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We've all been there. That moment when you invite young people to pray and all that follows is an awkward silence and a single tumbleweed!
Martin Saunders leads the Satellites festival alongside his role as Deputy Chief Executive of Youthscape He joined YS in 2013 because he is passionate about seeing young people connect with faith. For the last few years he has focussed on resourcing youth leaders through innovative resources and events, but now his work has broadened into developing a brand new summer event for teenagers which launched in August 2022. Before moving to Youthscape he was Editor of Youthwork magazine, and he carried on writing: you can find several of his books on the Youthscape store.
From the Archives: Following on from a discussion on a previous Unbelievable? Podcast Episode with Kristin Kobes du Mez, this episode digs into the question of whether Toxic Masculinity is an issue facing the church today? Kyle Thompson of men's ministry Undaunted Life says we need to champion biblical masculinity in a church that has become too feminised. Martin Saunders, author of ‘The Man You Were Made To Be' says we need to leave behind gender stereotypes and help young Christian men make sense of masculinity in today's world. Tell us what you think and get in touch with us on X @PremierUnbelievable_FE or write to us via our website: premierunbelievable.com Find out more: For Martin Saunders: https://www.youthscape.co.uk/store/product/the-man-youre-made-to-be For Kyle Thompson: https://www.undaunted.life • Subscribe to the Unbelievable? podcast: https://pod.link/267142101 • More shows, free eBook & newsletter: https://premierunbelievable.com • For live events: http://www.unbelievable.live • For online learning: https://www.premierunbelievable.com/courses • Support us in the USA: http://www.premierinsight.org/unbelievableshow • Support us in the rest of the world: https://www.premierunbelievable.com/donate
In this episode, I welcome back Dr. Martin Saunders and Maggie Moosvi from EdShed, to explore the link between foundational literacy skills and artificial intelligence. You'll hear insights into the distinctions between predictive AI and generative AI as well as how online tools can gamify and personalize student learning experiences. Show notes: https://classtechtips.com/2024/02/02/ai-in-teaching-literacy-bonus/ Sponsored by EdShed: https://www.edshed.com/ Follow EdShed on social: https://www.instagram.com/edshed_us/ Follow Monica on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/classtechtips/
Martin and Rachel are back again with a brand new series - Into God Knows What.This season of the podcast is all about looking ahead towards the future. In a world that feels uncertain and ever-changing how can we as practitioners help young people navigate paths that we haven't travelled ourselves? How do we chart out safe passage for ourselves, let alone those who are looking to us as we work with the teenagers around us? Come join us as we delve into the unknown, chat to experts and decipher and discern what this could mean for our youth work in this next season.Today we sit down with Dr. Gemma Madle as she brings her reflections and thoughts from the research she's been sifting through as part of the team at the Youthscape Centre for Research. If you want to explore some more of the wonderful research and work that the team are producing, head over to youthscape.co.uk/research
Buckle up for the last episode of this season where we've looked at some of the most difficult questions within youth ministry. Martin and Rachel are in the hot seat answering rather than asking the questions and we dive straight in!
Make sure you're sitting down as Martin and Rachel answer as many of the Tough Questions for Youth Ministry that we weren't able to get through during the rest of the season - in Martin's own words "like a highlight show, but you've never heard any of it before". Plus, we finally get to hear the whole of the 'hotel story'...
This week's guest is Alanzo Paul, part of the team at The Oxford Centre for Christian Apologetics. Martin sits down with him as they discuss how Alanzo came to faith, how to inspire young people to love the whole Bible as well as tackling the 'tough question' for this week, what do you do when parts of the Bible that reveal God's character appear to us to be inconsistent?Meanwhile back at Youthscape HQ, Rachel also tells her latest woes in a minibus debacle...
Rachel sits down with Reverend Alan Gault, youth-worker-turned-vicar in Blackburn as they pick apart Alan's journey to ordination and what it looks like to help prioritise youth work even when you're not the youth worker. Meanwhile Martin and Rachel discuss cold showers and the time Martin got a letter from the Dean of a theological college...
Rachel sits down with John Reynolds, content creator and current volunteer youth worker. John chats about his life, and some of the challenges he's faced and how he's adjusted to them while understanding where God has placed him. Meanwhile, Martin and Rachel dig into the wider narratives about young people today.
Rachel sits down with Youthscape's newest member of the team, Alice Smith. Alice has just joined from the team at Christians Against Poverty and discusses where youth ministry fits amongst the pressing needs of poverty in a community. Meanwhile, Martin and Rachel confess the parts of youth ministry that they're not very good at...
Today's guest is John Wheatley from the Frontier Youth Trust and Martin sat down with him to discuss an often hidden question of the socio-economic makeup of youth groups. Rachel and Martin also resurrect 'Dog Talk' and discuss youth groups that look like them...
This week, Martin sits down with Clare Williams from GET REAL and the Oxford Centre for Christian Apologetics. They take a deep dive into the difficulties that the arise when people have used the Bible for their own agendas and whether this causes any problems. Meanwhile Rachel and Martin talk about some of the trouble they have had trying to hire youth workers.
Martin chats to a familiar voice of the podcast for dedicated listeners - Charles Merritt. Together they look at the different disciplines of youth work and children's work and grapple with the similarities as well as the challenges of co-existing. Meanwhile, among the intros that will remain in the archive, Martin and Rachel talk about night-hikes, cheese easter eggs and the impact teachers have on us even as adults.
Martin sits down with the wonderful Linda Geevanathan, a long-time friend of Youthscape and local youth worker in Luton, as they chat about unity in the context of differing beliefs. Meanwhile, Rachel and Martin talk about April fools and times when pranks don't always go to plan...
Rachel sits down with Katie Madanat as they discuss what expectations youth leaders should expect around modesty and what their response should be in those difficult scenarios. Meanwhile, Martin and Rachel figure out the books that they wish they had written and we hear from another unsung hero of youth work.
Martin sits down with Robbie Thomson, Events Director for Satellites, to discuss the importance of making sure summer events have the right weighting in our youth ministry calendars, and how they fit into a wider understanding of discipleship. Rachel and Martin also talk about the newest purchase at Rachel's church, a flappy man...
Rachel sits down with Claire Banham as she shares some of the story of her journey to creating the Haven, a safe space for young people suffering from anxiety and how that started with walking her own teenage daughter through her anxiety. Martin and Rachel also tell us about how they've changed their youth work styles as they've grown up and an incident with starbucks earlier today...
Trigger Warning: This episode contains conversation about abortion.Martin sits down to Gareth Cheesman from Acet UK as they discuss a whole host of questions around relationship and sex education including, condoms, polyamory and what AI means for future tough questions we might want to be asking in youth ministry.
Rachel sits down with the wonderful Richard Passmore as they unpick ecclesiology and what church for young people could look like. Meanwhile, Martin and Rachel share their reflections on the recent events coming out of Asbury college in America.
Martin sits down with Director of South West Youth Ministries, Paul Friend, who has just come off a three month sabbatical to discuss something we all know is important, but often find is at the bottom of our to-do list: rest. They chat about what Paul has learned from his time on sabbatical and how do you manage to build in rest when there's never a clear and easy time to do it. Meanwhile Martin and Rach discuss their own barriers to rest and sabbath as well as an interesting documentary Rachel has just seen...
Martin sits down with Youthscape's own Alex Drew (for the second time), as they discuss training, volunteers and how to best set up other members of our youth teams to win. Rachel and Martin bond over their dread of becoming a 'challenging volunteer' and they troubleshoot some of each other's difficult situations.
Martin sits down with Ruth Jackson, former editor at Premier Youth and Children's Work magazine and current presenter and producer of Unbelievable? apologetics radio show and podcast. They discuss the relevance of apologetics in today's age and how you as a youth worker should respond to the challenging question of suffering. Meanwhile, Rachel and Martin update us on the latest exploits with their dogs, and Rachel pitches her new idea for something called "The Guilty Youth Worker".
In this episode, I'm joined by Dr. Martin Saunders, CEO of EdShed, along with Maggie Moosvi, Curriculum Director of EdShed, to hear from these former educators about the science of reading and the exciting ways technology can support effective spelling instruction in the classroom. Show notes: https://classtechtips.com/2023/01/29/spelling-technology-bonus/ Sponsored by EdShed: https://www.spellingshed.com/ Follow EdShed on Twitter: https://twitter.com/SpellingShed Follow Monica on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/classtechtips/
In this week's episode, Martin sits down to hear from Naomi Allen from Open Doors as they try and tackle a question that includes suffering and looks at doubt in the midst of leading young people. Rachel and Martin discuss the 'dark night of the soul' and Martin lets us know what strange request he received around a recent funeral.
Martin and Rachel kick off the new year with a new series where they delve into the tough questions of youth ministry. Sitting in the hot seat today is Matt Summerfield, author, church leader and chair of Youthscape's trustees. He shares stories from his time leading Urban Saints and Martin and Rachel share some of their 'Elephants in the Closet'.
In this final episode of the mini-series, Martin sits down with the Director of the Institute of Youth Ministry at Princeton Theological Seminary, Megan DeWald. They discuss the Forum, IYM's event, as well as what it looks like to help build long-lasting faith in young people in the run up to the National Youth Ministry Weekend.
Martin chats to Philip Jinadu, church leader of Woodlands Metro in Bristol and one of this year's National Youth Ministry Weekend contributors. They chat about long-term discipleship and look at how mentoring plays into that. Meanwhile, Rachel and Martin figure out who would win in an arm wrestle.
So what is the centre of your world? You, your family, friends, what you love? Satellites orbit around globe. In this excellent episode, Martin, from Youthscape and Director of Satellites (the festival) shares its real meaning. Seriously good. Enjoy.
TW: Abuse and traumaRachel and Martin sit down to chat to another of this years National Youth Ministry Weekend contributors: Amy Orr-Ewing. Amy shares the story of the Reboot event, and the vision to equip young people to address tough questions with their friends as well as some of the difficult season she's been through over the last few years.
Rachel and Martin are back in the new academic year with the first episode of a mini-series building up to the National Youth Ministry Weekend in November. They chat to Youthscape's CEO and one of the speakers of this years conference, Chris Curtis about the story of Youthscape and how we ended up with the this year's theme: Stronger - growing faith in young people.
ft Lahna Pottle Martin and Rachel get hung up on a very green coat and sit down with Lahna Pottle, youth and young adults pastor from Shoebury & Thorpe Bay Baptist Church, to delve into young people's relationship with social media and the world of technology, as well as what our role as those who work with young people looks like to model healthy practice.
Supporting young people as they begin to engage with and understand a subject is one of the most rewarding parts of being a teacher. The way students form their own identity as learners, it is argued, can have a profound impact on attainment and future prospects. But when it comes to science, with a curriculum full of abstract topics and historically lacking in diverse representation, how can teachers ensure that all students form a real connection to the subject? In this edition of the Tes podcast, senior editor Simon Lock meets two educators who are boosting engagement in science through developing a sense of learner identity. Genevieve Bent. Genevieve is Assistant Principal and former Head of Science who has a particularly interest in Diversity & Equity within STEM subjects. She is founder of Young Gifted and STEM, an initiative designed to improve the experiences and engagement of Black and Ethnic Minority young people with STEM subjects. Martin Saunders is Key Stage 3 Lead for the science department at Chichester High School. Over the past year, Martin has been working with Oxford University Press, trialling a new science curriculum with his year 7 and 8 classes. Listen to the episode to hear the conversations in full. This podcast is sponsored by Oxford Smart Activate, a newly-launched curriculum service for Key Stage 3 Science, published by Oxford University Press. Oxford Smart Activate gives you an evidence-based curriculum, and connects it with resources, assessment, next steps and professional development - powered by Kerboodle - enabling you to provide a personalised and adaptive pathway for each of your students. https://global.oup.com/education/content/secondary/series/smart-activate/?region=uk&utm_campaign=smart&utm_source=tes&utm_medium=display&utm_content=smart-activate&utm_team=sec (Find out more about Oxford Smart Activate)
Kyle Thompson of men's ministry Undaunted Life says we need to champion biblical masculinity in a church that is too feminised. Martin Saunders, author of 'The Man You Were Made To Be' says we need to leave behind gender stereotypes and help young Christian men make sense of masculinity in today's world. For Martin Saunders: https://www.youthscape.co.uk/store/product/the-man-youre-made-to-be For Kyle Thompson: https://www.undaunted.life --- For exclusive resources and to support us: • Register for Premier Unbelievable? Live: http://www.unbelievable.live • Confident Christianity apologetics course: http://www.premier.org.uk/getconfident • Support (USA): http://www.premierinsight.org/unbelievableshow • Support (rest of the world): https://resources.premier.org.uk/supportunbelievable • For our newsletter https://www.premier.org.uk/Unbelievablenewsletter • For our blog: http://www.premierinsight.org/unbelievable-the-blog • For the podcast: http://www.premierchristianradio.com/Shows/Saturday/Unbelievable • Facebook https://www.facebook.com/PremierUnbelievable • Twitter https://twitter.com/unbelievablejb • Insta https://www.instagram.com/justin.brierley
As if world wasn't in a weird enough place already, we drop an extra-special bonus episode of the podcast… The Youthscape / Limitless Leadership Podcast Crossover Special! That means Rachel Gardner, Martin Saunders and Tim Alford sit down to reflect on their lessons from the past two years in youth ministry, and for some good old fashioned banter. If you'd like to hear more from Rachel and Martin, go check out the Youthscape Podcast over at https://www.youthscape.co.uk/podcast Available on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and wherever else you listen. Enjoy!
In prominent atheist author Philip Pullman’s ‘The Good Man Jesus and the Scoundrel Christ’, he re-imagines the story of Jesus as the story of two twins - one called Jesus, the other Christ. It is the twin Christ who writes the history of Jesus, turning him into the God-man of the Gospels. Philip Pullman joins Justin Brierley to discuss whether we should believe the biblical stories of Jesus as historical fact or whether myth and invention are inevitable in the 2,000 year old Gospel accounts. Christian journalist Martin Saunders engages Pullman on his view of the Church and his scepticism of the miraculous, while Bible Scholar Anthony McRoy challenges Pullman's view that the Gospels are the product of the mythologising and interpretation of its historical core. He particularly takes issue with Pullman's recasting of the resurrection as a fabricated trick to create the foundation of the future church. For ‘The Good Man Jesus and the Scoundrel Christ’ see http://www.amazon.co.uk/Good-Jesus-Scoundrel-Christ-Myths/dp/1847678254 For Unbelievable? The Conference 2021 http://www.unbelievable.live USA listeners check out our new USA website for exclusive resources and to support us: http://www.unbelievable.show Subscribe to our newsletter and receive the free Unbelievable? e-book ‘In Conversation With…’ https://www.premier.org.uk/Unbelievablenewsletter Support the show: https://resources.premier.org.uk/supportunbelievable For more faith debates visit http://www.premierchristianradio.com/Shows/Saturday/Unbelievable Facebook https://www.facebook.com/UnbelievableJB Twitter https://twitter.com/unbelievablejb Insta https://www.instagram.com/justin.brierley
HOW DO WE DO YOUTH MINISTRY WHEN WE CAN’T MEET? The times they are a changing! We're learning youth ministry in a totally new paradigm with the outbreak of COVID-19... so how do we do youth ministry when we can't meet? Martin Saunders, the Deputy CEO at YouthScape and all-round youth ministry legend, shares his insight on a compelling episode of the Limitless Leadership Podcast. There are some really helpful tip for us here. In this episode we discuss… Innovative approaches to remote youth ministry Useful resources and technologies Safeguarding implications of youth online We hope this helps you to continue to serve young people where you are. Together we can find a way.
Long-time listeners of the Premier Christianity podcast will no doubt have fond memories of our former cultural commentator and all-round funny guy Martin Saunders. Well, he’s back this week with a brand new book The Man You’re Made To Be (SPCK). In this episode, Martin talks to Sam Hailes about banter, Twitter, mental health, Jesus, (not) watching women’s football and the Swedish method of Bible reading.
Youthscape’s Martin Saunders speaks to Ruth Jackson about his journey to faith and into youth work. He discusses important questions around gender, sex and identity and shares some thoughts about his new book The Man You’re Made to Be.
Martin Saunders has been running his business Property Point for five years. In that time, he's worked on about 20 different projects in Southend-on-Sea, Essex.
In a post-Brexit Britain, the real estate industry needs to embrace innovation in order to retain talent, improve our cities and keep the UK at the forefront of the business world. Tim Lowe, managing director, Lowe Guardians; Melanie Williams, partner, DWF; Jason Hawthorne, director, VuCity; Martyn Evans, creative director, U+I; and Martin Saunders, director, Avison Young talk about the future.
The "Ideas Machine Gun" visited YSHQ for a chat with Martin Saunders. Expect new ideas, thoughts on church, youth, resources and more, as well as some searingly honest conversation about when things don't go as well as you'd hoped.
Soul Survivor will be stopping their summer festivals after 2019. To help us process this massive news, we spoke to Youthscape’s Martin Saunders.
Recorded at the National Youth Ministry Weekend with a real-live audience, this episode features thought provoking discussion on male identity, gangs and purpose with Naomi Allen, Mike Royal and Nathan Dennis, with bonus extra interview with Alia Pike. Hosted by Martin Saunders and Cat Deeley.
In this week's episode, Alan, Greg and Scott talk about the reaction to Mark Driscoll's return to public ministry and his platform on the Patheos blog. The news has provoked a variety of responses (both positive and negative) but the lads focus on Martin Saunders' passionate article in Christian Today and explore what it teaches us about ministry, leadership, redemption and starting over. Listen on iTunes: https://goo.gl/hRnE2o Read the article: goo.gl/bSRFR6 Listen on Stitcher: http://goo.gl/ItvSN5 Follow the Graveyard Shift on Twitter: https://goo.gl/Ea8GxZ Support the Show on Patreon: https://goo.gl/BOSFEx Buy Graveyard Shift T-Shirts & Merchandise: goo.gl/GihkVr
This month we have a returning guest! The Youthscape Deputy Chief Executive, Martin Saunders. Martin has wide experience of developing resources and materials for youth work and is the author of over ten books including Youthwork from Scratch. He worked previously as the Editor of the UK’s largest national youth work magazine Youthwork and writes and speaks widely on creative resource development, innovation and youth culture. His current work within the organisation focuses on the creative development process for new resources and materials. So it was only right that we asked him about Youthscape's Innovation process. This is amazing. Grab something to take notes and enjoy!
Tim and I sit down and chat with Martin Saunders of Youthscape. Martin is the author of a very important resource in Youth Work called Beautiful Disciplines. It only seemed right that we talk to Martin about Spiritual Disciplines within Youth Ministry. This is a really insightful and important episode. Enjoy!!!!
Martin Saunders and Rachel Gardner introduce the brand new Youthscape podcast and give you a taste of all that’s to come. Subscribe now on iTunes.
To celebrate Premier Youthwork’s 25th Birthday, Jamie Cutteridge is joined by founding editor John Buckeridge and former editor Martin Saunders to discuss youth work past, present and future.
Justin, Malky, Lucinda and newest team member Sam Hailes have a wander through the latest magazine. They respond to the response over David Cameron’s article for the magazine, hear Archbishop Justin Welby’s evangelism anecdotes and reflect on Martin Saunders’ final column after 5 years at the helm of our Culture section. Read the May edition of Premier Christianity http://www.premierchristianity.com/Past-Issues/2015/May-2015 More news, features, blogs and a FREE copy of Premier Christianity Magazine http://www.premierchristianity.com/freesample
Justin, Malky and Joy are joined by Martin Saunders to discuss the December edition (but mainly to talk about their other favourite podcast Serial).
Featuring: Justin Brierley, Martin Saunders, Malky Currie and Lucinda Vanderhart Details: Justin and the team reflect on the moving interview we had with Rick Warren following his son's tragic suicide. We talk about ethical fashion & how churches can use World Cup fever to engage their community. Plus a whopping mailbag of feedback to the Steve Chalke and EA split. More news, features, blogs and a FREE copy of Premier Christianity Magazine at the ALL NEW website here! Subscribe to the Premier Christianity Magazine Podcast on iTunes
"The Good Man Jesus and the Scoundrel Christ" is the latest book from the pen of prominent atheist author Philip Pullman. It re-imagines the story of Jesus as the story of two twins - one called Jesus, the other Christ. It is the twin Christ who writes the history of Jesus, turning him into the God-man of the Gospels. Philip Pullman joins Justin Brierley to discuss whether we should believe the Biblical stories of Jesus as historical fact or whether myth and invention are inevitable in the 2000 year old Gospel accounts. Christian journalist Martin Saunders engages Pullman on his view of the Church and his scepticism of the miraculous while Bible Scholar Anthony McRoy challenges Pullman's view that the Gospels are the product of the mythologising and interpretation of its historical core. He particularly takes issue with Pullman's recasting of the resurrection as a fabricated trick to create the foundation of the future church. For "The book of Good Man Jesus and the Scoundrel Christ" see http://www.amazon.co.uk/Good-Jesus-Scoundrel-Christ-Myths/dp/1847678254 For a further debate between Philip Pullman and Rt Revd Lord Richard Harries courtesy of English Pen go to http://www.premierradio.org.uk/shows/saturday/unbelievable/features.aspx For Philip Pullman see http://www.philip-pullman.com/ Martin Saunders is a contributor to Christianity Magazine and reviews the book in their June edition http://www.christianitymagazine.co.uk/ For Anthony McRoy on the historical Jesus see http://www.bethinking.org/bible-jesus/introductory/debunking-channel-4s-conspiracy-theory.htm If you enjoyed this programme you may also enjoy: Unbelievable? 3 Jan 2009 Bart Ehrman & Peter Williams - "Misquoting Jesus: Do we have the original writings of the New Testament?" Unbelievable? 29 Aug 2009 - and the Eyewitnesses part 1 : Richard Bauckham and James Crossley Unbelievable? 6 Sep 2008 Christianity on trial pt 1: Can I trust the Bible? Atheist lawyer Ed Turner vs Theologian Andy Bannister Jon the discussion at the Premier Community http://www.premiercommunity.org.uk/group/unbelievable
BOOK NOW: The Reasonable Faith Tour with William Lane Craig 17-26 October 2011 http://www.premier.org.uk/craig Peter S Williams is a Christian philosopher and apologist. His latest book Understanding Jesus brings together lines of evidence for a philosophical, historical and theological understanding of Jesus. He takes listener calls on questions such as "How can Jesus be both God and man?" "Is there any evidence that Christians really have a 'relationship' with Jesus?" & "Was Jesus a failed apocalyptic prophet?" For Peter S Williams http://www.arn.org/authors/williams.html For 'Understanding Jesus' http://idpluspeterswilliams.blogspot.com/2011/05/pre-order-understanding-jesus-five-ways.html For more Christian/non-Christian debate visit http://www.premier.org.uk/unbelievable or get the MP3 podcast http://ondemand.premier.org.uk/unbelievable/AudioFeed.aspx or Via Itunes You may also enjoy: Unbelievable? 8 May 2010 - "The Good Man Jesus and the Scoundrel Christ" Philip Pullman, Martin Saunders and Bible Scholar Anthony McRoy. Unbelievable? 31 Oct 2009 - Preterist, Dispensational and Liberal views of The return of Jesus. Did Jesus get it wrong in Matthew 24? - Dee Warren, Terry Boyle & Andrew Whyte. Join the discussion at the Premier Community http://www.premiercommunity.org.uk/group/unbelievable and via Facebook and Twitter
Francis Spufford is a prize-winning author who returned to faith as an adult after years as an atheist. His latest book is "Unapologetic: Why despite everything Christianity can still make surprising emotional sense". He says he didn't write it to try to give an objective argument for Christianity, but to show why its concepts, doctrines and beliefs help those who believe it make emotional sense of the world. He chats with renowned author Philip Pullman who is an atheist. They talk about new atheism, the atheist bus campaign, the concept of sin, the person of Jesus and more. For Unapologetic http://www.amazon.co.uk/Unapologetic-everything-Christianity-surprising-emotional/dp/0571225217 For Philip Pullman http://www.philip-pullman.com/ For more Christian/non-Christian debate visit http://www.premier.org.uk/unbelievable or get the MP3 podcast http://ondemand.premier.org.uk/unbelievable/AudioFeed.aspx or Via Itunes You may also enjoy: Unbelievable? 8 May 2010 - "The Good Man Jesus and the Scoundrel Christ" This is the latest book from the pen of prominent atheist author Philip Pullman. With Christian journalist Martin Saunders and Bible Scholar Anthony McRoy. Unbelievable? 12th March 2011 - Music & God Christian David Robertson and atheist musician Gordon Livesey discuss whether music can have soul if you don't believe in the soul. Join the conversation: http://www.premiercommunity.org.uk/group/unbelievable and via Facebook and Twitter
Sir David Attenborough and his cameraman Martin Saunders recall their encounter with the gorillas of Rwanda while filming the 1979 BBC TV series Life on Earth. As recalled in The Reunion on BBC Radio 4.