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In the third episode, I am joined by Professor Carolyn Cocca as we discuss the 2011 novel The Song of Achilles by Madeline Miller. Is the love affair between Achilles ("Best of Greeks") and Patroclus ("Best of the Myrmidons") realistic? Listen and find out! Subscribe on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/dear-reader-a-jane-eyre-podcast/id1585429797 Don't use iTunes? Use this link for your podcast catcher: https://feeds.feedburner.com/dear-reader-podcast Also available on Spotify, Amazon Music and Google Podcasts Follow DEAR READER on TWITTER: https://twitter.com/batgirltooracle Put down your comics, pick up your first editions, and subscribe to DEAR READER!

Agamemnon is a family man. It's just a shame that family is also the answer to who needs to be put up on an altar. As the Greeks are loitering at Aulis before setting off for Troy, we watch the goddess Artemis announce that Iphigenia needs to sacrificed in order to placate her anger... Sources for this episode:  Antoninus Liberalis (1992), The Metamorphoses of Antoninus Liberalis. Translated by F. Celoria. London and New York: Routledge. Euripides (1910), The Plays of Euripides in English in 2 Volumes (Volume 1). Translated by Shelley Dean Milman, Potter and Woodhull. London and New York: J. M. Dent & Sons Ltd. and E. P. Dutton & Co. Evelyn-White, H. G. (1943), Hesiod: The Homeric Hymns and Homerica. London: William Heinemann Ltd. Frazer, J. G. (1921), Apollodorus: The Library (Volume II). London: William Heinemann. Hyginus (1872), Fabulae. Edited by M. Schmidt. Jenae: Hermann Dufft. Lucretius (1921), On the Nature of Things. Translated by W. E. Leonard. London, Toronto and New York: J. M. Dent & Sons Ltd. and E. P. Dutton & Co. Author unknown, Wikipedia (date unknown), Myrmidons (online) (Accessed 07/12/2024). Author unknown, Wikipedia (date unknown), Snake Island (Ukraine) (online) (Accessed 07/12/2024).

Dcn. Harrison Garlick and Adam Minihan discuss Book 23 of the Iliad: The Funeral Games. Check out this section of our guide to the Iliad!Sleeping, Achilles? You've forgotten me, my friend. You never neglected me in life, only now in death. Bury me, quickly—let me pass the Gates of Hades. Patroclus (23.81) 100. What happened in book twenty-three?Now back at the Achaean camp, Achilles leads his Myrmidons in mourning around the body of Patroclus (23.13). That night, as Achilles lay by the shoreline, the ghost of Patroclus appears to him (23.76). Patroclus states: “Sleeping Achilles? You've forgotten me, my friend… bury me, quickly—let me pass the gates of Hades” (23.81). For as Patroclus further explains, he is not permitted to cross the river Styx until he has received his funeral rites (23.86).[1] Finally, Patroclus requests that his bones and the bones of Achilles be placed in a single urn and buried together (23.100). The next morning, Achilles has a pyre built for Patroclus (23.188). Achilles slaughters sheep, cattle, stallions, and two of Patroclus' dogs and places them all on the pyre with Patroclus (23.190). He then slaughters a dozen young Trojans, as sacrifices to lay alongside Patroclus on his pyre (23.200). The pyre is lit and, after praying to two of the gods of the winds, it burns well (23.221). Meanwhile, Homer tells us that Apollo and Aphrodite are protecting the body of Hector from harm and decay (23.212).Achilles tends to the pyre all night until “sleep overwhelms him” (23.265). Achilles awakes and tells the Achaeans to gather the bones of Patroclus and place them into a golden urn; then, the urn will be placed in a small barrow until Achilles dies, then a large barrow will be built for the two of them (23.281). Achilles then announces there will be “funeral games” (23.298), which will consist of a chariot race, boxing, wrestling, a footrace, a duel in battle gear, shot put, archery, and spear throwing. The culture of competition demonstrated in these funeral games would eventually give rise to the Olympics.[2] 101. Who won the funeral games?The winners of the chariot race were in order: Diomedes, Antilochus, Menelaus, Meriones, and Eumelus (23.572). Eumelus received a consolation prize from Achilles (23.621). Menelaus accuses Antilochus of a foul, Antilochus concedes to him; yet Menelaus' anger relents, and the Spartan king gives the second prize, the mare, back to Antilochus (23.680). Achilles gives the original fifth place prize to Nestor as a reminder of Patroclus (23.689). Epeus defeats Euryalus in a boxing match (23.769). Giant Ajax and Odysseus wrestle to a stalemate (23.818). Odysseus, with the help of Athena, wins the footrace (23.864). In the duel in battle gear, Giant Ajax goes against Diomedes, but the friends of Giant Ajax call for it to stop (23.913). Achilles then awards a sword to Diomedes as the winner (23.915). In shot put, Polypoetes takes the prize (23.939). Meriones, with the blessing of Apollo, defeats Teucer in archery (23.977). Lastly, Agamemnon wins the spear throwing contest by default due to his station as the high king (23.989). 102. What else should we observe in book twenty-three? The apparition of Patroclus reveals the religious understanding that a body denied its funeral rites...

The Back To The Blockbuster team looks back at the epic historical war film, Troy, for its 20th anniversary. Directed by Wolfgang Petersen and written by David Benioff, the film is loosely based on Homer's Iliad in its narration of the entire story of the decade-long Trojan War. Starring Brad Pitt, Eric Bana, Orlando Bloom, Sean Bean, Brian Cox, Brendan Gleeson, Diane Kruger, and Peter O'Toole, follows Achilles as he leads his Myrmidons along with the rest of the Greek army invading the historical city of Troy, defended by Hector's Trojan Army. The team then wraps things up with box office results for Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes and box office predictions for The Strangers: Chapter 1.

The Back To The Blockbuster team looks back at the epic historical war film, Troy, for its 20th anniversary. Directed by Wolfgang Petersen and written by David Benioff, the film is loosely based on Homer's Iliad in its narration of the entire story of the decade-long Trojan War. Starring Brad Pitt, Eric Bana, Orlando Bloom, Sean Bean, Brian Cox, Brendan Gleeson, Diane Kruger, and Peter O'Toole, follows Achilles as he leads his Myrmidons along with the rest of the Greek army invading the historical city of Troy, defended by Hector's Trojan Army. The team then wraps things up with box office results for Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes and box office predictions for The Strangers: Chapter 1.

Join Dom, Q, and ILL on Say What's Reel as they dissect the epic film 'Troy' (2004). From legendary battles to timeless drama, they share their thoughts on this iconic portrayal of the Trojan War. Tune in for their take on this cinematic masterpiece.Troy is a 2004 epic historical war film directed by Wolfgang Petersen and written by David Benioff. Produced by units in Malta, Mexico and Britain's Shepperton Studios, the film features an ensemble cast led by Brad Pitt, Eric Bana, Sean Bean, Brian Cox, Brendan Gleeson and Orlando Bloom. It is loosely based[3] on Homer's Iliad in its narration of the entire story of the decade-long Trojan War—condensed into little more than a couple of weeks, rather than just the quarrel between Achilles and Agamemnon in the ninth year. Achilles leads his Myrmidons along with the rest of the Greek army invading the historical city of Troy, defended by Hector's Trojan army. The end of the film (the sack of Troy) is not taken from the Iliad, but rather from Quintus Smyrnaeus's Posthomerica, as the Iliad concludes with Hector's death and funeral.Find the Say Whats Reel CrewSay Whats Reel Socials - https://linktr.ee/rmhproductionsDOM CRUZE Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/itzdomw/Q Twitter: https://twitter.com/King_QuisemoeInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/king_quisemoe/iLL - https://twitter.com/illest_thrillerWe hope you enjoyed the video and the content we put out here at Say Whats Reel Thank you for watching!"Join Dom Q and ILL on Say What's Reel as they dive into the dark, gothic world of the 1994 cult classic, The Crow. Explore the film's haunting visuals, unforgettable soundtrack, and the legendary performance by Brandon Lee. Is revenge truly eternal? Tune in to find out!"

William and Brian are breaking down a set of creatures that are proficient as militant combatants with their raw elemental strength and destructive problem solving skills. The Elemental Myrmidons will have players thinking twice before engaging in combat against these specialized foes. Find out how you can get them on your side instead this week on The Dungeoncast! This episode's Creator's Corner feature Writer David Simoes, author of the 5E campaign book Deicide and supplemental campaign book Tyranny of Dragons: Reloaded with all proceeds donated to Doctor's Without Borders. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Dcn. Harrison Garlick and Adam Minihan discuss Book 16 of the Iliad: Patroclus Fights and Dies. Summary of Book 16What is the difference between Zeus and Fate?What is the relation of Fate to the free will of men?Did Patroclus deserve his fate?Check our GUIDE ON THE ILIAD. 70. What happens in books sixteen? Patroclus returns to Achilles and begs Achilles to send him out to fight in Achilles' armor (16.43). Homer writes: “So [Patroclus] pleaded, lost in his own great innocence, condemned to beg for his own death and brutal doom” (16.53). Achilles comes to understand his rage cannot last forever, but he recalls his promise not to fight until the “cries and carnage reached” his own ships (16.72). Thus, Achilles agrees and sends Patroclus with his armor and the Myrmidons to fight (16.74). However, Achilles tells Patroclus to only fight the Trojans off the Argive ships and not to pursue them back to Troy, because that may diminish his glory, the fame of Achilles (16.105). Homer notably invokes the Muses to help him sing about the burning of the Achaean ships (16.135). Ajax is unable to stop Hector and his men from setting the ship ablaze, and Achilles sees the flames and sends out Patroclus with the Myrmidons (16.151). The Trojan columns “buckle” upon seeing Patroclus who they believe is Achilles (16.328), as Patroclus bears all of Achilles' war gear save his spear (16.168); thus, Patroclus and the Argives set upon the Trojans like “ravenous wolves” upon lambs (16.415). Sarpedon, son of Zeus, is slain by Patroclus (16.570), and Glaucus, strengthened by Apollo, rallies his fellow Trojans to secure Sarpedon's body (16.631). Similarly, Patroclus rallies Ajax and the Argives to the body of Sarpedon, the first to storm the Argive wall (16.653), to “mutilate him, shame him, [and] tear his gear from his back” (16.653). Thus, the body of Sarpedon, son of Zeus, becomes lost under the “mass of weapons, blood, and dust” (16.743). Zeus makes Hector a coward, and the Trojan prince calls for a retreat (16.763). The Achaeans win the body of Sarpedon, but Zeus sends Apollo to rescue the body before it can be mutilated (16.777). Patroclus, not heeding the command of Achilles, pushes his assault onward toward Troy (16.803). Apollo repels Patroclus' assaults on Troy and warns the warrior that it is “not the will of fate” that Troy falls to him (16.826). Though Apollo strengthens Hector (16.840), Patroclus still presses forward but Apollo sneaks behind him and slams Patroclus to the ground with a slap across the back (16.920). Disoriented, Patroclus is then stabbed in the back by Euphorbus, a Trojan (16.938), who then retreats. Hector then runs forward and spears Patroclus in the gut—the “brazen point went jutting straight out through Patroclus' back” (16.967). Hector taunts the dying Patroclus (16.967), and Patroclus dies prophesying that Hector will die soon (16.998).[1] The last word of Patroclus is “Achilles” (16.1000). 71. What do we observe about Zeus and the nameless fate in book sixteen? We see Zeus lament his “cruel fate” in his son, Sarpedon, having to die to bring about the death of Patroclus (16.514). Knox holds this shows the “will of Zeus is thwarted by fate.”[2] He writes that the “will of Zeus” and this “nameless destiny”...

Deacon Harrison Garlick and Adam Minihan sit down to talk about Book 11 of the Iliad, Agamemnon's Day of Glory.In this episode we will discuss:What happens in Book 11?What should be noted about Patroclus?What should be noted about Peleus' command to Patroclus?What else should be observed in book 11?Want our whole guide to The Iliad? Download it for free.Achilles will listen to you—for his own good. So the old man told you. You've forgotten. - Nestor to Patroclus (11.943)55. What happens in book eleven?Dawn has finally arisen from her bed (11.01). To welcome the new day, Zeus sends the goddess Strife to the Achaean camp (11.03), and the goddess releases a “high-pitched cry, great and terrible” that drives the Achaeans “mad for war and struggle” (11.14). Agamemnon rallies the Achaeans and Hector the Trojans, as Zeus rains blood from the sky (11.62) and Strife continues her “wild groans” (11.84). Following Diomedes advice to fight on the front lines (9.865), Agamemnon leads the Argives on a bloody warpath against the Trojans (11.107). Agamemnon slaughters his enemies—including one Trojan who Agamemnon cuts off his head and arms and, as Homer says, sends him “rolling through the carnage like a log” (11.170). Zeus sends Iris to tell Hector to stay off the front lines and command his men from the back until Agamemnon is wounded—then Zeus will bless Hector to lead a counteroffensive all the way back to the Achaean ships (11.217). After Agamemnon is wounded and retreats (11.310), Hector pushes the Achaeans all the way back to their rampart (11.330). One by one the Achaean warlords—Diomedes (11.443), Odysseus (11.515), and Machaon the healer (11.598)—are all injured and retreat. Great Ajax desires to hold his ground but is forced to retreat by Zeus (11.638). Still by his ship, Achilles watches the onslaught and tells Patroclus he thinks the Achaeans are ready to “grovel at his knees” (11.719). Achilles sends Patroclus to Nestor for advice (11.722), and Nestor tells Patroclus that Achilles should at least let Patroclus lead the Myrmidons into battle wearing Achilles' armor (11.951). Patroclus leaves to return to Achilles but stops to assist an Achaean suffering from an arrow wound (11.1001). The book ends with Patroclus caring for his fellow solider, and the foretold “doom of Zeus” about the body of Patroclus inches closer (8.551).56. What else should be noted about Patroclus?Of important note is how Patroclus speaks of Achilles to Nestor (11.773). He states that Achilles is a “great and terrible man” and would “leap to accuse a friend without fault” (11.774). It is not the language one would expect from Patroclus, the “great friend” of Achilles (Question 49). We are told that Nestor was part of the group of Achaeans who went to the house of Peleus seeking recruits for the Trojan war (11.916). Peleus tells his son, Achilles, to “always be the best, my boy, the bravest, and hold your head up high above the others,” which is the exact same advice given the Glacus by his father except it lacks the exhortation to “never disgrace the generation of your fathers” (6.247). Whether Homer is inviting a comparison here is a matter of some discussion. We should note well Peleus' command to Patroclus to counsel Achilles, and that Achilles will listen to him (11.940). Amongst all the rage of Achilles, we have little evidence of Patroclus playing the role of counselor or attempting to diffuse the situation. Nestor critiques Patroclus that he has forgotten his role as counselor to Achilles (11.943). One...

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The myth of Cygnus and Achilles is a story of war, violence, and revenge. It is also a story of love, loss, and redemption. The moral and ethical implications of the story are complex and can be interpreted in many ways. In the story, Cygnus is a Trojan prince who is invulnerable to harm. He is the son of Poseidon, the god of the sea. Achilles is a Greek warrior who is also invulnerable to harm. He is the son of Peleus, the king of the Myrmidons, and Thetis, a sea nymph. The two men meet in battle and fight to the death. Achilles is unable to kill Cygnus with his weapons, so he strangles him with his helmet strap. Poseidon, who is watching the battle, is furious. He transforms Cygnus into a swan and carries him away to the sea. The myth of Cygnus and Achilles can be interpreted in many ways. Some see it as a story of the futility of war. Others see it as a story of the power of love and the importance of forgiveness. Still others see it as a story about the dangers of revenge. The myth of Cygnus and Achilles can be applied to both classical antiquity and our modern world. In classical antiquity, the story was used to teach lessons about the dangers of war and the importance of forgiveness. In our modern world, the story can be used to teach lessons about the importance of peace and non-violence. The myth of Cygnus and Achilles is a powerful story that has been told and retold for centuries. It is a story that can teach us about the human condition and the importance of love, forgiveness, and peace. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/liam-connerly/support

I was watching some Television over the weekend when I came to a realization that for some reason, had never completely struck me before. As you know, I love me some history, and the program I was watching dealt with one of the most evil figures in history, involved in one of the darkest moments in history. But what struck me wasn't how terribly monstrous this fellow had been (he's dead now). It wasn't his hatred or his senseless belief in a twisted and delusional ideology. The truth that I finally realized was simply this: as bad as this leader had been, it was impossible for him to even try to accomplish his goals without people – lost to history – who were willing to carry out his directives. But those orders don't happen unless there were thousands upon thousands who both agreed with him and who were willing to actually carry out the actions that had been directed. I was… well… confused over the weekend by the actions of President Trump and his dinner companions. I get it, I am a free speech radical. For whatever it's worth, I personally believe that Kanye West is a performer and a brand. There is very little substance there and his words are generally designed to attract attention. You know what I say… attention whores gonna attention whore. It's what they do. But the other fellow at the dinner strikes me as one of those thousands upon thousands of people who would have read the memo's put out by Heydrich and taken them to heart. Does he have a right to spew his anti-Jewish hatred? Yes. Do I have the right to call him a foul Nazi worshipping myrmidon who would have willingly followed Hitler to the death (and may yet)? You bet'cha… But name calling isn't going to accomplish anything, is it? Neither will 140 character Tweets or soon-to-be-banned Facebook posts. Nor does it mean that the former President should be above critique for the having the meeting in the first place. It's not like he didn't KNOW who these folks are. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/plausibly-live/message

This episode explores the essay written by Dr. Casey Due Hackney where she discusses the "mother bird" simile in relation to Achilles and the book Achilles in Vietnam by Dr. Jonathan Shay. The relationship between Achilles and Patroclus (Patrokles) is also discussed.

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Summary:Anjelica, The Provost, and Thad Bannon confront Patroclus and the Myrmidons.Written and edited by Omar K. MillsExecutive Producers: Ski-ter Jones, Omar K. Mills

Summary:Kreyvex, Lyssa, Kumara, and the Myrmidons protect the royal city from an invading army.Written and edited by Omar K. MillsExecutive Producers: Ski-ter Jones, Omar K. Mills

Achilles is one of the most popular characters from Greek mythology and literature who has been immortalised with numerous references in modern culture. The legend of the Trojan War centres on the heroic leader of this Myrmidons who was unbeatable in battle, and only the intervention of Apollo ended his reign.During the Trojan War, he is known for killing the Trojan prince, Hector. Although his exact execution is not mentioned in the Iliad, other sources claim that Achilles was killed by Paris. In his later works, such as Achilleid, which was written in the 1st century AD, it is believed that he was invulnerable to all of his body's forces due to his mother's holding him by one of his heels as an infant.Read more about Achilles at https://mythlok.com/achilles/

Summary:After failing to defeat the Trojans and losing Achilles, the Myrmidons must decide on new leadership.Written and edited by Omar K. MillsExecutive Producers: Ski-ter Jones, Omar K. Mills

I think we live in a time of horrible leadership. Just across the board. Everybody in power seems to be frighteningly old and since the last 40 or so years have been so easy, none of the people in charge of anything have dealt with a real crisis. Or had to build anything. They tear down, they criticize, they pass the buck and grift their way through, with seemingly no awareness that the stakes might be real and far more important than any one person's advantage. Many of the characters in How to Succeed in Evil are predicated on this kind of idea. People have great potential and power, but they are stupid about using it. Even stupid about doing the wrong things with it. As I returned to How to Succeed in Evil, I consciously tried to turn away from current events. These stories are meant to be an escape and enjoyment, rather than any ill-advised attempt to reform anything about the world. Because entertainment is a noble thing in its own right. Everybody needs a break. But here we are. Perhaps it's an unavoidable theme in this moment. I can't even read ancient books without running into it.BUT FIRST, A THEORY OF CONSCIOUSNESS?The craziest book I've read in the last year is The Origins of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind by Julian Jaynes. And he argues that before some point, the executive functions of our brain were opaque to us -- and appeared to us as voices or gods commanding us to act.And this was because (loosely speaking) the left side of the brain tends to deal with routine situations and the right side of the brain deals with more novel situations. And if there's a wall between them -- if they are in separate chambers as the term bicameral literally means, then when faced with something novel, the only way the right side of the brain could get through to us in waking hours, was a hallucination. And Jaynes makes the argument that this is how it worked and very much the way schizophrenics and people with specific kinds of brain damage experience the world today. None of these claims are nuts to me. At one point we, as a species didn't have consciousness -- we weren't aware we were going to die and of the problems that created for us on multiple levels and on multiple time frames -- and at some point, we woke up. But here's where it becomes audacious. Jaynes claims that you can see this split in ancient literature. Running like a fault line into works that are before consciousness and works that are after. Before this split, there was no interior sense of self, consciousness, or agency in the way we'd think of it. No lying or deception. The Epic of Gilgamesh is totally like this. And after this split, people are conflicted. They become liars and aware that other people can be liars. And the nice thing about this theory is that it explains, in the Iliad, why the Gods are the primary motive forces. The book -- more properly, a poem -- doesn't have men and women reflecting on events and deciding what to do, but gods and goddesses visiting them and making decisions for them. I'll provide some examples in a moment. This leads to all kinds of crazy lines of thought. Because without intent, is ever killing in the Iliad a kind of 2nd-degree murder. There can't be premeditation because there's no meditation. You know, if you don't look at the Trojan war as war in the story, which it absolutely is. But here's the crazy part -- Jaynes argues that this fault line of consciousness runs right between the Iliad and the Odyssey. This is a crazy idea and I love it. And he seems to make a pretty good case for it. But to really evaluate it I think you have to be an expert in Ancient Greek, neuroscience, psychology, and consciousness. And people like that are very scarce on the ground. Especially because we know effectively nothing about consciousness. But as a writer, I don't care if it's true. I care if it's USEFUL. If it's productive of more ideas. If I can use this theory as a lens to increase my understanding. And oh boy, does it ever. As I came back to How to Succeed in Evil, I was more conscious than ever that characters can be representations of different aspects of the psyche. This started off pretty obviously in How to Succeed in Evil. Sloppily speaking, Topper is the Id. Agnes is the Ego. Edwin is the Superego. At least in the original book. Part of my challenge for writing more was to add depth and challenge to these characters. So I decided to re-read the Iliad through the lens of each character being an aspect of personality. And also to see how well Jaynes' theory fits the story from my, admittedly, uninformed perspective. When I did, something amazing happened. And it illustrates the rewards of giving time and attention to great literature. Let me show you:In my memory, the Iliad is the story of Achilles' anger. I mean, it's certainly a war story. But that's the external plot. But what makes a story powerful is the internal story. A contemporary and simple example of this is Jaws. The external story is that the sheriff must defeat the shark to keep the town safe. The internal story is that the sheriff must defeat his fear of the water. And that's what makes him heroic in our eyes. And the reason it's easy to think of the Iliad as the story of Achilles' rage is that's the way it starts. The first chapter is entitled "The Rage of Achilles" and the first line -- the traditional invocation of the muse is > Rage goddess, sing the rage of Peleus' son Achilles, murderous, doomed, that cost the Achaeans countless losses, hurling down to the house of death so many sturdy souls.Okay, so, cautionary tale about the destructive perils of rage. That's a theme that's never going to go out of style. But, why is he so angry? He's angry because Agamemnon, the leader of the Greeks, is a worthless leader. > Many a brave soul did it (Achilles' anger) send hurrying down to Hades, and many a hero did it yield a prey to dogs and vultures, for so were the counsels of Jove fulfilled from the day on which the son of Atreus, king of men, and great Achilles, first fell out with one another. Even in the explanation, Jove -- Zeus -- Jupiter -- is the force driving the whole thing. Son of Atreus king of Men is Agamemnon. So, at the beginning of the story, which starts in the middle of the war, a plague has descended upon the camp. People are dropping like flies. Homer represents this as the god Apollo striking them down with his arrows. > He cut them down in droves and the corpse-fires burned on, night and day, no end in sight. This goes on for nine days. And finally, Achilles can't take it anymore. He calls together the men and says, we're going to lose the war if this keeps up. But before we give up, we should ask a priest. So they do. And, reluctantly, because the priest is well aware of what a jackass Agamemnon is, he tells them that Apollo is unhappy because Agamemnon won't give up a girl he's taken as a slave. But if he gives the girl back to her father, the plague will stop. So, what does Agamemnon do? What would you do? I mean besides not trying to sack Troy or taking a girl as a slave in the first place. As a good leader, what would you do? I'd said, "Great. Here's the girl. Spare my men." This concern for the troops is what motivates Achilles to go to the priest. Right? It's the most important thing. Everybody can see that. Except for Agamemnon who goes off on the priest.Seer of misery! Never a word that works to my advantage! Always misery warms your heart, your prophecies -- never a word of profit said or brought to pass.Now, again you divine god's will for the armies,bruit it about, as fact, why the deadly Archermultiplies our pains: because I, I refusedthat glittering price for the young girl ChryseisIndeed I prefer her by far, the girl herself,I want her mine in my own house! I rank her higher than Clytemnestra, my wedded wife -- she's nothing lessin build or breeding, in mind or works of hand.Now don't get distracted by the fact that the name Clytemnestra sounds like a cross between a venereal disease and a banned food additive. Stay with Agamemnon. Notice how he is bitter, petty, and all about him. And he takes eleven lines before he gets to the most important thing. But I am willing to give her back, even so, if that is best for all. What I really wantis to keep my people safe, not see them dying.The Iliad is manifestly the wrong book for not seeing people dying. And clearly, _he_ could have asked the priest what was up. But he didn't. But here's the telling point. But fetch me another prize, and straight off too, else I alone of the Argives go without my honor. That would be disgrace. You are all witness, look -- my prize is snatched away. Which isn't even correct in the story. Because the girl's father came to buy his daughter back from Agamemnon. The dude is just being arrogant and prideful. And there's a word for that in Ancient Greek. Hubris. So anyway, because Achilles stands up to him, Agamemnon takes Achilles' slave girl. At that moment Achilles goes for his sword, but Athena appears to him -- a hallucination of the executive function of the brain stepping in as per our theory -- and convinces him not to fight Agamemnon. But he's so upset about the loss of his slave girl that he decides to go on strike and sit out the war. And he takes the best troops with him. Because of bad leadership, the most competent warrior refuses to fight. In essence, he resigns. Does any of this seem at all familiar or at least analogous? Now, you could say that Agamemnon is just having a bad day. Or a bad moment. Or maybe he just doesn't get along with Achilles, who we can also see as a kind of prima-donna. In book 11 -- Agamemnon's Day of Glory -- he rides out and cuts people down like grass, until, he gets a cut on his forearm and he leaves the field. Not as heroic as he could be. Now Agamemnon is not elected in any sense of the word, but the text seems pretty clear to me that he has his power because he has the relationships with all the coalition members. How good these relationships are? So when Agamemnon goes home to get a band-aid, the Trojans rally and it looks like the Greeks are going to be routed -- driven back into the sea. But Odysseus and Diomedes rally the men and keep it from being a complete loss. But this read far from glory for Agamemnon. From that point in the book, the Greeks take a pretty straight beating from then in. And it gets so bad, that at one point, Agamemnon, says, "Maybe we should take a couple of ships and row out to sea, wait until dark and come back and collect everybody who has survived and then go home." Which is a horrible idea. And Odysseus, the most cunning of them, all unleashes this speech. With a dark glance, the shrewd tactician OdysseusWheeled on his commander. "What's this, Atrides,this talk that slips from your clenched teeth?You are the disaster. Would to god you commanded another army.What if one of the men gets wind of your brave plan? No one should ever let such nonsense pass his lipsno one with any skill in fit and proper speech-- and least of all yourself, a sceptered king. Full battalions hang on your words AgamemnonAchean troops will never hold the line, I tell you. not while the long ships are being hauled to sea. They'll look left and right -- for where can they run? and they'll fling their lust for battle to the winds. Then, Commander of armies, your plan will kill us all."At that the King of men Agamemnon backed down. Yeah, he did. The war goes on and it gets worse fro Greeks. All the Greek heroes are knocked out of commission either dead or wounded, and it looks like the end. But Achilles is so pissed he still won't help So Patroclus, Achilles' best friend goes to him and begs -- not for Achilles to re-enter the fray, but for Achilles lend him his armor and lead his troops the Myrmidons (who are fresh because they've been resting this whole time) out into battle. One sharp shock will turn the tide and everybody fears Achilles. But Patroclus, though brave, is no great warrior. Hector rides out and kills him. Achilles goes out and weeps over his friend's dead body. And then at dawn Achilles mother - a goddess -- brings him a new, even more, magnificent suit of armor hot off Vulcan's forge. Agamemnon finally gives him his girl back. Achilles hops on his chariot ready to ready to go to war. And there's this little moment. He pats his horse and praises them, reminds them of the lineage they come from, and tells them to do a good job. It's human and recognizable. The kind of thing you'd see in a cowboy movie. Except that one of his horses _talks back_ saying, basically, "Man, I'ma do my best, but you better get right with the fact that you gonna die on this windy plain of Troy." It couldn't be any weirder if Hunter S. Thompson wrote it. And Achilles, cause he's such a badass says, Don't waste your breath.I know, well I know -- I am destined to die here, far from my dear father,far from mother. But all the same, I will never stoptil I drive the Trojans to their bloody fill of war.Then he yells "eeYeah!" whips the horse into action and goes off to kill, well, everybody. Now, before we get to the climax, it's important to recognize how out of control this war gets. Diomedes, a Greek, tries to kill love. He wounds a goddess, Aphrodite. Like, I understand heartbreak, and I understand anger. But I've never wanted to KILL love. And then he turns right around and spears the GOD of WAR through the stomach, forcing him to leave the field. Diomedes is a badass and he gets very little press. And as much of a badass as Diomedes is, he's not the fiercest warrior in the story. That's Achilles, who now uncorks his entire can of whoop-ass. Ultimately he kills Hector, the Trojan's most valiant warrior, and drags his corpse around the city behind his chariot. The war doesn't end in the Iliad. The book ends with Hector's funeral. But the feeling among the Trojans is that the war is lost. That great stuff about the Trojan horse we actually get from Virgil, a Roman poet who wrote much later, in the Aeneid. FINALLY BRINGING IT ALL HOME So with all of that as an explanation -- and forgive me if I got a little carried away, but it's a great story. Let me finally get to my point and bring this whole thing home. A great work of art can be read in many different ways. And all of them are profitable. That's what makes the Canon the canon. The works are deep, almost beyond belief. To me, it appears that the modern-day humanities have abandoned this understanding in the pursuit of social justice. And it's not that the impulse towards justice is wrong -- it's that they have thrown the baby out with the bathwater. Of course, there is the crass stupidity of dismissing Homer as an old dead white guy. Homer was, at best, just the guy who wrote the story down, but he seems to be just a representation of a very long tradition of oral poets who come from a culture alien to ours. And if you believe Julian Jaynes, not even, for much of their history, possessing what we think of as interior consciousness. But this very alien quality -- and the unbelievable intellectual flourishing of Greece before the Peloponnesian war -- are what make this culture worth studying. Because they were human and brilliant and highly successful, but totally different from us. It's like the benefits of travel. I don't think people are fundamentally different anywhere you go. But if you only stay in one place or culture, what you think of as fundamentally human, is very narrow. But the farther you range in your travels and you're reading, the more of what is really, truly fundamental, important and beautiful about being human is revealed. So here's what I take from my last psychological reading of the Iliad. Agamemnon is a venial and corrupt leader. Achilles is the height of competence, but and because of the corruption of the political structure, he refuses to play the game. And what's more, he's absolutely right about the leadership being terrible. There are other competent actors, more responsible and mature actors among the Greeks -- Diomedes, Odysseus, and others -- who stay in the game, but ultimately, the only way to victory -- a victory that can't be had without paying a terrible price -- is for everybody to get over themselves, put their ego's aside, and do their best. The Iliad is not romantic about war. Everybody suffers and loses horribly. It reads quite fatalistically to me. Wars happen because the gods toy with us. And whatever you might think of Julian Jaynes theory of the development of consciousness -- I bet when you're in a war, that's exactly what it feels like -- the gods toying with you. The quotes are from the Robert Fagles translation of the Iliad -- which I like very much. He's clean and fast and readable preserving the adventure story quality in his translations of the Odyssey, the Iliad, and the Aeneid. And you can get a Kindle edition of the Iliad for, I kid you not, .60 cents. Can you even get a soda out of a soda machine for that anymore? Go buy it. You're swimming in Western Culture, might as well take a few pains to understand it. Emily Wilson's translation of the Odyssey is also really good. And she's working on a translation of the Iliad. But if you've the impulse to dip into the Illiad Maybe don't wait. Because right now it feels like the gods are toying with us all, all the time. Get full access to How It's Written by Patrick E. McLean at patrickemclean.substack.com/subscribe

Pour ce second épisode consacré à Égine, retraçons ensemble le mythe fondateur de l'île. Et vous allez l'entendre, cet îlot de terre a une place non négligeable dans les mythes grecs très célèbres : de Sisyphe et sa peine infini, aux Myrmidons, en passant par le caractère vengeur d'Héra.

Dans ce nouvel épisode Bastien et moi avons la chance d'accueillir Simon Lovichi des Myrmidons, qui est le troisième invité du podcast ! Simon partage avec nous son expérience de président et nous raconte l’évolution de son club.  Trouver Simon sur facebook : https://www.facebook.com/simon.lovichi  Lui écrire par email :lovichi.simon@gmail.commyrmidons.contact@gmail.comMyrmidonscoaching@gmail.com

Wally & Les Myrmidons - Pa BB LaLa [Kanaval 2020] by Chokarella Media

Welcome back everyone to Clash of the Myrmidons. In this week's episode we finally make down to Austin, TX, I beat my belongings, get a new office, and we play around with the genetic and mathematical underpinnings of haplo-diploidy and colony founding. I hope you enjoy this week's episode and, as always, stay curious! You can find me at tristan.kubik@utexas.edu Please include "cotmquestion" in the subject and let me know if you would like a shout out. Cheers!

Welcome back everyone to Clash of the Myrmidons. In this week's episode we finally make down to Austin, TX, I beat my belongings, get a new office, and we play around with the genetic and mathematical underpinnings of haplo-diploidy and colony founding. I hope you enjoy this week's episode and, as always, stay curious! You can find me at tristan.kubik@utexas.edu Please include "cotmquestion" in the subject and let me know if you would like a shout out. Cheers!

Part 2 of 2: Continuing the exploration of how Briseis played a crucial part in Achilles life. Part two looks at how their relationship could have developed based on extant sources. By examining Achilles’ response to Agamemnon’s bribery and Briseis’ laments for Patrokles and Achilles, we’re able to glimpse an endearing portrait of one of the most famous Iliadic heroines. The Wonder Women of Greek Mythology series focuses on the female characters of the Trojan War era.

Part 2 of 2: Continuing the exploration of how Briseis played a crucial part in Achilles life. Part two looks at how their relationship could have developed based on extant sources. By examining Achilles’ response to Agamemnon’s bribery and Briseis’ laments for Patrokles and Achilles, we’re able to glimpse an endearing portrait of one of the most famous Iliadic heroines. The Wonder Women of Greek Mythology series focuses on the female characters of the Trojan War era.

Welcome to Clash of the Myrmidons. Wondering if this is a podcast you could get behind? Give it a test drive with the first episode where I will introduce myself, the podcast, and the story we will be following over the next few weeks!

Welcome to Clash of the Myrmidons. Wondering if this is a podcast you could get behind? Give it a test drive with the first episode where I will introduce myself, the podcast, and the story we will be following over the next few weeks!

Poet, classical translator, research scholar and literary critic, Josephine Balmer reads from her latest collection, The Paths of Survival - inspired by the surviving fragments of Aeschylus's lost tragedy, Myrmidons. This reading is followed by a discussion with Josephine Balmer, Laura Swift, and Oliver Taplin.

Poet, classical translator, research scholar and literary critic, Josephine Balmer reads from her latest collection, The Paths of Survival - inspired by the surviving fragments of Aeschylus's lost tragedy, Myrmidons. This reading is followed by a discussion with Josephine Balmer, Laura Swift, and Oliver Taplin.

In this episode, we discuss (a) the consequences of Hera's subterfuge (Bks. 14-15), (b) the release of Patroklos and the Myrmidons into battle!; And we conclude with (c) The fall of the noble Sarpedon. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/alexander-schmid9/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/alexander-schmid9/support

The game this time is a one-shot of The End of the World RPG from Fantasy Flight Games!!   Music:  "Ants Marching" by Dave Matthews Band   Show Notes: http://www.chippewavalleygeek.com/2018/07/the-cvg-actual-play-community-theater_15.html

A weekly recap of some pointers from Troy, Fall of a City. In the fourth epsiode I consider a couple of interesting details from Homer's depiction of the duel between Paris and Menelaus, how to annoy Myrmidons and that kiss. I also possibly annoy you with a question. Feel free to find me on twitter (@ancientblogger) as I’ll be following each episode live… Music by Brakhage (Le Vrai Instrumental)

From ancient Greece to modern movies, monsters and villains often get their assistance from mindless mobs of maleficent minions. Are they simply plot devices, or do minions tell us something about the real-world role of the follower when loyal obedience is valued more than heroic ethics? In this episode of Monstertalk, David Perlumtter and Cait Mongrain join us to discuss Minions, Mobs and Myrmidons. Read the episode notes

THE STORY: (57 minutes) This episode, pivotal to the entire Trojan War Epic, features philosophy, bedroom farce, and genuine tragedy -- all in equal measure.  Temptation plays the lead:  Agamemnon tempts Achilles; Hera tempts Zeus; and Patroclus tempts Deadly Destiny. THE COMMENTARY:  WERE ACHILLES & PATROCLUS LOVERS? (20 minutes; begins at 57:00) I dedicate this entire post-story commentary to the Achilles/Patroclus relationship:  a relationship which has confounded scholars, storytellers, and listeners for the past 3500 years.  The central question up for debate is whether the relationship between Achilles and Patroclus had a sexual component. I begin my conversation by stating the fact that all scholars, tellers and listeners agree on: Achilles and Patroclus were exceedingly close - best friends, dearest of companions, soul mates, brothers in arms – use what terms you will.  Of that there is no doubt.  And when Patroclus is killed by Hector, everybody agrees that Achilles’ response to that death is the pivotal turning point in the epic. Then I turn to a question on which scholars, tellers and listeners quite disagree.  Following are the three contending theories on the Achilles/Patroclus relationship. Most Homeric and Bronze Age scholars argue that the Achilles/Patroclus relationship was asexual.  They point to the text of the Iliad, which offers not a single reference or even allusion to a sexual relationship between the two men.  They further point to the Iliad to show that Achilles and Patroclus clearly have heterosexual relations with women.  The scholars in this camp suggest that what causes some readers to “infer” a sexual element to Achilles/Patroclus is the written language of Homer’s Iliad.  By our contemporary standards (and clearly by the standards of other time periods too), the verbal communication when Achilles and Patroclus speak to, or about each other, is romantic, florid, passionate and intimate – in a way that most societies reserve exclusively for communications between lovers.  But, scholars argue, many Bronze Age works are characterized by similar language and depths of passion between males, especially between male comrades in arms.  In the Hebrew story of David and Jonathan (2 Samuel 1:26), David claims that the love he had for Jonathan surpassed even the love of women.  It is our contemporary sensibilities, scholars argue, that erroneously grafts a sexual meaning onto David’s claim, but there is nothing in the text to support such an interpretation. But Classical Greek scholars and readers disagree.  They argue that the Achilles/Patroclus relationship was pederastic.  This way of seeing the Achilles/Patroclus relationship originated (or at least was popularized) during the Classical and Hellenistic Greek period (c. 480-146 BCE) when pederasty was socially accepted and possibly even commonplace amongst upper class Greeks.  Pederasty involved an older man entering into a relationship with a young man in his teens.  The older man served as a “mentor” to the younger man, introducing him into adult male society.  The relationship lasted for a few years, until the younger man came of age, at which point the relationship would end.  Both men either had, or would go on to have, wives and children.  The pederastic relationship sometimes included a sexual element, in which the older man achieved sexual pleasure by rubbing his erect penis between the thighs of the younger man.  Anal penetration does not appear to have been common in these relationships.  Scholars who argue that Achilles and Patroclus were pederasts include:  the philosopher Plato (in the Symposium); the playwrite Aeschylus (in The Myrmidons) and many other prominent Greek and later Roman historians.  Replying to the objection that Achilles and Patroclus are never actually depicted in the Iliad engaged in sexual activity, these proponents argue that a pederastic relationship is clearly implied and obvious to anyone who examines t...

Action Movie Anatomy hosts Ben Bateman and Andrew Ghai break down Troy! Troy is a 2004 American epic war film written by David Benioff and directed by Wolfgang Petersen. It is loosely based on Homer's Iliad, though the film narrates the entire story of the decade-long Trojan War rather than just the quarrel between Achilles and Agamemnon in the ninth year. Achilles leads his Myrmidons along with the rest of the Greek army invading the historical city of Troy, defended by Hector's Trojan army. The end of the film (the sacking of Troy) is not taken from the Iliad, but rather from Virgil's Aeneid as the Iliad concludes with Hector's death and funeral. --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app

An homage to BBC Radio 1 and Zane Lowe, for the second part of our annual Summer Music Festival. Apologies up front for the tepid Zane Lowe impression and the accompanying, atrocious, Australian accent. LINKS: Bands on today’s show: Static Wonder, The Ratells, Andy Hawk & The Train Wreck Endings, Myrmidons, Goldhouse, LIGHTS, The 1975 Check out our friends over at Ross Rants. Funny stuff! PF is NOT doing PF Trivia LIVE! at McLevy's Pub in Cincinnati, right next door to Go Bananas, Thursday July 4, but IS back Thursday July 11 at 10:00 p.m. Be sure to click over to Fangirl’s blog, CheckCheckHey! and her photo blog. Follow P.F. on Twitter @PF66 and like this podcast on Facebook. PF’s Tape Recorder logo designed by Dan Koabel. Dan and Logan’s new podcast Magic Potion is also available now in iTunes. Email our show here. YOU CAN STILL HELP CALEB MEDLEY! Caleb, as you may know, is a stand-up comic, who was severely injured in the movie theater shootings back in July of 2012. You can donate to help pay his medical expenses here. Be a podcast critic! Write a (preferably glowing) review of our show on iTunes or here on Podbean---or both. It really helps us out with rankings and such. Thanks for listening, and be sure to tell your friends, neighbors, your neighbor’s friends, and friends of people who used to be your neighbors, or used to be your friends about us. Follow @PF66 PF Wilson

Ted Ottaviano of Book of Love discusses the possibility of a new chapter for that band. Michele Bachmann may have a new career as a comedy writer. Comedian Tabari McCoy makes a special announcement and, as always, Fake News. DATES: Book of Love is at Numbers Nightclub in Houston, Saturday April 27th. LINKS: The piece I wrote on Book of Love for The Houston Press is up. Ted and Lauren’s current project, The Myrmidons, can be found here. Tabari McCoy’s Kickstarter account can be found here. Be sure to click over to Fangirl’s blog, CheckCheckHey! and her photo blog. Follow P.F. on Twitter @PF66 and like this podcast on Facebook. PF’s Tape Recorder logo designed by Dan Koabel. Dan and Logan’s new podcast Magic Potion is also available now in iTunes. Email our show here. YOU CAN STILL HELP CALEB MEDLEY! Caleb, as you may know, is a stand-up comic, who was severely injured in the movie theater shootings back in July of 2012. An update on his condition was broadcast on KMGH, Channel 7, the ABC affiliate in Denver. He still has a long way to go a complete recovery it seems. You can donate to help pay his medical expenses here. Hey, help a podcaster out and write a review on iTunes or here on Podbean---or both. It really helps us out with rankings and such. Apparently a Ted Nugent fan gave us 1 star in iTunes, which is hilarious, but also a little hurtful in that it drags down our average. Thanks for listening, and be sure to tell your friends, neighbors, your neighbor’s friends, and friends of people who used to be your neighbors, about us. Follow @PF66 !function(d,s,id){var js,fjs=d.getElementsByTagName(s)[0],p=/^http:/.test(d.location)?'http':'https';if(!d.getElementById(id)){js=d.createElement(s);js.id=id;js.src=p+'://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js';fjs.parentNode.insertBefore(js,fjs);}}(document, 'script', 'twitter-wjs'); PF Wilson

The lowdown on what popular culture chooses to keep in its portrayals of the Greek hero Achilles … and what gets left out.

Transcript -- The lowdown on what popular culture chooses to keep in its portrayals of the Greek hero Achilles … and what gets left out.

Transcript -- The lowdown on what popular culture chooses to keep in its portrayals of the Greek hero Achilles … and what gets left out.

The lowdown on what popular culture chooses to keep in its portrayals of the Greek hero Achilles … and what gets left out.