Podcast appearances and mentions of mary thengvall

Sometimes work stretches beyond “normal” hours, and while we might welcome that when we're energized by the project, other times it's a real struggle. In this episode, Jason, PJ, and Mary unpack the difference between working late because we love the job versus doing it just to meet a deadline. They also explore how to recognize when those long hours are a sign of a toxic environment or poor prioritization—and what we can do to push back. Photo by Mohammad Alizade on Unsplash. Enjoy the podcast? Please take a few moments to leave us a review on iTunes (https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/community-pulse/id1218368182?mt=2) and follow us on Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/show/3I7g5W9fMSgpWu38zZMjet?si=eb528c7de12b4d7a&nd=1&dlsi=b0c85248dabc48ce), or leave a review on one of the other many podcasting sites that we're on! Your support means a lot to us and helps us continue to produce episodes every month. Like all things Community, this too takes a village.

"Vibe coding" is gaining traction as a new way to approach software development—but what does it actually mean? In this episode, we unpack the term, explore how it's shaping the developer experience, and examine its potential to transform developer relations. We'll break down the pros and cons, from faster workflows to new challenges in communication and code quality, and discuss what this shift means for DevRel professionals today and in the future. Enjoy the podcast? Please take a few moments to leave us a review on iTunes (https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/community-pulse/id1218368182?mt=2) and follow us on Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/show/3I7g5W9fMSgpWu38zZMjet?si=eb528c7de12b4d7a&nd=1&dlsi=b0c85248dabc48ce), or leave a review on one of the other many podcasting sites that we're on! Your support means a lot to us and helps us continue to produce episodes every month. Like all things Community, this too takes a village.

There has been a lot of chat about the decline of the tech influencer. Where have they all gone? Is tech influence too heavy or too light? PJ, Mary, Wesley, and Jason share their opinions about “capital I” Influencers and where DevRel falls into all of this. Checkouts PJ Hagerty * Take vacations. * Fyre Festival 2 is real and can hurt you (https://www.fyre.mx/). Jason Hand * Stitched video (https://www.tiktok.com/@javavvitch/video/7484337665979157806?_r=1&_t=ZP-8v4542WIxhP) * Original video (https://www.tiktok.com/@_jenniferopal/video/7483187087668235542) * AI “slop” article (https://www.404media.co/ai-slop-is-a-brute-force-attack-on-the-algorithms-that-control-reality/) * AI Tools Lab (https://ai-tools-lab.com/) Mary Thengvall awesome (fictional) books that have stuck with me lately: * When Women Were Dragons (https://amzn.to/3XCdANJ) by Kelly Barnhill * The Midnight Library (https://www.amazon.com/Midnight-Library-Novel-Matt-Haig/dp/0525559493?crid=2XC9NV2G9FSZ3&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.2X1VMX4VBN13gI1Fm3eUtvFfYDDrB1UgW6o8pimHCKMRsUdZljuYA8UPt0uNEWQpezPL4jgGeQOKhNUUDKDiZCL70hlev8QQoAFODLSCYYHRcGHaWH6c-SIUfl-9hlWwCg4pgNfLmAi4U-PiNz9mY8AjEtRk7A1DT94rKHkb_11rxAPhs7gjEfTKIrjryhjr4OwIkmpGCpN-Pb4zNCJO8TaRKWh3fUlWuTtpFangRA8.liV0Ba6DaeVkONNImws4TX39AMvsfGnTdjU8aGbGQkg&dib_tag=se&keywords=the+midnight+library&qid=1743186669&s=books&sprefix=the+midngith,stripbooks,257&sr=1-1&linkCode=sl1&tag=persea-20&linkId=4d6bfa9b106a788cfcdd7a6b09838212&language=en_US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl) by Matt Haig * Station Eleven (https://amzn.to/3E1xUl1) by Emily St. John Mandel Cover art photo by Diggity Marketing on Unsplash. Enjoy the podcast? Please take a few moments to leave us a review on iTunes (https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/community-pulse/id1218368182?mt=2) and follow us on Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/show/3I7g5W9fMSgpWu38zZMjet?si=eb528c7de12b4d7a&nd=1&dlsi=b0c85248dabc48ce), or leave a review on one of the other many podcasting sites that we're on! Your support means a lot to us and helps us continue to produce episodes every month. Like all things Community, this too takes a village.

The team takes a look back at 2024 and ahead to 2025. Enjoy the podcast? Please take a few moments to leave us a review on iTunes (https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/community-pulse/id1218368182?mt=2) and follow us on Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/show/3I7g5W9fMSgpWu38zZMjet?si=eb528c7de12b4d7a&nd=1&dlsi=b0c85248dabc48ce), or leave a review on one of the other many podcasting sites that we're on! Your support means a lot to us and helps us continue to produce episodes every month. Like all things Community, this too takes a village. Photo by BoliviaInteligente on Unsplash.

Recently, the topic of DevRel maturity sparked a conversation: What qualities define a mature community and a seasoned team? Join PJ, Jason, Mary, and Wesley as they share their insights on past experiences, current trends shaping the field, and key indicators to monitor as you strive to build a thriving, successful community. Enjoy the podcast? Please take a few moments to leave us a review on iTunes (https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/community-pulse/id1218368182?mt=2) and follow us on Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/show/3I7g5W9fMSgpWu38zZMjet?si=eb528c7de12b4d7a&nd=1&dlsi=b0c85248dabc48ce), or leave a review on one of the other many podcasting sites that we're on! Your support means a lot to us and helps us continue to produce episodes every month. Like all things Community, this too takes a village. Photo by Suzanne D. Williams on Unsplash.

This conversation follows up on our discussion about the noteworthy changes in Developer Relations over recent years and how many of our friends and colleagues have chosen to leverage their DevRel skills in new and exciting ways. Enjoy the podcast? Please take a few moments to leave us a review on iTunes (https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/community-pulse/id1218368182?mt=2) and follow us on Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/show/3I7g5W9fMSgpWu38zZMjet?si=eb528c7de12b4d7a&nd=1&dlsi=b0c85248dabc48ce), or leave a review on one of the other many podcasting sites that we're on! Your support means a lot to us and helps us continue to produce episodes every month. Like all things Community, this too takes a village.

Developer Relations has gone through quite a few changes over the last few years. In that vein, some people have found new skills in the ever-evolving world of tech. Along their journey, they moved away from DevRel, but still use those abilities in new ways. So, what is it like when you bounce from DevRel? Quote: “The message I'm sending to myself: I can't change the world until I change myself first” - Kendrick Lamar Checkouts Taylor Barnett-Torabi * Range (https://davidepstein.com/range/) by David Epstein Matt Broberg * ADRs (https://github.com/joelparkerhenderson/architecture-decision-record) or documenting decisions as a thing™ – Any Decision Record (formally Architectural) * If you're looking at PM roles, The Product Manager Interview (https://www.lewis-lin.com/the-product-manager-interview-lewis-lin) by Lewis C. Lin helped me get my footing Wesley Faulkner * How Teams Can Skip the Drama and Embrace Healthy Conflict with Amy Gallo | SXSW 2024 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwuwFyiaCdU) Jason Hand * DASH - 2024 (https://www.dashcon.io/) PJ Hagerty * Frank Turner's latest album - Undefeated (https://combine.fm/spotify/album/5htcBxqWfEWaZ7CCETXcH9) * Gary Clark Jr - JPEG RAW (https://combine.fm/spotify/album/09XurHGqbBgvj7SH96UbPV) * Geeky Jerseys (https://www.geekyjerseys.com/) Mary Thengvall * The Humans (https://amzn.to/3y3r5w1) by Matt Haig * Contributor Covenant (https://www.contributor-covenant.org/) code of conduct - they're working on v3 of the code of conduct and want feedback on how community builders have implemented CoCs in the past. Take the survey to help out! (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdf3QE5n5ILH7Fq1nNSECwUFnfYYOwQw4A_zYik43CGVrdfcQ/viewform) Photo by Mantas Hesthaven on Unsplash Enjoy the podcast? Please take a few moments to leave us a review on iTunes (https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/community-pulse/id1218368182?mt=2) and follow us on Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/show/3I7g5W9fMSgpWu38zZMjet?si=eb528c7de12b4d7a&nd=1&dlsi=b0c85248dabc48ce), or leave a review on one of the other many podcasting sites that we're on! Your support means a lot to us and helps us continue to produce episodes every month. Like all things Community, this too takes a village. Special Guests: Matt Broberg and Taylor Barnett-Torabi.

Our hosts elaborate on the notion that, apart from speaking engagements, much of the work undertaken by DevRel professionals remains backstage, yet through live streaming, they can learn publicly and involve community members, overcoming concerns and fostering engaging content for community learning. Enjoy the podcast? Please take a few moments to leave us a review on iTunes (https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/community-pulse/id1218368182?mt=2) and follow us on Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/show/3I7g5W9fMSgpWu38zZMjet?si=eb528c7de12b4d7a&nd=1&dlsi=b0c85248dabc48ce), or leave a review on one of the other many podcasting sites that we're on! Your support means a lot to us and helps us continue to produce episodes every month. Like all things Community, this too takes a village.

With the exception of speaking at conferences, much of what we do as DevRel professionals is behind-the-scenes. However, with live streaming, we're able to not only learn in public, but bring our community members into the experience. While this can be intimidating, and lead to questions like “what if I make a mistake?” - or - “What if I don't know all the answers?” - or - “How do I make sure I come across as knowledgeable while I'm also learning?” it can also be a great way to create engaging content that helps your community learn alongside you. Checkouts Laurent Bugnion * Learn Live (https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/shows/learn-live/?WT.mc_id=academic-0000-lbugnion) - the show I produce for Microsoft * GalaSoft (https://galasoft.ch/) - my website with my blog, past presentations and future appearances Darko Mesaros * AWS Community - Livestreams (https://community.aws/livestreams) * rup12 (https://www.rup12.net/) Wesley Faulkner * Spyware leak offers ‘first-of-its-kind' look inside Chinese government hacking efforts (https://techcrunch.com/2024/02/23/isoon-china-government-hacking-spyware-leak/) Jason Hand * “Use Gemini AI to improve productivity while using Datadog” (https://cloud.withgoogle.com/next/speakers?session=OPS206) @ Google Next * Datadog On Data Science (https://datadogon.datadoghq.com/episodes/datadog-on-data-science/) Mary Thengvall * The Roaring Days of Zora Lily (https://amzn.to/3uIwpUg) (and everything by Noelle Salazar) * Timeshifte (https://www.timeshifter.com/)r - app for avoiding jetlag Enjoy the podcast? Please take a few moments to leave us a review on iTunes (https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/community-pulse/id1218368182?mt=2) and follow us on Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/show/3I7g5W9fMSgpWu38zZMjet?si=eb528c7de12b4d7a&nd=1&dlsi=b0c85248dabc48ce), or leave a review on one of the other many podcasting sites that we're on! Your support means a lot to us and helps us continue to produce episodes every month. Like all things Community, this too takes a village. Special Guests: Darko Mesaros and Laurent Bugnion.

Our Community Pulse hosts take a look back at 2023 - the episodes, the patterns, and our observations. Checkouts PJ Hagerty * Go see live music and support your local musicians! * Baldur's Gate 3 (https://baldursgate3.game/) deserves to be Game of the Year Jason Hand * The Midnight Library (https://amzn.to/47bcIkU) * A Court of Thorns and Roses (https://amzn.to/41B0zEL) * Fourth Wing (https://amzn.to/3RSxvp3) Mary Thengvall * Kindle Unlimited subscription (https://amzn.to/3RCVaIG) - $11.99/month for unlimited ebooks and audiobooks! Wesley Faulkner * Tesla is having issues producing 4680 cells for Cybertruck, sketchy report says | Electrek (https://electrek.co/2023/12/21/tesla-issues-producing-4680-cells-cybertruck-sketchy-report/) Enjoy the podcast? Please take a few moments to leave us a review on iTunes (https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/community-pulse/id1218368182?mt=2) and follow us on Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/show/3I7g5WfMSgpWu38zZMjet?si=565TMb81SaWwrJYbAIeOxQ), or leave a review on one of the other many podcasting sites that we're on! Your support means a lot to us and helps us continue to produce episodes every month. Like all things Community, this too takes a village.

Mary, PJ, and Jason wrap up their conversation of the Common Room survey and what it might mean for the industry moving forward. Enjoy the podcast? Please take a few moments to leave us a review on iTunes (https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/community-pulse/id1218368182?mt=2) and follow us on Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/show/3I7g5WfMSgpWu38zZMjet?si=565TMb81SaWwrJYbAIeOxQ), or leave a review on one of the other many podcasting sites that we're on! Your support means a lot to us and helps us continue to produce episodes every month. Like all things Community, this too takes a village.

As the industry continues to change, keeping a pulse on it becomes even more difficult. Luckily, the team over at Common Room partnered with a number of DevRel professionals (some of whom are on this call!) to create a survey focused on DevRel compensation as well as roles and responsibilities, business impact, success metrics, and personal wellbeing. In this episode, we'll talk about the results of the survey and learn what we can do to push the industry forward. 2023 Common Room Survey Results Overview (https://www.commonroom.io/blog/2023-developer-relations-compensation-and-culture-report-overview/) Checkouts Rebecca Marshburn * The Color of Law: A Forgotten History of How our Government Segregated America (https://www.amazon.com/Color-Law-Forgotten-Government-Segregated/dp/1631494538?&linkCode=sl1&tag=persea-20&linkId=4c15702a44d9c65837b15d8b7d3976e7&language=en_US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl) by Richard Rothstein * Common Room DevRel playbooks (https://www.commonroom.io/playbooks/?filters=community/developer-relations) - Like ‘How to automate your GitHub triage processes' and ‘Easily meet your support SLAs': * re:Invent - come join our DevRel brunch! Invite here (https://commonroombrunchinvegas.splashthat.com/) - open to all! PJ Hagerty * New Wu-Tang Single (https://combine.fm/spotify/track/3vTSGUgTcDJHO47dlkzDcU) * Boygenius - The Rest (https://open.spotify.com/album/1n0esOkFQdL74PwMwTVgtz?si=QHLrBqmESzWpmFdqBOLSyg) * Southern Rites - a Photo documentary (https://www.eastman.org/doc-southernrites) * Ocean at the End of the Lane (https://www.amazon.com/Ocean-End-Lane-Novel/dp/0063070707) by Neil Gaiman Jason Hand * Re:invent Sessions (https://dtdg.co/3slq5ks) Mary Thengvall * Demon Copperhead (https://amzn.to/3tImsVQ) by Barbara Kingsolver * P!nk - new(ish) album (https://pink.lnk.to/TRUSTFALL) + concert experience Enjoy the podcast? Please take a few moments to leave us a review on iTunes (https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/community-pulse/id1218368182?mt=2) and follow us on Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/show/3I7g5WfMSgpWu38zZMjet?si=565TMb81SaWwrJYbAIeOxQ), or leave a review on one of the other many podcasting sites that we're on! Your support means a lot to us and helps us continue to produce episodes every month. Like all things Community, this too takes a village. Episode artwork by UX Indonesia (https://unsplash.com/@uxindo?utm_content=creditCopyText&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=unsplash) on Unsplash (https://unsplash.com/@uxindo?utm_content=creditCopyText&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=unsplash) Special Guest: Rebecca Marshburn.

Don't miss our hosts as they delve back into their takeaways from their conversation with Angie and Evan about the importance of clarifying and concentrating on your role. Enjoy the podcast? Please take a few moments to leave us a review on iTunes (https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/community-pulse/id1218368182?mt=2) and follow us on Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/show/3I7g5WfMSgpWu38zZMjet?si=565TMb81SaWwrJYbAIeOxQ), or leave a review on one of the other many podcasting sites that we're on! Your support means a lot to us and helps us continue to produce episodes every month. Like all things Community, this too takes a village.

As we learned in Episode 79, “How We Broke DevRel as an Industry (https://www.communitypulse.io/79-how-we-broke-devrel-as-an-industry)”, sometimes the people in charge may not know how to set you up for success. The tasks you're expected to do can take you away from your core focus. In today's episode, we'll talk through how to define your role and defend your team against that very real possibility of being tasked with items that don't belong within your purview. Checkouts Evan Hamilton * Factfulness: Ten Reasons We're Wrong about the World by Hans Rosling (https://www.amazon.com/Factfulness-Reasons-World-Things-Better/dp/1250123828/ref=sr_1_1?hvadid=580750427006&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=9010222&hvnetw=g&hvqmt=e&hvrand=5641429314803382062&hvtargid=kwd-429505407993&hydadcr=22567_13493270&keywords=factfulness+by+hans+rosling&qid=1690810799&s=books&sr=1-1) * People I Mostly Admire speaks to Chicago's innovative sheriff (https://freakonomics.com/podcast/chicagos-renegade-sheriff-wants-to-fix-law-enforcement/) * Chris Detzel (https://chrisdetzel.com/) * Community Manager Breakfast (https://www.evanhamilton.com/community-manager-breakfast/) Angie Jones * ChatGPT (https://openai.com/) * Hackathons! Wesley Faulkner * Positioning with April Dunford (http://positioning.show) * Setting up For Success in Your Next Role: Where to start? (https://www.devrelx.com/post/setting-up-for-success-in-your-next-role-where-to-start) Jason Hand * DASH conference (https://www.dashcon.io/) * Beginners Guide to Sketchnoting: Focus Better, Learn Faster and Remember Longer by Drawing Your Notes (https://a.co/d/eSaombF) by Ashton Rodenhiser Mary Thengvall * American Dirt (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/45721673-american-dirt) by Jeanine Cummins * Puppy Training: Sexier than a Squirrel (https://absolute-dogs.com/product/squirrel/) Enjoy the podcast? Please take a few moments to leave us a review on iTunes (https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/community-pulse/id1218368182?mt=2) and follow us on Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/show/3I7g5WfMSgpWu38zZMjet?si=565TMb81SaWwrJYbAIeOxQ), or leave a review on one of the other many podcasting sites that we're on! Your support means a lot to us and helps us continue to produce episodes every month. Like all things Community, this too takes a village. All headings are in bold. Callouts are using full host names. Artwork photo by Paul Skorupskas (https://unsplash.com/@pawelskor?utm_source=unsplash&utm_medium=referral&utm_content=creditCopyText) on Unsplash (https://unsplash.com/@pawelskor?utm_source=unsplash&utm_medium=referral&utm_content=creditCopyText) Special Guests: Angie Jones and Evan Hamilton.

Tune in to PJ and Mary as they revisit their insightful discussion with Danielle and David on the subject of devops. Enjoy the podcast? Please take a few moments to leave us a review on iTunes (https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/community-pulse/id1218368182?mt=2) and follow us on Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/show/3I7g5WfMSgpWu38zZMjet?si=565TMb81SaWwrJYbAIeOxQ), or leave a review on one of the other many podcasting sites that we're on! Your support means a lot to us and helps us continue to produce episodes every month. Like all things Community, this too takes a village.

Many see DevRel practitioners as up front, in the spotlight, on stage, or at least with their name on lots of content. What if we told you there were people behind the scenes making community operations their priority? What does that look like, and who are the people making the lives of DevRel folks easier? That's the topic of today's Community Pulse episode. Show Notes Blogposts about Community Operations roles: What do Community Operations Managers do? (https://www.cmxhub.com/blog/community-operations-managers) from CMX What does a community operations manager do? (https://www.commonroom.io/blog/what-does-a-community-operations-manager-do/) from Common Room Community Operations: A Beginner's Guide (https://www.commsor.com/post/community-operations-beginners-guide) from Commsor Checkouts Danielle Andrist * Make (https://www.make.com/en) - just discovered it so I can't vouch for it yet but it's like Zapier on steroids * Shift (https://tryshift.com/) - just got a new work laptop so I had to update to the newest version of Shift, I'm on the alpha release with the new workspaces and I gotta say, it's a huge improvement from the Shift version I was using (which to be fair, was several versions old) David Blank-Edelman * Murmurs of Earth (https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/263952) by Carl Sagan * Tartine Bread (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/8185785-tartine-bread?ref=nav_sb_ss_1_7) by Chad Robertson * The Perfect Loaf (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/60279778-the-perfect-loaf?ref=nav_sb_ss_2_16) by Maurizio Leo PJ Hagerty * Rever (https://www.rever.co/) - motorcycle rider social media * Clearword (https://clearword.com/) - make meetings into action item lists (not just transcription, but actual things you can take action on) Mary Thengvall * Word by Word (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/34449897-word-by-word): The Secret Life of Dictionaries by Kory Stamper Enjoy the podcast? Please take a few moments to leave us a review on iTunes (https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/community-pulse/id1218368182?mt=2) and follow us on Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/show/3I7g5W9fMSgpWu38zZMjet?si=3aa0941849284f8e), or leave a review on one of the other many podcasting sites that we're on! Your support means a lot to us and helps us continue to produce episodes every month. Like all things Community, this too takes a village. Artwork photo by Moses Williams (https://unsplash.com/fr/@spacejunkpictures?utm_source=unsplash&utm_medium=referral&utm_content=creditCopyText) on Unsplash (https://unsplash.com/fr/@spacejunkpictures?utm_source=unsplash&utm_medium=referral&utm_content=creditCopyText) Special Guests: Danielle Andrist and David Blank-Edelman.

Over the course of its history, DevRel has changed and evolved, both in the day-to-day responsibilities but also in the identify of what DevRel is. External influences as well as internal influences have changed the definitions, expectations, and roles within DevRel, for better and for worse. in this episode, we'll talk about * what's working * what's not working * how we can move forward to a future where DevRel makes sense. Checkouts Ben Greenberg * Rationality: What It Is, Why It Seems Scarce, Why It Matters (https://stevenpinker.com/publications/rationality-what-it-why-it-seems-so-scarce-and-why-it-matters) by Steven Pinke Jason Lengstorf * The Range (https://davidepstein.com/the-range/) Mia Moore * Chickpea Magazine (https://chickpeamagazine.com/): A whole foods vegan lifestyle magazine & blog Wesley Faulkner * Crossing the Chasm: Marketing and Selling Disruptive Products to Mainstream Customers (https://www.amazon.com/Crossing-Chasm-3rd-Disruptive-Mainstream/dp/0062292986) by Geoffrey A. Moore PJ Hagerty * Music League (https://musicleague.com/) Mary Thengvall * Whalebone Magazine (https://whalebonemag.com/): “a community of like-minded individuals who all believe that being delightfully disoriented and putting some fun into the world isn't the worst way to spend some time.” Enjoy the podcast? Please take a few moments to leave us a review on iTunes (https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/community-pulse/id1218368182?mt=2) and follow us on Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/show/3I7g5WfMSgpWu38zZMjet?si=565TMb81SaWwrJYbAIeOxQ), or leave a review on one of the other many podcasting sites that we're on! Your support means a lot to us and helps us continue to produce episodes every month. Like all things Community, this too takes a village. Artwork photo by Jackson Simmer (https://unsplash.com/@simmerdownjpg?utm_source=unsplash&utm_medium=referral&utm_content=creditCopyText) on Unsplash (https://unsplash.com/@simmerdownjpg?utm_source=unsplash&utm_medium=referral&utm_content=creditCopyText) Special Guests: Ben Greenberg, Jason Lengstorf, and Mia Moore.

There have been many hot takes and subtweets about the positive and negative connotations of having a robust list of companies on one's DevRel resume. Is it a sign of success or a signal that things are more fluid than outsiders might assume? Let's touch down on a touchy topic - DevRel Job Hopping! Checkouts Aisha Blake * Thirsty Sword Lesbians roleplaying game (https://evilhat.com/product/thirsty-sword-lesbians/) Chloe Condon * Salute Your Skorts podcast (https://saluteyourskorts.com/) Mandy Moore: * Greater than Code podcast (https://www.greaterthancode.com) (sponsorship opportunities: mandy@devreps.com) * Release Holistic Recovery (releaseholisticrecovery.com) Wesley Faulkner * Radical Candor (https://amzn.to/3AHv27s) by Kim Scott * Just Work (https://amzn.to/3AGFTie) by Kim Scott * Just Work podcast (https://www.justworktogether.com/podcast) PJ Hagerty * Spotify for Developers: On the Air! (https://open.spotify.com/show/1POdFZRZbvbqqillRxMr2z) * the record (https://www.xboygeniusx.com/) (new album from boygenius) Mary Thengvall * But What If We're Wrong (https://amzn.to/3oSV0T7) by Chuck Klosterman Enjoy the podcast? Please take a few moments to leave us a review on iTunes (https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/community-pulse/id1218368182?mt=2) and follow us on Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/show/3I7g5WfMSgpWu38zZMjet?si=565TMb81SaWwrJYbAIeOxQ), or leave a review on one of the other many podcasting sites that we're on! Your support means a lot to us and helps us continue to produce episodes every month. Like all things Community, this too takes a village. Artwork photo by Nick Fewings (https://unsplash.com/@jannerboy62?utm_source=unsplash&utm_medium=referral&utm_content=creditCopyText) on Unsplash (https://unsplash.com/@jannerboy62?utm_source=unsplash&utm_medium=referral&utm_content=creditCopyText) Special Guests: Aisha Blake, Chloe Condon, and Mandy Moore.

We're somehow already at the end of 2022, which means it's time for another end-of-year wrap-up from your Community Pulse hosts! Thanks so much to all of you who have listened (and participated!) as we've explored topics from content to speaking, Developer Experience, DevRel strategy, and more. Join Mary, Jason, PJ, and Wesley as we talk about some of the trends we noticed during 2022 and what we think might happen in 2023. Relevant Links * Interesting discussion (https://twitter.com/bryanl/status/1596512391264894976) about people leaving Twitter - where are they going and what's the potential impact? * DevRel Survey 2022 Results (https://www.stateofdeveloperrelations.com/_files/ugd/383279_5b2cd6c61868495b98d2dac2f52b1d30.pdf) 2022 Episodes * DevRel: What's Your Story (https://www.communitypulse.io/65-devrel-whats-your-story) - LIVE episode * Your Content, Their Brand: episode (https://www.communitypulse.io/66-your-content-their-brand) & after pulse (https://www.communitypulse.io/66ap) - Amara Graham & Henry Teegarden * Grab the Mic: episode (https://www.communitypulse.io/67-grab-the-mic) & after pulse (https://www.communitypulse.io/67ap) - Kat Cosgrove & VM Brasseur * Moving from Execution to Strategy: episode (https://www.communitypulse.io/68-moving-from-execution-to-strategy) & after pulse (https://www.communitypulse.io/68ap) - Ashley Willis & Mo McElaney * So Long, SJ, and thanks for all the Quips (https://www.communitypulse.io/69-so-long-sj) * Rediscovering In-Person Conferences: episode (https://www.communitypulse.io/70-rediscovering-in-person-conferences) & after pulse (https://www.communitypulse.io/70ap) - Jeff Blankenburg & Kerri Miller * DevRel Survey 2022: episode (https://www.communitypulse.io/71-devrel-survey-2022) & after pulse (https://www.communitypulse.io/71ap) - Caroline Lewko * Where do you get started with Developer Experience?: episode (https://www.communitypulse.io/72-developer-experience) & after pulse (https://www.communitypulse.io/72ap) - Amara Graham & Kurt Kemple * DevRel Beyond Developers: episode (https://www.communitypulse.io/73-devrel-beyond-developers) & after pulse (https://www.communitypulse.io/73ap)- Jennifer Ritzinger & Matty Stratton Past EOY Wrap-ups * 2017 (https://www.communitypulse.io/19-2017review) * 2018 (https://www.communitypulse.io/31-2018wrapup) * 2019 (https://www.communitypulse.io/43-2019-closing-thoughts) * 2020 (https://www.communitypulse.io/54-end-of-year) * 2021 (https://www.communitypulse.io/64-2021-wrap-up) Enjoy the podcast? Please take a few moments to leave us a review on iTunes (https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/community-pulse/id1218368182?mt=2) and follow us on Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/show/3I7g5WfMSgpWu38zZMjet?si=565TMb81SaWwrJYbAIeOxQ), or leave a review on one of the other many podcasting sites that we're on! Your support means a lot to us and helps us continue to produce episodes every month. Like all things Community, this too takes a village. Photo by Choong Deng Xiang (https://unsplash.com/@dengxiangs?utm_source=unsplash&utm_medium=referral&utm_content=creditCopyText) on Unsplash (https://unsplash.com/@dengxiangs?utm_source=unsplash&utm_medium=referral&utm_content=creditCopyText)

Jason, Mary, PJ and Wesley further the discussion on devrel communities and how we can serve our changing scope of user.

The word “developer” has always been evolving, from assembly to systems, operations, and beyond. The term “Developer Relations” has traditionally meant we're engaging with people who consider themselves full-time professional developers. However, over the past few years, the term “developer” has expanded to encompass more than this professional developer persona. These days, some DevRel teams advocate for, evangelize to, and create communities for SREs, Enterprise Architects, students, or decision-makers in early-stage startups, in addition to low-code or citizen developers. While these people may fall outside of the traditional developer persona, many DevRel teams are looking to support these people who are using our technology for one-off solutions to their problems. We're interested in learning more about whether this changes the scope of DevRel, and if so, how. Checkouts Jennifer Ritzinger * How to Make a Monster: Hollywood Special Effects Makeup With Morgan Muta - Atlas Obscura Experiences (https://www.atlasobscura.com/experiences/special-effects-makeup-course) Matty Stratton * Keyoxide (https://keyoxide.org/) * The Storyteller (https://www.audible.com/pd/The-Storyteller-Audiobook/0063076128) - Audiobook by Dave Grohl * Fall Guys (https://www.fallguys.com/) - silly game I play with my kids Wesley Faulkner * LumaFusion (https://luma-touch.com/lumafusion-on-android/) PJ Hagerty * Clearword (https://clearword.com/) - actions items and the important part of meetings, not just transcription * Spy X Family (https://www.crunchyroll.com/series/G4PH0WXVJ/spy-x-family?from=spyxfamily&utm_source=ip_cr&utm_medium=content_crunchyroll&utm_campaign=titlemarketing_all_spyxfamily) * Don't get COVID Jason Hand * YouTube Shorts (https://www.youtube.com/c/MicrosoftDeveloper/shorts) - on Microsoft Learn Shows & Events * CrossClip (https://crossclip.com) * ArtistWorks (https://www.artistworks.com) Mary Thengvall * PLG + CLG (https://www.commonroom.io/blog/use-product-led-and-community-led-growth-together-for-better-business-outcomes/) Artwork photo by Tim Mossholder (https://unsplash.com/@timmossholder?utm_source=unsplash&utm_medium=referral&utm_content=creditCopyText) on Unsplash (https://unsplash.com/@timmossholder?utm_source=unsplash&utm_medium=referral&utm_content=creditCopyText) Enjoy the podcast? Please take a few moments to leave us a review on iTunes (https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/community-pulse/id1218368182?mt=2) and follow us on Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/show/3I7g5WfMSgpWu38zZMjet?si=565TMb81SaWwrJYbAIeOxQ), or leave a review on one of the other many podcasting sites that we're on! Your support means a lot to us and helps us continue to produce episodes every month. Like all things Community, this too takes a village. Special Guests: Jennifer Ritzinger and Matty Stratton.

Mary, Wesley, and PJ spend time considering their conversation with Amara and Kurt and the implications for a great developer experience.

Developer Experience (DX) has been a buzzword for the past few years and it's only growing in popularity. But what is it exactly, and how is it different from Developer Relations or Developer Advocacy? Also, when we say “Developer Experience” is everyone actually referring to the same topic? Or are there multiple approaches? Checkouts Amara Graham * Highlights/admonitions come to GitHub (https://github.com/community/community/discussions/16925) * Holo Taco nail polish (https://www.holotaco.com/) - not new but wonderful Kurt Kemple * Star Citizen (https://robertsspaceindustries.com/star-citizen), a space game I've been playing Wesley Faulkner * Setting up for success in your next role - where to start (https://www.devrelx.com/post/setting-up-for-success-in-your-next-role-where-to-start) * Lego Masters (https://www.lego.com/en-us/page/lego-masters) PJ Hagerty * Spanish Love Songs - Brave Faces (https://spanishlovesongs.com/products/sls0bfetdc-lp) * LOTR: Rings of Power (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09QH98YG1?ref=dvm_us_dl_sl_go_ROPLAU22_mkw_sX3mket3F-dc&mrntrk=pcrid_618715577193_slid__pgrid_144239414807_pgeo_9027222_x__ptid_kwd-295270512187&gclid=CjwKCAjw79iaBhAJEiwAPYwoCL2PP1kE-ndklqDhYkkOkz5DaBHTeYp2bBbSJPKZS2Be6q7m7Wk7TRoCeHwQAvD_BwE) Mary Thengvall * The 1-3-5 rule (https://www.timedoctor.com/blog/1-3-5-rule/) * Derry Girls (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derry_Girls) (Netflix show) Enjoy the podcast? Please take a few moments to leave us a review on iTunes (https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/community-pulse/id1218368182?mt=2) and follow us on Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/show/3I7g5WfMSgpWu38zZMjet?si=565TMb81SaWwrJYbAIeOxQ), or leave a review on one of the other many podcasting sites that we're on! Your support means a lot to us and helps us continue to produce episodes every month. Like all things Community, this too takes a village. Special Guests: Amara Graham and Kurt Kemple.

In this episode, we say goodbye to our dear friend SJ Morris as co-host of the Community Pulse. Like many of us, sometimes the business of life and work makes it difficult to make time for the things we enjoy or even just time to take care of ourselves. We wanted to take the opportunity to say goodbye to SJ and also to talk about what folks can do to honestly and boldly confront their own burnout in DevRel. Checkouts Jason Hand * Discogs (https://www.discogs.com) - to inventory SJ's vinyl record collection. * Stolen Focus: Why You Can't Pay Attention – and How to Think Deeply Again (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0593138511/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1) by Johann Hari * Think Again: The Power of Knowing What You Don't Know (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1984878107/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1) by Adam Grant Mary Thengvall * Fi GPS dog collar. Use this referral code (https://shop.tryfi.com/r/GG2GJ9/?utm_source=referrals) to get a free “band” (collar) of your choice. SJ Morris * SJ re-discovers vinyl - aka my checkout is just the concept of vinyl records played on turntables PJ Hagerty * Kendrick Lamar's new album - Mr Morale & The Big Steppers * Polyvinyl Records Garage Sale (https://www.polyvinylrecords.com/store/garage_sale_lps) for Pride Month * The Handmaid's Tale (https://www.amazon.com/Handmaids-Tale-Margaret-Atwood/dp/038549081X/ref=sr_1_4?crid=3WOJVBX1YVSB&keywords=the+handmaids+tale&qid=1654602516&sprefix=the+handmaids+tale%2Caps%2C258&sr=8-4) by Margaret Atwood Wesley: * What neurodiversity means for DevRel (https://twitter.com/wesley83/status/1529482672711647243) * The Long Game: How to be a Long-Term Thinker in a Short-Term World (https://www.amazon.com/Long-Game-Long-Term-Thinker-Short-Term/dp/164782057X) by Dorie Clark Enjoy the podcast? Please take a few moments to leave us a review on iTunes (https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/community-pulse/id1218368182?mt=2) and follow us on Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/show/3I7g5WfMSgpWu38zZMjet?si=565TMb81SaWwrJYbAIeOxQ), or leave a review on one of the other many podcasting sites that we're on! Your support means a lot to us and helps us continue to produce episodes every month. Like all things Community, this too takes a village.

Our hosts reflect on their conversation in Episode 68 with Mo and Ashley and cover key takeaways on when to make moves in leadership positions in DevRel. Enjoy the podcast? Please take a few moments to leave us a review on iTunes (https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/community-pulse/id1218368182?mt=2) and follow us on Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/show/3I7g5WfMSgpWu38zZMjet?si=565TMb81SaWwrJYbAIeOxQ), or leave a review on one of the other many podcasting sites that we're on! Your support means a lot to us and helps us continue to produce episodes every month. Like all things Community, this too takes a village.

In the beginning, folks in DevRel had few paths outside of being an Individual Contributor. As our field has evolved, more opportunities have arisen for more strategic roles. DevRel leadership is one of the most sought after roles for many organizations in recent months. What should we look for when considering making the move to strategist versus the out front IC? What can we learn from those who have made that journey? Checkouts Mo McElaney * Heavy in planning mode for my garden this summer! I live in zone 5a so I'm still a month away from being outside the frost zone, but my tulips are popping up, I'm starting my veggie seeds, and starting to prep my garden beds. Ashley Willis * Lara Hogan resources (https://larahogan.me/) * Plucky cards (https://shop.beplucky.com/products/the-plucky-1-1-starter-pack) to use during 1:1s Jason Hand * DevOps on Azure (https://www.youtube.com/c/AzureDevOps) * Azure DevOps Demo Generator (http://jhand.dev/ProjectGenerator) * Azure Cosmos DB Conf (https://www.gotcosmos.com/conf) * Tiny Tina's Wonderlands: Official Site (https://playwonderlands.2k.com/) Mary Thengvall * Energy Management for Newer Managers (https://cate.blog/2022/03/21/energy-management-for-newer-managers/) * Homebird (https://www.amazon.com/stores/WelcometoHomebird/page/7F78757D-2D1E-4BF6-BC15-7456E5943009?ref_=ast_bln) - Awesome window bird feeder and the first visitor has arrived (https://twitter.com/mary_grace/status/1514778133223804934)! PJ Hagerty * DevRelate blog - metrics for success (https://devrelate.io/post/20-measuring-up-metrics-in-developer-relations) * OSMH not OSMI (http://OSMHhelp.org) * Go Raptors! Wesley Faulkner * Podcast: Neurodiversity & Intersectionality: A Disclosure Challenge (https://www.peatworks.org/podcast-neurodiversity-intersectionality-a-disclosure-challenge/) Special Guests: Ashley Willis and Mo McElaney.

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The journey to DevRel is a winding one. We all have our own stories about how we wound up where we are — from intentional plans to happy accidents, as hosts of this podcast we've heard them all. One thing's for sure, y'all's stories are interesting, so we wanted to get together and talk about our journeys — what we have in common, funny anecdotes along the way, and what we can do to uplift the next generation of folks wanting to get started on this wild ride. Related Episodes/Resources * YouTube recording of today's episode (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5ag5HU2Ajs) * Developer Relations Career Ladders (https://www.devrel-ladders.com/) * DevRel Resources (https://devrelresourc.es/) * Breaking into DevRel (Ep 21) (https://www.communitypulse.io/21-breaking-into-devrel) Fill out this form (https://forms.gle/fxdhPAcJuvUxgd8F9) to let us know what you want us to cover in 2022! Enjoy the podcast? Please take a few moments to leave us a review on iTunes (https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/community-pulse/id1218368182?mt=2) and follow us on Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/show/3I7g5WfMSgpWu38zZMjet?si=565TMb81SaWwrJYbAIeOxQ), or leave a review on one of the other many podcasting sites that we're on! Your support means a lot to us and helps us continue to produce episodes every month. Like all things Community, this too takes a village.

DevRel has evolved over the past few years and in this podcast we are talking to the groundbreaking thought leaders who are paving the way for people and organizations who want to follow DevRel best practices. To many people, Developer Relations is the community management for technical audiences, but for others it's a lot more. It's building relationships and fostering trust, it's collecting and relaying feedback to other teams or it's inspiring people to build tools to empower.This week we our guest is Mary Thengvall. Mary is doing it all in DevRell. She is currently the Director of Developer Relations @ Camunda and has written a book, "The Business Value of Developer Relations". She is also sharing her experiences here:Website: marythengvall.comThe Business Value of Developer Relations: persea-consulting.com/bookTwitter: twitter.com/mary_graceCommunity Pulse podcast: communitypulse.ioDevRel Collective Slack community: devrelcollective.funRelevant blogposts we referenced during the show:- DevRel Qualified Leads- Understanding Company Goals

2021 has been a year of ups and downs in the world of DevRel and Community work. From the shifting quicksand of events returning in person, then virtual once again, to the massive opening of job reqs for positions under the DevRel umbrella, it's been a wild ride. We've also tried new things, both on the podcast and personally, and in this episode we will cover our perspectives on the year that was 2021. Links: * Sonder (https://seths.blog/2017/10/the-sonder-breakthrough/) * Top Episodes: * Online Community Platforms (http://www.communitypulse.io/58-online-community-platforms) (Jono Bacon, Noele Flowers) - Episode 58 * DevRel Content Channels (http://www.communitypulse.io/57-devrel-content-channels) (Cassidy Williams, Joe Karlsson) - Episode 57 * DevRel Around the World (http://www.communitypulse.io/59-devrel-around-the-world) - Episode 59 Send in your feedback! Hit us up on Twitter (https://twitter.com/community_pulse) or shoot us an email (info@communitypulse.io). Special shout-out to Sarah Allen for all of the hard work getting the new website up and running. Photo by Moritz Knöringer (https://unsplash.com/@mokngr?utm_source=unsplash&utm_medium=referral&utm_content=creditCopyText) on Unsplash (https://unsplash.com/@mokngr?utm_source=unsplash&utm_medium=referral&utm_content=creditCopyText) Enjoy the podcast? Please take a few moments to leave us a review on iTunes (https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/community-pulse/id1218368182?mt=2) and follow us on Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/show/3I7g5WfMSgpWu38zZMjet?si=565TMb81SaWwrJYbAIeOxQ), or leave a review on one of the other many podcasting sites that we're on! Your support means a lot to us and helps us continue to produce episodes every month. Like all things Community, this too takes a village.

Welcome to the latest episode of the Camunda Nation Podcast, where we go behind the scenes of CamundaCon 2021. To kick off the conversation, Camunda Developer Advocate Niall Deehan first chats with Mary Thengvall, our director of developer relations and CamundaCon moderator. Throughout their conversation, they discuss how she experienced this year's hybrid event from the main stage and why she's excited about the upcoming Camunda Community Summit in 2022. To close out the show, Niall connects with Camunda Community Manager Maria Alcantara about her very first Camunda event and learns more about her key strategies for engaging a remote community. Save your seat for #CamundaSummit 2022. Catch up on your favorite moments and anything you might have missed from #CamundaCon 2021. 

Figuring out what the standard pay is for a DevRel professional can be difficult, especially when considering expectations, experience, and different niche industries within tech. What's the average, what makes sense for the role, what's fair - these are all questions that come to mind when considering compensation for what we do. Luckily, today's guests have gathered some information and crunched the numbers to help you make a more informed approach to what a fair salary is for your role. DevRel Collective 2021 Salary Survey Results (https://dev.to/bffjossy/2021-devrel-salary-survey-results-table-of-contents-43fe) Checkouts Wesley * How do we get sponsors to support our tech event? - DEV Community (https://dev.to/floord/how-do-we-get-sponsors-to-support-our-tech-event-4mej) Mary * DevRelResourc.es (https://devrelresourc.es/) is live! Wesley * Mitchell's New Role at HashiCorp (https://www.hashicorp.com/blog/mitchell-s-new-role-at-hashicorp) SJ * Mailchimp's Engineering Blog (https://mailchimp.com/developer/blog/empowering-developers-empower-underdog/) is now LIVE! Greg * Matrix.org (https://matrix.org/) - Decentralized modern chat * Mozilla's thoughts (http://exple.tive.org/blarg/category/irc/) on Matrix * GNOME's thoughts (https://blog.ergaster.org/) on Matrix Photo by NeONBRAND (https://unsplash.com/@neonbrand?utm_source=unsplash&utm_medium=referral&utm_content=creditCopyText) on Unsplash (https://unsplash.com/@neonbrand?utm_source=unsplash&utm_medium=referral&utm_content=creditCopyText) Enjoy the podcast? Please take a few moments to leave us a review on iTunes (https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/community-pulse/id1218368182?mt=2) and follow us on Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/show/3I7g5WfMSgpWu38zZMjet?si=565TMb81SaWwrJYbAIeOxQ), or leave a review on one of the other many podcasting sites that we're on! Your support means a lot to us and helps us continue to produce episodes every month. Like all things Community, this too takes a village. Special Guests: Greg Sutcliffe and Jocelyn Matthews.

We all know monitoring the health, well-being, and happiness of our community is an incredibly important part of being a community professional, but it’s arguably even more important to monitor those qualities in ourselves — those who take care of the community. Our guest Mary Thengvall is one of the foremost vanguards of this movement. Watch the YouTube HERE: https://youtu.be/QLHICsxwDjY   ABOUT OUR GUEST   Mary Thengvall is a connector of people at heart, personally and professionally. She loves digging into the strategy of how to build and foster developer communities and has been doing so for over 10 years. Mary is the Director of Developer Relations at Camunda, an open source process automation platform. She's the author of the first book on Developer Relations: The Business Value of Developer Relations (© 2018, Apress). Don't forget to subscribe to Educative Sessions on YouTube! ►► https://bit.ly/39sIrUN   ABOUT EDUCATIVE   Educative (educative.io) provides interactive and adaptive courses for software developers. Whether it’s beginning to learn to code, grokking the next interview, or brushing up on frontend coding, data science, or cybersecurity, Educative is changing how developers continue their education. Stay relevant through our pre-configured learning environments that adapt to match a developer’s skill level. Educative provides the best author platform for instructors to create interactive and adaptive content in only a few clicks.   More Videos from Educative Sessions: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCT_8FqzTIr2Q1BOtvX_DPPw/   Episode 44: "The Care and Monitoring of You" with Mary Thengvall of Camunda | Educative Sessions

In this episode, we chat with Mary Thengvall, Director of Developer Relations at Camunda. We talk about her process of creating a DevRel strategy, the risks of setting wrong goals for the team, why DevRel teams fail, and preventing burnouts. She also shares some advice for folks looking to start their DevRel career. Featuring: Mary Thengvall (https://twitter.com/mary_grace) Hosts: Tanay Pant (https://twitter.com/tanay1337)

Mary Thengvall is a connector of people at heart, personally and professionally. She loves digging into the strategy of how to build and foster developer communities and has been doing so for over 10 years. Mary is the Director of Developer Relations at Camunda. She's the author of the first book on Developer Relations: The Business Value of Developer Relations (© 2018, Apress).Mary has been working remotely for many years and in this episode, she shares her best productivity hacks. She also shares about her team's flexible working hours and tips for not burning out. You don't want to miss it!!Connect with Mary:Website: http://marygrace.community/Twitter: @mary_gracePodcast: https://www.communitypulse.io/Connect with me:Join my FREE Side Hustle Challenge: https://www.accountabilibuddyforhire.com/freebiesPlease reach out to me to connect and let me know your thoughts on this episode!Website: https://www.accountabilibuddyforhire.com/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/accountabilibuddyforhire/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/AccountabilibuddyForHireFacebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/prettysurewecandobetter/

Panelists Matt Broberg | Nicole Huesman | Foundjem Armstrong Guests Mary Thengvall (https://podcast.chaoss.community/guests/mary-thengvall) Show Notes [00:01:48] Mary tells us all about herself and her job. [00:03:05] We find out from Mary what DevRel is. [00:05:20] Nicole asks Mary to talk the DevRel position being such a unique position and often people may want to apply traditional marketing metrics to the role and sometimes that doesn’t really work, so she explains why. [00:11:17] Matt wants to know how Mary handles the organization that is so used to trying to build these metaphorical engines everywhere and how do you try to explain DevRel from a data perspective if you don’t have the same easy metaphor available to you. She brings up the “Orbit Model.” [00:17:53] Armstrong asks Mary if this is a different kind of MetaMetrics that captures different forms of metrics and tries to present it to a different audience. [00:22:17] Mary tells us her thoughts on the whole notion of the unintended consequences of metrics or measurement, which is always a hot topic. [00:29:06] We learn how management measures Mary’s success and how does she evaluate her performance. [00:32:10] Mary tells us what she would like to see from the CHAOSS Project and how does she see the CHAOSS Project being helpful from a DevRel perspective. Picks [00:35:08] Mary has two picks: a book called, Working in Public, _by Nadia Eghbal and a video game, _Horizon Zero Dawn. [00:36:53 Armstrong’s pick is Ordy cartoon. [00:37:38] Nicole has two picks: I AM C-3PO and A Famous Dog’s Life (Audiobooks). [00:38:48] Matt’s pick is the research of George Lakoff and his book, _Metaphors We Live By. _ Sponsor Honeybadger (https://www.honeybadger.io/) Links CHAOSS Project (https://chaoss.community/) CHAOSS Project Twitter (https://twitter.com/chaossproj?lang=en) Mary Thengvall Website/Blog (https://www.marythengvall.com/) Mary Thengvall Twitter (https://twitter.com/mary_grace?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor) Mary Thengvall Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/candidcrafts) Camunda (https://camunda.com/) The Business Value of Developer Relations by Mary Thengvall (https://www.persea-consulting.com/book) The Orbit Model-GitHub (https://github.com/orbit-love/orbit-model) “DevRel Qualified Leads: Repurposing A Common Business Metric To Prove Value,” by Mary Thengvall (https://www.marythengvall.com/blog/2019/12/14/devrel-qualified-leads-repurposing-a-common-business-metrics-to-prove-value) Working in Public: The Making and Maintenance of Open Source Software by Nadia Eghbal (https://www.amazon.com/Working-Public-Making-Maintenance-Software/dp/0578675862) [Horizon Zero Dawn-Steam](https://store.steampowered.com/app/1151640/HorizonZeroDawnCompleteEdition/) Ordy Cartoon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C4%ABmu_Iro_Iro_Yume_no_Tabi) [I AM C-3PO (Audiobook)](https://www.amazon.com/I-Am-C-3PO-Anthony-Daniels-JJ-Abrams/dp/B07YSWW72T/ref=tmmaudswatch0?encoding=UTF8&qid=1600285679&sr=8-1-spons) [A Famous Dog’s Life (Audiobook)](https://www.amazon.com/Famous-Dogs-Life-Americas-Chihuahua/dp/B00DBD4F2W/ref=sr11?dchild=1&keywords=A+famous+dogs+life&qid=1600285744&s=audible&sr=1-1) Metaphors We Live By- George Lakoff (https://georgelakoff.com/books/metaphors-we-live-by/) George Lakoff Website (https://georgelakoff.com/) Special Guest: Mary Thengvall.

Mary Thengvall is the Director of Developer Relations at Camunda and the author of the book, The Business Value of Developer Relations. In this episode, Mary and David cover what it means for a business to build a community and a developer relations program. Mary shares her wisdom on how to build a community team and how she developed a career path for her community team at Camunda. This career path is based on her three pillars of developer relations and has a structured way of determining when her team members are ready to take on a new stage in their career. She describes the different levels that they use, that you can use for your own community teams. Mary introduces the idea of Community Qualified Leads that will help community professionals track and share their impact on their company. Who is this episode for?: In person and online, starting their communities 3 key takeaways: - How to measures the successes of a community team using “CQLs” and how to share this information to ensure that the company can see the tangible impact of their community team - The different roles within a Developer Relations team and how to hire the right people for each role - How Mary has structured the career path for her DevRel team at Camunda based on four distinct stages that all support her three pillars of Developer Relations: Developer Advocacy, Developer Experience, and Developer Community

Mary Thengvall is the Director of Developer Relations at Camunda and the author of the book, The Business Value of Developer Relations. In this episode, Mary and David cover what it means for a business to build a community and a developer relations program. Mary shares her wisdom on how to build a community team and how she developed a career path for her community team at Camunda. This career path is based on her three pillars of developer relations and has a structured way of determining when her team members are ready to take on a new stage in their career. She describes the different levels that they use, that you can use for your own community teams. Mary introduces the idea of Community Qualified Leads that will help community professionals track and share their impact on their company. Who is this episode for?: In person and online, starting their communities 3 key takeaways: - How to measures the successes of a community team using “CQLs” and how to share this information to ensure that the company can see the tangible impact of their community team - The different roles within a Developer Relations team and how to hire the right people for each role - How Mary has structured the career path for her DevRel team at Camunda based on four distinct stages that all support her three pillars of Developer Relations: Developer Advocacy, Developer Experience, and Developer Community

Trick question of the week: Is the funnel, AAARRRP or Orbit the best framework for your metrics? This week, we're back to discussing metrics. Always a difficult subject, as still, there is no perfect recipe for DevRel metrics. The most popular frameworks are: "Devrel Qualified Leads" which we discussed with Mary Thengvall in our first episode "The funnel", which has been long used in "traditional" marketing  "AAARRRP framework" aka "Pirate Metrics" and The Orbit model, which Josh Dzielak presents in our latest episode. Why is the Orbit model a better fit for DevRel, compared to the funnel? Well, for starters, it also considers the big impact of the community. Something that the funnel does not. Does the Orbit model have enough gravity to be your favourite? Listen to the episode and find out. Josh Dzielak is a software engineer for over 15 years. He enjoys building tools for developers and creating resources that help ensure their success. Currently, he's the co-founder of Orbit, helping companies win the hearts and minds of developers. Previously, he was the Developer Relations Lead at Algolia, the VP Engineering at Keen IO and a principal engineer at Disney. Why the Orbit Model is better than the Funnel for Developer Relations (https://orbit.love/blog/why-orbit-is-better-than-funnel-for-developer-relations?utm_source=UnderTheHoodofDeveloperMarketing&utm_medium=Podcast_Ep_Description)

No matter what you call this role — developer community manager, developer evangelist, developer advocate, developer relations, or, cheekily, developer avocado — it's got two things in common. It's one of the most expensive, travel-heavy roles in a tech org and it's one of the hardest to measure. That combination means metrics often make or break your job. But first, what is this role? Good question to which there are many, many answers. In this episode of The New Stack Makers, Camunda's Director of Developer Relations Mary Thengvall talked about her definition. And she should know, she wrote the book on the business case for developer relations. To her, the DevRel arena is "anyone who is responsible for enabling developer audiences and making them successful.

Mary Thengvall comes on to talk about what Developer Relations is, how it works, where it should report in, what success looks like, and much more.

Communities are people who not only share common principles, but who also develop and share practices that help individuals in the group thrive. DevRel means building communities for technical audiences.If you want to know about DevRel and community building, you need to know about Mary Thengvall and her host of curated, authored, and spoken content covering these critical topics.Mary and Ledge talk authenticity, career paths, relationships, and much more in this deep dive episode. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Building communities is harder than it sounds, but they’re really nothing new. Humans have been forming communities since we’ve existed, so it’s only natural that technical communities are a thing, but they certainly have their unique challenges. How do you grow a technical community? How do you keep everyone happy and resolve arguments peacefully? How do you keep a community from stagnating? If you’re an organization trying to start a community around your product, how do you measure results? Mary Thengvall and I chat about her experiences with technical community growth and management on this week’s episode.

In the second episode of Newsletterers I interviewed Mary Thengvall who publishes DevRel Weekly. The newsletter is an extension of her long career in tech community management and developer advocacy and started as a way to start filling some of the resource gaps that she identified in her own come up. In the process of … Continue reading DevRel Weekly with Mary Thengvall – Newsletterers – The Tim Show – S02E02 →

Mary Thengvall joins us on our first episode along with SlashData CEO Andreas Constantinou to discuss developer marketing and developer relations, their importance and the trends coming in 2019.  Our book " (https://www.developer-marketing.com/) "

In the news; Elastic Support helps you mitigate the 'runc' vulnerability in ECE environments, a minor version is released with several bug and security fixes, and the Elasticsearch Service Private Subscription is now available in our Cloud services. Aaron chats with Chloe Condon (@chloecondon), Microsoft Cloud Advocate; Jono Bacon (@jonobacon), consultant and community leader; and Mary Thengvall (@marygrace), Persea Consulting and author of "The Business Value of Developer Relations" about the state of Developer Relations. Listen to find out what community means to them and what it is we do and the value that provides for both the community members and the companies that employ them. Links and additional notes found at https://theelasticast.com/episodes/0014-community/

Mary talks about her new book, The Business Value of Developer Relations: How and Why Technical Communities are Key to Your Success. Check it out! https://www.amazon.com/Business-Value-Developer-Relations-Communities-ebook/dp/B07FKFQ1NK

Listen to our conversation with Mary Thengvall about her book: The Business Value of Developer Relations.

Guests J. Paul Reed and Mary Thengvall talk about resiliency, safety, and a great new conference - REdeploy

Guests J. Paul Reed and Mary Thengvall talk about resiliency, safety, and a great new conference - REdeploy

Every community professional has had the challenge of explaining their role and job duties to others within their organization. For many of us, that means always being prepared with qualitative and quantitative anecdotes that ladder up to our company’s mission and goals. In this episode of Community Signal, Mary Thengvall explains the importance of tailoring the message of what we do to the person we’re speaking with, whether it’s our boss, the CEO, or CFO. If you’re in need of tips or new inspiration on how to prove the value of your work to your organization (and yourself!), Patrick and Mary provide an important reminder that you are your own best advocate and that means taking initiative to know and explain your team’s contributions. Mary shares the story of her job path through community, and how a one-year experiment at O’Reilly Media led to a career in developer relations. Patrick and Mary also discuss: Mary’s thinking around “time-to-value” The worst public firing in community history The different causes of burnout for community professionals Our Podcast is Made Possible By… If you enjoy our show, please know that it’s only possible with the generous support of our sponsors: Higher Logic and Structure3C. Big Quotes “About three years into my eight-year stint [at O’Reilly Media], I started asking a lot of questions [about] the topics people want to hear about. How do we know this is the right topic to pursue? How do we know these are the topics people want to know about at conferences or books or webinars and all those types of things? Being the early twenties person that I was, I fully embodied the squeaky wheel and kept asking those questions and kept trying to figure out, okay … our reviewers are saying those are great, but how do we know it’s actually what our community wants?” –@mary_grace “It’s difficult anytime you get rid of a community team. To me the biggest thing [about O’Reilly Media firing two community managers at a conference was] that there wasn’t an understanding of the value that the team brought to the table, and when you don’t understand that value a lot of what you can see is you attend all these events and you go to all these places. We spend a lot of money on all those sponsorships and we don’t have a direct way to say, ‘That adds value to the company because of X, Y, Z.'” –@mary_grace “I think it comes back to if the stakeholders don’t understand the value that [community] brings, and that might be their fault, that might be the community team’s fault, that might be a combination of things. If they don’t actually understand the value that you bring to the table as a community person, then they’re going to make the best business decision that they can make and the impact that it’s going to have on the community isn’t even going to be a thought in their minds, because they don’t understand that there’s value in the impact that that team has on the community.” –@mary_grace “Time-to-value is this interesting concept of how long does it take someone to hit that first milestone after they’ve signed up for your product. … Shortening that span of time makes it easier for your customer, it makes it easier for the community member, makes it easier and gives you that much more potential for that individual signing up for a full-blown account, because they can see just how easy it is and just how good of an experience they can have on your platform.” –@mary_grace “Having a manager who not only understands the value of developer relations but can articulate that is key, I believe. Otherwise, we land in these situations where the team is not only trying to prove their value to the higher ups and stakeholders but they’re also trying to prove their value to their manager. That’s a really, really difficult situation for anyone to be in. … If you have someone who understands the value of DevRel and can keep you going on that straight and narrow, you don’t get pulled into handling the latest 10 support tickets or being the technical support on the sales call or helping marketing with the rebranding of the website.” –@mary_grace About Mary Thengvall Mary Thengvall is a connector of people at heart, both personally and professionally. She loves digging into the strategy of how to build and foster developer communities and has been doing so for over 10 years. In addition to her work, Mary is known for being “the one with the dog,” thanks to her ever-present medical alert service dog Ember. She’s the author of She’s the author of The Business Value of Developer Relations, coming later this year from Apress. Mary is founder and co-host of Community Pulse,, a podcast for developer relations professionals. She curates DevRel Weekly, a weekly newsletter featuring a curated list of articles, job postings, and events. Mary is the founding member and “Benevolent Queen” of the Evangelist Collective Slack team, and a member of Prompt, a non-profit that encourages people to openly talk about mental illness in tech. She speaks at various conferences and events about building and fostering technical communities as well as how to prevent burnout. Related Links Sponsor: Structure3C, expert community strategy for large organizations Sponsor: Higher Logic, the community platform for community managers Mary Thengvall’s website Mary on Twitter The Business Value of Developer Relations Community Pulse, a podcast for Developer Relations professionals DevRel Weekly, a weekly newsletter featuring articles and job postings The Evangelist Collective Slack Prompt, a non-profit that encourages a dialogue around mental illness in tech O’Reilly Media, where Mary began her career in developer relations Laura Baldwin, president of O’Reilly Media Ignite, a series of speedy presentations Chef Software Transcript View transcript on our website Your Thoughts If you have any thoughts on this episode that you’d like to share, please leave me a comment, send me an email or a tweet. If you enjoy the show, we would be so grateful if you spread the word and supported Community Signal on Patreon.

One thing I'm learning is that the people who use planners are often as passionate about them as I am. We'll talk about one such encounter from this past weekend's travels, as well as review one that the Wombat Test Subject picked up while she was out today. Finally, we'll wrap things up by talking to the always amazing Mary Thengvall! Links for This Episode: Mary Thengvall dot com Mary Thengvall on Twitter Mary's Medical Service Dog Ember on Twitter Erin Condren LifePlanner(tm) Forrest Asana Timeboost Download this Episode

Your hosts Jason Hand, Mary Thengvall, and PJ Hagerty in conversation with guests Jessica Fish and John Willis on the topic of Burnout in the DevRel community.

Your hosts Jason Hand, Mary Thengvall, and PJ Hagerty in conversation with guests Jessica Fish and John Willis on the topic of Burnout in the DevRel community.

Get to know the hosts of the new Community Pulse podcast: Jason Hand and Mary Thengvall.

Get to know the hosts of the new Community Pulse podcast: Jason Hand and Mary Thengvall.