Podcasts about developer relations

Neste episódio do LowOpsCast, o papo é com Julia Furst Morgado, CNCF Ambassador, Community Manager OpenTelemetry, AWS Container Hero, Docker Captain, organizadora do KCD New York e palestrante internacional.Mas antes dos títulos e das comunidades globais, a conversa começa pela pessoa.A Julia tem uma trajetória diferente daquelas que parecem roteiro pronto de carreira em tecnologia. Ela começou no Direito no Brasil, estudou negócios na UC Berkeley, passou por marketing e, em 2022, entrou de vez na área tech. Um caminho nada linear, mas cheio de repertório, comunicação, estratégia e coragem para mudar de rota.Hoje, ela atua como Principal Developer Relations Engineer na Dash0, ajudando pessoas desenvolvedoras a adotarem OpenTelemetry e criarem fluxos práticos de observabilidade. Também participa ativamente da comunidade OpenTelemetry e de diversas iniciativas cloud native ao redor do mundo.Neste episódio, a gente conversa sobre:- Transição de carreira para tecnologia- Como transformar uma trajetória não linear em vantagem- Comunidade, pertencimento e construção de confiança- Developer Relations e o papel de educar, conectar e apoiar pessoas- OpenTelemetry e observabilidade na prática- Cloud Native, Kubernetes, Docker e AWS- Como é palestrar internacionalmente em diferentes idiomas- Organização de eventos como KCD New York, AWS Community Day NY e CNCF Meetup NYCTambém iremos falar sobre carreira internacional, open source, desafios de entrar em tecnologia vindo de outra área e a importância de não se excluir só porque o caminho parece diferente do “padrão”.Esse episódio é sobre tecnologia, sim.Mas também é sobre coragem, curiosidade, comunidade e sobre entender que não existe uma única forma certa de construir uma carreira em tech.Se você está em transição de carreira, trabalha com DevOps, SRE, Cloud Native, observabilidade, open source ou quer entender melhor o papel de comunidade na evolução profissional, esse episódio vai fazer muito sentido.Links compartilhados pela Julia:https://www.juliafmorgado.com/posts/the-complete-guide-to-ace-your-next-networking-coffee-chat/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHAXlDu49rEhttps://github.com/juliafmorgado

In this episode, Dan Moore from FusionAuth breaks down how the company integrated Permify after the acquisition. We talk about customer communication, pricing and packaging, migration planning, internal enablement, and the practical work that turns an acquisition into a successful product integration.Links:   •  FusionAuth   •  Permify   •  Dan Moore on Bluesky

In this episode, Joel Griffith, founder of browserless, shares how he built browserless from a painful browser automation problem into a profitable, bootstrapped DevTools company. We cover the first customer, content-led growth, selling to developers, and the realities of building a durable software business.Links:   • Joel's LinkedIn    • browserless    •  Browserless' YouTube   •  Browserless' blog   •  Browserless' Linkedin

In this episode of Community Pulse, we discuss the challenge DevRel teams face when raising concerns internally. Because they're closely connected to the developer community, they often spot issues before anyone else. Speaking up too often can make them seem overly negative or resistant to change. We explore how to communicate concerns effectively, maintain credibility with stakeholders, and continue advocating for the community without becoming “the person who always pumps the brakes.” Checkouts Wesley Faulkner Work's Not Working - A community for those struggling in the workplace to get real help instead of platitudes. Get suggestions from other people that are dealing with the same struggles that you are facing to get real support. Against Empathy - The book draws on the distinctions between empathy, compassion, and moral decision making. Jason Hand High Agency In 30 Minutes Datadog Community YouTube The State of AI Engineering Report Mary Thengvall Monte Williams - ALEU Leadership Development Project Hail Mary - book is amazing; audiobook narrator (Ray Porter) is phenomenal; and the movie holds up to the book - triple threat! Melissa Appel Re-reading Designing your Life - it uses design thinking, and especially prototyping / experimentation to help you figure out what's next in your professional or personal life Jonan Scheffler Zen Mind, Beginner's Mind - Shinryu Suzuki Drive, Dan Pink: Autonomy, Mastery, Purpose DM me if you're in Berlin, I'll buy you a beer. Enjoy the podcast? Please take a few moments to leave us a review on iTunes and follow us on Spotify, or leave a review on one of the other many podcasting sites that we're on! Your support means a lot to us and helps us continue to produce episodes every month. Like all things Community, this too takes a village. Artwork photo by Nick Nice on UnsplashSpecial Guests: Jonan Scheffler and Melissa Appel.

In this episode, some of Cloudflare's dev team - Sunil Pai, Matt Carey, and Thomas Ankcorn join us from AI Engineers Europe to discuss code mode, radical simplicity and Pi.Links:- Cloudflare - Sunil Pai - Matt Carey - Thomas Ankcorn 

In this episode of the Shift AI Podcast, Kurtis Kemple, Senior Director of Developer Relations at Slack (Salesforce), joins host Boaz Ashkenazy for a wide-ranging conversation on how Slackbot is evolving into a full agentic platform for human-AI collaboration in the flow of work.Kurtis shares his extraordinary personal journey, from growing up in poverty in Northern New Jersey, dropping out of school, struggling with addiction, and spending over six years incarcerated, to teaching himself to code in prison with nothing but a textbook and a computer with no internet. From there, he built a career in tech that has taken him to one of the most prominent roles in developer relations at Salesforce.The conversation dives deep into how Slackbot is becoming far more than a simple assistant. Kurtis demonstrates how skills, canvases, and MCP connectors transform Slackbot into a powerful orchestration layer where multiple agents and humans collaborate in threads, channels, and workflows. He explains how Slack is positioning itself as the interface for agentic AI, whether that means connecting to Agentforce, GitHub, PagerDuty, or custom-built tools.Boaz and Kurtis explore the concept of bounded autonomy, the idea that agents should earn expanded capabilities through demonstrated consistency, much like onboarding a new employee. They discuss how ambient agents, gamified learning experiences, and personal productivity skills are already transforming day-to-day work for teams using Slack internally at Salesforce.This episode is essential listening for developers, team leads, and anyone building or deploying AI agents who wants to understand why the orchestration layer matters more than any single model, and how the future of work is being shaped inside the tools we already use every day.Chapters[00:00] From Poverty to Prison to Tech: Kurtis's Journey[04:28] Learning to Code Behind Bars with No Internet[06:39] Landing at Salesforce and Second Chances in Hiring[07:11] First Job: The Kemple Kids Shoveling Snow[08:48] The Role: Slackbot, DevRel, and the Agentic Platform Vision[11:35] Multi-Party Collaboration: Agents and Humans in Threads[12:43] Why Slack Is the Orchestration Layer for AI[15:25] Skills Deep Dive: Building and Using Custom Skills[18:32] Context from Conversations: Slack as a Living Repository[20:29] Canvases, Writing Styles, and Seamless Workflows[22:08] Customer Success Stories: Linear, Engine, and Design Partners[25:22] Human-Agent Orchestration vs. Agent-to-Agent Orchestration[28:45] Ambient Agents: The Tidy Skill and Chief of Staff[33:06] Building Trust Through Bounded Autonomy[34:22] Design Partners: Linear, GitHub, and Graceful Degradation[39:11] Slack Platform Power Up: Gamified Learning with Skills[42:37] The Future of Work: Boundedness and Agency[45:04] AI for Everyone: Small Models, Big Access, Edge Intelligence[47:08] What's Next: Slack Developer Day (May 20) and BeyondConnect with Kurtis KempleLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kurtiskemple/Email: curtiskemple@gmail.comGitHub: https://github.com/kurtiskempleConnect with Boaz AshkenazyLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/boazashkenazy/Email: info@shiftai.fm

In this episode, Maggie Appleton from GitHub Next explains why "single player" AI tools are creating a team alignment crisis. We discuss the shift from solo CLI instances to multiplayer agentic environments, the launch of ACE (Agentic Collaboration Environment), and why the future of software isn't just about writing code faster—it's about using proactive agents to bridge the gap between developers, researchers, and the social fabric of a company.This was recorded at AI Engineer Europe.Links:Maggie Appleton https://maggieappleton.com/GitHub Next https://githubnext.com/

I sat down with Ian from the World Foundation to dig into one of the most pressing problems of our time, how do you prove you're a real human online without sacrificing your privacy? As AI floods the internet with bots and agents, the gap between human and machine interaction is closing fast. Ian walks me through how World ID and the Orb device let anyone verify their humanity using advanced cryptography, completely anonymously, no passport scans, no email addresses, no data sitting on some server you don't control. We also get into Ian's wild journey from GPU mining and Constitution DAO to building at World, and why the current KYC and AML model is a problem for both users and platforms. This is a conversation about identity, privacy, and what it means to be human in a world where most internet traffic won't be. Connect: World Foundation Website: https://world.org Twitter/X, World: https://x.com/worldnetwork Web3 with Sam Kamani: https://www.web3pod.xyz/ Key points:• [00:00] Sam introduces Ian from the World Foundation and the episode's focus on digital identity in the AI age• [02:30] Ian's background: crypto-adjacent upbringing, GPU mining with family, selling a Bitcoin at $600• [05:00] Ian drops out of college during COVID, starts a startup, gets pulled into crypto through Constitution DAO• [08:00] What World is: a way to prove you're a real human online, completely anonymously, using the Orb device• [11:00] Why this matters now: bots and agents already make up 60–70% of crypto trading traffic, and it's growing• [14:00] World ID vs KYC/AML: not a replacement for regulated compliance, but a privacy-first alternative for situations where KYC isn't legally required• [17:00] Why both users and platforms suffer under current KYC models, GDPR compliance burden, data exposure, trust issues• [20:00] How World ID solves the same human-verification problem more privately and with a better user experienceDisclaimer:Nothing mentioned in this podcast is investment advice and please do your own research. It would mean a lot if you can leave a review of this podcast on Apple Podcasts or Spotify and share this podcast with a friend. Be a guest on the podcast or contact us - https://www.web3pod.xyz/

In this episode, Kyle Galbraith from Depot shares the story behind building Depot CI and why traditional infrastructure is "crumbling" under the weight of AI-generated code. We discuss the shift from human-centric pipelines to agent-augmented workflows, the challenge of managing a 10x increase in code volume, and Kyle's perspective on the rising tech hubs across Europe.Links:- Depot - Kyle Galbraith 

In this episode, hostsCarl Alexander and guest Diana Todia discuss neurodiversity in tech and the role of Developer Relations, emphasizing the importance of community support, open source contributions, and the growing significance of OpenTelemetry for observability.

In this episode, Zack Proser and Nick Nisi from WorkOS share what they've learned from building real-world AI tools and running high-impact workshops for AI engineers. We talk about finding "developer balance" by feeding biometric data into LLMs, the evolution of "skills" as a software primitive, and how to build seamless agentic loops that connect Slack, Linear, and Notion to eliminate context switching.Links:- WorkOS - Zack Proser - Nick Nisi 

In this episode, Karl Hughes from Draft.dev shares what he learned from surveying DevTools marketers about budgets, AI, content, and ROI. We talk about budgets, AI workflows, content strategy, distribution, and why events and human relationships still drive some of the best results in developer marketing.Links:   •  Draft.dev    •  Karl Hughes   •  Karl's LinkedIn

Are AI glasses finally having their iPhone moment?In this episode of Metavertising, Ely Santos sits down with Oscar Falmer, Wearables Developer Advocate at Meta, to unpack why Meta AI glasses are gaining real consumer traction after years of AR hype, headset experiments, and false starts.Oscar has spent nearly a decade in XR, previously working in Developer Relations at Apple and Snap, helping developers build AR experiences for mobile, social platforms, and wearable devices. Now at Meta, he supports developers creating content for Meta AI glasses.Together, we explore why the winning form factor may not be full AR glasses yet, but lightweight AI glasses that people actually want to wear every day.In this episode, we cover:Why mobile AR and social AR were important stepping stones, but never the final form.Why AI glasses are working now: lightweight design, long battery life, camera, audio, and multimodal AI.The most valuable use cases today, from hands-free memories to real-time contextual assistance.How developers can build for Meta Ray-Ban glasses using camera, microphone, speakers, and phone-based processing.Why developers should not ignore the massive non-display smart glasses audience.Where the money is today: client work, museums, venues, enterprise, factory workers, and AI-powered tour guides.What developers need to know about privacy, LEDs, recording safeguards, and responsible use.Oscar's smart glasses industry tracker, and what it reveals about hardware, optics, controllers, SDKs, and China's fast-moving ecosystem.Why China may offer a glimpse into where smart glasses and wearables are heading next.If you're a developer, founder, marketer, museum innovator, or brand strategist trying to understand the next computing platform, this episode is a practical look at what is real, what is coming, and where the opportunity may be.Guest: Oscar Falmer — Wearables Developer Advocate at MetaHost: Ely Santos — Metavertising PodcastFollow Oscar Falmer on LinkedIn and X/Twitter.Follow Ely Santos on LinkedIn.

In the episode Charity Majors, founder and CTO of Honeycomb, talks about what changes when the cost of generating code drops toward zero. She explains why observability becomes the source of truth, why great products still depend on taste, and how fast feedback loops let teams ship faster without breaking everything.We also get into why engineering teams need to speak in terms of business value, and how Charity thinks about writing, credibility, and building a public voice as a technical founder.Links:   •  Honeycomb   •  Charity's blog   •  Observability Engineering book

Jakub Czakon (Kuba) was until very recently the CMO of Neptune.ai, which was just acquired by OpenAI for an undisclosed amount. He also writes Developer Markepear - my favourite DevTools marketing resource.Links:Developer MarkepearDeveloper Marketing CommunityJakub's linkedin

In this episode, Ronald and Jan are joined by Nigel Douglas, Head of Developer Relations at Cloudsmith, to discuss the upcoming Kubernetes 1.36 release and the broader evolution of the Kubernetes ecosystem.Nigel shares his journey from help desk and cybersecurity roles into open source, eventually working closely with Kubernetes through projects like Calico and Falco within the CNCF ecosystem. The conversation centers around Kubernetes 1.36, which marks a shift from foundational features toward optimization and new use cases. A major theme in this release is the growing importance of AI workloads. Kubernetes is increasingly positioned as the orchestration platform for AI, with features like Dynamic Resource Allocation (DRA) enabling better management of GPUs and specialized hardware. Security is another dominant theme. Many of the changes in this release focus on closing gaps and improving control, such as more fine-grained authorization, better admission control during node startup, and addressing previously existing vulnerabilities. Additionally, the episode highlights several practical improvements, including better snapshot capabilities for stateful workloads, enhanced observability features like native histograms, and improvements in workload scheduling that take hardware topology into account. The discussion also touches on a common challenge in the Kubernetes world: upgrading. Many organizations still run older versions due to the complexity of dependencies and ecosystem changes, making transitions non-trivial. Looking ahead, Nigel emphasizes the need for more standardization within Kubernetes to make it easier for organizations to adapt when components change or become deprecated, reinforcing the importance of a stable and predictable ecosystem. ‍Stuur ons een bericht.ACC ICT Specialist in IT-CONTINUÏTEIT Bedrijfskritische applicaties én data veilig beschikbaar, onafhankelijk van derden, altijd en overalSupport the showLike and subscribe! It helps out a lot.You can also find us on:De Nederlandse Kubernetes Podcast - YouTubeNederlandse Kubernetes Podcast (@k8spodcast.nl) | TikTokDe Nederlandse Kubernetes PodcastWhere can you meet us:EventsThis Podcast is powered by:ACC ICT - IT-Continuïteit voor Bedrijfskritische Applicaties | ACC ICT

In this episode of The Broadband Bunch, host Pete Pizzutillo explores the IT infrastructure, automation, and AI systems that power the subscriber experience. He is joined by John Capobianco, Head of AI and Developer Relations at Itential, for a conversation about what is happening inside the network. John explains how network automation has progressed from early scripting to AI-driven orchestration. Real-world examples show how changes that once required days can now be completed in minutes, reducing risk and minimizing human error. Core network orchestration emerges as a critical priority, carrying just as much weight as innovation at the access layer. AI agents take a central role in the discussion, with a focus on how they enable autonomous operations such as detection, remediation, and closed-loop workflows. The conversation also highlights the rise of DIY automation, open-source innovation, and model context protocol, which allows engineers to interact with complex systems using natural language. Trust, guardrails, and workforce impact round out the episode. John shares practical guidance for operators looking to adopt AI, emphasizing simple starting points that build confidence and deliver immediate value.

Matt Aitken is the cofounder and CEO of Trigger.dev - an AI workflows platform. Links:- Trigger.dev- Matt Aitken - AIE Europe 

Recorded at AI Engineers Europe, Lawrence Jones is an AI engineer at Incident.io and he shares his experiences building an AI SRE. Links:- Incident.io https://incident.io/- Lawrence Jones https://www.linkedin.com/in/lawrence2jones/ 

SUMMARY: The RAG (Retrieval Augmented Generation) pattern is one of the most frequently used to augment LLMs with context-specific information. Let's explore RAG. GUEST: Roie Schwaber-Cohen, Head of Developer Relations at PineconeSHOW: 1018SHOW TRANSCRIPT: The Reasoning Show #1018 TranscriptSHOW VIDEO: https://youtu.be/-kZZEMR341QSHOW SPONSORS:Nasuni - Activate your data for AI and request a demoShareGate - ShareGate Protect. Microsoft 365 Governance, we got this!SHOW NOTES:Topic 1 - Welcome to the show. Tell us a little bit about your background, and what you focus on these days at Pinecone Topic 2 - Let's begin by talking about RAG systems. What are they? Why do companies choose to use them? What benefits do they provide in AI systems?Topic 3 - At a high level, RAG sounds straightforward—retrieve relevant context, generate an answer. But in practice, where does it break first as systems scale?Topic 4 - I've heard that RAG systems can return answers that are technically correct but fundamentally wrong. What's a concrete example of that happening in production—and why does it slip past most teams?Topic 5 - In traditional systems, we assume there's a single source of truth. But in enterprise environments, ‘truth' is often versioned, contextual, and conflicting. How should teams rethink ‘truth' when building AI systems?Topic 6 - A lot of teams assume their knowledge base is ‘good enough' for RAG. What do they usually underestimate about the messiness of real enterprise data?Topic 7 - There's a growing narrative that better reasoning models can compensate for weaker retrieval. From what you've seen, where does that idea fall apart?Topic 8 - If correctness depends on things like timing, policy scope, or configuration, how should teams design systems that understand context—not just content?Topic 9 - Looking ahead, what replaces today's RAG architectures? What patterns are emerging among teams that are actually getting this right?”FEEDBACK?Email: show @ reasoning dot showBluesky: @reasoningshow.bsky.socialTwitter/X: @ReasoningShowInstagram: @reasoningshowTikTok: @reasoningshow

Brett Terpstra previews his Macstock Conference and Expo session focused on Markdown, explaining how it simplifies writing, publishing, and archiving content. He highlights its portability, ease of use, and growing relevance with AI tools. His presentation will covers Markdown editor, practical workflows from idea to publication, and new utilities that enhance productivity while reducing reliance on complex word processors. Today's MacVoices is supported by TV+ Talk, our MacVoices series with Charlotte Henry focused on Apple TV+. From shows and other content to the business side there's always something to learn about apple's streaming service. Find it at the Categories listings on the web site or go directly to macvoices.com/category/tv-talk. Show Notes: Chapters: 0:00 Introduction to MacStock series and guest1:38 Brett's session topic: Markdown overview2:46 What Markdown is and why it matters4:18 Tools and editors for writing Markdown5:41 Brett's apps and Markdown utilities7:24 Archiving and portability benefits9:57 Why Markdown is for everyone11:21 Markdown's connection to AI workflows15:09 What attendees will learn in the workshop17:46 WordPress and cleaner publishing workflows18:46 MacStock registration and discount codes20:07 Where to find Brett and his projects Links: Macstock Conference and Expo - Brett's discount code is “ttscoff" The MacVoices discount code is “macvoices" Guests: Brett works as a technical content writer and software developer for the Developer Relations team at Oracle. In his free time, he also a coder, podcaster, author, and web developer.He develops and maintains a Markdown previewer for Mac called Marked 2 and an automation tool called Bunch. I also have over 100 open source projects, ranging from one-off utilities to full fledged command line apps. You can see everything I've worked on/am working on on the projects page. His current podcast is my more eccentric (and often sacreligious) conversations with Christina Warren and Jeff Severns Guntzel on Overtired.I can be found as “ttscoff” just about everywhere, including Twitter, Mastodon, and Github. Support:      Become a MacVoices Patron on Patreon     http://patreon.com/macvoices      Enjoy this episode? Make a one-time donation with PayPal Connect:      Web:     http://macvoices.com      Twitter:     http://www.twitter.com/chuckjoiner     http://www.twitter.com/macvoices      Mastodon:     https://mastodon.cloud/@chuckjoiner      Facebook:     http://www.facebook.com/chuck.joiner      MacVoices Page on Facebook:     http://www.facebook.com/macvoices/      MacVoices Group on Facebook:     http://www.facebook.com/groups/macvoice      LinkedIn:     https://www.linkedin.com/in/chuckjoiner/      Instagram:     https://www.instagram.com/chuckjoiner/ Subscribe:      Audio in iTunes     Video in iTunes      Subscribe manually via iTunes or any podcatcher:      Audio: http://www.macvoices.com/rss/macvoicesrss      Video: http://www.macvoices.com/rss/macvoicesvideorss

Brett Terpstra previews his Macstock Conference and Expo session focused on Markdown, explaining how it simplifies writing, publishing, and archiving content. He highlights its portability, ease of use, and growing relevance with AI tools. His presentation will covers Markdown editor, practical workflows from idea to publication, and new utilities that enhance productivity while reducing reliance on complex word processors. Today's MacVoices is supported by TV+ Talk, our MacVoices series with Charlotte Henry focused on Apple TV+. From shows and other content to the business side there's always something to learn about apple's streaming service. Find it at the Categories listings on the web site or go directly to macvoices.com/category/tv-talk. Show Notes: Chapters: 0:00 Introduction to MacStock series and guest 1:38 Brett's session topic: Markdown overview 2:46 What Markdown is and why it matters 4:18 Tools and editors for writing Markdown 5:41 Brett's apps and Markdown utilities 7:24 Archiving and portability benefits 9:57 Why Markdown is for everyone 11:21 Markdown's connection to AI workflows 15:09 What attendees will learn in the workshop 17:46 WordPress and cleaner publishing workflows 18:46 MacStock registration and discount codes 20:07 Where to find Brett and his projects Links: Macstock Conference and Expo - Brett's discount code is "ttscoff" The MacVoices discount code is "macvoices" Guests: Brett works as a technical content writer and software developer for the Developer Relations team at Oracle. In his free time, he also a coder, podcaster, author, and web developer. He develops and maintains a Markdown previewer for Mac called Marked 2 and an automation tool called Bunch. I also have over 100 open source projects, ranging from one-off utilities to full fledged command line apps. You can see everything I've worked on/am working on on the projects page. His current podcast is my more eccentric (and often sacreligious) conversations with Christina Warren and Jeff Severns Guntzel on Overtired. I can be found as "ttscoff" just about everywhere, including Twitter, Mastodon, and Github. Support:      Become a MacVoices Patron on Patreon      http://patreon.com/macvoices      Enjoy this episode? Make a one-time donation with PayPal Connect:      Web:      http://macvoices.com      Twitter:      http://www.twitter.com/chuckjoiner      http://www.twitter.com/macvoices      Mastodon:      https://mastodon.cloud/@chuckjoiner      Facebook:      http://www.facebook.com/chuck.joiner      MacVoices Page on Facebook:      http://www.facebook.com/macvoices/      MacVoices Group on Facebook:      http://www.facebook.com/groups/macvoice      LinkedIn:      https://www.linkedin.com/in/chuckjoiner/      Instagram:      https://www.instagram.com/chuckjoiner/ Subscribe:      Audio in iTunes      Video in iTunes      Subscribe manually via iTunes or any podcatcher:      Audio: http://www.macvoices.com/rss/macvoicesrss      Video: http://www.macvoices.com/rss/macvoicesvideorss

Prompted by some content on “How to Succeed in DevRel” that was clearly AI produced, Jason, PJ, and Wesley go down the rabbit hole of how developers are affected by AI generated content, what the real value of AI content is to developers, and a few points on what exactly the value is of creating content for AI instead of human developers. Checkouts Wesley Faulkner Twilight Zone episode PJ Hagerty Asimov's I, Robot (not the movie) Jason Hand J's hackathon project Enjoy the podcast? Please take a few moments to leave us a review on iTunes and follow us on Spotify, or leave a review on one of the other many podcasting sites that we're on! Your support means a lot to us and helps us continue to produce episodes every month. Like all things Community, this too takes a village. Artwork by Nahrizul Kadri on Unsplash

Andy is the cofounder of DeepTrace, an AI reliability platform that helps engineering teams investigate incidents and fix problems in production. In this conversation, Andy shares how a team of technical founders learned sales, got their first 10 customers, and approached go-to-market with the same mindset they used for engineering. We discuss outbound volume, messaging, targeting, sales tooling, paid ads, sales calls, pricing, trials, and the thinking behind DeepTraceLinks:Andy's LinkedinDeeptrace

This interview was recorded for GOTO State of the Art in November 2025.https://gotopia.techRead the full transcription of this interview here:https://gotopia.tech/articles/425Adrian Mouat - Developer Relations at Chainguard & Author of 'Using Docker'Charles Humble - Freelance Techie, Podcaster, Editor, Author & ConsultantRESOURCESAdrianhttps://bsky.app/profile/adrianmouat.comhttps://twitter.com/adrianmouathttps://github.com/amouathttps://linkedin.com/in/adrianmouathttp://www.adrianmouat.comCharleshttps://bsky.app/profile/charleshumble.bsky.socialhttps://linkedin.com/in/charleshumblehttps://mastodon.social/@charleshumblehttps://conissaunce.comLinkshttps://images.chainguard.devhttps://www.cisa.gov/sbomhttps://www.chainguard.dev/supply-chain-security-101/the-npm-registry-cant-protect-you-the-new-javascript-supply-chain-attackshttps://oxide-and-friends.transistor.fm/episodes/discovering-the-xz-backdoor-with-andres-freundhttps://edu.chainguard.devDESCRIPTIONIn this State of the Art episode, Charles Humble speaks with Adrian Mouat, Developer Relations at Chainguard and author of "Using Docker", about the evolution of container security and the persistent challenge of outdated packages.Adrian explains how traditional Linux distributions weren't designed for the immutable, frequently-replaced nature of containers, leading to security vulnerabilities that scanners detect but teams struggle to address. He discusses how Chainguard tackles this problem by building everything from source using Wolfi, creating minimal "distroless" images with near-zero CVEs, and how concepts like SBOMs, attestations, and defense in depth are reshaping security practices.The conversation also covers major security incidents including the XZ Utils backdoor and Shai-hulud attacks, emphasizing the importance of building from source, using short-lived credentials, and replacing rather than updating containers – practices pioneered by companies like Google that are gradually spreading across the industry.RECOMMENDED BOOKSAdrian Mouat • Using Docker • https://amzn.to/3PEYIJLLiz Rice • Container Security • https://amzn.to/3oU4iJeLiz Rice • Kubernetes Security • https://www.oreilly.com/library/view/kubernetes-security/9781492039075BlueskyInstagramLinkedInFacebookCHANNEL MEMBERSHIP BONUSJoin this channel to get early access to videos & other perks:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCs_tLP3AiwYKwdUHpltJPuA/joinLooking for a unique learning experience?Attend the next GOTO conference near you! Get your ticket: gotopia.techSUBSCRIBE TO OUR YOUTUBE CHANNEL - new videos posted daily!

Stefano Verna and Matteo Giaccone from DatoCMS share how their side project in a web agency turned into a €6.5M ARR company with a 13-person remote team. We talk about building sustainable, bootstrapped businesses, instead of the all-or-nothing VC approach, and about their 6-week shipping cycles, prioritizing simplicity, and building trust with customers.Links:    •. Dato CMS   •. Matteo's Linkedin   •. Stefano's X

Behind every line of code is a human being - with stress, ambition, doubt, and purpose. In this episode of The Dev Life, Brooke & Matt are joined by Frederic Harper, Manager of Developer Relations and practitioner of Buddhist philosophy, to move beyond the IDE and explore the inner life of the developer.If you've ever felt like your identity is tied entirely to your productivity, this conversation is a vital reminder that there is a complex human being behind every feature you create. Whether you are looking to transition from software engineering into DevRel, reclaim your mental health in a high-pressure industry, or simply master the "monk-like" mindset of mindfulness and humility, Frederic shares a practical framework for finding alignment in a career that often feels restless. Stop just pushing code and start engineering a life you love by applying these simple, centered practices to your daily grind.In this episode, we cover:- The DevRel Path: Navigating the transition from shipping code to building communities and improving Developer Experience (DX).- The Productivity Trap: Why we tie our self-worth to our output and how to break the cycle of burnout.- Engineering the Ego: How adopting a "Think Like a Monk" mentality transforms team dynamics and personal career growth.- The 10-Minute Shift: Simple, actionable daily practices to help you find stillness and purpose in your work.CONNECT WITH US:https://fred.dev/https://www.linkedin.com/in/jedibravery/https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthewbchristiansen/Follow us onX: @DevLifePodcastX: @AngularShowBluesky: @theangularplusshow.bsky.socialThe Angular Plus Show and The DevLIfe Podcast are a part of ng-conf. ng-conf is a multi-day Angular conference focused on delivering the highest quality training in the Angular JavaScript framework. Developers from across the globe converge  every year to attend talks and workshops by the Angular team and community experts.JoinAttendXBluesky        ReadWatchStock media provided by JUQBOXMUSIC/ Pond5

Ahmad Sadeddin is the founder and CEO of Corgea. Corgea provides the security tools to find, triage, and fix insecure code. Ahmad shares:- Why you don't need to raise much to find PMF - stay lean: you should surprise people with how few people you are.- What is a small amount to raise? And what team size do you need? - Pivoting during YC and how Corgea found their first customers and the signs of Product Market Fit- The journey to Product Market Fit never stops- How Corgea worked towards Product Market FitThis episode is brought to you by WorkOS. If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign On and audit logs.Links:Ahmad Sadeddin https://www.linkedin.com/in/asadeddin/Corgea https://corgea.com/The Fatal Pinch by Paul Graham https://paulgraham.com/pinch.html

In this episode, I sit down with Prashant Sridharan, a 30-year veteran of developer marketing who has shaped go-to-market strategies for tech giants like Sun Microsystems, Microsoft, AWS, Facebook, and Twitter, and currently runs product marketing at Supabase. We dive deep into the origins of DevRel and how marketing to developers has evolved in an increasingly noisy, AI-saturated landscape.Topics covered:- Transitioning from massive tech companies to the fast-paced startup world - How to genuinely measure the success of Developer Relations without ruining communities - Using AI tools like Claude to accelerate mechanical marketing tasks while preserving authentic storytelling - The shift from traditional SEO to GEO (Generative Engine Optimization) for developer tools - The thrill of live, unscripted coding demos and stories from sharing the stage with Steve Ballmer - Prashant's upcoming fiction novel, The Midnight Coders Children, and the craft of writing Find more from Prashant at StrategicNerds.com and check out his non-fiction book, Picks and Shovels: https://amzn.to/4cJ2TRO

David Hsu is the founder of Retool, the low-code platform for building internal tools used by companies like Amazon, Airbnb, and the US Army. David recounts building Retool's first version in weeks with just three components, early outreach failures, shifting to "tomorrow's developers," and LLM use cases.This episode is brought to you by WorkOS. If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign On and audit logs. Links:  •  Retool  •  David's Linkedin

Louis Knight-Webb is the co-founder of Vibe Kanban, an open-source tool for orchestrating AI coding agents. After years of building for enterprise legacy code, Louis pivoted and saw his new project explode to over 20,000 GitHub stars in just a few months. We talk about the "startup university" of the last five years, why he walked away from 6-figure enterprise deals to find true founder-market fit, and why he thinks most people are wrong about AI-generated pull requests.This episode is brought to you by WorkOS. If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign On and audit logs.Links:   •  Vibe Kanban   •  Louis' Linkedin

This episode breaks down an article by Jason Cohen, founder of WP Engine and SmartBear, outlining his step-by-step roadmap from idea to product-market fit (PMF) for startups, especially DevTools. His 8 step roadmap provides insights on personal fit, market validation, customer interviews, building an SLC (simple, lovable, complete) MVP, sales focus, retention, prioritization, and founder psychology, drawing from Cohen's unicorn success and pitfalls to avoid.Links:   • Jason Cohen    •  WP Engine   •  Smart Bear    •  Jason Cohen's articleThis episode is brought to you by WorkOS. If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign On and audit logs. 

In a world that's being transformed by AI agents and agentic systems, how do software developers unlearn what they know while also maintaining engineering rigor? In an in-person conversation with Nathen Harvey, Developer Relations Engineer at Google Cloud, and Patrick Debois, Developer Relations at Tessl, host Ken Mugrage dives into the ways individuals, teams and organizations are walking the line between experimentation and well-established engineering practices as they seek to innovate while ensuring resilience, reliability and security. Thoughtworks is a platinum sponsor of the 2025 DORA report: https://www.thoughtworks.com/en-us/insights/reports/the-2025-dora-report  

The way software gets built is changing fast—and not quietly. Tools powered by large language models are reshaping who can build, how fast teams move, and what “being a developer” even means. In a recent Snowpal podcast episode, Federico Sarquis, Head of Developer Relations at Crossmint, shared an unfiltered view from the front lines of fintech, AI-assisted development, and modern product teams . Federico discusses the evolving landscape of software development, particularly the impact of AI and wipe coding. He shares insights on how non-developers can leverage AI tools, the importance of agency in hiring, and the changing dynamics of development teams. He also touches on the challenges in the FinTech space, the significance of compliance, and the future of programming languages. The discussion highlights the need for adaptability and creativity in the tech industry, as well as cultural insights from Argentina.

This episode breaks down Marc Andreessen's 2007 article on why market matters most in startups, plus some great wisdom from Michael Seibel on spotting real PMF through explosive growth and customer pull.Links:   •  Marc Andreessen's article   •  Michael Seibel's post   •  Product Market Fit collapseThis episode is brought to you by WorkOS. If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign On and audit logs.

What does it actually take to build trust with developers when your product sits quietly inside thousands of other products, often invisible to the people using it every day? In this episode of Tech Talks Daily, I sat down with Ondřej Chrastina, Developer Relations at CKEditor, to unpack a career shaped by hands-on experience, curiosity, and a deep respect for developer time. Ondřej's story starts in QA and software testing, moves through development and platform work, and eventually lands in developer relations. What makes his perspective compelling is that none of these roles felt disconnected. Each one sharpened his understanding of real developer friction, the kind you only notice when you have lived with a product day in and day out. We talked about what changes when you move from monolithic platforms to API-first services, and why developer relations looks very different depending on whether your audience is an application developer, a data engineer, or an integrator working under tight delivery pressure. Ondřej shared how his time at Kentico, Kontent.ai, and Ataccama shaped his approach to tooling, documentation, and examples. For him, theory rarely lands. Showing something that works, even in a small or imperfect way, tends to earn attention and respect far faster. At CKEditor, that thinking becomes even more interesting. The editor is everywhere, yet rarely recognized. It lives inside SaaS platforms, internal tools, CRMs, and content systems, quietly doing its job. We explored how developer experience matters even more when the product itself fades into the background, and why long-term maintenance, support, and predictability often outweigh short-term feature excitement. Ondřej also explained why building instead of buying an editor is rarely as simple as teams expect, especially when standards, security, and future updates enter the picture. We also got into the human side of developer relations. Balancing credibility with business goals, staying useful rather than loud, and acting as a bridge between engineering, product, marketing, and the outside world. Ondřej was refreshingly honest about the role ego can play, and why staying close to real usage is the fastest way to keep yourself grounded. If you care about developer experience, internal tooling, or how invisible infrastructure shapes modern software, this conversation offers plenty to reflect on. What have you seen work, or fail, when it comes to earning developer trust, and where do you think developer relations still get misunderstood? Useful Links Connect with Ondrej Chrastina Learn more about CK Editor Thanks to our sponsors, Alcor, for supporting the show.

This episode is with Christopher Burns, the creator of c15t and founder of consent.io, an open-source, developer-first, ethical provider of privacy infrastructure. Chris explains why most cookie banners are not compliant, and if the EU is going to come after you for it. We talk about how he found product market fit and grew the company, and we also debate London vs SF for startups.Links:   •  Chris' Linkedin   •  c15t   •  ConsentThis episode is brought to you by WorkOS. If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign On and audit logs

This is the story of how Amazon Web Services - arguably the most successful developer tool of all time - got started. This episode is brought to you by WorkOS. If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign On and audit logs.

We are joined today by Steve Corrigan - head of developer relations at Roto VR! This VR accessory looks to blend immersion and haptics, while reducing VR nausea. Listen as we get to know Steve and learn more about Roto VR!Save 25% off a Roto VR chair using code word RuffTalkVR at checkout!Use code RUFFTALKVR at checkout to save on any game or hardware on the Meta Quest store and help support the show!Big thank you to all of our Patreon supporters! Become a supporter of the show today at https://www.patreon.com/rufftalkvrDiscord: https://discord.gg/9JTdCccucSPatreon: https://www.patreon.com/rufftalkvrIf you enjoy the podcast be sure to rate us 5 stars and subscribe! Join our official subreddit at https://www.reddit.com/r/RuffTalkVR/Support the show

Adam Frankl has been the first Marketing VP at three dev-facing unicorns. He returns to the podcast, to reveal the things that DevTool startups must get right in the early days, in order to be successful. We also discuss Jack's experience implementing Technical Advisory Boards (TABs) with a new startup, and the hurdles startups face with outreach, sustaining member enthusiasm across calls, and the art of framing the problem correctly. Adam shares ongoing AI experiments to streamline TAB insights and stories that hook developers.​This episode is brought to you by WorkOS. If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign On and audit logs.Links:   •  Adam's Linkedin   •  The Developer Facing Startup

In this year-end episode, we're reflecting on our 2025 DevRel conversations and the themes that defined the year. We revisit key insights from our guests, look at how the DevRel landscape continued to evolve, and call out the lessons that showed up again and again across our episodes. It's also a moment to thank our guests and listeners who made the show possible. Whether you joined us for one episode or all of them, this wrap-up looks back on where DevRel has been in 2025 and ahead to what's coming next. Enjoy the podcast? Please take a few moments to leave us a review on iTunes (https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/community-pulse/id1218368182?mt=2) and follow us on Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/show/3I7g5W9fMSgpWu38zZMjet?si=eb528c7de12b4d7a&nd=1&dlsi=b0c85248dabc48ce), or leave a review on one of the other many podcasting sites that we're on! Your support means a lot to us and helps us continue to produce episodes every month. Like all things Community, this too takes a village. Artwork by BoliviaInteligente on Unsplash.

This is the takeaway episode with Lena Hall, the Senior Director of Developer Relations at Akamai, and an AI practitioner where we dive into what it means to build AI agents. If you like what you heard, you should check out the full episode!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Tim and Juan chat with Lena Hall, the Senior Director of Developer Relations at Akamai, and an AI practitioner where we dive into what it means to build AI agents. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Ben Tossell used to listen to Mixergy interviews as he hunted for a big idea to launch. Then he nailed it. MakerPad, an educational company for people who wanted to build using no code. It did so well that he sold it for life-changing money. Then he started coding. Because of AI. This is his story. Ben Tossell is the founder of Makerpad, the no-code education platform he sold to Zapier. Today he's the Head of Developer Relations at Factory, where he helps shape the AI coding agent used by developers worldwide. When he's not working, he's hanging with his twins. More interviews -> https://mixergy.com/moreint Rate this interview -> https://mixergy.com/rateint

A judge is racing to break up Google's advertising empire before they can appeal, while Microsoft's Copilot stumbles on camera. Australia's sweeping social bans, Roblox's selfie requirement, and flawed AI moderation spark sharp debate on what happens when online gatekeeping gets serious. Top MAGA Influencers Accidentally Unmasked as Foreign Trolls NetChoice Sues Virginia To Block Its One-Hour Social Media Limit For Kids Roblox is requiring 9yo kids to submit a video selfie to prove age Outage at Cloudflare Disrupts Parts of the Internet It's not just you, many websites are not working this morning amid Cloudflare outage Cloudflare-related variation on the classic XKCD Trump's DOGE Is Dead and We Won't Miss It Meta Wins FTC Antitrust Trial Over Instagram, WhatsApp Deals Europe is scaling back its landmark privacy and AI laws Talking to Windows' Copilot AI makes a computer feel incompetent 780,000 Windows Users Downloaded Linux Distro Zorin OS in the Last 5 Weeks Fortnite is getting Unity games Oops. Cryptographers cancel election results after losing decryption key. SEC Dismisses Case Against SolarWinds, Top Security Officer Google Starts Testing Ads In AI Mode A decision about breaking up Google's adtech monopoly is on the horizon Work is "optional" and irrelevant money: Musk's creepy utopian dream White House Tries to axe the GAIN act (Act that would have prevented AI tech from being sold to other nations.) Host: Leo Laporte Guests: Fr. Robert Ballecer, SJ, Molly White, and Wesley Faulkner Download or subscribe to This Week in Tech at https://twit.tv/shows/this-week-in-tech Join Club TWiT for Ad-Free Podcasts! Support what you love and get ad-free shows, a members-only Discord, and behind-the-scenes access. Join today: https://twit.tv/clubtwit Sponsors: spaceship.com/twit helixsleep.com/twit expressvpn.com/twit zscaler.com/security deel.com/twit

A judge is racing to break up Google's advertising empire before they can appeal, while Microsoft's Copilot stumbles on camera. Australia's sweeping social bans, Roblox's selfie requirement, and flawed AI moderation spark sharp debate on what happens when online gatekeeping gets serious. Top MAGA Influencers Accidentally Unmasked as Foreign Trolls NetChoice Sues Virginia To Block Its One-Hour Social Media Limit For Kids Roblox is requiring 9yo kids to submit a video selfie to prove age Outage at Cloudflare Disrupts Parts of the Internet It's not just you, many websites are not working this morning amid Cloudflare outage Cloudflare-related variation on the classic XKCD Trump's DOGE Is Dead and We Won't Miss It Meta Wins FTC Antitrust Trial Over Instagram, WhatsApp Deals Europe is scaling back its landmark privacy and AI laws Talking to Windows' Copilot AI makes a computer feel incompetent 780,000 Windows Users Downloaded Linux Distro Zorin OS in the Last 5 Weeks Fortnite is getting Unity games Oops. Cryptographers cancel election results after losing decryption key. SEC Dismisses Case Against SolarWinds, Top Security Officer Google Starts Testing Ads In AI Mode A decision about breaking up Google's adtech monopoly is on the horizon Work is "optional" and irrelevant money: Musk's creepy utopian dream White House Tries to axe the GAIN act (Act that would have prevented AI tech from being sold to other nations.) Host: Leo Laporte Guests: Fr. Robert Ballecer, SJ, Molly White, and Wesley Faulkner Download or subscribe to This Week in Tech at https://twit.tv/shows/this-week-in-tech Join Club TWiT for Ad-Free Podcasts! Support what you love and get ad-free shows, a members-only Discord, and behind-the-scenes access. Join today: https://twit.tv/clubtwit Sponsors: spaceship.com/twit helixsleep.com/twit expressvpn.com/twit zscaler.com/security deel.com/twit

A judge is racing to break up Google's advertising empire before they can appeal, while Microsoft's Copilot stumbles on camera. Australia's sweeping social bans, Roblox's selfie requirement, and flawed AI moderation spark sharp debate on what happens when online gatekeeping gets serious. Top MAGA Influencers Accidentally Unmasked as Foreign Trolls NetChoice Sues Virginia To Block Its One-Hour Social Media Limit For Kids Roblox is requiring 9yo kids to submit a video selfie to prove age Outage at Cloudflare Disrupts Parts of the Internet It's not just you, many websites are not working this morning amid Cloudflare outage Cloudflare-related variation on the classic XKCD Trump's DOGE Is Dead and We Won't Miss It Meta Wins FTC Antitrust Trial Over Instagram, WhatsApp Deals Europe is scaling back its landmark privacy and AI laws Talking to Windows' Copilot AI makes a computer feel incompetent 780,000 Windows Users Downloaded Linux Distro Zorin OS in the Last 5 Weeks Fortnite is getting Unity games Oops. Cryptographers cancel election results after losing decryption key. SEC Dismisses Case Against SolarWinds, Top Security Officer Google Starts Testing Ads In AI Mode A decision about breaking up Google's adtech monopoly is on the horizon Work is "optional" and irrelevant money: Musk's creepy utopian dream White House Tries to axe the GAIN act (Act that would have prevented AI tech from being sold to other nations.) Host: Leo Laporte Guests: Fr. Robert Ballecer, SJ, Molly White, and Wesley Faulkner Download or subscribe to This Week in Tech at https://twit.tv/shows/this-week-in-tech Join Club TWiT for Ad-Free Podcasts! Support what you love and get ad-free shows, a members-only Discord, and behind-the-scenes access. Join today: https://twit.tv/clubtwit Sponsors: spaceship.com/twit helixsleep.com/twit expressvpn.com/twit zscaler.com/security deel.com/twit

A judge is racing to break up Google's advertising empire before they can appeal, while Microsoft's Copilot stumbles on camera. Australia's sweeping social bans, Roblox's selfie requirement, and flawed AI moderation spark sharp debate on what happens when online gatekeeping gets serious. Top MAGA Influencers Accidentally Unmasked as Foreign Trolls NetChoice Sues Virginia To Block Its One-Hour Social Media Limit For Kids Roblox is requiring 9yo kids to submit a video selfie to prove age Outage at Cloudflare Disrupts Parts of the Internet It's not just you, many websites are not working this morning amid Cloudflare outage Cloudflare-related variation on the classic XKCD Trump's DOGE Is Dead and We Won't Miss It Meta Wins FTC Antitrust Trial Over Instagram, WhatsApp Deals Europe is scaling back its landmark privacy and AI laws Talking to Windows' Copilot AI makes a computer feel incompetent 780,000 Windows Users Downloaded Linux Distro Zorin OS in the Last 5 Weeks Fortnite is getting Unity games Oops. Cryptographers cancel election results after losing decryption key. SEC Dismisses Case Against SolarWinds, Top Security Officer Google Starts Testing Ads In AI Mode A decision about breaking up Google's adtech monopoly is on the horizon Work is "optional" and irrelevant money: Musk's creepy utopian dream White House Tries to axe the GAIN act (Act that would have prevented AI tech from being sold to other nations.) Host: Leo Laporte Guests: Fr. Robert Ballecer, SJ, Molly White, and Wesley Faulkner Download or subscribe to This Week in Tech at https://twit.tv/shows/this-week-in-tech Join Club TWiT for Ad-Free Podcasts! Support what you love and get ad-free shows, a members-only Discord, and behind-the-scenes access. Join today: https://twit.tv/clubtwit Sponsors: spaceship.com/twit helixsleep.com/twit expressvpn.com/twit zscaler.com/security deel.com/twit

I did an interview with Raag Harshavat, AR Developer Relations at Snapchat, at Snap's Developer Conference of Lensfest. See more context in the rough transcript below. This is a listener-supported podcast through the Voices of VR Patreon. Music: Fatality

I did an interview with Joe Darko, Global Head of Developer Relations at Snap, at Snap's Developer Conference of Lensfest. See more context in the rough transcript below. You can also check out all 11 episodes in this Snap Lensfest series here: #1667: Kickoff of Snap Lensfest 2025 Coverage & SnapOS 2.0 Announcements #1668: Snap Co-Founders Community Q&A about Specs 2026 Launch Plan #1669: Snap's Resh Sidhu on the Future of AR Commerce & Developer-Centered Innovation #1670: Snapchat's Embodied Gaming Innovations with AR Developer Relations Head #1671: Reflecting on Snap's AR Platform & Developer Tools Past and Future with Terek Judi #1672: Niantic Spatial's Project Jade Demo Shows Latest Location-Aware, AI Tour Guide Innovations #1673: Snap Lensfest Announcement Reflections from AR Gaming Studio DB Creations #1674: 3rd Place Spectacles Lensathon Team: Fireside Tales Collaborative Storytelling with GenAI #1675: 2nd Place Spectacles Lensathon Team: CartDB Barcode-Scanning Nutrition App #1676: 1st Place Spectacles Lensathon Team: Decisionator Object-Detection AI Decision-Maker #1677: Snap's AR Developer Relations Plan for 2026 Specs Consumer Launch with Joe Darko This is a listener-supported podcast through the Voices of VR Patreon. Music: Fatality