JUST

Folks, this is it! The epic two part finale to the JUST podcast. Listen in to hear all of Jes's thoughts and takeaways from three seasons of conversations around justice. And make sure you catch the second part to get Rob's views. If the podcast has made an impact in your life, please consider reaching out to Jes and Rob at thejustpod@gmail.com to let them know! 0:00 Intro 0:43 Episode starts 2:18 Rob makes an announcement 4:33 Jes's feelings about JUST milestones 7:21 Rob reflects on Jes's work 12:03 The importance of laughter 15:49 Rob gives a high level view of the episode 17:42 Jes checks in with Rob 21:32 Rob checks in with Jes 25:14 Rob begins interviewing Jes 25:37 How did the podcast start? 33:55 What were your favorite interviews? 45:45 Honorable mentions 48:40 Who is on your bucket list to interview? 53:34 What lessons have you learned? 62:41 What advice do you have for listeners? 67:04 What's next for Jes? 74:33 Outro/Interlude Thank you to DJ Pdogg and Producer Lo Key for our awesome music throughout the show! Follow DJ Pdogg online: http://www.djpdogg.com/ (www.djpdogg.com) https://twitter.com/DJPdogg?s=20 (Twitter) https://www.instagram.com/djpdogg/ (Instagram) Follow Producer Lo Key https://www.instagram.com/producerlokey/ (Instagram) Our sponsors: https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (ReCity Network) https://www.coastal24.com/ (Coastal Credit Union) Our hosts: Jes Averhart, cofounder of https://bwshomecoming.com/ (Black Wallstreet Homecoming) Rob Shields, executive director of the https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (Recity Network.) Our Producer: Ben Azevedo, owner of https://www.bearcaveaudio.com/ (Bear Cave Audio) Our Editor Chris Pappalardo

In the epic second part of the JUST finale, Rob shares his insights and experiences. With over 50 episodes across 3 seasons, there's a treasure trove of wisdom to discuss and reflect on. If the podcast has made an impact in your life, please consider reaching out to Jes and Rob at thejustpod@gmail.com to let them know! 0:00 Intro/Interlude 0:23 Episode starts 4:00 Jes begins to frame up the episode 5:51 How did JUST come to be? 17:40 How did you set the values for JUST? 23:54 What were your top 5 interviews? 37:11 Who is on your interview bucket list? 45:05 What did you learn from JUST? 59:44 What advice would you give listeners? 66:11 What's next for Rob? 71:28 Rob and Jes thank folks 80:10 Outro Thank you to DJ Pdogg and Producer Lo Key for our awesome music throughout the show! Follow DJ Pdogg online: http://www.djpdogg.com/ (www.djpdogg.com) https://twitter.com/DJPdogg?s=20 (Twitter) https://www.instagram.com/djpdogg/ (Instagram) Follow Producer Lo Key https://www.instagram.com/producerlokey/ (Instagram) Our sponsors: https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (ReCity Network) https://www.coastal24.com/ (Coastal Credit Union) Our hosts: Jes Averhart, cofounder of https://bwshomecoming.com/ (Black Wallstreet Homecoming) Rob Shields, executive director of the https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (Recity Network.) Our Producer: Ben Azevedo, owner of https://www.bearcaveaudio.com/ (Bear Cave Audio) Our Editor Chris Pappalardo

David Spickard makes a return to the Just podcast this week, with updates about his leadership cohorts, an upcoming book, and the four qualities of a just leader. If you want to learn more, you can reach David directly at david@spickardconsulting.com Support the https://www.gofundme.com/f/honoring-connell-green-college-fund-challenge?utm_campaign=p_lico+share-sheet&utm_medium=copy_link&utm_source=customer (Connell Green college fund)! 0:00 Intro 0:43 Episode starts 1:16 Jes's check in 3:53 Rob's check in 6:55 Rob introduces David 7:28 David joins the call 9:39 Rob reads David's bio 12:15 Why are you writing a book? 16:18 How has your cohort's leadership changed? 25:26 How have you seen "others focused" leadership play out? 31:09 Give us some insight on the other three qualities 37:49 What is a fusion friendship in your life? 41:50 What is the future of just leadership? 46:43 Where can people learn more? 49:51 Debrief 55:40 Outro Thank you to DJ Pdogg and Producer Lo Key for our awesome music throughout the show! Follow DJ Pdogg online: http://www.djpdogg.com/ (www.djpdogg.com) https://twitter.com/DJPdogg?s=20 (Twitter) https://www.instagram.com/djpdogg/ (Instagram) Follow Producer Lo Key https://www.instagram.com/producerlokey/ (Instagram) Our sponsors: https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (ReCity Network) https://www.coastal24.com/ (Coastal Credit Union) Our hosts: Jes Averhart, cofounder of https://bwshomecoming.com/ (Black Wallstreet Homecoming) Rob Shields, executive director of the https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (Recity Network.) Our Producer: Ben Azevedo, owner of https://www.bearcaveaudio.com/ (Bear Cave Audio) Our Editor Chris Pappalardo

This week's guest is Maggie Kane, founder and executive director of https://tableraleigh.org/ (A Place At The Table Cafe) in Raleigh. Maggie shares inspiring stories of community and friendship, and describes her unique model for focusing on dignity while tackling food insecurity. 0:00 Intro 0:43 Episode starts 2:55 Rob's check in 4:27 Jes's check in 6:49 Maggie joins the call 8:30 Jes reads Maggie's bio 9:51 What led you to this work? 20:12 What were the early years like? 25:19 How did COVID impact your leadership? 30:21 Interlude 31:57 Does the issue of dependency still show up in your model? 36:55 What are some fusion friendships in your life? 43:03 How can listeners show up? 47:15 Debrief 47:57 Rob's takeaways 50:40 Jes's takeaways 57:09 Outro Thank you to DJ Pdogg and Producer Lo Key for our awesome music throughout the show! Follow DJ Pdogg online: http://www.djpdogg.com/ (www.djpdogg.com) https://twitter.com/DJPdogg?s=20 (Twitter) https://www.instagram.com/djpdogg/ (Instagram) Follow Producer Lo Key https://www.instagram.com/producerlokey/ (Instagram) Our sponsors: https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (ReCity Network) https://www.coastal24.com/ (Coastal Credit Union) Our hosts: Jes Averhart, cofounder of https://bwshomecoming.com/ (Black Wallstreet Homecoming) Rob Shields, executive director of the https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (Recity Network.) Our Producer: Ben Azevedo, owner of https://www.bearcaveaudio.com/ (Bear Cave Audio) Our Editor Chris Pappalardo

This week on Just, Rob and Jes talk to Dr. Erin Moore, the Executive Director of https://crsj.org/ (The Center for Racial and Social Justice) at Shaw University. They talk about the legacy of change at Shaw, the next generation of student-led change, and ways to measure the progress of that change. 0:00 Intro 0:43 Episode starts 1:14 Jes's check in 5:37 Rob's check in 7:49 Rob introduces Dr. Moor 8:32 Dr. Moor joins the conversation 9:25 Rob gives Dr. Moor's bio 11:51 What is your story? 16:37 What is the legacy of Shaw? 19:34 How did the Center come to be? 27:23 How do you measure progress? 33:51 What fusion friendships have impacted how you work? 48:31 What's one way listeners can show up? 52:17 How can people follow the Center's work? 55:45 Outro Thank you to DJ Pdogg and Producer Lo Key for our awesome music throughout the show! Follow DJ Pdogg online: http://www.djpdogg.com/ (www.djpdogg.com) https://twitter.com/DJPdogg?s=20 (Twitter) https://www.instagram.com/djpdogg/ (Instagram) Follow Producer Lo Key https://www.instagram.com/producerlokey/ (Instagram) Our sponsors: https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (ReCity Network) https://www.coastal24.com/ (Coastal Credit Union) Our hosts: Jes Averhart, cofounder of https://bwshomecoming.com/ (Black Wallstreet Homecoming) Rob Shields, executive director of the https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (Recity Network.) Our Producer: Ben Azevedo, owner of https://www.bearcaveaudio.com/ (Bear Cave Audio) Our Editor Chris Pappalardo

Joining us this week on JUST is https://www.genellealdred.com/ (Genelle Aldred), a journalist, author, speaker, and storyteller. She's an ambassador for https://www.sands.org.uk/ (SANDS), and author of the book https://spckpublishing.co.uk/communicate-for-change (Communicate for Change), which inspired this conversation. Tune in and enjoy! 0:00 Intro 0:43 Episode starts 1:45 Jes's check in 5:05 Rob's check in 6:48 Rob introduces Genelle to the call 7:26 Genelle joins 9:09 Rob gives Genelle's bio 10:11 What's your story? 14:58 What about the present moment makes it hard to discuss issues of injustice? 20:18 Interlude 21:32 Rob quotes from Genelle's book 23:14 What led you to model "putting down your stone"? 29:35 Why is it important to appeal to both the heart and the mind? 33:52 What is the term "activist savior"? 39:06 What advice would you give folks entering the holiday season? 44:19 Is there anything you'd like to leave listeners with? 46:09 Wrap up and goodbyes 47:22 Outro Thank you to DJ Pdogg and Producer Lo Key for our awesome music throughout the show! Follow DJ Pdogg online: http://www.djpdogg.com/ (www.djpdogg.com) https://twitter.com/DJPdogg?s=20 (Twitter) https://www.instagram.com/djpdogg/ (Instagram) Follow Producer Lo Key https://www.instagram.com/producerlokey/ (Instagram) Our sponsors: https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (ReCity Network) https://www.coastal24.com/ (Coastal Credit Union) Our hosts: Jes Averhart, cofounder of https://bwshomecoming.com/ (Black Wallstreet Homecoming) Rob Shields, executive director of the https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (Recity Network.) Our Producer: Ben Azevedo, owner of https://www.bearcaveaudio.com/ (Bear Cave Audio) Our Editor Chris Pappalardo

Mark Charles joins the show today in a conversation about race and conciliation for the nation. Mark is a speaker, writer, and consultant, and his book Unsettling Truths inspired Rob to reach out for this episode. You can learn more about Mark at https://wirelesshogan.com/ (wirelesshogan.com), and https://www.ivpress.com/unsettling-truths (purchase his book here). See below for more links mentioned in the show! 0:00 Intro 0:43 Episode starts 1:43 Jes checks in with Rob 3:55 Rob checks in with Jes 6:43 Mark joins the conversation 7:01 Mark gives a traditional introduction 8:34 Jes provides some background on Mark 9:34 What is your story? 21:05 What is the doctrine of discovery? 26:59 What role do narratives play in perpetuating unjust systems? 32:29 Interlude 34:36 What is historical trauma? 46:31 Has your book had the response you were hoping for, and is it playing the role you wanted? 51:52 What role can listeners play 58:21 Debrief 59:17 Rob's takeaways 62:06 Jes's takeaways 71:00 Outro https://native-land.ca/ (Native Land website) https://www.ivpress.com/prophetic-lament (Prophetic Lament book) Thank you to DJ Pdogg and Producer Lo Key for our awesome music throughout the show! Follow DJ Pdogg online: http://www.djpdogg.com/ (www.djpdogg.com) https://twitter.com/DJPdogg?s=20 (Twitter) https://www.instagram.com/djpdogg/ (Instagram) Follow Producer Lo Key https://www.instagram.com/producerlokey/ (Instagram) Our sponsors: https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (ReCity Network) https://www.coastal24.com/ (Coastal Credit Union) Our hosts: Jes Averhart, cofounder of https://bwshomecoming.com/ (Black Wallstreet Homecoming) Rob Shields, executive director of the https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (Recity Network.) Our Producer: Ben Azevedo, owner of https://www.bearcaveaudio.com/ (Bear Cave Audio) Our Editor Chris Pappalardo

Today on JUST, Rob and Jes interview Royce Hathcock about the long-term work of neighboring. Royce shares his faith story and why he thinks after 25 years on the same corner, things are only just beginning. Royce is the Executive Director of https://www.n2noutreach.org/ (Neighbor to Neighbor), a community outreach organization focused on good neighboring, and a Senior Pastor at Tapestry Church of the Nazarene. 0:00 Intro  0:43 Episode starts 3:35 Jes's check in 5:51 Rob's check in 7:56 Rob introduces Royce 8:26 Royce joins the call 9:15 Rob gives some background on Royce 12:23 What's your story, what led you to community development? 23:44 What advice would you give yourself in 1996? 29:22 Interlude 30:35 What issues have come up over your time in Raleigh, and what assets have you found in your community? 39:20 Tell us more about One Wake 48:21 Have you had a particularly meaningful fusion friendship? 51:21 What's one thing that listeners can do to show up? 54:56 Rob thanks Royce, goodbyes 56:26 Debrief 56:38 Jes's takeaways 58:50 Rob's takeaways 62:52 Rob and Jes discuss "no permanent friends" 64:38 Wrap up 67:20 Outro Thank you to DJ Pdogg and Producer Lo Key for our awesome music throughout the show! Follow DJ Pdogg online: http://www.djpdogg.com/ (www.djpdogg.com) https://twitter.com/DJPdogg?s=20 (Twitter) https://www.instagram.com/djpdogg/ (Instagram) Follow Producer Lo Key https://www.instagram.com/producerlokey/ (Instagram) Our sponsors: https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (ReCity Network) https://www.coastal24.com/ (Coastal Credit Union) Our hosts: Jes Averhart, cofounder of https://bwshomecoming.com/ (Black Wallstreet Homecoming) Rob Shields, executive director of the https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (Recity Network.) Our Producer: Ben Azevedo, owner of https://www.bearcaveaudio.com/ (Bear Cave Audio) Our Editor Chris Pappalardo

[Episode summary] 0:00 Intro 0:42 Episode starts 1:53 Rob checks in with Jes 3:48 Jes checks in with Rob 6:03 Rob welcomes Daniel to the show 7:11 Rob introduces listeners to Daniel's work 10:10 What's your story, your justice journey? 15:48 Tell us about CRT, and what gaps do white people have in understanding it? 26:14 Interlude 26:47 How do you partner with neighborhoods? 33:55 What advice would you give an organization on creating better relationships with their neighborhoods? 38:49 Is there a fusion friendship that has impacted you the most? 44:15 What's one thing listeners can do to show up? 48:58 Jes and Rob say goodbye to Daniel 49:04 Debriefs 49:43 Jes's takeaways 51:49 Rob's takeaways 55:01 Jes and Rob wrap up 57:44 Outro Thank you to DJ Pdogg and Producer Lo Key for our awesome music throughout the show! Follow DJ Pdogg online: http://www.djpdogg.com/ (www.djpdogg.com) https://twitter.com/DJPdogg?s=20 (Twitter) https://www.instagram.com/djpdogg/ (Instagram) Follow Producer Lo Key https://www.instagram.com/producerlokey/ (Instagram) Our sponsors: https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (ReCity Network) https://www.coastal24.com/ (Coastal Credit Union) Our hosts: Jes Averhart, cofounder of https://bwshomecoming.com/ (Black Wallstreet Homecoming) Rob Shields, executive director of the https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (Recity Network.) Our Producer: Ben Azevedo, owner of https://www.bearcaveaudio.com/ (Bear Cave Audio) Our Editor Chris Pappalardo

Joy Currey joins the show today to talk with Rob and Jes about nonprofit iteration, the importance of a good team, and the strength of triangles. Joy grew up on a farm, taught in schools in Philadelphia and Brooklyn, and in 2008 founded CORRAL, a faith-motivated nonprofit that prepares adolescent girls in high-risk situations with skills, resources, and opportunities so they can gain access to bright futures. 0:00 Episode starts  2:06 Rob's check in 7:10 Jes's check in 9:40 Joy joins the call 10:03 Jes reads Joy's bio 14:00 What's your story? 25:02 What did you change about CORRAL during the pandemic? 33:19 Interlude 37:33 How do you have conversations within your organization about structural racism? 49:29 How do you have those conversations with your board or with sponsors? 54:02 How do you prioritize rest? 58:47 How can listeners show up? 62:17 Rob and Jes say goodbye to Joy 62:23 Debriefs 62:36 Jes's takeaways 65:05 Rob's takeaways 68:15 Goodbyes 68:24 Outro Thank you to DJ Pdogg and Producer Lo Key for our awesome music throughout the show! Follow DJ Pdogg online: http://www.djpdogg.com/ (www.djpdogg.com) https://twitter.com/DJPdogg?s=20 (Twitter) https://www.instagram.com/djpdogg/ (Instagram) Follow Producer Lo Key https://www.instagram.com/producerlokey/ (Instagram) Our sponsors: https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (ReCity Network) https://www.coastal24.com/ (Coastal Credit Union) Our hosts: Jes Averhart, cofounder of https://bwshomecoming.com/ (Black Wallstreet Homecoming) Rob Shields, executive director of the https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (Recity Network.) Our Producer: Ben Azevedo, owner of https://www.bearcaveaudio.com/ (Bear Cave Audio) Our Editor Chris Pappalardo

This week on JUST, Rob and Jes sit down with KJ Hill, the Pastor for Community Development and Outreach at The Summit Church in Durham. With a career that spans coaching, writing, teaching, and more, KJ shares a wealth of experience, learning, and wisdom about how to love your neighbor well. 0:00 Episode starts  1:18 Jes's check in 5:21 Rob's check in 8:20 KJ joins the call 8:47 KJ's check in 9:18 Rob gives KJ's background and bio 13:54 How did you get to where you are now? 23:17 Rob reads a quote from KJ's book 25:19 KJ elaborates on the quote 29:45 What is the evolution of your philosophy on engaging community and values? 35:21 Interlude 36:46 KJ talks about the parish model 43:31 What are some examples of caring well for our neighbors? 51:07 How is taking care of refugee neighbors different than geographic neighbors? 56:24 If you could wave a magic wand over every church, what one thing would you change? 59:44 What's one practical step listeners could take? 64:04 Rob and Jes say goodbye to KJ 64:15 Debrief begins 65:00 Jes's takeaways 67:00 Rob's takeaways 71:12 Rob and Jes say goodbye 71:17 Outro Thank you to DJ Pdogg and Producer Lo Key for our awesome music throughout the show! Follow DJ Pdogg online: http://www.djpdogg.com/ (www.djpdogg.com) https://twitter.com/DJPdogg?s=20 (Twitter) https://www.instagram.com/djpdogg/ (Instagram) Follow Producer Lo Key https://www.instagram.com/producerlokey/ (Instagram) Our sponsors: https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (ReCity Network) https://www.coastal24.com/ (Coastal Credit Union) Our hosts: Jes Averhart, cofounder of https://bwshomecoming.com/ (Black Wallstreet Homecoming) Rob Shields, executive director of the https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (Recity Network.) Our Producer: Ben Azevedo, owner of https://www.bearcaveaudio.com/ (Bear Cave Audio) Our Editor Chris Pappalardo

This week on the JUST podcast, Jes and Rob interview Raleigh Mayoral Candidate Dr. Terrance Ruth. Dr. Ruth is a teacher at NC State, a former public school principal, and community organizer. 0:00 Episode starts  1:26 Rob's check in 5:35 Jes's check in 9:10 Dr. Terrance Ruth joins the call 9:36 Jes introduces Dr. Ruth 11:59 What drove your passion around justice? 15:32 Tell us about your partnership with United Way 20:42 Interlude 22:33 Why did you decide to run for mayor? 26:37 Where would you concentrate your efforts as mayor? 32:12 What are some fusion friendships you have? 38:19 What's one thing people can do to show up? 40:44 Jes thanks Dr. Ruth for being a great role model 42:03 Dr. Ruth says goodbye 42:08 Debrief 42:52 Jes's first takeaways 44:08 Rob's takeaways 47:06 Jes's second takeaways 52:04 Jes and Rob say goodbye 52:14 Outro Thank you to DJ Pdogg and Producer Lo Key for our awesome music throughout the show! Follow DJ Pdogg online: http://www.djpdogg.com/ (www.djpdogg.com) https://twitter.com/DJPdogg?s=20 (Twitter) https://www.instagram.com/djpdogg/ (Instagram) Follow Producer Lo Key https://www.instagram.com/producerlokey/ (Instagram) Our sponsors: https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (ReCity Network) https://www.coastal24.com/ (Coastal Credit Union) Our hosts: Jes Averhart, cofounder of https://bwshomecoming.com/ (Black Wallstreet Homecoming) Rob Shields, executive director of the https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (Recity Network.) Our Producer: Ben Azevedo, owner of https://www.bearcaveaudio.com/ (Bear Cave Audio) Our Editor Chris Pappalardo

Jes and Rob interview Steve Swayne, director of the St. Francis Springs Retreat Center. Steve brings insights into the value of rest, and how it is intrinsically tied to justice work. 0:00 Intro 0:43 Episode starts 2:01 Jes's check in 4:44 Rob's check in 6:29 Rob frames up the episode 7:22 Steve joins the call 7:30 Rob introduces Steve 9:25 Rob shares some stats for the episode 11:18 How has the pandemic impacted our relationship with rest? 15:22 What role does rest and reflection play in justice work? 18:45 Interlude 21:33 What is the biggest impact of the Center? 23:25 Jes gives the Center a personal shout out 27:00 Why is justice and equity a core value for the Center? 33:39 What's one step listeners can take towards a healthier relationship with rest? 35:14 Tim Cook's strategies for rest 38:00 Rob thanks Steve and wraps up 38:15 Outro Thank you to DJ Pdogg and Producer Lo Key for our awesome music throughout the show! Follow DJ Pdogg online: http://www.djpdogg.com/ (www.djpdogg.com) https://twitter.com/DJPdogg?s=20 (Twitter) https://www.instagram.com/djpdogg/ (Instagram) Follow Producer Lo Key https://www.instagram.com/producerlokey/ (Instagram) Our sponsors: https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (ReCity Network) https://www.coastal24.com/ (Coastal Credit Union) Our hosts: Jes Averhart, cofounder of https://bwshomecoming.com/ (Black Wallstreet Homecoming) Rob Shields, executive director of the https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (Recity Network.) Our Producer: Ben Azevedo, owner of https://www.bearcaveaudio.com/ (Bear Cave Audio) Our Editor Chris Pappalardo

The United States has more money in our healthcare system than any other country in the world. Yet we also have the worst relative outcomes for mothers and infants. Join us as Joy Spencer explores why that is and where the inequity stems from. Can the system be fixed? 0:00 Episode starts  0:48 Check ins 5:20 Joy joins the call 5:38 Jes introduces Joy 8:35 Joy's check in 9:47 Why do you do this work? 15:40 What sets you apart? 20:43 What motivates you? 24:50 Interlude 26:33 What is an important fusion friendship for you? 28:47 What about the policy side of things? 34:06 What does your dream future look like? 40:18 How can listeners show up? 43:33 Goodbyes 44:10 Debriefs (Jes starts) 46:29 Rob's takeaways 52:50 Rob and Jes say goodbye 53:00 Outro Thank you to DJ Pdogg and Producer Lo Key for our awesome music throughout the show! Follow DJ Pdogg online: http://www.djpdogg.com/ (www.djpdogg.com) https://twitter.com/DJPdogg?s=20 (Twitter) https://www.instagram.com/djpdogg/ (Instagram) Follow Producer Lo Key https://www.instagram.com/producerlokey/ (Instagram) Our sponsors: https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (ReCity Network) https://www.coastal24.com/ (Coastal Credit Union) Our hosts: Jes Averhart, cofounder of https://bwshomecoming.com/ (Black Wallstreet Homecoming) Rob Shields, executive director of the https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (Recity Network.) Our Producer: Ben Azevedo, owner of https://www.bearcaveaudio.com/ (Bear Cave Audio) Our Editor Chris Pappalardo

Join our guest Sonia Wang from http://newcommunityoutreach.org/ (New Community Covenant Church's Community Outreach Program) as she talks about how her work as a teacher and administrator on the south side of Chicago influences her work today. What does it mean to define Restorative Justice as an ecosystem -- or as a lifestyle? What does it mean to be stuck as the result of Trauma? Let's talk about it. 0:43 Episode starts 1:42 Jes's check in 3:38 Rob's check in 6:56 Rob introduces Sonia 7:21 Sonia joins the call 7:39 Sonia's check in 9:16 Rob reads Sonia's bio 11:59 What led you to this work? 17:32 Understanding intersectionality among young people 21:54 What is a day in the life like? 25:18 Interlude 26:52 How do people process trauma and do good work? 33:28 What does it mean to live out sankofa? 37:55 Where do you find hope? 40:37 How can listeners show up? 41:52 Where can listeners find you? 42:41 Wrap up 42:57 Jes's takeaways 45:56 Rob's takeaways 49:58 Outro Thank you to DJ Pdogg and Producer Lo Key for our awesome music throughout the show! Follow DJ Pdogg online: http://www.djpdogg.com/ (www.djpdogg.com) https://twitter.com/DJPdogg?s=20 (Twitter) https://www.instagram.com/djpdogg/ (Instagram) Follow Producer Lo Key https://www.instagram.com/producerlokey/ (Instagram) Our sponsors: https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (ReCity Network) https://www.coastal24.com/ (Coastal Credit Union) Our hosts: Jes Averhart, cofounder of https://bwshomecoming.com/ (Black Wallstreet Homecoming) Rob Shields, executive director of the https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (Recity Network.) Our Producer: Ben Azevedo, owner of https://www.bearcaveaudio.com/ (Bear Cave Audio) Our Editor Chris Pappalardo

The script gets flipped on this episode of JUST, as Rob and Jes take to the guest seats and our editor, Chris Pappalardo, interviews them. They discuss the nuances of https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2021/07/george-packer-four-americas/619012/ (“How America Fractured Into Four Parts”) by George Packer, which we highly recommend reading alongside this episode! 0:00 Episode starts  2:08 Jes's check in 5:28 Rob's check in 7:24 Chris joins the call 9:11 Rob introduces Chris 11:20 Chris frames the episode 12:15 How do Rob and Jes frame the “four Americas”? 12:25 Rob's answer 13:55 Jes's answer 17:33 Who are the people in these archetypes? 19:26 Jes talks about the “real America” archetype 21:00 Interlude 22:02 Where do Rob and Jes place themselves in the Four Americas? 22:09 Rob's answer 23:11 Jes's answer 25:52 What are the issues with the “Just America” archetype? 26:39 Rob's answer 28:44 Jes's answer 31:09 How do you reach across the line? 31:16 Rob's answer 33:22 Jes's answer 36:31 How are Rob and Jes going to show up moving forward? 36:39 Rob's answer 38:30 Jes's answer 41:39 Wrap up 42:48 Outro Thank you to DJ Pdogg and Producer Lo Key for our awesome music throughout the show! Follow DJ Pdogg online: http://www.djpdogg.com/ (www.djpdogg.com) https://twitter.com/DJPdogg?s=20 (Twitter) https://www.instagram.com/djpdogg/ (Instagram) Follow Producer Lo Key https://www.instagram.com/producerlokey/ (Instagram) Our sponsors: https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (ReCity Network) https://www.coastal24.com/ (Coastal Credit Union) Our hosts: Jes Averhart, cofounder of https://bwshomecoming.com/ (Black Wallstreet Homecoming) Rob Shields, executive director of the https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (Recity Network.) Our Producer: Ben Azevedo, owner of https://www.bearcaveaudio.com/ (Bear Cave Audio) Our Editor Chris Pappalardo

In this special bonus episode of JUST, learn more about Juneteenth with the folks from Black History For White People. From their site: We first cover what was going on in the nation before the emancipation proclamation, then zoom in on Texas specifically and what the culture was like, share some stories from the past, and tie the throughline to why and how people celebrate Juneteenth. https://redcircle.com/shows/black-history-for-white-people (Black History For White People website) For bonus content, full interviews, and the ability to vote for future topics, $5/month supports us at https://app.redcircle.com/shows/c7b8dfa0-27a2-4769-a4ac-3f0dc2963dee/ep/patreon.com/blackhistoryforwhitepeople (patreon.com/blackhistoryforwhitepeople). Check us out on Twitter https://twitter.com/BHforWP (@BHforWP) and Instagram https://www.instagram.com/blackhistoryforwhitepeople/ (@BlackHistoryForWhitePeople) or feel free to email us at hello@blackhistoryforwhitepeople.com.

This week on Just, Rob and Jes interview Josephe Feathersone, Vice President of Programs at the https://dci-nc.org/ (Durham Children's Initiative) about kids returning to school and the impact of the pandemic on learning and education. He shares stories of resilience and explains why he picks up every penny he sees. 0:00 Episode starts  1:28 Jes checks in with Rob 2:53 Rob checks in with Jes 5:58 Jes frames up the conversation 7:24 Jes intros Josephe's bio 9:04 Josephe joins the conversation 10:11 Jes checks in with Josephe 11:09 Josephe describes his work with DCI 15:10 What barriers were students and families navigating before the pandemic? 19:21 What layers are you seeing in the impact on young people? 23:30 Interlude 23:45 Rob digs in deeper to Josephe's point about post-Covid change in education 25:48 What lessons have you learned from your students? 27:43 Josephe reflects on George Floyd 32:09 Do we repair within the system or rebuild from the ground up? 36:05 What gives you hope? 36:18 The penny story 39:33 How can listeners show up? 42:23 Josephe leaves the conversation 42:28 Debrief begins 44:40 Jes's takeaways 46:21 Rob and Jes talk about George Floyd 51:00 Rob talks about entering each other's stories 52:46 Outro Thank you to DJ Pdogg and Producer Lo Key for our awesome music throughout the show! Follow DJ Pdogg online: http://www.djpdogg.com/ (www.djpdogg.com) https://twitter.com/DJPdogg?s=20 (Twitter) https://www.instagram.com/djpdogg/ (Instagram) Follow Producer Lo Key https://www.instagram.com/producerlokey/ (Instagram) Our sponsors: https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (ReCity Network) https://www.coastal24.com/ (Coastal Credit Union) Our hosts: Jes Averhart, cofounder of https://bwshomecoming.com/ (Black Wallstreet Homecoming) Rob Shields, executive director of the https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (Recity Network.) Our Producer: Ben Azevedo, owner of https://www.bearcaveaudio.com/ (Bear Cave Audio) Our Editor Chris Pappalardo

Dave Crispell joins Jes and Rob this week in a discussion about restorative justice and getting proximate. Dave is the co-founder of https://www.jubilee-home.org/ (Jubilee Home), which works with young men in the Durham community to create a place that bridges the gap between incarceration and full independence.  0:00 Episode starts  0:47 Jes checks in with Rob 2:21 Rob checks in with Jes 5:21 Rob begins introducing Dave 7:16 Dave joins the call 7:24 Rob gives Dave's bio 9:33 Rob checks in with David 11:00 Dave tells his origin story 25:34 Dave explains the name “Jubilee Home” 32:00 Interlude 37:54 What does success look like for Jubilee Home? 48:42 How can listeners show up? 51:30 Rob and Jes thank Dave for joining 52:11 Debriefs 52:42 Rob's takeaways 56:29 Jes's takeaways 61:07 outro Thank you to DJ Pdogg and Producer Lo Key for our awesome music throughout the show! Follow DJ Pdogg online: http://www.djpdogg.com/ (www.djpdogg.com) https://twitter.com/DJPdogg?s=20 (Twitter) https://www.instagram.com/djpdogg/ (Instagram) Follow Producer Lo Key https://www.instagram.com/producerlokey/ (Instagram) Our sponsors: https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (ReCity Network) https://www.coastal24.com/ (Coastal Credit Union) Our hosts: Jes Averhart, cofounder of https://bwshomecoming.com/ (Black Wallstreet Homecoming) Rob Shields, executive director of the https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (Recity Network.) Our Producer: Ben Azevedo, owner of https://www.bearcaveaudio.com/ (Bear Cave Audio) Our Editor Chris Pappalardo

David Swanson, pastor of http://newcommunitycovenant.com/ (New Community Covenant Church), joins Rob and Jes on this episode of JUST. David is the author of “Rediscipling the White Church”, and also serves as the CEO of http://newcommunityoutreach.org/ (New Community Outreach), a non-profit organization working to reduce causes of trauma and raise opportunities for equity in Chicago. 0:00 Episode starts  1:30 Jes's check in 4:08 Rob's check in 6:02 David joins the conversation 7:09 Rob gives some background on David 10:00 How did David come to care about issues of justice and race? 13:24 Jes asks David to define and explain the title of his book 15:22 David describes three assumptions or tools that white organizations often use when addressing inequity 18:35 David acknowledges that there are many people against diversity, but he believes there is a large group that genuinely wants diversity and doesn't know how to get there 20:24 Rob asks how the increased awareness of injustice impacts David's book and message 21:35 The gravity of race is with those of us who are white 23:38 Interlude 24:05 Jes asks for some examples of how David's church has been successful in cultivating diversity 25:08 Connecting discipleship with racial justice, instead of viewing it as ministry 26:09 David tells a story about two pastors who developed a fusion friendship that changed their churches 29:41 A relationship isn't evidence of fixing injustice, it's an ecosystem from which to work 30:57 Rob asks David for personal examples of fusion friendships that shaped his life 33:10 David shares his relationship with one of his mentors 34:39 Jes calls for the show up moment 36:15 David reframes to “what do I need to do to become more trustworthy to my friends and neighbors of color?” 39:23 Jes asks if there's a network or high-level organization to coordinate this change 40:00 Rob gets “voluntold” to start the network 42:23 Jes calls for galvanization of racial reconciliation work 44:07 Rob thanks David for joining the show 44:54 David leaves the conversation 44:58 Debrief begins, Jes's takeaways 45:47 Rob's takeaways 50:19 Goodbyes and outro Thank you to DJ Pdogg and Producer Lo Key for our awesome music throughout the show! Follow DJ Pdogg online: http://www.djpdogg.com/ (www.djpdogg.com) https://twitter.com/DJPdogg?s=20 (Twitter) https://www.instagram.com/djpdogg/ (Instagram) Follow Producer Lo Key https://www.instagram.com/producerlokey/ (Instagram) Our sponsors: https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (ReCity Network) https://www.coastal24.com/ (Coastal Credit Union) Our hosts: Jes Averhart, cofounder of https://bwshomecoming.com/ (Black Wallstreet Homecoming) Rob Shields, executive director of the https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (Recity Network.) Our Producer: Ben Azevedo, owner of https://www.bearcaveaudio.com/ (Bear Cave Audio) Our Editor Chris Pappalardo

Join Jes and Rob in a conversation with Elizabeth Butler, Employment Team Manager with StepUp Durham. StepUp Durham transforms lives through employment and life skills training. Their vision is to be the premier resource in Durham for people seeking to improve their lives and develop stable employment.  0:00 Episode starts  1:12 Rob checks in with Jes 3:12 Jes checks in with Rob 4:52 Rob brings Elizabeth Butler onto the show 5:29 Rob introduces Elizabeth and StepUp Durham 7:51 Elizabeth tells her story and how she got where she is 10:48 Jes asks Elizabeth to elaborate on the variety of people she serves 13:19 Rob asks what one change would make the biggest difference to Elizabeth's work 15:31 Interlude 16:02 Elizabeth describes a day in her life 18:59 Rob shares some stats from StepUp Durham 20:40 Rob asks what Elizabeth's ultimate hope for StepUp Durham is 24:28 Elizabeth describes what drives her 27:27 Elizabeth talks about the great collaboration in Durham 28:27 Rob asks for the show up moment to land the plane 30:14 Jes closes out the interview and they say bye to Elizabeth 30:30 Debrief begins 31:02 Jes shares her takeaways 33:05 Rob shares his takeaways 36:12 Goodbyes and outro Thank you to DJ Pdogg and Producer Lo Key for our awesome music throughout the show! Follow DJ Pdogg online: http://www.djpdogg.com/ (www.djpdogg.com) https://twitter.com/DJPdogg?s=20 (Twitter) https://www.instagram.com/djpdogg/ (Instagram) Follow Producer Lo Key https://www.instagram.com/producerlokey/ (Instagram) Our sponsors: https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (ReCity Network) https://www.coastal24.com/ (Coastal Credit Union) Our hosts: Jes Averhart, cofounder of https://bwshomecoming.com/ (Black Wallstreet Homecoming) Rob Shields, executive director of the https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (Recity Network.) Our Producer: Ben Azevedo, owner of https://www.bearcaveaudio.com/ (Bear Cave Audio) Our Editor Chris Pappalardo

Jes and Rob interview Eve Picker of Small Change about Impact Investing in real estate. Eve is the founder and CEO of Small Change, a real estate investment crowdfunding platform. 0:00 Episode starts  2:09 Rob's check in 5:13 Jes's check in 8:56 Eve joins the conversation 9:20 Jes introduces Eve 10:50 Eve's check in 14:30 Jes asks about Eve's work 17:15 Eve talks about the wide range of people that are real estate developers 21:16 Eve talks about new laws that allow a shift in crowdfunding from donations to investment 23:54 Eve talks about the unfairness of exclusivity 25:44 Eve explains accredited investors and the lack of access to real estate 27:37 Eve describes the ways Small Change protects investors 28:52 Interlude 29:04 Jes asks about the impact of Eve's work, specifically around gentrification 31:19 Eve talks about a possible tool to protect people from gentrification 34:34 Eve talks about the differences she sees between cities like Pittsburgh and Atlanta 36:20 Rob asks Eve about fusion friendships she's experienced 38:00 Eve explains that part of the reason for Small Change is to explain real estate in plain English 39:53 Jes offers some show up moments 41:13 Debrief begins 41:22 Rob's takeaways 44:55 Jes's takeaways 48:56 Outro Thank you to DJ Pdogg and Producer Lo Key for our awesome music throughout the show! Follow DJ Pdogg online: http://www.djpdogg.com/ (www.djpdogg.com) https://twitter.com/DJPdogg?s=20 (Twitter) https://www.instagram.com/djpdogg/ (Instagram) Follow Producer Lo Key https://www.instagram.com/producerlokey/ (Instagram) Our sponsors: https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (ReCity Network) https://www.coastal24.com/ (Coastal Credit Union) Our hosts: Jes Averhart, cofounder of https://bwshomecoming.com/ (Black Wallstreet Homecoming) Rob Shields, executive director of the https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (Recity Network.) Our Producer: Ben Azevedo, owner of https://www.bearcaveaudio.com/ (Bear Cave Audio) Our Editor Chris Pappalardo

This episode of the JUST podcast features Keith Daniel & Tom Droege. As co-founders of Resilient Ventures, their mission is to close the wealth gap by expanding access to capital, networks, and opportunity to Black entrepreneurs. Tune in to hear your more about Resilient Ventures, the problem they are aiming to solve, and the importance of relational friendships over transactional relationships. 0:00 Episode starts  0:43 Personal check-ins start 1:37 Rob encourages people to go listen to the first episode 2:40 Jes talks about reading Best of Enemies and enjoys all of the history being brought to life 3:56 Rob talks about how the sunshine is affecting his mental health in positive ways after all the rain 7:06 Keith Daniels and Tom Droege with Resilient Ventures joins the conversation 8:03 Rob introduces the mission of Resilient Ventures and Keith and Tom 10:41 Rob asks about the history of Resilievent Ventures, the problem they are aiming to solve, how it is unique, and why the name 12:16 Tom talks about asking questions being a foundation to come up with solutions 14:37 Jes talks about the creativity that comes out of black communities that are not able to grow their dreams 16:36 Keith talks about resilient being a loaded word for the city of Durham and being inspired by a Biblical motivation and their own lives being marked by resilient 22:03 Jes asks what they have seen and the successes they've watched 22:32 Keith talks about being involved in leadership that encouraged him to care about this work 26:02 Keith talks about the tension of how money is being deployed and how it is being used 26:36 Rob asks about a specific story that encapsulates the spirit of Resilient Ventures 31:29 Jes talks about differentiating between charity versus funding 35:09 Keith talks about the world being a better place if we can work along the color line in integrated ways 37:30 Interlude 39:50 Jes asks how listeners can show up both personally and with Resilient Ventures 40:11 Tom talks about Keith teaching him about relational friendships, not transactional relationships 47:01 Tom and Keith sign off the conversation 48:29 Jes feels encouraged by how much impact Resilient Ventures has because of how different Tom and Keith are 53:04 Rob talks about the educational part that Resilient Ventures engages in and how he wants to be involved in that 56:16 Conversation ends 56:17 Outro Thank you to DJ Pdogg and Producer Lo Key for our awesome music throughout the show! Follow DJ Pdogg online: http://www.djpdogg.com/ (www.djpdogg.com) https://twitter.com/DJPdogg?s=20 (Twitter) https://www.instagram.com/djpdogg/ (Instagram) Follow Producer Lo Key https://www.instagram.com/producerlokey/ (Instagram) Our sponsors: https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (ReCity Network) https://www.coastal24.com/ (Coastal Credit Union) Our hosts: Jes Averhart, cofounder of https://bwshomecoming.com/ (Black Wallstreet Homecoming) Rob Shields, executive director of the https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (Recity Network.) Our Producer: Ben Azevedo, owner of https://www.bearcaveaudio.com/ (Bear Cave Audio) Our Editor Chris Pappalardo

Osha Gray Davidson, author of 'The Best of Enemies' and host of the American Project podcast, shares more about the unlikely friendship of Ann Atwater, a committed civil rights activist, and C.P. Ellis, a leader in Durham's Ku Klux Klan chapter. 0:00 Episode starts  0:43 Personal check-ins start 2:19 Jes talks about her birthday and loving the process of getting older and her son deciding to go to Florida Atlantic 6:10 Rob talks about enrolling his son in preschool and how all of his kids will be in school 9:16 Osha Gray Davidson joins the conversation 10:15 Rob introduces Osha 11:45 Rob asks about Osha and what inspired him to tell the story in Best of Enemies 12:46 Osha talks about a big motivation for telling the story of Ann and CP was how little he knew about race 16:21 Jes asks what characteristics about both Ann and CP he admires 16:39 Osha talks about Ann's resilience, her increased capacity to fight, and her core principles of progress 19:13 Osha talks about CP's capacity to change 21:45 Rob introduces a theme of the season of “fusion friendships” 21:58 Rob asks how we apply lessons from Ann and CP's relationship and how to form similar relationships 22:50 Osha answers that we need to hold fast to principles while not dehumanizing people and also recognizing that everyone has capacity to change 26:01 Osha talks about an experience where he saw a glimpse of being dehumanized as a Jew in the Midwest 29:22 Jes asks why he chose to frame the story with such an emphasis on Durham 29:45 Osha talks about how their relationship couldn't and wouldn't have been possible if it wasn't for the circumstances in Durham 32:53 Rob asks about the quote “race and class as the siamese twins of the south” and asks Osha to unpack that concept and how he saw that place out 50 years ago and now 34:05 Osha talks about learning how class-based solutions won't solve race-based problems 38:35 Interlude 42:21 Jes asks about the American Project and his why 45:01 Osha talks about a shift in mindset for needing  to address solutions, specifically when it came to reparations 47:26 Osha talks about Patrick Henry encouraging the end of slavery 54:36 Rob asks about a show-up moment 54:48 Osha encourages white people to educate themselves then align themselves with movement for justice 59:17 Osah signs off the conversation 59:50 Jes talks about change, Ann being an agent of change and CP recognizing his ability to change 1:01:48 Rob shares his reflection about Ann's towering presence, how she never compromised truth and loved at the same time 1:04:19 Conversation ends 1:04:22 Outro Thank you to DJ Pdogg and Producer Lo Key for our awesome music throughout the show! Follow DJ Pdogg online: http://www.djpdogg.com/ (www.djpdogg.com) https://twitter.com/DJPdogg?s=20 (Twitter) https://www.instagram.com/djpdogg/ (Instagram) Follow Producer Lo Key https://www.instagram.com/producerlokey/ (Instagram) Our sponsors: https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (ReCity Network) https://www.coastal24.com/ (Coastal Credit Union) Our hosts: Jes Averhart, cofounder of https://bwshomecoming.com/ (Black Wallstreet Homecoming) Rob Shields, executive director of the https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (Recity Network.) Our Producer: Ben Azevedo, owner of https://www.bearcaveaudio.com/ (Bear Cave Audio) Our Editor Chris Pappalardo

As we approach MLK weekend, we invite you to lean into the truths of our shared story so we can rediscover our shared humanity and reimagine a new chapter for ourselves, our communities and our nation, together. We have to be willing to learn from the injustices of our past and be willing to trace them back to the roots, both in our systems and our hearts, if we're ever going to see these wounds heal.Hear special guest Pastor James White wrestle with the question of where we go from here, chaos or community, in next week's JUST podcast double episode finale. 0:00 Episode starts  0:43 Personal check-ins start 1:47 Rob talks about how excited they both are about the guest 4:34 Jes talks about Martin Luther King, Jr. Day and being re-inspired by the new year 5:10 Pastor James White joins the conversation 6:40 Rob introduces James 9:24 Rob asks about one to two words that he would use to describe today 10:50 James talks about Martin Luther King, Jr. and reframing how we live in a nightmare to living in a dream 14:26 Jes asks about his story and who inspires him 15:25 James talks about being born in a post-racial illusion 20:26 James talks about growing up with two different parental views of working hard 22:24 James talks about learning how to navigate white cultures from a young age being the first in his family to go to segregated school 25:00 James talks about living in a way that your life makes a difference 29:29 Rob talks about the weight and influence of Luther's story on his work in justice 31:32 James talks about how the black church was critical to helping these people grow into themselves after getting out of slavery 35:02 James talks about how Dr. King was exposing systemic problems at a level that made everyone uncomfortable 37:15 James talks about how Dr. King teaches in a way that he dealt with things through changing systems 38:49 Interlude 39:44 Jes asks about how he learns lessons from failures and how to practically implement that into his work and how he wants to leave the YMCA changed 43:06 James talks about the difference between his work at the Y versus through the Y 45:10 James talks about being a healthy spirit, mind and body and addressing the systems that are inequitable 49:36 Rob asks the church's role in all of this and to do justice in a way that communities need 52:00 James talks about going to Africa to speak at a conference to present on the impact of the Middle Passage 54:04 James talks about the problem between the difference of church and who we are outside of it 59:12 James talks about being afraid when people who call themselves Christians aren't moved to empathy when they hear stories of injustice 1:01:56 Jes asks about the biggest obstacle  1:03:57 James talks about missing how we see each other as humans and that humanity means that we are connected together 1:08:30 Jes encourages listeners to understand how Pastor White's ideas are true for each of them and how that plays out in their lives and their communities 1:09:15 Rob asks how listeners can show-up and engage in the work Pastor White is doing 1:09:47 James acknowledges that this conversation requires courage and living authentically into our own stories to make peace with that 1:16:55 Conversation ends 1:16:57 Outro Thank you to DJ Pdogg and Producer Lo Key for our awesome music throughout the show! Follow DJ Pdogg online: http://www.djpdogg.com/ (www.djpdogg.com) https://twitter.com/DJPdogg?s=20 (Twitter) https://www.instagram.com/djpdogg/ (Instagram) Follow Producer Lo Key https://www.instagram.com/producerlokey/ (Instagram) Our sponsors: https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (ReCity Network) https://www.coastal24.com/ (Coastal Credit Union) Our hosts: Jes Averhart, cofounder of https://bwshomecoming.com/ (Black Wallstreet Homecoming) Rob Shields, executive director of the https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (Recity Network.) Our Producer: Ben Azevedo, owner of...

As we approach MLK weekend, we invite you to lean into the truths of our shared story so we can rediscover our shared humanity and reimagine a new chapter for ourselves, our communities and our nation, together. We have to be willing to learn from the injustices of our past and be willing to trace them back to the roots, both in our systems and our hearts, if we're ever going to see these wounds heal. Hear special guest Dr. Sandy Darity wrestle with the question of where we go from here, chaos or community, in next week's JUST podcast double episode finale. 0:00 Episode starts  0:43 Personal check-ins start 1:52 Rob talks about feeling the despair of the last few week's events but feeling a renewed conviction 5:15 Jes talks about people being not surprised, and her word is being anchored 8:08 Rob frames up the last two episodes in asking the question: Where do we go from here: Chaos or Community? 11:17 Sandy Darity, Jr. joins the conversation 11:55 Rob introduces Sandy 13:13 Rob asks Sandy why this topic is so important to Sandy and how this cause became personal 13:32 Sandy talks about growing up in North Carolina and growing up in formative parts of legal segregation 15:59 Sandy talks about how reparations for descendents are not exclusively for those of slavery 18:49 Sandy talks about arguing in his book the need to close the racial wealth gap which could mean up to $10-$12 trillion dollars 20:01 Jes asks how reparations is defined, what it is and what is it not 21:08 Sandy uses his book definition of “program of acknowledgement redressing closure for a  previous injustice” 24:13 Sandy brings up a Malcom X quote about pulling the knife out and healing the wound being two different things 29:55 Rob asks what it would look like practically to execute this plan for reparations 30:27 Sandy addresses misperceptions as to why people might disagree with this idea 32:31 Sandy talks about three things needed for a plan: 1) specific plan for who qualifies, 2) establishing what the amount should be, 3) to make direct payments to individual recipients 34:41 Interlude 36:09 Jes asks if financial reparations are deployed, how and what is that going to last in the community 39:11 Sandy addresses their argument that having wealth as a foundation is a basis for business development 45:40 Sandy talks about House Resolution 40 as a commission that is supposed to generate a reparations plan 47:37 Rob asks what the biggest obstacle is that stands in the way of execution of reparations 48:08 Sandy talks about misperceptions associated with how people think about the sources of existing racial inequality 49:47 Jes encourages listeners to read the book From Here to Equality: Reparations for Black Americans in the 21st Century 50:17 Jes asks how listeners can engage with this work 50:32 Sandy talks about the Homestead Act and how that disproportionately aided slave owners over the slaves themselves when it came to land grants 54:33 Sandy signs off the conversation 55:46 Rob talks about this problem and the solution being cleaner 59:29 Rob talks about the power of narrative and misperceptions 1:02:59 Jes talks about they why of doing this work beyond just moving us into an equitable space 1:03:28 Jes and Rob talk about holding on to a spirit of hope 1:08:17 Conversation ends 1:08:20 Outro 1:08:39 Preview of next episode Thank you to DJ Pdogg and Producer Lo Key for our awesome music throughout the show! Follow DJ Pdogg online: http://www.djpdogg.com/ (www.djpdogg.com) https://twitter.com/DJPdogg?s=20 (Twitter) https://www.instagram.com/djpdogg/ (Instagram) Follow Producer Lo Key https://www.instagram.com/producerlokey/ (Instagram) Our sponsors: https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (ReCity Network) https://www.coastal24.com/ (Coastal Credit Union) Our hosts: Jes Averhart, cofounder of https://bwshomecoming.com/ (Black Wallstreet Homecoming) Rob Shields, executive director of the...

Tune in to hear Chris Everett, director of Wilmington on Fire, tell the untold story of the only successful coup d'etat in US history and how an event over 100 years ago sent shockwaves across the nation that are still being felt today. 0:00 Episode starts  0:43 Personal check-ins start 5:45 Rob brings up guest Chris Everett, director of Wilmington on Fire 6:00 Chris joins the conversation 7:27 Rob introduces Chris Everett 9:08 Jes reads the synopsis of Wilmington on Fire 10:58 Jes asks Chris about his story 12:41 Chris talks about growing up having to do book reports and learning a lot about history 13:01 Chris talks about doing a project for school on Wilmington and discovering how little is told 14:18 Rob asks how he found all this information and why specifically this documentary 14:27 Chris talks about his uncle living in Wilmington and initially hearing about it from him 19:41 Jes asks how you bring the story to life and how long it took in the whole process 21:22 Chris recommends Banish, about racial massacres in the South 23:29 Chris mentions the people who helped him create the story 26:53 Interlude 29:40 Rob asks what makes the documentary so crucial at this point in history 30:56 Chris talks about the rise of conscious to elevate these stories 35:07 Jes asks about the biggest injustice in the story 35:19 Chris talks about how this was hidden to American citizens and nothing was done to correct the wrongs which led to people not knowing their full histories 37:25 Chris talks about how their has not been restitutions for this event 41:25 Rob asks what people would take away and what change it could spark 42:09 Chris hopes this film would be motivation for people to find out about their family's histories 45:58 Jes asks how listeners can put what they learned into practice 46:07 Chris encourages listeners to vote 47:29 Chris talks about Wilmington 2 and the focus being the present of fusion movement 51:26 Chris mentions his martial arts documentary called Grand Master and getting accepted into a documentary fellowship lab 53:25 Chris signs off the conversation 53:47 Rob talks about recentering his framework that this happened because of the good of multiracial coalitions were happening 55:51 Jes talks about talking about anti-racism because of the importance of recognizing the trauma around a people who are our neighbors 1:00:32 Rob encourages listeners to watch the documentary and this address their own stories 1:02:22 Conversation ends 1:02:23 Outro Thank you to DJ Pdogg and Producer Lo Key for our awesome music throughout the show! Follow DJ Pdogg online: http://www.djpdogg.com/ (www.djpdogg.com) https://twitter.com/DJPdogg?s=20 (Twitter) https://www.instagram.com/djpdogg/ (Instagram) Follow Producer Lo Key https://www.instagram.com/producerlokey/ (Instagram) Our sponsors: https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (ReCity Network) https://www.coastal24.com/ (Coastal Credit Union) Our hosts: Jes Averhart, cofounder of https://bwshomecoming.com/ (Black Wallstreet Homecoming) Rob Shields, executive director of the https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (Recity Network.) Our Producer: Ben Azevedo, owner of https://www.bearcaveaudio.com/ (Bear Cave Audio) Our Editor Chris Pappalardo

Each guest from Season Two shares the practical ways you can show up, lean in, and be a change-maker in your community this New Year. 0:00 Episode starts  1:30 Jes talks about reflecting on 2020 and putting up their Christmas tree 4:22 Rob introduces this bonus episode as a way for listeners to show up in 2021 as they are making resolutions 6:17 Rob talks about the importance of being others'-focused and leaning into community and justice 7:05 Interlude 7:14 David Spickard's show-up moment 7:56 Tammy Rodman, Keith Daniel, and Reynolds Chapman's show-up moments 11:14 Harvey Hinton's show-up moment 12:13 Kate Goodwin's show-up moment 13:50 Brittany K Barnett's show-up moment 14:42 Interlude 14:58 Daryl Atkinson's show-up moment 15:43 Jes and Rob's show-up moments 16:50 Donna Harris' show-up moment 17:07 Tameka Brown's show-up moment 17:57 Magen Gonzales-Smith's show-up moment 19:27 Mekaelia Davis' show-up moment 20:36 Katie Rose Levin's show-up moment 21:14 Interlude 21:24 Jes and Rob chime back in to land the plane 22:27 Jes talks about educating ourselves and rooted in our value system to be able to share with others 23:44 Jes addresses the gap that the podcast isn't necessarily the way to gain depth on these topics 25:16 Rob talks about the importance of not waiting to take action, but educating yourself on the go 26:14 Google - Year in Search video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rokGy0huYEA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rokGy0huYEA) 30:00 Rob talks about being filled with hope because of the people doing the work 30:52 Jes asks listeners to share which show-up moment resonated the most 31:43 Jes wishes everyone a Happy New Years and good energy into the new year 32:18 Conversation ends 32:23 Outro Thank you to DJ Pdogg and Producer Lo Key for our awesome music throughout the show! Follow DJ Pdogg online: http://www.djpdogg.com/ (www.djpdogg.com) https://twitter.com/DJPdogg?s=20 (Twitter) https://www.instagram.com/djpdogg/ (Instagram) Follow Producer Lo Key https://www.instagram.com/producerlokey/ (Instagram) Our sponsors: https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (ReCity Network) https://www.coastal24.com/ (Coastal Credit Union) Our hosts: Jes Averhart, cofounder of https://bwshomecoming.com/ (Black Wallstreet Homecoming) Rob Shields, executive director of the https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (Recity Network.) Our Producer: Ben Azevedo, owner of https://www.bearcaveaudio.com/ (Bear Cave Audio) Our Editor Chris Pappalardo

Tune in to hear Katie Rose Levin, Executive Director of TreesDurham, talk about how trees are the perfect technology to making us happy, healthy, and wealthy and to bringing economic justice to the world. 0:00 Episode starts  0:43 Personal check-ins start 1:20 Jes talks about being grateful to be alive during this time to see humanity and the waking up 4:01 Jes talks about going to the mountains with her son and mom as an annual retreat 5:37 Rob talks about loving buying his kids holiday presents because this is the age he remembers what presents he had 8:08 Katie Rose Levin, Executive Director of TreesDurham, joins the call 9:08 Rob introduces Katie Rose 11:57 Rob asks Katie Rose why trees 12:07 Katie Rose talks about how trees are the perfect technology to making us happy, healthy, and wealthy and to bring economic justice to the world 16:03 Jes asks Katie Rose where her passion comes from and what led her to this career 16:13 Katie Rose talks about growing up in the middle of nowhere and the woods being a refuge for her 16:38 Katie Rose talks about leading trips down to the Amazon forest during college 17:29 Katie Rose talks about being inspired by women of color in Atlanta who organized to push for better air quality for their children 20:55 Rob asks about the history of Durham's trees and the roles they have played in perpetuating injustice in the community 22:50 Katie Rose talks about the redlining that happened in Durham in the 40s and how trees were a part of the resources allocated to white communities only 25:50 Interlude 27:47 Jes asks if she had a magic wand how she would solve this problem of environmental injustice at the larger scale that can be modeled in communities across the country 28:05 Katie Rose talks about the importance of valuing the people in front of you and nature being a part of what they deserve as humans 29:05 Katie Rose talks about going to work and bringing your whole person so that you can reflect on how decisions affect yourself and your family and giving that accessibility to everyone 34:58 Rob asks Katie Rose gives her hope that we can make more meaningful change 36:32 Katie Rose talks about having hope because she is surrounded by it 38:06 Jes asks Katie Rose for one thing people can do to push forward and show-up 38:59 Katie Rose talks about little seeds growing into trees of justice  41:52 Katie Rose signs off the conversation 44:58 Rob asks Jes what stood out most to her 46:03 Jes talks about seeing the environmental injustice in a more heavy light and having a new outlook to the relevance and importance of this work 47:40 Rob talks about the importance of seeing the whole justice ecosystem as an ecosystem 52:00 Rob shares the TreesDurham website to follow along with their newsletter and see volunteer opportunities 54:00 Conversation ends 54:02 Outro 54:21 Preview of next episode, a compilation of all of the previous show-up moments Thank you to DJ Pdogg and Producer Lo Key for our awesome music throughout the show! Follow DJ Pdogg online: http://www.djpdogg.com/ (www.djpdogg.com) https://twitter.com/DJPdogg?s=20 (Twitter) https://www.instagram.com/djpdogg/ (Instagram) Follow Producer Lo Key https://www.instagram.com/producerlokey/ (Instagram) Our sponsors: https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (ReCity Network) https://www.coastal24.com/ (Coastal Credit Union) Our hosts: Jes Averhart, cofounder of https://bwshomecoming.com/ (Black Wallstreet Homecoming) Rob Shields, executive director of the https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (Recity Network.) Our Producer: Ben Azevedo, owner of https://www.bearcaveaudio.com/ (Bear Cave Audio) Our Editor Chris Pappalardo

Tune in to hear Mekaelia Davis, Program Director of the Inclusive Economics Program at the Surdna Foundation, talk about the importance of getting comfortable with being uncomfortable and about how charity is not a replacement for justice. 0:00 Episode starts  2:36 Jes talks about enjoying fall and the season change 2:49 Rob asks for self-care tips from listeners 3:17 Rob welcomes on guest Mekaelia Davis 5:11 Rob introduces Mekaelia, Program Director of the Inclusive Economics program at the Surdna Foundation 6:08 Rob asks Mekaelia to share about her story, what led her to this work, and the work she is doing now 7:58 Mekaelia talks about how her career is shaped by asking herself how we give people agency and choice that dictates who has access to economic opportunity 10:00 Jes introduces Mekaelia's article “Risks for the Future We Want” 11:15 Jes asks Mekaelia to help unpack the article to understand what we are talking about 13:44 Mekaelia talks about how racism is perpetuated by the surrounding the notion of hierarchy of who gets to have power with black people at the bottom 19:14 Rob asks Mekaelia why she started with the point of getting comfortable with being uncomfortable and why it is so important 20:08 Mekaelia talks about change being uncomfortable because we are human and we like routine and the familiar 23:29 Mekaelia encourages listeners to try to think about anything in their lives that has changed without discomfort 24:50 Jes asks Mekaelia to unpack some statistics about funding and how to disrupt the change 25:53 Mekaelia talks about the difference between project-based grant vs a general fund 29:23 Mekaelia makes the point that how we choose what is credible needs to change first 29:37 Interlude 33:11 Mekaelia makes the point that how we decide who we trust is based on these values that are rooted in racism 40:27 Rob makes the point that charity is not a replacement for justice 41:36 Rob asks Makealia her why and what gives her hope to keep going 43:07 Mekalia talks about being inspired by all of the things we have accomplished as humans and the sacrifice she is willing to make for future generations 45:43 Jes asks Mekaelia to share a show-up moment for listeners 47:05 Mekalia shares that ideas matter because what we think about, translates into what we do 50:40 Mekalia signs off of the conversation 51:27 Rob asks Jes to pick one thing that stood out the most in the conversation  51:39 Jes answers by saying that the conversation around trust became emotional for her 54:17 Jes asks Rob about his takeaways 55:24 Rob talks about taking away that change in our life without discomfort isn't actually possible 57:45 Conversation ends 57:47 Outro Thank you to DJ Pdogg and Producer Lo Key for our awesome music throughout the show! Follow DJ Pdogg online: http://www.djpdogg.com/ (www.djpdogg.com) https://twitter.com/DJPdogg?s=20 (Twitter) https://www.instagram.com/djpdogg/ (Instagram) Follow Producer Lo Key https://www.instagram.com/producerlokey/ (Instagram) Our sponsors: https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (ReCity Network) https://www.coastal24.com/ (Coastal Credit Union) Our hosts: Jes Averhart, cofounder of https://bwshomecoming.com/ (Black Wallstreet Homecoming) Rob Shields, executive director of the https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (Recity Network.) Our Producer: Ben Azevedo, owner of https://www.bearcaveaudio.com/ (Bear Cave Audio) Our Editor Chris Pappalardo

Tune in to hear Magen Gonzalez-Smith, the Executive Director of DPS Foundation, unpack how the pandemic has fostered a sense of urgency around digital and educational equity, and how her work is focused on galvanizing community resources to help strengthen and support public schools in Durham. 0:00 Episode starts  0:43 Personal check-ins start 1:02 Rob talks about being hopeful because of the conversations happening on the podcast that change is possible 2:18 Jes talks about being curious as a small part of a bigger picture of where we need to go 3:32 Magen Gonzales-Smith joins the conversation 4:10 Jes introduces Magen 6:06 Jes asks Magen to pick one word to describe how she is doing 6:11 Magen talks about feeling energized about the momentum around how the community is coming together to lift up students 7:14 Jes asks Magen about her story, how she got to where she is, and where her passion for public education was derived 7:52 Magen talks about growing up in a split family where part had a lot of privilege and the other part that consisted of her dad being the first in his family to continue school past 8th grade 10:32 Rob quotes a CNN article talking about how inequalities throughout the education system are exposed by distance learning of the pandemic 11:32 Rob asks Magen about the work that the DPS Foundation does and how they work to address the inequities of public schools in Durham 11:52 Magen talks about the pandemic creating a sense of urgency among digital learning 12:40 Magen talks about how DPS Foundation is focused on creating support for the public schools to galvanize community resources to help strengthen schools 13:07 Magen shares about three ways they are responding to digital inequity in this crisis: Family Relief Fund, The Hope Network, and the Excelling Digital Equity Campaign 15:42 Magen shares about four things that are essential to successful remote learning that they are raising funds for: access to technology and internet, insuring that teachers are well-supported, insuring adequate tech support, and space conducive to their learning 19:50 Jes asks what the biggest challenge is in Magen's work 20:11 Magen shares that the biggest challenge is that we do not have adequate funding for public education 21:44 Magen talks about wanting to be a good partner in working along organizations to be stronger together 24:52 Rob shares about Bull150's newest exhibit called “The Schools We All Deserve” 25:08 Rob asks about the history of public school education and the importance of tackling that chapter in our story 25:55 Magen shares about a core value of the foundation being that they believe public schools can lead in dismantling systemic racism when they address current and historic systems of inequality 28:41 Magen talks about the goal that Durham public schools would more accurately reflect the communities 30:53 Rob asks Magen about what gives her hope in her work personally that keeps her going 31:15 Magen talks about feeling energized because she gets to see the incredible ways Durham shows up and cares for neighbors 33:42 Jes asks Magen how listeners can showup for the community  33:46 Magen shares three ways how listeners can showup: volunteering through the Durham Hope Network, giving to the Digital Equity Campaign, and amplifying messages through social media 36:58 Magen signs off the conversation 37:43 Rob shares that he takes away that Magen captures so well in her job the importance of looking at our history to be able to change how things are going now 39:12 Jes talks about the importance of acknowledging our past and future, but being able to pull ourselves out of it to be able to move forward 43:44 Conversation ends 43:47 Outro Thank you to DJ Pdogg and Producer Lo Key for our awesome music throughout the show! Follow DJ Pdogg online: http://www.djpdogg.com/ (www.djpdogg.com) https://twitter.com/DJPdogg?s=20 (Twitter)...

Founder and Executive Director of H.E.A.R.T.S. Tameka Brown shares how teen moms and dads captured her heart and how her organization equips teen parents towards independence. 0:00 Episode starts  0:43 Personal check-ins start 2:57 Jes talks about having a lot going on in her personal life 5:07 Tameka Brown joins the conversation 5:30 Rob introduces Tameka 7:25 Tameka gives her personal check-in and talks about being humbled and busy 10:17 Jes asks Tameka about her story and how and why H.E.A.R.T.S. was started 10:37 Tameka shares her story of school and how teen moms became a soft spot in her heart because of her best friend 14:34 Rob asks Tameka about who she serves, the challenges they are facing, and H.E.A.R.T.S. works to address those problems 15:00 Tameka shares about her organization 16:13 Rob asks Tameka about the services H.E.A.R.T.S. provides 16:42 Tameka shares about different programs and services H.E.A.R.T.S. is able to offer to teen moms and dads 20:37 Interlude 20:57 Jes asks Tameka one thing she wished other people understood about her work 21:13 Tameka talks about how much hurt comes from how the world looks at teen pregnancy and narrows it down to statistics 24:01 Rob asks about one particular story that holds resiliency 24:23 Tameka tells two stories about two participants who have been strong 28:40 Jes asks if there was one thing Tameka could fix 29:11 Tameka talks about making sure everyone in the organization or anyone who encounters it would be touched by God 33:41 Rob asks Tameka about her why and what keeps her going on a day-to-day basis 33:59 Tameka shares how essential worship has been, how her baby girl keeps her going, and that her teen moms need her 35:55 Rob asks how listeners can show up and engage in H.E.A.R.T.S. work 36:17 Tameka encourages people to go to the website and subscribe to the newsletter, making donations, and following on social media 38:26 Tameka encourages people to support ReCity and how important it has been to be in that space 39:22 Conversation ends 39:28 Outro Thank you to DJ Pdogg and Producer Lo Key for our awesome music throughout the show! Follow DJ Pdogg online: http://www.djpdogg.com/ (www.djpdogg.com) https://twitter.com/DJPdogg?s=20 (Twitter) https://www.instagram.com/djpdogg/ (Instagram) Follow Producer Lo Key https://www.instagram.com/producerlokey/ (Instagram) Our sponsors: https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (ReCity Network) https://www.coastal24.com/ (Coastal Credit Union) Our hosts: Jes Averhart, cofounder of https://bwshomecoming.com/ (Black Wallstreet Homecoming) Rob Shields, executive director of the https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (Recity Network.) Our Producer: Ben Azevedo, owner of https://www.bearcaveaudio.com/ (Bear Cave Audio) Our Editor Chris Pappalardo

Guest host Charles Robinson, Founder of Robinson Consulting Group, joins Rob and special guest Donna Harris, Founder of Builders and Backers, to discuss the importance of lament in problem-solving and how to build ecosystems that are truly just. Episode Summary: 0:00 Episode begins 0:43 Personal check-ins start 1:20 Rob introduces Charles Robinson, filling in for Jes 2:13 Rob reads Charles's bio as an entrepreneur, marketing guru, husband, and dad 2:48 Charles gives his personal check-in, sharing about his four kids 4:23 Rob talks about processing heavy things, but clinging to hope 5:14 Rob introduces Donna Harris, CEO of Builders and Backers 8:04 Rob asks Donna for one word to describe how she is doing 8:10 Donna talks about hanging in there, but holding out on hope 8:32 Donna uses the analogy of a snow-globe of injustice and economic crisis being shaken up, but not knowing how it will settle 9:56 Charles asks Donna about her story 10:12 Donna talks about wanting to work on Wall Street 11:56 Donna talks about quitting her job and launching in a threshold of entrepreneurship as a tool that can be used to solve big problems 14:31 Rob brings up a previous conversation he heard with Donna about the importance of lament in stepping into injustice 15:25 Donna acknowledges the tendency to jump to action, to solve and answer 15:56 When we race to the solution, we skip over the critical things that build community and relationships 16:29 Donna talks about problems being emotional for people and need to be reframed to understand that 16:54 Donna shares about going to Haiti and meeting a little boy there, being broken by serving him then having to leave him 17:47 Do we care enough to solve the problems that are deep? 18:42 We have to care, and in that depth of lament, comes an openness to solutions that we might not have entertained if we had not paused to feel the full weight 19:30 Charles talks about the need to balance between going fast and going deep and the importance of relationships 20:52 Charles asks about how we actually creating flourishing cities 21:30 Donna admits that our country optimizes for wealth and for fame and we are dealing with the consequences of that on the back-end 22:46 A thriving community sees serving and solving, philanthropy and investment as a whole, in which case we are all on the same team 25:37 Poverty is a lot of little problems 26:00 Interlude 27:17 Charles asks how to figure out ways for servers and solvers to take their moments to lament then come together to serve the whole person 28:51 We not have have to be right, we are committed to solving the problem 30:26 We all have different hypotheses and care about the problem, it's ok if we have different solutions as long as we agree with common humanity 31:44 Rob talks about the important crossover of businesses, nonprofits, and faith communities 32:17 Rob asks about the day in the life of Builders and Backers, and living out these value systems in the communities they come alongside of 32:42 Rob asks Donna about what could be solved by a magic wand that would have a ripple effect in solving injustice 33:51 Donna talks about the ten spirals of stress that work together for a system of brokenness 35:41 One part mobilizing and equipping, and we are backing the things that could make a significant debt in the brokenness of systems 36:59 There is a whole lot that can be done in our community and it starts local 38:27 Charles asks Donna her why and what keeps her going 39:00 Donna talks about being a person of faith, seeing brokenness everywhere, but knowing that problems are solvable 39:56 Donna talks about a main problem being our selfishness, wanting to get ahead and achieve, and how that inhibits us from seeing one another 42:08 Rob talks about the importance of what we optimize and who it values 44:47 Rob asks about where listeners can get involved 44:50 Donna shares http://buildersandbackers.com...

For the first time, the JUST podcast hosted a crossover episode with the Who is my Neighbor? podcast, teaching Vera Cecelski and Georie Bryant. Tune in to understand the importance of knowing the stories of our communities and how to talk about our history in ways that seek justice. 0:00 Episode starts  0:43 Personal check-ins start 1:54 Rob announces crossover episode 3:01 Rob introduces Tammy, Keith, and Reynolds from DurhamCares 4:15 Jes praises Who Is My Neighbor for how they allow space for people to tell their stories 5:20 Will start to see gaps in how history is presented through questions 7:16 Rob talks about the importance of knowing the true stories of our communities 8:40 Who Is My Neighbor episode begins 9:01 Tammy introduces Vera Cecelski, site manager at Stagville State Historic Site 9:44 Tammy introduces Georie Bryant, descendent of enslaved people at Stagville 10:09 Tammy asks how they came to care about their stories and history and how it plays a role in their lives now 10:25 Vera talks about being invested in stories from a very young age because her father was a historian 14:41 Georie talks about history being a part of dinner conversations and learning about the black history in Durham in 4th grade 16:58 Georie talks about being on the Pilgrimage of Pain and Hope with his mom and learning about familial personal connections while on the tour at Stagville 18:36 Public history is a huge part of how we change the narrative 20:49 Keith asks about public symbols and historic sites in Durham and how they reflect our values 21:13 Vera shares that public symbols and spaces in Durham do not accurately reflect the people and the legacy 27:58 Georie talks about Confederate monuments in North Carolina and thinking about what those things represent for people who were indigineous and who were enslaved 32:20 Georie talks about the tension of acknowledging the wrong and giving space to process, not just wiping out the history 36:12 Reynolds asks what we should consider as we tell our history in a way that seeks justice 36:36 Georie talks about how we can not change history, so acknowledging to then be able to tell the story 43:25 Vera talks about the fundamental difference between a name on a highway and a monument 51:07 Vera talks about the importance of memory to action and enabling connectections to be forged 55:16 Tammy asks the guests who is our neighbor and what it looks like to love your neighbor 56:09 Georie talks about love meaning not letting someone do something that is harmful to themselves and being willing to confront them because you care 59:41 Vera talks about deep empathy being essential to bring someone into contact with deep narrative and discomfort that is essential to learning 1:04:36 Keith closes the conversation and thanks Vera and Georie 1:07:03 Who Is My Neighbor Episode Ends 1:07:06 Outro Thank you to DJ Pdogg and Producer Lo Key for our awesome music throughout the show! Follow DJ Pdogg online: http://www.djpdogg.com/ (www.djpdogg.com) https://twitter.com/DJPdogg?s=20 (Twitter) https://www.instagram.com/djpdogg/ (Instagram) Follow Producer Lo Key https://www.instagram.com/producerlokey/ (Instagram) Our sponsors: https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (ReCity Network) https://www.coastal24.com/ (Coastal Credit Union) Our hosts: Jes Averhart, cofounder of https://bwshomecoming.com/ (Black Wallstreet Homecoming) Rob Shields, executive director of the https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (Recity Network.) Our Producer: Ben Azevedo, owner of https://www.bearcaveaudio.com/ (Bear Cave Audio) Our Editor Chris Pappalardo

Jes and Rob take some time to process the 2020 election, how justice intersects with politics, and what gives them hope amongst division. Episode Summary: 0:00 - Intro 0:48 - Episode start 1:23 - Rob sets expectations for the listeners 5:40 - Jes talks about flashbacks to 2016 election 7:05 - Jes talks about tribalism but living together 8:07 - Rob is hopeful about shared humanity 9:50 - Jes talks about more people showing up to vote on both sides 13:10 - Rob talks about how justice intersects with politics 14:50 - Jes talks about taking the election personally 17:00 - Rob emphasizes that we need to reimagine a new story 20:15 - Jes talks about forming biases 21:43 - Rob talks about politicians not having an answer to who we are as a country 24:22 - Interlude 24:49 - Rob quotes Dave Chappelle 27:56 - Jes talks about what gave her hope the day after the election 31:00 - Rob talks about being rooted in values that transcend this season 33:35 - Jes talks about decentering one's self to make room for new stories 35:37 - Rob says this feels familiar, the same conversation we've had for a year and a half 38:10 - Jes thanks the listeners 39:22 - Rob asks for Jes's show up moment 40:05 - Jes talks about being more self-aware, and making space for new information 41:49 - Rob asks “what shapes my thinking, and what are the sources?” 44:07 - Rob gives info for ReCity fundraiser event 45:34 - Sign off 45:40 - Outro Thank you to DJ Pdogg and Producer Lo Key for our awesome music throughout the show! Follow DJ Pdogg online: http://www.djpdogg.com/ (www.djpdogg.com) https://twitter.com/DJPdogg?s=20 (Twitter) https://www.instagram.com/djpdogg/ (Instagram) Follow Producer Lo Key https://www.instagram.com/producerlokey/ (Instagram) Our sponsors: https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (ReCity Network) https://www.coastal24.com/ (Coastal Credit Union) Our hosts: Jes Averhart, cofounder of https://bwshomecoming.com/ (Black Wallstreet Homecoming) Rob Shields, executive director of the https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (Recity Network.) Our Producer: Ben Azevedo, owner of https://www.bearcaveaudio.com/ (Bear Cave Audio) Our Editor: Chris Pappalardo

Voting is a right, not a privilege. There is no more timely a podcast than the one we just dropped today. Good friend Daryl Atkinson of Forward Justice talks about The Controversial Reality of Voter Suppression and the affects it has on our communities. 0:00 Episode starts  0:00 Show beings 0:43 Personal checkins start 1:34 Jes mentions voting by mail and her son being able to officially vote 2:46 Rob affirms Jes in the way she is teaching her son to carry the weight of voting 4:06 Rob talks about caring a new lens into this voting season 6:10 Rob mentions ReCity gearing up for the end of the season and holding stories which makes it hard to separate personal from everything else 7:43 Daryl Atkinson joins the conversation 8:31 Rob reads Daryl's bio 9:57 Rob asks Daryl about his story and how he got to be doing this work 10:27 Daryl mentions being arrested in 1996 and serving 40 months of 10 year sentence 11:04 Daryl went back to school after getting out of prison to practice law in Minnesota and North Carolina 11:43 Daryl shares that if he was to return to his birthplace, he would not be able to vote because he still owes money to the state 11:52 Daryl shares that he is impacted by this problem on a personal level which is why he does and this work and how he got to where he is 14:00 Jes asks Daryl to unpack voter suppression - what it means, how it shows up, and why it is important 14:14 Daryl states that voter suppression isn't new 15:32 Southern disenfranchisement did not exist in North Carolina State Constitution until 1877, on the heels of radical reconstruction 17:35 “In 2013, the NC legislature passed HB 589, also known as the “Monster” voter suppression law. HB 589 required voter identification but did not allow the forms of identification most frequently held by people of color… The “Monster” law also shortened the early voting period and eliminated same-day voter registration and youth pre-registration. … Also passed SB 325, a bill that would eliminate the most popular day for early voting: the final Saturday before the election… In 2016, 200,000 people voted on the final Saturday, a day used disproportionately by African-Americans.” 19:51 Daryl shares about the hypocrisy of our country to make it so hard to vote for people  20:41 Call 1-866-OURVOTE to report voting problems 21:26 Rob asks about the story of Forward Justice - how it came to be, the problems they are working to solve, and the name 21:53 Forward Justice is a law policy and strategy center, operating on three areas of change: social movements create change, some of our most potent social movements are rooted in the South, and these social movements need to be led by people most impacted 22:41 1/3 of electoral votes are in the South 25:25 How Forward Justice does their work: change law policy and practice, shift culture, narrative, and values to and how you communicate, and building people up 27:41 Jes asks Daryl about the biggest obstacle to justice in this issue 28: Daryl pushes back by stating that there is no one thing we can do to bring our country into equity because we are layered with white supremacy and voter suppression and racism 28:58 Voting is a right, not a privilege 30:40 Rob brings up the 400-year-old tree and the problem that comes with uprooting 31:55 Rob asks Daryl about his fuel and his why 32:05 Daryl talks about his faith, that he was prepared for such a time as this  to fight to get into the room 32:55 Daryl admits being built in a way that he wakes up, ready for a fight 33:32 Daryl shares about unnecessary incarceration happened to him so that is why he goes hard, mentioning that the importance of having affected people at the center  34:09 Jes asks Daryl what and how listeners can engage 34:23 Daryl shares about volunteer opportunities through Forward Justice, staying educated, and giving money to organizations doing the work 35:14http://www.forwardjustice.org (...

The country spends over 80 billion dollars a year on incarceration, so we need transformation, not reformation. On today's podcast we are ReImagining Our Criminal Justice System with special guest Brittany K Barnett! 0:00 Episode starts  0:44 Personal check-ins start 1:16 Rob talks about time with family and being outside more 2:13 Rob mentions the relevance of https://www.netflix.com/title/81254224 (The Social Dilemma) and the case for tribalism 5:01 Jes talks about fall and life and cooler weather 8:31 Brittany K Barnett signs onto the conversation 10:20 Jes introduces Brittany and the importance of her focus being reframing how we look at justice 11:43 Brittany takes some time for a personal check in 12:44 Jes asks Brittany to tell her story and how she got involved in the work she's doing  12:48 Brittany tells about growing up in a small town 13:12 Brittany brings up her mom's drug addiction and it eventually leading to prison 13:48 Brittany mentions from very early on learning about the brokenness of the system, recognizing that her mom needed treatment, not prison 16:05 Brittany shares that she always wanted to be a lawyer, but as she grew older, it felt more out of her reach 17:04 Brittany started school for accounting 17:46 Brittany mentions a critical race theory course that changed her life 19:48 Rob asks Brittany about Sharonda Jones' case, how it impacted her, and the importance of getting proximate 20:15 In 1986, the US Congress passed the Anti-Drug Abuse Act with a 100-to-1 weight ratio with cocaine 24:30 Brittany wrote to Sharonda about taking her case and how quickly they became like family 26:27 Brittany shares how Sharonda was released from prison by President Barack Obama after 16 years and 9 months 28:31 Jes asks Brittany what she could fix with a magic wand to be able to change 28:52 Brittany answers that she would change the retro-activity in the laws that are changing 29:40 Do we want a justice system? Do we want to pay to incarcerate people, like Sharonda Jones, for lifelong sentences? 29:52 The country spends over 80 billion dollars a year on incarceration, so we need transformation, not reformation 31:01 Rob asks Brittany about what gives her hope for what fuels her 31:16 Brittany gets hope from her clients and the https://www.buriedaliveproject.org/ (Buried Alive Project) 32:47 Brittany shares the importance of humanizing the data and how important it is for her work 33:44 https://www.brittanykbarnett.com/the-book (A Knock at Midnight) brings the story of incarceration and Sharonda Jones to light 34:54 Jes asks Brittany about how listeners can show up 35:09 Brittany encourages people to educate themselves about the issue and to reach out to local organizations doing the work and exercising the right to vote 37:49 Brittany shares more about how to get the book, available at https://www.amazon.com/Knock-Midnight-Story-Justice-Freedom/dp/198482578X/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1535DMGFLYRVR&dchild=1&keywords=a+knock+at+midnight&qid=1602779737&sprefix=a+knock+%2Caps%2C-1&sr=8-1 (Amazon), https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/a-knock-at-midnight-brittany-k-barnett/1133745149;jsessionid=8CB2CC22BADBCBC76A6AD4FC6AD66DF1.prodny_store02-atgap11?ean=9781984825780 (Barnes and Noble), and audio book 39:03 Brittany signs off conversation 39:40 We have to look past the numbers to the heartbeat 40:01 Rob shares that his takeaway is the importance of the humanity aspect 41:17 Jes shares that her takeaway was thinking about Brittany's comment of how much genius gets locked up beyond bars because of one mistake 41:49 Rob admits that the language we use to define someone behind bars does not give credit to genius 43:51 Sign-off 43:59 Outro Thank you to DJ Pdogg and Producer Lo Key for our awesome music throughout the show! Follow DJ Pdogg online: http://www.djpdogg.com/ (www.djpdogg.com) https://twitter.com/DJPdogg?s=20 (Twitter)...

Did you know that 50,000 children in the United States are expelled from preschool a year, and those are only for places that have to report (those dependent on government money). You won't believe the conversation we had with Kezia "Kate" Goodwin, Founder & Owner of Kate's Korner in Durham, NC. 0:00 Episode starts  0:44 Personal check-in 1:00 Jes talks about the seasons changing and her son and his friend moving in with her 2:59 Rob talks about his family loving the weather and being outside helping mental health 4:33 Jes introduces Kezie “Kate” Goodwin, Owner and Founder of https://www.kateskornerdurham.com/our-team (Kate's Korner) 6:20 Jes asks Kate about her story and how she got to the point of prioritizing education and equity 7:03 Kate says that her love of children started as the youngest of nine 8:43 Kate mentions the importance of seeing children as their individual selves, and giving them space to love and learn… authentic place for children to land 9:20 Kate tells a story about her own son Andrew's need for movement being misidentified as attention issues 12:29 Rob asks about Kate's Korner - how it came to be, what they do, and the problem they are working to solve 13:25 “Kate's Korner is a manifestation of doing what now I know has to be done in order for me to impact early childhood education” 14:09 Kate mentions utilizing as a platform to give educators the space to self-evaluate their own implicit bias, they would come to the table and serve any child 15:10 Kate explains how Kate's Korner is drop-in and pay as you go and the need for that service 15:24 Kate explains how Kate's Korner gives essential workers a place to bring their kids and teaching happens through project-based learning 17:02 Jes asks Kate about the one thing she wishes people would understand her work and the problem she is working to address 17:17 Kate shares a statistic that 50,000 children in the United States are expelled from preschool a year, and those are only for places that have to report (those dependent on government money) 18:20 Kate states the problem with expulsions existing because of implicit bias 21:09 Kate introduces explicit bias manifesting in chastising students and how that shapes during their early childhood experiences 23:29 Rob encourages white listeners to try to imagine stepping into a space where their child is being misinterpreted, but ratcheted up by a thousand 24:24 Jes asks Kate if she had a magic wand where childcare and education are exactly the way she wants, what it looks like and what is holding us back from being there 25:03 Kate dreams of a center with a community garden and kitchen 26:20 Kate dreams of a kindergarten-based curriculum with cultural competence of recognizing and celebrating difference 26:49 Kate dreams of seeing more black males in a space to be able to address that deficit  27:44 Kate mentions that the biggest barrier is choice 29:44 Rob asks Kate about her why and what gives her hope 29:52 Kate answers simply that what gives her hope is children and the need they have 31:02 Kate answers that the second thing that gives her hope is the parents and being able to speak into them  32:54 Kate talks about the last thing that gives her hope is the unequal opportunity for those who were not exposed to early education 34:27 Jes asks Kate for a takeaway for listeners 34:50 Kate answers by saying that the biggest help is to call and offer help 35:51 Kate talks about the importance of serving the whole child - providing physical space for learning and technology for remote learning, but also loving them where they are at 36:37 Kate encourages long term for people to get involved  37:46 Email Kate at to get involved 38:42 Kate signs off conversation 39:01 Rob asks Jes for her takeaway 39:10 Jes talks about being proud because of Kate's consistency over three decades to understand individual journeys of kids 42:46  Rob talks about his

We are talking about Race & the Nonprofit Leadership Gap with our very special guest and ReCity partner, Harvey Hinton of CAARE - The Healing Center in Durham. 0:00 Episode starts  0:44 Personal check-in 1:18 Jes talks about seasons changing and something new 2:59 Rob talks about change being the most productive right now 3:38 Rob addresses how important it is to acknowledge how we can only take on the weight of so many people's stories 5:02 Introduces the topic of discussion, race and the leadership gap 5:50 Rob introduces Dr. Harvey Hinton III of https://www.caare-inc.org/ (CAARE) 6:34 Rob introduces Dr. Hinton's bio for background 7:38 Rob asks about Harvey's story and what led him to serve in his current role at CAARE 7:58 Harvey talks about growing up in Durham and being taught by people from NCCU 8:11 Harvey brings up the theme of community being foundational 8:41 CAARE started by women who had hearts that wanted to make sure black people had access to healthcare 9:51 Harvey credits CAARE's success in using its location in Downtown Durham strategically as a sunshine ray of hope 11:01 CAARE showed people how to maneuver in the nonprofit space to find opportunities to support yourself 12:12 Racism is a public health issue 12:31 CAARE stands for community action, advocacy, restoration, and empowerment 12:54 The goal was not to discuss racism, the goal was being there as a black person to figure out how to make improvements 13:27 Jes mentions the Doc Rivers quote about desiring to just be a basketball coach 14:39 Jes brings up the article https://nonprofitquarterly.org/how-white-people-conquered-the-nonprofit-industry/ (How White People Conquered the Nonprofit Industry) 16:38 Jes asks Harvey about this white-dominated nonprofit industry and how he has encountered it 17:18 It's not based on meritocracy 18:12 If a white person would take true action, it would take career suicide 19:58 Rob brings up the importance of digging up the root causes 20:50 Are we going to prioritize true impact or are we going to prioritize self-preservation? What do we do when those two things do not go hand in hand? 22:04 In the context of philanthropy, we need to stop trusting white people to solve black people's problems 25:11 What does it mean historically for white men to want to preserve their own places 25:21 Have we learned to love our spaces in our boxes so much that we aren't willing to live uncomfortably? 26:01 America is denying its own reality of racism 27:41 Jes asks about what advice would you give somebody to someone who wants to get involved in the white-dominated nonprofit sector? 29:06 Link up with already existing organizations, don't try to start from scratch 30:07 We have to understand if we have a mission we believe in, we have to figure out how to capitalize on that 30:49 Rob asks Harvey about where is hope come froms 31:28 Harvey says that his hope comes from his two daughters and the idea that right now they don't have opportunities 34:17 Harvey recognizes that he isn't someone who is able to sit on the sideline because he wants to be fighting 35:43 What is the point of all of the effort 36:39 Jes asks about what listeners can take away and what they can do as a next step 46:51 Harvey encourages people to work where they are, starting with deep reflecting 37:07 “I can't wait to see white people work in white spaces” 39:05 Harvey signs off conversation 39:11 Jes shares her takeaways 40:30 Rob shares his takeaways 42:01 “A good white leader is a good white follower” 42:25 What does it look like to step down and step back to allow a leader of color to step in? 43:47 Sign-off 53:54 Outro 44:12 Preview of next show

We have not one, not two, but THREE incredible guests on today's brand new episode: Reynolds Chapman, Tammy Rodman, and Keith Daniel of DurhamCares. Tune in as we try to answer the questions "Who are my neighbors? And how do I love them?" 0:00 Episode Starts  0:44 Personal check-in 1:19 Rob talks about excitement of fall and change 3:28 Jes talks about doing 75Hard 5:53 Rob introduces the concept of neighbor and the questions “Who ismy neighbor? How do I love my neighbor?” 7: Rob welcomes https://durhamcares.org/ (DurhamCares) employees Reynolds Chapman, Tammy Rodman, and Keith Daniels, co-hosts of thehttps://linktr.ee/WhoismyneighborPodcast ( Who Is My Neighbor? Podcast) 8:14 Why this podcast and why now? 9:23 People are looking for ways to navigate & to elevate people's stories 10:00 Jes asks about a specific standout story 10:21 Tammy mentions https://open.spotify.com/episode/42TNsUg6APtwDFXuirBQJ2 (conversation) with Ivan Almonte and Miriam Valle about COVID and the Latina community 11:20 Tammy mentions https://open.spotify.com/episode/0JDwlCZHN2osTXW0vsz4ng (conversation) with Jovonia Lewis and the issues in Durham's public schools that have been revealed 13:45 Keith tells about 15-year-old family member who was shot in Durham 14:25 Theological ethical theory about walking alongside people even when you don't have the answers 14:58 Our neighbors are closer than we think 17:10 What is the answer to the question, “Who is my neighbor?” 17:22 Reynolds talks about the Good Samaritan 18:13 So many people who can teach us what it looks like to be a neighbor 18:57 Hearing stories helps you see into people's humanity 20:29 What is your hope for your podcast for your listeners? 20:37 Gaining hope and desire to get past biases 21:44 It doesn't matter that no one knows your story, it matters that someone wants to 23:52 Hearing someone's story requires you to get proximate 25:15 Proximity breeds empathy that turns into action 28:00 At the heart of what we want to do is compassion 28:13 Cross the street 29:33 Reynolds shares that other “samaritans” give him hope 30:24 Learning is growing 30:44 Subscribe to Who is My Neighbor podcast and listen to the stories 32:27 Tammy shares that all that she can offer is prayer 35:55 Words are what we have right now, so let's speak life 38:05 Rob mentions Pilgrimage of Pain and Hope 39:26 Video curriculum being created to take them through the city 40:25 Learn more about Pilgrimage of Pain and Hope https://durhamcares.org/pilgrimage/ (here) 41:51 Guests sign off conversation 42:05 Jes points that what stands out was that you can't isolate your own experience when engaging with other people in any way 44:14 Rob shares that he loves story-driven work DurhamCares do makes it very relational 45:37 Whoever you consider to be the last person to be your neighbor, has something to teach you 48:14 Sign off 48:16 Outro 48:39 Preview of next episode with Harvey Hinton Thank you to DJ Pdogg and Producer Lo Key for our awesome music throughout the show! Follow DJ Pdogg online: http://www.djpdogg.com/ (www.djpdogg.com) https://twitter.com/DJPdogg?s=20 (Twitter) https://www.instagram.com/djpdogg/ (Instagram) Follow Producer Lo Key https://www.instagram.com/producerlokey/ (Instagram) Our sponsors: https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (ReCity Network) https://www.coastal24.com/ (Coastal Credit Union) Our hosts: Jes Averhart, cofounder of https://bwshomecoming.com/ (Black Wallstreet Homecoming) Rob Shields, executive director of the https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (Recity Network.) Our Producer: Ben Azevedo, owner of https://www.bearcaveaudio.com/ (Bear Cave Audio)

David Spickard shares how being a just leader means creating an environment for people to thrive. 0:00 Episode starts 0:44 Personal check-in 1:26 Jes talks about feeling suffocated recently 2:37 Jes out of her funk by watching ultra marathoners 2:54 Rob starts personal check-in 3:30 Rob talks about intermittent fasting as a way of self-care 4:13 Discipline in fasting leading to healthy discipline in other ares 5:01 Establish theme of shaking up the routine 6:38 Introduce guest David Spickard 7:20 Introduce Just Leadership Project 8:09 Personal check-in with David 8:29 David learning about being healthy and finding pace and resting 9:32 Youngest daughter having college at home 10:23 David's kids having to learn resilience and patience 11:17 Jes introduces the concepts of gaps in leadership 11:35 What are the gaps you are identifying today in leadership? How did you come to those conclusions? 11:50 David talks about his role and Jobs for Life 12:54 Seeing how significant people are engaged in work affecting leadership 13:04 87% of employees are disengaged with work 13:42 70% of people who leave their jobs are because of their bosses 14:08 A lot of leaders are good at building business, but not their people 14:47 Being a just leader means creating an environment for people to thrive 16:13 How are you going about day-to-day practically building just leaders? 16:26 Coach CEOs and leadership teams how to build company culture and thinking about impact through the platforms in place 16:40 First way he coaches is through self-created Thrive Assessment 17:04 T - Trust - How much trust do you have in your people? How much trust do they have in you? 17:10 H - Health - Are you physically and emotionally healthy? Are your people physically and emotionally healthy? 17:16 R - Relationships - How well do you all relate to one another? How deeply do you feel connected to one another? 17:26 I - Impact - How much do you feel your work has a greater impact in the world? 17:31 V - Value - Do you feel valued? Do your people feel valued? 17:24 E - Engagement - How much do your people feel like they are using their gifts, talents, and abilities? Do they feel like they have an opportunity to grow and build a career at your place of business? 18:02 Assessment uncovers the unspoken culture in every place of business 18:39 Second way David coaches is through small group of CEOs and business leaders who meet in a cohort around just leadership 20:17 Encourages people like himself to get into justice and experience fullness 21:13 Acknowledges that people with power, wealth, and influence often aren't at the grassroots tables 23:04 If you were to archetype a world class leader, what are those qualities? 23:32 Ongoing process that is endless to become more just 24:02 David breaks down Proverbs about when the righteous, the city rejoices 25:52 Qualities of the righteous: they see the whole playing field in themselves, in others, and in their whole communities; they build cultural competency; they give power away; they take bold and corougeous action 27:55 We can talk about justice all we want, but if doesn't lead us to action that creates to change 29:06 Jes brings up charity versus justice 30:21 Sadaki? stewarding everything for peace and justice 30:57 Those who are in leadership and in power stewarding everything they have and the outcome is others being able to rejoice 31:26 David introduces the concept of “empty power” 32:40 Transformative relinquishing of power 33:30 Being a just leader should impact every area of life 34:54 The idea of being just may be in direct conflict with being profitable as a company 35:23 What does it mean to make a just decision? 37:28 Rob introduces the analogy of the rising tide lifts all boats 37:54 Rising tide only helpful if you have a boat 39:21 How do we break the cycle of history before us where people in power are looking out for the needs of their neighbor? 40:13...

Rob and Jes set the tone for season 2, one of active participation, reimagining the stories of the community, and redefining what justice means to each of them. 0:00 - Intro 0:43 - Episode begins 1:19 - Jes checks in with Rob 2:45 - Rob's kids started virtual school 4:38 - Setting the pace for the work 5:20 - Rob checks in with Jes 8:30 - Now is the time to take action 8:53 - Rob reflects on Season 1 9:27 - People form opinions about justice in silos 10:18 - We have to still fight to find common ground 10:34 - Who are the bridge builders? 11:01 - Rob asks Jes why this podcast is still important to her 11:59 - Jes talks about transformational leadership 13:24 - We're actively participating in what we espouse 14:13 - Rob and Jes are in the “re” business 14:37 - How does Rob reinvent himself? 15:09 - We need to reimagine the stories for our communities 15:22 - Not everyone has the same shot at thriving 16:00 - Jes level-sets the season 16:25 - People have different definitions of justice 17:45 - What are humans for? 18:28 - Rob is leaning in 20:00 - Jes sums up 20:42 - Jes has big goals 21:00 - There are still show up moments in quarantine 21:43 - This is a season of active participation 22:36 - Outro Thank you to DJ Pdogg and Producer Lo Key for our awesome music throughout the show! Follow DJ Pdogg online: http://www.djpdogg.com/ (www.djpdogg.com) https://twitter.com/DJPdogg?s=20 (Twitter) https://www.instagram.com/djpdogg/ (Instagram) Follow Producer Lo Key https://www.instagram.com/producerlokey/ (Instagram) Our sponsors: https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (ReCity Network) Our hosts: Jes Averhart, cofounder of https://bwshomecoming.com/ (Black Wallstreet Homecoming) Rob Shields, executive director of the https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (Recity Network.) Our Producer: Ben Azevedo, owner of https://www.bearcaveaudio.com/ (Bear Cave Audio)