Podcasts about Restorative justice

In this special roundtable episode of Restorative Works!, host Claire de Mezerville López brings together a powerful group of restorative justice practitioners, educators, and leaders to explore the creation and impact of the Restorative Rainbow Alliance's Facilitator Code of Conduct. Guests Ames Stenson and Rami El Gharib, co-founders of the Restorative Rainbow Alliance, join Lindsey Pointer and Kathleen McGoey, co-authors of The Little Book of Restorative Teaching Tools, to share the story behind this groundbreaking initiative. Together, they reflect on the urgent need for LGBTQ+ affirming practices within restorative justice, drawing from lived experiences, community dialogue, and the gaps that led to harm when identity and power were not fully considered in restorative conferences.   The conversation explores how the Alliance's Code of Conduct, now adopted as a foundational document in Colorado, offers both guidance and a call to reflection for practitioners seeking to move beyond cis-heteronormative frameworks and toward truly inclusive, equitable practice. The group also highlights a collaborative effort to bring the code to life through an engaging, experiential learning activity: Inclusive Facilitation: Increasing LGBTQ+ Awareness in Restorative Justice. Designed as a companion tool, this resource supports practitioners in navigating discomfort, building empathy, and applying inclusive principles to real-life scenarios through dialogue, play, and reflection. Throughout the episode, listeners are invited into a rich and honest conversation about harm, accountability, identity, and growth. The guests emphasize the importance of curiosity, compassion, and the willingness to sit with complexity as essential elements of restorative practices, especially when working toward belonging for LGBTQ+ communities. This episode offers both inspiration and practical pathways for anyone committed to deepening fostering spaces where all identities are affirmed and valued. Tune in to learn from these wonderful guests, and we invite you to explore the Restorative Teaching Tool activity for the Facilitator Code of Conduct here.

Keith Wattley, attorney, Obama Foundation Fellow, and Founder & Executive Director of UnCommon Law, joins RISE Urban Nation to discuss criminal justice reform, second chances, and the humanity of incarcerated people serving life sentences. With more than 25 years of experience advocating for people in prison and on parole, Keith shares how healing-centered and trauma-informed legal advocacy can create pathways for accountability, transformation, and safe reentry into society. This powerful conversation explores redemption, storytelling, parole reform, and why some of the people society finds hardest to defend are often those most in need of hope and healing. About Keith Wattley Keith Wattley is the Founder and Executive Director of UnCommon Law. He has spent more than two decades advocating for the rights of incarcerated people and those on parole. His work focuses on helping individuals demonstrate personal transformation and successfully navigate California's parole process. In addition to individual advocacy, Keith has trained hundreds of attorneys and law students and has led efforts to improve prison and parole conditions through impact litigation. Keith was selected as an inaugural Obama Foundation Fellow in 2018 and received the James Irvine Foundation Leadership Award in 2020. Resources & Mentions

Restorative Reform:An Inside Voices Conversation on Restorative Justice and Reform by WNHH Community Radio

Männergewalt wird oft als Problem „der anderen“ erzählt. Doch Natalia Widla und Miriam Suter zeigen: Dahinter steckt ein System aus Macht, Wegschauen und politischem Stillstand. Katrin spricht mit den beiden Journalistinnen über ihr Buch Niemals aus Liebe und darüber, warum Gewalt gegen Frauen in der Schweiz, in Deutschland und in Österreich viel zu oft zu kleinteilig, zu langsam und zu wenig konsequent bekämpft wird.Es geht um Föderalismus, fehlende Daten, die Istanbul-Konvention, Bedrohungsmanagement, elektronische Fußfesseln, Restorative Justice und die Frage, was Betroffene wirklich schützt. Eine Folge über patriarchale Strukturen, rechte Instrumentalisierung und die dringend nötige Frage: Was muss sich wirklich ändern?Danke an jede*n von Euch, der den Lila-Podcast bereits unterstützt und uns damit über Wasser hältSeit 2026 zahlen wir höhere Gehälter, um die Zeit und den Aufwand, den unsere Hosts in die Folgen investieren, auch gebührend bezahlt bekommen. Du findest das unterstützenswert? Dann freuen wir uns über deinen Support!Aktuelle Werbepartner und weitere Infos zum Podcast findet ihr hier.Links und HintergründeMiriam SuterIstanbul-KonventionZunahme Gewalt gegen Frauen in Deutschland und in der SchweizNatalia WidlaWikipedia: Frauenstimmrecht in der SchweizSpiegel: Merz würde beim Thema Vergewaltigung in der Ehe »heute anders abstimmen«T-online: In diesen Ländern lebt es sich weltweit am bestenOpferhilfe SchweizHilfetelefon in DeutschlandCorrectiv: Häusliche Gewalt – Durchs Raster gefallen?SRF: Im Studiogespräch Pia Allemann, Beratungsstelle für Frauen BifSeehaus e.V.DuxumentaleWeitere Lila Folgen zum ThemaWenn Zuhause nicht sicher ist – Was tun bei häuslicher Gewalt?Warum Männer Böses tunMerz‘ Stadtbild, Hebammen, Gewaltprävention, „Ja heißt ja“, anti-trans-Kampagnen und Alternativen zu Harry PotterGewalt und Morddrohungen trotz fünf Jahre Istanbul-Konvention? – mit Sonja HowardTranskriptWir freuen uns, euch ein Transkript zur Sendung zur Verfügung stellen zu können. Es wurde automatisch erstellt. Ihr findet es auf unserer Website. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

#235 - iChange Justice Podcast: Restorative Community Coalition Presents: Breaking Down the Breach of Trust1st of a 3 part Series on Restorative JusticeThe wait is over! We are officially launching an all-new monthly broadcast format!

Being locked up in prison is hard - but often the real test comes when you're released. In part 2 of this discussion, Tahlia Isaac takes Gary inside the raw reality of life in a women's maximum-security facility: 22-hour lockdowns, mothers crying for children they can't reach, Aboriginal matriarchs ripped from their communities, and women imprisoned for nothing more than driving without a licence. Then comes the moment when the doors swing open…to no money, support, or protection. Tahlia argues that the system doesn't need fixing, it needs to be completely torn down and rebuilt, which is exactly what she’s trying to do now through her charity Project:herSELF. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

We are joined by criminologist, researcher, and educator at the University of Belize, Dr. Aveka Mano, to hear about the impact of restorative practices on the lived realities behind complex issues like gang involvement, human trafficking, and youth reintegration, and its connection to higher education.   Dr. Mano challenges traditional approaches to justice by emphasizing long-term reintegration over short-term punishment. She highlights how stigma, lack of opportunity, and systemic gaps often push individuals back into cycles of harm, and how restorative practices can interrupt that pattern. She asks us to consider what it would be like if we prepared individuals leaving institutional systems with the same intentionality we bring to higher education.   Dr. Avekadavie Parasramsingh Mano is an assistant professor and distinguished researcher at the University of Belize within the Faculty of Management and Social Sciences. Trained at the University of the West Indies, she specializes in Criminology and Criminal Justice, with a focus on Belize's socio-legal landscape. Dr. Mano is widely recognized for her fieldwork on gang culture, human trafficking, and sex worker migration. Her scholarship engages with complex issues at the intersection of crime, human rights, and social inequality. Beyond academia, Dr. Mano collaborates with the Forensics Department, the Leadership Intervention Unit, and other organizations working with at-risk youth. Her work is grounded in a commitment to bridging theory and practice to advance sustainable approaches to crime prevention and community development in Belize.  Tune in to discover Dr. Mano's roadmap for sustainable crime prevention rooted in early intervention, community collaboration, and restorative practices. 

In this segment, we interview Assata Thomas: She is the Executive Director of Philadelphia's Division of Reentry and a nationally recognized voice in criminal justice reform. With more than 20 years of experience—and the lived experience of overcoming a felony conviction—she brings both expertise and authenticity to her work. She's led major transformation in Philadelphia's reentry system, expanding services, building a coalition of over 150 organizations, and opening the city's first community-based reentry center. A Rutgers graduate with a Master's in Restorative Justice and recent leadership training from Harvard Kennedy School, she's also an award-winning advocate, author of Forward Only: Speak Power, Live Change, and a proud member of Delta Sigma Theta Sorority, Incorporated.We Talk Weekly News is a news and culture radio show delivering powerful analysis, real conversations, and unfiltered commentary on the biggest stories shaping our world today. On WPPM 106.5 FM Philadelphia every Saturday at 8 p.m. to 10 p.m., hosted by celebrity stylist & radio personality Charles Gregory, journalist and media personality Lauren "Sizzle" Settles and health correspondent "Classy Lady" Sparkle Howell. We feature expert guests, political and public figures, celebrities, and community leaders combined with legal and law enforcement analysis and commentary.Since 2013, we've been up close and personal with public figures such as: Actress Entrepreneur Vivica A. Fox, Rapper Doug E. Fresh, Yandy Smith, Rapper Chubb Rock, Les Twins, Celebrity Boxing CEO Damon Feldman, Mayor Cherelle Parker, Chrisean Rock, Actor Darrin D. Henson, Basketball Wives Jackie Christie, Senator Vincent Hughes, Rapper Roxanne Shaunte, Republican Councilmember David Oh, Reality Stars/Entrepreneurs Angela Simmons, Jo Jo Simmons, and Vanessa Simmons; Actress/Comedian Torrei Hart, Rapper Charlie Baltimore, Actor Robert Ri'chard, Activist Tamika Mallory, District Attorney Larry Krasner and the list goes on!We Talk Weekly News takes you beyond the headlines with breaking news, political analysis, entertainment updates, and trending cultural conversations all through a sharp, informed, and unapologetically urban lens. From U.S. politics and policy to global events, celebrity headlines, music, and the viral moments everyone's talking about — this is where news meets culture and perspective meets truth.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/we-talk-weekly-news--2576999/support.Subscribe to We Talk Weekly News' YouTube channel for full podcast video show episodes:https://www.youtube.com/@WeTalkWeeklyTVFollow We Talk Weekly News across all social media platforms for exclusive content, breaking updates, and behind-the-scenes access:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/wetalkweeklyTwitter (X): https://twitter.com/WeTalkWeeklyFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/wetalkweekly

I have watched ridiculous ways of explaining why things are right and wrong to small kids --which indicates that most adults have no clue themselves. I've watch the "rational consequences" approach, giving kids long multiple-choice decisions while teasing out each's consequences --while kids stare blankly. I have watched the Golden Role approach -- really?  How about the new trend of Empathy and Restorative Justice? It sounds wonderful, except that it backfires: most kids aren't naturally empathetic, and restorative justice usually just revictimizes the victim. How about we go to the core meaning of "holy" in the Holiness Code of Leviticus: "That doesn't exist for your benefit." (That toy wasn't yours to consider playing with! That yard wasn't yours to go in! That turn wasn't yours to take! etc.)

In this conversation, restorative justice practitioner Dominic Barter reflects on more than three decades of work at the intersection of community, justice, and nonviolence. Beginning with his early experiences in Rio de Janeiro, he describes how communities already hold a “dialogical” capacity to respond to harm—one rooted in listening, relationship, and shared needs.From grassroots work in favelas to collaborations with courts, prisons, and governments, Barter traces how restorative justice has evolved across contexts while resisting reduction to a fixed method or technique. Instead, he emphasizes that this work must emerge from within each community's own culture and lived experience.At a time of deep polarization, the conversation explores how conflict itself can become a source of transformation rather than division. Barter invites us to move beyond retribution and toward rebuilding the relational foundations that make community—and a more humane vision of justice—possible.

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Conflict is natural, but can be painful, so on today show's show, BUZZ creator Michael Hemphill chats with Chelsea Cleary, program manager of The Bridge Institute, a nonprofit resource center that provides mediation and restorative justice for individuals, families, neighborhoods, and businesses in Roanoke Virginia. In increasingly unsettling times, The Bridge Institute helps people resolve conflict and create healing. Listen to Chelsea's  personal journey of family trauma, and her tips on how to bridge challenging relationships in a world that increasingly seeks to divide us.

This month on Laura Flanders and Friends, we're revisiting conversations around the earth, the natural world and climate justice in action. This week we head to Brittons Neck, South Carolina to explore the Booming Forest Industry in the South - Economic Gains vs. Community Costs. Make a tax deductible and become a member go to LauraFlanders.org/donate. This show is made possible by you!  Description: The forest industry in the American South is booming, but at what cost? According to some government leaders, logging is bringing big economic gains to rural America. But in places like the Carolinas, frontline communities – and especially the low-income people of color and Indigenous people who live in the midst of all this — are telling a different story, and have solutions. With Trump's increased tariffs on Canadian timber and wood products, deforestation is only going to speed up in America's “wood basket.” Two Carolina-based organizations are converting a 300-acre former South Carolina plantation into the South's first environmental justice training center: the Brittons Neck Community Forest. In this episode, Laura is joined by three guests spearheading the project. Lucia Ibarra and Danna Smith are from the Dogwood Alliance, an organization based in Asheville, North Carolina that mobilizes diverse voices to protect Southern forests and communities from destructive industrial logging. Reverend Leo Woodberry is a South Carolina-based faith leader & environmental activist. Together they're showing the true value of forests in the US South, and what it means to remain climate resilient in the face of heavy industry. Plus, a commentary from Laura on what trees can teach us about gender identity. “. . . We will start beginning to develop case studies and highlight it to policy makers . . . We are going to expand upon these other communities and create other pathways to justice in using this model. And this will help to build a foundation, to create equitable policy that elevates people, ecosystem, the value of them over the industries that are greenwashing . . . - Lucia Ibarra “. . . This project is something that we like to refer to as restorative justice. We know that people labored on this land in slavery without compensation, and so for them to have the land now and be able to use it for recreational activities, et cetera, can help them to create an engine of economic development . . . We see that as restorative justice . . .” - Reverend Leo Woodberry “. . . Too often there's this narrative about logging for economic development . . . We needed to show the alternative, and how you can keep forest standing in a community in a way that actually benefits the community. That it's good for climate, it's good for biodiversity, it's good for climate resiliency, and it's good for the local economy.” - Danna Smith Guests: • Lucia Ibarra: Director of Conservation, Dogwood Alliance • Danna Smith: Executive Director, Dogwood Alliance • Reverend Leo Woodberry: Pastor, Kingdom Living Temple & Executive Director, New Alpha Community Development Corporation Watch the episode released on YouTube; PBS World Channel Sundays 11:30am ET and on over 300 public stations across the country (check your listings, or search here via zipcode). Listen: Episode airing on community radio (check here to see if your station airs the show) & available as a podcast.. 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Can you imagine the kind of healing and reconciliation that could be possible in society if Restorative Justice were used as an alternative to traditional criminal justice? Gerald Partridge joins us today to explore the power and value of Restorative Justice in building a civilized society. Gerald is a retired career prosecutor who has used Restorative Justice throughout his career to solve sensitive and complex criminal cases. Justice has always been important to Gerald, and when he discovered Restorative Justice, he knew it was the best way forward for society. For full show notes, visit: https://www.lifteconomy.com/blog/gerald-partridge/Interested in creating a world that works for the benefit of all life? Join a network of 800+ alumni transforming communities and enterprises from a regenerative and just lens. The Next Economy MBA begins September 22nd — join us for a free intro session and save 20% when you register before August 3rd.Learn more ➡️ lifteconomy.com/mba The LIFT Economy team is passionate about creating learning communities where we can put the skills and values we discuss on Next Economy Now  into practice. Learn more ➡️ https://www.lifteconomy.com/nextsteps

This month on Laura Flanders and Friends, we're revisiting conversations around the earth, the natural world and climate justice in action. This week we head to Brittons Neck, South Carolina to explore the Booming Forest Industry in the South - Economic Gains vs. Community Costs. Make a tax deductible and become a member go to LauraFlanders.org/donate. This show is made possible by you!  Description: The forest industry in the American South is booming, but at what cost? According to some government leaders, logging is bringing big economic gains to rural America. But in places like the Carolinas, frontline communities – and especially the low-income people of color and Indigenous people who live in the midst of all this — are telling a different story, and have solutions. With Trump's increased tariffs on Canadian timber and wood products, deforestation is only going to speed up in America's “wood basket.” Two Carolina-based organizations are converting a 300-acre former South Carolina plantation into the South's first environmental justice training center: the Brittons Neck Community Forest. In this episode, Laura is joined by three guests spearheading the project. Lucia Ibarra and Danna Smith are from the Dogwood Alliance, an organization based in Asheville, North Carolina that mobilizes diverse voices to protect Southern forests and communities from destructive industrial logging. Reverend Leo Woodberry is a South Carolina-based faith leader & environmental activist. Together they're showing the true value of forests in the US South, and what it means to remain climate resilient in the face of heavy industry. Plus, a commentary from Laura on what trees can teach us about gender identity. “. . . We will start beginning to develop case studies and highlight it to policy makers . . . We are going to expand upon these other communities and create other pathways to justice in using this model. And this will help to build a foundation, to create equitable policy that elevates people, ecosystem, the value of them over the industries that are greenwashing . . . - Lucia Ibarra “. . . This project is something that we like to refer to as restorative justice. We know that people labored on this land in slavery without compensation, and so for them to have the land now and be able to use it for recreational activities, et cetera, can help them to create an engine of economic development . . . We see that as restorative justice . . .” - Reverend Leo Woodberry “. . . Too often there's this narrative about logging for economic development . . . We needed to show the alternative, and how you can keep forest standing in a community in a way that actually benefits the community. That it's good for climate, it's good for biodiversity, it's good for climate resiliency, and it's good for the local economy.” - Danna Smith Guests: • Lucia Ibarra: Director of Conservation, Dogwood Alliance • Danna Smith: Executive Director, Dogwood Alliance • Reverend Leo Woodberry: Pastor, Kingdom Living Temple & Executive Director, New Alpha Community Development Corporation   Watch the episode released on YouTube; PBS World Channel Sundays 11:30am ET and on over 300 public stations across the country (check your listings, or search here via zipcode). Listen: Episode airing on community radio (check here to see if your station airs the show) & available as a podcast.. Full Episode Notes are located HERE. Full Conversation Release: While our weekly shows are edited to time for broadcast on Public TV and community radio, we offer to our members and podcast subscribers the full uncut conversation.  Music Credit: 'Thrum of Soil' by Bluedot Sessions, 'Steppin' by Podington Bear, and original sound design by Jeannie Hopper Support Laura Flanders and Friends by becoming a member at https://www.patreon.com/c/lauraflandersandfriends   RESOURCES- Related Laura Flanders Show Episodes: • Jubilee Justice Regenerative Farming: Tackling Racism with Rice: Watch / Podcast:  Episode & Related Commentary by Laura • Colette Pichon Battle on Climate Justice Reparations: Watch / Podcasts: Episode & Full Conversation • Climate Change Journalism: Moving Frontline Communities from the Sideline to the Center: Watch / Podcast: Episode Related Articles and Resources: •  Duties on Canadian lumber have helped U.S. production grow while B.C. towns suffer.  Now, Trump's tariffs loom, by Andrew Kurjata, November 7, 2024, CBC News • Deforestation in the US South Is Four Times Greater Than Logging in South American Rainforests, by Danna Smith & Leo Woodberry, Truth Out • Impacts of Wood Pellets in the US, by Dogwood Alliance •  Logging is destroying southern forests - and dividing US environmentalists, by Christopher Ketcham, June 29, 2022, Grist   Laura Flanders and Friends Crew: Laura Flanders-Executive Producer, Writer; Sabrina Artel-Supervising Producer; Jeremiah Cothren-Senior Producer; Veronica Delgado-Video Editor, Janet Hernandez-Communications Director; Jeannie Hopper-Audio Director, Podcast & Radio Producer, Audio Editor, Sound Design, Narrator; Sarah Miller-Development Director, Nat Needham-Editor, Graphic Design emeritus; David Neuman-Senior Video Editor, and Rory O'Conner-Senior Consulting Producer. 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Wrongful Convictions, Survivor Shaming and Moving from Retribution to HealingDiscussion with Jennifer Thompson, founder of Healing Justice, on the profound trauma caused by wrongful convictions and the transformative potential of restorative justice. We discuss systemic failures in the criminal justice system—including structural racism and sexism—that deny victims, survivors and defendants, and their families, justice. We discuss Jennifer's personal journey to becoming a restorative justice practitioner and criminal justice reform advocate. We discuss wrongful convictions, best practices for collection of eyewitness identification and the need for corroborative evidence. We also discuss victim blaming and the secondary trauma caused to sexual assault survivors by the criminal justice system. Finally, we discuss the need for circles and creating space to sit with uncomfortable narratives and listen to each other, prioritizing empathy and belonging, to rebuild our national community.For More Info: https://thegravity.fm/#/episode/70

Boston University Professor James W. McCarty, Ph.D., joins us to explore how restorative justice and conflict transformation can reshape the way communities engage in disagreement, repair harm, and build collective power.  Dr. McCarthy invites listeners to rethink one of society's most misunderstood realities: conflict. Rather than treating conflict as something to avoid, he reframes it as a powerful opportunity for growth, learning, and social change. From personal relationships to large-scale movements, conflict is the friction necessary to experience new futures. He discusses the critical role of community in navigating conflict. Whether within social movements, faith communities, or grassroots organizing efforts, strong relationships provide the foundation for constructive dialogue and collective accountability. Practices such as peacemaking circles and storytelling help communities surface difficult truths while strengthening the relational bonds that make change possible.  A clinical assistant professor and director of the Religion and Conflict Transformation Program at Boston University's School of Theology, Dr. McCarthy also serves as a faculty affiliate with the Institute on Culture, Religion, and World Affairs at the Pardee School of Global Studies. He is the author of multiple peer-reviewed journal articles and the editor of two books, the most recent of which is The Business of Incarceration: Theological and Ethical Reflections on the Prison-Industrial Complex (Cascade) published in 2025.  Tune in to discover valuable insights into how dignifying relationships and courageous conversations can transform conflict into an invitation for growth. 

You sat in the circle.You heard the apology.And you knew… nothing actually changed.Restorative justice can work in schools- the research supports that.But the versions most campuses are implementing...Are something else entirely.Research describes restorative practices as structured, resourced, and time-intensive.What most schools are doing is faster, lighter, and handed off.That's how school counselors end up in the middle of things:Facilitating conversations that aren't meant to be rushedTrying to facilitate a process you were never really trained to leadKnowing the outcome doesn't match what the promises of true restoration, but not having the language to explain why.In this episode, we take a hard look at what restorative justice actually requires... and how to know if your campus is falling short.Because this isn't just about whether you believe in restorative practices.It's about whether what's happening on your campus even matches what the research is measuring-And what that means for the role you're being asked to play.Referred to in this episode:Ep. 191, "Your Campus Runs on a Pyramid of Lies"********Join our new Skool for School Counselors community ********Want support with real-world strategies that actually work on your campus? We're doing that every day in the School for School Counselors Mastermind. Come join us! ********All names, stories, and case studies in this episode are fictionalized composites drawn from real-world circumstances. Any resemblance to actual students, families, or school personnel is coincidental. Details have been altered to protect privacy.********Ready to spend a few days this summer with me, geeking out over school counseling and preparing for your best year ever? Grab your ticket here before this limited-seat event sells out! Ready to spend a few days this summer with me, geeking out over school counseling and preparing for your best year ever? Grab your ticket here before this limited-seat event sells out!******** This work is part of the School for School Counselors body of work developed by Steph Johnson, LPC, CSC, which centers role authority over role drift, consultative practice over fix-it culture, adult-designed systems and environments as primary drivers of student behavior, clinical judgment over compliance, and school counselor identity as leadership within complex systems.

Today, Hunter was joined by Amanda Carrasco a restorative justice advocate and author of Becoming the Brave One. Throughout her life, Amanda has dealt with tremendous trauma from surviving multiple sexual assaults and the murder of her close family friends. Despite those experiences, Amanda is a champion for different approaches to the criminal legal system in the form of restorative justice practices.     Guest: Amanda Carrasco, Author and Advocate for Restorative Justice Practices   Resources: Find Amanda's work and Book Here https://amandacarrasco.com/   Contact Hunter Parnell:                                 Publicdefenseless@gmail.com  Instagram @PublicDefenselessPodcast Twitter                                                                 @PDefenselessPod www.publicdefenseless.com  Subscribe to the Patreon www.patreon.com/PublicDefenselessPodcast  Donate on PayPal https://www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=5KW7WMJWEXTAJ Donate on Stripe https://donate.stripe.com/7sI01tb2v3dwaM8cMN Trying to find a specific part of an episode? Use this link to search transcripts of every episode of the show! https://app.reduct.video/o/eca54fbf9f/p/d543070e6a/share/c34e85194394723d4131/home **** ALL OPINONS SHARED BY HOST HUNTER PARNELL DO NOT REFLECT THE THOUGHTS OR OPINIONS OF THE AURORA MUNICIPAL PUBLIC DEFENDER****

On the latest Whisper in the Wings from Stage Whisper, we welcomed on the writer/performer James Scruggs, collaborator/performer Thomas Giovanni, and the director Annalisa Dias, to talk about their new show Off the Record: Acts of Restorative Justice. This was such a powerful, timely, and important piece of theatre to learn all about and hear these brilliant artists speak to. So make sure that you hit play and get your tickets today!Off the Record: Acts of Restorative JusticeApril 5th-19th@ HERE Arts CenterTickets and more information are available at here.org And be sure to follow our guests to stay up to date on all their upcoming projects and productions: theendofamericatg.com jamesscruggs.com here.org

In this episode, Jen and Ashley talk about what it means to be a trauma-informed leader and how Ashley is developing a book and programme to inspire leaders to approach their work from heart lead, trauma-informed approach. Ashley Scotland is an Award Winning CEO & Founder, Thriving Survivors | Board Member, The Robertson Trust | Advocate for Restorative Justice, Survivor Empowerment and Lived Experience Leadership.She is a passionate social entrepreneur and visionary leader dedicated to transforming the lives of trauma survivors through innovative, trauma-informed services. As the Founder and CEO of Thriving Survivors, I've led the development of Scotland's first restorative justice service for survivors of sexual harm, securing major funding and shaping national policy through initiatives like the Survivors Voices consultation.With over a decade of experience in the third sector, she brings strategic foresight, ethical governance, and a commitment to equity, diversity, and inclusion. She serves on several influential boards, including:* The Kintail Trust (Corporate Trustee)* The Robertson Trust* Cross Party Group for Adult SurvivorsHer work has been featured in national and international publications, and she's a strong advocate for lived experience leadership and the integration of AI to drive sustainable social impact.Connect with Ashely on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashleyscotland/Connect with Jen: Access me FREE Lymphatic Drainage Routine here https://iamjenwilson.thrivecart.com/lymph/Access my FREE Posture for Health mini workshop here https://iamjenwilson.thrivecart.com/posture-for-health/Get my book 9 Rules to Sort Your Shit here - https://amzn.to/4eYtVnqRebel and Divine Anarchist hoodies and t-shirts here https://iamjenwilson-2.teemill.com/collection/new/Gut Friendly, Easy Recipe book here https://amzn.to/4gJsGICFor all information on working with me:www.iamjenwilson.comFollow my social channelsSubscribe to my YouTube Channel https://www.youtube.com/iamjenwilsonLike my Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/IamJenWilsonFollow me on Instagram https://instagram.com/iam.jenwilson

In today's episode, we hear from Rhiannon about restorative justice, therapeutic horticulture, and how their intersection can present alternatives to the carceral justice system for young adults. Rhiannon shares about the experience of working in a gardening program at the juvenile justice complex in Northeast Portland and how this experience profoundly changed Rhiannon's life. Tune in to hear more about how gardening can cultivate belonging, community, and confidence for young people, as well as how this research might lead to long-term policy changes in the future. Reed community members can read Rhiannon's thesis, "Planting the Seeds of Belonging: Restorative Justice and Therapeutic Horticulture with Justice-Involved Youths," online in the Electronic Thesis Archive: https://rdc.reed.edu/i/fef74232-cf77-4903-9ae0-d9aa96c4fc9b Explore more interviews with Reed College alumni on our website: reed.edu/burnyourdraft

Is THE COUNT OF MONTE CRISTO a story of revenge or justice? Is Edmond Dantes's revenge on his enemies justified? What makes this revenge story bittersweet?In episode 87, The Boston Sisters ask these questions about a new adaptation of Alexandre Dumas's classic epic, THE COUNT OF MONTE CRISTO in a conversation with Norman Allen, senior minister of the First Parish of Portland, ME and an award-winning playwright who's no stranger to adapting the literary works of authors like Alexandre Dumas ("The three Musketeers") for the stage.The new 8-part miniseries adaptation of THE COUNT OF MONTE CRISTO premiers on PBS MASTERPIECE in March 2026 and features Sam Claflin (Daisy Jones and the Six) as Edmond Dantès, a nineteen-year-old sailor who, when falsely accused of treason, is imprisoned without trial in a grim island fortress off Marseille, France. After many years of captivity, Dantes finally escapes and discovers treasure, making him one of the richest men in the world. Under the identity of the Count of Monte Cristo, he plans to take revenge on those who wrongly accused U.S. !SPOILER ALERT! this podcast contains spoilers for anyone who hasn't read or watched any adaptation of Alexandre Dumas's THE COUNT OF MONTE CRISTO.TIMESTAMPSIntroduction to THE COUNT OF MONTE CRISTO (0:03)Norman Allen's Background and Theatre Adaptations (6:25)Revenge vs. Justice in THE COUNT OF MONTE CRISTO (12:12)The Role of Institutions and Historical Context (18:43)Forgiveness and Restorative Justice (25:31)Edmond Dantes' Character and Choices (31:16)Adapting Literary Works for the Stage (37:45)Theater and Religion: A Playwright-Minister Perspective (44:00)Potential Adaptations and Final Thoughts (50:29)SUBSCRIBE to HISTORICAL DRAMA WITH THE BOSTON SISTERS® on your favorite podcast platformENJOY past podcasts and bonus episodesSIGN UP for our mailing listSUPPORT this podcast  SHOP THE PODCAST on our affiliate bookstoreBuy us a Coffee! You can support by buying a coffee ☕ here — buymeacoffee.com/historicaldramasistersThank you for listening!

In this conversation, Roman Haferd , Executive Director of Restorative Arlington, discusses the transformative power of restorative justice, its applications beyond criminal justice, and Arlington's innovative efforts to integrate this approach into community and legal systems.

A weekly magazine-style radio show featuring the voices and stories of Asians and Pacific Islanders from all corners of our community. The show is produced by a collective of media makers, deejays, and activists. Tonight on APEX Express Host Miko Lee speaks with Restorative Justice Educator and Author Tatiana Chaterji about her work on the power of tenderness. Tune in!   Tatiana Chaterji's website Show Transcript [00:00:00] Opening Music: Apex Express Asian Pacific expression. Community and cultural coverage, music and calendar, new visions and voices, coming to you with an Asian Pacific Islander point of view. It's time to get on board the Apex Express.   [00:00:44] Miko Lee: Good evening. I'm your host Miko Lee, and tonight we are speaking with Tatiana Chaterji about Restorative Justice. Restorative justice is a movement and a set of practices that stands as an alternative to our current punitive justice system. It focuses on people and repairing harm by engaging all the impacted folks working together to repair that harm. RJ is built off of ancient indigenous practices from cultures around the globe, including Native American, African, first Nation, Canadian, and many others. So join us with Tatiana Chaterji.    [00:01:23] Tati, who are your people and what legacy do you carry with you?    [00:01:28] Tatiana Chaterji: Thank you for the question, Miko. The first thing that comes to mind, my people are the people we're, we're, we're coming up on the cusp of a possible teacher strike, and I'm thinking about workers and the labor, movement and comrades in my life from doing, work as a classified school worker for about a decade.   [00:01:49] Then my people are also from my homelands. The two that I feel very close to me are in Finland, from my mom's side, and then in Bengal, both India, west Bengal, and Bangladesh. And my people are also those who are facing facing the worst moments of their life, either from causing harm or experiencing harm as a survivor of violence.   [00:02:11] I think about this a lot and I think about also the smaller conflicts and tensions and issues that bubble up all the time. So my people are those that are not afraid to make it better, you know, to make it right. And I carry, oh gosh, what legacy do I. I wanna say first kind of the legacy of the Oakland RJ movement that really nurtured me and the youth that I've encountered in schools and in detention on the streets in the community. [00:02:41] Youth who are young adults and becoming bigger, older adults and, and, and also elders. To me. So sort of that's whose legacy I carry in shaping the. Society that we all deserve.    [00:02:55] Miko Lee: Thank you for answering with such a rich, well thought out response that's very expansive and worldly. I appreciate that. Can you share what brought you to this work personally?   [00:03:07] Tatiana Chaterji: Sure. As a young activist involved in Insight Women of Color against Violence and aware of the work of Critical Resistance, and I had a pretty clear politics of abolition, but I didn't. Really think that it impacted me as personally as it did when I was in my early twenties and I suffered a brain injury from a vehicular assault, a hit and run that may have been gang affiliated or, a case of mistaken identity. My recovery is, is, is complicated. My journey through various kinds of disabilities has shaped me. But I think the way that I was treated by the police and by the justice quote unquote justice system, which I now call the criminal legal system, it because there was no justice.   [00:03:52] I sort of don't believe that justice is served in the ways that survivors need. yeah, I really, I got very close to the heart of what an RJ process can do and what RJ really is. I got introduced to Sonya Shah and the work of Suha bga and I was able to do a surrogate victim offender dialogue and then later to facilitate these processes where people are kind of meeting at the, at the hardest point of their lives and connecting across immense suffering and layers of systemic and interpersonal internalized oppression.   [00:04:26] Just so much stuff and what happens when you can cross over into a shared humanity and recognition. It's just, it's just so profound and and from that space of healing and, and, and compassion, I've been able to think about. Other ways that RJ can look and have sort of been an advan, what is it evangelical for it?   [00:04:51] You know, I think that because we don't see these options, I, I, because I knew people, I was able to connect in this way and I would just shout out David uim, who's the one who told me that even if I didn't know the person who harmed me, that this was possible. People so often give up, they're just like, well, I have to feel this way.   [00:05:10] I have to just deal with it. Swallow the injustice and the lack of recognition. Just sort of keep going. Grit your teeth. I think we don't have enough knowledge of what's possible and so we harden ourselves My name is Tatiana Chaterji. I'll be reading my flash essay split. Before I didn't know what a traumatic brain injury was. My tongue had not curled the letters TBI together shaping the sound of nightmare. I had not heard the clipping of staples from a scalp fused after it was split to release pressure.   [00:05:46] They said, removing the right cranial bone flap, not conceived of the skull as giving pressure, a living organism of its own, a piece of its stored in a freezer for months after being removed in the dead of night. Attempted murder, vehicular assault under a blanket of fog. This city, these hidden stars.   [00:06:07] Never concerned myself with science or medicine or the mechanics of survival, the filaments of me unbreaking encased as they were in a thick clay from where I stood young and forceful, standing or walking or sitting, because I wanted to willful, bold, joy, stubborn, had not needed to wait for the all clear discharge orders that released me to a world of indifference.   [00:06:33] Before I didn't know life without its sense. Its tastes that the olfactory nerve stretches behind the eyes, vulnerable to bruising or severing from an impact to the head that you won't know until you know an extended game of dice that ultimately rolled no permanent damage. You will smell again, but with loss.   [00:06:52] Unfamiliar associating Jasmine for coffee, revulsion to orange comfort and cinnamon. Before I had not been the target of any physical or lasting harm. Had not thought that victim or survivor would ever describe me. Had not organized a vigil for rape survivors as I did while unconscious dreaming, waking up to pelvic bruises, believing I was one of them.   [00:07:19] The brain injury bisected my life until I realized it was one in a string of paper cuts that stop hurting eventually, that there will be other moments that change me, that there are many ways to slice a life when I pull her to my chest. A sticky, slimy worm, six pounds, four ounces, eyes closed, mulling to find her place on my chest for the first time.   [00:07:44] My chin against the wet mess of hair. When he carries me over the threshold into our suite at the Wise Owl Hotel in South Colta, garlands of sweet Jasmine adorn my hair and my henna painted arms drip with gold. When the drama therapist asks the group to simulate the attack rushing towards me so I can do what I wished I had done, run away.   [00:08:11] It returns my power and I own what's mine Fingertips. Throbbing with the life they can grasp. Sirens through the dark machines. Beeping into a week of unconsciousness, awakening to wonder and madness. One toe at suicide's brink, recovering in this outpatient patient treatment program for depression and anxiety.   [00:08:31] All of it here. The breath and meat and sky. When I walked through the gates of San Quentin State Prison for the first time, shuttering at the cold, heavy clank permanence at my back. The man in front of me breathes nervously in his starched blue uniform, gently meeting my eyes to say, I've never met a real victim before.   [00:08:53] Thank you for coming. He is, of course, a crime victim, but also an offender, and there isn't room to be both in this place. I am here for the penultimate session of Victim Offender Education and Dialogue where the men have met for over a year now, each week to learn empathy and build rigorous self-reflection muscles to take accountability.   [00:09:18] They are ready to present their crime impact statements and to listen to a panel of survivors. None of us directly harmed or were harmed by each other. We are all surrogates. This then is the greatest innocence, the widest Gulf I've crossed before, sitting with men who have killed, who have touched this threshold, this fever wound of life and God and pain.   [00:09:44] My eyes were full of dew. I was blind to the logics of violence, the way the toxins seep under and you merge with its poison that you become dehumanized. Brutal. A mentality of war. The hurt echoing at a different pitch. Copper pebbles in an empty cave. Before I sat alone in confusion, untangling the threads of my trauma with what I knew from a peaceful life of privilege.   [00:10:12] In that first circle at San Quentin and every subsequent circle, I uncloak this ache, hear from men who explain the numbness, danger in every corner under the shadow of each day. I let them hold my story, share its load. Listen to theirs, my witness body lifting off bits of the weight they carry. I welcome insights previously unimaginable.   [00:10:39] Receive apologies I didn't know I needed. It's as if the lights switch on all at once, a brightness. The dialogue melts the isolation of my suffering. Its icy blanket of shame, allowing me to see what had been there all along, not monster. A human did this to me, broken alone, and suddenly I have permission to heal for 10 days.   [00:11:07] Baby birds remain in the nest. Their mother has built. I spent 10 days in a coma from within the protective circle. My family had drawn around me for the entirety of my two plus decades on earth. Infant wind, bone creature before flight 24 years collapsed to 10 days in the coma nest so I could bear free the weight of the universe.   [00:11:33] Soaring my mind at ease. A fresh page appears the dotted line of life's flashpoints waiting to blink on forward cuts and selves.   [00:11:46] Miko Lee: I just finished your new book. Wow.    [00:11:48] Tatiana Chaterji: Oh you did?   [00:11:48] Miko Lee: Yes I did.    [00:11:49] Tatiana Chaterji: Yay!   [00:11:50] Miko Lee: Yes I did. Everyday Restorative justice, moving from crisis Response to positive school culture. Big title, weighty title. It's so much, it's so rich, it's so beautiful. It has so many different elements for, um, for a classroom teacher, an educator, a community organizer. And it has not just like lesson plans, but amazing quotes and rubrics.   [00:12:15] Even rubrics. 'cause you could tell your classroom teacher with real experiences, which is like the land I live in. Stories and Spanish translations. So tell us how this amazing book, what, I mean you've been doing this work for years, but what inspired you to collect this into book form?    [00:12:33] Tatiana Chaterji: Oh, thank you Miko for reading it. That is the biggest gift ever. I want to shout out Heather Manchester Anita Vva and Evelyn Aquino. They wrote a book a few years ago on inter international Intergenerational Restorative Justice and really youth and adult partnership. And in that book, they featured the work that I had been doing at Fremont here in East Oakland.   [00:12:57] And I think that was the first time when I was like, wait, maybe we are really doing something special that deserves to be in a book. You know, like, what is this secret sauce? Or what is the, what is the combination? Things that we're doing that's really working that we want to share out with the world.   [00:13:14] And and so, yeah, so fast forward a little bit of time. There's, I, I've actually now left the district. I've had more time to reflect on what that time was and what it was we were doing. And I had this invitation with Teachers College Press to, uh, to put it forth and really make it legible for classroom teachers who might not have always felt like they were invited into this work for a variety of reasons.   [00:13:41] Miko Lee: Well, one, I think that's fascinating that it took somebody else writing about your work for you to say, Ooh, look at this. I think that's fascinating. Uh, more to that later, but I'm wondering I think many classroom teachers already do this whole, oh, let's come up with our rules for the classroom. It's like respect.   [00:13:58] I mean, it's a lot of the principles around restorative justice, but actually implementing a whole system feels. Overwhelming or like you were just saying, they don't have access to it, so how does this book give them access?    [00:14:14] Tatiana Chaterji: Uh, well, and I, I wanna clarify from the top that I'm actually, I am, I have served in the role of a classroom teacher, but that's not my training or background. And that I've, I've actually seen this schism or this kind of divisiveness between people who are in youth organizing, where I've, that's my background. Youth organ organizing, youth leadership development, sort of student and youth services. Vis-a-vis classroom educators. And I was straddling both of these roles as a classified employee doing restorative justice alongside case managers, the school security officers who are now called culture keepers in Oakland Unified, and and administrators as well.   [00:14:56] And I was partnering with teachers to figure out classroom systems. I ended up co-teaching and then solo teaching a class within the Mandela academy for Law and Public Service. That continued until when that school, when that mini school closed down. But I learned so much from classroom teachers. The educators that I was working with are amazing and they are the original. RJ people, I would say, but they, they are not positioned that way and they aren't often recognized or given the time and space to do circle and to do that culture building in their classrooms because they have any number of deliverables and test you know, requirements that they are responsible for.   [00:15:37] And so what I really saw was a kind of a sidelining of their work into the teaching and then the culture work happening in other pockets and primarily held by people who are not in front of the kids day after day dealing with. Management and communication and all the things that happen when you're bell to bell responsible for so many different combinations of kids and communicating with their parents and making sure everything gets synced up. So I think I really wanted to honor their labor and and open the door. And, and, and I'm sure others have done it as well, but I just felt it wasn't open enough. It wasn't a, a sort of a strong enough like, here, you already do this. Why? What if you could take it a step further or here are some things that are legible for the systems and the, the tasks that you are responsible for, that you have to be responsible for. Let me create it in your, in your language. And really with great humility from my own position is, has not having the same training.    [00:16:41] Miko Lee: Thank you for pointing that out. And those titles of, you know, the classroom educator, the community organizers, the youth development person, people often like separate them, but really it's about the creating the best culture for the students is what we're talking about.   [00:16:56] Tatiana Chaterji: Yeah. We should be on the same page.    [00:16:58] Miko Lee: Yeah.    [00:16:58] Tatiana Chaterji: And I think very often we are pit against each other and there's sort of, you know, being in this violent, extractive society that that's sort of what happens. But it shouldn't happen, in fact. Right. And we should be more hand in hand working together when there's been this smooth handoff between different roles on a campus. That's when it's just the best. And I want to, I hope to see that more.    [00:17:19] Miko Lee: Yeah. Can you talk a little bit about the story behind the, forward to the book? You write in a dedication to a young woman, and can you share a little bit about that story?    [00:17:30] Tatiana Chaterji: Oh gosh. Shamara Young her memory lives within me and with so many people in the Fremont community in Oakland. She was a student leader who was in the very first iteration of this RJ class, this restorative justice class that I taught for ninth graders, which really is the inspiration for this book. And she was killed shortly after we had just come back from distance learning from the pandemic, and it really shocked our, our entire community, an incident of road rage, and just the excess of the excess availability of weapons, you know, and, and firearms.   [00:18:07] So just wanted to honor her legacy, honor honor other students and young people who've been stolen from us, from violence here at home, and also in any number of imperial projects that, that. US government is responsible for just really seeing the interconnection between people's struggle and the loss of life is tragic all the time. And the loss of a student is a particular pain that I just, I wanted to name because it is, it is so tender and other educators, youth organizers, parents, people who've known young ones to, to die in that way. It's just something, a wound that stays and definitely motivates me to, to do this work.   [00:18:49] My name is Tatiana Chaterji. I'll be reading my Vielle, a poem called Losing Shamara. When he tells me she's gone, the air leaves my lungs losing shamara. The adults are loud in their grief. Students' eyes down to forget their own stolen ones. Circles the forced ceremony of blood on false tongues, homage to her memory, her story without relief.   [00:19:15] When he tells me she's gone, the air leaves my lungs. There's enough rage in the streets, enough guns, too many per person drowning dreams. All the beef students' eyes down to forget their own stolen ones. We fend for ourselves, feeding off crumbs, unmet needs of volcano. The lava, a sharp reef. When he tells me she's gone, the air leaves my lungs. [00:19:41] Healing hearts. Now the school spins as she hums her voice and my mind a faint shaking leaf when he tells me she's gone, the air leaves my lungs losing shamara. The adults are loud in their grief.   [00:19:57] Miko Lee: Well, thank you so much for grounding the book in that story, because I think there's something about talking about doing that work, but keeping in mind a real person and the impacts of our violent society and what's going on, but also how we keep moving on. So I, and    [00:20:13] Tatiana Chaterji: to say that, you know, Shaara really embraced this. She already, like so many of us and so many young people, she knew how to communicate through difficult situations, through drama and the gossip and what people are posting. And I saw that clarity and that maturity in her and wanted to just instill this book with that wisdom that, that young people often know how, already how to navigate these complex and oppressive systems. And that if we can offer a spotlight to them or something that's substantive and really honors that intelligence, they're, we, we could learn a lot.   [00:20:49] Miko Lee: Speaking of drama and learning a lot. I know that you have a background in theater and theater of the oppressed, and I'm wondering how you bring that work into your RJ work.   [00:21:00] Tatiana Chaterji: Oh, well that's a big passion of mine. I have not done it as much in the classroom space as I might have liked. But it's it when, when there is the invitation or the, the, the container to really go deep and create stories. Using theatrical forms and, and our bodies, this, this magic of image theater, it can be so powerful.   [00:21:22] The bulk of my work in that area has been inside of prison and doing programming in that highly violent system where there is generative, juicy, beautiful art to be made. And I just shout out all of the incarcerated artists that I've worked with who helped to shape those spaces and do performance in the prison where, where there was kind of like a witnessing and a participation across the audience and the performers who are on stage. That is that that gives me a lot of just light and hope and yeah. Good stuff.    [00:22:02] Miko Lee: I wonder if you could share a bit for folks that are not as familiar with rj uh, restorative justice work, and particularly at school sites, if you could share about the carpet of community building, what is that all about?   [00:22:15] Tatiana Chaterji: Oh yeah. Well, in the book I talk about the standard model of three tiers of restorative justice using kind of a triangle diagram where the, the bottom third, it's not even quite a third, it's the biggest chunk of the triangle, but that bottom layer is tier one. And this is not just in restorative justice, a lot of people will be familiar with this, where tier one is kind of universal. It's supposed to be for everybody. It is supposed to work for everyone, kind of the way that you shape the culture and the conditions of a learning environment.   [00:22:48] Tier two is when things go wrong or rather. People might need more support, more individualized attention in an RJ context, that's often if there's conflict or a pattern of, uh, behavior that is harmful. And then tier three is at the very top where it's the fewest people. But the idea that maybe somebody needs to be removed in a typical school that would be through.   [00:23:15] Expulsion or suspension or even juvenile detention and that they are in a restorative justice framework, they are welcomed back with intention and clarity on what that means. Doing something that's called a cosa, a circle of support and accountability that looks at the ways that a young person can succeed and holds them to account with a lot of love and care.   [00:23:39] So that triangle is great. Kind of, but it also could be Reconceptualized as a carpet of just interconnecting reasons for meeting in Circle. And I really wanna credit one of my mentors and friends, Kamoa Johnson, who helped me to think about this as a sort of, there's so many reasons to get, come together and circle that none of them should be prioritized more than the other. Or rather that every single thing should be grounded in the strength of the community and building relationships. So if I'm meeting with someone because they did something. Wrong, quote unquote, you know, that's also an opportunity for relationship. And there should be, uh, a piece of us getting to know each other as human.   [00:24:23] That is part of that as well. And yeah, so I think like just thinking about the carpet you can think about the different kinds of circles that people practice. That is all happening as community. That community building has to happen first and alongside all of these other interventions. So it's almost like the two top layers of the triangle would actually be situated in the bottom triangle or the bottom little chunk. And that bottom chunk would actually be a circle    [00:24:50] Miko Lee: or just reconfiguring the whole idea of a triangle.   [00:24:54] Tatiana Chaterji: Right, exactly. Yeah.    [00:24:55] Miko Lee: Yeah. So that we are all on one level space working in collective, uh, communication.    [00:25:02] Tatiana Chaterji: Yeah, and I think I might've explained it in sort of a confusing way. You'd have to really look at the book to see the, the reconceptualization, but I wanna emphasize that The reason that this framework and this redesign is so crucial is because people jump into rj, they jump into a circle and they don't do the groundwork to prepare everyone, including themselves to be there. But in a school environment, there's any number of toxic elements that students are absorbing, that teachers are absorbing, that we're all kind of just surviving with, you know, we're hungry, we're tired, we're overstimulated, the lights are too bright. We didn't get enough sleep. There's distractions on our cell phones.   [00:25:44] There's so many reasons that prevent us from sitting with each other and listening and being willing to learn from what another person might say or what their experience might be. And so if we can just go. Backwards and start with authentic connection and community building and skilling people up on how to listen. Then we'll be more successful. Any number of people who have tried to do a circle and it fails, and I count myself in that group as well. It's not. All your fault. In fact, it might not be your fault at all. There's so many reasons why a circle will flop, and I think the assumption that I make is that people are not going to bear their souls to me or be vulnerable to me right off the bat.   [00:26:32] And maybe they won't really ever. But that there are steps that can be taken to soften the hostility, the inherent hostility or harshness that is in our society, and to kind of slowly work towards a, just a, like a, a warmth. A warmth where people feel like it's not dangerous to talk about the icky stuff and the uncomfortable stuff, and that we have to do it very slowly and in a container where students and really anyone can relearn the part of ourselves that we have to strip away when we grow up.   [00:27:11] Miko Lee: So I feel like you're talking about multiple things. One is creating a safe environment for the young people to be able to speak what's on their heart, what's on their mind, and, and to recognize that everybody's coming from such a different space. Even in one school. Even in one classroom. It reminds me of that theater game the moment before. Like you never know what happened to that person the moment before they came to that circle.    [00:27:34] Tatiana Chaterji: Yeah.    [00:27:34] Miko Lee: And so it's just to be very conscious of that, that, uh. All of the environment that they're coming from.    [00:27:41] Tatiana Chaterji: Yeah. Conscious of it and accepting of it, but also not accepting that that's it. Like if someone is showing up and they're on their phone or they're kind of listening in a superficial way, they give a a cheap answer to a question that that's not all they're capable of. And I think we know that and educators would know that, but they might not have the tools to allow the student to go deeper or to, or even the time in their day in the semester to allow that growth to happen. And so I spotlight this experiment that we did at Fremont, which was 12 weeks long, and it rotated three times.   [00:28:18] It was an intro to the Media Academy, introduction to that. Architecture academy, and then it was a restorative justice class. And in those 12 weeks from the start to the finish, I noticed an incredible change in the student's ability to connect with each other, to feel empowered, to take, uh, sort of shape what they understand and shape what they care about and what they might wanna advocate for. And it was an intensive laboratory. I was super strict about phones. You know, I was, it was like, that was the place where you had to listen, learn how to listen, which was, in fact, the, the, my biggest, deliverable for them was that they should know how to listen and that they, of course, knew how, but this was a way to practice it further.   [00:29:02] Miko Lee: Can you name a few other things in that 12 week session that were able to foment this, uh, community?    [00:29:10] Tatiana Chaterji: Yeah, I think because it was a non-academic space, I was really able to prioritize how people are listening and how they are, uh, speaking or communicating. So everybody has a different comfort level with speaking out loud. And being in circle can feel extremely intimidating if you're not someone who likes to talk in front of people or likes to have the spotlight on you. So through the course of the class, there were, there were smaller activities to practice, people's public speaking, and even reflecting and then articulating what it is that you wanna say and practicing what does it mean to divulge something but not too much that you feel exposed.   [00:29:50] That skill, I think, is something that adults often take for granted, that we know how to evaluate a situation and shape our story correctly. And not all adults either, but it's something that for young people that is some that, that they can grow into that. Understand what they might wanna share that would be meaningful without making them feel too naked in front of their peers. So it's sort of like all of these dimensions of what are the pressures that they're feeling among this group of people? What feels comfortable to share? And when we got, when we broke into the more vulnerable and tender territory, it was pretty incredible to see and, and witness the shift in energy and how letting people's guards down could happen, like in a responsible way. I, in no way, am advocating for having students and encouraging students to open up about their trauma and then be let loose into the, to the world. You know, there are so many dangerous things that, that people are dealing with and having to say,    [00:30:53] Miko Lee: especially our social media world.    [00:30:56] Tatiana Chaterji: Right, absolutely. That's a whole other terrain. But to say that there is perhaps more possible than what we accept. So, so we kind of, I think we give up on like, well, you know, people are gonna shut down. They already are shut down and they're guarded, and boom, that's it. Let's just roll with it. Let me give them as many worksheets as possible, but I'm not gonna ask them to talk out loud because that's too much and    [00:31:23] Miko Lee: watch a bunch of movies.    [00:31:25] Tatiana Chaterji: Yeah. Well, I mean, teachers would tell me that they were so grateful that this space was being held because of what I think they understood as like a, a naturally therapeutic environment. And then of course, it's crazy because it wasn't always great. Sometimes it, you know, it didn't, I couldn't contain the space as well as I wanted to, but then students would say that I was the only teacher that would. Require them to speak out loud. Um, and so, and I didn't do    [00:31:48] Miko Lee: what of the whole day? That was the only class?   [00:31:51] Tatiana Chaterji: Yeah. Yeah. That's pretty easy for some of them, you know, some of them and not all of them, but like, it's, it's remarkable to, to understand that education can happen that way. And increasingly with remote learning and with everything being sort of through this technological interface, it is possible to pretty much not communicate out loud. So then what does that mean? We are losing so much of what we're capable of.    [00:32:13] Miko Lee: Yeah. It's not giving voice to students at all. Literally.    [00:32:16] Tatiana Chaterji: Well, right. Yeah. Yeah.    [00:32:19] Miko Lee: I mean, you make me think of a couple things. One, when you talk about the public speaking, clearly that's where your theater training comes in, not just naturally to do the public speaking, but then I also, when you're talking about consent and what you're sharing and how much you're sharing of yourself, 'cause that can be very vulnerable for young folks, especially folks that are survivors. And I'm thinking about Dr. Danielle Allen from Harvard and her work around the youth participatory politics. Are you familiar with her stuff?    [00:32:47] Tatiana Chaterji: No,    [00:32:47] Miko Lee: she's amazing she, she has this whole theory about how youth should share, and one of her components is sharing, um, digitally what they wanna share about who they are in the world. But I was just thinking about these as you're speaking about how you're getting them to talk about who they are. And I'm wondering if you could share a little bit more about youth leadership and how that's part of the development of the program, how important that is.    [00:33:15] Tatiana Chaterji: Absolutely. Um, I have a quote from one of my favorite RJ comrades to BD Gibson where he says that anything a young person can do, they should do that. We should hand it over, you know allow for more scaffolded, kind of shared responsibility. When I think about from the beginning of a school year to the end, that, that there's kind of a, the teacher is, and the, or the youth worker, whoever's holding the space, is doing a lot of the work to, to teach the skills, to transfer, the skills, to mentor and empower or skill up the young people. And that through the course of the year, by the end of it, that the young people are taking it on, shaping it, and they're doing so. In collaboration with the adults. And that it is not so much just youth adult partnership, but that there's a, a sense of intergenerational ness even among young people.   [00:34:08] There might be two people on the same grade level, one of whom has been in a youth leadership program and already kind of feels confident about doing any number of things. And I and a and their peer who could learn from that. Or an upper class person and a younger class person or a recent graduate. Many of the teachers and staff at Fremont were actually alumni of the school, which was really powerful for students to see someone who had gone through those same hallways. I think that's all a, a, a piece of it.   [00:34:38] The other thing about youth leadership is that the model of restorative justice in schools that I'm grounded in and that I would say many of my people in Oakland are grounded in is peer leadership. So when students are leading circles, and not just leading circles, but also kind of having their ears to the ground and listening to what students are worried about, if there are social and political phenomena that are affecting students and staff, how, how can they shape the questions or the activities that might need to happen? And, um,    [00:35:12] Miko Lee: for sure they know what's happening way more than any teacher does.    [00:35:16] Tatiana Chaterji: Right. I mean, often or in a different way.    [00:35:18] Miko Lee: Mm-hmm.    [00:35:18] Tatiana Chaterji: And so to be able to invite their voice in a, in a, in a meaningful container that isn't tokenizing it, that isn't sort of celebrating them just for being young or oppressed. I mean, I see that a lot in, in, in the work of youth leadership even. But to sort of meaningfully integrate them, which also requires training them in various, skills. And that partnership and that kind of coming together and doing things as a community can be transformative for everyone involved. I mean, for the staff that I've worked with, not just at Fremont, but at other schools when I've had students that are leading a training in circle keeping, for example, that can be so magnificent because the teacher gets to literally learn from their students, which I think is a dream that many people already are already want to do.   [00:36:06] Miko Lee: Absolutely. I think that's true.   [00:36:08] Ayame Keane-Lee: We're gonna take a quick break from the interview and listen to Slow Fade by MILCK.   MUSIC   [00:40:26] That was Slow Fade by MILCK.   [00:40:29] Miko Lee: I wanna pull a little bit bigger and talk a little bit more about restorative justice for just a moment. You write in your book about this need for a cultural shift, a paradigm shift because we are living in a capitalistic, uh, you know punishment based world in that we have this whole prison industrial complex and in, in fact the education to prison industrial complex. So can you talk about the different questions that are asked that, that restorative justice uses versus re, re versus like.    [00:41:01] Tatiana Chaterji: retributive.    [00:41:02] Miko Lee: Yes. Cannot say that word. So talk a little bit about the difference in our current system, which is this punishment base versus a restorative justice based. What kind of questions are different?    [00:41:13] Tatiana Chaterji: Yeah, definitely. Uh, uh, and, and to say that it's not just oppressive, capitalistic, it's also very transactional, that our relationships are not human. They're about just what people can get from them. And I'm seeing that just a lot. Um, but Howard Zer, I think is one of the people that I would credit with these contrasting questions in our current system, in, in sort of punitive and criminal or carceral spaces, the questions are who what law or rule was broken?   [00:41:40] Who broke it? You know, who's at fault? And then what should be the consequence? And often consequence means punishment or retribution. It means a payback because you broke a law. And in that system, the law or the institutions, right, is. Is is more important than the person and the victim or survivor is invisible.   [00:42:02] They are not even really of concern. And our, that's how our criminal legal system works. You don't really often have to consult a victim or a survivor around what they want to have happened because they literally don't matter. Their, their voice is taken away. It's the state of California versus the person who is accused of a crime vis-a-vis the person who's hurt or their mother, their community versus someone who, who has caused harm in a restorative approach.   [00:42:30] We ask. What the heck just happened? What, what's going on? You know who was harmed? Who else was affected? And what needs to happen to make things right? And that what needs to happen to make things right? Also includes who needs to do what. So it's going into the impact, the needs that arise from that impact, and then the obligations that. flow from there. So it's a really sort of, it's a more holistic and humanizing approach to situations that are complex. There's always a backstory, and that backstory isn't to justify the harm, it's to give the context.   [00:43:14] It's to understand how things happen. I have, I'm now a mom, I have two kids. If something's going on at school or if my child is blamed for something, I have to ask what prompted this kid to do the thing? I mean, when you're a parent, you really feel it quite closely, but it's there all the time. There's sort of, there's cycles that get played out in any number of of problems that we attend to.   [00:43:38] Miko Lee: Thank you for breaking that down so clearly. We're living in this time right now where the Epstein files are just being released and every day there's a different story in the news. And I'm just wondering for folks right now that may be triggered every time they're listening or reading or what, taking in the news, what are some RJ methods for coping with that?   [00:44:01] Tatiana Chaterji: My gosh, I'm one of these people that is triggered constantly and I just wanna give a shout out to all the survivors of, um, of child sexual exploitation, commercial sexual exploitation, and um, uh, sexual violence, all the, the, um, the predatory stuff that happens on the streets in my community and definitely at the schools where I've been. It is extremely. Unjust on the local level, and we're seeing it at these, at the scale, right? Of power. So blatant,    [00:44:34] Miko Lee: so big, so international, so wild.    [00:44:39] Tatiana Chaterji: Yeah. So in terms of how can RJ help, I mean, I would say that there is such a lack of any kind of accountability right now for the harm doers for people who have caused harm. There's no, there's not, there's not, there's not punishment, right? If you wanna look at retributive justice, there's not sort of    [00:44:57] Miko Lee: no accountability.    [00:44:58] Tatiana Chaterji: There's no accountability, but there's no compassionate encounter with with people who have done harm either. I mean, the framework I guess I would offer is the social relationship window. Um, ol and waktel, Ted Wachtel, various people have reenvisioned it, Dorothy Ving, and if you get the book, you can see all that. So that legacy, but that we sort of, we hold people who are causing harm. We hold them with love, and we also hold them with with a clear structure and boundary around what's acceptable.   [00:45:28] And so we're not sliding into a permissive zone where where we just let it go and enable the behavior to happen. And we're also not trying to dehumanize people who have caused harm and only see them as as monsters. I, I don't know, miko when it comes to people with such. Positional power, privilege, and just impunity. I, I don't know if I would apply that to the, to the perpetrators, right, to the people who, who are responsible for such harm right now. Like, that's not the conversation that I'm interested in having. I think, yeah, I, I don't know. Maybe I'm messing up this question.    [00:46:02] Miko Lee: No, you're not. I's so complicated because as an abolitionist, you know, I don't want these. I don't want people to be incarcerated necessarily, but these are some hideous, awful people that are like, so how do, how do you like wrestle with that?    [00:46:18] Tatiana Chaterji: I think it's like the, there's individuals right, who cause harm, but I think the main thing is that there are systems that allowed this harm and are allowing and have continued this harm to happen. I,  [00:46:29] Miko Lee: and it's perpetrated. It's still going on.    [00:46:30] Tatiana Chaterji: Right? Right. So I think like it's really about dismantling these systems and, and shining the light on what is there that we don't always see because we are caught up in the interpersonal, right. And so much of conversations about oppression will get into interpersonal because that's what we see.   [00:46:46] Miko Lee: Mm-hmm.    [00:46:46] Tatiana Chaterji: So students and community members will feel that someone is racist because someone has made a comment or this, that and the other. They're not seeing the kind of racial capitalism, the structure of poverty and what's baked into our laws that are behind it. So I think what circle and what restorative justice spaces can do is for me as someone who resists.   [00:47:08] Racial capitalism and resists structural inequality and the existence of poverty and racialized poverty in the way that it is, that it is. I think it is a space for dreaming together, for, for identifying shared struggle. What are the common things that we're dealing with? A circle is really good because it breaks people out of isolation that they think they're grappling with a thing on their own, and actually it is shared by other people and perhaps everyone. [00:47:38] So then from that place of shared struggle, what do we dream that, could be different? And how do we, organize together? I see the healing component of storytelling and of channeling grief and rage as connected to action and, and strategy. So that's primarily what I would say. Thank you for that question, for this timeliness. Yeah.   [00:48:02] Miko Lee: I'm wondering what you want folks to understand after reading your book. What do you want them to walk away with?    [00:48:09] Tatiana Chaterji: I think I want people to maybe f feel a, a little bit more confident that they could to the heart of pain with students and with others in your life, that there are frameworks and structures or ideas that can really. Hold you and support you in navigating that hard stuff or that even to study it. Maybe I want people to be curious about how do people create justice? What is, what is healing based justice look like? What's possible? Let's study it together because it takes a lot of work. It's not apparent. Our media and Hollywood, they glamorize, you know, there's propaganda.   [00:48:58] There's just like a glamorous portrayal of vengeance and that humanity, we can have vengeance, but we can also have other things. And those things might be the ones that we, the, the healing based justice systems is what we want when it's representing our best selves and what could help us and future generations.   [00:49:17] So to walk away with a little bit of hope. To not throw away RJ because of your past experiences where it sucked. RJ often sucks because of how, because of any number of factors and that it doesn't, don't give up. Don't give up. It can be better. And it, and, and there's some things that we can all learn, including myself and any of my own mistakes, that there's perhaps, it's still worth fighting for and it's still worth trying, and that we can do it slowly with care, with intention, and to give that.   [00:49:51] Allowance that people aren't going to be always ready, and it's not their fault. They, that doesn't make them less good or smart or wise or politically, you know, savvy. It's that there's so much that we are working against all the time to, and, and our survival mechanisms are very toxic. We don't really treat each other well, and that's on purpose. In fact, we tear each other down and that's, how, systems are allowed to continue to exploit us. So, yeah, that's, it's kind of a mouthful, but maybe a little bit of that, like a little bit of inspiration to try things on.   [00:50:26] Miko Lee: Okay, I wanna go back. Can you give a breakdown of what copaganda is?    [00:50:32] Tatiana Chaterji: Oh, I mean, copaganda is what we all, I mean, I consume it certainly. It's like the, it's Paw patrol, it's my kids getting exposed to superhero dogs that are the police because they quote unquote save the day. So it's these stories that the police are going to help. And in fact, we should look for them. There was a one time at a story circle, this person was reading a book and the, and the refrain was, help is on the way. Help is on the way. It gets kept going through any number of crises. That, anyways, just to say that help is not always on the way, as many of us know from trying to seek police protection from harm.   [00:51:14] And that when it does arrive, if it does, that it can cause harm to us, that we can be the target of it, especially if we're disabled or marginalized in another way. So propaganda is so pervasive, but it's this idea that the police will will help us. And we'll keep us safe. And I know from personal experience, my students know that that's not always true. So then what is the alternative? We kind of like add our voice and creativity into the mix, which is also very hard because it's a lot to work through. People are so culturally accustomed to thinking about external sources of help and protection from the state. You know?    [00:51:52] Miko Lee: And many marginalized communities have created their own pods of safety, like the Black Panthers and queer and trans folks because they knew that they could not rely on the cops to be able to help.   [00:52:04] Tatiana Chaterji: Absolutely. Yep. And that's how I learned with Insight, women of Color against Violence, learning from people, immigrant women, sex workers, people who are not protected, who could not, or undocumented immigrants who couldn't call on the state for help. What. What do they need and how do they create that for themselves?   [00:52:22] Mimi Kim was a big inspiration for me. So in my politics, kind of like trying to bring more people into this, right? Like, what, what does it look like when you talk about abolition? And students are like, no, are you kidding? Like, we can't get rid of prisons. And, and, and that is absolutely okay to have that conversation and to sort of open up the possibilities there, recognizing that many people have not even gotten the kind of justice or protection that a prison might afford for some people and maybe has in some instances. Right? So to start with that and to be like, you deserve better now. You deserved better, your family deserves better.    [00:53:00] Miko Lee: You deserve food and shelter.    [00:53:02] Tatiana Chaterji: Yeah.    [00:53:02] Miko Lee: The basic things. Yes.    [00:53:04] Tatiana Chaterji: Yeah.    [00:53:05] Miko Lee: Thank you so much for sharing. I really appreciate it. So I found this quote in your book by Aurora Levin Morales, and I'm just wondering, please read that quote for me, and then tell me the why. Why you included this, why it's so important. [00:53:20] Tatiana Chaterji: Aurora Elevens Morales is this poet who has given me so much inspiration with her work. And this quote was on the website of Restore Oakland, where I've partnered and I just, uh, shout out to Kari and Tash and everyone. So she says, for what is revolution, if not healing? And I put it, uh, to start off my I think it's the conclusion, breathing in shards from a broken sky, new air, and new lungs.   [00:53:46] And I kind of put forth this idea of RJ lungs, which really like strength are, are, are strong with the power of empathy and connection. And yeah, I think that political work and change making happens with healing, it's before and after and all around that there has to be that synchronicity between healing what's wounded and, and, and giving us space for that while also activating change that they shouldn't happen in these bubbles, which I think is, uh, more and more people are embracing that interplay between the two. It's not just you, you heal over here and therapy. You do your political work where you burn out and people are getting abused and hurt all the time. It's like more we should hold all of our human messy selves in the political work.    [00:54:35] Miko Lee: Thanks so much. And then my final thing is you included a quote by a ninth grade student. Could you share that quote with me and    [00:54:43] Tatiana Chaterji: Yes.    [00:54:43] Miko Lee: Why it's so important?    [00:54:44] Tatiana Chaterji: One of my, um, teacher comrades Danielle Zimmerman, this quote came from one of her students in a writing exercise. And Ms. Z is someone who just really embraces RJ in all, in, in all ways. And so the student says, feed your heart with love, forgiveness, hope, and healing words. There is no other way to survive. And I think for me, it's like if we are supposed to live in this world, if we want to live here, and we are taught that we have to be hard, we have to protect ourselves and be harsh and battle the hostility, uh, what is going to happen to us as a result? How are we shaping the, the, the next generation, our families the school environments that we're part of, so that instead of that hardness feed yourself with this love, with this softness, with the power of of tenderness and and healing and it just, yeah, this student is so brilliant.   [00:55:46] Miko Lee: Thank you so much for listening tonight. Remember to reconnect to your ancestral technologies and hold in the power of tenderness.   [00:55:55] Please check out our website, kpfa.org/program/apexexpress to find out more about our show and our guests tonight. We thank all of you listeners out there. Keep resisting, keep organizing, keep creating, and sharing your visions with the world because your voices are important. Apex Express is produced by Ayame Keane-Lee, Anuj Vaidya, Cheryl Truong, Isabel Li, Jalena Keane-Lee, Miko Lee, Miata Tan, Preti Mangala-Shekar and Swati Rayasam. Tonight's show was produced by me Miko Lee, and edited by Ayame Keane-Lee. Have a great night.   The post APEX Express – 3.19.26- The Power of Tenderness appeared first on KPFA.

Buffalo Public Schools are under scrutiny following the New York State Attorney General's investigation into student suspensions and disciplinary practices. In this episode of What's Next?, Dina Thompson of the Erie County Restorative Justice Coalition and training director Andy Prinzing speak with contributor Ekua Mends-Aidoo about how restorative justice can help address the root causes of student behavior, strengthen relationships in schools, and significantly reduce suspensions.

A weekly magazine-style radio show featuring the voices and stories of Asians and Pacific Islanders from all corners of our community. The show is produced by a collective of media makers, deejays, and activists. Tonight our show is called Feed Your Heart. Host Miko Lee speaks with the collaborators and creators of the Asian American Pacific Islander Restorative Justice Network: Elli Nagai-Rothe & Tatiana Chaterji.   Restorative Justice is a movement and a set of practices that stands as an alternative to our current punitive justice system. It focuses on people and repairing harm by engaging all the impacted people working together to repair the harm. RJ is built off of ancient indigenous practices from cultures around the globe, including Native American, African, First Nation Canadian, and so many others. To find out more about Restorative Justice and the work of our guests check out Info about the AAPI RJ Network on the Ripple website: www.ripplecollective.org/aapirjnetwork NACRJ conference in New Orleans: www.nacrj.org/2026-conference Show Transcript [00:00:00] Opening Music: Apex Express Asian Pacific expression. Community and cultural coverage, music and calendar, new visions and voices, coming to you with an Asian Pacific Islander point of view. It's time to get on board the Apex Express.   [00:00:44] Miko Lee: Good evening. I'm your host Miko Lee, and tonight our show is called Feed Your Heart. And we are speaking about the collaborators and creators of the Asian American Pacific Islander Restorative Justice Network with the collaborators, Elli Nagai-Rothe and Tatiana Chaterji.   [00:01:03] Restorative justice is a movement and a set of practices that stands as an alternative to our current punitive justice system. It focuses on people and repairing harm by engaging all the impacted folks working together to repair that harm. RJ is built off of ancient indigenous practices from cultures around the globe, including Native American, African, first Nation Canadian, and many others. So join us as we feed your heart.    [00:02:01] Welcome to Apex Express. My lovely colleagues, Elli Nagai-Rothe, and Tatiana Chaterji. I'm so happy to speak with you both today. I wanna start off with a question I ask all of my guests, and Ellie, I'm gonna start with you and then we'll go with to you, Tati. And the question is who are your people and what legacy do you carry with you?   [00:02:24] Elli Nagai-Rothe: Hmm. I love that question. Thank you. My people come from Japan and Korea and China and Germany. My people are community builders and entrepreneurs survivors, people who have caused harm, people who have experienced harm people who've worked towards repair dreamers, artists and people who like really good food.   [00:02:51] And I carry their legacy of resilience and of gaman, which is a Japanese word that's a little hard to translate, but basically means something like moving through moving through the unbearable with dignity and grace. , And I carry a legacy to continue healing the trauma from my ancestral line the trauma and justice. And that's informs a lot of the work that I do around conflict transformation and restorative justice.   [00:03:19] Miko Lee: Thank you so much. And Tati, what about you? Who are your people and what legacy do you carry with you?    [00:03:25] Tatiana Chaterji: Thank you for the question, Miko. The first thing that comes to mind, my people are the people we're, we're, we're coming up on the cusp of a possible teacher strike, and I'm thinking about workers and the labor, movement and comrades in my life from doing work as a classified school worker for about a decade.   [00:03:46] Then my people are also from, my homelands. The two that I feel very close to me are in Finland, from my mom's side, and then in Bengal, both India, west Bengal, and Bangladesh. And my people are also those who are facing facing the worst moments of their life, either from causing harm or experiencing harm as a survivor of violence.   [00:04:08] I think about this a lot and I think about also the smaller conflicts and tensions and issues that bubble up all the time. So my people are those that are not afraid to make it better, you know, to make it right. And I carry, oh gosh, what legacy do I. I wanna say first kind of the legacy of the Oakland RJ movement that really nurtured me and the youth that I've encountered in schools and in detention on the streets in the community.   [00:04:39] Youth who are young adults and becoming bigger, older adults and, and, and also elders. To me. So sort of that's whose legacy I carry in shaping the. Society that we all deserve.    [00:04:52] Miko Lee: Thank you both for answering with such a rich, well thought out response that's very expansive and worldly. I appreciate that. Ellie, I think it was two years ago that you reached out to me and said, I'm thinking about doing this thing with Asian American Pacific Islanders around restorative justice and you're working on a project with Asian Law Caucus. Can you like roll us back in time about how that got inspired, how you started and where we're at right now?   [00:05:22] Elli Nagai-Rothe: Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I'd forgotten that we, I had reached out to you at the early stages of this miko. The idea for this emerged in the context of conversations I was having with Asian Law Caucus around, anti-Asian violence and restorative justice. There was an enthusiasm for restorative justice as a pathway toward healing for AAPI communities. One of the things that kept coming up in those conversations was this assumption that there are no, or very few Asian restorative justice practitioners. And I kept thinking this, that's not true. There are a lot, plenty of Asian practitioners. And I think that for me reflects the larger context that we're living in the US where Asians are both at the same time, like hyper visible, , right. In terms of some of the violence that was happening. If you roll back several years ago I mean it's still happening now, but certainly was, was at the height several years ago. So like hyper visible around that, but also in terms of like my model minority status, but also at the same time like invisibilized. So that strange paradox. And so my part of that was thinking about, well, what, what opportunities exist here, right? How can we actually bring together the restorative justice, Asian restorative justice practitioners in the Bay Area to be like regionally focused to come together to talk about how do we bring our identities into more fully into our work, , to build community with each other, and then also to build this pathway for new, for emergent practitioners to join us in this work. That's a little bit of the background of how it came to be, and I'd love Tati to speak more to some of that context too.   [00:07:00] Tatiana Chaterji: Yeah, thanks Ellie. Definitely thinking about work that I was doing in Chinatown and San Francisco. I was working with Chinese Progressive Association just before actually Asian Law Caucus reached out to us with this idea. I wanna shout out Lewa and Cheyenne Chen Le Wu, who are really envisioning an alternative process for their the members of this organization who are immigrant monolingual Cantonese speakers and, and working class immigrants. What are the options available to them to respond to harm and violence in any, any number of ways? And one of the things that we really saw.   [00:07:37] Miko Lee: Non carceral, right? Non carceral options to violence and harm, right?    [00:07:42] Tatiana Chaterji: Yes, exactly. That's exactly what we were thinking of is, and in the period of time where people are talking about anti-Asian hate, they're talking about hate crimes and violence against Asian Americans, there's a simultaneous rhetoric and a belief that Asian people love police or want police interventions or actually believe al punishment. And no doubt that can be true for, for some of our community, but it is not the overwhelmingly dominant truth is what I would say. What I would say, and that actually by believing that Asian folks loved the police was its own bizarre and very toxic racial stereotyping that. Very vulnerable communities who are non-English speakers and living un under wage exploitation and other conditions.   [00:08:34] And so what we were doing was looking at what are the ways that we think about justice and the right way to respond to things and our relational ecosystems. And we began with messages from our home and family dynamics and kind of went outwards and, and everything was presented in Cantonese. I'm not a Cantonese speaker. I was working closely with those two women I mentioned and many others to think about. What is. Not just the, the linguistic translation of these concepts, but what is the cultural meaning and what applies or what can be sort of furthered in that context. And there were some very inspiring stories at the time of violence across communities in the city, and particularly between the Chinese community and the African American community and leaders in those spaces working together and calling forth the abolitionist dreams that were kind of already there.   [00:09:28] That people just want this kind of harm or violence not to happen. They don't want it to happen to anyone again. And this is some thing I think about a lot as a survivor, that that is the dominant feeling is like we, you know, vengeance are not desires for some sort of punishment or not, that this should not happen again. And what can we do to prevent that and really care for the healing that needs to happen.    [00:09:53] Miko Lee: I appreciate you bringing up this solidarity between the African American and, and specifically Chinese American communities wanting a more abolitionist approach. We don't hear that very much in mainstream media. Usually it's pitted the Asian against black folks. Especially around the anti-Asian hate. We know that the majority of the hate crimes, violence against Asian folks were perpetrated by white folks. That's what the data shows, but the media showed it was mostly African American folks. So I really appreciate lifting that part up. So take us from that journey of doing that work with a Chinese progressive association, powerful work, translating that also from, you know, your English to Chinese cultural situations to this network that you all helped to develop the A API Restorative Justice Network, how did that come about?   [00:10:45] Tatiana Chaterji: Part of the origin story is, is work that had been happening across the Bay Area. I was speaking about what's happening in Chinatown. There's also this coalition of community safety and justice that really has been diving into these questions of non carceral response to harm and violence. Then on the other side of the bay in Oakland, the Asian Pacific Environmental Network has been working with Restore Oakland to sit with survivors of crime and build up skills around circle keeping and response. So that's just a little bit of this beautiful ecosystem that we are emerging out of. It almost felt like a natural extension to go here, you know, with a pen and restore Oakland. They were thinking a lot about interpretation and language justice. And so this is also just pulling these threads together for more robust future and practice.    [00:11:41] Miko Lee: Thank you so much for making those connections. We'll put a link in our show notes because we did a recent episode on the Coalition for Community Safety and Justice, and particularly the collective Knowledge based catalog, which captures all these different lessons. So I think what you're pointing out is that all these different groups are coming together, Asian American focus groups to, Pacific Islander focus groups to be able to find, alternatives to the Carceral system in an approach to justice.    [00:12:08] Elli Nagai-Rothe: Well, so it came about through lots of conversations, lots of collaborations I feel so, honored to be able to collaborate with Tati in this work. And other folks who were, , partnering alongside the Asian Law Caucus in this larger grant that was being offered to address anti-Asian hate and violence. Ultimately through many conversations, just wanting to create a space that was created for and by Asian restorative justice practitioners. And as far as we know, it's the only. Gathering or, or network if it's kind in the Bay Area, maybe in the nation. Somebody who's listening maybe can chime in if that's true, that's not true. But as far as we know, that's the only space that's like this. And part of what we've wanted to create is certainly first and foremost because this is so much of the work of restorative justice, at least for us, is about relationships. At the end of the day, it's how we relate to each other and thinking of, of different ways than is often modeled in mainstream world about how we relate to each other.   [00:13:11] We wanted to start with those relationships and so. We created space for current practitioners in the Bay Area to come together. And we had a series of both in-person and virtual conversations. And really it was a space to offer to really build this sense of community and these relationships to share our knowledge with each other, to offer really deep peer support. And specifically we were really interested in bringing and weaving more of our cultural and ancestral ways of being into our practice of restorative justice. And so what does that look like? Can we bring more of those parts of ourselves into our work, our lived experiences into our work, and how we address and hold conflict and harm. I'll speak for myself, such a nourishing space to be part of with other practitioners. Just really allowing more of like a holistic sense of ourselves into our work. And what all the things that could that have come from that. So we've been continuing to meet, so what has this been like two years now? [00:14:12] Almost? We had, in addition to the existing practitioners who were based in the Bay Area, we held a training for like an introduction to restorative justice training that built on the things we were thinking about and learning about with each other around our Asian identities. And that was for folks who were kind of in an adjacent field, social workers, therapists, educators, folks who are doing work with API community workers. And so then we train them up and then they join this net, this larger network. And we've continued to have conversations every month, in a community of practice space. For me, such a wonderful space to be able to connect, to continue, explore together how we can bring more of ourselves into our work in a more relational, integrated and holistic way.   [00:14:56] Miko Lee: Thanks so much for that overview. I wanna go into it a little bit more, but I wanna roll us back for a moment. And Tati, I'd love if you could share with our audience what is restorative justice and what does a restorative justice practitioner do.    [00:15:08] Tatiana Chaterji: The big one. Okay. I think of restorative justice as an alternative to criminal and punitive responses to harm and wrongdoing. I think that's where the definition really comes to life. Although people who are in the field will say that actually it's before the harm or wrongdoing happens, and that it's about cultural norms and practices of caring for each other in a communal way, having each other's back relying on relationships, which also includes effective communication and compassionate communication. So Restorative justice in how I've learned it in the, in the Oakland community was, a lot of the practices were carried by a European Canadian woman named Kay PRUs, who's one of my teachers and who had also, studied with first Nations people in Canada that ish and klingit people, and that there's been some controversy over how she carried those teachings and that there's native people on all sides who have sort of taken a stand.   [00:16:12] I wanna name, this controversy because it feels important to talk about cultural appropriation, cultural survival, that circle practice and how circle is done in many restorative justice spaces will feel very foreign to a person who is indigenous, who perhaps has these ancestral practices in their own lineage, their own history and family. And this is because of colonialism and, and erasure and displacement, and. Reckoning with all of this as immigrants who are on native land, you know, from all, most of us in the API RJ network. Just what, what is this? What, how do we grapple with this? You know, how do we do an appropriate recognition of practices and traditions and how do we build and think about interconnection or the inherent and intuitive knowledge that we have to do non-car work, which is at the core, I've sort of expanded off of your prompt, but an RJ practitioner is someone who holds space for for these conversations, kind of when things are the hardest, when there is heartbreak and betrayal and harm or conflict and also what, the work of setting conditions for that not to happen or for the way that we move through those difficulties to go as best as possible.    [00:17:43] Miko Lee: Thank you for expanding on that. I'm wondering if Ellie, you could add to that about like what is a circle practice, what does that look like?   [00:17:51] Elli Nagai-Rothe: A circle practice. It can look like a lot of different things, but ultimately it's being in a circle, and being able to connect with each other. Again, I talked about how relationships are at the core. That might be when we're, when we're in circling together, we are relating to each other. We're telling our stories. We're weaving our stories together that might be happening when there's no conflict and when there's no harm. In fact, ideally that's happening all the time, that we're being able to gather together, to share stories, to be known by each other and so that if and when conflict does occur, we know how to, how to connect and how to come back to each other because the relationships matter. We know. Okay. 'cause conflict will happen. We will, we are gonna hurt each other. We're humans. That's part of being human. We're gonna mess up and make mistakes. And so a prac having a practice to come back together to say, well, what, what can we do to repair this? How can we make this right, as Tati was saying? [00:18:46] And, and so then circling, be circling up and having a circle practice can also mean when there is conflict, when harm has happened, how can we have people be able to hear one another, to understand what's happening and to repair as much as possible. Um, while doing that again in the ecosystem of relationships. So sometimes that's happening with a, a couple folks and sometimes that's happening with a whole community or a whole group of people.   [00:19:10] Ayame Keane-Lee We're going to take a quick pause from the interview and listen to Tatiana recite an excerpt from the A API RJ Network Reflection document.   [00:19:18] Tatiana Chaterji: Mirrors of each other. To prepare for our closing ritual, I pull a small table with a candle and incense from the back room into the circle. This is our last in-person gathering, and we want to end with building a collective altar for the future of RJ that is rooted in the wisdom of our Asian cultural lineages.Please think of an offering to make this vision a reality. I explain that we use our imaginations to sculpt the air in front of us, shaping it into the essence of the offering. As I have done in prison with incarcerated artists who create textures and depth of story without material props, supplies, or the frills of theater production on the outside.   [00:20:01] I volunteered to go first and model how this is done. Standing and walking towards the altar. I bring my fingers to the center of my chest and pinch an imaginary ball of thread. I want to deepen my understanding of Bengali peacemaking and justice traditions. I say pulling the thread in a vertical motion, stretching up and down to create a cord of groundedness. Realizing there are actually many dimensions. I also pull the thread forwards and backwards in a lateral direction, saying this means looking to the past and dreaming the future. I hold this grided net, gather it around my body and ceremoniously place it on the altar. Others echo the desire for bringing forward parts of their Asian lineage that aren't accessible to them. People create shapes with their bodies, making offerings to the altar that symbolize taking up space, staying grounded in a world that is shaky, reciprocity with the earth, ancestors and descendants, bringing in more ancestors permission to create and play forgiveness to self and others. Timelessness with Earth as a mirror and patience.   [00:21:14] Sujatha closes her eyes and forms an image for us through stream of consciousness. She says, I see indra's net infinite with shimmering diamonds. At each point, I notice the goosebumps raise on the skin of my arms as she continues it is as if she has reached inside of me pulling from the sutra of ra, which was part of my childhood. It is a piece of scripture and a spiritual concept that deeply grounds my practice in RJ as an adult. I see her hands, which she has raised, and fingers trembling, glimmering ever so slightly. She speaks slowly carrying us with her in a visualization de drops, mirrors. I cannot be who I am meant to be unless you are who you are meant to be. RJ is the material of the web. This was a rare moment of belonging for me, as I seamlessly reflected in the speech and cultural symbols of a peer seamless. This integration as South Asian and as an RJ practitioner, seamless, being able to hang onto a reference from religious traditions that are hidden in the diaspora or distorted by mainstream social messaging.   [00:22:28] Ayame Keane-Lee We hope you enjoyed that look into the AAPI RJ Network Reflection. Let's get back to the interview.   [00:22:35] Miko Lee: Can you each share what brought you to this work personally?   [00:22:40] Tatiana Chaterji: Sure. As a young activist involved in Insight Women of Color against Violence and aware of the work of Critical Resistance, and I had a pretty clear politics of abolition, but I didn't. Really think that it impacted me as personally as it did when I was in my early twenties and I suffered a brain injury from a vehicular assault, a hit and run that may have been gang affiliated or, a case of mistaken identity. My recovery is, is, is complicated. My journey through various kinds of disabilities has shaped me. But I think the way that I was treated by the police and by the justice quote unquote justice system, which I now call the criminal legal system, it because there was no justice. I sort of don't believe that justice is served in the ways that survivors need. yeah, I really, I got very close to the heart of what an RJ process can do and what RJ really is. I got introduced to Sonya Shah and the work of Suha bga and I was able to do a surrogate victim offender dialogue and then later to facilitate these processes where people are kind of meeting at the, at the hardest point of their lives and connecting across immense suffering and layers of systemic and interpersonal internalized oppression. [00:23:59] Just so much stuff and what happens when you can cross over into a shared humanity and recognition. It's just, it's just so profound and and from that space of healing and, and, and compassion, I've been able to think about. Other ways that RJ can look and have sort of been an advan, what is it evangelical for it? You know, I think that because we don't see these options, I, I, because I knew people, I was able to connect in this way and I would just shout out David uim, who's the one who told me that even if I didn't know the person who harmed me, that this was possible. People so often give up, they're just like, well, I have to feel this way. I have to just deal with it. Swallow the injustice and the lack of recognition. Just sort of keep going. Grit your teeth. I think we don't have enough knowledge of what's possible and so we harden ourselves to that. Yeah, I'll stop there. Thanks for listening.    [00:24:59] Miko Lee: Oh, that's the gaman that Ellie was talking about, right? In Chinese we say swallow the bitter. Right. To be able to just like keep going, keep moving. And I think so much of us have been programmed to just something horrible happens. You just swallow it, you bite it down, you don't deal with it and you move on. Which is really what RJ is trying to teach us not to do, to recognize it, to to talk to it, to speak to it, to address it so that we could heal. Ellie, what about you? How did you get involved?    [00:25:30] Elli Nagai-Rothe: Yeah. And Tati, thanks so much for sharing. I always appreciate hearing. I like your story and what draws you to this work is so powerful. For me, I'll take it a little bit more meta further back. What draws me to this work is my family history. I'm multiracial. My family, my ancestry comes from many different places. And part of that my grandparents, my aunties, uncles, Japanese Americans who were, who were born, some of them, my grandpa, and his family here in Oakland, in this area. And, um, other my grand, my grandmother and her family in Southern California. During World War II, were unjustly incarcerated along with 125,000 Japanese Americans in ways that were so deeply harmful and traumatic and are so parallel to what is happening right now to so many communities who are being detained and deported. And that experience has deeply, deeply impacted certainly my community's experience, but my family's experience of trauma.   [00:26:30] And I'm yonsei, fourth generation Japanese American. And though I wasn't directly involved or impacted by that incarceration, I feel it very viscerally in my body, that feeling of loss, of disconnection of, of severance from community, from family, from place, and, . Even before I knew what restorative justice was, I was in my body striving to find justice for these things that have happened? That drew me into conflict transformation work and ultimately restorative justice work. And that's where I found really at the, at the core, so much of this, this intuitively feels right to me. I didn't wanna have a place of, I wanted to heal. That was what I wanted to feel the feeling of, can we heal and repair and can I heal and repair what's happened in this, my experience and my family's experience and community's experiences?   [00:27:23] That work ultimately led me to do restorative justice work here in the Bay Area. I started doing that work with schools and community organizations. And so I really hold the bigger possibilities of what's possible when we think differently about how we hold relationships and how we hold deep, deep pain and harm and what's possible when we can envision a different kind of, a world, a different kind of community where we can take accountability for things that have happened. And knowing that all of us at, at different places, I know that's true in my family line, have caused harm and also experienced harm, that those things can happen at the same time. And so how can we have a sense of humanity for what's possible when we actually come, come to each other with a humility of what, how can we heal? How can we heal this together? How can we make this as right as possible? So that's, that's a bit of my story.    [00:28:13] Miko Lee: Thank you both for sharing.   [00:28:15] Ayame Keane-Lee Next we're going to take a music break and listen to Miya Folick “Talking with Strangers”   MUSIC   [00:34:05] that was “Talking with Strangers” by Miya Folick   [00:34:09] Miko Lee: I'm wondering, I know this, Asian American, Pacific Islander, RJ Circle, a bunch of it has been online just because this is how we do in these times and I'm wondering if there's something unique and empowering about doing this online. I bring that up because there have been many in person gatherings. I've been a part of this circle, so I'm really happy to be a part of it. For me, the vibe of being in person where we're sharing a meal together, we're in a circle, holding onto objects, making art together is very different from being online. And I'm wondering, if there's something uniquely positive about being online?   [00:34:47] Tatiana Chaterji: I would just say that yeah, the intimacy and the warmth and the sort of the strength of the bonds that we have in this network are, are so beautiful and it's possible to have incredible, virtual experiences together. A lot of us do movement art or theater or creative. We have creative practices of our own. And when we lead each other in those exercises, we are really just a feeling of togetherness. Like that's so special. And for people who have had that online, they know what I'm talking about. That can be really, really incredible. And, you know, we've been in the Bay Area and really in Oakland, but we want to expand or we want to think about what are all the ways that we can connect with other people. Around this intersection of API identity and RJ practice. And so that's the potential, I guess is what I would say is just to really, move across time and space that way.   [00:35:47] Miko Lee: Ellie, do you have thoughts on this, the online versus in real life?    [00:35:51] Elli Nagai-Rothe: I think there's so many wonderful things about being in person because I feel like so much, at least I don't know about your worlds, but my world, so much of it is online these days on Zoom. There is something really special about coming together, like you said, to share a meal to be in each other's physical presence and to interact in that way. At the same time when we're online, there's still so much warmth and connection and intimacy that comes from these relationships that I've been building over now, like two years for some of us. The opportunities are more about being able to reach accessibility, right? Folks to be able to come online and, and potentially even broaden. I mean, who knows what that will look like right now it's regionally focused, but maybe there's a future in which that happens to be outside the Bay Area.   [00:36:31] Miko Lee: And speaking of the future and where it's going. This initially started by, funding from one of the Stop the Hate grants, which sadly has concluded in the state of California. I'm wondering what this means for this, process that it doesn't have any set funding anymore what does the future look like?    [00:36:52] Elli Nagai-Rothe: We really wanna continue this miko and being able to continue to meet and gather in community. Right now we're continuing to meet monthly in our community of practice space to support each other and to continue to explore really this intersection, right, of restorative justice in our idea, our Asian identities. There's so much more opportunity to continue to build together, to create a larger community and base of folks who are exploring and ex doing this work together. Also for the intention of what does that mean for our communities? How can we find ways to take this practice that many of us do, right?   [00:37:27] As practitioners, how can we translate that to our community so that we know, we know at its core that this work, there are things from our cultural practices that are just. So familiar, right? Certain practices around how we you know, this radical, some of the things we talked about, radical acts of hospitality and care are so intuitive to our Asian communities. How can we translate that practice in our work so that we can continue to make this these pathways available to our community? So we hope to continue, we wanna continue to gather, we wanted to continue to build, um, and make space for more people to join us in this exploration and this opportunity for yeah, more expansion of what's possible for our communities.   [00:38:11] Miko Lee: For me as somebody who's Chinese American and being a part of this network, I've learned from other Asian American cultures about some of the practices, well, I did know about things like tsuru folding a paper crane as part of the Japanese American culture, learning different things from different community members about elements that are part of their cultures and how they incorporate that, whether that's yoga or a type of, Filipino martial art or a type of Buddhist practice. And how they fit that into their RJ work has actually helped me kind of expand my mind and made me think about more ways that I could bring in my own Chinese American culture. So for me, that was one of those things that was like a blessing. I'm wondering what each of you has learned personally about yourself from being part of this network.   [00:39:02] Tatiana Chaterji: What comes to mind is the permission to integrate cultural identity and practice more explicitly and to know that there are others who are similarly doing that. It's sort of this, this acceptance of sort of what I know and how I know it that can be special. You know, in the, in the similar way that I mentioned about cultural appropriation and the violence that various communities have felt under capitalism and white supremacist structures. Everything there is, there is, I don't, something, something so magical to just step outside of that and be like, this is, it's a mess. It's a mess out there. We are constantly battling it. How do we actually not make ourselves smaller right here?    [00:39:50] Miko Lee: I totally hear that. And I'm thinking back to this gathering we had at Canticle Farms, where I think Tati, you said, when was the last time you were in a space where you were the only Asian person and how you walk through that mostly white space and what is that like for you and how do you navigate? And so many people in the room are like, what their minds were blown. For me, I'm in mostly Asian American spaces and Pacific Islander spaces, so I'm like, oh wow, that wasn't always true for me. So that's my time in my life right now. So it was really fascinating to kind of ponder that.   [00:40:24] Tatiana Chaterji: Yeah. And I think many of us, I'm so glad that you feel that because many of us, don't really know what exactly our ancestral technologies might be, or even what to name. This gave us, again, permission to look back or to reframe what we know or that we've understood from community as being from various traditions, homelands, you know, longer legacies that we're carrying and just to, to, to, to celebrate that or to even begin to, to, to bring language to that and feel a place of our own belonging. Whereas, I mean, as a South Asian diasporic member of the diaspora, I see so many the words that are coming from Sanskrit, which has its own, history of castes violence and like sort of what the expansion and the co-optation is, is, is really quite massive to the point where I feel like I'm on the outside and I don't believe that I should own it any more than anyone else. But I think if there's a way that it's practiced that is in, in, in integrity and less commodified because it is ancient, because it is medicine. You know, that I, I deserve to feel that, you know, and to tend to be welcomed into it in, in this you know, outside of the homeland to be here in Asian America or whatever it is, and to claim it is something quite special.   [00:41:50] Miko Lee: Love that. Thank you for sharing. Ellie, what about you? What have you learned from being in part of this network?    [00:41:55] Elli Nagai-Rothe: I was just gonna say like, yes, Tati to all the things you just said. So appreciate that. I, it's very similar, similar in some ways to what Tati was saying, like the, the permission giving, the space that we, oh, permission giving that we give to each other, to to claim, like, to claim and reclaim these practices. And I think that's what I heard so often from people in this network and continue to hear that this, the time, our time together and the things that we're doing. Feel like it's, it doesn't feel like a so much about like our, what is our professional practice. And I say professional with quotes. It's more of like, how do we integrate this part, this really profound journey of ancestral reclaiming, of remembering, of healing. And, and when we do that, we're working from this really. A deep place of relationship, of interdependence, of where we're like, our identity and our sense of who we are is so connected to our communities. It's connected to the natural world. And so like how can we, that's part of what I've appreciated is like really in this deep way, how can we remember and reconnect to, in some cases, like practices, pre-colonial practices and wisdom that was suppressed or taken away, certainly in my and family experience, right?   [00:43:11] It was very deliberately state sponsored violence severed those practices. And so some of this reclaiming as a part of my own healing has been really given me more voice and space to say like, yeah, I can, I can, I want to, and I, that's part of my own practice, but also share that with the, the groups that I'm part of. And that feels a little bit. We talked about that a little bit in the network of how do we share these practices in ways that feel authentic, like Tati said, with integrity, but also what does that mean to share these practices in spaces that are outside of, you know, Asian communities? I don't know, like that's a whole other conversation, right? It feels because there is so much cultural co-opting that's happening, right? And so I feel, I think that's why this network is so valuable and, and helpful to be in a space. Of course, it's a very diverse group of Asian identities and yet it's a space where we can feel like we can try on in these practices to see what that feels like in our bodies in ways that feel really like, have a lot of integrity and a lot of authenticity and to support each other in that.   [00:44:12] And so that we can feel able to then share that in spaces than, in our communities and the work that we're doing in terms of, restorative justice work.  [00:44:19] Miko Lee: So how can our audience find out more about these circles if they wanna learn more about how they could potentially get involved?   [00:44:29] Elli Nagai-Rothe: The best way to go is to look at the Ripple Collective website, ripple collective.org. We have some information about, the A API Restorative Justice Network there. I'm hoping that we can continue this. I really am excited about, members of the network continuing to stay in relationship with each other, to support each other. Tati and I are gonna be offering a session at the upcoming national Association for Community and Restorative Justice Conference that's happening in New Orleans in July. We're gonna be sharing what we learned about our experiences with this network and centering our Asian identities and restorative justice practice. We're gonna be holding a a caucus space for Asian practitioners to come and join us. Yeah, so what else? Tati.    [00:45:14] Tatiana Chaterji: We're also compiling reflections from various participants in the network around what this has meant. What, what have they learned or discovered, and what's to come. I think a question that I've had, a question that we've been stewing on with other South Asian, , practitioners is what does you know, what does caste how does caste show up and reckoning with harm doing? And our communities are not a monolith, and, and as we are treated as part of a, sort of like a brown solidarity, third world movement space in the West, there's just a lot of unrecognized and unnamed oppression that is actively happening. So, you know, really like being, being brave and humble to, to, to talk about that.    [00:46:01] Miko Lee: Thank you both so much for sharing your time with me today.    [00:46:05] Elli Nagai-Rothe: Thanks so much, Miko.    [00:46:06] Tatiana Chaterji: Thanks, Miko.   [00:46:07] Ayame Keane-LeeTo finish off our show tonight, we'll be listening to “Directions” by Hāwane.   MUSIC   [00:49:55] That was “Directions” by Hāwane.   [00:49:57] Miko Lee: Thank you so much for listening tonight. Remember to reconnect to your ancestral technologies and hold in the power of tenderness. To find out more about restorative justice and the work of our guests, check out info about the A API RJ network on the Ripple website, ripple collective.org, and about the conference that Ellie and Tati will be presenting at at the NAC RJ Conference in New Orleans, both of which we'll have linked in our show notes.   [00:50:30] Please check out our website, kpfa.org/program/apex Express to find out more about our show and our guests tonight. We thank all of you listeners out there. Keep resisting, keep organizing, keep creating, and sharing your visions with the world because your voices are important. Apex Express is produced by Ayame Keane-Lee, Anuj Vaidya, Cheryl Truong, Isabel Li, Jalena Keane-Lee, Miko Lee, Miata Tan, Preeti Mangala Shekar and Swati Rayasam. Tonight's show was produced by me Miko Lee, and edited by Ayame Keane- Lee. Have a great night.   The post APEX Express – 3.12.26- Feed Your Heart appeared first on KPFA.

Brian Warth was caught in a bitter custody battle and traumatized by his brother's murder before the streets of California sucked him into a life of crime. After committing a murder at just 16 years old, he was sentenced to life in prison, forcing him to survive the brutality of LA County youth facilities and maximum security penitentiaries as a teenager. He reveals the raw reality of growing up behind bars and how Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger eventually signed his parole after 16 hard years. _____________________________________________ #ianbick #lockedin #lockedinpodcast #prisonlife #lifesentence #prisonsurvival #californiaprison #truecrime _____________________________________________ Connect with Brian Warth: YouTube: BrianWarthTV Instragram: _brianwarth Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/brian.warth Book: Young Man Arise! https://www.amazon.com/Young-Man-Arise-Brian-Warth/dp/162952607X _____________________________________________ Hosted, Executive Produced & Edited By Ian Bick: https://www.instagram.com/ian_bick/?hl=en https://ianbick.com/ _____________________________________________ Shop Locked In Merch: http://www.ianbick.com/shop _____________________________________________ Timestamps: 00:00 The Arrest That Changed Everything 04:41 Broken Home: Custody Battles & Family Struggles 08:52 Growing Up Around Gangs 15:09 Trauma, Loss & Joining a Gang 19:49 Running Away and Getting Pulled Into Street Life 25:38 Gang Violence, Early Arrests & Escalation 33:51 The Crime That Put Him Facing Life in Prison 45:06 Juvenile Hall, Jail & Sentencing Day 54:21 The Turning Point: Faith and Change 01:01:13 Youth Prison: Inside the “Gladiator School” 01:13:59 From Youth Prison to Adult Prison 01:18:43 Learning Prison Politics & Survival 01:25:28 How He Survived Prison Mentally & Physically 01:33:36 Parole Hearings, Hope & Crushing Setbacks 01:45:40 Walking Out of Prison After Years Inside 01:52:08 Rebuilding Life After Prison 02:06:00 Forgiveness, Restorative Justice & Healing 02:09:00 Final Lessons, Advice & Book Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this compelling episode of Behind Beautiful Things, host Kevin welcomes Amanda for a powerful conversation about childhood trauma, healing, and restorative justice. Amanda bravely shares the difficult experiences she endured as a child and how those formative challenges shaped her path toward an extensive education in criminal law.Together, they explore the principles of restorative justice — a justice model that centers victims, prioritizes accountability, and seeks healing over punishment. Instead of pitting individuals against each other within an adversarial legal system, restorative justice focuses on dialogue, repair, and community-based solutions.This episode dives into topics including trauma recovery, criminal justice reform, victim advocacy, legal education, accountability, and alternatives to traditional prosecution. If you're interested in restorative practices, justice system reform, survivor empowerment, or the intersection of law and healing, this conversation offers insight, depth, and hope.Tune in to Behind Beautiful Things for an inspiring and informative dialogue about resilience, justice, and creating meaningful change.Please note: This episode contains descriptions of sexual assault, homocide, violence, and domestic violence. Please take care while listening. Check Out Amanda's Work:Website - https://amandacarrasco.com/Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/amanda_the_brave_oneTikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@amandacarrasco.comX - https://x.com/Amanda_Carrasco Linked in: https://www.linkedin.com/in/amanda-carrasco-48b377173/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61575975954441 Behind Beautiful Things Website: www.sadtimespodcast.com Follow Behind Beautiful Things on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/373292146649249Follow Behind Beautiful Things on Instagram: @behindbeautifulthingspodcastLearn more about Kevin's Professional Speaking and Acting at www.kevincrispin.com Check out Kevin's substack: https://allconviction.substack.com Get your very own “Sad Schwag”: https://www.teepublic.com/stores/hysteria51/albums/253388-sad-times-podcast?ref_id=9022Editorial note: Behind Beautiful Things is committed to sharing various stories from generous guests. The hope is to allow any number of stories to be shared to help people feel less alone and, perhaps, more empathetic. It is important to clarify that the guests' stories, perspectives, and sentiments do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Behind Beautiful Things in any way. Please note that Behind Beautiful Things is in no way a substitute for medical or professional mental health support.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Please join us for a wonderful episode with Pamela, who works as the restorative justice manager at the James B. Moran Center for Youth Advocacy. Her background in journalism, as a graduate of our own Northwestern's Medill School of Journalism, sheds a unique light on the criminal legal system. Her work with innocence centers and wrongful convictions is a beacon of hope. This is an incredible episode, especially for those who desire a career in righting wrongful convictions and furthering restorative justice without pursuing a degree in law. Enjoy!

What if the worst thing a child has ever done… isn't who they are? In this episode of Education Monsters, we sit down with Nicholas, founder of the National Center for Restorative Justice. Nichols is an educator, former Coast Guard member and lifelong advocate for meaningful change in our schools. Based in Seattle, Nicholas brings up topics around discipline, compassion, empathy, parenthood and lived experience to a conversation that challenges how we think about mistakes, punishment and sanctions. Nicholas believes that being human means messing up. A lot. And instead of shaming, labeling or punishing kids into silence or meaningless chores, we should be teaching something far more valuable: repair. What does it mean to take accountability, even when our intentions weren't malicious? How do we remove the taboo around making mistakes? What if lighting a trash can on fire became a moment to teach about responsibility and the real dangers of fire, rather than just handing down punishment that teaches nothing? We explore how restorative justice invites dialogue and reflection instead of fear-based consequences. We talk about why second chances matter. Why conflict resolution is a lifelong skill. And why kids need space to practice saying a strong, confident, “No. I don't want you to touch me that way.” Learning to defend your boundaries in childhood doesn't just protect you from bullying, it prepares you to refuse toxic relationships, unpaid overtime at work and other emotional/physical abuses in adulthood. This episode challenges us to rethink blind obedience and outdated educational models. Nicholas reminds us that we are not defined by the worst thing we've ever done. We are complex and capable of growth. As parents, educators, teachers and community members, we have the power to reposition ourselves and our systems toward accountability, compassion and learning. If you care about raising confident and responsible humans, this conversation will stay with you long after it ends. Here's the website: https://www.nationalcenterforrestorativejustice.com/

In this episode, Drs. Neda and Neda invite Alyson Carrel, Clinical Professor of Law at Northwestern Pritzker School of Law and Codirector of its nationally-ranked Center on Negotiation, Mediation, and Restorative Justice, to continue discussion on negotiation strategies as one's career evolves. Listen as Professor Carrel shares tips for physicians on conflict resolution, negotiation of partnership contracts, and more.

A Nelson organisation is marking 25 years of helping thousands of victims of crime by giving them the opportunity to express their feelings, while encouraging criminals to acknowledge the harm they have caused. People who have benefited from the process will speak at a Restorative Justice Nelson event tomorrow night, where they will share their experience losing loved ones and offering forgiveness. Samantha Gee reports.

Darryl Gardiner grew up in a home ruled by unimaginable violence... and it almost destroyed him. Witnessing and experiencing abuse from a terrifyingly young age, he followed the same path, becoming a violent man himself. But Darryl broke the cycle. Now a father, clinician, and founder of programs helping men and women escape abuse, Darryl shares a raw, unflinching story of accountability, redemption, and what it truly takes to stop the cycle of violence. Find out more about Rolling With The Punches at www.rollingwiththepunches.com.au CREDITS Guest: Darryl Gardiner Host: Gemma Bath Senior Producer: Tahli Blackman Group Executive Producer: Ilaria Brophy Audio Engineer: Jacob Round GET IN TOUCH Follow us on Instagram and TikTok @truecrimeconversations Make sure to leave us a rating and review on Apple & Spotify to let us know how you're liking the episodes. Want us to cover a case on the podcast? Email us at truecrime@mamamia.com.au or send us a voice note. If any of the contents in this episode have caused distress, know that there is help available via Lifeline on 13 11 14 or Beyond Blue on 1300 22 4636. We acknowledge the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In this episode of the Phoenix Cast's series on restorative justice, Megan speaks with Netty Rodriguez Arauz and Elise Krumholz, founding members of MSU Denver's Restorative Justice Coalition. We discuss the work with youth Netty and Elise did that inspired their passion for RJ, the origins of the MSU RJ Coalition, and how they envision RJ can be used to transform the ways we address harm both on campus and on larger community scales.Check out the Coalition's website for more information about their mission and how to get involved: https://www.msudenver.edu/dean-of-students/student-conflict-resolution-services/restorative-justice-coalition/If you are in crisis and need immediate support, please call our 24/7 interpersonal violence helpline at 303-556-2255.Request an Appointment with an Advocate athttps://www.thepca.org/online-appointment-requestRequest a Violence Prevention Presentation at https://www.thepca.org/prevention-educationInstagram @phoenixauraria

Megan talks with Larry Jefferson, Lucy Prout, and Jamelah Zidan from Restorative Approaches to Intimate Violence (RAIV), a community-based nonprofit organization dedicated to addressing interpersonal violence through restorative practices. They discuss what brought them all to doing restorative justice work to address interpersonal violence, how restorative justice provides options for holistic, person-centered responses to harm outside of the criminal legal system, and how RJ as a social movement offers a path toward a world that embodies community, dignity, and liberation.Connect with RAIV (including information on opportunities to join as a community member or circle keeper) through their website and their LinkedInTexts referenced in this episode:Undoing the First Harm: Settlers in Restorative Justice by Edward C ValandraUntil We Reckon by Danielle SeredThe Little Book of Race and Restorative Justice by Fania E. DavisIf you are in crisis and need immediate support, please call our 24/7 interpersonal violence helpline at 303-556-2255.Request an Appointment with an Advocate athttps://www.thepca.org/online-appointment-requestRequest a Violence Prevention Presentation at https://www.thepca.org/prevention-educationInstagram @phoenixauraria

Send us a textSome remarkable people walk among us. One of them is sujatha baliga (spelling her name without capitalization), who greets people with "warm hellos." sujatha is a leader in restorative justice, a practitioner of mindfulness, and a self-described (at least at one point) survivor of childhood sexual abuse by her father. Fairfax criminal lawyer Jonathan Katz first learned about sujatha several years ago through her combination of being a lawyer involved with mindfulness and restorative justice. As sujatha explains, with restorative justice, the focus is not on what law was broken, but who was harmed, what the harmed person needs, and who has the obligation to meet those needs. For instance, here sujatha movingly talks about an impasse broken when the subject of a car theft and attendant $4000 loss learned that the person who caused the theft was an artist, and she agreed to resolve the matter by his creating a Tinkerbell image for her. Jon thanks his longtime friend and fellow criminal defense lawyer Christopher Flohr for suggesting asking sujatha about the effectiveness of restorative justice when sex offenses are alleged. The story sujatha tells of the transformation of a sexual assault victim participating in an intensive restorative justice proceeding, ultimately hugging her alleged assailant, is even more remarkable than the above Tinkerbell story. sujatha's transformation away from anger is remarkable after her father sexually abused her as a child, and after she was beaten up in school when the only student of color in a small community. At one point, sujatha wanted to be a prosecutor, but her time in India and ultimate first meeting with the Dalai Lama transformed her to the path of being a public defender lawyer. (Listen to how she would effectively cross examine a child accuser in criminal court.)You can meet and learn from sujatha at her in-person Spiritual Fitness program starting April 11-12, 2026. in Richmond, California. On various Monday evenings, she leads meditation gatherings. Stay tuned for sujatha's first book due for publication this year,  Angry Long Enough, by One World/Penguin Random House. This episode is also available on YouTube. This podcast with Fairfax, Virginia criminal / DUI lawyer Jon Katz is playable on all devices at podcast.BeatTheProsecution.com. For more information, visit https://KatzJustice.com or contact us at info@KatzJustice.com, 703-383-1100 (calling), or 571-406-7268 (text). If you like what you hear on our Beat the Prosecution podcast, please take a moment to post a review at our Apple podcasts page (with stars only, or else also with a comment) at https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beat-the-prosecution/id1721413675

On the first episode of the Phoenix Cast's series on restorative justice (RJ), Megan and Racheal discuss what RJ is and how it can be used not just to respond to interpersonal violence on college campuses, but how it can transform the entire campus culture. They discuss the insights they gained from The Little Book of Restorative Justice for Campus Sexual Harms by Mikayla McCray and Rachel Roth Sawatzky, their thoughts on punitive systems like the criminal legal system and Title IX, and the benefits of using RJ to address conduct violations, including sexual misconduct. For more information about restorative justice, check out the National Center on Restorative Justice's website: https://ncorj.org/what-is-restorative-justice/If you are in crisis and need immediate support, please call our 24/7 interpersonal violence helpline at 303-556-2255.Request an Appointment with an Advocate athttps://www.thepca.org/online-appointment-requestRequest a Violence Prevention Presentation at https://www.thepca.org/prevention-educationInstagram @phoenixauraria

Send us a textmultidisciplinary artist/visual journalist/filmmaker/education worker Bayeté Ross SmithShow Notes:2:00 Bayeté Ross Smith's background, work and collaboration7:00 relevance of colonialism in transnational issues 9:50 collective brain trust/collective culture14:30 employing technology with storytelling20:30 creatives' protection of their metadata24:40 “art” and “data” as information 27:50 “human authorship” and copyright 34:25 bias proliferation with AI39:40 power of art and media to raise awareness 44:50 “restorative justice” to mitigate and deter harm so individuals can flourish54:00 current and future projects, including Got the Power Boomboxes: Sugar Cane and Cotton, Hip Hop 50 Boombox, video game project and collaboration with legal communityPlease share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.comMusic by Toulme.To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website.To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com. Thanks so much for listening! This podcast and its content may not be used for training or developing AI systems without permission. © Stephanie Drawdy [2025]

What if discipline wasn't something we do to students, but a skill we help them build? We sit down with Nicholas Bradford, founder of the National Center for Restorative Justice, to unpack how mindfulness and restorative practices turn everyday conflicts into opportunities for growth, dignity, and repair. Visit his website: National Center For Restorative JusticeFrom pre-K name calling to serious incidents that rock a school community, we break down a concrete sequence for accountability without shaming kids or abandoning boundaries.We begin by reframing conflict as the gap between expectation and reality—a lens that invites mindfulness into the heat of the moment. Nicholas explains why staying longer with “what happened?” helps students recognize impact, and how “what were you trying to accomplish?” reveals legitimate needs that can be validated without excusing harm. Then we move to “who was impacted and how?” to build empathy, status, and ownership. For significant harms, we explore active, meaningful repair—community work, mentoring, and contributions that let students rebuild trust and rewrite their self-story from problem to participant.Skeptical about restorative justice? Nicholas shows why experience beats data. He walks through reentry circles for suspended or expelled students—spaces where youth share what they did, how they're thinking differently, and what amends they're committed to. Parents, teachers, and peers often leave transformed, seeing justice as public love: truth, boundaries, and compassion working together. We also talk implementation: why adults go first, how leaders model circles with staff, and what training pathways—three-day intensives, facilitation add-ons, and graduate-credit courses—help teams build durable systems.If you care about school culture, educator wellbeing, youth agency, and practical tools that work under pressure, this conversation offers clear language and steps you can use tomorrow. Listen, share with a colleague, and tell us: where do expectations get in your way, and what repair would move your community forward? Subscribe, leave a review, and pass it on to someone who needs a more human way to handle conflict.Support the showAdd your 5‑star review — this really helps others find us. Certify To Teach Mindfulness: Certify.MindfulnessExercises.com Email: Sean@MindfulnessExercises.comAbout the Podcast Mindfulness Exercises with Sean Fargo is a practical, grounded mindfulness podcast for people who want meditation to actually help in real life. Hosted by Sean Fargo — a former Buddhist monk, mindfulness teacher, and founder of MindfulnessExercises.com — this podcast explores how mindfulness can support mental health, emotional regulation, trauma sensitivity, chronic pain, leadership, creativity, and meaningful work. Each episode offers a mix of: Practical mindfulness and meditation teachings Conversations with respected teachers, clinicians, authors, and researchers Real-world insights for therapists, coaches, yoga teachers, educators, and caregivers Gentle reflections for anyone navigating stress, anxiety, burnout, grief, or change Rather than chasing peak experiences or spiritual bypassing, this podcast emphasizes embodied practice, ethical teaching, and mindfulness that meets people where they are—messy, human, and alive. If you're interested in: Mindfulness meditation for everyday life Trauma-sensitive and co...

A lifelong educator with extensive experience in challenging students inside and outside the classroom, Nicholas Bradford started his restorative justice education in 2009 working in therapeutic settings. Having worked with hundreds of schools and districts, he has built a robust program that delivers a comprehensive Restorative Justice frameworkNicholas and I talk about how he began teaching restorative justice and the successes he's seen in the classroom after providing it, especially in discipline rates. He also gives some good tips on starting a consultancy!For all links and resources mentioned in this episode, head to the show notes: https://www.educatorforever.com/episode168.

In this eye-opening episode, I sit down with Alvin Lui, president of Courage is a Habit, to expose how the American School Counselor Association (ASCA) has systematically embedded DEI and gender ideology into K-12 counseling nationwide. We break down their investigative report that reveals how school counselors have transformed from reactive guidance counselors into proactive "social change agents" who work one-on-one with children—often keeping secrets from parents. Alvin explains the dangerous tactics of "language contamination," where terms like "anti-bullying," "mental health," and "safe spaces" are weaponized to push transgender ideology and critical race theory while silencing dissenting students and parents. This isn't just happening in blue states—it's a systemic problem in all 50 states, funded by mental health grants that parents unknowingly support through their tax dollars. Whether your kids are in public school or you know someone whose children are, this conversation is essential viewing. We discuss warning signs, the indoctrination pipeline, and most importantly, what parents can do right now to protect their children. This is about our kids' futures, and it's time to fight back. CHAPTERS: 00:00 - Introduction: DEI's capture of school counseling 01:30 - Meet Alvin Lui and Courage is a Habit 04:40 - From California to Indiana: education corruption everywhere 07:50 - How school counselors became "social change agents" 11:50 - The 80% mandate and one-on-one access to children 15:00 - Language contamination: using your vocabulary, not your dictionary 18:30 - Anti-bullying policies weaponized for trans ideology 23:00 - ASCA's radical position statements exposed 28:30 - Professional development: Southern Poverty Law Center training 31:00 - Behind Closed Doors: infiltrating ASCA events 34:00 - The mental health Trojan horse 38:30 - Keeping transgender secrets from parents 43:00 - The cycle: SEL → activism → violence → more "mental health" 46:30 - Warning signs and what parents can do NOW 48:00 - The opt-out form every parent needs to file RESOURCES:

In this eye-opening episode, I sit down with Alvin Lui, president of Courage is a Habit, to expose how the American School Counselor Association (ASCA) has systematically embedded DEI and gender ideology into K-12 counseling nationwide. We break down their investigative report that reveals how school counselors have transformed from reactive guidance counselors into proactive "social change agents" who work one-on-one with children—often keeping secrets from parents. Alvin explains the dangerous tactics of "language contamination," where terms like "anti-bullying," "mental health," and "safe spaces" are weaponized to push transgender ideology and critical race theory while silencing dissenting students and parents. This isn't just happening in blue states—it's a systemic problem in all 50 states, funded by mental health grants that parents unknowingly support through their tax dollars. Whether your kids are in public school or you know someone whose children are, this conversation is essential viewing. We discuss warning signs, the indoctrination pipeline, and most importantly, what parents can do right now to protect their children. This is about our kids' futures, and it's time to fight back. CHAPTERS: 00:00 - Introduction: DEI's capture of school counseling 01:30 - Meet Alvin Lui and Courage is a Habit 04:40 - From California to Indiana: education corruption everywhere 07:50 - How school counselors became "social change agents" 11:50 - The 80% mandate and one-on-one access to children 15:00 - Language contamination: using your vocabulary, not your dictionary 18:30 - Anti-bullying policies weaponized for trans ideology 23:00 - ASCA's radical position statements exposed 28:30 - Professional development: Southern Poverty Law Center training 31:00 - Behind Closed Doors: infiltrating ASCA events 34:00 - The mental health Trojan horse 38:30 - Keeping transgender secrets from parents 43:00 - The cycle: SEL → activism → violence → more "mental health" 46:30 - Warning signs and what parents can do NOW 48:00 - The opt-out form every parent needs to file RESOURCES:

In this episode of AML Conversations, host John Byrne sits down with Dr. Gabriel Velez, associate professor at Marquette University and author of Making Meaning of Justice and Peace: A Developmental Lens. They explore how peace education and restorative practices shape young people's understanding of justice, belonging, and community—both in Colombia and Milwaukee. Dr. Velez shares insights on conceptualizing peace, the challenges of fostering optimism in turbulent times, and practical steps for encouraging youth engagement.

In this episode, Candice Snyder talks with author, survivor, and restorative justice advocate Amanda Carrasco, who shares the remarkable story behind her book Becoming the Brave One. Amanda opens up about the deep trauma she experienced as a child, her long journey toward healing, and the courageous moment she chose to meet face to face with the man who changed her life. Through her vulnerability and honesty, she reveals what it truly means to transform pain into purpose. In this episode, they discuss:How restorative justice gave Amanda a voice and a way to reclaim her powerWhy facing the person who harmed her helped her shift from survivor to advocateThe difference between forgiveness, accountability, and emotional freedomHow trauma lives in the body and what healing can look like over timeWhy victims need real options and support during their journey to justiceThe importance of listening, responsibility, and truth in repairing harmHow Amanda found her purpose through helping others feel seen and understood This episode is a reminder that even in our darkest pain, there is possibility. Healing is not linear, but courage grows when we choose ourselves, choose truth, and choose to keep moving forward! About Amanda:Amanda Carrasco is a family survivor of homicide and sexual assault who uses her experiences to impact the lives of her community and those impacted by the justice system. Restorative Justice is the core of her practice, and she is a certified facilitator through the Restorative Justice Council. She holds four master's degrees from multiple nations: two of those are in law. Her most important title is mom and her happy place is on a surf board. Book-Becoming The Brave One: My Journey to Justicehttps://a.co/d/gSBy4mf Website: https://amandacarrasco.com/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/amanda_the_brave_oneTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@amandacarrasco.comX: https://x.com/Amanda_CarrascoLinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/amanda-carrasco-48b377173-----If you're struggling, consider therapy with our sponsor, BetterHelp.Visit https://betterhelp.com/candicesnyder for a 10% discount on your first month of therapy.*This is a paid promotionIf you are in the United States and in crisis, or any other person may be in danger -Suicide & Crisis Lifeline Dial 988-----Connect with Candice Snyder!Website: https://www.podpage.com/passion-purpose-and-possibilities-1/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/candicebsnyder?_rdrPassion, Purpose, and Possibilities Community Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/passionpurposeandpossibilitiescommunity/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/passionpurposepossibilities/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/candicesnyder/Shop For A Cause With Gifts That Give Back to Nonprofits: https://thekindnesscause.com/Fall In Love With Artists And Experience Joy And Calm: https://www.youtube.com/@movenartrelaxationClick this link to receive your FREE TRIAL to The Greenhouse Communityhttps://www.thegreenhousecommunity.com/checkout/the-greenhouse-membership?affiliate_code=11e889

Content Warning: rape, self-harm, and suicidal ideation. Marlee Liss is a survivor,award-winning speaker, victim advocate, somatic educator, and author from Toronto, Canada. She grew up in the arts, but pivoted to social work when she began her college career. It was in Marlee's junior year when her life changed forever; she became the victim of a sexual assault and entered an arduous journey in the criminal justice system as a result. However, three years into that battle for justice, Marlee found an additional path: restorative justice. According to Walden University, quote “Punitive justice is the idea of punishing criminals for their crimes against society or the legal system itself, and is the traditional method of handling crime in the United States. Restorative justice seeks to bring victims of crimes into the justice process. Criminals are asked to take accountability for their wrongdoing by facing those they have wronged... The theory is that criminals owe more than a debt to society—they owe a debt to specific people,” end quote. The two processes are not always mutually exclusive. It's important to note that criminal justice can occur tandemly with restorative justice practices. The Broken Cycle Media team is so very grateful for Marlee's powerful perspective advocacy and time and energy in sharing in this episode. Resources: Survivors for Justice Reform: https://www.survivors4justicereform.com/ Dr. Alissa Ackerman: https://www.alissaackerman.com/ Marlee's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/marleeliss/ Marlee's TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@marleeliss Survivors for Justice Reform on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/survivors4justicereform/ National Association of Community and Restorative Justice: https://www.nacrj.org/ NACRJ Restorative Justice Map: https://members.nacrj.org/rj-map/FindStartsWith?term=%23%21 Sources: Statistics: The Criminal Justice System - Rainn, rainn.org/facts-statistics-the-scope-of-the-problem/statistics-the-criminal-justice-system/ “What Is Restorative Justice?” Walden University, www.waldenu.edu/programs/criminal-justice/resource/what-Is-restorative-justice. Thank you again to Scamfluencers and Lola Blankets for sponsoring this episode. Don't forget, listen to Scamfluencers now, wherever you get your podcasts. And for a limited time, our listeners are getting a huge 40% off their entire order lolablankets.com by using the code WCN at checkout. After you purchase, they'll ask you where you heard about them. Please support our show and tell them What Came Next sent you.

Rachel and Van start the show by remembering the late legend D'Angelo and the issue concerning the health of black men in America. Then, they are joined by Isaac Bryan, member of the California State Assembly, to talk about assaults on reparations and restorative justice and his relationship with Governor Gavin Newsom. Later, they take a peek into the latest Stephen A. Smith drama and the reactions to his comments on Representative Jasmine Crockett. 00:00 - Welcome! 03:23 - Thoughts about the Gavin Newsom interview 14:42 - Remembering D'Angelo 36:51 - The Supreme Court and the Voting Rights Act 50:46 - Young Republicans' secret Telegram chat leaked 57:56 - Isaac Bryan joins us! 1:28:24 - Stephen A. and his comments on Rep. Jasmine Crockett 1:46:27 - Thanks for watching! Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Guest: Isaac Bryan Producers: Donnie Beacham and Ashleigh Smith Video Supervision: Chris Thomas Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Investigative journalists Mandy Matney and Liz Farrell are joined by Luna Shark Producer (and Mandy's husband) the extraordinary David Moses — who is filling in for Eric Bland this week. First up on the show, Mandy, Liz and David talk about what it was like for them watching the trailer for “Murdaugh: Death In the Family” for the first time and the profound emotional impact it had on them. Mandy, Liz and David talk about the journey of covering the Murdaugh case for the past nearly seven years and how the Hulu series — which is inspired by the Murdaugh Murders Podcast and the real-life events surrounding the case. “Murdaugh: Death in the Family,” starring Patricia Arquette, Jason Clarke, Brittany Snow, and Alicia Kelley premieres Oct. 15 on Hulu and Hulu on Disney+. Also on today's show, Alex Murdaugh's mission to get a new trial now includes evidence that Team Murdaugh still doesn't know how to craft a narrative of Alex's so-called innocence.  The state's filing laid out Alex's guilt beat for beat and in a way that essentially created a trap for Dick Harpootlian and Jim Griffin, who were now forced to reply with a rebuttal to the “Alex is the murderer” argument.  ☕ Cups Up! ⚖️ Episode References “Disney+ and Hulu are offering fans new companion video podcasts for favorite shows” - ABC7, Sept 6, 2025