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Madman Mike & Robby T with another offseason filler episode before training camp. Mike pulls out some major stats to prove that Miami Dolphins QB Tua was a better passer than Ravens Lamar Jackson in 2021. IS Lamar as good as national media portrays him to be? Chargers Justin Herbert has some nice numbers, but Rob & Mike explain why he is NOT a Top 3 QB.

Mike Maynard, Managing Director and CEO, Napier Group (Chichester, England) Mike Maynard is Managing Director and CEO at Napier Group, an agency focused on marketing technical products to technical audiences. Clients include major companies selling semiconductors, industrial automation systems, cellular communications infrastructure, complex software, and even a baggage-handling system manufacturer. The customer “audience” for these products is “super-targeted, super technical, and . . . demanding.” A disillusioned engineer who loved talking tech, Mike stopped designing products and re-engineered himself as a tech salesman. In 2008, he bought out the tech-focused marketing agency his company had been using – two weeks before the dot com crash. With ALL of his money invested in the agency, Mike had no choice but to make the venture succeed. Today, the agency is a mix of geeks – engineers or technical journalists who understand the technology – and marketing experts. Based in Chichester, England, the agency works with a good number of American companies to target their American customers . . . and is in the process of adding a U.S. office. Some of Napier's clients have products with fairly quick purchase/sales cycles. Others, such as the airport baggage handling system manufacturer, may have cycles ranging from seven to twenty years. When the sales cycle is long, a client is not “trying to think about closing a sale all the time.” Multi-year sales cycles require marketing to build relationships and rapport. The objective is to keep the product long-term on the minds of “future” customers by helping them stay apprised of industry trends and leading-edge developments. Mike explains that, when a product is technical, “people shortlist a very small number of suppliers.” While the customer journey for a consumer product is usually short and straightforward, marketing technical products takes a “very long time,” “involves different stages of research,” and “requires “very different information.” Mike says you have to understand your customers, what they need, and the information they need; “take this really complicated thing and then narrow it down to clear reasons why somebody should consider the product;” “keep talking to the client over a long period of time because of the long sales cycle”; and make their decision and customer journey as easy as possible. In this interview, Mike discusses TURTL, an in-Beta, analytics-rich, flipbook style content platform that tracks audience engagement – whether a document is opened, how long a reader looks at it, and how far through the information the reader gets – which allows document owners to optimize their content, enrich relevant and eliminate irrelevant information, and customize the material to the needs of individual prospects.  Instead of following “vanity metrics” (click-through rates, numbers of clicks), TURTL helps answer the questions, “What does your audience care about? What do you need to give them more of? What do you need to stop talking about? How can you optimize your campaigns?” Mike says, “It's a phenomenal superpower,” being able to “learn from the behavior of your audience” particularly when you've got the long, complex documents typical in tech industries. Mike can be reached at his agency's website: napierb2b.com, on LinkedIn (Mike Maynard at Napier), or by email at: mike@napierb2b.com. ROB: Welcome to the Marketing Agency Leadership Podcast. I'm your host, Rob Kischuk, and I am joined today by Mike Maynard, Managing Director and CEO at Napier Group based in Chichester, England. Welcome to the podcast, Mike. MIKE: Thanks for having me on the podcast, Rob. Appreciate it. ROB: Excellent to have you here. Why don't you start us off with an introduction to Napier Group? What is the firm's expertise? MIKE: Basically, what the firm does is we get geeks and techies excited. Our business is helping people market in the B2B technology space. It's all about selling technical products to a technical audience that's making a technical decision. ROB: Got it. How technical are we talking here? Is it gadgets, is it software, or is it heavy-duty engineer cloud platform kind of software developer stuff? MIKE: It's pretty geeky stuff, Rob. To give you an idea of some of our clients, we work with one of the leading semiconductor companies in the world. We work with companies that sell industrial automation systems. We work with people selling cellular communications infrastructure. We even work with the world's largest manufacturer of baggage handling systems. ROB: It sounds like these are not Super Bowl ads, right? This sounds like pretty targeted audiences. MIKE: These are super-targeted, super technical, and generally speaking pretty demanding audiences, yeah. It's definitely not Super Bowl ads. ROB: It seems like whether you're talking about semiconductors, whether you're talking about communications, this is pretty technical stuff. I'm imagining you're largely a firm of marketers; how do you equip your team to be prepared to speak this language? Are they reformed geeks, or what is the secret here? MIKE: I'm not sure I'm reformed, but I certainly am a geek. I started my career as an electronics engineer and spent years in design and then in technical support for semiconductor companies. So I'm certainly very technical. And actually, just over half the agency is very technical, typically coming from either an engineering or a technical journalism background. So how do we equip people? The answer is we mix together people who understand the technology with people who are really good at marketing, and that's how we get the results. ROB: Got it. I am also a computer engineer by education, but now wear all the hats, much as you do in some seasons, I am sure. How, then, do you think about how to reach the audience, where to reach the audience? How do you find these very specific buyers? And these also sound like probably longer purchase cycles while we're at it. MIKE: Yeah, two very insightful questions, Rob. Talking about the purchase cycles, we do have a range of purchase cycles. With some of our clients' products, we can actually get fairly quick turnarounds, and indeed, a couple of our clients actually sell online, so they will be able to sell particularly things like development kits (the things to start a development process going) online fairly quickly, although there'll then be a development cycle involved for the engineers. But if you look at, for example, selling a baggage handling system into an airport, if you want to sell a baggage handling system, someone's really got to be building an airport terminal to buy a baggage handling system. They need somewhere to put it. Actually, you look at those sales cycles, the fastest turnaround they can get is typically about 7 years, and the sales cycle goes up to 20 years for these systems. It really is a case of not trying to think about closing a sale all the time. With a multi-year sales cycle, that's ridiculous. It's about building that relationship, that rapport through marketing, and basically staying top-of-mind, staying the product that the customers want to choose. ROB: How do you stay top-of-mind for seven years? MIKE: The answer is you have to do interesting stuff. It's really simple. In all our industries, if you look at it, there are people buying who are making very technical decisions over a long sales cycle. What these guys and girls want to do is understand what's going on in the market, because they may go for a long period of time without making any specific purchasing decision. If you could be helping them, educating them, telling them about the trends, and hopefully introducing developments that actually are leading the industry, then you're going to get them engaged. It's about presenting that kind of information in a compelling way that really gets the techies excited. It's about helping them as well as marketing to them. ROB: I'd imagine at least you have plenty of time to pull together a case study. It's not a quick turnaround, necessarily. MIKE: The problem is everybody wants case studies, and case studies are notoriously difficult to get done. We're forever trying to get case studies. Actually, the case studies are one of the fastest things that happen because typically they happen once a sale is completed and you've had a product, for example, go into production. Then you can turn around the case study really quickly. So you wait for it for a really long time – it's like being a kid waiting for Christmas. You think it's forever till it's going to happen. You know that the client's got this amazing project they're working on, and then finally you get the opportunity, and suddenly Christmas is there and it's amazing, and you get a fantastic case study. ROB: Yeah, that sounds like Christmas all over again. If we rewind the clock a little bit, what led you into this business? How did this whole thing get started? MIKE: It's a very unplanned story. I used to be an engineer, and I was designing electronic systems. I designed everything from systems that could engrave printing rollers using big industrial lasers through to recording for music studios. Then I decided I wasn't very good at the engineering part. I actually quite liked talking about the technology, so I went into technical sales. In the UK at the time, you used to get a company car, a car provided by the company, if you were in marketing. I kind of liked the idea of moving into marketing because my car was getting old, so I moved into marketing because of that and spent a few years in marketing, running European marketing for a semiconductor company. Then I went on a course. It was a residential management course, and there were a few glasses of wine on the last night, and we got into talking about what people's ambitions were. Someone said to me, “You should run your own business, Mike.” I think they were really polite and they were saying, “Oh, my God, I would hate to be your manager, Mike,” but they presented it in this lovely way of . . . “You should run your own business.” About two months later, my main contact at the agency I was using said, “The two founders are looking to retire and sell the business, and I think you should buy it.” I thought, how hard can it be to run an agency? I've done marketing. An agency's got to be basically the same as being on the client side. Let's just try it. And then I learnt. ROB: Purchasing a business can take on a few different forms. What did the purchase process and structure look like for you? I imagine there's enough distance between here and there that you can probably talk a little bit about it. MIKE: The approach actually was really simple. There were some technical issues; obviously, companies structure very differently. In the UK, you can have a partnership or you can have a limited liability company or you can have a listed company. At the time, the current company was a partnership. I basically bought the assets, put it into a limited liability company because I had no money, and certainly after the purchase, I had no money. I never really added up how much debt I'd run up because I think I would've never done it if I'd realized that. But it was a relatively straightforward process. Frankly, buying businesses is nowhere near as difficult as it sounds. But I do have one great bit of advice for buying businesses. If you're going to buy an agency that is 100% focused on technology clients, buying that agency about two weeks before the dot-com crash is a really, really bad idea. That's my advice to anyone: get your timing right. That's probably a bigger challenge than actually the whole process of buying a business. ROB: Yes, timing would seem to matter a great deal there. But perhaps then also part of going through that season has probably helped along the way. How did you make it through the downturn, the dot-com crash? That's certainly a baptism by fire, if you will, into the privileges of business ownership. MIKE: That's a great question. I think making it through was not really the problem, because I'd taken all the money I had, I put it into the business – there was no option. I had to make it succeed. I think a lot of agency owners will relate to this with COVID and typically having to leave the office, work from home – you get through that. I think the biggest problem is how that impacts you in the longer term. For me, after buying the agency, it really made me overly cautious. We were always wanting to have cash in the bank. We always wanted to be safe. We wanted to have runway. We didn't go out and invest as much as we should. We didn't actually take advantage of the cycles when there were upcycles. It really had a long-term impact on me. Agency owners who've been through COVID, a lot of agency owners have really struggled; the one thing I'd say is these exceptional situations are exceptional. And yes, there'll be problems. There'll be bumps on the road. It won't be an easy route. But I think as we come out of this horrible pandemic, we've got to look back to building our confidence as agency owners and being prepared to go back to taking the risks you were taking before the pandemic. ROB: How did that experience, and maybe the learning from that dot-com crash, affect your reaction to however much 2008 impacted you, and then what sort of footing were you on heading into COVID? You saw it. You clearly saw, “Here we go again”; how did your mind and your attitude react differently in that case? MIKE: That's a great question because I think the two are very different. 2008 obviously had a big impact on us, again, being a technology agency with a big tech downturn. But we were still running the business very conservatively. We were still, in my opinion, being a little bit overly cautious. We had cash, we were safe, we got through the downturn, and it was okay. By the time we get to the pandemic and COVID, we changed our philosophy. We were investing more. We're still running the business with cash in the bank rather than running it on an overdraft, so to some extent keeping safe. But honestly, for us – and we were lucky in the business we're in. There are other agencies that have been hit far harder. For us, we came through COVID and it was like, actually, the impact to the business was pretty small. I mean, yes, we had to move everybody, make them remote, we had to do that in virtually no time, we had to deal with communications issues. We had all these problems. But basically, the money kept coming in, and that was great. Some of the clients cut back, but nobody really pulled out. It was actually so much easier having been through financially what were far worse downturns. ROB: Yeah. Some of these products you're talking about – I think any marketer, any client, any seller, any buyer is expecting the entire conversation to last longer than any downturn, so I can see how that makes sense. I am curious as I think about it – most of what you're talking about, these things sound like they are more sold than bought, if you will. They're things where, as a marketer, you're not just trying to get somebody to check out and buy a bunch of things to outfit all their cellphone towers for their entire country network buildout. In some ways you're equipping and supporting a salesforce, I would imagine. So. what are the channels that you're reaching, and how do you come alongside when the actual purchase is probably with a human and maybe an RFP and a whole bunch of other things? MIKE: That's a great question. If you look at the research with these highly involved decisions – and I know LinkedIn has published something recently about financial purchases – actually, people shortlist a very small number of suppliers. Typically a couple of suppliers. What you have to do is really understand the customer journey. People talk about the customer journey, and you can look at a customer journey for a consumer product; it's very short, and it's probably not that involved. A customer journey for the kind of products we're taking, it takes a very long time. It involves different stages of research. They need very different content, very different information. It's about really getting into the head of those customers, understanding what they're doing, understanding what they're going through, what they need, and then delivering the right information. I can't change our clients' products, and I can't make our client always have the best product in the world. But what I can do is present the product in the best light, and I can make it as easy as possible for the customer to choose our client's product. A lot of it is about removing these roadblocks that make it difficult to choose and just making that journey as smooth as possible. ROB: It's such an interesting journey along that way. You did mention, as we were getting you lined up to be on the podcast, you're going to be at the B2B Expo in Los Angeles at the start of April. How does that fit into your mix of operating the firm? And that's a little bit of a journey for you. MIKE: Because we're in technology, most of our clients are American, or certainly most of our revenue comes from clients that are ultimately headquartered in the States. Silicon Valley is a big area for us, but also we have some industrial technology companies we work with who are based in the States. So, we've always got a lot of our business from the States. At the moment, we're looking for creative things to do. We've recently signed a partnership with a content platform called TURTL. We're looking to promote that as well, both in Europe and in the U.S. And then lastly – and this is news that very few people know outside of the company – we actually have someone who's moving out to the States in the next week or two to begin opening a presence in the U.S. We're already working for American companies to target some of their American customers, and now we're building that out. That's the next stage. All of these things came together, along, frankly, with a 50% grant from the UK government to go to the show. So it made a lot of sense to go and see if it works. It's very much an experiment for us. It could be a complete disaster, but I think like every marketing tactic, if you don't try it, how do you know whether it works? ROB: Sure. That's actually a topic that's been very near and dear to us as well. When you talk about these conferences, the decision of how much to experiment versus how much to commit – when you come to thinking about going to a conference like that, how do you think about what an experiment looks like versus a strong conviction that it's the right place? What do those different investments look like? MIKE: That's a great question. I think you look firstly at the cost in terms of money, and then secondly at the cost in terms of time. For us, we've got a number of clients in the States, and I can combine a meeting with probably three of those clients as well as the event. I can actually get these client meetings that I'd probably want to fly to the States for anyway included. That makes it very much more compelling. There's not much for time cost involved. As I say, we've signed this new technology partnership; we really want to promote that. We think there's a lot of opportunity. The company is UK-based. It's just launching and trying to build in the States. Again, it's perfect timing. You look at everything and you go, “Does my gut feel that the amount I'm investing is a small amount compared to the potential return? Yeah, I need one client from this show and I'm gold.” That's a relatively small investment. If I don't get anybody, it's not the end of the world. I've had some great client meetings, I've learnt a lot about the market, I've been able to go to the States in front of some American clients and some prospects. It almost feels like it's a “can't-lose,” even though we're doing the tradeshow route – which, particularly after COVID, feels a little bit risky. ROB: Right, it's a little bit of an experiment for everyone, but it's definitely a good perspective to think about needing one good client to rationalize the entire endeavor. It sounds like TURTL is strategic to you. Tell a little bit more about what that does. What does it do, how does it work, how does it help you? MIKE: We've recently signed up with the guys. They have a technology to present information in somewhat like a flipbook style. You go online, you read the information, and you can delve down into the topics that interest you. On the face of it, that's kind of like a number of other technologies, but what TURTL does is provides phenomenal analytics to the marketers. Typically, in our world, it's all PDF. All the datasheets, manuals, instructions, brochures, everything is PDF. You send someone a PDF. Did they open it? I don't know. Did they read the first page? I don't know. Did they get to the end? I don't know. With a TURTL document, you get information on which pages they looked at, how long they looked at it, where they delved down for deeper information. Hopefully the TURTL guys won't mind me saying this – the technology for presentation is good, it's really good, but it's not world-changing. The technology behind the analytics, though, for my clients is amazing because they're producing massive books of information, and they have no idea whether anybody reads some of those pages. Now they know, and that's so powerful. They can optimize the content. And of course, within TURTL, like many of these other platforms, you can customize the content as well. You can work on the pages that people, your audience, care about, and you can also make sure you filter out the ones that are irrelevant to each prospect. To me – and maybe this is more of a trend than just about TURTL – we've gone away from analytics being, “What's your click-through rate? How many clicks did you get?” Everyone has realized that's kind of vanity metrics, and now I think analytics are “What does your audience care about? What do you need to give them more of? What do you need to stop talking about? How can you optimize your campaigns?” That's something that, to me, TURTL will give our clients, and it's a phenomenal superpower. ROB: It reminds me a little bit of DocSend, but for a different industry. Do you know DocSend? MIKE: Yeah, DocSend. ROB: I googled them again just to make sure I wasn't crazy, and they're all about investors and investing and those pitch decks that you send to investors. But it's the same need and the same problem. It helps me picture – the displaying of the document, that's table stakes. It's necessary. It's what the product has to do. You can't do anything if you don't do that. But it's the insights it can give you that really – you know where you're wasting your time, where you're not. There's a lot going on there, what content is communicating and maybe what isn't. Or even with client needs, right? MIKE: Absolutely. It lets you really understand what matters to the audience. You could do that on an individual level and that's kind of cool, but it's that aggregate level. We produced a general TURTL document from one of our previous PDFs, did a little bit of promotion over email, and 70% of people flipped all the way to the end. We were like, 70% going to the end? I wouldn't have bet that on PDF. And okay, some of it is a new format, some of it is exciting. Then we look at it and it's like, page seven – nobody liked that. Why do we talk about this stuff? Nobody cares. The next thing we're going to do is take out page seven, and suddenly that document becomes even more engaging to the audience. So, you can really learn from the behavior of your audience, and that to me is really powerful, particularly when you've got long and complex documents, which a lot of our clients have. ROB: Mike, we talked a little bit about the past of the firm, but as you reflect – we've already shared some lessons, but what are some of the key lessons you feel like you have learned in building and operating the business and things you might suggest to yourself to do a little bit differently if you had the chance to go back and tell yourself? MIKE: Wow, that's a great question. I think looking back – I actually talked with one of my other directors, who has been with me for the whole journey, from buying the agency all the way through to today, and we said we lacked confidence. Quite often, if you don't come from an agency background, you're not used to what agencies do at different sizes. You think big agencies are some sort of unbelievable, amazing organization that you can't touch. To me, we lacked confidence to go pitch for some of the big businesses. When we look at where we do our best job, where we deliver the best value, actually a lot of the time that's with our biggest clients. Not with the small companies, but with the really biggest clients. So, I think it's about being confident in your offering and what you're doing and really being prepared to put yourself out there. ROB: I can almost see once you have that confidence, you think about “who is not your customer” more clearly, but also probably it creates an interesting perspective on what industries you see emerging and who would be a good customer. What have you seen coming to market that you would not have predicted, but you look at it and say “Hey, that's actually a great prospect for us”? What types of things have surprised you? MIKE: That's really interesting. I think certainly the comment about being prepared to be clear about who's not your customer is really important. We've turned down quite a few clients – probably more clients than we've actually pitched, over the last six months. In terms of the markets that are interesting, I think actually if you look at your business, what you need to do as an agency owner is see what you're good at and then see what's one step away. As you want to grow and expand out, you need to look at where you are one step away. A lot of what we do is around quite complex software, so we're really good at helping software companies sell a complex product. There are lots of areas in business where software is really taking over, whether that be in terms of advertising technology or whether it's in terms of purchasing or whether it's in terms of understanding maintenance in a plant. All of those are a slightly step away from what we were doing originally, but actually we're really good at that stuff because we understand how to take this really complicated thing and then narrow it down to clear reasons why somebody should consider the product, and then keep talking to that person over a long period of time, because there's a long sales cycle. ROB: In software, do you end up with anything that's a much shorter purchase cycle maybe than some of the complex hardware? Or do you find software with longer implementation cycles, more considered purchases, is a better fit? MIKE: If I'm to be honest – and this comes back to the fact that as you grow your agency, you've got to be confident about where it's not a good fit – if it's more of an impulse buy, it's a very short sales cycle, why do you need us? We're really good at taking this technical information and communicating it over a long period of time. That's what works really well. Why would you get us if it's a software where you just need to run Google Ads and people buy it? So, I think it's probably not the right fit for us. It's not somewhere we'd go, and it's certainly not somewhere we're chasing. We're definitely chasing the complex enterprise kind of software businesses because that's where we're successful. That's where we add value. ROB: There's certainly a buzz phrase circling in the software world of product-led growth. Everybody talks about PLG this and PLG that. Is that not at all relevant to some of these more enterprise solutions? Or are there ways it's creeping its way in that are worth discussing? MIKE: I think in terms of product-led growth, it's difficult. The enterprise software companies are trying to be more agile. They're trying to look more like almost the prosumer-type companies. But it is a different sale, because what you're doing is selling something that's going to handle a very large proportion of activities. It's a very complex project. It's got a lot of different processes inside it. If I'm the enterprise buying that, I kind of want to know that if it works today, it's going to work tomorrow and it's going to keep going. Stability is actually a real benefit. So, I think we are going to see the software engineering market fragment, and there's definitely the less involved purchases in software that are fantastic. You look at it in marketing, it could be anything from tools to create banner ads to some of the tools to view websites on different platforms. They're actually quite low engagement processes, and there's relatively low switching costs. They don't matter. I think there'll always be software like that, and that's great because you get very fast innovation. You get new players in the market. At the other end, you've got something like a marketing automation platform, and there, it's not the platform that's complicated; it's the data and getting your CRM data, getting things synced up, getting history, being able to get things to work based upon behavior. And honestly, if you buy a marketing automation system and it looks completely different in a year's time, that's a huge risk for anybody. So, I think different things need different approaches, and we're definitely into the complex product where a certain degree of stability is absolutely important. It's vital for the customer. ROB: Certainly makes sense. Mike, when people want to find and connect with you and Napier Group, where should they go to find you? MIKE: We've obviously got a website, napierb2b.com. People can go there. People can go on LinkedIn and find me; I'm Mike Maynard at Napier. I'm the only Mike Maynard at Napier, so that should be fairly easy. But frankly, I just love talking to people, so if anyone wants to email me, I think most agency owners will work out my email address; it's mike@napierb2b.com. Just send me an email. I'd love to hear from you. ROB: That is excellent. Mike, thank you so much for coming on, for sharing your expertise and your experience. We are all better for it, and I wish you the best. MIKE: No problem. Thanks for having me on the podcast, Rob. ROB: Thank you very much. Take care. Thank you for listening. The Marketing Agency Leadership Podcast is presented by Converge. Converge helps digital marketing agencies and brands automate their reporting so they can be more profitable, accurate, and responsive. To learn more about how Converge can automate your marketing reporting, email info@convergehq.com, or visit us on the web at convergehq.com.

Robert Swartz & his brother Mike were still in high school when they were discovered after having recorded a three song demo tape at the Mercey Brothers recording studio in Elmira Ontario. There manager shopped the tape to various record labels & it happened that Quality records was looking for a Canadian version of Kiss. They thought that Rob & Mike's band, Black Wheat fit the bill & signed them to a three album record deal. Along with the deal came a name change to "Lynx". This is a story about a band & their adventures going from high school to playing arenas & then ultimately after the first two albums, touring the bars across Canada. https://www.facebook.com/groups/28147865019

HMOTD is now in reruns! In this episode, released August 23, 2017, Rob & Mike admire the fine dentition and flowing mane of Andy Travis in "The Consultant" and "Love, Exciting And New." All audio clips are the property of their owners/creators and appear in this work of comment and critique under fair use provisions of copyright law. Show Notes: https://www.holdmyorderterribledresser.com/2017/08/show-notes-for-hmotd-044-nice-teeth-and.html

HMOTD is now in reruns! In this episode, released June 28, 2017, Rob & Mike kick off the final season of the podcast with a classic pair of episodes ("An Explosive Affair, Parts 1 and 2) and the return of guest host Lenore MacAdam! Show Notes: https://www.holdmyorderterribledresser.com/2017/06/show-notes-for-hmotd-040-phone-cops.html All audio clips are the property of their owners/creators and appear in this work of comment and critique under fair use provisions of copyright law.

HMOTD is now in reruns! In this episode, released February 8, 2017, Rob & Mike wrap up Season 3 of HMOTD with a podcast as up-and-down mood-wise as Season 3 of WKRP. Show Notes: https://www.holdmyorderterribledresser.com/2017/02/show-notes-for-hmotd-038-sad-in.html All audio clips are the property of their owners/creators and appear in this work of comment and critique under fair use provisions of copyright law.

HMOTD is now in reruns! In this episode, released December 14, 2016, Rob & Mike try to deal with certain recent events by seeking advice in "Ask Jennifer" and getting politically active with Bailey in "I Am Woman." Show Notes: https://www.holdmyorderterribledresser.com/2016/12/show-notes-for-hmotd-034-lady-from.html All audio clips are the property of their owners/creators and appear in this work of comment and critique under fair use provisions of copyright law.

HMOTD is now in reruns! In this episode, released September 7, 2016, Rob & Mike discuss the WKRP episodes "The Airplane Show" and "Jennifer Moves," plus actors' strikes, hamster voices, suburban ghosts and the busting thereof. Show Notes: https://www.holdmyorderterribledresser.com/2016/09/show-notes-for-hmotd-027-all-men-in.html All audio clips are the property of their owners/creators and appear in this work of comment and critique under fair use provisions of copyright law.

Rob & Mike have a fascinating chat with Steph Jeavons about all her adventures, and particularly about her newest book released on September 3rd. One woman’s solo journey to ride all seven continents on two wheelsWelsh girl Steph Jeavons ran away to see the world. She wanted to see the sunset from every angle. She wanted to see an orangutan and a baobab tree. She wanted to become the first person to circumnavigate the globe and ride a motorcycle on all seven continents - and to sing karaoke on the way.Steph’s cravings for escapism manifest themselves in many ways throughout her life. The book begins in her late teens where she finds herself in prison by the age of twenty. She knows there is a whole world beyond that razor wire just calling out to be explored.Twenty years later, and armed only with a stern tone of voice she reserves for naughty dogs, drunk Turks, Iranian taxi drivers, semi-conscious British soldiers and Saudi truckers, she rides her trusty steed Rhonda the Honda solo around the world, to the highest, driest, wettest, hottest and coldest corners of the earth.This is a powerful and honest memoir written from the perspective of a liberated single woman taking on the world with a dogged determination to complete her mission at all costs.Home by Seven is told with honesty and wit and from a unique perspective.Buy her book here: https://amzn.to/3jL74hf

Rob & Mike talk with Ken Condon about the Island Interlude; a two-week tour of the islands of Sardinia, Italy and Corsica, France. Ken is joining the Island Interlude in 2021 as our on-tour riding coach. Ken's training is legendary, and tour members have the option of spending time riding under Ken's expert tutelage.https://www.bmca.com/tours/europe/island-interlude.htmhttps://www.ridinginthezone.com/

In this casual conversation, Rob & Mike get to know Mardelle Peck. An inspiration now in her early seventies, Mardelle began racing in 2012 at 65-years-old. She has proved her mettle by clinching third place in the expert category of motorcycle racing in the Afemme Championship. So what lead her to do this to begin with? Rob & Mike find out. You can watch her story here:https://vimeo.com/221857483And a bit of the behind the scenes can be found here:http://www.jameslovick.co.uk/portfolio/why-not-now

HMOTD is now in reruns! In this episode, released January 20, 2016, Rob & Mike go deep into Herb's psyche with the help of two WKRP episodes: "Herb's Dad" and "Put Up or Shut Up." Show Notes: https://www.holdmyorderterribledresser.com/2016/01/show-notes-for-hmotd-021-huggable-herb.html All audio clips are the property of their owners/creators and appear in this work of comment and critique under fair use provisions of copyright law.

Rob & Mike chat with Dave Darcy of Motorcycle Adventure Dirtbike TV for a general discussion about motorcycle adventure, filming it and living it. A laid back conversational hour long interview that covers some interesting stuff. https://www.youtube.com/user/edog200

HMOTD is now in reruns! In this episode, released December 9, 2015, Rob & Mike talk Max Headroom, the ratings game, pork packing, and a surprising amount of Ira Glass, along with the WKRP episodes "Baby If You Ever Wondered" and "Bailey's Big Break." Show Notes: https://www.holdmyorderterribledresser.com/2015/12/show-notes-for-hmotd-018-we-are.html All audio clips are the property of their owners/creators and appear in this work of comment and critique under fair use provisions of copyright law.

HMOTD is now in reruns! In this episode, released November 25, 2015, Rob & Mike experience the power of radio in "Mike Fright" and meet Carmen Carlson in "Patter of Little Feet." Show Notes: https://www.holdmyorderterribledresser.com/2015/11/show-notes-for-hmotd-017-alone-on-rainy.html All audio clips are the property of their owners/creators and appear in this work of comment and critique under fair use provisions of copyright law.

HMOTD is now in reruns! In this episode, released October 28, 2015, Rob & Mike join the WKRP crew on the diamond for a game of "Baseball," and try to psychoanalyze Les Nessman in "Bad Risk." Show Notes: https://www.holdmyorderterribledresser.com/2015/10/show-notes-for-hmotd-015-dont-hit-it-to.html All audio clips are the property of their owners/creators and appear in this work of comment and critique under fair use provisions of copyright law.

Canadian motorcycle dealer Larry Lage, owner of Excalibur Motorcycle Works, joins Rob & Mike to talk about what's happening in the motorcycle industry. There was a bit of a bad connection here and there but it's worth listening through!

Rob & Mike get dirty with BJ from DC Dirt Camp. DC Dirt Camp is a Motorcycle Safety Foundation (MSF) sponsored and American Motorcyclist Association (AMA) chartered Dirt Bike Training School in Northern Virginia.

Rob & Mike are joined by Ben Machamer to talk about picking the right touring bike if you are inseam challenged. They also talk about a bunch of other stuff.

Karen Salemi joins Rob & Mike to talk about being a solo woman rider, joining a tour alone, and encouraging women to get out there and ride! They also chat about motorcycle size, gear, and much more.

Rob & Mike are joined by their lovely and patient wives, Gretchen & Bonnie, to talk about touring from the passengers perspective. This should be good!

HMOTD is now in reruns! In this episode, released May 13, 2015, Rob & Mike try to solve "The Contest Nobody Could Win" and attempt to survive a "Tornado." Show Notes: https://www.holdmyorderterribledresser.com/2015/05/show-notes-for-hmotd-006-dungarees-vs.html All audio clips are the property of their owners/creators and appear in this work of comment and critique under fair use provisions of copyright law.

HMOTD is now in re-runs! This episode was originally released on April 29, 2015. Rob & Mike discuss the WKRP episodes "Mama's Review" and "A Date With Jennifer" with special guest star Chris Tatro. RERUN: Originally released April 29, 2015. Show Notes: https://www.holdmyorderterribledresser.com/2015/05/show-notes-for-hmotd-005-hot-blooded.html All audio clips are the property of their owners/creators and appear in this work of comment and critique under fair use provisions of copyright law.

HMOTD is now in re-runs! This episode was originally released on April 22, 2015. This is the big one! Rob & Mike go deep into WKRP's most famous episode, "Turkeys Away!" Plus we spare a few minutes for the existential horror of "Love Returns." Show Notes: https://www.holdmyorderterribledresser.com/2015/04/show-notes-for-hmotd-004-i-thought.html All audio clips are the property of their owners/creators and appear in this work of comment and critique under fair use provisions of copyright law.

HMOTD is now in re-runs! This episode was originally released on April 15, 2015. Rob & Mike discuss "Holdup" and "Bailey's Show," plus hijacking, unions, the alleged Bailey-Jennifer "debate," and UFOs. Show Notes: https://www.holdmyorderterribledresser.com/2015/04/show-notes-for-hmotd-003-speed-kills-del.html All audio clips are the property of their owners/creators and appear in this work of comment and critique under fair use provisions of copyright law.

Rob & Mike chat with Ken Condon of Riding in the Zone about best practices to enhance your riding.

A follow up to our celebrated and Award-Winning episode on cell animation, Rob & Mike explore the CGI years of Disney! From tiny lamps to emotionless, dead-in-the-eye CGI lions, they cover it all!  --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/wdawkt/message

Brooklyn Rob & Big Mike welcome onto the show 2019 PBA rookie of the year Mykel Holliman. We also welcome onto to the show Bowlero Elite Series amatuer competitor Gregory Thompson Jr. Great and fun interviews talking about the 2019 PBA season and the upcoming Elite Series show. Rob & Mike also talk about bowling ball company contracts, the Bowlero Elite Series show, and life on tour as a PBA rookie. Don't forget to follow us on social media. @sweeptherack on all platforms

On this episode: - Rob & Mike learn about how putting your kids in risky situations benefits them and how being outside helps make everyone into better people - Is Rob a jerk for teaching kids that a cactus is also known as a "high five plant"? - This week’s bad dad makes a historic second appearance - Who’s the comic of the week?  Listen and find out!   ***SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT!!!*** Stand-Up Dads Podcast will be at the Sacramento Podcast Festival!!!  June 1st at 4:00 PM at Stab! Comedy Theater.  Come witness a live recording with Mike, Rob and, special guest, Jay Wuck!  Details can be found at http://www.sacpodfest.com/   Have comments, suggestions or just want to say, "Hi!"?  Have an embarrassing fact that you want to learn about Mike?  Email us at thestandupdads@gmail.com.  Find us at https://standupdads.podbean.com/ or on facebook @standupdadspod Find Mike's site at https://pencilforhire.myportfolio.com/ Find Big Nick's Gag on This Podcast at https://gagonthis.podbean.com/   Links to the articles mentioned in the show are below: https://1000hoursoutside.com/blog/children-should-be-outside-for-4-6-hours-everyday https://getpocket.com/explore/item/the-overprotected-kid   Thanks for listening!

On this episode: - Rob & Mike go over their Easter traditions… Turns out Rob may have eaten the Easter Bunny. - Drama over childcare in the US. - Our podcast is officially INTERNATIONAL!!!  We want to hear from our listeners from overseas! - This week’s bad dad was so bad he brought his wife along with him to prison. - Mike learns that you don’t have much game when you don’t have a car on this week's DATING MY DAD segment. - Who’s the comic of the week?  Listen and find out!   ***SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT!!!*** Stand-Up Dads Podcast will be at the Sacramento Podcast Festival!!!  June 1st at 4:00 PM at Stab! Comedy Theater.  Come witness a live recording with Mike, Rob and, special guest, Jay Wuck!  Details can be found at http://www.sacpodfest.com/   Have comments, suggestions or just want to say, "Hi!"?  Have an embarrassing fact that you want to learn about Mike?  Email us at thestandupdads@gmail.com.  Find us at https://standupdads.podbean.com/ or on facebook @standupdadspod Find Mike's site at https://pencilforhire.myportfolio.com/ Find Big Nick's Gag on This Podcast at https://gagonthis.podbean.com/   Links to the articles mentioned in the show are below: http://digg.com/video/bunny-suit-brawl https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/babysitter-stabs-mom-arguing-getting-paid-dont-work-free-105237527.html https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2017/01/03/506448993/child-care-scarcity-has-very-real-consequences-for-working-families http://time.com/collection-post/4521548/2016-election-child-care/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/aakashkumar/2018/03/08/how-unreliable-and-costly-childcare-keeps-people-off-the-job/#66fa43425e18 https://abcnews.go.com/US/california-couple-arrested-locking-toddlers-cages-police/story?id=62591859 https://phylogenomics.me/2007/02/08/trip-to-sacramento-zoo-got-interesting-with-mans-head-getting-stuck-in-photo-booth/   Thanks for listening!

Brooklyn Rob & Big Mike welcome PBA rookie Kenny Ryan on the show. We talk about Kenny's bowling past, his college bowling days, and his recent USBC Masters tournament. The guys also do a college bowling national championship preview with Alex Sorge from Witchita State University. Rob & Mike talk review the recent Bowlero Series show, the PBA playoffs, and the PBA draft. 

Ooh there's trouble brewing in dystopian, facist London! And there's trouble brewing between Rob & Mike! This month we’re donning our Guy Fawkes masks and remember remembering the joy that is 2005’s V for Vendetta. Spoiler alert, Mike doesn’t like it cos it’s based on a comic book that changed his life or some such. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/wdawkt/message

For the 81st episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, Kira and Rob talk with copywriter and marketing specialist, Mike Saul, about copywriting, sales, marketing, and a lot more. Kira first met Mike at a lunch-time gathering of copywriters in New York City and after talking for a little while, realized Mike had a lot of great advice to share with our listeners. In this podcast we talked about: •  how a 13-year-old’s newspaper route led to a career in sales and copywriting •  the book that he used to help a client go from a $500K monthly loss in $1 million in monthly revenue •  how his sales experience informs what he does today •  what he learned from selling burglar alarms—price is not the most important thing •  the relationship between sales and marketing in what copywriters do •  how to write an “air tight” argument for your solution •  how to overcome objections on your sales page •  the checklist he uses when he writes sales pages for his clients •  why sales people in California have to leave the house after •  the list of people he has learned sales and copywriting skills from •  credibility versus believability and which one really matters Lots of good stuff in this episode. To hear it all, click the play button below, or scroll down for a full transcript.   The people and stuff we mentioned on the show: Staton Island Advance Mandolin Brothers NAM Show Todd Brown The Ultimate Sales Letter by Dan Kennedy Brian Tracy Zig Ziglar Gibson SG Fender Telecaster Glen Garry Glen Ross Chris Haddad Clayton Makepeace’s Checklist Joe Schriefer Bob Bly John Carlton Dr. Robert LaPenna Better Call Saul Email: tinymjs.gmail.com Kira’s website Rob’s website The Copywriter Club Facebook Group Intro: Content (for now) Outro: Gravity   Full Transcript: Rob: What if you could hang out with seriously talented copywriters, ask them about their successes and failures, their work processes and their habits, then steal an idea or two to inspire your own work? That’s what Kira and I do every week at The Copywriter Club Podcast. Kira: You’re invited to join the club for episode 81 as we talk with marketing strategist and copywriter Mike Saul about how a newspaper route launched his copywriting career, how preconceived notions affect your success, credibility vs. believability, what baby bottles, Santa Clause, and getting a first date have in common, and the learning resources he likes most. Kira: Hey Mike, welcome to the show! Rob: Mike, we’re glad to have you! Mike: Thank you for having me, guys. Kira: So, we want to start with your story, Mike. How did you end up in marketing and direct response copywriting? Mike: It probably goes back to when I was 12 or 13 years old. I grew up on Staten Island, which is one of the five boroughs of New York City, so about 13 I started playing guitar. And my parents decided that they weren’t going to buy me a really nice guitar so I had to get a job at thirteen and we perish the thought these days, with all these entitled children, including my three. So anyway, I started delivering the newspaper, The Staten Island Advance. And I actually split a route with two brothers. The two brothers each had a route each but they were too big, so the mother split each of their routes and made a third route. It was kind a rent deed route, it wasn’t officially recognized by the Staten Island Advance. So that route got cycled through the neighborhood kids; most of the kids couldn’t do it so I said alright, I’m going to give it a shot. I had twenty one stops on my route. And I started delivering the paper and anybody I wasn’t delivering to on my route, I would knock on the door, ask if they wanted it, and I started selling. So, I built the route up to 41 people from 21. Now, why 41? Because I was warned by my friend’s mom, that, if you add one more house, we’re going to split the route again, so I said okay, well, that’s great...

Rob & Mike focus on the fine dentition and flowing mane of Andy Travis, watching him take on "The Consultant," and take out Mama in "Love, Exciting And New." (Full show notes appear at Hold My Order, Terrible Dresser two days after each episode is released. All audio clips are the properties of their owners/creators and appear in this work of comment and critique under fair use provisions of copyright law.)

Rob & Mike kick off the fourth and final season of the podcast with a classic pair of episodes ("An Explosive Affair," Parts 1 and 2) and the return of guest host Lenore MacAdam! (Full show notes appear at Hold My Order, Terrible Dresser two days after each episode is released. All audio clips are the properties of their owners/creators and appear in this work of comment and critique under fair use provisions of copyright law.)

Welcome back! Spring has finally sprung here in Jersey and so we invite you to join us, Rob & Mike, on our first (dry) alfresco recording of the movie segment of We’re Drunk & We Know Things! This month’s movie is Casablanca so listen in for 45 mins of insightful review, comedic commentary, occasional swearing, some little people and a lot of spoilers … for a movie that was made in 1942 so if you haven’t seen it yet you’ve only got yourself to blame. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/wdawkt/message

Schon mit ungefähr drei Jahren hat mich das Klavier im Wohnzimmer magisch angezogen und ich begann im wörtlichen Sinn damit zu spielen. Seitdem begleitet mich die Musik in unterschiedlichster Form in meinem Leben. Am liebsten spiele ich frei und spontan – und quasi alles hier ist so entstanden. Es ist die Möglichkeit für mich, Gefühle und das, was nicht gesagt werden kann, auszudrücken. Ich sehe immer wieder, dass Menschen tief berührt sind, innerlich ruhig werden und Freude oder Entspannung erleben, wenn sie mein Spiel hören. Ich selbst glaube ja, dass viel mehr hinter den Tönen stecken kann, als bloß der Klang :-). – Und da es heute ein Leichtes ist, habe ich mich dazu entschlossen, einige Stücke mit den Menschen da draußen zu teilen. Ich wünsche viel Freude damit! ~Michael I was born in Upper Austria and live now in Salzburg. Since I was about three years I had the affinity to play with the piano; in the beginning it was litterally playing :-). Since then music was always my companion till today. I also play violine and Djembe, but the piano stays the most important for me. I always preferred to play free and spontaneous. It's an important way for me to express feelings and what cannot be said. Music is the way to do that. I noticed that many people are touched when they hear my playing and get calm inside or feel joy. Since it is easy nowadays, I decided to share many pieces I record for free. All the best, Michael

Schon mit ungefähr drei Jahren hat mich das Klavier im Wohnzimmer magisch angezogen und ich begann im wörtlichen Sinn damit zu spielen. Seitdem begleitet mich die Musik in unterschiedlichster Form in meinem Leben. Am liebsten spiele ich frei und spontan – und quasi alles hier ist so entstanden. Es ist die Möglichkeit für mich, Gefühle und das, was nicht gesagt werden kann, auszudrücken. Ich sehe immer wieder, dass Menschen tief berührt sind, innerlich ruhig werden und Freude oder Entspannung erleben, wenn sie mein Spiel hören. Ich selbst glaube ja, dass viel mehr hinter den Tönen stecken kann, als bloß der Klang :-). – Und da es heute ein Leichtes ist, habe ich mich dazu entschlossen, einige Stücke mit den Menschen da draußen zu teilen. Ich wünsche viel Freude damit! ~Michael I was born in Upper Austria and live now in Salzburg. Since I was about three years I had the affinity to play with the piano; in the beginning it was litterally playing :-). Since then music was always my companion till today. I also play violine and Djembe, but the piano stays the most important for me. I always preferred to play free and spontaneous. It's an important way for me to express feelings and what cannot be said. Music is the way to do that. I noticed that many people are touched when they hear my playing and get calm inside or feel joy. Since it is easy nowadays, I decided to share many pieces I record for free. All the best, Michael

Schon mit ungefähr drei Jahren hat mich das Klavier im Wohnzimmer magisch angezogen und ich begann im wörtlichen Sinn damit zu spielen. Seitdem begleitet mich die Musik in unterschiedlichster Form in meinem Leben. Am liebsten spiele ich frei und spontan – und quasi alles hier ist so entstanden. Es ist die Möglichkeit für mich, Gefühle und das, was nicht gesagt werden kann, auszudrücken. Ich sehe immer wieder, dass Menschen tief berührt sind, innerlich ruhig werden und Freude oder Entspannung erleben, wenn sie mein Spiel hören. Ich selbst glaube ja, dass viel mehr hinter den Tönen stecken kann, als bloß der Klang :-). – Und da es heute ein Leichtes ist, habe ich mich dazu entschlossen, einige Stücke mit den Menschen da draußen zu teilen. Ich wünsche viel Freude damit! ~Michael I was born in Upper Austria and live now in Salzburg. Since I was about three years I had the affinity to play with the piano; in the beginning it was litterally playing :-). Since then music was always my companion till today. I also play violine and Djembe, but the piano stays the most important for me. I always preferred to play free and spontaneous. It's an important way for me to express feelings and what cannot be said. Music is the way to do that. I noticed that many people are touched when they hear my playing and get calm inside or feel joy. Since it is easy nowadays, I decided to share many pieces I record for free. All the best, Michael

Schon mit ungefähr drei Jahren hat mich das Klavier im Wohnzimmer magisch angezogen und ich begann im wörtlichen Sinn damit zu spielen. Seitdem begleitet mich die Musik in unterschiedlichster Form in meinem Leben. Am liebsten spiele ich frei und spontan – und quasi alles hier ist so entstanden. Es ist die Möglichkeit für mich, Gefühle und das, was nicht gesagt werden kann, auszudrücken. Ich sehe immer wieder, dass Menschen tief berührt sind, innerlich ruhig werden und Freude oder Entspannung erleben, wenn sie mein Spiel hören. Ich selbst glaube ja, dass viel mehr hinter den Tönen stecken kann, als bloß der Klang :-). – Und da es heute ein Leichtes ist, habe ich mich dazu entschlossen, einige Stücke mit den Menschen da draußen zu teilen. Ich wünsche viel Freude damit! ~Michael I was born in Upper Austria and live now in Salzburg. Since I was about three years I had the affinity to play with the piano; in the beginning it was litterally playing :-). Since then music was always my companion till today. I also play violine and Djembe, but the piano stays the most important for me. I always preferred to play free and spontaneous. It's an important way for me to express feelings and what cannot be said. Music is the way to do that. I noticed that many people are touched when they hear my playing and get calm inside or feel joy. Since it is easy nowadays, I decided to share many pieces I record for free. All the best, Michael

Schon mit ungefähr drei Jahren hat mich das Klavier im Wohnzimmer magisch angezogen und ich begann im wörtlichen Sinn damit zu spielen. Seitdem begleitet mich die Musik in unterschiedlichster Form in meinem Leben. Am liebsten spiele ich frei und spontan – und quasi alles hier ist so entstanden. Es ist die Möglichkeit für mich, Gefühle und das, was nicht gesagt werden kann, auszudrücken. Ich sehe immer wieder, dass Menschen tief berührt sind, innerlich ruhig werden und Freude oder Entspannung erleben, wenn sie mein Spiel hören. Ich selbst glaube ja, dass viel mehr hinter den Tönen stecken kann, als bloß der Klang :-). – Und da es heute ein Leichtes ist, habe ich mich dazu entschlossen, einige Stücke mit den Menschen da draußen zu teilen. Ich wünsche viel Freude damit! ~Michael I was born in Upper Austria and live now in Salzburg. Since I was about three years I had the affinity to play with the piano; in the beginning it was litterally playing :-). Since then music was always my companion till today. I also play violine and Djembe, but the piano stays the most important for me. I always preferred to play free and spontaneous. It's an important way for me to express feelings and what cannot be said. Music is the way to do that. I noticed that many people are touched when they hear my playing and get calm inside or feel joy. Since it is easy nowadays, I decided to share many pieces I record for free. All the best, Michael

Schon mit ungefähr drei Jahren hat mich das Klavier im Wohnzimmer magisch angezogen und ich begann im wörtlichen Sinn damit zu spielen. Seitdem begleitet mich die Musik in unterschiedlichster Form in meinem Leben. Am liebsten spiele ich frei und spontan – und quasi alles hier ist so entstanden. Es ist die Möglichkeit für mich, Gefühle und das, was nicht gesagt werden kann, auszudrücken. Ich sehe immer wieder, dass Menschen tief berührt sind, innerlich ruhig werden und Freude oder Entspannung erleben, wenn sie mein Spiel hören. Ich selbst glaube ja, dass viel mehr hinter den Tönen stecken kann, als bloß der Klang :-). – Und da es heute ein Leichtes ist, habe ich mich dazu entschlossen, einige Stücke mit den Menschen da draußen zu teilen. Ich wünsche viel Freude damit! ~Michael I was born in Upper Austria and live now in Salzburg. Since I was about three years I had the affinity to play with the piano; in the beginning it was litterally playing :-). Since then music was always my companion till today. I also play violine and Djembe, but the piano stays the most important for me. I always preferred to play free and spontaneous. It's an important way for me to express feelings and what cannot be said. Music is the way to do that. I noticed that many people are touched when they hear my playing and get calm inside or feel joy. Since it is easy nowadays, I decided to share many pieces I record for free. All the best, Michael

Rob & Mike wrap up Season 3 of HMOTD with a podcast as up-and-down mood-wise as Season 3 of WKRP. (Full show notes appear at Hold My Order, Terrible Dresser two days after each episode is released. All audio clips are the properties of their owners/creators and appear in this work of comment and critique under fair use provisions of copyright law.)

Rob & Mike try to deal with recent events by seeking advice in "Ask Jennifer" and getting politically active with Bailey in "I Am Woman." (Full show notes appear at Hold My Order, Terrible Dresser two days after each episode is released. All audio clips are the properties of their owners/creators and appear in this work of comment and critique under fair use provisions of copyright law.)

Father, son, husband, wearer of polyester: such is the enigma of Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr. Rob & Mike go deep into Herb's psyche with the help of two WKRP episodes: "Herb's Dad" and "Put Up or Shut Up." (Full show notes appear at Hold My Order, Terrible Dresser two days after each episode is released. All audio clips are the properties of their owners/creators and appear in this work of comment and critique under fair use provisions of copyright law.)

Rob & Mike experience the power of radio in "Mike Fright" and meet Carmen Carlson in "Patter of Little Feet." (Full show notes appear at Hold My Order, Terrible Dresser two days after each episode is released. All audio clips are the properties of their owners/creators and appear in this work of comment and critique under fair use provisions of copyright law.)

Rob & Mike join the WKRP crew on the diamond for a game of "Baseball," and try to psychoanalyze Les Nessman in "Bad Risk." (Full show notes appear at Hold My Order, Terrible Dresser two days after each episode is released. All audio clips are the properties of their owners/creators and appear in this work of comment and critique under fair use provisions of copyright law.)

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Rob & Mike enlist the help of noted Community fan Jeff Wikstrom in navigating two unloved episodes of WKRP: "I Do, I Do... For Now" and "Young Master Carlson." Full show notes appear at Hold My Order, Terrible Dresser two days after each episode is released. All audio clips are the properties of their owners/creators and appear in this work of comment and critique under fair use provisions of copyright law.

Rob & Mike discuss the WKRP episodes "Mama's Review" and "A Date With Jennifer" with special guest star Chris Tatro. Full show notes appear at Hold My Order Terrible Dresser two days after each episode is released. All audio clips are the property of their owners/creators and appear in this work of comment and critique under fair use provisions of copyright law.

This is the big one! Rob & Mike go deep into WKRP in Cincinnati's famous Thanksgiving episode, "Turkeys Away"! Plus we spare a few minutes for the existential horror of "Love Returns." Full show notes appear at Hold My Order Terrible Dresser two days after each episode is released. All audio clips are the property of their owners/creators and appear in this work of comment and critique under fair use provisions of copyright law.

Rob & Mike discuss the WKRP in Cincinnati episodes "Holdup" and "Bailey's Show," along with hijacking, unions, the great Bailey vs. Jennifer "debate," and UFOs. This episode is rated PG-13 for foul-mouthed teamsters and scary grey aliens. Full show notes appear at Hold My Order Terrible Dresser two days after each episode is released. All audio clips are the property of their owners/creators and appear in this work of comment and critique under fair use provisions of copyright law.

Just in time for Easter, Rob & Mike look at the making of and controversy surrounding Martin Scorsese's controversial film, The Last Temptation of Christ. Interviews include cinematographer Michael Ballhaus and professor Darren J. N. Middleton.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Just in time for Easter, Rob & Mike look at the making of and controversy surrounding Martin Scorsese's controversial film, The Last Temptation of Christ. Interviews include cinematographer Michael Ballhaus and professor Darren J. N. Middleton.