Podcasts about plg

Most businesses guard their intellectual property like it's Fort Knox. They lock their frameworks behind paywalls, gate their methodologies, and keep their best insights for paying clients only. We're doing the exact opposite - and it's actually better for business. In this episode, Wes reveals why ProductLed invested $150,000 to create The Product-Led Playbook and then decided to give it away completely free. He breaks down the counterintuitive business strategy behind democratizing product-led growth knowledge and why sharing your best IP actually attracts better clients. Key Highlights: 01:04: Why all ProductLed books are free (and always have been)02:09: Turning down publishers 02:50: The $150,000 investment and 16 iterations it took03:10: Why guarding knowledge is actually stupid for business03:53: Democratizing PLG - it's a skill anyone can learn04:39: How free content attracts doers who've already made hundreds of thousands05:28: Using free books to align entire teams on PLG strategy06:37: Why sharing makes onboarding company-wide adoption effortless06:56: The long-term mission - making ProductLed the de facto SaaS scaling system07:40: Why product-led companies can out-give anyone in their market08:29: What's inside - the same frameworks clients pay $30K+/month for08:51: The three core outcomes you'll unlock with the system09:19: Testimonials from Nathan Barry, Esben (Userflow), and G (Empire)

The Topline crew breaks down the fastest growing startups of 2025.   Chapters: 02:20 Welcome to Top Line  02:57 Discussion on AI Company Investments  08:47 Fastest to $10 Million in Revenue  09:53 Debate on AI Market Sustainability  15:58 AI's Impact on Business Strategies 29:58 Fastest to $50 Million in Revenue  33:16 PLG vs. Sales-Led Growth  34:08 Choosing the Right Business Model 37:03 Fastest to $100 Million in Revenue  38:07 Revenue Milestones and AI Companies  42:00 Challenges with AI Accuracy  45:35 Fastest to $500 Million  50:29 Fastest to $1 Billion, $5 Billion, $10 Billion  56:37 Final Thoughts and Investment Picks   Thanks for tuning in! Catch new episodes every Wednesday.  Subscribe to Topline Newsletter. Tune into Topline Podcast, the #1 podcast for founders, operators, and investors in B2B tech. Join the free Topline Slack channel to connect with 600+ revenue leaders to keep the conversation going beyond the podcast!

In this special republished episode of the ProductLed Podcast, Wes Bush and Laura Kluz discuss The Product-Led Playbook—and announce that we're giving away the entire book for FREE on October 7, 2025. This playbook is the no-BS guide to actually implementing PLG, based on analysis of 324+ companies, and explores why some product-led companies see millions in ARR while others crash and burn. The book is structured around nine components, which guide companies from building a solid foundation to scaling for exponential growth. The first stage includes crafting a winning strategy, identifying the ideal user, and creating an intentional product model. The second stage involves establishing a frictionless onboarding process and developing powerful pricing strategies. The final stage focuses on actionable data, growth processes, and team development. The playbook offers a step-by-step approach to operationalizing PLG and is full of templates and canvases designed for team collaboration. Intended primarily for B2B software founders and early-stage go-to-market teams, this playbook provides a structured method for effectively implementing PLG—and it's yours for free next week. Sign up at productled.com/newsletter to get the free playbook on October 7th. Key Moments: 02:01 – Why the playbook was created: analyzing 324+ companies to find what separates winners from losers. 04:52 – The surprising discovery: founders were more successful with PLG than senior product executives. 06:19 – The 9 components of the ProductLed System and why strategic order matters. 11:37 – How to use the playbook (hint: it's not a one-time read). 13:34 – Who this book is for and who should be involved. 14:54 – The 3 main outcomes: Effortless Revenue, Lean Scale, and Durable Growth. 17:46 – What didn't make it into the book (and why less is more). 20:37 – How to get the free audiobook starting next week.

Ashley Lewin has audited 30+ companies in her career and seen the same pattern: marketing teams stuck chasing MQLs while revenue stalls. In this episode, Carolyn and Trevor dig into Ashley's perspective on why MQLs keep organizations trapped in short-term thinking, and how she's applying those lessons now as Head of Marketing at Aligned.We talk through what it takes to stand up a marketing function from scratch at a hybrid PLG + sales-assisted company, why implementing HubSpot's Lead object was a foundational bet, and how “fail fast” disqualification changed the way BDRs and sales managers manage their pipeline. Ashley also shares her playbook for winning executive buy-in: showing CEOs a predictable growth equation that replaces lead volume with qualified pipeline and product activation.What You'll Learn:Why 30+ audits taught Ashley that MQLs create waste, not growth.How to split the funnel: PLG activations vs. sales-assisted pipeline.The power of clean infrastructure: standing up a true lead object in HubSpot.Why “fail fast” leads to better conversion, stronger feedback loops, and less waste.How to navigate culture change so sales isn't afraid to close lost.Why exec scorecards (not dashboards) determine whether change sticks.If your growth plan still relies on lead math, you're running on outdated assumptions. Ashley shows how to build a system that actually scales revenue, not just reporting.

Chris Frantz is the Co-founder and CEO of Loops, the email platform for software companies.We get into why sending emails is still a big problem, his hilariously simple framework for building products, getting in to YC with a last minute application, and why they skipped raising a Series A.We also talk through Chris decade of working in marketing, like when to lean into PLG vs Sales vs hype led growth, early stunts they did to get their first users, why they do no marketing now, and why Loops' customer support team is all engineers.Thanks to Ramp for supporting this episode. It's the corporate card and expense management platform used by over 40,000 companies, like Shopify, CBRE and Stripe. Time is money. Save both with Ramp. Get $250 for signing-up here: https://ramp.com/ThePeelTry Hanover Park - the modern, AI-native fund admin https://www.hanoverpark.com/TurnerTimestamps:(4:37) Email for software companies(8:28) Why email is a big deal(14:05) The future of email(17:00) Product vs Sales vs Hype led growth(24:33) Coming up with the idea for Loops(29:36) Building one of the first GPT wrappers in 2020(34:34) Lessons selling his first company(37:13) Doing their YC app in 10 minutes(40:53) Avoiding VC's who add value(46:58) Skipping a Series A(51:37) Building in stealth for 18 months(53:21) Marketing stunts to get the first waitlist sign-ups(58:44) Four step cadence of building Loops(1:01:58) Personally onboarding every new customer(1:04:03) Balancing 996 with family(1:11:11) Cleaning wasp nests with a shop vacReferencedLoops: https://loops.soCareers at Loops: https://loops.so/careersCuriosity: https://curiositystream.comSnazzy AI / Unbounce: https://unbounce.com/product/smart-copyAtlas customer support: https://atlas.soFollow ChrisTwitter: https://x.com/frantzfriesLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ctfrantzFollow TurnerTwitter: https://twitter.com/TurnerNovakLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/turnernovakSubscribe to my newsletter to get every episode + the transcript in your inbox every week: https://www.thespl.it/

想吃麥當勞早餐，卻爬不起來？太晚睡了吼……今天起，養成早睡體質吧！麥當勞攜手政大睡眠實驗室，創新再現費玉清《晚安曲》以60-80 BPM的音樂節奏融合具催眠感的視覺讓你聽了真的好想說【晚安 早餐見】＞＞ https://fstry.pse.is/86z7q6 —— 以上為 KKBOX 與 Firstory Podcast 廣告 —— 東超第四季即將在10/8開打，擴編為3組、12隊的新戰局，台籃球隊還能像上季一樣打出精彩表現嗎？東超球隊超不熟，葛蘭特大來救火！Roy邀請亞洲籃球觀察室的Grant來聊聊來自日本、韓國、菲律賓、香港、澳門、蒙古的9支參賽球隊。 台北富邦勇士所在的A組，有BLG頂級強權宇都宮皇者，從主場開幕就會是一場苦戰，永仁教練率隊重返東超，有機會搶進分組前二嗎？桃園璞園領航猿所在的B組，有BLG勁旅琉球黃金國王、堪稱PBA全明星隊的馬尼發電氣、還有神秘的澳門黑熊，想複製上季成功經驗會是高難度任務；新北國王所在的C組，包括來自KBL的昌原LG獵隼、BLG的東京電擊都有一定實力，還有近年在亞洲籃壇崛起的烏蘭巴托野馬，少了林書豪坐鎮的國王，能在新教練執教下打出全新氣象？ 雖然有人覺得東超不就是幾支俱樂部球隊湊著打？但幾季下來也確實越來越成氣候，10/8首次從台北與東京兩地點燃戰火，歡迎小人物們一起為代表台籃的隊伍加油！ 焦點回到台灣籃球，職籃開季前迎來短暫的平靜期，正好可以花點時間聊聊TPBL的賽季啟動記者會，以及「口號」對於職業聯盟的意義。Kong與小枚都提議了霹靂鍵盤版本的口號，三人還討論了聯盟行銷該怎麼跟球隊行銷做出區隔，歡迎小人物聽眾們也能留言或私訊分享想法。 最後，對外經營二二六六的鋼鐵人球團，果然內部問題也很多，期待受災戶能夠循管道為自己討回公道外，也期待續存球團都能引以為鑑。都能大撒幣投資球員了，當個正規經營的球團，相信一定是可以做到的！ 成為

Sicher hast du mitbekommen: PLG+ ist am Start – aber warum eigentlich? In dieser Woche schauen wir mal auf zwei Seiten und du erfährst, was wir “da draußen sehen”, aber auch was uns persönlich beschäftigt. In dieser Episode erzählen wir dir, Warum ein einziger Satz in einer E-Mail bei uns so viel ausgelöst hat, was uns immer wieder auffällt im Projektmanagement-Alltag und wie PLG+ genau dort ansetzt, wo Tools, Zeit und Orientierung fehlen.

Most AI companies launched after ChatGPT went viral in 2022. Fireflies.ai started in 2016 - years before the AI revolution began. This week, Co-founder and CEO Krish Ramineni shares how he built a unicorn AI company with 80% organic growth. Krish and Alex discuss: - How being "too early" to AI became their biggest competitive advantage. - Why they chose a PLG motion when sales-led was still the norm. - Building AI products before LLMs existed and the products they can return to now the technology has caught up. - Scaling to unicorn status with 80% organic growth and creating viral loops. - The future beyond note-taking: AI teammates that attend meetings for you. - How Krish manages his time while working seven days a week. - Advice for founders navigating the AI bubble. Guest links: LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/krishramineni/ Website - https://fireflies.ai/ References: SaaStock YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@SaaStock       Check out the other ways SaaStock is helping SaaS founders move their business forward: 

On Scrappy ABM, host Mason Cosby sits down with Jeff Hardison, CRO at CaseMark, to cut through tool-first thinking and get back to the fundamentals: pick the ideal customer profile that buys, retains, and expands—then run ABM to get more of your best. Jeff draws a sharp line between ICP and a target audience (the hunch you're “pushing up a hill”) and shows why alignment breaks when leadership confuses the two.ㅤThey map old-school account-based playbooks to today's stack, using intent, tasteful personalization by industry or growth stage, and PLG motions that convert free usage into organization-wide adoption—the classic “come over the top” expansion. From Calendly's surprising webinar signal (“please self-promote the product more”) to building lists with AI agents and wiring product + checkout data to measure PLG ABM, this conversation stays grounded in experiments, feedback, and outcomes.ㅤIf you're testing a new segment, scaling a hybrid PLG + sales motion, or correcting an over-automated program, this is a practical blueprint to run scrappy without breaking the bank.ㅤ

想吃麥當勞早餐，卻爬不起來？太晚睡了吼……今天起，養成早睡體質吧！麥當勞攜手政大睡眠實驗室，創新再現費玉清《晚安曲》以60-80 BPM的音樂節奏融合具催眠感的視覺讓你聽了真的好想說【晚安 早餐見】＞＞ https://fstry.pse.is/86t2ay —— 以上為 KKBOX 與 Firstory Podcast 廣告 —— 霹靂鍵盤3X3籃球專題來到第二集，Roy高規格邀請在圈子裡佔有重要一席之地的Absolute 3X3創辦人Andrew黃嘉德，從另一個角度來聊台籃3X3。 雖然同樣是由籃協作為對接FIBA賽事的窗口，3X3籃球有不同於5X5籃球的運作機制、國際賽制、以及積分排名，當我們樂見中華隊在亞洲盃重返八強、讓世界排名再次回到70名之內，台灣的3X3排名是更靠前的世界第37、亞洲第9－這是怎麼計算的？小枚點名曾經的鋼鐵人球員竟然是台灣賺積分的功臣之一，又是怎麼回事？！ 從國際再聊回台灣，國內3X3比賽不少，A3也不是近年唯一有規模與組織性的賽事，能夠持續穩健舉辦的自我定位是什麼？營運關鍵是什麼？除了Andrew的觀察之外，Kong還分享了一些香港3X3賽事的做法，四人也簡單討論了台籃3X3的商業可能性與發展方向，雖然都不是一蹴可及，但如同我們關心5X5，也呼籲小人物聽眾們持續關注同為籃球的3X3！ 最後在這周的台籃更新檔，當然不能漏掉夢想家主場迎戰領航猿的簡浩引退賽！在這場最後平手收場的賽事中，主持人們發現...簡浩根本還很準嘛！祝福他轉換執教角色也能有好發展的同時，對「新猿軍」阿提諾與陳將双的看法如何？此外，飛米加盟勇士會帶來好的化學效應嗎？TPBL的熱身賽與例行賽程有什麼看點？還有突然消息一個接一個來不及聊的洋基工程，都請小人物們持續鎖定霹靂鍵盤的追蹤！ 成為

Whatagraph has evolved from a bootstrap marketing reporting tool to a comprehensive marketing intelligence platform processing data from 12+ sources for marketing teams globally. With over $10 million in funding and a decade of iteration, the Lithuania-based company recently launched "Whatagraph 3.0"—a fundamental shift from pure sales-led to hybrid PLG motion. In this episode of Category Visionaries, Justas Malinauskas shares the technical and strategic decisions behind their transformation from agency tool to enterprise marketing intelligence platform, including their multi-agentic AI implementation and the SEO strategy that generates 500+ MQLs monthly. Topics Discussed: Technical architecture evolution from reporting automation to full-stack marketing intelligence Strategic pivot from sales-led to hybrid PLG/sales-led motion triggered by mission misalignment Advanced SEO methodology using competitor pain point analysis and search behavior reverse engineering AI implementation using multi-agentic systems rather than simple LLM integration Lithuania's bootstrap-first ecosystem and knowledge-sharing networks among unicorn companies Go-to-market evolution across three distinct phases over 10 years GTM Lessons For B2B Founders: Engineer time-to-value as your primary PLG enabler, not feature breadth: Whatagraph achieved 5-minute time-to-value from data connection to dashboard generation—versus the industry standard of hours—by rebuilding their onboarding around AI-powered automation rather than manual drag-and-drop configuration. Justas notes this wasn't just UI optimization but fundamental product architecture changes: "It's basically a lot of knowledge from our last 10 years...we're able to build it like really multi-agentic platform which helps to build those things in steps, not just like drop something randomly." For PLG success, optimize your technical stack for immediate value delivery, not comprehensive feature exposure. Weaponize competitor technical limitations through content strategy: Rather than competing on generic "best marketing tool" keywords, Whatagraph dominated by creating authoritative content around specific competitor pain points. Their "Looker Studio being slow" content strategy captured high-volume searches from frustrated users by actually helping solve the problem while positioning their technical advantages. Justas explains: "The biggest problem was it's actually very slow...when we have everything in house we can make things like very quick and speedy compared to there." Target technical pain points your architecture inherently solves rather than fighting brand-to-brand keyword battles. Align your ICP strategy with your actual technical capabilities, not market perception: Whatagraph's shift to hybrid PLG wasn't market-driven but mission-driven. Justas realized their technical product could serve smaller organizations, but their sales-led approach artificially excluded them: "We were not empowering in the first place people, everyone to make those data driven decisions fast...we were not allowing everyone into the product even if our product was allowing to." Audit whether your go-to-market motion matches your product's actual technical capabilities and addressable market, not just your current revenue optimization. Build SEO moats through search behavior psychology, not keyword tools: Whatagraph's SEO dominance came from Justas thinking like customers in problem-solving mode rather than using standard keyword research. He reverse-engineered the complete buyer journey: "People go through a very much regular process...they search for a problem...find a blog post...find a product...competition...pricing...reviews...then actually buy the product." They attempted to own multiple touchpoints in this journey through strategic content placement across different domains. Map your customer's actual research psychology, not just search volumes. Implement freemium with full core functionality, not feature limitations: Whatagraph's new freemium tier includes their complete AI-powered report generation ("Whatagraph IQ") with only data source limitations, not feature restrictions. This approach lets small users experience the full product value while creating natural upgrade triggers as they grow. Justas notes: "All the core functionality...you're able to talk with your data within AI capabilities and ask questions about your data as you would pay a couple of thousands a month." Design freemium around usage scaling, not capability restrictions, to demonstrate full product value.   //   Sponsors: Front Lines — We help B2B tech companies launch, manage, and grow podcasts that drive demand, awareness, and thought leadership. www.FrontLines.io The Global Talent Co. — We help tech startups find, vet, hire, pay, and retain amazing marketing talent that costs 50-70% less than the US & Europe.  www.GlobalTalent.co   //   Don't Miss: New Podcast Series — How I Hire Senior GTM leaders share the tactical hiring frameworks they use to build winning revenue teams. Hosted by Andy Mowat, who scaled 4 unicorns from $10M to $100M+ ARR and launched Whispered to help executives find their next role. Subscribe here: https://open.spotify.com/show/53yCHlPfLSMFimtv0riPyM   

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What do you do when everyone loves your product but no one's paying for it? That was the challenge facing Beautiful.ai. Founder Mitch Grasso nailed the product, but to build a sustainable business, he brought in operator Jason Lapp as CEO. In this conversation, Jason shares how Beautiful.ai killed its freemium tier, introduced a credit-card-gated trial without losing momentum, and learned to serve both self-serve and enterprise customers at the same time. He also explains how to listen to customer feedback without becoming a feature factory, and why non-technical founders shouldn't try to know everything about the tech stack. If you're a founder wondering when to put up a paywall — or how to balance PLG with enterprise sales — here's a playbook. RUNTIME 46:20 EPISODE BREAKDOWN (3:35) “ The timing of us coming together was really fortuitous for beautiful because he had already built the first version of beautiful and put it in market.” (6:28) “ Microsoft and Google report that there's close to a billion people that use presentation software on a monthly basis.” (10:51) “ At a certain point after getting in market, you start to get a different set of signal.” (14:52) The free trial period is a great opportunity to learn about what customers value most. (19:56) Leverage “emotional” feedback to improve the customer experience. (23:46) “ We do have a guiding principle, which is: on the customer side, we generally don't build for one customer need.” (26:17) Beautiful.ai uses NPS surveys to gather feedback from enterprise and individual users. (28:49) Since pivoting to paid, they have separate teams for enterprise and individual customers. (23:02) “ We think about an ICP, and then we think about an IECP, meaning the enterprise as a whole.” (33:57) Capturing behavioral and attitudinal data to understand customer behavior. (37:18)  How the broader rise of generative AI has influenced GTM strategy. (42:33) Jason shares some advice for non-technical CEOs. LINKS Jason Lapp Beautiful.ai AI Isn't Coming For Jobs, It's Coming For Inefficiency Continuous Discovery Habits: Discover Products that Create Customer Value and Business Value, Teresa Torres Everything You Need to Know About Freemium Pricing, Kyle Poyar, OpenView Partners SUBSCRIBE

Scrappy ABM brings together Mason Cosby and Natalie Marcotullio for a conversation that keeps ABM grounded in practice: build hyper-specific verticals, show buyers their future state with interactive demos, and measure success on pipeline.ㅤNatalie, Head of Growth and Product Marketing at Navattic, explains why one-to-many ABM works best when the product is visual and prospects can say, “suddenly it clicks.” From narrowing beyond G2 categories to stacking signals across LinkedIn ads, Slack alerts, and PLG activity, this episode highlights the fundamentals of focusing lists, consolidating signals, and ensuring ABM efforts don't burn cash.ㅤ

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Callidus Legal AI is transforming litigation practice by building comprehensive AI-powered workflows for legal professionals. With 1,200 customers and 100% quarter-over-quarter growth, the company has developed a product-led growth strategy that combines domain-specific AI tools with visual multi-step workflows. In this episode, Justin McCallon shares how Callidus has achieved rapid growth through a zero-friction PLG approach while building trust in a traditionally conservative industry. Topics Discussed: The current state and future potential of AI in legal practice  Callidus's approach to building domain-specific legal AI tools with visual workflows  The company's comprehensive case database containing 11 million U.S. cases  Product-led growth strategies that drove 100% quarterly growth and 1,200 customers  Performance marketing optimization for legal AI tools  Building trust and eliminating hallucination risks in AI-powered legal research  The evolution from chatbot-based tools to sophisticated visual workflows  Organic growth strategies including making case databases freely accessible on the web GTM Lessons For B2B Founders: Master zero-friction PLG for professional services: Callidus achieved 1,200 customers and 100% quarterly growth by eliminating traditional B2B sales friction. Justin explained their approach: "Initially we did this with zero touch points, zero friction. You don't need to talk to anybody. It's basically just you come to our website, you sign up for a trial, you start using the app." This model works particularly well for professional services where individual practitioners can make purchasing decisions independently. Focus on high buyer-intent keywords for performance marketing success: Rather than casting a wide net, Callidus targeted specific, high-intent search terms. Justin emphasized: "A lot of people focus on words that maybe are too informational with lower buy intent." They focused on keywords like "legal AI assistant" and "legal AI research" that indicated immediate need rather than general curiosity. Founders should prioritize keywords that align with their ICP and indicate purchase readiness. Create organic acquisition through valuable free resources: Callidus moved their entire 11 million case database to the web for free access, creating a powerful organic acquisition engine. Justin described the strategy: "People have free access to every case that we have. And they can search, say Brown versus Board of Education. And we'll be one of the groups that has a page dedicated to that." This approach generates organic traffic while demonstrating product value, creating a natural conversion funnel from free users to paid customers. Optimize every funnel step with ruthless precision: Callidus's performance marketing success came from methodical funnel optimization. Justin broke down their approach: "Every step of the funnel. Break it down. What conversion rate are we seeing on this step of the funnel? What's benchmark? And then for the areas that are below benchmark, why are we not doing well?" Founders should treat each funnel step as a conversion problem to solve, using data to identify bottlenecks and creative solutions to address them. Build trust through domain expertise, not just technology: In conservative industries like law, trust is built through demonstrating deep domain knowledge. Callidus differentiates itself by combining legal expertise with engineering: "We have really visual multi step workflows, we have really deep engineering, we've tied both the legal knowledge and the engineering expertise." Founders entering regulated or conservative industries should emphasize domain credibility alongside technical capabilities. Use evaluation systems to optimize AI model performance: Rather than fine-tuning models, Callidus built comprehensive evaluation systems to optimize performance across different foundation models. Justin explained: "We've gone through and had lawyers say, hey, here's my case I've worked on in the past. Here are all of the cases I would reference here... Then we can say, okay, it looks like for this API call, GPT-4 is the best, and this one's Claude." This approach allows for dynamic optimization without the overhead of model training.   //   Sponsors: Front Lines — We help B2B tech companies launch, manage, and grow podcasts that drive demand, awareness, and thought leadership. www.FrontLines.io The Global Talent Co. — We help tech startups find, vet, hire, pay, and retain amazing marketing talent that costs 50-70% less than the US & Europe.  www.GlobalTalent.co   //   Don't Miss: New Podcast Series — How I Hire Senior GTM leaders share the tactical hiring frameworks they use to build winning revenue teams. Hosted by Andy Mowat, who scaled 4 unicorns from $10M to $100M+ ARR and launched Whispered to help executives find their next role. Subscribe here: https://open.spotify.com/show/53yCHlPfLSMFimtv0riPyM 

Cześć, Maciej powrócił a z nim tytuł magistra.O czym dzisiaj w odcinku:Wielkie gratulacje Maciej za zakończenie studiów wyższych, no a teraz już chop do pracy!Włączył się nam segment giereczkowy, którego dawno nie było – Maciej przywołuje grę Stardew Valle, od której nie może się oderwać. A mi bardzo siadała gra na Nintendo Switch 2 – Rune Factory – Guardian of Azuma. Świetna gra osadzona w tradycji Japońskiej. Trochę symulacji farmy, trochę walki z bogami i zdobywaniem nowych światów. Mocno wciągająca w ślicznej oprawie z oryginalną ścieżką dźwiękową japońską i napisami po angielsku. Bardzo polecam!Nintendo dostrzega Polskę! System będzie po polsku oraz pewnie kilka kluczowych gier. Czekamy, nie możemy się doczekać.Na Netflixie wylądował nowy sezon Wendesday – Maciek mocno poleca – ale akcja marketingowa w okół nowego sezonu jest super.Czy mamy jakiś fanów Crocsów? jeżeli tak, to mamy dla was specjalne obudowy w formie popularnego klapka – niestety dostępne w Korei – ale mają międzynarodowe wysyłki

In today's rapidly evolving sales landscape, the integration of product-led growth (PLG) and sales-led growth (SLG) strategies has become a crucial differentiator for successful companies. As the Chief Revenue Officer of Webflow, Adrian Rosenkranz shares invaluable insights on effectively blending these two approaches to create a unified go-to-market engine. This episode explores how Webflow has successfully combined PLG and SLG motions, leveraging artificial intelligence (AI) to enhance customer experiences, streamline sales processes, and drive revenue growth. Adrian provides a unique perspective on the challenges and opportunities presented by this hybrid approach, offering practical strategies for sales and marketing professionals looking to optimize their go-to-market strategies.                              Key Takeaways Understanding the distinctions between product-led and sales-led growth motions Leveraging AI to enhance relevancy and personalization in customer interactions Implementing AI-driven content refreshes to improve discoverability and SEO performance Utilizing AI for sales enablement, including personalized onboarding and coaching Adapting metrics and KPIs to evaluate the effectiveness of blended PLG and SLG strategies As we navigate this AI-driven sales landscape, it's clear that the companies who can effectively blend PLG and SLG strategies while leveraging AI will have a significant competitive advantage. It's an exciting time to be in sales, and I'm eager to see how these strategies evolve. Innovative AI Applications in Sales and Marketing Creating AI-generated onboarding podcasts for new hires Developing custom GPTs for sales reps to streamline prospecting and communication Implementing AI-powered customer support to resolve cases faster in PLG motions Utilizing AI for content optimization and real-time conversion rate improvements The Future of AI in Sales As AI continues to reshape the sales landscape, Adrian emphasizes the importance of maintaining authenticity and personalization. He introduces the concept of a "Go-to-Market AI Engineer" role, dedicated to reimagining sales workflows and processes through AI integration. This episode provides a wealth of actionable insights for sales leaders, marketers, and revenue operations professionals looking to harness the power of AI and create a more effective, blended approach to growth. Don't miss this opportunity to stay ahead of the curve and drive your organization's success in the AI-powered sales era. Key Moments 00:00:00 - Blending Product-Led and Sales-Led Growth Webflow successfully combines product-led and sales-led growth strategies. Few companies effectively blend these approaches into a single go-to-market engine. The key is solving for customer experience rather than separate teams, using AI to meet customers' needs faster and provide more relevant interactions across both motions.                                                       00:04:31 - AI's Impact on Marketing and Sales AI is automating relevancy in marketing and sales. Webflow uses AI to refresh content, optimize landing pages, and personalize outreach. They've built custom GPT models to assist SDRs and automate processes. AI enables faster, more personalized customer interactions across product-led and sales-led motions. 00:23:22 - Implementing AI in Go-to-Market Strategy Webflow hired a Go-to-Market AI Engineer to reimagine workflows. They use AI for sales enablement, coaching, and onboarding. The CRO created an AI-generated podcast to onboard the new CMO. AI helps scale knowledge sharing and provides faster feedback loops for sales reps.                                                                    00:39:15 - AI Impact on Metrics and Customer Experience                       Webflows CRO identifies the type of metrics they measure the sales team by and how they use AI to drive a better set of KPis that drive a better customer experience.            About Adrian Rosenkranz Adrian Rosenkranz is Chief Revenue Officer at Webflow, where he leads Sales, Marketing, Customer Success, Partnerships and Revenue Operations. He is helping grow Webflow into the leading AI-powered visual development platform for ambitious brands. Before Webflow, Adrian was Chief Operating Officer of Tableau Americas at Salesforce, where he scaled a multi-billion dollar enterprise business. A firm believer in innovation with purpose, Adrian is helping Webflow harness AI to drive smarter growth and better customer experiences, from go-to-market systems that learn and adapt to tools that amplify what creative teams can build. His focus is on unlocking leverage, not just automation. Adrian also serves on the board of the Multiple Myeloma Research Foundation and previously advised Harvard Business School's Kraft Precision Medicine Accelerator. He earned his bachelor's degree from Stanford University, where he was a Division I football player. 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想吃麥當勞早餐，卻爬不起來？太晚睡了吼……今天起，養成早睡體質吧！麥當勞攜手政大睡眠實驗室，創新再現費玉清《晚安曲》以60-80 BPM的音樂節奏融合具催眠感的視覺讓你聽了真的好想說【晚安 早餐見】＞＞ https://fstry.pse.is/84qbxy —— 以上為 KKBOX 與 Firstory Podcast 廣告 —— 隔壁棚職棒剛辦完林智勝戲劇性點到滿的引退賽，正想著這周該聊什麼的霹靂鍵盤，就蹭著大師兄的議題熱度，聯想到曾經味全龍X攻城獅的「五龍五獅」跨界主題日，那，這周就來聊攻城獅吧！ 久沒上節目的獅子大將軍健維，首先帶來獅紫軍季票球迷專享的「盛獅饗宴」活動精彩內容，雖然沒有搶先看到重磅補強的韓援慕獅女孩，但也跟球員們共進一頓豐盛佳餚－包括讓健維讚譽有加的雞湯！回到球隊陣容，獅迷對選秀狀元劉丞勳的期待、對進入合約年的高國豪的想法、盛傳復出繪聲繪影的布拉，以及新竹地盤可能面對新球團競爭的心聲，都在扎實的一小時節目討論中。 在台籃更新檔的段落，聊完U16亞洲盃、美國籃球名人堂、林彥廷回台灣加盟新北國王等球隊動態後，TPBL宣布熱身賽、以及運動部正式掛牌開張的消息，也讓籃球迷更多了些新的籃球季終於要展開的期待，以及對運動產業未來發展的想像。後續會如何？歡迎小人物聽眾們跟著節目一起持續追蹤！ 成為

Fyxer.ai is an AI-powered assistant that helps users reclaim hours of their day by managing their inboxes, writing replies, and taking meeting notes. But Fyxer didn't start with AI. It started with a decade-long executive assistant agency that gave them a treasure trove of data and insight that became the foundation for integrating AI. Fyxer CEO and Co-Founder Rich Hollingsworth joins Madrona Managing Director Karan Mehandru on this episode of Founded & Funded to share how Fyxer went from $1M to $10M ARR in six months with just 30 employees. In this episode, Rich shares: Why great startups start with real-world pain How there is still room for disruption with email Why quality data matters more than quantity The PLG-to-enterprise playbook that actually works The rowing team mindset that drives their decision-making Whether you're a founder, operator, or investor, this is a masterclass in AI execution, startup focus, and scaling fast without breaking. Full Transcript: www.madrona.com/fyxer-ai-productivity-tools-for-email-and-meetings Chapters (00:00) Intro  (01:00) From EA Agency to AI Assistant (03:00) Lessons from Building Workflow-Driven AI (04:00) Growth: $1M to $10M ARR in 6 Months (05:00) Planning for Success vs. Failure (06:00) Frameworks for Prioritization (07:00) PLG + Enterprise Motion (09:00) What's Broken in AI Productivity (10:00) The Quality of Data Edge (12:00) Hiring: Execs Who Do the Grunt Work (14:00) Building with Family: Founding with His Brother (16:00) The Co-Founder Pitch That Landed Matt (18:00) What Startups Get Right vs. Big Tech (19:00) Founder Self-Work: Execution vs. Promotion (20:00) The Kindest Thing

Wyszło jak wyszło, nie ma co tego rozdrapywać. Niestety – co usłyszycie we wstępnaiku tego odcinka – nie udało się w sierpniu nic nagrać. Jest to nasz najgorszy okres od początku podcastu – gdzie nagraliśmy przez okres dwóch miesięcy tylko dwa odcinki. Ten, który macie do odsłuchu został nagrany 28 lipca. Sorry – wracamy licząc, że wybaczycie i będziecie wciąż z nami.Ale chyba nieregularność dość mocno wkradła się w nasze i Wasze odcinki.Na wstępie, trochę spóźnione co u nas – rozmawiamy o aplikacjach pogodowych, AirPods 4 ANC – wrażenia Jaśka, okładach na ipada oraz mojej polecajki Domki Kong Bananza na Nintendo Switch 2.Główny temat odcinka – to moje zachwyty nad podróżą do Jaopnii – jest to część pierwsza. Drugą dowiozę solo w ciągu tego miesiąca.Liczę, że się nie gniewacie i słyszymy się w następnych odcinkach. Pamiętajcie z kodem LPK – na stronie kawawbiurz.pl możecie kupić kawkę o -20% taniej – odliczane w koszyku do całego zamówienia.PozdrawiamyAdam i JanInstagram: @LuznoPrzyKawieTwitter: @LuźnoPrzyKawieFacebook: @LPKpodcastProjekt okładki: Adam BorodoIdentyfikacja wizualna: High5Studio.plGłosy: Adam Borodo, Jan Urbanowicz

大家終於盼到林書豪宣布他的下一步動向，這次不是續約國王，也不是轉隊，而是他心中已有答案，但仍不願太快面對的退休宣言！「小人物上籃」重新剪輯推出「留聲機」特輯，回顧林書豪抵台前80%的職業生涯歷程。同時，霹靂鍵盤收集了小人物聽眾們印象深刻的「台籃林書豪」瞬間，並再次邀請小人物好友阿喆，共同談論這位以TPBL獎項大滿貫完美劃下球員生涯句點的Jeremy Lin。 在霹靂鍵盤選出的2023年至2025年10天10大事件中，小人物聽眾心中最深刻的TOP 5分別是 * 2023年2月13日，台籃首度登場，現場超過5,300人到場，線上同步觀看人數突破12萬。 * 2023年2月25日，對戰攻城獅砍下關鍵三分，夢回2012年多倫多絕殺暴龍的經典瞬間！ * 2023年4月23日，上演驚人50分11助攻10籃板超級大三元。 * 2023年5月14日，因與麥卡洛爭搶籃板球受傷，被稱為「終局之戰」。 * 2023年9月14日，宣布加盟國王與弟弟書緯實現「兄弟連線」。 節目中也分享了林書豪對小人物聽眾的深刻意義，主持人們的回憶，以及對他的退休祝福，還有討論他未來是否能繼續以其他身分為台灣籃球貢獻力量，以及國王隊未來可能的戰力變化。 此外，PLG選秀終於登場，本集節目以比聯盟更精細的解說規格，一一盤點四位新秀。除了首次曝光的洋基工程經營團隊，更令人好奇的是，球員來源尚未完全揭曉。最後，主持人們多角度探討「台灣職籃還需要選秀嗎？」這一命題，當然還有台籃各隊陣容異動，以及令人矚目的Karl-Anthony Towns大溪半日遊，這些精彩內容盡在本集節目，歡迎所有籃球迷一同追蹤台籃大小動態！ 成為

Alex Theuma speaks with Kieran Flanagan about his learnings from leading AI and GTM at HubSpot. Kieran shares his journey from leading HubSpot's inbound and PLG transformations to spearheading its AI-powered GTM initiatives, including: - Why integrating AI into your workflow is now essential for top performers. - The rise of new AI-driven roles like AI trainers. - The AI experiments at HubSpot driving 300–500% increases in booked meetings. - How startups can apply AI to GTM without breaking the budget. - A sneak peek at his upcoming SaaStock Europe keynote presentation. Guest links: LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/kieranjflanagan/ Marketing Against the Grain podcast - https://blog.hubspot.com/podcasts/marketing-against-the-grain Website - https://www.kieranflanagan.io/ HubSpot website - http://hubspot.com/       Check out the other ways SaaStock is helping SaaS founders move their business forward: 

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The SaaS Magic Number is one of the most Googled SaaS metric posts — but it's also one of the most misunderstood. In episode #310, Ben Murray explains what the SaaS Magic Number really measures, why investors care about it, and the benchmarks you should use to evaluate your own business model. From the formula (revenue growth vs. sales & marketing spend) to the nuances (why churn and expansion impact the metric), Ben shows SaaS operators how to avoid common pitfalls. You'll also hear the latest benchmark data from Ray Rike at Benchmarkit.ai, giving you investor-ready context for your next fundraising or valuation conversation. What You'll Learn: What the SaaS Magic Number is and how to calculate it. Why it's more than just a sales and marketing efficiency metric. The nuance: contraction, churn, and customer success also affect the number. Why ARR size and ACV segmentation are critical for accurate benchmarking. When the metric is most useful (short sales cycles, PLG) vs. when to be cautious (enterprise sales cycles). Why It Matters for SaaS Operators & Investors: The Magic Number is a widely used investor metric to gauge efficiency. Clean reporting builds confidence with investors and supports higher company valuations. Benchmarks by ARR and ACV provide a realistic picture of growth efficiency. Using the wrong interpretation can lead to bad decisions in finance strategy and fundraising. Resources Mentioned: Blog Post: https://www.thesaascfo.com/calculate-saas-magic-number/ Five-Pillar SaaS Metrics Framework: https://www.thesaasacademy.com/the-saas-metrics-foundation

בחירת אסטרטגיית צמיחה לסטארטאפ היא החלטה מורכבת, כזו שמשפיעה על כל אזור בחברה, מהאופן שבו מפתחים את המוצר, עד הדרך שבה מתבצע תהליך המכירות - וכמובן איך שני האזורים האלה משתלבים. בסדרת פרקים חדשה: ״הכל על PLG ו-SLG" אנחנו משתפים בדרך של מאנדיי בבחירת מנוע הצמיחה שלה תחילה בהתבסס על המוצר בלבד, ובהמשך גם עם שילוב של מנוע מכירות. בפרק השבוע אדוה שיסגל מדברת עם ערן זינמן, קו-פאונדר וקו-CEO במאנדיי, על התהליך שעבר מערך המכירות של החברה וההבנה שהמכירות הן לא תוסף, אלא שינוי ה-DNA כולו של החברה. בפרק נדבר על ״מלכודת ה-PLG", ומה עושים כשהחברה מגיעה לתקרת זכוכית של צמיחה דרך המוצר, והשינויים שהמהלך הזה דרש, שהם הרבה מעבר ל״פשוט להוסיף אנשי מכירות״. ערן משתף איך התמודדו עם הצורך לשנות את כל הגישה לאנשי מכירות, מדיאלוג טכני על פיצ׳רים לשיחות על הבעיות האמיתיות של הלקוחות, על לדילמות הפנימיות כמו האם לבקש מספר טלפון בהרשמה ואיך זה משפיע על מנוע הצמיחה הקיים, אילו עוד אתגרים לא מפוצחים, וכמובן איך AI יכול להשפיע על המשך התהליך. חסר לכם קצת רקע? האזינו לפרק הראשון בסדרה איך בחירת אסטרטגיית הצמיחה שלנו משפיעה על המרקטינג? האזינו לפרק השני בסדרה Introducing the PLG Trap - קישור לבלוג שערן מתייחס אליו בפרק --- מוזמנים להצטרף לקהילה שלנו ולהמשיך את השיח - www.facebook.com/groups/startupforstartup/ ניתן למצוא את כל הפרקים ותכנים נוספים באתר שלנו - https://www.startupforstartup.com/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

saas.unbound is a podcast for and about founders who are working on scaling inspiring products that people love, brought to you by https://saas.group/, a serial acquirer of B2B SaaS companies. In episode #37 of season 5, Tim Heicks talks with Dave Boyce, EVP Product at Winning by Design, a global B2B revenue consulting and training company that enables recurring revenue teams to architect sustainable growth.--------------Episode's Chapters----------------0:00 - Introduction and Guest Background1:11 - Early Days in SaaS and Entrepreneurship3:13 - Evolution of PLG and Enterprise Software6:13 - Joining Winning by Design9:11 - Writing the PLG Book for the Masses12:19 - Consulting and Value Add for Companies16:00 - New Perspectives on PLG and Freemium23:06 - AI's Impact on GTM and Human Touch31:16 - AI Search and the Future of Discovery36:03 - Evaluating Companies for AcquisitionDave - https://www.linkedin.com/in/boycedave/Subscribe to our channel to be the first to see the interviews that we publish twice a week - https://www.youtube.com/@saas-groupStay up to date:Twitter: https://twitter.com/SaaS_groupLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/14790796

In this episode of the ProductLed Podcast, we're re-sharing a part of the audiobook for The ProductLed Playbook—a proven roadmap for installing the ProductLed system and transforming your business from scattered to streamlined. Key highlights: 01:34 – Why 97% of buyers want to try before they buy02:18 – Stage One: Building an unshakable foundation03:50 – Stage Two: Unlocking self-serve customers05:40 – Stage Three: Igniting exponential expansion07:29 – Why you must continually update PLG components08:22 – Quick-start action plan for implementing the system10:07 – Free Product-Led Growth Session offer Resources:

In this episode of The SaaS CFO Podcast, host Ben Murray welcomes Jon Carr-Harris, founder and CEO of Cred, for an engaging discussion about Jon's global background and entrepreneurial journey. Growing up across nine countries and with experience in multiple startups, Jon brings a unique perspective to building successful tech businesses and understanding diverse user needs. Jon shares insights into Cred's innovative predictive intelligence platform, which helps companies bridge internal and external data to drive smarter business actions. The conversation dives into Cred's go-to-market strategies, enterprise sales cycles, and evolving pricing models—along with how the team secured a $15 million seed round and landed big-name customers in sports, entertainment, and finance. Whether you're interested in SaaS growth tactics, data-driven decision making, or scaling a new tech venture, this episode is packed with valuable takeaways. Jon also hints at an exciting new product launch coming soon, so stay tuned to learn more about what's next for Cred! Show Notes: 00:00 "Bridging Internal-External Market Insights" 04:38 PLG to Leadership Sales Strategy 08:33 "Tailoring Sales for Investor Appeal" 12:15 Adapting SaaS Pricing Model 14:28 Data and Revenue Correlation 16:41 "Revolutionary Enterprise Product Release" Links: SaaS Fundraising Stories: https://www.thesaasnews.com/news/cred-raises-15-million-in-seed-round Jon Carr-Harris' LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jcarrharris/ CRED's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/credplatform/ CRED's Website: https://www.credplatform.com/ To learn more about Ben check out the links below: Subscribe to Ben's daily metrics newsletter: https://saasmetricsschool.beehiiv.com/subscribe Subscribe to Ben's SaaS newsletter: https://mailchi.mp/df1db6bf8bca/the-saas-cfo-sign-up-landing-page SaaS Metrics courses here: https://www.thesaasacademy.com/ Join Ben's SaaS community here: https://www.thesaasacademy.com/offers/ivNjwYDx/checkout Follow Ben on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/benrmurray

Join us as Jason Lemkin, CEO, and Founder of SaaStr, sits down with Tope Awotona, CEO, and founder of Calendly for an insightful AMA session. They discuss Calendly's journey, their success in the Product-Led Growth (PLG) domain, and how it balances self-serve with enterprise sales strategies. Tope shares candid lessons learned from growing Calendly, from managing customer acquisition costs to aligning product development with customer needs. The conversation also delves into how Calendly plans to integrate AI to enhance user productivity and manage meetings more efficiently. This episode is packed with valuable insights for founders, CEOs, and anyone interested in SaaS growth strategies. ------------------   Hey everybody, SaaStr Annual will be back in May of 2026.  The world's largest SaaS + AI gathering for executives. Just this May we hosted: 10,000 attendees with 68% VP-level and above, 36% CEOs and founders and a growing 25% were AI-first professionals. This is the very best of the best S-tier attendees and decision makers that come to SaaStr each year.  But here's the reality, folks: the longer you wait, the higher ticket prices can get. Early bird tickets are available now, but once they're gone, you'll pay hundreds more so don't wait. Lock in your spot today. Use my code JASON100 for exclusive savings. Get your tickets at podcast.saastrannual.com or use code JASON100 at checkout.  SaaStr Annual 2026. We'll see you there

Hedra CEO Michael Lingelbach breaks down how his generative video app went from zero to millions of users and an eight-figure run rate in months — then deliberately slowed down to rebuild a V2 that enterprises would pay for. We dig into the prosumer-to-pro upsell, why free users are a false signal, and how a creator-seeded launch can outpull ad spend. Michael shares the GTM that signs enterprise contracts every few days with no outbound, the exact moment he killed feature churn to ship a real workflow, and what to hire (and fire) in the first 10 people. If you're building AI or any early product, this is a must-listen blueprint on getting from hype to revenue.Why You Should ListenHow Hedra hit an 8-figure run rate in months — with a prosumer → enterprise wedgeThe “free user” trap: why signups ≠ demand and how to price for painWhen to pause growth to build V2 that actually sells (workflow > tech demo)A creator-led launch playbook that drives virality without paid influencersHiring early: bring in a talent lead fast, staff for speed, survive co-founder changesKeywordsAI video, generative AI, product market fit, Hedra, Michael Lingelbach, creator tools, PLG, enterprise SaaS, go to market, startup growth00:00:00 Intro00:02:25 Why he built his own proprietary models00:10:19 Target use cases faceless channels marketers podcasts00:15:31 Early hiring lessons00:38:00 Free vs paid00:51:03 V2 launch and shift to enterprise 00:53:46 Hitting eight figure run rate and scaling GTMSend me a message to let me know what you think!

After 9 years of working with SaaS companies on product-led growth, we've tried everything - consulting, services, cohorts, bestselling books. We've seen what works, what doesn't, and what most companies get wrong. The breakthrough came when we realized something: companies don't need more advice. They need someone to actually do the work with them. In this episode, Wes pulls back the curtain on exactly how ProductLed works as your PLG partner, revealing the proven system that's powered over $1 billion in self-serve revenue and why most companies fail at product-led growth. Key Highlights: 01:11: Why ProductLed exists and what we actually do01:52: The $1M+ revenue guarantee (and what it takes to qualify)03:00: The winning formula: System + Implementation + Results04:25: The full-stack PLG system breakdown07:33: Why you shouldn't waste time on random LinkedIn experiments09:09: The embedded operator approach vs. hiring specialists14:48: The 3-stage ProductLed System (Start, Build, Scale)17:20: Your hands-on implementer: Cross-functional VP of Growth19:23: The 90-day results guarantee (unheard of in consulting)20:00: What a typical engagement looks like (the full laundry list)27:00: Why DIY PLG takes 2-3x longer and costs more long-term Your product has the potential to sell itself. This is how you unlock it. Resources: ✨ Book your free Product-Led Growth Session

Storyblok CEO and Co-founder Dominik Angerer joins Alex Theuma to share how a side project evolved into a global SaaS company with 270 people in 47 countries and $138M in funding. Dominik reveals the strategies behind scaling a fully remote team, expanding into the U.S., blending PLG with enterprise sales, and integrating AI to transform content management. Hear his funding philosophy, lessons in remote leadership, and what's next on Storyblok's journey toward $100M ARR and profitability. Topics covered: - Building a global remote-first SaaS - Scaling from PLG to enterprise sales - Using AI to power personalisation and automation - Funding strategy and expansion into the U.S. - Leadership lessons from a developer-turned-CEO Guest links: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dominikangerer/ Website: https://www.storyblok.com/       Check out the other ways SaaStock is helping SaaS founders move their business forward: 

Send us a textCRO veteran Dylan Ander (Founder, heatmap.com) joins Jordan to spill the never-before-shared story of how he landed heatmap.com by acquiring an entire C-Corp—and why the name matters for brand authority, SEO, and inbound. We break down why GA4 falls short for eCommerce, how definitions (sessions, idle windows, engagement) skew your numbers vs Shopify, and what to use when you need buyer-truth, not vanity metrics.Dylan unveils element-level revenue analytics—Revenue per Click (RPC) and Revenue per Session (RPS)—plus the coming Revenue per View (RPV), so you can prioritize changes that actually increase cash, not just clicks. We dig into pixel-level behavior tracking (no cookies, no PII), AI insights that call out underperforming elements (e.g., a specific FAQ item), and how to catch bugs and bot traffic before they burn revenue.We also get tactical on replacing Google Optimize, the realities of SaaS pricing (and why “McDonald's pricing” works), and the rise of social search (TikTok as a top search engine) shaping product discovery more than LLM/Chat. If you own a P&L for a DTC brand—or you're the CRO/performance lead—this episode will make you money.What you'll learn→ How Dylan cold-outreaches to acquire companies & premium domains (the “urgent, must speak to founder” play)→ Why GA4 under-/over-reports vs Shopify—and how definitions (idle windows, engagement) distort truth→ The RPC/RPS (and coming RPV) metrics that finally connect elements → revenue→ Pixel-level behavior tracking (no cookies/PII) + AI insights that tell you exactly what to change→ Social search optimization (TikTok search often beats LLM/Chat for product discovery)→ Replacing Google Optimize and building reliable A/B workflows in 2025→ The real cost drivers behind SaaS pricing—and how to price without burning trust→ Bot/junk filtering and defining a “session” that reflects buyers, not noiseWho this is for→ DTC/eCommerce founders & growth leaders→ CROs, performance marketers, and Shopify teams→ SaaS operators curious about pricing, PLG, and analytics positioningTimestamp:00:00 Intro & why this convo matters for DTC02:00 The C-Corp acquisition story behind heatmap.com06:30 Exact-match domains, SEO, and the inbound engine09:20 GA4 vs Shopify: definitions that change your numbers16:30 RIP Google Optimize: reliable A/B testing in 202518:50 Element-level revenue: RPC, RPS (and RPV coming)22:30 Pixel-level tracking & AI insights (no cookies/PII)26:15 Catching bugs + filtering bots/junk traffic28:40 Social search: TikTok as a top product discovery engine31:20 SaaS pricing & the “McDonald's” strategy36:40 Who should use revenue-based heatmaps (and why)44:30 Contrarian analytics takes you need to hear55:10 Personal: life, music, and loving the gameGuestDylan Ander — Founder, heatmap.com (revenue-based heatmaps, funnels, analytics for ecom). Mentions his upcoming book, Billion Dollar Websites.

#271 GTM Engineering | In this episode, Dave is joined by John Short, CEO of Compound Growth Marketing, along with Cammy Keiler, Justin Johnson, and Dan Guenet. Together, they break down the rise of GTM engineering, what it is, how it differs from RevOps, and why B2B teams are investing in it.Dave and the crew cover:The core difference between RevOps and GTM engineering (and why the latter is more focused on building than just integrating)Real GTM engineering use cases, from AI-powered sales tools to mid-funnel campaigns that go way beyond ebooksHow GTM engineers are driving higher revenue per employee and why this role should be one of your first five marketing hiresWhether you're hiring or just GTM-curious, you'll leave this episode with a clear definition of the role, real-world examples, and tactical ways GTM engineers drive impact.Timestamps(00:00) - – Intro (03:33) - – Why this topic resonated with 1,200+ registrants (05:48) - – What even is **GTM engineering? (08:03) - – GTM engineering vs. RevOps vs. Marketing Ops (11:18) - – How AI is driving this role forward (14:28) - – Real examples: ABM campaigns, mid-funnel tools, sales call analysis (19:38) - – Tools GTM engineers are using today (Clay, Unify, GPTs) (23:03) - – Role of GTM engineering in revenue per employee (27:18) - – How GTM engineers enable sales + reduce headcount (31:33) - – What Dan actually does all day as a GTM engineer (36:23) - – Custom GPTs for sales and marketing teams (39:38) - – What MCP servers are (and why they matter) (44:08) - – Claude, Gamma, and AI-powered content systems (46:53) - – Why this isn't just PLG (or ABM, or RevOps) (50:43) - – When to hire a GTM engineer (53:23) - – Big feelings about the role (and why they exist) (55:33) - – Closing thoughts + what to take away Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.comJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletterCheck out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership***Today's episode is brought to you by Walnut.Why are we pouring all this effort into marketing just to push buyers to a “request a demo” or “contact sales” button?Come on, today's buyers don't want to talk to sales right away. They want to explore your product themselves, see how it works, and understand its value before booking a meeting.That's where Walnut comes in.Walnut empowers marketers and GTM teams to create interactive, self-guided product experiences in minutes. Embed these experiences on your site, in emails, or anywhere in your funnel to let buyers engage on their terms, from awareness to close and beyond. That's the beauty of Walnut - you're getting a platform that your sales and CS colleagues can use to showcase the product too.And the best part? You get real intent data—see which features prospects love, where they drop off, and what's actually driving pipeline. Demo Qualified Leads are the new MQL.Over 500 companies, like Adobe and NetApp, use Walnut to drive 2-3x higher website conversion rates and 7 figures in pipeline on a yearly basis. So do you want to drive more leads, shorten sales cycles, and actually show your product instead of hiding it behind another typical B2B CTA? Go check out Walnut.io. And if you tell them Dave from Exit 5 sent you, they'll build out your first demo for free!

Most product-led businesses are tracking too many metrics and missing the ones that actually matter. They're drowning in data from 35+ different sources while their biggest growth bottlenecks go unnoticed. In this episode, Wes breaks down the exact metrics that matter for product-led growth and reveals the Reverse Funnel Scorecard - a simple tool that pinpoints your #1 bottleneck so you can focus your team's efforts where they'll have the biggest impact. Key Highlights: 01:54: The "vacation bottle" test - What 10 metrics would you track?03:43: The 3 categories of metrics every PLG business needs04:29: The 6 go-to-market metrics that actually matter05:19: What makes a "first strike" vs just clicking around your product06:21: Why tracking key usage indicators prevents churn10:23: The Reverse Funnel Scorecard walkthrough11:01: Why most founders confuse strategy problems with execution problems14:16: Live example walkthrough20:02: Why you should maximize upgrades in week 1 Stop guessing what's broken in your funnel. Use this data-driven approach to identify your biggest growth bottleneck and create focused projects that actually move the needle. Resources: ProductLed Scorecard - 07 Data_ProductLed Scorecard.pdf Reverse Funnel Planner - ProductLed Reverse Funnel Planner Project Summary Template - Project Summary - Template Partner with a ProductLed Implementer to scale your GTM to 8 figures and beyond. Sign up for our weekly newsletter to receive more actionable advice and learn about the best PLG playbooks from fast-growing SaaS companies: ProductLed Newsletter

Is your product really ready to sell itself?Plenty of founders spot Slack, Loom, or Canva and claim, “We'll just go product-led.” The idea feels neat. No big sales team. Faster cycles. Viral growth. Yet Product-led Growth only works when the product already clears tough hurdles for ease, onboarding, and unmistakable value. Miss those, and momentum never starts.In Episode 88 of B2B SaaS Marketing Snacks, host Brian Graf sits down with long-time CMO Stijn Hendrikse to explore why early teams often overrate PLG—and how investors can identify the warning signs before wiring funds.You'll hear hands-on ways to test whether a product can truly pull in its own demand, along with the questions VCs should ask to be sure the numbers make sense.Critical topics in this episodeThe appeal and the reality of PLG:  Why founders romanticize the model and where hidden costs creep in.A “10×” rule for product-market fit:  Milestones that must scale from tens to thousands before PLG is viable.Metrics investors must see:  Value moments and pay–stay–refer ratios (share of users who pay, stick around, and invite others) needed when ARPU is small.Keeping costs in check:  How careless spending on ads, onboarding, or extras can turn a lean approach into a cash fire.Mixing self-serve with sales:  When a small sales touch helps—start small, then grow each account.Using new capital wisely:  Deepening the winning niche instead of chasing every shiny segment.By the end, you'll know how to vet a PLG claim—whether you're shipping code or writing checks. Get ready to rethink the checklist for PLG readiness and to ask sharper questions before betting on a self-service vision. B2B SaaS Marketing Snacks is one of the most respected voices in the SaaS industry. It is hosted by two leading marketing and revenue growth experts for software:Stijn Hendrikse: Author of T2D3 CMO Masterclass & Book, Founder of KalungiBrian Graf: CEO of KalungiB2B SaaS companies move through predictable stages of marketing focus, cost and size (as described in the popular T2D3 book). The best founders, CFOs and COOs in B2B SaaS rely on a balance of marketing leadership, strategy and execution to produce the customer and revenue growth they require. Staying flexible and nimble is a key marketing asset in a hard-charging B2B world.Resources shared in this episode:How to Assess If Your B2B SaaS Company Is Ready for Scalable GrowthBSMS 23 - Product led growth vs. sales led growthLooking for a Startup Marketing Agency? Here's What Every B2B SaaS Founder Needs to Know T2D3 CMO MasterclassSubmit and vote on our podcast topicsABOUT B2B SAAS MARKETING SNACKSSince 2020, The B2B SaaS Marketing Snacks Podcast has offered software company founders, investors and leadership a fresh source of insights into building a complete and efficient engine for growth.Meet our Marketing Snacks Podcast Hosts: Stijn Hendrikse: Author of T2D3 Masterclass & Book, Founder of KalungiAs a serial entrepreneur and marketing leader, Stijn has contributed to the success of 20+ startups as a C-level executive, including Chief Revenue Officer of Acumatica, CEO of MightyCall, a SaaS contact center solution, and leading the initial global Go-to-Market for Atera, a B2B SaaS Unicorn. Before focusing on startups, Stijn led global SMB Marketing and B2B Product Marketing for Microsoft's Office platform.Brian Graf: CEO of KalungiAs CEO of Kalungi, Brian provides high-level strategy, tactical execution, and business leadership expertise to drive long-term growth for B2B SaaS. Brian has successfully led clients in all aspects of marketing growth, from positioning and messaging to event support, product announcements, and channel-spend optimizations, generating qualified leads and brand awareness for clients while prioritizing ROI. Before Kalungi, Brian worked in television advertising, specializing in business intelligence and campaign optimization, and earned his MBA at the University of Washington's Foster School of Business with a focus in finance and marketing.Visit Kalungi.com to learn more about growing your B2B SaaS company. 

#270 Strategy | Dave is joined by Holly Xiao, Head of B2B Marketing at HeyGen, an AI video generation platform that helps teams produce personalized, high-quality content, fast. Holly has led marketing at high-growth startups and now runs the enterprise GTM motion at HeyGen, where she blends strategy, creative execution, and AI-powered workflows to reach modern B2B buyers.Dave and Holly cover:The 4 channels her lean team is betting on to drive enterprise pipeline (and what's not working anymore)How B2B marketers are using AI video for event marketing, sales enablement, onboarding, and beyondWhy SEO is falling short and how HeyGen is shifting focus to webinars, events, and YouTube insteadIf you're figuring out how to use AI in your marketing or just trying to do more with less, this one's full of practical ideas to help you think differently about team structure, channels, and strategy.Timestamps(00:00) - – Intro (03:48) - – Holly's nonlinear path to marketing (06:48) - – Getting started in marketing ops (08:48) - – Why she joined an AI startup (10:48) - – How HeyGen's marketing org works (13:48) - – PLG vs SLG: Key differences (15:48) - – The 4 channels driving pipeline (17:48) - – What's working: Events + webinars (19:48) - – Booth strategy that stands out (24:23) - – Brand vs demand events (26:23) - – Building community and user events (27:53) - – SEO is declining. Now what? (30:23) - – Running marketing in 2-month sprints (33:23) - – Aligning product and marketing cadence (35:23) - – Her daily AI tools (36:53) - – ChatGPT vs Gemini workflows (38:23) - – Real AI video use cases (40:23) - – Personalized event promos with avatars (41:23) - – Support, training, and onboarding videos (42:23) - – Fortune telling and music videos?! (43:23) - – Why AI won't replace marketers Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.comJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletterCheck out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership***Today's episode is brought to you by Walnut.Why are we pouring all this effort into marketing just to push buyers to a “request a demo” or “contact sales” button?Come on, today's buyers don't want to talk to sales right away. They want to explore your product themselves, see how it works, and understand its value before booking a meeting.That's where Walnut comes in.Walnut empowers marketers and GTM teams to create interactive, self-guided product experiences in minutes. Embed these experiences on your site, in emails, or anywhere in your funnel to let buyers engage on their terms, from awareness to close and beyond. That's the beauty of Walnut - you're getting a platform that your sales and CS colleagues can use to showcase the product too.And the best part? You get real intent data—see which features prospects love, where they drop off, and what's actually driving pipeline. Demo Qualified Leads are the new MQL.Over 500 companies, like Adobe and NetApp, use Walnut to drive 2-3x higher website conversion rates and 7 figures in pipeline on a yearly basis. So do you want to drive more leads, shorten sales cycles, and actually show your product instead of hiding it behind another typical B2B CTA? Go check out Walnut.io. And if you tell them Dave from Exit 5 sent you, they'll build out your first demo for free!

In this episode, Wes Bush interviews Gaurav, founder and CEO of Jeeva AI, about how they pivoted from a failed startup to building a $5M ARR AI sales platform in just 8 months.  Gaurav reveals their unconventional approach to being "different not better," and how they recently launched a PLG motion that generated 10,000+ users and $100K ARR in their first week. Key Takeaways: [00:01:32] Gaurav's origin story [00:05:26] Building "the cursor for sales" [00:15:05] The launch strategy: Getting 320 form fills and 27 customers  [00:25:05] The feature trap: Focusing too much on new features instead of funnel optimization  [00:30:01]  The Ogilvy principle that shaped their positioning strategy [00:37:01] Breaking down their Product Hunt launch that generated 900+ upvotes [00:42:12] The two-team approach during transitions [00:51:15] Why product, customers, and hiring/firing are the only three things that matter [00:54:09] How consistent posting (2x daily) grew from 500 to 23,000 followers  [01:01:17] The mindset shift to maintaining high energy Resources: 

How do you build a billion-dollar AI business with Product-Led Growth?Discover the secrets behind Fireflies.ai's unicorn success.In this episode of Liftoff with Keith, Krish Ramineni, Co-founder & CEO of Fireflies.ai, reveals how he scaled the market's leading AI notetaker into a unicorn over a decade-long journey packed with lessons in innovation, product-led growth, and resilience.Once a Microsoft Product Manager, Krish now leads product, design, and GTM at Fireflies, championing a vision where humans and AI collaborate to achieve extraordinary things.

Nobody wants to touch pricing. It's political, it's messy, and if it goes wrong, everyone remembers who led the project. But here's the thing—when it works, it really works.In this episode, Toni and Raul talk about why pricing changes freak people out, what actually happens when you go through with them, and how even small tweaks can drive serious revenue. They've both run pricing projects that paid off big, and they've got the scars to prove it.If pricing's been on your to-do list forever but you keep punting it… this one's for you.(00:00) - Introduction (01:36) - The dread of pricing changes (04:29) - Balancing new prices and losing customers (05:53) - Lead pricing changes without losing your job (08:55) - Who should own pricing changes? (10:10) - Creating a pricing steering committee (12:38) - Consultants in pricing projects (17:00) - Are we over complicating it? (19:44) - Churn and pricing relationship (25:02) - The external and internal narrative (29:47) - Phasing pricing changes (31:10) - Pricing moves in PLG (32:59) - Conclusion

In the latest episode of “Path to Market,” Natasha and Micah are joined by Fanny Talagrand, Head of EMEA sales for startups and SMBs at Stripe to discuss key sales strategies from startups to enterprises. Drawing from her extensive experience in global tech companies like Google Cloud and Stripe, Fanny emphasizes the importance of understanding user needs and journeys, leveraging user feedback, and the different dynamics between selling to startups versus enterprises.She also provides advice for hiring the first sales reps, highlighting the need for candidates to be smart, driven, and coachable. She stresses the significance of onboarding processes and embedding new hires with users early on. Additionally, she explores how to balance product-led growth with enterprise sales and shares metrics to optimize sales performance.Tune in to learn about:how to align sales strategies with the needs and journeys of different types of users;how PLG and enterprise motions can coexist with careful planning and differentiation in user journeys;why as companies grow, including a sales team becomes vital to extend market reach and support users who require more comprehensive solutions;and more practical strategies for founders looking to enhance their sales operations and build successful teams.Here's what's covered:00:00 Introduction to Fannie Talegrand00:46 Fannie's Career Journey03:11 Comparing Sales Strategies at Google Cloud and Stripe09:02 Product-Led vs. Enterprise Motion12:13 Sales Metrics and Funnel Optimization15:14 Differences in Selling to Startups vs. Enterprises22:50 Hiring the Right Sales Leader33:11 Onboarding New Sales Hires38:51 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

Subscribe now to get more insights delivered to your inbox from today's most innovative business leaders and marketing pioneers who are redefining how companies grow in the digital age.Bill Macaitis shares his expertise on Product-Led Growth (PLG), revealing insights from his time as CMO at Slack, Zendesk, and SVP of Marketing at Salesforce where he helped drive remarkable growth through customer-centric strategies.• PLG is about recognizing that people spend more time in products and infusing marketing, sales, and support directly into the product experience• Enterprise software often fails because it prioritizes features over usability, while successful PLG focuses on making products beautifully simple• Freemium models can transform free users into powerful marketing assets—at Slack, Bill saw 10 million free users as an extension of his marketing team• Teams need shared metrics beyond traditional funnel metrics to prevent "warfare" between sales and marketing departments• AI is transforming go-to-market strategies through personalization at scale, enabling outcome-based pricing, and lowering barriers for new businesses• Google faces a classic innovator's dilemma by clinging to search-based revenue while competitors deliver direct answers through AI• Successful PLG implementation requires company-wide commitment rather than just assigning a small "tiger team"Visit SaasCMOPro.com to access Bill's free educational content about product-led growth, freemium models, and modern B2B marketing strategies.When Bill Macaitis talks about product-led growth, he speaks from experience—not theory. As the marketing mastermind behind Slack's explosive expansion, Zendesk's IPO journey, and Salesforce's growth engine, Bill's insights cut through the noise of business buzzwords to reveal what actually works in today's tech ecosystem.Bill dismantles conventional wisdom about enterprise software sales, arguing that, "Most enterprise products suck. They're really hard to use."Bill makes a compelling case for freemium models, challenging the widespread fear of giving away products for free. At Slack, he viewed their 10 million free users not as lost revenue but as "a 10 million strong marketing team" who organically spread the word. The show also addresses the AI revolution reshaping marketing. From enabling personalized engagement at scale to facilitating outcome-based pricing models, AI is lowering barriers to entry for new businesses while forcing established companies to adapt. His assessment of Google's apparent reluctance to fully embrace AI answers ("a classic innovator's dilemma") serves as a powerful warning about the dangers of clinging to outdated business models.Whether you're a CMO wrestling with attribution models, a founder contemplating your first go-to-market strategy, or a business leader navigating technological disruption, Bill's insights will reshape how you think about growth in today's rapidly evolving landscape. Bill Macaitis: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bmacaitis/Bill's was the CMO and CRO at Slack Before that, he was the CMO at Zendesk, guiding them through the through their IPO, and Bill served as SVP of Marketing at Salesforce.Website: https://www.position2.com/podcast/Rajiv Parikh: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rajivparikh/Sandeep Parikh: https://www.instagram.com/sandeepparikh/Email us with any feedback for the show: spark@position2.com

#265 Non-SaaS Marketing | In this episode, Matt sits down with Sandra Rand, a fractional head of marketing who works with early-stage, non-SaaS B2B companies. She's led marketing for PE-backed, self-funded, and services-based businesses, where big budgets and SaaS-style playbooks aren't the norm. She's also building the Non-SaaS Marketers subgroup inside Exit Five to support others facing the same challenges.Matt and Sandra cover:How non-SaaS teams drive growth without demos, PLG, or huge lead volumeWhy events, word of mouth, and referrals often outperform funnels in these orgsTactical ideas for gifting, partnerships, and pipeline-building on a lean budgetWhether you work in SaaS or not, you'll walk away with creative, scrappy strategies to build trust and drive results in B2B.Timestamps(00:00) - – Intro (03:04) - – Why Exit Five launched the Non-SaaS group (08:24) - – What makes non-SaaS marketing different (11:44) - – Budgets, sales cycles, and team structure (16:34) - – Why brand and trust matter more (18:44) - – Events > funnels in non-SaaS (28:40) - – How to build brand on a budget (34:10) - – Word-of-mouth and referral tactics (38:50) - – Gifting and relationship-driven growth (44:50) - – Scrappy, creative plays that actually work (50:20) - – What's next for the Non-SaaS community Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.comJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletterCheck out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership***Today's episode is brought to you by Zuddl.We're halfway through 2025, and one thing's clear: events continue to be one of the highest performing marketing channels. Niche meetups, conferences, curated dinners, networking - you name it. Everyone's leaning in.Events are a core part of our playbook this year at Exit Five. So far, we've hosted two virtual sessions each month, one large virtual event, one in-person meetup, and we're deep in the weeds planning our Drive conference coming back to Vermont this September.Zuddl helps us run a smarter event strategy - from driving registrations, managing invites, automating comms, reminders, analytics, tracking. Their Salesforce integration also makes it simple to report on pipeline and revenue from events without pulling in ops.On top of that, the differentiator with Zuddl is how their team is insanely good at supporting us. They always go above and beyond for us - and that's how we've been able to keep the momentum going with 12+ events already this year, with plenty more to come.If events are part of your marketing strategy, you need to look at Zuddl to see how companies like Zillow, CrowdStrike, and Iterable are using the top event platform for Business events in 2025. Head over to zuddl.com/exitfive to learn more. 

Join us for an insightful episode of The Product Podcast with Jon Noronha, Co-founder of Gamma, an AI-first platform revolutionizing how people create presentations, documents, and websites. Starting in 2020 during the height of shelter-in-place, Gamma has achieved remarkable growth, reaching over 50 million users with a lean team of just 30 people. Most impressively, they went from less than a year of runway to cash-flow positive in just 3 months after pivoting to AI, with 80% of their revenue coming from outside the U.S. - all without a sales team.In this episode, Jon breaks down Gamma's unconventional approach to building AI products, challenging traditional notions of team structure and go-to-market strategy. He shares insights on why they prioritize UX designers over PMs, how they achieved rapid international growth without localization, and their strategic decision to focus on the application layer rather than building their own AI models.What you'll learn:- How Gamma evolved from a presentation tool into a full-blown AI content platform- Why they bet on a design-first team structure with 7 UX designers and no traditional PMs- The technology behind their AI implementation and multi-model approach- How they achieved profitability in 3 months through pure product-led growth- Their strategy for reaching 50M+ users with a team of just 30 peopleEpisode Chapters:(00:00) Gamma's Evolution: From Presentations to AI Platform(15:00) Unconventional Team Structure: Why Designers > PMs(20:00) Product-Led Growth: Zero to 50M Users Without Sales(25:00) AI Integration Strategy: Focusing on User Experience(30:00) International Growth: 80% Revenue Outside USKey Takeaways

Curious about the secrets behind truly successful product-led growth? In this episode of Predictable B2B Success, host Vinay Koshy speaks with Leo Sadeq, a former biomedical engineer who has transitioned into a product and go-to-market specialist. Leo shares his unconventional journey from engineering to the world of startups, delving into the unexpected catalyst that led to a career pivot. Together, they unpack the real wins and common missteps companies make when trying to craft products users love and adopt at scale. Leo brings vivid, firsthand stories about building features that major competitors noticed, turning minor tweaks into massive revenue gains, and harnessing emotional intelligence to create winning teams. He doesn't shy away from discussing the friction between product and marketing, or why most companies get user onboarding and virality wrong. Whether you're a founder struggling with churn, a product manager chasing activation, or just fascinated by how fast-growing SaaS companies operate, you'll find actionable takeaways, cautionary tales, and fresh frameworks inside. Settle in for a conversation that demystifies PLG, challenges “one-size-fits-all” thinking, and offers plenty to ponder on company culture, onboarding, and the power of “aha” moments. Press play for fresh insights and real-world lessons you can't Google. Some areas we explore in this episode include: Switching Careers: Leo's journey from biomedical engineering to startups and product roles.Product Management Wins: Examples of improving onboarding, reducing churn, and boosting conversions.Product-Led Growth (PLG): What PLG means, its company-wide impact, and how it differs from sales-led approaches.Emotional Intelligence: How EQ and company culture influence product and team success.Cross-functional Team Structures: Breaking down silos between product, marketing, and other teams for better PLG outcomes.User Intimacy & Mapping: Deeply understanding user needs and tailoring onboarding for different personas.Onboarding & Conversion Tactics: Strategies to shorten the path from free to paid users.Content & Feature Communication: Balancing education, feature reveal, and delivering value through messaging.Webinars & Podcasts: Leveraging these formats to build trust, community, and brand authority.PLG Pitfalls: Common mistakes, hidden costs, and how to avoid turning PLG into a cost center.And much, much more...

SaaStr 810: AI and the Bottom Line, How Canva Turns Freemium into Conversions with Canva's CCO Rob Giglio Join John Gleason, founder and managing partner at Success Venture Partners, as he interviews Rob Giglio, Chief Customer Officer at Canva. Rob shares his extensive experience leading customer success, sales, and go-to-market functions at top companies like HubSpot, DocuSign, and Adobe. In this episode, Rob delves into his strategic approach to scaling Canva's enterprise business while maintaining the company's unique customer-centric culture. He also discusses the integration of AI to enhance customer experiences and how value-driven customer journeys underpin Canva's growth. Perfect for aspiring CCOs and anyone interested in the intersection of customer success and sales.   00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome 00:29 Rob's Role and Responsibilities at Canva 03:11 Career Journey and Mentorship 07:17 Building Enterprise at Canva 14:20 Customer-Centric Approach 21:42 AI Integration at Canva 24:36 Conclusion and Final Thoughts     ---- This episode of the SaaStr podcast is sponsored by: get.tech The best .coms are taken or overpriced. So you settle on a workaround domain for your website. Don't compromise. Get a clean, sharp .tech domain that instantly says: this is a tech startup. Grab yours at get.tech/saastr or via domain registrars like GoDaddy. ---- Hey everybody, SaaStr AI's next stop takes us to London on December 2nd and 3rd! It's Christmas with SaaStr and 2,000 of the best SaaS and AI leaders.    The biggest names will be there. The best networking.    Early adopter tickets are selling faster than we expected. So don't wait. With only 5 months until the event, we expect this year's SaaStr London event to sell out to capacity.    Use my code jason20pod for exclusive savings. Get your tickets now at podcast.saastrlondon.com or use code jason20pod at checkout.   SaaStr AI London – where SaaS Meets AI in London. See you there.

#263 Marketing Strategy | Dave is joined by Jason Lyman, CMO at Customer.io, a customer engagement platform used by over 7,500 companies. Jason has led marketing at Dropbox, BetterCloud, and now heads a 30-person team driving growth across both PLG and sales-led motions.Dave and Jason cover:How to structure a B2B marketing org for scale, alignment, and channel ownershipWhy events are their #1 channel and how creative formats drive real pipelineThe KPI + OKR system they use to prioritize work and measure marketing's impactYou'll walk away with a clearer understanding of how to design your team, focus your strategy, and invest in channels that actually drive results.Timestamps(00:00) - – Intro (02:34) - – What Customer.io does and who they serve (03:34) - – Growth story: from bootstrapped to private equity-backed (05:34) - – Team size and breakdown of the 30-person marketing org (07:34) - – Balancing PLG and sales-led within one team (09:34) - – How the org is structured: focus teams vs. centers of excellence (11:34) - – Aligning team goals to sales motions and funnel stages (13:34) - – How Customer.io prioritizes internal marketing requests (15:34) - – Avoiding the “who bangs the table loudest” trap (16:34) - – Cross-functional alignment with sales and product (18:34) - – KPI vs. OKR: how Customer.io uses both (22:50) - – Examples of key KPIs for the business (24:50) - – How OKRs cascade across the org (26:50) - – Why structured goal setting leads to better marketing impact (28:50) - – What channels are working: events are back (29:50) - – Examples of creative event formats that build community (31:50) - – Building pipeline without pitching at events (33:50) - – How Customer.io defines and tracks long-term influence (36:50) - – The decline of SEO and rise of AI-influenced buying (38:50) - – Why positioning is more important than ever (40:50) - – Product and marketing alignment in a modern org (42:50) - – Selling both the product and the roadmap (43:50) - – Jason's one wish for marketers: better customer data (45:50) - – Personalization, adaptability, and breaking through the noise (46:50) - – Closing thoughts Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.comJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletterCheck out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership***Today's episode is brought to you by Zuddl.We're halfway through 2025, and one thing's clear: events continue to be one of the highest performing marketing channels. Niche meetups, conferences, curated dinners, networking - you name it. Everyone's leaning in.Events are a core part of our playbook this year at Exit Five. So far, we've hosted two virtual sessions each month, one large virtual event, one in-person meetup, and we're deep in the weeds planning our Drive conference coming back to Vermont this September.Zuddl helps us run a smarter event strategy - from driving registrations, managing invites, automating comms, reminders, analytics, tracking. Their Salesforce integration also makes it simple to report on pipeline and revenue from events without pulling in ops.On top of that, the differentiator with Zuddl is how their team is insanely good at supporting us. They always go above and beyond for us - and that's how we've been able to keep the momentum going with 12+ events already this year, with plenty more to come.If events are part of your marketing strategy, you need to look at Zuddl to see how companies like Zillow, CrowdStrike, and Iterable are using the top event platform for Business events in 2025. Head over to zuddl.com/exitfive to learn more. 

Kim Graves is GM, Americas at Notion, where she oversees all Sales and Customer Success efforts across the region. She brings extensive experience in building and scaling high-performing sales organizations, most notably at Slack where she helped grow revenue from $6M to over $1.5B. In addition to her operational role, Kim serves as a founding partner at 20SALES, a GTM-focused VC firm, where she advises early-stage companies on scaling revenue and optimizing sales processes. Agenda: 07:00 – The Secret to Winning a Discount Conversation 09:30 – Notion's Wild New Sales Method: Mindsets Over Stages 12:00 – Why Great Sellers Never Talk Product Too Soon 14:00 – How Slack Avoided the Biggest PLG Trap of All 17:00 – The Fatal Mistake Founders Make Layering Sales on PLG 20:00 – The “Renaissance Reps” That Build Billion-Dollar Motions 23:00 – How to Spot True Grit in a Sales Hire (Without Asking Directly) 26:00 – The Case Study Test That Filters Out Bullshitters 30:00 – The Real Reason Most Reps Fail Onboarding 33:00 – Should Reps Own Their Own Pipeline? Kim's Take Is Clear 36:00 – Why Cold Calling Works in 2025 (And Nobody Does It) 39:00 – The Sales Team Audit: The REKS Framework That Changes Everything 43:00 – How to Avoid Hiring the Wrong Rep Under Pressure 45:00 – When Sales Feels Second Class: PLG vs Enterprise Tension 47:00 – The One Thing Reps Still Do That AI Will Obliterate 50:00 – AI Sales Tools: Why Every Startup Is Failing to Get It Right 53:00 – Will We Have More or Fewer Reps in 5 Years?  56:00 – Enterprises Are Scared of AI – Here's How You Break In Anyway 59:00 – Kim's Secret for Getting Past Gatekeepers and Fake Champions 1:09:00 – Kim's Hardest Phase at Slack and How She Survived It  

Jake Mor is the founder of Superwall (superwall.com), a mobile app paywall platform that generates $3.6 million ARR with just 12 employees by powering over 100 million paywall views monthly for 3,000 customers. His company processes $25-50 million in customer revenue each month and has built over 4,000 custom paywalls while facilitating 4-5 million new user conversions monthly across their customer base. Jake reveals his exact hybrid PLG-to-enterprise strategy that starts customers at $200-300 monthly on self-serve plans then graduates them to $1,000-1,500 negotiated enterprise deals, plus his AI demand scoring system that delivers 20-30% revenue lifts overnight for apps generating $5-10 million MRR. In this episode, Jake breaks down how 2 lines of code became a $3.6 million business, his white-glove onboarding process that takes over customer paywalls for 4 weeks to prove value, and the failed experiment database that helps customers avoid costly mistakes while achieving conversion rates of 20-30%.