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Olivia Gatwood and Melissa Lozada-Oliva are two internationally-renowned writers and performers who have a lot of questions about things that don't matter. But mostly, they are just two girls who are unfortunately not talking less.

Melissa Lozada-Oliva & Olivia Gatwood


    • Sep 21, 2022 LATEST EPISODE
    • infrequent NEW EPISODES
    • 58m AVG DURATION
    • 72 EPISODES

    4.9 from 354 ratings Listeners of SAY MORE that love the show mention: yup yup, pantry, poetry, normally, best friends, girls, perspectives, genuine, feeling, alone, loud, incredible, love love, beautiful, home, couple, feel like, relatable, conversations, talking.



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    WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT ROE V. WADE w/ PAIGE GREEN

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 21, 2022 50:41


    The gals welcome former guest Paige Green—nurse, doula, star—to talk about the dismal state of reproductive rights in America and how to generally deal.

    EP. 70 - ORIGIN STORIES

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 19, 2022 63:16


    M&O, together at last, talk about how they met the most important people in their lives.

    EP. 69 - ORGASMS APLENTY

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 28, 2022 54:57


    M&O talk (humbly) all things related to cumming: the different genres orgasm, the lack thereof, and why you can't trust your life decisions if you're having good sex.

    EP. 68 - AN ODE TO OUR TWENTIES

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 18, 2022 63:50


    As Melissa and Olivia depart the tragic & exhilarating decade of their twenties, they reminisce on the years they spent being whores in punk houses, sexless in relationships, and a sudden burst of hyper-visibility.

    EP. 67 - MORTALITY w/ ANDREA GIBSON

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 10, 2021 74:58


    Olivia & Melissa go from complete chaos to total enlightenment in a conversation with renowned poet Andrea Gibson about mortality, the industry of death, the afterlife, and their new book YOU BETTER BE LIGHTING.

    EP. 66 - Voyeurism & Sensitive Men

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 15, 2021 49:59


    Olivia & Melissa briefly revisit the theory that Rooney mined their lives, wonder if voyeurism is always sexual, & if they've reached the end of the era of sensitive men. 

    EP. 65 - OUR LIVES, MINED

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 27, 2021 47:23


    O & M talk about the possibility that their lives have been used as fodder for a bestselling novel. Are they self-involved? Or are they right?

    EP. 64 - RETROACTIVE JEALOUSY & OTHER TERRIBLE FEELINGS

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 20, 2021 67:53


    M&O talk about how trauma can make relationships a nightmare but also how you can get better. 

    EP. 63 - ARE WE SMART?

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 8, 2021 51:07


    Melissa & Olivia question whether or not they are smart. Which maybe means they aren't?

    Ep. 62: The Oversharing Industrial Complex

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 16, 2021 86:57


    Melissa and Olivia talk about what it means when celebrities make money off their wounds and the intentions behind oversharing on the internet. They also go into the nuances of being an abolitionist and what it means to publish former abusers. 

    EP. 61 - BAD TV & TOUGH LOVE "PARENTING"

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 13, 2021 64:39


    Melissa & Olivia try to justify their love of melodramatic television & also are in complete denial about their traumatic childhoods.

    EP. 60 - ALTERNATE UNIVERSES

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 24, 2020 57:50


    Melissa & Olivia talk about what could have been. 

    EP. 59 - NORMIE CULTURE

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 1, 2020 71:08


    Olivia & Melissa ponder Instagram script font, barnhouse lifestyle bloggers, women who dream of pumpkin patches, and embroidered towels. 

    EP. 58 - WHAT WE'RE CONSUMING

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 6, 2020 59:43


    As in, media. Not food. Media is our food. We feed on the faux-intimate lives of people we do not know. 

    EP. 57 - BEING PERFORMATIVE & CAPITALISM

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 7, 2020 74:13


    M & O are back, chatting about whether or not they have personalities & what it means to exist inside of a society fueled by consumerism & class warfare :) 

    EP. 56 - CANCEL CULTURE

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 2, 2020 52:28


    Meli & Oli chat about Twitter, accountability, & what it means to be cancelled while working towards restorative justice. 

    EP. 55 - THE FOREMOTHERS OF PRISON ABOLITION

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 17, 2020 65:13


    Melissa & Olivia talk extensively about the lives & work of Angela Davis, Ruth Wilson Gilmore, and Mariame Kaba.

    EP. 54 - PRISON ABOLITION FOR DUMMIES

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 3, 2020 56:44


    Melissa & Olivia answer the five most common questions when talking about abolishing the police & prison. 

    EP. 53 - RUNNING IS MY BOYFRIEND w/ JOSEFINA OLIVA

    Play Episode Listen Later May 27, 2020 40:21


    We talk to Melissa's mom about falling in love with running after her divorce & how, committing to something for three months & then moving onto the next challenge, makes it your boyfriend. 

    EP. 52 - NORMAL PEOPLE & SEX ON SCREEN

    Play Episode Listen Later May 20, 2020 72:17


    O & M talk Normal People and performative sex. 

    EP. 51 - WHAT WE WANNA BE WHEN WE GROW UP

    Play Episode Listen Later May 13, 2020 58:14


    Melissa & Olivia talk about The Self and what becomes of it. 

    EP. 50 - NIHILISM vs. PESSIMISM vs. OPTIMISM vs. ?????

    Play Episode Listen Later May 7, 2020 55:30


    Melissa & Olivia have a little chat about whether they have hope themselves, the world, and the people inside it. 

    EP. 49 - GROUNDHOG DAY

    Play Episode Listen Later May 2, 2020 43:09


    Melissa & Olivia recount what it is they do every single fucking day. 

    EP. 48 - WE RAN OUT OF IDEAS

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 22, 2020 55:33


    so we just talked shit. 

    EP. 47 - WHAT THE FUCK IS COVID-19 w/ JILL GATWOOD

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 15, 2020 67:03


    Olivia & Melissa interview Jill Gatwood AKA Olivia's mom who, yes, she still calls mommy. Old habits die hard. She's an epidemiologist so she knows a lot of stuff that's valuable right now.

    EP. 46 - THE QUESTIONS WE HATE

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 8, 2020 66:20


    Melissa and Olivia answer the questions that started this podcast in the first place: the questions they never want to answer but keep getting asked. But this time, they answer them beautifully and realize that maybe they weren't so bad after all. Does this sound like the summary of a YA novel?

    EP. 45 - HOUSEPLANTS & ROMANTIC COMEDIES

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 1, 2020 57:12


    Melissa & Olivia chat about inheriting a green thumb & letting it bloom in the quarantine, as well as why romantic comedies are, perhaps, the most reliable genre of art throughout history.

    EP. 44 - SOLITUDE HACKS & ELIZABETH WARREN

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 26, 2020 64:41


    Melissa interviews Olivia about the fact that she was already social distancing & Olivia asks Melissa about her tumultuous relationship with Lizzy.

    EP. 43 - HOMETOWNS

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 19, 2020 81:49


    Olivia asks Melissa about her hometown (her mother's kitchen) and Melissa asks Olivia about her's (a desert filled with rusty refrigerators).

    EP. 42 - THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA w/ JOSHUA MCELROY

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 11, 2020 40:33


    Melissa & Olivia interview an Australian they met at Sundance, who is on a journey across America for the first time. 

    EP. 41 - AMERICAN DIRT, REPRESENTATION & TECH BROS

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 4, 2020 56:22


    SEASON 2 STARTS NOW. Melissa & Olivia see each other for the first time in sixteen years - Olivia asks Melissa about the critically not-acclaimed novel American Dirt & the whiteness of the publishing industry, Melissa asks Olivia about the secret world of Tech Bros and that time she partied with Mark Zuckerberg. 

    EP. 40 - BEING A YOUNG POP STAR, GOING INDIE & WHY IS LANA DEL REY DATING A COP? w/ SHAMIR

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 19, 2019 48:14


    Melissa & Olivia chat with Shamir, a musician/icon based out of Philly, who had a taste of arenas and the world of mass produced pop music & chose his mental health instead. 

    EP. 39 - AMAZON, NO MUSIC FOR ICE & BULLYING JEFF BEZOS w/ SADIE DUPUIS

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 12, 2019 45:09


    Sadie Dupuis, poet, multi-instrumentalist, and lead vocalist of Speedy Ortiz, stops by the pod to talk to Olivia & Melissa about starting NO MUSIC FOR ICE, an initiative to keep music out of the hands of corporate monsters and ultimately, bully Jeff Bezos for the rest of his stupid life. 

    Episode 38: DISCWOMAN, Appropriation & the world of techno w/ Frankie Hutchinson

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 5, 2019 48:56


    Olivia & Melissa talk to Frankie Hutchinson of Discwoman, one of the co-founders of a talent agency for electronic music. They also talk about how much they loved Carmen Maria Machado's new book, Melissa's obsession with a Greek Myth, & how Olivia got slammed by a surfboard. 

    EP. 37 MINISODE - ALL OF MY PLANTS ARE TURNING BLACK

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 21, 2019 15:30


    Olivia & Melissa read out spooky stories from listeners, one of which involves a cursed succulent. But maybe all succulents are cursed? Edited, mastered and scored by Natasha Jacobs.

    EP. 36 - SOFAR SOUNDS, SPOTIFY, & HOW CAPITALISM RUINED MUSIC w/ LIZ PELLY

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 14, 2019 49:06


    Olivia & Melissa chat with writer, Liz Pelly, who dives deep into the exploitation of artists by streaming platforms, the appropriation of the "house show" through venues like SoFar Sounds, & how we can be more conscious music listeners.

    EP. 35 - OUR FAVORITE MOVIES & MORE SCARY STORIES

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 8, 2019 53:31


    Melissa & Olivia interview each other about their favorite movies & read aloud listeners spooky stories with an even spookier score. 

    EP. 34 - WE ARE BOTH HAUNTED

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 25, 2019 26:53


    Olivia & Melissa tell the spooky stories of their life. Send yours to saymoresaymorepodcast@gmail.com & they will read them out loud. 

    EP. 33 - THE FREEDOM OF ALTER EGOS w/ BECCA KAUFFMAN PT. 2

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 17, 2019 48:28


    Becca Kauffman stops by SAY MORE to chat about her performative persona, Jennifer Vanilla, what it means to "be yourself", and her new single, ERASE THE TIME, on her EP J.E.N.N.I.F.E.R.

    EP. 33 - THE FREEDOM OF ALTER EGOS w/ BECCA KAUFFMAN PT. 1

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 17, 2019 30:46


    Becca Kauffman stops by SAY MORE to chat about her performative persona, Jennifer Vanilla, what it means to "be yourself", and her new single, ERASE THE TIME, on her EP J.E.N.N.I.F.E.R.

    EP. 32 - Caroline Calloway & Spooky Tour Stories w/ Ellen Kempner

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 9, 2019 59:21


    Olivia & Melissa talk about Caroline Calloway finally (still topical) & are then joined by Ellen Kempner of Palehound (the only Ellen they acknowledge & person who sings the theme song) who tells them some scary stories from touring that Olivia & Melissa are still recovering from. This episode was recorded & mixed by Natasha Jacobs in her Bushwick studio.

    EP. 31 - PUNISHERS & SVU w/ Tamara Santibañez

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 25, 2019 59:36


    Olivia & Melissa are back together in the same room (Natasha Jacobs' Buschwick studio) talking about people who are punishers, the burden of knowledge! They are then joined by multi-disciplinary artist Tamara Santibañez who talks to them about her extensive knowledge on Law & Order SVU. Some topics include: loving cops shows while being an anarchist, anti-kink, Rikers Island, the representation of survivors, comforting formulaic TV, inconsistencies in character, "the twist is incest," & more! They also answer a would-you-rather question at the end that is a great premise for a short story.   

    EP. 30 - EVERYTHING IS A PYRAMID SCHEME

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 18, 2019 33:19


    Melissa & Olivia asked listeners to submit their pyramid scheme stories. Turns out, almost everything is a pyramid scheme. 

    EP. 29 - BIRTHDAYS, DISAPPOINTING PARTIES, AND TURNING THIRTY w/ DIANNELY ANTIGUA

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 11, 2019 68:01


    It's Diannely's thirtieth birthday so we had her read a poem and tell us about all the times she's cried in a bathtub. 

    EP. 28 - SELF-CONFIDENCE, MOTHERS IN LAW, THAT WEIRD NEW NETFLIX MOVIE 'TALL GIRL' w/ AURA

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 4, 2019 67:44


    Melissa & Olivia chat with mixed-media artist & musician AURA about things that help and ruin our confidence, like the media and mothers in law. 

    EP. 27 - LIVE at LIFE OF THE PARTY BOOK RELEASE

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 2, 2019 33:54


    Melissa interviews Olivia about her new book, Life of the Party, which meditates on true crime, fear, and violence against women. Melissa also talks extensively about how hot Olivia's dad is. 

    EP. 26 - QUENTIN TARANTINO, MURDERED WOMEN IN HOLLYWOOD & CHILDISH MEN w/ JOURDAIN SEARLES

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 7, 2019 62:37


    Olivia & Melissa chat with comedian & film critic, Jourdain Searles about how most movies made by men are bad. 

    EP. 25 - BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN, GUY FIERI, FATHERS, & THE OPPOSITE OF EX-HUSBANDS w/ RAX KING

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 24, 2019 49:31


    This week we mourn the temporary loss of Olivia Gatwood with a solo show from our Melissa (Melissa rubbing her hands together, hunched over a smoking cauldron *THE PLAN HAS WORKED!*). Melissa chats with poet Rax King about male icons (yes, they exist), fathers (usually not male icons) & the opposite of an ex-husband (I have no idea what that is because this is Olivia and I wasn't there). 

    EP. 24 - NUDES, CONVENIENCE CULTURE, DOG WALKING & THE GIG ECONOMY w/ BRIAN BURNS

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 17, 2019 74:02


    M & O chat with the most productive person alive—Gwyneth Paltrow herself—Brian Burns about ATM's, invasive nudes, and all of the cities we have in common.

    EP. 23 - CORPORATE FEMINISM w/ JAMIE LOFTUS

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 3, 2019 61:07


    Olivia & Melissa talk with Boss Whom Is Girl creator & comedian Jamie Loftus about the rise of Girl Boss culture, corporate feminism, and the cult of Sheryl Sandberg.

    EP. 22 - NERD CULTURE & DRAG QUEENS w/ GARRETT LUKAS DELLIOS

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 26, 2019 72:03


    Olivia & Melissa interview Dungeons & Dragons fanatic & drag performer (Beef Cakes) Garret Lukas Dellios about obsessive sub-cultures and who loves them. 

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