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The gals welcome former guest Paige Green—nurse, doula, star—to talk about the dismal state of reproductive rights in America and how to generally deal.

M&O, together at last, talk about how they met the most important people in their lives.

M&O talk (humbly) all things related to cumming: the different genres orgasm, the lack thereof, and why you can't trust your life decisions if you're having good sex.

As Melissa and Olivia depart the tragic & exhilarating decade of their twenties, they reminisce on the years they spent being whores in punk houses, sexless in relationships, and a sudden burst of hyper-visibility.

Olivia & Melissa go from complete chaos to total enlightenment in a conversation with renowned poet Andrea Gibson about mortality, the industry of death, the afterlife, and their new book YOU BETTER BE LIGHTING.

Olivia & Melissa briefly revisit the theory that Rooney mined their lives, wonder if voyeurism is always sexual, & if they've reached the end of the era of sensitive men. 

O & M talk about the possibility that their lives have been used as fodder for a bestselling novel. Are they self-involved? Or are they right?

M&O talk about how trauma can make relationships a nightmare but also how you can get better. 

Melissa & Olivia question whether or not they are smart. Which maybe means they aren't?

Melissa and Olivia talk about what it means when celebrities make money off their wounds and the intentions behind oversharing on the internet. They also go into the nuances of being an abolitionist and what it means to publish former abusers. 

Melissa & Olivia try to justify their love of melodramatic television & also are in complete denial about their traumatic childhoods.

Melissa & Olivia talk about what could have been. 

Olivia & Melissa ponder Instagram script font, barnhouse lifestyle bloggers, women who dream of pumpkin patches, and embroidered towels. 

As in, media. Not food. Media is our food. We feed on the faux-intimate lives of people we do not know. 

M & O are back, chatting about whether or not they have personalities & what it means to exist inside of a society fueled by consumerism & class warfare :) 

Meli & Oli chat about Twitter, accountability, & what it means to be cancelled while working towards restorative justice. 

Melissa & Olivia talk extensively about the lives & work of Angela Davis, Ruth Wilson Gilmore, and Mariame Kaba.

Melissa & Olivia answer the five most common questions when talking about abolishing the police & prison. 

We talk to Melissa's mom about falling in love with running after her divorce & how, committing to something for three months & then moving onto the next challenge, makes it your boyfriend. 

O & M talk Normal People and performative sex. 

Melissa & Olivia talk about The Self and what becomes of it. 

Melissa & Olivia have a little chat about whether they have hope themselves, the world, and the people inside it. 

Melissa & Olivia recount what it is they do every single fucking day. 

so we just talked shit. 

Olivia & Melissa interview Jill Gatwood AKA Olivia's mom who, yes, she still calls mommy. Old habits die hard. She's an epidemiologist so she knows a lot of stuff that's valuable right now.

Melissa and Olivia answer the questions that started this podcast in the first place: the questions they never want to answer but keep getting asked. But this time, they answer them beautifully and realize that maybe they weren't so bad after all. Does this sound like the summary of a YA novel?

Melissa & Olivia chat about inheriting a green thumb & letting it bloom in the quarantine, as well as why romantic comedies are, perhaps, the most reliable genre of art throughout history.

Melissa interviews Olivia about the fact that she was already social distancing & Olivia asks Melissa about her tumultuous relationship with Lizzy.

Olivia asks Melissa about her hometown (her mother's kitchen) and Melissa asks Olivia about her's (a desert filled with rusty refrigerators).

Melissa & Olivia interview an Australian they met at Sundance, who is on a journey across America for the first time. 

SEASON 2 STARTS NOW. Melissa & Olivia see each other for the first time in sixteen years - Olivia asks Melissa about the critically not-acclaimed novel American Dirt & the whiteness of the publishing industry, Melissa asks Olivia about the secret world of Tech Bros and that time she partied with Mark Zuckerberg. 

Melissa & Olivia chat with Shamir, a musician/icon based out of Philly, who had a taste of arenas and the world of mass produced pop music & chose his mental health instead. 

Sadie Dupuis, poet, multi-instrumentalist, and lead vocalist of Speedy Ortiz, stops by the pod to talk to Olivia & Melissa about starting NO MUSIC FOR ICE, an initiative to keep music out of the hands of corporate monsters and ultimately, bully Jeff Bezos for the rest of his stupid life. 

Olivia & Melissa talk to Frankie Hutchinson of Discwoman, one of the co-founders of a talent agency for electronic music. They also talk about how much they loved Carmen Maria Machado's new book, Melissa's obsession with a Greek Myth, & how Olivia got slammed by a surfboard. 

Olivia & Melissa read out spooky stories from listeners, one of which involves a cursed succulent. But maybe all succulents are cursed? Edited, mastered and scored by Natasha Jacobs.

Olivia & Melissa chat with writer, Liz Pelly, who dives deep into the exploitation of artists by streaming platforms, the appropriation of the "house show" through venues like SoFar Sounds, & how we can be more conscious music listeners.

Melissa & Olivia interview each other about their favorite movies & read aloud listeners spooky stories with an even spookier score. 

Olivia & Melissa tell the spooky stories of their life. Send yours to saymoresaymorepodcast@gmail.com & they will read them out loud. 

Becca Kauffman stops by SAY MORE to chat about her performative persona, Jennifer Vanilla, what it means to "be yourself", and her new single, ERASE THE TIME, on her EP J.E.N.N.I.F.E.R.

Becca Kauffman stops by SAY MORE to chat about her performative persona, Jennifer Vanilla, what it means to "be yourself", and her new single, ERASE THE TIME, on her EP J.E.N.N.I.F.E.R.

Olivia & Melissa talk about Caroline Calloway finally (still topical) & are then joined by Ellen Kempner of Palehound (the only Ellen they acknowledge & person who sings the theme song) who tells them some scary stories from touring that Olivia & Melissa are still recovering from. This episode was recorded & mixed by Natasha Jacobs in her Bushwick studio.

Olivia & Melissa are back together in the same room (Natasha Jacobs' Buschwick studio) talking about people who are punishers, the burden of knowledge! They are then joined by multi-disciplinary artist Tamara Santibañez who talks to them about her extensive knowledge on Law & Order SVU. Some topics include: loving cops shows while being an anarchist, anti-kink, Rikers Island, the representation of survivors, comforting formulaic TV, inconsistencies in character, "the twist is incest," & more! They also answer a would-you-rather question at the end that is a great premise for a short story.   

Melissa & Olivia asked listeners to submit their pyramid scheme stories. Turns out, almost everything is a pyramid scheme. 

It's Diannely's thirtieth birthday so we had her read a poem and tell us about all the times she's cried in a bathtub. 

Melissa & Olivia chat with mixed-media artist & musician AURA about things that help and ruin our confidence, like the media and mothers in law. 

Melissa interviews Olivia about her new book, Life of the Party, which meditates on true crime, fear, and violence against women. Melissa also talks extensively about how hot Olivia's dad is. 

Olivia & Melissa chat with comedian & film critic, Jourdain Searles about how most movies made by men are bad. 

This week we mourn the temporary loss of Olivia Gatwood with a solo show from our Melissa (Melissa rubbing her hands together, hunched over a smoking cauldron *THE PLAN HAS WORKED!*). Melissa chats with poet Rax King about male icons (yes, they exist), fathers (usually not male icons) & the opposite of an ex-husband (I have no idea what that is because this is Olivia and I wasn't there). 

M & O chat with the most productive person alive—Gwyneth Paltrow herself—Brian Burns about ATM's, invasive nudes, and all of the cities we have in common.

Olivia & Melissa talk with Boss Whom Is Girl creator & comedian Jamie Loftus about the rise of Girl Boss culture, corporate feminism, and the cult of Sheryl Sandberg.

Olivia & Melissa interview Dungeons & Dragons fanatic & drag performer (Beef Cakes) Garret Lukas Dellios about obsessive sub-cultures and who loves them.