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More and more people are defining themselves as "Spiritual But Not Religious". But what does that mean? Nathan Clarkson and Joseph Holmes interview academic and author Dr King-Ho Leung for answers. References and resources Spiritual definition: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/spiritual Spirit definition: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/spirit Number of Americans spiritual but not religious: https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2023/12/07/who-are-spiritual-but-not-religious-americans/ Websites The Overthinkers: theoverthinkersjournal.world Nathan Clarkson: nathanclarkson.me Joseph Holmes: linktr.ee/JosephHolmes Dr. King Ho-Leung: www.kcl.ac.uk/people/king-ho-leung
Kankelfritz & Friends are joined by author and actor Nathan Clarkson on his new book as he shares how to face our faults. Also, what new flavor of jello being released that have some scratching their heads.
Nathan Clarkson discusses the importance of self-reflection and acknowledging our faults as a pathway to forgiveness and redemption. He shares personal stories and insights on how facing our darkness can lead to healing, the role of community in this journey, and the distinction between shame and guilt. He also touches on the impact of performance-based faith, cancel culture, and the strength found in vulnerability and dependence on God.
Hey Friend! In this candid and inspiring conversation, I sit down with actor, filmmaker, and author Nathan Clarkson to discuss brokenness, humility, and the surprising freedom that comes from admitting our faults. Nathan shares the heart behind his new book, The Worst: How Freedom Is Found in Admitting Our Faults, and opens up about his personal journey of confronting pride, perfectionism, and hidden struggles. Together, we explore why we resist acknowledging our weaknesses, how shame keeps us stuck, and why God’s grace meets us most powerfully in our honesty. This episode is a refreshing reminder that freedom doesn’t come from pretending we have it all together—it comes from surrender, humility, and embracing the unconditional love of Christ. Don’t forget - I am still giving away a copy of A Verse a Day for the Anxious Soul by Becky Keife! All you need to do is - Leave a podcast review Rate the show (five stars if it blessed you!) One or two sentences is all it takes A winner will be announced on an upcoming episode. And remember, I'd love to connect more on Instagram, where you'll find me at @donnaajones. And don’t forget to subscribe so you don’t miss a single episode! Xo, Donna Listen in to learn more : [0:00:13] Owning Our Brokenness Opens the Door to Freedom[0:04:40] The World Is Broken—and It’s Not Just “Their” Fault[0:10:36] Brokenness Isn’t a Wall; It’s a Bridge to Unconditional Love[0:15:03] God as Doctor: No Condemnation, Only Restoration[0:19:13] True Strength Is Admitting You Need Help Donna’s Resources: Order a copy of my latest book - Healthy Conflict, Peaceful Life: A Biblical Guide to Communicating Thoughts, Feelings, and Opinions with Grace, Truth, and Zero Regret. It is available anywhere books are sold– here is the link on Amazon. If you need a helpful resource for someone exploring faith and Christianity or simply want to strengthen your own knowledge, you’ll want a copy of my book, Seek: A Woman’s Guide to Meeting God. It’s a must for seekers, new believers, and those who want to deepen their confidence in their faith. Connect with Nathan Website: nathanclarkson.mePodcast: The Overthinkers Podcast Book I’m The Worst: How Freedom Is Found in Admitting Our Faults Connect with Donna Instagram: @donnaajones Website: www.donnajones.org Donna’s speaking schedule: https://donnajones.org/events/ Discover more Christian podcasts at lifeaudio.com and inquire about advertising opportunities at lifeaudio.com/contact-us.
How do you raise your kids such that they stay in your faith? Nathan Clarkson and Joseph Holmes discuss with celebrated author and speaker Sally Clarkson--who raised four children who all stayed Christian, including Nathan--what she did and what other religious parents can do. References and resources The rise of the nones: https://www.graphsaboutreligion.com/p/the-nones-have-hit-a-ceiling People who stay in vs leave their childhood faith: https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2025/12/15/why-do-some-americans-leave-their-religion-while-others-stay/ Majority of kids check out of their faith by 8th and 10th grades: https://ifstudies.org/blog/secularization-begins-at-home Authoritative parenting vs authoritarian and permissive: https://ifstudies.org/blog/parenting-is-the-key-to-adolescent-mental-health Fathers especially mattering for faith transmission: https://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/01/us/book-explores-ways-faith-is-kept-or-lost-over-generations.html?_r=0 Websites The Overthinkers: theoverthinkersjournal.world Nathan Clarkson. nathanclarkson.me Joseph Holmes: linktr.ee/JosephHolmes Sally Clarkson: sallyclarkson.com
In this episode, Carrie sits down with Nathan Clarkson, an actor, author, and podcast host, to talk about how scrupulosity, guilt, and contamination fears shaped his faith and how grace slowly rewrote that story.Episode Highlights:Nathan's early experience with OCD and how it shaped his faithHow contamination OCD and scrupulosity often intertwineWhy OCD creates a distorted, harsh view of GodThe difference between OCD guilt and true convictionWhat it means to accept God's forgiveness—even when it doesn't feel trueHow healing can grow in small, almost unnoticed steps when you walk with God and safe peopleNathan's book I'm the Worsthttps://www.amazon.com/Im-Worst-Freedom-Admitting-Faults/dp/0825449871Connect with Nathan: Instagram: @nathanjclarksonExplore the Empowered Mind: Christian ICBT for OCD: https://carriebock.com/training/ Carrie's services and courses: carriebock.com/services/ carriebock.com/resources/Follow us on Instagram: www.instagram.com/christianfaithandocd/and like our Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/christianfaithandocd for the latest updates and sneak peeks.
In the Apostle Paul's 1st Biblical letter to Timothy, Paul writes that Christ came into the world to save sinners. He follows that up by stating that he is the foremost sinner.This is sometimes translated as Paul being “chief of sinners” and even as him being, plainly, “the worst.”It's this idea that Christian actor, writer, and podcaster Nathan Clarkson uses to justify the title of his new book: “I'm The Worst.”Nathan's work goes against the cultural current.In an age where many loud voices urge us to put away thoughts of self-criticism and turn instead toward radical self-acceptance, Nathan argues that to truly value ourselves is to understand where we have failed and where we need to grow.Furthermore, Nathan encourages his readers to spend less time bemoaning the people who are making the world worse and more time actively working on what we can do to make the world better.Nathan has acted in The Purge, Silicon Valley, FBI: Most Wanted, Past Lives, and many other movies and TV shows. In addition to acting Nathan has produced multiple feature films through his production company, Clarkson's Creations. He is also a Publishers Weekly Bestselling Author for his book Finding God in Hollywood, among others.Religion Unplugged's Culture Critic, Joseph Holmes regularly co hosts a podcast with Nathan called The Overthinkers, so this week, the pair sat down on our podcast, to discuss Nathan's personal cycles of failure and self-improvement, the ways we villainize the people who differ from us, and how a self-critical mindset can still coincide with self-love.
One of the biggest reasons people aren't getting married is that they can't find the right person. But how do you find the right person? Joseph Holmes and Nathan Clarkson discuss with sociologist and researcher Dr. Wendy Wang. References and resources: Marriage rates dropping: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/02/america-marriage-decline/681518/ Is having a boyfriend embarassing? https://www.vogue.com/article/is-having-a-boyfriend-embarrassing-now Majority want to marry but can't find the right person: https://ifstudies.org/blog/why-americans-arent-getting-married-and-having-kids-and-how-to-fix-that Websites The Overthinkers: theoverthinkersjournal.world Nathan Clarkson: nathanclarkson.me Joseph Holmes: https://linktr.ee/JosephHolmes Wendy Wang: https://ifstudies.org/about-us/wendy-wang
Why are romance novels so popular? Particularly with women? Nathan Clarkson and Joseph Holmes ask actress and author Keelia Clarkson why they resonate, ahead of her own upcoming romance novel "Chapter One Again". Romance movie's popularity with women https://oxfordre.com/literature/display/10.1093/acrefore/9780190201098.001.0001/acrefore-9780190201098-e-415 https://www.theatlantic.com/books/2025/10/romance-fiction-genre-open-elite-popularity/684445/ https://www.shelf-awareness.com/issue.html?issue=5002#m67973 Websites The Overthinkers: theoverthinkersjournal.world Nathan Clarkson: nathanclarkson.me Joseph Holmes: josephholmesstudios.com Keelia Clarkson: keelia.me Chapter One Again (Avila Falls Series): https://www.amazon.com/dp/151401372X
Do you ever feel like you need to fix yourself before God can love you? Here's what it actually looks like to let God into your mess instead of hiding it. Author, actor, and filmmaker Nathan Clarkson shares his personal journey of growing up in the church, hiding behind a “good Christian” image, and how freedom finally came when he stopped pretending and started being honest with God. Want more? Check out Nathan's book, I'm the Worst: How Freedom is Found in Admitting Our FaultsScripture referenced:1 Corinthians 12:27Romans 12:3-131 John 4:191 Samuel 13:14; 2 Samuel 11-12Matthew 7:3-5Genesis 3:12John 4:1-43About Nathan Clarkson:Website | Instagram | The Overthinkers PodcastNathan's YouVersion plans:Uniquely Made: 10 Scripture Prayers to Nurture Your Child's Heart | The Way of Kings | Good ManNathan's favorite Bible study tools:NLT | Leather Journal | BibleGateway | YouVersion Got a question or something on your heart? We'd love to hear it! Drop us a note — your feedback helps us create episodes that truly encourage and inspire.Join our community! If you are a Christian woman seeking to know God deeper, study Scriptures, pray with and for others, strengthen your faith, and support other in doing the same, this is the place for you. Support the show
In his new book, I'm The Worst, and in the conversation we had on today's new podcast, Nathan explores the necessity of acknowledging and paying attention to our brokenness, as it is the conduit to freedom and redemption, not a hindrance.
Is thinking we're good people or inherently sinful better for us? Nathan Clarkson and Joseph Holmes discuss Nathan's new book "I'm the Worst: How Freedom is Found in Admitting Our Faults". Sin - The Bible Project: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNOZ7ocLD74 Original Sin - BBC: https://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/christianity/beliefs/originalsin_1.shtml Doctrine of Sin - Roman Catholic Cathecism: https://www.vatican.va/content/catechism/en/part_three/section_one/chapter_one/article_8/ii_the_definition_of_sin.html Doctrine of Sin - Mockingbird: https://mbird.com/theology/hiding-in-plain-sight-the-lost-doctrine-of-sin/ Definition of sin - Desiring God: https://www.desiringgod.org/messages/what-is-sin-the-essence-and-root-of-all-sinning Richard Dawkins thinks the doctrine of sin is “hideous”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5f6Lar8Qp0E Albert Ellis critiquing the doctrine of sin: https://content.time.com/time/subscriber/article/0%2C33009%2C865989-2%2C00.html Authoritative parenting vs authoritarian and permissive: https://ifstudies.org/blog/parenting-is-the-key-to-adolescent-mental-health https://ifstudies.org/blog/do-your-political-beliefs-affect-your-parenting- Serial killers are unmade, not made: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/aug/10/what-makes-a-serial-killer Most aggressive people are males at the age of two: https://archive.nytimes.com/well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/12/16/terrible-twos-who-stay-terrible/ Websites The Overthinkers: theoverthinkersjournal.world Nathan Clarkson: nathanclarkson.me Joseph Holmes: josephholmesstudios.com
In this episode, I sit down with Nathan Clarkson, author of I'm the Worst, for an honest conversation about brokenness, shame, confession, and freedom. Nathan shares what it was like growing up in a well-known Christian family, learning how to perform moral goodness while hiding the parts of himself he didn't know how to face, and how confronting that reality became the beginning of healing rather than the end of the story. We talk about moral superiority, cancel culture, and the ways fear turns both politics and church life into tribes instead of communities. We also dig into the difference between shame and conviction, why confession and forgiveness matter so much for spiritual formation, and how dehumanization always leads to harm. This conversation is for anyone who is tired of polarized Christianity and is looking for a more honest, freeing, and love-shaped way forward.Nathan Clarkson is the author of I'm the Worst, and an award-winning actor, a Netflix-trending filmmaker, and best-selling author of several books, including Different and Uniquely You. He is a podcast philosopher on the award-winning show The Overthinkers. Nathan writes regularly on the intersection of faith and culture for the Patheos column Cross Cultural and has been featured in outlets such as the Today Show, LA Times, Variety, and Relevant Magazine. Find out more at nathanclarkson.me.Nathan's Book:I'm the WorstNathan's Recommendation:The Hidden Habits of GeniusConnect with Joshua: jjohnson@shiftingculturepodcast.comGo to www.shiftingculturepodcast.com to interact and donate. Every donation helps to produce more podcasts for you to enjoy.Follow on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, Threads, Bluesky or YouTubeConsider Giving to the podcast and to the ministry that my wife and I do around the world. Just click on the support the show link belowGet Your Sidekick Support the show
Why is it important for all of us--but particularly Christians--to forgive others? And how do we do it without allowing evil to triumph? Nathan Clarkson and Joseph Holmes discuss with author and educator Yana Jenay Conner, unpacking lessons from her book: Living Beyond Offense: Doing the Hard Work of Forgiveness God's Way. References and resources Forgiveness definitions: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/forgive https://www.apa.org/topics/forgiveness Websites The Overthinkers: theoverthinkersjournal.world Nathan Clarkson: nathanclarkson.me Joseph Holmes: https://linktr.ee/JosephHolmes Yana Jenay Conner: https://www.yanajenay.com/
What does it really mean to love our enemies? And how do we do it without allowing evil? Joseph Holmes and Nathan Clarkson discuss with author, apologist, and theoretical chemist Dr. Neil Shenvi. References and resources: Rabbi Shai Held on Christianity's Loving Enemies: https://religionunplugged.com/news/2024/3/26/book-review-judaism-is-about-love-shatters-stereotypes-about-the-hebrew-bible Nietzsche on “slave morality” in Christ's teachings: https://bigthink.com/personal-growth/the-master-and-slave-moralities-what-nietzsche-really-meant/ Early Church Fathers on Nonviolence: https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/themelios/article/nonviolence-in-the-ancient-church-and-christian-obedience/ New Advent: Augustine on will to love our enemies to change them to friends: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/170208.htm Martin Luther King Jr. on Loving Your Enemies: https://www.plough.com/en/topics/life/forgiveness/love-your-enemies Websites The Overthinkers: theoverthinkersjournal.com Nathan Clarkson: nathanclarkson.me Joseph Holmes: josephholmesstudios.com Neil Shenvi: https://shenviapologetics.com/ Neil Shenvi's new book: "Post Woke: Asserting a Christian Vision of Race, Gender, and Sexuality" Nathan Clarkson's new book: "I'm the Worst: How Freedom is Found in Admitting Our Faults" Joseph Holmes's new film: "Jim vs the Future"
It's a new year, and everyone wants to make positive life changes. So how do you make real ones that last? Joseph Holmes and Nathan Clarkson discuss their own experience and the research on the topic. References and resources Americans are becoming less satisfied with their lives - record low of 44%: https://news.gallup.com/poll/655493/new-low-satisfied-personal-life.aspx 30% of Americans make New Year's Resolutions: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/01/29/new-years-resolutions-who-makes-them-and-why/?utm_source=chatgpt.com Only 10% of Americans keep their resolutions: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-years-resolutions-tips-why-they-fail/ New years resolutions are global and historical: https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/article/history-of-new-years-resolutions How to stick with your resolutions. Actionable steps + accountability. https://fisher.osu.edu/blogs/leadreadtoday/why-most-new-years-resolutions-fail Small steps - knowing why you're doing it: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/arthur-brooks-new-years-resolutions-happiness/ Fantasize about process, not results: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/09/manifestation-positive-thinking-happiness/679695/ Websites Overthinkers: theoverthinkersjournal.com Nathan Clarkson: nathanclarkson.me Joseph Holmes: linktr.ee/JosephHolmes
Why do so many people choose to be religious? What draws people to embrace belief? Joseph Holmes and Nathan Clarkson discuss with filmmaker Rian Johnson, his new film "Wake Up Dead Man" and the themes of faith his movie brings up. References and resources Global religious population: https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2025/06/09/how-the-global-religious-landscape-changed-from-2010-to-2020/ American religious population: https://religionunplugged.com/news/2025/12/8/us-religious-decline-stalls-as-new-pew-data-shows-stabilization-even-among-young-adults Jon Stewart on faith: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSmrEVjQdG8 Arthur Brooks on faith: https://www.hks.harvard.edu/faculty-research/policy-topics/public-leadership-management/happiness-may-be-decline-we-can-all Websites The Overthinkers: theoverthinkersjournal.world Nathan Clarkson: nathanclarkson.me Joseph Holmes: josephholmestudios.com Rian Johnson: https://x.com/rianjohnson
The Bible--and the wider culture--agree: "It's better to give than to receive". But is that what the data says? And why would that be? Joseph Holmes and Nathan Clarkson discuss with insights from Dallas Jenkins, who discusses the DVD release of his film "The Best Christmas Pagaent Ever". References and resources: What happens to your brain when you give vs receive: https://www.apa.org/topics/mental-health/brain-gift-giving Websites The Overthinkers: theoverthinkersjournal.world Nathan Clarkson: nathanclarkson.me Joseph Holmes: josephholmesstudios.com Dallas Jenkins: https://www.instagram.com/dallas.jenkins/?hl=en
Everyone talks about getting in the Christmas spirit. But what is the Christmas spirit? And how do you have it? Joseph Holmes and Nathan Clarkson discuss. References and resources Christmas spirit definition: https://www.facebook.com/fb.oed/posts/oed-wordoftheday-christmas-spirit-na-mood-or-attitude-appropriate-to-the-christm/1136215868511469/, https://www.oed.com/dictionary/christmas-spirit_n?linkId=300000019641113&fbclid=IwY2xjawN314hleHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETFUSnNKSDY4UGRoSDI4WWFwc3J0YwZhcHBfaWQQMjIyMDM5MTc4ODIwMDg5MgABHvA0QL5PLZnJNTCoP7-DaWOfA5jOZJH18DOtdASApamvn0lrpaHtACOMgfw0_aem_Ah8kEn_mj7ADGUERhyJgwA Measuring the Christmas spirit: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/stretching-theory/202212/now-you-can-measure-christmas-spirit? A Christmas Carol Influence: https://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/anthropology-in-practice/what-is-christmas-spirit/ Religious meaning of the Christmas spirit: https://ca.thegospelcoalition.org/columns/straight-paths/the-christmas-spirit/ Christmas Stress: https://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2023/11/holiday-season-stress Websites The Overthinkers: theoverthinkersjournal.world Nathan Clarkson: nathanclarkson.me Joseph Holmes: josephholmesstudios.com
What was the world like that CS Lewis and JRR Tolkien wrote their stories in? And how did their work change things? Joseph Holmes and Nathan Clarkson discuss with author and historian Dr. Joseph Loconte. References and resources: Tolkien and Lewis fantasy influence: https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/abs/cambridge-companion-to-fantasy-literature/tolkien-lewis-and-the-explosion-of-genre-fantasy/47A1D63A6D2D6F2553664D98F0F2EC1D Lewis and Tolkien's influence through their fantasy writing and school curriculum: https://aeon.co/essays/the-rise-and-fall-of-the-oxford-school-of-fantasy-literature?utm_source=chatgpt.com Lewis and Tolkien influence on Christian thought leaders: https://www.christianitytoday.com/2000/04/books-of-century/ Lewis books sold: https://www.cslewis.com/us/about-cs-lewis/ Tolkien books sold: https://200.hc.com/stories/j-r-r-tolkien-and-the-trilogy/ Websites The Overthinkers: theoverthinkersjournal.world Nathan Clarkson: nathanclarkson.me Joseph Holmes: linktr.ee/JosephHolmes Joseph Loconte: https://sagamoreinstitute.org/joseph-loconte/
We hear a lot about the importance of pursuing your dreams. But which dreams? Joseph Holmes and Nathan Clarkson discuss. References and resources: Pew research: https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2023/09/14/what-makes-for-a-fulfilling-life/#:~:text=When%20asked%20what%20it%20takes,Gender Marriage matters more for happiness than career: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/17/opinion/marriage-happiness-career.html Fantasizing about dreams kills goals, fantasizing about process helps achieve them: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/09/manifestation-positive-thinking-happiness/679695/ Most people do not achieve their goals: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2980864/ Nearly half of Americans very satisfied with their lives: https://news.gallup.com/poll/610133/less-half-americans-satisfied-own-lives.aspx The changing definitions of “calling”: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/how-do-we-know-our-calling-with-dr-william-klein/id1510271421?i=1000684667698 Websites: The Overthinkers: theoverthinkersjournal.com Nathan Clarkson: nathanclarkson.me Joseph Holmes: josephholmesstudios.com Link to watch Joseph Holmes' debut feature film, "Jim vs the Future": https://linktr.ee/JosephHolmes
Should we try to convert others to our beliefs? Joseph Holmes and Nathan Clarkson welcome American film director Justin Lin (director of multiple Fast and Furious movies) to discuss his new film "Last Days" about the 26-year-old Christian missionary John Chau, who died trying to convert the North Sentinel Island people. References and resources: Conversion definition: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/conversion https://www.oed.com/dictionary/conversion_n#8281191 Benefits of missionaries: https://www.christianitytoday.com/about/stories/the-unexpected-good-news-about-missionaries/ Websites The Overthinkers: theoverthinkersjournal.world Nathan Clarkson: nathanclarkson.me Joseph Holmes: linktr.ee/JosephHolmes Justin Lin: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0510912/ Last Days film: https://www.lastdays-movie.com/
What are the Medieval virtues? How are they related to the seven deadly sins? And how can they help us today? Joseph Holmes and Nathan Clarkson are joined by scholar and author Dr. Grace Hamman to answer these very questions. References and resources: https://www.britannica.com/event/Middle-Ages Websites The Overthinkers: theoverthinkersjournal.world Nathan Clarkson: nathanclarkson.me Joseph Holmes: josephholmesstudios.com Dr. Grace Hamman: https://gracehamman.com/
What are real-life exorcisms like? Joseph Holmes and Nathan Clarkson interview real-life exorcist Reverend Dan Todd on our latest episode. References and resources https://www.history.com/articles/exorcisms-christianity-gospels-movie https://bigthink.com/thinking/history-of-exorcism/ Websites The Overthinkers: theoverthinkersjournal.world Nathan Clarkson: nathanclarkson.me Joseph Holmes: josephholmesstudios.com Rev. Dan Todd: https://www.ourladyofdivinemercyac.net/about-us
Vampires have been a part of our mythology and pop culture for centuries. But why do they remain so popular? Joseph Holmes and Nathan Clarkson discuss. References and resources: History of Vampires https://www.history.com/articles/vampire-history Blesses Twilight (Movie) Let the Right One In (Movie) Dracula Has Risen from the Grave (Movie) Curses Vampire Diaries (TV Show) Bram Stoker's Dracula (Movie) Websites The Overthinkers: theoverthinkersjournanl.world Nathan Clarkson: nathanclarkson.me Joseph Holmes: josephholmesstudios.com
Do monsters, cryptids, and urban legends like Bigfoot and the Loch Ness Monster exist? If so, how would we know for certain? Joseph Holmes and Nathan Clarkson discuss with hosts of the Campfire Files podcast: Colin Blackburn and Kara Russo. References and resources History of Bigfoot: https://www.history.com/articles/bigfoot-legend-newspaper Belief in Bigfoot, aliens, and loch ness monster on rise: https://civicscience.com/u-s-belief-in-sasquatch-has-risen-since-2020/ Websites The Overthinkers: theoverthinkers.world Nathan Clarkson: nathanclarkson.me Joseph Holmes: josephholmesstudios.com Campfire Files: https://campfirefiles.podbean.com/
It seems like today we're more afraid than ever. So how do we handle these fears? And how do we help our children handle fears? Joseph Holmes and Nathan Clarkson discuss with legendary singer and filmmaker Steven Taylor--who's new scary family film "Sketch" has brought such questions into the spotlight. References and resources Why fear is so powerful: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/tech-happy-life/202008/why-it-feels-the-end-the-world-even-when-its-not How to overcome fear: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/unpacking-anxiety/202312/facing-your-fears Why anxiety is rising: https://www.afterbabel.com/p/mental-health-liberal-girls “Sketch” controversy: https://religionunplugged.com/news/2025/8/28/on-religion-angel-studios-sparks-debate-with-scary-faith-film Joseph Holmes' review of “The Anxious Generation https://lawliberty.org/book-review/what-the-smartphone-hath-wrought/ Websites The Overthinkers: theoverthinkersjournal.world Nathan Clarkson: nathanclarkson.me Joseph Holmes: josephholmesstudios.com
Most people feel like there's something wrong with our modern world. But what exactly is it? Joseph Holmes and Nathan Clarkson discuss with writer and thinker Paul Kingsnorth, unpacking his new book "Against the Machine". References and resources: How cell phones made life worse: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2022/05/social-media-democracy-trust-babel/629369/ Dropping confidence in US instititons: https://news.gallup.com/poll/647303/confidence-institutions-mostly-flat-police.aspx Blesses Time Out of Joint (Book) You are a Tree (Book) Weapons (Movie) The Master and his Emissary (Book) Wounded By Love (Book) Curses Idiocracy (Movie) Eddington (Movie) AI (Technology) Websites The Overthinkers: theoverthinkersjournal.world Nathan Clarkson: nathanclarkson.me Joseph Holmes: josephholmesstudios.com Paul Kingsnorth: paulkingsnorth.net
What does it mean to be disenchanted? And why are so many people talking about the need to re-enchant the world? Nathan Clarkson and Joseph Holmes discuss with special returning guest, author, editor, and culture writer Dr. Joy Clarkson. References and resources: Definition of disenchantment: https://www.britannica.com/topic/disenchantment-sociology Against Re-Enchantment, By Joy Clarkson: https://www.plough.com/en/topics/faith/supernatural/against-reenchantment Websites The Overthinkers: theoverthinkersjournal.world Nathan Clarkson: nathanclarkson.me Joseph Holmes: josephholmesstudios.com
How can we know anything for certain? Joseph Holmes and Nathan Clarkson welcome back author and academic Dr. Zak Schmoll to discuss the ever-pesky problem of epistemology. References and resources: https://www.britannica.com/topic/epistemology Blesses Foe (Book) Biblical Knowing (Book) Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade (Movie) Interstellar (Movie) The Murder of Roger Ackroyd (Book) Curses Foe (Movie) Zodiac (Curse) Life of Pi (Curse) The Multiverse (Trope) Websites The Overthinkers: theoverthinkersjournal.world Nathan Clarkson: nathanclarkson.me Joseph Holmes: josephholmesstudios.com Zak Schmoll: https://www.zacharydschmoll.com/
Is social media making us dumber? Is it making us worse? Nathan Clarkson and Joseph Holmes give social media a grade and give advice on how to be smarter about your use of your online socials. References and resources: Social media is making us dumber: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2022/05/social-media-democracy-trust-babel/629369/ https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/11/opinion/social-media-dumber-steven-pinker.html https://www.theatlantic.com/newsletters/archive/2025/01/nicholas-carr-is-the-internet-making-us-stupid/681517/ Social media is (probably) not making us dumber: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/unique-everybody-else/201904/social-media-probably-isn-t-making-you-stupid Blesses New York Times Games (App) Chess (App) The Social Network (Movie) Catfish (Documentary) The Anxious Generation (Book) Curses The Circle (Movie) The Social Dilemma (Documentary) Social Media Bots Social Media Friends Websites The Overthinkers: theoverthinkersjournal.world Nathan Clarkson: nathanclarkson.me Joseph Holmes: josephholmesstudios.com
Homelessness is something everyone agrees is a problem. Yet, no one seems to know how to solve it. Scholar, speaker, community activist and author of From Dropout to Doctorate Dr. Terrence Lester joins Nathan Clarkson and Joseph Holmes to share his life story and data-driven solutions on how to make a difference in the lives of those experiencing this devastating life situation. References and resources Homelessness definition: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/homeless Homelessness stats: https://www.britannica.com/topic/homelessness Websites The Overthinkers: theoverthinkersjournal.world Nathan Clarkson: nathanclarkson.me Joseph Holmes: josephholmesstudios.com Terrence Lester: https://terencelester.com/
Is the church not supportive enough of the arts? What would such support look like? Nathan Clarkson and Joseph Holmes talk to Brian Brown of the Anselm Society and Imagination Redeemed Podcast on this latest episode. References and resources Art definition: https://www.britannica.com/art/visual-arts Banning theatrical portrayals of religion: https://lithub.com/why-was-shakespeare-wary-of-writing-about-religion/ Why the church should support the arts: https://thecollision.org/its-time-for-the-church-to-unleash-its-artists%EF%BF%BC/ Why the church should be balanced on the support of the arts: https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/kevin-deyoung/the-church-and-the-arts-some-common-ground-and-some-common-sense/ Blesses Sistine Chapel (Art) The Anselm Society (Organization) The Hephzibah House (Organization) Greenhouse (Organization) Hollywood Prayer Network (Organization) The Agony and the Ecstasy (Movie) Handel's Messiah (Music) People Creating New Art in Dialogue with the Old Stuff (Artists at Spotify Playlist: anselmsociety.org/theoverthinkers) Curses The Hayes Code (Hollywood Code) Babylon (Movie) CCM Industrial Complex (Music Industry) Websites The Overthinkers: theoverthinkersjournal.world Nathan Clarkson: nathanclarkson.me Joseph Holmes: josephhomlmesstudios.com Brian Brown: anselmsociety.org/overthinkers
As more and more people are questioning the usefulness of higher education, it's worthwhile to ask: what is the purpose of education in the first place? Joseph Holmes and Nathan Clarkson discuss with educator and cultural apologist Annie Crawford. References and resources: What students want from college: https://www.insidehighered.com/blogs/higher-ed-gamma/true-purpose-college-education Why young people are abandoning college: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/education/why-more-americans-are-skipping-college Historical development of modern education: https://www.brookings.edu/articles/why-understanding-the-historical-purposes-of-modern-schooling-matters-today/ CS Lewis on education: https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/52604-education-without-values-as-useful-as-it-is-seems-rather Martin Luther King Jr. on education: https://kinginstitute.stanford.edu/king-papers/documents/purpose-education Websites: Nathan Clarkson: nathanclarkson.me Joseph Holmes: josephholmesstudios.com Annie Crawford: anniecrawford.net
Our culture, and our entire political system, is based on the idea that discussion and debate can change hearts and minds. But is that a lie? Nathan Clarkson and Joseph Holmes discuss. References and resources Exposure to alternative viewpoints causes us to dig in our heels: https://www.weforum.org/stories/2018/04/actually-social-media-isn-t-an-echo-chamber/ Cognitive bias: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-baby-scientist/202406/changing-hearts-and-minds Our mental map: https://www.turing.ac.uk/blog/facts-dont-change-minds-and-theres-data-prove-it Persuade people through relationships: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/may/18/change-mind-evidence-arguing-social-relationships Persuade people through better forms of debate: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/evidence-based-living/201811/proven-ways-change-someone-s-mind https://ed.ted.com/lessons/how-can-you-change-someone-s-mind-spoiler-facts-don-t-work-so-well-hugo-mercier Websites The Overthinkers: theoverthinkersjournal.world Nathan Clarkson: nathanclarkson.me Joseph Holmes: josephholmesstudios.com
Millennials and Gen Z love authenticity. But is authenticity all it's cracked up to be? Joseph Holmes and Nathan Clarkson investigate and give their takes. References and resources: Definition: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/authentic Definition and history: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/authenticity/ Present debates about authenticity: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/authenticity Is authenticity overrated? https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/return-stillness/201909/is-authenticity-overrated https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbesbooksauthors/2022/11/22/authenticity-is-overrated-building-a-more-effective-leadership-style/ When do people feel most authentic? https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0092656618302964 Blesses We Are Not as Strong as We Think We Are (Song) Ragamuffin (Movie) The Life of Chuck (Movie) Curses Materialists (Movie) How to Be Single (Movie)
Everyone wants to be happy. But for so many, it seems so out of reach. What's the secret? Joseph Holmes and Nathan Clarkson discuss on our latest episode. References and resources Definition: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/happiness Less than half of Americans are happy: https://news.gallup.com/poll/610133/less-half-americans-satisfied-own-lives.aspx Philosophers on happiness: https://www.weforum.org/stories/2016/06/13-great-philosophers-on-the-secret-of-happiness/ Scientists on happiness: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/01/magazine/happiness-research-studies-relationships.html Americans say career over committed relationship: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2020/02/14/more-than-half-of-americans-say-marriage-is-important-but-not-essential-to-leading-a-fulfilling-life/ Americans spending less time with friends: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/02/america-decline-hanging-out/677451/ Mental state or well-being: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/happiness/#MeaHap Macronutrients of happiness: https://www.cnbc.com/2024/04/20/arthur-c-brooks-the-3-macronutrients-of-happiness.html Global Flourishing Study: https://www.christianitytoday.com/2025/05/global-flourishing-study-good-life/ Websites The Overthinkers: theoverthinkersjournal.world Nathan Clarkson: nathanclarkson.me Joseph Holmes: josephholmesstudios.com
Today lots of people are turning against experts. But is this wise? What are the problems with relying on experts and what are the problems with rejecting them? Joseph Holmes and Nathan Clarkson discuss. References and resources Expert definition: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/expert Trust in science has gone down: https://www.pewresearch.org/science/2023/11/14/americans-trust-in-scientists-positive-views-of-science-continue-to-decline/#:~:text=As%20trust%20in%20scientists%20has,in%20ratings%20of%20scientists%20generally. Why Americans don't trust experts: https://www.vox.com/vox-conversations-podcast/23030205/vox-conversations-michael-lewis-against-the-rules-experts Reasons not to trust the experts: https://medium.com/@theo.seeds/5-reasons-why-trusting-the-experts-is-dumb-b2faaed734f2 Blesses The Actor's Handbook (Book) Moneyball (Movie) Curses Jordan Peterson's Biblical Series (TV Series) Sully (Movie) Websites The Overthinkers: theoverthinkersjournal.world Nathan Clarkson: nathanclarkson.me Joseph Holmes: josephholmesstudios.com
What is a victim mentality? How do you know you have it and how do you overcome it? Nathan Clarkson and Joseph Holmes discuss. References and resources Victim mentality definition: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/victim%20mentality https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/what-is-a-victim-mentality https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/putting-psyche-back-into-psychotherapy/202401/the-agony-and-ecstasy-of-victimhood Why victim mentality is growing https://www.afterbabel.com/p/mental-health-liberal-girls Why victim mindset is a myth https://medium.com/@mirawriter/why-victim-mindset-is-a-myth-655abf07f3aa Victimhood defines our politics https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0065260124000169 Blesses Thunderbolts (Movie) Drop (Movie) Curses Self-diagnosis (Phenomenon) Shadow of God (Movie)
Everyone who has ambitious goals has probably at some point dealt with impostor syndrome. So what is it? And how do we overcome it? Joseph Holmes and Nathan Clarkson discuss with best-selling author, podcast host, and sought-after business coach Mary Marantz. Further Reading Imposter Syndrome definition: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/impostor%20syndrome Imposter Syndrome history: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/neuroscience-in-everyday-life/202308/the-history-of-imposter-syndrome Blesses The Secret Life of Walter Mitty (Movie) 16 Personalities (Website) Dear Evan Hansen (Broadway) How to Train Your Dragon (Animated Movie) Shrinking (TV Show) Curses Neon Demon (Movie) Hitman (Movie) 1923 (TV Show) Websites The Overthinkers: theoverthinkersjournal.world Nathan Clarkson: nathanclarkson.me Joseph Holmes: josephholmesstudios.com Mary Marantz: https://marymarantz.com/
Most people have either struggled with an addiction or know someone who has. So how does one overcome addiction? Joseph Holmes and Nathan Clarkson invite bestselling author, psychotherapist, Enneagram teacher, and Episcopal priest Ian Morgan Cron to bring insight and empathy to this important topic. References and rescources Addiction definition: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/addiction National Institute on Drug Abuse data: https://nida.nih.gov/about-nida/legislative-activities/budget-information/fiscal-year-2024-budget-information-congressional-justification-national-institute-drug-abuse/ic-fact-sheet-2024 https://nida.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/2023/12/reported-drug-use-among-adolescents-continued-to-hold-below-pre-pandemic-levels-in-2023 Websites The Overthinkers: theoverthinkersjournal.world Nathan Clarksson: nathanclarkson.me Joseph Holmes: josephholmesstudios.com Ian Cron: https://ianmorgancron.com/
What is beauty? Does it matter? If so, why? Joseph Holmes and Nathan Clarkson discuss with bestselling author and podcaster Andew Klavan. Further reading Beauty definition: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/beauty Philosophers on beauty: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/beauty/ Modern people on beauty: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/12/07/opinion/andre-aciman-why-is-beauty-important.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/03/well/live/awe-wonder-dacher-keltner.html Blesses Christ at the Column (Painting) Fahrenheit 451 (Book) Ecclesiastes (Book in The Bible) Mount Lincoln (Nature) Come Sweet Death (Music) Conclave (Movie) Keelia Clarkson (Nathan's wife) Wildcat (Movie) Ode on a Greecian Urn (Poem) Ode to the West Wind (Poem) Curses Black Painints by Goya (Paintings) Dead Poets Society (Movie) Anything that is untrue Websites Overthinkers: theoverthinkersjournal.world Nathan Clarkson: nathanclarkson.me Joseph Holmes: josepholmesstudios.com Andrew Klavan: andrewklavan.com
If you're a parent, you're a unique child of God called to raise unique children of God. But how do you do that when you're so different from your child? Mom and son Sally and Nathan Clarkson will tell their story about the way this worked in their relationship. If you're trying to change your child in some way, don't miss the conversation on Chris Fabry Live. Featured resource:Uniquely You: Exploring Your Child's Extraordinarily Distinctive Design For more information about the work of Care Net, click here. Chris Fabry Live is listener-supported. To support the program, click here.Become a Back Fence Partner: https://moodyradio.org/donateto/chrisfabrylive/partnersSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
What is shame? And how do we overcome it? Joseph Holmes and Nathan Clarkson discuss with celebrated author Aimee Byrd her book "Saving Face" about her own journey of shame and healing. Further reading: Shame definition: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/shame Shame vs guilt: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/shame#:~:text=Shame%20can%20breed%20feelings%20of,can%20erode%20trust%20over%20time. Is shame bad? https://brenebrown.com/articles/2013/01/15/shame-v-guilt/ Is shame good? https://www.vox.com/first-person/2019/4/18/18308346/shame-toxic-productive Overcoming shame: https://www.gottman.com/blog/how-to-deal-with-shame/#:~:text=Instead%20of%20%E2%80%9Cbeing%20shame%2C%E2%80%9D,vulnerable%20stories%20in%20safe%20environments. Blesses The Soul of Shame (Book) Godzilla Minus One (Movie) The Mule (Movie) Adolescence (TV Show) TIll We Have Faces (Book) Curses White Lotus Season 3 (TV Show) All Fours (Book) Cabrini (Movie) Yellowstone (TV Show) Websites: The Overthinkers: theoverthinkersjournal.world Nathan Clarkson: nathanclarkson.me Joseph Holmes: josepholmesstudios.com Aimee Byrd: https://aimeebyrd.com/
Is religion in decline or are we headed for a revival? Joseph Holmes and Nathan Clarkson discuss with America's leading political scientist Ryan Burge. Further resources Karl Marx thought religion would disappear: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2009/jun/29/marx-religion-philosophy-opium Durkheim thought religion would decline/disappear: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0037768614560959?icid=int.sj-abstract.citing-articles.15#:~:text=While%20Durkheim%20held%2C%20as%20did,Pickering%2C%201984:%20445). Declining religion around the world: https://www.worldvaluessurvey.org/WVSNewsShow.jsp?ID=433#:~:text=From%202007%20to%202020%2C%20an,place%20among%20the%20American%20public. https://www.axios.com/2023/10/06/organized-religion-decline-agnostic-atheist-nonreligious Religious populations having the most kids:https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2022/12/21/key-findings-from-the-global-religious-futures-project/ Religious in America have the most kids: https://ifstudies.org/blog/americas-growing-religious-secular-fertility-divide Rise of “Nones” appears to have halted: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/26/us/christianity-us-religious-study-pew.html Blesses The Pitt (TV Show) Small ChurchesThe American Religious Landscape (Book)Hacksaw Ridge (Movie) Curses The White Lotus (TV Show)The Righteous Gemstones (TV Show)God's Not Dead (Movie)The Front Room (Movie) Websites The Overthinkers: theoverthinkersjournal.worldNathan Clarkson: nathanclarkson.meJoseph Holmes: josephholmesstudios.comRyan Burge: graphsaboutreligion.com
Why do people beome (and stay) Christians or any religion whatsoever? Joseph Holmes and Nathan Clarkson welcome Nathan Sherrer on the show to discuss their testimonies and what they think that says about faith and belief in the world. Links to more resources: Reasons why people believe in God https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-pursuit-peace/201712/the-psychology-religion https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/talking-apes/201808/why-do-people-believe-in-god Intellectuals returning to faith: https://www.thefp.com/p/how-intellectuals-found-god-ayaan-hirsi-ali-peter-thiel-jordan-peterson Blesses The World Ends with You (Video Game) Mob Psycho 100 (Anime) All Fired Up (Song) Evidence for Chrisitanity (Book) Mere Christianity (Book) Blue Like Jazz (Book) On Guard (Book) Curses Facing the Giants (Movie) The Eternals (Movie) Law of Attraction (Book) The God Delusion (Book) Website The Overthinkers: theoverthinkersjournal.world Nathan Clarkson: nathanclarkson.me Joseph Holmes: josephholmesstudios.com
On today's extra podcast episode, Sally and Nathan discuss how what we watch influences us, and what we "should" watch as people who seek to cultivate lives of beauty and goodness.
Everyone loves Jesus. But who was Jesus? Was he just a historical figure, or was he someone you can have a relationship with today? Joseph Holmes and Nathan Clarkson discuss with beloved author John Eldredge Americans positive view of Jesus: https://www.barna.com/research/openness-to-jesus/ Americans belief in Jesus divinity: https://www.barna.com/research/what-do-americans-believe-about-jesus-5-popular-beliefs/ Bart Ehrman on Jesus: https://ehrmanblog.org/who-was-jesus/ Personal relationship with Jesus not in Bible:
OUR FAMILY MUSIC ACADEMY:Affordable and effective online weekly music lessons designed for families. https://www.voetbergmusicacademy.comUse coupon code: PODCASTVMA for 10% off each month-Get it All Done Club: Stop drowning in motherhood and start thriving! https://www.nowthatwereafamily.com/get-it-all-done-clubIs your life just too complicated to ever feel peaceful? Learn how to create a peacefully productive home in one week. Check out Katie's Free Home Management Masterclass: https://www.nowthatwereafamily.com/peacefully-productive-home-masterclass-Sally Clarkson is a Discipler. Over the course of her life and marriage, she has continually called women to step into their God-given roles as lifegivers and influencers. She and Clay met through Campus Crusade for Christ (Cru) during college and went on staff together in 1975. Sally ministered to students in Texas, discipled women in Communist Eastern Europe, and returned in 1980 to work with executive women and singles in Denver where Clay was beginning seminary studies at Denver Seminary. They were married a year later, in Dallas where they first met. After graduation, they served in international ministry in Vienna, Austria, served on the staff of two churches, and then started Whole Heart Ministries in 1994. Their four children, now all grown, are serving Christ in different ways around the world and online, through books, music, speaking, and film. Sally and Clay have recently expanded their ministry to mothers and Christian parents in the UK. Sally has currently written 33 books. Podcast - “At Home With Sally” - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/at-home-with-sally/id1041509070Website - https://sallyclarkson.com/Blog - https://sallyclarkson.com/blogBooks - https://sallyclarkson.com/books-1Most recent books:- “Uniquely You” by Sally Clarkson & Nathan Clarkson - https://amzn.to/4aDEHNP- “Well Lived: Shaping a Legacy of Gratitude and Grace”by Sally Clarkson - https://amzn.to/4aM9eZF