Can We Talk About It? with Debi Ghate

As protests raged across the country in 2020 following the killing of George Floyd, radicals clad in black clothes and face masks emerged on the scene to stoke the chaos and incite violence; foot soldiers for a shadowy network known as Antifa. While its roots stretch back to World War II Nazi Germany, much public confusion remains today regarding Antifa's philosophy and intentions. Join Kyle Shideler, a senior analyst for the Center for Security Policy, and CWTAI host Debi Ghate, for a fascinating discussion about the origins of Antifa and its plot to establish a global communist state through anarchy, violence, racial division and the elimination of mainstream politics in America and elsewhere. Follow Debi Ghate (@GhateDebi) on Twitter You can connect with us on social media!Twitter, Facebook, Instagram and YouTube 

The raging debate over racism and social justice is highly complex and there are no easy answers, “but if we're not permitted to have a robust conversation about them, we will not fashion good social policy,” said David Bernstein, founder of the Jewish Institute for Liberal Values, on the most recent episode of “Can We Talk About It?” Bernstein joined host Debi Ghate to give his perspective on the race debate and discuss the consequences of dividing society into oppressor and oppressed, the relationship between discouraging conversation and polarization and his campaign to get back to Martin Luther King's vision of a colorblind society.

Recorded in front of a live audience at Philanthropy Roundtable's annual meeting in Colorado Springs, this episode of "Can We Talk About It?" features businessman and self-described “independent thinker” U.S. Congressman Byron Donalds Representative for Florida's 19th congressional district. Donalds talks with host Debi Ghate about how he rose from poverty to prosperity, why Congress is so polarized, what rapper Monebagg Yo can teach us about political decision-making and what critical race theorists get wrong about American history.

How do we end America's new fascination with the failed and dangerous ideologies of communism and socialism, especially among our nation's young people? For Wes Kemp, it's all about education. Kemp became a passionate advocate for capitalism as he rose from the loading docks of a major trucking company to become its CEO. Now he teaches the “logistics of capitalism” to aspiring business leaders. Join Host Debi Ghate as she talks with Kemp about his fight to dispel the myths about capitalism while extolling its virtues.

Before nine Black students took their first steps inside Little Rock Central High School in 1957, testing the Supreme Court's Brown v. Board of Education ruling for the first time, the most important educational institutions for Black students in the South were the 4,977 Rosenwald Schools co-founded by philanthropist Julius Rosenwald. According to Robert Stanton, the vice board chair of the Julius Rosenwald National Park Campaign, these Rosenwald schools should be memorialized as national historic sites, just like Little Rock Central High School, so no one can forget their importance. This week, Stanton, who also served as head of the National Park Service, joins Debi Ghate for a conversation about his childhood in segregated Texas, his career in the National Park Service and the courageous parents who pushed for desegregated schools and educational excellence for their children. Follow Debi Ghate (@GhateDebi) on Twitter You can connect with us on social media!Twitter, Facebook, Instagram and YouTube 

Threatened by a group of men outside a comedy club, Erik Weyant fired two shots in the air from his legal handgun to scare them off. No one was harmed, but Weyant was arrested for aggravated assault and given a choice. He could accept a plea bargain for three years in prison or fight the charges and risk Florida's mandatory 20-year sentence. Weyant lost in court, but he kept fighting from prison and ultimately won his freedom. Hear his incredible story and what it tells us about the need for criminal justice reform.Follow Debi Ghate (@GhateDebi) on Twitter You can connect with us on social media!Twitter, Facebook, Instagram and YouTube Links of interest:“The Vanishing Trial” focuses on four individuals who were forced to make that excruciating choice.

Do prosecutors hold too much power in our criminal justice system? Is their job like the job shown on “Law and Order”? In this episode, Alissa Marque Heydari, deputy director of the Institute for Innovation in Prosecution, joins host Debi Ghate to share her experience as a line prosecutor and her vision of the criminal justice system. They'll discuss the range of decisions made by prosecutors in a system that relies so heavily on plea deals, plus the shift from incentives based on conviction rates and plea deals to a broader range of sentencing options outside of prison.Follow Debi Ghate (@GhateDebi) on Twitter You can connect with us on social media!Twitter, Facebook, Instagram and YouTube 

Watch any late-night comedy show, and one state receives the brunt of the jokes more than the rest: West Virginia. For many people, the state is synonymous with rural economic disadvantage, and unfavorable media coverage to this end dates back more than a century to the Hatfield-McCoy feud. This week, Cardinal Institute Executive Director Garrett Ballengee joins host Debi Ghate to discuss the misconceptions Americans have about West Virginia. They'll explore the successes and opportunities in West Virginia, as well as the Cardinal Institute's work to reduce restrictions to opportunities for West Virginians and to shift conceptions of the state.Follow Debi Ghate (@GhateDebi) on Twitter You can connect with us on social media!Twitter, Facebook, Instagram and YouTube 

In the flood of information on social media, both opinions and statements of fact are shared freely, accurate and inaccurate alike. When a false statement of fact about an individual damages his reputation, however, it could qualify as libel. This week, UCLA law professor Eugene Volokh, founder of the Volokh Conspiracy blog, joins host Debi Ghate to discuss what qualifies as libel, both civilly and criminally, the state of free speech in the university, and the ethical and moral considerations of public discourse within legal limits.Watch our interview on YouTubeFollow Debi Ghate (@GhateDebi) on Twitter You can connect with us on social media!Twitter, Facebook, Instagram and YouTube 

When students and alumni raised concerns with the Rye City School District (NY) about their treatment as students of color, the school district responded by launching a task force, involving an organization that affirmed race-based programming to "settle the debts we owe for our overdue national sins." In this week's episode Julie Killian, mother of five children, former elected official and active member of her community, joins Debi Ghate to discuss the petition to remove the organization from the project and to create a task force committed to fighting bigotry rather than encouraging it, as well as the realities of inclusion in secondary schools for students of all skin colors.Follow Debi Ghate (@GhateDebi) on Twitter You can connect with us on social media!Twitter, Facebook, Instagram and YouTube 

How did the man who launched Sears Roebuck & Co. into the distribution revolution also revolutionize education for Black students in the segregated South, establishing an astonishing 4,977 schools? In this week's episode, Julius Rosenwald National Parks Campaign Board Member Curtis Valentine joins host Debi Ghate to share the incredible story of Julius Rosenwald's philanthropy and Curtis's personal connection to the schools, the campaign to establish a National Park for the Rosenwald Schools and the importance of school choice today.Follow Debi Ghate (@GhateDebi) on Twitter You can connect with us on social media!Twitter, Facebook, Instagram and YouTube 

In the 2020 election, Californians voted down Proposition 16 – a measure that would repeal the state constitutional amendment that prohibits preference or discrimination in public schools, public employment and public contracting (Prop. 209). Executive Director for Californians for Equal Rights Wenyuan Wu joins host Debi Ghate in this week's episode to share the story of the campaign against Prop. 16 and affirmative action, the support of the Asian-American and immigrant community in their efforts and the way in which people of all political persuasions united to keep the constitutional principle of equal treatment.   Watch the full interview on our YouTube Channel.Follow Debi Ghate (@GhateDebi) Twitter You can connect with us on social media!Twitter, Facebook, Instagram and YouTube 

In this episode, Philanthropy Roundtable President and CEO Elise Westhoff joins Debi Ghate for a special conversation about her experience in the philanthropic sector and what inspired her to lead Roundtable with its mission to strengthen a free society. Westhoff shares her direct experiences with both generous donors and with those in the philanthropic sector who are seeking to “bridge” across differences. Finally, Westhoff discusses some of the Roundtable's recent work, including some op-eds that have sparked controversy as well as a new campaign the Roundtable has launched: True Diversity. Hear directly from Elise Westhoff, who as always, speaks here from the heart.Watch the full interview on our YouTube Channel.Follow Elise Westhoff (@WesthoffElise) on TwitterFollow Debi Ghate (@GhateDebi) Twitter You can connect with us on social media!Twitter, Facebook, Instagram and YouTube 

Are socioracial dynamics reducible to two categories: The oppressor and the oppressed? Some argue that this reduction fails to recognize the depth of the complexity within each person. However, Chloé Valdary, founder of the Theory of Enchantment, believes that both the oppressor and the oppressed are suffering – and resentment and vengeance only cause more suffering. This week, she joins host Debi Ghate to share the ideas behind her antiracism program The Theory of Enchantment – and how, through teaching a person to show love and compassion to themselves, owning even the parts of themselves they don't like, they can begin to show that same love and compassion to others.Check out the Theory of EnchantmentWatch the full interview on our YouTube ChannelFollow Debi Ghate (@GhateDebi) Twitter You can connect with us on social media!Twitter, Facebook, Instagram and YouTube This interview was recorded on April 9, 2021.

(Warning: This episode discusses sensitive themes such as sexual assault. Listener discretion is advised.)Victims of sexual violence often have a difficult time talking about their experiences, and this is true around the world. What happens when that violence is linked to immigrants and minorities, as it has in Europe? The topic becomes even more of a taboo. In her second appearance on Can We Talk About It? Ayaan Hirsi Ali joins host Debi Ghate to talk about the theme of her book “Prey: Immigration, Islam, and the Erosion of Women's Rights.” They'll address some of the complex issues that have arisen as a "rape epidemic" has emerged in some European countries.Watch the full interview on our YouTube ChannelFollow Debi Ghate (@GhateDebi) Twitter You can connect with us on social media!Twitter, Facebook, Instagram and YouTube 

In 2020, crime statistics showed curious trends – while homicides spiked, property crime rates and jail populations both decreased. While the prediction of crime can be difficult, the data and trends can inform conversations and policies. This week, Jake Horowitz, director of the Public Safety Performance Project at Pew Charitable Trust, joins host Debi Ghate in a 2020-recorded interview. They'll discuss the data, racial disparity in incarceration rates, the decrease in jail populations in 2020, the zero-sum game of public safety budgets and Pew Charitable's work with state leaders to reinvest resources. This interview was recorded on December 18, 2020.

Is it possible to seek diversity without labeling others? Honest diversity cares about seeking to understand the plurality within each other, says Irshad Manji, director of Moral Courage ED at Let Grow, their new course “Diversity without Division” and author of the book “Don't Label Me: How to Do Diversity Without Inflaming the Culture Wars.” This week, Irshad joins host Debi Ghate to talk about this idea of plurality, leading by listening to understand and standing your ground with integrity while also seeking common ground.Check out the Moral Courage ED course: "Diversity Without Division: Introducing Educators to the Moral Courage Method." Watch this or our other compelling interviews on our YouTube Channel This interview was recorded on April 2, 2021.

Is it possible to undo past discrimination through new discrimination? Professor of Law at Cornell University William Jacobson would argue "no," but his expression of this point of view has brought condemnation – first by outsiders to the organization, then by faculty and student boycotts in response to his writings on controversial topics at his blog Legal Insurrection (est. 2008). In this week's episode, he joins Debi Ghate to address mandated anti-racism training, critical race theory and freedom of speech in the university, and his new project CriticalRace.org.  Watch the full interview on our YouTube ChannelThis interview was recorded on March 24, 2021.

For years, critics of philanthropy have called for increased regulations around the ways foundations choose to spend their funds. Those calls have increased recently. In this week's episode, Carrie Tynan, a 5th generation executive director of the Adolph Coors Foundation joins Debi Ghate to discuss these criticisms. They discuss the realities of earning a position in a family foundation, founder Bill Coors' intent to give people the opportunity to develop self-reliance, personal responsibility, and integrity to reach their full potential, plus their decision to support non-profits based on the mission and outcomes, rather than the outward identities of the people they serve.This interview was recorded on March 5, 2021Watch the full interview on our YouTube Channel

Rick Turner was the youngest child in his family and helping others was his way of life. After the loss of several family members, he struggled with mental illness and increased drug and alcohol abuse. During an undercover operation, at 37, he was arrested, convicted and sentenced to 40 years in prison on four counts of drug crimes and having a firearm while dealing drugs. The gun did not belong to him, nor did he use it. He had no prior criminal record. Amid appeals for prison transfer, Rick Turner died in prison in Colorado on June 13, 2019. Joining Debi Ghate, Rick's sister Mandy Richards shares the story of her brother's life, her search for answers to his death and the urgent need for reform in the criminal justice system.Interview was recorded in November, 2020Watch the full interview on our YouTube Channel

As the political climate ebbs and flows, victories and opinions in the courtroom can often last for generations. This week, Carrie Ann Donnell of American Juris Link joins Debi Ghate to discuss the pro bono work of public interest litigation, the coordination between public interest firms to protect the rights of defendants, and the necessity of firms' donor privacy, as they litigate on many sensitive and controversial issues.This interview was recorded on January  22, 2021Watch the full interview on our YouTube Channel

Having taken in 10 foster children and adopted four, CEO and founder of Gen Justice Darcy Olsen is intimately aware of the grim reality of the foster care system. In this week's episode, she joins Debi Ghate to talk about both the joys and heartbreak of fostering – and the work she does with Gen Justice to ensure the legal protection and to protect the rights of the approximately 400,000 children in foster care.Read: Arizona Passes Law to Provide Lawyers for Abused and Abandoned Children.This interview was recorded on December 17, 2020

Is there such a thing as a shared American identity? Is one even possible when we have a lack of shared vocabulary and interaction with those who think differently from us? John Wood, Jr., national ambassador for Braver Angels, joins Debi Ghate to discuss his close, personal experience with individuals of various beliefs and backgrounds. He describes the work of Braver Angels to reinvigorate conversation and reduce political polarization, by humanizing partisan opponents – and hopefully discover why they see the world the way they do. We may not agree with one another, but we will understand one another better, a necessary step to improving discourse.Watch the full interview.This interview was recorded on February 23, 2021

The mission of the American Contemporary Ballet is to "produce and present choreographic works of the highest quality that exemplify dance as a musical art form." Yet there have been loud threats and demands that the company and its troupe declare themselves aligned with political causes, sign statements or even change its dance repertoire. ACB's director Lincoln Jones talks with host Debi Ghate this week about the nature of ballet, his company and the ideas threatening the essential freedom and individual voice and expression of the artists.Sign up to watch ACBTV The interview was recorded on March 19, 2021

On March 26, 2021 the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 6th Circuit ruled in favor of Philosophy Professor Nicholas Meriwether in the case of Meriwether v. Trustees of Shawnee State University. What was this case all about? In January of 2018, Meriwether refused to call a biologically male student by the requested pronouns “she/her.” Although he offered to refer to the student by any proper noun requested, his university threatened disciplinary action and later issued an ultimatum. Joining Debi Ghate, Nicholas and attorney Tyson Langhofer discuss the ideological implications of a pronoun, freedom of religion and free speech and the very purpose of the university in this week's episode.Watch the full interview This interview was recorded on December 21, 2020.

Around the 60s and 70s, conversations around civil rights and racial equity began to shift from a focus on color blindness and equality of opportunity to color consciousness and equality of results. In this episode, Debi Ghate is joined by Heritage Foundation Senior Fellow Mike Gonzalez as they explore the historical development of critical race theory and race-conscious policies, and the role philanthropy has played in it, identity politics, and his new book “The Plot to Change America.”The Identity Politics Policy Portfolio by Mike Gonzalez.Watch the full interview.This interview was recorded on December 9, 2020.

Can privilege expand beyond race, gender and sexual orientation to include worldviews? If so, is there such a thing as progressive privilege? Carrie Lukas, President of the Independent Women's Forum, suggests there is. She says “privilege” does exist, and it is usually aimed at whites, males and straight people. Yet in some parts of our culture, such as the academy and the media, the progressive view dominates in a way that also creates a marginalized and a privileged group. Join Debi Ghate as she discusses Lukas's monograph, “Checking Progressive Privilege,” a controversial but very thought-provoking piece that challenges us to rethink “privilege.”Watch the full interview.This interview was recorded on December 4, 2020.

Many symbols of the American dream can be found in the construction industry. Debi Ghate hosts president of Michigan Associated Builders and Contractors (ABC) Jimmy Greene this week to discuss some of those analogies, protecting merit-based and free-enterprise building, the relationship between merit and justice and the importance of educating against prejudices to produce proactive, rather than reactive justice.Watch the full interview.This interview was recorded on January 26, 2021.

In 2019, the Anti-Defamation League recorded the highest number of anti-Semitic incidents in its 40 years of tracking. This week, Debi Ghate is joined by New York School of Law Professor Nadine Strossen and Kenneth Stern, director of the Bard Center for the Study of Hate. They will discuss the reality of anti-Semitism, the larger context of racism and injustice, censorship and the academy and reducing hateful attitudes through more expression and free speech—not less.The Conflict over the Conflict: The Israel/Palestine Campus Debate by Kenneth SternHATE  Why We Should Resist it With Free Speech, Not Censorship by Nadine StrossenWatch the full interview.This interview was recorded on December 22, 2020.

Society for Human Resource Management (SHRM) President and CEO Johnny C. Taylor, Jr. joins Debi Ghate in a conversation about diversity, equity, and inclusion mandates. They'll address how diversity makes for better decision making, the integral nature of diversity and inclusion, and the difference between equality and equitability. Do mandates really create the outcomes we want? Can DEI happen without mandates? And if mandates don't work for DEI, why do we think they work for other employment issues?Watch the full interviewThis interview was recorded on January 27, 2021

Working non-stop to communicate COVID-19 news to the public has given Dr. Amesh Adalja, senior scholar at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security, an inside look at the pandemic from both a clinical and policy perspective. The new public scrutiny he has drawn has come with criticism and even hate mail. In this episode, Adalja reflects on partisanship, the authority of public health experts and the CDC, WHO reform, and his on-the-ground experience in a public health crisis.Watch the full interview.This interview was recorded on January 18, 2021

Debi Ghate talks with New York Times columnist Bret Stephens about freedom of speech and the contrast between the freedom to offend v. freedom from offense. The two discuss the necessity of comedy in free societies, the rise of cultural “heretics,” and the reputational defenestration of comedians who push boundaries in the pursuit of their craft.Watch the full interview.This interview was recorded on January 22, 2021.

Professors Stephanie Shonekan and Adam Seagrave identify the need for a shared understanding of what equality means for a diverse student body. In this episode, host Debi Ghate talks with them about the events that transpired to launch a course called “Citizenship@Mizzou” and the “Race & the American Story” project across various campuses. The project has become a rare space in the academy for a serious conversation about citizenship and race in America.Watch the full interview.This interview was recorded on December  9, 2020.

In our first episode, Debi discusses the inspiration behind this podcast—the 2004 murder of Theo van Gogh (the great-grandnephew of the famous Dutch painter). This was not some random mugging or drug offense gone wrong; Van Gogh was murdered because he directed a short film written by Ayaan Hirsi Ali called Submission: Part 1. The film took a critical look at how women are treated under Islam.Ayaan discusses the aftermath of Van Gogh's death, her new book Prey: Immigration, Islam and the Erosion of Women's Rights, and the role of philanthropy in today's society. Watch the full interview.This interview was recorded on January 11, 2021

If you're tired of cancel culture muzzling anyone who doesn't agree with the progressive agenda; if you're ready for real, raw, and honest conversations about the toughest challenges facing our country; if you want to meet some of the most interesting and innovative thinkers and doers in the liberty movement, then you must tune in to Can We Talk About It  withDebi Ghate. The show launches late in February. Click here to hear from the host herself why this is a must-watch/listen.