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Send us a textSEO doesn't have to be overwhelming or expensive to actually work.In this episode, I'm joined by Kelly Kumler, a brand and web designer with a serious love for SEO, to demystify what it really takes to get aligned, organic traffic to your site (without keyword stuffing or obsessing over trends).Whether you've been guessing at keywords, blogging at random, or hoping your pretty website will magically rank, Kelly breaks down a clear, human-first approach to search engine optimization that supports your business goals and helps the right people find you.We talk about:How to choose keywords that are actually winnable (and what tools to use) and the page structure both Google and humans love Why your site needs dedicated service pages and how they help with search engine optimizationHow AI tools have changed the game for SEOWhat to DIY vs. outsource and when to make the switchThis episode is your invitation to stop relying pretending SEO doens't exist and start building a simple, sustainable strategy that will pay off over time.Links & References:For faster business growth through networking, strategy and accountability, check out the  Powerful Women Rising Business Growth Community!Kelly is offering FREE website evaluations for PWR podcast listeners!  Snag your spot HERE!Learn more about Kelly at www.kellyryann.com or connect with her on Instagram!Support the showConnect with Your Host!Melissa Snow is a Business Relationship Strategist dedicated to empowering women in entrepreneurship. She founded the Powerful Women Rising Community, which provides female business owners with essential support and resources for business growth. Melissa's other mission is to revolutionize networking, promoting authenticity and genuine connections over sleazy sales tactics. She runs an incredible monthly Virtual Speed Networking Event which you can attend once at no cost using the code FIRSTTIME She lives in Colorado Springs with two dogs, her soul cat Giorgio and any number of foster kittens. She loves iced coffee, Taylor Swift, and Threads.

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Christmas is supposed to be the most wonderful time of the year, yet many people enter this season exhausted, overwhelmed, or feeling far from joyful and triumphant. In this message, Lead Pastor Aaron Pennington opens our Christmas series, Songs of Christmas, by taking us deeper into the meaning behind the classic hymn O Come All Ye Faithful.Rather than treating Christmas music as background noise, Pastor Aaron shows how this 250 year old hymn is actually a calling to reorient our hearts toward Jesus. Using Colossians 1, Matthew 11, Hebrews 4, and the overarching story of Scripture, he explains what it truly means to adore Christ and why adoration goes far beyond seasonal emotion. It is the highest biblical expression of worship, placing Christ as the supreme affection of our lives.Whether you walked into this season feeling faithful, joyful, or triumphant, or whether you feel weary, broken, disappointed, or unsure about faith, this message reminds you that the hymn is not describing your performance. It is describing the victory of Jesus that you step into by faith.Pastor Aaron also addresses the emotional weight many people carry in December and offers the comfort Jesus gives to the weary. Because Christ took on flesh and experienced suffering, betrayal, exhaustion, and pain, we can never say to God, “You do not understand.” He understands completely and invites us to come boldly to receive mercy and grace.This message will help you slow down, refocus your heart, and rediscover why Jesus is worthy of all devotion, affection, and adoration this Christmas. Learn why Christmas is not about having it all together but about the Savior who came to rescue us, redeem us, and offer eternal life to all who trust him.

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In Episode #518 of the Grit2Greatness Endurance Podcast, we dive into Ask A Coach: Train S.M.A.R.T., where we break down how to set process, skill, and outcome goals that align with your periodized training plan. Plus, we share announcements like TriDot Pool School, Grit2Greatness Ambassador applications, and our upcoming webinar. Don't miss the G2G Workout of the Week: Building 100s and a festive Fun Segment: Our Favorite Things. Sponsored by Vespa Power and Grit2Greatness Endurance Coaching—your partners for smarter training and optimized performance.TriDot Pool School CS 2/28-3/1Link - TPS @ Colorado Springs CO- February 28-March1-Pool SchoolAverage improvement for the last two pool schools in Colorado Springs was 15% and this was after 2 days of swimming at altitude with a lot of out-of-state visitors!2026 Ambassador Applications Grit2Greatness is accepting applications for our 2026 Ambassador program. Apply here - https://forms.gle/mQjPbyzjAmmBhM6m9Grit2Greatness Webinar - Greatness Is a Habit: How to Build Yours in 2026, December 16 at 6pm MT / 8pm ET LInk - https://us06web.zoom.us/j/83084039210Grit2Greatness Strava Club - Join Us! - Club | Grit2Greatness Endurance on StravaShow Sponsor: Vespa PowerVespa Power Endurance helps you tap into steady, clean energy—so you stay strong, focused, and in the zone longer. Vespa is not fuel, but a metabolic catalyst that shifts your body to use more fat and less glycogen as your fuel source. Vespa comes in CV-25, Junior and Concentrate.Less sugar. Higher performance. Faster recovery.Home of Vespa Power Products | Optimizing Your Fat MetabolismUse discount code - 303endurance20

CHSAA SETTLES ON BOYS IN GIRLS SPORTS And this is just the first round as districts like D49 in Colorado Springs refuse to allow fundamental unfairness to harm girls. According to the settlement reached and announced yesterday, D49 and its co-plaintiffs will be allowed to do the following:• Maintain separate sports teams for biological boys and girls.• Keep locker rooms and overnight travel accommodations separated by biological sex.• Avoid CHSAA-imposed penalties for upholding these policies.• Comply with Title IX and the U.S. Constitution while rejecting mandates that put student privacy at risk.All of which is perfectly NORMAL (more on that later in the blog). They are still suing the Colorado Civil Rights Commission, and the Attorney General and will continue moving forward with that part of the suit. I've got D49 Superintendent Peter Hilts on at 12:30 to talk about it.

Lesley and Brad revisit Lesley's conversation with fat loss and mindset coach Amy Ledin, co-founder of Lean Bodies Consulting. They share how Amy uses identity-based habits, Daily Agreement Cards (DAC's), and simple appearance rituals to help her show up as the person she wants to be while navigating stage four cancer. They also break down her 5 for 50 Habits Framework and how scripting your future self can rewrite negative self-perception.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:How appearance rituals can help you reflect the identity you want.How future-self scripting can reshape mental loops on negative self-talk.How Daily Agreement Cards can turn vague intentions into daily commitments.How the 5 for 50 approach can simplify long-term habit building.How identity-led actions can make starting new habits feel more doable.Episode References/Links:OPC Winter Tour - https://opc.me/tourAgency Waitlist - https://prfit.biz/eventsPilates Journal Expo - https://xxll.co/pilatesjournalCambodia Retreat Waitlist - https://crowsnestretreats.comAgency Mini - https://prfit.biz/miniContrology Pilates Conference in Poland - https://xxll.co/polandContrology Pilates Conference in Brussels - https://xxll.co/brusselsCan You Travel Around the World Teaching Pilates? - https://beitpod.com/teachingabroadPlanke App - https://plankeapp.comSubmit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questionsAmy Ledin Website - https://www.leanbodiesconsulting.comLean Bodies Consulting - https://facebook.com/leanbodiesconsultingEpisode 5: Amy Ledin - https://beitpod.com/ep5Episode 85 : Dr. Celeste Holbrook - https://beitpod.com/ep85 If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! 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I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 0:48  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the unfaltering convo I had with Amy Ledin in our last episode. Brad Crowell 0:59  The what convo? Lesley Logan 1:00  Unfaltering. Brad Crowell 1:01  Unfaltering. Love that. Lesley Logan 1:03  Yeah. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, you are definitely going in and out of order. But that's fine. It's totally fine. We're actually. Brad Crowell 1:11  We don't do perfection here. Lesley Logan 1:12  We don't and but also, this kicks off our Habits series. Brad Crowell 1:19  This one? Lesley Logan 1:19  Yes. Lesley Logan 1:20  Oh, I didn't know that. Lesley Logan 1:21  We are in the Habits series. You don't even know. Brad Crowell 1:23  I know that's amazing. Well, I was gonna comment that it was coming up because the two of you talked a lot about habits.Lesley Logan 1:28  Yeah, yeah. So she kicked us off in this interview, in case, the way I talk about habits doesn't exactly work for you. Amy is a great person at habits. And then several episodes, they're like 15, 20, minutes of me actually, just like breaking down how habits work. And so you can, you'll have episodes you can actually come back to anytime you need to go back through a habit. Brad Crowell 1:53  Love that. Lesley Logan 1:54  I know.Brad Crowell 1:55  So this is 611 so just remember episode 611 kicks off the Habits series. Brad Crowell 1:59  Well, 610. Oh, the interview with her, 610 so, yeah, the last episode. So you really should go back and listen to it, if you haven't already, it's worth it.Lesley Logan 2:08  You should. So, but before that, you'll listen to us talk about how today is December 4th 2025, and it's World Wildlife Conservation Day day. According to Brad's notes, day day. Brad Crowell 2:19  Day, day. Lesley Logan 2:20  Day day, all right, World Wildlife Conservation Day is on December 4th and we're so excited to spread awareness about preserving Earth's endangered flora and fauna. What do you think the most invasive species on the earth is? Monkeys, catfish, locusts? Well, I'm just gonna pause before I say what I'm about to say the second to the last sentence does make me feel like these people do care about the animals, and I'm gonna get it, bring it back to the animals, but we do have to talk about how it's us humans, and it's not because you're not having enough babies, ladies, that's not it at all. Actually, it's because nature's most magnificent, are we really, nature's most magnificent creatures, world, wildlife, people, I don't think so, are becoming endangers and being pushed the brink of extinction by the greed of some humans. Okay, so really, animals.Brad Crowell 3:06  No, they're saying that animals and plants are being pushed to extinction because of humans. Lesley Logan 3:13  Because of humans. Okay, all right, so, so, oh, I see we're the most invasive species. Brad Crowell 3:19  That's right. We are the most invasive species. Lesley Logan 3:21  We are the most, I read that as endangered. So okay, so I'll take it all the, well, first of all, we don't need to have any more babies because we are the most invasive species. There it is. But it's true. I just get so tired of people thinking like we're gonna run out of people. We're not gonna run out of people, because the Earth is gonna get too hot for people, because we are being assholes, so this is causing irreparable harm to the wildlife ecosystem. So, just so you know, here are the animals that are in danger right now. One of the most rarest cats in the world is the Amur leopard. There's only about 100 of them left. The vaquita is a small porpoise from the Gulf of California with only eight to 13 estimated to be left. And the rhino. Multiple species are actually critically endangered, largely due to poaching for their horns. And it's really sad about the rhino, because have you seen a baby rhino? They're so cute. The orangutan, all species of orangutans are critically endangered because of the habitat loss from deforestation, and they're being hunted or captured as infants. I watch this incredible thing about how they're trying to create habitats for orangutans, but then they have to take the orangutans that are used to being around people and like, teach them to be orangutans again, it's really quite cute. The saola, saola, an elusive forest dwelling animal in the Annamite Mountain, sometimes called the Asian unicorn, saola, an Asian unicorn? Well, we got to see this. Sunda pangolin, over-exploited for their meat and scales with illegal trade and a major threat. And then the bugs we got to be worried about, the salt Creek tiger beetle, the butterflies, the McCarthy's plant-louse and a giant torrent midge. And, I mean, do we need the midges? I don't know if that's the same as a midge in Scotland. Brad Crowell 3:21  What is it? Lesley Logan 3:21  Giant torrent midge.Brad Crowell 3:21  All right, images, oh, I don't actually know what I'm looking at here.Lesley Logan 3:21  It's giving me, AI is giving me 75 different kinds of animals, none of which, I think are the midge.Brad Crowell 3:21  It feels like it's, it's kind of in the antlered world. But a bunch of bugs came up. Lesley Logan 3:21  Yeah, a bunch. But did you find the Asian unicorn?Brad Crowell 3:21  I did. And it actually is like the spindly, horned like. Lesley Logan 3:21  Okay, you know what it looks like, everyone? It looks like, it looks like the Target dog on a deer with horns. It does. Not white, but like the snout.Brad Crowell 4:44  It's got, it's the bull terrier face, but it has antlers that are spinning like spindling. They spin. Lesley Logan 3:55  All these to say, the we are endangering a.Brad Crowell 4:41  Twist, they twist. Lesley Logan 4:41  And, oh, and we're endangering a lot of animals. And when one animal goes it actually affects a whole chain. And as humans, I think that we are really getting into we're too self-absorbed, even when we think we're doing the right thing. So just be mindful of what you're doing. And you know, we're we're making the earth too hot, and it's going to be a problem for everybody. So that's World Wildlife, you know, conservation day, humans are an invasive species, not endangered one. Okay, I read that totally wrong. Sorry about that. Anyways. Also, today is the day we have left for the tour.Brad Crowell 4:41  Yeah, we hit the road, and that's exciting. We are heading to Colorado.Lesley Logan 4:41  Yeah, we're going to Colorado Springs. That event sold out. Both things sold out in like a week, so yeah, and then we'll be in Fayetteville, and then we're gonna keep on going, opc.me/tour, is where you can get your tickets and. Brad Crowell 3:55  There are still a few tickets left, y'all, but I don't know which cities, so just hop over to opc.me/tour, and come join us. Come hang out. It'll be so fun to meet you in person.Lesley Logan 5:49  We really want to. It's one of the best ways for us to hang out, and there's lots of prizes. Balanced Body is our sponsor of this tour, and that means we're bringing our Controlology equipment with us. We're bringing Bayon with us. This is the biggest one. This one has 23 cities, so we've outdone ourselves, truly have and we will see how we are on the other side. So, but also while we're on tour. You know, we talked about this last month, but we did not do a sale for Profitable Pilates this past week. I guess it would have been for the Thanksgiving holiday, because we're doing something really special December 26th to the 31st and so you're gonna want, if you've ever wanted to try out Agency, if you've ever wanted to experience what's like, to be coached with us, and you want to get it on a discount, you are going to want to make sure that you are paying attention to our emails. And so the best thing you can do is go to prfit.biz/events, because that'll get you on the waitlist. Actually, just wrote a waitlist email for those people, yes, and that way you will not miss out on this amazing opportunity, and it will in the come back around, okay. And then after the new year, we come home, we literally unpack the van. I'm getting my roots and my nails done. I literally told the team, there's zero things that can happen on that day. There's only two things that can happen on that day, because my roots will be five weeks out, and so will my nails. And we have never tested that before in life. Brad Crowell 6:56  So I'm gonna basically unpack the van and repack the van while she's getting her nails done.Lesley Logan 6:10  I know I and we haven't even decided for taking I guess we're taking the van. So we're I'm gonna be teaching at the Pilates Journal Expo in Huntington Beach. Brad's gonna be at the booth. We've got some fun fireside chats. It depends on if those rugs that we are picking up fit in the other car. So you guys, oh my God, do you want to know this? We have six rugs that are waiting for us to pick them up, six and they're huge, and the last thing I needed in this house was a rug. But I couldn't say no to six rugs. So I have to now maybe get rid of some rugs, or we're gonna layer some rugs, unclear, but this is, this is the things that Brad and I on our ADHD have to figure out. However, we are going to somehow, some car is going to take us to L.A. and that car will pick up some rugs before we're at the Expo. And then Brad will be at the booth. I'll be running around. I'm doing a fun chat with Ken Edelman. I'm doing a fireside chat that I think Erika Quest is hosting. I got a couple workshops in a class so go to xxll.co/pilatesjournal. And then, also, in January, besides being at my birthday, we are going to let the wait list people in on an amazing deal on the retreat to Cambodia next October. So it happens in January. Why? Because we want to kick off the new year. Help you plan your massive travel for the end of the year and have some fun with us. You can plan the, you get to think about it all year long how cool is that, You'll want to go to crowsnestretreats.com to get on that waitlist, because, again, only the waitlist people get the discount. Brad Crowell 9:52  Yeah, and we're gonna have a call in January, middle of January, basically, to we're just gonna hang out and talk about it all. And answer questions for you. So if you were like, you know, it's interesting, but I'm unsure. Come join us for the call. We're going to email the wait list about the call. So go on the waitlist. Go to crowsnestretreats.com, you'll just see it on the homepage. Scroll down a little bit towards the bottom, and you'll see, you know, find out about the upcoming events and whatever. So we'll be able to email you the Zoom link. And yeah, we're just going to hang out and talk about it, and we'll probably invite a couple of our past retreaters to join us, so you can ask them questions and all the things. But I next year is going to be it's gonna be a big, a big trip. I'm excited. It's gonna be awesome. And we have, we've already had, we've literally already had people start getting tickets. Okay, I know they got a secret sale, and a bunch of people were like, yes, please. So just saying.Lesley Logan 10:44  They're like, people like, how do I get the secret sale? Apparently they just asked you guys. I'm pretty sure that's how it went. Then in February, we will have our Agency Mini, but it's happening in February. I don't have the dates in front of us, so pfit.biz/mini will make sure that you do not miss out on when that is happening but.Brad Crowell 11:01  Profit without the O slash mini. Lesley Logan 11:03  If you paid attention to what's happening on December 26th to the 31st you will not miss out on that Mini. So I'm just hinting, hinting.Brad Crowell 11:12  Hinting. Lesley Logan 11:12  I think I'm hinting on the right thing. The team will let me know. In March, I will be in Poland, and we will also be in Brussels. So if you and with Karen Frischmann, so if you want to learn in an intimate setting and for like, long days of amazingness with Karen and I, then you're gonna want to go to xxll.co/poland or xxll.co/brussels to snag your spot. And then at the time we're recording this, we have, they have not announced POT London, but we will be there. And so if you go to xxl.co/pot, you'll see all the POTs that are happening next year. Brad Crowell 11:47  That's right. Lesley Logan 11:48  So when London is there, you will see it there. And if it's not there, you can see all the other things. And just because we're sitting in there doesn't mean we're going to be at all those things. Brad Crowell 12:00  No, that's true. Lesley Logan 12:00  So don't get mad. Brad Crowell 11:57  We'll be at the London one. Lesley Logan 11:58  We'll be at the London one for sure. Well, I'll be teaching at the London one for sure. Brad Crowell 12:01  Oh yeah. Lesley Logan 12:02  Okay, now we have to answer an audience question, and then we can get into the amazingness of Ame Ledin. Brad Crowell 12:08  Yes. So okay, we had a great question. This is from SamCrecco. Samantha asks from IG, hi, I came across your page, and it has really motivated me to make a change. I am an elementary school teacher, and I've been teaching Pilates on the side for about two years now. As a former dancer, I've always had a passion for health and wellness. I'm looking to teach Pilates abroad for a short amount of time, maybe three months, but I'm open to longer. I was wondering if you have any suggestions on how to get started. Any advice is greatly appreciated. Thank you, Sam.Lesley Logan 12:40  Yeah, so, Sam, you it's so here's what is amazing about being a Pilates instructor. You can kind of go anywhere and get a job, like most studios need people. But on profitablepilates.com we actually had a great blog written by Roxy Menzies about being a traveling Pilates instructor, and it's like, I think that we published it like eight years ago and or maybe seven years ago, and it is still the top red blog, one of the top red blogs on the website, because it's such a hot topic. And so I absolutely recommend reading that book, reading that book, reading that blog, because she did that for years. She was a traveling Pilates instructor. She did it for years, until she settled down and had a family. So I would check out that blog post. There's also, and I think it's linked in that blog post, there's also, there, at least was a Facebook group for traveling Pilates instructors. Like, I'm not a I'm not hugely active on Facebook, so I understand, like, I don't know how that will work, but you can go in there and see what that is. And then there's a couple other apps where, like, studios will put job postings. I think, Planke does it P-L-A-N-K-E, the PMA has a job board. Essentially, though, like you would just be surprised what like, because here's the thing you're gonna need to know what your kind of style of teaching is called, because obviously that's for some students that's going to matter, or for you to enjoy yourself that might matter. And then sometimes they just post things in in groups, or they tell a friend, or you can, you can let people know. One of the girls who did eLevate, she actually ran someone's studio for six weeks in Hawaii. So she got to live in the woman's house and live in Hawaii on an island by the beach, and run her studio. So the woman could take six weeks off like, what a dream. I think it's amazing. Brad Crowell 14:20  I'm all about that. I mean, maybe not at this point in my life, because I do have a family and a house. But you know, if I was 20 years younger and in this position, it sounds so fun. Lesley Logan 14:32  Oh, if we still had the apartment in L.A. when we when we didn't have the studio, this would have been like, like, upper alley, but now I'm, like, just not gonna pay me enough. But, well, you're, you have to, but, but Sam is in the perfect place. Like, she's like that, and she should take advantage of it. I think, like so many people, like, oh, this is what I should do. No, if you are not like, like you, if you don't have like, a lease that you're like, dedicated to, like, if it's easy for you to be mobile., well, you should do that while you can, because you haven't you will meet and learn. Meet so many people, learn so many things. You'll learn about yourself. It's like, the same reason why you should come to Cambodia, like, there's just things you have to do in your life so that you can truly level up and figure out what you really want to do. Like, that's the cool thing about being a Pilates instructor. Maybe some people will do this for their whole lifetime, and some people will do it seasonally as a as like a thing that they do until they figure out what they want to do. I love that. So anyways.Brad Crowell 15:27  I'm in. Well, thanks for asking that question. If you have a question, you can ask us, go to beitpod.com/questions where you can leave a win or a question, beitpod.com/questions and last week, we got to read out one, and we'd love to hear one from you. So stick around. We'll be right back. We're going to dig into this great conversation that Lesley had with Amy Ledin, and we'll be right back. Brad Crowell 15:50  All right. Now, let's talk about Amy Ledin. Amy Ledin is a fat loss and mindset coach. She's the cofounder of Lean Bodies Consulting and the host of the F* It Podcast. She helps women in midlife create lasting transformation through training, nutrition and identity-based habit change. Great. Lesley Logan 16:09  What? Great. Brad Crowell 16:13  Great. Yeah, it's so great. Actually, you know what I really appreciated was I've been around you for so long now with your habits training with BJ Fogg, and just listening to you talk about the process and how it all works. And it was, it was really fun to listen to somebody else talk about habits and habit forming and building with her clients. But it's, I thought it was cool because it was identity-based habit change and not just like habit change. So that's pretty awesome. She uses tools like the DAC, which are her daily agreement cards, which we talked about all the way back in episode two, I think, or three. Lesley Logan 16:13  She was episode five. Brad Crowell 16:13  Just kidding, way back in the beginning, five, her DACs. She still uses those. She helps clients reprogram the mental loops that keep them stuck and build a body that reflects their discipline, a stage four nonsmall cell lung cancer fighter, Amy continues to lead and inspire through resilience, integrity and action. And yeah, I know. Lesley Logan 16:13  This was a big episode. Brad Crowell 16:13  This is a pretty big episode. It was also like.Lesley Logan 16:21  We're gonna spoil some things as we talk about it, so if you didn't listen, it won't be a surprise when you're listening. But like it was, she has cancer right now.Brad Crowell 17:06  Recurring, for the fourth time recurring, and this time it's, it's attacked her brain. Lesley Logan 17:10  I know I'm really upset. I'm like, I'm I'm frustrated for her. And we have another friend who's going through something similar. It's like, the second time, and you're just like, you know, like, it's just so frustrating because, like, of course, they're also the people, like, doing the work and caring for other people, and they're so generous and all that they do, and you're just like, like, why can't it be the fucking asshole over there? You know? Why? You know, but that doesn't get to be that person. So we can, we can get into that in a little bit. But I actually want to talk some other things. I did love that she said.Brad Crowell 17:58  Yeah, before that, I just wanted to say, you know, thanks for the update, Amy. And I just wanted to say that I appreciated her honesty. You know, I'm glad you asked the question the way you asked, which was like, how's it going with cancer? Do you still have cancer? What's what's going on? And she said, yes. And instead of being like, Oh, I'm so sorry. You said I'm sorry, but you know, like, how does that make you feel? Like, do you feel like? I can't remember exactly what you asked, but it was something about like, do you, are you sad, are you tired of being sorry? Are you tired of people saying that? And she said, I'm actually tired of it, and I'm tired of also being the strong one, because people always tell her wow, you might, you're so strong, you know. And she's like, I don't want to be that anymore. I've been doing that for a long time, fighting this, and it's, you know, she doesn't want to do that. So I just thought it was a really candid conversation about somebody who's going through something that, you know, the first times were probably like, debilitating and crushing, and this time it's almost, it's got to be, like, some kind of a routine at this point.Lesley Logan 19:08  I mean, I think we just talked about, like, how she didn't even tell them right away, because it's like, you just don't like, you just don't even want to, like, go through the things that people are going to say.Brad Crowell 19:17  We all know what they're going to say. I mean, we've, we've done it with our pets, you know and, you know. And I'm not, I'm not carrying them in that way. But the the recurring trauma of something that's tragic happening a second time, you know, I can only imagine what, yeah, you know, a fourth time, you know, so I just wanted to say thank you for asking it the way you did. And Amy, thanks for being candid and being willing to share. And you know.Lesley Logan 19:45  Also, like, I don't we were like, we would talk before the episode started and it didn't come up. No. And so I was like, oh, Jesus fuck. Like, you know shouldn't tell. And also, and here's the other thing, that it's really important for us to hear, at no point did I go. She never told me, like, as, if you know what I mean, like, like, it's an affront. You should have told me, how come you didn't tell me. It's like, I think it's, you know.Brad Crowell 20:08  That's like, narcissism. Lesley Logan 20:09  I, I don't even, it's, it might not mean you might not be a narcissist who does, who says that, and you still say, but like, it's, well, it's never, by the way, it's never about you. In fact, if, like, just okay, if you're someone in my life who I'm not calling it's probably not about you. It's probably me, most likely, 99.9% of the time, it's me. So you know, and so I if any of your friends are like me at all, it's also them, it's not you. So if it is you, you can just say, Hey, I'm actually a little surprised. And if it is me, I just want to know if it's not me. No, no need to say anything, but, like, it's probably not you, but so at no point did I think that, but I was just like, geez, this fucking sucks. She because she is so strong, but she's gonna be so tired, because people will always say to me, they're like, you're so resilient. It's like, I'm fucking tired of being resilient. So anyways, she's a badass. Let's get into some of the reasons why she is she said on body and identity, and this is another reason why I like the way that she talks about habits, because, like, she talks about it as embodying it. And I think I should have spot one of my clients the other day or the other another episode where she's like, I'm a healthy person, like, it's an identity that she wants to be, and a healthy person won't, like, cancel their Pilates session so I'm here even though I would prefer to be laying in bed, right? Like, so I was so proud of her. I was like, I'm so proud of you. Because, like, that's how you can that's how you can make changes in your life. It doesn't have to be habits. I make changes. And so she said on embodied identity, you have got to show up as the person you want to be. And so for Amy, she talked about how she puts on her makeup and she does her hair, and she consciously avoids verbalizing her pain or fatigue with what she's going through, managing her stage four cancer, because she's really focusing on your body goes in the direction you speak to it. Your body goes in the direction you speak to it. We've all heard like, where your energy goes. That's where it flows, right like, so you can focus on all the negative things that are happening in your life. And guess what you're gonna see all the negative things. And guess what you're watering all the you're literally watering the negative things. But if you're focusing on, and it's not a toxic positivity type of focus, but if you're focusing on showing up as the person you want to be, and putting your focus in that direction, it is going to get you there. And she said, she said she emphasized the power of maintaining her appearance as a tool to influence her self-perception. So I love this. I do this too, because whenever I feel a little tired, we'll run down if I look in the room like, oh, I didn't get dressed today, of course, like, but maybe it's I also I didn't sleep. But, like.Brad Crowell 22:49  I know what you mean, you just kind of, you know, roll out of bed and keep going and (inaudible).Lesley Logan 22:53  Some days it happens and you're like, oh, no wonder I'm feeling like, not myself. You put everything on. And even if that doesn't solve the world's problems, it kind of you look at yourself in the mirror, you go, I look good, right? Like, I look great. So she said, not many people realize that it's a big superpower. You want to see reflection of who you're wanting to be feeling like, like in the mirror, you know? So I think some people can get a little weird about, like, oh, putting on makeup and doing my hair. Like, that's so superficial. It's not, guys. Yes, there are people that are superficial who do that, but like, for most of us, it is kind of the thing that helps us show up more as the person we want to be because we're fighting on the outside.Brad Crowell 23:33  You know, it's like, I think corporate usually it's weird about it, because every you know, it can become like, a competition and stuff. But like, you know, there is a reason that people wear a suit and tie in a corporate environment, right. It changes the way you you it's supposed to change the way you act. Lesley Logan 23:53  Yeah, yeah. There's a reason why there's uniforms at schools. It's like, kind of so that everyone is, like, not in pajamas at school. But also, like, you know, supposedly supposed to help people, like, not be wanting to be each other. But like, kind of also like this, if it's your job to go to school, like, then you have to wear uniform, you know. So I get it. Brad Crowell 24:10  I definitely have found myself changing my shirt before I get on Zoom calls now where I'm like, you know, like, my old T shirts aren't really my vibe anymore, and as much as I enjoy them for, you know, running around or, you know, weekend, yard work, they're, they're the wrong vibe for when I'm coaching or I'm on a call or whatever. And, yeah, it definitely gives you a different perception of yourself.Lesley Logan 24:35  Yeah. And I think, like, I just think that, you know, a lot of a lot of us are taking notes from people who maybe what they're saying means well. Like, especially if you're like, oh my God, I have to spend so much time getting ready every day. Yeah, you don't need that stuff. But like, if you are trying to feel like a more positive person who feels strong and as a leader, like these things can help. You know, Dr Celeste Holbrook calls that she calls them harm reduction acts, like she would love to not wear makeup, and she would love to not have to put on a clothes that match, but for her to get her message out, she understands that there is a way that she needs to show up, and if she shows up that way, she reduces the harm she could get in the comments. And so she also, like, does this thing in the morning, so that she can put these things on, so can show up in the way that she wants to be received, so that she can give her message out there. So there's so many different reasons to have things that help you show up as the identity that you want to be. So you can actually do the thing that you want to do. Brad Crowell 25:41  Yeah, well, that, that leads pretty straight into what I enjoyed, what she was talking about. She was talking about, how we, how do we create change in ourselves, and how do we, you know, habit forming, and all that kind of stuff, the self-talk, the way that we we what we're thinking. It's really interesting, because I'm like, super analytical and a little bit sarcastic is the wrong word, but cynical is the right word, right? So I'm a little bit cynical. So, you know, I feel like there can be this dissidence of like, oh, when I say these happy things, I'm still lying to myself, because it's not reality. But what, what she's talking about were, was basically the way that you say the things to your brain really matters, and it really needs to be identity shifting, the things that you say to yourself. So like, for example, what I've noticed this is just very basic, but if I wake up and I go, I feel tired. I probably feel tired all day. But if I wake up and I and I say, I'm ready to go, then I'm going to be ready to go all day. You know, especially if you're like, I feel good, I feel good. I'm ready. Let's do this right? And so in that same vein, she advocates for scripting or writing out your day as if you were already your future self. So this is like future casting, right? And this is also like, you know, you call it manifesting, or whatever, but the idea is that you're who is it that you want it to be? Who do you want to be? Who do you how do you want to operate? You know, how do you want to think if you create a script for that, you know? And she talks about, you know, I am someone who is good at making decisions, and I make decisions that benefit my myself, my future, my family, and, you know, every decision that I make is helps lead us towards the path that we're going down. This kind of a thing where it doesn't, it's, you know, it certainly can be right? And she said, script this, because what happens is you're rewiring your brain, right? She said, your brain doesn't actually see the difference between your future self being a scripted version of yourself and the current self, right? And what you're doing. She said, since 91% of your thoughts are repetitive, which is crazy, because I thought it was only 80s, she said, 91. Lesley Logan 25:42  I think it's probably 91. Brad Crowell 25:42  She said, consciously scripting is a new you know, your new reality is essential for breaking away from old patterns. And you're trying to show that you can change. You know you're you're changing who you are and when you as you're scripting this, whatever it is going to be for the future, this mantra that you're going to create for yourself, there will come a point that you're you start to adopt it in the way that you think. So it might sound cheesy and weird, but give it a try. You know, I think this is actually really interesting.Lesley Logan 26:51  Yeah. I actually really like this. And I think, like, for the people who are like, I'm so busy, you can do this on a commute, because you can just talk to text. You can just talk to text.Brad Crowell 27:54  Yeah, well, I but I think the idea is that if you're scripting it, you want to read it. Lesley Logan 28:02  Well, you know, but talk to text, then you can read it. Like, if you don't have if you're like, my morning is so busy, It's so chaotic, I got to get everybody out of the door, you could then, on your way to work, talk to text and a note on your phone. Here's how my days here's how my day went to it's the end of the day. Here's how my day went. Like you're scripting the day, right? And then when you get to your desk, you can just read it. You already wrote it. Brad Crowell 26:04  I don't quite think that's what she means. I think she's saying. Lesley Logan 26:51  You have to handwrite it. Brad Crowell 26:51  No, she's saying, map it out. It's your thing that you do as your it's the same thing. You repeat it every day. It's the same one. Lesley Logan 26:51  Oh, you're doing the same one every single day.Brad Crowell 26:51  You're creating a script, and you're retraining your brain and the way that you think. So, how is it that you want to think, let's write these things down? Lesley Logan 27:03  If you're already your future self.Brad Crowell 29:23  Right. As if you were already your future self? Oh, okay, I like what you're talking about. Because what you're talking about is, is more like the brain dump kind of a thing of like, almost like the morning, morning pages slash notes.Lesley Logan 29:49  How this amazing day is going to be, well, you could still do this part. You could still do it voice to text. You just have to the same one every time. Brad Crowell 29:49  Right. But then you have to remember it. So. Lesley Logan 29:49  I think you will, I think you'll even get more (inaudible) you probably can get better at it. I think you probably even get more details and more nuances, and the smells and the sounds will be there. Yeah, I'm just trying to help the people out who are like, look, I know what they're gonna say, Brad, they're gonna say, I don't have time to do this every morning. No time. So I'm trying to give them the permission to find a way. Brad Crowell 30:20  Let's change that. The I don't have time thing, I don't, I don't. I think that we're making it lot bigger than it needs to be. Like, okay, maybe the first time you have to spend some time thinking about who you want to be yourself. But you need to do that anyway. Yeah, right. So one, you know, but I think your mantra could literally be two sentences or five sentence. It doesn't have to be paragraphs. We're talking about, you know, something that you can build into your morning routine as a habit, and it becomes a habit, you know. And maybe it's when you're brushing your teeth you see, you know, the note on the mirror that says daily mantra, or daily you know, you know, identity shifting, or whatever it is that you, you know.Lesley Logan 31:02  Yeah, you could put it somewhere where you could read it every morning and every night. I like that.Brad Crowell 31:05  Yeah. I mean, I don't even think you need to write it out and stick it on the mirror. You could, but even on your phone. You just need something like, You need to like Lesley says, tie it to something that you do daily so that you're gonna see it like, for example, the making coffee and doing push ups while I'm waiting for the coffee to brew.Lesley Logan 31:23  I like it while you're brushing your teeth, because you do probably do that twice a day. I like it being on the mirror and not on your phone so you don't get distracted. My ADHD, as soon as they open their phone, they're getting fucking lost and they're somewhere else. Brad Crowell 31:35  I think that's wise. Lesley Logan 31:36  And if they don't update that note every day, then the note gets buried. So like, let's just put it on paper on your mirror, and you can read it twice a day while you're brushing your teeth, because while you're brushing your teeth, you're like, man, two minutes is a long time. It's a long time. So what if you read it for the whole two minutes?Brad Crowell 31:51  What if, I mean again, it doesn't have to be two minutes long. It could just be a few sentences. Lesley Logan 31:51  No, it could be a few sentences that you read over and over again for two minutes. Brad Crowell 31:58  Yeah, that's cool. Stick around. We'll be right back. We're gonna dig into some really great Be It Action Items that Amy shared with us like she's a powerhouse, y'all, I'm very continuously impressed by her. Lesley Logan 32:10  I know. Brad Crowell 32:10  Yeah, well, we'll be right back. All right. So finally, let's talk about those Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Amy Ledin? So funny enough, I'm going to let you say what she got excited about. But she she also said she's got this interesting framework that she created about habit building, and she calls it five for 50, okay? And, yeah, I thought this was clever. I know there, you know there's you talk a little bit differently about the length of time it takes to build a habit. Lesley Logan 32:45  Yeah. I actually this idea. Cares thing (inaduible) Brad Crowell 32:49  Wait, wait, let me tell the idea. Okay, so 5 for 50, what is it? 5 for 50, you're picking five specific things that you want to turn into habits, and you're going to perform these habits for 50 consecutive days in a row, right? So little redundant there consecutive means in a row. So 50 consecutive days you're going to perform these five specific habits that you want to change. And there's one caveat, four out of five of those must be things you genuinely intend to continue to do long term. So you're not picking five things that you might want to try out. That's not what we're talking about. We're talking about four of the things you definitely want to build into your life. And the fifth thing, maybe that's the thing you want to try out, right? And the examples that she gave were, she has a 26 year old son who was like, I really want to learn to draw. And he he said, I'm going to do it for 30 minutes every day. And and after a few days, he was like, whoa, this is overkill. I I'm not an amazing (inaudible) I reduced it to 10 minutes a day, but he still did it 10 minutes a day for 50 days.Lesley Logan 33:52  Yeah, and that. And so she does give there's a you have the first week to adjust the habit so I. Brad Crowell 33:59  Increased his time because he got really into drawing. And by the end of 50 days, she said he was like, Michael Jordan of drawing, yeah, yeah, yeah. She said it's amazing what you can do. You know, you know how you know whether it's playing the guitar or whatever it is, you know, the but the so the fifth habit is reserved for personal growth area that the person wants to explore. This will allow you to dabble in it, to see if it's something you'd like to continue to, you know, without the pressure of a forever commitment. So for her, it was getting back into journaling. She's like, you know, I used to do it. I was really intentional about it before I got out of the habit of it. And like, I kind of want to do it, but I'm not really sure if I want to do it again. So she was like, I'm going to add that in as my fifth thing. So, you know, and, yeah, that seven day window gives you time to redefine, redefine those agreements. There's 50 those five things over the 50 days, you know, if the initial commitment proves too much. And I thought, I thought this was kind of clever and and so that said, I wanted to check in with you, Lesley, because you said, oh, I started learning Tarot. Lesley Logan 34:47  Yeah, tarot. Brad Crowell 34:49  Tarot, I said, tarot. Lesley Logan 35:00  I know, like I'm rowing a boat, like I'm learning to row, yeah, tarot, yeah. I'm still learning it. I'm still learning it. I have missed a few days on the return of our, of our coming here, but I actually, except for, according to the app, I missed a couple times. I think that's because of the plane. Like, I, you know, I actually do believe I did it on the days that I did it, but, like, it was like, you missed it, but I actually did almost 50 days in a row on that and I am not a little hiatus, because we have to get back to life. And it just was like, Okay, this is actually filling a job and not like a hobby and so, but I love it. I'm really into it. And I just, I'm really excited, because I just got a notification that this 2026 journal is coming, and it's like a daily Tarot journal, so it will help me with my because with Tarot, you have to, like, immerse yourself in it, to learn it. You know, like, you got to learn the cards, but then you got to draw the cards. And so I'm trying to find these different ways to make sure it's around me. So it's easy to do sure, but I am loving this. This is really fun for me, and it's also really interesting when I tell people I'm learning it, because they're like, oh, are you new readings? And it's like, no, no, no, not everything that I do is going to become something I get paid to do. This is for me, doing it for myself, but I but I actually like, I really like, here's the thing. We can all talk about the same thing in different ways, and some people are going to love it, and some really love other things. I actually really like the way that B.J. does habits, which is what I'm going to go into the rest of the of the month. That being said, this might be exactly what you want to do. Or you can actually go, Hmm, I wonder what my five habits would be. You can actually use what I am doing the next the for the next month to come up with your 5 for 50. And then starting on day one of the year, you could go through the first 50 days of the year using Amy's, so you can actually do both.Brad Crowell 37:05  Sure, I dig it. Well. Anyway, I thought that. I thought it was a good like, I love it. It's a good challenge. You know, it's a challenge, but it's a good one. Lesley Logan 37:12  And I think it, I think it is a challenge, and you're not. It's not like, they do this every 50 days where they start new things, like they, they do this and then like they, I think if she said it was a couple times a year, it's like, not like, every 50 days, like, Okay, it's time for our new 5 for 50. Like, you've run out of things to do. So my Be It Action Items, she is so clever, she actually used her DACs and the Be It acronym. So.Brad Crowell 37:36  DACs are the daily action commitments, which for her were cards that she was writing on. Lesley Logan 37:41  Yeah, like, those cute little like, recipe cards, yeah. So B is bold, pick one agreement that matters. So your bold action, and that she is saying is, pick an agreement that matters, and then you're gonna do E, which is executable, write it in real words, not vague words, be specific on what you're shooting for. And then I the intrinsic is link it to how you want it to feel, not how much you want to weigh or how much you want to make. So like, not anything like external, but how you want, how that one thing is going to make you feel on the inside. And then T targeted, start today, not someday, be very specific of when you're going to start doing the thing. So I thought that was, like, a really fun way for her to use her DACs with the Be It. I was like, oh, look at that, be it till you see it right there.Brad Crowell 38:29  Yeah, it's I thought it was quite clever.Lesley Logan 38:32  Yeah, I know. I love when people give me my acronym back. I don't want to make it a rule, but, like, it does make me smile. I'm not saying anything guests who are listening to this that maybe you should do it, but, but it's really good. I can't believe it's been 555 episodes. Brad Crowell 38:52  Wait. Lesley Logan 38:53  She was on Episode five.Brad Crowell 38:54  Yeah, this is episode 611.Lesley Logan 38:56  I know, but she was on episode she was on episode 610 so she, it's been 555 from her. Brad Crowell 39:02  605 baby. Lesley Logan 39:06  Oh, nailing it. Nailing it on these episodes (inaudible) wow. I, like, don't even have my brain doubled down on that, like, I doubled down on that, and I really was like, oh, that's 555, that equals 610, five, five plus five. That's 10. Really, this is why I actually write down math when I do it and not do it in my head. Anyways.Brad Crowell 39:37  We listen to a pod where he says, I don't do live math so but yeah, maybe we should adopt that.Lesley Logan 39:43  Clearly I don't do live math. All right, I am Lesley Logan, and I, I am imperfect. Clearly from this episode,Brad Crowell 39:51  I'm Brad Crowell. Thanks for being here.Lesley Logan 39:51  Yeah, make sure you share this with a friend who needs to hear it. It's really, really great. And also we want to hear, Amy's gonna want to hear, especially like, did you do 5 and 50? Did you pick an agreement? Did you do anything like share it with her. I know she'll love to hear it, and it will inspire her and empower you. And until next time, Be It Till You See It. Brad Crowell 40:11  Bye for now. Lesley Logan 40:12  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. 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Danielle (00:02):Hey, Jenny, you and I usually hop on here and you're like, what's happening today? Is there a guest today? Isn't that what you told me at the beginning?And then I sent you this Instagram reel that was talking about, I feel like I've had this, my own therapeutic journey of landing with someone that was very unhelpful, going to someone that I thought was more helpful. And then coming out of that and doing some somatic work and different kind of therapeutic tools, but all in the effort for me at least, it's been like, I want to feel better. I want my body to have less pain. I want to have less PTSD. I want to have a richer life, stay present with my kids and my family. So those are the places pursuit of healing came from for me. What about you? Why did you enter therapy?Jenny (00:53):I entered therapy because of chronic state of dissociation and not feeling real, coupled with pretty incessant intrusive thoughts, kind of OCD tendencies and just fixating and paranoid about so many things that I knew even before I did therapy. I needed therapy. And I came from a world where therapy wasn't really considered very Christian. It was like, you should just pray and if you pray, God will take it away. So I actually remember I went to the Seattle School of Theology and Psychology, partly because I knew it was a requirement to get therapy. And so for the first three years I was like, yeah, yeah, my school requires me to go to therapy. And then even after I graduated, I was like, well, I'm just staying in therapy to talk about what's coming up for my clients. And then it was probably five years, six years into therapy when I was finally like, no, I've gone through some really tough things and I just actually need a space to talk about it and process it. And so trying to develop a healthier relationship with my own body and figuring out how I wanted to move with integrity through the world is a big part of my healing journey.Danielle (02:23):I remember when I went to therapy as a kid and well, it was a psychologist and him just kind of asking really direct questions and because they were so direct and pointed, just me just saying like, nah, never happened, never did that, never felt that way, et cetera, et cetera. So I feel like as I've progressed through life, I've had even a better understanding of what's healing for me, what is love life like my imagination for what things could be. But also I think I was very trusting and taught to trust authority figures, even though at the same time my own trauma kept me very distrusting, if that makes sense. So my first recommendations when I went, I was skeptical, but I was also very hopeful. This is going to help.Jenny (03:13):Yeah, totally. Yep. Yeah. And sometimes it's hard for me to know what is my homeschool brain and what is just my brain, because I always think everyone else knows more than me about pretty much everything. And so then I will do crazy amount of research about something and then Sean will be like, yeah, most people don't even know that much about that subject. And I'm like, dang it, I wasted so much effort again. But I think especially in the therapy world, when I first started therapy, and I've seen different therapists over the years, some better experiences than others, and I think I often had that same dissonance where I was like, I think more than me, but I don't want you to know more than me. And so I would feel like this wrestling of you don't know me actually. And so it created a lot of tension in my earlier days of therapy, I think.Danielle (04:16):Yeah, I didn't know too with my faith background how therapy and my faith or theological beliefs might impact therapy. So along the lines of stereotypes for race or stereotypes for gender or what do you do? I am a spiritual person, so what do I do with the thought of I do believe in angels and spiritual beings and evil and good in the world, and what do I do? How does that mix into therapy? And I grew up evangelical. And so there was always this story, I don't know if you watched Heaven's Gates, Hells Flames at your church Ever? No. But it was this play that they came and they did, and you were supposed to invite your friends. And the story was some people came and at the end of their life, they had this choice to choose Jesus or not. And the story of some people choosing Jesus and making it into heaven and some people not choosing Jesus and being sent to hell, and then there was these pictures of these demons and the devil and stuff. So I had a lot of fear around how evil spirits were even just interacting with us on a daily basis.Jenny (05:35):Yeah, I grew up evangelical, but not in a Pentecostal charismatic world at all. And so in my family, things like spiritual warfare or things like that were not often talked about in my faith tradition in my family. But I grew up in Colorado Springs, and so by the time I was in sixth, seventh grade, maybe seventh or eighth grade, I was spending a lot of time at Ted Haggard's New Life Church, which was this huge mega, very charismatic church. And every year they would do this play called The Thorn, and it would have these terrifying hell scenes. It was very common for people to throw up in the audience. They were so freaked out and they'd have demons repelling down from the ceiling. And so I had a lot of fear earlier than that. I always had a fear of hell. I remember on my probably 10th or 11th birthday, I was at Chuck E Cheese and my birthday Wish was that I could live to be a thousand because I thought then I would be good enough to not go to hell.(06:52):I was always so afraid that I would just make the simplest mistake and then I would end up in hell. And even when I went to bed at night, I would tell my parents goodnight and they'd say, see you tomorrow. And I wouldn't say it because I thought as a 9-year-old, what if I die and I don't see them tomorrow? Then the last thing I said was a lie, and then I'm going to go to hell. And so it was always policing everything I did or said to try to avoid this scary, like a fire that I thought awaited me.Yeah, yeah. I mean, I am currently in New York right now, and I remember seeing nine 11 happen on the news, and it was the same year I had watched Left Behind on that same TV with my family. So as I was watching it, my very first thought was, well, these planes ran into these buildings because the pilots were raptured and I was left behind.Danielle (08:09):And so I know we were like, we get to grad school, you're studying therapy. It's mixed with psychology. I remember some people saying to me, Hey, you're going to lose your faith. And I was like, what does that mean? I'm like 40, do you assume because I learned something about my brain that's going to alter my faith. So even then I felt the flavor of that, but at the time I was with seeing a Christian therapist, a therapist that was a Christian and engaging in therapy through that lens. And I think I was grateful for that at the time, but also there were things that just didn't feel right to me or fell off or racially motivated, and I didn't know what to say because when I brought them into the session, that became part of the work as my resistance or my UNC cooperation in therapy. So that was hard for me. I don't know if you noticed similar things in your own therapy journey.Jenny (09:06):I feel sick as you say, that I can feel my stomach clenching and yeah, I think for there to be a sense of this is how I think, and therefore if you as the client don't agree, that's your resistance(09:27):Is itself whiteness being enacted because it's this, I think about Tema, Koon's, white supremacy, cultural norms, and one of them is objectivity and the belief that there is this one capital T objective truth, and it just so happens that white bodies have it apparently. And so then if you differ with that than there is something you aren't seeing, rather than how do I stay in relation to you knowing that we might see this in a very different way and how do we practice being together or not being together because of how our experiences in our worldviews differ? But I can honor that and honor you as a sovereign being to choose your own journey and your self-actualization on that journey.Danielle(10:22):So what are you saying is that a lot of our therapeutic lens, even though maybe it's not Christian, has been developed in this, I think you used the word before we got on here like dominion or capital T. I do believe there is truth, but almost a truth that overrides any experience you might have. How would you describe that? Yeah. Well,Jenny (10:49):When I think about a specific type of saying that things are demonic or they're spiritual, a lot of that language comes from the very charismatic movement of dominion and it uses a lot of spiritual warfare language to justify dominion. And it's saying there's a stronghold of Buddhism in Thailand and that's why we have to go and bring Jesus. And what that means is bring white capitalistic Jesus. And so I think that that plays out on mass scales. And a big part of dominion is that the idea that there's seven spheres of society, it's like family culture, I don't remember all of them education, and the idea is that Christians should be leaders in each those seven spheres of society. And so a lot of the language in that is that there are demons or demonic strongholds. And a lot of that language I think is also racialized because a lot of it is colorism. We are going into this very dark place and the association with darkness always seems to coincide with melanin, You don't often hear that language as much when you're talking about white communities.Danielle (12:29):Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, it's interesting when you talk about nuts and bolts and you're in therapy, then it becomes almost to me, if a trauma happens to you and let's say then the theory is that alongside of that trauma and evil entity or a spirit comes in and places itself in that weak spot, then it feels like we're placing the victim as sharing the blame for what happened to them or how they're impacted by that trauma. I'm not sure if I'm saying it right, but I dunno, maybe you can say it better. (13:25):Well, I think that it's a way of making even the case of sexual assault, for instance, I've been in scenarios where or heard stories where someone shared a story of sexual assault or sexual violence and then their life has been impacted by that trauma in certain patterned ways and in the patterns of how that's been impacted. The lens that's additionally added to that is saying an evil entity or an evil spirit has taken a stronghold or a footing in their life, or it's related to a generational curse. This happened to your mother or your grandma too. And so therefore to even get free of the trauma that happened to you, you also have to take responsibility for your mom or your grandma or for exiting an evil entity out of your life then to get better. Does that make sense or what are you hearing me say?Jenny (14:27):Well, I think I am hearing it on a few different levels. One, there's not really any justification for that. Even if we were to talk about biblical counseling, there's not a sense of in the Bible, a demon came into you because this thing happened or darkness came into you or whatever problematic language you want to use. Those are actually pretty relatively new constructs and ideas. And it makes me think about how it also feels like whiteness because I think about whiteness as a system that disables agency. And so of course there may be symptoms of trauma that will always be with us. And I really like the framework of thinking of trauma more like diabetes where it's something you learn to moderate, it's something you learn to take care of, but it's probably never going to totally leave you. And I think, sorry, there's loud music playing, but even in that, it's like if I know I have diabetes, I know what I can do. If there's some other entity somewhere in me, whatever that means, that is so disempowering to my own agency and my own choice to be able to say, how do I make meaning out of these symptoms and how do I continue living a meaningful life even if I might have difficulties? It's a very victimizing and victim blaming language is what I'm hearing in that.Danielle (16:15):And it also is this idea that somehow, for instance, I hate the word Christian, but people that have faith in Jesus that somewhere wrapped up in his world and his work and his walk on earth, there's some implication that if you do the right things, your life will be pain-free or you can get to a place where you love your life and the life that you're loving no longer has that same struggle. I find that exactly opposite of what Jesus actually said, but in the moment, of course, when you're engaged in that kind of work, whether it's with a spiritual counselor or another kind of counselor, the idea that you could be pain-free is, I mean, who doesn't want to be? Not a lot of people I know that were just consciously bring it on. I love waking up every day and feeling slightly ungrounded, doesn't everyone, or I like having friends and feeling alone who wakes up and consciously says that, but somehow this idea has gotten mixed in that if we live or make enough money, whether it's inside of therapy or outside of healing, looks like the idea of absence of whether I'm not trying to glorify suffering, but I am saying that to have an ongoing struggle feels very normal and very in step with Jesus rather than out of step.Jenny  (17:53):It makes me think of this term I love, and I can't remember who coined it at the moment, but it's the word, and it's the idea that your health and that could kind of be encompassing a lot of different things, relational health, spiritual health, physical health is co-opted by this neoliberal capitalistic idea that you are just this lone island responsible for your health and that your health isn't impacted by colonialism and white supremacy and capitalism and all of these things that are going to be detrimental to the wellness and health of all the different parts of you. And so I think that that's it or hyper spiritualizing it. Not to say there's not a spiritual component, but to say, yes, I've reduced this down to know that this is a stronghold or a demon. I think it abdicates responsibility for the shared relational field and how am I currently contributing and benefiting from those systems that may be harming you or someone else that I'm in relationship with. And so I think about spiritual warfare. Language often is an abdication for holding the tension of that relational field.Danielle  (19:18):Yeah, that's really powerful. It reminds me of, I often think of this because I grew up in these wild, charismatic religion spaces, but people getting prayed for and then them miraculously being healed. I remember one person being healed from healed from marijuana and alcohol, and as a kid I was like, wow. So they just left the church and this person had gotten up in front of the entire church and confessed their struggle or their addiction that they said it was and confessed it out loud with their family standing by them and then left a stage. And sometime later I ran into one of their kids and they're like, yeah, dad didn't drink any alcohol again, but he still hit my mom. He still yelled at us, but at church it was this huge success. It was like you didn't have any other alcohol, but was such a narrow view of what healing actually is or capacity they missed. The bigger what I feel like is the important stuff, whatever thatBut that's how I think about it. I think I felt in that type of therapy as I've reflected that it was a problem to be fixed. Whatever I had going on was a problem to be fixed, and my lack of progress or maybe persistent pain sometimes became this symbol that I somehow wasn't engaging in the therapeutic process of showing up, or I somehow have bought in and wanted that pain longterm. And so I think as I've reflected on that viewpoint from therapy, I've had to back out even from my own way of working with clients, I think there are times when we do engage in things and we're choosing, but I do think there's a lot of times when we're not, it's just happening.Jenny (21:29):Yeah, I feel like for me, I was trained in a model that was very aggressive therapy. It was like, you got to go after the hardest part in the story. You have to go dig out the trauma. And it was like this very intense way of being with people. And unfortunately, I caused a lot of harm in that world and have had to do repair with folks will probably have to do more repair with folks in the future. And through somatic experiencing training and learning different nervous system modalities, I've come to believe that it's actually about being receptive and really believing that my client's body is the widest person in the room. And so how do I create a container to just be with and listen and observe and trust that whatever shifts need to happen will come from that and not from whatever I'm trying to project or put into the space.Danielle (22:45):I mean, it's such a wild area of work that it feels now in my job, it feels so profoundly dangerous to bring in spirituality in any sense that says there's an unseen stronghold on you that it takes secret knowledge to get rid of a secret prayer or a specific prayer written down in a certain order or a specific group of people to pray for you, or you have to know, I mean, a part of this frame, I heard there's contracts in heaven that have agreed with whatever spirit might be in you, and you have to break those contracts in order for your therapy to keep moving forward. Now, I think that's so wild. How could I ever bring that to a client in a vulnerable?And so it's just like, where are these ideas coming from? I'm going to take a wild hair of a guest to say some white guy, maybe a white lady. It's probably going to be one or the other. And how has their own psychology and theology formed how they think about that? And if they want to make meaning out of that and that is their thing, great. But I think the problem is whenever we create a dogma around something and then go, and then this is a universal truth that is going to apply to my clients, and if it doesn't apply to my clients, then my clients are doing it wrong. I think that's incredibly harmful.Yeah, I know. I think the audacity and the level of privilege it would be to even bring that up with a client and make that assumption that that could be it. I think it'd be another thing if a client comes and says, Hey, I think this is it, then that's something you can talk about. But to bring it up as a possible reason someone is stuck, that there's demonic in their life, I think, well, I have, I've read recently some studies that actually increases suicidality. It increases self-harming behaviors because it's not the evil spirit, but it's that feeling of I'm powerless. Yeah,Jenny (25:30):Yeah. And I ascribed to that in my early years of therapy and in my own experience I had, I had these very intensive prayer sessions when therapy wasn't cutting it, so I needed to somehow have something even more vigorously digging out whatever it was. And it's kind of this weird both, and some of those experiences were actually very healing for me. But I actually think what was more healing was having attuned kind faces and maybe even hands on me sometimes and these very visceral experiences that my body needed, but then it was ascribed to something ethereal rather than how much power is in ritual and coming together and doing something that we can still acknowledge we are creating this,That we get to put on the meaning that we're making. We don't have to. Yeah, I don't know. I think we can do that. And I think there are gentler ways to do that that still center a sense of agency and less of this kind of paternalistic thinking too, which I think is historical through the field of psychology from Freud onwards, it was this idea that I'm the professional and I know what's best for you. And I think that there's been much work and still as much work to do around decolonizing what healing professions look like. And I find myself honestly more and more skeptical of individual work is this not only, and again, it's of this both, and I think it can be very helpful. And if individual work is all that we're ever doing, how are we then disabling ourselves from stepping into more of those places of our own agency and ability?Danielle (27:48):Man, I feel so many conflicts as you talk. I feel that so much of what we need in therapy is what we don't get from community and friendships, and that if we had people, when we have people and if we have people that can just hold our story for bits at a time, I think often that can really be healing or just as healing is meaning with the therapist. I also feel like getting to talk one-on-one with someone is such a relief at times to just be able to spill everything. And as you know, Jenny, we both have partners that can talk a lot, so having someone else that we can just go to also feels good. And then I think the group setting, I love it when I'm in a trusted place like that, however it looks, and because of so many ethics violations like the ones we're talking about, especially in the spiritual realm, that's one reason I've hung onto my license. But at the same time, I also feel like the license is a hindrance at sometimes that it doesn't allow us to do everything that we could do just as how do you frame groups within that? It just gets more complicated. I'm not saying that's wrong, it's just thoughts I have.Jenny (29:12):Totally. Yeah, and I think it's intentionally complicated. I think that's part of the problem I'm thinking about. I just spent a week with a very, very dear 4-year-old in my life, and Amari, my dog was whining, and the 4-year-old asked Is Amari and Amari just wanted to eat whatever we were eating, and she was tied to the couch so she wouldn't eat a cat. And Sean goes, Amari doesn't think she's okay. And the four-year-old goes, well, if Amari doesn't think she's okay, she's not okay. And it was just like this most precious, empathetic response that was so simple. I was like, yeah, if you don't think you're okay, you're not okay. And just her concern was just being with Amari because she didn't feel okay. And I really think that that's what we need, and yet we live in a world that is so disconnected because we're all grinding just to try to get food and healthcare and water and all of the things that have been commodified. It's really hard to take that time to be in those hospitable environments where those more vulnerable parts of us get to show upDanielle (30:34):And it can't be rushed. Even with good friends sometimes you just can't sit down and just talk about the inner things. Sometimes you need all that warmup time of just having fun, remembering what it's like to be in a space with someone. So I think we underestimate how much contact we actually need with people.Yeah. What are your recommendations then for folks? Say someone's coming out of that therapeutic space or they're wondering about it. What do you tell people?Jenny (31:06):Go to dance class.I do. And I went to a dance class last night, last I cried multiple times. And one of the times the teacher was like, this is $25. This is the cheapest therapy you're ever going to have. And it's very true. And I think it is so therapeutic to be in a space where you can move your body in a way that feels safe and good. And I recognize that shared movement spaces may not feel safe for all bodies. And so that's what I would say from my embodied experience, but I also want to hold that dance spaces are not void of whiteness and all of these other things that we're talking about too. And so I would say find what can feel like a safe enough community for you, because I don't think any community is 100% safe,I think we can hopefully find places of shared interest where we get to bring the parts of us that are alive and passionate. And the more we get to share those, then I think like you're saying, we might have enough space that maybe one day in between classes we start talking about something meaningful or things like that. And so I'm a big fan of people trying to figure out what makes them excited to do what activity makes them excited to do, and is there a way you can invite, maybe it's one, maybe it's two, three people into that. It doesn't have to be this giant group, but how can we practice sharing space and moving through the world in a way that we would want to?Danielle (32:55):Yeah, that's good. I like that. I think for me, while I'm not living in a warm place, I mean, it's not as cold as New York probably, but it's not a warm place Washington state. But when I am in a warm place, I like to float in saltwater. I don't like to do cold plunges to cold for me, but I enjoy that when I feel like in warm salt water, I feel suddenly released and so happy. That's one thing for me, but it's not accessible here. So cooking with my kids, and honestly my regular contact with the same core people at my gym at a class most days of the week, I will go and I arrive 20 minutes early and I'll sit there and people are like, what are you doing? If they don't know me, I'm like, I'm warming up. And they're like, yeah.(33:48):And so now there's a couple other people that are arrive early and they just hang and sit there, and we're all just, I just need to warm up my energy to even be social in a different spot. But once I am, it's not deep convo. Sometimes it is. I showed up, I don't know, last week and cried at class or two weeks ago. So there's the possibility for that. No one judges you in the space that I'm in. So that, for me, that feels good. A little bit of movement and also just being able to sit or be somewhere where I'm with people, but I'm maybe not demanded to say anything. So yeah,Jenny (34:28):It makes me think about, and this may be offensive for some people, so I will give a caveat that this resonates with me. It's not dogma, but I love this podcast called Search for the Slavic Soul, and it is this Polish woman who talks about pre-Christian Slavic religion and tradition. And one of the things that she talks about is that there wasn't a lot of praying, and she's like, in Slavic tradition, you didn't want to bother the gods. The Gods would just tell you, get off your knees and go do something useful. And I'm not against prayer, but I do think in some ways it seems related to what we're talking about, about these hyper spiritualizing things, where it's like, at what point do we actually just get up and go live the life that we want? And it's not going to be void of these symptoms and the difficult things that we have with us, but what if we actually let our emphasis be more on joy and life and pleasure and fulfillment and trust that we will continue metabolizing these things as we do so rather than I have to always focus on the most negative, the most painful, the most traumatic thing ever.(35:47):I think that that's only going to put us more and more in that vortex to use somatic experiencing language rather than how do I grow my counter vortex of pleasure and joy and X, y, Z?Danielle (35:59):Oh yeah, you got all those awards and I know what they are now. Yeah. Yeah. We're wrapping up, but I just wanted to say, if you're listening in, we're not prescribing anything or saying that you can't have a spiritual experience, but we are describing and we are describing instances where it can be harmful or ways that it could be problematic for many, many people. So yeah. Any final thoughts, Jenny? IJenny (36:32):Embrace the mess. Life is messy and it's alright. 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In this episode of the Econ Dev Show, Dane Carlson talks with Johnna Reeder Kleymeyer, President and CEO of the Colorado Springs Chamber and EDC, about how Colorado Springs is uniting its region to compete globally, building on its deep aerospace, defense, and cybersecurity assets, and expanding advanced manufacturing powered by a steady military-to-civilian talent pipeline. She explains the origin of the Colorado Aerospace and Defense Economic Council, the importance of advocacy for small and mid-sized contractors, how site selection really plays out in a mountain market, and why economic development still matters most at the level of individual opportunity. From cluster strategy to workforce realities to the joy of cutting a ribbon on a transformational project, Johnna offers insight from a 30-year career building thriving communities. Like this show? Please leave us a review here (https://econdevshow.com/rate-this-podcast/) — even one sentence helps! Special Guest: Johnna Reeder Kleymeyer.

In this episode, I talk about why I moved from the San Francisco Bay Area to Colorado Springs, Colorado. Colorado Springs is a great city and I've really enjoyed living here so far. I've lived here for 7 days so far (lol) and I love it. Enjoy the episode!

Shelby Boisjoli-Meged is one of the most respected athletes in professional breakaway roping — a world champion, a six-time NFBR qualifier, and a competitor who blends precision, grit, and world-class horsemanship. Her 2025 journey captures the full reality of rodeo: the slumps, the streaks, the lonely miles, and the moments that remind you why you chase this lifestyle in the first place.In this episode, Shelby opens up about the toughest stretch of her season — missing calves, flying back and forth between U.S. and Canadian rodeos, and running on no sleep — and how she climbed out of it through discipline and relentless practice. Her breakthrough win at Calgary became the turning point, followed by another major victory at Colorado Springs that secured her sixth NFBR back number.Shelby shares how she manages her multi-horse lineup — Anna's experience, Madonna's grit, and Root Beer's fire — while balancing both futurity and pro rodeo schedules. She also talks about traveling alone while Haven pursued tie-down points, how her perspective has evolved over six NFBR qualifications, and why entering Vegas without the No. 1 target on her back gives her a different kind of freedom.Her story is a powerful, honest picture of what makes today's breakaway athletes truly exceptional — resilience, adaptability, horsemanship, mental toughness, and deep belief in the work behind the win.Follow us for more live rodeo and all the action from your favorite events — Bareback Riding, Saddle Bronc Riding, Bull Riding, Tie-Down Roping, Team Roping, Steer Wrestling, Barrel Racing, and Breakaway Roping. Subscribe for the best of pro rodeo in 2025. ----In The LOOP Podcast hosted by Jordan Jo Hollabaugh, is inspired by the western culture and breakaway roping lifestyle. This podcast highlights the raw, real, truth behind the box of the breakaway roping industry. Bringing you behind the scenes stories of what real life looks like everyday from; breakaway ropers, cowgirls, cowboys, producers, leaders, trailblazers, and the like, all sharing stories of the western culture and lifestyle that they live daily.In The LOOP Podcast & Fabrizio Marketing LLC are not responsible for any losses, damages, or liabilities that may arise from the use of this podcast.----New Episodes Every Friday @ 9a ET on Rodeo Live YT----Get In The LOOP Podcast with Jordan JoGet the Newsletter at | www.inthelooprodeo.com/Like us on Facebook | www.facebook.com/inthelooppodcast.jordanjoTag us on Instagram | www.instagram.com/inthelooppodcast.jordanjoFollow us on TikTok | https://www.tiktok.com/@jordanjo.hollabaughWatch more on our Youtube Channel Watch on Youtube @ JordanJoHollabaugh ... Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Enter Oliver Horton, the high school Colorado phenom everyone will be talking about this season.At just 17 years old and a high school junior at Coronado High School (in Colorado Springs), he is already a state champion, a sub-14:30 performer, and a name climbing the national rankings, having just become the 2025 Colorado 4A state XC champion.He didn't just become the first Colorado runner to break 15 minutes on the tough Norris Penrose course in Colorado, he obliterated the previous course record, clocking 14:48. (For comparison, 2024 NCAA 5,000 National Champion Parker Wolfe ran 15:10 in 2020).He has benefited from the consistency of running for coach Lisa Rainsberger for the previous 10 years.Oliver's PR on the grass is a sizzling 14:23.9, which he ran this past September. On the track he ran 4:08.93 in the mile outdoors and 8:54.94 in the 3200m. Every generation has its defining runner. For Colorado, for 2025, and maybe for the nation, Oliver Horton is making his case. The records speak. The rankings confirm it. But the story behind it all? That's what we're digging into.  Tap into the Oliver Horton Special.If you enjoy the podcast, please consider following us on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and giving us a five-star review! I would also appreciate it if you share it with your friend who you think will benefit from it. Comment the word “PODCAST” below and I'll DM you a link to listen. If this episode blesses you, please share it with a friend!S H O W  N O T E S-The Run Down By The Running Effect (our new newsletter!): https://tinyurl.com/mr36s9rs-Our Website: https://therunningeffect.run -THE PODCAST ON YOUTUBE: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UClLcLIDAqmJBTHeyWJx_wFQ-My Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/therunningeffect/?hl=en⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠-Take our podcast survey: https://tinyurl.com/3ua62ffz

The 4th-ranked Fort Hays State women face the University of Colorado, Colorado Springs on Tuesday, November 25, 2025 at the Auraria Event Center in Denver, Colo.

Watch the Devotion Based on Philippians 1:3-6 Thank You Since this is Thanksgiving weekend, I want to pause and reflect on the past year. The mission of WELS Ministry to the Military is to make Word and sacrament available to our actively serving military members and their families. To carry out this mission, the Wisconsin Synod provides financial support for 25 percent of our operating expenses. The other 75 percent comes from generous gifts from you. This past year WELS Ministry to the Military received $154,000 in gifts. Thank you! Your generosity and the work we do together as a synod reminds me of the apostle Paul's words to the Christians in Philippi: “I thank my God every time I remember you. In all my prayers for all of you, I always pray with joy because of your partnership in the gospel from the first day until now, being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus” (Philippians 1:3-6). Because of your generosity this past year, I was able to travel to 10 duty stations (including one aircraft carrier and 3 duty stations overseas), 16 congregations, 3 high schools, and 2 grade schools. This included a trip to Okinawa this past January where we led a retreat for service members who came from Guam, Japan, South Korea, and Okinawa. Because of your generosity, our office mailed 130 Spiritual Deployment Kits to service members around the world, not to mention a number of hymnals, catechisms, and devotion books. Thanks to you, 135 new referrals came in through our website. We were able to train seven Distinctive Religious Group Leaders to lead Bible study and worship in places we can't be. Five more are being trained right now. I want to say thank you to our European chaplain, Rob Weiss, and his wife, Rachel, for their faithful, dedicated service all over Europe: Spain, Germany, Italy, Switzerland, and Poland. Thank you to the WELS pastors, teachers, and staff ministers who encourage and support our military service members, who show compassion and care to the family members when their service member is away from home. Thank you to all the grade schools, pastors' and teachers' conferences, and churches who adopted our ministry for their mission offering designation. Thank you to the WELS pastors and lay leaders who serve as contacts at numerous duty stations around the country, especially those who take extra time to visit our young people during basic training. I'd like to highlight Hope in Irmo, S.C., for serving Fort Jackson; Immanuel in Waukegan, Ill., for serving Great Lakes; Our Savior in San Antonio, Texas, for serving Lackland Air Force Base; and Risen Savior in Chula Vista, Calif., for serving Marine Corps Recruit Depot (MCRD). At MCRD Pastor Paul Schulz leads the Lutheran service on Sunday mornings. This past year the Holy Spirit blessed Pastor Schulz' efforts with an average Sunday worship attendance of 47 recruits, and he was privileged to baptize 25 Marine Corps recruits. Thank you to the congregations in the Colorado Springs area for adopting Air Force cadets at the Academy and being their home away from home. Thank you to the Lutheran Military Support Group (LMSG) for their partnership. Because of their generosity, we led a Military Contact Pastor workshop near Hill Air Force Base in Layton, Utah, this past May. The LMSG also provided professional Christian counseling for active duty service members, veterans, and their dependents. I am grateful for our working relationship with WELS Campus Ministry. They have been helpful in identifying high school graduates pursuing ROTC or the National Guard and referring them to our ministry. Thank you to Michigan Lutheran Seminary who reached out to us, wanting to partner and provide a stable high school experience for high school-age students of our service members. I am grateful to the members and staff at Reformation Lutheran Church and School here in San Diego, where my wife teaches and we are members. You have been a huge support for our family. I want to say thank to the team that works behind the scenes to publish these devotions, for posting on our social media and website. You are so patient with me! I want to thank my Military Services Committee family: Paul, Joel, Holly, Josh, Dave, Ryan, Rob, Rachel, and Dale. It is a joy working with you. From me personally, I want to thank you for your small tokens of appreciation. The challenge coins, squadron caps and patches, letters, e-mails, and text messages—this is all so humbling and encouraging. And I am grateful for all of you every day for this partnership in the gospel. I ask that you continue to keep WELS Ministry to the Military in your prayers so that together we might reach more of our nation's service members with Word and sacrament. Have a happy Thanksgiving. Written and recorded by Rev. Paul Horn, WELS National Civilian Chaplain to the Military, San Diego, California. All Scripture quotations, unless otherwise indicated, are taken from the Holy Bible, New International Version®, NIV®. Copyright ©1973, 1978, 1984, 2011 by Biblica, Inc.™ Used by permission of Zondervan. All rights reserved worldwide. Note: Scripture reading footnotes are clickable only in the web version.

On today's episode, you'll hear Dr. Mark Costes in his first-ever recording from the brand-new DSI studio—joined by none other than Dr. Cody Boals, who shares his journey from small-town Illinois to co-owning a thriving 10-operatory dental practice in Colorado Springs. Dr. Boals opens up about launching Kissing Camels Family Dentistry with his wife Alexa, their approach to grassroots marketing, and how they scaled from seeing 40 new patients a month to over 150—all while maintaining a strong family-first philosophy.   Cody reflects on his early leadership missteps, how COVID and a NICU stay changed their practice vision, and the systems that helped them grow to nearly $5 million in collections. He also dives into his passion for endurance racing and what led him to complete the legendary Leadville 100 ultra-marathon just weeks after welcoming their second child. This episode is packed with insight on intentional scheduling, team culture, giving back to the community, and how to grow a practice without sacrificing your values. Be sure to check out the full episode from the Dentalpreneur Podcast! EPISODE RESOURCES https://www.truedentalsuccess.com Dental Success Network Subscribe to The Dentalpreneur Podcast

Lesley Logan and Brad Crowell break down the powerful conversation with keynote speaker and coach John Mollura, exploring how perfectionism, procrastination, and overthinking quietly chip away at your self-trust. They unpack why these three all stem from fear, how they derail the small promises you make to yourself, and why that matters more than you think. This recap is your reminder that confidence isn't a mystery; it's built through honest awareness and daily follow-through.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:The shift from self-judgment to a seeker mindset that opens new direction.How changing lanes later in life reflects growth rather than starting over.The Big Three that derail meaningful actions by operating from fear.Breaking your own commitments as the root cause behind loss of self-trust.Why honoring tiny choices today makes you a hero to your future self.Episode References/Links:Black Friday Cyber Monday Sale - https://opc.me/bfcmOPC Winter Tour - https://opc.me/tourPilates Journal Expo - https://xxll.co/pilatesjournalCambodia Retreat Waitlist - https://crowsnestretreats.comAgency Mini - https://prfit.biz/miniContrology Pilates Conference in Poland - https://xxll.co/polandContrology Pilates Conference in Brussels - https://xxll.co/brusselsPilates on Tour - https://www.pilates.comSubmit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questionsJohn Mollura's Website - https://www.johnmollura.comJohn Mollura's Free Resources - https://www.johnmollura.com/freestuffEpisode 119: John Mollura - https://beitpod.com/ep119Episode 592: Dr. Jill Allen - https://beitpod.com/ep592 If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! 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And he said, all three of them share the same root. Okay, what is the root of perfectionism, procrastination and overthinking? Lesley Logan 0:15  Drum roll please. Brad Crowell 0:18  Fear.Lesley Logan 0:21  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 1:03  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the encouraging convo I have with John Mollura in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, feel free to pause this now. Go back and listen to that one, and then listen to this one, or listen to this one and then listen to that one. They're fun, back-to-back, to be completely honest, in whatever order you want to do. And John Mollura, he said this is his second time on the pod. Brad Crowell 1:28  Yeah, the first one he was in the hundos. Lesley Logan 1:27  Yeah. I know. Is that crazy? It's insane. Brad Crowell 1:28  Yeah, yeah. Like this probably puts him almost 500 episodes ago. Lesley Logan 1:34  I know. Who else should we bring back? Send it in, guys. Brad Crowell 1:38  Let us know. Lesley Logan 1:38  Today is Thursday, November 27th 2025 and for Americans, it is Turkey Day. Brad Crowell 1:46  It's Thanksgiving Day. Lesley Logan 1:47  Yes, but it's also for Americans and anyone else wants to celebrate, Un-Thanksgiving Day. Brad Crowell 1:54  That's right. Lesley Logan 1:54  Let's, before people get upset, this is what Un-Thanksgiving Day is. It's also known as National Day of Mourning, or Indigenous People's Sunrise Ceremony, is commemorated on the fourth Thursday in November. That is on purpose, because, well, I'll tell you more in a second, this place, it takes a place on November 27th but it just happens on to be on the same Thursday as Thanksgiving, because it's always the fourth Thursday. And it actually there's a big thing over on Alcatraz Island in San Francisco Bay to honor the indigenous peoples of America and promote their rights. And the reason why we do this is because, well, there's also, naturally a mourning is what they do in Boston, but what they do in happened in at Alcatraz is when it was no longer being used as a prison, the indigenous people went and took over the island, and they lived in it and inhabited and controlled it for 19 months. And it's kind of amazing. It's basically them taking their land back, which is very beautiful on we didn't do this because we'll have episodes come on Monday, but I really love that on Columbus Day, the day formerly known as Columbus Day in this household, but known as Indigenous People's Day, somebody, somebody posted a meme that said a reminder that on this day in 1492 indigenous people discovered Columbus lost at sea, or whatever day it was. I don't know if I heard the year correctly, but I love it. It's like, yeah, you fucking discovered this place. You so. So anyways, if you're like me and Brad, sometimes these holidays are kind of hard to celebrate, because, like, of course, I want to spend time with family. Of course I'll spend time with friends. Of course, we need days off, and we do need some joy, but I think finding new ways to educate ourselves and then celebrate those people is wise. Brad Crowell 3:48  Yeah, or just to have some clarity around the history of a holiday, you know, like, like, like, historically, the Romans would take the conquered people's holidays, and, you know, morph them so that the people could still celebrate, and then over time, things would change, you know. And now, all of a sudden, we have, you know, things like Christmas or Halloween or whatever, you know. And they've been, they've been basically taken over, and Thanksgiving is, is, I don't think Thanksgiving was taken over, but Thanksgiving has a different premise.Lesley Logan 4:22  There's a folkloric story about, like, what happened I'm like this, but (inaudible).Brad Crowell 4:25  But it's, well, it's, yeah, it's well, it's, it's that, you know, we came, we saw, we conquered, kind of thing and we did that. But it's a day of thanks, right? Thanks for this new land that we took from people. So, you know, thank you for that.Lesley Logan 4:41  It's like a bully kicking a kid taking a lunch, going, thanks, man.Brad Crowell 4:43  You know, so so I still think that we can have a day where we we are thankful for the things that we have and family and those things. But I think it's also fair to to to recognize that, you know, like that, like for the native people of this continent. They they want to remember their history too, and the genocide of indigenous people that happened when we came over here, so.Lesley Logan 5:12  Yeah, and I just think, like, Hallmark washing, and no offense to that company, but like, just making everything, like this beautiful day to like, you know, go out and buy decorations and all this different stuff. It's like, I think you can have a day of thanks, I think. But I also think, like, it is, it is important that we're educating ourselves about the people that have been hurt by this kind of stuff, and also, like, have a day of thanks and be thankful for them and what they did on, you know, for this land before we got here. Brad Crowell 5:39  Yeah, Thanks for Thanks for going down that journey with us. Lesley Logan 5:42  Yeah, Happy Thanksgiving Day. Brad Crowell 5:44  Yeah, it's intentionally on Thanksgiving every year. It's the fourth, same as the fourth, fourth Thursday of November. Lesley Logan 5:50  So and you know what? Here's the deal, if you're like guys, thanks, totally understand. You know, honor them every day. And I love Thanksgiving. That is very, very cool. But for some people who are having a hard time right now with this holiday, we just gave you one. You're welcome.Brad Crowell 6:04  Yeah, all right. Coming up it is. We are in the middle of our Black Friday Cyber Monday sale right now for OPC, onlinepilatesclasses.com. Just go to, actually check your emails. But I want to say it's opc.me/bfcm, Black Friday Cyber Monday, for the short link for that. In December, in literally a week, we leave and we hit the road. We are driving to Colorado. We're gonna be in Colorado Springs. We're not gonna review all the days and the locations and all the things.Lesley Logan 6:32  There's 23 of them. Brad Crowell 6:33  There are 23 cities, public stops there. And we have, you know, definitely more than 50% sold out. We are more than that already as we're recording this, and you know. Lesley Logan 6:44  Powered by Balanced Body, so we're gonna be bringing our Controlology line with us. We'll have some prizes from them. You don't have to be a Pilates instructor to come. You don't even have to have done Pilates for you to come. (inaudible) my fucking friends have come, and they don't, have never done it before. So you are welcome to bring a family member or ditch them and say that you have something to do for work. It's important. Everyone understands. So go to opc.me/tour for tickets in the remaining stops. And then what's also happening later in December, because we're not doing a Black Friday, Cyber Monday sale for Profitable Pilates this year, we are doing something special December 26th through the 31st so, but you'll need to have the be on the email list for Profitable Pilates. So if you're not on that list, you need to get on that list, yeah, and go do that. And then after our tour is over, we come home. I fix my roots, I change my nails, I launch a mentorship program, and then we drive out to Huntington Beach. Brad Crowell 7:40  I think I'll shave while you're doing all those things. Lesley Logan 7:40  I mean, you'll have your shave going on, but you'll probably need a trim. So we're gonna go, we'll be at the Pilates Journal Expo in Huntington Beach. It's the first time the Pilates Journal is doing an event in the States. It's a humongous lineup of teachers, some that I, who I used to take from when I was a baby Pilates person, and some that I've taught how to teach. So it's kind of crazy. So you'll want to go to the Pilates Journal Expo to join us on that party, xxll.co/pilatesjournal. Then we're home for a little bit, thank goodness, because, like everybody and their mom is wanting to visit in February, and, oh, there's more in January. Brad Crowell 8:05  Yeah, there's more in Jan. So we're gonna be.Lesley Logan 8:12  It's also my birthday. I don't see that on the events list.Brad Crowell 8:17  For those of you who've been interested in joining us on a Pilates retreat where we hang out, we decompress from all the insanity that this life has for us. Each and every one of us is different. Go to crowsnestretreats.com. Get yourself on the waitlist. In January, we're going to be doing our pre sale, our early bird for our retreat for next year, which will be in October at our home in Cambodia. We're actually going to be doing a call at the middle end of January. It's not yet on the calendar exactly, but we're going to have a call, and we're going to interview a couple of our past attendees. We're going to hang out, we're going to talk about the trip and all the things that everybody's ever wanted to know. It's going to be great. So come join us for that, but you got to be on the waitlist for that. Go to crowsnestretreats.com to get on the waitlist. And then in February, something that is really I'm passionate about as well, is Agency Mini. Okay, so as you know, we coach Pilates business owners, and we have a coaching program and all those fun things. But people ask, you know, often look at it and go, I don't know if I'm ready for a six month commitment. No problem. That's why we created Agency Mini, and it's a three-day program. Okay? Used to be seven. We've shrunk it down to three, because we all know how crazy life actually is. It is a really powerful three days, and you should join us for that. Go to prfit.biz/mini prfit.biz/mini. That's profit without the O.Lesley Logan 9:35  And then we get on our plane for the first time in almost six months. Brad Crowell 9:39  Which is insane. Lesley Logan 9:40  Insane but so delicious. I'm sitting here knowing we have six months not. Brad Crowell 9:45  Of no flying. Lesley Logan 9:46  So it's the really ridiculous thing. But I saw it on the day we were at the airport some reel which is like, Have you ever been to the airport and you realize, like, every time I go to the airport, it is everybody's first time on this earth. And so I was just like looking at people, and honestly, I had more empathy for them. I'm like, well, it's their first time here. And then we pull a move where we like, just stop in the middle of the airport, like you did, like, like people do, and then we're just like, turn and like, I'm like, so sorry. Brad Crowell 10:11  Cutting people off. Oops.Lesley Logan 10:11  Like, I was like, oops, I'm so sorry. It's our first time on this planet. They didn't understand what I was saying. But I laugh my heart out. But anyways, we're home for six months, and then when we get on a plane, it's a big deal because we are going to be in three different countries, teaching in the content, continent of Europe, because I can't say the EU anymore, since the Brexit. So school year, we're starting to right, I have to like London and England is its own thing. Brad Crowell 10:37  Almost positive. Lesley Logan 10:38  I have to say, like the European continent, so annoying, but we'll just say,Brad Crowell 10:44  Yeah, it's considered part of Europe geographically. Lesley Logan 10:46  But not the EU. Brad Crowell 10:47  Although technically it's the European continental shelf. Anyway, no, it's not the EU but it is part of Europe.Lesley Logan 10:54  It's like when we were in John o'Groats, and we had to be so specific, we couldn't say we were at the top of the UK. We had to say we're at the top of the mainland UK.Brad Crowell 10:58  Right. Because there are islands north of the mainland.Lesley Logan 11:01  Or top of mainland Scotland. So okay, so in March, we're going to be in Poland at the Controlology Pilates Conference, xxll.co/poland Karen Frischmann is doing that with me, and it's really fun. We haven't been back there in a couple of years. Really, really great time. Really cool people there. So I can't wait to see you guys. And then the next weekend we'll be in Brussels. Els Studio tells and you want to go to xxll.co/brussels same, two teachers, very different workshops, also private sessions. So choose the adventure you want to go on, check out both lineups, and pick the one you want to go to or come to both and hang out with us in two different countries, why not? And then in April, Brad and I will be at the POT in London. We're very excited about it, it's my first POT in London, (inaudible) I know it's, it's gonna be a great time. It's gonna be a really fun to see all those people. So pick the one you want, my European fabulous people, because that's it for 2026. That's all there is. Brad Crowell 11:59  So xxll.co/poland or slash Brussels. Eventually we might have slash London, but they're not. They don't even have a landing page up yet to buy tickets for that. Lesley Logan 12:08  From the time that we're recording this. Brad Crowell 12:08  Yeah, we're just, we're putting it on your radar. So go to pilates.com and go see their continuing education. That's where they have all that information about future POTs Pilates On Tour. Brad Crowell 12:19  All right, so this week, we had a question for you from Natalie. Lesley Logan 12:25  Hit me with it. Brad Crowell 12:27  @nathalieds9011 asks on YouTube about the video, How to Take Your Pilates Practice Outdoors. She said, hey, how about doing Pilates outdoors during winter in Madrid, which is where I am, winter is not extreme. I have a big terrace, which is where I do Pilates. Since inside my apartment, there's just not that much space for me to move.Lesley Logan 12:43  I mean, if you live somewhere where it's beautiful in the winter, fuck yeah. Do it outside. Tag me in a video. Take one of my classes on OPC, or Pilates Anytime or on YouTube. And I want to see your, I want to live vicariously through you, because, let me tell you, I would love being in Madrid in the winter. Instead, I am in the winter places. Brad Crowell 13:04  I'm in the winter places.Lesley Logan 13:04  I'm in the places where winter happens. But I would, love that's great. I mean, like, when I did that video, I was being conscious of, like, if I say, you do it outdoors, I'm gonna get someone say I can't. It's negative 21 degrees here, and it's gonna be 115 here. So I have to, like, you know, be considerate, because some people just don't feel seen. So you, my dear, are in the blessed space. We actually have a couple OPC members who also live in Spain, and they do their Pilates outside all year long. So please, rock on. Do it, but, but basically, when you're doing Pilates outside, there's just things to consider. You can check out that video we did on YouTube, because I'm not gonna list the exhaust, exhaustive list that I gave on there, but we just did Pilates in Cambodia, and something we have to consider is, like bugs, you know, rain. We can do it in the rain there, because we have a covered patio, but as long as the rain isn't going sideways, which can happen, then we have these things that we bring down to make the walls. So it's not so much water on the patio, but the mosquitoes don't care, so we have to we have extra fans that like make it harder for them to land, you know. So there's just things you want to think about when you're doing Pilates outside, and I have blue eyes, it is really difficult for me to do outside Pilates when there's no cover. I was doing, early in the spring, I was doing yoga outside in the morning, and it was fine, as long as I was in down dog, but the moment I came up, the sun was in my face, and I was like, well, this isn't this is terrible. I need sunglasses, but you can't do sunglasses. You can't work out with sunglasses. So like you just it looks stunning. Just make sure you have things set up so that you're not constantly distracted from your workout, about being outside. You know that's all. Brad Crowell 13:06  Love it. Lesley Logan 13:06  If you have a question, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534, or submit them at beitpod.com/questions, where I would like you to send a win as well. I'm being demanding here. Come on. You have a win in your life. You do. You wanna know something, one of our retreaters would. Brad Crowell 13:06  You wanna know something. Lesley Logan 13:06  You wanna know something. One of our, one of our retreaters shared a win one day after our retreat. She said, I only said, I'm sorry two times. It was amazing. Like, if you walk around like, that's a fucking win. Huge win. Instead of walking around, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Like, she just said, excuse me, and then when she needed to, she said, I'm sorry, and she's like, oh, two times it was such a win. So those are the wins I want to hear. I don't need to hear, like, I have my biggest launch ever. Okay, great. That's wonderful. I'm super excited for you, and you can send that in, but like, there were little wins along the way. And if you don't celebrate those you are, you're unlikely to feel fulfilled for a long period of time. So send them in. Brad Crowell 13:37  Yeah, I just looked up on our board we have a win. Lesley Logan 13:37  Great. Brad Crowell 13:37  I'm gonna read it. Lesley Logan 13:37  Oh, okay, okay great. Brad Crowell 13:37  Big win this week. This is from Jordan BB, I've neglected using my Wunda Chair for quite a while now. So I decided it was time to break out my Chair Flashcards. I started working through the order and whatever bits of time I had available each day, starting from the top of the deck each day to get to the to get the repetition. By the time I got to my second week, I started feeling connections in my body that the week previous, I couldn't have even dreamed of. Exercises that felt impossible to move were actually moving. But even better, I felt more connected to myself. Super excited to add my Chair back into my regular rotation. Thank you, Lesley for the amazing flashcards. Lesley Logan 16:32  I mean, I'm so grateful for you. And don't click that off, Brad, because I'm going to say it on FYF so she can hear it on one of those episodes. But thank you like that is so freaking cool. Brad Crowell 16:42  Great job, Jordan. Lesley Logan 16:43  I just want another shout out to Jordan. She is also a listener who, when she discovered this podcast, went back to the beginning and listened to every single one. Brad Crowell 16:51  Wow. Lesley Logan 16:51  I know. So pretty big deal. Pretty amazing win. All right, Jordan, you're amazing. I'll put that in FYF so you're gonna hear it twice, because what if she misses this episode? All right, let's talk about John Mollura.Brad Crowell 17:05  John Mollura. Okay, so stick around. We'll be right back. We're going to talk about John. Brad Crowell 17:11  Welcome back. All right, let's dig into this convo you have with John Mollura. John is a personal coach and keynote speaker who helps people move from fear and hesitation into confidence and action, which I love that. For 15 years he had he led test operations on NASA missions before stepping into a new chapter as an award winning photographer, with work featured in National Geographic. Today, he shares those experiences through coaching and his signature talk, Elite Level Confidence, giving people simple tools to build trust in themselves and take consistent action in their lives. Look, we, Lesley and I have, man, we connected with John three or four years ago now, and. Lesley Logan 17:52  At least, he was in the hundreds. So.Brad Crowell 17:54  Yeah, look, if you like to read newsletters, John's newsletters are great. He really takes time to write enjoyable newsletters, and I read them. Lesley Logan 18:05  You don't read anything. Brad Crowell 18:07  I don't really read anything. So John's newsletters are really fun. So I really like that. I feel like I've been along his journey with him, as he's shifted from engineer to photographer to now being a speaker and a coach, so we're really fired up for him. It's been awesome to have him. He's coming to speak to Agency, our coaching group multiple times, and his content is available for those who are members of Agency. And then we were like, hey, man, would you like to be back on the pod? And we got this epic episode. It's like this episode felt like a mic drop moment on every chapter of the conversation that y'all, y'all were having, you know, talking about confidence, talking about perfectionism, talking about all these great things that, I, I literally listened to it twice. So. Lesley Logan 18:58  I love that, that's so good. Well, thanks for doing that. I mean, it's so fun to have guests back and see where they've gone. Some people have gone further in the same lane. Some people have switched lanes. Some people have reversed and then rewound and, you know, like it's and so he has switched lanes. But really it seems like it all aligns, because he, basically what I like that he said, which goes with what I'm just saying, is that he talked about, it's being really important to be aware. Like, the more aware you are, it's actually a really powerful thing and and it's because when you have a seeker mindset, right? Like, that's going to help you, when you have that curiosity, it's going to help you in what you want to be and what you want to do. So clearly, he was in that seeking mode, that being aware mode, and that's where he's like, Oh, I'm a, I'm an award winning photographer, I'm a NASA engineer, but I actually really want, I'm feeling called, to do this thing over here and it lights me up, and that, you, just going to Gay Hendricks like, that's his genius zone. Like, it would be so easy for him to it's, it's a what does Gay call it, like, your whatever. Like, there's a zone of excellence, which is his photography, but his own genius is this. And I just really loved it. He also said, like, when you are being aware, it's important that you don't judge yourself with your awareness. Like, that's where the critic lives. You like things you'll say is like, well, that's not gonna happen. Or, like, this is never gonna work. But instead, shifting into that seeker mindset and having awareness and curiosity.Brad Crowell 20:23  Yeah, that, so, okay, this part, I thought, was really heartfelt, because he already in his adult life with kids and a wife changed from being a, I'm guessing, stable, high paying government job, where he's an engineer for NASA, to an unstable, potentially high paying, but who knows, job of being a photographer. Now he happens to kick ass at being a photographer, you know, but he said, the engineering job, he quit. He started something else. He got another engineering job, then realized that still wasn't the right answer. Then he started doing something that he found fulfilling. And then after a while, was like, this isn't doing it either. And then decided to make us another change in his adult life. And he's like, I honestly didn't even want to tell my wife, because she'd already been on the journey with me getting out of being an engineer. And now I'm like, thought I was doing the thing I wanted to do, but I'm not feeling it, you know, it's not actually the right thing for me. And and then, you know, and so he has, what I thought was really great, is you threw in there. Well, look, it was maybe we end up thinking that we need to do this thing for because we made the decision, right? For me, this really resonated with my decision to go to college for music, right? And I left. And then my whole time in Los Angeles, for the for the first decade I was there, I was like, I am a musician. That's how I defined myself. It's how I saw myself. I am in a band. I do perform. This is what I do. This is who I am. And when you started, when that started to shift and change and not be that anymore. I was like, well, what do I do now? You know, that I'm not, you know, can I do something else? Like, am I allowed? Because I felt (inaudible), I had literally spent $80,000 or whatever was going to college. I don't even know. A lot of money, you know, going to college to be a musician, you know, am I, am I like, is it okay to not be a musician anymore? You know, while I still can think of myself as a musician today, that's not my primary thing that I'm doing, but it was just one step along the way and and I think it's okay for us to be making these changes in our lives. You know, my I never talked with my friend about this, but my high school buddy went to school to be an engineer, right? He went to Germany, he came back, he was doing all this really fancy engineering stuff, and then somewhere along the way, was like, I this isn't it. And then he went back to school to be a doctor. Like, I was like, wait, you signed up for like, four more years of school after already going to, like four or five years of school. And, you know, now he's a doctor, and I have to imagine he really likes it, or he wouldn't keep doing it. But that is quite a path to jump from one to another, especially when the foundation to become a doctor again, you're, you're starting over, in a way, you know, so.Lesley Logan 20:25  Yeah, I think that's and I think that clearly in that instance, like, he must have had to be a seeker and not a judger in his like, well, this is gonna work. Oh my God, it's four more years of school. Brad Crowell 23:33  Judging himself. Lesley Logan 23:39  Like, using himself, you know, or what like, and this is like, this is the hard part, right? Because when you share some things, it's really, really important who you share stuff with. Like, I think sometimes some of you who are listening, you so badly want someone in your life's love that you're telling them the thing that you're wanting to do, and they are not your cheerleader. It's not because they are an asshole or trying to be an asshole, it's that they are in the critic zone. And so you have to be mindful, like, who you're sharing your dreams with, until you feel the muscle is very strong. And I don't think that that was, like, why he didn't want to share it with his wife, but we were very clear, like he was just was just like, now we're starting all over again. But like, I do think that, like, there are, like, when we told my grandfather we're in Cambodia, he's like, it's not safe there, right? And we're like. Brad Crowell 24:32  What's he, like, all he's doing is projecting his own fear. Lesley Logan 24:34  His own fear, you know, and so, so just be mindful those of you who are listening, who are like, in the curious space, in the awareness space, and you're feeling called, yes, you have excellent investments and other things you've done in your life, but you're being called to do something else. Be mindful that you tell the friends who are like, fuck yeah, you should do that. The other people in your life, you'll tell them when the muscle is a bit stronger, because I would just be afraid that their critic will come out and bring your critic to the party, and we don't need that.Brad Crowell 25:05  Well, I think, I think the high level here, you know, the conclusion of this thought is awareness plus curiosity is a win, right? Awareness plus curiosity, it enables progress, right? So no matter where you are in your life, no matter what projects you're working on, if you have both awareness and curiosity, you will be able to move that ball forward. So love that. And speaking of your grandfather, that leads into what I really loved in a roundabout way, you'll get, we'll get there. Lesley Logan 25:36  I can't wait. I'm excited. I'm looking at these notes. Did you know, my grandfather?Brad Crowell 25:41  I did. So the big three that John talked about, this was a whole nother chapter of the conversation, and this is where I kept saying, these are mic drop moments, you know? He said, hey, look, you know, it's not even about perfection. It's not even about procrastination. He said, in fact, there are the, these are the big three things that I talk about all the time, perfectionism, procrastination and overthinking. He said these three behaviors constantly derail us from doing the things that we want to do, or the things that we say are so important for us. And he said the thing that they're like they don't, all three of them share the same root. Okay, what are, what is the root of perfectionism, procrastination and overthinking? Lesley Logan 26:22  Drum roll, please. Brad Crowell 26:26  Fear. Right? And this is what your grandfather was, was applying. He was, he was projecting his fear on us. And that's when, when you share something with someone, be cautious of that in the sense that they are, they know you really well. They love you. They want the best for you. And they are going to immediately, like, look at it and see what is the problem that that could happen here. And they're going to push that out there and right? And that could be really deflating for you, especially if you aren't yet, like you don't yet have surety in the place you're going, you're feeling it out right, because that, like they don't want you to be hurt or fail, or any of those things and fear is that that root, and it's easy for that to blossom into these things, perfectionism, procrastination and overthinking. And he said, by understanding that fear is the root of these three people, can now get honest with ourselves and begin asking, what is it actually that I'm so scared of? What is it actually? I can't remember who it was, but a couple weeks ago, we had another episode. She was a business coach. Lesley Logan 27:37  Oh, Jill. Brad Crowell 27:39  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it was, I think it was her. She said, what am I afraid of? What's the worst could happen. I could go bankrupt, right? And I was like, well, that's a pretty big deal, you know? But for her, she was like, okay. Lesley Logan 27:52  Jill Allen. Dr. Jill Allen.Brad Crowell 27:52  Dr. Jill Allen, yeah she said, okay, I could go bankrupt. And it's like, well, okay, but she acknowledged that, like, what am I so afraid of, if that's the worst that could happen can that be overcome? Like, is that like, it doesn't it's not something to laugh at. But what if it do? What if it does happen? Lesley Logan 28:10  I don't know. Do I share this, like, my, I remember my trainer when I was, like, thinking of breaking up with my ex, and I was like, just like, not. He's like, what are you afraid of? Like, I don't. He's like, you're not gonna die. Like, he's like, to me, the scariest thing, the thing that, like, the ultimate fear, is death. And you breaking up with him, you're not gonna die. Like, in my situation, I'm sure that that's not the same for other people, but in my I could, he would just let me walk away. And I was like, oh, I'm not gonna die. That is, that is I can do like, I love this question. I think it's really important to reflect on and journal about Brad Crowell 28:40  What am I so scared of? I remember being my first I just moved to L.A. and I had no money, and I got a job at this restaurant. It took me a week to get a job at a restaurant of where I walked around to, I don't know, a dozen more, I don't even know. I would evaluate the restaurant, see how busy they were at dinner, decide, could I make enough money here, and then, do I want to work here? Does this seem cool? And I would put in an application, and I went to all these different places, and I finally got this job, because I went back a second a third time, I really wanted to work at this restaurant. And I then I met these guys, and they offered me a job. And I called my best friend at the time and I said, hey, man, I'm thinking of doing this. And he I said, but I'm worried. I'm worried about, you know, like, they're gonna pay me a salary, but I've, I've, I would be, I would have to give up my restaurant job. And he's like, you can get another restaurant job. And I was like, oh, you're right. Like, that's so true. Lesley Logan 29:37  Yes, yes, even in a shitty economy, there's always an opportunity for something. It might not be, you know, it might not be the the restaurant job, but it would be a restaurant job like, you know, like, there's just, there's, there's options.Brad Crowell 29:52  Yeah, so I just thought that was really astute of John to take these three things, which we all have dealt with, struggled with in our lives, perfectionism, procrastination, overthinking, connect the dots that there's fear is the root of these three things, and then how do we how do we lean into that? What are we so afraid of? What are we so afraid of? Lesley Logan 30:18  Yeah, and your fears are allowed to be like, they could be legitimate fears. And then at least the power is removed when it has air, you know, like the power of fear is really removed when you just, like, put it out on the table. And at least then you can figure out, like, well, what would I do if that happened? You know, so I loved it. I loved, you know, John's, we posted the tour, and we'll be at Rehoboth Beach Delaware. Brad Crowell 30:42  Yeah, it's, it's really close to where he lives.Lesley Logan 30:45  I think it's really close. I think we should finally fucking see him. Brad Crowell 30:53  Yeah, yeah, it's gonna be good. Lesley Logan 30:57  John. Brad Crowell 30:57  We're calling you out, John, we're calling you. Lesley Logan 30:57  We're gonna, we gotta talk. Brad Crowell 30:57  We're gonna call you. Lesley Logan 30:53  We gotta talk about food. How about coffee. How about a happy hour?Brad Crowell 30:57  Love it. All right. Well, stick around. We'll be right back, because we've got some great Be It Action Items from John as well. Lesley Logan 31:04  John, you can also text us. That's fine too. Brad Crowell 31:06  Yeah. All right, we'll be right back. Brad Crowell 31:10  Finally, let's talk about those Be It Action Items. What are the bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items that we could take away from your convo with John Mollura. He said, confidence is the ability to trust yourself. Confidence is the ability to trust yourself. Most of us are showing up for the person we've made a commitment to. Okay, I'll pick you up at six. Okay, I'll do the dishes. Okay, I'll take the trash out, right? You're committing to someone else. I'll do my homework. I'll do this thing, whatever. But we constantly let our own selves down. And it doesn't seem like a big deal. Lesley Logan 31:48  It is a humongous deal. You say you're gonna go to bed at 9 pm and you don't go to bed till 10, you are literally taking a drop out of the confidence bucket.Brad Crowell 31:57  Yeah, and it's subconscious. You might not be like, oh, can't believe it. Oh, I didn't go to bed at nine o'clock.Lesley Logan 32:03  Please, please listen to the habits podcast, and don't do that.Brad Crowell 32:05  In your in in your belief you're chipping away at the foundation of confidence that you have in yourself when you don't uphold your own decisions to yourself, right? And you might not realize that that's happening. But he explained the actual root cause of people's lack of confidence is that they're not showing up for themselves, and meaning that loss of self-trust because we consistently and continually break commitments we made to ourselves time and time again, that will it's it's fascinating, because John is an engineer first, so he still thinks and talks like an engineer, even though he's very creative with photography and now working with his clients and coaching. But he started talking about data, you know, or the data, sorry, and so he said, he said, you why, why don't we uphold these things to ourselves? Because we never have upheld these things to ourselves. But we can change that. We can rectify that by starting to keep these promises to ourselves. When you start to give your brain a new set of data to work with, instead of the old data of broken self-promises, right? So how do we do that? Small, consistent actions that aren't a big thing, but over time, they add up to I am consistent. I do this thing. I do wake up, you know, earlier. I do go all the things that we say we want to go do, but we don't uphold we don't do them. Why don't we follow through? It's because we never have. Well, we can change that by making these small decisions, day by day.Lesley Logan 33:38  Agreed. I loved these, he gave us some questions, and this is really fun thing for you to journal upon. It said, when making conscious decisions on honor one's future self, one must ask, is what I'm going to do or not do going to cause me to be a hero to the future me? I love this like I love this. I look back at the the me in 2013 who made that big decision, go, I'm a fucking hero to myself, like, I thank God I fucking did that when I did it, because my whole life was like the domino effect of like, everything that I wanted. So yes, right? The goal is to ensure that when you meet your future self, you are not staying there tired and disappointed because you failed to go after it. Like if you ever said, oh, by this date, I want to have X thing. And then you didn't do anything, and then you got to that day like, I wanted to be over here by now. Well, the effort thing, it's not like I have missed dates on goals that I was working towards. And there's a difference between actually working towards something and the deadline is further than you thought, than not doing anything at all, and getting to the deadline,Brad Crowell 34:47  I think, I mean, I was thinking about goal setting and all that kind of stuff. Like, okay, this, this quarter in business, we're gonna do $100,000 and you, you know, work, work, work, and you make only $60,000 but it was more than you've ever made before. It doesn't mean that you like didn't make that you didn't keep a promise to yourself.Lesley Logan 35:09  Right. Well, were you, were you the person who could like, did the effort you put towards it, could it have been $100,000 if the stars had aligned? Then, then you should, whatever you land with you should celebrate, because the person that you made yourself be to do those things is the goal, is the journey, right? Is the hero. So the action should result in you high fiving yourself and saying, thank you for honoring me. Thank you for doing that, that the thing in that moment. He also said, you can call him. You guys, I have not like, that's insane, free calls. And he also gave some free resources over on his site, on johnnmollura.com, that's John with an H-N-N.Brad Crowell 35:10  Yeah, J-O-H-N-M-O-L-L-U-R-A dot com, johnmollura.com. Lesley Logan 35:49  Yeah. So check those out. I love it. John, you're such an inspiration. Thank you for sharing your journey with us and the Be It Till You See It babes. I'm Lesley Logan. Brad Crowell 36:06  And I'm Brad Crowell. Lesley Logan 36:07  Thanks for joining us. How are you going to use these tips in your life? Tag John. Tell us. Send this to a friend who needs to hear who needs to be a hero in their life, and until next time, Be It Till You See It.Brad Crowell 36:17  Bye for now. Lesley Logan 36:19  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. 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For "Turn the Page with Colorado Matters," former NPR science reporter David Baron, of Boulder, talks about his new book, "The Martians: The True Story of an Alien Craze That Captured Turn-Of-the-Century America." Listen to a captivating conversation in front of an audience at Library 21c in Colorado Springs. This first aired on August 15, 2025. 

Luis Cervantes was born in Mexico City, Mexico and was raised in Montrose, CO. He graduated in 2016 from the University of Colorado at Colorado Springs with a Bachelors in Sports Training and Conditioning. After spending 3 seasons with the Colorado Rockies, Cervantes accepted an opportunity with the Los Angeles Angels in 2021. Prior to his career with Minor League Baseball, Cervantes was with the United States Airforce Academy and a few private training facilities. Luis currently resides in Mesa, AZ.Topics covered in this episode:-The importance of being a good father and husband-Being a 2x ACL Champion-Similarities and differences between working in different organizations-Emotional intelligence and soft skillsQuotes:-"You grind during the season, but then you earn that offseason where you have a little bit more relaxing time with your family" (6:21)-"I think that's something you need to teach: teaching how to win" (13:21)-"You have to have the soft skills and emotional intelligence to know your audience and what you're gonna talk about" (25:38)If you would like to learn more from Luis, you can connect with him on LinkedIn!

Episode Summary: Western civilization is being washed away by a flood of corrosive ideas. In a moment such as this, we must anchor ourselves to the firm foundation from whom its flourishing grew. We need a last-ditch ‘Hail Mary,' or more so a wholehearted “Hail Christ the King.” This week, John Stonestreet shares about the new documentary he co-hosted, Truth Rising. In this candid conversation, we cover why our cultural moment feels unmoored, why truth can't remain a private belief, and how courageous discipleship can actually rebuild what's been breaking.Drawing on themes from Truth Rising, John helps us make sense of the cultural crossroads before us: decline, revolution, or renewal. He emphasizes the need to call believers to a fuller gospel that actively engages in God's redemptive work in every area of culture and life. As we discuss the powerful testimonies of Jack Phillips, Chloe Cole, and others, we consider the real cost of believers speaking and living for the truth. Join us for a conversation that will challenge and equip you to take your next step toward truth, love, and cultural transformation.Who is Disciple Nations Alliance (DNA)? Since 1997, DNA's mission has been to equip followers of Jesus around the globe with a biblical worldview, empowering them to build flourishing families, communities, and nations.

Shrinking your holiday footprint on the planet can seem daunting – but this episode offers tips to make it a joy. Peak Alliance for a Sustainable Future (PASF) is deviating from the norm this month. Instead of the usual live, third Wednesday Zoom event, the November Sustainability in Progress is this pre-recorded studio conversation.This conversation is about the holidays, discovering local resources to give meaningful and lifelong gifts to reduce waste. Host Mary Barber of PASF is joined by Ally Richardson of Pikes Peak Permaculture and Dave Gardner of GrowthBusters (both are regular co-producers of the Studio 809 Podcasts Peak Environment podcast).We're considering making some changes in SIP, and we're inviting collaboration. Help Peak Alliance for a Sustainable Future and the entire sustainability/resiliency community make plans for 2026. Please take this poll: https://forms.gle/aJCcs4Lv9ZAVk6E69LINKS MENTIONED: Pikes Peak Bulletin Winter Holiday Calendar with local-maker markets: https://pikespeakbulletin.org/events/2025-winter-holiday-calendar-events-and-markets-in-the-spirit-of-the-season/Colorado Springs Mom winter markets calendar: https://cospringsmom.com/parenting-wisdom/winter-markets-in-colorado-springs/Downtown Shopping Gift Card: https://downtowncs.com/event/shop-local-win-local/Resource Central Garden in a Box: https://resourcecentral.org/gardens/Center for Biological Diversity's Simplify The Holidays Helpful Tips: https://simplifytheholidays.org/So Kind Gift Registry: https://sokindregistry.org/Who Gives a Scrap for the crafty: https://whogivesascrapcolorado.com/Volunteer with the City of Colorado Springs: https://hr.coloradosprings.gov/VolunteerOpportunitiesFind opportunities at Flying Pig Farm, community farm practicing permaculture and building resilience: https://flyingpigmanitou.org/Divert waste with Galvanize Recycling: https://www.galvanizerecycling.com/services/El Paso County Hazardous Waste Facility: https://communityresources.elpasoco.com/household-hazardous-waste/Compost with Food To Power: https://foodtopowerco.org/Other holiday-related podcast episodes we mentioned:Sustainable Holiday - Peak Environment episode #66Have Yourself A Low Impact Holiday - Peak Environment episode #112Plastic Bags Update & Moving Toward Zero Waste: Policy Wins, Advice and Resources - Peak Environment episode...

How did a small town south of Denver emerge as the center of evangelical capitalism after World War II? Historian Dr. William Schultz explains how evangelicals' faith intertwined with a specific interpretation of Americanism, especially during the Cold War era, and how this allowed them to transition from the margins of society to the epicenter of conservative dialogue.About our guest:William Schultz is a historian of American religion with an interest in the intersection of religion, politics, and capitalism.  Schultz is currently finishing his first book, Jesus Springs: Evangelical Capitalism and the Fate of an American City (under contract with UNC Press), which explains how the confluence of evangelical Christianity and free-market capitalism transformed the city of Colorado Springs into an epicenter of American conservatism. His next project, The Wages of Sin: Faith, Fraud, and Religious Freedom in Modern America, uses cases of financial fraud between the 1920s and 1990s to explore how Americans have struggled with questions of religious authority and authenticity. Prior to joining the University of Chicago, Schultz was a postdoctoral fellow at the University of Pennsylvania and a faculty fellow at Harvard University. He received his B.A. from the University of North Carolina and his Ph.D. from Princeton University. 

Send us a textYou know you're delivering great results - now let's make it easier for clients to refer you!In this episode, I sit down with Stacey Brown Randall, author of The Referable Client Experience and Generating Business Referrals Without Asking - to discuss what it takes to grow your business consistently through referrals (and spoiler: it's not just delivering great results).We talk about how to intentionally design a customer experience that creates loyal, raving clients who want to refer you - without awkward asks or cringey follow-up scripts. Stacey breaks down her proven framework for turning great client relationships into a steady stream of warm, aligned referrals - all rooted in human connection, not pressure.Inside this conversation, you'll learn:Why “doing great work” isn't enough to earn consistent referrals3 stages of the client journey (new, active, alumni) and how the way your customer feels at each stage impacts their referralsHow to balance work touch points with relationship touch pointsHow to make referrals feel effortless - for both you and your clientsIf you're ready to stop relying on favors and start earning referrals that feel genuine, timely, and aligned, this episode is your roadmap.Links & References:Want more ways to get referrals?  Join us at the next PWR Virtual Speed Networking Event!For faster business growth through networking, strategy and accountability, check out the  Powerful Women Rising Business Growth Community!Learn more and connect with Stacey Brown Randall on Instagram or at www.staceybrownrandall.comSupport the showConnect with Your Host!Melissa Snow is a Business Relationship Strategist dedicated to empowering women in entrepreneurship. She founded the Powerful Women Rising Community, which provides female business owners with essential support and resources for business growth. Melissa's other mission is to revolutionize networking, promoting authenticity and genuine connections over sleazy sales tactics. She runs an incredible monthly Virtual Speed Networking Event which you can attend once at no cost using the code FIRSTTIME She lives in Colorado Springs with two dogs, her soul cat Giorgio and any number of foster kittens. She loves iced coffee, Taylor Swift, and Threads.

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For BNLO's season 2 conclusion, Shutter and Strum's Brian Tryon has been in Colorado for a long time and you know what? He just wants us all to come together as a community. In this epic episode of BNLO, our conversation takes away back into time, all around the place, to Omaha, Knob Hill, downtown, the 80s and so much more. We talk about a city that's changing, social media is changing how artists promote their work and an (almost) creative district that's been on the rise.Plus, what's next for BNLO? What's going on with season 3? Be sure to stay tuned!Sponsored by Blackpackers, produced with Studio 809.Forgive the smudgy look of the bookends, I'm sorry, it looks bleh.Mentioned in this episode:Downtown PartnershipKnob Hill Urban Arts DistrictKnob HIll NeighborhoodUnion Printers Hall ParkFollow BNLO on Facebook, Instagram and TikTok!0:00 Splash/Sponsor/Intro0:31 Greetings and Monologue5:02 Ad Break5:56 Introducing Brian Tryon/Fall is Here8:17 Life as a Teacher12:28 The Young Brian Tryon14:21 Finding Photography, Art and Culture19:55 Growing up Fast and Losing the Passion21:28 Getting Sober27:02 President, Astronaut or…?29:47 COS is Home, But Also Omaha?37:04 Art Appreciation 10140:25 Creating the Garfield Gallery43:22 How to Sell Your Art/WTF is Social Media?51:46 Hustling for a Living54:43 Colorado Springs in the 90s1:01:20 The Case for Preservation1:07:38 Gentrification1:16:16 The Need to Collaborate1:25:14 Leaving a Legacy1:27:22 Investing in Culture Beyond Shooks Run1:34:40 How's Shutter and Strum Doing?1:39:18 Glowing up Knob Hill1:44:49 The Sprawl of COS1:48:01 What's Next for Shutter and Strum1:54:34 Interview Closeout1:57:31 Outro/Credits

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Monday, November 21st, 2022In the Hot Notes; Attorney General Merrick Garland has appointed Jack Smith special counsel to investigate Donald Trump; a shooting at an LGBTQ+ club in Colorado Springs with an assault weapon leaves five dead and 18 injured; a GOP operative is convicted of funneling money to Donald Trump; a Florida judge blocks Desantis anti woke law for colleges; and evidence shows Justice Alito leaked the Hobby Lobby decision before it was released; plus Allison delivers your Good News.Our Guest:Andrew Weissmanhttps://twitter.com/aweissmann_Where Law Endshttps://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/634189/where-law-ends-by-andrew-weissmann/ Our Donation LinksNational Security Counselors - DonateMSW Media, Blue Wave California Victory Fund | ActBlueWhistleblowerAid.org/beansFederal workers - feel free to email AG at fedoath@pm.me and let me know what you're going to do, or just vent. I'm always here to listen. Find Upcoming Actions 50501 Movement, No Kings.org, Indivisible.orgDr. Allison Gill - Substack, BlueSky , TikTok, IG, TwitterDana Goldberg - BlueSky, Twitter, IG, facebook, danagoldberg.comCheck out more from MSW Media - Shows - MSW Media, Cleanup On Aisle 45 pod, The Breakdown | SubstackShare your Good News or Good TroubleMSW Good News and Good TroubleHave some good news; a confession; or a correction to share?Good News & Confessions - The Daily Beanshttps://www.dailybeanspod.com/confessional/ Listener Survey:http://survey.podtrac.com/start-survey.aspx?pubid=BffJOlI7qQcF&ver=shortFollow the Podcast on Apple:The Daily Beans on Apple PodcastsWant to support the show and get it ad-free and early?The Daily Beans | SupercastThe Daily Beans & Mueller, She Wrote | PatreonThe Daily Beans | Apple Podcasts Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Lesley and Brad recap key insights from physical therapist Dr. Jen Fraboni (@docjenfit), co-host of The Optimal Body Podcast. Known for helping people move with less pain and more confidence, Dr. Jen redefines pain as an “alarm,” not a stop sign—your body's way of asking for better care and awareness. Lesley and Brad unpack her practical strategies for building stability before flexibility, tuning in before you train, and aging with strength and ease.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:How Lesley's pain-as-alarm concept to daily self-check habits.Brad overcomes foot pain by staying active instead of stopping.How Lesley's yoga experience illustrated “stability before flexibility” The importance of reflection and consistency when pain shows up unexpectedly.How building strength supports graceful aging and confidence in movement.Episode References/Links:OPC Winter Tour - https://opc.me/tour0Pilates Journal Expo - https://xxll.co/pilatesjournalCambodia Retreat Waitlist - https://crowsnestretreats.com/waitlistAgency Mini - https://prfit.biz/miniContrology Pilates Conference in Poland - https://xxll.co/polandContrology Pilates Conference in Brussels - https://xxll.co/brusselsSubmit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questionsDr. Jen Fraboni's Website - https://jen.healthThe Optimal Body Podcast - https://www.docjenfit.com/podcastDr. Jen Fraboni's Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/docjenfitEpisode 589: Brad Bizjack - https://beitpod.com/ep589 If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! 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You know, just do some reflection. Lesley Logan 0:12  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 0:51  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the empowering convo I had with Jen Fraboni in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, you've missed out on an incredible interview with DocJenFit. That's her Instagram handle or her handle everywhere. So many of you love her, know her, and this was a really cool, I thought, very vulnerable convo as well. She shared a lot about going on her life, how she handles things. I love when people are like, just a human and so it's gonna be really good. So I can't wait to recap it, but before we do that, today is November 20th 2025, and we have two days to celebrate. And to be honest, there was like seven, so we could have chosen. There was a few that I was like, well, I don't use less, so we can't use use less day, because I'm so not participating. But there's a couple others, but we're going to focus on two of them. One is the Great American Smokeout. The American Cancer Society sponsors a Great American Smokeout on the third Thursday of November annually, challenging smokers to give up cigarettes for 24 hours. If you or a loved one smoke cigarettes, consider joining the movement and take the first step towards quitting cigarettes forever. How? Let's both try to do something tough for a day. I'll give up either coffee, sugar, social media. Brad Crowell 2:10  You're you are allowed to pitch this to them. Lesley Logan 2:13  Oh, this is how you're gonna pitch it. Brad Crowell 2:14  Yeah. This is how you're gonna pitch this to them. Lesley Logan 2:15  This is how you're gonna pitch it. So you're gonna, you, if you're a non-smoker, if you're a smoker, then you can tell another smoker, you guys could do it together. But if you're a non-smoker, asking a smoker, then you're gonna say, I'm gonna give up something they know. You're gonna have a hard time giving up for 24 hours. Brad Crowell 2:30  Like, maybe it's Instagram, maybe it's chocolate, could be sugar.Lesley Logan 2:35  Coffee, you know something like that and you give up smoking, think of it as a reset, not a rule. So.Brad Crowell 2:43  And that's what you can also tell them, It's a reset, not a rule. Lesley Logan 2:45  Well, Brad, can we, like, let's how hard, can we talk about it? Brad Crowell 2:50  We can certainly talk about it. Lesley Logan 2:51  Okay, you quit smoking. Brad Crowell 2:53  I did quit smoking. Lesley Logan 2:54  If he had been a smoker when we met, it would have not we would not be married 10 years. Brad Crowell 2:58  It's true. Lesley Logan 2:59  Because we would not have gone on a date. Brad Crowell 3:00  Yeah. I mean, it's. Lesley Logan 3:02  My grandfather was a smoker. Brad Crowell 3:04  It doesn't smell good. Lesley Logan 3:05  Yeah. So I have had two grandfathers who are massive smokers, one who lost a lung to smoking, and another one who had multiple heart problems, and the heart doctor refused to operate on him unless he quit smoking. So I, like, this is a big like, personal thing, because I lost family members to smoking. But I know it's not easy. So Brad.Brad Crowell 3:26  Yeah, I mean, I've told this story before, so it was the decision to smoke or to quit smoking was, for me, it was made emotionally, which is what made it easy. The decision to stop, to stay with that initial decision was actually quite challenging, you know, because of the addiction, because of nicotine, but because I wanted to sing more than I wanted to smoke, that was the emotional decision. It was like, oh my god, this is a very I just have to stop, like, I can't, I can't be on stage and not be able to sing. So that I think that was hard, because I had to hit a wall in order for that decision to become emotional and then for it to actually happen in my life. But okay, great. That's step one. Then step two is consistently not smoking when I used to smoke. So in the car with the window down, or I don't remember, you know, walking out of my apartment complex, there was a there was, like, part of my routine, you know, and doing those things, like continuing to do life, you're going to run back into those instances where you used to do the habit and would always make me think, this is what I would normally pull out a cigarette. And so that was, that was a constant battle for, honestly, for just a few weeks. Lesley Logan 4:56  Well, it's interesting, because so in a couple of weeks, we have a habit series starting and in one of the episodes, I talked about how to unravel a habit. And for smoking, like all we can be completely honest, there is an addictive element to it, in that they made it addictive. So you have a habit, you smoke when you're in traffic. My old roommate, she would she when she quit smoking was the hardest thing, because she's like, Lesley, I'm in traffic for 45 minutes, and I used to just sit there and smoke, and now I am not. So she had lollipops and teas and coffees because she needed something to do in the car. She actually had, like, the patches like, well, that helps you quit. So she's like, I don't even have the craving to smoke. I have the habit. So I will talk about how to unravel a habit in that series in December, so make sure you're paying attention. Okay, the other day, this is really important to Brad and I that we wanted to bring it up. (inaudible)Brad Crowell 5:47  Second thing we wanted to remember today. Lesley Logan 5:50  Yes. So it's Transgender Day of Remembrance. For generations, the transgender population has suffered various forms of abuse and even death for or murder, so we'll call it that, for challenging the views, notions and stereotypes around male and female identity. Every year, we set aside today as Transgender Day of Remembrance. This holiday is meant to honor, commemorate and memorialize those who face discrimination and stigma on a daily basis across this nation. This holiday is also meant to advocate for transgenders people's rights, as well as focus on the persistent struggles they face in their everyday lives and how others can share their love, support and hope. If you listen to this podcast and you have a fucking problem with transgenders, I am just going to be on, I need you to explore why. These are just people. They're just people, and they've been around forever. And I bring it, I bring it up in one of the FYF is coming up about like, how in the indigenous cultures, they actually have people, they already had words for this. This is something. It's actually a fucking cool thing. Like you have the ability to see the world the way they see it through both lenses. It's a powerful thing. And I fucking clearly I'm pissed about it, but I get so annoyed. We flew on a plane the other day, and no one has a problem using a toilet on a plane, but all of a sudden they have a fucking problem of sharing a bathroom with another person of a different gender, and it's like, what are we talking about here? You just shared a bathroom. So I don't understand when they make neutral bathrooms, how people get pissed about that. I also just listened to this one thing. If I could find the reel I'll send it to the team to link it. If you don't see the link below, it's because I couldn't find it. But this person is is explaining how it's sort of the safety of women to in the bathrooms, of why they want people using the bathrooms of their own, like birth certificate, right? And this one person is a trans man. He goes, so what you're actually saying is that men are a danger to women and you don't want them in their bathrooms. So that's the problem. We should solve that problem. We shouldn't be policing genitals. So I just get really upset because it's just bothersome to me. Why do we why do we care so much we have healthcare issues in this country. We have poverty issue. We have children who don't have enough food. Brad Crowell 8:06  We have food issues, yeah. Lesley Logan 8:07  The higher percentage of people. Brad Crowell 8:09  We have water issues. Did you know, I don't remember what the number is, but like, (inaudible) I think, I think it was Jackson, Mississippi, like, they don't have running water in in, like, many parts of the city. I don't know what the the numbers are, but like, that was a thing in a couple years ago. Lesley Logan 8:24  Yes, no, there's a higher percentage of people who are listening to this show that know someone who's homeless, who is a pover in poverty, who has food. What do you call it? Like a food uncertainty? Then then know of someone who's transgendered and so why? Like, what are we doing? So I'm just pissed about it. I'm just over it. I'm over people being so uptight and like that they're a threat to who you are. You know, it goes to that whole thing where it's like, if you don't like abortions, don't get one. If you don't like gay marriage, if somebody of your same sex asks you to marry them, don't say yes. Like, you don't have to do any of these things. You don't have to be trans like this is I just get annoyed. I'm pissed. Anyways, so today is the day to remember the people who have been fighting to exist as they feel like they should exist, and we should do what we can to honor those people. And if you don't know anyone, maybe consider looking at a community service organization in your area that you could donate to if you are listening from Las Vegas, when you buy food from the Bronze Cafe, their proceeds, part of their proceeds go to the LGBTQ community for mental health. So it's really, really cool. We use their restaurant for all of our retreats here in Las Vegas. We can help support that.Brad Crowell 9:37  And they have a second location at the.Lesley Logan 9:43  Oh Brad's so excited. Brad Crowell 9:45  The conservation preserve, the Springs Preserve here, which has has a massive cactus garden. So go to the cactus garden. Go eat lunch, and you'll be also helping support (inaudible) the transgender community here.Lesley Logan 9:58  Yeah, when you come visit Las Vegas, you should go to Springs Preserves, and then you can go to Bronze Cafe. Okay, cool stuff coming up now. So here we go. Brad Crowell 10:06  All right, so here's what we got coming up on the docket, actually, next week, or Yyeah, literally, in a few days, is the Black Friday Cyber Monday coming up for you've probably already been inundated with everything that's been crazy, but for us, we're going to do it actually, during the old school Black Friday Cyber, Cyber Monday is even new. Black Friday, so it's the 26th to the first of December for OPC only, y'all so check your email for more details, starting yesterday. So just go check your emails if you haven't already, we've got an offer for you with OPC.Lesley Logan 10:37  If you didn't get an email, it's because you have not signed up for our emails, or you unsubscribed from us, and we don't take that personally. You could just resubscribe. But yeah, the dates will be November 26th December 1st. Brad Crowell 10:47  If you're wondering what it is and you didn't get the email, just DM us and we can send you the right place.Lesley Logan 10:52  We're really excited about this sale, and it's the one time of the year we do it, so take advantage. Don't ask us on December 2nd for it. It's not how it works. It's actually a lot of work. Brad Crowell 11:01  Speaking of December, we're gonna be on the road again for our winter tour for OPC, and the actual dates we're gonna get, it's like starting on the seventh or sixth.Lesley Logan 11:11  No, it's like the fifth, I think it's the fifth in Colorado Springs, and it ends on. Brad Crowell 11:15  Oh, yeah, we gotta drive there, though, so we leave.Lesley Logan 11:18  We leave earlier than it starts. We come home the day that it ends so but it's like, it's like, December 5th through the January 6th or January 7th. Brad Crowell 11:28  And we do come home the day that ends. Lesley Logan 11:30  I, yeah, I know that we sound like when it comes to this tour that we're like, not organized. The last time we recorded, we had no idea where we're going. And now we do, and it's huge. The whole tour is listed, 23 cities. Brad Crowell 11:42  Yeah, 23. Lesley Logan 11:43  Colorado Springs. Brad Crowell 11:45  23 public events. Lesley Logan 11:46  St Louis.Brad Crowell 11:47  Yeah, the fifth, the first the first event is on December 5 in Colorado Springs, then we go to Fayetteville.Lesley Logan 11:54  Oh, Fayetteville. Oh, I'm so sorry. How could I skip Arkansas. Brad Crowell 11:57  Then St Louis on the 7th. Lesley Logan 11:58  Then St Louis, then Detroit, then Columbus. Brad Crowell 12:01  No, then Lexington. Lesley Logan 12:03  I'm going to Lexington. Brad Crowell 12:04  You're going to Lexington.Lesley Logan 12:04  Oh, I am going to Lexington, but I'm going in that order.Brad Crowell 12:06  Then you're going to Columbus, then you're going to Detroit.Lesley Logan 12:09  What? How does the map work? Am I going like zigzag?Brad Crowell 12:14  Believe it or not, they're almost in line. Yeah, they're, they are.Brad Crowell 12:18  I don't understand the middle. I'm so sorry. Okay, then we go to Pittsburgh. Lesley Logan 12:22  Okay, Pittsburgh. Then we go to. Brad Crowell 12:25  Rochester Lesley Logan 12:26  RochesterBrad Crowell 12:27  New York Lesley Logan 12:27  Oh, yeah, we're going to, do you say Rochester or you go Rochester. How do you say it? Brad Crowell 12:31  RochesterLesley Logan 12:32  RochesterBrad Crowell 12:33  Rochester, New York. And then we go to Boston, Cape Cod, Hartford, Connecticut. That's a new one for us. Hershey, Pennsylvania. We're coming back Rehoboth Beach. Lesley Logan 12:42  That's a new one for us. Brad Crowell 12:43  That's new, to Delaware, that'll be just after Christmas, and then we have Washington, DC, Virginia Beach, Charlotte, North Carolina. That's new for us. We've got Delray. This is Florida. We're gonna be hoofing it from North Carolina all the way down to Delray, Florida. This is new.Lesley Logan 12:59  Christmas Eve, Del Rey. Brad Crowell 13:01  Nope, New Year's Eve Del Rey. On a roll, here.Lesley Logan 13:07  You guys Del Rey is near Fort Lauderdale, Hollywood, Florida, correct? Brad Crowell 13:11  Yeah. It's just north of Fort Lauderdale, I think. Lesley Logan 13:14  So our Miami stop has moved up a little bit because most of you are driving from that area anyway, so you're welcome. And then we do New Year's Day with our Pilates crew that's in Tampa.Brad Crowell 13:26  Yes. Lesley Logan 13:26  And then we go to Pensacola. Brad Crowell 13:28  Yes. Then New Orleans. Lesley Logan 13:30  New Orleans, and then Houston. Brad Crowell 13:31  Then, Houston. Lesley Logan 13:32  Houston. We haven't been to Houston in years.Brad Crowell 13:34  Yeah, it's been quite a few years for us to be in Houston. That'll be on January 4th and then fifth in Austin, and then Phoenix, we're coming to you on the seventh.Lesley Logan 13:42  Yeah. So get your tickets at opc.me/events, by the way. Brad Crowell 13:46  Nope, opc.me/tour, opc.me/tour. Lesley Logan 13:50  There's two links. Okay, sorry, opc.me/tour is where you get your tickets. And at the time we're recording this, we're over 57% sold out. By the time you're hearing this, it's going to be way closer to sold out, because literally, nine events only have one spot right now in them. So go to opc.me/tour. Bring your friends. Also in December, we didn't do a Profitable Pilates Black Friday, Cyber Monday this year, because we want you to focus on, so save the date, December 26th or the 31st that will be on the Profitable Pilates newsletter list. So you have to be on that one. So for the Pilates instructors studio owners who want business flights, we're gonna have some special deal on Agency. We've never done it before. So make sure you're watching your inbox for that if you don't get those emails, just DM us and the team will help you out. Brad Crowell 14:36  By the way, we're 55% sold out. Lesley Logan 14:39  Oh, I know, but we're. Brad Crowell 14:40  I just checked. Lesley Logan 14:41  I know, but it hasn't been updated in 48 hours, so.Brad Crowell 14:44  Maybe even more, so it might be closer to 60. Good stuff.Lesley Logan 14:48  Yeah, I think so. And then after our tour, we come home for one day, kick off, eLevate, get our roots done, get our nails done by (inaudible), and then we go to Huntington Beach. Teach for the Pilates Journal Expo. This is a really cool two-day event, huge lineup of teachers. I don't I it's like a fucking party. So you should just go to xxll.co/pilatesjournal. So just two Xs guys, xxll.co/pilatesjournal. And then if you aren't already on the waitlist, you'll want to be on the waitlist because also, in January, we're going to open up the early bird registration for our Pilates retreat in Cambodia. This we just came back from. Brad Crowell 15:28  Y'all it is going to be amazing. Lesley Logan 15:30  I'm making so many mistakes, because we just got back and it was the coolest retreat of life. No offense to the people we've been on retreats with before, you were amazing.Brad Crowell 15:37  Incredible retreat. Lesley Logan 15:38  But like, if you have ever thought, oh, my god, they must get bored of this. We don't. We had the best fucking time. It was like we I just loved it. So I can't wait to take you,Brad Crowell 15:48  Yeah, and I think, I think this year is going to be sorry, next year, So 2026, is going to be even better. And I know we've had a lot of interest already, but one of the things we're going to do differently, in January, we're going to have a call for everyone who's curious about this, the retreat, all the questions. We're going to have a couple of our past retreaters join us live, and we're going to have them just answer those questions. You can ask them directly. They can share with you their experience, you know, the process of getting there, like, did they feel safe? What kind of food was it? What kind of activities did they enjoy? All the things that you might be curious about. And I'm telling you, it is gonna next year, is gonna sell quickly. So, get yourself on the waitlist. Go to crowsnestretreats.com and we can't wait to see it all there.Lesley Logan 16:34  Every group is got its own, different vibe. This group, we were like, rapping in the in the bus on the way to like, no one took a nap. Usually people are napping. We were like, half a native. So anyways, crowsnestretreats.com, crowsnestretreats.com/waitlist get you on the waitlist. Okay, in February, that is when our Agency Mini is happening. That is our three day event. I don't know if we're doing a second one next year. We're going to try, but you know, we'll see. So you're going back to Agency Mini, you want to get on the waitlist for that if you want to make sure you don't miss the early bird discount, prfit.biz/mini holy fucking molly, there's a lot of events coming up. So Poland and Brussels, that is in March, you guys. And I mean, a lot of questions about, are you doing anything in Europe? Anything? This is it. We're going, we're like, literally not getting on a plane until March, and I don't have plans to get on a plane after March until Cambodia. So if you want to see me, you need to check out the Poland Controlology Pilates conference. xxll.co/poland and or Brussels, xxll.co/brussels, two events, different workshops to both events, you can you're welcome to come to both. Karen Frischmann is actually collabing on that with me and the host studios, so you get two amazing teachers for the price of a weekend. And it's pretty kind of it's pretty awesome. So different workshops, plus there's a day of privates and semi private classes. So you can also jump in and enjoy some workouts with us. You don't want to miss it, because I don't know when we're coming back. Okay? And then we're gonna leave that. Brad and I are gonna do a vacation. Brad Crowell 18:08  What? Weird. Lesley Logan 18:09  About nine, 10 days vacation in Europe, and then April after our vacation, we wrap up in April at P.O.T. London, and now it's official. Now if you've been hearing me say, I'm not allowed to tell you, I don't know if we're allowed to tell you, we can tell you I signed a contract. I don't I don't I don't know if there's a link out yet, but I'm sure there is. So just look at like, P.O.T. London from Balanced Body, and you'll find it. All right, oh my gosh, okay, should we let's get to this audience question, and we got to get to this amazing recap episode.Brad Crowell 18:34  All right, so the audience question this week was from @audreyphipps1726, on YouTube. She, this is for the Pilates equipment for beginners video. She said, hey, what size is that Try Me Stability Ball. I would love to find one. Lesley Logan 18:50  Yeah, so the triad ball that's.Brad Crowell 18:53  I was wondering. Lesley Logan 18:54  Audrey, it took me a second. I was like, try me. I'd have to Google this, because sometimes people go, hey, what do you think of this item? And I'm like, I don't know what you're talking about, but I realize it's my accent. It's the triad ball, and I don't actually know the dimensions. It's a purple ball that you don't want to fill all the way up. It's smaller than a I guess it'd be like, volleyball size when it's filled up, but you want it to be a little squishy. And where did I get it. I think I went on Balanced Body. Let's see.Brad Crowell 19:24  The OPTP triad ball nine and a half inches. Lesley Logan 19:27  Is it purple? Brad Crowell 19:28  Um, yeah, it's purple. Lesley Logan 19:30  Yeah, the OPTP. Brad Crowell 19:32  Yeah. OPTP triad ball nine and a half inches. Lesley Logan 19:35  You can get it at like, Target. Brad Crowell 19:37  Yeah, even at Walmart. Lesley Logan 19:38  I'm not shopping at Target these days, but you can get on OPTP's website, they have a bunch. They have a huge website, lots of amazing stuff on TP actually, you'll kind of like, it's good products, good stuff. So if you have a question, you can text us at +13109055534, or submit it to beitpod.com/questions. You can also leave a win. And I love getting your wins, because I love helping people see like there's a celebration in everything. You know there's a reason to celebrate the whole every if you just watch the news and open up your phone, it fucking sucks. So you got to have a place where you know it's going to be some good news, and you might hear your win on a day you need to remind yourself that you had a fucking win.Brad Crowell 20:17  Yeah, that's true. Yeah, you are 100% right. Well, stick around. We'll be right back. Brad Crowell 20:23  Okay, welcome back. Let's talk about Dr. Jen Fraboni. Dr. Jen Fraboni, also known as Doc Jen Fit, is a physical therapist passionate about helping people move more with less pain and more confidence. She is the founder of Jen.Health, a platform and app designed to make strength, mobility and recovery accessible for everyone. Alongside her husband, she cohosts The Optimal Body Podcast. Her work has also been featured nationally, including on Good Morning America and NBC, where she shared simple strategies to ease back pain during the pandemic. So we well, it was just a great conversation, by the way, nobody knows this, but I get to watch the the full interview call, right? And. Lesley Logan 21:06  You watch it? Brad Crowell 21:07  Yeah, watch every single one of them. That's how I do prep. Oh, I thought you just listened, nope, 100% of the time watching the interview. So the beginning of it was really fun because you were saying that, basically you were like, oh my gosh, this is how my day is gonna go today. I'm so excited to start today with this interview.Lesley Logan 21:26  Well, because, because it was a Zoom call with Jen Fraboni. And I was like, it's Jen Fraboni. And then it was then she showed up, like, Oh my God. Like, I was like, I mean, I guess I could have looked up.Brad Crowell 21:39  Doc Jen Fit. Lesley Logan 21:40  I mean, I knew I was interviewing her at some point, but I just my brain didn't like keep her, keep her last name associated with her Instagram handle, but yeah, how fun is that? I don't know, maybe the team left in the outtakes. Yeah, it was so good. Brad Crowell 21:53  Yeah. So you know what, what the two of you were digging into. I thought it was just really great talking about paying because I I related a lot to that, especially this past year, I've actually had a lot of pain with my my foot. So anyway, you know. Lesley Logan 22:08  But well, that goes into, like, something like, what I liked that she addressed about pain was that, like, most of the time it's just an alarm. Especially if you didn't get an accident, like, and sometimes your pain is like, you're just sitting there, and all of a sudden something hurts in your body, and you're like, ah, this hurts. And I'm like, just sitting there, like, what are you talking about? So in that case, if it wasn't, like, you know, you fell down the stairs, you tripped across the street, you were in a car accident, if you have pain, it is your body going, Hey, hi. You're not taking good care of me, right? It's like, just trying to get your attention. And I just like, if we think of that as what it is, as opposed to, I have to stop doing everything that was associated with that, because this is what happens, right? People come to Pilates once a week. The goal is three to four times. Week four is better. That's the goal, right? But I have someone who'll come once a week, and they go, they'll see me the next week. Oh, last last week. My back hurt, so we need to be conscious of that. And it's like so there are six other days, plus the 23 hours of the day. I didn't see you. What did you do? How are you taking care of yourself? I'm not saying the Pilates doesn't didn't hurt you. What I am saying is more likely than not, it wasn't the Pilates, but the Pilates is the unique thing about your day, right? So it's, it's similar to, I have some stomach digestive issues, and I would go, Oh, I think I got gluten, or I must have had some dairy. When I found out that I'm also allergic to oats. And every fucking day I was having oat milk, right?. And I wasn't associating, like, any of the other boring food I was having all of the time, I was coming up with, like, this unique thing that could have happened, so I really like that.Brad Crowell 23:53  We were just with our friend, and the next day he was like, I think I got glutened yesterday. It must have been that meal that we ate, you know? And I said, you know, I'm I'm also not feeling 100% and then I thought about the restaurant, which is we've eaten at 100 times. And I was like, what did we do differently? And he had the spiciest Margarita I think I've ever tasted, and I was loading on the hot sauce. I was like, You know what, man, I wonder. I mean, look, it's possible that you got glutened but they were, they specifically came out and told us that they made this gluten free. So I'd be surprised. Maybe there was some leftover, something (inadible) but also, like, the two of us ate something that was pretty off the path. I like to eat spicy stuff, but, like, we ate a lot of it.Lesley Logan 24:39  His his his Margarita was almost undrinkable. Lesley Logan 24:42  It was crazy. You diluted it twice.Lesley Logan 24:44  And you know, I like a spicy mar I was like, I I think that was gonna provide a colonic, to be completely honest, anyways. But I just think, like, she gave some really great stuff, like she talked about her own personal experience, like she's got some back pain, and she's like, Oh, I've been sleeping less, I'm breastfeeding, I'm sitting more, and I'm not moving my body. So what can I do to be more conscious about the things that I need to give myself?Brad Crowell 25:06  Yeah, I think, I think, with the, with the the idea that people coming into class and saying, Oh, well, last week, I was in pain afterwards, you know, the what she mentioned, which I thought was really obvious but needed to be heard. She said, you know, if you're in the gym lifting and you like, tweak your back, obviously you're going to say, well, I shouldn't do that again. No, no problem, of course. But that was probably not that was the moment that things were stressed to the point of ouch. But that wasn't the only moment. There are definitely other things leading up to that exact moment of when, when your body is, like, we're done trying to hold it together here, now you're in pain. And she said, so, so there's other movements that you're probably doing in your life that are, it's cumulative, right? It's, it's, it's adding up over time, and then bam, maybe the moment that it happened was in a class when you're probably doing something particular that you wouldn't be normally doing, like doing a headstand, or whatever it might be, you know, being on one leg, you know, the, the, but, that's probably not where it started. Lesley Logan 26:16  I think we could all agree in this moment where we're not in pain, right? I hurt my knee doing a deadlift. When I hired my trainer, I said, Yeah, I've been dead lifting a lot lighter because it doesn't bother my knee. But the actual thing that's bothering my knee is the fact that I had weak inner thighs and hamstrings compared to my quads, and then the way my gait is on that leg, that's why my knee hurt. It just so happened that I felt the pain doing the deadlift. The deadlift is actually not the problem my form and my deadlift is not the problem. It is an in-balance and muscles on that leg. And so what can we be doing to make sure that we're taking, like, consistent care of ourselves, and then when we hear, when we feel pain, really doing some sort of creating, some sort of like, okay, hold on, what's my sleep like, what's my intake like, what's my fuel like, have I been consistent? So if you are someone who, like, doesn't work out for a week, and then goes and works out hard, like, I got to get in it, just so, you know, you're going to be in some pain afterwards because you didn't have consistency going into it. So, you know, just do some reflection before you go, oh, that's a problem.Brad Crowell 27:20  Speak about reflection, which, which is, this is pretty funny for, for if you have people coming in and saying, well, last time I did this, I hurt. Lesley Logan 27:29  Or if you are that person. Brad Crowell 27:30  Yeah or if you are that person, do you wake up and hurt like, should this? Does that mean you shouldn't sleep like? You know what I mean, the logic doesn't apply here. I just heard like. Lesley Logan 27:43  So this has nothing to do with that, but it's just my brain thing. Okay?. So this person goes, like, this, like, thing I saw. This person goes, I need to go on a vacation. And this other person goes, did you just come back from a vacation? And then it's like, you should just say, Did you have lunch yesterday? And they're like, yeah, that does that mean you need lunch today? Right? Like, yeah, like, you're if you're.Brad Crowell 28:06  Like, obviously, you're not gonna say, Well, I guess I shouldn't sleep because, because maybe you just slept on your shoulder, weird, or whatever. And also, too, it doesn't (inaudible) it also doesn't mean that your shoulder is broken or jacked up. It means you stressed it improperly for an extended period of time. Maybe you were sleeping on it weird, right? And how, like, you know, you know how that is, you know how that that feeling is. It could be your ankle or something where it takes a couple of hours for it to work itself out. And what's happening there, which I which I thought was interesting. She talks about how pain. It's a signal from the brain saying something is not 100% correct here. Something is not 100% correct here. Just a reminder. A reminder, a reminder.Lesley Logan 28:50  It's like, when you hit the button and the community goes, er, and you're like, let me hit that again, it goes, er, and you're like, I don't know why I'm expecting something different. Brad Crowell 28:58  Yeah, well, and here's how this, here's how this relates to what I loved. She said. She said, the more we don't use it, we lose it, right? You use it or lose it. You've heard that phrase a million times. But she said the thing that was that frustrates her the most is when she her clients come to her and say, the doctor told me I'm not allowed to do this anymore, right? The thing, whatever the thing is, and this is what related to me because, you know, a couple months, Well, geez, in February of this year, it's now, you know, November, I started to feel pain in my foot, in the top of my foot, it was like this pulling pain. It felt like fascia or nerves. I couldn't decide. I still can't decide. And for a long, long time, I just stopped things. I just stopped doing, you know, like, the pointing of my toe, stopped it. All the stuff that you do in yoga class, stopped it. I was like, I need some time off. Well, I gave up the time off, and it didn't fix it, right? So, then what? Then what it was the next thing we do? Started going to the chiropractor. Chiropractor couldn't figure out what's going on, right there. She's like, Hey, you're you're aligned. What are you talking about, right? So, you know, then I was like, must be these other things. So I'm starting to massage myself. I'm doing all this stuff. And then a couple, like, two months ago, I just decided, You know what, I'm just gonna get warm and I'm gonna keep using my foot. I'm just gonna keep using it. Because, you know, one of the things that she said is especially being pregnant a second time, she leaned into, you know, doing her workouts, when her body was was starting to, like, freak out, but her body was going through a major change, and she said, you know, maybe she modified the exercise, but she always felt better after doing her workout, despite being told, you know, you know, her body, you know, sending a signal. And I think, I think that we have to be careful with this. You know, same for me, I have to actually be careful with this. It's not no pain, no gain, yeah, it's not real. I don't agree with that. It's also, you know, there are, there are moments where your body is is trying to warn you on something, but you need to be able to decide for what that is and and understand, right? Is it like pain to the point of like damage, or are we talking that, that signal of warning, you know, that's like, Oh, you have to be cautious, right? Lesley Logan 31:12  Yeah. Well, it makes it so this morning, I was doing my first Pilates practice on the Reformer in three weeks. And I did not I was like, man, I got my Spine Corrector, and I was like, this not feel awesome. It didn't hurt. It just was like, right? And then I got in the Reformer, and the first overhead kind of was like, but then the second one felt better and the third one felt better. So it's not, it is no no pain, no gain. But is you, if you have a consistent practice of any kind of movement. When you start going, you know, if your body is telling you, this is not a good day or, Oh, hold on, this is opening up. I'm warming up to it. And so when I was doing tendon stretch on the Reformer, normally, I do a single leg tendon stretch. And I did tendon stretch. I did three, and I was like, I in no way feel safe, to lift a leg off. I'm gonna do four more and get off. I got to headstand. I did all the things but the actual headstand, because I have a consistent enough practice in my body, I could tell that I'm going to feel better when it's over, but I'm not pushing myself to do something it shouldn't do. And that just comes with time. It just comes with listening to your body. So, you gotta do that.Brad Crowell 32:20  Yeah, I mean, you know, she said something that I also thought was interesting, that we never, that I never thought about before. She said, clearly, the outside of our bodies change, our faces sag, or we get wrinkles, things, lalala, why would we never, why would we expect that there are no internal changes as well, right? And she was talking about, you know, joint degeneration, and, you know, all those kinds of things which are natural and they happen, you know, discs in your back, compression, all that kind of stuff. But the only way to age gracefully, despite your body deteriorating is strength. Is strong muscles, right? And so we still should be we need to be prioritizing that in our lives now so that we can be moving with ease as we age.Lesley Logan 33:11  Yeah, no, it's so and that's just it, you guys, you will never stop having to sleep enough drink, enough water and strengthen your muscles like that you're, so sorry, guaranteed in life until we no longer get to live on this beautiful planet. So, there you go.Brad Crowell 33:28  Yeah, yeah. All right. Well, stick around. We'll be right back. We're gonna dig into those Be It Action Items that we got from Dr. Jen Fit. Brad Crowell 33:35  All right, welcome back. Let's dig into these Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items. Can we take away from your conversation with Dr. Jen Fraboni? She explicitly advised against relying on passive stretching as a primary solution for pain, even though it can feel good and relaxing, she said it's better to create stability, that is the fundamental requirement for the body to feel safe. So you were talking about the off balance muscles that you had, which is why your lifting was feeling pain, because you were unstable. Your one muscles, your one set of muscles, were stronger than the other set of muscles. She said, when you create stability, it creates a sense of safety. And she recommends focusing on active stretching, isometric holds and strengthening exercises. She highlighted Pilates as a modality that is great at creating stability and teaching the body safety, especially in the initial phases of pain recovery. So yay for Pilates. That's fantastic. What about you? Go ahead, go ahead.Lesley Logan 34:37  I was gonna say, like today, we were in yoga, and my left hamstring just would not open up. And the reality is my left hip just feeling unstable. That's why we're headed to the chiropractor after this. And it's like, I cannot open up this hamstring when my pelvis is out. And so I just really like, that was such a that's such a takeaway for me. I love that Be It Action Item. So be mindful of the passive stretching, my loves. Just be mindful. I love, this is great, t only way that we start to know how to move forward is if we tune in first. So it's really, this is this kind of goes back to, like a Brad BizJack's episode, actually, and that and that, maybe he didn't say it in this episode, but he has said it in something that I've heard of him before, which is, but go listen to that episode anyways, he's like, you would never, you would never just like, go get in the car and drive somewhere without having, like, a destination in mind. Unlike most people, don't check in with how they feel before they like move their body. They just start moving their body like they're not tuning in. So before you set a goal, before you do things, you have to kind of go inward first, so that you know where you're putting your compass, where you're putting your directions, where you're moving forward to. So otherwise you're like, oh, maybe I should do if you don't tune in first, you're gonna be the person who's like, oh, the hot new thing is Jiu Jitsu, and I'm doing Jiu Jitsu, and then that new hot thing is this box thing on a trampoline, like you're not going to actually be able to look at a movement modality and go, oh, that's what my body needs. You'll just be like, going hopping from one thing to the next expecting a quick fix. So I did love that one. And then she really, she advised onto every day to take five deep, long, slow breaths, mouth closed, and focus on taking breath into the sides of your rib cage. OPC members know this. Brad Crowell 36:24  Diaphragmatic breathing. Lesley Logan 36:26  And avoid breathing into your shoulders, neck or chest. Otherwise you're gonna feel stressed. But if you take these deep breaths, you often will see that the pain starts to diminish. I'm Lesley Logan. Brad Crowell 36:35  And I'm Brad Crowell. Lesley Logan 36:36  I really hope this was helpful, especially if pain is part of your daily life, it is really hard to be it till you see it in that kind of state. And so hopefully this gave you some tips, gave you some ideas, gave you some permission and share it with a friend who needs to hear it, especially one who's like this topic is like, what they're needing right now. It's, I don't know, there's just so much permission in this episode. Until next time, Be It Till You see it. Brad Crowell 36:55  Bye for now. Lesley Logan 36:57  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. 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If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 37:39  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 37:44  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 37:49  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 37:56  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 37:59  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.Lesley Logan 38:11  I don't know if we're doing a second one next year. We're gonna try, but you know, we'll see. Brad Crowell 38:16  You are just making up the URLs here. Lesley Logan 38:19  I'm not. Lesley Logan 38:19  Yeah, crowsnestretreats.com. Just go to crowsnestretreats.com. Lesley Logan 38:23  You gave me the waitlist one. Brad Crowell 38:25  No. Lesley Logan 38:25  Yeah, not on this sheet, but in life.Brad Crowell 38:28  Okay, because of 404. So I'll have the team fix that right now. Lesley Logan 38:31  Fix that, please, because I gave it to somebody else last week on Instagram, because you gave that to me. Okay.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

time to to do some demolition! Welcome to Sunday Service  Wish you were here!  Newsong, Colorado Springs (starts at 10:00am)  Subscribe to text updates. Text the words text alert to 94000  Subscribe to emails (bottom of page on newsongcs.com)  Listen to podcasts. Keywords newsong foursquare  Watch services on Youtube. Keyword newsongcs  Follow us on Facebook, Instagram & TikTok keyword newsongcs  3 ways to give to Missions, Disaster Relief, Tithes, or Offerings  1.. newsongcs/com/give  2. Text Giving - text the word EASY to 94000 3. Mail - P.O. Box 75818 • C.S., CO 80970

This episode includes extended Q&A sessions that address your unanswered questions from the following presentations delivered at the 2025 Fall Congress in Colorado Springs, Colorado:  (00:22) A Discussion of Substance: Supporting Meaningful Improvements in the Lives of Patients Struggling With Substance Use Disorders by Brittany Albright, MD and Hara Oyedeji, DNP, PMHNP-BC (Q&A with Dr. Albright)  (34:08) Nightmares and Brainscapes: Emerging Therapeutic Avenues in the Treatment of PTSD by Lori Davis, MD and Andrew Cutler, MD (Q&A with Dr. Davis)  (47:43) Sex, Pudge, and Eyes That Close: Strategies to Address Common Psychotropic–Induced Tolerability Issues by Leslie Citrome, MD and Andrew Cutler, MD (Q&A with Dr. Citrome)   (55:00) When Less Is More: Strategies for Deprescribing Psychotropic Medications by Jeffrey Strawn, MD and Kari Franson, PharmD, PhD, BCPP (Q&A with Dr. Strawn)  Never miss an episode!

Send us a textAdvent begins in a dark season, especially in the Western Hemisphere, and that's no accident. In this conversation with Pastor Jason Jackson, we explore why Advent matters, especially in seasons marked by grief, disappointment, or exhaustion. We talk about the church calendar, the subversive invitation to slow down, and how this sacred season holds space for both lament and hope. Whether you're new to Advent or longing to find God in the tension, this episode offers gentle wisdom, theological depth, and a deeply pastoral word for your soul.Learn more about Communion of the Saints Church in Colorado Springs: https://www.cosdowntown.org/https://www.simplywholehearted.com/wholeheartedcoachingcollectiveGet Your Enneagram Gift Guide and Advent Podcast Playlisthttps://www.simplywholehearted.com/enneagram-gift-guideRESOURCES FOR YOU: Book a High-Value Clarity Call with Amy Wicks https://www.simplywholehearted.com/callamywicks Not sure about your Enneagram Type? Start here: https://www.simplywholehearted.com/enneagramquiz Wholehearted Enneagram Coachinghttps://bit.ly/SWcoachingcollectiveEnnea-what? The Beginners Guide to the Enneagram(free course + printables)https://bit.ly/Enneagram101GuideThe Real History of the Enneagram Course(use code AMY for 40% OFF)https://bit.ly/EnneagramHistoryShould Christians Use the Enneagram? (Amy's book)https://amzn.to/3VB9PrxConnect with Amy:IGWebsite

There's always plenty of things to do around the Pikes Peak Region during the holidays. Whether you're looking for fun events, gift inspiration or ways to catch the holiday spirit, we've got you covered. Listen in as Content Coordinator Kate Hertz and Director of Communications Alexea Veneracion chat about some of their favorite annual events, places to find the best gifts, and even tips for navigating Downtown parking.  If you're looking for more gifting inspiration for your loved ones (or yourself!) check out our Pikes Peak Region Holiday Gift Guide here.

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Ever felt the urge to make a difference but didn't know where to begin? Meet Heidi Bartle, mother of five, and the inspiring force behind the Colorado Springs-based charity, Be the Good. What began as a mission to support foster kids has blossomed into a broader outreach, touching the lives of families in need. We delve into the impact on her family, as engaging in charitable activities has instilled a sense of humility and gratitude in her children. You'll find practical insights on how families can contribute, from wrapping gifts to engaging in community service, all while fostering meaningful conversations about giving and gratitude. Be The Good in the World Website: Let's Get Involved! Get Making a Magical Christmas Open& Go Experience for $27 through Black Friday HERE: CODE BLACKFRIDAY SCHOOL TO HOMESCHOOL RESOURCES:  FREE MONTHLY WORKSHOP: CLICK HERE Sign Up for the School to Homeschool Newsletter Private Mentoring with Janae: Schedule a Free Discovery Call School to Homeschool YouTube Channel Etsy Store: Shop for Homeschooling Swag *Please note that some of the links included in this article are Amazon affiliate links. CONNECT with US Join the Private Facebook Group  NEW Instagram Learn more about School to Homeschool Contact Janae: schooltohomeschool1@gmail.com

Rana Dershowitz went straight to Harvard Law School after graduating in 1992, partly due to the economy and her love for learning. She describes her experience at Harvard Law School, including her role as a law school "old timer" in Cambridge. After law school, Rana moved back to New York and started working on Wall Street, initially hating the big law environment but appreciating the people she worked with. Entertainment Law at Madison Square Garden and onto Sports Law Rana discusses her career counselor's advice to explore sports law, which she had overlooked despite her involvement in sports and technical theater at Harvard. She took a six-month leave of absence and was offered a job in sports law the day she started her leave. Rana worked in entertainment law at Madison Square Garden (MSG) from 2001 to 2007, handling legal work for the Knicks, Rangers, and the WNBA's New York Liberty. She met her future husband during this time and moved to Colorado  in 2007, where she continued her legal career. Joining the US Olympic Committee and Life in Colorado  Rana joined the US Olympic Committee (USOC) as Deputy General Counsel in 2007, becoming interim General Counsel and then General Counsel and Head of Government Affairs. She describes the challenges of commuting between Colorado Springs and Denver, with her husband working in Bould, while managing her job and family life. Rana and her husband moved to Basalt, Colorado, in 2011, where she continued her legal work,  joined the Aspen skiing company, and became involved in the Aspen community. She transitioned to a part-time role at Aspen Skiing Company while working as Phil Weiser's policy director for his gubernatorial campaign. Challenges and Opportunities at the US Olympic Committee  Rana explains the unique structure of the USOC, which is federally chartered and subject to congressional oversight, unlike most Olympic committees. She discusses the complexities of funding and intellectual property rights, including the USOC's unique trademark rights. Rana highlights her work on safe sport initiatives and the challenges of managing independent national governing bodies for various sports. She reflects on the legal and operational complexities of hosting Olympic Games in the United States and the international dynamics involved. Working at Madison Square Garden and New York Liberty Rana shares a story that reflects her personal connection to Madison Square Garden. She describes the structure of MSG, which owns the building, the Knicks, the Rangers, and the Liberty, and her role in handling sponsorships and league rules. Rana recounts her involvement in the New York Liberty's WNBA finals run in 1999, feeling proud to be part of the team's success. She also discusses her role in managing entertainment acts during team sports events at MSG and shares a few of her proudest moments. Policy Work and Campaign for Phil Weiser  Rana explains her role as Phil Weiser's policy director, focusing on active listening and building a grassroots campaign across Colorado. She outlines key issues the campaign is addressing, including affordability, climate change, water resources, and public lands. Rana emphasizes the importance of bridging urban-rural divides and finding innovative solutions that benefit the entire state. She highlights the campaign's efforts to address youth mental health and promote outdoor activities for children. Rana's Broader Role at Aspen Skiing Company  Rana discusses her expanded role at Aspen Skiing Company, overseeing sustainability, community engagement, planning and development, and PR. She describes her transition to leading mountain operations and her current role that spans looking into employee housing and childcare. Rana reflects on the importance of understanding systems and structures beyond legal work, drawing on her experiences at Aspen.  Harvard Reflections Rana shares her initial reluctance to follow in her family's legal footsteps but eventually being drawn to law by her interest in the "Justice" class. She credits the course for shifting her perspective and leading her to law school. She also mentions auditing the "Thinking about Thinking" class taught by Stephen Jay Gould, Robert Nozick, and Alan Dershowitz, and reflects on the importance of considering different perspectives in policy work and legal decision-making. Timestamps: 02:26: Transition to Sports Law and Madison Square Garden  05:23: Joining the US Olympic Committee and Family Life in Colorado  13:15: Challenges and Opportunities at the US Olympic Committee  20:38: Experiences at Madison Square Garden and New York Liberty  31:34: Policy Work and Campaign for Phil Weiser  40:33: Rana's Broader Role at Aspen Skiing Company  44:24: Reflections on Harvard  Links: LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/rana-dershowitz/ Phil Weiser for Colorado: https://philforcolorado.com/ Aspen One: https://aspen.com/  USOPC: https://www.usopc.org/ Madison Square Gardens: https://www.msg.com/madison-square-garden   Featured Non-profit: The featured non-profit of this week's episode is brought to you by Peter Kang who reports: "Hi. This is Peter Kang from the class of 1992. The featured nonprofit of this episode is the Greg Marzolf Jr. Muscular Dystrophy Center at the University of Minnesota. We provide cutting edge research and clinical care for children and adults with muscular dystrophy and other neuromuscular disorders. I have been the director of this center since 21 and it has been a privilege to see all the good work that we do to find out more. Please go to M, E, d.umn.edu/md center, or email me at p, k, a, n, g@umn.edu, thanks very much. And enjoy today's podcast."  To learn more about their work, visit: https://med.umn.edu/mdcenter   *AI generated show notes and transcript.  

With SNAP benefits in doubt, Colorado Springs relief agencies have re-doubled their efforts to feed needy neighbors. Jeff Anderson and guest host Travis Williams of Springs Rescue Mission talk about the great community generosity with John Serio of Mercy’s Gate, Renee Bebee of Crossfire Ministries, Andy Barton of Catholic Charities, and Haley Chapin of Tri-Lakes Cares.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In this episode of the OnStage Colorado Podcast, hosts Toni Tresca and Alex Miller jump into what they've seen lately on stage, run through some arts news from around the state and discuss the week's Top 10 Colorado Headliners. This week's list: Job, Curious Theatre, Denver, through Dec. 7Jerry's Girls, Veritas Productions/Mizel Center Denver, Nov. 13-23Daisy Violet the Bitch Beast King, Feather Fall/Dairy Arts Center in Boulder, Nov. 13-30Drag Queen Magic, Local Theater Company/e-Town in Boulder, Nov. 18Million Dollar Quartet Christmas, Candlelight, Johnstown, Nov. 20-Jan. 11Murder on the Orient Express, Viva Theater, Boulder Dairy Arts Center through Nov. 23The Elixir of Love, Boulder Opera at Dairy Arts Center, Nov. 15-16Angry, Raucous and Shamelessly Gorgeous, Vintage Theatre, Aurora, through Nov. 23Sherlock Holmes & the Greek Chorus, Theater Company of Lafayette, through Nov. 23A Doll's House, Millibo Art Theatre, Colorado Springs, Nov. 13-23

In one of four podcasts with participatiing non-profits in the "Great Outdoors" category of the 2025 Give Pikes Peak campaign, Bob chats with Teri Peisner of the Friends of Monument Valley Park (FMVP). They discuss the history of Monument Valley Park, which runs along Monument Creek on the west side of downtown Colorado Springs, and the organizations work to raise funds to restore much of its old original stone work. They talk about the recently completed reconstruciton of Duck Lake, the previously finished Shadow Lake and their upcoming projects. They also discuss how your donation during the Give Campaign will help advance their mission. Give Campaign website: https://campaign.givepikespeak.org/ FMVP website: https://www.fmvp.net/ Please consider becoming a patron of this podcast! Visit: https://www.patreon.com/hikingbob for more information Hiking Bob website: https://www.HikingBob.com Wild Westendorf website: https://wildwestendorf.com/ Where to listen, download and subscribe to this podcast: https://pod.link/outdoors

Send us a textYou're marketing your face off… but where are the sales?In this episode, Sales Growth Strategist Tam Smith joins me for a much-needed conversation about the missing piece in so many entrepreneurs' businesses: actual sales strategy.Tam breaks down why visibility alone doesn't lead to revenue and how so many entrepreneurs confuse consistent content with selling - when in reality, they're just warming people up with no next step.We talk about how to shift your mindset from “I hate selling” to “sales is service,” and how to make simple, intentional moves that create momentum without sleazy pitches or high-pressure tactics.In this episode, we cover:Why your marketing efforts might not be converting and how to fix it using Tam's 3-2-2 method for simple, non-sleazy daily sales activityThe difference between building awareness and actually inviting people to work with youThe 90-day rule for sales results (and why you're probably giving up too soon)If you've ever said, “I'm doing all the things but no one is buying,” this episode is your roadmap to doing fewer things better - with more intention and more sales.Links & References:Want more ways to market yourself and practice having sales convos?  Join us at the next PWR Virtual Speed Networking Event!For faster business growth through networking, strategy and accountability, check out the  Powerful Women Rising Business Growth Community!Download Tam's free VIP Power Hour guide to learn how to build a daily sales habit that creates consistent, high-quality leads without the overwhelm.Learn more about Tam:  https://studiothree49.comListen to the Sales as Service podcastConnect with Tam on LinkedIn or InstagramMentioned in this Episode:  Go-Givers Sell More by Bob Burg and John David MannSupport the showConnect with Your Host!Melissa Snow is a Business Relationship Strategist dedicated to empowering women in entrepreneurship. She founded the Powerful Women Rising Community, which provides female business owners with essential support and resources for business growth. Melissa's other mission is to revolutionize networking, promoting authenticity and genuine connections over sleazy sales tactics. She runs an incredible monthly Virtual Speed Networking Event which you can attend once at no cost using the code FIRSTTIME She lives in Colorado Springs with two dogs, her soul cat Giorgio and any number of foster kittens. She loves iced coffee, Taylor Swift, and Threads.

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What are the Nephilim, and how do they fit into the story of spiritual warfare? In this message, Lead Pastor Aaron Pennington unpacks the origin of evil, the fall of Satan, and the mysterious beings mentioned in Genesis 6 that continue to shape the unseen spiritual world today.Through Scripture and historical context, Aaron reveals how pride led to rebellion, how demons entered the world, and why the same forces of darkness still seek to steal, kill, and destroy. This message dives deep into the supernatural side of the Bible while reminding us that Jesus has already won the victory.If you've ever wondered about:• Where evil came from• The truth about fallen angels and demons• What the Nephilim really were• How to recognize spiritual warfare in your life• Why Ephesians 6:12 matters more than everThen this episode will give you clarity, hope, and a renewed confidence in the power of the Holy Spirit within you.Listen and learn how to live with spiritual awareness, stand firm in faith, and walk in victory over darkness.Key Scriptures: Genesis 6, Ezekiel 28, Job 1, Psalm 82, Ephesians 6 Series: Unholy SpiritsSpeaker: Aaron Pennington – Lead Pastor, Trace ChurchJoin us Sundays in person:8:15a | 10:00a | 11:45a | 5:00p

The USL Championship has round one of the postseason ongoing...And there's a LOT of chaos...Kaylor Hodges drops by to talk about franchises leaving, off-the-field changes, and round one of the playoffs where top seeds are no longer around...

The Enneagram Journey may be recording next at your local Hilton! Maybe not, but this episode was fun to record at Joel's hotel room when LTM travelled to Charlotte, NC for a workshop. Kim Honeycutt (8) and Larissa Miller (4) join the show to talk about their relationship, their journey, justice, and what do you know about polyvagal theory? You can find out more about what Kim and Larissa are up to at icutalks.org, watershedcharlotte.com and kimhoneycutt.com    PLUG TIME!!!! The Enneagram AND 2026 Tour is around the corner! The Enneagram and Parenting in Nashville, TN - The Enneagram and Spirituality in Jackson, MS - The Enneagram and Trauma in Colorado Springs, CO - The Enneagram and Your Body in Minneapolis, MN - The Enneagram and Stress in California. Join us in person, or join us online virtually! Get all of the important information and registration at lifeinthetrinityministry.com/enneagramand   Today's Intro: The Waterboy (1998, Touchstone Pictures) Bob's Burgers (s15, e1 FOX) Breaking Bad (s4, e6 AMC)

In this new episode, Crawlspace Media's Tim Pilleri and Lance Reenstierna speak with Denise Alves about the disappearance of her baby brother Christopher Abeyta from Colorado Springs, Colorado on July 15th, 1986 from their family home. This is part 2 of 2. If you have any information in the disappearance of Christopher Abeyta, please call the Colorado Springs Police Dept at 1-719-444-7000. Follow the case online: FB: ⁠https://www.facebook.com/findchristopher/⁠. IG: ⁠https://www.instagram.com/findchristopherabeyta⁠. TT: ⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@findchristopher⁠. Official site: ⁠http://www.findchristopher.com/⁠. Main podcast theme by Kevin Macleod. Check out his work at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://incompetech.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Additional music by David Williams. See his work at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://williamsflutes.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Follow Missing: IG: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/MissingCSM/⁠⁠⁠. TT:⁠⁠⁠ https://www.tiktok.com/@missingcsm⁠⁠⁠. FB:⁠⁠⁠ https://www.facebook.com/MissingCSM⁠⁠⁠. X:⁠⁠⁠ https://twitter.com/MissingCSM⁠⁠⁠. Spotify:⁠⁠⁠ https://open.spotify.com/show/0yRXkJrZC85otfT7oXMcri⁠⁠⁠. Youtube:⁠⁠⁠ https://www.youtube.com/missingcsm⁠⁠⁠. Apple:⁠⁠⁠ https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/missing/id1006974447⁠⁠⁠. Follow Crawlspace: IG:⁠⁠⁠ https://www.instagram.com/Crawlspacepodcast⁠⁠⁠. TT:⁠⁠⁠ https://www.tiktok.com/@crawlspacepodcast⁠⁠⁠. FB:⁠⁠⁠ https://www.facebook.com/Crawlspacepodcast⁠⁠⁠. X:⁠⁠⁠ https://twitter.com/crawlspacepod.⁠⁠⁠ Spotify:⁠⁠⁠ https://open.spotify.com/show/7iSnqnCf27NODdz0pJ1GvJ⁠⁠⁠. Youtube:⁠⁠⁠ https://www.youtube.com/crawlspace⁠⁠⁠. Apple:⁠⁠⁠ https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/crawlspace-true-crime-mysteries/id1187326340⁠⁠⁠. Check out our entire network at⁠⁠⁠ http://crawlspace-media.com/⁠⁠⁠. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this new episode, Crawlspace Media's Tim Pilleri and Lance Reenstierna speak with Denise Alves about the disappearance of her baby brother Christopher Abeyta from Colorado Springs, Colorado on July 15th, 1986 from their family home. This is part 1 of 2. Follow the case online: FB: https://www.facebook.com/findchristopher/. IG: https://www.instagram.com/findchristopherabeyta. TT: https://www.tiktok.com/@findchristopher. Official site: http://www.findchristopher.com/. Main podcast theme by Kevin Macleod. Check out his work at ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://incompetech.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠. Additional music by David Williams. See his work at ⁠⁠⁠⁠http://williamsflutes.com⁠⁠⁠⁠. Follow Missing: IG: ⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/MissingCSM/⁠⁠. TT:⁠⁠ https://www.tiktok.com/@missingcsm⁠⁠. FB:⁠⁠ https://www.facebook.com/MissingCSM⁠⁠. X:⁠⁠ https://twitter.com/MissingCSM⁠⁠. Spotify:⁠⁠ https://open.spotify.com/show/0yRXkJrZC85otfT7oXMcri⁠⁠. Youtube:⁠⁠ https://www.youtube.com/missingcsm⁠⁠. Apple:⁠⁠ https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/missing/id1006974447⁠⁠. Follow Crawlspace: IG:⁠⁠ https://www.instagram.com/Crawlspacepodcast⁠⁠. TT:⁠⁠ https://www.tiktok.com/@crawlspacepodcast⁠⁠. FB:⁠⁠ https://www.facebook.com/Crawlspacepodcast⁠⁠. X:⁠⁠ https://twitter.com/crawlspacepod.⁠⁠ Spotify:⁠⁠ https://open.spotify.com/show/7iSnqnCf27NODdz0pJ1GvJ⁠⁠. Youtube:⁠⁠ https://www.youtube.com/crawlspace⁠⁠. Apple:⁠⁠ https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/crawlspace-true-crime-mysteries/id1187326340⁠⁠. Check out our entire network at⁠⁠ http://crawlspace-media.com/⁠⁠. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices