So What Else is Going On

Author and speaker Amber Lia joins us to talk about her brand-new devotional, Untriggered: 60 Days of Transformation for Moms Who Struggle With Anger. Amber gets real about what it looks like to parent with grace, even when your kids are driving you crazy. We dive into the sometimes-controversial term "gentle parenting"—why it's often misunderstood, and why it doesn't mean being a doormat. Amber also shares practical tools for staying calm when you're feeling triggered, how to ditch the comparison trap, and why our kids don't need perfect parents...because there's no such thing. This one is full of encouragement, wisdom, and the kind of honesty we all need more of in the trenches of parenthood. Untriggered  Amber's Website Follow Amber on Insta → @therealamberlia  Follow SWE on Insta → @so.what.else  Follow Kaitlin on Insta → @kaitlingraceelliott  SWE Website

Emily and Matt just had their baby so they're busy trying to figure out how to keep a tiny human alive. That means it's date night pod night for Kaitlin and Scott and they discuss very normal topics like: Is Chat GPT a man or woman? Does brushing a toddler's hair backward make it thicker? Why are ski lifts not regulated? Plus, Scott has a mental breakdown about toothpaste. Enjoy! Get 20% OFF Magic Mind One-Time Purchase or 48% OFF A Subscription https://www.magicmind.com/whatelsepod20 DISCOUNT CODE: WHATELSEPOD20 Follow SWE on Insta → @so.what.else  Follow Kaitlin on Insta → @kaitlingraceelliott  SWE Website

Caroline's back and she's better than ever! Everyone's favorite other sister returns and we cover everything from the orthodontist to voicemails to Kaitlin's childhood anxiety to walking pads at work to kebabs and the gym. It's unhinged and slightly therapeutic...it's Caroline. Get 20% OFF Magic Mind One-Time Purchase or 48% OFF A Subscription https://www.magicmind.com/whatelsepod20 DISCOUNT CODE: WHATELSEPOD20 The foot mask that will change your life!!! Follow SWE on Insta → @so.what.else  Follow Kaitlin on Insta → @kaitlingraceelliott  SWE Website

Kaitlin finds a tick on her moments before we hit record. Unsurprisingly it wasn't the only traumatic insect incident of the week. Scott installs a bougie outdoor warm water faucet. We talk about the new Netflix show Adolescence (it's amazing—go watch it), and we check in on Emily's pregnancy. Anxiously waiting for labor to ensue is its own special kind of torture. Also: Emily and Matt finally get window shades (they're gorgeous but functionally…less than ideal), Emily reveals she doesn't understand attics, Scott has a week from hell, and Kaitlin is using a mildly disgusting product to make her feet soft. Classic SWEpisode. Get 20% OFF Magic Mind One-Time Purchase or 48% OFF A Subscription https://www.magicmind.com/whatelsepod20 DISCOUNT CODE: WHATELSEPOD20 Follow SWE on Insta → @so.what.else  Follow Kaitlin on Insta → @kaitlingraceelliott  SWE Website

Sheila Wray Gregoire is back...for the third time (making SWE history)! A speaker, author, and podcast host, Sheila challenges outdated ideas and offers fresh, research-backed perspectives on what makes a marriage truly thrive. She's here to chat about her new book, The Marriage You Want: Moving Beyond Stereotypes for a Relationship Built on Scripture, New Data, and Emotional Health. We also tackle: Gender stereotypes—why they persist and how to break free Entitlement in marriage—what it looks like and how to shift the mindset The division of household labor—because it should be about sharing the load The mental load—who's really carrying it, and why it matters If you've ever questioned the pervasive myths about what makes a happy marriage, this episode is for you! The Marriage You Want Bare Marriage  Sheila's Podcast Sheila on Episode 110 Sheila on Episode 55 Follow Sheila on IG → @sheilagregoire  Follow SWE on IG → @so.what.else  Follow Kaitlin on IG → @kaitlingraceelliott  SWE Website

Emily is mere moments away from giving birth. Kaitlin gives Emily a breast pump tutorial. Meanwhile, the sinkhole saga is escalating.  We also tackle some very important topics: Why are all Jr.'s men? Kaitlin's 42 potential Easter outfits The Diet Coke debate—people have opinions. Even the tooth fairy is being impacted by inflation. Food conspiracies…what is even good for you anymore? Men are flocking to Suzy's hair. Plus, we dive into some listener questions. Enjoy, friends! Get 20% OFF Magic Mind https://www.magicmind.com/whatelsepod20 DISCOUNT CODE: WHATELSEPOD20 Follow SWE on Insta → @so.what.else  Follow Kaitlin on Insta → @kaitlingraceelliott  SWE Website

Writer, podcaster, and resident Bible scholar, Erin Hicks Moon, joins us for a fun, honest, and thoughtful conversation about faith, doubt, and asking big questions. Erin is the author of the Substack newsletter The Swipe Up, where she tackles God, faith, and American Christianity. She's the Resident Bible Scholar on the Faith Adjacent podcast as well as the Senior Creative at The Popcast Media Group. We're diving into her new book, I've Got Questions: The Spiritual Practice of Having It Out with God, and talking about: Deconstructing faith without losing it entirely Lament as a spiritual practice Jesus doesn't just love us—He likes us The uncomfortable truth that we're all wrong about something when it comes to faith If you grew up in evangelical Christianity and find yourself wrestling with questions, this episode is for you. It's thoughtful, funny, and hopefully, maybe even a little healing. Erin's Book → I've Got Questions Erin's Website  Erin's Podcast → Faith Adjacent   Follow Erin on Insta → @erinhmoon  Follow Kaitlin on Insta → @kaitlingraceelliott  Follow SWE on Insta → @so.what.else  SWE Website

Emily is beyond pregnant. Walkie-talkies are being under-utilized. Baby Carpenter makes an “appearance.” Big Yellowstone discussion, so if you haven't seen it…you've been warned. Does anyone else call butts, “coolies”? Follow up on the facial journey. Matt's toe still hasn't fully healed and still looks like a disaster. Scott finally sees an ENT for his 117-day cough (and takes it like a champ). Penelope (the dog) might just be the loudest snorer in history. Kaitlin has full-blown diarrhea of the mouth. Should we be saying photo poop instead of photo dump? Get 25% OFF Magic Mind Gummies https://www.magicmind.com/whatgm DISCOUNT CODE: WHAT25 Follow SWE on Insta → @so.what.else  Follow Kaitlin on Insta → @kaitlingraceelliott  SWE Website

Justin and Trisha Davis, founders of RefineUs Ministries, are here for a powerful and honest conversation about rebuilding trust, breaking unhealthy cycles, and creating deeper connection in our most valued relationships. As authors, teachers, and coaches, their mission is to help people walk in truth and healing—and their personal story is a testament to that mission. In this episode, Justin and Trisha share their journey of reconciliation after infidelity, the impact of discovering identity-altering truths about their fathers, and Justin's path to healing from childhood trauma. We also dive into the power of forgiveness, and why truth-telling—though difficult—is the key to true transformation. Plus, their brand-new book, One Choice Away from Change: Break the Cycles That Hurt Your Relationships and Hold You Back, releases TOMORROW, March 4th! They give us a preview of the life-changing principles inside. Justin and Trisha's Website Get the Book: One Choice Away From Change Justin and Trisha's Podcast: Let's Get Real Follow Justin and Trisha on Insta  → @refineus @justindavis33 @trishdavis_ Follow SWE on Insta → @so.what.else  Follow Kaitlin on Insta → @kaitlingraceelliott  SWE Website

If you've spent any amount of time listening to SWE, you've heard us talk about Scott and Kaitlin's nephew, Garrett DeClue–player in the Savanna Banana's baseball league and woodsman extraordinaire. Well, Garrett is here, and as they do, things spiral fast! Kaitlin celebrates her birthday with a very painful facial. Emily has a baby shower, and still hasn't changed her last name. We deep dive on skincare and how much self-care is too much self-care. Scott may or may not get his haircut at Walmart. Garrett introduces us to Mr. Pierce, a mysterious man who mows his lawn. And Emily is diabete free! Woo! Get 20% OFF Magic Mind one time purchase & 48% OFF with a subscription https://www.magicmind.com DISCOUNT CODE: WHATELSEPOD20 Follow SWE on Insta → @so.what.else  Follow Kaitlin on Insta → @kaitlingraceelliott  SWE Website  

Dina Deleasa Gonsar is an author, speaker, TV personality, and the creator of DishItGirl. You know her from Good Morning America, Fox News, E! News, Married to Jonas, or her podcast She Lives Fearless—but today, Dina Deleasa Gonsar is pulling up a chair to get real about life beyond the kitchen. We talk about her journey through postpartum depression, her battle with thyroid cancer, and how both experiences shaped her perspective on life and faith. We also dive into her new cookbook, At the Kitchen Sink: Recipes to Fill Your Table, Words to Fill Your Heart. It's so much more than a collection of comforting recipes—it's a journey of inspirational stories and encouragement, celebrating the joy of gathering, cooking, and finding meaning in everyday moments. Pre-Order At the Kitchen Sink now! Dina's Website | DishItGirl She Lives Fearless Podcast Follow Dina on Insta → @dishitgirldina Follow SWE on Insta → @so.what.else  Follow Kaitlin on Insta → @kaitlingraceelliott  SWE Website

It's SWE's birthday, and—shocker—we forgot…again. Emily takes a gestational diabetes test and promptly throws it up all over the parking lot. Matt and Emily are deeply immersed in Yellowstone, and everyone agrees Wicked was a hit.  Kaitlin's life has been completely transformed by sleeping with earplugs. Emily consistently vetoes Scott's décor ideas. Kaitlin values Emily's opinion more than her husband's.  Kaitlin and Scott can't stop chatting up strangers, while Matt and Emily are perfecting the art of avoiding human interaction. And Emily now wants to adopt a dog with no eyes. So yeah, just another totally normal episode. Get 20% OFF Magic Mind one time purchase & 48% OFF with a subscription https://www.magicmind.com DISCOUNT CODE: WHATELSEPOD20 Follow SWE on Insta → @so.what.else  Follow Kaitlin on Insta → @kaitlingraceelliott  SWE Website  

This week, it's an honor to welcome a dear friend, Brook Outland Bryant. Brook works with Safe Families, an organization that seeks to keep kids safe and families together. We dive into her journey of blending a family through marriage, adopting two boys internationally and a son domestically, and, most poignantly, the birth and loss of her daughter Blakely. Born with Hypoplastic Left Heart Syndrome, Blakely spent almost a year in the hospital before she went home to be with the Lord. Brook's story is one of resilience and hope despite heartbreaking loss. Get 45% OFF Magic Mind https://www.magicmind.com/whatelsejan DISCOUNT CODE: WHATELSEJAN SWE Episode about Mississippi  Safe Families Brooke's Facebook Follow Brookey on Insta → @brookeoutland  Follow SWE on Insta → @so.what.else  Follow Kaitlin on Insta → @kaitlingraceelliott  SWE Website

Kaitlin and Scott hold down the SWEpisode fort this week as a stomach bug invades the Elliott household. They chat about grown-up things like microwave covers and saving money, and Kaitlin meets with a spiritual director.  Get 45% OFF Magic Mind https://www.magicmind.com/whatelsejan DISCOUNT CODE: WHATELSEJAN Follow Kaitlin on Insta → @kaitlingraceelliott  Follow SWE on Insta → @so.what.else  So What Else Website

Emily Holthaus is the founder of Raising Little Millionaires, an organization dedicated to helping parents raise financially confident kids. We dive into practical tips like teaching kids about budgeting, navigating the tricky topic of allowances, and answering the age-old question: Should you gift your kid a car? Plus, we're breaking down how to help kids figure out what really matters when it comes to money and how to instill a spirit of generosity from a young age. Raising Little Millionaires Website Raising Little Millionaires E-Book Follow RLM on Insta → @raisinglittlemillionaires  Follow SWE on Insta → @so.what.else  Follow Kaitlin on Insta → @kaitlingraceelliott  SWE Website

This week, the B-team takes over! Imposters, Caroline and Josh, crash this week's SWEpisode in Emily and Matt's absence and bring their own brand of chaos.  Follow Kaitlin on Insta → @kaitlingraceelliott  Follow SWE on Insta → @so.what.else  So What Else Website

New year, same chaos. Welcome to 2025, SWEople! Kaitlin gets a new phone and promptly forgets how phones even work. “Chip it!”—don't worry, that'll make sense later. Meanwhile, Route 80 East literally falls into the earth, trapping us in Western Jersey. And what does one do when stuck in traffic and desperately needs to pee? Post-Christmas, we've officially declared the sibling gift exchange dumb and are finally switching it up. Plus, Kaitlin and Scott fight over Boxbollen. Emily and Matt get heated over window shades, and have the “luckiest” adventure of all time at CarMax. Follow Kaitlin on Insta → @kaitlingraceelliott  Follow SWE on Insta → @so.what.else  So What Else Website

This week, we're thrilled to bring you Part 2 of our conversation with Donna-Jean Breckenridge. If you enjoyed Donna-Jean's story in Part 1, you won't want to miss Part 2, where we dive deep into the world of homeschooling! Donna-Jean shares her passion for education, offering insight into common questions like: Can homeschooled children get enough social interaction? How can parents ensure their kids are learning everything they need? What are the unique benefits of the homeschooling lifestyle? We also explore the timeless philosophy of Charlotte Mason and how it shaped the curriculum Donna-Jean co-created: Ambleside Online, a free resource empowering families to provide a rich and meaningful education at home. Whether you're a seasoned homeschooler, just curious, or somewhere in between, this episode is packed with inspiration and practical advice! Ambleside Online Six Voices, One Story: The Heart of Ambleside Online The Country of Ours Follow Donna-Jean on Insta → @djabreck Follow SWE on Insta → @so.what.else  Follow Kaitlin on Insta → @kaitlingraceelliott  SWE Website

This week, we're bringing you Part 1 of an incredible two-part conversation with Donna-Jean Breckenridge. Her story was so inspiring and rich with insight that we couldn't fit it all into one episode! Donna-Jean is a mom, grandmother, widow, author, speaker, and co-founder of Ambleside Online—a free Charlotte Mason-based homeschool curriculum. In this episode, she opens up about her life, sharing her struggles with infertility, the joy and challenges of adoption, the profound grief of losing her husband, and the heartbreak of losing her son-in-law. Through it all, Donna-Jean's resilience, faith, and wisdom shine as she reflects on finding hope in the midst of loss. Don't forget to come back next week for Part 2, where she shares her passion for homeschooling and how Ambleside Online came to life! Six Voices, One Story: The Heart of Ambleside Online This Country of Ours Follow Donna-Jean on Insta → @djabreck Follow SWE on Insta → @so.what.else  Follow Kaitlin on Insta → @kaitlingraceelliott  SWE Website

Scott manages to order a lifetime supply of Fabletics apparel. Kaitlin orders her own not-so-secret Santa gift from Matt and ships it to the wrong address. But shoutout to Theo from DSW for saving the day. Emily's henna brows are failing. What's up with all the Christmas skeletons on people's lawns? Matt calls Emily passive-aggressive…yikes. Kaitlin thinks no-wheel drive is a thing. Eggnog…what the heck is it? Do SWEpisodes ever cause fights when we stop recording? Get 20% OFF Magic Mind https://www.magicmind.com/sowhatpod20 DISCOUNT CODE: SOWHATPOD20 Follow Kaitlin on Insta → @kaitlingraceelliott  Follow SWE on Insta → @so.what.else  So What Else Website

They're back! The Chicola Sisters come in clutch this week to dish on life's most pressing topics: Emily's brand new eyebrows, favorite childhood Christmas movies, and Caroline's complete lack of skill for baking sourdough bread. But it wouldn't be a Sisters episode without some sibling spice—Caroline spills the tea on childhood trauma caused by Kaitlin. Follow Kaitlin on Insta → @kaitlingraceelliott  Follow SWE on Insta → @so.what.else  So What Else Website

Emily fainted. Scott gets the most ill anyone has ever been. (We're so healthy.) Kaitlin gets a big pay day from selling her clothes. Why do some people put absolutely no effort into their Christmas lights? The Elliott family takes the leap into Christmas cards. Let's bring back church directories!! MAGIC MIND BLACK FRIDAY SALE - GET 50% OFF! https://www.magicmind.com/sowhatpodbf Follow Kaitlin on Insta → @kaitlingraceelliott  Follow SWE on Insta → @so.what.else  So What Else Website

In this episode, I sit down with Brenda Yoder, licensed counselor, speaker, educator, and author of Uncomplicated: Simple Secrets for a Compelling Life. Brenda shares insights from her Mennonite upbringing, offering timeless lessons from Amish and Mennonite values, including resourcefulness, folk knowledge, and cultivating contentment. We also tackle some common parenting and personal challenges; how to decide the right number of activities for your kids, strategies to be less reactive in the moment; and tips for gaining control of your thoughts. This inspiring conversation is filled with practical wisdom for a simpler, more intentional life. Brenda's Website Uncomplicated  Follow Brenda on Insta → @brendayoderspeaks Follow SWE on Insta → @so.what.else  Follow Kaitlin on Insta → @kaitlingraceelliott  SWE Website

Jill Savage is a speaker and author of No More Perfect Marriages. In this episode, we sit down to have a heartfelt and honest conversation about relationships. Jill opens up about her and her husband's journey through infidelity and the hard work of rebuilding trust. We dive deep into the subtle "slow fades" that can erode relationships, how attachment styles impact our connections, and the dysfunction we all carry from childhood into our marriages. Jill shares practical advice for navigating conflict, healing broken trust, and strengthening your relationship. Whether you're married, engaged, or simply interested in relationship dynamics, this episode is packed with wisdom, encouragement, and actionable insights. Jill's Website No More Perfect Marriages No More Perfect Podcast Follow Jill on Insta → @jillsavage.author Follow SWE on insta → @so.what.else  Follow Kaitlin on insta → @kaitlingraceelliott  SWE Website

It's Election Week, so naturally, we don't talk about it. Scotty has fallen ill so sadly SWE is reduced to three (Ts and Ps for Scott). Kaitlin gets a library card. Apparently libraries are still a thing. We check in on the sour bread dough journey and discuss Emily's “pregnancy brain”… Emily has a few gaps. Matt and Emily are going to Disney, so Emily is deep in the trenches of packing for a pregnant vacation.  Get 20% OFF Magic Mind https://www.magicmind.com/sowhatpod20 DISCOUNT CODE: SOWHATPOD20 Follow Kaitlin on Insta → @kaitlingraceelliott  Follow SWE on Insta → @so.what.else  So What Else Website

Lisa Steven is the author of A Place to Belong, a former teen mom and co-founder of Hope House Colorado, a sanctuary for teen mothers that empowers them to strive for personal and economic self-sufficiency and to understand their significance in God's sight. Together, we dive deep into the realities of generational poverty, exploring the differences between middle-class and poverty mindsets. Our guest shares transformative stories of resilience and success from Hope House, offering insight into the challenges and triumphs of young mothers striving for a healthy future for their families. Hope House Lisa's Book: A Place To Belong Our Water Bottle! Follow SWE on Insta → @so.what.else  Follow Kaitlin on Insta → @kaitlingraceelliott  SWE Website

Frozen waffles get canceled because of a listeria outbreak—right after Emily spends a month binging frozen waffles for breakfast. Jayce battles pneumonia and Kaitlin… well, sort of cares. Emily and Matt might just have the worst luck with cars of all time. Emily gets caught being less than truthful. And Kaitlin nearly runs head-first through the bedroom door in the middle of the night. Get 20% OFF Magic Mind https://www.magicmind.com/sowhatpod20 DISCOUNT CODE: SOWHATPOD20 Follow Kaitlin on Insta → @kaitlingraceelliott  Follow SWE on Insta → @so.what.else  So What Else Website

This might just be the most relatable topic of our generation. Meghan Ryan Asbury joins us to chat about her book, You Are Not Behind: Build a Life You Love Without Having Everything You Want. We talk about how to find true satisfaction between where you are and where you want to be; how to avoid manipulating our hopes; how to deal with unmet expectations, and so much more.  You Are Not Behind Meghan's Website Follow Meghan on Insta → @meghanryanasbury  Follow SWE on Insta → @so.what.else  Follow Kaitlin on Insta → @kaitlingraceelliott  SWE Website

A member of the SWE team is pregnant. Hint…it's not Scott. And contrary to popular belief, nor is it Kaitlin. Scott and Matt go golfing and are now obsessed. Kaitlin finally admits she has a shopping problem. Emily's everlasting-simmering-scented-pot draws a lot of attention at a recent family party. Scott is never more offended than when he's given a subpar rental car. Emily and Scott throw down with the HOA.  Get 20% OFF Magic Mind https://www.magicmind.com/sowhatpod20 DISCOUNT CODE: SOWHATPOD20 Follow Kaitlin on Insta → @kaitlingraceelliott  Follow SWE on Insta → @so.what.else  So What Else Website

Clarissa Moll is back and she's here to talk about her new book, Hurt, Help, Hope. She co-wrote it with her daughter and it's all about teenage grief. Today we chat about; the difference between intuitive and instrumental grievers, spiritual guidance for dealing with grief, what to do if you have regrets about the person you lost, the hidden gifts of grief, and so much more. Clarissa's book is available starting TOMORROW (October 8th).  Hurt Help Hope: A Real Conversation about Teen Grief and Life After Loss  Clarissa's Website Beyond the Darkness Clarissa's Podcast - Surprised by Grief  Follow Clarissa on Insta → @mollclarissa  Follow SWE on insta → @so.what.else  Follow Kaitlin on insta → @kaitlingraceelliott  SWE Website

Kaitlin's sour bread dough journey is going VERY well! Scott is committed to making his smart phone as dumb as possible. Kaitlin discovers Scott's secret stash of Magic Mind. Julia Roberts. Emily and Kaitlin are supporting their families financially with online shopping returns. Kaitlin's car eats her credit card. Get 20% OFF Magic Mind https://www.magicmind.com/sowhatpod20 DISCOUNT CODE: SOWHATPOD20 Follow Kaitlin on Insta → @kaitlingraceelliott  Follow SWE on Insta → @so.what.else  So What Else Website

Emily and Kaitlin get into a bidding war over a Cape May sweatshirt and things turn physical. Scott turns into the hulk when he drinks coffee. Kaitlin's lettuce edge socks are Scott's new favorite women's sock. Barrel jeans are an interesting choice society is making. And everything you'll ever need to know about sour bread dough.  Get 20% OFF Magic Mind https://www.magicmind.com/sowhatpod20 DISCOUNT CODE: SOWHATPOD20 Follow Kaitlin on Insta → @kaitlingraceelliott  Follow SWE on Insta → @so.what.else  So What Else Website

Wait...Walmart fashion is having a moment...I'm OBSESSED. Does anyone understand how thrifting actually works? Scott reveals his secret thrifting past. Parker goes flying. Matt's (never used) razor subscription saves the day when Emily discovers the superiority of men's razors. Emily and Kaitlin go on a walk from hell. #VoteForScott Get 20% OFF Magic Mind https://www.magicmind.com/sowhatpod20 DISCOUNT CODE: SOWHATPOD20 Follow Kaitlin on Insta → @kaitlingraceelliott  Follow SWE on Insta → @so.what.else  So What Else Website

Emily chose a career she's allergic to. Scott doesn't know when summer ends. Matt annoys the heck out of everyone on the internet with his incessant posting on Facebook Marketplace. Kaitlin has read so many books that she's starting to unknowingly reread books. Local “newspaper” shouts out local hero, Kaitlin Elliott, for “saving” a man's life. Get 20% OFF Magic Mind https://www.magicmind.com/sowhatpod20 DISCOUNT CODE: SOWHATPOD20 Follow Kaitlin on Insta → @kaitlingraceelliott  Follow SWE on Insta → @so.what.else  So What Else Website

Kaitlin and Scott have a cute little date night (meaning…they sat down to record this podcast together). They discuss RIVETING topics like Kaitlin's hair (again) and nails (again). They discuss Scott's deep desire to save people from the rain and Kaitlin's desire to let them soak and deal with their own life choices. Scott also wants to go on a marriage retreat and have lots of deep conversations and Kaitlin does not.  40% off Magic Mind Subscription for the first 10 users!!!!!! https://magicmind.com/SOWHATPOD40 Use code: SOWHATPOD40 Follow Kaitlin on Insta → @kaitlingraceelliott  Follow SWE on Insta → @so.what.else  So What Else Website

Kaitlin, Caroline, and Emily reminisce about Kaitlin's bad highlights. Caroline's apartment gets overrun with gnats, she inhales a bottle of Raid, finds a stray cat, and has a close encounter with an opossum…all in one day. Emily struggles to do basic math. Kaitlin makes an Amazon Wishlist so friends and family can buy her gifts (yes this includes you, listeners).  Follow Kaitlin on Insta → @kaitlingraceelliott  Follow SWE on Insta → @so.what.else  So What Else Website

Emily gives Kaitlin the greatest compliment of her life. The saga continues with the curse of Matt and Emily's HVAC. Kaitlin and Scott go on a trip to Maryland and revisit the site of Scott's most “profound” spiritual experience. They also get to see their nephew pitch in front of 40,000 people. His name is Garret Declue. He plays Banana Ball. He's #17 on the Firefighters. He's awesome. Go check him out. And in other news, Kaitlin wants to become an internet troll. Get a FREE Magic Mind Sample Pack https://www.magicmind.com/sowhatpodtrial DISCOUNT CODE: Sowhatpodtrial Follow Kaitlin on Insta → @kaitlingraceelliott  Follow SWE on Insta → @so.what.else  So What Else Website

Emily gets FIRED UP about her and Matt's latest HVAC debacle. Kaitlin's driving is starting to become a genuine hazard for the general public. Everyone debates lazy vacations vs. excursion vacations. Kaitlin gets into a sticky situation with her fake nails. Everyone (except Scott…cough cough…) finally listens to Lights On with Carl Lentz and shares their initial thoughts. Get 20% OFF Magic Mind https://www.magicmind.com/sowhatpod20 DISCOUNT CODE: SOWHATPOD20 Follow Kaitlin on Insta → @kaitlingraceelliott  Follow SWE on Insta → @so.what.else  So What Else Website

Kaitlin and Emily are experiencing a dog attack epidemic. Nick Canon hosts a Father's Day meet and greet…for his own children. Matt and Scott have strong feelings about the latest Pixar movie, Inside Out 2 (it might be the greatest movie ever made). The gang gets into politics for the first time...and last. And everyone shares their thoughts on Carl Lentz's new podcast, Lights On with Carl Lentz.  Get 20% OFF Magic Mind https://www.magicmind.com/sowhatpod20 DISCOUNT CODE: SOWHATPOD20 Follow Kaitlin on Insta → @kaitlingraceelliott  Follow SWE on Insta → @so.what.else  So What Else Website

Scott's inability to pronounce words in proper English is starting to cause mass confusion. Apparently Toad from the Mario universe has a different name?? Kaitlin nearly has an encounter with a home intruder. Matt and Emily finally upgrade to a king bed and forget how beds work. Scott has a debacle with a watch Kaitlin gifted him. Follow Kaitlin on Insta → @kaitlingraceelliott  Follow SWE on Insta → @so.what.else  SWE Website

Meredith Miller is a pastor, parent, and writer with over 20 years experience in children's ministry and curriculum. Meredith was Curriculum Director for the children's ministry at Willow Creek Community Church in Chicago, Illinois, where she created the framework for lessons that responds to the latest research on kids and faith formation. In 2019 she and her husband Curtis started Pomona Valley Church –a church on Zoom that wants to live the one-anothers, neighbor well, and do justice. And eat. Today, she joins us to talk about her book, Woven: Nurturing a Faith Your Kid Doesn't Have to Heal From, where we dive into things like, how to prevent instilling a moralistic faith in our kids, how to help our kids build trust in a good God as opposed to simply obedience training, and faith as a web vs. a wall. Please welcome, Meredith Miller. Meredith's Website Meredith's Book: Woven Meredith's Substack - The Great Big Bible Story Walkthrough Meredith's Podcast: Ask Away Follow Meredith on Insta → @meredithannemiller  Follow Kaitlin on Insta → @kaitlingraceelliott  Follow SWE on Insta → @so.what.else  SWE Website

While Matt and Emily are off developing gambling habits in Atlantic City (or ya know, attending a Veterinary conference), Kaitlin and Scott cuddle up on the couch for an Elliott's only episode. It's been a wild ride of a week in the Elliott household, so buckle up folks! Follow Kaitlin on Insta → @kaitlingraceelliott  Follow SWE on Insta → @so.what.else  SWE Website

Emily P. Freeman is a New York Times bestselling author of six books, including the book she's here to chat about today, How to Walk into a Room: The Art of Knowing When to Stay and When to Walk Away. Kaitlin and Emily discuss when it is time to walk in and out of metaphorical rooms in our lives, why it's okay to change your mind, and the four steps in the discernment process. Emily is lovely, she's wise, and a delight to listen to. Emily's Book - How to Walk into a Room  Emily's Website Follow Emily on Insta → @emilypfreeman  Follow Kaitlin on Insta → @kaitlingraceelliott  Follow SWE on Insta → @so.what.else  SWE Website

SWE Team takes a deep dive into water (not literally...like, drinking water). Kaitlin undergoes her most difficult life trial yet, glue on nails. Kaitlin almost burns her house down with her air fryer/oven/toaster/broiler. Thankfully Emily strongly endorses the fire blanket to keep us all safe. Kaitlin severely over-trusts her GPS when driving and frequently finds herself heading to the wrong destination. Honestly, after listening to this episode it's a miracle Kaitlin is alive at all. Nood Emily's Glamnetics Kaitlin's Glamnetics  Follow Kaitlin on Insta → @kaitlingraceelliott  Follow SWE on Insta → @so.what.else  SWE Website

Author Harrison Scott Key joins us to talk about his book “How to Stay Married: The Most Insane Love Story Ever Told.” Harrison shares his story of his wife having an affair (twice) and how they were able to reconcile their marriage; how he leaned into his faith and church community during the darkest time of his life; how his wife felt about him writing a book about her affair; and how they have talked to their children about everything that has gone on in their marriage. It's a heavy topic, but Harrison is hilarious and brilliantly weaves humor into his story. How To Stay Married @harrisonscottkey  Harrison's Website Follow Kaitlin on Insta → @kaitlingraceelliott  Follow SWE on Insta → @so.what.else  SWE Website

Emily and Matt are watching One Tree Hill and stuck in 2005. Kaitlin almost ruins holidays for her children by letting them listen to her own podcast. Filtered water is taking up too much space in Scott's life. No one can figure out if it's “say your piece” or “say your peace.” Mark Driscoll gets booted off stage at a men's conference. And Casa Bonita gets a makeover.  Follow Kaitlin on Insta → @kaitlingraceelliott  Follow SWE on Insta → @so.what.else  So What Else Website

Happy Solar Eclipse Day! Kaitlin and Scott are flying directly into the heart of the solar eclipse....maybe as we speak. Scott is ancient and his body is failing him. Every illness ever has passed through the Elliott household this year. The gang chats Easter outfits and Kaitlin's potentially risqué (not actually) Easter shorts. And Matt comes up with a new (possibly legitimate) subscription business idea. Follow Kaitlin on Insta → @kaitlingraceelliott  Follow SWE on Insta → @so.what.else  So What Else Website

The Chicola sisters are BACK to talk about all things Love Is Blind Season 6. But SPOILER ALERT...if you intend to watch it, but have not seen it this will absolutely ruin it for you and give away everything! Unless you don't care, then by all means...listen away! Follow Kaitlin on Insta → @kaitlingraceelliott  Follow SWE on Insta → @so.what.else  So What Else Website

The day has come...It has finally happened ...please welcome (he was forced against his will)...Reverend Doctor Pastor Mr. Poppi Dad Tim Chicola to So...What Else! The gang chats about Love Is Blind, men's hair care, and Kate Middleton conspiracy theories while Scott continues to confuse the world with his mispronunciation of vowels. Overall, Dad was pretty underwhelmed with the whole experience so he's probably not ever coming back (he secretly loved it). Enjoy! Follow Kaitlin on Insta → @kaitlingraceelliott  Follow SWE on Insta → @so.what.else  So What Else Website

The Party Animals, Dustin Baber, horrible dentist experiences, Dr.Dan, Emily gets fired up about pet shopping, Kaitlin gives up social media for Reddit, Matt and Emily are electric toothbrush curious....it's a SWEpisode, you know the drill friends.  The Party Animals Nano Bristle Toothbrushes  Follow Kaitlin on Insta → @kaitlingraceelliott  Follow SWE on Insta → @so.what.else  So What Else Website

Please welcome the one, the only, Dustin Doyle to SWE! You may remember Kate Doyle from previous episodes and may think it odd they have the same last name. Well, it's no coincidence. They're married. Kaitlin and Dustin chat about football (of all things) and recap the Super Bowl. Dustin's involvement in arresting a Real House HUSBAND on The Real Housewives of New Jersey. What it was like for Dustin and Kate to get married young. We love Dustin and so will you! https://www.magicmind.com/whatelse  discount code: WHATELSE20 Follow Kaitlin on Insta → @kaitlingraceelliott  Follow SWE on Insta → @so.what.else