Progressively Incorrect

In this episode of Progressively Incorrect, I'm joined by Jonah Davids. Jonah and I met while participating in a panel discussion around declining behavior in schools (listen here), which led me to invite him to discuss the evidence base behind Restorative Justice and Social-Emotional approaches in education. Are we on track or has there been … Continue reading S4E34: Jonah Davids on the Debates Over Restorative Justice and SEL

In this episode of Progressively Incorrect, I am delighted to host Peps Mccrea, the Director of Education at Steplab and the mind behind the must-read online newsletter, Evidence Snacks. Peps has dedicated his career to improving education through evidence-based practices. His latest project includes Great Teaching, Unpacked, a Netflix-style documentary that is pushing the boundaries … Continue reading S4E33: Peps Mccrea on Great Teaching and Human Flourishing

In this episode of Progressively Incorrect, I am delighted to host Rachel Ball, Coaching Development Lead at Steplab and a passionate advocate for effective teaching based on the science of learning. Rachel will explore her new book, The Scaffolding Effect, and the Explicit Instruction Conference we are both keynoting in New Mexico (sign up here!). … Continue reading S4E32: Rachel Ball on Scaffolded Instruction and Adaptive Teaching

In this episode of Progressively Incorrect, I'm delighted to host Laura Stam, a dedicated advocate for the Science of Reading and Direct Instruction. Laura will share her expertise on designing and curating resources to integrate content and vocabulary into literacy, discuss new shifts in her thinking and teaching, and offer insights into how structured teaching … Continue reading S4E31: Laura Stam on Integrating Explicit Teaching Practices into Elementary Classrooms

In this episode of Progressively Incorrect, I'm honored to host Ronak Bhatt, the accomplished founder and school leader of TELRA Institute. Ronak will discuss how acceleration can open doors for learners, share his thoughts on the benefits and challenges of homogeneous grouping, and provide insights into experimental educational models that offer bold alternatives to traditional … Continue reading S4E30: Ronak Bhatt on Accelerated Learning and Homogeneous Grouping

In this episode of Progressively Incorrect, I am delighted to host Rachel Sewell, Coaching Development Lead at Steplab and a passionate advocate for effective professional development. Rachel will explore the 14 mechanisms of effective professional development, including how they build knowledge, motivate educators, develop teaching techniques, and embed sustainable practices. Listen and subscribe to Progressively … Continue reading S4E29: Rachel Sewell on the Ingredients of Effective Professional Development

In this episode of Progressively Incorrect, I am thrilled to host Jonathan Regino, an innovative educator and instructional leader known for his expertise in curriculum adoption and math coaching. Jonathan is passionate about enhancing teaching practices and fostering impactful math learning experiences. Listen and subscribe to Progressively Incorrect on… SpotifyYouTubeApple PodcastsWordPress Jon will share his … Continue reading S4E28: Jonathan Regino on Curriculum Evaluation and Math Coaching

Today, I am thrilled to host Richard Mayer on Progressively Incorrect, a distinguished educational psychologist and researcher known worldwide for his groundbreaking contributions to understanding how we learn. Rich brings a wealth of knowledge and a sharp focus on multimedia learning, generative learning, and evidence-based critiques of discovery learning. Listen and subscribe to Progressively Incorrect … Continue reading S4E27: Richard Mayer on the Cognitive Theory of Multimedia Learning

Today, I am thrilled to host Lynn Gaffney on Progressively Incorrect, a passionate educator and leader known for her deep commitment to bridging research and practice in schools. Lynn brings a wealth of experience and a sharp focus on the science of learning, using evidence-informed strategies to drive meaningful outcomes for students and teachers alike. … Continue reading S4E26: Lynn Gaffney on Bridging Leadership and the Science of Learning

Today, I am thrilled to host Daisy Christodoulou, an esteemed author and education expert renowned for her groundbreaking work on curriculum and assessment. Daisy's thought-provoking insights have reshaped the way educators approach teaching, and her books, including "Seven Myths About Education," have become essential reads in the field. In this episode, Daisy will delve into … Continue reading S4E25: Daisy Christodoulou on Assessment Practices and Challenges

Today I am excited to be bringing you an episode of the DI podcast with Randi Saulter and Ann Baum. Randi and Ann are two passionate special education teachers who will take us through what Zig Engelmann called the “picky, picky” details of implementing DI in special education classrooms. This episode is chock full of … Continue reading S4E24: Randi Saulter and Ann Baum on DI in Special Education Settings

Hi everyone, Zach Groshell here. Avid readers of my website will know that I was recently on a show called The Literacy View, which is also one of the podcasts in my listening rotation. It was with great excitement that I was able to snag hosts Judy and Faith for a very Literacy View episode … Continue reading S4E23: Faith Borkowsky and Judy Boksner on “What’s Hot” in Literacy

Welcome back to Progressively Incorrect. Fans of my blogs might remember the interview series that J.R. Wilson and Barry Garelick provided around their book, Traditional Math. I'm excited to bring you the voices behind this common sense approach to math instruction. In our chat, we talk about a wide range of topics, including... 1. Breaking … Continue reading S4E22: J.R. Wilson and Barry Garelick on Engagement and Conceptual Teaching in Math

As we get closer to Spring, I am excited to be working with The Writing Revolution as part of my consultancy. The Writing Revolution, or TWR, is an explicit instruction approach to writing that was created by Dr. Judith Hochman. This method has been celebrated by proponents of cognitive science as a solution that adheres … Continue reading S4E21: Judith Hochman, Christine Teahan, & Toni-Ann Vroom on the Writing Revolution

A few years ago, I came upon a paper titled, "Why Educators Resist Effective Practices" with the provocative subheading, And What It Would Take to Make EducationMore Like Medicine. It was written by Douglas Carnine, who I would come to learn not only one of the most important voices in advocacy for evidence-based education, but … Continue reading S4E20: Doug Carnine on Advocacy for Evidence

I am excited to bring you an episode of the Thinking Out Loud series with my friend, Gene Tavernetti, who is cross posting these episodes on his podcast, Better Teaching Only Stuff that Works. During the episode, we talk about "rehearsal tasks", which are simply practice opportunities that a coach or presenter can plan for teachers. … Continue reading S4E19: Thinking Out Loud… Is Rehearsal Necessary for Effective Coaching and PD?

In this episode, I chat with Blake Harvard, aka The Effortful Educator, about applying cognitive psychology to the classroom. Blake and I presented together as part of the cognitive science strand at EdFest USA this year, and we share similar perspectives on the importance of bridging the gap between research and practice. In this interview, … Continue reading S4E18: Blake Harvard on Attention and Memory Constraints

In this episode, I chat with Kris Boulton, a legend in the space of translating principles of Direct Instruction (DI) into actionable steps for all teachers. It is such a great episode, with some very powerful messaging around the crucial role of the teacher in conveying and breaking down information so that all students can … Continue reading S4E17: Kris Boulton on Atomization, DI Principles, and Unstoppable Learning

In this episode, I catch up with Natalie Wexler to discuss her new book, Beyond the Science of Reading. Our wide-ranging conversation covers often underrepresented areas of the science of reading, including the importance of background knowledge for comprehension, cognitive load theory, and explicit writing instruction. Listen and subscribe to Progressively Incorrect on…SpotifyYouTubeApple PodcastsWordPress This … Continue reading S4E16: Natalie Wexler on Knowledge, Cognitive Science, and Beyond Phonics

Welcome back to Progressively Incorrect, a show sponsored by John Catt from Hodder Education and hosted by me, Dr. Zach Groshell. John Catt publishes some of the best books in education, including my book, Just Tell Them: The Power of Explanations and Explicit Teaching. https://www.amazon.com/Just-Tell-Them-Science-Explanation/dp/103600368X Listen and subscribe to Progressively Incorrect on…SpotifyYouTubeApple PodcastsWordPress This is … Continue reading S4E15: Brendan Lee and Zach Groshell on Effective Leadership

Today I am excited to bring you an interview with Kim Lockhart. Kim's work focuses on the science of reading and its application in second language programs. She has been a vocal advocate on social media for moving away from balanced literacy and adopting evidence-based approaches to teaching reading. When I first encountered Kim, it … Continue reading S4E14: Kim Lockhart on Supporting L2 Learners with the Science of Reading

Should students be taught to count on their fingers? Today I am excited to bring you an interview with Catherine Thevenot. Catherine is a researcher at the Institute of Psychology at the University of Lausanne in Switzerland. Her work focuses on cognitive development, particularly in the area of numerical cognition and arithmetic skills in children. … Continue reading S4E13: Catherine Thevenot on Counting on Your Fingers

Welcome back to Progressively Incorrect. My name is Dr. Zach Groshell, and today I am excited to bring you an interview with Jan Hasbrouck, the keynote speaker at NIFDI's 2025 National Direct Instruction Conference and Institutes. Dr. Hasbrouck is a renowned researcher and author with a distinguished career dedicated to improving literacy and educational outcomes. Dr. … Continue reading S4E12: Jan Hasbrouck on Reading Fluency and Direct Instruction

Welcome back to Progressively Incorrect, I am your host, Dr. Zach Groshell. This episode is a conversation between me and Sally Bergquist. Sally is an extremely talented and experienced teacher, and she recently challenged me to teach my child to write with her Engelmann-inspired writing program. It was an enormous pleasure to be able to … Continue reading S4E11: Sally Bergquist on Explicit Writing Lessons for K-2

Welcome back to Progressively Incorrect, a show sponsored by John Catt from Hodder Education and hosted by me, Dr. Zach Groshell. John Catt publishes some of the best books in education, including my book, Just Tell Them: The Power of Explanations and Explicit Teaching. It is now Amazon's newest BEST-SELLING book in education! Listen and … Continue reading S4E10: Nathaniel Swain, Steven Capp, and Katie Roberts-Hull on Harnessing the Science of Learning

I am excited to bring you an episode of the Thinking Out Loud series with my friend, Gene Tavernetti, from his podcast, Better Teaching Only Stuff that Works. This week, we're talking about my experience being coached by master instructional coach, Tamara Bressi - which I featured in an episode of The Direct Instruction Podcast … Continue reading S4E9: Thinking Out Loud… What is it Like to be Coached?

Welcome back to Progressively Incorrect, a show sponsored by John Catt from Hodder Education and hosted by me, Dr. Zach Groshell. John Catt publishes some of the best books in education, including my book, Just Tell Them: The Power of Explanations and Explicit Teaching. https://www.amazon.com/Just-Tell-Them-Science-Explanation/dp/103600368X Listen and subscribe to Progressively Incorrect on…SpotifyYouTubeApple PodcastsWordPress This episode … Continue reading S4E8: Christopher Such on Practical Approaches to Science of Reading Implementation

Welcome back to Progressively Incorrect, a show sponsored by John Catt from Hodder Education and hosted by me, Dr. Zach Groshell. John Catt publishes some of the best books in education, including my book, Just Tell Them: The Power of Explanations and Explicit Teaching. https://www.amazon.com/Just-Tell-Them-Science-Explanation/dp/103600368X Listen and subscribe to Progressively Incorrect on…SpotifyYouTubeApple PodcastsWordPress This is … Continue reading S4E7: Brendan Lee and Zach Groshell on Coaching, Culture and Change

Welcome back to Progressively Incorrect, a show sponsored by John Catt from Hodder Education and hosted by me, Dr. Zach Groshell. John Catt publishes some of the best books in education, including my book, Just Tell Them: The Power of Explanations and Explicit Teaching. https://www.amazon.com/Just-Tell-Them-Science-Explanation/dp/103600368X Listen and subscribe to this podcast on…SpotifyYouTubeApple PodcastsWordPress Today I … Continue reading S4E6: Robin Codding on Fluency and Strategies to Support Intervention Implementation

Welcome back to Progressively Incorrect, a show sponsored by John Catt from Hodder Education and hosted by me, Dr. Zach Groshell. John Catt publishes some of the best books in education, including my book, Just Tell Them: The Power of Explanations and Explicit Teaching. https://www.amazon.com/Just-Tell-Them-Science-Explanation/dp/103600368X Listen and subscribe to this podcast on…SpotifyYouTubeApple PodcastsWordPress Today I … Continue reading S4E5: Steplab + Teach Like a Champion with Doug Lemov, Josh Goodrich, and Peps Mccrea

Welcome back to Progressively Incorrect, a show sponsored by John Catt from Hodder Education and hosted by me, Dr. Zach Groshell. John Catt publishes some of the best books in education, including my book, Just Tell Them: The Power of Explanations and Explicit Teaching. https://www.amazon.com/Just-Tell-Them-Science-Explanation/dp/103600368X Listen and subscribe to this podcast on…SpotifyYouTubeApple PodcastsWordPress Today I … Continue reading S4E4: Tamara Bressi on Effective Coaching for Direct Instruction

Welcome back to Progressively Incorrect, a show sponsored by John Catt from Hodder Education and hosted by me, Dr. Zach Groshell. John Catt publishes some of the best books in education, including my book, Just Tell Them: The Power of Explanations and Explicit Teaching. https://www.amazon.com/Just-Tell-Them-Science-Explanation/dp/103600368X Listen and subscribe to this podcast on…SpotifyYouTubeApple PodcastsWordPress In this … Continue reading S4E3: Brendan Lee and Zach Groshell on the Nuances of Teaching Effectively

Welcome back to Progressively Incorrect, a show sponsored by John Catt from Hodder Education and hosted by me, Dr. Zach Groshell. John Catt publishes some of the best books in education, including my book, Just Tell Them: The Power of Explanations and Explicit Teaching. https://www.amazon.com/Just-Tell-Them-Science-Explanation/dp/103600368X In this episode, I catch up with Rodrigo Lopez to … Continue reading S4E2: Rodrigo Lopez on Putting Principles into Practice in Chile

Welcome back to Progressively Incorrect, a show sponsored by John Catt from Hodder Education and hosted by me, Dr. Zach Groshell. Listen and subscribe to this podcast on…SpotifyYouTubeApple PodcastsWordPress In this episode, me and my friend Gene Tavernetti catch up after a busy summer to talk about strategies for effective modeling from the new book, … Continue reading S4E1: Just Tell Them – The Power of Explanations and Explicit Teaching

Welcome back to Progressively Incorrect and to the season 3 Finale of this podcast. In this final episode before I take a break for the summer, we are going out with a bang by bringing back one of the most respected and influential cognitive psychologists in the world, Paul Kirschner. Before we go over to … Continue reading S3E21: Paul Kirschner on “Let’s Talk Evidence” and the Latest Debates Over Inquiry Learning

Welcome back to Progressively Incorrect, I am your host, Dr. Zach Groshell. This episode is the second of two DI podcast episodes that I am releasing this weekend ahead of the Progressively Incorrect Season 3 finale with Paul Kirschner. Progressively Incorrect is brought to you by John Catt Educational, which publishes some of the best books … Continue reading S3E20: Casey Sovo on Improving Reading Outcomes for Indigenous Students

Welcome back to Progressively Incorrect, I am your host, Dr. Zach Groshell. Today I am excited to be bringing you the first of two DI podcast episodes that I will be releasing this weekend ahead of the Progressively Incorrect Season 3 finale with Paul Kirschner. My guests are DI mathematics experts Marcy Stein and Bernadette … Continue reading S3E19: Marcy Stein and Bernadette Kelly on Direct Instruction Mathematics

Welcome back to Progressively Incorrect, I am your host, Dr. Zach Groshell. Today I am thrilled to be speaking with Meg Lee and Jim Heal, two educators at the cutting-edge of evidence-based education. They're going to be talking to us about the work they're doing to scale the science of learning up and across this … Continue reading S3E18: Meg Lee and Jim Heal on Evidence-Informed Practice at Scale

Welcome back to Progressively Incorrect, I am your host, Dr. Zach Groshell. Today I am very excited to be speaking with Scott Hill, the Superintendent of Evergreen School Division in Manitoba, Canada. We will be talking about evidence-informed school leadership, including the shift that Evergreen has made towards a science of reading based curriculum, and … Continue reading S3E17: Scott Hill on Evidence-Informed School Leadership

Welcome back to Progressively Incorrect, I am your host, Dr. Zach Groshell. Today I am very excited to be speaking with Haili Hughes as part of my ongoing inquiry into instructional coaching approaches. If you're a leader or instructional coach yourself, be sure to check out previous instructional coaching episodes of Progressively Incorrect, such as the … Continue reading S3E16: Haili Hughes on Tools and Structures for Effective Coaching

Welcome back to Progressively Incorrect, I am your host, Dr. Zach Groshell. Today I am very excited to be speaking with Corey Peltier as part of my ongoing obsession into how we teach math. If you haven't already, I recommend checking out the hugely popular Science of Math episode I recorded a few months ago … Continue reading S3E15: Corey Peltier on Scientifically Informed Math Interventions

My guest today is literacy expert, Stephanie Stollar. Stephanie is one of my go-to sources for science of reading insights because of her ability to break down technical and complex topics and turn them into actionable steps for practitioners. I will be talking with Stephanie about the misconceptions that surround MTSS, or the multi-tiered system … Continue reading S3E14: Stephanie Stollar on Structured Literacy that is Truly Responsive

Welcome back to Progressively Incorrect, I am your host, Dr. Zach Groshell, and this week I am excited to share with you my interview with Jean Stockard from the Direct Instruction podcast. There are plenty of introductions in the recording, so I'll make this part quick.First, I am looking to establish more long-term relationships with … Continue reading S3E13: Jean Stockard on the Effectiveness of Direct Instruction

Welcome back to Progressively Incorrect, my name is Dr. Zach Groshell, and today I am so excited to be releasing this special episode, which is all about researchED. We will begin with a full interview with Carl Hendrick, the keynote speaker of researchED Greenwich. Carl will talk to us about the researchED movement and the … Continue reading S3E12: Carl Hendrick and the researchED US Panel

In this episode of Progressively Incorrect, I have the great pleasure of interviewing Kimberly Berens, the author of Blind Spots: Why students fail and the science that can save them and the founder of Fit Learning, an organization that combines the science of learning, precision teaching, direct instruction, and curriculum-based measurement, into one comprehensive approach. … Continue reading S311: Kimberly Berens on Blind Spots and Behavior Science

Welcome back to Progressively Incorrect. My name is Dr. Zach Groshell and this week I am excited to be bringing you the 2nd episode of my series on Direct Instruction, this time with Linda Carnine, Susie Andrist, and Jerry Silbert. They are going to be talking about what it was like to be on the … Continue reading S310: Linda Carnine, Susie Andrist, and Jerry Silbert on What Was Project Follow Through?

Welcome back to Progressively Incorrect, a show hosted by me, Dr. Zach Groshell. Today I am very excited to share with you this extra special panel interview on the Science of Math! You will hear from four legends of math, Sarah Powell, Amanda VanDerHeyden, Anna Stokke, and Nathaniel Hansford. Not counting that other super-secret podcast … Continue reading S3E9: Science of Math Panel featuring Sarah Powell, Amanda VanDerHeyden, Anna Stokke, and Nathaniel Hansford

We're going to be talking about educational policy today, specifically around the growing Science of Learning movement in Australia, with Trisha Jha. But first, I have a few announcements for you. Progressively Incorrect is coming to researchED Greenwich (USA) for a live recording of this podcast! I will be interviewing a panel consisting of Pedro … Continue reading S2E8: Trisha Jha on Australia’s Science of Learning Movement

Welcome back to Progressively Incorrect. My name is Dr. Zach Groshell, and for this episode, I am excited to share with you the first episode of The Direct Instruction Podcast with Kurt Engelmann and Bryan Wickman. We will hear about the origins of Direct Instruction, how it differs from lowercase "di" and explicit instruction, and … Continue reading S3E7: Kurt Engelmann and Bryan Wickman on Direct Instruction (DI)

Today we are going to be talking to Kent Johnson and Andrew Kieta, who run a very unique school that is just up the road from me called Morningside Academy. Morningside utilizes evidence-based strategies and programs, including Direct Instruction and Precision Teaching. They offer their teachers robust professional development and instructional coaching around their model, … Continue reading S3E6: Kent Johnson and Andrew Kieta on Behavioral Education

Welcome back to Progressively Incorrect. My name is Dr. Zach Groshell and, in this episode, we're going to be talking with one of my mentors of instructional coaching, Gene Tavernetti. Gene is the author of two John Catt Educational books, Teach Fast: Focused Adaptable Structured Teaching, and Maximizing the Impact of Coaching Cycles. He is … Continue reading S3E5: Gene Tavernetti on Making Instructional Coaching Work