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On this bonus episode of Knockin’ Doorz Down, we’re joined by Elaina Vieira, President of the Carlos Vieira Foundation, to discuss the Race to End the Stigma Scholarship with Annie Roe, Emma Carney, and Yaneli Guerra-Hernandez.  Annie shares her struggle living with an eating disorder and how self- care practices like meditation, yoga, and stretching helped her overcome it. She discusses the positive steps she's taking to end the stigma surrounding mental health. For more on her story, we’ve made her essay partially available in the description below. This is Annie Roe in her own words on Knockin’ Doorz Down. For Annie's complete essay- https://www.carlosvieirafoundation.org/programs/race-to-end-the-stigma/scholarship-recipients.html#qxt-qx-tabs-4934084 Emma is passionate about talking openly about mental illnesses that are physically visible. She is active in multiple organizations that help to start the conversation about mental illness. She discusses her future goals for college and her future career. For more on her story, we’ve made her essay partially available in the description below. This is Emma Carney in her own words on Knockin’ Doorz Down. For Emma's essay - https://www.carlosvieirafoundation.org/programs/race-to-end-the-stigma/scholarship-recipients.html#qxt-qx-tabs-4934087 Yaneli shares her struggle with anxiety following a serious car accident. She shares the positive steps she's taking to end the stigma surrounding mental health. For more on her story, we’ve made her essay partially available in the description below. This is Yaneli Guerra Hernandez in her own words on Knockin’ Doorz Down. For Yaneli's complete essay-https://www.carlosvieirafoundation.org/programs/race-to-end-the-stigma/scholarship-recipients.html#qxt-qx-tabs-4934085 This is Annie Roe, Emma Carney, and Yaneli Guerra-Hernandez in their own words on Knockin’ Doorz Down. For more on the Carlos Vieira Foundation and the Race to End the Stigma campaign visit https://www.carlosvieirafoundation.org/ The Race to End the Stigma Scholarship was created by the Carlos Vieira Foundation to start the conversation about mental health. The $2,000 Race to End the Stigma Scholarship is granted annually to graduating high school seniors who are interested in mental health awareness or who are willing to share their stories about mental health in an effort to end the stigma. https://www.carlosvieirafoundation.org/ https://www.facebook.com/CVFoundation/ https://www.instagram.com/carlosvieirafoundation/ For Carlos Vieira's autobiography Knockin' Doorz Down https://www.kddmediacompany.com/ For 51FIFTY use the discount code KDD20 for 20% off! https://51fiftyltm.com/ https://www.facebook.com/51FIFTYLTM https://www.instagram.com/51fiftyltm/ https://twitter.com/51fiftyltm For more on the Knockin' Doorz Down podcast and to follow us on social media https://www.kddmediacompany.com/podcast https://www.instagram.com/knockindoorzdown/ https://www.facebook.com/knockingdoorsdown/ https://twitter.com/kddmediacompany https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCUSJ5ooBFqso8lfFiiIM-5g/   

  Meg was once on Disney's Dream Squad, and while that usually meant making dreams come true - one time it almost meant her job! Plus, Jay Sherer faces off with Josh Taylor in a game of Goldblumian and Nic Cagean proportions on Theme Park Pulse: The Game!-To support our work for as little as $1 a month on Patreon - click here!-AUTOMATED TRANSCRIPTION (will contain many, many, many errors) Kory: [00:00:00] welcome to  pulse, the game, the game show for theme park fans. I'm your host Kory in San Francisco, California. And I'll introduce you to the rest of the panel in just a second. Theme Park Pulse: The Game is a fan supported podcast. Meaning this ultimately costs us more money than we make. It's truly a labor of love for everyone you hear on the show and we can really use your support on our Patriot for as little as a dollar a month. You'll get some awesome benefits and you'll help us offset the costs associated with making this show. There's a link down in the show notes. If money is tight and we totally get that, help us out by telling a friend about the show and showing them how to subscribe. Hmm, thanks in advance. In the next half hour, you'll meet a former cast member and part of the Walt Disney world dream squad laid off during the pandemic and our buddy Jay Sherer from the story geek stops by for an unconventional showdown on rollercoaster. Rapid-fire up first. It's the Park's pop culture pop quiz. if you'd like to play theme park pulse the game. Call (213) 935-0513. That's (213) 935-0513. And leave a message. Let's welcome. Our listener contestant on theme park pulse the game from Orlando, Florida. It's Meg Patton. Hey meg. Great to be here. Thank you for joining us! In just a minute. I'm going to test your Park's knowledge with the Park's pop culture pop quiz. But first I'd like to introduce you to our legacy panel,  Albie: [00:01:54] Oh, that's not funny.  Kory: [00:01:56] Up first. Check again from the deck of a star ship that is randomly docked in Sacramento, California, for some reason, it's our scorekeeper Albie up high.  Adam: [00:02:05] Yeah.  Albie: [00:02:05] So I needed fuel some like, Hey, this place looks cool and it's not covered in snow. Let's stop here.  Kory: [00:02:11] And the gas prices are cheaper there than, you know, a lot of nearby cities.  Sean: [00:02:15] Yeah. I  Albie:[00:02:15] don't have to steal it from a. Pirates some space.  Kory: [00:02:19] It's just practical, just a few miles away from Alby there in California's capital city sits the host of Adam's theme park time machine on this channel, and very much in competition for the best beard on this show. It's Adam Vargas. Well, and see we're  Adam: [00:02:32] on zoom, so I'm not wearing a mask so you can see it. And it's newly trimmed. It's good  Kory: [00:02:37] for this next panelist known for her haikus. A poem roses are red. Violets are blue. Nikki loves kitties and podcasting. Oh,  Nikki: [00:02:48] that  Kory: [00:02:48] was wonderful. Co-host of Jack and Nicky weekday mornings on WVA Q in Morgantown, West Virginia. Hey man. Oh,  Nikki: [00:02:56] what's up? Y'all  Kory: [00:02:57] South South West of West Virginia in the suburbs of Greenville. South Carolina is where we find our friend Jack. Calls him Shawny. Shawn, Shawn, Shawn, or daddy. Goth Santa's is used regularly, but his friends just call him Sean.  Sean: [00:03:12] I'm also not wearing a mask, but when I do, you can still see my beard. They just become one after a while.  Kory: [00:03:20] It's true. And finally, he is the host of modern mouse on YouTube and in your podcast feeds. And he's the trivia. God. He wrote that on Tuesday nights for Disney trivia, Tuesday on the theme park pulse, Twitch and Facebook live. It's Josh Taylor in Denver, Colorado. Hey, John Corey, I wrote you a potent too. Adam: [00:03:37] Did you? Yeah. Uh, it  Unknown: [00:03:38] goes like this, uh, roses are red. You just introduced me. I'm here for some games and probably some hazing. Yeah. I.  Sean: [00:03:50] And a genius Kory: [00:03:55] continuing our series. He's on former cast members of the Walt Disney company. Maggie worked on the dream squad, which by the way, sounds super rad. Just get to make people's dreams come true. It's amazing. And you had a bit of a swash buckling interaction. You might say with a guest at up cuts, mouse gear, can you share that story? Meg: [00:04:15] I would say the, you know, the dreams, God was amazing, you know, given out dreams, nicest Cinderella, castle, suite, and Disney vacation club memberships. But when you were not doing all those high profile things, you were just literally wandering the park and. Looking for ways to amuse yourself and others. So I came out from our office and I look over and there's this older grandfather type gentlemen coming out of mouse gear, wearing a child's pirate hat is kind of standing there, you know, arms crossed. I was like, Oh, I have to go talk to this guy. So immediately, very chatty we're talking it up, I'm calling them a pirate, R B from Mayday and you know, he's going back and forth. I was like, Oh, this is great. What fun? I was like, wait, I have, I have a pirate button. I can like officially make this guy a pirate. So I take out the button, I make it this big thing. He's like all excited. And he goes, would you mind pinning it on me? And I was like, Oh, you know, okay. I don't, you know, any, I will never forget this. He like slow motion pulls his arm that had kind of been hidden, which I didn't. Well, he noticed out and on his hand is an honest to goodness, real life hook. So all of a sudden my brain goes, I just called a man to the hook. It  Unknown: [00:05:31] five times  Meg: [00:05:34] I. If going to get fired. I like look at the fellow dream squad member that is with me who thank goodness is the sweetest person on the planet. So I was like, they will believe Jackie that I will not  thank goodness. I have a witness and he like taps the button with his hook. So that like day, sir, I was like, Oh my God. Oh my God. So I immediately go upstairs, write a whole email to my leader like this. I was really trying to make magic. It really blew up in my face. So fast forward the end of the night, if you've ever been at the parks, sometimes we wave and so dreams called. We would do that. And I saw this man coming in a sea of like 30,000 people. I see my pirate. I was like, Oh my gosh, this is it. This is where he's going to call me out from everyone. And about these were this big family and they all yell my name. Everybody literally bought it.  Unknown: [00:06:26] So excited. They're like, he's been  Meg: [00:06:27] jogging about you all night. I'm so glad he got to meet you. He's so proud to be a pirate. So I was like, Oh,  Kory: [00:06:34] ultimately really happy with what you had done.  Adam: [00:06:37] But I was  Meg: [00:06:37] like, this is, I can't believe I called a man with a hook, a pirate.  Kory: [00:06:43] Maggie, you haven't let leaving the Disney company slow you down. You have a next page with mag where you put together a children's literature with related activities for kids. You've also created this thing that I'm fascinated by story hunts. What is story  Meg: [00:06:55] hunts? So I personally have always been a fan of. Trivia, you know, it's just something I naturally liked and there's this great Facebook group called for each other that allows cast members and folks that want to support the impact of cast members, ways to connect. And what are people looking for? And someone said, Hey, we're going to the parks. We know not everything's open. We're looking for like a scavenger hunt type of thing. And I was like, shh. I can't do that. You know, no one tells a story like Disney and there are so many details, teeny tiny ones, a big ones, you know, of course you can walk into agency expedition, Everest, and you know, you're in Asia, but do you also ever look at the prayer flags that are hanging and the dinged up pots and pans that are from the village? So it's, it's that type of stuff that I send people all over the park.  Kory: [00:07:39] I'm looking for. Where can people find your scavenger hunts? Cause that sounds really fun.  Meg: [00:07:42] Yes. People are like, which one's your favorite? I'm like, well, I really try not to make a lame one. I mean, they're all on both Facebook and Instagram as well as Gmail next page with Meg. All right,  Kory: [00:07:56] man. We're going to play the parks, pop culture, pop quiz. I'm going to ask you three questions about some recent news from Park's pop culture. If you get too correct, we'll send you a glow in the dark theme park pulse wristband. You're ready to play. Oh, yeah, let's do it. Here we go. Question one. It was once the rainforest cafe. Now it's Disneyland's first store outside the park dedicated to what space centric franchise,  Meg: [00:08:23] a desktop. Kory: [00:08:27] Oh, you can no longer get a burger under a drippy elephant. You can take home a grow goo of your very own. In my mind, I'm like. Can we do both room for all. How about a drippy Grogan? Can we get that? Sean: [00:08:43] Eat the crumbs  Unknown: [00:08:44] out of that little baby's mouth. Kory: [00:08:50] Okay. Mag question two. It was announced recently that Disneyland is considering a dedicated entrance gate for what,  Meg: [00:08:58] uh, annual pass  Unknown: [00:08:59] holders.  Kory: [00:09:01] That's right. An idea. And it's one that has already been implemented widely at Walt Disney world in Florida. But it makes me wonder before you give pass holders, their own entrance. Wouldn't you want to consider actually like having pass holders?  Unknown: [00:09:17] I don't know for us legacies.  Kory: [00:09:19] You have your own line to go buy a one day one park ticket. All right, Meg, last question. As part of the upcoming 18 month celebration of Walt Disney world's 50th anniversary, which spherical park icon is getting some lighting upgrades. Unknown: [00:09:34] I believe it is  Meg: [00:09:34] spaceship earth.  Kory: [00:09:37] That's right. It was also announced that those lighting upgrades will be permanent Disney. It's calling the 50th, the world's most magical celebration. It's rumored that Imagineers are already working on plans for the 60th anniversary of the resort, which they plan to call the world's more, most magical or celebration Topia. Adam: [00:09:56] They really need you on  Kory: [00:09:57] payroll. They do. I'll be headed back, do on the Park's pop culture, pop quiz. As the legendary  Adam: [00:10:02] RuPaul says,  Unknown: [00:10:03] you're a winner, baby. Kory: [00:10:08] I wondered if lb could make this show a little bit Geyer and he did. Thank you, Alby. Congratulations, Maggie. Will you stick around and play some more games later in the show? Up next. We meet our guest Jay Scherer and put him to the test against a member of our panel and a game of gold blue Meehan and Nick KGN proportions. See what I mean? Next on theme park pulse, the game. Welcome back to theme park, post the game. Our guests this week is a long time friend of the no midnight media family of podcasts. He's an author and is a part of the story geeks podcast and YouTube channel in Southern California. It's our pal, Jay Shearer. Welcome Jay. Hey,  Jay Sherer: [00:10:55] it is a pleasure to be here. It's like in pandemic days. I'm just  Kory: [00:10:58] glad I get to hang out with you guys. It does feel like hangs, not quite the same as the hangs we're used to, but almost how are you and your wife passing the time they're in. So Cal without Disneyland to run off.  Jay Sherer: [00:11:10] Oh, it is such a bummer. I will tell you, we do get down to downtown Disney when it, when it's open and we'll have, you know, a meal and try to get some ice cream and salt and straw, which is amazing. But yeah, a lot of times, I mean, we're just like watching TV, doing podcasts, working remotely, staying at home.  Kory: [00:11:27] You do what you can, in addition to being a super talented podcaster, definitely checkout story geeks. You're also an author and that you co-wrote an audio book called death of a bounty Hunter. That's getting a lot of attention. Tell us about that. What's death.  Jay Sherer: [00:11:42] Death of a bunny owner is my favorite thing that I have actually ever written. And one of the things that made it, my favorite thing is it exists as a novel. But we wrote it to be a full cast audio book. So we know we didn't have the budget to film a movie. And so what we did was we said, look, we can actually write this as a full cast audio book use all of our friends who are in the acting community and do this. And so we have three different narrators who were recording from the first person, but we have a total of 11 voice actors voicing 14 different characters. It's like a supernatural steam punk Western. So if you're into that kind of thing, it's a genre mashup, and it's a story about a Korean bounty Hunter who kind of, has to come face to face with the widow. Of a guy that he killed. And so it's a very intense, but very fun story. And you guys can check it out death of  Adam: [00:12:33] a bunny, hunter.com. Can I just say quickly as an avid audio book listener, I wish more audio books would do that. I get so sick of hearing the same white dude doing voices. Bravo, man. Good job,  Kory: [00:12:47] Jay. What is the story? Geeks podcast.  Jay Sherer: [00:12:50] We're all about storytelling. And so the art of storytelling is really important to us. So Kayla Monroe, who is a screenwriter, he wrote the Mongolian connection. And I, uh, and sometimes occasional guests will talk about the philosophy of storytelling and what goes on, um, when you're writing our story or telling a story. And then we also have a whole team of people who just like to geek out about geek stories, science fiction, fantasy comic book stories. And so that's kind of a big mashup of all the things that we do together. And I think almost everybody here has been on that  Adam: [00:13:22] show. Right?  Jay Sherer: [00:13:23] Almost everybody here has been on that show at one point in time or  Kory: [00:13:25] another analyst, Josh Taylor have hosted a podcast dedicated to the personalities and work of two great American actors. You've got one. You've already done one that's coming up. The first one was on Jeff Goldbloom. And the upcoming one is about Nick cage. Why those two actors and later why work with Josh Taylor? I'm just kidding.  Adam: [00:13:49] It's fair. Actually. I want to do  Jay Sherer: [00:13:51] those podcasts because I get to work with Josh Taylor, who I think is super fun to work with. He's the best. Basically Josh came to me and it was like, I love Jeff Goldbloom and I think you're going to fall in love with Jeff Goldblum. I was like, all right, let's see. And then of course you do because he's Jeff Goldbloom. We had a blast on that podcast. That was a fun one. That was good. I think we just said to ourselves, like we chose one huge nineties celebrity. Who else was big in the nineties. Oh, Hey, that guy, Nick cage big. Let's go after  Kory: [00:14:17] him. Scope living still out there somewhere. Josh  Sean: [00:14:20] Taylor. Yeah. You can still listen to global blooming currently  Unknown: [00:14:24] at the. Network 1901 or modern mouse website.  Kory: [00:14:27] After all that work, you should be an expert on both of those men by now, but so HSA Josh Taylor. So this time on theme park, post the game, we are pitting you against each other. It's rollercoaster. Rapid-fire the Goldbloom cage Taylor Scherer showdown, Adam.  Adam: [00:14:46] All right. I'll admit, I don't think Nicholas cage and Jeff Goldbloom have that much to do with theme parks, but you know what? You guys love those guys. And we like to have fun. It's  Kory: [00:14:55] technicality. They like parks and they like these guys. Adam: [00:14:58] It's two degrees of separation. I guys, we played rollercoaster. Rapid-fire, uh, quite a few times here on theme park, host the game, but just a quick refresher on how this works. I am going to ask you five questions with a number. That is incorrect. All you have to do is tell me, is the correct number higher or lower for no other reason than the fact that Josh is before Jay on my screen, Josh is going to go first. And Jeff Goldbloom is going to be the first set of questions. No roller coaster rep fire, the marvelous Jeff Goldblum. Here we get the number of Portlandia episodes that Jeff Goldbloom stars in six.  Sean: [00:15:41] Oh, uh, uh, lower  Adam: [00:15:48] eight. My favorite roles include the doily salesman and the karaoke coach. Everybody needs to watch Jeff Goldbloom on Portlandia. Kory: [00:15:55] I think he's great. As the pullout King,  Adam: [00:15:57] he is very good as a pullout thing as well. Appearances in best picture, Oscar nominees, three lower. For Annie hall, the big chill, the right stuff. And the grand Budapest hotel. I don't know anything  Sean: [00:16:16] about Adam: [00:16:19] the number of times. Ian Malcolm says the word chaos or chaotic in Jurassic park nine. I'm  Sean: [00:16:28] going to go lower,  Adam: [00:16:30] correct. Six times. The word is said seven times in the movie once by Dr. Sattler and the other six by Dr. Malcolm Jeff gold blooms, Instagram followers, 1.5 million. Let me go higher 1 million, which honestly, that, that is criminally underrated. Yeah, man  Sean: [00:16:54] fashion icon that is still too low for our Lord and savior  Adam: [00:16:59] fifth and final question. The year he appeared on Saturday night live as Dr. Kent Waller opposite will Farrell as Harry Carey, 1999. Slower. 1997. And I only have one question for you. Hey, eat the moon. If it was made of ribs,  Kory: [00:17:22] I'll be, how many did he get?  Unknown: [00:17:24] He got three, right? So I guess he kind of does know  Adam: [00:17:26] Jeff Goldbloom ish. He recovered. Nice. All right. J three is the number to beat. And I'm nervous about this guys. Nicolas cage. Joshua  Jay Sherer: [00:17:35] was the one that did all the history stuff for this. Kory: [00:17:39] I'm trying  Adam: [00:17:40] to be interesting.  Kory: [00:17:41] Oh, is this big trouble? I guess  Jay Sherer: [00:17:42] let's see what I can do.  Adam: [00:17:45] Number of IMD B after credits 90. Oh,  Unknown: [00:17:50] higher.  Adam: [00:17:53] 102. I don't have a joke for that. That's a lot of movies, the rotten tomatoes approval rating for the Wicker man, 20% lower 15%. They're probably just all people who really, really liked. B's  Kory: [00:18:14] Josh, how are you feeling right now? I'm  Adam: [00:18:16] just really  Sean: [00:18:17] excited that we're talking  Unknown: [00:18:18] about  Jay Sherer: [00:18:19] Nick cage and  Adam: [00:18:19] Jeff Hogan movies in which he's credited by his birth name, Nicolas Coppola for if  Jay Sherer: [00:18:28] you would've asked me what his birth name was, I would not have known  Kory: [00:18:31] it. I'm going to say lower. Adam: [00:18:36] Yeah. Nicolas Coppola is for folks who don't know is the nephew of Francis Ford Coppola. He was credited by his birth name and two movies, a TV movie in the early eighties and fast times at Ridgemont high, where he's the pizza delivery guy amount of time that he was married to Lisa Marie Presley 100 days  Jay Sherer: [00:18:56] a minute, say higher, Adam: [00:19:01] just barely 107 days, which means of course he has something in common with Michael Jackson. One of the only people weirder than Nicholas cage. Ah, we got to do that. Jackson podcast, Jay Sherry, you're going for the clean sweep on Nicholas cage, the amount of money he spent on a T-Rex skull, $250,000.  Kory: [00:19:25] I don't even care what the answer is. Oh,  Jay Sherer: [00:19:28] I'm going to say that it's  Adam: [00:19:29] higher than that. Unknown: [00:19:34] Perfect  Adam: [00:19:35] score in rollercoaster, rapid fire. $270,000. He returned it when he found out it was stolen. Now maybe I'm a cynical guy, but if somebody said you'll want to buy this T-Rex skull, I would just assume that he didn't get it legitimately. What's the legitimate  Sean: [00:19:52] way to  Adam: [00:19:52] get it. See Rex  Sean: [00:19:53] skull, then  Kory: [00:19:55] Jeff Goldbloom would have, uh, found a way one roller coaster, rapid fire this  Adam: [00:20:01] time. I mean, see, I'm obsessed  Unknown: [00:20:03] with Cardi B and obviously. BJ's obsessed with Nick cage. So Jay won. Congratulations.  Kory: [00:20:09] I don't know what  Jay Sherer: [00:20:09] it says about me,  Kory: [00:20:12] Jay, will you hang out on the panel for a bit and play the eighth to work with us at the end of the show? Sure. Up next on the podcast, you see, Nikki will read haiku's exactly. Three. If Meg can guests two out of three, she might just be the champion of our next game by Nikki. I know. Oh my God. Thankfully, Nikki is a way more effective poet than I am happy. Hi, cruise is next on theme park pulse. welcome back to theme park, post the game. If you'd like to be a contestant call (213) 935-0513 and leave a message or you can email Nikki in IKK I at noon, midnight media.com. Let's welcome back to the show from Orlando, Florida. It's Meg Patton. Welcome back. Thank you, Meg, we've invited you back to play a game of silly lines and crispy rhymes. Yes. I made that up. It's a game Nikki invented. It's called happy haikus. Nikki  Nikki: [00:21:17] Meg, you create scavenger hunts for families at Walt Disney world and the resorts and beyond. So I thought I would create a little puzzle for you to solve, but we're going with Disney land rides.  Kory: [00:21:32] Just out of sheer cruelty. Really? I'm sorry. Tricky. Tricky.  Unknown: [00:21:38] I  Nikki: [00:21:38] have created three haikus for you. You need to guess two out of three, correct? Two wins. So keep those Disneyland rides in mind. All right. Haikus number one, who even are you eat? Drink grow shrink heads will roll a tumbling down. We go.  Meg: [00:21:58] I feel like that. I forget what it's called. Alice in Wonderland.  Nikki: [00:22:04] There you go. All right. This one might be a little bit tougher. Hey, number two. What a waste of pies? I hope you have insurance look out for that  Unknown: [00:22:17] train.  Meg: [00:22:20] Mr. Toad's wild ride  Nikki: [00:22:24] pass. He needs one  Meg: [00:22:25] insurance.  Adam: [00:22:27] Didn't that watch out for that train thing. Was that like a, what were you like doing a little Georgia? The jungle tie-in thing. That's what my mind went  Sean: [00:22:33] to.  Nikki: [00:22:34] Oh yeah. I didn't even think  Kory: [00:22:36] of that. I'm actually just surprised you didn't find a way to Ryman goes to hell in there somewhere because I mean, that's a real, real thing. You've got to give the devil his due. It's an important plot point,  Unknown: [00:22:47] right?  Sean: [00:22:48] Crispy rhymes,  Meg: [00:22:50] haiku, number three,  Nikki: [00:22:52] a code adventure, stop and play some basketball. Harold waits for  Kory: [00:22:57] you. Oh, this one's tricky. Matter what?  Unknown: [00:23:00] Yeah,  Kory: [00:23:04] that was very insightful. Basketball, I guess she would say I'll be, how did Meg do on happy haikus, our special  Unknown: [00:23:12] guest three questions. You're a winner. Kory: [00:23:20] close enough. We'll wrap up the show with park guests behaving badly. The eighth dwarf is next on the game. Hey, it's Corey real quick while I have you at the park post, the game is a completely fan supported podcast. And well, last year we almost broke even, but because of the pandemic and the economic downturn, we've seen a lot of our financial support dry up. If you've been thinking about supporting our work now would be a really great time to join us on Patrion. Just search for a patrion.com/no midnight. And join for as little as a dollar a month. You'll pick up multiple cool bonus episodes every week and get early access to all of our shows with no ads like this one. There's a link down in the description of this podcast. Take a look at that. Join us on Patrion. If you can, either way. Thank you so much for listening now back to the show. before we wrap up the show this week, we're going to play another round of the eighth dwarf play along at home or on social media using the hashtag eighth dwarf, Sean, take it away.  Sean: [00:24:35] All right. So we all know the seven doors they're designed to represent specific behaviors, personality traits. And at some point during any Disney trip, we're likely to see or be sleepy, dopey, happy, or. While 2020 keeps casting its shadow over 2021 grumpy, but every now and then we witnessed people in the parks. So we just can't categorize as one of the seven dwarfs. Their behavior is so outrageous that we fit these people into their own category that we call. The eighth dwarf. All right. We're all avid Disney fans park goers. Or we were back in the house the on days of 2019, you know, back in the before times. And we're all guilty, a little bit. Some of us made more than others of being that friend. You know, the one that, the note, all that is more than happy to offer tons of unsolicited advice. The minute you hear someone say the word Disney, most of us. Meanwhile, but then there are folks like Alex, no matter what Alex, who is single with no kids mind, you knows what's best for you on your trip with your family. It doesn't matter that your family five who is bringing along grandma and grandpa, which was not an uncommon occurrence before 2020, Alex has yet. Do it counter a trip that he can't micromanage all the help. He will gladly make all of your decisions for you. Context, be damned. He has a foolproof, one size fits all plan that you need to know. And clearly, if you don't listen to Alex, you are the stubborn one. Corey, what do we call Alex?  Kory: [00:26:08] Daddy  Sean: [00:26:11] buffoon. He,  Nikki: [00:26:14] you said he's single, right? Yeah, Unknown: [00:26:21] this is Len Testa from touringplans.com ah,  Adam: [00:26:28] E type a,  Kory: [00:26:33] I  Jay Sherer: [00:26:33] literally do not have a better answer than  Kory: [00:26:37] shots. Also. We have two Lin testers. That's the first  Sean: [00:26:44] and Meg.  Kory: [00:26:47] I see,  Sean: [00:26:49] I think Papa's he takes it. That's got a good flow. Good. All right. Next up, we have Danny with an eye. Let me start this whole thing by saying I'm old ish and I'm aware of this, but I don't reflectively hate all young people. For example, I think I do a wonderful job of tolerating, Jackie, Jack, Jack, and all of his shenanigans jokes aside. I do try to do my best to remember that I was in my twenties once and well, it's kind of a Rite of passage. You dumb manned or short-sighted things in your twenties. Oh, but Danny, she goes just a little bit too far, or at least Danny goes too far when she's on trips, surrounded by five of her friends, flash photography on pirates, reciting the script in the haunted mansion, singing loudly and poorly on carousel of progress, saving quote unquote spots in line for all of their new friends in the space, mountain queue, perhaps the most egregious. Practically stampeding over a young girl, dressed like bell so they can record themselves with guest on for their followers. Quote, unquote, I'll admit to being too old to get tick tock, but I sort of feel like it's not old fashioned to suggest that people not run over children. Unless, of course you are guest on, and then it's pretty much on brand. But come on, Danny. Corey, what is Danny's eighth dwarf name? 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BE SURE TO SEE THE SHOWNOTES AND LISTEN TO THIS EPISODE HERE Eve Picker: [00:00:11] Hi there. Thanks so much for joining me today for the latest episode of Impact Real Estate Investing. My guest today is Annie Donovan, COO at LISC, an organization deeply rooted in the community. Annie has built a truly remarkable career in community investment by embracing a pursuit of fairness in economics and finance. She found her way to this mission through her roots in Pittsburgh, growing up in a working-class family where she was exposed to ideas of social justice early in life. In no particular order, she has served as a senior policy adviser in the Obama administration's Office of Social Innovation, as the CEO of the social enterprise, Core Metrics, heading the Community Development Financial Institutions Fund, and she spent two decades at Capital Impact Partners, all before taking over as COO at LISC. Be sure to go to EvePicker.com to find out more about Annie on the show notes page for this episode, and be sure to sign up for my newsletter so you can access information about impact real estate investing and get the latest news about the exciting projects on my crowdfunding platform, Small Change.   Eve: [00:01:39] Hello, Annie, I'm really honored to have you on my show and pretty excited to talk to a fellow Pittsburgher.   Annie Donovan: [00:01:46] Well, thank you, Eve. I'm very happy to be here and I'm always thrilled and delighted to talk to Pittsburghers.   Eve: [00:01:55] Good. So, the first question I have is actually about Pittsburgh. So, you grew up in Pittsburgh, and I'm wondering how that shaped the way you see the world.   Annie: [00:02:04] Thank you for that question. It very much did shape the way I see the world. Well, first of all, let me just tell you a little bit about my context. I grew up on the North Side of Pittsburgh. From an Irish Catholic family, I am the 10th of 11 children.   Eve: [00:02:19] Wow.   Annie: [00:02:19] My father's family, so he was first generation American. His parents both came from Ireland. They actually bought a house on the North Side. So, the way that my, my parents were actually able to afford to raise a family that big was because my grandparents passed their home on to my parents. And so they never had to pay a mortgage. So, yeah. So, that's how we sort of made ends meet economically, and, you know, were able to create some mobility in our family.   Eve: [00:02:58] What neighborhood was that?   Annie: [00:03:00] Brighton Heights.   Eve: [00:03:01] Brighton Heights. Ok.   Annie: [00:03:03] But the things about Pittsburgh, you know, when you're from there or when you've lived a long time there, you know, Pittsburgh can take a hit for, you know, being provincial. And that's certainly the case. I mean, in my parents' generation, my parents had an ethnically mixed marriage because, you know, my father was Irish, and my mother was part German. But in their generation, people even went to church based on ethnicity. So, you know, so there's a lot of that sort of ethnic pride and it can feel a little provincial. But Pittsburghers are also very unpretentious and very warm and open hearted, I think, and just possess a lot of resilience and, you know, grit. Those are qualities that I'm very proud to have had instilled in me growing up that I've relied on throughout my career.   Eve: [00:03:58] So, you know, I think also what I noticed in Pittsburgh and I heard stories about the steel mills actually purposefully separating neighborhoods into ethnicities.   Annie: [00:04:09] Yes.   Eve: [00:04:10] And that sort of prolonged that here.   Annie: [00:04:13] Yes.   Eve: [00:04:13] And it's made the city architecturally interesting ...   Annie: [00:04:15] Yes.   Eve: [00:04:15] ... because the neighborhoods are really distinctive and unique ...   Annie: [00:04:20] Yes, yeah, very much so.   Eve: [00:04:21] ... and look very different. It's fascinating. And then, of course, there's the managers neighborhoods and the steelworker neighborhoods, so you know ...   Annie: [00:04:28] Right. And you know, interestingly, what happened in my family, I grew up in a working-class neighborhood and it was very working class. My father actually went to school at night and earned a college degree from Duquesne, and he was the only person in the neighborhood who had a college degree. And he was an accountant. He worked for the Allegheny County. So, we had this interesting blend of, you know, when our country was experiencing sort of white flight. Right, so lots of white folks moving out to the suburbs.   Eve: [00:05:03] Yes.   Annie: [00:05:03] And those white folks moved out and then they went on toward more upward mobility. And we stayed in the working class neighborhood. But we were still, in my family, able to experience upward mobility because we owned our home. And my father had a college degree.   Eve: [00:05:21] A degree, yeah yesh, yeah. What led you into the world of community finance?   Annie: [00:05:25] I had always had, I think, a heart for social justice work. I thought a lot about poverty, and I thought a lot about the kind of injustices that were in my world growing up. Of course, I was born in 1964, Pittsburgh being, you know, not only ethnically divided, but lots of really hard lines around racial division, as well.   Eve: [00:05:54] Yeah.   Annie: [00:05:54] And I have to say, I have to hand it to my mother, because when we were growing up, this is probably the mid-70s and my brothers ... well, so, in my family, there are six girls, and then three boys, me, and a boy. So, it's almost like having two generations, you know. And I grew up with the boys. They wanted to start a street hockey league. And you know so, of course, I was out there playing street hockey with them. I'm a Title IX gal, and they were looking for a coach. And so they put an ad in the newspaper and a guy responded to it. And his name was Curtis. He was from the Hill District. And of course, the Hill District is the historically Black neighborhood. And so they signed him up and he came over to Brighton Heights, which was a very white place, and coached the street hockey team. For me, you know, they just got me thinking about, like, why why do we have these divisions? And I have these ideas of what people from from Black communities were supposed to be like. And he wasn't like that. He wasn't like my image. And my mother, you know, they'd play street hockey and it'd be time for dinner, and of course, whoever was around my mother invited in for dinner. So, often times Curtis would eat dinner with us. When we said Grace before dinner, the way he bowed his head and prayed, you know, it just struck me that everything I'd kind of learned about our Black neighbors I didn't see in him. And so this is what got me thinking, like, what was all that education about? And so I've always been on a quest to understand what these racial lines are, too, and what the class lines are. And so, you know, I studied economics in college. Early on in my journey there was a 101 economics class and we were learning about rational thinking and optimization.   Annie: [00:07:53] And I remember thinking, well, this isn't really a fair way to allocate resources across a society. And so I said that to my professor afterwards, who was, you know, a classically-trained economist who was like, Chicago School. And he said, well, this isn't about fairness, it's about efficiency. And that was like, OK, I've found my mission. And so, you know, and then I joined the Peace Corps, went to the Peace Corps after college. You know, lived in a very poor place. And then, you know, then it really sunk in because the people that I lived around were supremely resourceful and smart and really dirt poor. And so, what was that about? So, that's when I became sort of even more fiercely committed to it. And, you know, that's so, that's been the pursuit of my career since then, is how do we use the tools of economics and finance, and how do we rewrite them in a way that produces a more inclusive prosperity, because we are leaving a lot of talent on the table.   Eve: [00:09:10] Ok, so you've had some really big roles from the White House to the head of the CDFI Fund. And now you're at LISC. And I'm wondering, I'm familiar with LISC, I actually benefited from a loan from LISC years ago ...   Annie: [00:09:23] Good.   Eve: [00:09:23] ... for one of my projects. And I'm wondering what brought you there.   Annie: [00:09:28] Yeah. So, what brought me to LISC was, so after my experience at the CDFI Fund, I knew I wanted to go back into practice, because that's kind of where my heart and soul lies. And so, one of the characteristics about LISC is that it is very committed to local – 'local initiatives' is part of our name. And I wanted to be in a place that was toiling more closely to the ground. You know, we have local offices, we have 35 and growing, local offices that really are programmatically focused and focused on capacity building alongside lending. And so, that's where I saw the ability to more closely connect those pieces and not just be finance oriented. But to get deeper, closer to the community. And then the second thing was I saw in Maurice Jones, a leader in our industry who is boldly ambitious, is ambitious for the sake of impact, and I was attracted to that as well. So, yes, so that's what drew me to LISC.   Eve: [00:10:41] Then like about community capital, what does community development capital look like today versus 20 years ago?   Annie: [00:10:49] Yeah, that's a really good question. So, I think 20 years ago, if you think about, or even 25 years ago, you know, the sort of the history of community development or community capital, community investment ... The community investment world, really, it braids together organizations and institutions that come from different origin stories. So, there's the origin story of the black-owned banks and minority depository institutions that got underway right after emancipation, for Black Americans to build wealth. There is the credit union movement that was tending to people of modest means who wanted to come together and save together and, you know, have access to financial services that were owned and controlled by them. And then you had the nonprofit loan fund world that emerged because community development really took shape in the war on poverty and the commitment of the federal government to funding community development corporations. There was an era there where there's a lot of federal funding, and we can talk about urban policy and how that, you know, CDCs kind of shifted urban policy. But then in the beginning of the Reagan era is when the feds really pulled back. And that's when loan funds really started to emerge to say, well, we have to create new ways to finance the activity of community development. And that's when the loan funds really started taking root. And then when Clinton came into office, he created the CDFI fund. And that has been a really important policy innovation, still as a policy innovation today, that has been investing the kind of equity capital that the industry needs to grow, that you can't really get anywhere else.   Annie: [00:12:46] So, the industry has really blossomed, partly because we had good seed capital and partly because we just have been a bunch of people who have had a faith in the people and the communities that we're investing in and have found a way to work with traditional and non-traditional sources of capital, to blend them in a way that allows investments to work in, you know, places where, you know, my old economics professor would have said you wouldn't invest in because it wasn't efficient, the rate of return wasn't commensurate with risk, and all those sort of traditional measures, you know, that's the reason capital doesn't flow to some of the communities that we care about. And we are becoming more mainstream. And even though we're still a tiny percentage of the financial services sector, I think through, even through the pandemic, you start to see CDFIs emerge, getting more attention in mainstream media. And certainly LISC has gotten a lot of, we've been able to raise a lot of resources through this pandemic because there's a recognition, and we've not only done the investing and gotten the money there where people said it can't go, but we've done it financially in a fiscally responsible way. So, we've proven that the places and the people we're investing in are creditworthy. That has allowed this industry to grow. And I think it's going to continue to grow. I'm optimistic about that.   Eve: [00:14:19] Years ago, I helped found a CDC in Pittsburgh. And what was really fascinating to me, because I was pretty new here and I didn't really understand this lay of the land very well, you know, I sort of dropped in from another country. But, you know, all of the work we did was to get us to the same place as neighborhoods and places that were doing OK. And I've been in, I've been in this work for a long time and we never seem to get there. And so, I'm wondering, you know, because when you take a step forward with CDFIs, and maybe this is, you know, a really naive way to look at it, but you take a step forward with CDFIs, and you take a step back with banks who no longer really want to bank in or lend in communities, or want more equity or want, you know, more traditional products to lend in, and it's just this never ending catch up, so, how does it all get better.   Annie: [00:15:30] Yeah. So, of course, I, I've been doing a lot of thinking about this and I think a lot of, a lot of folks have been soul searching around this, particularly because of the uprisings, demanding more, you know, racial, that we address racial equity. And so, it does often feel like, you know, some days it really just feels like we are just doing the work of bandaid, you know, putting bandaids on things. And that's, that's where I think this the work right now is really important because we can't be satisfied with what we've done because it's clearly not enough. And, but I think we are in a moment that we have to take, make the best use of, because we can't do this on our own, as our, with our little bitty organizations. And even if we're a billion dollars or two billion dollars or 10 billion dollars, we're still to itty bitty to to create change on the scale that needs to be, that needs to happen. But that doesn't mean this stuff shouldn't happen. And it's, and it does have to happen because even over my career, you know, 25 years ago if somebody had said that you'll be working for a CDFI or you will help the, you know, build a CDFI, that will get to be a billion dollars. You know, wow, that would have been, because we, these loan funds were starting at, they just wanted to get to 10 million, you know.   Eve: [00:17:04] Right.   Annie: [00:17:05] And and we we wouldn't be we wouldn't have the opportunities that are in front of us now if we hadn't taken all those baby steps to get to here. So, over the long haul, you know, I hope that we can get there. But, you know, there's the bigger, we have to be able to impact the bigger picture. And, you know, for example, it was discouraging to me when I was at the CDFI Fund, and the second two years I was there under this administration that, you know, that a tax policy got, got enacted that just, you know, felt like it was going to undo everything that we were trying to do. So, there are these macro forces that, you know, that we have to try to turn the tide on.   Eve: [00:18:04] Yeah, that's depressing. But I know (laughter) but I know it's a really long patient game because I've been, I've seen that, you know, on things I've worked on that initially were like, what are you doing? You're nuts to now being, OK, this is mainstream. Like co-working or lofts downtown or revitalizing downtowns ...   Annie: [00:18:27] Exactly.   Eve: [00:18:27] ... or all of that. And we're actually ...   Annie: [00:18:29] Exactly.   Eve: [00:18:29] ... I think you're right. We're in a moment. All of the progress we were heading towards has been unbelievably compressed by everything that's happened this year. So, maybe that's a good thing, but ...   Annie: [00:18:44] Yeah, and I think that it's also very complex too, right? Because, even we see in some places tremendous progress running exactly alongside of things that feel like tremendous regression ...   Eve: [00:18:56] Yes.   Annie: [00:18:56] ... you know, so, and both of those things are happening at the same time.   Eve: [00:19:01] Well, what's ... I'm going to ask you, may not know the answer. But I really puzzle about what's happening in traditional financial institutions. So, you know, I have this crowdfunding platform and what's been startling to me and, you know, and our purpose is to help raise money for creative change-making projects and help developers get a little equity together, that seems to be a little more and more equity every year as banks change their position on what they lend for. Because we think that creative, those projects are important for making cities better. B   Annie: [00:19:41] Yeh, yes.   Eve: [00:19:41] But it seems to me that they're retracting even further because we're just being flooded at the moment, and equity requirements go up. It just seems to be harder and harder to borrow money, to do things, that are different than the things we have today. And we know we need to do things differently to fix some problems.   Annie: [00:20:09] Yeah, yeah. Well, the way I think about this and what I see from my perch is that I think that we have to, we have to start thinking about the world beyond banks, and, you know, think about and work hard on this, you know, the idea of having broader stakeholders. I mean, banks have been brought to the table on community finance because of the Community Reinvestment Act.   Eve: [00:20:45] Right.   Annie: [00:20:45] And so, so what are the ways in which, you know, there might be policy levers that need to be pulled to get more folks to the table. But also, you know, what the next generation of employees and employers, I mean, I think that we're in for change and I'm really hoping that we're in for change with the next generation of leaders. Because they have been raised with different expectations and they are already changing, corporate, the way ... corporations are reacting. And you see now, you know, we've been the beneficiary of, you know, almost a 100 million dollars in corporate contributions that are going out to small businesses, as, you know, in this pandemic, in the form of relief grants.   Eve: [00:21:44] That's pretty fabulous.   Annie: [00:21:45] And what we did was, the first one that came in, the first corporation that came in and said, can you do this for us? And we said, yes, we can do it for you, but we're going to do it in our LISC way. And that means we are going to get to community-serving businesses that are majority-owned by people of color and women. And they said, OK, cool. Go ahead and do it. So, you know, and then the next company that came in said we want to buy that, we want to buy, especially as PPP, the paycheck protection program and SBA, major piece of the the CARES Act, you know, was clearly written in a way that was just going to follow the old rules for how you distribute capital. And then people started saying, wait, wait, wait, there has to be other ways to do this. And so the work that we were doing was tipping the scales. We put our thumb on the scale in favor of community-serving small businesses and gave preference, and we're ending up with, you know, somewhere in the low 90 percent, of the businesses that we're funding, are owned by people of color.   Eve: [00:23:04] That's pretty great.   Annie: [00:23:05] And yeah, and in the paycheck protection program, we got to about 80 percent of our companies being minority women- and women-owned companies. And when you put together and in the, on the private sector side, our formula was where we're going to advantage certain census tracts. We're going to advantage minority ownership and women ownership, and we're going to advantage certain size. So, when you line all those up, it's not that hard to come up with lots of folks to invest in. And that's where our money's gone.   Eve: [00:23:43] So, another question I have is looking at the other side of it. If a real estate developer has access to community capital, what should her reciprocal responsibilities be to that community?   Annie: [00:23:59] I think that's really, really very important because, and we have to all get better at this as well, in terms of how we doing community engagement, and how we're bringing people into ownership of what happens at the community level. And so I think, you know, there are just these models and this seems to me to be what's out there on the fringe right now, you know, and it's always what's happening on the fringe that's eventually going to be where where we all go, hopefully. But what I see is, I've been been advising on a project that's being done by a foundation of philanthropy. It's not a traditional philanthropy. It's one of the newer philanthropies. And they are, they're going to do they're investing in a real estate project in a very, one of the most distressed census tracts in Washington, D.C. And they are bringing together community stakeholders to say, how do we create a vehicle for people who live in that community right now before the development happens? How do we create a vehicle for them to invest in it and to get ownership in it? And those are, I think, the kind of strategies we need to be thinking about. You know, how do we, because otherwise if you just let this play out via market forces, you get gentrification a lot of times.   Eve: [00:25:40] Right, right, right.   Annie: [00:25:42] So, you know, we don't want to go in that direction. And that that means giving people real ownership stakes.   Eve: [00:25:48] I mean, I agree. That's what we at Small Change, I'm having similar conversations with some very large developers who are starting to think about that ownership piece, in really humongous projects in D.C. and New York. And it's really exciting to see that people are thinking about it. It is hopeful.   Annie: [00:26:08] So, yeah. And if you think about like, so, another example, and this is not at the project level, this is at the fund level. But, you know, we're managing we're going to be managing money on behalf of Netflix. And Netflix went out, and this was somebody inside Netflix who said, you know, in their treasury department, why are we sitting on all this money and not thinking about where it's invested? Why don't we get this to black-owned institutions and, you know, and that, and that's when, so, you know, like back to your question, when are we ever going to see this get better? I mean, that's when it's going to get better, right? When that person inside that corporation goes to the CEO, and the CEO says, yeah, absolutely, why aren't we doing that?   Eve: [00:26:53] Yeh, yeh.   Annie: [00:26:53] And then you put it out there. And once, when Netflix put that out there and they made the investment in us, we had so many corporations respond to say, well, how do we do that, too? So, that's what we have to do. We have to create the bandwagon. But the bandwagon that's moving money in this direction.   Eve: [00:27:12] Yeh. Yeh, yeh. So, I mean, how would you define impact investing then?   Annie: [00:27:20] Ok, so impact investing to me, I always define it as it's a spectrum, right, because I like I think it's important for all of us to have a big umbrella and be inclusive. Right? And on one end of the impact investing spectrum are the folks that would say, you know, you can invest, and do good and do well at the same time. Right? And there's not really a trade off. And then the other end of the spectrum is, you know, where my work has always been, which is on the whether you call it concessionary or catalytic capital, where you're trying to, because on that that first end of the spectrum, you're not disrupting any kind of the market forces. You're sort of saying the market can do this, but there's something missing in terms of information flow. So, if everybody had perfect information, then you know that that would solve the problem. So, I've never bought into that because I don't think that it accounts for the systemic racism that exists in our society and in our economy. And so, I think you have to be more disruptive than that. And that requires capital that, that is, that can be designed in a, and stacked and engineered in a way that allows more people to get access to it, to do the kind of projects, to create the kind of businesses that are going to let them into, you know, more economic activity. So, yeah. And my dream is always in my work is always trying to think about, how do we get the people who are on one end of the spectrum down toward the catalytic end? Because if you want to disrupt poverty, you can't do it on the market end, purely market end.   Eve: [00:29:28] No. Interesting. I mean, impact investing has been growing, I still think it's small. Do you expect, I'm, I suppose I'm wondering if you expect this, the events of this year to rapidly increase interest in that, too. Well, certainly if you see it from Netflix.   Annie: [00:29:52] Yeah, I think I think it is. And I think the question is, you know, the question that's on our mind at LISC is how do we, how do we convert the short-term interest into long-term relationships. Because, and how do we get people to see? Because actually, frankly, in the short run, it's good for a corporation's brand to step up and do this kind of work.   Eve: [00:30:17] Oh, yeh.   Annie: [00:30:17] I mean they're ... Yeah, and there's not really much at stake there. And frankly, you know, they could direct, if they wanted to, they could purely direct this out of their PR budgets.   Eve: [00:30:28] Yes.   Annie: [00:30:29] You know, and so how do we, how do we, you know, convert people to the long-term play? That's the work that's in front of us right now.   Eve: [00:30:40] Right. So, Just shifting gears a little bit, how, you know, what do we need to think about to make our cities and neighborhoods just better places for everyone?   Annie: [00:30:55] Yeah. I think that we have to, we have to think comprehensively, first of all. So, I don't think, that's the other another reason that I wanted to join LISC is because I like the comprehensive approach. Because I don't think there's any one dimension to neighborhood life that is a silver bullet. Right? So we have to invest more in education and housing stability is fundamental to economic mobility. And so, we have to invest in all of these things. And, you know, back to, back to the big picture of tax policy and how we tax and spend. I do think we just, the thing is, we know exactly what we need to do.   Eve: [00:31:54] Yes.   Annie: [00:31:55] We just have to invest in it. Right? We know the payoff of early childhood education. We know the payoff of education in general. We know the payoff of preventive health care. So, you know, what more evidence do you need? We just need to have the will and the commitment as a society. And once that's there, I think everything else follows.   Eve: [00:32:24] Yeh. And I see physically, too, we know the payoff of neighborhood parks and better streets and better lighting and all of those things that everyone wants in their own neighborhood. And some people don't have.   Annie: [00:32:39] Right. And we have to develop we have to develop our collective will to say that that's not OK. That's not the world we want to live in.   Eve: [00:32:49] So, what community engagement tools have you seen that have worked that, you know, you mentioned that that's a critical piece of it and that's hard.   Annie: [00:32:59] It is hard. It's hard for a lot of reasons, one of which is that when community developers who don't know community, if they don't know the community, if you're coming in to this, you know, as a sort of professional, you may have certain assumptions about what people, and I think one of the things we make a mistake on this all the time, like what does the community want? Well, you know what? Not everybody in the community agrees on what they want, just like, and just like in your community, you know.   Eve: [00:33:35] Yes.   Annie: [00:33:35] So, I think starting with listening, and being open is really, really important. And so, I mentioned a, you know, the project where, you know, in Washington, D.C., where the funder was coming in and actually saying, OK, we want to do, we want the result of, to be that people have an ownership stake. But why don't we find out from the community what that means to them, how they would do it? What, is that what you, is that what's really wanted? You know, so I think, you know, good community engagement starts with listening, not making assumptions and and bringing people in and just providing the space for voices to be to be heard and listened to. And, you know, just having a faith in that. That that's, you know, that that's going to going to lead you down the right path is a good way to get people involved. And I think that also, you know, when I started my career, after I got back from the Peace Corps, I went to work for the Campaign for Human Development. And in that work, we funded a lot of community organizing. And the ability of communities to organize themselves is also an important piece of this. Like the, there's very little investment that goes into community organizing. And I think that's a really important component.   Eve: [00:35:24] You know, that's what I was just going to say, because I think about, like when you're a very large developer doing a large scale project, you can absorb that community organizing piece.   Annie: [00:35:35] Yes.   Eve: [00:35:35] But when you're a small developer doing like interstitial projects that are, you know, fit into a neighborhood, that becomes a pretty heavy lift in terms of resources ...   Annie: [00:35:46] Exactly.   Eve: [00:35:46] ... and there to help, and how do you get that done properly. It's really, it's hard. It's hard.   Annie: [00:35:53] Right. Right. And it's also, you know, and we need more philanthropy dollars in that because that's a really hard role for government to play. And we administer a lot of Section 4 money, and that's out of the HUD budget, and that's for capacity building of local organizations, and, tt's really hard money to work with.   Eve: [00:36:16] Yes. Yeh, yeh.   Annie: [00:36:16] You know, it's, so there's a need for investment in, of flexible dollars into neighborhood organizing and leadership development.   Eve: [00:36:27] Yeah, no, I agree. So, what's what's next for you and LISC? I mean, what do you think the next five years will look like in this pretty fast-moving time that we're having here?   Annie: [00:36:40] Yes. So. Well, I think that we are on a pathway, move, you know, moving to the next level of growth and scale. And for us, that's about how do we, how do we use the assets that we've built so far to get to the next, to get to that next level? And I think for us, you know, putting impact first, you know, the racial equity piece of this is really important. And I think, I am very hopeful that we are going to be able to do the deeper work there, that we're going to, you know, take, choose the pathway of doing the harder, deeper work. Because the long-term outcome is going to be better. And we're going to, you know, try to bring our partners along for that ride. And I think that we are through this period, we have greatly increased our capacity to reach small businesses, and to think about inclusive economic development. How do we build the infrastructure for more inclusive economic development? And ecosystems that support community, small community-owned or locally owned small businesses? And, you know, and we have to be thinking about how are we disrupting systems? So, because we're at the edges of them now, you know, in terms of their usefulness and we have to build something that's built to suit, for the next level of scale. So.   Eve: [00:38:41] Thank you very much. I really enjoyed the conversation. And I can't I really can't wait to see what you build and where LISC goes and where you go with all this.   Annie: [00:38:52] Well, thank you and I love the work that you're doing, every dimension, you know, that, every strategy that brings in more capital and the, you know, more of the kind of equity capital that you're pulling in and democratizing that, I think is a really powerful strategy. And I also wish you the best.   Eve: [00:39:17] Yeh, all takes ... Thank you, Annie.   Annie: [00:39:19] Yes. I can't wait to. I can't wait to see that happening.   Eve: [00:39:22] Bye.   Annie: [00:39:22] OK. Bye, bye.   Eve: [00:39:29] That was Annie Donovan. Annie thinks we need to start thinking about the world beyond banks. We need to find a way to let communities invest in order to change how we tackle development. To give them a real stake in their own future. Listening is key, as is providing the space for people to be heard. For Annie, impact investment needs to have a big umbrella and be deeply inclusive. She also understands playing the long game, saying that we know exactly what to do, but that we need to develop as a society, the collective will to invest in that knowledge. You can find out more about impact real estate investing and access the show notes for today's episode at my website, EvePicker.com. While you're there, sign up for my newsletter to find out more about how to make money in real estate while building better cities. Thank you so much for spending your time with me today and thank you any for sharing your thoughts. We'll talk again soon. But for now, this is Eve Picker, signing off to go make some change.

Brian once again proves he has the ability to read in our favorite bonus series BRIAN READS. Once again he's reading Edgar Allen Poe but this time it's For Annie. Send your Brian Reads suggestions to hmnpodcast@gmail.com and please keep in mind that we want these to be like ... 10 minutes or less... so keep them short. This podcast is powered by Pinecast.

Commercial work pays the bills. But as motion designers and creatives we have tons of our own ideas. Today’s guest has a huge portfolio of her own personal work and animated gifs. Not only is this a creative outlet for her, but it has also led to many great paying jobs. Annie Wong, aka Headexplodie, is the creator of some really awesome work. She creates short-form videos, GIFs, stop motion, and other fun content for the digital world. Her creations have landed her work with some pretty big brands, such as Vans, Facebook, and the Washington Post. She even has over 2 billion views on Giphy. She tells us how making animated gifs has lead her to lots of opportunities and funny stories but has also helped her to get client work. Make Money with Animated Gifs Annie has mastered the process of letting her creations become her resume. With a platform like Giphy, Annie makes sure that she includes her contact information so potential clients can find her. By creating short little projects that are easy to share, you’re putting your talent further out in the world. For Annie, this is a fun and easy way to advertise her craft.   Self Care as a Freelance Motion Designer is Important Creating the space you need for yourself and your personal work is a real challenge for freelancers. Annie knows the importance of setting this time aside for self-care. This isn’t always easy. Obviously, the more you work, the more you earn. But if you don’t take the time, you will pass up the opportunity to do what is actually truly important for yourself. In the end, self-care will allow you to create better work and serve yourself and your clients in a more present way. In this episode Using platforms like Giphy to find client work. How sharing your personal work can help you get noticed all over the world. The kinds of projects that are both personal and easily shared. Blending your client’s vision with your own personal style to create something that satisfies you both. The difficulty of setting time aside to make your own creations. Creating opportunities for self-care in a busy schedule. Using Patreon to diversify your income and create a deeper connection with your supporters. How to make money with animated gifs.   Quotes “If it’s an art form that you enjoy doing, just creating short loopable animations, it’s just a really convenient and easy way for people to find your work.” [3:31] “It’s kind of a weird paradox to create something that is personal but shareable. I tend to lean towards emotions or experiences that I think just kind of relate to being human.” [8:42] “I can’t necessarily satisfy my personal creativity through client work. A lot of times, they will blend because clients will come to me wanting my style.” [15:17] “When you’re hustling for work, it’s easy to forget what value you bring to the world. People need artists. People need your fun and colorful and weird ideas.” [36:35]   Links Find Annie Wong online Follow Annie on Instagram | Linkedin | Vimeo | Twitter Giphy The Artist’s Way by Julia Cameron The Untethered Soul by Michael A. Singer Perfect Day Exercise Patreon   Related Episodes How to turn your Motion Design skills into smart income with YouTube with Premiere Gal How to use social media to get more clients with Golden Wolf How to use YouTube to grow your motion design business with Ben Marriott   Thanks for Listening! To share your thoughts: Leave a note in the comment section below. Share this show on Twitter, Facebook, or Pinterest. To help out the show: Leave an honest review on iTunes. Your ratings and reviews really help. Subscribe on iTunes. Podcast music licensed by Big Waves sonosanctus.com dankoch.net Some of the links above are affiliate links. Basically, this means that if you decide to make a purchase through one of these links, we will earn a small commission, at no extra cost to you. You can be sure that we would recommend these products whether or not we made any commission on them. Please don’t spend your money on them if you don’t think that they will truly help you improve your business, although, in our experience, they will.

In the latest episode of the Loud & Live Sports Podcast, friends and Crossfit Games champs Annie Thorisdottir and Katrin Davidsdottir sit down with Matt O'keefe. They each held the title of the Fittest Woman on Earth for 2 years. Although they compete against each other in the sport, they see their relationship as competing alongside. For Annie and Katrin, "It's about succeeding together." Listen in on the unique relationship between these two fiercely strong competitors and how they share a vision for women in the future. Make sure you follow our podcast channels on Itunes, Spotify and Google Podcast.Video by @anthonytomphotography

In this episode of Angie's Cozy Corner, we read the love poem, For Annie by Edgar Allan Poe. I also talk about why I think it is about an affair....*surprise face*.

A typical Christian family, Susan and Rob raised their five children in the Evangelical Church. Then, two of their daughters, Annie and Hannah, came out causing Susan and Rob to rethink life, primarily their relationship with religion. When Annie was twenty, she called Susan; their conversation was lifechanging. Annie was struggling with a same sex attraction towards women. She had prayed about it, resisted it. Yet her feelings persisted. Despite feeling terrified of rejection, Annie came out to Susan. Touched that Annie shared the most intimate part of herself, Susan was grateful for their closeness and the gift of Annie’s truth. Yet, Susan was afraid. For Annie. Their family. She wondered “What now? What does this mean?” Susan shared Annie’s coming out with her friends and her bible study. Their reaction? “It’s a sin and you can’t accept it.” Shocked and disheartened by their reaction, Susan struggled to understand how a parent could reject their child in their moment of need. Susan and Rob withdrew from their church and moved to a new community. Never once did they consider withdrawing from Annie. Susan and Rob re-examined their relationship with religion, church, faith, and God. Susan began researching, reading everything she could find, watching videos, and relying on her faith. Not finding what she was looking for, she created the resources she needed. Because so many parents reject their LGBTQ children (primarily out of fear), Susan wrote, “Mom, I’m Gay.” “Love is the foundation. Always press into love.” Love of family and God paved the way for Susan and Rob to found their nonprofit, Freedhearts. They created community to unconditionally love and affirm, to connect individuals to loving and embracing community, and to share resources. Their greatest vision is that no one is left alone and unloved. What Brené Brown did for shame and vulnerability, Susan works to do for love and inclusion. Everyone deserves love and inclusion—simply because they are human. “My heart longs to set people free.” Two years after Annie came out, Susan’s daughter Hannah said, “I think I’m like Annie. I think I’m gay too.” “No, you can’t be,” was Susan’s first response. Thinking – in that moment – that if two of her children were gay, it was something Susan and Rob did. But they quickly realized that is not true, and they moved forward in continued love and inclusion. She says to parents who may be struggling after their child has come out, look for the love. Find the love in yourself. Love means to embrace, accept, and be with someone along the journey. Love will overpower the fear. Go have coffee with your child and talk about your lives, not their orientation or identity. That child coming out is facing more than we could imagine. LGBTQ children want their parents to know “It’s just me. I’m the person you cuddled when I was little, that you sang songs to. I’m that same person. I’m good-hearted, loving, and kind.” Susan’s strength throughout her journey is rooted in loving herself, her family, and God. We are all filled with love, beauty, and wisdom. Susan has laid aside judgment and instead discovered a depth of love, compassion, tenderness she didn’t know was possible. She sees and loves people as they are. Resources TedTalk: Susan shares choosing her daughter over the church Freedhearts PFLAG

Sometimes the journey to freedom from alcohol has a lot of peaks and valleys; curves and turns; and stops along the way. For Annie’s guest, Terrence, this journey began with what seemed to be an ‘incredible romance’ with alcohol that started in Napa, CA. But did the romance wear off? Listen in as Terrence shares his personal journey and find out what speed bumps, twists and unexpected detours he encountered along the way to living a naked life. Have you tried The Alcohol Experiment? Okay, if not, drop everything and go to thisnakedmind.com/experiment. This free 30-day challenge is designed to interrupt your patterns and put you back in touch with the best version of you. You remember, it was that version of you that’s living your most joyful life, the version that doesn’t need alcohol to relax or to have a good time, and is having more fun than ever. Again, this is a totally free challenge that will change everything for you. So learn more and join me 100% free at thisnakedmind.com/experiment. And as always, rate, review, and subscribe to this podcast, as it truly helps the message reach somebody who might need to hear it today.

Welcome to the final episode of Season 5! We have Annie Banannie today as a co-host with Zivi for this season finale. Today we talk about transportation, what are the recommended vehicles that kids entertainer use and their benefits. We also talked about balloon workshops and how to do it better using the tips from one of our courses. Last but not the least we discussed the hot topic of when to diversify or add a new service to your mix. All of this and more in this season finale, episode 115. Listen now! In this episode we discuss: In Your Voice: Show Transportation - question from Brettso the Great “Hello there! This is Brett Bolich aka Brettso the Great from Southern California. Thanks for answering my questions in regards to stage shows but I had a questions regards to transporting your show from venue to venue. Now I that a lot of you guys have vans, specifically the Nissan NV200 as well as the Ford Transit style vans and it was really popular, I currently have a Rav4 that I love but eventually I would love to upgrade to one of those because I’m getting to the point where I might have to carry more stuff in the near future. And I just want to get your thoughts on those style of vans, what to look out for, what to consider and maybe like a checklist of things that you would use say okay this is worth getting or just keeping your vehicle originally so anyway thanks again and talk to you guys soon!” Annie currently uses a Toyota Corolla but before that she used to ride a Prius. Before she had an accident she was carrying a lot of stuff in her car and after that she started thinking why she’s carrying too much stuff around. Now her rule is, “if it doesn’t fit the car it doesn’t go in her show”. Zivi on the other hand uses the Nissan NV200 where he can fit 1200 fully inflated modelling balloons. It’s branded so he can easily identify his car and for people to see it. Branding your vehicle is another form of advertisement for you business that you can take advantage of. We conducted a survey on Facebook to find out what people use for their business and here are the responses from our community. Check the episode bonus to see full discussion. Tips from the Vault: Tips on How To Do Workshops Better Tips on how to do workshops better: Outside vs Inside - we strongly recommend doing it Inside The importance of the extra show Why two hours is too much Two a day with a normal size car Square baskets - instead of round baskets to maximize the space For Adults - basically just teaching them how to teach balloons to kids Watch the video to see the tips on how to do better balloon workshops. Hot Topic: When to diversify and add a new service to your mix? For Annie, she just started diversifying with her shows without using balloons, this is because she wants to grow and pushes herself to do any type of show but she will still continue to be serving her customers as the balloon storyteller. If you’re going to diversify just make sure that you know where you are going to in terms of marketing efforts. One more decision filter on when is it a good time to diversify, which is related to foundation of anything we do which is our skills.  

Welcome to Episode 109 and today we have Annie Banannie back in our show. In this episode we talked about marketing your stage shows. Annie and Zivi also talked about another lesson from the GMD Formula which explains why moms book you. Plus, the hot topic - when is it a good time to reveal a magic trick. All this and more in th In this episode we discuss: In Your Voice: Marketing for Stage Shows Brettso the Great (Brett Bolich from Southern California, USA) asked: “Hello There, this is Brett Bolich aka Brettso the Great from Southern California. I had a question in regards to stage shows. Now, I’ve been personally reaching out to community theaters to try to put on my very own stage show, with some luck and most of them pretty much telling me that as much as they would love to have me they already have a theater season where they do broadway style plays or broadway style musicals and my question is to you guys, is there other avenues besides community theaters to reach out to, to do stage shows. Also if community theaters are a viable option, what would be a better way to approach them? My final question to this is, is what are some things or some pitfalls to avoid when actually getting your theater show running, you got the theater you’re getting the show, what are the things like contractually that you should look out for to make sure you’re not hurting yourself in the end? Thank you very much, talk to you guys soon and have a great rest of the podcast. Yeheyyy!” Zivi and Annie shared some important tips and here are some of the points: Anytime that you have in your market an event or a topic that everybody cares about that’s great. For example, the Read Across America theme, if you work in Libraries. Look at your market and if your market looks like it can support specific show like that then go for it because it’s gonna push you creatively. A lot of independently owned theaters exist and you can go to them without fear of the infamous committee. Local Schools sometimes got fancy theaters. Zivi and Annie also gave some advise with regard to contracts, the committee and colleagues. More discussion and tips when you listen to the episode. Tips from the Vault: Why Moms Book You The tip is taken from the Games, Magic and Disco Formula (GMD Formula) in Kids Entertainer Academy - Module 9 Lesson 2 Zivi and Annie discussed the reasons why you get booking from bookers and how you can make sure you book them right away. Hot Topic: When is it ok to share The Secret of a magic trick? For Annie, there’s two different sides to this question, sharing with performers and sharing with muggles. For Zivi, it troubles him where the boundaries are. There’s a lot of gray area but you have to have a great reason why you are sharing something.

For Annie, there's more to traveling than meets the eye.

For Annie, her grandmother’s sudden death at her grandfather’s wake would remain the most compelling story of her youth—a story her mother would retell at holiday gatherings so often because it drew folks in. Tonight’s story came from a text Annie sent a friend in the middle of the night after she realized that she couldn’t do what she promised she would. She credits her Forrest Yoga practice axiom: always speak your truth.