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Education should be and is a basic right for all children, but that's not necessarily true for refugee children here in Malaysia. They can't access government schools at any level, and are not always able to afford the fees of attending private schools. There's where refugee learning centres step in to do what they can to fill in the gaps. Dr Sharuna Verghis, co-founder of Health Equity Initiatives and Teacher Sam, Principal of the Kachin Refugee Learning Centre joins us to share the challenges that refugee learning centres face, and how education can change lives. Image Credit: Kachin Learning Centre/Facebook

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  Let's Talk about Physician Burnout... On this week's episode of the Lunch and Learn with Dr. Berry I sat down with Kessy Joseph, a fourth-year medical student from Ross University School of Medicine. To continue last week's discussion on physician burnout with Dr. Nicole we are going to get the perspective of a medical student on their perspective of the important discussion. Kessy has career plans to pursue Internal Medicine, studied Health Education at the University of Florida and her research interests include the cultural views affecting health outcomes/decisions and food access in diabetes management. Kessy also discusses that in her free time she enjoys the sport of boxing and cooking. Text LUNCHLEARNPOD to 44222 to join the mailing list. Remember to subscribe to the podcast and share the episode with a friend or family member. 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Introduction Dr. Berry: And welcome to another episode of the Lunch and Learn with Dr. Berry. I'm your host, Dr. Berry Pierre, your favorite Board Certified Internist. Founder of drberrypierre.com as well as a CEO of Pierre Medical Consulting. Helping you empower yourself for better health with the number one podcast for patient advocacy, education and affirmation. This week we bring you a guest medical student. She's actually our second medical student on the podcast who talk about physician burnout. Maybe you've not had a chance, please check out last week episode with Dr. Nicole Washington, Board Certified Psychiatrist who really breaks down the foundation of what Physician Burnout is. She helps explain that it isn't something that just happened within the past year, even though the news may make it seem that way and we really lay out the groundwork of what these next series of episodes is going to be like here on the Lunch and Learn with Dr. Berry. So we are going to have a chance to talk with not only other physicians, but we're talking to resident physicians, those who just got out of medical school but aren't official attending status yet. And now we're even going to be talking to medical students because we realized after our discussion with the physician burnout that this isn't something that happens right when we're done at a residency. No, like we're getting hit over the head very early. As early as in our medical school days. So we have Ms. Joseph here who's in fourth year medical student. She’s at a Ross School Medicine and she's going to give her encounter on what physician burnout means to her. She's going to talk about some of the instance that she faced personally, how she was able to get over it. So I'm very excited for you guys to get ready for another amazing episode and listen to her words. Again, whether you're a medical student, physician or whether you're a patient. And again, you're not going to be a doctor. Understand, and I talked about this last week, that if you don't think physician brand now affects you because you're not a physician, you are going to be sadly mistaken. Because physicians who are burning out aren't just quitting on a spot. No, they're working for a years on in within a depressed state, in the least effective state that they can be. And they're having to take care of your relatives and you don't want that to occur. So you want to know if your physician's experiencing some signs of burnout. That way they can make sure that they're taking care of you correctly. So like always, if you have not had a chance to make sure to subscribe to the podcast, leave us a five star review. Whether you're on Apple podcast, Castbox, Google play. I think Stitcher lets you do comments as well. So wherever you can leave comments and if for some reason a podcast app you listen to a podcast doesn't allow you to leave a comment, go ahead and come to the website LunchandLearnpod.com and leave a comment there. Just let us know how we're doing on the podcast. Remember to rate five stars and let's get ready for another amazing episode here on Lunch and Learn with Dr. Berry. Episode Dr. Berry: Alright Lunch and Learn community just heard another amazing introduction. And this is a topic and again, if you caught last week's episode with Dr. Nicole, we are going to be starting a series of a serious topic, especially for not only you guys, the patients, the one who gets taken care of. Because this is really affecting the people who got to take care of you, which we kind of alluded last week. Again when we talk about Physician Burnout, it's not something that the physicians feel it and then they just go away. No, they still keep taking care of people, which means taking care of you, taking care of your mom, taking care of grandma. But with the energy that we got from last week's episode, I excited to expand it and really talk to all different kinds of stages of the physician. And this week we have a guest who's a medical student. And it's so funny because again it wasn't too long ago that I was a medical student but I was surprised just by talking with Dr. Nicole the fact that now we have medical students are starting to feel that pinch, starting to feel that burned and those symptoms that really is a problem. Because if they're feeling it early what happens? I mean they want to quit early. So again Kessy thank you for joining today's podcast here on the Lunch and Learn community. Kessy Joseph: Yes, thank you Dr. Berry for having me. I'm really excited to be here. Dr. Berry: So I gave them a little bit introduction of your bio in the beginning portion. But tell them, just to listeners, because I got listeners who love to skip, go right into the main talking points where I tell them something about yourself they should know by now. Your motivation, even let's say you are regular now. Why are you going to medical school? All that good stuff there. Because I think that really ties home the fact when we talk about Physician Burnout. Kessy Joseph: So essentially just give a little of my background. I'm Canadian born, patient breed, Florida raised. There was a lot of different influences that happened throughout my life, but the most prevalent influence was definitely medicine because of my family background and just like the people I was raised around. But I didn't really want to go to med school until I hit about grad school. That's where I really started working in the whole clinics and seeing all the different populations and the management of different chronic diseases and I really piqued my interest and I was like, whoa, I think I want to be a doctor. I want to be the person that they come to help with their health conditions because I feel like once they start getting referred to like diabetes educator or the nutritionist, they is kind of get lost in the system. They don't really follow through, so why can't I be that person that can do all of that for them? As long as their primary care physician. Dr. Berry: I always ask my doctor friends, but especially medical students, if it wasn't medical school, what would you be doing? Because me, I always tell people my plan B, I probably would did something like on a computer side and you know, some engineer, something. It would just, it was either physician or I'm going in this direction here. Would you have still stayed in the health realm or what was the..? Kessy Joseph: I was thinking, at that time I was really into the whole health education behavior, like diet, nutrition, like community health realm. So that's really what I was interested in. But at the same time I also want to go to culinary school at the same time. So I don't know where I would've been right now. Dr. Berry: Okay, cool. I like that. Okay. We had Dr. Lauren on here who's culinary physician as well too. So I love that aspect of it. As I stress especially for physicians, I think a lot of times when we go in this route, sometimes we forget about our second and third passion because we think we can only focus on physicians. So definitely we want to make sure we still encourage, especially if you still like culinary and food and stuff like that, that we still go in that direction. Kessy Joseph: Right. For sure. I definitely agree. We'll get into it later, but that's definitely something I use for my therapy. Dr. Berry: I love it. Okay. Alright. So let's talk about it. Because I think when we speaking with Dr. Nicole last week, she talked about the aspect of the fact that medical students are facing a lot of stresses. And again, I'm act like I didn't, it's about eight years now. So it's been eight years since I've been in medical school. And I knew there were some stresses there. But let's talk about some of the common stresses that typical medical students are facing these days. Kessy Joseph: I would say there's definitely different stressors depending on the type of medical student you are. For me particularly, I'm considered an international medical student because I went to Ross University. So there are some stressors that aren't as prevalent as in the U S med students. But I think it still can be understood and related to. For everyone, I definitely think one of the main stressors is workload for sure. We have to commit so much time and energy this making sure we have this large breadth of knowledge. And then not only that, a lot of this knowledge is put on us on our own. We have to teach it to ourselves so that can result a lot of sleepless nights. A lot of… Dr. Berry: I remember those, we used to camp out in the library for hours. Even when I think about it now, I'm like, wow, I used to really stay in a library for like 12, 14 hours. Kessy Joseph: I just remember sleep, staying up all night before an exam the next morning. It's rough. It's definitely rough. And then is this like the succession of exams that we have every two weeks, every month, it's like never ending. And not only that, the step one and then the shelf exams and then the step two, step 2 CK, step 2 CS, it's like it never ends. Dr. Berry: And you talked about it because especially, I got a lot of friends who went to international medical school, especially Ross as well. What are some of that extra that being an international medical student, it weighs on you as well? Kessy Joseph: Wow, there's so many. Firsthand, just the fact that we had to go to school in a different country. We had to relocate our entire life to a country that's not as industrialized as the United States. So we had to pretty much adapt to sometimes not having access to water or electricity for a couple of days. Dr. Berry: Wow. Okay. Alright. That's definitely a stressor. Kessy Joseph: Yeah. And then also it's in the Eastern Caribbean. So hurricane season, definitely a tough one for us to the point where in 2017 our entire school was relocated to another island because it was damaged to that extent. So that's just some of the stresses. Is this the fact that after we do leave the island for clinical rotations we have to relocate from state to state, go into different hospitals just to complete all of our clinical requirements. Dr. Berry: Very interesting. I'm definitely glad you touched on it because I especially I love that the Lunch and Learn community understand that when your physician is standing in front of you, most times they have went through a lot of trials and tribulations just to get there. So we really need to, and again, I think sometimes of course I think I'm biased, right? I think sometimes the physicians don't get the amount of respect and credibility that they deserve. Because I don't think a lot of people, and it could be partly our fault because a lot of times we don't really tell our story. But I don't think a lot of people understand like, hey, during school I went out without water. That's a story that if my physician tells me that I'm definitely gonna make sure I listen to exactly what they're saying because clearly they did what they needed to do to get here. Definitely, thank you for that aspect there. Now let me ask you, before you started, I know when you made that transition, I want to go to medical school and before you actually got there, were some of the stressors expected where they're any new ones that you're like, oh I didn't realize it was going to be like this significant. Was there something that threw you for a loop? Kessy Joseph: Well, I definitely knew about the whole workload. I went to grad school. I knew a little bit about that already. But I was expecting having to be up all night studying this, studying that. So that was okay. But ' Very hard to the point where you let yourself go. You stop caring about your personal grooming. You don't eat. I just remember being on the Island, I lost probably like 20 pounds because I just didn't care. I'll just see you whenever I can. Dr. Berry: And again, Lunch and Learn community I'm telling you this is not a unique story. Because again, we're really not exaggerating. You’re spending majority of, if you're not sleeping, the majority of the day is spent studying something. So when you think about those extra maybe an hour or two or three that you have outside to not be studying or not be sleeping. Social life really doesn't shoot up to the top because lifestyle happens, family. So there's a lot of things I still got to occur. Again, I'm nodding my head because I'm like, yap, she is hitting it right on the head. Kessy Joseph: Yeah. I missed so many weddings, so many birthday parties, so many events. And it's hard because people just don't understand when you tell them, Oh I can't make it because school are like what? You weren't at University of Florida, you can make things, why can't you make things now? I don't understand. Dr. Berry: It’s a different type of pressure. And what was funny is, especially when you're talking to other physicians, you definitely don't even have to explain us. If I'm talking to another physician, they're like, yeah, I can't do it. Okay. Alright. I understand. Usually the people on the outside who don't really have the insight in, for them it is perplexing. You don't have time. Yes, I actually don't have time. I'm being dead honest with you. Kessy Joseph: Right. To the point where they think you're just lying. No, I would love to be there. Dr. Berry: I wish I could be there. Dr. Nicole says something about that last week where we sometimes even demonize our medical students sometimes when they ask for like, hey, is it okay if I get off early? Is it okay if I take off to go? There are attendings out there, my colleagues and I get on them all the time for it who are like demonized students for wanting life to still be happening while they're a medical student. Because again, it's one of those, oh, when I was your age, I had a walk in the snow backwards. BS, do you think that that school prepared you to face some of the stressors that you did ultimately face? Kessy Joseph: Not at all. They have their little lectures where there's this like, Oh, you know, if you ever need help or you're ever feeling any mental, like mental instability, we have resources for you. The whole spill. I feel like it's more to cover them. They never really tell you how to prophylactically prevent burnout from happening or what to do to make sure this burnout doesn't happen. Or is this like, oh, once you reached the edge of the cliff and you feel like you're about to fall off, reach us, contact us, we're here for you. So I feel like that's a little too late. Dr. Berry: Yes. And it's so interesting because your story isn't unique. I wish we could say it too. Even unfortunately, again, I'm in graduate medical education and we have these same things or like, yeah, we've got wellness programs and we offer this, we offer that. But again, I sometimes feel like it's window dressing as well. We're offering it so someone can't say we didn't offer it more than the active approach. Actively making sure our students' wellness and wellbeing and mental health and self-care. We don't do any of that. And especially when I was in school we have to do it. There was like a month break and then after that we did a test every single week. It was midterm, final, midterm, final. Every single week, which is crazy when I look back at it. It's crazy that that's the system that medical school has really enacted and unfortunately I think it's a big reason why the trickledown effect is starting to occur. Because when I talk about burnout, when we talk about burnout just in general, I used to be naive. I used to think it was something that only happened to, you know, docs who've been around for 10, 20, 30 years. But as I got out and realized this was happening much sooner, much more of my friends, I'm like, okay, this is weird. Why are they starting to experiencing things and now we can see where some of the groundwork is being laid. And now the medical students, y'all can't even get out of school before it starts hitting y'all over the head. Knowing all that, how do you typically deal with just stress in general? Because I know medical school stresses a heap, but just stress in general. Kessy Joseph: I think really what helps me personally is because of my background in health education and behavior. So I do understand the different facets of overall health. The social, the mental, the physical. You have to make sure every single corner is pretty much covered. And for me, I just like to do things that make me happy. So I enjoy cooking. I enjoy baking. But right now I try to stay away from that because I usually results negatively for me as in weight gain. So I change it to a little bit of exercise. I started boxing. It's really fun. (Oh wow. Okay. But what got you into boxing?) I actually always wanted to box since I was a teenager because my dad would always watch boxing and I thought it was a really cool. I see boxing as an art. You gotta be really skillful and it's really cool sport in my opinion. And I'm also really into gardening. I think watching something grow from nothing is the most beautiful thing. So this producing fruits and vegetables from this water and sun and soil is so relaxing. It's like making I guess your own little children. And I'm always so happy with the products that I produce. So it definitely makes me happy. And then just traveling and exploring and doing outdoor activities, being involved in my community. So this really getting myself outdoors and involved in things outside of medicine because I feel like people in the medicine field always are focusing on medicine and sometimes you just need to step away from that and clear your mind and see other things. It's not always medicine. There's other things in the world. Dr. Berry: I love that you said that because I think it is definitely something that I know a few of my colleagues really have problems with getting away from medicine. Because Lunch and Learn community I just alluded earlier, medicine is busy enough that you can't really consume a lot of your life if you let it. So I'm definitely glad that you're able to experience some of those outlets. And is that something that you had to learn to expose yourself outside of medicine? Was there something that you tried to incorporate even in your early stages of being a medical student? Kessy Joseph: I think this was subconsciously instilled in me by my mother because she always used to say like, don't stress yourself out because you know what, if something were to happen to you today, they'll find someone else to replace you. Dr. Berry: That's so true. The reason why it hit me is because I remember vividly, when I became an attending and there was a doc out of that hospital, he had been there for maybe like 10, 20 years. And he passed away. And I remember he got two emails, like literally just two emails, one email say, Hey, this person passed away. And another to say, hey, this is where the funeral was at. And that was it. You didn't hear anything about, and this is a doc who really put his time and effort to that hospital. And I remember just two emails was all that he got. Didn’t get a party. Didn't get anything. So it's so true that if you don't expose yourself outside of medicine, because of the way the system is, they'll just plug someone in behind you and act like you didn't put in all of the amount of amazing effort that you did. Kessy Joseph: Exactly. So that's why I always feel you've got to put yourself first before you can put any patient first. (I love it). You are just as important as this patient. If you're not functioning at your prime, at your 100%, you can't serve your community. It's important for you to just realize that. Dr. Berry: Very great point. Especially because I think sometimes we as a physician, we get in trouble because we think that, at the patient, yes, Lunch and Learn community, the patients, we understand that. But if the person who's trying to take care of you, isn't that their best? They can't effectively do it. So you have to take care of yourself for it. Just like when you're in an airplane and they tell you, you gotta put your own oxygen mask on first. It's the same premise. If you yourself isn't taking care of, to the ability you need to be taken care of, how do you expect to take care of others and in the most efficient way? When you, especially as a medical student, when you hear the term physician burnout, as a medical student, how do feel about that? How do you feel especially because nowadays where I think has become such a popular term for some reason now and a lot of people, more people are bringing it up. A lot more articles are being published. When you hear the term physician burnout and you're about to walk and especially because it's not like you're on the outside looking in. You're on the inside. You are medical student, graduated, about to become one of physicians and you hear this term burnout. What does some of the thoughts that go through you? Kessy Joseph: I mainly think of it as this physician can no longer perform at their best abilities and this results in them jeopardizing the patient care. So essentially this physician no longer cares about what they're doing and there just there to be present because it's compulsory. So it was just like I'm here because I have to be here, but my mind's not physically here and I have no desire being here. Dr. Berry: And as a medical student, was there especially because when you talked about some of the stressors and you definitely had a lot of stressors to deal with as a medical student. Was there ever any times that you felt that you were at that point? Kessy Joseph: Almost definitely. Dr. Berry: Felt like, oh, is this hitting me too? Kessy Joseph: I was hit real hard during surgery. My surgery rotation, for those of you who don't know, surgery rotation surgeons in general is a very tough field. They wake up at ridiculous hours and they leave the hospital at ridiculous hours. They basically live at the hospital. I just remember it was the middle of my surgery rotation. I just moved to New York. So already that's a stressor in itself because New York is a crazy city and I was waking up at 3:30 AM every morning to get to the hospital at five and I would be in the OR all day just standing there, because medical students don't really do much in the OR. So just imagine standing in the OR for hours and hours and hours and then I wouldn't get to leave to go home until six to 8:00 PM. So I get home at eight to nine. So do the math. If I get home at nine and I have to wake up at 3:30 I typically would what like go to bed at like 10-ish. So I would get like four or five hours of sleep every day. So that went on for three weeks straight. And most days I didn't eat. I remember one time I stopped to think about something and I realized, oh my gosh, I haven't eaten an actual meal in 36 hours. (Wow). That's insane. I'm literally running on a banana and Graham crackers from the patient pantry room. What is this? This is not okay. So that went off for three weeks straight and then right from there I went into an emergency medicine rotation and those shifts are 12 hours long. Four consecutive nights or days. And after my first week in the ED of four consecutive 12 hour shifts, I was done. I started feeling like I had no motivation. I had no interest of going to the hospital. I just couldn't. I was rethinking the whole medicine thing. Dr. Berry: Right then and there. Yeah. Lunch and Learn community, the two specialists that you just named are two of the specialties that suffer a lot from burnout. So again, she was a medical student. She wasn't even, it's like, so just to understand just how deep and pervasive that the feeling and association is. Kessy Joseph: It's rough. Very rough. And I just remember telling myself, whoa, what am I? No, I can't do this. I cannot do this. I literally wrote an email to the coordinator and said, I'm taking a week off. I can't do this. My mental health, I can't see myself going back next week and continuing to do this or I'm just gonna like slowly degrade and crumble into pieces. So I took a week off for myself, for my mental health. Dr. Berry: Now how was it? I guess the question is what was the initial response from your email? Kessy Joseph: She was actually very supportive because I have a good relationship with her. And also my school recently at that time was this launching a new initiative for mental health. So I guess it worked in my favor as well. So she was accepting. She's like, okay, that's fine. No worries. I'm happy you're actually taking the initiative to take care of yourself, your mental health, and I'll let the attendings know that you would like to change your schedule around and it was fine. Dr. Berry: What I love about that is she recognized that you are human. And I think that sometimes gets lost in the training of our medical professional that we're humans who are stepping into a field. And I tell everyone who listened to me that we want in a few fields that we're required to be correct 100% of the time because if we're only correct 99% of the time, that could mean your grandma does not come home. That could mean your dad does not come home. So when you're dealing with that level of pressure on a day to day basis and it's not being recognized that you're dealing with that much pressure on a day to day basis, you can definitely will. So I definitely give props to, it was an advisor? Who that was? (The coordinator). Coordinator, yeah so definitely props to who recognize like, hey, what we need to recognize like, yes, the mental health is going to be important if we want her to actually succeed. So definitely shout out to her for sure. And then during that week, what did you do? Was it just like you just disconnected or what was the? Kessy Joseph: So I had a ball. So I called, I had my boyfriend come down in New York. We traveled to Canada. Went to go see my family. We went to the zoo. We went to museums. We went out to restaurants. It was great. Like I just decompressed, enjoyed life basically. It was nice. It was definitely like me hitting the reset button and it was definitely needed. Dr. Berry: I love it. When you came back and the button was reset, were you completely like, I'm ready to go now. Was still some lingering effects? What was that feeling back that first day? Kessy Joseph: It was weird. I actually felt like I wanted to do medicine. Like, yeah, okay, I'm ready. Let's go. Let's start at least seeing these patients. I'm happy to be here. Let's save some lives. That's the attitude I had. It was great. I was really excited to be there versus a week ago where I didn't even want to get out of my bed and go. Dr. Berry: That’s amazing. Amazing to hear because again and that's what we want. That's the scenario that we want to see when our colleagues. Because again this is something that I have to tell my attending colleagues all the time like, hey, you didn't realize this is going gonna be a colleague and like a couple of years. Sometimes I think we get so hierarchy and the way we look at medicine is that we don't recognize like, hey buddy, you are actually a medical student. Whatever years ago you were like there's no way you could become a doctor without becoming a model student. So understanding like yes, this person needs to breed. This person needs to relax. They need to be able to have some mental clarity. It's definitely an important so definitely love the fact that you were able to reset. One, you're able to recognize you needed to reset. And then the opportunity was there and it was given to you. So definitely thankful for that aspect of it. Kessy Joseph: I'm just very lucky the fact I had the support system and the faculty that actually supports us taking care of our mental health. Because I feel like if I had attendings who were like, Oh, suck it up, just keep coming. No, you can't have a day off. Then you do realize most medical students won't finish medical school. So you have to be supportive. You have to show that you care about our sanity essentially. So you want us to become these great physicians, so you have to support us in taking care of ourselves to be great physicians. So I'm happy that I have attendings like that, but I know everyone's not as fortunate. Dr. Berry: Now a question that was post by Dr. Nicole was the aspect of the burnout we're experiencing. Is it a rite of passage? Is it a form of abuse? What's actually happening on such a level that when you tell your story from Ross University, I can relate your story from Nova, Southeastern University. From a systemic standpoint, why do you think so many students are really just experiencing these signs of burnout? Kessy Joseph: I feel it's difficult to say because I know for some students, they do get the whole abuse aspect of being in medical school while they're in clinical rotations where attendings are like pimping them from left to right, degrading them saying, oh really? That's the answer you're giving me. You're wrong. Go look it up. Blah, blah, blah. But personally, I've never experienced that. But I would say systemically it's really the fact that a lot of people who do go to medical school or kind of type A perfectionist. So whenever we do make a little mistake or whenever we do forget a fact or not know something, we beat ourselves up and forget that this is a learning process. We can't know everything. We were expected to make mistakes. So we can't just keep degrading ourselves and not being confidence within ourselves while we're on this journey to becoming a physician. And I think that's really one factor in this whole process of physician burnout. Dr. Berry: That's so huge and so key because it may hit it right on head the fact that a lot of us are such perfectionists. I always equate it to when like athletes go to college sports and in their homes, in their home towns, they were the man. They were that elite person. And then you get, go to college and then you're in a room full of other elite people. And you realize like, wow, my eliteness isn't as elite as I thought it was. And again, sometimes you get a reality check. You get that bad grade on that physics exam. You get bad grade on anatomy physics. You started getting Bio-Chem and all these things are happening. And you're like, your armor that you've been able to build up because you've been the elite of the lead as an undergrad, medical students just begins to get chipped away. And a lot of us have not been prepared to deal with that. We just have not been prepared to deal with the strife that comes with not being a hundred percent perfect. So I definitely think that's, I mean that's really hitting right on the head. Why I think some of them are medical students are really starting to feel some of that burn. Again, and it does worry me because especially, I know you're a medical student, but I can tell you as a resident you're going to feel different levels of pressure. As an attending, you're gonna feel different levels of pressure and stresses. So I'm glad that you had that opportunity that I kind of face a little bit in, in your medical student career, in NOLA. Hey, these are ways that I can work my way through it because unfortunately, and I'll let the cat out the bag. You're going to experience more. You're gonna experience not to say it, it's going to be worse. It's just going to be different. So having the tools to cope with it now are extremely important. So that definitely, I think you're doing an amazing job. Like I said, it's one of those things where sometimes you do have to go through it to see yourself on the other side and you already done that. But if you had look back, especially you're a spokesman now. You're at in your last year and you're looking to get out, what tips would you give to help students behind you either avoid if they can or I say deal with, I probably mean the better manage the medical students burnout? Kessy Joseph: I think as a medical student you need to manage your time and prioritize your time. Yes, you can take all the hours in the day to study. But trust me, those two hours that you decide not to study and do something else for yourself won't change your grade. You won't learn any much more. Dr. Berry: Yes. Talk about it. Lunch and Learn community I know it sounds like crazy, but trust me, I've got colleagues right now who are attendings right now who never could learn that concept. They felt that if they weren't studying to the last second to the last T they were going to miss the one question I was going to make them pass or fail the exam. Because that's just the thought process that was there. So again, even though we say like it's real real how some of the medical students feel. Kessy Joseph: I have yet to this point studied at the last minute and actually been questioned on any materials that I read the last 24 hours. It's only things that you know from months and months and months of studying that you're assessed on. So that I just really think people need to prioritize their time and also learn yourself. Learn when you're starting to not be yourself anymore. If you're always, if you're typically known as the happy go lucky, like really friendly person, always wanting to go to work, always wanting to see the first patient of the day and then all of a sudden you realize, oh, it's hard to get out of bed. You just want to sit in the clinic, not see any patients. There's something wrong with you. You're not yourself. Maybe you need to step back and take some time for yourself and reassess everything. See what can change in your daily routine to make you feel better essentially. So that for sure is how to just to manage the burnout. And avoiding the burnout, I don't know any prophylactic measures you can take, but maybe integrate some exerciser activity or hobby you can do every week or spend some time with friends or family every week. Don't isolate yourself. I feel a lot of medical students isolate themselves. They just go to the hospital and then go home, sleep, go to the hospital, go home, sleep. Forget, they don't do laundry. They don't cook. They don't take care of themselves. Try to do something for yourself. I think it's important. Try to still humanize yourself. Dr. Berry: I love it. Before I let you go, I always ask my guests, especially because you're doctor now, right? You're my colleague. How can what you do really help empower others really just really take better control of their health. Right? Especially us the medical students, who really need to hear your work. Kessy Joseph: Wow, that's a good question. I've never really thought of how I can empower others, but I just think my words, seeking support and help from other people that's been through what you're going through. Really that's pretty much it. Find people you can relate to. Dr. Berry: Amazing. And where can others find you? This is actually a nice little side question. Because I think in this day and age where social media is extremely prevalent, this is just from a general social aspect. Because we talked about making sure we don't disconnect from people. As a medical student, understand that you're about to be a, you're a physician in a few months and understanding that your words, even though it may not seem like it now or are extremely powerful and people are going to want to hear or see or reads this kind of stuff that you do or follow. Are you on social media? And when I say on social media especially, I mean in your moniker of as a medical student about to be a physician. Kessy Joseph: Not necessarily, but I do. I mean if you want to see how I live life to be my stressors, I am on Instagram. Look at my great traveling pictures and all that great stuff. Dr. Berry: What's your Instagram so we can follow you, what’s the Instagram? Kessy Joseph: Its la.kay.jo Dr. Berry: Okay. Alright. Lunch and Learn community that will be in the show notes that you can follow the soon to be Dr. Joseph. And again, I joke because I always talk about as, I remember when I was doing my blogging as a medical student, social media wasn't really the thing that people did. So it was always very weird because I've been calling myself Dr. Berry Pierre since a medical student because I was like oh that's a foregone conclusion. So sure. So I had already skipped the student doctor moniker because I didn't need that attached to me anyways. One because I didn't want to have to switch all my stuff out when it came around to it. But I was always talking about health and always and people follow me for again almost like eight to 10 years now under that moniker. So I always encourage my medical students to get out there and show yourself and let people know who you are because especially in this day and age where as a physician, you need to do things that help you stand out amongst the crowd. Because I always encourage all my medical students get a social media page, obviously one that you liked, right? If you like Facebook, get your Facebook. If you like Instagram, get your Instagram. If you like Twitter, whatever you like and understand that you're about to, you're a role model now as a medical student. Because I'm pretty sure you already getting those medical questions like, hey, how you do this. So I've already shared the questions already happened. It's like I say you might as well just go ahead and establish yourself and establish who you are as a brand as well. Kessy Joseph: You have a good point. And it's interesting because to be honest, as a medical student, I really haven't done as much social media because of time. There's really, I don't like to use my free time on the computer or on social media because I rather experience the outdoors. Dr. Berry: But take the picture of outdoors so we can see what you're doing. I want to see the cooking. I want to see where you traveling. I want to see all of that. Kessy Joseph: Okay. I'm gonna take your advice because I have more free time now. I think I'm gonna rev up my social media footprints. Is that what we call it? Dr. Berry: Oh yes it is. Yes it is. So again, first of all, I want to thank you. You are actually my second medical student on the podcast. So definitely shout out to you, especially because the journey that you're about to commence, because in fact we got time now, let's because you're in the process of the match, right? Let's give people a little inside look of what it means to go from medical student to resident. How are you, as far as that's concerned, where are you at? Just so people can know that they look out for you whenever that time comes around. Kessy Joseph: Alright. So my primary specialty of choice for this upcoming match is internal medicine. Dr. Berry: Yes. Ladies and gentlemen obviously I'm biased, right? Because I'm internist as well too. So I love when the medical students want to be an internist. Kessy Joseph: And obviously, like I said, I'm South Florida race so I'm looking to go back home. (Perfect). Really, moving forward I really want to focus on like conducting and doing research on community health and especially focusing on certain populations, different cultural beliefs and how that affects their health outcomes. That's definitely some of my career interests, but I'm all about primary care and that's the goal for me. And hopefully this upcoming match season goes in my favor. Dr. Berry: Especially as a Program Director, I know you've plan on applying towards Ontario region. Again, we would definitely love to see you there. So again, we're putting those positive affirmations out there and again, I always tell even if you don't want Wellington, at least as long as you match and get to where you get to. I'm happy because again, I love the journey of the medical student. I love the journey as a physician in general and I wish more people knew about the journey and knew what the journey took. Because I think it would really give people a lot more appreciation of just how hard it is to become a doctor. Kessy Joseph: It is hard. Very hard. Dr. Berry: So again, Lunch and Learn community again, we want to thank MS4, soon to be Dr. Joseph for blessing us, really with educating us on what the burnout process is for a medical student. We appreciate your kind words. We're sending nothing but prayers and wishes on your journey up in this up and coming match and make sure you lane at the destination that God puts you in. Kessy Joseph: Wow. Thank you Dr. Berry. Thank you so much for having me. Thank you so much for your kind words and your blessings and everything and positive energy. I love it. I thoroughly enjoyed speaking to you and being on your show. I hope to see you again. (Yes). Possibly. (Yes. Alright). It was definitely a pleasure.

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You know, my story is probably you probably don't have enough time on your podcast to hear the long boring parts. Trust me, nobody wants to hear all that anyway. So now listen, you know, I think you're going to find this maybe to be kind of weird, and your guests might find this to be a little bit weird, but Had the the advantage of growing up on the on the border of poor. And you people look at that and go an advantage. And then listen, I don't mean we went hungry or anything like that, but man, there were no extras. And and so that inspired me. I still remember being 10 years old and asking my parents for something and then telling me you wish don't have the money for that. And I don't even remember what it was Donnie, but I remember deciding, well, you know what I want it. So I'm going to figure out how to how to make the money to buy it. And that was sort of that was sort of the start of my ambitious journey, I guess. And I, you know, out of out of five kids, I think I was the only one with an entrepreneurial gene. And I guess some people are just wired differently. But I mean, you know, my sort of entrepreneurial journey started. I spent six months selling new Oldsmobile. That was an interesting business. And frankly, I really didn't like car business a whole lot, mostly because it didn't really fit my core. And I think when something just doesn't fit, kind of your core values, personality, whatever, you're just not going to be as successful as as you could otherwise be. Nothing listeners at all. So long time ago was 1986 when I was in the car business, but one thing that I did like about it was I in that business, I started earning four or five times the money that I was used to earning. And I said, Man, I don't like the car business, but I could get used to making this kind of money. And so the car business led to my really kind of first chance I had to be in charge Myself, which is four years selling residential real estate. And then that led to a 17 year career in frankly, what I thought would be my career portal, which was in financial services, love that business. But I found that I would see both clients I work with, and reps I hired and trained sabotage themselves and their financial success. And the more I saw it, the more bothered me and it but it was kind of the impetus that led to me studying the psychology of what I call the psychology of human action in action. You know, what in the world makes people do the things they do, or not do the things that they don't do. And I learned a lot about what, what really are the drivers for people, and it helped me a lot personally. And so I ended up writing my first book, and after 17 years in that in History, I decided I was going to start my own company strictly to do personal achievement training. And wrote the book, it was sort of a has a basics of what that was all about. It's called discovering your greatness. subtitle, the higher level thinking and action guide. And, interestingly enough, a couple years into running a new company, we're doing okay. But okay, wasn't what I had in mind. And I thought, you know, we need some better ideas here. And I really started studying about creative thinking and innovative thinking. And what I discovered was teaching people how to do that. Help them get a better image of themselves. And when you're thinking better about yourself, and especially if you can have some During that process, it's just a whole different world. And so most of the work that we do now with spearpoint solutions, is really involved with innovative thinking, training on that. I do do some consulting with companies to develop strategies, you're using those principles that I teach. Because I find sometimes, you know, I talk to CEOs or managers and they go, you know, you're pretty good at this stuff. Why don't you just help us develop some strategies and instead of training our people, so either way, it's good with me, and it's kind of a long and winding road to get where I am now, but I you know, what I found there's almost nobody. Now almost no successful person that I've ever met, had a straight pathway and Okay, well, what's your experience been with that? No, it's the same brother. It's the same. Yeah, I'm really fascinated with this whole idea of these kids. Right, you know, because that wasn't me, right? That wasn't my story. That wasn't my journey. I, I didn't think about starting a business until I was 40. You know, I tell everybody, I'm a late bloomer. You know, so I'm really, you know, this whole idea that that you're born an entrepreneur really, really floors me kind of a bit because I don't fully wrap my head around how you got to that space. Do you think it's mean? I mean, I know you said it was because you were 10 years old. Right. And that, you know, there was something that you wanted to buy, you couldn't buy, you know, but how does that translate to years of creation? years ago? Well, yeah, go ahead. Yeah, no, that's a good question. And I don't know that I was necessarily born an entrepreneur. Exactly. But I think some people are common one. wired to be ambitious. And some people just are okay with just being okay. And there's nothing wrong with either, you know, whatever fits you and your lifestyle and your goals. I think what, that's fine, right? I make no judgments. I just know that, you know, for for somebody like me to aspire to average it's just not in my DNA. I love that phrase. Here's why I'm catching a lot of buzz because of something I say on stage. But I mean, you pretty much just said it. It's really just this quote, you either get okay being okay. Or you get in the game, otherwise Shut the hell up. Because because there's a lot of people that keep telling the world I'm going to be great. I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna blah blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But in truth, they're not Taking the action to do the things they need to do, to level up, scale up and go for it. So I, I wish people would, you know, stop taking on the world telling them how awesome they would be and truly just start enjoying the life that they have, versus making themselves feel miserable, because they're not doing the things they thought they should. That makes sense. Well, it does. And two thoughts come to mind as you're saying that I heard a long time ago, a phrase that stuck with me, says, When all is said and done, there's usually more said than done. True. Right. And look, talk is cheap brother. Nope. It's easy to do. It's way easier to do than taking action and getting your nose bloodied. Right, and tripping and falling, that it's much easier. So anybody can talk a good game. Yep. Right. But it's it, but it's people who it's the doers of the world. You know, I talked about a lot about developing better ideas. And I think that's a key critical component. Right? Because a bad ideas even perfectly executed is still a bad idea. Yes, but but, you know, I think you ought to start with with better ideas and better strategies. But having said that, the greatest strategies with the most perfect plan, not executed don't add any value to anybody. So you know, so you've got to have, you know, if I could make an analogy, in physics, you've got theoretical physicists and experimental physicist, and they're both necessary to move That field forward. So, so but the the theoretical, the theories of the theoretical physicists are only proven by the experimental businesses, right. But the experimental physicists are maybe not the best theoretical physicist. So it's sort of like the symbiosis between a songwriter and a gifted performer. A this is a this is a bit of trivia here. You know, Elvis Presley had I think 38 number one songs, or 38, top 10 songs. It was a bunch, right. Okay. And and how many of those did he write or co write? Man I don't and to have an answer that but but since you're asking I'm going to say zero It is zero. Now, you can become world famous as a performer. Right? And you don't have to be able to write songs. But the flip side of that is, you can write great songs and other people perform them. And you can be great that way too. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I mean, the way I look at as a at creating winning strategies for people is, you know, I'm like the songwriter, and they're like Elvis Presley. Right? They gotta go perform those strategies in order for them to be great. Yeah, no, I love that. Yeah. Yeah. I there's and you I'm sure you've heard the hero's journey by Joseph Campbell. Oh, sure. Yeah. And I love this because one I grew up you know, watching the fantasy movies and reading the Lord ring books and all that kind of stuff. So I can totally vibe with this whole theory and philosophy out there. But but to what I love about it is this whole dynamic of the guiding the hero. And I think what you're saying is, in a sense when you're working with these companies, you're the guide but they're the hero and the hero is still gotta go slay the damn dragon. Right? They still gotta go execute No matter whatever plan you build out or anything, you know, you put together for them. They still got to put the work in and do the things to make it a successful endeavor. It's like in sales. You know, you can, you know, talk about cold calling all day long, but until you pick up the damn phone and actually dial the number, you know, you know you've got nothing is that pretty much? Hey, listen, that's that's a My apologies. I Hey guys, I failed to put my phone on Do Not Disturb. Let me let me let me correct that now. Sorry about that brother. Okay, so yeah, I should have known better. This is not my first trip around the block on. Oh yeah, we're gonna make this one though. Yeah I know I deserve it. I deserve 50 lashes with a wet noodle at dawn. You know it's kind of like in you in Lord of the Rings. These guys get these special weapons. Right Aragorn got the special sword. Frodo via Bilbo had the the special weapon his size, but they still had to wield those weapons. Yeah, right. So there's no doubt and I think you're spot on on what you're saying and You know, it's like, I've got a new book that's going to be out. By the time this airs, it should be out on Amazon. And it's and it features 101 great, sort of many business strategies. And and it's dinner can innovative thinking methods in there that people can use to come up with their own. But they still got to apply those things right, no matter how brilliant they are. Yeah, yeah. You know, I'm sure you've experienced this, you know, you're standing in front of a room, you're talking to a crowd. And after the you're done talking to them, whether it's a speech or a training, whatever, someone walks up to you and says, that is one of the greatest things I've ever heard. And I take it two ways. One, my ego gets stroked, and I'm like, Yes, awesome. I did my job. And then the second thing goes through my head is wasn't great enough. And I'll usually ask that person, you know, are you going to go back and implement what we talked about today? And it's weird the responses. And I'm curious, you know, one, have you experienced it? And to have you watched the almost shocked reaction sometimes when you've asked that question? Oh, yeah, I listen, I think anybody that's done any, any keynote speaking or any training and you're in front of large groups has experienced that. Look, I think if you're a decent speaker, you can get people motivated. Yes, but the but the challenge with motivation is, is it's temporary, right? It's easy to get, you know, people's adrenaline pumped up and, and there's nothing wrong with that. I think you ought to live your life in an excited enthusiastic fashion but What I prefer to do, and this is where I think, you know, the training on the skill set of innovative thinking, especially the way we do it, where it's, you know, it's practical hands on, it's not standing up in front of a room with PowerPoints, or just about, you know, me being a keynote speaker is, you know, inspire people with, with a mindset of, Hey, you know what, I can do this, because they've actually experienced it right there. And they've, you know, when we do our training with the game I invented, which is kind of a basic innovative thinking game, but it puts it into a competitive format and it's fun and people laugh. When we're doing that. In a training. I say here, two things over and over one people laugh their heads off, and and second is your people go As people coming up with ideas and strategies, like Wow, that's really good. But I'll tell you afterwards dying. People come up to me and some people, they'll tell me overtly, and some people just kind of see by their to change in their physiology. That, you know, they surprised themselves at how they were able to think in a way and come up with ideas that they didn't expect. And, and I can totally relate to that. But they you can tell, right, that it's just like, No, I'm over sharper than I thought I was. Right, I'm all better than maybe I've been giving myself credit for. And when you get that, then you know that you've inspired you sort of, you sort of inspire something that they had inside them all along, but they just weren't aware of it. Yeah, I love those things go ahead is most people have never bet on themselves. Right? So when you can put them in an environment where they are forced to do something they haven't done and I'm not talking about walking across a rope bridge or you know, some tire swing thing or something, you know, but taking an action that will mentally allow them to grow and get them out of their comfort zone. You are, in a sense, forcibly helping them to evolve, and you can see it, and it's awesome. I mean, I it's a really cool change in people. So how does your game get them to do that? Well, the game is structured in a way that I say it has three elements. One, it's got some structure in it, there's a gameplay format to, it feels like fun rather than work. And three, it embraces competitiveness. Right? And everybody, I don't care, the most non competitive person, you know, when they feel like they've got a chance to win, they get competitive. Yes. And so what the game does is a little difficult in just an audio only environment. But you've got two teams. One is the entrepreneur, the inventor, we sort of use those terms interchangeably. Second Team is the competitor. And then the third team who's not competing in that round is the customer. And so each team A and B, gets a set of 10 words, and they use this innovative thinking process to match any of those two words together. And come up with an idea for a product, a service or business. And it gets three minutes to do that you will think three minutes is that long. But people surprise themselves. There's there's great power I found there's great power in have to. Yes. Right you when you have to get something done, you will. And when you don't usually want this Chan. Yeah. So so then each team, you know gets a separate set of words, they're coming up with an idea in three minutes and at the end of three minutes. They each take one minute and present to the customer team, what their product service or business is, how it works and what the benefits of the customer is. And then the customer decides, hey, do I like this team's idea better? Do I like this team's idea better. there's a there's a scoring system and play moves around the board where everybody's playing each Roll, you know, at any given time, and listen, I had a client come up to me after a training session once and he said, you know what the greatest part of this game is? And I said, What says a with David? So let's that David, he said when you when you were and when you lose, you still win, right? Yeah it's a blast. I love that you know, and here's something else that that I think your game is is getting people to do. It's forcing them to make decisions and and you know, a lot of life people get stalled with the inability to make a decision. So when you put them in a group atmosphere and you say you got three minutes to come up with a service, you know, a product or anything else. That's awesome, because I mean, that's a fast decision. And a lot of people struggle with making decisions at that speed and living and dying with the consequences. That's brilliant, but I commend you for for coming up with something innovative like that in a training format that, you know, one brings people together makes them think outside of the cliche word the box but also forces them to make those fast decisions because you know, studies have shown you know, the faster you make decisions, the better you can do in life and business because you don't get stuck. Good. I Where did this whole game evolved from? It was it was it? Yeah, that's no, that's a good question. For most of my adult life, I really didn't picture myself as a creative individual. But as I alluded to before, it's great power and have to and and in aspiring to take our company to a better level. I said, You know what? I don't really think I'm great at coming up with good ideas, but probably some books written on creativity, right? And I've got a book, which I highly recommend you have in mind that's coming out. I highly recommend this one the most. It's called Tinker toys. sinker is thinker toys like the child's toy Tinker toys. Okay? Think toys, and they're probably, they're probably 12 dozen different creative thinking techniques in there. And I tell you, if you are not used to thinking creatively, and you don't really view yourself as being a creative person, some of those look a little bit complex at first, but I discovered one in there called combine a story play, which sounds complicated, but it's not. That I learned later was both Einstein And Da Vinci's favorite creative thinking method. And look, all it is, is combining two things together and seeing what a third four possibilities occur. Do you mind if I give you an example? Please do I'm fascinated. If I let me, I first have to let you know that people don't think in words they think in pictures, true apps, right? So if I say the word dog, you're not thinking about the characters for the letter D, oh, and G you're thinking about a dog that you know, have no right and probably a dog that you owner have. If I say the word kitchen, you're thinking, the the image of the kitchen pops into your mind, right? Yep. But if you start combining words together, especially nouns, if I combine dog and kitchen together, or kitchen and dog together the new possibilities, start eliminating From my imaginative ability, you know, here's what's crazy about that is kitchen dog, I didn't have a whole lot of thought process around. But when you said dog kitchen, the first thing that popped in my head was, could there be a company I know there's our that that could make dog biscuits, or you know, you know, dog food, things in it. I know there's a ton out there, but I would never start one of those type of companies. But that's where my mind went to really cool thought process. And if you have an imagined you had a set of those nouns, right, not just a couple of work from, but if you had a set of those, and you had a direction to work with those. That's the whole point of come up with an idea for a new product service or business or an improvement on something that already exists, right? And some of the stuff that emanates from from just that little simple method and playing that game is It's practically astounding. Have you had anybody come to the game leave their company and because they started a business? I have had, I've had a number of people tell me stories about the things that they're working on. But look, it goes back to the challenges you were talking about before. You know, just coming up with an idea. Even if it's a multimillion dollar idea. It doesn't do anybody any good, even you right? If you don't act on it. Like, I have people tell me all the time when they when they find out. I have written a book. Our company published another one that I curated the content for and I have another one coming out. And so I can't tell you it's hundreds probably people told me Oh, yeah, I'm thinking about writing a book to write right now. How long you gonna think about it right? Now so and yeah, it's it's the inaction and people man it's a we're all guilty in some regards I mean, with our businesses and things we need to be doing, you know, and then help, you know, for me going from an employee to business owner was such a damn leap because I didn't realize how badly ingrained I was, you know, ingrained with this employee mindset before I started running my company, and I still find it, you know, not creating a job versus a business for myself. And, you know, it's it's that when when you get mired down with all the stuff, it's remembering to put one foot forward and start knocking things down. So you can keep moving forward because what, as soon as all those spinning plates like you're the clown with all the plates Getting up in the air. You can sit there and be mesmerised, how pretty all those plates look. But until you start knocking those plates off the frickin sticks. You're not gonna be able to move anywhere and go anywhere, you're gonna stay mesmerised, and action takes care of all that. And the biggest thing people always say, Well, what action do I take? I'm like the first one in front of you. Hey, listen, amen to that. It's hard to steer a car that's in park. Yes. Said. Right. So, look at start taking some action. You know, in my first book, there's a after, after you set your goals, then what should you do when you start taking action and what you think is the best direction, right? Because I found that as you begin to take action, you can Little signals and clues on which way to go. It's like, it's like your goals, the destination you've determined to get to. They act like a GPS that you get off track. You're going to figure that out as you go. Right. But that phrase as you go, is the critical one. Yep. Yeah, yeah. This is gonna be fun. So I love it when people bring up goal setting. And here's why. You ready for this? I'm ready. Goal setting doesn't work is actually a D motivator. And here's what I mean. And I love having this conversation is when somebody sets a goal. They are nine times out of 10 setting a goal they already believe they can achieve then They're going to fake it till they make it, in a sense lie to themselves that they're going to get there. When you set yourself up immediately for failure, not planned failure, but to fail, you lose. So I quit setting goals A while back, and I flipped it. And I set milestones and here's what I mean. I believe you should have a general vision of where you want to go. Okay, General vision, what you want to do. But I'll always take it back to sales. Let's say you've sold $10,000 a month. And you come back to your sales manager and that last year, you sold you know, $120,000, you look at your sales manager and say, this year, I'm going to sell a million dollars. And that manager is going to ask you a cool how you going to do that? The answer is always I'm going to work harder. Right? You know, which never works. Right, you know, so what I would tell if I was that sales manager tell that young sales person is let's do this, instead of setting that million dollar quota let's see if you can do 11,000 Let's get you to 11,000 get there, and then we still do 11,002 months. Can we then get the 12,000 and then 13 and you start teaching incremental growth and start getting people to learn and evolve, how to level up and then start moving forward. And and I'm curious now hearing my philosophy of course, it's my show so I have to be right. Your opinion make it mine. Right, exactly. Right. thoughts. I mean, because I mean, for you We were brought up in this world of set goals, set goals. And as you get this executive area, and it's a big, hairy, audacious goals and all this stuff, but people don't do the work. Right goes back to our whole thought talking around action. They're not doing the work. So that's why I flipped everything over to milestones because people can wrap their head around. How do I just get to my next, my next small level so I can grow? Well, this is my philosophy on goals. goals should be two things. Now, I'm not saying that you should not have a one year, five year 10 year vision. You should, but five years is a long time. Right? Especially in this age, unless there's over 1800 days in five years. So there's no sense of urgency. So I think you should set your You should have a vision for one year, you should have a vision for five years, maybe even for 10 years. But your goals ought not to be any more than 90 days at a time. For the second thing, and here's why, because there's no sense of urgency. If you miss one day out of 1800. That's not that big of a deal. But if you screw up one day out of 90, much more of a big deal, right? Right. So there's a so there's a, there's a an urgency of action in that. But here's the other thing and you you alluded to kind of a 10 x goal, which I know is kind of a catch phrase in today's world. But the problem with a 10 x goal is it's not believable to you right? Right. And I tell people look set stretching Lee realistic goals. And while I say stretching Lee realistic, I use those two terms again. For reason, you know, the most you've ever made in a year. And this funny, I just laid a couple different mastermind groups. And we were just talking about this very concept and in a mastermind group session an hour ago. And I said, you know, it's the most you've ever earned any year. Or let's, let's break it down to a quarter most you've ever earned in a quarter is 50 grand. And you set a goal to make to 50. The first thought you're going to have when you look at that as go, there's no way Yeah, right. funnel, see how I can get there. It's too high of a plateau. But the example that I was using in in that group, I said, you know, $100,000 in a year, used to seem like all the money in the world to me, right? until I got there. And that became anyway Listen, once you hit that, then you can start looking at 150. Right. And once you hit 150, you know, it doesn't seem like that far of a stretch to 250. And you get to 250 and 500 doesn't seem too far of a stretch. Now I have a friend of mine 2018 and I think he made about two and a half million. And I remember years ago, we were together in the financial services industry. And I remember he had he had just hit his first hundred thousand dollar month and income. And he was going to hit over a million that year. Total. And he said, Bill, he said his bill, he said Bob, earning a million it. I don't work any harder than when I was struggling to make 60 grand. Right. But the thought process, the focus, the execution was way different. Right. Right. So, so that I, it's been my experience, you know, everybody has their own philosophy and I think you're, whatever you're doing that works for you. That's what you ought to keep doing. So, I think we're saying a lot of the same things because you were talking about, okay, you know, if you did 50 a quarter, you know, getting the 250s a leap. What if you're going from 50 and 60? Alright, cool. Next back believable right, next quarter, can I get to 70? And, you know, because you have to evolve as an individual because the person you are right now is not the person you need to become to get to where you want to go. You have got to level up or get okay being okay. Because because, yeah, there's so many people that are They're, you know, telling the world how awesome they're going to be, and not executing. And all they're doing is making themselves miserable. Enjoy the life you have. And understand that your income level if you live inside your means you'd have a very happy life. But most people don't want to do that. Right? Yeah, they look, most people would rather grow their income to meet their dreams instead of tricking their dreams to meet their current income. True, was it right? So, but look, so many people are trying to go so far they're trying to make quantum leaps. And I'm not saying that you can't do that because I've done that a couple of times, right? But it's not the quantum leaps that matter as much as the consistent growth. system it can be consistent, small group, right? What if you're What if each month or maybe even each week, you try to get 1% better? Just 1% right mean 1% that it sounds like nothing. And yet over time, if you got 1% better, even a month, right 1% better a month, over the course of a year or two or three. That's massive growth. Very much true. And you know, but people want to believe in the overnight success, which is there's no such thing. They want to believe that there's an easy button. They want to believe that there's, you know, some magic pill or something. They don't want to do the work. You know, and they don't understand that you've got to go through it to become it. Oh, that's a great phrase. Absolutely, I'm gonna get a T shirt, maybe with a habit. You know, but that's it. I mean is people want the soft and easy and sweet and fluffy route when they don't realize that if you go in to fail on purpose, you can actually level up faster. Wow, that's where you learn the most. Right, right. I mean, when you screw up it, I tell people, Donnie, the reason I know how to do a lot of things, right? It's because I've done a wrong almost every possible way. Right? Right. I've screwed up so much. Right. And you alluded to this before. Your most overnight successes take at least a decade. Yes. You know, but people Well, people don't see that right? Or maybe they're willfully blind. And so I will No, I don't see that you know this person. You'll put in all this extra effort that they, they did things I like to tell people look, you got to do stuff to be consistent about about progress, even when you don't feel like it. Yes. Right. Even when you feel like sitting your butt on the couch and watching that episode of Laverne and Shirley that you've seen three times, right? You just age the hell out of yourself. Just so you know. Well, okay, how about that, that that that rerun of Grey's Anatomy. There you go. There Big Bang Theory. Yeah, frankly, I'll gonna make happen. Your audience mad probably I don't get the appeal that show. Oh, I love it. Love it. Yeah, but you know what? That's why they make different colors of car exhaust. Everybody don't like the same stuff. That's awesome. That's awesome. Yeah. I never know this show is gonna go sometimes it's always fun. It's always fun. You know, you've been really doing some cool things on your ride. some really cool things on your journey. I mean, you've done some cool stuff. Where's all this taking you? You know, you got new books coming out. You've had a couple of books, you're doing some speaking. You know what's what's being on the horizon for you. Then the next big thing is happening in 2019. Hopefully in the first half of 2019. I'm not 100% in control of this. So I can just tell you this is my intent is We are launching up to this point all the training that we've done has been face to face. But we are launching an online training portfolio or a portal I should say. That is going to train people up on how to think innovatively. But listen, the, the most exciting part of that is, is we're creating a, an interface where that small business person out there who might have 25 or 50 or 100 people that are working for their company. They'd love to be able to be like Procter and Gamble or International Harvester GM, some of these big companies that have thousands and thousands of employees and, and they can sort of crowdsource innovation internally. Well, if you got a company that has 100 people, you can crowdsource Internally, but it's not a very big crowd, right? So what if what if there was a way for that small entrepreneur to access the knowledge, experience and imagination of this vast army of people that have been trained how to think innovatively and they don't have to add anybody to their payroll? Right? They don't have to, nobody's taken up any more room in their building. They're paying no more benefits, and they only pay for the solutions that fit them. Well, that's interesting. That would be kind of a big deal, wouldn't it? Be that level the playing field for them, it would make them able to compete and have all that talent, access to it, just like big companies do. And on the flip side of that, Donnie is these people that have been Train to think innovatively, they bring their own set of knowledge and experience to the table. And they can look at that and they can exercise that entrepreneurial gene without having to go start their own company. Because it gives them potential extra source of income. So, the win for everybody? Yeah, yeah, no, I like that a lot. Was this was this concept born out of y'all need or you saw a gap in the marketplace? No, I just see that that look. There's a yo you got now this advent of so much automation, especially with AI. that a lot of jobs that are being done by people now are going to be done by people in the future. They're going to be done. And I don't mean the final need mean along the way future I mean, the near term future right, the next 135 years 10 years at the most. And so those people are going to need different skill sets. I think, as I was telling him on his podcast recently, it's temporarily terrible for those people when they lose their job, right? But it's only temporary, right? Because once they acquire the new skill sets needed to do the 21st century work, they're probably going to end up doing work that's more fun. It's probably more fulfilling, and frankly, because it brings more value to the marketplace, it probably pays more. And so they've got to learn these new skill set. And Chief among those, I believe, is how to think innovatively and apply that to practical solutions in business in life. And the sad part is, is our traditional education system isn't doing that. Yeah. So, you know, you can complain about that. But as opposed to complaining about things, I like to do something about them. And I see this big gap that's unfilled that companies like ours, so I'm sure we're not gonna be the only one are going to fill in the gaps there to get people trained in the skill sets that they need, you know, to thrive in the 21st century instead of just barely survive. Absolutely. That's well done. But it's a it's a really, really, really cool concept. I think you're going to help you know a lot of people on their journey level up. Good on you. Good on you. Thank you. We have a goal to help millions. Yeah, I know I should. I know I shouldn't set a goal Donnie, but can be taught this whole time. I wasn't sure but dang just proved. That that's my vision. Anyway. I love it. I love it. I love it. You know You know, here's here's the thing. There are certain individuals in this world that can set a goal, like a guy like Gary Vee Gary V's biggest thing. He tells everybody he's gonna buy the New York Jets. Right? Right. Right, like Gary Vee may very well get there, because that drives him that motivates them that charges him up. But it's such a few minority of people that are that driven, you know, innately to get there. So I like your big vision. Now bust your ass to get there. Well, if you're right, it can do you mind if I throw out sort of another thought in terms of goals? What I have found is that people don't set goals based on what they really want. They don't set their true goals. If they set goals at all. They're setting them based on what they think they ought to want. what somebody else wants them to want. You know, my sales man, my sales manager said, This is my quota. So that's my goal, right? What does that mean? There's no, if you're not setting goals that are your true goals, then there's no emotional power to them. So there's no driver for action. So you're setting yourself up for failure. If that's the kind of goals you're setting 100% agree. Hundred percent agree. Well said, Well said. Well, brother, can you believe it's been almost an hour already? Time flies when you're having fun, brother. Well, you know, I mean, when you're around me, you have no choice but to have fun. So So. Yeah, well, no, I this has been a blast. And by the way, time flies when you're having fun or not, so you're exactly right. Exactly. Well, my friend, how do people find you? How do they get in touch with you? How do they reach out? How do they make funny Yeah, you know, look, LinkedIn. Like my home on the internet, I just I love that platform. If it's done right, I think it's extremely productive. And, and you can meet people from all around the globe. And so LinkedIn is probably the best place to find me. It is linkedin.com slash IN slash Bob Sager VOB SAG on. love it love it. Well, this is how I like to wrap up every show. And I do stump some people on this. So So stand by, if you are going to leave the champion to listen to the show entrepreneurs, business owners, people from 78 countries around the world that tune in Listen to this. If you are going to leave them with a quote, a saying a phrase, a mantra or a motto, something they can take with them on their journey, especially if they're stacked up against it and going through it. What would be that quote or phrase you would say? Remember this? Remember this this is from Arthur Ashe. Arthur Ashe said, start where you are. Use what you have. Do what you can Love it. Love it. That's Sage sage advice, my friend. It's been so fun having you on here. I've really really enjoyed it. Thanks for you know, coming in sharing your story and having some fun conversations and some laughs So So thanks for doing this but hey, Donnie, it's been fun being on what you Thanks for having me. Awesome. Well

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You know, my story is probably you probably don't have enough time on your podcast to hear the long boring parts. Trust me, nobody wants to hear all that anyway. So now listen, you know, I think you're going to find this maybe to be kind of weird, and your guests might find this to be a little bit weird, but Had the the advantage of growing up on the on the border of poor. And you people look at that and go an advantage. And then listen, I don't mean we went hungry or anything like that, but man, there were no extras. And and so that inspired me. I still remember being 10 years old and asking my parents for something and then telling me you wish don't have the money for that. And I don't even remember what it was Donnie, but I remember deciding, well, you know what I want it. So I'm going to figure out how to how to make the money to buy it. And that was sort of that was sort of the start of my ambitious journey, I guess. And I, you know, out of out of five kids, I think I was the only one with an entrepreneurial gene. And I guess some people are just wired differently. But I mean, you know, my sort of entrepreneurial journey started. I spent six months selling new Oldsmobile. That was an interesting business. And frankly, I really didn't like car business a whole lot, mostly because it didn't really fit my core. And I think when something just doesn't fit, kind of your core values, personality, whatever, you're just not going to be as successful as as you could otherwise be. Nothing listeners at all. So long time ago was 1986 when I was in the car business, but one thing that I did like about it was I in that business, I started earning four or five times the money that I was used to earning. And I said, Man, I don't like the car business, but I could get used to making this kind of money. And so the car business led to my really kind of first chance I had to be in charge Myself, which is four years selling residential real estate. And then that led to a 17 year career in frankly, what I thought would be my career portal, which was in financial services, love that business. But I found that I would see both clients I work with, and reps I hired and trained sabotage themselves and their financial success. And the more I saw it, the more bothered me and it but it was kind of the impetus that led to me studying the psychology of what I call the psychology of human action in action. You know, what in the world makes people do the things they do, or not do the things that they don't do. And I learned a lot about what, what really are the drivers for people, and it helped me a lot personally. And so I ended up writing my first book, and after 17 years in that in History, I decided I was going to start my own company strictly to do personal achievement training. And wrote the book, it was sort of a has a basics of what that was all about. It's called discovering your greatness. subtitle, the higher level thinking and action guide. And, interestingly enough, a couple years into running a new company, we're doing okay. But okay, wasn't what I had in mind. And I thought, you know, we need some better ideas here. And I really started studying about creative thinking and innovative thinking. And what I discovered was teaching people how to do that. Help them get a better image of themselves. And when you're thinking better about yourself, and especially if you can have some During that process, it's just a whole different world. And so most of the work that we do now with spearpoint solutions, is really involved with innovative thinking, training on that. I do do some consulting with companies to develop strategies, you're using those principles that I teach. Because I find sometimes, you know, I talk to CEOs or managers and they go, you know, you're pretty good at this stuff. Why don't you just help us develop some strategies and instead of training our people, so either way, it's good with me, and it's kind of a long and winding road to get where I am now, but I you know, what I found there's almost nobody. Now almost no successful person that I've ever met, had a straight pathway and Okay, well, what's your experience been with that? No, it's the same brother. It's the same. Yeah, I'm really fascinated with this whole idea of these kids. Right, you know, because that wasn't me, right? That wasn't my story. That wasn't my journey. I, I didn't think about starting a business until I was 40. You know, I tell everybody, I'm a late bloomer. You know, so I'm really, you know, this whole idea that that you're born an entrepreneur really, really floors me kind of a bit because I don't fully wrap my head around how you got to that space. Do you think it's mean? I mean, I know you said it was because you were 10 years old. Right. And that, you know, there was something that you wanted to buy, you couldn't buy, you know, but how does that translate to years of creation? years ago? Well, yeah, go ahead. Yeah, no, that's a good question. And I don't know that I was necessarily born an entrepreneur. Exactly. But I think some people are common one. wired to be ambitious. And some people just are okay with just being okay. And there's nothing wrong with either, you know, whatever fits you and your lifestyle and your goals. I think what, that's fine, right? I make no judgments. I just know that, you know, for for somebody like me to aspire to average it's just not in my DNA. I love that phrase. Here's why I'm catching a lot of buzz because of something I say on stage. But I mean, you pretty much just said it. It's really just this quote, you either get okay being okay. Or you get in the game, otherwise Shut the hell up. Because because there's a lot of people that keep telling the world I'm going to be great. I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna blah blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But in truth, they're not Taking the action to do the things they need to do, to level up, scale up and go for it. So I, I wish people would, you know, stop taking on the world telling them how awesome they would be and truly just start enjoying the life that they have, versus making themselves feel miserable, because they're not doing the things they thought they should. That makes sense. Well, it does. And two thoughts come to mind as you're saying that I heard a long time ago, a phrase that stuck with me, says, When all is said and done, there's usually more said than done. True. Right. And look, talk is cheap brother. Nope. It's easy to do. It's way easier to do than taking action and getting your nose bloodied. Right, and tripping and falling, that it's much easier. So anybody can talk a good game. Yep. Right. But it's it, but it's people who it's the doers of the world. You know, I talked about a lot about developing better ideas. And I think that's a key critical component. Right? Because a bad ideas even perfectly executed is still a bad idea. Yes, but but, you know, I think you ought to start with with better ideas and better strategies. But having said that, the greatest strategies with the most perfect plan, not executed don't add any value to anybody. So you know, so you've got to have, you know, if I could make an analogy, in physics, you've got theoretical physicists and experimental physicist, and they're both necessary to move That field forward. So, so but the the theoretical, the theories of the theoretical physicists are only proven by the experimental businesses, right. But the experimental physicists are maybe not the best theoretical physicist. So it's sort of like the symbiosis between a songwriter and a gifted performer. A this is a this is a bit of trivia here. You know, Elvis Presley had I think 38 number one songs, or 38, top 10 songs. It was a bunch, right. Okay. And and how many of those did he write or co write? Man I don't and to have an answer that but but since you're asking I'm going to say zero It is zero. Now, you can become world famous as a performer. Right? And you don't have to be able to write songs. But the flip side of that is, you can write great songs and other people perform them. And you can be great that way too. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I mean, the way I look at as a at creating winning strategies for people is, you know, I'm like the songwriter, and they're like Elvis Presley. Right? They gotta go perform those strategies in order for them to be great. Yeah, no, I love that. Yeah. Yeah. I there's and you I'm sure you've heard the hero's journey by Joseph Campbell. Oh, sure. Yeah. And I love this because one I grew up you know, watching the fantasy movies and reading the Lord ring books and all that kind of stuff. So I can totally vibe with this whole theory and philosophy out there. But but to what I love about it is this whole dynamic of the guiding the hero. And I think what you're saying is, in a sense when you're working with these companies, you're the guide but they're the hero and the hero is still gotta go slay the damn dragon. Right? They still gotta go execute No matter whatever plan you build out or anything, you know, you put together for them. They still got to put the work in and do the things to make it a successful endeavor. It's like in sales. You know, you can, you know, talk about cold calling all day long, but until you pick up the damn phone and actually dial the number, you know, you know you've got nothing is that pretty much? Hey, listen, that's that's a My apologies. I Hey guys, I failed to put my phone on Do Not Disturb. Let me let me let me correct that now. Sorry about that brother. Okay, so yeah, I should have known better. This is not my first trip around the block on. Oh yeah, we're gonna make this one though. Yeah I know I deserve it. I deserve 50 lashes with a wet noodle at dawn. You know it's kind of like in you in Lord of the Rings. These guys get these special weapons. Right Aragorn got the special sword. Frodo via Bilbo had the the special weapon his size, but they still had to wield those weapons. Yeah, right. So there's no doubt and I think you're spot on on what you're saying and You know, it's like, I've got a new book that's going to be out. By the time this airs, it should be out on Amazon. And it's and it features 101 great, sort of many business strategies. And and it's dinner can innovative thinking methods in there that people can use to come up with their own. But they still got to apply those things right, no matter how brilliant they are. Yeah, yeah. You know, I'm sure you've experienced this, you know, you're standing in front of a room, you're talking to a crowd. And after the you're done talking to them, whether it's a speech or a training, whatever, someone walks up to you and says, that is one of the greatest things I've ever heard. And I take it two ways. One, my ego gets stroked, and I'm like, Yes, awesome. I did my job. And then the second thing goes through my head is wasn't great enough. And I'll usually ask that person, you know, are you going to go back and implement what we talked about today? And it's weird the responses. And I'm curious, you know, one, have you experienced it? And to have you watched the almost shocked reaction sometimes when you've asked that question? Oh, yeah, I listen, I think anybody that's done any, any keynote speaking or any training and you're in front of large groups has experienced that. Look, I think if you're a decent speaker, you can get people motivated. Yes, but the but the challenge with motivation is, is it's temporary, right? It's easy to get, you know, people's adrenaline pumped up and, and there's nothing wrong with that. I think you ought to live your life in an excited enthusiastic fashion but What I prefer to do, and this is where I think, you know, the training on the skill set of innovative thinking, especially the way we do it, where it's, you know, it's practical hands on, it's not standing up in front of a room with PowerPoints, or just about, you know, me being a keynote speaker is, you know, inspire people with, with a mindset of, Hey, you know what, I can do this, because they've actually experienced it right there. And they've, you know, when we do our training with the game I invented, which is kind of a basic innovative thinking game, but it puts it into a competitive format and it's fun and people laugh. When we're doing that. In a training. I say here, two things over and over one people laugh their heads off, and and second is your people go As people coming up with ideas and strategies, like Wow, that's really good. But I'll tell you afterwards dying. People come up to me and some people, they'll tell me overtly, and some people just kind of see by their to change in their physiology. That, you know, they surprised themselves at how they were able to think in a way and come up with ideas that they didn't expect. And, and I can totally relate to that. But they you can tell, right, that it's just like, No, I'm over sharper than I thought I was. Right, I'm all better than maybe I've been giving myself credit for. And when you get that, then you know that you've inspired you sort of, you sort of inspire something that they had inside them all along, but they just weren't aware of it. Yeah, I love those things go ahead is most people have never bet on themselves. Right? So when you can put them in an environment where they are forced to do something they haven't done and I'm not talking about walking across a rope bridge or you know, some tire swing thing or something, you know, but taking an action that will mentally allow them to grow and get them out of their comfort zone. You are, in a sense, forcibly helping them to evolve, and you can see it, and it's awesome. I mean, I it's a really cool change in people. So how does your game get them to do that? Well, the game is structured in a way that I say it has three elements. One, it's got some structure in it, there's a gameplay format to, it feels like fun rather than work. And three, it embraces competitiveness. Right? And everybody, I don't care, the most non competitive person, you know, when they feel like they've got a chance to win, they get competitive. Yes. And so what the game does is a little difficult in just an audio only environment. But you've got two teams. One is the entrepreneur, the inventor, we sort of use those terms interchangeably. Second Team is the competitor. And then the third team who's not competing in that round is the customer. And so each team A and B, gets a set of 10 words, and they use this innovative thinking process to match any of those two words together. And come up with an idea for a product, a service or business. And it gets three minutes to do that you will think three minutes is that long. But people surprise themselves. There's there's great power I found there's great power in have to. Yes. Right you when you have to get something done, you will. And when you don't usually want this Chan. Yeah. So so then each team, you know gets a separate set of words, they're coming up with an idea in three minutes and at the end of three minutes. They each take one minute and present to the customer team, what their product service or business is, how it works and what the benefits of the customer is. And then the customer decides, hey, do I like this team's idea better? Do I like this team's idea better. there's a there's a scoring system and play moves around the board where everybody's playing each Roll, you know, at any given time, and listen, I had a client come up to me after a training session once and he said, you know what the greatest part of this game is? And I said, What says a with David? So let's that David, he said when you when you were and when you lose, you still win, right? Yeah it's a blast. I love that you know, and here's something else that that I think your game is is getting people to do. It's forcing them to make decisions and and you know, a lot of life people get stalled with the inability to make a decision. So when you put them in a group atmosphere and you say you got three minutes to come up with a service, you know, a product or anything else. That's awesome, because I mean, that's a fast decision. And a lot of people struggle with making decisions at that speed and living and dying with the consequences. That's brilliant, but I commend you for for coming up with something innovative like that in a training format that, you know, one brings people together makes them think outside of the cliche word the box but also forces them to make those fast decisions because you know, studies have shown you know, the faster you make decisions, the better you can do in life and business because you don't get stuck. Good. I Where did this whole game evolved from? It was it was it? Yeah, that's no, that's a good question. For most of my adult life, I really didn't picture myself as a creative individual. But as I alluded to before, it's great power and have to and and in aspiring to take our company to a better level. I said, You know what? I don't really think I'm great at coming up with good ideas, but probably some books written on creativity, right? And I've got a book, which I highly recommend you have in mind that's coming out. I highly recommend this one the most. It's called Tinker toys. sinker is thinker toys like the child's toy Tinker toys. Okay? Think toys, and they're probably, they're probably 12 dozen different creative thinking techniques in there. And I tell you, if you are not used to thinking creatively, and you don't really view yourself as being a creative person, some of those look a little bit complex at first, but I discovered one in there called combine a story play, which sounds complicated, but it's not. That I learned later was both Einstein And Da Vinci's favorite creative thinking method. And look, all it is, is combining two things together and seeing what a third four possibilities occur. Do you mind if I give you an example? Please do I'm fascinated. If I let me, I first have to let you know that people don't think in words they think in pictures, true apps, right? So if I say the word dog, you're not thinking about the characters for the letter D, oh, and G you're thinking about a dog that you know, have no right and probably a dog that you owner have. If I say the word kitchen, you're thinking, the the image of the kitchen pops into your mind, right? Yep. But if you start combining words together, especially nouns, if I combine dog and kitchen together, or kitchen and dog together the new possibilities, start eliminating From my imaginative ability, you know, here's what's crazy about that is kitchen dog, I didn't have a whole lot of thought process around. But when you said dog kitchen, the first thing that popped in my head was, could there be a company I know there's our that that could make dog biscuits, or you know, you know, dog food, things in it. I know there's a ton out there, but I would never start one of those type of companies. But that's where my mind went to really cool thought process. And if you have an imagined you had a set of those nouns, right, not just a couple of work from, but if you had a set of those, and you had a direction to work with those. That's the whole point of come up with an idea for a new product service or business or an improvement on something that already exists, right? And some of the stuff that emanates from from just that little simple method and playing that game is It's practically astounding. Have you had anybody come to the game leave their company and because they started a business? I have had, I've had a number of people tell me stories about the things that they're working on. But look, it goes back to the challenges you were talking about before. You know, just coming up with an idea. Even if it's a multimillion dollar idea. It doesn't do anybody any good, even you right? If you don't act on it. Like, I have people tell me all the time when they when they find out. I have written a book. Our company published another one that I curated the content for and I have another one coming out. And so I can't tell you it's hundreds probably people told me Oh, yeah, I'm thinking about writing a book to write right now. How long you gonna think about it right? Now so and yeah, it's it's the inaction and people man it's a we're all guilty in some regards I mean, with our businesses and things we need to be doing, you know, and then help, you know, for me going from an employee to business owner was such a damn leap because I didn't realize how badly ingrained I was, you know, ingrained with this employee mindset before I started running my company, and I still find it, you know, not creating a job versus a business for myself. And, you know, it's it's that when when you get mired down with all the stuff, it's remembering to put one foot forward and start knocking things down. So you can keep moving forward because what, as soon as all those spinning plates like you're the clown with all the plates Getting up in the air. You can sit there and be mesmerised, how pretty all those plates look. But until you start knocking those plates off the frickin sticks. You're not gonna be able to move anywhere and go anywhere, you're gonna stay mesmerised, and action takes care of all that. And the biggest thing people always say, Well, what action do I take? I'm like the first one in front of you. Hey, listen, amen to that. It's hard to steer a car that's in park. Yes. Said. Right. So, look at start taking some action. You know, in my first book, there's a after, after you set your goals, then what should you do when you start taking action and what you think is the best direction, right? Because I found that as you begin to take action, you can Little signals and clues on which way to go. It's like, it's like your goals, the destination you've determined to get to. They act like a GPS that you get off track. You're going to figure that out as you go. Right. But that phrase as you go, is the critical one. Yep. Yeah, yeah. This is gonna be fun. So I love it when people bring up goal setting. And here's why. You ready for this? I'm ready. Goal setting doesn't work is actually a D motivator. And here's what I mean. And I love having this conversation is when somebody sets a goal. They are nine times out of 10 setting a goal they already believe they can achieve then They're going to fake it till they make it, in a sense lie to themselves that they're going to get there. When you set yourself up immediately for failure, not planned failure, but to fail, you lose. So I quit setting goals A while back, and I flipped it. And I set milestones and here's what I mean. I believe you should have a general vision of where you want to go. Okay, General vision, what you want to do. But I'll always take it back to sales. Let's say you've sold $10,000 a month. And you come back to your sales manager and that last year, you sold you know, $120,000, you look at your sales manager and say, this year, I'm going to sell a million dollars. And that manager is going to ask you a cool how you going to do that? The answer is always I'm going to work harder. Right? You know, which never works. Right, you know, so what I would tell if I was that sales manager tell that young sales person is let's do this, instead of setting that million dollar quota let's see if you can do 11,000 Let's get you to 11,000 get there, and then we still do 11,002 months. Can we then get the 12,000 and then 13 and you start teaching incremental growth and start getting people to learn and evolve, how to level up and then start moving forward. And and I'm curious now hearing my philosophy of course, it's my show so I have to be right. Your opinion make it mine. Right, exactly. Right. thoughts. I mean, because I mean, for you We were brought up in this world of set goals, set goals. And as you get this executive area, and it's a big, hairy, audacious goals and all this stuff, but people don't do the work. Right goes back to our whole thought talking around action. They're not doing the work. So that's why I flipped everything over to milestones because people can wrap their head around. How do I just get to my next, my next small level so I can grow? Well, this is my philosophy on goals. goals should be two things. Now, I'm not saying that you should not have a one year, five year 10 year vision. You should, but five years is a long time. Right? Especially in this age, unless there's over 1800 days in five years. So there's no sense of urgency. So I think you should set your You should have a vision for one year, you should have a vision for five years, maybe even for 10 years. But your goals ought not to be any more than 90 days at a time. For the second thing, and here's why, because there's no sense of urgency. If you miss one day out of 1800. That's not that big of a deal. But if you screw up one day out of 90, much more of a big deal, right? Right. So there's a so there's a, there's a an urgency of action in that. But here's the other thing and you you alluded to kind of a 10 x goal, which I know is kind of a catch phrase in today's world. But the problem with a 10 x goal is it's not believable to you right? Right. And I tell people look set stretching Lee realistic goals. And while I say stretching Lee realistic, I use those two terms again. For reason, you know, the most you've ever made in a year. And this funny, I just laid a couple different mastermind groups. And we were just talking about this very concept and in a mastermind group session an hour ago. And I said, you know, it's the most you've ever earned any year. Or let's, let's break it down to a quarter most you've ever earned in a quarter is 50 grand. And you set a goal to make to 50. The first thought you're going to have when you look at that as go, there's no way Yeah, right. funnel, see how I can get there. It's too high of a plateau. But the example that I was using in in that group, I said, you know, $100,000 in a year, used to seem like all the money in the world to me, right? until I got there. And that became anyway Listen, once you hit that, then you can start looking at 150. Right. And once you hit 150, you know, it doesn't seem like that far of a stretch to 250. And you get to 250 and 500 doesn't seem too far of a stretch. Now I have a friend of mine 2018 and I think he made about two and a half million. And I remember years ago, we were together in the financial services industry. And I remember he had he had just hit his first hundred thousand dollar month and income. And he was going to hit over a million that year. Total. And he said, Bill, he said his bill, he said Bob, earning a million it. I don't work any harder than when I was struggling to make 60 grand. Right. But the thought process, the focus, the execution was way different. Right. Right. So, so that I, it's been my experience, you know, everybody has their own philosophy and I think you're, whatever you're doing that works for you. That's what you ought to keep doing. So, I think we're saying a lot of the same things because you were talking about, okay, you know, if you did 50 a quarter, you know, getting the 250s a leap. What if you're going from 50 and 60? Alright, cool. Next back believable right, next quarter, can I get to 70? And, you know, because you have to evolve as an individual because the person you are right now is not the person you need to become to get to where you want to go. You have got to level up or get okay being okay. Because because, yeah, there's so many people that are They're, you know, telling the world how awesome they're going to be, and not executing. And all they're doing is making themselves miserable. Enjoy the life you have. And understand that your income level if you live inside your means you'd have a very happy life. But most people don't want to do that. Right? Yeah, they look, most people would rather grow their income to meet their dreams instead of tricking their dreams to meet their current income. True, was it right? So, but look, so many people are trying to go so far they're trying to make quantum leaps. And I'm not saying that you can't do that because I've done that a couple of times, right? But it's not the quantum leaps that matter as much as the consistent growth. system it can be consistent, small group, right? What if you're What if each month or maybe even each week, you try to get 1% better? Just 1% right mean 1% that it sounds like nothing. And yet over time, if you got 1% better, even a month, right 1% better a month, over the course of a year or two or three. That's massive growth. Very much true. And you know, but people want to believe in the overnight success, which is there's no such thing. They want to believe that there's an easy button. They want to believe that there's, you know, some magic pill or something. They don't want to do the work. You know, and they don't understand that you've got to go through it to become it. Oh, that's a great phrase. Absolutely, I'm gonna get a T shirt, maybe with a habit. You know, but that's it. I mean is people want the soft and easy and sweet and fluffy route when they don't realize that if you go in to fail on purpose, you can actually level up faster. Wow, that's where you learn the most. Right, right. I mean, when you screw up it, I tell people, Donnie, the reason I know how to do a lot of things, right? It's because I've done a wrong almost every possible way. Right? Right. I've screwed up so much. Right. And you alluded to this before. Your most overnight successes take at least a decade. Yes. You know, but people Well, people don't see that right? Or maybe they're willfully blind. And so I will No, I don't see that you know this person. You'll put in all this extra effort that they, they did things I like to tell people look, you got to do stuff to be consistent about about progress, even when you don't feel like it. Yes. Right. Even when you feel like sitting your butt on the couch and watching that episode of Laverne and Shirley that you've seen three times, right? You just age the hell out of yourself. Just so you know. Well, okay, how about that, that that that rerun of Grey's Anatomy. There you go. There Big Bang Theory. Yeah, frankly, I'll gonna make happen. Your audience mad probably I don't get the appeal that show. Oh, I love it. Love it. Yeah, but you know what? That's why they make different colors of car exhaust. Everybody don't like the same stuff. That's awesome. That's awesome. Yeah. I never know this show is gonna go sometimes it's always fun. It's always fun. You know, you've been really doing some cool things on your ride. some really cool things on your journey. I mean, you've done some cool stuff. Where's all this taking you? You know, you got new books coming out. You've had a couple of books, you're doing some speaking. You know what's what's being on the horizon for you. Then the next big thing is happening in 2019. Hopefully in the first half of 2019. I'm not 100% in control of this. So I can just tell you this is my intent is We are launching up to this point all the training that we've done has been face to face. But we are launching an online training portfolio or a portal I should say. That is going to train people up on how to think innovatively. But listen, the, the most exciting part of that is, is we're creating a, an interface where that small business person out there who might have 25 or 50 or 100 people that are working for their company. They'd love to be able to be like Procter and Gamble or International Harvester GM, some of these big companies that have thousands and thousands of employees and, and they can sort of crowdsource innovation internally. Well, if you got a company that has 100 people, you can crowdsource Internally, but it's not a very big crowd, right? So what if what if there was a way for that small entrepreneur to access the knowledge, experience and imagination of this vast army of people that have been trained how to think innovatively and they don't have to add anybody to their payroll? Right? They don't have to, nobody's taken up any more room in their building. They're paying no more benefits, and they only pay for the solutions that fit them. Well, that's interesting. That would be kind of a big deal, wouldn't it? Be that level the playing field for them, it would make them able to compete and have all that talent, access to it, just like big companies do. And on the flip side of that, Donnie is these people that have been Train to think innovatively, they bring their own set of knowledge and experience to the table. And they can look at that and they can exercise that entrepreneurial gene without having to go start their own company. Because it gives them potential extra source of income. So, the win for everybody? Yeah, yeah, no, I like that a lot. Was this was this concept born out of y'all need or you saw a gap in the marketplace? No, I just see that that look. There's a yo you got now this advent of so much automation, especially with AI. that a lot of jobs that are being done by people now are going to be done by people in the future. They're going to be done. And I don't mean the final need mean along the way future I mean, the near term future right, the next 135 years 10 years at the most. And so those people are going to need different skill sets. I think, as I was telling him on his podcast recently, it's temporarily terrible for those people when they lose their job, right? But it's only temporary, right? Because once they acquire the new skill sets needed to do the 21st century work, they're probably going to end up doing work that's more fun. It's probably more fulfilling, and frankly, because it brings more value to the marketplace, it probably pays more. And so they've got to learn these new skill set. And Chief among those, I believe, is how to think innovatively and apply that to practical solutions in business in life. And the sad part is, is our traditional education system isn't doing that. Yeah. So, you know, you can complain about that. But as opposed to complaining about things, I like to do something about them. And I see this big gap that's unfilled that companies like ours, so I'm sure we're not gonna be the only one are going to fill in the gaps there to get people trained in the skill sets that they need, you know, to thrive in the 21st century instead of just barely survive. Absolutely. That's well done. But it's a it's a really, really, really cool concept. I think you're going to help you know a lot of people on their journey level up. Good on you. Good on you. Thank you. We have a goal to help millions. Yeah, I know I should. I know I shouldn't set a goal Donnie, but can be taught this whole time. I wasn't sure but dang just proved. That that's my vision. Anyway. I love it. I love it. I love it. You know You know, here's here's the thing. There are certain individuals in this world that can set a goal, like a guy like Gary Vee Gary V's biggest thing. He tells everybody he's gonna buy the New York Jets. Right? Right. Right, like Gary Vee may very well get there, because that drives him that motivates them that charges him up. But it's such a few minority of people that are that driven, you know, innately to get there. So I like your big vision. Now bust your ass to get there. Well, if you're right, it can do you mind if I throw out sort of another thought in terms of goals? What I have found is that people don't set goals based on what they really want. They don't set their true goals. If they set goals at all. They're setting them based on what they think they ought to want. what somebody else wants them to want. You know, my sales man, my sales manager said, This is my quota. So that's my goal, right? What does that mean? There's no, if you're not setting goals that are your true goals, then there's no emotional power to them. So there's no driver for action. So you're setting yourself up for failure. If that's the kind of goals you're setting 100% agree. Hundred percent agree. Well said, Well said. Well, brother, can you believe it's been almost an hour already? Time flies when you're having fun, brother. Well, you know, I mean, when you're around me, you have no choice but to have fun. So So. Yeah, well, no, I this has been a blast. And by the way, time flies when you're having fun or not, so you're exactly right. Exactly. Well, my friend, how do people find you? How do they get in touch with you? How do they reach out? How do they make funny Yeah, you know, look, LinkedIn. Like my home on the internet, I just I love that platform. If it's done right, I think it's extremely productive. And, and you can meet people from all around the globe. And so LinkedIn is probably the best place to find me. It is linkedin.com slash IN slash Bob Sager VOB SAG on. love it love it. Well, this is how I like to wrap up every show. And I do stump some people on this. So So stand by, if you are going to leave the champion to listen to the show entrepreneurs, business owners, people from 78 countries around the world that tune in Listen to this. If you are going to leave them with a quote, a saying a phrase, a mantra or a motto, something they can take with them on their journey, especially if they're stacked up against it and going through it. What would be that quote or phrase you would say? Remember this? Remember this this is from Arthur Ashe. Arthur Ashe said, start where you are. Use what you have. Do what you can Love it. Love it. That's Sage sage advice, my friend. It's been so fun having you on here. I've really really enjoyed it. Thanks for you know, coming in sharing your story and having some fun conversations and some laughs So So thanks for doing this but hey, Donnie, it's been fun being on what you Thanks for having me. Awesome. Well

  Let's Talk about Goal Setting and Fear of Failure... On this week's episode of the Lunch and Learn with Dr. Berry we have Dr. Brad Bellard, a phenomenal peak performance coach, who is driven to help professionals maximize their potential, so they achieve more success and fulfillment. Today Dr. Brad is going to drive home the mantra NO MORE EXCUSES. Dr. Brad is a best-selling author and sought-after keynote speaker, delivering impactful messages on topics including performance, purpose, and his personal story of going from ordinary to extraordinary. We are very fortunate enough to get Dr. Brad on this week's episode of the Lunch and Learn community because he is ready to help us all get out of the cycle of unfinished goals, help us battle the fear of failure on our health journey and gives us tips and tricks to make sure our goals become reality. 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Introduction   Dr. Berry: And welcome to another episode of the Lunch and Learn with Dr. Berry. I'm your host, Dr. Berry Pierre, your favorite Board Certified Internist. Founder of Pierre Medical Consulting, helping you empower yourself for better health with the number one podcast for patient advocacy here with the Lunch and Learn with Dr. Berry.  Bringing you another episode. This is Episode 118. We have Dr. Brad Bellard who is an amazing, phenomenal performance coach who is going to get us right this episode. A lot of times when we talk about just the aspect of goals and achieving goals and what that means, I think a lot of times we kind of set people up for failure, right? And especially in the health space where we set patients up to say like, hey, you gotta stop smoking in three months, or hey, you got to lose all this weight. Or you watch your cholesterol. You gotta do all of these things that we set expectations on our patients. But a lot of times we don't actually train our patients to achieve those expectations. And Dr. Brad, who is an amazing speaker, he has a YouTube page where we're pushing him to hurry up and get a podcast because he needs to be on a podcast. Great blog as well too, who is going to really educate us and get us right on the correct mindset to make sure that not only do we have goals that we want to achieve, but we know how to succeed in getting those goals and we know have to deal with the missteps that are likely gonna be in the way on your route to those goals. So just a quick little bio. Dr. Brad is a double board certified sports medicine physician. He's a peak performance coach, as well as a non operative sports medicine specialist. Dr. Brad helps injured active individuals, avoid surgery, decrease pain and improve function. He's also served as a team physician for multiple professional teams including the NBA Dallas Mavericks and as a regular guest on Dallas, ESPN radio show inside sports medicine. As a peak performance coach, which again, I'm telling you like even though I know he's a sports medicine physician, like this is really where I think he excels and this is where I've been at narrowed by his growth. As a peak performance coach, Dr. Brad helps driven professionals maximize their potential so they achieve more success and fulfillment. Dr. Brad is a bestselling author, sought after keynote speaker delivering impactful messages on topics including performance purpose and his personal story on going from ordinary to extraordinary. Again, if you're listening to this in the month of July, you know, we are all about self-reflection. We're all about our mental clarity, mental health. I knew I'd be doing you guys a disservice if I did not tell you the aspect of achieving goals and setting goals and how to actually be successful at them. Dr. Brad actually drops a statistics bomb that actually kind of, you know, floors me throughout the episode when we talk about New Year's resolutions because you know, obviously if you're listening to this in July and you made this new year's resolution in January, if you look to the left, look to the right, one of your partners isn't talking about the new year's resolution, right? And he told me the amount of people who actually drop off by like February, March, which is absolutely crazy. So be on the lookout for that little tidbit. I mean, again, you're going to hear about his book, you're going to hear about a coaching program that he's got coming up and we're definitely excited for. And again, following this episode, I want you guys to follow him and I want you to pester him and to make sure he gets this podcast out because it's needed. We need a voice like his in the podcast space and I'm definitely excited for that to come whenever that does come around. But we're going to push it to be sooner rather than later. Again, like always, if you're not done, so go ahead and subscribe to the podcast. Leave me a five star review. Go ahead, follow Dr. Brad and know how much you learned and gained from this week's episode because again, I was sitting here like writing mental notes myself, and this is definitely an episode. I'm going to be going back and forth and drawing inspiration and drawing knowledge to make sure I'm achieving all the goals that I set forth to achieve from this year and here all forth. So again, another episode here on Lunch and Learn with Dr. Berry. Subscribe on all your favorite social media outlets, whether that be Instagram, Instagram stories, Facebook, Twitter. I'm on all of them. So wherever you are sharing it, I'm likely there. If you mention me, I'll definitely make sure I acknowledge on the support. You guys have a great and blessed day.   Episode   Dr. Berry: Alright, Lunch and Learn community. You just got a chance to listen to another amazing bio. I think I say this every week, I'm blessed to be able to know a lot of people who are doing some amazing things out in the health world and community and those who are willing to kind of reach back and educate Lunch and Learn community on all the amazing stuff they're doing. So again Dr. Brad, thank you for joining today's podcast. Dr. Brad Bellard: Dude my absolute pleasure. We talked about this before we got on offline, but you know, it's an honor and a privilege to be on here because I've been watching you. We got a lot of mutual friends together and we speak similar language in terms of being able to promote and improve other people's lives in very different ways, whether it's mental health or whether it's personal growth or whether it's their physical health. And so is my time we got together, man. So I appreciate the fact that you reached out and I'm excited man. Dr. Berry: And you know what I love about that is that, because I think a lot of times when people talk about growth in those different areas, they talk about it as if it's separate, like separate entities just kind of like run in parallel but not realizing to be really whole, right? Like you've got to have all of these things kinda in line. Right? Dr. Brad Bellard: Well, and you said it dude. We really separate our physical health from what's going on in our mind? And to me, you can't reach a certain level of physical health until the mind understands where it's trying to go and believe that it's possible to get there. So yes, it goes hand and hand. For somebody to maybe look like they're in great shape, but mentally they're not there, they're stressed. You may not see the toll that the stress has taken on internally, but you know, that's conflicting. So really ultimately like you said to be oh, and you've got to have the mind antibody right together. So now you, you hit the nail on the head. Dr. Berry: I have a lot in my Lunch and Learn community members who like to skip past the intro. So they've been, maybe they didn't catch your bio, right? For those who did it, tell a little something about yourself that maybe isn’t in the bio but like, you know, really says like who Dr. Brad really is? Dr. Brad Bellard: Man, at the end of the day dude, I'm just a guy who was at the, you know, just really came from ordinary beginnings in the Houston area. Had no aspirations of becoming a doctor, had people who believed in me much more than I ever believed in myself. And I was crazy enough to believe it. And over time, you know, became a physician but always had this ‘its’ Dr. Berry, that there was something else that was a voice that was waiting to be heard about really the story of my life and how being able to maximize your potential and the way people tapped into my potential so that I can eventually become more than I ever thought I could. And even, you know, try to excel to become more, really try to convey that message to other people, man. And I've been blessed to have some success in a lot of different areas. You know, I served as the assistant team physician for the Dallas Mavericks for multiple years. Radio is something that's been a passion of mine as I've been on ESPN radio as a cohost for them on a show that we do here in the Dallas area. And you know, I'll do some speaking, bestselling author and all that stuff. Don't really talk like talking a whole lot about that. But I do bring it up only to let people know what's possible. That's really the only reason I do it. Dr. Berry: I mean, sometimes Dr. Brad you gotta let people know you're not playing out here too. You know, I mean, because sometimes people don't respect the amount of work you put in, right? Until you start you know, listing out the CV out, right? Sometimes we got to list to CV and I'm a 100% champion for listing the CV out when need be. Dr. Brad Bellard: Oh listen, some time, you've got to check folks. Just so they know who they talking to and you know when I get that feeling, yeah. Every now and then I gotta put a couple of pointers out there and some reminders. But for the most part, man, me, dude, I'm just a chill dude trying to make people more successful in the field than they are now. Dr. Berry: So what do I want to talk about? Because I'm very interested in all that amazing stuff you do. When we talk about peak performance coaching, when was that time in your life when you knew that you know what I needed to make this direction shift. I'm not sure if it was a turn im not sure it was a change, but I just needed to go in this direction. And then how did you end up becoming the peak performance coach? Because I think Lunch and Learn community, I really want them to kind of get ahold of, right? Especially because we’re in July. Right? And I know we’re in July, but depending on when you listen to this, a lot of y'all talked about New Year's resolutions in January.  So I know a lot of time this is when those New Year's resolutions, you know, people stop talking about it. People stop bringing it up. Right? So I kind of want to know what was your transition, when you say, when you realize, oh I needed to do something more. Because I think you kind of alluded to it, like I was doing okay but I wasn't 100% fulfilled. And then when you say, you know what, I'm going to take this mantle and drive people to not only drive myself, but then now I'm going to turn around and drive others. Dr. Brad Bellard: Yup. Yeah. So first of all, you talk about those New Year's resolutions, man. There was a study that came out recently that showed that about 80% of people before February hits already dropped the resolution. So you gave a lot of people a little more of a time. And I know they might be dropping off now, let me tell you something. If they stuck with it until now, they're probably gonna stick with it. But before, a lot of people that happen about five, six months ago. But no, man you know, so I believe everyone's present and future in some way connected to their past. So really it just comes down to my story. You know, when I was younger, my brother was a large motivating force in my life. He was at the time an entrepreneur and he was trying to get a business started. And so he had people in his life that were pouring into him about how to see yourself, how to have a better self-image, how to succeed in these success based principles. And my brother was 12 years older than me, so he directly kind of fed that into me. And I was just kinda, you know, all ears. And at the time I was a young athlete trying to play basketball and I would apply these principles. And so I started seeing that these things work because unfortunately I just didn't get this from my home, nothing against my parents. They were just, they didn't speak life into us like that.  Dr. Berry: Do you sometimes find it is that they don't know how or the foundation isn’t there to be able to build and teach those methods just aren't there for them? Dr. Brad Bellard: I firmly believe, at least my parents. I think most parents, they want to try to do the best they can for their children, but they're ignorant to how it works. And when I say ignorant, not in a bad way, but they just literally lack the knowledge of what it takes. No one poured into them into that way. So how would they just wake up one day and be able to share with me principles of success or being able to believe in myself or be able to believe that things are possible. So, you know, they did their best and I'm grateful for that. But you know, my story from early on was a story of one in which people believed in me much more than I ever believed in myself. And you know, I'm a hard headed, I guess it never really started sticking until later in life that I would look back and look and be like, you know, I actually did pretty good in that area. Maybe I can apply this to other areas of life. And so the same thing happened in college. I mean, I could've swore I was gonna fail College. I mean, I just knew I was gonna fail. My first semester in college I was so fearful. It really forced me to study because I was so fearful. I was gonna fail and I did well. And it was one of those things like wow, those realizations. Like, man, if I apply myself, I'll do well. And again, I just had people, dude, I mean, I'm so blessed because there was a professor I had who just saw more than me. And then she invited me to try to be a part of extracurricular activities. And I was like, why does she keep talking to me? Why does she keep trying to include me in all of this stuff? And I'm so grateful now because she saw something in me. And so that led to speaking for the first time in college. And I remember I dressed about four to 500 people in it. And something happened right there, man. And I said, you know, I've got to do something with this. But I went along my career in medicine and successfully graduated from medical school. And then, you know, became a doctor. What happened was, despite the fact that I've successfully achieved, you know, what I wanted to do in my professional career, I found myself and what most people would consider successful in life, you know what I mean? I mean, I'm a doctor, I had started a little small home business. I wasn't fulfilled dude. And I couldn't figure it out. I was like, why? Why am I still, why do I feel like is this it? It's like, I actually got to where I wanted to go and I'm like, this is it. Dr. Berry: You know that's very interesting because when you talk about from an outward appearance, the degrees were there, the business was there, the business is doing well, but on the inside it was like, something's not 100% right. Like I'm not 100% but happy. And that's a very interesting perspective because I think a lot of people don't do enough reflection on themselves to realize like, that's probably it. You're missing something and that's why you're not happy like you want to be or in that regards. Dr. Brad Bellard: Well dude, think about it. It's hard taking a look in the mirror and being honest, dude. You know? So when people feel a certain way like that, they feel unfulfilled and I know exactly the feeling because I ignored it for so long that for most people who ignore one or two things is going to happen. They become numb and then they'll just make excuses and then eventually they'll just kind of get stuck where they are and then we won't be able to see a way out. (And more excuses become regret). Yep, that's right. And then the regrets become other excuses to justify why you haven't gone after something else. I try to address why you're dealing with that. So it's hard looking in the mirror. Dude I get it. Like I was there. And you know, I mean at the time I'm thinking like, dude, I put all this work time, money in and you know, listen, med school, ain’t cheap Dr. Berry, you know it. Starting business ain't cheap. So you know, I'm sitting here like, why do I feel like this? And so, you know, I get that, not wanting to reflect because reflection hurts, but growth requires reflection. It has to, because if you can't recognize and be aware of where you are now, there's no way you can kind of say, well, where do I want to go? I don't want to fix this. (I love it). But to answer your question, so it got to a point to where I was struggling with two things. One, I was unfulfilled. Two, I knew I was actually under achieving, people say under achieving?  Dr. Berry: Interesting, okay. Alright. Hey, Lunch and Learn community, you gonna see my eyebrow, hold on, alright. Dr. Brad Bellard: But here's the deal. We all have this personal gauge of how whether we know we're actually living up to our potential. When you look in the mirror, whether you're doing what you can or whether you're falling short. And so because I kinda got stuck in a rut, I really wasn't trying to advance my practice. I really wasn't advancing my business. It all looked good again on outside looking in. But I became so frustrated. It all came to a point where I was like, I've got to change. I've got to do something. And to be a hundred percent honest with you, man, I wasn't doing what I needed to do spiritually. I wasn't doing what I needed to do as a husband, as a father, as a doctor. I was trying to figure out what my purpose. I didn't know. I mean, I was like, because obviously what I did here in my career was not scratching it, so to speak, to try to figure out, man, is this it? What else am I going to do? I got fed up man. And that frustration and pain led me to really, really invest in myself and figure out what I needed to do to take things to another level. For me, one, I had to discover my purpose and two, I really had to start applying a lot of those success principles, those faith based success principles in my life. And when I started doing that with the help of other people in my life, people, coaches, mentors, I started to see things changed in a drastic way because of that. You know, like I said, I've been blessed to have some success. I said I have to pay this forward. It is not a question I'm obligated for people who were where I was, you know, man, is this it? What am I doing? I'm a successful professional, but like I'm stuck. Now I gotta wear the mask in front of everybody else because I just got to do it, right? But internally they're like, dude, how did I get to where I am now? And I'm still stuck. I don't know what's next. I know there's more to life. I know I want more. I just don't really know how to get it. And you know, I've been able to develop some systems and tools to be able to help people do that. So that's really how the whole peak performance started was I was like, dude, let me go back and look at what I did, really define it and turn it into a way that I can voice clearly to people with my help. How to start living a life of purpose and peak performance. Dr. Berry: I love it. This is what they need to hear. Like I said, the 80% of people fell off in February. (That’s right). Maybe if they heard something like this in February, you know, they'd still be around in July. Right? (That’s right). I think, and it sounds like that's a very big motivator for you, right? Like getting, you know, people to really turn their goals into reality, right? And really pushing it because if it worked for you and I think it was interesting because you talked about a mass and I think a lot of times when we talk about people wearing masks, sometimes they don't realize that successful people do it too. And I say successful in quotes because success is usually, you know, an outwardly appearance, the degrees, the money, that's all they usually can draw from because they don't really know what’s going on the inside. Dr. Brad Bellard: Well look, I'll say this, if you know you're wearing the mask and you know, internally something's hurting, that's actually a good thing. Here's what's scary is when you're wearing a mask and you don't even know it, and you'll know what I mean by this. We're both physicians. Somebody has got hypertension, they don't feel hypertension. You can't feel hypertension. I guess what? You can't be like, Oh man, my blood pressure's just hurting me right now. You'll do that. But guess what? It's killing you on the inside. And so if you're aware enough to know that something's not right, like dude, you know, I'm just not where I want to be being 100%. That's a good thing. It's just time to address it really. And I'm here to let you know, number one, it's possible to achieve what you want. And number two does a way to do it and three, there's someone here to help you do that. You know what motivates me, man? (Talk to me, let’s go). Here's the deal. So many times we want better for ourselves and I get it. Dude, that's big. That might be like an initial self-motivated. That was probably my initial motivator. Like, dude, I'm going to do something. I'll start. I'm going to do something. What motivates me now and what will create lasting motivation and service? Dude, there are people out there who are currently right now where I was years ago where I'm like literally gripping my head, trying to figure out I am not where I need to be. So it's more trying to find those people and it's my personal obligation to serve. And find those people because if I can get in front of those people and help them, well then I've done my part, but see it's not about me anymore. And when you get to that point in anything that you're doing, which I encourage people to find whatever that is for you. Find something that's big enough in your life that if you don't do it because somebody else will suffer or someone else will suffer because you don't do what you're supposed to do. That is a motivator. We'll let ourselves down almost a hundred percent of the time. We know somebody is, oh dude, but we know somebody else is relying on us and you're not doing what you're supposed to do. That hurts. So yeah, that gives me up, man.  Dr. Berry: Definitely a good point here. What do you think stops people? What do you think, in your history of your career, the people you work with, what do you think stops most people from really achieving what they really want? Because we talk a lot, right? In January we're hype. (Yup). But what happens in February? What happens in March? Now people fall off so much. Right. What's been your thing that you've run into like often over and over and over again? Dr. Brad Bellard: One word, man. Belief. I'll keep it real simple. And you could just, you and all the listeners, man, I can just let this marinate. If you believe you could do it, you'd be doing it or you would have done it already. (I love it). Let me think about it. If you really, really, really thought you could start that business, you would have already pulled the trigger. That would not have been an excuse. We were talking before this about me podcast and for some reason as a belief issue of why I haven't taken action to actually start my own podcast. I do all the other stuff and it really, I mean there's no excuse for me because I've got so much content and stuff out there. Dr. Berry: And Lunch and Learn community, I'm telling you, he got so much. Like don't have to do a new thing for nothing. He can just, I'm just going to take this idea from here. I'm going to take this out from here and he probably has a couple months’ worth of stuff right now. Dr. Brad Bellard: Oh dude, almost a year's worth of stuff. And so you know, here's what you'll find is pure honesty from me. I'm not perfect. So when I'm telling you about something that you know, so you asked me like what stops people? Saying stuff that stops other people, the same stuff that stops me. The thing is I become so aware of what it is now that I can talk about it and I've been able to say, okay, well it belief is the issue really with intention. Use that to my advantage and believe something to turn the goals and the wants and the desires into reality. But what stops people man, is that there's a belief issue. Most people don't want to believe that, but it's the reality man. I mean, you know, if you believed a hundred percent you can do, you'd already be doing it all.  Dr. Berry: I love it. And you've talked before especially about achieving goals, right? And you've given tips like this. Again, like I said, I followed Dr. Brad on IG, on Facebook, on YouTube, and on the blog. And he's talked about three tips for achieving goals, which I love. And I really want him to kind of, you know, it really hit home, especially for you guys who are in the middle or in the beginning or are starting or towards the end of your health journey, whatever that is, right? And he talks about these three tips as far as achievement and goals, right? Number one is eliminating excuses. And I love that. I love the elimination of excuses because I find that a lot of us, you know, we, they come out of nowhere. And when sometimes we make up our own excuses. We don't even give people time to like, well, that's the reason why you ain't doing it because of this. Like we have our own excuses kind of get away. The elimination of excuses like it sounds easy, right? (Oh dude, sounds too simple). How have you helped people eliminate excuses? Honestly, what are some of the funniest excuses of you've heard in the past that like, come on man?  Dr. Brad Bellard: I could have you rolling on my own excuses, man. You know what I’m saying? I mean we thought about this podcast, let's start there. I've got all the tools and everything in the world. Just start a podcast and I have it. Ultimately, people want change. But there are three things that, or pretty much mandatory that I've seen to really kind of take big picture to achieve change, to have transformation, achieve your goal, however you want to label that. One is mindset. In that mindset, and that's a big word. But like, you know, positive mindset. (Especially because a lot of us have negative ones). We have negative mindset. So mindset, under that mindset is belief. So really your internal thoughts. So let's just say mindset – one. Second is clarity. I think people, most people don't know what they want. They know they want something different, but I don't know if they know what they want and you can't really start moving. You can start moving away from something, but to really be purpose driven and get to what you want, you have to then start moving towards something but people don't know what that is. So clarity or vision. And then the third thing is you got to have people, man. I thought for the longest time I could do things on my own and that was one of my roadblocks. I'm just going to wake up and be able to just do this stuff. But you need people and there's various types of people you need. You need someone who's, you need people around you. You need your tribe of people who are going to encourage you. You need a mentor or coach or somebody who's been there already to now guide you along the way. Dude, there’s a Harvard study that showed that 95% of where you'll be in there, your results in life is as a result of the people who around. 95%, this is a Harvard study. So you telling me you don't need people, you want to continue to be like, I wasn't a pastor, I don't need people. I don't need a coach. I don't need a mentor. You know what ads put my prior to the side dude, because I wanted more out of life. And so that's really what it is, requires mindset, clarity and people. And that in a big picture will really help people to get what they want. That'll help them eliminate excuses and to do anything else. If you'd look big picture, that's what it is. Now I'm here to let people know I'm a person that can help you to do the other two things, which is the mindset and the clarity. So yeah. Dr. Berry: Your second tip was having a strong why? Why is that so important? Why is it so important for a person who wants to achieve their goals to like really have a strong why? Dr. Brad Bellard: You’ll quit. You'll quit, dude. You know, you gotta eliminate excuses. You've got to have a strong one. I mean, and I know what you're talking about, you know, to achieve any goal, do you got to be able to eliminate excuses. You got to have a strong one. Look man, if being excited about something is only going to last so long, dude. Because at some point you're going to get punched in the mouth. You're going to  get punched in the gut. And the question is, is what I'm going after worth getting up and feeling that again. Because you may. (Okay). That why has to be, dude, it's gotta be deep enough to get up again man. You modify, bless your listeners right now. (Please do). Dude, there's a book that is called Start with Why by a guy named Simon Sinek. It was one of the books that changed my life. I've got about 10 books or so that have just been, you know, those game changers in life, right? It's called Start with Why. And he talks in that book about companies that have not just like extra ordinary companies, companies like where do you like this company or not? You can't deny they've done well and created a following and community, but it was Apple. They talk about big time companies and how they did that and how you can relate that start starting with why to your life to be able to achieve more, be more, do more. And when I saw how powerful the power of why is man, I said I need to know the reason why I'm doing almost everything in my life. If I can't give a reason of why I'm doing something with intention, maybe I don't need to be doing it or maybe I need to figure out why, why I'm doing it instead of just living haphazard, man. Dr. Berry: I love it. Okay. Alright. And I see, listen I told you. I told you we learn it today and obviously for those who may be driving, you know, listen to wherever you're listening to, I will make sure all of the links that Dr. Brad talks about will be in the show notes as well too. So you don't have to like scary down there. Right? Because I’ll make sure we have a link to that as well. The last time we talked about a solution based mentality. What’s that?  Dr. Brad Bellard: It's the difference between when, so solution. In order to have a solution there's got to be a problem. I think we can all agree like in order to have a solution that means that you're solving a problem. So by means problems are inevitable in our lives, but there's a difference between when a problem comes and immediately saying there's no answer to it or having the solution based mentality where you say, okay how can we fix this? It's the question of how, how can, when you start to ask yourself questions like that, the mind opens up to a possibility of how it can happen. I mean just as recent as the other day I was talking to my wife and she's out of town and she has some car trouble and so she went, got it checked out and it was a certain amount of money and she was like, you know, what are we going to do? I said, well hold on, hold on. How can we figure this out? As soon as you start to think that you start to think of possibilities. But if something happens and you immediately like, dude we're done. We can't do anything. Possibility has been ended. When you're on your way toward any goal, if you're trying to achieve anything in life, there's going to be problems. I can assure there's going to be obstacles and when it happens you have to say, how can I move around this? How can I, because it will empower you to think about things that you didn't ordinarily think about before. Once you are presented with it. But don't just write off any other possibilities because at that point you'll stop. Dr. Berry: That makes so much sense. Once you've come with that initial thought like, oh my God, this can't be done. Your brain is not going to even think about other ways that it possibly could be done because you've already quit before the race even started.  Dr. Brad Bellard: Dude questions just in general or is this big? I mean you start asking yourself questions. That's, you know, you talked about self-reflection, like being able to reflect. A lot of that is just asking yourself questions. I mean one of the biggest questions I ask people is, what do you want? Like, I mean that's a big question Dr. Berry. But most of us, I don't think we think that we can get it. So you talk about beliefs, that's why we don't even address what we want because it's like, well I kinda gotta go to work. I kinda got to do this. Like okay, I get that. But what do you want when you really site people what they want, that's when you can start moving towards something because you can define what you want. That's that clarity piece I was talking about earlier.  Dr. Berry: I don't think it will be complete. Right? Especially in the space of, you know, helping people achieve their goals and talking about the goals, you know, that they have. Right? Without talking about the aspect of failure and you do talk a lot about failure and really the fear of it. But most importantly you're talking about like how do you get over that, right? If you guys, like you said, I think that failure is kind of rooted in their belief, right? Some people believe the failure before they believe their goal.  Dr. Brad Bellard: Dude, failure is so powerful. Think about it. If you have a goal that's something that you want to do, oftentimes the fear of failure will stop you from taking an action toward it. I mean, think about it. Our Egos are so fragile, to get hurt. No, this is real. Our egos, (Talk to them). No, no, no. I'm talking to me too, man. Our egos are so fragile and we don't want to feel the pain of not achieving something that we don't even have yet. That we don't even, we don't even like, it's not like we're losing something, but we're trying to go after something. You ain't even have it. I'm not even going to go after what is this, that and the other half. But you ain't have it yet. Like we're so concerned of how we will feel when we fail that we won't even move. Dr. Berry: As you can see my face because I'm like, yo, yo, he hit me right there. Yeah. It's a lot of us who are walking around. Like you say, we won't even start the race because we're already thinking about, oh, happens if I fail going towards the end of the track.   Dr. Brad Bellard: You know, what are people gonna think? What's going to happen? People will think, let me tell you, they'll probably think things that you even have in mind of what they're gonna think, you know? So that's where we go back to that why question is whatever you're going after. Is it worth it? Is it really worth it? Sometimes fear, like I was talking about before, you know, I was so fearful that I was going to fail. It really pushed me to go. Sometimes it can be a push, but if you're so fearful that you're not taking action, that's when it becomes a problem. We're all gonna face fear. The question is this, what are you going to do when it happens? Are you gonna have a healthy response to fear? Fear is part of life. But oftentimes we are factored in as opinion. So there's fact, okay, there is a fact that maybe you failed a test or a fact that maybe you didn't make money in this first business. That's fact. Your opinion of the fact that you'll never be able to do it again is not real. So then it becomes that fear is now a choice. You choose fear. Danger is real. Danger is real. Dude, look, if a lion comes up in this room right now, like I'm feel like I'm in danger, like yes, I will. It's time to run. I'm fearful because I'm in danger. But starting that business ain't nothing going on. I mean, what's gonna happen to you? It's not like you're going to have a heart attack, you know? It's not like you're gonna, so now it's a choice. So you've gotta be able to, to address it and know that it's there and then deal with it in a healthy fashion. Dr. Berry: Amazing. And again, like I said, touched on, and I love the fact that a lot of us that you talked on are, a lot of us are choosing, right? Where we're choosing fear, we're choosing this fear of failure and we're not even starting, right? Because again, that that fear is going to be there. We expected to be there and for yourself, it actually helped push you forward and motivate you towards your goal. But for some, unfortunately, maybe again, you say 80%, wow that 80%,  I've been thinking about that number this whole time like wow 80% really drops off by February. Wow. A lot of us like have chosen I, this is the route I'm going. You know what? I know I was hype in January, but I'm good on that now. I'll see y'all next January. Dr. Brad Bellard: Let me talk about resolutions for a minute. Again, I just want to bless the people who are here because I get it man. Like people, I think most of us have goals now. I think most of us have things that we want to do. We may not say the word goals because it might scare some people because they know if they failed, then they know they fail. They're going out and go. But we have things that we want to do. Let's just put it that way. If you don't, people will go to the gym. Let's just take weight loss for a second. Say, man, you know I'm going to lose. I want to lose 20 pounds. And so they'll start putting in action. Like I'm going to go to the gym, I'm gonna put all these actions. But the one thing they miss is mentally being there before they ever get there. So you have to have a self-image of having lost 20 pounds already to be able to continue moving. You know, we are where we are right now because we had an image of ourselves at some point in our life to be here now or else we wouldn't be the people that we are. I mean that's just how it works. So if you want to lose that weight, believe you've already lost it before you even start. But you know that takes work. That takes the, it takes exercise, it takes mental exercise just like it does physical exercise to get there. But it's the mental exercise that people don't implement, which is why after two weeks is too hard and is just, you know what, I'm not going to go to the gym anymore. Dr. Berry: Oh I love it. Dr. Brad you have really put a charge, not only Lunch and Learn community, but also myself. Like I was, I said, you know what? Maybe I can go and do this thing too. Like maybe, because now I'm like, wow, this is something I was holding myself back. Even though, I know especially Lunch and Learn community they talk all the time like “ Dr. Berry what else can you do?” I don't want to limit myself. I love this process of going through the steps, right? Going through the steps of recognizing I want to do something different. Recognize it. Alright. These are some of the steps that may hinder me, but because I know my why, I'm going to keep moving forward. And yes, that monster of failure in the shadow, but I'm not gonna let that monster stop me from getting to work. Right? So first of all, thank you for such an amazing educational lesson. Like I said, we are definitely hype. and you were definitely person Like, yeah, I gotta make sure I get him on a show because I don't know if people realize how amazing this guy is. So I said, let's get him on one way or the other. Dr. Brad Bellard: Well, I'll tell you Dr. Berry. One of the things that I love that you say is empower yourself for better health. I think so oftentimes some of our patient base, they look to us for all the answers. And we can have answers, but we can't result for you. You know what I'm saying? I can't result for you. I can't get your blood pressure down. I'm an educator and I and I will educate you and guide you, but I can't do the work. Now what I like about most of our patients that come in to see us. When I say us, doctors like you and myself, is that, yes they're taking an active role by seeing a doctor. But if you're saying, hey listen, you know, we've got to get your blood pressure down, that's a goal. And so they need to be empowered. And I love the fact that you are creating content to empower people to ultimately hit their health goals. Your health is important. And so thank you for this podcast, dude. Thank you for having me. I hope that what I'm talking about here will help the community of listeners who listen to you and be empowered and take the information and knowledge that you're giving them, including what I'm giving them. To be better patients so that they can be better people so they can have better health. You know what I mean? But you're doing exactly that, man. You're empowering people. But I challenge everybody who's listening to this to take the information. (Let’s go). Yeah. So take the information that Dr. Berry's talking about and let's use it. See, he doesn't provide this content just because he likes hearing himself talk. Okay. I mean we want to create change. So we challenge you to take this information so that you can hit your health goals. So then you can take back control of your health, which is another thing that he says is take back control. We can only do so much, but in our passion and in our purpose, we deliver this information. But there's going to be up to you to take action so that you can have a better life. And listen, at the end of the day, it's worth it. I mean, what is it going to feel like to be able to, to not have to be on the medication anymore? What's it gonna feel like to lose the weight? The knees feel better? What is going to feel like to be able to wake up knowing that heck, you just achieved your goal of losing 10 pounds? What's it going to feel like to be able to know that you're serving as a phenomenal example for your family and others around you of what to do? We talked about 95% of who we become is a matter of who's around us. Seeing what we don't oftentimes understand is the decisions we make for our own health is having a profound, maybe more drastic effect on those people around us. Your family, your friends. (Oh, yes). Whether you're a grandparent, parent or just a friend of someone you serve in some kind of way. Whenever you make decisions on your health on a daily basis because there are around you. So realize it's not about you. It's not always about you but the decisions you make more have effect on other people around you. So I challenge you guys to listen to what Dr. Berry says. Apply it. And I mean, dude, you're a blessing dude. So I appreciate you. Dr. Berry: Must appreciate them. Amazing words and we'll definitely make sure we get that written down somewhere so we can post that on IG. So cool. Before you go, and because I have such amazing guests and it's amazing. I'm in a circle that, especially a circle of physicians who are not only killing it in health, but we're just killing it in general, right? Like I always, I always leave this time say, alright, Dr. Brad, please tell the people what are you doing? Please tell them, you know, books, courses, whatever you have so they can be connected to who Dr. Brad is and they can see why Dr. Berry feels like Dr. Brad's so amazing. What's going on right now? Talk about the book, talk about the… let's go. Dr. Brad Bellard: Yeah, man. Listen. I'm extremely excited. Like I said, my passion is all driven towards service man and trying to get people to a place to where they really can maximize their professional and a personal potential via faith-based principles so that they can achieve more success and fulfillment. That fulfillment word is really big. So everything I do is really centered upon that in terms of things that I do as a peak performance coach outside of my practice. So I've got a book, I've got a bestselling book called Elite: A Modern Success Guide to Purpose and Peak Performance. And it literally serves as a guide for people who are looking to achieve more, be more and live more. So we've got the book. We talked about three things earlier that everybody needs to some sort of transformation, mindset, vision and people, that's MVP. So I've got something I'm extremely excited about. You know, a lot of people are kind of pulling from me here, there to work with them or coach to help them hit their goals. What's really cool is I'm creating a membership so that people can literally have access to me month to month to learn and implement a habit that will help them become the person that they always want it to be and sustain it over time. So I'm literally going to be your accountability partner. I'll be the person who coach you. I'll be the person who encourages you on a month to month basis as being a member of the MVP nation. So that's going to be rolling out really, really soon. And then, you know, I do some speaking man, people can always check us out. You can follow me at Dr. Brad MD. That's D, R, B, R, A, D, M, D. Even in my sports medicine practice we're doing some big things on the radio or in there. So I had that earlier this morning. So today's kind of been a media day. Dr. Berry: I love it. Media day. I’m proud of media. Dr. Brad Bellard: There was media day, man. So check out what we got on there. Should I talk to him about the free video? (Talk to them. Let’s go). Yeah. So listen man, I got a heart to give. So for anybody who's looking to turn their goal, talk about goals here, people who might have some health goals, any goal that you have. If you're trying to create that goal into reality, I've created a free video. It is literally free. Like it's not like this dude is like talking crazy like no, it's free, it's free. And so it's a video training. It's about a little less than 10 minutes long and it's called the Results Formula. And so I talk about that results formula and how you can apply it to your life. And that's at www.resultswithdrbradmd.com. I'm sure you'll put it on the notes (Definitely. Go ahead). And if you go there… Dr. Berry: In fact, Lunch and Learn community, If you text Dr. Brad MD at 44222 I will make sure that links directly to you. Dr. Brad Bellard: Man. Dude, Dr. Barry, man. Look man, it's been a pleasure man. We have to chop it up some more just offline. Dr. Berry: Yes, yes. I'll tell them about the bread aisle before we started. I was like, hey man, I've been waiting to talk to you. There's certain people that you just see their energy and you're like, okay, yeah, this one. Yeah, he's gonna be a problem, right? A good problem, of course. This one right here. Let me keep an eye on this one right here. Tell you Lunch and Learn community, I follow him on YouTube. We're going to get him to do his podcast. We already got on him.  Dr. Brad Bellard: Yeah. The accountability has come. I feel it now. I gotta I gotta get up out there man. And you're going to be on that podcast. We'll just go here and get ready. Dr. Berry: Love it. And again, I follow on YouTube and make sure when you follow him on YouTube, make sure you hit the little notification bell. So you know, every time a new video pops up, you knew it. When is your, Tuesdays and I'm an eastern standard time so I don't want to say the wrong time. Dr. Brad Bellard: Yeah. On my Facebook fan page and even on my personal page, I do something called Tuesday topics with Dr. Brad is where I deliver a lot of content to help people maximize their potential. And so that's at 7:00 AM central standard time. So that is 8:00 AM your time. Dr. Berry: Okay, perfect. So if you think about the amazing stuff that he gives you for free, just imagine you know what's in that membership site. I just want you to like, like again, he didn't even cut me a check. Right? I'm just telling you the amazing stuff that he gives away for free. When you talk about achievement, when you talk about goals and fears and just personal growth. And if he's given it for free, I can only imagine what's in his membership site.   Dr. Brad Bellard: Dude, I'm so excited about this. Like I said, because it's hard for me to do what I do on a one on one. It's only so much time in the day. But being able to really bless the masses but still serve as that as that coach from. Oh man, I do, I literally cannot wait until I launch this. My guess, it's probably going to be toward the end of this month, beginning of next month. Dr. Berry: Can’t wait. And honestly one of the reasons why I even did the podcast, because I was like, yeah, I could talk to a person one on one in the clinic, but I want to talk to people, right? I know more people need to hear what I'm saying. So that's why I'm definitely a fan of the membership site because unfortunately, you know, we're not making more time. Right? We only got 24 hours on a day. We're getting pulled in so many different directions that you sometimes will, I don't want to say do a disservice, right? Well, if you're only focusing on one person. You're not able to help the 20 people who maybe in New York and in Florida, in Montana, and all these other different places because you're just situated in one spot. So definitely excited. Please let us know when this membership site goes up so we can let the Lunch and Learn community get on that ASAP. Dr. Brad Bellard: Will do, man, I will do. Dr. Berry, man. I'm telling you, it was a blessing. It's an honor. Anytime somebody to say, look to do that, I'd love to talk to you more and more importantly, dude, I mean to be invited to address your audience of listeners. That's literally an honor, man. So I love what you're doing. You blessing folks, dude. Your impact is probably more than you realize. I told you that already before we got on. Your impact even on me just seeing what you're doing has been significant, man. So I hope the people who are listening to this know just how significant you are and your information as far so keep doing it, man.  Dr. Berry: Appreciate that. You have a great one. Dr. Brad Bellard: Alright, brother.     Download the MP3 Audio file, listen to the episode however you like.

Let's Talk about Mental Health Therapy... On this week's episode of the Lunch and Learn with Dr. Berry we have Dr. Joy Harden Bradford, who is a Licensed Psychologist, Speaker, Media Personality, and the host of the wildly popular mental health podcast, Therapy for Black Girls. This week Dr. Joy lends her expertise to help teach the Lunch and Learn Community about the importance of therapy, how to know when therapy is right for you and helps us fight off the misconceptions with therapy. We also get to talk a bit of shop with Dr. Joy about the origin and motivation for Therapy for Black Girls, some of the hurdles she faced along her way what keeps her going on to the next venture. Remember to subscribe to the podcast and share the episode with a friend or family member. Listen on Apple Podcast, Google Play, Stitcher, Soundcloud, iHeartRadio, Spotify Sponsors: Lunch and Learn Community Online Store (code Empower10) Pierre Medical Consulting (If you are looking to expand your social reach and make your process automated then Pierre Medical Consulting is for you) Dr. Pierre's Resources - These are some of the tools I use to become successful using social media Links/Resources: Therapy for Black Girls Directory- therapyforblackgirls.com/directory Therapy for Black Girls Shop - therapyforblackgirls.com/shop The Yellow Couch Collective (YCC) - therapyforblackgirls.com/ycc Social Links: Join the lunch and learn community - https://www.drpierresblog.com/joinlunchlearnpod Follow the podcast on Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/lunchlearnpod Follow the podcast on twitter - http://www.twitter.com/lunchlearnpod - use the hashtag #LunchLearnPod if you have any questions, comments or requests for the podcast For More Episodes of the Lunch and Learn with Dr. Berry Podcasts https://www.drpierresblog.com/lunchlearnpodcast/ If you are looking to help the show out Leave a Five Star Review on Apple Podcast because your ratings and reviews are what is going to make this show so much better Share a screenshot of the podcast episode on all of your favorite social media outlets & tag me or add the hashtag.#lunchlearnpod Introduction Dr. Berry: And welcome everybody to another episode of the Lunch and Learn with Dr. Berry. I’m your host, Dr. Berry Pierre, your favorite Board Certified Internist. Founder of Pierre Medical Consulting, helping you empower yourself for better health with the number one podcast for patient advocacy here on Lunch and Learn with yours truly, Dr. Berry. And today we bring you a special guest on a special topic. For those who have been rock with me from pretty much way back when, you know that a big thing with me has always been mental health and the importance of mental health especially on the total body health wise. Because I talked, I say this all the time that, you know, I can give you all the medications I want. I can, prescribe all the regimens I can, but I understand that if I don't make sure your mental health is in order, it's not going to matter. Right? Like your blood pressure isn't going to be controlled. Your diabetes isn't going to be controlled and mentally just aren't there to want to take control of those things. Right? So I always stress mental health and of course, obviously my wife's being a therapist, makes me a little bit biased, but I truly believe that the importance of getting our mental health together is paramount and I think that's why they dedicate a whole month, especially depending on when you're listening to this episode, a whole month, a mental health awareness and just really understanding that there’s stigma, understanding that there's help and I knew I could not do this episode any justice, right? I thought bringing someone who not only specializes in mental health, but it has really taking that to the next level with the formation of an entire directory of podcasts, books, everything under the sun, kind of related to the brand in mental health. So this episode we have Dr. Joy Harden Bradford who is a licensed psychologist. She's a speaker, media personality and of course, the host of the popular mental health podcast - Therapy for Black Girls. Her work focuses on making mental health topics more relevant and accessible for black women and specializes in creating spaces for black women to have a fuller and healthier relationship with themselves along with some others. And she's been featured almost everywhere. She's been featured on the Oprah magazine, Forbes, Bustle, Black Enterprise, Teen Vogue, Refinery29, Essence magazine. She currently lives in Atlanta, Georgia now with her husband and two sons. So it's definitely a guest of honor and you know, one that I've admired for the past couple of years. So of course, when this topic came up, a mental health and we were going on and deciding like, hey, who could really, you know, bring the extra off to Lunch and Learn community. The list was very short and of course she was on top of it. Right. So again, get ready for another amazing episode here on Lunch and Learn with Dr. Berry. If you have not had a chance, make sure you subscribe to the podcast. Leave a 5-star review and obviously tell a friend to tell a friend that, hey, we're talking about mental health, we're talking about therapy. We're talking about getting ourselves together if you want in this new year, like the way it needs to end. Right? Thank you and have a blessed day. Episode Dr. Berry: Alright, Lunch and Learn community again you heard an amazing introduction from person who I've admired from afar and I even got a chance to admire her close. Actually a friend of my wife's and I was able to kind of sneak in from association, definitely thankful you know for to talk about such an important topic. Of course I'm biased. Mental health is one of the essential things in medicine in general that I know. You know if you’re mental healthy together, it'll matter what I do with your blood pressure, no matter what I do with your cholesterol, diabetes. If your mental health ain't there, it's always going to be a problem. And of course, my wife being mental therapist, make sure she presses that bias and make sure I'm always on my p's and q's, as we celebrate this month, mental health awareness month. I said, you know what, we had a short list of names of people we wanted to get in and get on the show and kind of talk and educate Lunch and Learn community on such an important topic. And I think everyone, again, when you're doing your wellness exams, you know, I think that should be one of the first questions which actually. And now that it's starting to become now for a lot of different reasons, but well, can talk about that later. Dr. Joy thank you for joining this episode of the Lunch and Learn. Dr. Joy Harden Bradford: Thank you so much for having me Dr. Berry. Dr. Berry: Dr. Joy when we talk about mental health and, and I've talked about it ad nauseum, the show in general. Because you know, I believe and is important. And again, like I said, my wife's a therapist so you know, she definitely makes sure she stresses it on me. But as an outpatient clinical physician, as an inpatient clinical physician and I see that the different ranges of what happens when it's not put together. And again, for those who are in Lunch and Learn community, again, May is mental health awareness month. I know you guys love facts, right? So of course we're going to, you kind of hit you with a lot of home facts. But again, I really want to make sure we really kind of pay attention to who that on the show, because again, this is, you know, a special person definitely in our eyes, especially when it come to the topic of mental health awareness. So Dr. Joy before we get into all that, you know, I talked a little bit about you in your bio, but could you explain to people, you know, Lunch and Learn community who you are, why you do the things that you do and why you're so amazing? Dr. Joy Harden Bradford: Yeah. Well thank you for that opportunity. I always appreciate a chance to share more about what I'm good I got going on. So I am a licensed psychologist in Georgia. Most of my career has been working in college mental health, which I still have a very soft spot in my heart for because I love college students and still have a few of them in my practice. But my job full time now really is the therapy for black girls podcast as well as the therapist directory that is also housed on the therapy for black girls website. So you know, the therapy for black girls’ mission is really to make mental health topics more relevant and accessible for black women and girls. And so all of the content that we put out, all the conversations that we have with our community are centering around helping black women and girls to prioritize their mental health. And so the fact that I get to do this as like my work is like still a surprise to me because it feels like so much fun that I don't even consider it work sometimes. Dr. Berry: I love it. Again we're definitely gonna dedicate a good portion on just the therapy for black girl because I like, I'm so amazed, a mission. But I'm pretty sure when you first started, like I said, we will talk about it. Like when you first started doing probably wasn't a mission that was well traveled, pressure you will probably the first to do it. So I definitely can't wait to kind of get in to talk about specifically, you know, that therapy for black girls and just that brand and that imprint in general. When we talk about mental health awareness month guys and Lunch and Learn community, again, I know you guys love facts, right? So we're just gonna give you some unfortunate, right? And I hate these, have these facts, unfortunate facts that are out there that really kind of drive home the point why we need to have a whole month. And really, like I said, every month, like I said, for every disease that has this month, it really is a 12-month thing. But you know, you got to celebrate when you celebrate. So from a mental health standpoint, one of five adults in the US will experience some type of mental health condition in a given year, right? That's one in five, about 47 million adults face, you know, mental health illnesses on a daily basis. Right. So again, just from a numbers standpoint, this isn't something that every now and then person may fuss. A lot of people suffer from this disease process in that regards. Half of all lifetime mental health conditions begin at the age of 14 young, like 14 I think about it, think about what we were doing right at the age of 14 right? And to think that a lot of people are experiencing mental health issues even at that early age. Just so we can understand that, again, this isn't something that just affects, you know, when you get out of college and when you hit 18 or when you hit that and when you get out to houses something, you know, you're in middle school and 14 is the middle school age and you're dealing with a lot of these stresses that a moment sure you're not prepared to deal with. Suicide. We talked about suicidal out here as a 10th leading cause of death right here in the United States. And we know about 90% of those who suffer from suicide have some form of mental health illness kind of associated with it. Right? So again, this isn’t, you know, unfortunately, this isn't a one off thing, right? A lot of people suffer from mental health related issues and it really is a big problem. And in that regards, right? So Dr. Joy when we talk about like mental health and you know, the fact that yes, they do say, you know what, let's focus a whole month on it. Right? Like what does that mean for you, especially for your practice as you were kind of coming up along the ranks? Dr. Joy Harden Bradford: Yeah. I think it's really important. Like you said Dr. Berry, that we continue to have this conversations not only in May, but you know, kind of all year long because when you look at those numbers, it's very likely that you, or somebody in your life has struggled with maybe a mental illness in your lives or that you will, right? And so I think a part of what happens during mental health awareness month is that we see lots of conversations about like symptoms and signs to be aware of, which I think is really important because a lot of times people, like the person who is struggling, is not the first person who recognize that something's going on. Right? A lot of times it is the people in our lives who will say, hey, something's going on. You know, she doesn't seem like herself or, you know, it seems like something's different there. And so I do think it's important for people to kind of have a general awareness of like the signs and symptoms of mental illness so that they can intervene in other people's lives or can recognize it by themselves if it comes to that. Dr. Berry: So when we talk about mental health and just making sure we're kind of recognizing and what are some of the things that kind of help kind of motivate you. Right? Especially because as a champion of mental health in the position that you're in, what have been some of the biggest motivation and say, hey guys, we need to wake up especially when we talk about people back. We need to wake up and this isn't really an issue that everyone needs to be like all hands off. Dr. Joy Harden Bradford: Yeah. I think like I mentioned in the beginning, because a lot of my background has been in working on in college counseling centers, I often will be working with, you know, students when they see the first signs of this. Right. So a lot of times they're away from home. They have to be conversations with parents and other loved ones. And so I feel like that has given me a really unique vantage point about what this looks like and how it impacts so many different areas of your lives. I do think it is important to, you know, like I said, to recognize the signs and symptoms as early as you can so that you can get the help that you need. A lot of times, especially for black women, the people are, you know, kind of walking around in silence and really struggling and either don't know that they are struggling with a mental health concern or they don't want to admit it to themselves. And so, you know, especially with the work that I do for Therapy for Black Girls, that's why it's really important for me to make sure that we're having these kinds of conversations and to make sure that people know it's okay to reach out for help if you feel like you're struggling. Dr. Berry: And kind of going, you know, kind of segwaying right on that when we talk about the reaching out for help and someone kind of makes that connections, hey, you know what? I think I have a problem that I need some assistance, right? When we hear the word therapy, right? Especially in the general kind of public sort of thing. Right? What does that kind of mean? Right? Because I think when we hear therapy, I mean a lot of different things for a lot of different people. Dr. Joy Harden Bradford: Yeah, it does. And I don't know that it's always a positive connotation, right? Because usually I think we think about a therapist when there is a crisis, right? So you know, somebody is maybe struggling with like severe depression or they're really anxious or maybe they’re hearing things or they feel suicidal. Like I think in those situations we readily kinda think about a therapist. But I also like to encourage people to think about the fact that a therapist is not just for a crisis situation. In many cases it actually can prevent a crisis situation if you talk to a therapist before we get to the crisis. So at the first signs that you're seeing, you know something's off with your sleep or something's different with your appetite or you're not enjoying things like you used to. Whatever it just kind of feels a little different that can be a great reason to go and talk with the therapist. And therapist can also just give you great information, help you talk through things that are just good for your own personal development. So there are very few things that you couldn't just talk with a therapist about that would likely improve some area of your life. Dr. Berry: I love that. Lunch and Learn community, I hope you caught that, we’re prevention, right? We stress it a lot, right? When we talk about blood pressure, wellness, we stress prevention a lot when it comes to the medical, right? But like again, I want us to really take this show and make sure that we're understanding that our mental health is extremely important. Preventively you should be going to see a therapist before you get to that point, right? But again, before you come see Dr. Berry, right? Before you get the heart attack, hopefully I can give you some blood pressure medications, right? And before you have that mental health breakdown, hopefully, you can see your therapist and try to prevent that. So I love that drive and that goal of prevention, prevention, that even stems into the therapy work. And I know you get this all the time, right? Like what does somebody who's the common misconceptions kind of really associated negatively and maybe even positively with therapy, right? What are some of the issue that you kind of have, the hurdles that you have to kind of go over to get someone to really accept? Dr. Joy Harden Bradford: Yeah, that's a great question Dr. Berry. So one of the biggest ones we just talked about, which is the idea that you only see a therapist in crisis. That's one of the big ones. Another one is, well, how is talking to a therapist different than talking to my friend, right? Like, I have friends who can listen to me and of course your friends may be great and they can be helpful and supportive, but your friends are biased also, right? So they have all this history about you, they know all this stuff about you as opposed to a therapist who is a objective party who only sees you in their office. That's why you don't hang out with your therapist on the weekends and you don't go play golf with your therapist. Their whole reason that there are those boundaries around the therapeutic relationship and so that you can come into the therapist's office and say things that you likely would not tell your friends because of judgment or you know, whatever it is. So you know, in some ways it is like a conversation with your friend. But in a lot of ways, it's very different because we are not in any other area of your life. And we're also bound by confidentiality, right? So how many times have you had the experience of talking to a friend and you tell them don't tell, but then they tell your other best friend anyway, right? That's not going to happen with your therapist, you know? So that's a huge part of our ethical guidelines and a licensed to protect clients is that we don't talk about what's going on in the office with our client, unless it's to keep them safe or keep someone else. So the confidentially piece I think is also huge. Another big misconception I've heard about therapy and I think this one, is particular to like the black community is that if you're struggling with a mental illness that means that you don't have a strong enough faith relationship or you're not believing in God enough. But that does come up a lot. And you know, I'm really encouraged to see so many congregations and faith communities now bringing therapists in to talk to their congregations about how therapy is different from prayer. The whole idea that they don't have to be mutually exclusive. Like you can still talk to your pastor and pray and do all of those things and talk with a therapist. So I'm glad to see that there has been some movement of people realizing that it's not that you don't believe in God enough or that you have a weak faith relationship. Mental illness is an illness just like anything else. So you know when people get diagnosed with cancer, you don't typically hear people say like, Oh, if she would've just prayed harder, you know, she might not have gotten cancer, but you do get those kinds of things about mental illness. And so I really want people to kind of divorce themselves of that belief that mental illness has anything to do with your faith relationship. Dr. Berry: Yeah, you definitely, you touched on a lot of points there. One where I think, where your friends become that family council, right? A lot of people are placing a lot of burden and sometimes your friends don't even want that burden, right? Like you guys a piece in a lot of burden and stress when you tell your problems to your friends and family members, but they're not really even equipped to kind of deal with it. Right? And I think that's why a lot of times never tell somebody else because I can't be the only one sitting on this type of information. So I love that aspect of it. And then of course the faith. Faith is the one that always, you know, they've always gets an interesting conversation turnabout, because again, you had that kind of where I'm not even sure why it's a dichotomy where they feel like if you take care of your mental health for some reason, your faith isn't as strong. Like I'm not sure where that came from, but it's definitely there. Definitely strong. And do you find that to be more, and again, of course I'm biased because I take care of you know, black families, right? So you find out more on in black families as far as like the religion and mental health bumping heads? Dr. Joy Harden Bradford: Yeah, for sure. That definitely has been my experience as well as that I definitely hear them more in communities of color than I hear that, you know, like in white families. Dr. Berry: Okay. Alright. So we talked about, you know, the thing that we want people to kind of race out at a memory when we talk about therapy, like well obviously the benefits clearly outweigh, right? Like so what are some of the most common benefits that you tend to see, you know, your patients really experienced when they first start and really accept the process? Dr. Joy Harden Bradford: Yeah. So a lot of that really depends on like what they're coming in for, but some of the things that you can expect or maybe better relationships with other people in your lives. But the downside though is sometimes you lose relationship that likely were very healthy for you in the first place because you learned maybe, oh yeah. But sometimes you know, you learn things like assertiveness and setting boundaries and then when you go and practice that in your life than people who you know are invested in you not having boundaries get mad with you. Right? So you may lose that relationship, but it's very likely that their relationship wasn't a healthy one or reciprocal for you anyway. So that is a caution that sometimes you learn things in therapy. Even then you go and practice it and then it results in, maybe you losing relationships or the relationships change. But that doesn't have to be a bad thing if you're coming in for something like depression or anxiety, typically working with a therapist who has specialization in those areas will result in a relief of some of those symptoms. So not that you may never be depressed again, but you will see likely a very significant decrease in those symptoms. May be a decrease in the severity. If you're having panic attacks, there are things that your therapist can teach you about how to manage those panic attacks or helping you to recognize your triggers so that you don't experience the panic attacks as frequently. And you know, just lots of different things. And like I said, it really kind of depends on what you're coming in for. Dr. Berry: Perfect. I love it. And we kind of already talked about like when you should see him. In your eyes, you feel like the sooner the better, right? If we had to surmise it? Dr. Joy Harden Bradford: Yeah, absolutely. And you know, I don't think that there's any, because we're human, right? We're not perfect. There's always something going on in our lives that we would likely benefit from talking to an objective party about. And so, you know, talking with a therapist just about work stress or like how you know, now I am the supervisor and how do I manage people who work under me in a way that feels fair. And there are lots of different reasons why you can talk with the therapist. But definitely if you notice anything going on like changes in your behavior, the sooner the better to talk with a therapist is a great idea. Dr. Berry: So let's see, I come to a decision where at like I recognized, you know, something's going on. I'm not necessarily equipped to kinda handle it, right? How do look for therapist and what should I look for? Dr. Joy Harden Bradford: That's another great question and I think a lot of people get kind of stumped here because I think there are a lot of options. It isn't necessarily like your PCP, right? Like, you know, most primary care doctors like treat the same kinds of things and so as long as you probably liked their bedtime manner and it may be relatively close to your home or at work, then it's probably fine, right? But your therapist is a different kind of a relationship and so more than like your PCP, you really want to make sure that you actually kind liked this person because you're likely going to be sharing some very intimate information with them. I mean, you know they're going to kind of be getting all in your business and asking you all kinds of questions that you likely have not been asked before. Do you do want to try to find somebody that you know, that you think you would feel comfortable talking to? I also think it's really important that you find a therapist who has specialization in the thing that you are coming in for. So you may find, so there are lots of different directories. You know, like I mentioned, I have a directory on my website that is primarily targeted to black women and girls who are looking for a therapist. There are tons of different ones. Psychology today, open path, collective good therapy. Like there are lots of different directories and so you do want to make sure that you find somebody, like I said, who has a specialization in which you're looking for. So you may find somebody who looks like they're, you know, maybe really friendly or you've heard him on a podcast like this and it's like, okay, I think I might enjoy talking with them. But then you realize they don't actually have a specialization in what you need and that's likely not going to be a really good turnout for you because wow, most therapists are trained in kind of general kinds of things and some of us do additional specializations and different trainings and certifications in certain areas. And so you want to try to find the therapists who, one, you would feel comfortable talking with, but also has a good expertise in the thing that's bringing you into therapy. Dr. Berry: I love it. And I think that's very important, especially when we talk about it, and especially if you're hearing some of the health insurances, you know, your piece chosen for you, the option of choosing and kind of like, well this person's the one we're going to make you go to. And some people just kind of accept it and understanding that you need to have a great, and I'm even, I'm good relationships. Some, you know, sometimes a great relationship before you embark on such a journey, which, and, and I always talk about, especially when we talk about mental health, is that it's really is a journey, right? There isn't really a point A to point B. Like, all right, let me get off here in and I'm good to go. A lot of times we did something that you have to kind of continuously work on, continuously improve, continuously get better, and if you fall off, alright, I know what I need to do. So I definitely am excited by some of those points because you know, really trusting a person is extremely, extremely beneficial, especially if you're gonna tell them, you know, the things that you know, cause you hurt the things that cause you pain and everything else. That as a primary care physician, I unfortunately, I guess fortunately, unfortunately, you know, I had patients who trusted me enough to at least get to that point. But even me, I'm be like, Hey, yeah, you know what, I think you might need to actually see a therapist. And not that I don't emphasize with what you going through, but I can't really give you that advice and I think you're gonna need in my 15 to 20 minute session. Dr. Joy Harden Bradford: Right and you mentioned about health insurance, Dr. Berry in Africa to mention that. So if you think that you're going to want to use your health insurance to see a therapist, you can probably save yourself a lot of time and frustration by getting a list of therapists who are covered by your insurance plan from your insurance company. Because sometimes, you know, clients will find a therapist that they really enjoy. They think, you know, they have a great specialization and only to realize that they don't actually accept their insurance which can be really frustrating. So getting a list from your insurance company to kind of start that search may be a really good idea as well. Dr. Berry: Perfect. Again thanks for, you know, kind of really guiding us through a process. And I don't think a lot of people unfortunately experienced, especially because we said the numbers, a lot of people probably should experience it. And you know, whether they're being stopped off and saying like, Hey, let me just go to my pieces of pizza on my piece of me, my problems in a kind of go and they don't get referred up like I feel like they should. And more often. So again, thank you for walking us through that process of, you know, what is therapy? It's a bad things, good things. And then most importantly, like, how do I look for a good one? So now that we say way, so how we look for good one, right? We, let's, we gotta talk about therapy for black girls and then let me just kind of get my soapbox. I think I discovered you a few years ago and I was so infatuated, so interested, right? Because I was like, oh, this is a person who recognizes such a need and it is a need. Right? And sometimes that scares people away because they feel like, oh, if I only focused on population, right? Then what about the others? And I always say, especially in a business standpoint, right? If you are trying to, you know, serve everybody, you're not serving anybody. So when we talk about therapy for black girls and just that motivation behind it, what made you realize, I say, you know what? Like this is it, right? These are the people who like, I need to go like 150% for. Dr. Joy Harden Bradford: Yeah. So I feel like it really was just an extension of what I was already doing anyway. So therapy for black girls started as a blog and I started it in 2014 after watching the black girls rock awards show on VT. (I like that show too.) Right. Exactly. And it was just such a [inaudible] yes, right, exactly. And then you could just feel the energy you've been through the TV screen. And so I was like, oh, is there a way I could create something like this that gave people the same kind of energy around mental health? So it started as a blog with me just kind of like blogging about topic that I thought would be interesting to black women and girls. So like I started with a blog about how to find a therapist and what is your support system look like? Like just those kinds of like general mental health kinds of things. But it really, like I say, it is an extension of what I was already doing because every time I worked at a different college counseling center, I would always be doing outreaches and groups with the black women on campus. So a lot of my career has also been working on predominantly white campuses. And so I noticed that, you know, the black students weren't necessarily coming into the counseling center at the same rates as their peers. And so I would go out to the multicultural student center or to the sororities or whatever and say, hey, let's do these groups. Like let me see what's going on with y'all. How can we kind of make sure that we are kind of in contact that you know, the resources are here and where to reach out to if you need some help. (I love that.) So yeah, so I mean, so I was already kind of doing therapy for black girls before therapy for black girls ever became a thing. And really the blog just kind of, you know, gave me a way to kind of talk to black women and girls who were beyond my campus. So it started as a blog when now includes, like I said, the therapist directory that has over 1300 therapists in it as well as a weekly podcast that comes out every Wednesday that has topics about all kinds of things relevant to black women and girls. Dr. Berry: Now when you first started with, are there any particular challenges like focusing on getting, you know, black women and focusing on talking about health? The reason why I ask that because I know as, as an outpatient physician and even inpatient physician, I know I see the difference in a person's eyes right when I walk in and they're also black really like this. I see like they just kind of light up. They opened. Like it was almost like a visually open up and like they're just more relaxed. (Yeah.) Doing it. But I know that's in the medical world. Right. And I always feel like when it comes to talking about mental health is a little bit of barrier. Did you find that a little bit easier because you are a black woman and going to black women and saying, hey, this is important too? Dr. Joy Harden Bradford: Yeah, I got nothing but excitement from black women. When I would tell them about the blog, like I would give like, Oh yes, that's needed. You know, that kind of thing. So, but I know the feeling that you're talking about because I think what that is is really a feeling of I'm going to be seen and heard by this person. Right? Like even though you know, blackness is not monolithic, right? Like you as a black man, even Maria is a black woman is different from me as a black woman. You know, like we all have different experiences. But I think that there is a sense of there not being some things that I won't have to understand. There are some things that you're just going to get because of our shared cultural language. And so I think that lighting up that you see in that, you know, maybe relaxing and I'm not as tense is because they feel like okay I won't have to do some of that explaining that I might have to do if this was not a black provider. But yeah, like overall I think people have just been really excited and supportive about therapy for black girls, which is, you know, why it has kind of taken off in the way that it has. Dr. Berry: And when we say that it has, because you say you started out as a blog and you know you're even writing like, hey like this is how you should find one. What kind of push you to say like, oh you know what like maybe I should have my own, you know, like location cause they're already coming to me to read about therapy and mental health topics. Like maybe I shouldn't have this like directory. Like what was the motivation because I think that's even a different step where you always kind of business minded or was it just like made me like this would be a place that people can come to and maybe they can find someone that's local in their area? Dr. Joy Harden Bradford: You know Dr. Berry I wish I can say that I was really business minded but so much of it is, has really just been about me paying attention to my audience and having the kinds of conversations with black women that I was always having. You know? So the directory's started because I kept seeing people on social media, primarily Twitter because that's where I spend a lot of time saying like, Hey, I love to find a black therapist. Does anybody have a recommendation for a black woman therapist? And I kept seeing those conversations and I was like, well surely there has to be a way for us to kind of put something like this together, right? So I just kind of put a call out on social media and said, hey, if you're a black woman who's had a great experience with a therapist, nominate them and I will kind of compile all the information and that way other black women may be able to find therapists who other black women have had good experiences with. And so that was in December of 2016 it really just started as a Google document. I think by the end of that year I had like 90 therapists in the directory. And like I said, now there are over 1300. Dr. Berry: Wow and the reason why I love that it's cause I think a lot of times, especially in the general public, I don't think people realize like how many professionals are out there that can cater to our needs. When you put it all in one area like oh my God, isn't it? Like I'm pretty sure that like that probably drew some people back. We were like, oh okay. I didn't know. Okay. All right. All right. I didn't know we were out here. And it's crazy because I think mental health is one of those things that gets talked about but for some reason doesn't get talked about. And in like that same hand and when you see like, oh I can go to one area and you know to search five. For example, let's walk us through like if we were on your site right now, right? I want it to find someone and like say like it is, this is a process that easy. Like it might just click and click and then boom, something like that. Dr. Joy Harden Bradford: Yeah, I mean in some ways that is easy. In some ways it's not. So you know, like I said, the process of finding a therapist is probably going to be a little more involved than like finding a primary care doctor because you do want to find somebody who has a specialization in whatever you need. But if you were on the website and you wanted to search by your area code in your insurance, you could just type in your area code and then filter by insurance and then the therapist who are in your area who accepts that insurance would pop up. And then that at least makes it a little smaller for you to kind of go through those profiles and say, okay, this person feels like they might be a good fit, this person not so much. And then you can kind of narrow down your list like that. Dr. Berry: Yeah, I love it. So again, Lunch and Learn community I hope you hear that. So it's not, again, I know always like uplift like rocket science, but it's not rocket science. Right. You should be able, if you're lucky, right. If you're lucky, you should be able to find someone in your area who can help service their needs. Because again, remember this is Mental Awareness Month, right? We're putting it out on front street that everyone, even if you don't think you got a problem. But you may say like, oh, I could benefit. Like there's possibility that you could possibly benefit. Like I said, prevention is key even when it comes to mental health. And then you're like I said, from that you kind of springboard and I have a podcast as well, again, kind of champion that the call of mental health especially in black women and girls. So again, absolutely love everything that you're doing. Dr. Joy Harden Bradford: Thank you. I do want to go back to one of your points. I don't want us to make it seem as if like therapists are like plentiful and like anybody can see them. Right? Because the truth of it is that there are still a lot of barriers that might make it difficult for people to get in with therapists. You know? So sometimes, you know, like I said, sometimes you will find therapists who are not like accepted on your insurance plan. I mean, that can be for lots of different reasons. You know, sometimes finances make it difficult to see a therapist. Unfortunately, you know, kind of across the nation, lots of like community mental health agencies have other clues or are so overrun with people wanting the services that they are like at a wait list. So there are still lots of reasons why it may be difficult for people to get in to see a therapist if they want to. But my hope is that the directory makes it a little easier for people to kind of get connected with a therapist who they might want to see. Dr. Berry: I love it. I definitely agree because like I said it's there, especially because I'm thinking look like, and I'm fortunate, I'm in South Florida, right? So I'm almost sure like I'm gonna find somebody in south Florida who does. Right. But imagine if you're in the town, you're in a state, you know that that isn't plentiful. So it can be very daunting just to even look to see like, hey, like I need to find someone. But again, hopefully we can kind of channel people to at least start with your directory cause you gotta start somewhere, right? Like you've got somewhere you got to look somewhere, you've gotta be able to make that first step and says, yes I have an issue and I want someone to help take care of it. (Right.) So you know, kind of piggybacking off the therapy, directory, the podcast. Remember Lunch and Learn community, all of these things will be in the show notes. So you'll have, you'll get direct links to all of this. Is there any other services that you offer or is that really the main two things right now? Or like are you doing any books and courses and in speaking of like where can people find you and talk to you, listen to you and everything from that standpoint? Dr. Joy Harden Bradford: Yeah, so those are the main two things. But I do have other things going on. So my clinical specialty, I do still have a small practice. It's helping women to recover from breakups and so out of that work, I've also developed a workbook for people who are struggling with breakups. It's called questions that need answers. After the breakup though I also have that workbook available. I also developed an affirmation, like a guided affirmation track, which I love. So it's kind of like an affirmation set to music and it's particularly for women who feel like their life doesn't look like what they thought it would look like right now. Like all these questions about like why am I not partnered, why don't I have kids and I don't want to have the job that I thought I would love. That affirmation track is specifically for them and I'm working on a second one too that'll be released soon. But I also have something called the yellow couch collective. So you know, we have a large social media communities around in like the podcast and all of the work that we do. And I really wanted a place that was like a smaller, more intimate group for people to really take the concepts from the podcast and take it to the next level. So that group is called the yellow couch collective. It is a membership program for people who listened to the podcast and really want to do some work surrounding the topics that we're talking about. So all of that you can find on thetherapyforblackgirls.com website. But those are the other things that I have going on as well, the speaking. So I do have typically have at least one or two speaking gigs every month related to like mental health and black women. Dr. Berry: I love it. Again Lunch and Learn community like I told you in the intro, this is an amazing person, for a few years I've been lucky enough I've been able to piggy back the friendship by association acts and my wife's a friend of hers, so like right in there. So before we let you go and we talked about, so we know thetherapyforblackgirls.com the website, again links will all be in the show notes. Is that like the main way like people contact you and you said you were on Twitter a lot too. What's your social media handles on there? Dr. Joy Harden Bradford: Yeah, so my personal social media handles across the board or @hellodrjoy, H E L L O D R J O Y and then you could find the therapy for black girls handles their therapy for black girls on both Instagram and Facebook its @therapy4bgirls (the number four b girls) on Twitter. Dr. Berry: I love it. And before I let you go, last question, how can what you do or how does what you do help empower the women to take really better control of their mental health? Dr. Joy Harden Bradford: Yeah, I think that a large part of what we do is giving women the language they need to kind of describe what's going on with them and to help critically think through things that they meet once a better in their lives. Dr. Berry: Absolutely amazing. Amazing podcast. Of course, you know, no surprises because Dr. Joy have your own show, so no surprise that was amazing podcast. Again, thanks you for taking the time to really get our Lunch and Learn community together when it comes to mental health and when it comes to the awareness and just kind of recognizing like, hey, you guys should be seeing this therapist sooner rather than later. So again, thanks for everything you're doing. Dr. Joy Harden Bradford: Thank you, Dr. Berry.   Download the MP3 Audio file, listen to the episode however you like.  

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Click above to listen in iTunes... Crazy, I've never had to thing about this stuff before. WOO!!! Hey. What's going on everyone? It's Steve Larsen. You're listening to Sales Funnel Radio. Welcome to Sales Funnel Radio, where you'll learn marketing strategies to grow your online business, using today's best internet sales funnels. Now, here's your host, Steve Larsen. How you guys doing? Have you guys ever seen those oxygen restriction masks? Those things are nuts. I bought one. This morning I went on this run and it was so much harder than I ever anticipated it being. I used to backpack a lot. I know I talked about that a couple times. When I was backpacking there was this time we climbed Pikes Peak. If you know what that is, it's very famous mountain in Colorado. It's funny because there's a tram that takes you up to the top. It's above 14,000 feet. When you get that high, I mean, walking just takes the breath out of you. It feels like you're exercising when you're just walking. We climbed it though. We started super early in the morning, we start climbing up this thing. It's so funny, when you start getting above tree line, which is usually around 11,000 feet, meaning it's so high that trees can't grow anymore, so it's above tree line, you start getting really deliberate in the steps that you take. It was funny because ... That was a very challenging hike actually. I liked it a lot. It was funny because, I started feeling like that this morning when I just put this mask on. If I run down to the street light, that's just a street light and back, that's two miles. Almost on the dot...  It's funny it took me an extra five, ten minutes than it normally would because I was just sucking wind. I even had it on the lowest setting. I was like, "Good grief." I forgot my high altitude lungs are just gone. Anyway. Anyway. Hey, I've been listening to and re-listening to all of the old funnel hacking live speeches. All of them. It's been a lot of fun. I'm almost done with the 2016 replays. I'll go back to the 2015 replays soon, then I'll go to 2017. I don't really know why I started in that order but I did. It's been a lot of fun to go back through and do that. It's fascinating to remember, "Oh yeah, remember when I had that aha, that was at this event here. Or I remember this personal development growth piece, this happened here or there or whatever." What's interesting is to go back and listen to all the things and I'm like, "How come I never heard them say that the first time?" Right? I think it's the reason why, I mean, my two year old and my four year old I still have to say the same things to them over and over and over again. "Hey, stop hitting your sister. Hey, be nice. Hey, be nice. Hey, hey, hey." You know what I mean? It's just human nature we all have to hear things a million times before we actually hear it. Which I think is kind of fascinating when you think of it like that. That's why I always laugh when someone's like, "I already read the book Expert Secrets." I'm like, "That is one of the most core marketing books that is in existence today. You've only read it once?" Right? I just re-read 108 Split Tests. I did. Okay? Why? Because there's all these things that you continue to get from it over and over and over again. Right? When they are the classics, when they're the things that change the way a market behaves, why would you not study them like crazy? Right? I listen to an awesome course. It's by Perry Belcher. If you can't handle swearing don't listen to it. It's by Perry Belcher and it's ... Oh my gosh. Is it the Secret Selling System? I think that's what it is. That course is freaking amazing. It's like 18 hours but that is fantastic. I'm going to go back and re-listen to that here shortly I think 'cause man that was incredible. Anyway. I keep going back to the greats. I keep going back ... What's funny is that there's so much new material around me at all times that I have not even begun to dive into because I feel like I've not mastered some of the simple things that are right in front of me. Do you know what I mean? I only like to learn things for a purpose. Even all the DISC tests and all the 16 personalities tests, all that stuff, that even says so in there. Right? I only like to listen and learn and study from things that I will use right now. I am not a good general learner, which has turned out to be a big blessing because I don't get distracted by all this other garbage that frankly it doesn't matter that I'm on or not. Right? Anyway. One of the things I was picking up today and I was kind of refreshing my mind on was a book that I read in college. It's funny when you read things the first time and when you're brand new ... Not brand new. When you're not as experienced in an industry and you start reading the books from that industry, it's funny how the first few books or courses you take is just like mind blowing. You're like, "Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh that's so crazy. What? You automate your emails out and to think all the soap opera series?" Right, that's like the most basic thing on the planet. Right? Especially for our world and what we do right? So, what I think is interesting about this is I went through and I picked up this book that I read in college and at the time I was like, "It was really good. I really enjoyed the first half of it." It's a book called Visionary Business by Mark Allen. I'll be honest. The first half of the book I got some good things from it. The second half got a little weird. It was talking about how the business has a soul and stuff like that. I was like, "Ah, I don't know about that." That business has a value ladder. That business has a really cool offer. Right? A sexy offer. Some false beliefs. I don't think it has a soul. Anyway. I don't know, maybe I'm just not open minded enough or something like that. I don't know. It's fascinating though, 'cause one of the realizations I had, and this is where I'm trying to take this episode just so you know, one of the realizations that I had as I ... It was probably about three or four years ago, was that I was studying areas of business that did not apply to where I was at the time. Okay? I know I've talked about this before as well, right? Just in time learning, stuff like that. I believe it's good in phases. You know what I mean? Every once in a while you got to just drink deeply and I can tell. I can tell. I'm not exactly sure when but I can tell that sometime soon I'm going to go through a really, really, really deep learning phase and it's going to be me primarily focusing on the seven to eight figure area. I think that my webinar's going to hit a million bucks probably summer to the latter part of the year. Somewhere in there. I think that's when I'll hit it. Then, primarily where I've been focusing is the zero to one figure area, right? 'Cause that's where my personal thing is on right now. While I've made a million bucks for a lot of other people many times, this one of my own, that's what I've been focusing on obviously. What I realized though is three, four years ago I was studying these areas of business that I was not in. It was just general learning and therefore I was a distraction and I was literally getting nowhere. It's fascinating 'cause I picked this book up again this morning, Visionary Business, and I start looking through the book and I start reading through it again. I was looking at just ... My habit is that if something's really, really amazing I will fold the bottom corner of the page so next time I pick the book back up again I'll look at the key points. If you look at all my books that's one of the reasons it takes me so long to read them, but the reason why is because I can come back later and I just look at all the corners of the pages that are folded up on the bottom and I can read just that part again. I'm like, "Oh yeah, that was like the core thing of this part. Oh yeah, that was like the core idea of this one." Right? I can pick back up really quickly and refresh what I need to. It works well. Anyways. I was doing that and I picked up Visionary Business and I started looking through and I was looking through all the little turned up corners on the bottom page and it was fascinating because there's some really interesting ... I liked some of the key parts that it teaches about management. I don't know why the heck I was studying management when I had no one to manage. Right? You know, I saw it, just barely launched the hiring funnel. Thank you to those of you guys who are applying. I appreciate that a lot actually. Those of you guys who want to work with me, that really means a lot. If you did not hear that episode it's like two episodes before this one it's called My Hiring Funnel. You can back up and just listen to those. Anyway. Awesome stuff... I was looking this up again and there's these two different styles of management that it goes through. This is what it says. Okay? It was on page 68. It says, "There are two styles of management. Management by crisis, and management by goals. Those caught in the management by crisis trap are always working in the business and never have time to work on the business. Their vision of the future is lost." I think that's fascinating. It's very much a ... You know, we should all react to crisis obviously well and try and move on but I totally understand, I totally get that. Right? Management by crisis, management by crisis. Right? Oh my gosh. We're going to have this bad thing happen and this bad thing happen and this bad thing will happen. You almost bring to fruition your fears, rather than focusing on what the goals are and that's what you bring to fruition. Right? That's what you should actually bring to the present now and actually make happen... I thought that was kind of interesting. The only reason I'm bringing this up is because I'm hiring people now. Right? I have actual employees. Number one, I'm an actual employee of my own business. That's how we structured it. Pretty soon my wife probably will be also and things like that, and that's great. But I have an actual employee now. You know? Now I look at this and I'm like, "Management by crisis. Huh." I've had a ton of VA's, right? But this is my first real employee. W2 employee. Actual employee, right? I'm excited. It's going to be so fun, right? He's not starting for a little bit here but I'm super excited to have him. You guys will all know who he is. I'll introduce him. He's the man. I wouldn't have hired him otherwise obviously. We actually have quite the history together, which is kind of cool. It's funny that that's how that's turning out. We're getting back together, getting the band back together man it's going to be awesome... Anyway. It's going to be a lot of fun. What I'm doing though is I'm looking through and I'm thinking management by crisis. That's fascinating. How do I avoid a management by crisis scenario and instead, how do I manage by vision, by goals, right? Obviously there's times for both. But how do I primarily stay in the management by goals area? Anyway. I thought that was kind of interesting. I can't remember, I was at a fad event or I don't know, I was coaching someone I can't remember who it was but they were asking, "How do I find good people? How do I find good people?" I know I talked about this a little bit in the hiring episode but this is the phase I'm in so I'm just kind of documenting my stuff as I'm going through here, right? Anyway. It was fascinating 'cause I was watching Russell and I was listening to Russell and he said, "Hey, I always hire from within." That's what he said that time when ... I mean, he sent out a whole bunch of emails. I've watched him do a lot of things like that where he hires from within. He hires from within the culture, which is why it's important to build it. Right? Expert Secrets talks about that. You build the culture. As you're building the culture you're actually having these true believers come out of the woodwork. Right? Me. Right? It's safe to say that I'm a click funnels fanatic. People know that and he knows that and everyone knows that and that's fine and they should. It's great. But his ability to create culture is what allowed him to hire from within and that's what I'm trying to say is start thinking through hey what's your management style and things like that, but so much of it will already be dictated by how your culture has been set. Right? Russell had to spend zero time indoctrinating me. When he hired me. He had to spend zero time teaching me click funnels. Zero time. You know what I mean? It's because I was so into it already. That's all I've been doing is looking for the individuals who are so into what I do. Right? I always say, you guys are going to get like 10% of the people who follow you to just be like the fanatics. The people that are crazy, right? I'm sure I'll throw some kind of event. I'm sure I'll throw some kind of my own inner circle summit or some kind of coaching. Something in the future of my own, right? It'll be 10% of you that are really, really, really Steve Larson fanatics and would love to come hang out, and would love to learn the next piece, and would love to ... That's exactly what happened at the last Mastermind that we through, right? That's exactly it. You have to understand that's the natural progression but I did not worry about that or focus on it until now. Right? Meaning I've been building the culture. I've been building all that stuff but I'm not studying management til I need it. Right? Then again, I'm not even really studying it because they're already indoctrinated into what my vision is. Right? I want to change the world. I don't exactly know how yet but I know I do. Right? It took me a long time to have the cojones to say that kind of thing. I always thought that was kind of weird, like, "Oh yeah I want to change the world ha ha ha. Oh ha ha." Right? I don't know why I was always timid about saying that kind of thing but not anymore. Right? I'm trying to find other individuals who are also like that. It's been kind of fun because I know those of you guys that have been applying to work with me, whether as a funnel builder, an assistant, a support person, a high ticket salesman, you understand where I'm trying to drive the ship. That's the benefit of doing it that way, which is kind of fun. It's really fun actually. Anyways. That's all I really want to say in this episode. Start building culture because when it comes time to actually hire, you've got to be able to have that culture that's already there so that you can hire from people who are already indoctrinated. Anyway. There's another cool quote, I was looking at another one of the turned pages in this book Visionary Business. Again, I really like the first half of this book. The second half for me got a little woo woo. I don't mind woo woo but in a business? There's nothing innately spiritual in my business itself. My logo is not speaking to me, you know? I'm the one driving it. You know what I mean? If anything it's the woo woo in me. Anyway. We can go on a whole other topic there. I'm going to pack up. This last half of the book was a little bit weird for me but it was on page 92 about halfway down, it says, "Hire people who are passionate about their jobs and who have the suitable personality for the job. Hire a technician for a technician's job and a manager for a manager's job." I think that's so true. Gosh, that's so true. Understand what you are innately geared to do and it's one of the reasons why I have people take the DISC test. It's one of the reasons why I have people take that 16 personalities test, why I have them film a video. If you can't film a video and put it on YouTube and give me the link, you are already not suited to work with my stuff. You know what I mean? That makes sense. I know you all know to do that but that's the reason why I do that. Anyway. It's been kind of fun to go through that and start looking at these different management styles, make sure I'm not managing by crisis. Make sure I'm managing through goals. It's like, "Hey, let's go here. Let's drive there." I'm trying to do it in a way where I'm not babysitting. Right? Not that I need to. Not that I'm going to have to with this guy. He's the man. I know I'm not going to have to. Right? He's the man. But you know when you were growing up, I'm sure we all did this to a degree. We're all growing up, mom and dad give you a task right? Or whoever. Your guardian, whatever it was. Whenever you were younger somebody gave you a task. It could be a teacher, right? You were given a task. The moment that individual walked away you had such a less fire in the gut to get that activity done. Right? Same thing when I was in the army you guys, which by the way I'm finally finishing up the paperwork. I'll be out of the army here very shortly, which is very, very exciting actually. But anyway. In the army, right? A commander or a first sergeant or someone of authority would come up and give some kind of task and everyone would be like, "Roger. Oh yeah, I'll get it done." As soon as they leave sometimes it'd be like, "Oh, okay we have like three hours to do that thing. We really need like 30 minutes. Okay, well we're all just going to hangout for a little while and [inaudible 00:16:14]." Right? Then that person comes back and everyone acts busy again. Right? That's not the management style or scenario or culture that you want inside your business. Right? What's so awesome is the people that I'm hiring, especially this guy, I'm so excited for him to come in because I already know that his culture and my culture together match and mix and we do well. I am not babysitting. I am not managing by crisis. I am not managing as a babysitter. Right? I'm setting the goals, I'm saying, "Let's do this. Let's do this over here. Let's take that mountain. Let's do it." I don't have to be in the room for those things to be done. I'm so thankful for that because I can quote so many jobs and I'm sure you can as well, where that was the culture. Where as soon as the individual left, right? As soon as the individual left nothing happened. Nothing happened. That was management by force. Right? Management by crisis. Terrible management style to be a part of that. Anyway. Those are the things kind of going through my head with this and hopefully that's helpful somehow. Understand, again, I didn't worry about any of this stuff until I needed it. I don't know if worry is the right word either but I'm not concerning myself with it until I need it. I really don't need it that hard anyway because the people that I'm hiring and bringing on are already indoctrinated. I think it almost negates some of the things that are in this book is also kind of what I'm saying. You don't have to do all those pieces so deeply. Right? That a lot of these other management books will talk when you have a strong culture in the business and when you hire from within. That's the main key. That's all I'm trying to say in this. It's kind of a long winded way to say it but anyways guys. Hopefully that's helpful. Thanks so much for being a listener and we are well past 100,000 downloads now. I just have not had time to actually go and create the new intro music, which I'm very excited to do. There's something special with it that I'm trying to put in it so anyway, it will be done hopefully shortly. Alright guys, talk to you later. Bye. Thanks for listening to Sales Funnel Radio. Please remember to subscribe and leave feedback. Want to get one of today's best interest sales funnels for free? Go to salesfunnelbroker.com/freefunnels to download your prebuilt sales funnel today.

On today's episode, we're talking with Vera Brown, owner and creator of Real Life, Baby! We're talking about how to choose safer baby products, where to start making swaps, and myths of sustainable fabrics. We're back with our 136th episode of the Fed+Fit Podcast! Remember to check back every Monday for a new episode and be sure to subscribe on iTunes! Find us HERE on iTunes and be sure to "subscribe." Episode 136 Sponsors Real Life, Baby! - For a limited time, get 10%-off with the discount code "Cricket10" Pride of Bristol Bay Episode 136 Transcription Today’s show is brought to you by Real Life Baby! Real Life Baby is a fabulous online resource where you will find a variety of tips on baby and toddler well-being in addition to the most thoughtfully sourced baby gear eco shop. Real Life Baby is a great resource for parents looking to surround their little ones with the safest, most nurturing materials available. I’m personally a big fan of the humanely sourced wool products. You can explore the Real Life Baby shop by heading to their website at www. reallifebabyecoshop.com. And for a short period of time, you can even get 10% discount by using the code “Cricket10” all one word; discount code inspired by my own little bun in the oven. Cassy Joy: Welcome back to another episode of the Fed and Fit podcast. I am your host, Cassy Joy Garcia. And I am so thrilled to bring you today’s episode. You guys have been asking for; so we’re having a baby. For those of you who don’t know. My husband and I are expecting the birth of our first baby this coming January. She’s due January 13th, which happens to be my grandfather’s birthday. Who knows if she’ll actually come on that day, but it gave me really warm fuzzies when I saw that date. So we have been researching constantly, trying to make sure. Because there’s a lot to get up to speed on when it comes to what kind of equipment do we need for this baby. What kind of medical decisions are we going to make. What kind of textiles do we want around the house. What kind of clothing do we want. What kind of crib? And the questions seem limitless. Something that I went on the hunt for was trying to find some resources that kind of helped summarize, aligned with my core values in terms of reducing total toxic load. Right? Especially for such a young person, an infant, a newborn. But also one that kind of took into consideration comfort of the baby and ease of the family. And I’m thrilled today to introduce you to a lady who has become a friend. Her name is Vera Brown. And she is the owner and creator of Real Life Baby. You can find her on the web at www.RealLifeBabyEcoShop.com. Don’t worry; of course we’re going to link up to all of that in the show notes. But I’m thrilled to invite her on the show today, because we’re going to hear a little bit about how she put together this incredible collection online. Why it’s important. Really what goes into her business. And I’ve really come to think of her as a trusted resource. So I hope that you guys find today’s episode helpful. I’m sure you will, and I’m sure that all of you moms out there and moms to be will love the website. Love the collection she’s put together. Welcome to the show, Vera! I’m so excited to have you today! Vera Brown: Oh my goodness, thank you so much Cassy for this wonderful introduction. It really is my pleasure, and it’s such an honor to be on your show. I’m a long-time listener and a follower, and I love everything that you are doing so I'm very glad that we can do this together and I can provide some value to your new baby. Cassy Joy: Oh, thank you. You're just; you guys, isn’t she the sweetest! I really adore you so much. I’m excited to jump in. I have some questions for you today that I’d love to run through. First off, I would love it if you could tell us a little bit about yourself, and then what inspired you to start Real Life Baby? Vera Brown: Well,