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A change management podcast with Dr Jen Frahm. I talk with business leaders about the experience of change and transformation.

Dr Jen Frahm


    • May 21, 2025 LATEST EPISODE
    • monthly NEW EPISODES
    • 26m AVG DURATION
    • 72 EPISODES


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    Latest episodes from Conversations of Change

    Amy Leighton: Agile Change in M&A: Trust, Speed, and Cultural Fit

    Play Episode Listen Later May 21, 2025 33:07


    Elizabeth Beattie: Leading Change in an AI World

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 28, 2025 36:37


    In this episode of Conversations of Agile Change, Dr. Jen Frahm sits down with Elizabeth Beattie, Program Change Lead for AI and Innovation at UNSW, to explore what it really takes to lead change in the age of AI. Elizabeth shares how she's applying agile, human-centered change techniques to foster curiosity, build capability, and create safe spaces for experimentation at a research-intensive university. They dive into lessons on leadership vulnerability, why co-creation beats top-down control, and how AI transformations are fundamentally different (and not so different) from past changes. Whether you're a change leader, innovator, or AI-curious, this conversation will spark fresh ideas for your own practice.

    David Arnold: Change Bees, Cardboard Cities & Coffee Conversations

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 7, 2025 44:10


    Coffee with Fleur podcasthttps://www.coffeewithfleurpodcast.au/The cardboard cityhttps://www.linkedin.com/posts/arnolddj_changemanagement-innovation-artsandculture-activity-6976311483651559424-1Mt1?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_desktop&rcm=ACoAAAA0rqAB367qpi99p2XAhEXan7UaipVDapchttps://captur3d.io/view/evolve-home-land/evolve-home-land

    Anton de Weger: From AI to Neuroscience

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 24, 2025 38:26


    https://www.linkedin.com/in/antondeweger/

    Brynn Shader: From Victim to Architect in Change

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 15, 2024 32:32


    Brynn Shader on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/brynnshader/https://www.brynnshader.com/Disrupt HR in Denver Talk 

    Kathy Piestrzynski: Navigating Change with Curiosity

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 22, 2024 33:46


    Kathy's LinkedIn ProfileLena's LinkedIn Profile 

    Zara Thurgood and Candace Trapp: Insights on Mastering Change Agility.

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 4, 2024 30:25


    Michelle Teunis: Brain-Friendly Change

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 13, 2024 42:40


    The discussion covers the following key topics:Brain-Friendly Change:Designing change experiences that work by leveraging applied neuroscience.The importance of moving from fear to flow to overcome change resistance and failure.How brain-friendly change can serve as a protective shield against change overwhelm and fatigue.Understanding Resistance:Redefining resistance as a natural response and exploring its neurological basis.Strategies for creating approach states and minimizing avoid states to foster engagement.Leadership and Change:The critical role of leaders in setting the tone for change and the impact of their behavior on organizational culture.Practical tips for engaging leaders and aligning them with brain-friendly change practices.Agile and Brain-Friendly Change:The synergy between agile methodologies and brain-friendly change.How agile practices support continuous learning, collaboration, and psychological safety.Real-World Applications:Michelle shares real-life examples of implementing brain-friendly change techniques in large organizations.The significance of co-designing change initiatives with stakeholders to ensure success.Throughout the episode, Michelle emphasizes the importance of continuous learning and adapting change practices to align with our understanding of human behavior and neuroscience.  updates.Michelle Teunis on LinkedIn  (Guest) Lena Ross on LinkedIn (Host) CollabwiseJoin the waitlist for Brain-Friendly Change!  

    Natasha Redman: Challenges in agile adoption.

    Play Episode Listen Later May 23, 2024 32:18


    Key themesAgile Change Leadership: Exploring the role of agile change leadership in modern organizations.World Agility Forum Highlights: Discussing key insights and takeaways from the World Agility Forum conference in Lisbon.Challenges in Agile Adoption: Addressing common challenges and misconceptions in adopting agile methodologies.Agile vs. Waterfall: Contrasting agile approaches with traditional waterfall methodologies in change management.The Future of Change Management: Considering the evolving landscape of change management and the need for practitioners to adapt to new methodologies and tools. Natasha on LinkedIn Casa de Cambio websiteNatasha's podcast Casa de Cambio 

    Kylie Browne: From Documents to Dynamics

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 25, 2024 28:45


    In this episode of "Conversations of Agile Change," Kylie Browne speaks with Lena Ross and discusses her role as a director of organizational change, focusing on digital transformation and organizational agility post-COVID-19. She highlights the accelerated pace of change projects, emphasizing the need for quicker execution with less planning time. Kylie advocates for visual communication in change management, explaining how it simplifies complex information and facilitates effective communication. She also details the development of a community of practice within her organization to deepen change management capabilities at multiple levels. Listeners will learn about implementing agile change management and the benefits of continuous improvement. This episode is essential for anyone looking to understand agile methodologies in contemporary organizational contexts.

    Melissa Bialoruski: A journey of change and growth

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 11, 2024 30:10


    In this episode of "Conversations of Agile Change," Dr. Jen Frahm and Enterprise Change Lead Melissa Bialoruski delve into the transformative power of agility and change management. Together, they explore the profound shift from hierarchical control to collaborative co-creation, highlighting the importance of embracing vulnerability and purpose-driven approaches in navigating the complexities of modern organizational change.

    Pivot! Conversations of Agile Change kick off

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 21, 2023 15:33


    And we're back! Conversations of Change has had a lovely long nap and has woken up most refreshed and wanting to chat about Agile Change! Your co-hosts are Lena Ross and Dr Jen Frahm. We tell you what's coming up.

    Leading change with data

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 11, 2021 40:25


    Stewart Bird Linkedin Aurecon's Digital Decision's report Aurecon Twitter Aurecon Facebook Aurecon Linkedin Aurecon Instagram 

    The hardest change: Gender Equality

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 24, 2020 40:05


    Michelle Redfern contact details:Website - Advancing Women in Business & Sport Linkedin profile: Michelle Redfern Twitter: Facebook A career that soars 

    Exploratory Leadership & Big Bounds

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 10, 2020 45:16


    @celineschill on Twitter https://weneedsocial.com/@changingview on Twitterhttps://antacarafrontiers.com/

    Leading change up against your limits

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 30, 2020 17:32


    Further reading: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/learning-out-loud-up-against-my-limits-triple-threat-dr-jen-frahm/https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/feb/16/white-fragility-racism-interview-robin-diangelohttp://laylafsaad.com/meandwhitesupremacy 

    Only Forward

    Play Episode Listen Later May 21, 2020 74:28


    Full transcript to be published later on the blog!  Tim Rayner - @timrayner01 (twitter) https://www.hacker-culture.com/LinkedIn  Hayley Lewis @haypsychhttps://halopsychology.com/LinkedIn  Melissa Dark  @melissadarkhttps://commonplacecommunication.com/https://bustingsilos.com.au/LinkedIn 

    Talking coaching with Liam Brobst

    Play Episode Listen Later May 7, 2020 35:45


    Liam's Linkedin Profile We cover:Liam's pathway in to coachingHow leaders should use coachesHow agile coaches and change management practitioners work together What surprises Liam about coaching after all these yearsWhat Liam wishes leaders would know or doLiam's take on curiosity, empathy, vulnerability, courage and self-compassion 

    On exploratory leadership

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 28, 2020 23:04


    https://drjenfrahm.com/exploratory-leadership/https://www.patreon.com/drjenfrahmhttps://agilechangeinstitute.com.au/agile-change-leadership-certificate/https://bustingsilos.com.au/

    On focus and post-traumatic growth

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 21, 2020 19:46


    Circles of Control http://www.talkingabout.com.au/3ControlInfluenceConcernThe Brene Brown podcast with David Kessler https://brenebrown.com/podcast/david-kessler-and-brene-on-grief-and-finding-meaning/The 3.5% rule - social contagion https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20190513-it-only-takes-35-of-people-to-change-the-worldPost traumatic growth https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/beautiful-minds/post-traumatic-growth-finding-meaning-and-creativity-in-adversity/My patreon page https://www.patreon.com/drjenfrahm

    On stillness and change

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 13, 2020 19:36


    Kubler Ross Change Curve https://www.exeter.ac.uk/media/universityofexeter/humanresources/documents/learningdevelopment/the_change_curve.pdfOn why I do use the Kubler Ross Change Curve https://conversationsofchange.com.au/of-myth-busting-babies-and-bathwater/Support the content I create https://www.patreon.com/join/drjenfrahmThe 4 Rs of future of work https://drjenfrahm.com/future-work/The podcast where I worked out I wasn't as chilled as I thought I was :-/https://brenebrown.com/podcast/brene-on-anxiety-calm-over-under-functioning/9 week e-course https://bustingsilos.com.au/Agile Change Leadership Certificate https://agilechangeinstitute.com.au/agile-change-leadership-certificate/  

    Empathy versus Compassion

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 7, 2020 11:36


    Brene Brown podcast on empathy https://brenebrown.com/podcast/brene-on-comparative-suffering-the-50-50-myth-and-settling-the-ball/Compassion v empathy https://chopra.com/articles/whats-the-difference-between-empathy-sympathy-and-compassionBecome a patron!https://www.patreon.com/join/4156152?Panel discussion with Kristin Neff and Christopher Germer on the difference http://cultureofempathy.com/Projects/Conference/Panels/026-A.htm Introduction to validity (for the nerdy ones) https://conjointly.com/kb/introduction-to-validity/

    Speed of Change

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 31, 2020 22:41


    My Patreon account Original story of the Burning Platform Examples of business's / organisations 'running from pain' Pure Physio Virtual consults & home visitsBrisbane Run Squad - Free inspo program Hatch Exchange - Corona Virus Labour Exchange Art2biz.info - Jonathan Champ's idea on connecting out of work performing artists with corporate Happiness is contagious My talk on creating calm  

    Creating calm to lead change

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 23, 2020 23:27


    The patreon account I mentionhttps://www.patreon.com/drjenfrahmThe blog post that has struck a chordhttps://drjenfrahm.com/leading-uncertain-times/

    Evan Leybourn: Business Agility and the Theory of Constraints in an Agile environment.

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 16, 2020 47:19


    I talk to Evan Leybourn of the Business Agility Institute about business agility, leadership, governance, and the continuing evolution of the Change Manager.

    Cameron Schwab: What footy teaches us about change leadership

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 3, 2019 49:29


    What footy teaches you about change leadership. Cameron Schwab creates courageous, confident and creative leaders. He’s also kind of Aussie Footy Royalty. The youngest CEO of a club in AFL history, and the continued success and failure for the next 25 years over three more clubs. He has stories to tell, and he knows his way about change and transformation. We talk change leadership in this conversation of change, but perhaps not what you would expect. Rich stories of learning, resilience, performance, authenticity, vulnerability and GFS. You’ll probably want more from Cam and you can find it at https://www.designceo.com.au/

    Dr Andrew Maher - Chief Digital Officer, Aurecon

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 23, 2019 33:30


    Here's the link to the report we talked about - > https://www.aurecongroup.com/expertise/digital-engineering-and-advisory/digital-futures/digital-landscape

    Dr Helen Bevan - Chief Transformation Officer of the NHS

    Play Episode Listen Later May 8, 2019 51:40


    I talk with Dr Helen Bevan , Chief Transformation Officer of the NHS on movements, leading from the edge, psychological safety, new power and old power. See drjenfrahm.com for transcript

    Chapter 6: Conversations of Change, a guide to implementing change

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 6, 2019 24:03


    In the last episode of Part 1: Shaping up the decisions you need to make, I look at the most common models and frameworks out there for you to use.

    Chapter 5: Conversations of Change, a guide to implementing workplace change

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 6, 2019 27:05


    Chapter 5 encourages you to think about the three core elements of successful change - clarity of purpose, understanding of the elements of change success, and the ability to measure them.

    Chapter 4: Conversations of Change, A guide to implementing workplace change

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 4, 2019 19:06


    We're four days in to the six days in a row, Part 1 of my book. In Chapter 4 we deep dive into how to identify a good change practitioner - internal or external. This will help managers and leaders who are looking to recruit or hire specialists skillsets. If you're looking to move into change management this will also give you a sense of what you need to have by way of experience, skillset and mindset.

    Chapter 3: Conversations of Change: A guide to implementing change

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 3, 2019 20:30


    Chapter 3 of Part 1 of my book Conversations of Change: A guide to implementing change . Chapter 3 is all about who’s who in the zoo! Easy to understand explanations of 10 necessary roles in change. Six episodes over six days.

    Chapter 2: Conversations of Change, a guide to implementing workplace change

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 2, 2019 18:00


    It's chapter 2 of 6 chapters released daily of Part 1 of my book - in this I look at the four common points of confusion about change management and organisational change.

    Chapter 1: Conversations of Change, a guide to implementing change (An experiment!)

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 2, 2019 13:43


    I'm releasing the first 6 chapters of my book Conversations of Change: A guide to implementing change as a serialized podcast! This one is Chapter one - where I explain the Choose your adventure structure.

    Alice Tay, Change, Transformation and the Legal Profession

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 14, 2018 36:56


    Alice Tay is a lawyer, a CATIC Trade Delegation Mission Leader and NED on several boards. We talk change and transformation in the legal profession and what the future holds.

    Adam Salzer, AusTTA & Transformational CEO whitepaper

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 21, 2018 34:28


    The Australian Transformation & Turnaround Association has released a white paper on the state of affairs of CEOs, Boards and Transformation. It's a bit grim! I speak with Adam Salzer, Chair of the ATTA about it.

    Leading change at Food Bank for NYC - Margarette Purvis

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 3, 2018 40:00


    Leading change with Margarette Purvis - CEO of the Food Bank for NYC. We talk leading change in non-profits Kaizen, millenials, Toyota, instagram and the wisdom of grandmothers.

    Donna Hardman and the Role of the Board in Change and Transformation

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 18, 2018 42:43


    Donna Hardman - Non Executive Board member and governance consultant shares on the role of the board in change and transformation, and her role as a change maker in the matters of cognitive diversity and understanding China from an industry perspective.

    #ChangeChat with Shawn Callahan on Storytelling

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 25, 2018 22:02


    A #changechat with Anecdote founder Shawn Callahan on the power of stories in organizational change

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    5 Qualities of Change Leadership (We're back!!)

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 13, 2018 24:45


    And we're back - after a brief hiatus, we're back. I share a slight shift in focus for the year AND a talk I provided recently on the 5 qualities of change leadership that I think make all the difference! Warning - there's a 2 second drop out at about the 21 min mark. Dang!

    #ChangeChat with Elise Stevens on Project Managers

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 21, 2017 23:31


    Dr Jen Frahm talks change management with Elise Stevens on the role of Project Managers

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    #ChangeChat with Celine Schillinger Part 2

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 28, 2017 28:06


    Part 2 of my #changechat with Change Agent Extraordinaire and French Order of Merit awardee Celine Schillinger. We talk change with communities, courage and social media.

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    #changechat with Celine Schillinger part 1

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 16, 2017 20:43


    Part 1 of my #changechat with the very amazing Celine Schillinger

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    #ChangeChat with Pru Gell on Deep Democracy

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 27, 2017 21:37


    In this change management podcast I interview Prue Gell about Deep Democracy as a tool for facilitating organizational change

    ChangeChat with Joanne Rinaldi of Being Human

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 13, 2017 20:32


    Joanne and I talk Prosci research, methodologies, accreditation and the future of Change Management.

    #ChangeChat with ... me (Dr Jen Frahm)

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 21, 2017 20:05


    It's all happening! My book is ready to be released. I get none other than Trevor Young, PR Warrior, Reputation Revolutionist and co-founder of Zoetic Agency to interview me on it. We cover what its about, who will it appeal to, how did I write it, and where to get it! If you want a signed copy, head to conversationsofchange.com.au/book or if that's not important you can find it on [Amazon!][2] in both kindle and paperback. The book covers: Structured in three easy to read parts. Part 1: Shaping up - the decisions you need to make • Clarity on 4 universal points of confusion in change • Who’s who in the zoo! Easy to understand explanations of 10 necessary roles in change • Change success – a three legged stool, pull one element away and it falls over • 6 most commonly used change models explained Part 2 Moving forward – the 5 pillars of change success • 6 elements of change capable organisation • Change readiness and how to assess if you are ready for change • Dealing with change resistance – three key considerations • From the trenches - 5 pitfalls of change communication to avoid • 12 truisms of change leadership Part 3 Check the peripherals – things that you should be aware of • 5 Future of Work practices and how they can be used in your change efforts • 6 myths of change management that can get in the way • The ultimate information on how to develop your knowledge in change management – including associations, formal knowledge, communities of practice, self study with 11 change experts to follow on twitter and 17 change management blogs to bookmark Bonus chapter! A full summary of all four adventures [2]: https://www.amazon.com/Conversations-Change-Guide-Implementing-Workplace/dp/0648087921/ref=sr_1_1_twi_pap_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1500695084&sr=8-1&keywords=jen%20frahmstrong text

    Glory Enyinnaya and change in Africa #changechat

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 4, 2017 22:03


    I speak with change management consultant Glory Enyinnaya from Nigeria. We talk about change management in Africa, her upcoming book and the conference circuit in MENA.

    #SHOC with Gilbert Kruideneir Ep 024

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 17, 2017 8:38


    It's an 8 minute Sharp Hit of Change with Gilbert Kruideneir

    #SHOC with Has Razwi Ep 23

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 1, 2017 8:41


    An 8 minute Sharp Hit of Change with Has Razwi

    Joe Hutton on Technology and Organizational Change Ep 22 #changechat

    Play Episode Listen Later May 12, 2017 15:43


    I talk with CEO of Ralleo Joe Hutton about Technology and Organizational Change

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