IT in the D

Jer Staes of Daily Detroit is back! Bob and Randy talk with Jer about Detroit's food scene, including notable spots like Scotty Simpson's, Gonella's, and Sister Pie, as well as hidden gems such as Marcus Hamburgers and Norm's Diner. They also delve into tech innovations in the automotive industry, AI applications in daily life, and the importance of storytelling in enhancing consumer experiences. Special mentions include Detroit's local wrestling scene, the fascinating Detroit Shipping Company, and upcoming events.

Today, Bob and Randy are rejoined by Tom Lawrence of Lawrence Systems, an open-source advocate and YouTuber. They discuss the benefits and challenges of open-source solutions, particularly in comparison to VMware and other commercial software. Tom shares his experiences with open-source storage solutions for large-scale applications and offers insights into consulting on high-stakes IT projects, including data center rebuilding post-crisis. The conversation also touches on the rapid growth of AI technologies, challenges in AI model training, and the potential for AI to reshape various industries. Additionally, the hosts delve into personal stories, talk about the importance of tech community events, and reflect on the role of content creation in tech careers. The episode wraps up with a fun discussion on sci-fi shows and movies, from 'Black Mirror' to 'Star Wars: Andor.'

Peter Surowski, CTO of Brain Jar joins Bob and Randy to focus on small businesses for a change. Brain Jar is a web development and marketing agency for small businesses. The discussion centers around the current role of AI in helping small businesses market themselves effectively, the evolution of web development, and practical tips for businesses to compete with larger enterprises. They also touch on the impact of social media, cold calling, and various marketing strategies including Google ads, email campaigns, and staying consistent with branding. Additionally, the episode covers the importance of human connections and personalized marketing in the era of automation.

In this episode, Bob and Randy welcome long-time friend and guest Khary Frazier of Detroit is Different. They dive into a nostalgic conversation about their roots in podcasting, the evolution of content creation, and the unique culture of Detroit. They discuss their past experiences, the importance of rich relationships in content creation, and the changes seen in the city, especially post-bankruptcy. The talk also includes personal anecdotes about local hangouts, notable eateries, and the challenges and opportunities facing Detroit today. Towards the end, the conversation lightens with discussions about music, food, and community events.

Note: David was with us a few weeks ago—you might have heard that episode. If you did, you probably noticed the audio issues. We pulled down that episode and invited David back for another chat. David Juan returns! In this episode, he explains CDPs—Customer Data Platforms—to Bob and Randy. CDPs pull data from systems like CRMs, marketing automation tools, advertising systems, etc to help create personalized experiences for each customer. David explains different types of CDPs, how they work, where they get data, and why they're used. First, though. we chatted about what we're watching and how it's difficult to keep up with all the shows across all the streaming platforms. David's side projects include Normal Coffee and Scrum Detroit Meetup.

Todd Loiselle, CIO of National Food Group joins Bob and Randy to talk about how he became a CIO. Todd got off to a rocky start—he had problems in school and then he had a rough first job. But then he found success and was approached to be a CIO. Todd tells us his approach to the job and the digital transformation he implemented. Then, he gives advice for newbies just getting started. Stay tuned until the very end for a fun surprise!

In this episode Bob and Randy are joined by Syya Yasotornrat, founder of Brilliant Beam Media. Syya shares her journey of leaving a cushy corporate job at Hewlett Packard to venture into the world of recorded audio and video. She talks about the challenges and lessons learned from starting her podcast studio business, splitting with her business partner, and eventually founding Brilliant Beam Media. They discuss the nuances of B2B social media, particularly on LinkedIn, the importance of authentic branding, and the differences between webinars and video podcasts. The conversation also delves into public speaking, social media strategies, and the evolving landscape of digital content creation. Bob has a mission to flip the sales and marketing industry on its head by encouraging authenticity and better communication strategies.

In this week's episode, Bob and Randy talk to Umelo Onyejiaka who runs DevOps Detroit, a meetup for folks who work in or who are interested in DevOps. They discuss networking events, the importance of community in tech, and Umelo's journey from a finance and accounting background into cloud engineering. Umelo shares insights on DevOps, the significance of practical experience alongside certifications, and the role of projects in skill-building. The conversation also touches on personal interests, including boxing and judo, and Umelo's innovative app project aimed at facilitating language learning through conversation.

Bob and Randy talked to Justice Oshiyoye about his project DUHTROIT. DUHTROIT is a magazine featuring local creatives. The first issue (of many, hopefully), features the stunning artwork of seven photographers. We also talked to Justice about his favorite Detroit coney spot, and the other work he's doing. Crux Foundation Detroit supports minorities in outdoor spaces and activities. Data in Detroit is enhancing data analytics capacity and capabilities in Detroit by supporting businesses and increasing the skillsets of Detroiters.

This episode is quite literally the top of my mountain, my crown jewel moment, the summary of every podcast and every Comic Con I have attended. At the Great Lakes Comic-Con, I got to spend the entire weekend with Sam J. Jones himself, better known as Flash Gordon, Quarterback, NY Jets and Savior of the Universe.  Growing up, Flash Gordon was on the same level as Star Wars to me, and I was not only star struck, but in awe of what an amazing person Sam Jones is. They always say, "Don't meet your heroes.", but in this case, I am so happy I was able to.  I spent the entire weekend talking with Sam, but got to record our conversation for about 20 minutes where we talked about Hollywood, Flash Gordon, his appearance in Ted, his family, and life in general. This was bittersweet however, as the founder of Great Lakes Comic-Con, Mike DeSantis, tragically passed away a couple days before the event. I didn't get to thank him for this opportunity, but I am sure I will one day. RIP Mike. A million thank yous to my producer and co-host Randy Walker who spent hours cutting up 2hrs and 45 minutes of raw footage (because I didn't know how to work the Zoom mic).

This week, Bob chatted with James, Norm, and Heidi from Penguicon. The discussion covers an introduction of Penguicon—an open-source and sci-fi (and more!) convention, favorite memories from Penguicons past (the '80s parties we hosted kicked ass!), and what's coming up for Penguicon. Unfortunately, there will not be a Penguicon 2025. Instead, there will be a smaller event held this year to raise funds to make Penguicon 2026 the best it can be. That event is The Underground Masquerade, a formal masquerade fundraiser gala, held on May 17, 2025 at Laurel Manor in Livonia. Tickets start at $150.

David Juan returns! In this episode, he explains CDPs—Customer Data Platforms—to Bob and Randy. CDPs pull data from systems like CRMs, marketing automation tools, advertising systems, etc to help create personalized experiences for each customer. David explains different types of CDPs, how they work, where they get data, and why they're used. David also talks a bit about his recent health journey—it's important to pay attention to what you're body is doing and how to recognize what changes need to be made. David's side projects include Normal Coffee and Scrum Detroit Meetup.

In this episode, Bob and Randy discuss the power of networking and career growth with guests Steve York, CIO of 1-800-HANSONS, and Matt Spivey, CTO of Renodis. The conversation spans their career journeys, the significance of mentorship, and best practices for climbing the career ladder. The conversation also highlights charitable initiatives such as SIM Detroit's Michigan Technology Leaders Spring Summit, CIOs against Cancer, and Team RWB, emphasizing the importance of giving back to the community. Additionally, the episode delves into the current landscape of AI in the IT industry, with Steve and Matt sharing insights on its evolving role and practical applications.

Brad Mitchell, president of MojoHost, joins us this week. Brad was Bob's first client way back in the day. In addition to catching up and reminiscing, we talk about building a data center, the changes over the years, and what it's like running one now.

We're back in-studio! Joining Bob & Randy this week was Melinda Ann O'Neill, Director of Sales at Tanium. She was actually on the show all the way back on episode 15! We talk about her journey in to IT sales, being a woman in tech, leading the Michigan Chapter for the Alliance of Channel Women, and her experience donating a kidney.

We made it to 500! In this episode, Bob and Randy reminisce with former cohosts Jeff and Nuri and regular guest Jer.

Jer Staes of Daily Detroit is back! We start off talking about Thanksgiving leftovers. Then, we get into how Daily Detroit is doing--the podcast is approaching 1600 episodes! What's up in Detroit? The RenCen—at least part of it, but maybe all of it—is coming down soon. Jefferson Avenue is going to be rebuilt and the Detroit riverfront is leveling up. The Post Bar is reopening. Bob used to DJ there! Detroit needs more residents and more housing to put people in.

In this episode, Bob and Randy talk to RM Easterly, the founder of THYIM, an app focused on providing on-demand, everyday task services. RM shares insights on how the app fills unique market needs by offering practical services like roadside assistance, spider removal, and more, all within a user's 15-minute radius. We talk about her entrepreneurial journey, the inspiration behind THYIM, and the app's commitment to safety and affordability. RM also talks about her interesting dietary preferences.

In this episode, we chat with Mel Kolinski, Director of Channel Development at Ostra and an Co-Moderator for the Minnesota Chapter of the Alliance of Channel Women (ACW). The conversation highlights the importance of networking, mentorship, and leadership development for women in tech. Mel discusses her involvement with ACW and the initiatives they offer, including mentorship circles and leadership programs. The discussion also touches upon the need for honesty and transparency in the cybersecurity industry, as endorsed by the Truth in Cyber foundation. The episode encapsulates the journey and challenges women face in the tech sector and emphasizes the role of male allyship in fostering an inclusive environment.

Bob and Randy welcome guest Holly Owen, a former Detroiter turned New Orleans resident and author. Holly shares her experiences moving from Detroit to Boston and eventually to New Orleans, where she found inspiration to write her book Quit Playing Yourself during the pandemic. This episode Holly's journey of transitioning from real estate to Airbnb management and interior design in New Orleans, ultimately leading to her foray into writing. Holly discusses the challenges and insights gained in publishing her book, which combines art and relationship advice through an eclectic mix of photography and quotes. The episode delves into the creative process, the difficulties faced in self-publishing, and the impact of her work on readers. Additionally, the conversation touches on various personal stories, reflections on different places, and shared interests in media and entertainment.

Aaron Wilkerson, data and analytics leader at Carhartt, and organizer of the Detroit Low Key Data Meetup. They discuss the challenges of data quality and the importance of clean data for AI initiatives, the complexities of managing multiple data vendors, and how businesses are navigating cloud costs and modernization. They also touch on the integration of legal and cybersecurity aspects in data management, and the growing relevance of consumer data protection. The conversation provides insights into simplifying vendor management, the role of AI in business decision-making, and fostering a connection between data work and business value.

Entrepreneur and product developer and repeat offender Tom Nardone is back chatting about what he's done and what he's doing. 36 Ideas and a System (TEDxDetroit) Detroit Mower Gang ShopInPrivate.com, Bachelorette.com, Vibrators.com Dignity Lifts

We're joined this week by Jacki Lutz, Director of Content for the communication team at Auto Care Association and host of 'Carpool Confessions'. In this episode, we discuss the right to repair movement crucial to automotive independence and consumer choice. The conversation dives into the challenges faced by independent auto repair shops due to new vehicle technology, the data rights of vehicle owners, and the implications of wireless data transmission to automakers. Jacki also touches on personal branding, workforce development in the auto industry, and various professional development insights. If you want to tell your legislators you support Right to Repair, visit https://www.repairact.com to send them a letter.

Our friend Mike Zapcic is back to just shoot the breeze. We chat about movies, books, pop culture, and more. This was a casual chat with no agenda--just some friends catching up and geeking out.

Patrick Garrity, a security researcher and evangelist at VulnCheck, is back! We discuss his career evolution, vulnerability management, AI's impact on security, and the recurring nature of security incidences. He also provides insights into the Black Hat conference.

Wendy Ernzen joins us to talk about her podcast Let's Plant Houses where she discusses the victories and successes of families whose children—young and adult—have intellectual and developmental disabilities (IDD). Whether you're a parent on a similar journey or just seeking to expand your understanding, you should subscribe on Apple Podcasts or Spotify. If you are interested in learning more about or contributing to Autism Alliance of Michigan, reach out to Wendy.

Jason “JD” David returns and—after some ribbing from us last time—has changed the name of his service to Gym Force, and he's doing some gret things. Hear all about how it's going in this episode.

This week, Bob and Randy are happy to have back Tom Lawrence (Lawrence Systems, Youtube Channel, CWNR)! It's been a year since his last visit. CrowdStrike is in the news recently due to a faulty update bringing down global infrastructure. Tom helps us understand what happened, why, and what the ramifications are.

This episode was a bit of a divergence from the regular topics we cover on IT in the D: this week we were joined by author James Parker, staff writer at The Atlantic, and author of the book Get Me Through the Next Five Minutes: Odes to Being Alive. The book delves into personal struggles, mental health, and life's daily challenges. The conversation covers Parker's unique writing style, his use of the word 'ode' in the book, and his thoughts on meditation, buzz management, and writing in the age of AI. The episode also touches on lighter topics like wrestling, food preferences, and favorite action heroes.

This week, Bob and Randy were joined by JB Benjamin of Kryotech. We talk about his companies, and his projects, and his uninque views on the world of AI, blockchain, NFTs, and their flaws and use cases.

This episode, Bob and Randy welcome Bob Skinner, longtime Detroit IT veteran and the Managing Director of North America for EcoG. They discuss various aspects of the electric vehicle (EV) industry, including challenges with charging infrastructure, technological advancements, and the future of EVs. The conversation covers issues such as the role of the government in infrastructure, sustainability concerns, and innovations like highways that charge cars as they drive. They also touch upon personal anecdotes and the excitement surrounding new EV models.

In this episode Bob and Randy invite Dan Salinas and Sarv Shah from Nobl9 to dive deep into the complexities of Site Reliability Engineering (SRE) and Service Level Objectives (SLOs). Discover the origins of SRE, the significance of SLOs in improving customer experience, and the impact of digital reliability on businesses today. From the challenges of maintaining microservices to the advent of cloud dependency, this episode is packed with insights on ensuring operational excellence in our digital world.

Brian Scheble is back to talk to Bob and Randy about about what's going on with VMWare. Topics include transformative changes in VMware's business strategy under Broadcom's ownership, implications for small businesses and MSPs, alternatives like Nutanix and cloud solutions, and the broader data commodification impact.

The NFL Draft 2024 is coming soon to Detroit, and with it, The Hispanic C-Suite Corporate Council (HC3) is hosting a NFL Draft Hispanic Celebration. Andre Arbelaez joins Bob and Randy to talk about this upcoming event as well as a give a refresher on the HC3.

Ming Chen (X/Twitter, Instagram, A Shared Universe PodcaStudio) is back to catch up with Bob and Randy. There are lots of stories and reminiscing, as well as discussion of Ming's latest adventures and escapades. Ming is a long-time friend of the show and he's always a blast!

Astronomicon is back with their seventh installment! Astronomicon is a pop culture convention with something for fans of all ages. Bob and Randy talk to Astronomicon organizer Mikey about what makes the event unique, why it's fun, and what guests will be in attendance this year. Plus, episodes like this alway devolve into fun stories of past encounters—always a good time! Astronomicon 7 is coming up April 12 – 14 at Burton Manor in Livonia.

This week, Bob and Randy are joined by John Bingham, COO of Speak by Design. They discus John's journey from high-stress CISO roles at major companies to consulting, shedding light on the skills necessary to succeed in the ever-evolving cyber security landscape. The conversation takes an intriguing turn towards sales principles, relationship building, and effective communication, revealing unconventional perspectives on what it truly means to be a CISO. Additionally, John shares personal anecdotes of working alongside his wife and juggling family life.

In this episode, Bob and Randy hang out with special guest Brian “Schneebs” of Great Security Debate. First, Bob provides a review of Aquaman: The Lost Kingdom. Then, the topic shifts to data security with an emphasis on some of the security scams floating around like the pig butchering scam. Later, Brian gives advice on the types of scams and how to recognize them. Finally, cryptocurrency scams are discussed, such as the Centra Tech fraud and the movie Bitconned.

Matt Van Italie of Sema is back (last visit). The conversation delves into the challenges and advantages of remote work, the need for strategic and operational innovation, the role of human input in AI, and the significance of clear and concise communication. We also talk about the balance between structured communication and the empowerment of workers to waste less time, ultimately highlighting the value of lifelong learning in honing effective communication skills. Bob recommends the movie BlackBerry.

Bob and Randy this week speak to Matt Rutter, Sr. Partner Sales Manager at Amazon Web Services (AWS) about various aspects related to sales and entrepreneurial ventures. Matt shares his experiences and approaches to sales, social selling, his book From Clicks to Clients, as well as his mini property venture known as the Rockabilly Retreat in Memphis. The conversation also covers themes like artificial intelligence in sales communications, branding, use of LinkedIn, and customer centricity in sales strategies.

In this episode, Bob and Randy chat with Steve York, CIO of 1-800 Hansons. Steve shares his insightful perspectives on IT leadership, cybersecurity practices, adopting artificial technologies, and the importance of networking and mentorship in the IT industry for knowledge sharing and problem solving. Steve shares his experience with different AI applications, worries about security, and the need for solutions to solve specific business problems. The hosts and Steve further explore the significance of cybersecurity, the role of people in businesses, and the importance of a company's culture and ethos. Later in the episode, they delve into the activities of SIM Detroit and the Michigan Technology Leaders summit and their contributions to mentoring newer generations in companies and serving the community.

In this episode of 'IT in the D', Bob and Randy chat with Jason Brown, a renowned IT security manager from the Shyft Group. They discuss the influence of AI and security in today's tech world and how it's poised to change our future.  Jason also shares some insights about his book, the 'Executive Cybersecurity Handbook'. The conversation also delves into vital issues like malware, ransomware, and identity management, offering listeners an in-depth understanding of the current cybersecurity landscape.

This week, we were joined by IT in the D Legend Nuri Gocay, Chief Solutions Officer at Local Measure and former co-host of this very show. We kicked off talking about the Humane AI Pin, a wearable cell phone. Bob and Randy were not amused, however Nuri is intrigued by the notion of getting rid of his screen. It will be interesting to follow the journey and see if this turns out to be another Google Glass. We then got into emerging tech and what is the next big thing.  Lastly, Nuri goes to Burning Man every year. His stories are amazing and he really should have his own show talking about it.

This week, Alex Linebrink, CEO of Passage, is back to talk to Bob and Randy to about what's new in the ticketing space as well as some milestones and recognition Passage has received lately. Alex was last on Episode 439. They discuss how ticketing processes have evolved, the use of AI in understanding audience preferences, and their experience with selling over 8 million tickets. They also touch on the impact of service fees and issues with transparency in the ticketing industry.

I'm trying something new this week: These show notes were generated by putting a transcript into ChatGPT. Feedback is appreciated! —Randy We recently heard Jeff Marraccini on the "This Week in Enterprise Technology (TWiET)" podcast. Jeff, the Chief Information Security Officer (CISO) at Altair, joined us this week to share insights into his background and the challenges Altair faces in cybersecurity as a globally acquisitive company. The conversation explores Jeff's transition from a Vice President of IT to a CISO, underscoring the importance of continuous learning and formal courses from ISC2 and ISACA to adapt to the evolving cybersecurity landscape. Emphasis is placed on the complex vendor landscape in cybersecurity and the need to implement zero trust as a methodology rather than just a product. Jeff delves into Altair's approach to global operations, collaborating with teams across China, India, Europe, and the United States. Regulatory challenges, such as restrictions on hardware in China, are discussed. The podcast concludes with a discussion on the evolving cybersecurity landscape, highlighting Jeff's optimism about advancements like memory-safe languages and Microsoft's adoption of Rust. Despite existing challenges, Jeff sees promising developments and disruptive solutions in the cybersecurity space. A noteworthy segment of the discussion involves the importance of identity in cybersecurity. Jeff and Bob emphasize that identity management should be at the crux of security efforts, recognizing its role as a foundational element for effective cybersecurity measures. The conversation highlights the shift in focus from traditional security measures, like firewalls, to a more comprehensive approach centered around identity management. Furthermore, Bob and Jeff touch upon the evolution of cybersecurity news coverage. They discuss the noticeable decrease in mainstream media coverage of security breaches, speculating on whether this shift is influenced by the insurance industry advising companies to keep incidents quiet or if it reflects a change in news priorities. Jeff acknowledges the continued prevalence of security issues covered by specialized outlets like the Cyberwire podcast, CSO Online, and Dark Reading. Towards the end, the conversation pivots to the impact of Gen AI (Generative Artificial Intelligence) and digital transformation on the industry. Jeff shares insights into Altair's recent acquisition of RapidMiner, emphasizing the empowerment of individuals to leverage AI techniques for various applications, including data science and cybersecurity. The discussion underscores the potential for Gen AI to enhance efficiency and collaboration across different fields. The podcast concludes with Bob raising a concern about the younger generation's reluctance to pursue careers in IT, especially in areas like cybersecurity and data science. Jeff offers guidance, encouraging individuals to explore these fields through online courses and hands-on projects, emphasizing their applicability across diverse industries. The conversation touches on the need for a shift in mindset and the potential for technology-driven roles to drive innovation and problem-solving. Overall, the discussion provides a comprehensive overview of cybersecurity challenges, industry trends, and the transformative impact of emerging technologies.

This week, we chatted with Jason Charnas from Gesher Human Services. They help thousands of people in areas of career development and training, and they also have a program helping those with disabilities find employment. We got into resume writing and their philosophy in helping showcase work history. The best part—they do it for free! We aren't big fans of companies that charge for this. We also got into IT training and certifications that will attract employers in this market. Jason was a great interview and we hope you enjoy the listen! (Referenced episode: Episode 443 with Paul Blatt, Gesher Human Services)

We always like learning about new things, so we had David Juan on the show to talk all things MarTech including UX, Enterprise SEO, A/B Testing, and how he used those skills to get equity in a local start-up, Normal Coffee.  We asked: when do you know what is good? When do you know when it's done? What do you use as your barometer? And David cleared things up perfectly. David also runs the Scrum Detroit Meetup; give them a look if you are interested in Agile.  It was his first time on a podcast, but David showed up like a long-time veteran—hope you enjoy the listen!

Every so often, you get that guest that flips the script of what you thought you could accomplish doing a tech podcast. This week, we were lucky to chat to Lou Maresca of This Week in Enterprise Tech (TWiET) on TWIT.tv.  Lou has been podcasting as long as us, since 2013 and has produced over 500 episodes. If you've ever listened to his show, you know he truly gets into the weeds and his knowledge of the industry shows. We started talking about the talent gap and what we can do to change it. We then went rapid-fire, talking everything from enterprise security to GenAI and even blockchain. He's truly a nerd's nerd as we ended talking Star Wars: Ahsoka and Episodes 7–9.  I highly suggest subscribing to his show if you are in or around the industry. With that said, we hope you enjoy this podcast!

This week, we were joined by Scott Smith, Generative AI expert to do a deep dive into the topic: what it is, its rise to popularity, corporate governance, and ethics. We ended the show with some fun and asked ChatGPT for some date night in Detroit suggestions, and to respond as a pirate. Here's the result: Arrr, matey! If ye be lookin' fer a swashbucklin' date night in Detroit, here be some fine ideas to consider: A Stroll Along the Riverfront:Set yer sails for the Detroit RiverWalk. Take a leisurely walk hand-in-hand along the water, enjoyin' the scenic views of the river, the Renaissance Center, and the Belle Isle Bridge. Dine Like a Pirate: Find a fine establishment in Greektown, Corktown, or Midtown to savor some delectable grub. Perhaps ye fancy seafood or a juicy steak, or even some Motor City pizza – Detroit's got it all, matey! Detroit Institute of Arts (DIA):If ye be art lovers, head to the DIA, where ye can explore a treasure trove of fine art, includin' the famous Diego Rivera murals. Don't forget to raise a glass at the Kresge Court for a romantic toast! Belle Isle Adventure: For a day of exploration, sail over to Belle Isle. Visit the conservatory, take a bike ride, or simply enjoy a picnic on the lush island. Detroit Distillery Tour: If ye be enjoyin' a bit of rum or whiskey, embark on a distillery tour in Detroit. Learn about the makin' of spirits and enjoy some tastin' sessions. Night at the Theatre: Check out what be playin' at the Fox Theatre or the Detroit Opera House. Catch a show or a concert for a memorable evening. Starry Night at the Planetarium:Visit the Wayne State University Planetarium and stargaze together. It be a romantic way to explore the cosmos. Downtown Ice Skatin':In the winter months, the Campus Martius Park be a grand spot for ice skatin'. Hold hands as ye glide across the rink under the twinklin' lights. Haunted Detroit Tour: If ye both be admirers of ghostly tales and history, take a haunted tour of the city. Detroit has its fair share of spooky stories to share. Riverboat Cruise:Look into takin' a riverboat cruise on the Detroit River. Some offer dinner cruises or moonlit sails for a romantic adventure on the high seas. Remember, me heartie, the best date be one where ye both be enjoyin' each other's company. So, choose the adventure that suits yer tastes and make it a night to remember in the Motor City!

In this episode, Jacob Ennis from Center for Simulation & Innovation joined us to talk about the applications of augmented reality (AR) and virtual reality (VR). Last time we talked about AR on the show was episode 158 with Spellbound. Plus, we find out why people confuse AR and artificial intelligence (AI) and we hear his thoughts on the Apple Vision Pro. Plus, Jacob is a hobbyist brewer and we're networking Detroit one beer at a time, so we had a few questions about his beer. (The video Jacob mentioned of robots fighting back!)

*Disclaimer, I work with Katie; however, candidly, I didn't have a great grasp of project management and delivery.—Bob This week, we spoke with Katie Schulz, Director of Business Advisory Services & Strategic Delivery at Slalom Consulting. Being a sales guy my entire career, we always assume once we get the PO, the hard work is over. The team behind delivery would think otherwise and Katie spoke of the evolution of project management from being simply a reporter to taking an agile approach and storytelling business outcomes.