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CTL Script/ Top Stories of September 12th Publish Date: September 12th   Pre-Roll: From the Ingles Studio Welcome to the Award-Winning Cherokee Tribune Ledger Podcast  Today is Friday, September 12th and Happy Birthday to Jesse Owens I’m Peyton Spurlock and here are the stories Cherokee is talking about, presented by Times Journal Judge upholds key provision of Georgia elections overhaul Rootstock in downtown Woodstock is closing its doors Democratic candidate for governor leaving state Senate post Plus, Leah McGrath from Ingles Markets on fast food We’ll have all this and more coming up on the Cherokee Tribune-Ledger Podcast, and if you’re looking for Community news, we encourage you to listen and subscribe!  Commercial: Ingles Markets 3 STORY 1: Judge upholds key provision of Georgia elections overhaul   A federal judge upheld part of Georgia’s hotly debated 2022 election law, specifically the restrictions on third-party groups distributing absentee ballot applications. In a 50-page ruling, U.S. District Judge J.P. Boulee said the state had a “compelling interest” in reducing voter confusion and boosting confidence in elections. The law, passed in 2021 after Joe Biden flipped Georgia blue in 2020, also limits drop boxes, requires ID for absentee voting, and bans giving food or water to voters in line. Voting rights groups aren’t backing down, calling the decision a blow to free speech. STORY 2: Rootstock in downtown Woodstock is closing its doors   Rootstock, a downtown Woodstock favorite for eight years, is closing its doors on Sept. 28. The tapas and wine spot, known for its rooftop bar and live music, announced the bittersweet news on Facebook, thanking the community for its support. “It’s with heavy hearts and deep gratitude that we say goodbye,” wrote owners Sean and Anna Daily. The building, recently sold, will soon house Rreal Tacos, a Mexican restaurant set to open in March, bringing new flavors—and over 100 local jobs—to Woodstock. STORY 3: Democratic candidate for governor leaving state Senate post  Georgia Democrats are down a state senator. Jason Esteves, announced Wednesday he’s stepping away from the Senate to focus fully on his run for governor in next year’s Democratic primary. He’ll face tough competition: former Atlanta Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms and ex-Labor Commissioner Michael Thurmond, both big names in the party. During his three years in the Senate, Esteves pushed for affordable housing, better schools, and healthcare access. His campaign highlights include tax breaks for Atlanta seniors and helping block the Buckhead City movement. We have opportunities for sponsors to get great engagement on these shows. Call 770.874.3200 for more info.    We’ll be right back. Break: Ingles Markets 3 STORY 4: Cherokee Sheriff’s Office asking for help finding missing teen  The Cherokee Sheriff’s Office is asking for help finding 15-year-old Gladys Bautista, who hasn’t been seen since Tuesday morning, Sept. 9. She was last spotted getting on the bus to Creekview High School. Gladys is 5’5”, weighs about 140 pounds, and is listed as a missing person in the GCIC/NCIC system. If you’ve seen her or know anything—anything at all—please call CSO detectives at 770-929-0239, your local law enforcement, or 911. Her family and the community are counting on every set of eyes to help bring her home. STORY 5: Interim U.S. Attorney named official appointee  Theodore S. Hertzberg is officially Georgia’s new U.S. attorney for the Northern District, appointed Monday by federal judges. Hertzberg had been filling the role on an interim basis since May, after U.S. Attorney General Pamela Bondi tapped him to step in. He took over from Richard Moultrie Jr., who briefly held the position after Ryan Buchanan resigned when Trump’s second term began. With nearly a decade as an assistant U.S. attorney, Hertzberg’s prosecuted everything from gang leaders to gun traffickers. 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Sporting Kansas City were unfortunately unable to capture a result against Austin FC Sunday Night at Children's Mercy Park, falling 2-1 to the Verde giving up a couple goals on the types of sequences that have become all too common for them this year.  It was a return to the 4-2-3-1 setup we saw for the first hour against Colorado, and similarly to that game  Kerry Zavagnin switched to the 4-4-2 to attempt to try to take the game to Austin late, but they were unfortunately not able to catch lightning twice, and gave up a late set piece goal that despite Dejan Joveljic's best efforts in stoppage time were not able to equalize.It was yet another reminder that this team still has a lot of work ahead of it to become a consistently competitive team in MLS, and reinvigorated conversations about how the team might go about doing it roster-wise.  The long awaited CSO conversation was brought back with renewed vigor as Andrew Wiebe reported pre-game that the team was in final interviews for the position and alluded to some interesting details that really got the conversation going regarding how significant this roster turnover in the winter could potentially be.The USMNT completed their September window with two very differentiated performances, candidly the first game was quite different between the two halves against S. Korea, and an interesting tactical switch by Pochettino had at least one member of this podcast crew making comparisons to Sporting KC and how a setup we've begged for most of the year might bring similar positive results.Finally, the KC Current continue dominating NWSL, we do a quick stock up stock down of the USMNT roster, and get into a preview of this weekend's trip to Salt Lake City.Music by The Spin Wires

Europe is recalibrating its strategy in the global shift to electric vehicles (EVs), with China streaking ahead while the US is facing significant headwinds, according to the latest EY Mobility Lens Forecaster. This AI-powered model projects light-duty vehicle sales through 2050 across the three largest markets globally, Europe, China and the US. Across these three markets, battery electric vehicle (BEV) sales are expected to exceed 50% by 2034, marking a pivotal moment. Hybrids and plug-in hybrids (PHEVs) are forecast to maintain a c.30% share through 2036, underscoring their role as a key bridge to full electrification. However, the pace of the change across the three markets varies significantly, with China expected to achieve a 50% share of new energy vehicles (NEV) sold in 2025. Europe's EV sales are forecast to surpass petrol and diesel by 2028, before crossing 50% by 2032 under tightening emissions rules. In contrast, the US is now projected to reach 50% EV adoption by 2039 (a five-year delay from previous projections) amid policy delays, high costs, and charging gaps. Ireland's EV market continues to evolve with hybrid vehicles playing an increasingly important role in bridging the gap for many consumers while infrastructure expands to support wider EV adoption. The latest Central Statistics Office (CSO) data shows a strong rebound in EV uptake in 2025, with new electric vehicle registrations rising by 64% in July of this year compared to the same month in 2024, and a 27% increase in the first half of the year. Hybrid and plug-in hybrid vehicles also saw a 110% year-on-year increase in June, highlighting their role in maintaining momentum. According to the Society of the Irish Motor Industry (SIMI), this upward trend continued into August, with battery electric vehicle registrations accelerating by nearly 70% year-on-year, reinforcing the strength of Ireland's EV recovery. This recovery follows a temporary slowdown in 2024. However, targeted government support, including tiered grants, toll discounts and fleet electrification schemes, is helping to address some well-documented challenges. Ireland's EV transition strategy has been supported by Government grant schemes, which have sought to accelerate the availability of EV Charging Infrastructure - grant schemes administered by Transport Infrastructure Ireland are supporting the rollout of 131 high-powered chargers across 17 roadside locations and 175 fast and ultra-fast chargers across 53 hubs by the end of 2025. Julia Ann Corkery, EY Ireland Partner and Transport Leader, says: "Globally, the EV transition is advancing, but unevenly. China benefits from stable policy and a robust EV ecosystem. Europe is on a steady path under strict emissions targets; however, the pace of adoption will be slower than was previously anticipated, with hybrid technologies playing an increasingly important role in bridging the gap to full electrification in the short to medium term. The US, meanwhile, faces policy uncertainty, high costs and infrastructure gaps. Electric vehicles are central to Ireland's transport decarbonisation strategy, and it's encouraging to see strong momentum reflected in the CSO and SIMI data from 2025, as well as the broader trends across Europe. The rise in EV registrations, alongside shifting consumer preferences and the rollout of additional charging infrastructure, signals a dynamic market which is beginning to mature. As battery electric vehicle adoption accelerates towards 2032, Ireland is well-positioned to benefit, particularly as infrastructure and affordability measures continue to evolve to support wider uptake. In the interim period, hybrid vehicles will be expected to play a central role in bridging the gap on the transition to zero-emission vehicles." Europe: Rebounding after 2027 The EY Forecaster suggests that in Europe, economic pressures, reduced incentives, and softer emissions penalties will dampen BEV growth through 2027. But stricter CO2 l...

This week on The Business of Open Source, I spoke with Rob Taylor, CTO/CSO and founder of ChipFlow. Although ChipFlow is unambiguously a software company, it creates software that facilitate the creation of semiconductors, so it straddles the software and hardware worlds.Some of the things we talked about include: The state of open source in the semiconductor space, and why that matters. A large part of it is the high cost of proprietary software for chip design, and the fact that there are a lot of barriers to entry, both for the design software and to chip creation. Rob also talked about how an open source approach is the only way to bridge between research institutions and universities and the commercial world — too often, researchers would do brilliant work during a Ph.D. program and then it would be completely lost when they entered the commercial world. On the other hand, open source is little-known and mistrusted in the semiconductor space. Rob described it as a marketing liability, which is why it's downplayed on the company webpage. —> I come across this more often than is often recognized inside the open source bubble. It's one thing to build an open source company in the software infrastructure space, where open source has a positive reputation and is often seen as simply table stakes; it's quite another to build an open source company in a conservative industry where open source doesn't have a positive image. Perhaps the most interesting thing is that this means you have to have a reason other than marketing to build and maintain the open source project. Want to join others to talk about the challenges and opportunities in building open source companies? Join us at Open Source Founders Summit next spring in Paris. 

In this episode of CRO Spotlight, host Warren Zenna sits down with Andy Mowat, Founder of Whispered, to explore the challenges of landing the ideal Chief Revenue Officer role. Andy shares his journey from running revenue operations at multiple unicorns to building a platform that uncovers unposted executive opportunities. They discuss the ambiguities in CRO job descriptions and the importance of aligning personal strengths with company needs. Warren and Andy emphasize how aspiring and current CROs can evaluate roles by challenging perceptions and ensuring a strategic fit, drawing from real-world examples of successful transitions.Andy delves into the critical differences between CRO and CSO positions, highlighting how CEOs' understanding of these roles impacts hiring decisions. The conversation covers the value of pushing back during interviews to clarify responsibilities, such as owning marketing, sales, and customer success under one leader. They explore why CROs should avoid fragmented reporting structures and seek environments where they can drive unified revenue strategies. For CEOs building teams, the discussion offers insights on recognizing when a company is ready for a CRO, typically around significant operational complexity.The duo addresses common pitfalls, like accepting roles at mismatched company stages or overlooking red flags in CEO dynamics. Andy introduces practical tools, such as maintaining a personal user manual to foster better working relationships from day one. They stress the need for CROs to conduct thorough due diligence, including board conversations, to avoid short tenures that harm careers. This episode provides actionable advice for revenue leaders on positioning themselves effectively and building networks that open doors to high-potential opportunities.Finally, Warren and Andy highlight Whispered's role in empowering executives through insights, connections, and community support. They encourage CROs to gain clarity on their unique value propositions before pursuing roles, whether through shared databases or collaborative networks. For CEOs aiming to hire or support top revenue talent, the talk underscores the benefits of mature leadership that values alignment over quick fixes. Tune in for an enlightening dialogue that equips listeners with strategies to thrive in the evolving world of revenue leadership.

For the Glory KC is back with the 145th episode of the show!Sporting Kansas City failed once again to do what they haven't been able to do all season. String together back-to-back wins. That leaves them all but eliminated from the 2025 playoffs, simply seeking to avoid a slide that puts them at the bottom of the table. We spend just a little time on the Austin FC game (but we still had a few thoughts) and move to more pressing matters.Both of our next conversations were triggered by a simple tweet from Andrew Weibe.First, we talk through that Chief Soccer Officer (CSO) search update, including that it'll happen before the season is over, they are in final interviews, and the move will come from outside the organization (so no Mike Burns as CSO).Then the last paragraph sparked a bit of a discussion online."CSO could make wholesale changes. Seventeen players out of contract. Two of three DP spots could be opened, all three U22."First, the two DPs Sporting KC have, cannot be bought down. So, the implication is that Dejan Joveljic or Manu Garcia could be sold, and Weibe went on to confirm that's what he meant. So, should Joveljic be sold? If so, how much will that cost a team to pry him away? He's just 26-years-old. He's at 17 goals and counting this year. Sheena and I get into the discussion and the fan reaction around that idea. I try to break down why it might financially make some sense, but also assess the risk involved in such a move.Finally, the KC Current continued their winning ways with their 12th straight game without a loss, including only a single draw. The game was their 9th road win of the season, an NWSL record. With the Washington Spirit also winning, they remain only 14 points clear of second place. That won't allow next weekend to end in them winning the shield, but if they beat the Spirit, it'll all but lock up the trophy.In the Digital Crawl, we hit on a few more topics, including:Sounders and Miami's wild Leagues Cup finalMLS launching 'ref cam'Alyssa Thompson leaves NWSL for ChelseaJaedyn Shaw getting traded during the podcastUSMNT losing to South KoreaHere is a rundown of topics and start times:KC Cauldron Town Hall this Thursday!! - 4:00Sporting KC blow a lead Against Austin FC - 4:41A big update on the CSO hiring process - 29:26Should Sporting KC Sell Dejan for the Right Price? - 33:00Former SKC Player Movement - 44:35KC Current inch closer to the Shield - 46:16Digital Crawl - 59:05Upcoming GamesUSMNT vs. Japan, Tues. Sept 9th at 6:30PM CDTKC Current vs. Washington Spirit, Sat. Sept 13th at 6:30PMSporting KC @ Real Salt Lake, Sat. Sept 13th at 8:30PMSKC II @ North Texas SC, Sun. Sept 14th at 7:30PMAs a special gift to For the Glory KC listeners and KC Soccer Journal readers, Backheeled dot com is giving away 30 days of their amazing, independent American soccer coverage for free. If you decide you want to turn that into a paid membership, they'll give you 10 percent off too. Just follow this link!Big thanks to Splitter Conspiracy (listen to them here) for our theme music made with the permission of the KC Cauldron.

"If we ever get to the point where nobody's arguing about Bitcoin, I would be afraid that that's because nobody cares anymore and Bitcoin is actually dead or dying." In this episode of THE Bitcoin Podcast, Bitcoin technologist Jameson Lopp (Casa co-founder & CSO) joins Walker America to cut through today's Bitcoin noise: filter wars, spam on Bitcoin, standardness vs. consensus, the real risks (social engineering vs wrench attacks), and how to actually secure generational wealth with family multi-sig. We also dive into the quantum computing threat—timelines, soft-fork options, migration game theory, and why coordination (not cryptography alone) will be the hard part. Plus: culture/politics, ossification, and how debates keep Bitcoin antifragile. FOLLOW JAMESON: NOSTR: https://primal.net/lopp X: https://x.com/lopp WEB: https://www.lopp.net/ If you enjoy THE Bitcoin Podcast you can help support the show by doing the following: FOLLOW ME (Walker) on @WalkerAmerica on X | @TitcoinPodcast on X | Nostr Personal (walker) | Nostr Podcast (Titcoin) | Instagram Subscribe to THE Bitcoin Podcast (and leave a review) on Fountain | YouTube | Spotify | Rumble | EVERYWHERE ELSE ***** THE Bitcoin Podcast Partners: > http://bitbox.swiss/walker -- use promo code WALKER for 5% off the Bitcoin-only Bitbox02 hardware wallet. > GET FOLD ($10 in bitcoin): https://use.foldapp.com/r/WALKER

The Charlotte Symphony Orchestra's 2025-26 season gets underway at its annual Gala concert on September 18th with a very special guest. The CSO's President and Chief Executive Officer, David Fisk, tells us all about that and some other upcoming highlights from the season. Plus, a preview of new Visual Arts offerings across our region and the weekly FanFare segment to help you fill out your events calendar. Learn more about the Charlotte Symphony

The latest figures from the CSO show consumers are paying five percent more on their groceries now than this time last year. Our reporter, Josh Crosbie has been following our food from farm to fork to examine the different costs, that are adding to these prices.

In this episode of the Midweek Takeaway, we're joined by Tim McCarthy, CEO, and Dr Sébastien Goudreau, newly appointed CSO of ImmuPharma. The company has just announced a groundbreaking patent for its lead asset P140, the world's first “Immunormalizer,” offering a precision diagnostic and treatment approach for autoimmune diseases. With potential 20-year exclusivity, the patent targets patients with the newly identified “Type M” immune disorder, who are super-responders to P140, opening the door to safer, more effective therapies across up to 50 autoimmune conditions. We discuss how this dual opportunity as both a first-in-class therapy and novel diagnostic test positions ImmuPharma at the forefront of a $100bn treatment and $10bn diagnostics market, what this means for partnering potential, and why the company believes P140 could transform the landscape of autoimmune disease management. Disclaimer & Declaration of Interest This podcast may contain paid promotions, including but not limited to sponsorships, endorsements, or affiliate partnerships. The information, investment views, and recommendations provided are for general informational purposes only and should not be construed as a solicitation to buy or sell any financial products related to the companies discussed. Any opinions or comments are made to the best of the knowledge and belief of the commentators; however, no responsibility is accepted for actions based on such opinions or comments. The commentators may or may not hold investments in the companies under discussion. Listeners are encouraged to perform their own research and consult with a licensed professional before making any financial decisions based on the content of this podcast. 

The latest data from the CSO suggests that we're jumping between jobs that little bit less than earlier this year. Mark Price used to run one of Britain's biggest supermarkets Waitrose before he became a Government Minister and a member of the House of Lords. But what does he make of the world of work surrounded by such geopolitical and economic uncertainty? All to chat with Mark Price the author of the book ‘Work Happier: How To Be Happy & Successful at Work'.

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Earlier in the year, the CSO reported a 30% decline in visitor numbers for February, Economists warned that Ireland's tourism industry was at a tipping point, while others said Ireland had become too expensive for holiday makers to handle. So, as the Summer of Tourism 2025 comes to a close, Newstalk reporter Sarah Madden finds out if the high season really did end on a low:

Comparing and contrasting “JAWS” by Universal with the novel “JAWS” by Peter Benchley.  This podcast contains certain copyrighted works that were not specifically authorized to be used by the copyright holder(s), but which we believe in good faith are protected by federal law and the fair use doctrine (Section 107 of the Copyright Act). If you have […] The post CSO 20b – JAWS Part 2 first appeared on Cinema Story Origins Podcast.

With Sarah still sadly indisposed, John and Laura discuss the stories of the week: The big engagement in America, the controversy around Dr. Umar Al Qadri, the CSO migration numbers.. and that Sunday Indo article about how the nation loves Michael D.

With Sarah still sadly indisposed, John and Laura discuss the stories of the week: The big engagement in America, the controversy around Dr. Umar Al Qadri, the CSO migration numbers.. and that Sunday Indo article about how the nation loves Michael D.

This week, Ben speaks with John Anthony Smith, Founder and CSO at Fenix24, about why law firms are falling behind on recovery readiness as human-operated attacks continue to rise. Ben also shares insights on a hack impacting the federal court system, while Dave takes a look at a Michigan Supreme Court ruling on digital device fishing. While this show covers legal topics, and Ben is a lawyer, the views expressed do not constitute legal advice. For official legal advice on any of the topics we cover, please contact your attorney.  Complete our annual ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠audience survey⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ before August 31. Links to today's stories: ⁠50% of Law Firms are Inadequately Prepared for a Ransomware Incident. Senator castigates federal judiciary for ignoring “basic cybersecurity” Fourth Amendment Victory: Michigan Supreme Court Reins in Digital Device Fishing Expeditions ⁠Get the weekly Caveat Briefing delivered to your inbox. Like what you heard? Be sure to check out and subscribe to our ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Caveat Briefing⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, a weekly newsletter available exclusively to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠N2K Pro⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ members on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠N2K CyberWire's⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ website. N2K Pro members receive our Thursday wrap-up covering the latest in privacy, policy, and research news, including incidents, techniques, compliance, trends, and more. This week's ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Caveat Briefing⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ covers how a whistleblower report is alleging DOGE copied millions of social security numbers to an unprotected cloud server. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Curious about the details? Head over to the ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Caveat Briefing⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ for the full scoop and additional compelling stories. Got a question you'd like us to answer on our show? You can send your audio file to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠caveat@thecyberwire.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Hope to hear from you. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

According to CSO statistics from 2023 four in ten adults report experiencing sexual violence in their lifetime, clearly it is an issue that needs to continue to be highlighted. But is how rape is depicted on tv and in movies reinforcing myths around sexual violence? Pat discusses this further with Rachel Murrough Chief Executive Dublin Rape Crisis Centre.

⬥GUEST⬥Andy Ellis, Legendary CISO [https://howtociso.com] | On LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/csoandy/⬥HOST⬥Host: Sean Martin, Co-Founder at ITSPmagazine and Host of Redefining CyberSecurity Podcast | On LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/imsmartin/ | Website: https://www.seanmartin.com⬥EPISODE NOTES⬥In this episode of Redefining CyberSecurity, host Sean Martin speaks with Andy Ellis, former CSO at Akamai and current independent advisor, about the shifting expectations of security leadership in today's SaaS-powered, AI-enabled business environment.Andy highlights that many organizations—especially mid-sized startups—struggle not because they lack resources, but because they don't know how to contextualize what security means to their business goals. Often, security professionals aren't equipped to communicate with executives or boards in a way that builds shared understanding. That's where advisors like Andy step in: not to provide a playbook, but to help translate and align.One of the core ideas discussed is the reframing of security as an enabler rather than a gatekeeper. With businesses built almost entirely on SaaS platforms and outsourced operations, IT and security should no longer be siloed. Andy encourages security teams to “own the stack”—not just protect it—by integrating IT management, vendor oversight, and security into a single discipline.The conversation also explores how AI and automation empower employees at every level to “vibe code” their own solutions, shifting innovation away from centralized control. This democratization of tech raises new opportunities—and risks—that security teams must support, not resist. Success comes from guiding, not gatekeeping.Andy shares practical ways CISOs can build influence, including a deceptively simple yet powerful technique: ask every stakeholder what security practice they hate the most and what critical practice is missing. These questions uncover quick wins that earn political capital—critical fuel for driving long-term transformation.From his “First 91 Days” guide for CISOs to his book 1% Leadership, Andy offers not just theory but actionable frameworks for influencing culture, improving retention, and measuring success in ways that matter.Whether you're a CISO, a founder, or an aspiring security leader, this episode will challenge how you think about the role security plays in business—and what it means to lead from the middle.⬥SPONSORS⬥LevelBlue: https://itspm.ag/attcybersecurity-3jdk3ThreatLocker: https://itspm.ag/threatlocker-r974⬥RESOURCES⬥Inspiring Post: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/csoandy_how-to-ciso-the-first-91-days-ugcPost-7330619155353632768-BXQT/Book: “How to CISO: The First 91-Day Guide” by Andy Ellis — https://howtociso.com/library/first-91-days-guide/Book: “1% Leadership: Master the Small Daily Habits that Build Exceptional Teams” — https://www.amazon.com/1-Leadership-Daily-Habits-Exceptional/dp/B0BSV7T2KZ⬥ADDITIONAL INFORMATION⬥✨ More Redefining CyberSecurity Podcast: 

Prevent third-party data breaches with this proven strategy! In this episode of the Risk Management Show, we discuss how organizations can mitigate cyber risks in their supply chain by implementing modern third-party risk management systems. In this Risk Management Show episode with Eric Hensley, CTO and CSO at Aravo, a leader in third-party risk and resilience solutions powered by intelligent automation. Eric shares his insights on why indirect relationships with third and fourth parties often become entry points for attackers and how traditional IT risk assessments fall short in today's interconnected tech environment. We explored practical strategies for aligning IT, security, and procurement functions to ensure accountability, and Eric highlights the role automation and AI play in scaling effective risk management processes. If you're a Chief Risk Officer, cyber security leader, or simply looking to enhance your organization's sustainability and resilience, this episode is packed with actionable advice. Don't miss Eric's unique perspective on breaking down silos and rethinking how organizations view their supply chains. If you want to be our guest or suggest a guest, send your email to info@globalriskconsult.com with the subject line "Guest Proposal."

Eva Leahy, Statistician in the life events and demography division with the CSO, assesses the population statistics published by the Central Statistics Office today.

According to the latest figures from the CSO there has been a sharp increase in Irish emigration to Australia. To discuss this Michael Gillespie, General Secretary of the Teachers' Union of Ireland and Megan Atkinson, Former employee of the International Programme at the National Youth Council of Ireland

⬥GUEST⬥Andy Ellis, Legendary CISO [https://howtociso.com] | On LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/csoandy/⬥HOST⬥Host: Sean Martin, Co-Founder at ITSPmagazine and Host of Redefining CyberSecurity Podcast | On LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/imsmartin/ | Website: https://www.seanmartin.com⬥EPISODE NOTES⬥In this episode of Redefining CyberSecurity, host Sean Martin speaks with Andy Ellis, former CSO at Akamai and current independent advisor, about the shifting expectations of security leadership in today's SaaS-powered, AI-enabled business environment.Andy highlights that many organizations—especially mid-sized startups—struggle not because they lack resources, but because they don't know how to contextualize what security means to their business goals. Often, security professionals aren't equipped to communicate with executives or boards in a way that builds shared understanding. That's where advisors like Andy step in: not to provide a playbook, but to help translate and align.One of the core ideas discussed is the reframing of security as an enabler rather than a gatekeeper. With businesses built almost entirely on SaaS platforms and outsourced operations, IT and security should no longer be siloed. Andy encourages security teams to “own the stack”—not just protect it—by integrating IT management, vendor oversight, and security into a single discipline.The conversation also explores how AI and automation empower employees at every level to “vibe code” their own solutions, shifting innovation away from centralized control. This democratization of tech raises new opportunities—and risks—that security teams must support, not resist. Success comes from guiding, not gatekeeping.Andy shares practical ways CISOs can build influence, including a deceptively simple yet powerful technique: ask every stakeholder what security practice they hate the most and what critical practice is missing. These questions uncover quick wins that earn political capital—critical fuel for driving long-term transformation.From his “First 91 Days” guide for CISOs to his book 1% Leadership, Andy offers not just theory but actionable frameworks for influencing culture, improving retention, and measuring success in ways that matter.Whether you're a CISO, a founder, or an aspiring security leader, this episode will challenge how you think about the role security plays in business—and what it means to lead from the middle.⬥SPONSORS⬥LevelBlue: https://itspm.ag/attcybersecurity-3jdk3ThreatLocker: https://itspm.ag/threatlocker-r974⬥RESOURCES⬥Inspiring Post: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/csoandy_how-to-ciso-the-first-91-days-ugcPost-7330619155353632768-BXQT/Book: “How to CISO: The First 91-Day Guide” by Andy Ellis — https://howtociso.com/library/first-91-days-guide/Book: “1% Leadership: Master the Small Daily Habits that Build Exceptional Teams” — https://www.amazon.com/1-Leadership-Daily-Habits-Exceptional/dp/B0BSV7T2KZ⬥ADDITIONAL INFORMATION⬥✨ More Redefining CyberSecurity Podcast: 

This ASPEN podcast is on the process and tools used for Nutrition Management of Oncology Patients for Malnutrition Awareness Week 2025. This podcast features Valaree Williams, MS, RDN, CSO, LDN, CNSC, FAND, and focuses on the nutritional status and impact of cancer and cancer treatments. Information on the nutrition process and nutrition management in patients with cancer. This podcast has been supported by Nestle Health Science Business Corporate by Alex Menco | alexmenco.net Music promoted by www.free-stock-music.com Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 Unported License creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/deed.en_US August 2025

Jazz at Lincoln Center Orchestra and Wynton Marsalis by CSO Association

Brian Rudick, CSO at Upexi, joins the show to break down why institutions are stacking SOL, and why they might know something you don't. We get into the mechanics of Solana-based treasury companies, premium multiples, staking yields, locked token discounts, and the capital flywheel that's reshaping crypto investing.~~~~~

While AI represents a significant advancement in efficiency for early-stage drug discovery, it won't dramatically change the 90% clinical trial failure rate. Most failures stem from fundamental gaps in biological understanding rather then the processes where AI is able to have the most impact.The discussion highlights AI's strengths and ability to reduce preclinical costs. However, they caution that AI faces significant limitations in predicting complex biological properties like toxicity due to insufficient data, and regulatory acceptance of AI-only safety assessments remains unlikely, meaning traditional clinical trials will continue to be necessary.This episode is presented in partnership with ⁠Cresset⁠.Host⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Lori Ellis⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, Head of Insights, BioSpaceGuests⁠Mutlu Dogruel⁠, VP of AI, Cresset⁠Mark Mackey⁠, CSO, CressetDisclaimer: The views expressed in this discussion by guests are their own and do not represent those of their organizations.

On this week's show Patrick Gray and Adam Boileau discuss the week's cybersecurity news, including: Oracle's long term CSO departs, and we're not that sad about it Canada's House of Commons gets popped through a Microsoft bug Russia degrades voice calls via Whatsapp and Telegram to push people towards Max South-East Asian scam compounds are also behind child sextortion Reports that the UK has backed down on Apple crypto are… strange Oh and of course there's a Fortinet bug! There's always a Fortinet bug! This week's episode is sponsored by open source identity provider Authentik. CEO Fletcher Heisler joins the show this week, and explains the journey of implementing SSO backed login on Windows, Mac and Linux. You'll never guess which one was a few lines of PAM config, and which was a multi-month engineering project! This episode is also available on Youtube. Show notes Is Oracle facing headwinds? After layoffs, its 4-decade veteran Chief Security Officer Mary Ann Davidson departs Oracle CSO blasted over anti-security research rant - iTnews New York lawsuit against Zelle creator alleges features allowed $1 billion in thefts | The Record from Recorded Future News Mobile Phishers Target Brokerage Accounts in ‘Ramp and Dump' Cashout Scheme – Krebs on Security How we found TeaOnHer spilling users' driver's licenses in less than 10 minutes | TechCrunch UK has backed down on demand to access US Apple user data, spy chief says DNI Tulsi Gabbard on X: "As a result, the UK has agreed to drop its mandate for" Hackers target Workday in social engineering attack Russia curbs WhatsApp, Telegram calls to counter cybercrime | The Record from Recorded Future News Hackers reportedly compromise Canadian House of Commons through Microsoft vulnerability | The Record from Recorded Future News Norway police believe pro-Russian hackers were behind April dam sabotage | The Record from Recorded Future News US agencies, international allies issue guidance on OT asset inventorying | Cybersecurity Dive FortMajeure: Authentication Bypass in FortiWeb (CVE-2025-52970) U.S. State Dept - Near Eastern Affairs on X: "He did not claim diplomatic immunity and was released by a state judge" 493 Cases of Sextortion Against Children Linked to Notorious Scam Compounds | WIRED .:: Phrack Magazine ::. Accenture to buy Australian cyber security firm CyberCX - iTnews

Almost 500 child sextortion cases have been linked to scam compounds, Oracle's CSO departs after 37 years, Europol offers a reward for the Qilin ransomware group, and the UK drops its demand for an Apple backdoor. Show notes Risky Bulletin: NIST releases face-morphing detection guideline

“The CSO needs a seat at every department's table—product, marketing, sales—because story threads through all of it.” — Rain BennettStorytelling isn't just about marketing anymore—it's about leadership, alignment, and growth.In this special 200th episode of The Storytelling Lab, Rain kicks off Season 14 by exploring the rise of a new essential role in business: the Chief Storytelling Officer.Whether you're at a massive company like Nike or a scrappy startup, someone needs to take responsibility for narrative consistency across your entire organization.Rain shares insights from his interviews with real CSOs, including Nike's Nelson Farris, and breaks down what this role looks like—why it matters, what it includes, and how to fill it (even if it's you). From establishing your brand's core “why” to ensuring cohesion across departments like product, marketing, and sales, the CSO is the linchpin of a modern brand. And as Rain writes his next book on the topic, he's bringing listeners along for the journey.This episode sets the stage for a season focused on clarity, alignment, and the systems that make brand storytelling sustainable.In this episode, you will learn to:Understand the purpose and impact of the Chief Storytelling Officer as a leadership role, not just a creative one.Translate your brand's purpose and vision into aligned stories across product, marketing, sales, and internal culture.Avoid misalignment and brand dilution by building a system of narrative cohesion from top to bottom.Identify the right person to fill the CSO role—whether that's you or someone already doing the work informally.Create trust and connection with customers, teams, and investors through one clear, consistent story.For more storytelling tips and tricks,Visit my website rainbennett.com, orFollow me on TikTok @rainbennett.storyellerFollow me on Twitter @rainbennettFollow me on Instagram @rainbennettFollow me on Facebook @thestorytellinglab Subscribe to my Youtube Channel Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Send us a textMarcie Williams started her Multifamily career in leasing. She was the CEO of RKW for 10 years before she sold the company. She is now the CSO at The Bainbridge Companies.I'm Moshe Crane connect with me on LinkedIn. My day job is the VP of Branding and Strategic Initiatives at Sage Ventures. Check out my newsletter Curious Deal.Sage Ventures is a commercial real estate firm based in Baltimore, MD. The company buys and operates multifamily rental properties. The company also builds and develops homes that we sell.

Sporting KC's winless streak was extended to 5 games after a disappointing 3-1 loss in Orlando on Saturday Night after a substantial weather delay, making it 2 separate Kansas City soccer clubs facing significant delays to their matches vs. teams from Orlando in the same day.Kerry Zavagnin did bring the 4-4-2 back out for this match, although it was a different setup than the prior week and while some things worked, leading to a 1-1 scoreline at halftime, other things very much didn't.  Manu Garcia's re-introduction to the injury list meant the bench was very thin and the choices Zavagnin made were less than optimal as the club appeared to run out of steam and quality as the match wore on and Orlando took advantage.As the team continues to lose ground on potentially eking its way into the playoffs, much of the conversation has shifted to the upcoming winter and the impending roster rebuild, with 17 players either out of contract or on an option year in 2026.  Games like the last several also have us considering who may be seeing their last minutes in Sporting Blue.In Potpourri, we get into the Current vs Orlando game, and the NWSL scheduling debacle that turned into a 4hr delay.  Also news around the league regarding a potential CSO candidate leaving his role in Montreal, as well as a number of players exiting Inter Miami as they find playing time hard to come by with Messi and Friends.  And we had some fun news this weekend with the announcement that Premier League Mornings Live Fan Festival will be coming to Kansas City next month.  Seems like that argument about soccer capitals only truly exists in certain people's minds.  Finally we will take a look at SKC's upcoming trip to Seattle because we have to, but it's unlikely either of us will have a whole lot of optimism about how that match will go.

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In this greatest hits episode, we revisit a conversation between AmSpa President and CSO, Cathy Christensen, and top leadership coach and bestselling author Sohee Jun, PhD. They discuss the myth of balance, Jun's journey into leadership coaching and her advice for overcoming challenges as a business leader. Their conversation includes: Why she's allergic to the word “balance;” Integrating our priorities and thinking about our values; Her journey to organizational psychology and leadership coaching; What working with a leadership coach looks like and who her clients are; Advice for cultivating a team of leaders; Recognizing when to pivot and elevate your leadership style; The challenge of leading multigenerational teams; Her keynote at the 2023 Women in Aesthetics Leadership Conference. Reignite your passion to lead with mentorship from aesthetic innovators, entrepreneurs and renowned experts at the 2025 Women in Aesthetics Leadership Conference, October 3 - 5 at Terranea Resort in Southern California. Learn more about the connections and experiences that await you at experiencewalc.com. --- Music by Ghost Score

On this episode of To the Point Cybersecurity Podcast, hosts Rachel Lyon and Jonathan Knepher dive deep into the evolving threat landscape in healthcare cybersecurity with special guest Russell Teague, CSO at Fortified Health Security. With over three decades of experience across sectors like healthcare, pharma, and finance—and as a contributor to the White House National Cybersecurity Healthcare Strategy—Russell brings incredibly valuable insights to the table. Together, they unpack the most pressing cyber threats facing healthcare organizations today, including ransomware as a service, third-party risks, and the growing impact of AI on both offense and defense. Russell discusses the unique challenges rural and small healthcare providers face, the critical importance of operational resiliency and incident readiness, and why data management remains a top priority in protecting patient information. Tune in for practical advice, free resources, and expert analysis of what's needed to stay ahead of attackers in one of the world's most targeted industries. Whether you're a cybersecurity professional, healthcare leader, or just interested in the intersection of technology and patient care, this episode is packed with insights you won't want to miss. For links and resources discussed in this episode, please visit our show notes at https://www.forcepoint.com/govpodcast/e345

The key to conquering autoimmune diseases and type 1 diabetes may lie not in replacing lost cells, but in retraining the immune system using cells already within the body.Biotech is increasingly exploring stem cell therapies, but a quieter revolution is brewing: stromal cell therapy. These master “coordinators” aren't about rebuilding tissues molecule by molecule - instead, they orchestrate an anti-inflammatory response, offering new hope for conditions once considered incurable.In this episode of the Smart Biotech Scientist Podcast, host David Brühlmann speaks with Lindsay Davies, a leading expert in advanced therapies. She is the CSO at NextCell Pharma, consultant at CellTherEx, and co-founder of QVance, a QC analytics provider for ATMPs. Recently elected Vice President Elect for Europe at ISCT, Lindsay also chairs its European Industry Committee and serves on multiple task forces. With over 20 years bridging academia and industry, she's helped shape the full lifecycle of cell-based therapies, from development to commercialization.Here are three reasons why you can't miss this episode:Stromal Cells - The Unsung Heroes: Discover the essential distinction between stem cells (the “builders”) and stromal cells (the “coordinators”), and how harnessing the latter's unique immune-modulatory powers is unlocking treatments for diabetes, COVID-19, and autoimmune diseases.A Manufacturing Mindset Shift: Lindsay explains why scaling out cell therapies defies the “plug-and-play” approaches of traditional biologics manufacturing. With cell quality so sensitive to environmental shifts, the key lies in process simplicity, early regulatory collaboration, and deep biological understanding - especially when donor variability enters the mix.Allogeneic Therapies Made Real: Thanks to umbilical cord-derived stromal cells, treatments can be manufactured at scale, stored frozen, and delivered on demand - no patient matching required. The result? Outpatient infusions, no side effects, and effects lasting up to five years, dramatically simplifying lives for those with chronic inflammatory conditions.Ready to rethink how cell therapies are changing medicine - and what it could mean for your bioprocessing strategy? Hit play and find out how Lindsay Davis is redefining what's possible in advanced therapy manufacturing.Connect with Lindsay Davis:LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/lindsay-c-daviesWebsite: www.nextcellpharma.comIf you're interested in breakthroughs in cell therapy, here's what some of our previous guests have shared from the front lines of innovation:Episodes 105-106: From Proteins to Cell Therapy: Why ATMPs Aren't Just Complex Biologics with Oliver KraemerEpisodes 109-110: Spinning Like Earth: Designing Low-Shear Bioreactors for Better Cell Culture with Olivier DetournayEpisodes 125-126: How to Enhance Cell Engineering Using Mechanical Intracellular Delivery with Armon ShareiNext step:Book a free consultation to help you get started on any questions you may have about bioprocess development: https://bruehlmann-consulting.com/callDevelop bioprocessing technologies better, faster, at a fraction of the cost with our 1:1 Strategy Call: The quickest anJoin 500+ CGT leaders at Advanced Therapies Europe 2025 (September 2-4, Barcelona) for live case studies, regulatory insights, and exclusive collaboration opportunities. As a Smart Biotech Scientist listeners you'll save 20% with code SMARTPODCAST20 – Register hereSupport the show

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Jason Valentine, CSO at Botrista, joins QSR editorial director Danny Klein to break down what's perhaps the hottest battleground in quick service right now. What trends are driving the beverage movement? What do Gen Z want? How can restaurants innovate without breaking the brand? We get into all of that and a lot more.

Two Chinese nationals are arrested for allegedly exporting sensitive Nvidia AI chips. A critical security flaw has been discovered in Microsoft's new NLWeb protocol. Vulnerabilities in Dell laptop firmware could let attackers bypass Windows logins and install malware. Trend Micro warns of an actively exploited remote code execution flaw in its endpoint security platform. Google confirms a data breach involving one of its Salesforce databases. A lack of MFA leaves a Canadian city on the hook for ransomware recovery costs. Nvidia's CSO denies the need for backdoors or kill switches in the company's GPUs. CISA flags multiple critical vulnerabilities in Tigo Energy's Cloud Connect Advanced (CCA) platform. DHS grants funding cuts off the MS-ISAC. Helicopter parenting officially hits the footwear aisle. Remember to leave us a 5-star rating and review in your favorite podcast app. Miss an episode? Sign-up for our daily intelligence roundup, Daily Briefing, and you'll never miss a beat. And be sure to follow CyberWire Daily on LinkedIn. CyberWire Guest Today we are joined by Sarah Powazek from UC Berkeley's Center for Long-Term Cybersecurity (CLTC) discussing her proposed nationwide roadmap to scale cyber defense for community organizations. Black Hat Women on the street Live from Black Hat USA 2025, it's a special “Women on the Street” segment with Halcyon's Cynthia Kaiser, SVP Ransomware Research Center, and CISO Stacey Cameron. Hear what's happening on the ground and what's top of mind in cybersecurity this year. Selected Reading Two Arrested in the US for Illegally Exporting Microchips Used in AI Applications to China (TechNadu) Microsoft's plan to fix the web with AI has already hit an embarrassing security flaw  (The Verge) ReVault flaws let hackers bypass Windows login on Dell laptops (Bleeping Computer) Trend Micro warns of Apex One zero-day exploited in attacks (Bleeping Computer) Google says hackers stole its customers' data in a breach of its Salesforce database (TechCrunch) Hamilton taxpayers on the hook for full $18.3M cyberattack repair bill after insurance claim denied (CP24) Nvidia rejects US demand for backdoors in AI chips (The Verge) Critical vulnerabilities reported in Tigo Energy Cloud connect advanced solar management platform (Beyond Machines) New state, local cyber grant rules prohibit spending on MS-ISAC (StateScoop) Skechers skewered for adding secret Apple AirTag compartment to kids' sneakers — have we reached peak obsessive parenting? (NY Post) Audience Survey Complete our annual audience survey before August 31. Want to hear your company in the show? You too can reach the most influential leaders and operators in the industry. Here's our media kit. Contact us at cyberwire@n2k.com to request more info. The CyberWire is a production of N2K Networks, your source for strategic workforce intelligence. © N2K Networks, Inc. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week on Careers in Discovery, we're joined by Martin Brenner, CEO and CSO of iBio and one of Biotech's most experienced R&D leaders. Martin shares his journey from pharmacologist to global R&D executive, with leadership roles at Pfenex, Recursion, AstraZeneca, and Stoke Therapeutics. Now at iBio, he leads a company developing gene therapies for rare diseases - while applying lessons from decades of drug development to a new generation of science. We talk about the power of simplicity in communication, why leaders need to create space for science to breathe, and how to build R&D teams that are lean, smart, and focused on what matters most.

The hardest part of buying lighting isn't the check - it's making sure you get what you ordered. In one of the most eye-opening conversations we've had, Justin Streeb, Co-Founder and CSO of 1 LUX, breaks down the behind-the-scenes chaos of actually buying lights. With over 20 years in the industry, Justin went from designing high-end homes in Aspen to founding multiple companies that now sit at the intersection of design, distribution, and strategy.This episode dives into why lighting procurement is so complicated, how the supply chain is fundamentally misaligned with design intent, and what it takes to build a business that truly serves both the specifier and the end client. Justin shares war stories from the 2008 recession, lessons from scaling up, and what still frustrates him about how our industry buys light.Wondering: “why is this so hard?”, This episode will shine a light on the answer.

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Emily Portnoy, CSO at BBDO, NY, takes us inside this year's Effie judge's room to hear why Favor Delivery won Gold. We then hear from Favor's Chris Rogge and Preacher's Seher Sikandar for the story behind the winning campaign: "How Texas Orders In." You can see all the creative work on our website.

Comparing and contrasting “JAWS” by Universal with the novel “JAWS” by Peter Benchley.  This podcast contains certain copyrighted works that were not specifically authorized to be used by the copyright holder(s), but which we believe in good faith are protected by federal law and the fair use doctrine (Section 107 of the Copyright Act). If you have […] The post CSO 20a – JAWS Part 1 first appeared on Cinema Story Origins Podcast.

Wed July 30, 2025 Audience: Any family with a DEE who has a kid who has seizures, yes SYNGAP1 is a DEE and you are always my first audience.   See #S10e133 if you are curious about DEE vs other names. https://curesyngap1.org/podcasts/syngap10/what-is-this-syngap1-illness-disease-syndrome-ndd-dee-mrd5-nsid-actually-called-s10e133/   Action: If your kid has motor seizures, fill out the screener and join this amazing study. Link here: https://www.resiliencestudies.com/emerald   A motor seizure is a seizure where you can see something moving – including head drops, drops, convulsive, etc. – only excluded seizures are absence, myoclonia and infantile spasms.  You don't need to figure this out, just fill in the screener, let the doctors figure it out.   Questions: Come to live webinar tomorrow, it will not be recorded, so you have to come register here: https://curesyngap1.org/resources/webinars/webinar-111-introduction-to-praxiss-emerald-study-for-syngap1-patients/   TRIAL. Any DEE patient with 4 motor seizures a month, minimum. Age 2-65.  Adults are you listening? 24 weeks (6 months) weeks, placebo controlled but everyone will get drug at some point in the trial. 28 weeks (7 months) week OLE, with a chance for expanded access, so if it works, you can stay on. Fully decentralized, you don't have to go to a site if you don't want to. One US site open so far in Bethesda, there will be others.  Int'l sites in 2026.  US ENROLLING NOW. DRUG. Lots of science and big words in the links below, but here is what you need to know as a parent. It's a liquid, can go oral or in a g-tube. There is no ramp up, you put it in and it works.  In terms of speed, think Lorazepam not Lamotrigine. It's potent and specific, which means small volume.  Roughly 1ml for 10 kg.  This will be a rounding error in the face of a normal SynGAPian med regime. Even though this is a sodium channel drug, it should benefit all DEEs b/c, good to clarify tomorrow, all seizures end with a hyperactive sodium channel firing and that is what Relutragine focuses on.   PRAXIS. Serious people, lots of work on Epilepsy.  Connected to SYNGAP1 and DEEs, just need to move faster on SYNGAP1 ASO! CSO is Steve Petrou, works with SRF AUS and knows they are waiting. KD and AN started a company for SCN2A and it was absorbed by Praxis, they are still there and are relentless. Work on both small molecules and ASO, this is a way for them to see our team in action.   Cool links: AES 2024 Story. https://eppro01.ativ.me/web/page.php?page=session&project=AES24&id=2894147 Embold read out: https://www.neurologylive.com/view/relutrigine-shows-promise-phase-2-embold-study-scn2a-dee-scn8a-dee FDA Breakthrough. https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2025/07/17/3117145/0/en/Praxis-Precision-Medicines-Receives-FDA-Breakthrough-Therapy-Designation-for-Relutrigine-for-the-Treatment-of-Seizures-Associated-with-SCN2A-and-SCN8A-Developmental-and-Epileptic-E.html More links. https://delta.larvol.com/Products/?ProductId=05ccb036-a308-4249-abf6-e03b120839da   Why am I doing this? We need better meds and the way to meds is through trials. We need to jump at every trial, every time. 3. This one is decentralized, so minimum burden. If you get in now, this will be over before it's ASO trial time, so you could do both. Our Syngapians with motor seizures tend to be our most severe, we have to make sure we find out if this drug can help.  All our kids may progress to this point.   See you at the webinar, fill out the screener now: https://www.resiliencestudies.com/emerald

In this episode of Perimenopause Simplified, Claudia is joined by Dr. Ana Duarte, a medical doctor, expert in anti-aging and longevity medicine, and CSO of Eusari Nutrition. After 15+ years in pharmaceutical research, Ana hit her own perimenopause wall: burnt out, disconnected, and completely unprepared for the changes in her early 40s. That experience led her to pursue advanced training in women's health and longevity – and to discover just how overlooked midlife women are. No roadmap. No conversation. Just silence, shame, and guesswork. So she founded Eusari, a science-backed wellness brand built by and for women in perimenopause and menopause. Dr. Ana blends cutting-edge medical science with deep empathy, helping women feel like themselves again. She's also a speaker, writer, and passionate advocate for real, effective solutions to support women's health and vitality in midlife and beyond. Whether you can't take HRT or simply prefer not to, this episode is packed with evidence-based guidance to help you take back control of your health. You'll learn: Why some women can't or choose not to use hormone replacement therapy What non-hormonal alternatives women are turning to (and what actually works) The surprising science behind equol, a powerful ingredient for estrogen support What to look for in a trusted supplement brand How Dr. Ana's product, MenoPlay, supports mood, sleep, and energy without hormones How to cut through the noise and make informed choices in the age of overwhelm   Connect with Ana Duarte, MD: Instagram: @dr.anacd TikTok: @dr.anacd Facebook: facebook.com/eusariwellness LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/anacatalinaduarte Website: www.eusari.com Free Resources: Midlife Guides   Links Mentioned: Ep. 45 Supplements for Perimenopause: What to Know Menoplay   Sources: Acupuncture In Menopause Cognitive Behavioral Therapy for MenopausePhytoestrogens for Hot Flashes     Not afraid of hormone therapy, but need some clarity? Grab Claudia's popular course: Perimenopause HRT Roadmap.   Save $100 until July 31st with coupon code: ROADMAP100. Claudia breaks down everything, so it's easy to understand and so you feel confident in advocating for the care you deserve.  Check it out here.      CONNECT WITH CLAUDIA:  Website YouTube Instagram Facebook   FREE RESOURCES:  Peri-What?! The Must-Have Guide for Women 40+ Navigating Hormone Changes Perimenopause Daily Checklist HRT 3-Day Crash Course   GET SUPPORT:  Perimenopause Clarity Session The Perimenopause Method Program Perimenopause HRT Roadmap Course   QUESTIONS?  Email: claudia@claudiapetrilli.com   LOVE THE SHOW? Please subscribe, leave a 5-star rating, review, and share, so that other women can find this podcast for guidance and support through perimenopause!   

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In January, 2022 today's guest, Mike Paciello, made his first appearance on Unstoppable Mindset in Episode 19. It is not often that most of us have the opportunity and honor to meet a real trendsetter and pioneer much less for a second time. However, today, we get to spend more time with Mike, and we get to talk about not only the concepts around web accessibility, but we also discuss the whole concept of inclusion and how much progress we have made much less how much more work needs to be done.   Mike Paciello has been a fixture in the assistive technology world for some thirty years. I have known of him for most of that time, but our paths never crossed until September of 2021 when we worked together to help create some meetings and sessions around the topic of website accessibility in Washington D.C.   As you will hear, Mike began his career as a technical writer for Digital Equipment Corporation, an early leader in the computer manufacturing industry. I won't tell you Mike's story here. What I will say is that although Mike is fully sighted and thus does not use much of the technology blind and low vision persons use, he really gets it. He fully understands what Inclusion is all about and he has worked and continues to work to promote inclusion and access for all throughout the world. As Mike and I discuss, making technology more inclusive will not only help persons with disabilities be more involved in society, but people will discover that much of the technology we use can make everyone's life better. We talk about a lot of the technologies being used today to make websites more inclusive including the use of AI and how AI can and does enhance inclusion efforts.   It is no accident that this episode is being released now. This episode is being released on July 25 to coincide with the 35th anniversary of the signing of the Americans With Disabilities Act which was signed on July 26, 1990. HAPPY BIRTHDAY ADA!   After you experience our podcast with Mike, I'd love to hear your thoughts. Please feel free to email me at michaelhi@accessibe.com to tell me of your observations. Thanks.     About the Guest:   Mike Paciello is the Chief Accessibility Officer at AudioEye, Inc., a digital accessibility company. Prior to joining AudioEye, Mike founded WebABLE/WebABLE.TV, which delivers news about the disability and accessibility technology market. Mike authored the first book on web accessibility and usability, “Web Accessibility for People with Disabilities” and, in 1997, Mr. Paciello received recognition from President Bill Clinton for his work in the creation of World Wide Web Consortium's (W3C) Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI). He has served as an advisor to the US Access Board and other federal agencies since 1992.   Mike has served as an international leader, technologist, and authority in emerging technology, accessibility, usability, and electronic publishing. Mike is the former Founder of The Paciello Group (TPG), a world-renowned software accessibility consultancy acquired in 2017 by Vispero. Ways to connect with Mike:   mpaciello@webable.com Michael.paciello@audioeye.com Mikepaciello@gmail.com     About the Host:   Michael Hingson is a New York Times best-selling author, international lecturer, and Chief Vision Officer for accessiBe. Michael, blind since birth, survived the 9/11 attacks with the help of his guide dog Roselle. This story is the subject of his best-selling book, Thunder Dog.   Michael gives over 100 presentations around the world each year speaking to influential groups such as Exxon Mobile, AT&T, Federal Express, Scripps College, Rutgers University, Children's Hospital, and the American Red Cross just to name a few. He is Ambassador for the National Braille Literacy Campaign for the National Federation of the Blind and also serves as Ambassador for the American Humane Association's 2012 Hero Dog Awards.   https://michaelhingson.com https://www.facebook.com/michael.hingson.author.speaker/ https://twitter.com/mhingson https://www.youtube.com/user/mhingson https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelhingson/   accessiBe Links https://accessibe.com/ https://www.youtube.com/c/accessiBe https://www.linkedin.com/company/accessibe/mycompany/ https://www.facebook.com/accessibe/       Thanks for listening!   Thanks so much for listening to our podcast! If you enjoyed this episode and think that others could benefit from listening, please share it using the social media buttons on this page. Do you have some feedback or questions about this episode? Leave a comment in the section below!   Subscribe to the podcast   If you would like to get automatic updates of new podcast episodes, you can subscribe to the podcast on Apple Podcasts or Stitcher. You can subscribe in your favorite podcast app. You can also support our podcast through our tip jar https://tips.pinecast.com/jar/unstoppable-mindset .   Leave us an Apple Podcasts review   Ratings and reviews from our listeners are extremely valuable to us and greatly appreciated. They help our podcast rank higher on Apple Podcasts, which exposes our show to more awesome listeners like you. If you have a minute, please leave an honest review on Apple Podcasts.       Transcription Notes:   Michael Hingson ** 00:00 Access Cast and accessiBe Initiative presents Unstoppable Mindset. The podcast where inclusion, diversity and the unexpected meet. Hi, I'm Michael Hingson, Chief Vision Officer for accessiBe and the author of the number one New York Times bestselling book, Thunder dog, the story of a blind man, his guide dog and the triumph of trust. Thanks for joining me on my podcast as we explore our own blinding fears of inclusion unacceptance and our resistance to change. We will discover the idea that no matter the situation, or the people we encounter, our own fears, and prejudices often are our strongest barriers to moving forward. The unstoppable mindset podcast is sponsored by accessiBe, that's a c c e s s i capital B e. Visit www.accessibe.com to learn how you can make your website accessible for persons with disabilities. And to help make the internet fully inclusive by the year 2025. Glad you dropped by we're happy to meet you and to have you here with us.   Michael Hingson ** 01:21 Well, hi everyone, and welcome to another episode of unstoppable mindset where inclusion diversity and the unexpected meet. Normally, our guests deal with the unexpected, which is anything that doesn't have to do with inclusion or diversity. Today, however, we get to sort of deal with both. We have a guest who actually was a guest on our podcast before he was in show 19 that goes all the way back to January of 2022, his name is Mike Paciello. He's been very involved in the whole internet and accessibility movement and so on for more than 30 years, and I think we're going to have a lot of fun chatting about what's going on in the world of accessibility and the Internet and and, you know, and but we won't probably get into whether God is a man or a woman, but that's okay, God is actually both, so we don't have to worry about that. But anyway, Mike, welcome to unstoppable mindset.   Mike Paciello ** 02:21 Yeah, Hey, Mike, thanks a lot. I can't believe has it really been already since today, six years since the last time I came on this? No, three, 320, 22 Oh, 2022, I for whatever I 2019 Okay, three years sounds a little bit more realistic, but still, it's been a long time. Thank you for having me. It's, it's, it's great to be here. And obviously, as you know, a lot of things have changed in my life since then. But, yeah, very   Michael Hingson ** 02:46 cool. Well, you were in show number 19. And I'm not sure what number this is going to be, but it's going to be above 360 so it's been a while. Amazing, amazing, unstoppable, unstoppable. That's it. We got to keep it going. And Mike and I have been involved in a few things together, in, in later, in, I guess it was in 20 when we do the M enabling Summit, that was 2021 wasn't it? Yeah, I think it was, I think it was the year before we did the podcast, yeah, podcast, 2021 right? So we were in DC, and we both worked because there was a group that wanted to completely condemn the kinds of technologies that accessibe and other companies use. Some people call it overlays. I'm not sure that that's totally accurate today, but we we worked to get them to not do what they originally intended to do, but rather to explore it in a little bit more detail, which I think was a lot more reasonable to do. So we've, we've had some fun over the years, and we see each other every so often, and here we are again today. So yeah, I'm glad you're here. Well, tell us a little about well, and I guess what we'll do is do some stuff that we did in 2022 tell us about kind of the early Mike, growing up and all that and what eventually got you into dealing with all this business of web accessibility and such. Yeah, thank you.   Mike Paciello ** 04:08 You know, I've tried to short this, shorten this story 100 times. Oh, don't worry. See if I get let's see if I can keep it succinct and and for the folks out there who understand verbosity and it's in its finest way for screen reader users, I'll try not to be verbose. I already am being   Michael Hingson ** 04:28 intermediate levels fine.   Mike Paciello ** 04:30 I came into this entire field as a technical writer trying to solve a problem that I kind of stumbled into doing some volunteer work for the debt the company that I then then worked for, a Digital Equipment Corporation, a software company, DEC software hardware company, back then, right back in the early 80s. And as a technical writer, I started learning at that time what was called Gen code. Eventually that morphed in. To what Goldfarb, Charles Goldfarb at IBM, called SGML, or standard, Generalized Markup Language, and that really became the predecessor, really gave birth to what we see on the web today, to HTML and the web markup languages. That's what they were, except back then, they were markup languages for print publications. So we're myself and a lot of colleagues and friends, people probably here, I'm sure, at bare minimum, recognized named George Kercher. George and I really paired together, worked together, ended up creating an international steer with a group of other colleagues and friends called the icad 22 which is 22 stands for the amount of elements in that markup language. And it became the adopted standard accessibility standard for the American Association of Publishers, and they published that became official. Eventually it morphed into what we today call, you know, accessible web development. It was the first instance by that was integrated into the HTML specification, I think officially, was HTML 3.1 3.2 somewhere in there when it was formally adopted and then announced in 1997 and at the World Wide Web Conference. That's really where my activity in the web began. So I was working at DEC, but I was doing a lot of volunteer work at MIT, which is where the W 3c was located at that particular time. And Tim Bursley, who a lot of people i Sir, I'm sure, know, the inventor of the web, led the effort at that time, and a few other folks that I work with, and.da Jim Miller, a few other folks. And we were, well, I wasn't specifically approached. Tim was approached by Vice President Gore and eventually President Clinton at that time to see if we could come up with some sort of technical standard for accessibility. And Tim asked if I'd like to work on it myself. Danielle, Jim, a few others, we did, and we came up that first initial specification and launched it as part of the Web Accessibility Initiative, which we created in 1997 from there, my career just took off. I went off did a couple of small companies that I launched, you know, my namesake company, the Paciello Group, or TPG, now called TPG IGI, yeah, yeah, which was acquired by vector capital, or this bureau back in 2017 so it's hard to believe that's already almost 10 years ago. No, yeah. And I've been walking in, working in the software, web accessibility field, usability field, writing fields, you know, for some pretty close to 45 years. It's 2025 40 years, I mean, and I started around 1984 I think it was 8384 when all this first   Michael Hingson ** 07:59 started. Wow, so clearly, you've been doing it for a while and understand a lot of the history of it. So how overall has the whole concept of web accessibility changed over the years, not only from a from a coding standpoint, but how do you think it's really changed when it comes to being addressed by the public and companies and so on.   Mike Paciello ** 08:26 That's a great question. I'd certainly like to be more proactive and more positive about it, but, but let me be fair, if you compare today and where web accessibility resides, you know, in the in the business value proposition, so to speak, and list the priorities of companies and corporations. You know, fortune 1000 fortune 5000 call whatever you whatever you want. Accessibility. Is there people? You could say section five way you could say the Web Accessibility Initiative, WCAG, compliance, and by and large, particularly technology driven, digital economy driven businesses, they know what it is. They don't know how to do it. Very rarely do they know how to do it. And even the ones that know how to do it don't really do it very well. So it kind of comes down to the 8020, rule, right? You're a business. Whatever kind of business you are, you're probably in more online presence than ever before, and so a lot of your digital properties will come under you know the laws that mandate usability and accessibility for people with disabilities today that having been said and more and more people know about it than ever before, certainly from the time that I started back in the you know, again, in the early, mid 80s, to where we are today. It's night and day. But in terms of prioritization, I don't know. I think what happens quite often is business value proposition. Decisions get in the way. Priorities get in the way of what a business in, what its core business are, what they're trying to accomplish, who they're trying to sell, sell to. They still view the disability market, never mind the blind and low vision, you know, market alone as a niche market. So they don't make the kind of investors that I, I believe that they could, you know, there's certainly, there are great companies like like Microsoft and and Google, Amazon, Apple, you know, a lot of these companies, you know, have done some Yeoman work at that level, but it's nowhere near where it should be. It just absolutely isn't. And so from that standpoint, in where I envision things, when I started this career was when I was in my 20 somethings, and now I'm over now I'm over 60. Well over 60. Yeah, I expected a lot more in, you know, in an internet age, much, much more.   Michael Hingson ** 11:00 Yeah, yeah. Well, it's it's really strange that so much has happened and yet so much hasn't happened. And I agree with you, there's been a lot of visibility for the concept of accessibility and inclusion and making the the internet a better place, but it is so unfortunate that most people don't know how to how to do anything with it. Schools aren't really teaching it. And more important than even teaching the coding, from from my perspective, looking at it more philosophically, what we don't tend to see are people really recognizing the value of disabilities, and the value that the market that people with disabilities bring to the to the world is significant. I mean, the Center for Disease Control talks about the fact that they're like up to 25% of all Americans have some sort of disability. Now I take a different approach. Actually. I don't know whether you've read my article on it, but I believe everyone on the in the in the world has a disability, and the reality is, most people are light dependent, but that's as much a disability as blindness. Except that since 1878 when Thomas Edison invented the light bulb. We have focused nothing short of trying to do everything we can to improve light on demand for the last 147 years. And so the disability is mostly covered up, but it's still there.   Mike Paciello ** 12:37 You know, yeah, and I did read that article, and I couldn't agree with you more. In fact, I personally think, and I actually have my own blog coming out, and probably later this month might be early, early July, where I talk about the fact that accessibility okay and technology really has been all along. And I love the fact that you call, you know, you identified the, you know, the late 1800s there, when Edison did the the light bulb, Alexander Graham Bell came up with, you know, the telephone. All of those adventures were coming about. But accessibility to people with disabilities, regardless of what their disability is, has always been a catalyst for innovation. That was actually supposed to be the last one I was going to make tonight. Now it's my first point because, because I think it is exactly as you said, Mike, I think that people are not aware. And when I say people, I mean the entire human population, I don't think that we are aware of the history of how, how, because of, I'm not sure if this is the best word, but accommodating users, accommodating people with disabilities, in whatever way, the science that goes behind that design architectural to the point of development and release, oftentimes, things that were done behalf of people with disabilities, or for People with disabilities, resulted in a fundamental, how's this for? For an interesting term, a fundamental alteration right to any other you know, common, and I apologize for the tech, tech, tech language, user interface, right, right? Anything that we interact with has been enhanced because of accessibility, because of people saying, hey, if we made this grip a little bit larger or stickier, we'll call it so I can hold on to it or softer for a person that's got fine motor dexterity disabilities, right? Or if we made a, you know, a web browser, which, of course, we have such that a blind individual, a low vision individual, can adjust the size of this, of the images and the fonts and things like that on a web page, they could do that unknown. Well, these things now. As we well know, help individuals without disabilities. Well, I'm not much, right, and I, again, I'm not speaking as a person beyond your characterization that, hey, look, we are all imperfect. We all have disabilities. And that is, that is absolutely true. But beyond that, I wear glasses. That's it. I do have a little hearing loss too. But you know, I'm finding myself more and more, for example, increasing the size of text. In fact, my note, yes, I increase them to, I don't know they're like, 18 point, just so that it's easier to see. But that is a common thing for every human being, just like you said.   Michael Hingson ** 15:36 Well, the reality is that so many tools that we use today come about. And came about because of people with disabilities. Peggy Chung Curtis Chung's wife, known as the blind history lady, and one of the stories that she told on her first visit to unstoppable mindset, which, by the way, is episode number five. I remember that Peggy tells the story of the invention of the typewriter, which was invented for a blind countist, because she wanted to be able to communicate with her lover without her husband knowing about it, and she didn't want to dictate things and so on. She wanted to be able to create a document and seal it, and that way it could be delivered to the lever directly. And the typewriter was the result of   Mike Paciello ** 16:20 that? I didn't know that. I will definitely go back. I just wrote it down. I wrote down a note that was episode number five, yeah, before with Curtis a couple of times, but obviously a good friend of ours, yeah, but I yeah, that's, that's, that's awesome.   Michael Hingson ** 16:37 Well, and look at, I'll tell you one of the things that really surprises me. So Apple was going to get sued because they weren't making any of their products accessible. And before the lawsuit was filed, they came along and they said, we'll fix it. And they did make and it all started to a degree with iTunes U but also was the iPhone and the iPod and so on. But they they, they did the work. Mostly. They embedded a screen reader called Voiceover in all of their operating systems. They did make iTunes you available. What really surprises me, though is that I don't tend to see perhaps some things that they could do to make voiceover more attractive to drivers so they don't have to look at the screen when a phone call comes in or whatever. And that they could be doing some things with VoiceOver to make it more usable for sighted people in a lot of instances. And I just don't, I don't see any emphasis on that, which is really surprising to me.   Mike Paciello ** 17:38 Yeah, I totally agree. I mean, there are a lot of use cases there that you go for. I think Mark Rico would certainly agree with you in terms of autonomous driving for the blind, right? Sure that too. But yeah, I definitely agree and, and I know the guy that the architect voiceover and develop voiceover for Apple and, boy, why can I think of his last name? I know his first name. First name is Mike. Is with Be My Eyes now and in doing things at that level. But I will just say one thing, not to correct you, but Apple had been in the accessibility business long before voice over Alan Brightman and Gary mulcher were instrumental towards convincing, you know, jobs of the importance of accessibility to people with disabilities,   Michael Hingson ** 18:31 right? But they weren't doing anything to make products accessible for blind people who needed screen readers until that lawsuit came along. Was   Mike Paciello ** 18:40 before screen readers? Yeah, that was before,   Michael Hingson ** 18:43 but they did it. Yeah. The only thing I wish Apple would do in that regard, that they haven't done yet, is Apple has mandates and requirements if you're going to put an app in the App Store. And I don't know whether it's quite still true, but it used to be that if your app had a desktop or it looked like a Windows desktop, they wouldn't accept it in the app store. And one of the things that surprises me is that they don't require that app developers make sure that their products are usable with with VoiceOver. And the reality is that's a it doesn't need to be a really significantly moving target. For example, let's say you have an app that is dealing with displaying star charts or maps. I can't see the map. I understand that, but at least voiceover ought to give me the ability to control what goes on the screen, so that I can have somebody describe it, and I don't have to spend 15 or 20 minutes describing my thought process, but rather, I can just move things around on the screen to get to where we need to go. And I wish Apple would do a little bit more in that regard.   Mike Paciello ** 19:52 Yeah, I think that's a great a great thought and a great challenge, if, between me and you. Yeah, I think it goes back to what I said before, even though we both see how accessibility or accommodating users with disabilities has led to some of the most incredible innovations. I mean, the Department of Defense, for years, would integrate people with disabilities in their user testing, they could better help, you know, military soldiers, things like that, assimilate situations where there was no hearing, there was they were immobile, they couldn't see all, you know, all of these things that were natural. You know, user environments or personas for people with disabilities. So they led to these kind of, you know, incredible innovations, I would tell you, Mike, I think you know this, it's because the business value proposition dictates otherwise.   Michael Hingson ** 20:55 Yeah, and, well, I guess I would change that slightly and say that people think that the business proposition does but it may very well be that they would find that there's a lot more value in doing it if they would really open up their minds to looking at it differently. It's   Mike Paciello ** 21:10 kind of, it's kind of like, it's tough. It's kind of like, if I could use this illustration, so to speak, for those who may not be religiously inclined, but you know, it's, it's like prophecy. Most people, you don't know whether or not prophecy is valid until years beyond, you know, years after. And then you could look back at time and say, See, it was all along. These things, you know, resulted in a, me, a major paradigm shift in the way that we do or don't do things. And I think that's exactly what you're saying. You know, if, if people would really look at the potential of what technologies like, you know, a voice over or, as you know, a good friend of mine said, Look, we it should be screen readers. It should be voice IO interfaces, right? That every human can use and interact with regardless. That's what we're really talking about. There's   Michael Hingson ** 22:10 a big discussion going on some of the lists now about the meta, Ray Ban, glasses, and some of the things that it doesn't do or that they don't do well, that they should like. It's really difficult to get the meta glasses to read completely a full page. I think there are ways that people have now found to get it to do that, but there are things like that that it that that don't happen. And again, I think it gets back to what you're saying is the attitude is, well, most people aren't going to need that. Well, the reality is, how do you know and how do you know what they'll need until you offer options. So one of my favorite stories is when I worked for Kurzweil a long time ago, some people called one day and they wanted to come and see a new talking computer terminal that that Ray and I and others developed, and they came up, and it turns out, they were with one of those initial organizations out of Langley, Virginia, the CIA. And what they wanted to do was to use the map the the terminal connected to their computers to allow them to move pointers on a map and not have to watch the map or the all of the map while they were doing it, but rather, the computer would verbalize where the pointer was, and then they could they could move it around and pin a spot without having to actually look at the screen, because the way their machine was designed, it was difficult to do that. You know, the reality is that most of the technologies that we need and that we use and can use could be used by so much, so many more people, if people would just really look at it and think about it, but, but you're right, they don't.   Mike Paciello ** 24:04 You know, it's, of course, raise a raise another good friend of mine. We both having in common. I work with him. I been down his office a few, more than few times, although his Boston office, anyway, I think he's, I'm not sure he's in Newton. He's in Newton. Yeah. Is he still in Newton? Okay. But anyway, it reminded me of something that happened in a similar vein, and that was several years ago. I was at a fast forward forward conference, future forward conference, and a company, EMC, who absorbed by Dell, I think, right, yes, where they all are. So there I was surprised that when that happened. But hey, yeah, yeah, I was surprised that compact bought depth, so that's okay, yeah, right. That HP bought count, right? That whole thing happened. But um, their chief science, chief scientist, I think he was a their CSO chief scientist, Doc. Came up and made this presentation. And basically the presentation was using voice recognition. They had been hired by the NSA. So it was a NSA right to use voice recognition in a way where they would recognize voices and then record those voices into it, out the output the transcript of that right text, text files, and feed them back to, you know, the NSA agents, right? So here's the funny part of that story goes up i i waited he gave his presentation. This is amazing technology, and what could it was like, 99% accurate in terms of not just recognizing American, English speaking people, but a number of different other languages, in dialects. And the guy who gave the presentation, I actually knew, because he had been a dec for many years. So in the Q and A Part I raised by hand. I got up there. He didn't recognize it a few years had gone by. And I said, you know, this is amazing technology. We could really use this in the field that I work in. And he said, Well, how's that? And I said, you know, voice recognition and outputting text would allow us to do now this is probably 2008 2009 somewhere in that area, would allow us to do real time, automated transcription for the Deaf, Captioning. And he looks at me and he he says, Do I know you? This is through a live audience. I said. I said, Yeah, Mark is it was. Mark said, So Mike gas yellow. He said, you're the only guy in town that I know that could turn a advanced, emerging technology into something for people with disabilities. I can't believe it. So that was, that was, but there was kind of the opposite. It was a technology they were focused on making this, you know, this technology available for, you know, government, obviously covert reasons that if they were using it and applying it in a good way for people with disabilities, man, we'd have been much faster, much further along or even today, right? I mean, it's being done, still not as good, not as good as that, as I saw. But that just goes to show you what, what commercial and government funding can do when it's applied properly?   Michael Hingson ** 27:41 Well, Dragon, naturally speaking, has certainly come a long way since the original Dragon Dictate. But there's still errors, there's still things, but it does get better, but I hear exactly what you're saying, and the reality is that we don't tend to think in broad enough strokes for a lot of the things that we do, which is so unfortunate,   Mike Paciello ** 28:03 yeah? I mean, I've had an old saying that I've walked around for a long time. I should have, I should make a baseball cap, whether something or T shirt. And it simply was, think accessibility, yeah, period. If, if, if we, organizations, people, designers, developers, architects, usability, people, QA, people. If everybody in the, you know, in the development life cycle was thinking about accessibility, or accessibility was integrated, when we say accessibility, we're talking about again, for users with disabilities, if that became part of, if not the functional catalyst, for technology. Man, we'd have been a lot further along in the quote, unquote value chains than we are today.   Michael Hingson ** 28:46 One of the big things at least, that Apple did do was they built voiceover into their operating system, so anybody who buys any Apple device today automatically has redundancy here, but access to accessibility, right? Which, which is really the way it ought to be. No offense to vispero and jaws, because they're they're able to fill the gap. But still, if Microsoft had truly devoted the time that they should have to narrate her at the beginning. We might see a different kind of an architecture today.   Mike Paciello ** 29:26 You know, I so I want to, by the way, the person that invented that wrote that code is Mike shabanik. That's his name I was thinking about. So Mike, if you're listening to this guy, just hi from two others. And if he's not, he should be, yeah, yeah, exactly right from two other mics. But so let me ask you this question, because I legitimately can't remember this, and have had a number of discussions with Mike about this. So VoiceOver is native to the US, right?   Michael Hingson ** 29:56 But no, well, no to to the to the to the. Products, but not just the US. No,   Mike Paciello ** 30:02 no, I said, OS, yes, it's native to OS, yeah, right. It's native that way, right? But doesn't it still use an off screen model for producing or, you know, translate the transformation of, you know, on screen to voice.   Michael Hingson ** 30:27 I'm not sure that's totally true. Go a little bit deeper into that for me.   Mike Paciello ** 30:34 Well, I mean, so NVDA and jaws use this off screen model, right, which is functionally, they grab, will they grab some content, or whatever it is, push it to this, you know, little black box, do all those translations, you know, do all the transformation, and then push it back so it's renderable to a screen reader. Okay, so that's this off screen model that is transparent to the users, although now you know you can get into it and and tweak it and work with it right, right? I recall when Mike was working on the original design of of nary, excuse me, a voiceover, and he had called me, and I said, Are you going to continue with the notion of an off screen model? And he said, Yeah, we are. And I said, Well, when you can build something that's more like what TV Raman has built into Emacs, and it works integral to the actual OS, purely native. Call me because then I'm interested in, but now that was, you know, 1520, years ago, right? I mean, how long has voiceover been around,   Michael Hingson ** 31:51 since 2007   Mike Paciello ** 31:54 right? So, yeah, 20 years ago, right? Just shy of 20 years, 18 years. So I don't know. I honestly don't know. I'm   Michael Hingson ** 32:02 not totally sure, but I believe that it is, but I can, you know, we'll have to, we'll have to look into that.   Mike Paciello ** 32:08 If anyone in the audience is out there looking at you, get to us before we find out. Let us we'll find out at the NFB   Michael Hingson ** 32:12 convention, because they're going to be a number of Apple people there. We can certainly ask, there   Mike Paciello ** 32:17 you go. That's right, for sure. James Craig is bound to be there. I can ask him and talk to him about that for sure. Yep, so anyway,   Michael Hingson ** 32:23 but I think, I think it's a very it's a valid point. And you know, the the issue is that, again, if done right and app developers are doing things right there, there needs to, there ought to be a way that every app has some level of accessibility that makes it more available. And the reality is, people, other than blind people use some of these technologies as well. So we're talking about voice input. You know, quadriplegics, for example, who can't operate a keyboard will use or a mouse can use, like a puff and zip stick to and and Dragon to interact with a computer and are successful at doing it. The reality is, there's a whole lot more opportunities out there than people think. Don't   Mike Paciello ** 33:11 I agree with that. I'm shaking my head up and down Mike and I'm telling you, there is, I mean, voice recognition alone. I can remember having a conversation with Tony vitality, one of the CO inventors of the deck talk. And that goes all the way back into the, you know, into the early 90s, about voice recognition and linguistics and what you know, and I know Kurzweil did a lot of working with Terry right on voice utterances and things like that. Yeah, yeah. There's, there's a wide open window of opportunity there for study and research that could easily be improved. And as you said, and this is the point, it doesn't just improve the lives of the blind or low vision. It improves the lives of a number of different types of Persona, disability persona types, but it would certainly create a pathway, a very wide path, for individuals, users without disabilities, in a number of different life scenarios.   Michael Hingson ** 34:10 Yeah, and it's amazing how little sometimes that's done. I had the pleasure a few years ago of driving a Tesla down Interstate 15 out here in California. Glad I wasn't there. You bigot, you know, the co pilot system worked. Yeah, you know, I just kept my hands on the wheel so I didn't very much, right? Not have any accidents. Back off now it worked out really well, but, but here's what's really interesting in that same vehicle, and it's something that that I find all too often is is the case if I were a passenger sitting in the front seat, there's so much that I as a passenger don't have access to that other passenger. Do radios now are mostly touchscreen right, which means and they don't build in the features that would make the touchscreen system, which they could do, accessible. The Tesla vehicle is incredibly inaccessible. And there's for a guy who's so innovative, there's no reason for that to be that way. And again, I submit that if they truly make the product so a blind person could use it. Think of how much more a sighted person who doesn't have to take their eyes off the road could use the same technologies.   Mike Paciello ** 35:35 You know, Mike, again, you and I are on the same page. I mean, imagine these guys are supposed to be creative and imaginative and forward thinking, right? Could you? Can you imagine a better tagline than something along the lines of Tesla, so user friendly that a blind person can drive it? Yeah? I mean this is, have you heard or seen, you know, metaphorically speaking, or that's okay, a an advertisement or PR done by any, any company, because they're all, all the way across the board, that hasn't featured what it can do to enhance lives of people with disabilities. Where it wasn't a hit. I mean, literally, it was, yeah, you see these commercials played over and over to Apple, Microsoft, Emma, I see McDonald's, Walmart. I mean, I could just name, name the one after another. Really, really outstanding. Salesforce has done it. Just incredible. They would do it, yeah. I mean, there is there any more human centric message than saying, Look what we've built and designed we're releasing to the masses and everyone, anyone, regardless of ability, can use it. Yeah, that, to me, is that's, I agree that's a good route, right for marketing and PR, good,   Michael Hingson ** 37:03 yeah. And yet they don't, you know, I see commercials like about one of the one of the eye injections, or whatever Bobby is, Mo or whatever it is. And at the beginning, the woman says, I think I'm losing sight of the world around me. You know that's all about, right? It's eyesight and nothing else. And I appreciate, I'm all for people keeping their eyesight and doing what's necessary. But unfortunately, all too often, we do that at the detriment of of other people, which is so unfortunate.   Mike Paciello ** 37:39 Yeah, you know again, not to, not to get off the subject, but one of my favorite books is rethinking competitive advantage, by Ram Sharon. I don't know if you know know him, but the guy is one of my heroes in terms of just vision and Business and Technology. And in this, this book, he wrote this a couple of years ago. He said this one this is his first rule of competition in the digital age. The number one rule was simply this, a personalized consumer experience, key to exponential growth. That's exactly you and I are talking about personally. I want to see interfaces adapt to users, rather than what we have today, which is users having to adapt to the interface.   Michael Hingson ** 38:32 Yeah, and it would make so much sense to do so. I hope somebody out there is listening and will maybe take some of this to heart, because if they do it right, they can have a huge market in no time at all, just because they show they care. You know, Nielsen Company did a survey back in 2016 where they looked at a variety of companies and consumers and so on. And if I recall the numbers right, they decided that people with disabilities are 35% more likely to continue to work with and shop, for example, at companies that really do what they can to make their websites and access to their products accessible, as opposed to not. And that's that's telling. It's so very telling. But we don't see people talking about that nearly like we should   Mike Paciello ** 39:20 you talk about a business value proposition. There is bullet proof that where you are leaving money on the table, yep, and a lot of it, yeah, exactly. We're not talking about 1000s or hundreds of 1000s. We're talking about billions and trillions, in some instances, not an exaggeration by any stretch of the imagination, very, very simple math. I had this conversation a couple years ago with the CEO of Pearson. At that time, he's retired, but, you know, I told him, if you spent $1 for every person that it was in the world with. Disability, you're, you're, you're talking about 1/4 of the population, right? It's simple math, simple math,   Michael Hingson ** 40:08 but people still won't do it. I mean, we taught you to mention section 508, before with the whole issue of web access, how much of the government has really made their websites accessible, even though it's the law?   Mike Paciello ** 40:19 Yeah, three years, three or four years ago, they did a study, and they found out that the good that every federal agency, most of the federal agencies, were not even keeping up thinking with reporting of the status, of where they were, and yet that was written right into the five way law. They were mandated to do it, and they still did do   Michael Hingson ** 40:37 it. We haven't, you know, the whole Americans with Disabilities Act. Finally, the Department of Justice said that the internet is a place of business, but still, it's not written in the law. And of course, we only see about 3% of all websites that tend to have any level of access. And there's no reason for that. It's not that magical. And again, I go back to what do we do to get schools and those who teach people how to code to understand the value of putting in accessibility right from the outset?   Mike Paciello ** 41:10 Yeah, no, I totally agree with you. I think this is what Kate sanka is trying to do with with Teach access. In fact, you know, again, my company, TPG was one of the founding companies have teach access back again, 10 years ago, when it first started. But that's where it starts. I mean, they're, they're pretty much focused on post secondary, university education, but I could tell you on a personal level, I was speaking at my kids grade school, elementary school, because they were already using laptops and computers back then it starts. Then you've got to build a mindset. You've got to build it we you've heard about the accessibility, maturity models coming out of the W, 3c, and in I, double AP. What that speaks to fundamentally, is building a culture within your corporate organization that is think accessibility as a think accessibility mindset, that it is woven into the fiber of every business line, in every technology, software development life cycle, all of the contributors at that level, from A to Z. But if you don't build it into the culture, it's not going to happen. So I would love to see a lot more being done at that level. But yeah, it's, it's, it's a, it's a hero. Yeah,   Michael Hingson ** 42:34 we're, we're left out of the conversation so much. Yeah, yeah, totally. So you, you sold TPG, and you then formed, or you had web able and then able Docs.   Mike Paciello ** 42:48 So what web able came out was a carve out, one of two carve outs that I had from when I sold TPG. The other was open access technologies, which which eventually was sold to another accessibility company primarily focused on making documentation accessible to meet the WCAG and other standards requirements and web able I carved out. It's been a kind of a hobby of mine now, for since I sold TPG, I'm still working on the back end, ironically, from the get go, so we're talking, you know, again, eight years ago, I had built machine learning and AI into it. From then back then, I did so that what it does is it very simply, goes out and collects 1000s and 1000s of articles as it relates to technology, people with disabilities, and then cleans them up and post them to web able.com I've got a lot more playing for it, but that's in a nutshell. That's what it does. And I don't we do some we do some QA review to make sure that the cleanup in terms of accessibility and the articles are are properly formatted and are accessible. We use the web aim API, but yeah, works like magic. Works like clockwork, and that's got aI uses IBM Watson AI built into it. Yeah, enable docs was abledocs was, how should I say this in a nice way, abledocs was a slight excursion off of my main route. It can work out. I wish it had. It had a lot of potential, much like open access technologies, but they both suffered from owners who really, really not including myself, who just didn't have good vision and in lack humility,   Michael Hingson ** 44:43 yeah. How's that? There you go. Well, so not to go political or anything, but AI in general is interesting, and I know that there have been a lot of debates over the last few years about artificial. Intelligence and helping to make websites accessible. There are several companies like AudioEye, user way, accessibe and so on that to one degree or another, use AI. What? What? So in general, what do you think about AI and how it's going to help deal with or not, the whole issue of disabilities and web access,   Mike Paciello ** 45:22 yeah, and we're going to set aside Neil Jacobs thoughts on how he sees it in the future, right? Although I have to tell you, he gave me some things to think about, so we'll just set that to to the side. So I think what AI offers today is something that I thought right away when it started to see the, you know, the accessibes, the user ways, the audio, eyes, and all the other companies kind of delving into it, I always saw potential to how's this remediate a fundamental problem or challenge, let's not call it a problem, a challenge that we were otherwise seeing in the professional services side of that equation around web accessibility, right? So you get experts who use validation tools and other tools, who know about code. Could go in and they know and they use usability, they use user testing, and they go in and they can tell you what you need to do to make your digital properties right, usable and accessible. People with disabilities, all well and good. That's great. And believe me, I had some of the best people, if not the best people in the world, work for me at one time. However, there are a couple of things it could not do in it's never going to do. Number one, first and foremost, from my perspective, it can't scale. It cannot scale. You can do some things at, you know, in a large way. For example, if, if a company is using some sort of, you know, CMS content management system in which their entire sites, you know, all their sites, all their digital properties, you know, are woven into templates, and those templates are remediated. So that cuts down a little bit on the work. But if you go into companies now, it's not like they're limited to two or three templates. Now they've got, you know, department upon department upon department, everybody's got a different template. So even those are becoming very vos, very verbose and very plentiful. So accessibility as a manual effort doesn't really scale well. And if it does, even if it could, it's not fast enough, right? So that's what AI does, AI, coupled with automation, speeds up that process and delivers a much wider enterprise level solution. Now again, AI automation is not, is not a whole, is not a holistic science. You know, it's not a silver bullet. David Marathi likes to use the term, what is he? He likes the gold standard. Well, from his perspective, and by the way, David Marathi is CEO of audio. Eye is a combination of automation AI in expert analysis, along with the use of the integration of user testing and by user testing, it's not just personas, but it's also compatibility with the assistive technologies that people with disabilities use. Now, when you do that, you've got something that you could pattern after a standard software development life cycle, environment in which you integrate all of these things. So if you got a tool, you integrate it there. If you've got, you know, a digital accessibility platform which does all this automation, AI, right, which, again, this is the this is a forester foresters take on the the the daps, as they calls it. And not really crazy about that, but that's what they are. Digital Accessibility platforms. It allows us to scale and scale at costs that are much lower, at speeds that are much faster, and it's just a matter of like any QA, you've got to check your work, and you've got it, you can't count on that automation being absolute. We know for a fact that right now, at best, we're going to be able to get 35 to 40% accuracy, some claim, larger different areas. I'm still not convinced of that, but the fact of the matter is, it's like anything else. Technology gets better as it goes, and we'll see improvements over time periods.   Michael Hingson ** 49:49 So here's here's my thought, yeah, let's say you use AI in one of the products that's out there. And I. You go to a website and you include it, and it reasonably well makes the website 50% more usable and accessible than it was before. I'm just, I just threw out that number. I know it's random. Go ahead, Yep, yeah, but let's say it does that. The reality is that means that it's 50% that the web developers, the web coders, don't have to do because something else is dealing with it. But unfortunately, their mentality is not to want to deal with that because they also fear it. But, you know, I remember back in the mid 1980s I started a company because I went off and tried to find a job and couldn't find one. So I started a company with a couple of other people, where we sold early PC based CAD systems to architects, right? And we had AutoCAD versus CAD. Another one called point line, which was a three dimensional system using a y cap solid modeling board that took up two slots in your PC. So it didn't work with all PCs because we didn't have enough slots. But anyway, right, right, right. But anyway, when I brought architects in and we talked about what it did and we showed them, many of them said, I'll never use that. And I said, why? Well, it does work, and that's not the question. But the issue is, we charge by the time, and so we take months to sometimes create designs and projects, right? And so we can't lose that revenue. I said, you're looking at it all wrong. Think about it this way, somebody gives you a job, you come back and you put it in the CAD system. You go through all the iterations it takes, let's just say, two weeks. Then you call your customer in. You use point line, and you can do a three dimensional walk through and fly through. You can even let them look out the window and see what there is and all that they want to make changes. They tell you the changes. You go off and you make the changes. And two weeks later, now it's a month, you give them their finished product, all the designs, all the plots and all that, all done, and you charge them exactly the same price you were going to charge them before. Now you're not charging for your time, you're charging for your expertise, right? And I think that same model still holds true that the technology, I think most people will agree that it is not perfect, but there are a lot of things that it can do. Because the reality is, the Web Content Accessibility Guidelines, are all things that can be defined with computer code, whether it necessarily does it all well with AI or not, is another story. But if it does it to a decent fraction, it makes all the difference in terms of what you're able to do and how quickly you can do   Mike Paciello ** 52:52 it. Yeah, I can argue with that at all. I think any time that we can make our jobs a little bit easier so that we can focus where we should be focused. In this case, as you said, the expertise side of it, right to fix those complicated scenarios or situations that require a hands on surgical like Right? Expertise, you can do that now. You've got more hours more time because it's been saved. The only thing I would say, Mike, about what, what you just said, is that there with that, with that mindset, okay, comes responsibility. Oh, yeah, in this is where I think in everybody that knows anything about this environment, you and I have an intimate understanding of this. The whole overlay discussion is the biggest problem with what happened was less about the technology and more about what claims are being made. Yeah, the technology could do which you could not do in, in some cases, could never do, or would never, would never do, well, right? So if you create, and I would submit this is true in as a fundamental principle, if you create a technology of any kind, you must, in truth, inform your clients of of what it can and cannot do so they understand the absolute value to them, because the last thing you want, because, again, we live in a, unfortunately, a very litigious world. Right soon as there's   Michael Hingson ** 54:49 a mistake couldn't happen,   Mike Paciello ** 54:51 they'll go right after you. So now you know, and again, I don't I'm not necessarily just blaming the ambulance chasers of the world. World. I was talking to an NFP lawyer today. He referred to them in a different name, and I can't remember well, I never heard the expression before, but that's what he meant, right? Yeah, it's the salesman and the product managers and the marketing people themselves, who are were not themselves, to your point, properly trained, properly educated, right? It can't be done, what clearly could not be said, what should or should not be said, right? And then you got lawyers writing things all over the place. So, yeah, yeah. So, so I look people knew when I made the decision to come to audio eye that it was a make or break scenario for me, or at least that's what they thought in my mindset. It always, has always been, that I see incredible possibilities as you do or technology, it just has to be handled responsibly.   Michael Hingson ** 55:56 Do you think that the companies are getting better and smarter about what they portray about their products than they than they were three and four and five years ago.   Mike Paciello ** 56:08 Okay, look, I sat in and chaired a meeting with the NFB on this whole thing. And without a doubt, they're getting smarter. But it took not just a stick, you know, but, but these large lawsuits to get them to change their thinking, to see, you know, where they where they were wrong, and, yeah, things are much better. There's still some issues out there. I both know it that's going to happen, that happens in every industry,   Michael Hingson ** 56:42 but there are improvements. It is getting better, and people are getting smarter, and that's where an organization like the NFB really does need to become more involved than in a sense, they are. They took some pretty drastic steps with some of the companies, and I think that they cut off their nose, despite their face as well, and that didn't help. So I think there are things that need to be done all the way around, but I do see that progress is being made too. I totally   Mike Paciello ** 57:11 agree, and in fact, I'm working with them right now. We're going to start working on the California Accessibility Act again. I'm really looking forward to working with the NFB, the DRC and Imperato over there and his team in the disability rights consortium, consortium with disability rights. What DRC coalition, coalition in in California. I can't wait to do that. We tried last year. We got stopped short. It got tabled, but I feel very good about where we're going this year. So that's, that's my that's, that is my focus right now. And I'm glad I'm going to be able to work with the NFB to be able to do that. Yeah, well, I, I really do hope that it passes. We've seen other states. We've seen some states pass some good legislation, and hopefully we will continue to see some of that go on. Yeah, Colorado has done a great job. Colorado sent a great job. I think they've done it. I really like what's being done with the EAA, even though it's in Europe, and some of the things that are going there, Susanna, Lauren and I had some great discussions. I think she is has been a leader of a Yeoman effort at that level. So we'll see. Let's, let's, I mean, there's still time out here. I guess I really would like to retire,   Michael Hingson ** 58:28 but I know the feeling well, but I can't afford to yet, so I'll just keep speaking and all that well, Mike, this has been wonderful. I really appreciate you taking an hour and coming on, and at least neither of us is putting up with any kind of snow right now, but later in the year we'll see more of that.   Mike Paciello ** 58:45 Yeah, well, maybe you will. We don't get snow down. I have. We've gotten maybe 25 flakes in North Carolina since I've been here.   Michael Hingson ** 58:53 Yeah, you don't get a lot of snow. We don't hear we don't really get it here, around us, up in the mountains, the ski resorts get it, but I'm out in a valley, so we don't, yeah,   Mike Paciello ** 59:02 yeah, no. I love it. I love this is golfing weather.   Michael Hingson ** 59:05 There you go. If people want to reach out to you, how do they do that?   Mike Paciello ** 59:11 There's a couple of ways. Certainly get in touch with me at AudioEye. It's michael.paciello@audioeye.com   Michael Hingson ** 59:17 B, A, C, I, E, L, L, O,   Mike Paciello ** 59:18 that's correct. Thank you for that. You could send me personal email at Mike paciello@gmail.com and or you can send me email at web able. It's m passielo at web able.com, any one of those ways. And please feel free you get on all the social networks. So feel free to link, connect to me. Anyway, I try to respond. I don't think there's anyone I I've not responded to one form or another.   Michael Hingson ** 59:46 Yeah, I'm I'm the same way. If I get an email, I want to respond to it. Yeah, well, thanks again for being here, and I want to thank all of you for listening. We really appreciate it. Love to hear your thoughts about this episode. Please feel free to email. 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