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Levack and Goz on a Thursday July 16th, 2026 edition Knicks Kill ESPYSIs LeBron ever going to sign?"Fred Brown" coaching Syracuse World Cup Final SetMeetings not going great
The Jones Twins talk about their documentary film project, which blends comedic and surreal elements that reflect their legacy as New York-based writers/performance artists, and uncovers their unique backstory of growing up as bi-racial identical twins adopted by loving Black parents. www.Jonestwinslove.com
There are teams that gain success with championships and superstar players. Yet very few teams become ingrained in the culture and identity of a city. From their debut in 1967 with the backdrop of the city's aerospace industry which gave Seattle its "supersonic" name to the rise of players such as Fred Brown, Dale Ellis, and Nate McMillian. Still others with colorful nicknames such as "Slick" and "The X-Man". This team from the "Emerald City" also had "The Wizard, "The Reign Man" and "The Glove". Throughout their history, the Seattle SuperSonics weren't just a team based in the Pacific northwest, they were a vibe. In this episode of the podcast, Dana Auguster and Charles Combs will take a look back at one of the most beloved franchises in NBA history which in a few years, may be making a triumphant return. The Seattle SuperSonics, the first pro sports team in the city of Seattle, was one of the most successful franchises in the NBA whos history is filled with a myriad of all star players and hall of famers including a star point guard that played in the teams early years that would eventually lead them to their only championship while serving as their head coach. Also we will talk about the team owner who not only threatened the NBA by taking his team to join with the American Basketball Association but also talked openly about leaving Seattle all together to be a direct rival to the Lakers in Los Angeles. Speaking of leaving town, we will also talk about the heartbreaking and controversial move in 2008 as the sonics left the pacific northwest to find literal greener pastures in Oklahoma City. Leaving an empty shell in the coffee Capital of the world and fans still waiting, still hoping and still holding onto the Green and Gold. Rounding out the episode we will send a shout out to the Sonics first bonified superstar. In the fall of 1970, a young player arrived in Seattle from the ABA named Spencer Haywood. He not only he took on the best of the NBA on the court, but he took on the league itself off the court and then -- in court. Paving the way for college underclassmen to be eligible for the NBA draft. To contact the show, please drop us a line at Historically.Speaking.Sports@gmail.com.
Send us Fan MailEpisode 325 The Fly Fishing CommunityLast weekend we hosted our first Trout & Salmon Gathering at the Fox and Hounds down in Devon.The hotel has a special place in my heart as I spent 12 years of my life guiding the hotel's water.I'm always a little nervous ahead of these events but there was no need to worry.We kicked off with a film and went on to have talks, demos, tying, good food and even some music.The big clue I had was when groups of strangers were sat together for dinner and continued talking long after the food had been cleared.We were lucky to have some amazing guests to share their knowledge with attendees including Paul Procter, Simon Kidd, Gareth Lewis, Pete Cockwill, Jay Bartlett, Ed Thomson, Fred Brown, Harry Chance, Ed Noyes and many more.In-between my various duties I got the chance to speak with some of the people there about fishing and to capture a little of what went on.It was amazing fun and I hope you enjoy this episode.
CHRIS BROUSSARD (First Things First, FS1) INTERVIEW ATTACHED Consider this perfect timing as the NBA Board of Governors has just approved the preliminary vote to explore expansion to Las Vegas and Seattle! We get Chris' thoughts on the announcement. How should Seattle fans feel about this? Is it ok to be excited? How close to the end of this are we? Is there enough talent in the NBA to allow for expansion? How difficult will it be for the expansion franchises to have success? :30- IAN FURNESS joins the show with his instant reaction to the Sonics news this morning. How does he personally feel about this first step? :45- We get listener reaction to the Sonics news! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Send us a textEpisode 314 - River Walks and Streamer Talk on the River TawI catch up with friend Fred Brown for bacon sandwiches and a walk along the river.He now lives in Devon and like me, his home water is the Taw.I take him to where I spend most of my time fishing as we walk the river and plan trips for next year.Fred is an extremely talented angler who enjoys both salmon, sea trout and brown trout fishing.He has been fishing streamers for a while now and appears in the excellent River Trout Streamer Fishing Book by Theo Pike.I get some advice on how to fish them on a few of the pools we walk that I hope you'll find useful.A river always looks most beautiful when you can't fish it but it didn't matter. It was just good to be there.
From the classic film "Paris Is Burning", to Madonna's hit video "VOGUE", to the FX tv series "POSE" - everyone seems to have some media exposure to the underground LGBTQ+ world of "ballroom". Now there's a new coffee table book that celebrate the triumphs and beauty of the movement's creators. We walk to the author, about his journey and how the project came to fruition!
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There's an old saying which is now scientifically proven: "One drop of Black blood, means you're Black!." Listen to Andrea J. Fulton, Founder of the Fulton Arts Foundation (ABCfulton.org), as she explores the history and themes of that adage, through her play called "ONE DROP", being co-presented as dinner-theater at the John Wesley United Methodist Church in Brooklyn, NY, April 18-20th! Don't miss it!
In this episode of Sports the NEMO Way we bring the OKC Thunder top 5 to the table for discussion.
Pianist, composer and WQXR Radio Host Terrance McKnight chats with Fred Brown, about growing up Black in the South, the son of a minister playing music for his church, his days learning classical music Morehouse College in Atlanta, and the inspiration behind the creation of "Every Voice" - a new podcast devoted to marginalized perspectives and personalities in opera and classical music.
This week, Fred Brown joins us for being Being John Malkovich. WIll Cameron Diaz ever forgive Kai? Are sweatpants problematic? Has Jim been unlikable this whole time? “Give this man a Nickelodeon Kids Award.” - Fred Brown Go to linktr.ee/rottentreasure listen, like, follow, rate and review. It really helps the show! Captain's Log Shout-out: gofund.me/a0774fd3 or @Kai-Bobbi on Venmo to help out with The Other Host's vet bills for their cat Oliver's surgery.
Fred Brown has been going to the same Dunkin' on Lewis Street every day for the past 40 years and has become close with the manager and employees. WBZ's James Rojas reports:
Kudo CEO Ryan Lewis and NBA legend “Downtown” Fred Brown join Rick to discuss KUDO's protein-powered snacks and nutritional gummies. Kudo products are non-GMO, gluten-free and created to help health-conscious consumers snack (and supplement) without guilt. Kudo, The Good Conscience Snack Co., entered the functional foods market in 2022 with a product line that features … Continue reading Kudo CEO Ryan Lewis and NBA legend “Downtown” Fred Brown on Snacking Products →
We are EXCITED to welcome indy game devolper Fred Brown to talk Crystal Story: Dawn of Dusk with the cage! Please check out Crystal Story and Fred Brown Below: https://bredfrown.itch.io/crystal-story https://store.steampowered.com/app/1746590/Crystal_Story_Dawn_of_Dusk/ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCh1aaphqW0foMBizmlbejSA https://www.instagram.com/fredbreezyfosheezy/ https://twitter.com/bredfrown https://www.twitch.tv/bredfrown https://twitter.com/thecrystalstory https://bredfrown.tumblr.com/ NerdCage LIVE is... Jay Saint G Joe of FallenOne Gaming @Pretty Guardian Derek aka IAmTheOneWhoNerds NerdCage LIVE MERCH STORE IS NOW OPEN!! BUY OFFICAL MERCH BELOW: https://www.teepublic.com/user/nerdcage-live-merchstore The greatest hangout spot for all things NERD Culture is over on the Facebook Discussion group known as NERDCAGE NATION! Join over in the link below: https://www.facebook.com/groups/516827829468308 The NerdCage LIVE DISCORD Server is Now Up and Running! Join over in the link below: https://discord.com/channels/830576035698835466/947318441394700331 Every Tuesday we play old school and new school games on TWITCH! https://Twitch.TV/NerdCageLive For updates check out our Twitter: https://Twitter.com/Nerd_Cage and on Instagram: https://Instagram.com/Nerd_Cage Follow Pretty Guardian on her other platforms: https://www.youtube.com/c/PrettyGuardian https://www.twitch.tv/xprettyguardian https://www.facebook.com/prettyguardian2020 https://discord.com/invite/djGGC9t https://www.instagram.com/xprettyguardianx/ https://steamcommunity.com/id/xprettyguardianx/ And Derek's other platforms: https://www.youtube.com/user/Derekofthedead https://www.facebook.com/bonuscommentary https://www.twitch.tv/iamtheonewhonerds Logo and Banner designed by Michael Long. Animated Intro and Outro created by Roy Miles "NerdCage LIVE Intro", "NerdCage LIVE Outro", "'NerdCage LIVE on Twitch" and "NerdCage LIVE & Friends" Voiced and Produced by Matthew Farden. Written and edited by Jay Saint G. "Rage In The Cage" Voiced and Produced by Matthew Farden, Written by Jay Saint G visual intro by Jay Saint G with music provided by White Bat Audio. If you want Matthew Farden to voice YOUR work check out his website at: www.matthewfarden.com Music provided by Bensound at www.bensound.com "Rage In The Cage" and "LIVE on Twitch" Bedmusic by Max Brhon - "Humanity" [NCS Release] you can find it here: https://youtu.be/OJhqsUnKUWw Audio Only Podcasts for NerdCage LIVE Available below: Podbean: nerdcagelive.podbean.com Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5D6nUQE8PwgEolfLVahyYK Stitcher: https://www.stitcher.com/s?fid=547026&refid=stpr TuneIn: tunein.com/podcasts/Media--Entertainment-Podcasts/NerdCage-Live-p1337681/?topicId=149341541 Audible: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PvjRIkwIl8 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/nerdcage-live/id1520077541 iHeartRadio: https://www.iheart.com/podcast/269-nerdcage-live-68316953/ Also now on Pandora! https://www.pandora.com/podcast/nerdcage-live/PC:41155 Write a review of our show here on Podchaser: https://www.podchaser.com/podcasts/nerdcage-live-1312112
This week's guest Fred Brown, is a father of three and raising his niece Nia in the wake of the death of both of her parents. While navigating her unique trauma, Fred and his village work to assure his niece that she's not alone. Knowing he would be the one to raise Nia, Fred continues to instill in her the legacy of academic rigor that meant so much to her parents. On the firmer side of things are the whoopings they all endured that are no longer allowed and they trade stories from the trenches. On the softer side is the therapy that they all advocate for. Fred also makes sure to spend individual time with each child, knowing what they like and shares his confusion at their ever-changing interests. As always, FatherShould takes a firm/soft approach, taking us from the most poignant moments of life and loss, and back to the hilarious. Join to hear what Fleming advises parents what to look for in potential godparents and Ms. Von's tireless defense of Geminis everywhere.
This is Stephen Schmidt from the Gazette digital news desk and I'm here with your update for Friday, June 24. Back below 90 we go for the final day of the work week. According to the National Weather Service it will be mostly sunny with a high near 86 degrees on Friday in the Cedar Rapids area. There will be increasing clouds Friday with a low of 69 degrees. There will be a good chance of rain early Saturday morning. Warmer temperatures will return on Saturday and with that will come storms, but the push and pull will result in even cooler temperatures afterward. Iowa Democrats argued Thursday the state offers a path to victory for long-shot candidates and opportunities for meaningful conversations with rural Americans and Iowans from every walk of life as they made their pitch to hold onto their place at the front of the party's presidential nominating calendar. State party officials presented proposed changes for caucuses to the Democratic National Committee's Rules & Bylaws Committee in Washington in an effort to hold onto their first-in-the-nation status. Iowa Democratic Party Chairman Ross Wilburn told committee members Iowa presents a “unique opportunity” for presidential candidates to connect with voters distributed across urban, rural and suburban areas in a “presidential swing state” where a majority of congressional districts are competitive. The DNC rules committee voted in April to reopen the presidential nominating window, forcing all interested states — including the current early-nominating states of Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina — to apply for a spot. Iowa has long drawn criticism for being a first in the nation presidential contest given the state's lack of diversity and confusing caucus setup. The party hopes that the proposed changes to the state's caucus might help the state keep its traditional spot at the front of the line. According to the Associated Press, the United States Senate easily approved a bipartisan https://apnews.com/article/health-violence-gun-politics-mental-ab399a7a1c5eea98bcd12e944679355f (gun violence bill) Thursday, setting up final approval of what will be Congress' most far-reaching response in decades to the nation's run of brutal mass shootings. After years of futile Democratic efforts to curb firearms, https://apnews.com/article/shootings-texas-new-york-violence-buffalo-df9202d5686880aab00559979d180e17 (15 Republicans joined with them as both sides decided inaction was untenable) after last month's rampages in https://apnews.com/article/buffalo-supermarket-shooting-victims-982351652caf7ecf3da304c6c64f62fb (New York) and https://apnews.com/article/uvalde-texas-school-shooting-may-24-584466945120 (Texas). It took weeks of closed-door talks but senators emerged with a compromise embodying incremental change intended to stop more bloodshed. Senators Chuck Grassley and Joni Ernst split votes, with Grassley voting no and Ernst voting yes. The $13 billion measure would toughen background checks for the youngest gun buyers, keep firearms from more domestic violence offenders and help states put in place red flag laws that make it easier for authorities to take weapons from people judged to be dangerous. It would also fund local programs for school safety, mental health and violence prevention. Iowa's Keegan Murray was selected by the Sacramento Kings with the fourth pick in Thursday's NBA draft. Murray, from Cedar Rapids Prairie, became the highest NBA draft pick ever from Iowa. Fred Brown went sixth in 1971. Murray is the Hawkeyes' first Top 10 pick since Ronnie Lester in 1980. Murray joins a team that hasn't reached the NBA playoffs since 2006. They went 30-52 this season. Kings GM Monte McNair said Murray was an easy choice at No. 4. “Ultimately,” he said, “after sitting in the room with my front office staff, our whole staff, our scouting department, our analytics department, (it) became unanimous that Keegan Murray was the best player...
In episode one, part two of Pastor Dale's Foundations of Faith and Ministry, we discuss Heart For The World's culture, salvation and water baptisms with Pastor Thomas Bulger and Fred Brown. There has never been a time where there is a greater need for Christian Leaders to be raised up to lead for Christ in their families, churches, and vocational work. Christian leaders change the atmosphere, add value, and influence others to follow Christ at the very highest level. Pastor Dale is passionate about seeing a new generation of Christian leaders rise up to take their place so God's Kingdom can move forward in the world. For this to happen, people must understand the very special kind of leadership Jesus taught. We call it “servant leadership.” There are key differences between servant leadership and secular leadership that is often taught and modeled today. For the Dale Walker Leadership Podcast homepage, visit https://anchor.fm/dale-walker-leadership For more information on the HFTW School of Missions & Ministry go to https://www.hftw.church/course-descriptions
NAON had the pleasure of speaking with Erica Taylor, MD, MBA, FAAOS, FAOA Founder and CEO of the Orthopaedic Diversity Leadership Consortium and Dr. Fred Brown, DNP, RN, CENP Director of Generalist Education to explore Justice, Equity, Diversity and Inclusion (JEDI) principles from their experiences within the field of orthopaedics. Dr. Taylor is an Assistant Professor of Orthopaedic Surgery at Duke University School of Medicine, Chief of Surgery at Duke Raleigh Hospital, Associate Chief Medical Officer of Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion at Duke PDC and Vice Chair of Diversity, Duke Orthopaedics. Dr. Brown is an Assistant Professor for Adult Health and Gerontological Nursing at Rush University College of Nursing. In this first discussion on JEDI, NAON starts the conversation with an overview into program components through education. Our guests consider the action behind learning and a need to do more listening. Our guests discuss teaching JEDI principles within organizations to promote initiatives. It's their belief a key step to engaging in conversation on JEDI in any organization starts through forming genuine, authentic co-worker relationships. Our guests talk about creating value perception and providing equitable care through diversity in the workforce. We'll dig into quality improvement projects and how social determinants of health play a huge role in patient reported outcomes. We hope you join the NAON JEDI conversation.
On this special edition of "Listen in With KNN '' presented by FOX Sports Radio, host Kelsey Nicole Nelson welcomed special guest former Georgetown Hoyas Basketball Guard Fred Brown to the show! The duo discussed the Final Four and the NCAA March Madness Tournament as well as reflect back on the glory days of the Georgetown University basketball program when they were dominant. Relieve some epic Big East battles and more! #LIWKNN #ListenInWithKNN
Fred Brown left university to pursue his dream job as a fishing guide in Mozambique. He later returned back to the UK where he discovered life in London wasn't for him and spent all of his spare time travelling the UK with a fly rod and fishing the rivers while sleeping in his car.He is a dedicated follower of streamer fishing and I talk with him about the techniques he uses to fish this method.We cover a lot of other ground that I hope you'll find interesting.
Caitlin and Fred seek help in resolving a dinner time dispute that's ruined their relationship. Kate shares her summer plans as mediation season comes to an end.
Fred Brown is back again to discuss COVID-19 vaccines and mutations.
The boys were joined this week by Fred Brown, a true surveyor that has been working in the profession for over 40 years. Fred is proud to be the Director of Operations for Golden Field Services, Inc. (GFSI). GFSI specializes in providing professional services for the pipeline, power and telecommunication industries nationwide and has been doing so for over 25 years. We discussed what makes GFSI unique, the direction these vulnerable industries are heading and the challenges surveyors face when working in these projects. Fred has surveyed in most states of the United States as well as for several years overseas in the Oil & Gas and Mining & Metals Industries. Needless to say, he has some great stories, a few of which he was kind enough to share with us. Music for this episode by Midnight Oil!
As yet another piece of local infrastructure burns before our very eyes, we discuss the latest happenings at home and abroad in Frankfort. This week city council discussed the latest gravel updates and rental assistance among other things. Everyone's least favorite councilor Fred Brown dug himself into a deeper hole with the work session on banning Conversion Therapy in Lexington. Meanwhile in Frankfort, the legislative committees are up to their usual eroding of civil liberties. Follow us on twitter @LamePod Email us at: LexLamePod@gmail.com You can access minutes for city council at: https://lexington.legistar.com/Calendar.aspx Find out more at https://lame-pod.pinecast.co
This one ran suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuper long, and so we had no choice but to break it into two parts. This is part two, which contains the rest of our chat with Fred Brown, our resident infectious disease expert, to dive in on the latest with COVID-19. The vaccines and distribution of them. The variants and mutations that are hitting the public and are even here in Michigan now. As always with these, we strongly recommend watching the video if you want the full effect, which is embedded in this post or available on our IT in the D Facebook page. Fred's full presentation can be found here: It and the d 1.18.21
This one ran suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuper long, and so we had no choice but to break it into two parts. This is part one, which contains our usual opening banter and topics before we dive in with Fred Brown, our resident infectious disease expert, to dive in on the latest with COVID-19. The vaccines and distribution of them. The variants and mutations that are hitting the public and are even here in Michigan now. As always with these, we strongly recommend watching the video if you want the full effect, which is embedded in this post or available on our IT in the D Facebook page. Fred's full presentation can be found here: It and the d 1.18.21
We are once again joined by infectious disease expert Fred Brown for this episode. This time, we dive into the recent news about vaccines - what the real story is with them, when they're going to be available to which groups of people, and when you might be able to expect to get one... and where. Challenges still facing the country, Why things aren't looking too good for the rest of 2020 and into mid-2021. All of this and more this week. As with every episode Fred is on, we recommend catching the video version of this if you can, since the context of his slides are important to understanding the words and conversational flow. His presentation: COVID VACCINE HBS 2020 11 15 FINALv1
Once again we dive in with infectious disease expert Fred Brown, this time to talk through the potential impacts of the Michigan Supreme Court ruling, what the subsequent Department of Health ruling means, what Trump's prognosis may look like in the coming days, and so much more. Then we all freak out when we find out how much Blac Chyna makes on Only Fans per month and a whole host of other topics. Listen in! Fred Brown is at: http://www.fredbrown.com/ Fred's presentation from tonight is here: COVID MI Supreme Court
Episode 364 - Fred Brown Talks Vaccines, Economic Impact, and more COVID-19 news
Episode 361 – Fred Brown and COVID-19 Updates, Schools Opening
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I promise myself the next time we had Fred on, I would have ominous music cued up for the background and I failed If you don’t know who that faces in the bottom left, or if you’re listening to the podcast after we are joined by the illustrious one, um, one of our, the best guests we’ve ever had, and he’s been gracious enough to be on the show for a third time. Mr. Fred Brown, sir. How are you? And now you didn’t need to wear a tie on our behalf. I got, uh, I, I, I was meeting the appropriate standards, so I appreciate, you know, what we thought that everything was kind of making sense. Right? You made, you brought the world to our fingertips. You started to make sense and give a stats. And it seems like since you left us, the planet has completely on that right. Going on. Oh man. Yeah. So yeah, the covert writer is really the tough one. It turns out, uh, we’re we’re finding out the good news is we’re finding out more about it. The Bad news is that we’re not managing very well, especially in the Americas. So if you look at the coven outbreak, You don’t say [inaudible] Okay. 60% of it between kind of a U S and Brazil. And uh, yeah, we, we made, we made some, some tactical areas. We, and it’s just completely unforgiving, you know, this is about nature. So if you, you know, if you make a mistake with nature, it’s just, it’s just merciless and that’s, that’s where we’re at. We’re at right now. Uh, I ran some numbers just so you, if you’re interested in for sure. And, and um, yeah, you know what I, uh, hold on, Honestly, I feel like we’re seeing the, basically the effect of the numbers that you showed us the last or the first time you were on where this is not a one, like even, okay. You hear about, you know, the, uh, the R T value and it’s okay. It’s just over one. That doesn’t mean that for every like one person infects one person we’re seeing that skyrocketing exponential growth rate right now, which is super concerning. Yeah, it is. If you know, the epidemiology is about numbers, eyebrows, and numbers, everyone’s kind of coming in at about 200,000 through, uh, September one. That’s a lot of people in, out of state to die right now, death count. And by end of next year, Wait a minute, wait, wait, wait, hold on. I want to make sure I understood. Okay. So 200 that by September. Yeah. September one, we can do it Only at 130,000 now. Yeah. Wow. Spike and a couple two to three weeks, but if we’re not lucky and it keeps going, then it will be definitely I have a tip. It spikes like you think the, you know, at around about three weeks in terms of new cases, then we have to wait four to five weeks for the death rates and, uh, and the, and the decline. And so September one likely, you know, certain kind of labor day timeframe, it’ll be about a thousand. And, and unfortunately if we run the numbers, you know, for what we’re expecting by the end of next year, by end of 2021, uh, even if we have a partially available vaccine, and even if we do some smart things, uh, we’ll probably be close to a million. So, and I guess that actually feeds into a, like one of the questions here, what he said. Yes, I, yes, I did. Yeah. Um, I’m trying not to drink more right now that, that, uh, that no, but like, so like that, that’s one of the things that cause, and this dovetails with what we were just talking about, which is why I want to talk about that is I’m seeing a lot of, I don’t know if they’re bad math or uninformed arguments that are saying, okay, all these, we’re seeing all this skyrocketing in cases, but everybody says the death rate is declining, so it’s no big deal. Right. So, and I’ve, I’ve Fred, I’ve done my part. I’ve, I’ve tried, but I am only me. So tell people why that, the case, like why are we seeing, you know, 15,000 a day and you know, Florida and Arizona, everybody else, but we’re not seeing that one to one ratio yet. Yeah. Well it turns out that the death rate overall, compared to what we’re seeing out there is to planning, uh, slightly. And that’s because, uh, it’s a younger population. Uh, we’re getting a little bit better treating this. Uh, and, uh, and, uh, and, uh, we are testing a little bit, a little bit more. And so the death rate comparatively, um, uh, is, is it’s about we, we think the don’t work, we’re still not sure what the exact death rate is. Uh, we think it’s around between 0.7 and 1.25, give you a sense of that. Hulu is it’s 0.01. So there’s not, you get the 0.1%. You’re talking about something that’s 10 times more Debby than the flu. The reason that we’re not sure it’s because of the, there’s a, there’s a mutation, that’s a third. So if you look at Chicago, Northwestern just reported, they’re actually three different screens in Chicago. And one of the strains is about four and a half times more, uh, more effective than the other two. Uh, and so what we’re, and unfortunately it also goes into the nose a lot more. Uh, the original Chinese buyers sort of split into one, and I know it’s, but equally this one, but for folks in the nose, and unfortunately the nasal STEM you’ll have faculty STEM. Uh, it allows that that particular virus to get into the brain more effectively. So we’re seeing a lot more central nervous system results, uh, as well as this new virus with, for transmittable, uh, new strain, we call the complaints played three, uh, in this case has moved into the population. The next year is more prevalent than the original Springs were. So we’re having some challenges, just kind of understanding some of the basics about the epidemiology of the, uh, of the virus. And it could be, yes. What was some of the new information coming out that all the autopsies that are getting returned are, uh, an abnormal amount of blood clotting? Is that a newer strain or what’s a, what’s the story with that? So, and that actually dovetails into the question that I was going to ask, which, you know, basically it comes down to, you know, so we’re only, only, we’re only a few months into this relatively speaking, you know? So, I mean, I think that’s the hard part is what don’t we know yet. And like, you know, like when it comes to longterm effects and what are we still learning? So believe it or not, when you look at the number of resolve cases versus the number of the people who are still sick, uh, there are about 53% of our population that still was reporting, being sick. There are unresolved cases, so they’re, they’re out of the hospital, but they’re still having symptoms that are similar to what they’ve had in the past that got them into the hospital in the first place. And a lot of patients are flying back a month, two months afterwards and showing viral load increases again. So it’s sort of pumped down viral, comes out in little peaks, two to three months out. And we’re, I feel that that’s a re-infection with some doc cause they’re saying, or which means that, and unfortunately in the reinfection, but they’re seeing if they, if they are true that the Nunes system, uh, you know, develops antibodies, you have some antibodies for about three months apparently. And if you’ve got a fairly decent medication and then the antibodies just appears, we will, aren’t saying, Hey, I got some antibodies and they’re going out and getting infected. And it turns out the second time you get this thing, it can be extremely dangerous and even worse, worse than the first, then your first bout of it that’s happened three or four times. I don’t have it go. We’re looking at that pretty carefully, Like chickenpox, like, like if you get like a mild case, it might not stick and you might not have the immunity and then you get like, and then the sec, and then if you get it again, it’s Oh my God. So much worse That can happen with chickenpox moving to shingles. That’s exactly right. And that’s a daily fevers, another one where you get at once and that’s what have, you know, you’re out there. If you can get anybody to get again, it just keeps you like a ton of bricks. They need to rename both of those, by the way, because every take me see it, like I got shingles, it’s kind like, Oh boy, I hope everything’s okay. Like Lyme disease or like, Oh, well, you know, what’d you drink too much, like too many Corona, like, you know, anyway. Um, but no, I’ll go back to the blood clotting. Oh, I’m sorry. Yes. The blood. So here here’s what happens. The truth is that our decorate hasn’t really been going down what’s happened is that we’ve had slightly fewer hospitalizations. What happened when 80% of the people get this stuff and about 20%, half, unfortunately have a bad enough, they have to go to the hospital. That segment has not changed very much. Once you get into the hospital, about 30% of those people go on to go on to the ICU and about 10 to 15% of those people die. Uh, so, you know, it’s, it’s kind of, so, and that’s about a 6.8% death rate if you’re out of the hospital and that’s been very consistent in all across countries. And so on that hasn’t really changed. Uh, what has changed is with people with people’s sensibilities. So it turns out that there are two things that really drive, what are they going to die? The first one is, are you more susceptible? Because you’ve got conditioned, preexisting conditions like hypertension, especially in the United States. If you’re obese, if you smoke, if you have asthma and of course, diabetes and some other, other factors, those factors, and it turns out sadly, if you’ve got a lot of, um, testosterone and your, and a lot of androgens, chances are, you’ve got a lot of 30% greater chance of having a very bad case of COVID then they’re not. So balding them, people with prostate conditions, the management in those categories, You’re just throwing punches at all of us right now. Aren’t you like that? Yeah. Are the two things really defined 41. So what about 41% of U S is it real, is it realistic having a bad base of this thing die about what that leaves, you know, 90% of us, we can walk around and say, Hey, I’m in good shape. I don’t have worried about it. And that’s why you see about half people wearing masks and half not. If you go out publicly. So this is, this is a two parter. Um, I didn’t have to request them though. I should have. So what happens is that the virus gets in and you start doing symptoms between two and 14 days after, once you start showing symptoms about, about five to eight days later, it gets into your lungs and start coughing and having headaches and so on right after, and then it moves from there to your blood. So, and that happens about six to 8% of the time. If it gets into your blood, then you’re in big trouble. And that’s what you, that that is causing the clotting. And it’s basically this, uh, this, this, uh, and, and it turns out also if you’re type a or B, if you’re type O you have about a 30% less chance of getting, getting the diseases with gen X and the way it works. Uh, so yeah. Is it similar to like similar, like sepsis? It’s like, it’s okay if it’s contained in a little bit of it gets in your blood, you’re kind of screwed. Cause that’s, that’s what I had to deal with November. Yeah. Acceptance as well is actually worse is more deadly than by acceptance. But yeah. So, uh, once you get into the ICU environment here, it’s only about 30%. So it’s close. Uh, people die of two things. One is too much fluid in the blood. They actually Google them and can’t get enough air and into the, into the, into the lungs, that’s one part of the, but the other cause of death that’s even more traumatic is, uh, it causes permanent organ damage. If you are to survive, it is the spotting back there. And that’s why I love the reason that people give antibiotic vectors and so on. I think Aspen and so on. Once you get past that, those factors. So we are starting to try to treat that early and fat, the trick about treating COVID and other viruses that predict early. Cause once it starts, once it replicates, it replicates extremely rapidly. And then it’s that overwhelmed full system. It does two things. The first thing it does is it, it fools the body and sneaks its way in the cell. So the body generally doesn’t know how bad the infection is and does that with sugar holdings, which are, and it goes into [inaudible] inhibitor, which is very critical for mobile. I’m sorry, like sugar coatings, like I’m like, I’m like seriously, like coronavirus is driving around with a panel van that says free candy on the side. That’s amazing. They don’t actually reveal itself until it’s, that are very similar to the a and B type of blood, uh, glycoproteins on your blood and those sort of fools. Exactly. It’s all these pokings and then it’s Coke, those groupings of sugar and it kind of fools the body and to thinking this isn’t a very big attack and it’s sort of, I’m sort of used to this anyway, as part of my body, I’m not going to really fight much. Once it gets into the cells, then the cells, the body surprise and overreact, especially among people who were over 60 and 70 and it would have what they call a cytokine storm. And that’s exactly what Bob was talking about with receptionist when that cytokine storm occurs and the body just starts to completely attack itself and everything in it. Wow. So it’s a sort of smell and sort of a wild ed allergy and extremely hard to target control because all the asymptomatic, uh, transforms can go. I don’t know if you’ve seen this yet, but it was, it was actually really, I found it very interesting and it was, it was a good watch and it’s only three episodes. Um, it’s, it’s on Netflix and it’s called, um, I believe it’s called coronavirus explained or understanding coronavirus one of the two. Um, and you could tell that it was, it was, I think it got released like maybe a month ago. Um, and you could tell they were working with the best information they had at the time, but as far as like the origin of it and the, and the science behind it, like, like what you were just talking about with how it infects cells, I thought they did a really good job with that. So, I mean, for people that are out there that want to check that out and like, cause they really, they do cutesy little cartoons and to show you like how this stuff actually flows and all that kind of stuff. But I guess the next question I want to get to, cause I know it’s, it’s, it’s really upfront, um, on a lot of people’s minds right now, uh, is so like I know, uh, today, uh, Los Angeles just shut their bars and restaurants down again and also announced that, uh, their schools will not be reopening, um, on schedule. So, and I know, uh, I’ve got a, I’ve got a couple teachers on my friends list that asked the same question, like, what is your take on school’s reopening? And, and, and then doing it safely. Like I know we’ve seen a lot of kind of conflicting information coming from different sources at the top. Um, so from a just science guy perspective, like what, what is your take on this? So the reason you’re seeing conflicting conflicting data is because every school district is a little bit different. You know, if you go to the GP, they don’t have quite a bit kind of density. We need to now have the, they don’t have the amount of virus in the environment. They don’t have many communities, but as we knew, uh, and, um, the, so, so, you know, that’s a different kind of environment they can County or w w uh, Wayne or with home, or, and so there is a little bit of difference between the, the, the, the, the school. So that’s one thing. Um, the second thing is that, um, there is a fairness issue that people are worried about and that about half the U S population actually can’t afford, uh, individual computers, what they’re told them and all the internet. So they’re worried they’re going to be a whole who people, but really gonna get behind. It makes sense for a long period of time. So, so that’s why you’re seeing a lot of little, a lot of these issues, the last big issue, isn’t it, isn’t the economy. And it turns out that 16% officially of people saying, if I don’t have a daycare center, I can’t work. And can probably, it’s a lot higher than that. If people said, well, I can probably work, but I’m distracted half the time because I got kids who have needs. And I’ve a, you know, and I got to make that up after hours and it’s going to be, it’s a, it’s a challenge for them just to just be productive. So we got both kind of three things. Plus the socialization with children. It turns out the kids fall most behind in mathematics, most behind in mathematics. That’s the biggest issue. Clearly we do not need that to happen as a country anymore than we are. You have a choice of what to teach the kids face to face. I choose kind of mathematics. I would say the hard subjects for sure. Yeah. Maybe programming computer, because I could use that all myself. So, um, you know, those are the things that you really want to, if you have to have kids go to school in staggered and focus on one or two things for one at early ages, those are the big ones that really matter. And then as we get older, of course, they start to be able to study themselves and learn things on their own. But certainly, you know, third, fourth, fifth, sixth grade. So those are really critical years. You don’t want to fall too far behind, but there’s a big push on the one side. And that sort of overwhelming a lot of the true data, you know, cause there’s an economic set of data and reality. And then there’s the data we’ve got hail just came through with a big study and they actually modeled this pretty carefully. And basically their, their conclusion was that unless you’re testing college students about, uh, about, uh, two time, every two days, if you’re testing for the coronavirus, you will have an outbreak game four. So that, that was there. Well, and think about your average campus and burning through those tests every two weeks. Wow. And I think that’s true. The biggest issue we’ve got with the young kids is number one, we don’t actually know very much about yet. The reason we don’t really know very directly on kids is cooked meat. It’s a question because the schools were shut down. Yeah. We shouldn’t really go. We don’t as a medical community, we know very, very little about transmission, about death rates, about conflict. Kim’s about how long this thing lasts about France, about a space of Maddix, uh, about, about activities that call spread, all those things. We really don’t have any data really rolling the dice to some extent, but when I find a project, but that’s the best guest from university students and progressing that down then to elementary kids, the biggest issue we’ve got is in mixed household, where there are elderly people involved. So if you’re wanting to go and visit your grandma or grandma’s helping because mom and dad are working and the grandma’s helping out during the grown abide rescue times, there is a huge chance to attract Well. And I think that the two things that I’ve seen that really kind of just nail the problem to a T is one is, you know, kids cough like this, and you want them back in school. And then number two, if, if one kid on the bus has a project with glitter it, how many kids on the bus have glitter on them? Talk to these poor teachers. And they say, you know, I’m going back to school. Our school buses are vectors. We don’t have a double of school and we have to do a double duty, right? Don’t work. When I was in high school, we had no, sometimes we, when we didn’t have enough money, we would have half the students come at the same high school. Second half of the day, second half, second round of students would come through a high school and you can kind of divide that. But if you do the math, I do, I am aware a little bit. It’s only universities. There’s one university I’m working with their biggest lecture hall houses, 475 people. Yes. How many they can get into go back to their hall safely. Socially distance. No, no little bit better. But your host is going to go 10%. Yeah. Yeah. 75 people. That’s it. And that’s a classroom that normally goes 475 people. Okay. Well then let’s extrapolate that out. I mean, your typical, like I know the elementary school that’s right up the street from me, their typical classroom size is 30. So that’s down to seven. Well, yeah, yeah. Now luckily the kids don’t need quite as much space cause they don’t, you know, they don’t expect to quite as far, uh, you know, the, uh, but, but I feel badly for the teacher, but about a third of our teachers over 50 and that really puts you in a risky category, you know? So, um, I think, I think, you know, as I said, you know, in areas like California, it would be very dangerous to open things up where you’ve got a lot of coronavirus in the air and the air we’ve got a fast increase in, in, in case rates, uh, lots of communities spread. And you’ve got a, you know, a lot of, a lot of people living in close quarters, like in Los Angeles, they got 680,000 students going to that school. You know, that’s a hard situation and that’s why I think they closed it down. Uh, I think in Michigan, I think, um, it’s going to be very hard, uh, to open things up in densely populated areas, uh, at a certainly won’t be normal schooling. I think you’re going to have to have a hybrid approach, meaning you’re going to have to do some things at home and some things in the school. And the problem with that is, is that it hurts our economy, right? If you’re a mother or father at home trying to work with the kids and you know, they’re home Monday, Wednesday, Friday, that doesn’t really help me. I work. That’s a really, it’s a really challenging, it’s probably the most challenging thing we have. If you do this, if you do the math, uh, we think, um, depending on the situation between two and 4% of, of a, of a, of a, of a viral spread up to 25% of the level, I mean, elementary schools are Petri dishes. Let’s be honest. I mean, that’s, Well, if it’s two to four, because you’ve got, you know, you’ve got a social distancing and you don’t have that many students going to each school, um, uh, and they’re not staying in school quite as long and they have, uh, they have testing it’s regular. Then you’re talking about two to 4%. If you’re talking about schools that have more than 500 students that where you’re breaking against them and changing classes and brushing against other students, uh, say a hundred times a day. Yeah. Everybody going to their lockers, everybody going. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, then, then you’re talking about probably 55%. Uh, you know, you can, you could really get a spread the gold very, very rapidly. I mean, they’ve done a lot of the Matthew [inaudible] if we could be done with this, Fred, I got a, I got a quick question. Um, I’m like, you’re, you’re, you’re my voice have a voice of reason. The, the, you know, the reason of truth, whatever we want to call you, um, memes are floating around all the time. And the topic of the last three weeks has been masked. It seems like everybody’s yelling at the invisible boogeyman on social media, like to wear your mask. Well, who are you yelling at? Um, well, this one just came out today and I’m just curious if this, how much of this is bullshit. Um, it says mat mask protection efficiency in there, six masks, the two things that were alarming to me, like the surgical, the free mask that you get at, like the, you know, they say that one’s 80 or 90% good for virus, bacteria, dust and pollen. Right? The one that was interesting to me was the cloth mask. The one that they’re selling, like with like fashion tops, 0% effectiveness on the virus, a bacteria, 50% dust, 50%. And then the sponge mask, which kind of is like the formed, like a neoprene almost zeros across the board. So, you know, and then the other ones are mostly good. Um, but I was just curious as what the cloth mats going to sponge, like, cause that’s the one I see everyone wearing for the most part in particular. Yeah. Yeah. But then it says, uh, according to this meme, it says it’s garbage, but I, you know, I’m kind of wanting to come to you to say like, all right, make some sense of that. Yeah. So, uh, the physics is really simple. It’s it’s, if you can hold it basically it’s a physical barrier. So depending on how thick the physical barrier is, um, for the cloth, the regular quality, Well actually hold on. So Bob Lee, I guess clarifying question, is that meme, is that percentage protecting you or protecting others? It says mask protection, efficiency. I feel like that’s one of the things we’ve talked about all along is like, your mask is not about protecting you it’s it’s like, especially the cloth ones, it’s about keeping stuff from getting out, right? Yeah. But it says mass protection deficiency, that’s it. So I don’t know if it’s in our, you know, ingress or egress. I do not know. Yeah. It’s looking at, it’s looking at address a jet generally. That’s easier for them to experiment with. So usually it looks at a little machine that pumps out and stuff and they put stuff over the, uh, over, over base in, uh, uh, with various poles and, and the different fabrics. And basically a mask are quite effective now, but you need to have a couple of layers. If you only have one layer of, for example, of a, of sill, uh, then it’ll, it’s fairly ineffective if you have four layers. And so it is very effective. So it’s actually the physical barrier, uh, on, on those kinds of answers you’re describing. Yeah. So like this one that I run around with, like, it’s, it’s pretty thick. Like it’s, there’s at least a couple of layers in there. Yeah, no, I can’t. There’s no light coming in. Yeah, no, that’s probably about 60% effective. Now the difference between shout out to these guys. Okay. Okay. The difference between that and a surgical mask, or then 95 mask is weak and 95 mass actually eliminate 95% of particles that are less, that are up to a brief, better three microns, a 0.3 microns or less than size that’s, that’s a fairly small particle and it can really be effective. The other thing that those are those, those, those, those, uh, artificial fabrics have was electrostatic charges. And those electrostatic cars is actually a trap, the particles viral particles in them. So if you’re looking at an official surgical mask, but they don’t say it’s a surgical mask that is been manufactured under those kinds of conditions, that States, that means it has an electrostatic charge that actually blocks not just a physical barrier, but it has a chemical kind of like a static area as well. Same thing. [inaudible] certain kinds of fabrics And any fives got a 90, is it 95% on the virus, then a hundred percent on all the other bacteria, Dustin pollen, but others, go ahead, Randy. My other question with masks is that that effect deafness is just virus particles itself. And we’ve heard that COVID virus particles, aren’t transmitting just free form they’re in water drop. Great point. That’s great. That’s a great point. So the surgical masks are actually designed to stop blood splatter. And so that’ll, that’ll prevent liquid to a matter of them and entering as well. The cloth mass, not the reason we’re concerned about them, uh, while the particles, uh, is that, uh, we, we, we think there are three kinds of transmission. One is what they call fomites where the particle gets on a surface. And generally after about a day for most services, with the exception of aluminums plastics, then so, um, the virus will buy or investigate, uh, dry out, uh, the, the other. So the next kind of, of transmission is droplets people coughing at you and unfortunately, droplets coming off of you and getting into your mucous membranes. But the last time is actually the most kind of insidious. And that is, uh, we think that an aerosol, so these are 0.4 micron size droplets, uh, especially in dry weather. Uh, there are more, more of them, uh, and, um, uh, they can stay in the air for up to three hours of the COVID by us for tuberculosis, we can see on the air for six hours. Uh, so that’s a, it gives you a sense of, you know, so if you get into an elevator after four or five people got on it, uh, who’ve had COVID, there’s no one on the elevator. You sit there and handle them and, you know, go up a hundred floors. Okay. Yeah, it wasn’t didn’t that just happen. They had like what, 72, they had 72 cases track back to a woman who had been in an elevator by herself and yet the lingering effects yeah. Attack the disease. You know, if you think I’m pretty safe, as long as I’ve socially distanced and suddenly that, that changes all of a sudden, the rules have to change and all your policies change. It’s a challenge. Yeah. Conditioning stories that are going around right now. If you want to get people really pissed off closing the bar is one thing, but telling them to turn off their ACS and other what’s a, what’s the story with that? Well, I was gonna say, well, and that’s actually one of the questions that we’ve got is, you know, so what, what can, you know, as a, either a, a business owner or a homeowner or whatever, like what, what should we be looking at with our HVAC systems in order to like, you know, improve things or help as much as we can. Yeah. They’re there. So you can look at records to dock options, a friend of mine, uh, uh, as a scientist in the space, looking at ultraviolet light. Uh, so for example, some of the larger Ingersoll Rand, uh, air conditioners, those large manufacturers of central air conditioners, I’ll have two to two different, uh, opportunities to improve the HVAC system. The first is to do have a filter work now that can, that can wreak havoc. This is a balanced system. And if you suddenly block it even more than it was planned to be blocked, you can really destroy your whole compressor and everything else. So you have to make sure that the retrofit will work, but you can architect a much more, uh, uh, start to clean out a lot more of the particles and try to get the circulation of the ear, uh, through the system, uh, much more often frequently, you’ll have a complete circulation of the air in your office once every couple of hours, if you can get that down to 15, 20 minutes, I got a lot of bullying going on, but that, that, that, that really can make a difference. The second big thing is, is UBC line is it’s a frequency of light that, uh, is particularly deadly for the, for the coronavirus. And, uh, it can kill virus particles. The problem is you have to get the light everywhere on it. Uh, you can’t, we can’t have little shaded areas and things like that in, in the, and the, in the, in the duct work. Uh, so some, some, in some instances it’s pretty easy to retrofit and only takes us between two, a Dover, and then put in the UV light source. And other instances that really requires a think of the whole system. Uh, and then you want to look at the amount of, of what they go laminar flow. And that’s what we looked at working with three and four labs. It’s kinda like laminar flow. You’ve got to push the virus around and make sure it’s circulating and pointing to the systems, uh, effectively. But I, the, if you can keep your windows open or work outside, uh, it’s a lot safer than being inside, especially for extended duration. So the things that really drive this is, you know, how big is the crowd, uh, how much virus is in the year? How much circulation do you have and how long do you stay at, at, at a place by, or something here tends to be, uh, people breathing hard and heavily, uh, that, that causes most virus in the air. So if people are coughing or shouting, um, uh, then, then chances are, it’s going to quite a bit of virus in the ear. If they’re close to each other, not able socially distance, and you’re there for more than 15 minutes, you’ve got a chance to catch him Well. So in that kind of feeds in to the, one of the other questions that came in, as, you know, a lot of over the years, a lot of, uh, businesses have shifted to more of an open office concept, you know, instead of people that, you know, send everybody’s in cube farms and that kind of stuff, like, what do you do? So the number one thing is don’t sit across from me though, whatever you do, you don’t want to have people face to face reading. I didn’t go to back and forth with that. That happens a lot. Sadly that’s probably when the more efficient the system we had was to have, you know, call center and so on people facing each other, you know, sort of interested in why people occupied the mines don’t do that. Know the first thing you want to do is break that apart. So you’re not basing with the other and having, you know, people exchange a lot of, uh, a lot of air. Uh, second thing you want to do is look at the intake and the exhaling of the, of the, of the air conditioning system, make sure that you’re not pulling up a lot of, uh, a lot of that aerosols. Third thing you want to do is try to make as much space as you can generally, you know, your executive don’t have to be around anymore. They could be working like we are right now. And that that usually provides we’re a company that I work with about 40% more space, use that 40%. Let them, you sit in the CEO’s office, spread that out for the workers. Now every day, third thing is you want to make sure that you are hand-washing poly 10 times a day, uh, as a worker, uh, especially if you’re experiencing things. Fourth thing is no canteen. Now, no more cafeteria, no more workspaces, no more, no more, no congregating and Buffy breaks. Get them out the door and their cars bring green food in for them. You know, don’t, don’t, don’t, don’t open the cafeteria, cause that does a big cause. You know, try to test everyone coming in and going out and stagger that. So they, the timing, uh, needs, they don’t have to all congregate all at once. Try to get into the building together, whether they’re work basic. The other thing is cohorts try to keep people in groups. So they understand who they’ve been involved with. One of those people come down with something, at least you haven’t been exposed the entire, the entire community. You don’t do it. At least it will be controlled by a private people. Fourth thing is look at all your best seven, seven hours. Look at all your classes where those processes are able to be remote and not work with each other. Meaning you have to build with me, you have to buy an extra piece of equipment, will be blocked, carrying equipment, that kind of thing. Uh, try to make sure all those policies, uh, are able to be done remotely, singularly. Uh, if you have to have teams of people working together on a process, then make sure you have people really make three MPP. And finally you want to wash down everything every hour, uh, and then be cleaning every night. Well, that question came from someone. That question came from someone that, um, the, basically they have a it’s like, I think we talked about this before. There’s like 10 tables to a pod and it’s basically five on one side, five on the other. And then it just rows and rows and rows and rows of people. But they’ve put hockey glass partitions between the desks, but I can still touch my neighbor per se. So is that how much helpful is that versus just saying, Hey, I’m trying to do my part. Like, do you know what I’m saying? Like, I think I’ve checked the box on the form to comply with our liability requirements. Yeah. It’s like changing your profile picture on Facebook. Like I am helping, At least they’re crying, right? I mean, at least at least, you know, I, you know, the worst is if they, if they just said, well, we shut down for a little while was open the doors, but at least fine, we can start all over again. But that’s like, that’s, that’s really negative because things have changed a lot. If at least people have applied to do something, um, then that’s, that’s a positive, right? It means you don’t your carers and trying to make sure we’re staying healthy. But the truth is if you’re not able to maintain a six foot distance, um, uh, with people and you’re sitting across from them and you’re able to physically touch them and you’re sharing environments like that, um, there’s a, there’s a, there’s a good chance that if things go through, especially if people are talking a lot, um, you know, Oh yeah, that’s you’re so the first thing you want to do is understand your own level of security, right? If you’re a young 20 year old person who feels pretty competent, I might think about, I might think about it, but if you’re, if you’re orange and you got a compromising condition, never, never know. I mean, it’ll kill you, but what, what this thing does, is it hibernates in, you know, in people, you know, it goes without reproducing having a great time. Right. And it’s, I mean, that’s, that’s Exactly, but you know, it’s having a great time. We’re using our reproductive system and pushing things through and everything else. And then it eventually finds somebody who’s susceptible and who has a preexisting condition. And it goes, Wasn’t there an article that says, if you have sex, wear a mask with someone, a couple of literally that came out of England. Um, it was, yeah, but so, and so I guess that actually feeds into one of the other questions that I got in, which is okay. So Knowing what we know at least right now, and I always put that caveat on it, cause do this as science shit evolve, shit changes. We’re still learning. Um, what does quote unquote recovered from COVID-19 mean? What, what, like what, what does that mean right now? Yeah. So what it means is that you’ve gone through and so did you catch the disease and you’re diagnosed with it. What you have to have is two positive tests after 24 hour period in both your nasal and your lungs and two negative deaths, right? So there’s new, a positive. We go through the whole system, your body clears, there’s a virus out and setting it. Usually that usually takes 14 to 20 days. And at that point you’ll have tests redone and you’ll do the nasal plate. You won’t see anything you’ll do, you’ll do the long piece. You won’t see anything. You do that twice over 24 hour period, everything all clear, then your, your quote, unquote resolve. Um, I had one that come in and I know exactly who this is and why she’s asking it. Um, so it’s, uh, so how do you feel about, um, indoor sports right now? Uh, you know, things like volleyball, um, you know, things that are, you know, the, like a lot of the, the school sports are still gearing up on, even though we’re still not sure what’s going to happen with schools yet. Um, but I know like I’ve seen kids out on baseball fields and they’re all kind of like, we talked about the MLB opening Bob and don’t, you know, they’re all wearing batting gloves. They’re all wearing masks in the dugout and all that stuff. But like, how do you, like, I think indoor is, is a lot different and it’s probably your answer probably is going to make my skin curl Indoor is about 18 times more dangerous than outdoors general. And the fact that outdoor professional sports who are currently living in bubbles or are having outbreaks, you know, 40, 40 baseball players who are wearing a helmet And I’m, and I’m not going to lie. Like that’s the part that really truly amazed me about seeing kids out on the baseball field. I’m like, dude, if the professional sports teams that are spending millions of dollars on these people, can’t keep their shit safe. What are you doing? Like The NHL went up to Canada to go ahead, to reduce the viral load environment, you know, uh, you know, trying to keep yourself safe in Orlando is really challenging right now. Uh, the main soccer had an outbreak among 12 teams, uh, uh, so far. Uh, and the problem is that no, the vector is the ball, you know? So you expect something like a guy out until go around the horn. Everyone’s comfortable you’re to do, uh, you know, same thing with volleyball. You know, people are, are sweating. They’re they’re, they’re, they’re working hard. They’re uh, they’re, they’re, they’re exhaling The same thing you were saying about Jim’s when, when I, when we asked you that last time You’re facing people, right? I mean, you’re, you’re, you’re, you’re facing people. You’ve got to get close. You gotta, you know, you gotta be what you want to ground spikes. You want to hit spikes. Uh, you have to get, you have to get the sets. Right? All those things mean it will be extremely difficult if even one person on your team. Well, I, one person on the opposing team had the, to have the virus, there was a great cancer. We going to have it after the game. Yeah. Cause like my, uh, my daughter’s playing soccer. They’ve been practicing for good month, but they won’t let what they want, allow them to scrimmage. So it’s really just doing ball, handling drills, running, um, kind of light, you know, activity, but they’re not letting them play. Yeah. That that’s, that’s, that’s comparative to say, you know that that’s, that’s a good practice right now. Do we know more about [inaudible] we’re in fast? Uh, I hope in a good way that it’s maybe not as dangerous as we think right now. Uh, but it doesn’t, it there’s a great cancer. It isn’t. So how about, how about the elephant in the room? Um, the governor comes out and issues in a, um, an emergency. What’s the word emergency alert saying, you know, everybody wear masks and then here a year you have, you know, Oakland County Sheriff’s like kiss my ass, McComb County, sheriff kiss my ass Leelanau County Lake. He’s like, I am enforcing that. I found the response. Interesting. They are not going to respond to individuals that are reporting it. But if a business reports, somebody being obstinate or not wearing a mask and refusing to comply, they will respond to that. Well, that’s basic trespassing, right? If you ask them to leave, the problem is, you know, and I overheard somebody talking today, I’m saying like, Hey, my daughter is 16. She’s working at the grocery store. She’s not going to front some 40 year old house mom and say, you can’t come in. It’s not her job. Right. And it’s just not her inner psyche. So it’s like, you know, again, so now we’re seeing the common citizen, everybody, you know, they, they, they tell you something like take a picture of the person and submit it to the health department. It’s like, are we getting to that point as a society? Um, it’s like, what, what do you make? I mean, we’re all trying to do our part. We really are. And there’s a couple people that are assholes, but like, what are we supposed to do about all this? Yeah. You know, citizens arrest, you know, certainly don’t, don’t get yourself in a scuffle. Just, just avoid the person. Cause you don’t know who knows. The guy may be a black belt, TaeKwonDo expert, find yourself, no I’ll call you don’t you don’t want to have that happen. And you hurt yourself. So just, you know, I think that eventually what’s going to happen is that it’ll be cultural. You know, people will say, if you, if you go to places in California right now, um, and you don’t have your mask on, you know, it because a friend of mine forgot, you know, he said, no, I just ran out. You know, I have permission to get in. I flew in, I forgot. I’ve got my mask, my car. And like within 10 steps, he realized, Oh, there’s something wrong here. Oh, it’s me. I don’t have my basketball because everyone was scowling at him. Everyone else had masked them. And they were like, you know, I had to get my [inaudible]. I think eventually that’s gonna happen and what’s going on. So the interesting question is how long has that I’m asking him to be required. Right. And we asked, we wait, so what we did and university of Michigan, cause they actually asked people, how long do you think it will do for you feeling safe with pulpit and everywhere around the world. With the exception of poor countries, we have 20,000 people everywhere, everywhere around the world. 90% of people thought it would be six months or less. We were all going to be safe all day. Right? Holy cow. I got to get out and talk more Well. So that was actually one of the interesting things, because I’ve been talking to like the whole, one of the things that they talk about and they actually do a really good job in that Netflix show that I was talking about, uh, talking about all the different vaccines, uh, that are, that are going through trials or that are in, you know, in, in production and all that kind of stuff that they’re testing. Um, and like the, like the one that shows the most promise I guess, is coming out of Oxford. Um, because they’re basing it off the SARS vaccine that they already almost had done. And this is a close relative. And then I guess there are two others that are trying to use like technology and production methods that have never been used or tested before, but say they can get done faster. But the weird thing is, is now, especially with like all, you know, everybody’s been talking herd immunity, herd immunity, herd immunity. And so with this possibly like shortened window on antibody lifespans, like, and they’re talking about, I believe like you want to get to at least 60 to 70% of the population to have herd immunity in order to start getting there. Okay. You start doing that math. We have what, 7.8 billion people in the world with a shortened immunity window. And there has never been, that was one of the points they right there is never, ever been been on antivirus or a vaccine that’s ever been produced in such mass quantities to basically try to saturate the entire earth 60 to 70% of the population at one time within about 30 days. Cause that was, that was their, you know, supposition was that in order to really do this right, to get to herd immunity, you’re going to have to hit 60 to 70% of the global population within about a 30 day window, which means so that, you know, 60 to 70% of 7.8 billion, you need four to 5 billion doses of this stuff. And that’s the water Dave, that’ll be fluoride. It’ll be, it’s all about the contrary cells. And they swap out the five G tower modules, right. Vaccines. So, so the Germans are always very direct, right? Uh, and I thought that the most concrete statement was by the CEO of the Pfizer partner. Who’s part of our work speed pro program. Uh, it’s called vom tech. And what the CEO said is we will have a vaccine in December, right? And the Germans are pretty. I mean they’re, and that’s what the Oxford folks are saying to you. You know, they, they leave their cranes run on time. They have a schedule. They, they produce, so chances are, they’re going to have a vaccine in December. He always said in the same sentence, but we won’t control this virus for at least 10 years. So if you talk to the album is about mass squaring. 90% of them say, it’s going to be at least the next few years everyone’s gonna be wearing that. Just tell them we only have eight year term limits. Trump will be out of the office by then and it’s okay, come on. Hey, Hey, Hey, he finally wore a mask. He broke down. This can, this can not be a political issue anymore. And it was probably the neoprene one. It doesn’t fly. I sort of liked his math. That’s what I like the president to see on the side. I thought, I thought, I thought it was whatever happening thing. I, but I, but you know, he can’t, he went to Walter Reed and he wore a mask and you know, good Brent, you know that those guys are, and you don’t compromise for you. No, that’s good to see. And I know, Hey, there could be a great business in Maga mass and, and uh, uh, Yeah. You know, they’re loading up the website with them right now. Yeah. Stupid not to call them the open season line. Right. I see it. So on the vaccine side, people are starting to go to the experts. I deal with it, the viral, all of us, I do. I’ve built a lot of drugs. I deal with all of these companies. There are four big companies that are involved. Um, the rest of them are quite small startups or they’re national companies like in China and so on. And they’re, they’re wrinkly, you’re bidding on five different buyer, a vaccine, the first set of vaccines, other vaccines that we have that. So that’s the worst we’d give vaccines are five of them in process. And one of them has board of a brand because of testing. So that’s, you know, and what we’ve done in that space is we’ve said, Hey, um, we want to have a guaranteed commuter million dollars. We want a guaranteed 300 million dose. You can do whatever you want with the rest of the doses, but we want our experts. So good negotiation on a heart. Right? We said, we want our experts a little bit selfish. We said, wait a minute. You know, you know what I mean, things that people are going to be eligible for the vaccine, they’re going to get it the United States or healthcare workers in Bangladesh to get it. But people are talking about billions of doses. Um, so 300, 300 million, we’ve negotiated that with AstraZeneca was godson and Johnson with Sanofi, uh, and Madonna, right? So those are the big, big, and then there was no normal vaccine goal for those who’ve been now, then that’s the U S plan. Uh, and you came to the same thing. You just bathing on the AstraZenica Oxford, uh, program. It’s now in phase two, three clinical trials. Um, and they, uh, also said, we’ll do this, but we want to have a hundred million doses. So they supported really doses for that awkward vaccine. You’re already off to the side. That’s, that’s, that’s a set. UK only has one bet that we have five. So, you know, plus four more beyond that, then we’ve got China. China has a whole bunch of that stew, and they’re actually a little bit ahead of us. They’re actually, they’re already injecting their military with a vaccine. Um, and so they’re, you know, they’re, they’re figuring out exactly what the response is in humans already. Uh, and so they may be out on the market a little bit ahead of us. I think it will be tight, but it could be, that could be actually ahead of us. It’ll be interesting to see what they do with that kind of extra power. Right. Are we trusting what China says these days? I’m just being funny. I hear you Recording numbers and all that stuff. It’s like, it’s, you know? Yeah. So, so we actually done a survey of that and it turns out that about 60% of, of people of their neighbors do not cross with kindness. So if you ask, you know, Taiwan, they sure as hell don’t Well, you know, They’re quite worried about that, but Thailand, both places about 6% of people saying, ah, you know, I’m not, I questioned about half of Americans question what they say and only 40% of Europeans. So it’s sort of interesting that there’s a, that they’re closer neighbors don’t trust me. Uh, I actually think that on a scientific basis, they’re being pretty honest. They, they were, they were slow because they sorta wanted to contain a politically, especially with the public UConn. But now, you know what, I deal with Chinese experts. They’re, they’re there. I think I’m getting the scrapes scoop on the science side of it, but they had some weeks of very important publication building happening in Monaco, Atlantic. They got some good people, a lot of them right here. Right. Um, and then, then the last bit that is a European bet. Europeans have put aside $31 billion of, they asked him to do $1 billion or whatever it can happen in, in, in, in Europe be produced indexing and what they’ve done instead of negotiating volume, they negotiated price. So they said, we’re going to give this money to you, but the price has to be $2 and 50 cents per vaccine dose. So it’s sort of, you know, there’s sort of an interesting different negotiating strategies. And so on going on, I think we probably will have partial vaccines in the next week months, 21 months, as I said before, I think that it’s likely the problem is going to, as you said, the calendars, um, so you mentioned one area, vaccine DNA and RNA that’s those we have never successfully scaled is that we don’t have one example of a vaccine in December. The reason that the DNA that scene is interesting, just because it requires a lot lower bills. Yep. So what would they, what happens is the DNA of vaccines and RNA vaccine DNA [inaudible] electrophoresis directly really large molecule dictate the electrify by the skin in order to get the vaccine. So it’s a little bit more complicated. You can imagine trying to get that all figured out, uh, around the world, RNA vaccine, sprayed injection, and usually two doses, or, you know, there’s booster steps required, but what happens is the RNA goes in and it does what it’s supposed to do, and it creates its own proteins. And the other instances is what happens is you actually have to create proteins by attenuated the virus or killing the virus. And then even re-injecting that, that dead or attenuated virus back into you are using another viral electorate approved viral poking that caused that, that actually requires a much higher dose blood rain. So when you hear about all these talks about, Oh, we’re going to have a billion doses prepared by X day, that’s a lie. Well, and that’s, and that’s part of what they were saying. Was that like, so the, like one of the big constraints with this is, okay, so now you have competing technologies, which means you’re not going to start building or gearing up or ramping up factories to manufacture these, these vaccines until you know, which one is good or which ones so that, so once that happens, or once you get close enough to that, then they’ll start building out the factories or retrofitting the factories or doing whatever. There’s going to be a time lag there with getting that done and getting that up to code and getting that up to spec before they can even start production mass production on it. So a lot of the extra investment we’ve done, wasn’t done, it’s actually say we will pay for all that manufacturing scale up. The problem that you got is when these guys are only in phase two trial, they don’t know the size of the dose. Yet we go with grading studies, right? That’s what phase two is. It’s kind to looking at safety, looking at dose ranging. So they have no idea what size of the doses are they gonna need, or are they gonna need booster shots? Well, how about helping you? The population’s going to be there to qualify for it. So they’re making a lot of guests with themselves and the trouble is, you know, you’re dealing either with a scientist at a company, and they’re saying one thing, and you’re talking about the business, represent this relations guys on the other side, trying to kind of codify like the politicians, if you will. Exactly what, you know, it’s all been released, but that’s, what’s happening a lot. Right. Hey, Fred. Um, so this is probably gonna be the most morbid question I’m ever going to ask in my life. Um, no, but, uh, at what point does it become, like the cases are going up, deaths are going down right. At what point? I don’t want to say, is it not news? Cause you’re never going to stop death. Right. It’s physically impossible. Is it when it becomes, I’m par with flu? When we know that we have a vaccine, I guess at what point? Um, you know, because right now they’re reporting, Hey, three cases discovered in whatever city and that’s news. So it’s like, well, yeah, like, let’s look at the big picture, I guess, at what point is this like, is it considered normalized? Is it if that, if that’s even a possibility, cause yeah. I mean, you know, your normal winter, you don’t hear about the numbers of people dying from the flu during a normal flu season. Yeah. Uh, I could say one more thing about the vaccine, um, is that number a couple more things about the vaccine that are kind of important to say first coronaviruses are very difficult to vaccinate against. They have a lot, they make a lot of protein. They can pool the vaccine. They they’re wild immune responses that are false immune responses that we’re going to have to deal with. Second big thing is you have to deal with people who are over six weeks over 60, our immune systems all have all shifted quite a bit. I’m one of those people, unfortunately. And so what happens are you over 60 years, your immune system’s out of slightly out of sync vaccines help get the, these have been back instinct problem is that when you’re over 60, you have an awful lot more adverse events, side effects. And if you’re also simultaneously compromised, we would have no bad, bad adverse events, the vaccine that makes it all the more difficult. So we probably have these partial vaccines, partial and partial, um, uh, partial, uh, therapies, all coming together to work together. The answer to your question is when we get, when we start to get a sufficient backstop that the, the, the people who control the news, largely the wealthier, uh, feel that they’re safe and can go return back to normalcy. That means flying around means know doing their work and life out without really a, a big shift in that and the way they, you know, like, like, like you still get the flu today. Uh, and sadly, you know, um, like 40,000 people, 30,030 to 40,000 people die of it this year, but it’s in control and we’ve got backstops for it. And people can take flu shots or not with any what they, what they want to do and taking their own basis of risk. But it’s not, um, something that changes your lifestyle. I think when the death rate is such that, and the chances of this significant longterm health effects are such that if you get the disease it’s going to affect you and, and societal leaders, I think it’ll still be in the news at that point when it stops protecting societal leaders when it stops. Um, even if it, it remains pretty high in most developed countries. And we have a backstop that most people have access to. And now the States, I think at that point, we’ll stop stuff, move, but that’s going to be probably, you know, we’ll get more and more in you and to do it right now. No pun intended. Yeah. I just think My take has been, if you run a ticking timer on the news about car deaths and run all day cycles and every accident gets on the news, then every gets on the news. Right. And accidents too. Like people are going to be F paranoid to get in their car. You know what I mean? So like, that’s why I’m trying to figure out what, what right. Is it, you know, nor is it considered, just normalized where, you know what I mean? Cause right now the, the fear thing is just as, I mean, just as scary as the, the actual disease, you know, the actual a virus. What I, what I found personally was once, you know, um, so what happened in the United States is sort of interesting, right? We went up a curve and then we flattened out and then we, we sort of, we felt like we took off again right in that flat period. And everything was sort of calming down. It looked like ours. We are, our key values were getting down to zero and down below one and look like people were opening up successfully. I don’t know if you’ve felt it, but I don’t know if there was a lot less discussion about that. Right. We heard a lot more about China and the trade agreements. We heard a lot more about, about, about different, about different news. That’s are sort of the, the, the noise level was, it was a lot of other stuff happening that they kind of drowned out. And I saw sort of the month of June, for me, was sort of quiet, you know, with like, with like opening, it was working with like, you know, what president Trump was saying was correct with like our economy is starting back, open up again. I feel like I’m back on track. What happened really? Unfortunately, if you look at the data, was it looked like the incredible cause it went up flat and up again. Now whenever you have a great upgrade again, if you do the math and you know, You’re talking about the curve for cases, right? Exactly. Who cares if you do the math and you took out the decrease that was occurring in New York and New Jersey, you know what the curve looked like instead of like this, it looked like that. Wow. That was the news that we missed. It never
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