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Send us a textIn this annual predictions spectacular, Amith Nagarajan and Mallory Mejias kick off 2026 by looking back at how well their 2025 AI forecasts held up (spoiler: pretty darn well) and then boldly lay out what's coming next for artificial intelligence, associations, and knowledge work. From real-world AI recruiting agents and voice-first interfaces to the rise of AI literacy as a job requirement, the shift from SEO to AEO, and the very real possibility of AI-native platforms disrupting traditional associations, this episode is packed with practical insight and big-picture thinking. Whether you're an association leader or just trying to stay ahead of the curve, this conversation is both a wake-up call and a roadmap for making 2026 the year you move from experimenting with AI to truly leading with it. 

In the final episode of 2025, Jason and Jeff empty the mailbag to answer listener questions about managing sudden wealth, tax strategies, and portfolio management. They debate the pros and cons of rebalancing versus letting your winners run (featuring a look at Jason's highly concentrated Roth IRA) and discuss how to handle a financial windfall like an inheritance. The hosts also break down the risks of complex conglomerates like Brookfield, analyze whether MTY Food Group is a value play or a value trap, and give their unfiltered take on whether recent political news finally makes Cannabis stocks investable.00:23 Listener Mailbag and Community Engagement03:09 First Listener Question: Balancing Financial Results and Industry Knowledge06:50 Using AI Tools for Investment Research08:27 Real-World Examples and Industry Research11:04 Brookfield Corporation: Legal Issues and Investment Risks14:50 MTY Foods: Cash Flow and Investment Potential22:28 Rebalancing Portfolios: Strategies and Considerations26:10 Risk Management in Asset Allocation26:54 Personal Investment Stories and Lessons28:21 Strategies for 401k, Roth, and Brokerage Accounts37:29 Handling Inheritance and Tax Implications45:26 Investing in Cannabis Stocks50:54 Conclusion and Viewer EngagementCompanies mentioned: AEO, AMZN, BN, CAVA, CMG, CRWD, CTRE, DRI, EAT, EPR, GOOGL, LOB, MCD, MELI, MO, MTY, NFLX, NUE, STLD, TAP, TSM, YUM*****************************************Join our PatreonSubscribe to our portfolio on Savvy Trader *****************************************Email: investingunscripted@gmail.comTwitter: @InvestingPodCheck out our YouTube channel for more content: ******************************************To get 15% off any paid plan at fiscal.ai, visit https://fiscal.ai/unscripted******************************************Listen to the Chit Chat Stocks Podcast for discussions on stocks, financial markets, super investors, and more. Follow the show on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or YouTube******************************************The Smattering Six2025 Portfolio Contest2024 Portfolio Contest2023 Portfolio Contest

Ready to adjust your messaging to earn new business and better business? In this special 'best of' edition, we're cutting through the noise to bring you your favorite, most impactful marketing and sales-themed episodes. No fluff, no fakery—just what's working right now for the thinkers in freight.You can binge this one over the holidays for ideas and inspiration to refine your strategy for the new year.In this episode, we revisit five key conversations:The Supply Chain is the Product: A solo episode on how to stop selling shipments and start selling your entire supply chain journey as a competitive advantage. Starts at 5:35-minute mark.TMSA Study Deep Dive: Grace Sharkey joins the show to unpack the surprising data from the Transportation Marketing & Sales Association on what's really happening in our industry—from budgets and sales quotas to the tools marketers are actually using. Starts at 36-minute mark.The Best Reddit Freight Sales Tips: We scoured the freight broker subreddit for years to find the most valuable, unconventional, and effective sales tactics that are getting people in the door. Starts at 1:47:24-minute mark.How Marketers Are Actually Using AI: Moving past the hype to discuss the smart AI tools that work when you put them into practice right now. Starts at 2:25:44-minute mark.A Modern Marketer's Guide to SEO: A masterclass on navigating SEO, AEO, and GEO in the age of AI, finding low-hanging fruit, and answering the question: "should you even be blogging anymore?" Starts at 2:56:15-minute mark.Whether you're looking for high-tech digital strategies or fundamental tactics that are making a comeback, this episode is packed with useful takeaways to fuel your 2025 planning. Watch the video versions of these episodes on YouTube: The Supply Chain Is the ProductTMSA Study Unveils Winning Freight Marketing StrategiesBest Reddit Freight Sales TipsHow Marketers Are Actually Using AI: New Data + Smart Tools That Work Logistics SEOFeedback? Ideas for a future episode? Shoot us a text here to let us know. -----------------------------------------THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS! SPI Logistics has been a Day 1 supporter of this podcast which is why we're proud to promote them in every episode. During that time, we've gotten to know the team and their agents to confidently say they are the best home for freight agents in North America for 40 years and counting. Listen to past episodes to hear why. CargoRex is the search engine for the logistics industry—connecting LSPs with the right tools, services, events, and creators to explore, discover, and evolve. Digital Dispatch manages and maximizes your #1 sales tool with a website that establishes trust and builds rock-solid relationships with your leads and customers.

Watch the Youtube video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOPuKSRFpLQ   If you're ready to boost your production and finally scale your real estate business with confidence, this breakdown of the LMCM system will show you exactly how top agents do it. In this video, we explain What Is LMCM and How It Explodes Your Real Estate Production by walking through the core foundations of the List More Close More System and why it's helping agents grow faster in today's market. The LMCM System Explained also shows how accountability, mentorship, and modern tools give you the support needed to scale your real estate business with clarity and confidence. Whether you're a new agent or a seasoned producer plateauing in your goals, this video reveals how LMCM helps you convert more leads, strengthen your brand, and stay front-and-center with your ideal clients. Drop your questions in the comments and check the link below for details on how to join the List More Close More System.

Jason Hackett (former McKinsey, marketing + customer experience expert) joins R. Kenner French for a fast, no-fluff conversation on how to grow a business by focusing less on the business owner and more on the customer. His #1 advice for solopreneurs and big companies: remove ego from the equation. Treat the customer as the real boss, and lead with what can be given—value first—before expecting anything in return.They connect this idea to Kenner's community at VastSolutionsGroup.com. Jason explains that a community's business upside should be treated as a dividend, not the main goal. The main goal must be consistent value delivery—useful information, real help, and a reason for members to keep showing up. The takeaway: stop trying to “extract” from the community and start building something people would gladly stay in because it genuinely helps them.When Kenner asks how to boost engagement (since the community is still new and quiet), Jason offers three practical plays: (1) create “tentpole” events that pull attention (big-name guests, even if not scalable), (2) run meaningful AMAs on high-interest topics (tax strategies, AI infrastructure, business-building questions), and (3) the most scalable option—let community members lead. Community is not one-to-many broadcasting; it's peer-to-peer. Bring members in to share, teach, and answer questions so the group becomes a real resource network.They also talk about marketing for real estate agents and why “property features” aren't the real message—real estate is an enabler, not the end goal. For commercial, agents should focus on the client's business outcomes and how real estate strategy can minimize costs and prevent the “biggest albatross” on the P&L from crushing a business. For residential, it's about lifestyle fit—helping families choose what supports real life goals, not just the biggest house or the flashiest location.The conversation shifts to SEO vs. AEO (Ask Engine Optimization). AEO is framed as the natural evolution as people move from search boxes to asking nuanced questions in ChatGPT/Claude/Perplexity. The warning: don't abandon SEO overnight—build the AEO muscle gradually, measure results, and scale it over time. The clean framework they land on is simple and memorable: Social media gets attention, community turns attention into intention, and live events convert intention into execution and retention.Takeaways•Take the 'I' out of the equation; focus on the customer.• Community engagement should be about adding value.• Real estate should be viewed as an enabling function.• Building connections within a community is vital.• Social media is essential for gaining attention.• Live events are crucial for converting interest into action.• Transparency in collaboration fosters trust among agents.• AEO is the future of digital marketing.• Business owners should allocate time to learn new marketing strategies.• Attention is the new currency in business.Sound Bites• Real estate is an enabling function.• The new currency is attention.• Social media gets your attention.Listen & Subscribe for More:

Want ChatGPT to start recommending you and your content? In this video, I break down exactly how I've optimized my brand, website, and content to drive thousands of visitors from AI tools like ChatGPT. Essentially, how to start with "AEO", which stands for "answer engine optimization." This is AI's version of SEO. You'll learn how to structure your messaging, create answer-oriented content across platforms, and build leadership that AI recognizes and recommends.LINKS MENTIONED: Free ChatGPT AEO Breakdown: https://stephaniekase.com/chatgptseoFree YouTube Class: http://stephaniekase.com/youtubeclassytYouTube for Business Course Sales Page: https://stephaniekase.com/youtubeforbusinessWATCH THIS ON YOUTUBE: https://youtu.be/jWBAgUwFtIoSHOWNOTES: https://wp.me/p5UFK9-6wh 

If you're not getting cited by ChatGPT, your “AI SEO” strategy isn't working, no matter what your dashboards say. Most of it is observability theater: dashboards, charts, synthetic prompts — and zero actual placement.In this episode, we chat with Shawn Schneider, founder of Eldil AI, about what actually determines whether your company shows up in ChatGPT answers. The short answer: LLMs don't reward more content, clever prompts, or prettier dashboards. They reward a small set of trusted third-party sources — and most brands aren't mentioned in any of them.Shawn breaks down why observability alone creates a false sense of progress, how to identify the specific citations that dominate your category, and how to turn that insight into real placements through outreach and negotiation. We also unpack why Google Search Console is still the best signal we have for AI-driven queries, how to prioritize the one citation that actually matters, and what the first 30–90 days can look like when you do this correctly.GuestShawn Schneider — founder of Eldil AI, a GEO / AI SEO platform focused on identifying and securing the citations LLMs rely on most; helps brands and agencies win visibility in ChatGPT by targeting the power-law sources that shape AI answers.Guest LinksLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shawn-schneider-61b2b5207/ Company Website: https://www.eldil.ai/What You'll LearnWhy most GEO / AI SEO observability tools are meaningless without actual placements The only thing that reliably improves AI search visibility: citation placementsHow to use Google Search Console to surface AI fan-out queriesWhy synthetic prompt data is still unreliable (and what to trust instead)The power law of citations: why only 1–3 sources actually matterHow Eldil turns citation discovery into outreach and negotiated placementsWhat 30–90 days can look like when you secure the right citationWhich industries should invest heavily — and which should ignore this for nowWhy ChatGPT dominates referral traffic compared to other LLMsWhat happens when ads arrive inside AI search resultsTimestamps00:00 — GEO, AI SEO, AEO: noise vs. reality00:21 — Why observability tools don't move the needle03:55 — Where GEO tools get their data (and why it's messy)07:16 — Using Google Search Console as a prompt proxy09:40 — The three pillars: technical, content, authority12:07 — Citations as the dominant ranking lever13:07 — The power law: thousands of citations, one winner19:07 — How fast results actually show up20:39 — When building your own citation content makes sense30:41 — Which business models win with GEO37:11 — ChatGPT ads and the future of AI search41:32 — Where to find Shawn and closing thoughts Key Topics & Ideas1. Why dashboards feel good but don't create outcomes.Most tools are essentially “Google Analytics for LLMs”ChatGPT referrals rise naturally as usage increasesCharts go up even if you do nothingWithout placements, observability is just vanity2. The three common approaches in the market today:Guessing prompts with LLMsClickstream data sourced from Chrome extensions and brokersSynthetic prompts without transparencyEldil uses Google Search Console + Analytics as the best available proxy for real intent.3. How to spot AI-generated fan-out queries:50+ character queriesHigh impressionsLow or zero clicksThese often represent LLMs expanding short prompts into long-form searches.4. The three pillars: Technical, Content, AuthorityTechnical — can an LLM crawl and understand your site?Content — does useful information exist?Authority — does anyone credible back it up?Authority is the multiplier most teams ignore.5. What actually shapes AI answers:Citations are not backlinks, they are semantic explanationsLLMs repeatedly return to the same trusted sourcesThird-party listicles and niche blogs dominate citation share6. The Power Law of Citations10k–15k citations may exist200–300 matter1–3 actually move the needleIf you're not in those, content volume won't save you.7. The real workflow:Identify high-value customer questionsExtract dominant citationsRank them by weightContact site ownersNegotiate placementMonitor AI visibility and referral trafficThis is where most tools stop — and where Eldil focuses.8. How many placements do you need?Surprisingly few.You don't need 100 placementsYou need the right oneThen expand into adjacent verticalsThis is concentrated betting, not spray-and-pray SEO.9. Why GEO feels different from traditional SEO:You are inserting into sources that already rankChanges can show up in weeks, not yearsMeaningful referral growth often appears within ~60–90 days10. Who Should (and Shouldn't) Do ThisBest fit:High-ACV B2B SaaSLong buying cyclesHigh-LTV e-commerce (supplements, skincare)ICPs that already live in ChatGPTIf your customers do not use LLMs yet, start elsewhere.11. Why ChatGPT is the main eventBased on Eldil's data:ChatGPT referrals dwarf Perplexity and othersFor most companies, this is where focus belongsSmaller channels still matter for high-ticket sales12. What's coming nextPaid placements inside LLMsOrganic plus paid becoming a one-two punchCitation inventory getting expensive fastThe window for cheap dominance will not last.SponsorToday's episode is brought to you by Graphed – an AI data analyst & BI platform.With Graphed you can:Connect data like GA4, Facebook Ads, HubSpot, Google Ads, Search Console, AmplitudeBuild interactive dashboards just by chatting (no Looker Studio/Tableau learning curve)Use it as your ETL + data warehouse + BI layer in one placeAsk:“Build me a stacked bar chart of new users vs. all users over time from GA4”…and Graphed just builds it for you.

In this episode, we sit down with Brandon Doyle for a conversation on how to stand out online in today's rapidly evolving digital landscape. We break down how to be found online using SEO and AEO, and why optimizing for both search engines and AI-driven answers is more important than ever. Brandon also shares insights on new and emerging AI products, how they're changing the way businesses operate, and practical ways to start using them right now. We dive into Sisu, what it is, and how to use it effectively to gain clarity, consistency, and momentum in your work. To round things out, we chat about the best smart home features, from everyday automations to tech upgrades that genuinely make life easier.   Must-Hear Moments: What is Sisu and how to use it What are Brandon's new favorite AI tools Learn more about robot snow blowers   Have suggestions for future guests or feedback Visit www.resultsdrivenfeedback.com.  

Si tus usuarios dejan de buscar en Google para preguntar directamente a la IA, ¿dónde queda tu estrategia de SEO? En este episodio analizamos cómo influir en las respuestas de los modelos generativos y jugamos a "¿Verdadero o Generativo?" para descifrar las nuevas reglas del posicionamiento: AEO, GEO, LLMO… Contamos con la entrevista especial de Mauricio Lázaro (Inconcert), que nos lleva a la "trinchera" de la implementación real de IA. Nos explica cómo equilibrar la creatividad de los modelos generativos con el determinismo que exigen los procesos empresariales críticos. También desmonta mitos sobre la automatización total, destacando que el éxito real está en la agilidad y en una escalabilidad técnica robusta, y cómo construir agentes escalables cuando la demanda se dispara. Con Adolfo Corujo y ELAI, junto al equipo de expertos de LLYC y la UNED: Miguel Lucas, Julio Gonzalo, Roberto Carreras y Patricia Charro. Incluye las secciones: ¿AI también? (Ángela Ortega) y Pioneros de la IA (Margorieth Tejeira).

Nick Musica was running a CBD publisher when Google's May 2019 algorithm update wiped his traffic overnight—dropping from page 1 to oblivion. With four weeks until he'd need to fire his entire team, he made a decision that would never make it into a Harvard Business Review case study: quit with zero contracts lined up and figure it out as he went.AEO vs SEO: The Numbers Don't LieWhen answer engines drive 1% of traffic and traditional search drives 16%, where should your budget actually go? Nick dismantles the AEO hype with real traffic data and marketing mix strategy.The "Zero Contracts" Launch StrategyHow quitting his job with literally no clients lined up led to 60 billable hours per week within two weeks. His entire business plan: "I'm going to make this work."When SEO Becomes Your Business Model (The Risk)Why affiliate sites and publishers live and die by algorithm updates, and how to build a more resilient business that uses SEO as a channel, not a crutch.AI Content's Fatal FlawThe "vanilla problem" with AI-generated content and why it's creating a race to mediocrity in search results. Spoiler: Google can detect patterns.From SEO Consultant to Executive CoachThe Harrison Assessment revelation that changed everything, and why most "SEO problems" are actually organizational dysfunction in disguise.Nick's Website: https://nickmusica.comWebsite: https://jayhunt.socialAmplify Your Brand Community: https://www.skool.com/aybInstagram: @jayhuntofficialLinkedIn: /socialmediaspeakerTikTok: @jayhuntofficial

Would you like access to our advanced agency training for FREE? https://www.agencymastery360.com/training As a user, do you still use search engines or have completely defaulted to AI? How will this shift reshape the agency world? How will ads work when people are only getting the one answer they need? Most agency owners are still treating SEO like it's 2012 — optimizing keywords, buying backlinks, and praying to the Google gods. But search has already changed. People are asking AI for answers, not Googling for links. And if you want your agency or your personal brand to stay visible in this new era, the rules are completely different. Today's featured guest will unpack the shift from SEO to AEO and why most businesses are invisible to AI without even realizing it. Kasim Aslam is one of the world's leading voices on Answer Engine Optimization. He runs one of the largest AEO communities and leads a six person research team that has analyzed millions of AI citations to understand how large language models choose their sources. He is also the author of The AEO Blueprint and the founder of multiple companies, including a staffing agency, a mastermind, and AEO.co. Kasim has spent the past year deep in the trenches studying how AI crawlers gather, filter, and prioritize information. When it comes to AEO, nobody has more real data. In this episode, we'll discuss: SEO is over. Understanding AEO. Why brands may get lost in LLMs. The quiet Google change that just changed everything in AI citations. The future of ads. Subscribe Apple | Spotify | iHeart Radio Sponsors and Resources E2M Solutions: Today's episode of the Smart Agency Masterclass is sponsored by E2M Solutions, a web design, and development agency that has provided white-label services for the past 10 years to agencies all over the world. Check out e2msolutions.com/smartagency and get 10% off for the first three months of service. Why SEO Is No Longer Enough: The Rise of Answer Engine Optimization (AEO) To understand Answer Engine Optimization, we must first understand that, despite what some agencies may be saying, it is not the same as SEO. Traditional search engines prioritize links. That is why entire industries exist around buying them. In the world of LLMs, backlinks barely matter. The number one ranking factor for AI citations is schema markup. And only 12.4% of websites have clean, validated schema. In other words, nearly 90% of brands are invisible to AI crawlers, regardless of how strong their SEO is. Schema isn't just another optimization tactic. It is the visibility layer. It is the metadata that helps LLMs understand and categorize your content. If your schema is broken or missing, AI cannot reference you even if your content is excellent. This is the equivalent of having a beautiful storefront on a street no one can find. The second key is social mentions. In the same way SEO relied on links, AEO relies on people talking about you. For instance, a TikTok comment from someone in the agency industry saying Jason Swenk is their go-to agency guy counts as an authority signal. LLMs weigh these human mentions heavily. Finally, a lot of the nuances on AEO are changing every day, but Kasim has learned that the real key is building authority, long-form content. That along with clear schema and personal brand is the future of staying in the conversation. Why Personal Authority Beats Brand Authority in AI Search One of the biggest shifts Kasim highlights is that answer engines prefer individuals. A person can write a book, earn a PhD, share opinions, create content, develop mastery, and build authority in a way brands cannot. That means generalists are in trouble. If your expertise is scattered, AI won't know how to classify you and won't choose you as an authoritative answer. Meanwhile, someone who goes deep in a single topic becomes the preferred answer. It is a shift away from corporate brand authority and toward personal authority. Authority is not spread across a company anymore. It sits with people. Agencies that hide behind a brand name will lose visibility. Personal brands that plant a flag will win. For agency owners, this is huge. You do not need a bigger brand. You need clear expertise tied to a real person. This is exactly why Jason positions all the Agency Mastery content around him. Personalities thrive. Brands get lost. Where LLMs Get Their Data (and Why That Just Changed Overnight) Kasim's research revealed that 21 percent of all AI citations once came from Reddit. YouTube followed at 18.8 percent. These platforms had deep context and raw human conversation, which LLMs love. Then Google quietly changed everything. Twenty two days before the interview, Google cut off 90% of the internet from AI crawlers by reducing search results from hundreds to ten. Because LLMs rely on deep search results (not the top ten), reducing the searchable depth limits the information AI can access - removing platforms like Reddit from the AI training pipeline. AI tools rely heavily on these deeper results for nuance. By limiting access, Google essentially removed Reddit and other community based sites from the AI food chain. This change sent shockwaves through stock prices and visibility, and most people never noticed. Google is protecting the content needed to train AI because only two organizations truly own the global knowledge graph: Google and Amazon. OpenAI and the rest are crawling, not casing, the internet, which means they operate at a major disadvantage. Google is playing statecraft. And according to Kasim, Google will win the AI race. The Rise of Screenless Search and Voice-Driven Results According to Kasim, we are quickly moving toward a screenless world. Eric Schmidt has said the screenless future is years away, not decades. And the younger generation is already there. Over 55 percent of people under 25 use voice instead of text. Voice queries require different markup, structure, and formatting, and only 0.3 percent of websites use voice schema. Meanwhile, 65 percent of all searches end in zero clicks. People are asking, getting an answer, and moving on. That number does not even include the people who have stopped using search altogether and have already shifted to answer engines. This means your future website is not for your audience. It is for AI. Kasim is rebuilding his personal site in Notion because he believes CSS-light, simple, stripped down sites will perform better for AI ingestion. We are entering a world where content is created for machines first and humans last. How Google Gemini Is Rewriting the Future of Advertising Here is a wild data point. When Kasim set up new Chromebooks for his kids, he discovered the default search engine was not Google. It was Gemini. Google owns Chrome. Google owns Chromebooks. Yet they replaced its primary revenue driver on its own device with a product that currently has no ads. This tells you where the company is headed. They are rebuilding a new knowledge graph optimized for answer engines, while competitors still reply on the old search-oriented graph. And the future ad model will be nothing like what agencies grew up on. If one answer becomes the default experience, where do ads go? How are they shown? What are users willing to tolerate? And will businesses have to give away deep content to earn visibility the same way early YouTubers and bloggers did? These questions will reshape the entire lead generation ecosystem. Data, Moats, and the K-Shaped Economy The people who win in this new world are those who own data. Not tool access or workflows. Data. Custom GPTs, custom models, and proprietary knowledge bases become your moat. We are entering a K-shaped economy. Twenty percent of people and businesses will become unstoppable because their productivity will outpace demand. Eighty percent will fall to zero. The middle disappears. That means agency owners must adapt, evolve, and lean into deep expertise. Vibe coding (the rapid, exploratory use of AI tools) and no code platforms are accelerating this divide. Kasim's team recreated a software that normally costs ten thousand a year in a weekend. Entire SaaS categories are about to be wiped out. Do You Want to Transform Your Agency from a Liability to an Asset? Looking to dig deeper into your agency's potential? Check out our Agency Blueprint. Designed for agency owners like you, our Agency Blueprint helps you uncover growth opportunities, tackle obstacles, and craft a customized blueprint for your agency's success.

In the latest episode of the Whole Whale Podcast, hosts George and Nick reflect on the transformative themes that shaped the nonprofit sector in 2025. With a focus on AI's impact, they explore how answer engine optimization (AEO) has redefined nonprofit discovery and engagement. AI's rapid adoption has led to decreased organic traffic for nonprofits, necessitating strategic pivots in content and donor engagement. George highlights a significant increase in AI-generated content, with Whole Whale producing nearly a million words daily. This shift underscores the need for nonprofits to establish internal AI policies and balance AI use with human oversight to maintain ethical standards and foster innovation. Nick introduces the "crawl, walk, run" framework, guiding nonprofits in adopting AI responsibly. He emphasizes the importance of maintaining human expertise and authority in an AI-saturated world, urging organizations to focus on quality over quantity in content creation. The episode also revisits key rants from 2025, including Microsoft's controversial changes to its nonprofit grant program and GoFundMe's unauthorized creation of shadow donation pages for nonprofits. These challenges highlight the importance of maintaining autonomy and control over nonprofit branding and fundraising. Looking ahead to 2026, George and Nick advise nonprofits to prioritize strategic use of AI, leveraging high-quality intelligence tokens to amplify impact while avoiding the pitfalls of AI-generated "slop." They stress the importance of creating original, authoritative content that reflects an organization's mission and expertise. As they close the episode, George and Nick express optimism for 2026, anticipating renewed energy and opportunities for nonprofits amidst upcoming midterms and sector transformations.

In the latest episode of the Whole Whale Podcast, hosts George and Nick reflect on the transformative themes that shaped the nonprofit sector in 2025. With a focus on AI's impact, they explore how answer engine optimization (AEO) has redefined nonprofit discovery and engagement. AI's rapid adoption has led to decreased organic traffic for nonprofits, necessitating strategic pivots in content and donor engagement. George highlights a significant increase in AI-generated content, with Whole Whale producing nearly a million words daily. This shift underscores the need for nonprofits to establish internal AI policies and balance AI use with human oversight to maintain ethical standards and foster innovation. Nick introduces the "crawl, walk, run" framework, guiding nonprofits in adopting AI responsibly. He emphasizes the importance of maintaining human expertise and authority in an AI-saturated world, urging organizations to focus on quality over quantity in content creation. The episode also revisits key rants from 2025, including Microsoft's controversial changes to its nonprofit grant program and GoFundMe's unauthorized creation of shadow donation pages for nonprofits. These challenges highlight the importance of maintaining autonomy and control over nonprofit branding and fundraising. Looking ahead to 2026, George and Nick advise nonprofits to prioritize strategic use of AI, leveraging high-quality intelligence tokens to amplify impact while avoiding the pitfalls of AI-generated "slop." They stress the importance of creating original, authoritative content that reflects an organization's mission and expertise. As they close the episode, George and Nick express optimism for 2026, anticipating renewed energy and opportunities for nonprofits amidst upcoming midterms and sector transformations.

12 月 3 日，蓝箭航天自主研制的朱雀三号可重复使用运载火箭迎来首飞：二级成功进入预定轨道，一级回收在最后阶段遗憾失利，但整体飞行已是中国商业航天在「回收复用」道路上的一次关键跨越。朱雀三号从设计之初就对标 SpaceX 的猎鹰 9 号，采用相似的两级构型，并且首飞即挑战回收，同时在推进剂和材料上选择了液氧甲烷与不锈钢这条更偏向高频复用的技术路线。 本期节目我们邀请到 蓝箭航天朱雀三号总体副总师董锴，从一线工程师视角，系统拆解这次首飞任务的真实得失，另外我们也深入讨论了为什么中国的可回收火箭普遍走向“猎鹰 9 构型”，朱雀三号此次回收究竟难在何处，以及可重复使用火箭对中国商业航天未来意味着什么。 本期人物 董锴 蓝箭航天朱雀三号可复用火箭型号副总师 Yaxian，「科技早知道」主播 主要话题 [02:37] 朱雀三号是一型什么样的火箭？ - 中大型两级液体火箭，液氧甲烷推进剂 - 从立项之初就以“可重复使用”为第一目标 - 「青春版」vs. 「完全体」，两者差在哪？ [05:13] 朱雀三号是「国产猎鹰 9」吗？ - 国内多数可回收火箭选择了与猎鹰 9 相似的工程构型 - 这是基于工程验证后的“合理性选择”，而非简单模仿 - 猎鹰 9 是目前唯一经过长期运营验证的可复用火箭标杆 [10:24] 这次首飞在工程上是如何打分的？ - 入轨和回收是两套独立评定标准，并非单选题 - 回收标准非常直接：是否稳定立住并保持一分钟 [19:33] 为什么选择液氧甲烷 + 不锈钢这条路线？ - 工程上不存在“先进或落后”，只有是否服务于目标 - 关键考量是降低维护需求、提高复用频率 - 相比物料成本，工程师更在意时间成本 [38:33] 一级回收全过程是如何设计的？难点在哪？ - 分离后依次经历 80km 减速点火、气动控制、4km 着陆点火 - 栅格舵与边条翼用于气动段姿态与攻角控制 - 着陆阶段采用五台发动机序列点火，为首飞保留冗余 [52:26] 商业化与下一步：朱雀三号接下来怎么走？ - 可复用火箭的核心价值在于放大单位时间投放能力 - 遥二飞行预计在明年，目标是完成回收 - 更长远方向是更高频次发射与更大级别的全复用火箭 往期节目 从筚路蓝缕到做大做强，从「星舰」进化史看中国商业航天的发展与未来 (https://www.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/episode/67111cacd9a875d5a9827c46) AEO 闭门会 在上一期节目中，我们收到了很多关于 AEO（Answer Engine Optimization） 的评论和反馈。 1 月 11 日， CES 结束之后我们将在硅谷组织一场小规模闭门交流，邀请在这个领域有较早探索的公司和产品以及AI平台与搜索引擎相关嘉宾一起来讨论： • AEO 在 AI 产品出海中的最新实践 • ChatGPT、Perplexity 等 AI 搜索入口的变化 • Reddit 等技术社区在 AEO 中的角色 • 当前阶段哪些方法有效，哪些值得谨慎对待 这将是一场以交流和讨论为主的闭门会，如果你有兴趣参与，请通过下方链接填写报名表。 我们将根据报名情况 定向发出邀请。

Hanelore Dumitrache explains Answer Engine Optimization (AEO) and what bloggers must change now to stay visible in an AI driven search world. Hanelore is a food blogger, AI strategist, and founder of the tech startup Whimzi AI. She helps creators and businesses future-proof their work through innovative, human-centered AI solutions. Hanelore is also the creator of AEO Audits, a pioneering framework that teaches bloggers how to stay visible in AI-driven search. Her mission is to make AI approachable, practical, and genuinely exciting for everyone. Search has transformed and AI engines no longer rely on rigid keyword matching. Instead, they understand intent, context and entities in a way traditional SEO cannot cover alone. Hanelore breaks down AEO, the new optimization approach that helps search engines correctly interpret your content and surface it inside AI answers. She explains why bloggers are losing traffic, what AEO does differently, and the exact shifts you can begin making today to prepare your blog for the future of search. Key points discussed include: Search is now semantic and AI engines match meaning and intent, not keyword density. AEO complements SEO because you still need technical foundations, but now you must add clarity and entity based structure. Authority matters more than ever so your author profile, expertise and topical focus must be consistent across the web. Topic clusters build credibility and prevent AI from seeing your blog as scattered or unfocused. Clear structure fuels visibility because AI engines need concise definitions, strong headings and anchored explanations. FAQ blocks strengthen retrieval and short, direct answers boost your chances of being cited. Internal linking reinforces meaning and helps AI connect your content into a coherent knowledge graph. Early adopters win because AI models learn historically, rewarding blogs that begin optimizing now. Connect with Hanelore Dumitrache Website | Instagram

Who Owns Your Digital Empire? Protect & Value Your Invisible Assets Before You Sell Your BusinessWelcome to ValuationPodcast.com—your go-to resource for navigating the world of business growth and valuation. I'm Melissa Gragg, a financial mediator and business valuation expert in St. Louis, Missouri.In this episode, I sit down with Paige Wiest, CEO of Tree Ring Digital, to uncover one of the biggest blind spots business owners face today—digital asset ownership, continuity, and valuation.If you think “I know where my website is,” or “my marketing team handles that,” this conversation will open your eyes. Paige breaks down the hidden digital assets that can make or break your valuation, delay due diligence, trigger legal conflicts, or even destroy a deal entirely.We talk about:✔️ What digital assets actually are (it's far more than a website)✔️ Why owners lose control of their online presence without realizing it✔️ How digital chaos affects valuation, due diligence & post-transaction headaches✔️ Business continuity, digital continuity & avoiding operational breakdowns✔️ The rising importance of AEO (AI Engine Optimization)✔️ How small oversights—like a past employee's phone number—can cost you thousands⭐ 5 Key Takeaways1. Most business owners do NOT own or control all their digital assets. Logins, domains, hosting, ad accounts, social profiles, CRMs, and tools are often scattered, vendor-owned, or tied to former employees.2. Due diligence can break down without digital asset clarity. Buyers lose confidence when ownership is unclear—leading to retrades, lower valuations, or stalled deals.3. Digital continuity is as critical as operational continuity. If a vendor disappears or an employee leaves, businesses can lose access to websites, analytics, systems, or customer funnels.4. AI-driven search (AEO) will not replace SEO—but requires a clean, authoritative digital foundation. Without SEO fundamentals and trustworthy structured data, AEO strategies fall flat.5. Digital asset audits need to happen BEFORE going to market. Fixing gaps can take months (or legal battles), so owners should inventory and secure everything early.If you're preparing for a sale, planning expansion, or simply want to protect what you've built, this episode gives you the blueprint to regain control of your digital empire.Learn More & Download Paige's Digital Asset Protection Checklist:treeringdigital.com/valuationPaige Wiese (W-ee-s) is the founder and CEO of Tree Ring Digital, a top-ranked Denver-based marketing agency that develops high performance websites and digital marketing strategies for businesses nationwide. With 16 years of industry experience, Paige has seen companies and CEOs struggle to manage and maintain their assets through growth or transition. She hasrecently developed a proprietary digital asset management service to track and protect companies' over 200 data points. Paige is a dedicated speaker and mentor on the topics of brand protection and business growth.https://www.linkedin.com/in/paigewiese/https://www.treeringdigital.com/Connect with Melissa:Melissa Gragg  Expert testimony for financial and valuation issues  Bridge Valuation Partners, LLC  melissa@bridgevaluation.com  http://www.BridgeValuation.com  Cell: (314) 541-8163Support the show

Get our 10 AI prompts to dominate SEO & AEO: https://clickhubspot.com/mbc Is SEO more relevant than we thought? Ep. 385 Kipp, Kieran, and Ethan Smith, CEO of Graphite, dive into the data behind the real state of SEO, debunking the myths that SEO is dead and uncovering what's really changing with the rise of answer engine optimization. Learn more on whether LLMs are really overtaking search, how marketers should invest between SEO and AEO, and the most repeatable tactics to rank #1 on Google and show up in AI-generated answers. Mentions Ethan Smith https://www.linkedin.com/in/ethanls Graphite https://graphite.io/ Ahrefs https://ahrefs.com/ ChatGPT https://chatgpt.com/ Grok https://grok.com/ Claude https://claude.ai/ Perplexity https://www.perplexity.ai/ Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt We're creating our next round of content and want to ensure it tackles the challenges you're facing at work or in your business. To understand your biggest challenges we've put together a survey and we'd love to hear from you! https://bit.ly/matg-research Resource [Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip We're on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed YouTube: ​​https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg  Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod  Join our community https://landing.connect.com/matg Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain! Don't forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934   If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends. We really appreciate your support. Host Links: Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar   Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat  ‘Marketing Against The Grain' is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

If 2025 taught us anything, it's this: your clients aren't Googling you anymore. They're asking AI about you. And if the machine can't find you, you don't exist. That's why this replay is back, because it became the episode everyone kept messaging me about. In this conversation, we break down the real shift happening right now: search engines are turning into answer engines. And if you don't optimize for that shift, AI will skip you the same way people skip ads. Inside this episode, you'll learn how AEO (Answer Engine Optimization) works and how service providers can use it to get discovered, recommended, and chosen — even if you don't have a tech team, even if SEO always felt like a chore, and even if the internet feels louder than ever. What you'll hear in this episode: ★ Why Google-first SEO is no longer enough, and what actually drives discovery now. ★ How ChatGPT, Perplexity, Claude, and Siri pull your information (or fail to). ★ The one mistake that makes service businesses invisible to AI. ★ How to make your brand consistent and repeatable across every platform, the foundation of AEO. ★ Why your Instagram posts now show up on Google and what that means for your content. ★ How to use schema, hidden questions, and metadata to help AI understand your expertise. ★ How to reshape your website, bios, descriptions, and podcast notes so AI recognizes you as the answer. ★ Simple daily actions to train AI tools to find you, summarize you, and recommend you. This is not about hacks. This is about staying discoverable in a world that now gives one answer instead of ten pages of search results.

Your brand isn't losing to competitors, it's getting ghosted by the algorithm. As AI eats search, the “spray and pray” content playbook turns invisible. Are you training the models…or training your team to burn cash?This week, Jenna Hannon, Founder & CEO of Hatter, drops a State of the Union that B2B marketers need to hear: SEO isn't dead, AEO (AI Engine Optimization) is here and lazy tactics are DOA. We unpack why LLMs reward actual marketing (crisp messaging, specific content, real PR) and punish AI-slop; how to merge SEO, AEO, and content into one motion instead of siloed teams; and why product marketing is the new growth core powering every channel.We also get into:SEO → AEO: Same inputs, new outputs and the extra layers that matter now.Quality > quantity: Why “programmatic, no-human” content craters (and how Google/LLMs sniff it out).Metrics that matter: Beyond traffic to AI visibility, context, and link-back citations that convert.Org design for 2026: Product marketing as the engine; experts in the loop; PR that teaches LLMs.

The ground beneath the digital marketing industry is shifting. For decades, the mantra was simple: optimize for traffic, measure clicks, and track conversions. But with the rise of Generative AI, Large Language Models (LLMs), and Answer Engines, that rulebook is obsolete. In this powerful episode, I sit down with Joe Doveton to discuss the urgent reality facing every brand that relies on web traffic.We dive into the phenomenon Joe calls the "Crocodile Mouth", the unsettling visual trend where brands maintain high search impressions but see clicks vanish, a direct result of zero-click searches. With the proliferation of platforms like TikTok, Reddit, and various generative engines, we discuss why the Google monopoly on the customer journey is over, and how users can now move from the awareness stage to purchasing a product without ever visiting a Google property. This episode is a wake-up call for marketers still clinging to outdated KPIs.Joe introduces the new alphabet soup of optimization, GEO (Generative Engine Optimization), AEO (Answer Engine Optimization), and LLMO (Large Language Model Optimization). Crucially, we explore what this means for your analytics. If traffic and conversion rate are "lousy metrics", what should you measure? Joe reveals emerging metrics like Visibility within LLMs and competitive positioning. Most importantly, we agree that this "Wild West" era is finally killing all the outdated SEO hacks, forcing brands back to the core long-term strategy: writing useful content and focusing on the customer experience.About the GuestJoe Doveton is an experienced digital strategist, consultant, and speaker focused on the intersection of AI, search, and customer experience. With a background that includes working in advertising and a deep understanding of Conversion Rate Optimization (CRO), Joe is now pioneering tools and strategies for the Generative Engine Optimization (GEO) space. He is the founder of GEO Jet Pack, a platform designed to extract and visualize entities from content to help brands gain visibility in LLM responses - a critical new metric for the AI era.What You'll LearnThe difference between traditional SEO and the new acronyms: GEO, AEO, and LLMO.What the "Crocodile Mouth" is and why it confirms the end of the reliance on clicks.Why the old marketing KPIs, specifically web traffic and conversion rate—are now "lousy metrics" for measuring success.The new metrics emerging for the middle of the funnel, such as Visibility within LLMs and competitive position within prompt responses.Why the entire AI shift proves that long-term SEO success is still about being useful, interesting, and trustworthy (EEAT).Why the current AI era is killing all the old SEO hacks and discouraging tactics like content farming.How brands like Google are undermining their own profitable ad business by integrating AI Overviews.The vision of the Semantic Web and why the current structure of websites is inherently ill-suited for machine consumption.Guest Contact:Joe Doveton's websiteJoe Doveton on LinkedIn---If you enjoyed the episode, please share it with a friend!

AI is evolving fast — and the restoration industry is feeling the impact. In this episode, David Grove, from BYLT Restoration, joins Michelle to break down the most practical, business-ready AI tools restorers should be using right now.They dive into the latest updates from ChatGPT, OpenAI's Sora 2, and Google Gemini, plus the real-world workflows these tools can automate. From email scheduling and dictation to contract drafting, custom GPTs, project management, and company-trained models, this episode shows how AI can streamline your ops without the hype.They also unpack the risks of the AI bubble, the role of AEO and SEO in discoverability, and why training AI on your own company data is now essential.

AI is evolving fast — and the restoration industry is feeling the impact. In this episode, David Grove, from BYLT Restoration, joins Michelle to break down the most practical, business-ready AI tools restorers should be using right now.They dive into the latest updates from ChatGPT, OpenAI's Sora 2, and Google Gemini, plus the real-world workflows these tools can automate. From email scheduling and dictation to contract drafting, custom GPTs, project management, and company-trained models, this episode shows how AI can streamline your ops without the hype.They also unpack the risks of the AI bubble, the role of AEO and SEO in discoverability, and why training AI on your own company data is now essential.

In this season-finale episode of The Burleson Box, Dustin Burleson is joined by longtime collaborator and digital marketing pioneer Jimmy Nicholas for a wide-ranging conversation on how artificial intelligence is actively reshaping dentistry and orthodontics.Their story goes back more than a decade to the Dan Kennedy GKIC days, a marketer-of-the-year competition, and the early experiments that turned Google into one of Dustin's top sources of new patients. Now, after selling his agency and sitting out a non-compete, Jimmy returns with a new focus on AI, compliance, automation, and what he calls “simple alignment” across marketing, operations, and team communication.This conversation moves well past surface-level AI hype. Dustin and Jimmy unpack what is actually working right now inside real practices, what most doctors still misunderstand, and where real opportunity exists heading into 2026.You will hear why Answer Engine Optimization, or AEO, may soon matter more than traditional SEO, how AI is changing follow-up systems, phone automation, and patient communication, and why most medical and dental websites are still invisible to large language models. They also discuss the risks that come with careless AI use, including HIPAA violations, hallucinated data, and unreliable financial calculations.This episode is essential listening for any practice owner who wants to stay competitive, protect their team's time, and apply AI with discipline rather than guesswork.Resources Mentioned:AI Beta Group (Free Community)Wealthy Entrepreneur Strategy Consultations ***The Burleson Box is brought to you by OrthoFi:Grow More. Worry Less. Simplify Your Practice with OrthoFi.Did you know that practices using OrthoFi start more patients and reduce financial barriers without adding complexity to their operations? With OrthoFi, you can simplify the insurance and patient financial process, streamline collections, and free up your team to focus on patient care. OrthoFi combines smart technology with patient-friendly payment solutions to help you start more treatment, improve cash flow, and deliver a better overall experience. Patients love the flexibility. Practices love the results.Take advantage of a platform built specifically for orthodontists and dental specialists—helping you manage everything from eligibility verification to automated payment processing in one easy-to-use system. Grow your starts. Increase your efficiency. And reduce the headaches of insurance and collections with OrthoFi.Want to learn more? Schedule a demo today and see how OrthoFi can help your practice thrive.Click below to learn more:OrthoFi.com*** Go Premium: Members get early access, ad-free episodes, hand-edited transcripts, exclusive study guides, special edition books each quarter, powerpoint and keynote presentations and two tickets to Dustin Burleson's Annual Leadership Retreat.http://www.theburlesonbox.com/sign-up Stay Up to Date: Sign up for The Burleson Report, our weekly newsletter that is delivered each Sunday with timeless insight for life and private practice. Sign up here:http://www.theburlesonreport.com Follow Dustin Burleson, DDS, MBA at:http://www.burlesonseminars.com Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode of The Ross Simmonds Show, Ross dives deep into one of the most fundamental marketing shifts of our time — the emergence of Generative Engine Optimization (GEO). As AI-powered discovery tools like ChatGPT, Perplexity, Google AI Overviews, Reddit Answers, TikTok Search, and more evolve, traditional SEO strategies are no longer enough. Ross unpacks how marketers need to rethink content creation, distribution, and visibility across platforms, focusing not just on ranking, but on being cited, trusted, and remembered. Whether you're an SEO pro, a content marketer, or someone navigating the changing digital landscape, this episode offers a powerful perspective on where discovery is heading and how you can position your brand for success. Key Takeaways and Insights: 1. The Shift from Traditional SEO to GEO - The discovery journey is changing — not all search begins (or ends) on Google. - GEO (Generative Engine Optimization) is not just about keywords and backlinks, but about engaging with AI-powered platforms like ChatGPT, Claude, Perplexity, You.com, Reddit, TikTok, YouTube, and more. - Terminology wars (AISEO, AEO, GEO) are less important than understanding the strategic implications of the shift. 2. Where AI Discovery is Happening - AI overviews and LLMs (large language models) pull data from varied sources, not just webpages — Reddit, YouTube, TikTok, and UGC are key. - Clicking is becoming less important as AI agents deliver answers before users even leave the platform. 3. YouTube's Role in GEO - YouTube isn't just social media — it's the second-biggest search engine and a major citation source for LLMs. - Talking head videos, product comparisons, and keyword-aligned titles matter more than ever. - A poor YouTube strategy (short, shallow clips) means your audience never finds you. 4. Listicles, PR, and Affiliate Strategy in the AI Age - AI often weighs citations based on list ranking — being #8 consistently limits visibility. - Your affiliate and digital PR strategies must now consider how high you appear on listicles that AI sources from. - Move beyond backlinks to placements, citations, and brand mentions across high-impact domains. 5. Tailoring Content for Audience-Specific Queries - LLMs recognize nuances: “best for beginners” vs. “best for enterprise” matters. - Brands should create multiple landing pages tailored to different personas (as long as it's high quality and not duplicated). 6. The Difference Between SEO and GEO - GEO includes SEO, but it's broader — it encompasses TikTok search, Instagram Reels, Reddit, and any platform with discovery. - GEO is about visibility in AI-powered interfaces, not just search rankings. 7. The Predictive Future of Discovery - Personalized AI results are here: Google's AI Overviews may use Gmail, Calendar, Chrome history to shape responses. - The future consumer journey might completely bypass websites and search engines. Resources & Tools:

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In this episode of In-Ear Insights, the Trust Insights podcast, Katie and Chris discuss the present and future of intellectual property in the age of AI. You will understand why the content AI generates is legally unprotectable, preventing potential business losses. You will discover who is truly liable for copyright infringement when you publish AI-assisted content, shifting your risk management strategy. You will learn precise actions and methods you must implement to protect your valuable frameworks and creations from theft. You will gain crucial insight into performing necessary due diligence steps to avoid costly lawsuits before publishing any AI-derived work. Watch now to safeguard your brand and stay ahead of evolving legal risks! Watch the video here: Can’t see anything? Watch it on YouTube here. Listen to the audio here: https://traffic.libsyn.com/inearinsights/tipodcast-ai-future-intellectual-property.mp3 Download the MP3 audio here. Need help with your company’s data and analytics? Let us know! Join our free Slack group for marketers interested in analytics! [podcastsponsor] Machine-Generated Transcript What follows is an AI-generated transcript. The transcript may contain errors and is not a substitute for listening to the episode. Christopher S. Penn: In this week’s In Ear Insights, let’s talk about the present and future of intellectual property in the age of AI. Now, before we get started with this week’s episode, we have to put up the obligatory disclaimer: we are not lawyers. This is not legal advice. Please consult with a qualified legal expert practitioner for advice specific to your situation in your jurisdiction. And you will see this banner frequently because though we are knowledgeable about data and AI, we are not lawyers. We can, if you’d like, join our Slack group at Trust Insights, AI Analytics for Marketers, and we can recommend some people who are lawyers and can provide advice depending on your jurisdiction. So, Katie, this is a topic that you came across very recently. What’s the gist of it? Katie Robbert: So the backstory is I was sitting on a panel with an internal team and one of the audience members. We were talking about generative AI as a whole and what it means for the industry, where we are now, so on, so forth. And someone asked the question of intellectual property. Specifically, how has intellectual property management changed due to AI? And I thought that was a great question because I think that first and foremost, intellectual property is something that perhaps isn’t well understood in terms of how it works. And then I think that there’s we were talking about the notion of AI slop, but how do you get there? Aeo, geo, all your favorite terms. But basically the question is around: if we really break it down, how do I protect the things that I’m creating, but also let people know that it’s available? And that’s. I know this is going to come as a shocker. New tech doesn’t solve old problems, it just highlights it. So if you’re not protecting your assets, if you’re not filing for your copyrights and your trademarks and making sure that what is actually contained within your ecosystem of intellectual property, then you have no leg to stand on. And so just putting it out there in the world doesn’t mean that you own it. There are more regulated systems. They cost money. Again, as Chris mentioned, we’re not lawyers. This is not legal advice. Consult a qualified expert. My advice as a quasi creator is to consult with a legal team to ask them the questions of—let’s say, for example—I really want people to know what the 5P framework is. And the answer, I really do want that, but I don’t want to get ripped off. I don’t want people to create derivatives of it. I don’t want people to say, “Hey, that’s a really great idea, let me create my own version based on the hard work you’ve done,” and then make money off of you where you could be making money from the thing that you created. That’s the basic idea of this intellectual property. So the question that comes up is if I’m creating something that I want to own and I want to protect, but I also want large language models to serve it up as a result, or a search engine to serve it up as a result, how do I protect myself? Chris, I’m sure this is something that as a creator you’ve given a lot of thought to. So how has intellectual property changed due to AI? Christopher S. Penn: Here’s the good and bad news. The law in many places has not changed. The law is pretty firm, and while organizations like the U.S. Copyright Office have issued guidance, the actual laws have not changed. So let’s delineate five different kinds of mechanisms for this. There are copyrights which protect a tangible expression of work. So when you write a blog post, a copyright would protect that. There are patents. Patents protect an idea. Copyrights do not protect ideas. Patents do. Patents protect—like, hey, here is the patent for a toilet paper holder. Which by the way, fun fact, the roll is always over in the patent, which is the correct way to put toilet paper on. And then there are registrations. So there’s trademark, registered mark, and service mark. And these protect things like logos and stuff, brand names. So the 5Ps, for example, could be a service mark. And again, contact your lawyer for which things you need to do. But for example, with Trust Insights, the Trust Insights logo is something that is a registered mark, and the 5Ps are a service mark. Both are also protected by copyright, but they are different. And the reason they’re different is because you would press different kinds of lawsuits depending on it. Now this is also, we’re speaking from the USA. Every country’s laws about copyright are different. Now a lot of countries have signed on to this thing called the Berne Convention (B E R N, I think named after Switzerland), which basically tries to make common things like copyright, trademark, etc., but it’s still not universal. And there are many countries where those definitions are wildly different. In the USA under copyright, it was the 1978 Copyright Act, which essentially says the moment you create something, it is copyrighted. You would file for a copyright to have additional documentation, like irrefutable proof. This is the thing I worked on with my lawyers to prove that I actually made this thing. But under US law right now, the moment you, the human, create something, it is copyrighted. Now as this applies to AI, this is where things get messy. Because if you prompt Gemini or ChatGPT, “Write me a blog post about B2B marketing,” your prompt is copyrightable; the output is not. It was a case in 2018, *Naruto vs. Slater*, where a chimpanzee took a selfie, and there was a whole lawsuit that went on with People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals. They used the image, and it went to court, and the Supreme Court eventually ruled the chimp did the work. It held the camera, it did the work even though it was the photographer’s equipment, and therefore the chimp would own the copyright. Except chimps can’t own copyright. And so they established in that court case only humans can have copyright in the USA. Which means that if you prompt ChatGPT to write you a blog post, ChatGPT did the work, you did not. And therefore that blog post is not copyrightable. So the part of your question about what’s the future of intellectual property is if you are using AI to make something net new, it’s not copyrightable. You have no claim to intellectual property for that. Katie Robbert: So I want to go back to I think you said the 1978 reference, and I hear you when you say if you create something and put it out there, you own the copyright. I don’t think people care unless there is some kind of mark on it—the different kinds of copyright, trademark, whatever’s appropriate. I don’t think people care because it’s easy to fudge the data. And by that I mean I’m going to say, I saw this really great idea that Chris Penn put out there, and I wish I had thought of it first. So I’m going to put it out there, but I’m going to back date my blog post to one day before. And sure there are audit trails, and you can get into the technical, but at a high level it’s very easy for people to say, “No, I had that idea first,” or, “Yeah, Chris and I had a conversation that wasn’t recorded, but I totally gave him that idea. And he used it, and now he’s calling copyright. But it’s my idea.” I feel unless—and again, I’m going to put this up here because this is important: We’re not lawyers. This is not legal advice—unless you have some kind of piece of paper to back up your claim. Personally, this is one person’s opinion. I feel like it’s going to be harder for you to prove ownership of the thing. So, Chris, you and I have debated this. Why are we paying the legal team to file for these copyrights when we’ve already put it out there? Therefore, we own it. And my stance is we don’t own it enough. Christopher S. Penn: Yes. And fundamentally—Cary Gorgon said this not too long ago—”Write it or you’ll regret it.” Basically, if it isn’t written down, it never happens. So the foundation of all law, but especially copyright law, is receipts. You got to have receipts. And filing a formal copyright with the Copyright Office is about the strongest receipt you can have. You can say, my lawyer timestamped this, filed this, and this is admissible in a court of law as evidence and has been registered with a third party. Anything where there is a tangible record that you can prove. And to your point, some systems can be fudged. For example, one system that is oddly relatively immutable is things like Twitter, or formerly Twitter. You can’t backdate a tweet. You can edit a tweet up to an hour if you create it, but you can’t backdate it after that. You just have to delete it. There are sites like archive.org that crawl websites, and you can actually submit pages to them, and they have a record. But yes, without a doubt, having a qualified third party that has receipts is the strongest form of registration. Now, there’s an additional twist in the world of AI because why not? And that is the definition of derivative works. So there are 2 kinds of works you can make from a copyrighted piece of work. There’s a derivative, and then there’s a transformative work. A derivative work is a work that is derived from an initial piece of property, and you can tell there’s no reputation that is a derived piece of work. So, for example, if I take a picture of the Mona Lisa and I spray paint rabbit ears on it, it’s still pretty clearly the Mona Lisa. You could say, “Okay, yeah, that’s definitely derived work,” and it’s very clear that you made it from somebody else’s work. Derivative works inherit the copyright of the original. So if you don’t have permission—say we have copyrighted the 5Ps—and you decide, “I’m going to make the 6Ps and add one more to it,” that is a derived work and it inherits the copyright. This means if you do not get Trust Insights legal permission to make the 6Ps, you are violating intellectual properties, and we can sue you, and we will. The other form is a transformative work, which is where a work is taken and is transformed in such a way that it cannot be told what the original work was, and no one could mistake it for it. So if you took the Mona Lisa, put it in a paper shredder and turned it into a little sculpture of a rabbit, that would be a transformative work. You would be going to jail by the French government. But that transformed work is unrecognizable as the Mona Lisa. No one would mistake a sculpture of a rabbit made out of pulp paper and canvas from the original painting. What has happened in the world of AI is that model makers like ChatGPT, OpenAI—the model is a big pile of statistics. No one would mistake your blog post or your original piece of art or your drawing or your photo for a pile of statistics. They are clearly not the same thing. And courts have begun to rule that an AI model is not a violation of copyright because it is a transformative work. Katie Robbert: So let’s talk a little bit about some of those lawsuits. There have been, especially with public figures, a lot of lawsuits filed around generative models, large language models using “public domain information.” And this is big quotes: We are not lawyers. So let’s say somebody was like, “I want to train my model on everything that Chris and Katie have ever done.” So they have our YouTube channel, they have our LinkedIn, they have our website. We put a lot of content out there as creators, and so they’re going to go ahead and take all of that data, put it into a large language model and say, “Great, now I know everything that Katie and Chris know. I’m going to start to create my own stuff based on their knowledge block.” That’s where I think it’s getting really messy because a lot of people who are a lot more famous and have a lot more money than us can actually bring those lawsuits to say, “You can’t use my likeness without my permission.” And so that’s where I think, when we talk about how IP management is changing, to me, that’s where it’s getting really messy. Christopher S. Penn: So the case happened—was it this June 2025, August 2020? Sometime this summer. It was *Bart’s versus Anthropic*. The judge, it was District Court of Northern California, ruled that AI models are transformative. In that case, Anthropic, the makers of Claude, was essentially told, “Your model, which was trained on other people’s copyrighted works, is not a violation of intellectual property rights.” However, the liability then passes to the user. So if I use Claude and I say, “Let’s write a book called *Perry Hotter* about a kid magician,” and I publish it, Anthropic has no legal liability in this case because their model is not a representation of *Harry Potter*. My very thinly disguised derivative work is. And the liability as the user of the model is mine. So one of the things—and again, our friend Cary Gorgon talked about this at her session at Marketing Prosporum this year—you, as the producer of works, whether you use AI or not, have an obligation, a legal obligation, to validate that you are not ripping off somebody else. If you make a piece of artwork and it very strongly resembles this particular artist, Gemini or ChatGPT is not liable, but you are. So if you make a famously oddly familiar looking mouse as a cartoon logo on your stationary, a lawyer from Disney will come by and punch you in the face, legally speaking. And just because you used AI does not indemnify you from violating Disney’s copyrights. So part of intellectual property management, a key step is you got to do your homework and say, “Hey, have I ripped off somebody else?” Katie Robbert: So let’s talk about that a little more because I feel like there’s a lot to unpack there. So let’s go back to the example of, “Hey, Gemini, write me a blog post about B2B marketing in 2026.” And it writes the blog post and you publish it. And Andy Crestedina is, “Hey, that’s verbatim, word for word what I said,” but it wasn’t listed as a source. And the model doesn’t say, “By the way, I was trained on all of Andy Crestedina’s work.” You’re just, “Here’s a blog post that I’m going to use.” How do users—I hear you saying, “Do your homework,” do due diligence, but what does that look like? What does it look like for a user to do that due diligence? Because it’s adding—rightfully so—more work into the process to protect yourself. But I don’t think people are doing that. Christopher S. Penn: People for sure are not doing that. And this is where it becomes very muddy because ideas cannot be copyrighted. So if I have an idea for, say, a way to do requirements gathering, I cannot copyright that idea. I can copyright my expression of that idea, and there’s a lot of nuance for it. The 5P framework, for example, from Trust Insights, is a tangible expression of the idea. We are copywriting the literal words. So this is where you get into things like plagiarism. Plagiarism is not illegal. Violation of copyright is. Plagiarism is unethical. And in colleges, it’s a violation of academic honesty codes. But it is not illegal because as long as you’re changing the words, it is not the same tangible fixed expression. So if I had the 5T framework instead of the 5P framework, that is plagiarism of the idea. But it is not a violation of the copyright itself because the copyright protects the fixed expression. So if someone’s using a 5P and it’s purpose, people, process, platform, performance, that is protected. If it’s with T’s or Z’s or whatever that is, that’s a harder thing. You’re gonna have a longer court case, whereas the initial one, you just rip off the 5Ps and call it yours, and scratch off Katie Robbert and put Bob Jones. Bob’s getting sued, and Bob’s gonna lose pretty quickly in court. So don’t do that. So the guaranteed way to protect yourself across the board is for you to start with a human originated work. So this podcast, for example, there’s obviously proof that you and I are saying the words aloud. We have a recording of it. And if we were to put this into generative AI and turn it into a blog post or series of blog posts, we have this receipt—literally us saying these words coming out of our mouths. That is evidence, it’s receipts, that these are our original human led thoughts. So no matter how much AI we use on this, we can show in a court, in a lawsuit, “This came from us.” So if someone said, “Chris and Katie, you stole my intellectual property infringement blog post,” we can clearly say we did not. It just came from our podcast episode, and ideas are not copyrightable. Katie Robbert: But I guess that goes—the question I’m asking is—let’s say, let’s plead ignorant for a second. Let’s say that your shiny-faced, brand new marketing coordinator has been asked to write a blog post about B2B marketing in 2026, and they’re like, “This is great, let me just use ChatGPT to write this post or at least get a draft.” And they’re brand new to the workforce. Again, I’m pleading ignorant. They’re brand new to the workforce, they don’t know that plagiarism and copyright—they understand the concepts, but they’re not thinking about it in terms of, “This is going to happen to me.” Or let’s just go ahead and say that there’s an entitled senior executive who thinks that they’re impervious to any sort of bad consequences. Same thing, whatever. What kind of steps should that person be taking to ensure that if they’re using these large language models that are trained on copyrighted information, they themselves are not violating copyright? Is there a magic—I know I’m putting you on the spot—is there a magic prompt? Is there a process? Is there a tool that someone could use to supplement to—”All right, Bob Jones, you’ve ripped off Katie 5 times this year. We don’t need any more lawsuits. I really need you to start checking your work because Katie’s going to come after you and make sure that we never work in this town again.” What can Bob do to make sure that I don’t put his whole company out? Christopher S. Penn: So the good news is there are companies that are mostly in the education space that specialize in detecting plagiarism. Turnitin, for example, is a well-known one. These companies also offer AI detectors. Their AI detectors are bullshit. They completely do not work. But they are very good and provenly good at detecting when you have just copied and pasted somebody else’s work or very closely to it. So there are commercial services, gazillions of them, that can detect basically copyright infringement. And so if you are very risk averse and you are concerned about a junior employee or a senior employee who is just copy/pasting somebody else’s stuff, these services (and you can get plugins for your blog, you can get plugins for your software) are capable of detecting and saying, “Yep, here’s the citation that I found that matches this.” You can even copy and paste a paragraph of the text, put it into Google and put it in quotes. And if it’s an exact copy, Google will find and say, “This is where this comes from.” Long ago I had a situation like this. In 2006, we had a junior person on a content team at the financial services company I was using, and they were of the completely mistaken opinion that if it’s on the internet, it is free to use. They copied and pasted a graphic for one of our blog posts. We got a $60,000 bill—$60,000 for one image from Getty Images—saying, “You owe us money because you used one of our works without permission,” and we had to pay it. That person was let go because they cost the company more than their salary, twice their salary. So the short of it is make sure that if you are risk averse, you have these tools—they are annual subscriptions at the very minimum. And I like this rule that Cary said, particularly for people who are more experienced: if it sounds familiar, you got to check it. If AI makes something and you’re like, “That sounds awfully familiar,” you got to check it. Now you do have to have someone senior who has experience who can say, “That sounds a lot like Andy, or that sounds a lot like Lily Ray, or that sounds a lot like Alita Solis,” to know that’s a problem. But between that and plagiarism detection software, you can in a court of law say you made best reasonable efforts to prevent that. And typically what happens is that first you’ll get a polite request, “Hey, this looks kind of familiar, would you mind changing it?” If you ignore that, then your lawyer sends a cease and desist letter saying, “Hey, you violated my client’s copyright, remove this or else.” And if you still ignore that, then you go to lawsuit. This is the normal progression, at least in the US system. Katie Robbert: And so, I think the takeaway here is, even if it doesn’t sound familiar, we as humans are ingesting so much information all day, every day, whether we realize it or not, that something that may seem like a millisecond data input into our brain could stick in our subconscious, without getting too deep in how all of that works. The big takeaway is just double check your work because large language models do not give a flying turkey if the material is copyrighted or not. That’s not their problem. It is your problem. So you can’t say, “Well, that’s what ChatGPT gave me, so it’s its fault.” It’s a machine, it doesn’t care. You can take heart all you want, it doesn’t matter. You as the human are on the hook. Flip side of that, if you’re a creator, make sure you’re working with your legal team to know exactly what those boundaries are in terms of your own protection. Christopher S. Penn: Exactly. And for that part in particular, copyright should scale with importance. You do not need to file a copyright for every blog post you write. But if it’s something that is going to be big, like the Trust Insights 5P framework or the 6C framework or the TRIPS framework, yeah, go ahead and spend the money and get the receipts that will stand up beyond reasonable doubt in a court of law. If you think you’re going to have to go to the mat for something that is your bread and butter, invest the money in a good legal team and invest the money to do those filings. Because those receipts are worth their weight in gold. Katie Robbert: And in case anyone is wondering, yes, the 5Ps are covered, and so are all of our major frameworks because I am super risk averse, and I like to have those receipts. A big fan of receipts. Christopher S. Penn: Exactly. If you’ve got some thoughts that you want to share about how you’re looking at intellectual property in the world of AI, and you want to share them, pop by our Slack. Go to Trust Insights AI Analytics for Marketers, where you and over 4,500 marketers are asking and answering each other’s questions every single day. And wherever you watch or listen to the show, if there’s a channel you’d rather have it instead, go to Trust Insights AI TI Podcast. You’ll find us in most of the places that fine podcasts are served. Thanks for tuning in, and we’ll talk to you on the next one. Katie Robbert: Want to know more about Trust Insights? 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Is your business ready for a world where 50% of search queries involve AI?The digital landscape is shifting fast. We are moving from a world of traditional Google rankings to a "Zero-Click" environment dominated by AI Overviews, ChatGPT, and Voice Search. If you are still relying solely on old-school SEO playbooks, your content is at risk of becoming invisible.In this episode I break down the confusion between AEO (Answer Engine Optimization) and GEO (Generative Engine Optimization). I reveal why these aren't just buzzwords, but the two sides of the same coin that will determine your digital visibility in 2025 and beyond.Tune in to discover:The Critical Difference: What separates AEO (Extraction) from GEO (Synthesis) and why you need a hybrid strategy to win at both.The "Zero-Click" Reality: How to measure success when users get their answers without ever visiting your website (and why that actually builds more brand authority).5 Foundational Strategies: The specific steps you can take today—from "Answer-Focused Content" to "Entity Optimization"—to make your brand machine-readable and trustworthy.The Local SEO Pivot: Why NAP consistency and Google Business Profiles are non-negotiable for voice search visibility.Actionable Checklist: 7 immediate steps to audit your content and future-proof your digital marketing strategy.Whether you are a marketing professional, an entrepreneur, or a local business owner, this episode provides the roadmap you need to become the trusted source that AI cites and customers trust.Key Highlights:Intro: The confusion between AEO and GEO.Why the old SEO playbook isn't enough anymore.AEO vs. GEO: Extraction vs. Synthesis explained.The 5 Core Principles for AI Visibility.Specific tactics for Local Business owners.How to measure success in an AI world (Impressions vs. Clicks).The 7-Step Action Plan to implement today.Links & Resources Mentioned:Join the Digital First Group Coaching Membership: nealschaffer.com/membershipContact Neal: neal@nealschaffer.comNeal's Website: nealschaffer.comThe Ask Neal AI Framework: https://podcast.nealschaffer.com/episode/the-asknealtm-framework-7-steps-to-make-ai-sound-like-you-not-a-robotMarcus Sheridan's "They Ask, You Answer" book: https://amzn.to/48MT4PpSubscribe & Review:If you enjoyed this episode, please subscribe and leave a review! It helps me bring you moLearn More: Buy Digital Threads: https://nealschaffer.com/digitalthreadsamazon Buy Maximizing LinkedIn for Business Growth: https://nealschaffer.com/maximizinglinkedinamazon Join My Digital First Mastermind: https://nealschaffer.com/membership/ Learn about My Fractional CMO Consulting Services: https://nealschaffer.com/cmo Download My Free Ebooks Here: https://nealschaffer.com/books/ Subscribe to my YouTube Channel: https://youtube.com/nealschaffer All My Podcast Show Notes: https://podcast.nealschaffer.com

In this episode of the Private Practice Podcast, I'm lifting the lid on one of the biggest struggles women counsellors, psychologists and social workers face: treating the practice like a passion… but not yet running it like a business. If you've ever wondered why your bookings feel inconsistent, why you always seem “behind”, or why your business feels harder than it needs to, this conversation will help clear the fog and point you back toward real momentum. private practice business coaching, women in private practice, business mindset You'll hear why there is no “finish line” in private practice, why you are already sitting in the pot of gold you think you're chasing, and how constant pivots, identity shifts and new modalities actually influence your business direction. You'll also learn the surprising truth about unqualified “business coaches” in the space, what to look for before investing in support, and how your own lived experience and neurodivergence can actually become powerful business assets. private practice growth, mindset for therapists, counselling business If you've ever felt overwhelmed, financially unsafe, underpaid, or unsure why the strategies you're trying aren't landing, this episode gives you both reassurance and direction. You'll walk away knowing what questions to ask when seeking support, how to evaluate ROI in coaching, and how to reconnect with your purpose, energy and values as the foundation of a thriving, fully booked practice. Your quick action step today: audit your practice by asking “What gives me energy? What drains it? What truly moves the needle?” private practice audit, therapist business plan, grow your private practice Book your free 15-minute private practice conversation with me here: https://calendar.app.google/wmdgGjsmH2DciKaq8 Explore more of my free and paid resources to help you grow your practice: Practice Momentum (12-month on-demand coaching program) https://sales.brooklynstorme.com/momentum/ Free Community for Therapists https://sales.brooklynstorme.com/ultimate-private-practice-free-community/ Website Wellness Check https://sales.brooklynstorme.com/website-wellness-check-up-aud/ Booked & Better Monthly Tools https://sales.brooklynstorme.com/booked--better/ Etsy Tools & Templates for Private Practice https://thehappypractice.etsy.com Timestamps: 00:04 Welcome to the Private Practice Podcast 00:22 What Practice Momentum actually gives you 01:07 Identity shifts and why your business keeps evolving 02:16 Closing old offers and why “never say never” matters 03:32 The pot-of-gold illusion in private practice 04:48 Why you'll always have more to learn and do 07:11 What a real business audit looks like 08:51 Inventing offers, neurodivergent strengths and Booked & Better 12:11 How understanding ND changed the way I work 14:44 Why your originality is an asset 16:26 Discovering my true point of difference 17:57 The unqualified coaching issue nobody is talking about 20:53 Why coaching qualifications actually matter 27:10 Why women in practice face financial risk 31:04 How coaching, mentoring and strategy work together 32:32 Financial safety and women in practice 45:01 Why results vary — in therapy and coaching 51:47 How to evaluate ROI before investing in support 58:03 What to look for in a legitimate private practice coach 1:00:56 Final thoughts and invitation to connect 1:02:54 Closing message + how to get support   Mini FAQ  What does it mean to run my private practice like a business? It means using systems, strategy, financial awareness and aligned decision-making so your practice becomes sustainable, predictable and profitable.   How do I know if I need a business coach? If you're not paying yourself reliably, feel overwhelmed, or don't know what to prioritise, coaching can give you clarity, direction and financial confidence.   Should therapists worry about unqualified business coaches? Yes. Business coaching is unregulated, so checking qualifications and experience protects your livelihood and ensures you receive ethical, effective support.   What is a good return on investment for business coaching? Every practice differs, but a qualified coach should help you understand your financial baseline and give you strategies to increase revenue, bookings and stability.   Where can I book a call to see if coaching is right for me? You can book a free 15-minute private practice conversation here: https://calendar.app.google/wmdgGjsmH2DciKaq8       private practice coaching, private practice business, counsellor business coach, psychologist private practice growth, social worker business mentor, how to run a practice, therapist business strategy, private practice audit, business mindset for therapists, financial safety for women, therapist money mindset, grow your private practice Australia, qualified business coach, AEO optimisation therapy business, how to get more clients private practice, business coaching for counsellors, ROI business coaching therapists, neurodivergent therapists business, private practice sustainability

Welche Auswirkungen hat der Aufstieg der KI-Systeme auf den Marketingberuf? In unseren Beratungsprojekten sehen wir eine klare Entwicklung: Marketing-Manager*innen beginnen, sich neue Kompetenzen aufzubauen – und definieren ihre Rolle neu. Sie werden zu Koordinatorinnen für KI-Sichtbarkeit in ihrem Unternehmen. In unserem Podcast sprechen wir darüber, welche Muster wir in Unternehmen beobachten, welche Stolpersteine entstehen und wie Marketing-Teams sich Schritt für Schritt in Richtung AI Visibility weiterbilden. Wir sprechen hier von GEO – Generative Engine Optimization. Auch ähnliche Begriffe wie GAIO oder AEO werden derzeit viel genutzt. Sie alle beschreiben das neue Feld der KI-Optimierung. 📈 Mehr Charts und Analysen zur Episode 🎓 GEO Academy 👋 Fabian auf LinkedIn 👋 Benjamin auf LinkedIn

This week I'm welcoming back one of my favourite guests, Neely Khan, founder of the storytelling agency Artwork Creative. This is her second time joining me in less than six months - and there's a good reason for that. Neely is at the forefront of one of the most important shifts we're seeing in vacation rental marketing: the rise of AI-powered search. If you're still trying to wrap your head around terms like SEO, GEO, and AEO, you're not alone. But understanding these isn't optional anymore - it's essential if you want your business to remain visible and relevant in today's evolving digital landscape. Neely breaks things down beautifully. We talk about the difference between Search Engine Optimization (SEO) and Generative Engine Optimization (GEO), and how Answer Engine Optimization (AEO) fits into the mix. More importantly, she shares how vacation rental professionals can start optimizing their content for AI-driven platforms like ChatGPT, Perplexity, and Microsoft Copilot - without losing the soul of their brand. ________________________________________________________________________________________________________

What does it mean to be relevant in a fast-paced era of AI, and how can you stay in demand? Have you done a search for a company recently and couldn't find it?A simple search one day was the inspiration for this episode. I was looking for a new at-home workout and to my surprise, the company I have used for over 18 years was mysteriously missing from all search. This experience is an example of how quickly brands can disappear if they aren't using AEO.What about for your company, are you showing up in online searches?Inspired, I decided to check HerCsuite® and used phrases like NEXT. Similar to BODi, we were not showing up in search like we use to. I did an experiment and We rebuilt our updated the entire website to be AEO focused. HerCsuite® now appears in the number two spot right under one of the largest women's networks. AI and AEO influence the way we with search, but staying in demand is also about how we show up and how we lead. Five Secrets to Being In Demand and Staying Relevant Beyond AICreate a Strong Personal Brand. Build Trust.Be a Curious Learner. Build Your Network. Be Visible. As you listen today, it's important to remember that AI is a tool, but the 5 ways to be in demand are human actions only you can take.This episode is releasing the day before Thanksgiving in the U.S. and I am grateful to all of you listening both here and in the 40 countries around the world.SPECIAL INVITATION to JOIN HERCSUITE®If you're ready for your next board role, business growth, or portfolio career and drive the AI conversation, I would love to welcome you in HerCsuite®. Now until Cyber Monday there are special member savings.Keep shining your light bright. The world needs you.Connect with Natalie BenamouNatalie Benamou is Founder of HerCsuite®, women's leadership network and portfolio career company. She also serves as President and CEO of HER HEALTHX, a nonprofit bridging the care communication gap and improving health outcomes for women.

Quiet calendars don't have to mean quiet growth. We break down the most common slow-season mistakes home inspectors make—and replace them with practical moves that compound into spring momentum. From why turning off your website or pausing SEO backfires to how steady AEO signals and consistent social content build authority, we show exactly where to invest attention when the market cools.We dig into real-world tactics: refreshing your website with local service pages and helpful articles, optimizing your Google Business Profile with complete details, weekly posts, and fresh photos, and using YouTube and Facebook to boost topical relevance. On the relationship side, we lean into the realtor calendar—office visits, short trainings, and pre-listing inspection packages that put your brand on the sign and in the room when deals return. Pricing gets a strategic reset too: plan your spring increase now, refine packages and add-ons, and script your phone conversions so you protect margins without racing to the bottom.Professional development and operations round out the playbook. Finish CE while the phones are calm, add certifications that open new revenue like sewer scope, infrared, mold, and radon, and service every tool and vehicle you depend on. Then let data guide your next leap: read your analytics, identify top referrers and churned agents, automate client follow-ups, and audit report clarity. Finally, build a true profit and loss so you know your cost per acquisition and cost per inspection—numbers that inform smart pricing and better marketing bets.If you're ready to turn winter into your advantage, this is your blueprint for marketing consistency, realtor partnerships, pricing strategy, CE momentum, equipment readiness, analytics literacy, and cleaner reports. Subscribe, share this with a fellow inspector who needs a boost, and leave a quick review to tell us your top slow-season priority.Check out our home inspection app at www.inspectortoolbelt.comNeed a home inspection website? See samples of our website at www.inspectortoolbelt.com/home-inspection-websites*The views and opinions expressed in this podcast, and the guests on it, do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of Inspector Toolbelt and its associates.

Pressure Washing Business Owners — AI is already deciding which companies get found online.In this video, Jonathon Henderson from Pressure Washing Marketing Pros explains the future of SEO and how to make sure your business is still visible when Google, ChatGPT, and Gemini start recommending local companies directly.You'll learn how to: ✅ Structure your website for SEO, AEO, and GEO visibility ✅ Get featured in Google's AI Overviews and voice search ✅ Make ChatGPT recommend your business over competitors ✅ Future-proof your local rankings for the next 3–5 yearsJonathon and his team have helped over 125 exterior cleaning businesses stay visible online by tracking how AI-driven search is changing customer behavior.

On our 100th Social in Six episode, SocialChain influencer executive Rachel Lea joins Mil in the studio to cover off the top six need-to-know updates from the world of social. This time, that includes two updates from Instagram: a new watch history feature and a crackdown on duplicate content that's got some news accounts rattled. They're also talking all about Sora, the latest AI video/social platform from ChatGPT's parent company OpenAI.    Plus, new AI tools from TikTok that let creators streamline both the edit and video scripting process; Reddit's guide to optimising for AEO (not a typo, that's Answer Engine Optimisation), and finally...find out which platform marketers ranked top priority in Emplifi's State of Social report.       Got a question or suggestion for the SocialMinds podcast? Get in touch at socialminds@socialchain.com.  

In this episode of Talking AI, Seth Besmertnik, CEO of Conductor, discusses the profound impact of AI on search behavior and SEO.As search engines like Google and AI platforms like OpenAI transform how users discover information, the traditional rules of SEO are being rewritten.Besmertnik details how AI is becoming the new front door to the internet, emphasizing the need for brands to be present in AI-generated answers to maintain visibility. He explains that companies must now create exponentially more nuanced content to stay competitive. The conversation explores topics such as the importance of understanding AI's role in customer journeys, the emergence of new optimization terms like AEO and GEO, and the significance of using AI tools to enhance content creation processes.The episode offers a deep dive into how businesses can adapt to these changes, maintain their relevance, and excel in an AI-driven digital landscape.--Key Moments:01:24 The Evolution of Information Discovery03:15 The Role of AI in Modern Search04:44 The Future of Content Strategy08:12 Personal Experiences with Google and AI10:37 Emerging Terms and Concepts in AI and SEO12:33 Conductor's Comprehensive Approach to AI Visibility16:25 Challenges and Opportunities in AI-Driven Search19:04 Communicating with AI: Short-Term and Long-Term Strategies20:03 AI Bots and Content Quality20:35 Effective Content for AI: FAQs and Structured Data21:29 Personalizing Content for Different Personas22:38 Leveraging AI for Content Creation and Analysis26:04 Scaling High-Quality Content with AI26:42 The Future of AI in Content Creation30:06 Conductor's Vision and Roadmap34:28 AI in Engineering and Product Development--Key Links:ConductorConnect with Seth on LinkedInMentioned in this episode:AI Opportunity FinderFeeling overwhelmed by all the AI noise out there? The AI Opportunity Finder from HatchWorks cuts through the hype and gives you a clear starting point. In less than 5 minutes, you'll get tailored, high-impact AI use cases specific to your business—scored by ROI so you know exactly where to start. Whether you're looking to cut costs, automate tasks, or grow faster, this free tool gives you a personalized roadmap built for action.

Is Answer Engine Optimization (AEO) really just SEO with a fresh coat of paint, or are we looking at something fundamentally different? This question has been nagging at me for weeks, and in this AI Quick Take I try to answer it.This started with a lunch conversation at the Marketing AI Conference in Cleveland, where an SEO expert told me AEO was merely a 10% incremental change from traditional SEO. Then I saw a post from Drew Neisser featuring a CMO who called AEO and GEO "a load of crap," suggesting that following SEO best practices would be sufficient. But after analyzing our own data at Health Launchpad and hearing similar stories from clients, I'm not convinced they're right.Our website traffic grew 10% month-over-month for four years straight, with 65-80% driven by SEO. Now SEO accounts for less than 40% of our traffic, but the decline has been offset by increases in referral and direct traffic from answer engines like ChatGPT, Claude, and Perplexity. We're moving into what many call a zero-click world where users get answers, not links. The new gatekeepers aren't search engines anymore - they're answer engines that read, interpret, and decide what's worth repeating. In this episode, I will unpack why I think AEO truly is a big deal and requires thinking differently about how we approach digital marketing.Key Topics Covered:"(00:00:00)" Introduction"(00:01:30)" The Question: Is AEO Just SEO Rebranded?"(00:05:00)" Is This SEO 2.0 or Something Different?"(00:05:30)" The Reality of Traditional SEO"(00:06:30)" Health Launchpad's Traffic Data"(00:08:00)" The Zero-Click World"(00:09:00)" Answers Not Links"(00:10:00)" The Skeptics' Point of View"(00:11:00)" Overlapping Tactics vs Overlapping Strategy"(00:12:00)" SEO vs AEO: Ranked vs Retrieved"(00:14:00)" Pre-Qualified Buyers from AI Engines"(00:15:00)" Zyppy's Research: 86% Citations from Owned Content"(00:17:30)" The Measurement Challenge"(00:19:00)" New Metrics: Retrieval Frequency and Answer Share"(00:22:00)" Four Key Takeaways"(00:24:30)" Future-Proofing Your Brand"(00:25:30)" Closing AdviceIf you are interested in discussing this or any other topic, let's have a chat.  Reach out to me directly to schedule a no-obligation discussion. This isn't a sales call, but rather an opportunity to talk through your questions and challenges.Follow me on LinkedIn.Subscribe to The Healthtech Marketing Show on Spotify or watch us on YouTube for more insights into marketing, AI, ABM, buyer journeys, and beyond!Thank you to our presenting sponsors, HIMSS, a leader in advancing health equity, digital innovation, and data-driven care through technology, policy, and community collaboration. And also HealthcareNOW, 24/7 expert shows, interviews, and podcasts, powering healthcare leaders with innovation, policy, and strategy insights.

Order my new book Habits of High Performers here - www.thehabitbook.com In this episode of Lead On Purpose, I chat with Kasim about AEO and how it's changing the way we get found online. We also dive into hiring, as he shares his seven step system for finding top performers anywhere in the world. We wrap up with a powerful reminder to stop overthinking and just ship it.What we cover:How AEO differs from SEO and why personal authority now matters mostWhy schema markup and social proof drive visibility in LLMsHow consistency and positioning helped me rank top for high performance leadership searchesKasim's seven step hiring system to attract, test, and keep elite talentWhy action beats endless planning and learningIf you want LLMs to find you and you want your team to perform at an elite level, this conversation gives you a clear plan to start today.Check out the AEO community and get your free book here - https://aeo.co/free/Grab a copy of ‘Hire' here - https://thehirebook.comConnect with Kasim here - https://kasim.meIf you're interested in having me deliver a keynote or workshop for your team contact Caroline at caroline@jjlaughlin.comWebsite: https://www.jjlaughlin.com YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6GETJbxpgulYcYc6QAKLHA Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/JamesLaughlinOfficial Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jameslaughlinofficial/ Apple Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/nz/podcast/life-on-purpose-with-james-laughlin/id1547874035 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3WBElxcvhCHtJWBac3nOlF?si=hotcGzHVRACeAx4GvybVOQ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jameslaughlincoaching/James Laughlin is a High Performance Leadership Coach, Former 7-Time World Champion, Host of the Lead On Purpose Podcast and an Executive Coach to high performers and leaders. James is based in Christchurch, New Zealand.Send me a personal text message - If you're interested in booking me for a keynote or workshop, contact Caroline at caroline@jjlaughlin.comSupport the show

When trying to grow your property management business, have you ever thought to yourself, "Man, it would be great if I just had more leads?" In this episode of the #DoorGrowShow, property management growth experts Jason and Sarah Hull discuss the Leads Myth and how "just having more leads" will not actually help you grow your business. You'll Learn [02:06] The Myth of Needing More Leads [11:39] Leaks in Your Sales Pipeline [22:41] The Future of SEO with AI Quotables "Why do we call it the leads myth? Well, the myth is this lie that we believe that you just need more leads. And the assumption in that is that all leads are the same." "The more clarity you have, the less wrong stuff you're going to be doing." "Not all clients are equal, right? Which means not all leads you get are equal. You need to qualify them." Resources DoorGrow and Scale Mastermind DoorGrow Academy DoorGrow on YouTube DoorGrowClub DoorGrowLive Transcript Jason Hull (00:00) Most of the industry is trapped in a cycle of suck. This is why most property managers suck in most markets. Maybe even you that's listening. We are Jason and Sarah Hull, the owners of DoorGrow, the world's leading and most comprehensive coaching and consulting firm for long-term residential property management entrepreneurs. For over a decade and a half, we have brought innovative strategies and optimization to the property management industry. We help people grow their property management businesses quickly. And our mission is to transform property management business owners and their businesses. We want to transform the industry, eliminate the BS, build awareness, change perception, expand the market, and help the best property management entrepreneurs win. Now let's get into the show. All right. So today we're going to be chatting a little bit about the leads myth that a lot of people believe. So if you have ever thought to yourself, I just need more leads. If I just had more leads, everything else would be great in my business. What do you have to say about that? Well, I think that is not the case. Okay. It's definitely not the case. And I also think almost kind of be careful what you ask for a little bit. getting a whole bunch of leads was never really the best. strategy anyway, unless you have people who are just picking up the phone and calling you and saying hey, I Would love for you to just manage my property. I don't have any questions. Here's my money. I just had a contract Those are leads I want but cold leads that are Not ready to go that need to be warmed up that have a bajillion questions That might not even understand why they want to work with you Specifically, yeah, I'm just not interested in those leads. And the other thing I think we need to discuss on this episode specifically is the changes that we're seeing because of AI. So AI is really great and also it's changing things very rapidly and leads and SEO that's very effective by this too. Okay. So. Let's get into this. So a lot of people believe they just need more leads. And the danger in that is if you really just think you need more leads, you're going to go out to the marketplace and talk to marketers and they're going to go, cool, I'll give you leads. And they will sell you leads basically. So why do we call it the leads myth? Well, the myth is this lie that we believe that you just need more leads. And the assumption in that is that all leads are the same. And they're not, they're not even remotely the same. So there's a couple of different frameworks that we usually talk about to kind of destroy the leads myth. One is the four Ds to revenue. Another is the cycle of suck we talk about and how people get stuck in growth. We talk sometimes about the pipeline leaks that you have in your pipeline. And we talk about the myth of SEO or internet marketing. And then we often talk about any others warm versus cold leads and then David versus Goliath. Okay. So we can tackle these all really quickly and go through each of these and maybe some other things will pop up as we go. Cool. Let's talk about all of that and then we'll talk about why AI has changed all of, really all of those things. Okay. That'll be in conjunction with SEO. All right, so let's go through these. And so for those following along, if you stack all these concepts, each one compounds your speed of growth. They're all related. And so these are frameworks that I love to share with clients to help them understand so that they don't make the mistake of doing the wrong stuff. The more clarity you have, the less wrong stuff you're going to be doing. The less you're going to be experimenting, the less you're going to be wasting time. And if you really wanna collapse time, the easiest hack is reach out to us and we can help you with all of this. We've been doing this for over a decade and a half. We have had hundreds of guinea pigs to figure this all out and we have over 100. case studies and testimonials more than anyone else in the industry. All right. Let's get into this. let's talk about the four D's to revenue. So these are four numbers when multiplied equal the gross revenue in your business. And I sometimes call them the four doors to revenue. And I showed four doors with a little multiplication X next to each of them equals your money. Right? So not all leads are equal. So the, these D's are, if you want to write them down, they each start with a D. It is Deals, doors, duration, and dollars. Okay? So the first is like how many deals is this client going to bring you? Not all clients are equal, right? Which means not all leads you get are equal. You need to qualify them. And how many doors are they bringing to the table? Or how many doors per deal are they bringing? And then the third D is duration. How long are they going to stick around or be involved in property management? is are they an accidental investor that's going to stick around for maybe a year, or are they in the buy and hold game and they'll be around for 10? And then the last D is revenue or is dollars. And so are they a cheapo? Are they a premium buyer? Where do they kind of fit? Or are they somewhere in the middle, like the normals as I call them? So we've got these four Ds. So let's play a quick example. Let's take the accidental investor. They couldn't sell their property. They wanna get it rented out. How does this play out in the 4Ds? done one deal. They didn't mean to do a deal, but they did. And it's usually just one door. Maybe sometimes they have two, but very often we just see one door and they're not looking to... to do more deals because as soon as the market spikes and the market is hot, they're going to bail. They're going to sell, which means the duration is questionable. Let's say it's like one year, like if they can just get it rented. but it might be a few months because if the market spikes three months from now, they're probably going to dump that property pretty quick. And then. than the dollars, they're not your premium buyers. They're not looking to do a lot of improvements. They're not looking to spend a lot of money. They're the people who, they have this property, they aren't quite sure what to do with it. They figure, let's just see if I can get it rented. They want it well taken care of, but they're not generally looking to spend a lot of money or invest a lot of money in either the property or maintenance or repairs or improvements or a property manager. So they're just trying to... Do what they need to do. It's like the bare minimum in order to get a tenant. All right, so one, one, one, right? Like one deal, one door, one year duration, for example, if this is worst case scenario and you sign a one year agreement with them and they're a cheapo, right? Now let's take a really great scenario. What would be maybe an opposite scenario or a really great opportunity? Like my, I will say my second largest client. He had 42 doors I think was the right answer but I was looking to buy more. So when I took him on he had 42 by the time I sold the business he had 60 something. So he was always doing multiple deals. Yeah. The doors that he had came out of multiple deals. So since he did multiple deals he also had multiple doors. was consistently looking to grow. He didn't want to just stop, you know, at a certain point he was always looking. He also was a buy and hold investor. He wasn't trying to buy these things and then wait, you know, until the market spiked and then try to sell them and make a profit. He wasn't up for the long term. And he was not a cheapo. He wasn't trying to cut corners. He wasn't trying to cut costs. You he wanted to work with. a property manager, wanted to take care of the properties and make sure that they were being maintained properly. Yeah. Okay. So that's a great example that previous client that you had. So let's just say like on each of these fees, we use tens instead of ones, right? Like let's say they do 10 deals over the life of being with you. They've got 10 doors. Maybe sometimes it's 10 doors per deal if they're doing small multis or something like this, right? And then you've got a 10 year buy and hold duration. In this hypothetical example that I just threw out, it would be 10 times 10 times 10. This would be over a thousand times greater lifetime value than that accidental investor in our previous hypothetical. Does that make sense? So are these even remotely equal? No, not even remotely equal. Should you then spend the same amount of time trying to cultivate both of those type of leads? Probably not. Would you spend the same amount of time following up or giving them attention? Probably not. And the great investor clients probably are easier to deal with, less emotional, have a much higher margin and operational cost is lower, right? And so there's a lot of benefits. so this is, we're just talking about the revenue piece, but when we look at the cost side of things as well, everybody knows having a really bad owner that's really needy and difficult and emotional about the property. can be a big headache and a big challenge and you may be losing money on some of those doors. So, four D's to revenue, that's one concept. One quick thing I wanna add to that is where do you think these owners hang out? So, if you've got an accidental landlord and they are looking for a property manager, where might that lead come from? Versus where might the lead of a client that has 42 doors come from? There's a lot higher probability that an online lead is going to be an accidental landlord. It's not impossible to get an online lead that has 42 doors. It's just probably not your norm because the ones that have 42 doors, they aren't really dabbling. They aren't going, oh, geez, I wonder if I should get a property manager to maybe help me with these. They are just a little bit more savvy. A lot of times those aren't going to be the leads that you're getting if you're buying leads. Although those are the leads that you want, it's not going to be the norm that you get. All right, so we're 10 minutes into this. We're going to crank through some of the rest of these. So cycle of suck. Cycle of suck, real simple. If you take on any client, it leads to you having some bad clients. So if you take on bad clients, that leads to you having bad properties, which leads to having bad. Residents or tenants which leads to having a bad reputation or reviews which leads to you attracting more bad clients. So not all leads are good. You don't want to take on every client and you definitely don't want to attract or get more bad leads. And so this is a framework that if you understand you can reverse it and focus on a cycle of success where you're picky about the owners you take on, you're picky about the properties you take on, you're picky about the tenants which everybody tries to do anyway. but those first two steps are supremely important. And then you're going to have a methodology for getting more positive reviews. These are things we help our clients with. And so then you create a cycle of success. Most of the industry is trapped in a cycle of suck. This is why most property managers suck in most markets. Maybe even you that's listening. We want you to get out of the cycle of suck. All right, let's talk about the pipeline leaks. Okay. So usually if I were drawing, I would draw a spigot or a faucet or whatever you attach a hose to, and then I would draw a hose, and then I would draw a little plant or tree that you're trying to grow at the end of the yard that this hose is trying to get water to. Most of you listening think, I just need more leads. This is where the lead Smith becomes really obvious, trying to turn on that faucet even more. I just need more water flowing through the hose. That would make sense, that would be true unless there's a problem with the hose, right? Like the hose has some leaks. And if the hose has some major holes in it, there's not going to be a lot coming out the other end. Sometimes very little at all. And so it's not about how many leads you're getting, sometimes it's just how good is your pipeline? How tight is your product? And so we need to make sure that we get those leaks shored up. And we'll just mention what they are real quick, but. One of the earliest ones that affects you is just awareness. It's going to be your perception and reputation online. It's going to be your website. It's going to be your branding. So they can tell that you are in this industry and that it's clear that that's your focus and it's not real estate or something else. And what else? Your culture and purpose. This is the actual product that you sell. So that is another one. And there are two more. Pricing. Pricing, which everybody's trying to price the same way, 10 % or worse, pure percentage, or they're doing flat fee. We have a different innovative pricing model. If you're curious about that, set up a call with our team. We can tell you about it. That allows you to close more deals more easily at a higher price point. And the last is the pitch, right? Selling. And so if you can dial in each of these leaks, what we've noticed over the years is we can double a company's close rate without changing the amount of leads or lead sources that they're getting currently if we can get those things dialed in. And that's significant. Maybe you don't need more leads. Maybe you just need less leakage in your pipeline. Cool. All right, the next one, you had mentioned warm versus cold leads. Do you wanna explain the difference? Yeah, we can talk about warm versus cold. So when I had my property management business, Yeah. what is a cold lead? So cold lead is someone who really has almost zero, very little familiarity with who you are in your company and your brand and what you do. They don't. they should work with you. That's the big thing is why they should work with you. So they don't know you, trust you or like you. That's a cold lead. And a warm lead. Warm lead would be something like a referral or some sort of recommendation. hey, Sarah is the best, I work with her and you should too. Now they're coming in already feeling like, somebody that I know that I trust recommended this person, so therefore I should also trust this person. So those obviously have a much different close rate. And there are things that you can do to increase your close rate or to warm up deals, of course. But if you're spending all of your time trying to close a bunch of cold leads, which generally is going to be what happens when you're purchasing leads, you really don't get to buy warm leads. Right. They're all cold. I mean, that would be great if you could, but when you're buying leads, you're usually buying a lead that is very cold. They don't know you at all. And oftentimes that same lead is being sold to multiple different companies. There's a lot of blood in the water there. So warm leads versus cold leads, the close rate on warm leads will be really high, like 90 % or higher. Cold leads, like the opposite, 10 % or worse. And so I would rather a client get five warm leads and maybe close four of them than 10 cold leads and maybe get one. The hidden pain point or secret with warm versus cold lead generation. or cold lead strategies is time. Cold leads take a massive amount of time because you have to nurture them and warm them up and build the trust and create the relationship. And even after all of that, and all of sudden done, the conversion rate's really low. So all of you know how high the close rate is if you get a really great word of mouth referral. We love those, right? That's a warm lead. So we have strategies and methods that we focus on with clients to increase the warm leads. while avoiding and doing cold lead advertising and avoiding worrying about cold leads. Once you start getting some growth engines installed for your business that give you warm leads, you're not going to want the cold leads. They feel like garbage in comparison, and you're not going to have time for them. And you're not going to wanna waste time on those because those are often the worst owners. All right. What I would say is as far as getting leads in, if you give me three warm leads, I will take three warm leads over even 100 cold leads. Sure. don't, I don't, I'm not really interested because even if I close, let's say two out of the three warm leads, that's great. What's the close rate on 100 cold leads? If it's about 10%, you might close 10. And some of you might be going, Sarah, 10 is better than two. Yeah, you're right. But how much work did it take for me to close the two versus how much work? did it take for me to close the 10? I would rather close two very easy warmed up leads because I can do that again and again and again. So in the same amount of time, I can close way more warm leads than I can cold leads. So I would rather take three warm leads than a hundred cold leads any day of the week. We have a sponsor for this episode. Many of you tell me that maintenance is probably the least enjoyable part of being a property manager and definitely the most time consuming. But what if you could cut that workload by up to 85 %? That's exactly what Vendero has achieved. They've leveraged cutting edge AI technology to handle nearly all your maintenance tasks from initiating work orders and troubleshooting to coordinating with vendors and reporting. This AI doesn't just automate, it becomes your ideal employee, learning your preferences and executing tasks flawlessly, never needing a day off and never quitting. This frees you up to focus on the critical tasks that really move the needle for your business, whether that's refining operations, expanding your portfolio, or even just taking a well deserved break. Over half of the room last year at DoorGroad Live, our conference signed up with Vendero right there. And then a year later, they're not just satisfied, they're raving about how Vendero has transformed their business, don't let maintenance drag you down. Step up your property management game with Vendoroo. Visit Vendoroo.ai slash door grow today and make this the last maintenance hire you'll ever need. All right. I thought it was a good time because it was a good time. Waste of time and I don't like to waste time and maintenance coordination can be a huge waste of time. Yes. All right. Let's talk about David versus Goliath. So I'll give you an example. We've got a client. that has, so this is dumb David versus smart David, right? The story of David and Goliath, if you're not familiar with the Bible. David goes to fight Goliath. These two warring nations send out their best person and David decides he is not going to wear the armor, the sword, the shield, all the heavy stuff. He's just bringing out his slingshot. He's got his sling, he's got some rock and he goes out to fight Goliath and he's like, I don't need all that stuff. What most property managers do is David basically brought a superior technology. He brought a gun to a sword fight and he was good at this. He trusted himself. He had skill. He had a better tech to beat this giant. He flung the rock right into the guy's head. I had knocked him unconscious or killed him, I don't know. And then he chopped the guy's head off with his own sword. Right. And so that's the story of David and Goliath. So let's talk about the dumb version of David. Like if David wasn't smart. And he said, I'm going to do all the same stuff. I'm going to use the sword of SEO and the shield of pay per click and the helmet of content marketing and the breastplate of social media marketing. And I'm going to do all the same stuff, digital marketing that all the other big companies are doing that are spending two to $3,000 a month or greater. I'm going to go compete with them as a small startup or a small pro. two to 400 unit property management business and try and compete with these big companies that have thousands of doors. One of our clients, as an example, came to us has 6,000 doors. They were spending $30,000 a month doing these strategies to try to grow and it wasn't even working for them. So why would you go and do what the big guys are doing and lose the battle with them and it's not even working for them, right? So that's the idea of David and Goliath. Don't go do what the big guys are doing, find a better way to compete, especially if you're smaller than them. You don't wanna try to outspend them, because that's not going to be possible. right, myth of SEO. All right, and we'll talk a little bit about the future and AI, all right, to wrap things up. So, all of you can go check this out for yourself. This is not me making stuff up. You can go on trends.google.com. You can go look up property management. date it, the time period, to the current time back to 2004, to the present. And you can filter by the US if you want to. What you'll see is that property management search volume, the amount of people searching for property management on Google has not increased since they started tracking data back in 2004. What has increased? The Goliaths, right? The companies spending a lot of money on digital marketing trying to do all this stuff. And so it's created a lot more competition. So this is where we get into another framework that we share, which is the blue ocean versus the red ocean. There's this small little area of the ocean that's red bloody water where all the sharks are fighting over the worst fish, which are these terrible property management business owners that are at the end of the sales cycle. Basically the crappy scraps that fell off the word of mouth table that the warm lead stuff has captured. They're what's left over. And so there's these ugly gross fish and the sharks are all fighting over the worst stuff. And there's this huge ocean full of fish in the U.S. 60 % are self-managing. There's tons of business out there. And so the myth of SEO is basically this, that in order to win the game, you need to have the top spot on Google. Not true. You don't even have to show up on Google in order to go out and be able to create business. Because there aren't really people searching for property management. It's very small. So you don't need to be found on Google. You need to go find owners because the best clients are offline and they're not looking for you and they don't like doing property management and they need you, but they're not looking for property management actively right now. And you can figure out how to go make that happen and we can teach you, right? So let's talk about the future of AI. What are we noticing? Well, I don't think it's any surprise. messed up a lot of Yeah, it's changing everything. AI is going to change everything. And if you haven't noticed it yet, just hold on because you will. It's crazy if you haven't even seen it yet. But it's it's going to flip everything you know upside down, including SEO. Yeah, including SEO. So everyone that is like, no, I don't care. I'm still going to do SEO. That's the only way to go. Like we made a video about this. specifically for this reason, but even the ones who are still clinging to SEO and you just can't let it go and you don't know that there's another way and maybe you don't believe it and you're like, no, I'm no, this is the only thing I'm going to do and I'm going to do this and that's the only way I can grow the business. That is all right and SEO is going to force you to look at that. Okay, yeah, so what we're seeing is search volume on Google is going down. There's less people using Google. More people are now going to LLMs like ChatGPT, Clod, Perplexity, Google's Gemini. So people are using tools now, sometimes within software, and they're using these tools to ask questions, to figure things out, figure out who they should use or who they should choose or what they need. And so Is it still relevant to have good reviews? Yes. Is it still relevant to maybe have some SEO stuff going? Probably, but it's certainly on the down slope and it's certainly decreasing. The game is changing. Even if you search on Google now, the AI at the top will respond to your search request anyway. And a lot of people are just reading that and not really looking at the results below. And so this is the new future. It's changing very quickly. and some are calling it AEO, some are calling it LLM, SEO, there's all these different phrases that are coming out. If you want to do a quick experiment, open up one of these LLMs like ChatGBT. Don't be in your own. It's a large language model. It's basically all these different AI chat tools. So go into ChatGBT. Everybody should be familiar with that by now if you're not. and go to ChatGPT open that up, but make sure you're not logged in or you use a different account and just, or say don't use any of my previous data or open a private window and say don't use any of my previous information or data and say who's the best property manager or what property manager should I choose in X market, right? And see if it comes up. See if your business comes up and see what shows up. And so this is... how people are kind of doing some of their research, but all the stuff we just talked about still applies. Don't think your whole goal needs to be LLM SEO, where you need to start getting these chat tools to tell people. Why? Because most people are not looking for a property manager. They're not looking. They are not trying to find you. That's the mistake most people make. The majority of people that are self-managing, the potential business, are not looking for a property manager. It's really rare that somebody has a property manager that they're looking actively for a new one unless they've really done a bad job or stolen money or done something really obvious. The people that need your services are not looking for you. You need to be looking for them. And so this is where you can skip all of the cold lead marketing. You don't need to spend money on SEO or AI SEO or Google Ads or pay-per-click or any of these marketing agencies, you don't need to spend any money and you can actually grow faster if you use our strategies and it costs you nothing to do the strategies that we give you. It costs time and action, but it actually takes less time because warm leads and focusing on more effective strategies give you a much greater result in less time. So less time, less money, more results. And that's why we call it the Leadsmith. A lot of people think I just need leads. Cool. there's better ways. Not all leads are equal and we can help you out. Cool. Anything else we should add in wrapping up? I don't think so. I think we covered everything. Okay. I think we got it. So cool. Well, if you are wanting to figure out how do I grow this business? How do I finally get out of the rut that I've been in? How do I scale this? Maybe adding more doors is creating you grief and pain and you want freedom from your business. These are the things we help clients with. We'll help you figure out how to grow dramatically faster and we'll help you figure out how to make your business scalable while getting you out of the day to day and getting you to exit the business in various ways so that you get more freedom. So if you felt stuck or stagnant, you want to take it to the next level, reach out to us at doorgrow.com. Also join our free Facebook community just for property management business owners at doorgrowclub.com if you would like to get the best ideas in property management, join our newsletter at where? doorgrow.com/subscribe And if you found this even a little bit helpful, don't forget to subscribe and leave us a review. We'd really appreciate it. And until next time, remember the slowest path to growth is to do it alone. So let's grow together. Bye everyone.

You scroll, you post, you tweak your content, and everything starts to look the same. In 2026, sameness is the silent killer of creativity and visibility. Algorithms reward familiar, not fresh. So if your feed only shows what your competitors post, you'll keep sounding like them. In this episode, I share how to break the copy-paste loop and start seeing new again. You'll learn:

LLMs are already “deciding” your brand for buyers. Are you shaping that story or letting the machine write it? If your marketing still sounds like everybody else's, congratulations: you've trained the models to ignore you.This week we rip into the hottest B2B reality: AI Engine Optimization (AEO) meets human-only brand. Ari Yablok, head of brand at Island, shows how to beat sameness by sending clear “this is new” signals, building experiential brands that people feel (not just read), and using unreasonable hospitality to make products and events feel theirs, not “yours.”We also cover:AEO is the new SEO: how to show up inside LLM answers and make people prefer you before they ever ask a bot.Signals over slogans: designing booths, visuals, and copy that telegraph “category shift” without a single bullet point.Unreasonable hospitality in B2B: turning product nuance and in-person moments into retention (and reputation) machines.The “feeling of knowing”: why brand confidence shortens deals—even when buyers can't explain why.Human as the counter-trend: embracing curated flaws and analog touchpoints to stand out as AI perfects the average.

I'm breaking down the real differences between answer engine optimization (AEO) VS classic SEO and exactly how I execute both. If you want to show up first in AI overviews and search results, this is your playbook.  TIMESTAMPS (00:00) AEO vs SEO and why “first or last” still applies (00:20) The 10 AEO tactics that actually move rankings (05:56) SEO fundamentals that still work in 2025 (09:51) Wrap-up and what's next  How to Connect IG: / ericosiu X: / ericosiu

Ethan Smith runs Graphite, the SEO & AEO company that helps brands like Webflow show up on Google's page one and ChatGPT's first answer. This is how he does it Ethan Smith is the founder and CEO of Graphite, a growth and SEO firm that's now pioneering Answer Engine Optimization—helping brands rank inside AI-generated responses. More interviews -> https://mixergy.com/moreint Rate this interview -> https://mixergy.com/rateint

This episode features Tami Cannizzaro, Chief Marketing Officer at Thryv, a software company helping small business owners run and grow their businesses with AI-powered tools. Tami shares how her team focuses on revenue first and builds marketing strategies around what drives impact for SMBs.She discusses the shift from traditional SEO to AEO and why speed and originality now define effective marketing. Key TakeawaysAEO and AI are redefining how customers find brands online: Learn how to optimize for AI-driven discovery so your brand appears in conversational search and LLM-generated results.Fresh, original content outperforms repurposed AI blogs: The fastest way to lose visibility is to sound like everyone else. Originality and recency are now ranking factors in AI search.First-mover advantage in AI tools can create outsized revenue impact: Early adopters capture learnings and market share before competitors adapt.Quote“Anytime there's something new in marketing, if you can be a first mover and jump on it before everyone else figures it out, there's a real opportunity to drive revenue from that.”Episode Timestamps(02:28) The Trust Tree: Supporting SMBs(17:12) The Playbook: ABM, AEO, and social ads (37:34) Quick Hits: Tami's Quick HitsSponsorPipeline Visionaries is brought to you by Qualified.com — the pipeline generation platform for revenue teams.Turn your website into a pipeline machine with PipelineAI. Engage and convert your most valuable visitors with live chat, chatbots, meeting scheduling, and intent data.Visit Qualified.com to learn more.LinksConnect with Ian on LinkedInConnect with Tami on LinkedInLearn more about ThryvLearn more about Caspian Studios Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

If you thought SEO was complicated…meet its AI-powered cousin.In this episode, Carly and Joe break down the buzzword that dominated INBOUND, AEO (AI Engine Optimization), and explain what it actually means for solopreneurs. Spoiler: it's not about gaming algorithms or chasing clicks. It's about making sure your voice, ideas, and frameworks show up when AI tools like ChatGPT, Perplexity, and Google Gemini answer your audience's questions.You'll learn:What AEO really is (and what it isn't)The small tweaks that help your content stand out in AI search resultsWhy clarity > cleverness in your copyAnd why human connection still beats machine optimization every timeIf you've ever wondered how to future-proof your visibility without losing your authenticity, this one's for you.FAQs From The EpisodeWhat's the difference between SEO and AEO, and do I really need both? SEO helps search engines (like Google) find you. AEO helps AI engines (like ChatGPT or Perplexity) understand and surface your content. While SEO is still valuable, AEO focuses more on structure, clarity, and credibility signals that make AI choose you as the source when answering questions. You don't need to overhaul everything. Just start optimizing for both audiences: humans and machines.I'm a coach/consultant/service provider. Does AEO even matter for me? For most solopreneurs, relationships and referrals still drive the majority of business. But AEO is a long-term play. If someone asks an AI tool, “Who's the best productivity coach for solopreneurs?” or “What's the SMOOTH method?”—you want your name, content, or frameworks to appear. It's not urgent, but it's smart to start now so you're discoverable later.What's one simple AEO tweak I can make today? Add an FAQ section (like this!) to your website or blog posts. AI scrapes well-structured Q&A content, and it's one of the easiest ways to signal authority. Bonus tip: use clear, direct language over clever wording. AI prioritizes clarity, and so do readers.

Unlock how AI can quietly build your authority—and your pipeline—while you sleep. Michael sits down with AI strategist Tiffany Marroquín to break down the shift from traditional SEO to AEO (AI Engine Optimization) so you can start showing up as the trusted answer when clients ask tools like ChatGPT, Gemini, and Perplexity for the best luxury agents. You'll hear practical moves you can implement this week: tighten and unify your bios across platforms, build an AEO-friendly content hub with data-backed guides, structure your reviews and pages with schema, post FAQs that mirror real client questions, and leverage LinkedIn, YouTube transcripts, Reddit, and Quora for high-trust signals. Tiffany also shares a rapid workflow—record a 3–5 minute weekly voice memo and spin it into blogs, emails, shorts, and captions—plus how custom GPTs and agent-style automations can research competitors and keep you consistently visible. Want to raise your average sale price and dominate high-end listings? Join the in-person LUXE Designation training on November 19 (bonus mansion tour!). Details and savings at LuxuryDesignation.com/Chicago.

Learn how today's guest went from eBay to AI-driven marketing. Discover his secrets to LinkedIn growth, UGC blitz campaigns, trade show ROI, and mastering AEO optimization. Rob Stanley, a trailblazer in the e-commerce realm since the late '90s, shares his unique journey from selling parts for Palm Pilots on eBay to pioneering iPhone repair sales via YouTube. With nearly three decades of experience, Rob uncovers the secrets behind maximizing LinkedIn presence and the power of user-generated content strategies. He also recounts his remarkable transformation from being the "money man" to collaborating with companies challenging giants like Shopify. His stories are not just about past achievements but offer a roadmap for today's e-commerce professionals looking to make a mark in a dynamic industry. Our conversation takes an exciting turn as we explore the captivating world of trade shows and the art of standing out. Rob shares vivid anecdotes on how to create unforgettable trade show experiences, emphasizing the need for creative hooks and interactive booth presentations to capture attendees' attention. Further, we dive into the art of crafting compelling LinkedIn posts that spur engagement, complete with insights on using varied content types and scheduling tools to maintain a vibrant online presence. With Rob's clever strategies, listeners will find themselves equipped with the tools to transform their LinkedIn and trade show tactics into genuine business growth. In the final segment, Rob and Kevin explore the future of e-commerce, with a spotlight on AI optimization tools and emerging trends. We discuss the innovative potential of Super User-Generated Content and the evolution of e-commerce platforms, such as Miva. Rob offers compelling insights into how AI tools are reshaping search engine strategies, ensuring that brands stay visible in an increasingly digital world. From driverless technology to the evolution of sales dynamics, Rob's expert perspective provides a glimpse into the future, urging listeners to stay ahead of the curve in this ever-evolving landscape.  In episode 471 of the AM/PM Podcast, Kevin and Rob discuss: 00:00 - E-Commerce Journey With The "Money Man" Rob Stanley 07:51 - Discussion on Trade Shows and Feedback 08:46 - Maximizing Trade Show ROI 14:00 - Standing Out at Trade Shows 18:23 - Maximizing LinkedIn for E-Commerce Success 20:01 - Maximizing LinkedIn Engagement Strategies 24:41 - Promoting Brands and Products on LinkedIn 31:06 - Strategic Super UGC Marketing Blitz 38:11 - E-Commerce Industry Trends and Insights 44:33 - AI Optimization Tools for E-Commerce 48:47 - Chat GPT and AEO Rise 53:40 - Evolution of E-Commerce and AI 55:10 - Social Media Reach Out Tips

What happens when the ancient magic of theatre meets the disruptive energy of artificial intelligence? In this episode of The Tech Talks Daily Podcast, I sit down with Emmy-nominated producer and 440 Media founder Jeffery Keilholtz to unpack how AI is reshaping entertainment, licensing, and the very soul of live performance. From his time leading Broadway Licensing Global, home to thousands of acclaimed titles including Harry Potter and the Cursed Child, Jeffery brings a rare blend of creative and commercial insight to one of the most transformative moments in entertainment history. Our conversation explores how live entertainment faces twin challenges of visibility and scarcity in a digital age. As Jeffery explains, the rise of ChatGPT has changed how people search, discover, and decide what to see, forcing a shift from SEO to AEO, or Answer Engine Optimization. Yet even as AI floods the world with abundance, theatre's scarcity, that irreplaceable “live, local, urgent” energy, is becoming more precious than ever. Together we examine how AI can simultaneously empower and endanger creative industries, from copyright battles worth billions to the promise of smarter audience engagement and new paths to discover hidden works. Jeffery also shares his framework for balancing technology and artistry, urging creators to stay nimble like a blade of grass. He argues that surviving this era of AI-driven disruption requires humility, flexibility, and a renewed belief in human connection. It's a powerful reminder that the heartbeat of theatre, and perhaps of creativity itself, still belongs to people gathered together in the same room, sharing something that can never be replicated by a machine. How do you see AI reshaping the arts and entertainment world? Is it an existential threat to creativity or the tool that will help artists reach new heights? I'd love to hear your thoughts.