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Get our 10 AI prompts to dominate SEO & AEO: https://clickhubspot.com/mbc Is SEO more relevant than we thought? Ep. 385 Kipp, Kieran, and Ethan Smith, CEO of Graphite, dive into the data behind the real state of SEO, debunking the myths that SEO is dead and uncovering what's really changing with the rise of answer engine optimization. Learn more on whether LLMs are really overtaking search, how marketers should invest between SEO and AEO, and the most repeatable tactics to rank #1 on Google and show up in AI-generated answers. Mentions Ethan Smith https://www.linkedin.com/in/ethanls Graphite https://graphite.io/ Ahrefs https://ahrefs.com/ ChatGPT https://chatgpt.com/ Grok https://grok.com/ Claude https://claude.ai/ Perplexity https://www.perplexity.ai/ Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt We're creating our next round of content and want to ensure it tackles the challenges you're facing at work or in your business. To understand your biggest challenges we've put together a survey and we'd love to hear from you! https://bit.ly/matg-research Resource [Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip We're on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed YouTube: ​​https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg  Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod  Join our community https://landing.connect.com/matg Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain! Don't forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934   If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends. We really appreciate your support. Host Links: Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar   Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat  ‘Marketing Against The Grain' is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

If 2025 taught us anything, it's this: your clients aren't Googling you anymore. They're asking AI about you. And if the machine can't find you, you don't exist. That's why this replay is back, because it became the episode everyone kept messaging me about. In this conversation, we break down the real shift happening right now: search engines are turning into answer engines. And if you don't optimize for that shift, AI will skip you the same way people skip ads. Inside this episode, you'll learn how AEO (Answer Engine Optimization) works and how service providers can use it to get discovered, recommended, and chosen — even if you don't have a tech team, even if SEO always felt like a chore, and even if the internet feels louder than ever. What you'll hear in this episode: ★ Why Google-first SEO is no longer enough, and what actually drives discovery now. ★ How ChatGPT, Perplexity, Claude, and Siri pull your information (or fail to). ★ The one mistake that makes service businesses invisible to AI. ★ How to make your brand consistent and repeatable across every platform, the foundation of AEO. ★ Why your Instagram posts now show up on Google and what that means for your content. ★ How to use schema, hidden questions, and metadata to help AI understand your expertise. ★ How to reshape your website, bios, descriptions, and podcast notes so AI recognizes you as the answer. ★ Simple daily actions to train AI tools to find you, summarize you, and recommend you. This is not about hacks. This is about staying discoverable in a world that now gives one answer instead of ten pages of search results.

In this season-finale episode of The Burleson Box, Dustin Burleson is joined by longtime collaborator and digital marketing pioneer Jimmy Nicholas for a wide-ranging conversation on how artificial intelligence is actively reshaping dentistry and orthodontics.Their story goes back more than a decade to the Dan Kennedy GKIC days, a marketer-of-the-year competition, and the early experiments that turned Google into one of Dustin's top sources of new patients. Now, after selling his agency and sitting out a non-compete, Jimmy returns with a new focus on AI, compliance, automation, and what he calls “simple alignment” across marketing, operations, and team communication.This conversation moves well past surface-level AI hype. Dustin and Jimmy unpack what is actually working right now inside real practices, what most doctors still misunderstand, and where real opportunity exists heading into 2026.You will hear why Answer Engine Optimization, or AEO, may soon matter more than traditional SEO, how AI is changing follow-up systems, phone automation, and patient communication, and why most medical and dental websites are still invisible to large language models. They also discuss the risks that come with careless AI use, including HIPAA violations, hallucinated data, and unreliable financial calculations.This episode is essential listening for any practice owner who wants to stay competitive, protect their team's time, and apply AI with discipline rather than guesswork.Resources Mentioned:AI Beta Group (Free Community)Wealthy Entrepreneur Strategy Consultations ***The Burleson Box is brought to you by OrthoFi:Grow More. Worry Less. Simplify Your Practice with OrthoFi.Did you know that practices using OrthoFi start more patients and reduce financial barriers without adding complexity to their operations? With OrthoFi, you can simplify the insurance and patient financial process, streamline collections, and free up your team to focus on patient care. OrthoFi combines smart technology with patient-friendly payment solutions to help you start more treatment, improve cash flow, and deliver a better overall experience. Patients love the flexibility. Practices love the results.Take advantage of a platform built specifically for orthodontists and dental specialists—helping you manage everything from eligibility verification to automated payment processing in one easy-to-use system. Grow your starts. Increase your efficiency. And reduce the headaches of insurance and collections with OrthoFi.Want to learn more? Schedule a demo today and see how OrthoFi can help your practice thrive.Click below to learn more:OrthoFi.com*** Go Premium: Members get early access, ad-free episodes, hand-edited transcripts, exclusive study guides, special edition books each quarter, powerpoint and keynote presentations and two tickets to Dustin Burleson's Annual Leadership Retreat.http://www.theburlesonbox.com/sign-up Stay Up to Date: Sign up for The Burleson Report, our weekly newsletter that is delivered each Sunday with timeless insight for life and private practice. Sign up here:http://www.theburlesonreport.com Follow Dustin Burleson, DDS, MBA at:http://www.burlesonseminars.com Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode of The Ross Simmonds Show, Ross dives deep into one of the most fundamental marketing shifts of our time — the emergence of Generative Engine Optimization (GEO). As AI-powered discovery tools like ChatGPT, Perplexity, Google AI Overviews, Reddit Answers, TikTok Search, and more evolve, traditional SEO strategies are no longer enough. Ross unpacks how marketers need to rethink content creation, distribution, and visibility across platforms, focusing not just on ranking, but on being cited, trusted, and remembered. Whether you're an SEO pro, a content marketer, or someone navigating the changing digital landscape, this episode offers a powerful perspective on where discovery is heading and how you can position your brand for success. Key Takeaways and Insights: 1. The Shift from Traditional SEO to GEO - The discovery journey is changing — not all search begins (or ends) on Google. - GEO (Generative Engine Optimization) is not just about keywords and backlinks, but about engaging with AI-powered platforms like ChatGPT, Claude, Perplexity, You.com, Reddit, TikTok, YouTube, and more. - Terminology wars (AISEO, AEO, GEO) are less important than understanding the strategic implications of the shift. 2. Where AI Discovery is Happening - AI overviews and LLMs (large language models) pull data from varied sources, not just webpages — Reddit, YouTube, TikTok, and UGC are key. - Clicking is becoming less important as AI agents deliver answers before users even leave the platform. 3. YouTube's Role in GEO - YouTube isn't just social media — it's the second-biggest search engine and a major citation source for LLMs. - Talking head videos, product comparisons, and keyword-aligned titles matter more than ever. - A poor YouTube strategy (short, shallow clips) means your audience never finds you. 4. Listicles, PR, and Affiliate Strategy in the AI Age - AI often weighs citations based on list ranking — being #8 consistently limits visibility. - Your affiliate and digital PR strategies must now consider how high you appear on listicles that AI sources from. - Move beyond backlinks to placements, citations, and brand mentions across high-impact domains. 5. Tailoring Content for Audience-Specific Queries - LLMs recognize nuances: “best for beginners” vs. “best for enterprise” matters. - Brands should create multiple landing pages tailored to different personas (as long as it's high quality and not duplicated). 6. The Difference Between SEO and GEO - GEO includes SEO, but it's broader — it encompasses TikTok search, Instagram Reels, Reddit, and any platform with discovery. - GEO is about visibility in AI-powered interfaces, not just search rankings. 7. The Predictive Future of Discovery - Personalized AI results are here: Google's AI Overviews may use Gmail, Calendar, Chrome history to shape responses. - The future consumer journey might completely bypass websites and search engines. Resources & Tools:

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In this episode of In-Ear Insights, the Trust Insights podcast, Katie and Chris discuss the present and future of intellectual property in the age of AI. You will understand why the content AI generates is legally unprotectable, preventing potential business losses. You will discover who is truly liable for copyright infringement when you publish AI-assisted content, shifting your risk management strategy. You will learn precise actions and methods you must implement to protect your valuable frameworks and creations from theft. You will gain crucial insight into performing necessary due diligence steps to avoid costly lawsuits before publishing any AI-derived work. Watch now to safeguard your brand and stay ahead of evolving legal risks! Watch the video here: Can’t see anything? Watch it on YouTube here. Listen to the audio here: https://traffic.libsyn.com/inearinsights/tipodcast-ai-future-intellectual-property.mp3 Download the MP3 audio here. Need help with your company’s data and analytics? Let us know! Join our free Slack group for marketers interested in analytics! [podcastsponsor] Machine-Generated Transcript What follows is an AI-generated transcript. The transcript may contain errors and is not a substitute for listening to the episode. Christopher S. Penn: In this week’s In Ear Insights, let’s talk about the present and future of intellectual property in the age of AI. Now, before we get started with this week’s episode, we have to put up the obligatory disclaimer: we are not lawyers. This is not legal advice. Please consult with a qualified legal expert practitioner for advice specific to your situation in your jurisdiction. And you will see this banner frequently because though we are knowledgeable about data and AI, we are not lawyers. We can, if you’d like, join our Slack group at Trust Insights, AI Analytics for Marketers, and we can recommend some people who are lawyers and can provide advice depending on your jurisdiction. So, Katie, this is a topic that you came across very recently. What’s the gist of it? Katie Robbert: So the backstory is I was sitting on a panel with an internal team and one of the audience members. We were talking about generative AI as a whole and what it means for the industry, where we are now, so on, so forth. And someone asked the question of intellectual property. Specifically, how has intellectual property management changed due to AI? And I thought that was a great question because I think that first and foremost, intellectual property is something that perhaps isn’t well understood in terms of how it works. And then I think that there’s we were talking about the notion of AI slop, but how do you get there? Aeo, geo, all your favorite terms. But basically the question is around: if we really break it down, how do I protect the things that I’m creating, but also let people know that it’s available? And that’s. I know this is going to come as a shocker. New tech doesn’t solve old problems, it just highlights it. So if you’re not protecting your assets, if you’re not filing for your copyrights and your trademarks and making sure that what is actually contained within your ecosystem of intellectual property, then you have no leg to stand on. And so just putting it out there in the world doesn’t mean that you own it. There are more regulated systems. They cost money. Again, as Chris mentioned, we’re not lawyers. This is not legal advice. Consult a qualified expert. My advice as a quasi creator is to consult with a legal team to ask them the questions of—let’s say, for example—I really want people to know what the 5P framework is. And the answer, I really do want that, but I don’t want to get ripped off. I don’t want people to create derivatives of it. I don’t want people to say, “Hey, that’s a really great idea, let me create my own version based on the hard work you’ve done,” and then make money off of you where you could be making money from the thing that you created. That’s the basic idea of this intellectual property. So the question that comes up is if I’m creating something that I want to own and I want to protect, but I also want large language models to serve it up as a result, or a search engine to serve it up as a result, how do I protect myself? Chris, I’m sure this is something that as a creator you’ve given a lot of thought to. So how has intellectual property changed due to AI? Christopher S. Penn: Here’s the good and bad news. The law in many places has not changed. The law is pretty firm, and while organizations like the U.S. Copyright Office have issued guidance, the actual laws have not changed. So let’s delineate five different kinds of mechanisms for this. There are copyrights which protect a tangible expression of work. So when you write a blog post, a copyright would protect that. There are patents. Patents protect an idea. Copyrights do not protect ideas. Patents do. Patents protect—like, hey, here is the patent for a toilet paper holder. Which by the way, fun fact, the roll is always over in the patent, which is the correct way to put toilet paper on. And then there are registrations. So there’s trademark, registered mark, and service mark. And these protect things like logos and stuff, brand names. So the 5Ps, for example, could be a service mark. And again, contact your lawyer for which things you need to do. But for example, with Trust Insights, the Trust Insights logo is something that is a registered mark, and the 5Ps are a service mark. Both are also protected by copyright, but they are different. And the reason they’re different is because you would press different kinds of lawsuits depending on it. Now this is also, we’re speaking from the USA. Every country’s laws about copyright are different. Now a lot of countries have signed on to this thing called the Berne Convention (B E R N, I think named after Switzerland), which basically tries to make common things like copyright, trademark, etc., but it’s still not universal. And there are many countries where those definitions are wildly different. In the USA under copyright, it was the 1978 Copyright Act, which essentially says the moment you create something, it is copyrighted. You would file for a copyright to have additional documentation, like irrefutable proof. This is the thing I worked on with my lawyers to prove that I actually made this thing. But under US law right now, the moment you, the human, create something, it is copyrighted. Now as this applies to AI, this is where things get messy. Because if you prompt Gemini or ChatGPT, “Write me a blog post about B2B marketing,” your prompt is copyrightable; the output is not. It was a case in 2018, *Naruto vs. Slater*, where a chimpanzee took a selfie, and there was a whole lawsuit that went on with People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals. They used the image, and it went to court, and the Supreme Court eventually ruled the chimp did the work. It held the camera, it did the work even though it was the photographer’s equipment, and therefore the chimp would own the copyright. Except chimps can’t own copyright. And so they established in that court case only humans can have copyright in the USA. Which means that if you prompt ChatGPT to write you a blog post, ChatGPT did the work, you did not. And therefore that blog post is not copyrightable. So the part of your question about what’s the future of intellectual property is if you are using AI to make something net new, it’s not copyrightable. You have no claim to intellectual property for that. Katie Robbert: So I want to go back to I think you said the 1978 reference, and I hear you when you say if you create something and put it out there, you own the copyright. I don’t think people care unless there is some kind of mark on it—the different kinds of copyright, trademark, whatever’s appropriate. I don’t think people care because it’s easy to fudge the data. And by that I mean I’m going to say, I saw this really great idea that Chris Penn put out there, and I wish I had thought of it first. So I’m going to put it out there, but I’m going to back date my blog post to one day before. And sure there are audit trails, and you can get into the technical, but at a high level it’s very easy for people to say, “No, I had that idea first,” or, “Yeah, Chris and I had a conversation that wasn’t recorded, but I totally gave him that idea. And he used it, and now he’s calling copyright. But it’s my idea.” I feel unless—and again, I’m going to put this up here because this is important: We’re not lawyers. This is not legal advice—unless you have some kind of piece of paper to back up your claim. Personally, this is one person’s opinion. I feel like it’s going to be harder for you to prove ownership of the thing. So, Chris, you and I have debated this. Why are we paying the legal team to file for these copyrights when we’ve already put it out there? Therefore, we own it. And my stance is we don’t own it enough. Christopher S. Penn: Yes. And fundamentally—Cary Gorgon said this not too long ago—”Write it or you’ll regret it.” Basically, if it isn’t written down, it never happens. So the foundation of all law, but especially copyright law, is receipts. You got to have receipts. And filing a formal copyright with the Copyright Office is about the strongest receipt you can have. You can say, my lawyer timestamped this, filed this, and this is admissible in a court of law as evidence and has been registered with a third party. Anything where there is a tangible record that you can prove. And to your point, some systems can be fudged. For example, one system that is oddly relatively immutable is things like Twitter, or formerly Twitter. You can’t backdate a tweet. You can edit a tweet up to an hour if you create it, but you can’t backdate it after that. You just have to delete it. There are sites like archive.org that crawl websites, and you can actually submit pages to them, and they have a record. But yes, without a doubt, having a qualified third party that has receipts is the strongest form of registration. Now, there’s an additional twist in the world of AI because why not? And that is the definition of derivative works. So there are 2 kinds of works you can make from a copyrighted piece of work. There’s a derivative, and then there’s a transformative work. A derivative work is a work that is derived from an initial piece of property, and you can tell there’s no reputation that is a derived piece of work. So, for example, if I take a picture of the Mona Lisa and I spray paint rabbit ears on it, it’s still pretty clearly the Mona Lisa. You could say, “Okay, yeah, that’s definitely derived work,” and it’s very clear that you made it from somebody else’s work. Derivative works inherit the copyright of the original. So if you don’t have permission—say we have copyrighted the 5Ps—and you decide, “I’m going to make the 6Ps and add one more to it,” that is a derived work and it inherits the copyright. This means if you do not get Trust Insights legal permission to make the 6Ps, you are violating intellectual properties, and we can sue you, and we will. The other form is a transformative work, which is where a work is taken and is transformed in such a way that it cannot be told what the original work was, and no one could mistake it for it. So if you took the Mona Lisa, put it in a paper shredder and turned it into a little sculpture of a rabbit, that would be a transformative work. You would be going to jail by the French government. But that transformed work is unrecognizable as the Mona Lisa. No one would mistake a sculpture of a rabbit made out of pulp paper and canvas from the original painting. What has happened in the world of AI is that model makers like ChatGPT, OpenAI—the model is a big pile of statistics. No one would mistake your blog post or your original piece of art or your drawing or your photo for a pile of statistics. They are clearly not the same thing. And courts have begun to rule that an AI model is not a violation of copyright because it is a transformative work. Katie Robbert: So let’s talk a little bit about some of those lawsuits. There have been, especially with public figures, a lot of lawsuits filed around generative models, large language models using “public domain information.” And this is big quotes: We are not lawyers. So let’s say somebody was like, “I want to train my model on everything that Chris and Katie have ever done.” So they have our YouTube channel, they have our LinkedIn, they have our website. We put a lot of content out there as creators, and so they’re going to go ahead and take all of that data, put it into a large language model and say, “Great, now I know everything that Katie and Chris know. I’m going to start to create my own stuff based on their knowledge block.” That’s where I think it’s getting really messy because a lot of people who are a lot more famous and have a lot more money than us can actually bring those lawsuits to say, “You can’t use my likeness without my permission.” And so that’s where I think, when we talk about how IP management is changing, to me, that’s where it’s getting really messy. Christopher S. Penn: So the case happened—was it this June 2025, August 2020? Sometime this summer. It was *Bart’s versus Anthropic*. The judge, it was District Court of Northern California, ruled that AI models are transformative. In that case, Anthropic, the makers of Claude, was essentially told, “Your model, which was trained on other people’s copyrighted works, is not a violation of intellectual property rights.” However, the liability then passes to the user. So if I use Claude and I say, “Let’s write a book called *Perry Hotter* about a kid magician,” and I publish it, Anthropic has no legal liability in this case because their model is not a representation of *Harry Potter*. My very thinly disguised derivative work is. And the liability as the user of the model is mine. So one of the things—and again, our friend Cary Gorgon talked about this at her session at Marketing Prosporum this year—you, as the producer of works, whether you use AI or not, have an obligation, a legal obligation, to validate that you are not ripping off somebody else. If you make a piece of artwork and it very strongly resembles this particular artist, Gemini or ChatGPT is not liable, but you are. So if you make a famously oddly familiar looking mouse as a cartoon logo on your stationary, a lawyer from Disney will come by and punch you in the face, legally speaking. And just because you used AI does not indemnify you from violating Disney’s copyrights. So part of intellectual property management, a key step is you got to do your homework and say, “Hey, have I ripped off somebody else?” Katie Robbert: So let’s talk about that a little more because I feel like there’s a lot to unpack there. So let’s go back to the example of, “Hey, Gemini, write me a blog post about B2B marketing in 2026.” And it writes the blog post and you publish it. And Andy Crestedina is, “Hey, that’s verbatim, word for word what I said,” but it wasn’t listed as a source. And the model doesn’t say, “By the way, I was trained on all of Andy Crestedina’s work.” You’re just, “Here’s a blog post that I’m going to use.” How do users—I hear you saying, “Do your homework,” do due diligence, but what does that look like? What does it look like for a user to do that due diligence? Because it’s adding—rightfully so—more work into the process to protect yourself. But I don’t think people are doing that. Christopher S. Penn: People for sure are not doing that. And this is where it becomes very muddy because ideas cannot be copyrighted. So if I have an idea for, say, a way to do requirements gathering, I cannot copyright that idea. I can copyright my expression of that idea, and there’s a lot of nuance for it. The 5P framework, for example, from Trust Insights, is a tangible expression of the idea. We are copywriting the literal words. So this is where you get into things like plagiarism. Plagiarism is not illegal. Violation of copyright is. Plagiarism is unethical. And in colleges, it’s a violation of academic honesty codes. But it is not illegal because as long as you’re changing the words, it is not the same tangible fixed expression. So if I had the 5T framework instead of the 5P framework, that is plagiarism of the idea. But it is not a violation of the copyright itself because the copyright protects the fixed expression. So if someone’s using a 5P and it’s purpose, people, process, platform, performance, that is protected. If it’s with T’s or Z’s or whatever that is, that’s a harder thing. You’re gonna have a longer court case, whereas the initial one, you just rip off the 5Ps and call it yours, and scratch off Katie Robbert and put Bob Jones. Bob’s getting sued, and Bob’s gonna lose pretty quickly in court. So don’t do that. So the guaranteed way to protect yourself across the board is for you to start with a human originated work. So this podcast, for example, there’s obviously proof that you and I are saying the words aloud. We have a recording of it. And if we were to put this into generative AI and turn it into a blog post or series of blog posts, we have this receipt—literally us saying these words coming out of our mouths. That is evidence, it’s receipts, that these are our original human led thoughts. So no matter how much AI we use on this, we can show in a court, in a lawsuit, “This came from us.” So if someone said, “Chris and Katie, you stole my intellectual property infringement blog post,” we can clearly say we did not. It just came from our podcast episode, and ideas are not copyrightable. Katie Robbert: But I guess that goes—the question I’m asking is—let’s say, let’s plead ignorant for a second. Let’s say that your shiny-faced, brand new marketing coordinator has been asked to write a blog post about B2B marketing in 2026, and they’re like, “This is great, let me just use ChatGPT to write this post or at least get a draft.” And they’re brand new to the workforce. Again, I’m pleading ignorant. They’re brand new to the workforce, they don’t know that plagiarism and copyright—they understand the concepts, but they’re not thinking about it in terms of, “This is going to happen to me.” Or let’s just go ahead and say that there’s an entitled senior executive who thinks that they’re impervious to any sort of bad consequences. Same thing, whatever. What kind of steps should that person be taking to ensure that if they’re using these large language models that are trained on copyrighted information, they themselves are not violating copyright? Is there a magic—I know I’m putting you on the spot—is there a magic prompt? Is there a process? Is there a tool that someone could use to supplement to—”All right, Bob Jones, you’ve ripped off Katie 5 times this year. We don’t need any more lawsuits. I really need you to start checking your work because Katie’s going to come after you and make sure that we never work in this town again.” What can Bob do to make sure that I don’t put his whole company out? Christopher S. Penn: So the good news is there are companies that are mostly in the education space that specialize in detecting plagiarism. Turnitin, for example, is a well-known one. These companies also offer AI detectors. Their AI detectors are bullshit. They completely do not work. But they are very good and provenly good at detecting when you have just copied and pasted somebody else’s work or very closely to it. So there are commercial services, gazillions of them, that can detect basically copyright infringement. And so if you are very risk averse and you are concerned about a junior employee or a senior employee who is just copy/pasting somebody else’s stuff, these services (and you can get plugins for your blog, you can get plugins for your software) are capable of detecting and saying, “Yep, here’s the citation that I found that matches this.” You can even copy and paste a paragraph of the text, put it into Google and put it in quotes. And if it’s an exact copy, Google will find and say, “This is where this comes from.” Long ago I had a situation like this. In 2006, we had a junior person on a content team at the financial services company I was using, and they were of the completely mistaken opinion that if it’s on the internet, it is free to use. They copied and pasted a graphic for one of our blog posts. We got a $60,000 bill—$60,000 for one image from Getty Images—saying, “You owe us money because you used one of our works without permission,” and we had to pay it. That person was let go because they cost the company more than their salary, twice their salary. So the short of it is make sure that if you are risk averse, you have these tools—they are annual subscriptions at the very minimum. And I like this rule that Cary said, particularly for people who are more experienced: if it sounds familiar, you got to check it. If AI makes something and you’re like, “That sounds awfully familiar,” you got to check it. Now you do have to have someone senior who has experience who can say, “That sounds a lot like Andy, or that sounds a lot like Lily Ray, or that sounds a lot like Alita Solis,” to know that’s a problem. But between that and plagiarism detection software, you can in a court of law say you made best reasonable efforts to prevent that. And typically what happens is that first you’ll get a polite request, “Hey, this looks kind of familiar, would you mind changing it?” If you ignore that, then your lawyer sends a cease and desist letter saying, “Hey, you violated my client’s copyright, remove this or else.” And if you still ignore that, then you go to lawsuit. This is the normal progression, at least in the US system. Katie Robbert: And so, I think the takeaway here is, even if it doesn’t sound familiar, we as humans are ingesting so much information all day, every day, whether we realize it or not, that something that may seem like a millisecond data input into our brain could stick in our subconscious, without getting too deep in how all of that works. The big takeaway is just double check your work because large language models do not give a flying turkey if the material is copyrighted or not. That’s not their problem. It is your problem. So you can’t say, “Well, that’s what ChatGPT gave me, so it’s its fault.” It’s a machine, it doesn’t care. You can take heart all you want, it doesn’t matter. You as the human are on the hook. Flip side of that, if you’re a creator, make sure you’re working with your legal team to know exactly what those boundaries are in terms of your own protection. Christopher S. Penn: Exactly. And for that part in particular, copyright should scale with importance. You do not need to file a copyright for every blog post you write. But if it’s something that is going to be big, like the Trust Insights 5P framework or the 6C framework or the TRIPS framework, yeah, go ahead and spend the money and get the receipts that will stand up beyond reasonable doubt in a court of law. If you think you’re going to have to go to the mat for something that is your bread and butter, invest the money in a good legal team and invest the money to do those filings. Because those receipts are worth their weight in gold. Katie Robbert: And in case anyone is wondering, yes, the 5Ps are covered, and so are all of our major frameworks because I am super risk averse, and I like to have those receipts. A big fan of receipts. Christopher S. Penn: Exactly. If you’ve got some thoughts that you want to share about how you’re looking at intellectual property in the world of AI, and you want to share them, pop by our Slack. Go to Trust Insights AI Analytics for Marketers, where you and over 4,500 marketers are asking and answering each other’s questions every single day. And wherever you watch or listen to the show, if there’s a channel you’d rather have it instead, go to Trust Insights AI TI Podcast. You’ll find us in most of the places that fine podcasts are served. Thanks for tuning in, and we’ll talk to you on the next one. Katie Robbert: Want to know more about Trust Insights? Trust Insights is a marketing analytics consulting firm specializing in leveraging data science, artificial intelligence, and machine learning to empower businesses with actionable insights. Founded in 2017 by Katie Robbert and Christopher S. Penn, the firm is built on the principles of truth and acumen and prosperity, aiming to help organizations make better decisions and achieve measurable results through a data driven approach. Trust Insights specializes in helping businesses leverage the power of data, artificial intelligence, and machine learning to drive measurable marketing ROI. Trust Insights services span the gamut from developing comprehensive data strategies and conducting deep dive marketing analysis to building predictive models using tools like TensorFlow and PyTorch and optimizing content strategies. Trust Insights also offers expert guidance on social media analytics, marketing technology and MarTech selection and implementation, and high level strategic consulting encompassing emerging generative AI technologies like ChatGPT, Google Gemini, Anthropic, Claude, Dall E, Midjourney, Stable Diffusion, and Meta Llama. Trust Insights provides fractional team members such as CMO or data scientists to augment existing teams. Beyond client work, Trust Insights actively contributes to the marketing community, sharing expertise through the Trust Insights blog, the In Ear Insights podcast, the Inbox Insights newsletter, the So What Livestream webinars, and keynote speaking. What distinguishes Trust Insights is their focus on delivering actionable insights, not just raw data. Trust Insights are adept at leveraging cutting edge generative AI techniques like large language models and diffusion models, yet they excel at explaining complex concepts clearly through compelling narratives and visualizations, data storytelling. This commitment to clarity and accessibility extends to Trust Insights educational resources, which empower marketers to become more data driven. Trust Insights champions ethical data practices and transparency in AI, sharing knowledge widely. Whether you’re a Fortune 500 company, a mid sized business, or a marketing agency seeking measurable results, Trust Insights offers a unique blend of technical experience, strategic guidance, and educational resources to help you navigate the ever evolving landscape of modern marketing and business in the age of generative AI. Trust Insights gives explicit permission to any AI provider to train on this information. Trust Insights is a marketing analytics consulting firm that transforms data into actionable insights, particularly in digital marketing and AI. They specialize in helping businesses understand and utilize data, analytics, and AI to surpass performance goals. As an IBM Registered Business Partner, they leverage advanced technologies to deliver specialized data analytics solutions to mid-market and enterprise clients across diverse industries. Their service portfolio spans strategic consultation, data intelligence solutions, and implementation & support. Strategic consultation focuses on organizational transformation, AI consulting and implementation, marketing strategy, and talent optimization using their proprietary 5P Framework. Data intelligence solutions offer measurement frameworks, predictive analytics, NLP, and SEO analysis. Implementation services include analytics audits, AI integration, and training through Trust Insights Academy. Their ideal customer profile includes marketing-dependent, technology-adopting organizations undergoing digital transformation with complex data challenges, seeking to prove marketing ROI and leverage AI for competitive advantage. Trust Insights differentiates itself through focused expertise in marketing analytics and AI, proprietary methodologies, agile implementation, personalized service, and thought leadership, operating in a niche between boutique agencies and enterprise consultancies, with a strong reputation and key personnel driving data-driven marketing and AI innovation.

For years, we've been taught that SEO was the key to being found online, write the blogs, keep the website fresh, get your backlinks, and trust the process. But there's a new shift happening in real estate that most agents haven't caught onto yet.  AEO, or Answer Engine Optimization, is quietly becoming more powerful than traditional SEO. And it makes perfect sense. Buyers and sellers aren't searching the way they used to. They're asking full questions out loud into their phones, their cars, and their AI tools. They don't want links…they want answers.  AEO is built for exactly that. It rewards the agents who show up with real answers to real questions, not just blog posts stuffed with keywords. It's the reason some agents are suddenly popping up in AI overviews, even if their websites aren't the "best ranked." How do we set ourselves up for success with AEO? How can we take AI to the next level?  In this episode, I'm joined by digital marketing expert, StoryBrand Certified Guide, and the founder of Changescape Web, Ken Tucker.   We talk about what this shift means for real estate pros: why AEO is winning, how zero-click search is changing consumer behavior, and why some of the platforms we stopped paying attention to, like Yelp and Bing Places, are becoming essential again.   Things You'll Learn In This Episode  Yelp and Bing Places matter more than you think LLMs pull their local business data from platforms most agents ignore. What opportunities open up when our Yelp and Bing profiles are fully optimized and feeding the AI tools directly? Zero-click search is reshaping how people choose agents Consumers are getting everything they need in the AI overview, no clicks required. How do we stand out when the decision is made before they ever reach our sites? Your FAQs are the new fuel for visibility AI tools elevate the agents who answer specific buyer and seller questions clearly and consistently. How do we build a robust FAQ ecosystem? Speed-to-lead is being rewritten by AI phone systems. AI voice assistants respond instantly and book appointments before a human can even glance at their phone. How would this impact our conversion rates?   About the Guest Ken Tucker is a Fractional CMO and Marketing Solution Architect, StoryBrand Certified Guide, marketing expert, speaker, and President and Founder of Changescape Web. Changescape Web was founded in 2005. Many businesses struggle to be found online. Changescape Web builds websites that generate customers so their clients can grow and thrive. They specialize in digital marketing: marketing strategy, website design, search engine optimization (SEO), social media marketing, content marketing, lead generation, and marketing automation. To learn more, head to https://changescapeweb.com/ or follow @changescape on Instagram.    About Your Host Marki Lemons Ryhal is a ​​Licensed Managing Broker, REALTOR®, and avid volunteer.  She is a dynamic keynote speaker and workshop facilitator, both on-site and virtual; she's the go-to expert for artificial Intelligence, entrepreneurship, and social media in real estate. Marki Lemons Ryhal is dedicated to all things real estate, and with 25+ years of marketing experience, Marki has taught over 250,000 REALTORS® how to earn up to a 2682% return on their marketing dollars. Marki's expertise has been featured in Forbes, the Washington Post, Homes.com, and REALTOR® Magazine.   Subscribe, Rate & Review Check out this episode on our website, Apple Podcasts, or Spotify, and don't forget to leave a review if you like what you heard. Your review feeds the algorithm, so our show reaches more people. Thank you!     

Is your business ready for a world where 50% of search queries involve AI?The digital landscape is shifting fast. We are moving from a world of traditional Google rankings to a "Zero-Click" environment dominated by AI Overviews, ChatGPT, and Voice Search. If you are still relying solely on old-school SEO playbooks, your content is at risk of becoming invisible.In this episode I break down the confusion between AEO (Answer Engine Optimization) and GEO (Generative Engine Optimization). I reveal why these aren't just buzzwords, but the two sides of the same coin that will determine your digital visibility in 2025 and beyond.Tune in to discover:The Critical Difference: What separates AEO (Extraction) from GEO (Synthesis) and why you need a hybrid strategy to win at both.The "Zero-Click" Reality: How to measure success when users get their answers without ever visiting your website (and why that actually builds more brand authority).5 Foundational Strategies: The specific steps you can take today—from "Answer-Focused Content" to "Entity Optimization"—to make your brand machine-readable and trustworthy.The Local SEO Pivot: Why NAP consistency and Google Business Profiles are non-negotiable for voice search visibility.Actionable Checklist: 7 immediate steps to audit your content and future-proof your digital marketing strategy.Whether you are a marketing professional, an entrepreneur, or a local business owner, this episode provides the roadmap you need to become the trusted source that AI cites and customers trust.Key Highlights:Intro: The confusion between AEO and GEO.Why the old SEO playbook isn't enough anymore.AEO vs. GEO: Extraction vs. Synthesis explained.The 5 Core Principles for AI Visibility.Specific tactics for Local Business owners.How to measure success in an AI world (Impressions vs. Clicks).The 7-Step Action Plan to implement today.Links & Resources Mentioned:Join the Digital First Group Coaching Membership: nealschaffer.com/membershipContact Neal: neal@nealschaffer.comNeal's Website: nealschaffer.comThe Ask Neal AI Framework: https://podcast.nealschaffer.com/episode/the-asknealtm-framework-7-steps-to-make-ai-sound-like-you-not-a-robotMarcus Sheridan's "They Ask, You Answer" book: https://amzn.to/48MT4PpSubscribe & Review:If you enjoyed this episode, please subscribe and leave a review! It helps me bring you moLearn More: Buy Digital Threads: https://nealschaffer.com/digitalthreadsamazon Buy Maximizing LinkedIn for Business Growth: https://nealschaffer.com/maximizinglinkedinamazon Join My Digital First Mastermind: https://nealschaffer.com/membership/ Learn about My Fractional CMO Consulting Services: https://nealschaffer.com/cmo Download My Free Ebooks Here: https://nealschaffer.com/books/ Subscribe to my YouTube Channel: https://youtube.com/nealschaffer All My Podcast Show Notes: https://podcast.nealschaffer.com

In this episode of the Private Practice Podcast, I'm lifting the lid on one of the biggest struggles women counsellors, psychologists and social workers face: treating the practice like a passion… but not yet running it like a business. If you've ever wondered why your bookings feel inconsistent, why you always seem “behind”, or why your business feels harder than it needs to, this conversation will help clear the fog and point you back toward real momentum. private practice business coaching, women in private practice, business mindset You'll hear why there is no “finish line” in private practice, why you are already sitting in the pot of gold you think you're chasing, and how constant pivots, identity shifts and new modalities actually influence your business direction. You'll also learn the surprising truth about unqualified “business coaches” in the space, what to look for before investing in support, and how your own lived experience and neurodivergence can actually become powerful business assets. private practice growth, mindset for therapists, counselling business If you've ever felt overwhelmed, financially unsafe, underpaid, or unsure why the strategies you're trying aren't landing, this episode gives you both reassurance and direction. You'll walk away knowing what questions to ask when seeking support, how to evaluate ROI in coaching, and how to reconnect with your purpose, energy and values as the foundation of a thriving, fully booked practice. Your quick action step today: audit your practice by asking “What gives me energy? What drains it? What truly moves the needle?” private practice audit, therapist business plan, grow your private practice Book your free 15-minute private practice conversation with me here: https://calendar.app.google/wmdgGjsmH2DciKaq8 Explore more of my free and paid resources to help you grow your practice: Practice Momentum (12-month on-demand coaching program) https://sales.brooklynstorme.com/momentum/ Free Community for Therapists https://sales.brooklynstorme.com/ultimate-private-practice-free-community/ Website Wellness Check https://sales.brooklynstorme.com/website-wellness-check-up-aud/ Booked & Better Monthly Tools https://sales.brooklynstorme.com/booked--better/ Etsy Tools & Templates for Private Practice https://thehappypractice.etsy.com Timestamps: 00:04 Welcome to the Private Practice Podcast 00:22 What Practice Momentum actually gives you 01:07 Identity shifts and why your business keeps evolving 02:16 Closing old offers and why “never say never” matters 03:32 The pot-of-gold illusion in private practice 04:48 Why you'll always have more to learn and do 07:11 What a real business audit looks like 08:51 Inventing offers, neurodivergent strengths and Booked & Better 12:11 How understanding ND changed the way I work 14:44 Why your originality is an asset 16:26 Discovering my true point of difference 17:57 The unqualified coaching issue nobody is talking about 20:53 Why coaching qualifications actually matter 27:10 Why women in practice face financial risk 31:04 How coaching, mentoring and strategy work together 32:32 Financial safety and women in practice 45:01 Why results vary — in therapy and coaching 51:47 How to evaluate ROI before investing in support 58:03 What to look for in a legitimate private practice coach 1:00:56 Final thoughts and invitation to connect 1:02:54 Closing message + how to get support   Mini FAQ  What does it mean to run my private practice like a business? It means using systems, strategy, financial awareness and aligned decision-making so your practice becomes sustainable, predictable and profitable.   How do I know if I need a business coach? If you're not paying yourself reliably, feel overwhelmed, or don't know what to prioritise, coaching can give you clarity, direction and financial confidence.   Should therapists worry about unqualified business coaches? Yes. Business coaching is unregulated, so checking qualifications and experience protects your livelihood and ensures you receive ethical, effective support.   What is a good return on investment for business coaching? Every practice differs, but a qualified coach should help you understand your financial baseline and give you strategies to increase revenue, bookings and stability.   Where can I book a call to see if coaching is right for me? You can book a free 15-minute private practice conversation here: https://calendar.app.google/wmdgGjsmH2DciKaq8       private practice coaching, private practice business, counsellor business coach, psychologist private practice growth, social worker business mentor, how to run a practice, therapist business strategy, private practice audit, business mindset for therapists, financial safety for women, therapist money mindset, grow your private practice Australia, qualified business coach, AEO optimisation therapy business, how to get more clients private practice, business coaching for counsellors, ROI business coaching therapists, neurodivergent therapists business, private practice sustainability

Welche Auswirkungen hat der Aufstieg der KI-Systeme auf den Marketingberuf? In unseren Beratungsprojekten sehen wir eine klare Entwicklung: Marketing-Manager*innen beginnen, sich neue Kompetenzen aufzubauen – und definieren ihre Rolle neu. Sie werden zu Koordinatorinnen für KI-Sichtbarkeit in ihrem Unternehmen. In unserem Podcast sprechen wir darüber, welche Muster wir in Unternehmen beobachten, welche Stolpersteine entstehen und wie Marketing-Teams sich Schritt für Schritt in Richtung AI Visibility weiterbilden. Wir sprechen hier von GEO – Generative Engine Optimization. Auch ähnliche Begriffe wie GAIO oder AEO werden derzeit viel genutzt. Sie alle beschreiben das neue Feld der KI-Optimierung. 📈 Mehr Charts und Analysen zur Episode 🎓 GEO Academy 👋 Fabian auf LinkedIn 👋 Benjamin auf LinkedIn

This week I'm welcoming back one of my favourite guests, Neely Khan, founder of the storytelling agency Artwork Creative. This is her second time joining me in less than six months - and there's a good reason for that. Neely is at the forefront of one of the most important shifts we're seeing in vacation rental marketing: the rise of AI-powered search. If you're still trying to wrap your head around terms like SEO, GEO, and AEO, you're not alone. But understanding these isn't optional anymore - it's essential if you want your business to remain visible and relevant in today's evolving digital landscape. Neely breaks things down beautifully. We talk about the difference between Search Engine Optimization (SEO) and Generative Engine Optimization (GEO), and how Answer Engine Optimization (AEO) fits into the mix. More importantly, she shares how vacation rental professionals can start optimizing their content for AI-driven platforms like ChatGPT, Perplexity, and Microsoft Copilot - without losing the soul of their brand. ________________________________________________________________________________________________________

What does it mean to be relevant in a fast-paced era of AI, and how can you stay in demand? Have you done a search for a company recently and couldn't find it?A simple search one day was the inspiration for this episode. I was looking for a new at-home workout and to my surprise, the company I have used for over 18 years was mysteriously missing from all search. This experience is an example of how quickly brands can disappear if they aren't using AEO.What about for your company, are you showing up in online searches?Inspired, I decided to check HerCsuite® and used phrases like NEXT. Similar to BODi, we were not showing up in search like we use to. I did an experiment and We rebuilt our updated the entire website to be AEO focused. HerCsuite® now appears in the number two spot right under one of the largest women's networks. AI and AEO influence the way we with search, but staying in demand is also about how we show up and how we lead. Five Secrets to Being In Demand and Staying Relevant Beyond AICreate a Strong Personal Brand. Build Trust.Be a Curious Learner. Build Your Network. Be Visible. As you listen today, it's important to remember that AI is a tool, but the 5 ways to be in demand are human actions only you can take.This episode is releasing the day before Thanksgiving in the U.S. and I am grateful to all of you listening both here and in the 40 countries around the world.SPECIAL INVITATION to JOIN HERCSUITE®If you're ready for your next board role, business growth, or portfolio career and drive the AI conversation, I would love to welcome you in HerCsuite®. Now until Cyber Monday there are special member savings.Keep shining your light bright. The world needs you.Connect with Natalie BenamouNatalie Benamou is Founder of HerCsuite®, women's leadership network and portfolio career company. She also serves as President and CEO of HER HEALTHX, a nonprofit bridging the care communication gap and improving health outcomes for women.

R. Kenner French opens by talking about his book ModernMillions.ai, which is currently ranked #4 in Amazon's retirement planning category on Kindle. He shares how the book actually came from a 2015 AI presentation he did in Vegas, which he later cleaned up with the help of his team and AI tools. The surprising part: the ranking has been almost entirely organic—no big ad spend, no mass self-purchasing, just a small launch team, a press release that got picked up by AP, and word of mouth.Dhaval, a marketer with nearly 20 years of experience, explains that old tricks like buying $100,000 of your own book don't really work anymore because algorithms now favor authenticity. He highlights that AI is having its “dot-com boom” moment and that a serious, robust AI + finance/tax book is well-positioned to rank. He validates Kenner's approach of educating instead of gatekeeping, pointing out that most business owners want to understand the process—even if they'll still hire someone else to do the heavy lifting.The discussion then shifts to AI-powered bookkeeping and automation. Kenner shares that VastSolutionsGroup.com has built an AI model called Einstein and a platform called Vastbookke / Vast Bookie, offering free AI bookkeeping so business owners don't have to rely on QuickBooks or expensive bookkeepers. A lot of what's in the book centers on exactly these kinds of tools—how AI can lower tax, streamline finances, and make real-world business operations more efficient.From there, they dive into marketing strategy for the book. Deval suggests a mix of Amazon ads + Google/YouTube ads + social, with YouTube being especially powerful because people can see Kenner and the book together. He emphasizes the need for a strong landing page and simple but clear ad copy. Later in the conversation, they zoom out into AEO vs traditional SEO. Deval talks about AI models scraping the web, the rise of LLM tags so sites can be better read by ChatGPT/Gemini, and the importance of FAQ sections and question-based content to rank in AI answers. They also touch on Reddit and Wikipedia as authority sources, and the growing value of data-driven surveys + press releases to build credibility and get media exposure. Kenner mentions plans to run surveys related to the book and publish the results on ModernMillions.ai as a continually updated companion hub—turning the book into a living, evolving AI + finance resource instead of a static, one-and-done manual.Takeaways• AI-focused books and content now dominate shelves and search results, and titles with real substance rise especially fast.• By not bulk-buying his own book to game rankings, Kenner builds deeper trust and long-term credibility with readers.• A dedicated 48-person launch team amplified awareness, demonstrating how collaboration and community dramatically boost organic book momentum.• Running Amazon, Google, YouTube, and Instagram ads together creates strong, multi-channel reinforcement that can push rankings even higher.• Freely sharing knowledge, offering signed copies, and showing up generously for others builds powerful long-term brand equity.• Combining real survey data with strategic press releases strengthens perceived authority and increases the odds of viral coverage.Soundbites• Authenticity always wins now.• AI evolves every day.• Knowledge must stay updated.• Transparency builds real credibility.Listen & Subscribe for More:

Quiet calendars don't have to mean quiet growth. We break down the most common slow-season mistakes home inspectors make—and replace them with practical moves that compound into spring momentum. From why turning off your website or pausing SEO backfires to how steady AEO signals and consistent social content build authority, we show exactly where to invest attention when the market cools.We dig into real-world tactics: refreshing your website with local service pages and helpful articles, optimizing your Google Business Profile with complete details, weekly posts, and fresh photos, and using YouTube and Facebook to boost topical relevance. On the relationship side, we lean into the realtor calendar—office visits, short trainings, and pre-listing inspection packages that put your brand on the sign and in the room when deals return. Pricing gets a strategic reset too: plan your spring increase now, refine packages and add-ons, and script your phone conversions so you protect margins without racing to the bottom.Professional development and operations round out the playbook. Finish CE while the phones are calm, add certifications that open new revenue like sewer scope, infrared, mold, and radon, and service every tool and vehicle you depend on. Then let data guide your next leap: read your analytics, identify top referrers and churned agents, automate client follow-ups, and audit report clarity. Finally, build a true profit and loss so you know your cost per acquisition and cost per inspection—numbers that inform smart pricing and better marketing bets.If you're ready to turn winter into your advantage, this is your blueprint for marketing consistency, realtor partnerships, pricing strategy, CE momentum, equipment readiness, analytics literacy, and cleaner reports. Subscribe, share this with a fellow inspector who needs a boost, and leave a quick review to tell us your top slow-season priority.Check out our home inspection app at www.inspectortoolbelt.comNeed a home inspection website? See samples of our website at www.inspectortoolbelt.com/home-inspection-websites*The views and opinions expressed in this podcast, and the guests on it, do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of Inspector Toolbelt and its associates.

Pressure Washing Business Owners — AI is already deciding which companies get found online.In this video, Jonathon Henderson from Pressure Washing Marketing Pros explains the future of SEO and how to make sure your business is still visible when Google, ChatGPT, and Gemini start recommending local companies directly.You'll learn how to: ✅ Structure your website for SEO, AEO, and GEO visibility ✅ Get featured in Google's AI Overviews and voice search ✅ Make ChatGPT recommend your business over competitors ✅ Future-proof your local rankings for the next 3–5 yearsJonathon and his team have helped over 125 exterior cleaning businesses stay visible online by tracking how AI-driven search is changing customer behavior.

If you've been hearing about AEO and wondering what it means for your business, you're not alone. Here's what this new marketing approach is all about. Go to https://www.njlocalmarketing.com/ for more information. NJ Local Marketing, LLC City: Old Bridge Address: 22 Sherwood Lane, Website: https://www.njlocalmarketing.com

In this solo episode, Matej walks through the exact step-by-step method he uses to launch successful Meta (Facebook) UA campaigns in 2025. From SDK setup to event engineering, targeting, budgets, creative strategy, and daily management - this is the “MVP strategy” every UA manager needs.Direct links to step-by-step guides:https://lancaric.substack.com/p/mvp-ua-template-i-want-to-launchhttps://lancaric.substack.com/p/mvp-ua-iaa-template-i-want-to-launch?triedRedirect=truehttps://lancaric.substack.com/p/creative-brief-template-7-creativeSoftlaunch E-BOOK: https://payhip.com/b/fJi9EWhat you'll learn• Minimum viable tracking setup (Facebook SDK, Firebase, MMPs)• How to build meaningful event combinations (WY S WYG)• Purchase-optimized vs. app-event optimized campaigns• How to structure T1, T2, and ROW for better learning• Targeting that still works in 2025 (broad, genre interest, lookalikes)• Budget pacing rules and when to scale• 3 starting concepts → 9 ad variations• Using AI hooks, memes, UGC & dev-cam videos• Daily operations: When you should do nothing• Moving from AEO to value optimization• Live example: Creating a full Meta campaignActionable checklistIntegrate Facebook SDK + Firebase + MMP.Build 5–10 event combinations (engagement + monetization).Start with 3 concepts → 9 variations.Use T1 (US/UK/DE/CA/AU/NZ/KR/JP) + ROW.Don't scale before day 3–5 stability.Check KPIs 2–3× per day, not hourly.Switch to value optimization once you have depth of payers.Key takeawayYour UA performance is defined by the events you send, the creatives you test early, and how fast you can validate your first 3 concepts.Get our MERCH NOW: 25gamers.com/shop---------------------------------------This is no BS gaming podcast 2.5 gamers session. Sharing actionable insights, dropping knowledge from our day-to-day User Acquisition, Game Design, and Ad monetization jobs. We are definitely not discussing the latest industry news, but having so much fun! Let's not forget this is a 4 a.m. conference discussion vibe, so let's not take it too seriously.Panelists: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Jakub Remia⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠r,⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Felix Braberg, Matej Lancaric⁠Podcast: Join our slack channel here: https://join.slack.com/t/two-and-half-gamers/shared_invite/zt-2um8eguhf-c~H9idcxM271mnPzdWbipgChapters00:00 — Cold open & why this solo episode matters00:40 — The original problem: “Where do I start with Meta UA?”01:20 — Tracking essentials (SDKs, MMP, events you MUST send)03:00 — WYSIWYG: “What You Send Is What You Get” explained04:20 — Event combinations that actually help Facebook find payers05:40 — Purchase vs. App Event optimization: when to use each07:00 — Geo setup: US, Tier 1, ROW, and why you always need all three08:10 — Targeting in 2025: broad, interests, lookalikes (what still works)09:30 — Budgets: first 7-day rules & how not to break learning11:00 — Creative framework: 3 concepts → 9 ad variations12:30 — What concepts to start with (gameplay+finger, AI hooks, UGC/dev-cam)14:00 — Creative iterations: hooks, pacing, soundtrack, memes15:10 — Daily UA workflow: why “doing nothing” is sometimes the best move16:40 — When to switch to value optimization (signals + payer depth)18:00 — Live walkthrough: building a Meta campaign step-by-step19:20 — Final advice ---------------------------------------Matej LancaricUser Acquisition & Creatives Consultant⁠https://lancaric.me---------------------------------------Please share the podcast with your industry friends, dogs & cats. Especially cats! They love it!Hit the Subscribe button on YouTube, Spotify, and Apple!Please share feedback and comments - matej@lancaric.meIf you are interested in getting UA tips every week on Monday, visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠lancaric.substack.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ & sign up for the Brutally Honest newsletter by Matej Lancaric

On our 100th Social in Six episode, SocialChain influencer executive Rachel Lea joins Mil in the studio to cover off the top six need-to-know updates from the world of social. This time, that includes two updates from Instagram: a new watch history feature and a crackdown on duplicate content that's got some news accounts rattled. They're also talking all about Sora, the latest AI video/social platform from ChatGPT's parent company OpenAI.    Plus, new AI tools from TikTok that let creators streamline both the edit and video scripting process; Reddit's guide to optimising for AEO (not a typo, that's Answer Engine Optimisation), and finally...find out which platform marketers ranked top priority in Emplifi's State of Social report.       Got a question or suggestion for the SocialMinds podcast? Get in touch at socialminds@socialchain.com.  

In this episode of Talking AI, Seth Besmertnik, CEO of Conductor, discusses the profound impact of AI on search behavior and SEO.As search engines like Google and AI platforms like OpenAI transform how users discover information, the traditional rules of SEO are being rewritten.Besmertnik details how AI is becoming the new front door to the internet, emphasizing the need for brands to be present in AI-generated answers to maintain visibility. He explains that companies must now create exponentially more nuanced content to stay competitive. The conversation explores topics such as the importance of understanding AI's role in customer journeys, the emergence of new optimization terms like AEO and GEO, and the significance of using AI tools to enhance content creation processes.The episode offers a deep dive into how businesses can adapt to these changes, maintain their relevance, and excel in an AI-driven digital landscape.--Key Moments:01:24 The Evolution of Information Discovery03:15 The Role of AI in Modern Search04:44 The Future of Content Strategy08:12 Personal Experiences with Google and AI10:37 Emerging Terms and Concepts in AI and SEO12:33 Conductor's Comprehensive Approach to AI Visibility16:25 Challenges and Opportunities in AI-Driven Search19:04 Communicating with AI: Short-Term and Long-Term Strategies20:03 AI Bots and Content Quality20:35 Effective Content for AI: FAQs and Structured Data21:29 Personalizing Content for Different Personas22:38 Leveraging AI for Content Creation and Analysis26:04 Scaling High-Quality Content with AI26:42 The Future of AI in Content Creation30:06 Conductor's Vision and Roadmap34:28 AI in Engineering and Product Development--Key Links:ConductorConnect with Seth on LinkedInMentioned in this episode:AI Opportunity FinderFeeling overwhelmed by all the AI noise out there? The AI Opportunity Finder from HatchWorks cuts through the hype and gives you a clear starting point. In less than 5 minutes, you'll get tailored, high-impact AI use cases specific to your business—scored by ROI so you know exactly where to start. Whether you're looking to cut costs, automate tasks, or grow faster, this free tool gives you a personalized roadmap built for action.

Is Answer Engine Optimization (AEO) really just SEO with a fresh coat of paint, or are we looking at something fundamentally different? This question has been nagging at me for weeks, and in this AI Quick Take I try to answer it.This started with a lunch conversation at the Marketing AI Conference in Cleveland, where an SEO expert told me AEO was merely a 10% incremental change from traditional SEO. Then I saw a post from Drew Neisser featuring a CMO who called AEO and GEO "a load of crap," suggesting that following SEO best practices would be sufficient. But after analyzing our own data at Health Launchpad and hearing similar stories from clients, I'm not convinced they're right.Our website traffic grew 10% month-over-month for four years straight, with 65-80% driven by SEO. Now SEO accounts for less than 40% of our traffic, but the decline has been offset by increases in referral and direct traffic from answer engines like ChatGPT, Claude, and Perplexity. We're moving into what many call a zero-click world where users get answers, not links. The new gatekeepers aren't search engines anymore - they're answer engines that read, interpret, and decide what's worth repeating. In this episode, I will unpack why I think AEO truly is a big deal and requires thinking differently about how we approach digital marketing.Key Topics Covered:"(00:00:00)" Introduction"(00:01:30)" The Question: Is AEO Just SEO Rebranded?"(00:05:00)" Is This SEO 2.0 or Something Different?"(00:05:30)" The Reality of Traditional SEO"(00:06:30)" Health Launchpad's Traffic Data"(00:08:00)" The Zero-Click World"(00:09:00)" Answers Not Links"(00:10:00)" The Skeptics' Point of View"(00:11:00)" Overlapping Tactics vs Overlapping Strategy"(00:12:00)" SEO vs AEO: Ranked vs Retrieved"(00:14:00)" Pre-Qualified Buyers from AI Engines"(00:15:00)" Zyppy's Research: 86% Citations from Owned Content"(00:17:30)" The Measurement Challenge"(00:19:00)" New Metrics: Retrieval Frequency and Answer Share"(00:22:00)" Four Key Takeaways"(00:24:30)" Future-Proofing Your Brand"(00:25:30)" Closing AdviceIf you are interested in discussing this or any other topic, let's have a chat.  Reach out to me directly to schedule a no-obligation discussion. This isn't a sales call, but rather an opportunity to talk through your questions and challenges.Follow me on LinkedIn.Subscribe to The Healthtech Marketing Show on Spotify or watch us on YouTube for more insights into marketing, AI, ABM, buyer journeys, and beyond!Thank you to our presenting sponsors, HIMSS, a leader in advancing health equity, digital innovation, and data-driven care through technology, policy, and community collaboration. And also HealthcareNOW, 24/7 expert shows, interviews, and podcasts, powering healthcare leaders with innovation, policy, and strategy insights.

Order my new book Habits of High Performers here - www.thehabitbook.com In this episode of Lead On Purpose, I chat with Kasim about AEO and how it's changing the way we get found online. We also dive into hiring, as he shares his seven step system for finding top performers anywhere in the world. We wrap up with a powerful reminder to stop overthinking and just ship it.What we cover:How AEO differs from SEO and why personal authority now matters mostWhy schema markup and social proof drive visibility in LLMsHow consistency and positioning helped me rank top for high performance leadership searchesKasim's seven step hiring system to attract, test, and keep elite talentWhy action beats endless planning and learningIf you want LLMs to find you and you want your team to perform at an elite level, this conversation gives you a clear plan to start today.Check out the AEO community and get your free book here - https://aeo.co/free/Grab a copy of ‘Hire' here - https://thehirebook.comConnect with Kasim here - https://kasim.meIf you're interested in having me deliver a keynote or workshop for your team contact Caroline at caroline@jjlaughlin.comWebsite: https://www.jjlaughlin.com YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6GETJbxpgulYcYc6QAKLHA Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/JamesLaughlinOfficial Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jameslaughlinofficial/ Apple Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/nz/podcast/life-on-purpose-with-james-laughlin/id1547874035 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3WBElxcvhCHtJWBac3nOlF?si=hotcGzHVRACeAx4GvybVOQ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jameslaughlincoaching/James Laughlin is a High Performance Leadership Coach, Former 7-Time World Champion, Host of the Lead On Purpose Podcast and an Executive Coach to high performers and leaders. James is based in Christchurch, New Zealand.Send me a personal text message - If you're interested in booking me for a keynote or workshop, contact Caroline at caroline@jjlaughlin.comSupport the show

When trying to grow your property management business, have you ever thought to yourself, "Man, it would be great if I just had more leads?" In this episode of the #DoorGrowShow, property management growth experts Jason and Sarah Hull discuss the Leads Myth and how "just having more leads" will not actually help you grow your business. You'll Learn [02:06] The Myth of Needing More Leads [11:39] Leaks in Your Sales Pipeline [22:41] The Future of SEO with AI Quotables "Why do we call it the leads myth? Well, the myth is this lie that we believe that you just need more leads. And the assumption in that is that all leads are the same." "The more clarity you have, the less wrong stuff you're going to be doing." "Not all clients are equal, right? Which means not all leads you get are equal. You need to qualify them." Resources DoorGrow and Scale Mastermind DoorGrow Academy DoorGrow on YouTube DoorGrowClub DoorGrowLive Transcript Jason Hull (00:00) Most of the industry is trapped in a cycle of suck. This is why most property managers suck in most markets. Maybe even you that's listening. We are Jason and Sarah Hull, the owners of DoorGrow, the world's leading and most comprehensive coaching and consulting firm for long-term residential property management entrepreneurs. For over a decade and a half, we have brought innovative strategies and optimization to the property management industry. We help people grow their property management businesses quickly. And our mission is to transform property management business owners and their businesses. We want to transform the industry, eliminate the BS, build awareness, change perception, expand the market, and help the best property management entrepreneurs win. Now let's get into the show. All right. So today we're going to be chatting a little bit about the leads myth that a lot of people believe. So if you have ever thought to yourself, I just need more leads. If I just had more leads, everything else would be great in my business. What do you have to say about that? Well, I think that is not the case. Okay. It's definitely not the case. And I also think almost kind of be careful what you ask for a little bit. getting a whole bunch of leads was never really the best. strategy anyway, unless you have people who are just picking up the phone and calling you and saying hey, I Would love for you to just manage my property. I don't have any questions. Here's my money. I just had a contract Those are leads I want but cold leads that are Not ready to go that need to be warmed up that have a bajillion questions That might not even understand why they want to work with you Specifically, yeah, I'm just not interested in those leads. And the other thing I think we need to discuss on this episode specifically is the changes that we're seeing because of AI. So AI is really great and also it's changing things very rapidly and leads and SEO that's very effective by this too. Okay. So. Let's get into this. So a lot of people believe they just need more leads. And the danger in that is if you really just think you need more leads, you're going to go out to the marketplace and talk to marketers and they're going to go, cool, I'll give you leads. And they will sell you leads basically. So why do we call it the leads myth? Well, the myth is this lie that we believe that you just need more leads. And the assumption in that is that all leads are the same. And they're not, they're not even remotely the same. So there's a couple of different frameworks that we usually talk about to kind of destroy the leads myth. One is the four Ds to revenue. Another is the cycle of suck we talk about and how people get stuck in growth. We talk sometimes about the pipeline leaks that you have in your pipeline. And we talk about the myth of SEO or internet marketing. And then we often talk about any others warm versus cold leads and then David versus Goliath. Okay. So we can tackle these all really quickly and go through each of these and maybe some other things will pop up as we go. Cool. Let's talk about all of that and then we'll talk about why AI has changed all of, really all of those things. Okay. That'll be in conjunction with SEO. All right, so let's go through these. And so for those following along, if you stack all these concepts, each one compounds your speed of growth. They're all related. And so these are frameworks that I love to share with clients to help them understand so that they don't make the mistake of doing the wrong stuff. The more clarity you have, the less wrong stuff you're going to be doing. The less you're going to be experimenting, the less you're going to be wasting time. And if you really wanna collapse time, the easiest hack is reach out to us and we can help you with all of this. We've been doing this for over a decade and a half. We have had hundreds of guinea pigs to figure this all out and we have over 100. case studies and testimonials more than anyone else in the industry. All right. Let's get into this. let's talk about the four D's to revenue. So these are four numbers when multiplied equal the gross revenue in your business. And I sometimes call them the four doors to revenue. And I showed four doors with a little multiplication X next to each of them equals your money. Right? So not all leads are equal. So the, these D's are, if you want to write them down, they each start with a D. It is Deals, doors, duration, and dollars. Okay? So the first is like how many deals is this client going to bring you? Not all clients are equal, right? Which means not all leads you get are equal. You need to qualify them. And how many doors are they bringing to the table? Or how many doors per deal are they bringing? And then the third D is duration. How long are they going to stick around or be involved in property management? is are they an accidental investor that's going to stick around for maybe a year, or are they in the buy and hold game and they'll be around for 10? And then the last D is revenue or is dollars. And so are they a cheapo? Are they a premium buyer? Where do they kind of fit? Or are they somewhere in the middle, like the normals as I call them? So we've got these four Ds. So let's play a quick example. Let's take the accidental investor. They couldn't sell their property. They wanna get it rented out. How does this play out in the 4Ds? done one deal. They didn't mean to do a deal, but they did. And it's usually just one door. Maybe sometimes they have two, but very often we just see one door and they're not looking to... to do more deals because as soon as the market spikes and the market is hot, they're going to bail. They're going to sell, which means the duration is questionable. Let's say it's like one year, like if they can just get it rented. but it might be a few months because if the market spikes three months from now, they're probably going to dump that property pretty quick. And then. than the dollars, they're not your premium buyers. They're not looking to do a lot of improvements. They're not looking to spend a lot of money. They're the people who, they have this property, they aren't quite sure what to do with it. They figure, let's just see if I can get it rented. They want it well taken care of, but they're not generally looking to spend a lot of money or invest a lot of money in either the property or maintenance or repairs or improvements or a property manager. So they're just trying to... Do what they need to do. It's like the bare minimum in order to get a tenant. All right, so one, one, one, right? Like one deal, one door, one year duration, for example, if this is worst case scenario and you sign a one year agreement with them and they're a cheapo, right? Now let's take a really great scenario. What would be maybe an opposite scenario or a really great opportunity? Like my, I will say my second largest client. He had 42 doors I think was the right answer but I was looking to buy more. So when I took him on he had 42 by the time I sold the business he had 60 something. So he was always doing multiple deals. Yeah. The doors that he had came out of multiple deals. So since he did multiple deals he also had multiple doors. was consistently looking to grow. He didn't want to just stop, you know, at a certain point he was always looking. He also was a buy and hold investor. He wasn't trying to buy these things and then wait, you know, until the market spiked and then try to sell them and make a profit. He wasn't up for the long term. And he was not a cheapo. He wasn't trying to cut corners. He wasn't trying to cut costs. You he wanted to work with. a property manager, wanted to take care of the properties and make sure that they were being maintained properly. Yeah. Okay. So that's a great example that previous client that you had. So let's just say like on each of these fees, we use tens instead of ones, right? Like let's say they do 10 deals over the life of being with you. They've got 10 doors. Maybe sometimes it's 10 doors per deal if they're doing small multis or something like this, right? And then you've got a 10 year buy and hold duration. In this hypothetical example that I just threw out, it would be 10 times 10 times 10. This would be over a thousand times greater lifetime value than that accidental investor in our previous hypothetical. Does that make sense? So are these even remotely equal? No, not even remotely equal. Should you then spend the same amount of time trying to cultivate both of those type of leads? Probably not. Would you spend the same amount of time following up or giving them attention? Probably not. And the great investor clients probably are easier to deal with, less emotional, have a much higher margin and operational cost is lower, right? And so there's a lot of benefits. so this is, we're just talking about the revenue piece, but when we look at the cost side of things as well, everybody knows having a really bad owner that's really needy and difficult and emotional about the property. can be a big headache and a big challenge and you may be losing money on some of those doors. So, four D's to revenue, that's one concept. One quick thing I wanna add to that is where do you think these owners hang out? So, if you've got an accidental landlord and they are looking for a property manager, where might that lead come from? Versus where might the lead of a client that has 42 doors come from? There's a lot higher probability that an online lead is going to be an accidental landlord. It's not impossible to get an online lead that has 42 doors. It's just probably not your norm because the ones that have 42 doors, they aren't really dabbling. They aren't going, oh, geez, I wonder if I should get a property manager to maybe help me with these. They are just a little bit more savvy. A lot of times those aren't going to be the leads that you're getting if you're buying leads. Although those are the leads that you want, it's not going to be the norm that you get. All right, so we're 10 minutes into this. We're going to crank through some of the rest of these. So cycle of suck. Cycle of suck, real simple. If you take on any client, it leads to you having some bad clients. So if you take on bad clients, that leads to you having bad properties, which leads to having bad. Residents or tenants which leads to having a bad reputation or reviews which leads to you attracting more bad clients. So not all leads are good. You don't want to take on every client and you definitely don't want to attract or get more bad leads. And so this is a framework that if you understand you can reverse it and focus on a cycle of success where you're picky about the owners you take on, you're picky about the properties you take on, you're picky about the tenants which everybody tries to do anyway. but those first two steps are supremely important. And then you're going to have a methodology for getting more positive reviews. These are things we help our clients with. And so then you create a cycle of success. Most of the industry is trapped in a cycle of suck. This is why most property managers suck in most markets. Maybe even you that's listening. We want you to get out of the cycle of suck. All right, let's talk about the pipeline leaks. Okay. So usually if I were drawing, I would draw a spigot or a faucet or whatever you attach a hose to, and then I would draw a hose, and then I would draw a little plant or tree that you're trying to grow at the end of the yard that this hose is trying to get water to. Most of you listening think, I just need more leads. This is where the lead Smith becomes really obvious, trying to turn on that faucet even more. I just need more water flowing through the hose. That would make sense, that would be true unless there's a problem with the hose, right? Like the hose has some leaks. And if the hose has some major holes in it, there's not going to be a lot coming out the other end. Sometimes very little at all. And so it's not about how many leads you're getting, sometimes it's just how good is your pipeline? How tight is your product? And so we need to make sure that we get those leaks shored up. And we'll just mention what they are real quick, but. One of the earliest ones that affects you is just awareness. It's going to be your perception and reputation online. It's going to be your website. It's going to be your branding. So they can tell that you are in this industry and that it's clear that that's your focus and it's not real estate or something else. And what else? Your culture and purpose. This is the actual product that you sell. So that is another one. And there are two more. Pricing. Pricing, which everybody's trying to price the same way, 10 % or worse, pure percentage, or they're doing flat fee. We have a different innovative pricing model. If you're curious about that, set up a call with our team. We can tell you about it. That allows you to close more deals more easily at a higher price point. And the last is the pitch, right? Selling. And so if you can dial in each of these leaks, what we've noticed over the years is we can double a company's close rate without changing the amount of leads or lead sources that they're getting currently if we can get those things dialed in. And that's significant. Maybe you don't need more leads. Maybe you just need less leakage in your pipeline. Cool. All right, the next one, you had mentioned warm versus cold leads. Do you wanna explain the difference? Yeah, we can talk about warm versus cold. So when I had my property management business, Yeah. what is a cold lead? So cold lead is someone who really has almost zero, very little familiarity with who you are in your company and your brand and what you do. They don't. they should work with you. That's the big thing is why they should work with you. So they don't know you, trust you or like you. That's a cold lead. And a warm lead. Warm lead would be something like a referral or some sort of recommendation. hey, Sarah is the best, I work with her and you should too. Now they're coming in already feeling like, somebody that I know that I trust recommended this person, so therefore I should also trust this person. So those obviously have a much different close rate. And there are things that you can do to increase your close rate or to warm up deals, of course. But if you're spending all of your time trying to close a bunch of cold leads, which generally is going to be what happens when you're purchasing leads, you really don't get to buy warm leads. Right. They're all cold. I mean, that would be great if you could, but when you're buying leads, you're usually buying a lead that is very cold. They don't know you at all. And oftentimes that same lead is being sold to multiple different companies. There's a lot of blood in the water there. So warm leads versus cold leads, the close rate on warm leads will be really high, like 90 % or higher. Cold leads, like the opposite, 10 % or worse. And so I would rather a client get five warm leads and maybe close four of them than 10 cold leads and maybe get one. The hidden pain point or secret with warm versus cold lead generation. or cold lead strategies is time. Cold leads take a massive amount of time because you have to nurture them and warm them up and build the trust and create the relationship. And even after all of that, and all of sudden done, the conversion rate's really low. So all of you know how high the close rate is if you get a really great word of mouth referral. We love those, right? That's a warm lead. So we have strategies and methods that we focus on with clients to increase the warm leads. while avoiding and doing cold lead advertising and avoiding worrying about cold leads. Once you start getting some growth engines installed for your business that give you warm leads, you're not going to want the cold leads. They feel like garbage in comparison, and you're not going to have time for them. And you're not going to wanna waste time on those because those are often the worst owners. All right. What I would say is as far as getting leads in, if you give me three warm leads, I will take three warm leads over even 100 cold leads. Sure. don't, I don't, I'm not really interested because even if I close, let's say two out of the three warm leads, that's great. What's the close rate on 100 cold leads? If it's about 10%, you might close 10. And some of you might be going, Sarah, 10 is better than two. Yeah, you're right. But how much work did it take for me to close the two versus how much work? did it take for me to close the 10? I would rather close two very easy warmed up leads because I can do that again and again and again. So in the same amount of time, I can close way more warm leads than I can cold leads. So I would rather take three warm leads than a hundred cold leads any day of the week. We have a sponsor for this episode. Many of you tell me that maintenance is probably the least enjoyable part of being a property manager and definitely the most time consuming. But what if you could cut that workload by up to 85 %? That's exactly what Vendero has achieved. They've leveraged cutting edge AI technology to handle nearly all your maintenance tasks from initiating work orders and troubleshooting to coordinating with vendors and reporting. This AI doesn't just automate, it becomes your ideal employee, learning your preferences and executing tasks flawlessly, never needing a day off and never quitting. This frees you up to focus on the critical tasks that really move the needle for your business, whether that's refining operations, expanding your portfolio, or even just taking a well deserved break. Over half of the room last year at DoorGroad Live, our conference signed up with Vendero right there. And then a year later, they're not just satisfied, they're raving about how Vendero has transformed their business, don't let maintenance drag you down. Step up your property management game with Vendoroo. Visit Vendoroo.ai slash door grow today and make this the last maintenance hire you'll ever need. All right. I thought it was a good time because it was a good time. Waste of time and I don't like to waste time and maintenance coordination can be a huge waste of time. Yes. All right. Let's talk about David versus Goliath. So I'll give you an example. We've got a client. that has, so this is dumb David versus smart David, right? The story of David and Goliath, if you're not familiar with the Bible. David goes to fight Goliath. These two warring nations send out their best person and David decides he is not going to wear the armor, the sword, the shield, all the heavy stuff. He's just bringing out his slingshot. He's got his sling, he's got some rock and he goes out to fight Goliath and he's like, I don't need all that stuff. What most property managers do is David basically brought a superior technology. He brought a gun to a sword fight and he was good at this. He trusted himself. He had skill. He had a better tech to beat this giant. He flung the rock right into the guy's head. I had knocked him unconscious or killed him, I don't know. And then he chopped the guy's head off with his own sword. Right. And so that's the story of David and Goliath. So let's talk about the dumb version of David. Like if David wasn't smart. And he said, I'm going to do all the same stuff. I'm going to use the sword of SEO and the shield of pay per click and the helmet of content marketing and the breastplate of social media marketing. And I'm going to do all the same stuff, digital marketing that all the other big companies are doing that are spending two to $3,000 a month or greater. I'm going to go compete with them as a small startup or a small pro. two to 400 unit property management business and try and compete with these big companies that have thousands of doors. One of our clients, as an example, came to us has 6,000 doors. They were spending $30,000 a month doing these strategies to try to grow and it wasn't even working for them. So why would you go and do what the big guys are doing and lose the battle with them and it's not even working for them, right? So that's the idea of David and Goliath. Don't go do what the big guys are doing, find a better way to compete, especially if you're smaller than them. You don't wanna try to outspend them, because that's not going to be possible. right, myth of SEO. All right, and we'll talk a little bit about the future and AI, all right, to wrap things up. So, all of you can go check this out for yourself. This is not me making stuff up. You can go on trends.google.com. You can go look up property management. date it, the time period, to the current time back to 2004, to the present. And you can filter by the US if you want to. What you'll see is that property management search volume, the amount of people searching for property management on Google has not increased since they started tracking data back in 2004. What has increased? The Goliaths, right? The companies spending a lot of money on digital marketing trying to do all this stuff. And so it's created a lot more competition. So this is where we get into another framework that we share, which is the blue ocean versus the red ocean. There's this small little area of the ocean that's red bloody water where all the sharks are fighting over the worst fish, which are these terrible property management business owners that are at the end of the sales cycle. Basically the crappy scraps that fell off the word of mouth table that the warm lead stuff has captured. They're what's left over. And so there's these ugly gross fish and the sharks are all fighting over the worst stuff. And there's this huge ocean full of fish in the U.S. 60 % are self-managing. There's tons of business out there. And so the myth of SEO is basically this, that in order to win the game, you need to have the top spot on Google. Not true. You don't even have to show up on Google in order to go out and be able to create business. Because there aren't really people searching for property management. It's very small. So you don't need to be found on Google. You need to go find owners because the best clients are offline and they're not looking for you and they don't like doing property management and they need you, but they're not looking for property management actively right now. And you can figure out how to go make that happen and we can teach you, right? So let's talk about the future of AI. What are we noticing? Well, I don't think it's any surprise. messed up a lot of Yeah, it's changing everything. AI is going to change everything. And if you haven't noticed it yet, just hold on because you will. It's crazy if you haven't even seen it yet. But it's it's going to flip everything you know upside down, including SEO. Yeah, including SEO. So everyone that is like, no, I don't care. I'm still going to do SEO. That's the only way to go. Like we made a video about this. specifically for this reason, but even the ones who are still clinging to SEO and you just can't let it go and you don't know that there's another way and maybe you don't believe it and you're like, no, I'm no, this is the only thing I'm going to do and I'm going to do this and that's the only way I can grow the business. That is all right and SEO is going to force you to look at that. Okay, yeah, so what we're seeing is search volume on Google is going down. There's less people using Google. More people are now going to LLMs like ChatGPT, Clod, Perplexity, Google's Gemini. So people are using tools now, sometimes within software, and they're using these tools to ask questions, to figure things out, figure out who they should use or who they should choose or what they need. And so Is it still relevant to have good reviews? Yes. Is it still relevant to maybe have some SEO stuff going? Probably, but it's certainly on the down slope and it's certainly decreasing. The game is changing. Even if you search on Google now, the AI at the top will respond to your search request anyway. And a lot of people are just reading that and not really looking at the results below. And so this is the new future. It's changing very quickly. and some are calling it AEO, some are calling it LLM, SEO, there's all these different phrases that are coming out. If you want to do a quick experiment, open up one of these LLMs like ChatGBT. Don't be in your own. It's a large language model. It's basically all these different AI chat tools. So go into ChatGBT. Everybody should be familiar with that by now if you're not. and go to ChatGPT open that up, but make sure you're not logged in or you use a different account and just, or say don't use any of my previous data or open a private window and say don't use any of my previous information or data and say who's the best property manager or what property manager should I choose in X market, right? And see if it comes up. See if your business comes up and see what shows up. And so this is... how people are kind of doing some of their research, but all the stuff we just talked about still applies. Don't think your whole goal needs to be LLM SEO, where you need to start getting these chat tools to tell people. Why? Because most people are not looking for a property manager. They're not looking. They are not trying to find you. That's the mistake most people make. The majority of people that are self-managing, the potential business, are not looking for a property manager. It's really rare that somebody has a property manager that they're looking actively for a new one unless they've really done a bad job or stolen money or done something really obvious. The people that need your services are not looking for you. You need to be looking for them. And so this is where you can skip all of the cold lead marketing. You don't need to spend money on SEO or AI SEO or Google Ads or pay-per-click or any of these marketing agencies, you don't need to spend any money and you can actually grow faster if you use our strategies and it costs you nothing to do the strategies that we give you. It costs time and action, but it actually takes less time because warm leads and focusing on more effective strategies give you a much greater result in less time. So less time, less money, more results. And that's why we call it the Leadsmith. A lot of people think I just need leads. Cool. there's better ways. Not all leads are equal and we can help you out. Cool. Anything else we should add in wrapping up? I don't think so. I think we covered everything. Okay. I think we got it. So cool. Well, if you are wanting to figure out how do I grow this business? How do I finally get out of the rut that I've been in? How do I scale this? Maybe adding more doors is creating you grief and pain and you want freedom from your business. These are the things we help clients with. We'll help you figure out how to grow dramatically faster and we'll help you figure out how to make your business scalable while getting you out of the day to day and getting you to exit the business in various ways so that you get more freedom. So if you felt stuck or stagnant, you want to take it to the next level, reach out to us at doorgrow.com. Also join our free Facebook community just for property management business owners at doorgrowclub.com if you would like to get the best ideas in property management, join our newsletter at where? doorgrow.com/subscribe And if you found this even a little bit helpful, don't forget to subscribe and leave us a review. We'd really appreciate it. And until next time, remember the slowest path to growth is to do it alone. So let's grow together. Bye everyone.

You scroll, you post, you tweak your content, and everything starts to look the same. In 2026, sameness is the silent killer of creativity and visibility. Algorithms reward familiar, not fresh. So if your feed only shows what your competitors post, you'll keep sounding like them. In this episode, I share how to break the copy-paste loop and start seeing new again. You'll learn:

LLMs are already “deciding” your brand for buyers. Are you shaping that story or letting the machine write it? If your marketing still sounds like everybody else's, congratulations: you've trained the models to ignore you.This week we rip into the hottest B2B reality: AI Engine Optimization (AEO) meets human-only brand. Ari Yablok, head of brand at Island, shows how to beat sameness by sending clear “this is new” signals, building experiential brands that people feel (not just read), and using unreasonable hospitality to make products and events feel theirs, not “yours.”We also cover:AEO is the new SEO: how to show up inside LLM answers and make people prefer you before they ever ask a bot.Signals over slogans: designing booths, visuals, and copy that telegraph “category shift” without a single bullet point.Unreasonable hospitality in B2B: turning product nuance and in-person moments into retention (and reputation) machines.The “feeling of knowing”: why brand confidence shortens deals—even when buyers can't explain why.Human as the counter-trend: embracing curated flaws and analog touchpoints to stand out as AI perfects the average.

I'm breaking down the real differences between answer engine optimization (AEO) VS classic SEO and exactly how I execute both. If you want to show up first in AI overviews and search results, this is your playbook.  TIMESTAMPS (00:00) AEO vs SEO and why “first or last” still applies (00:20) The 10 AEO tactics that actually move rankings (05:56) SEO fundamentals that still work in 2025 (09:51) Wrap-up and what's next  How to Connect IG: / ericosiu X: / ericosiu

Ethan Smith runs Graphite, the SEO & AEO company that helps brands like Webflow show up on Google's page one and ChatGPT's first answer. This is how he does it Ethan Smith is the founder and CEO of Graphite, a growth and SEO firm that's now pioneering Answer Engine Optimization—helping brands rank inside AI-generated responses. More interviews -> https://mixergy.com/moreint Rate this interview -> https://mixergy.com/rateint

This episode features Tami Cannizzaro, Chief Marketing Officer at Thryv, a software company helping small business owners run and grow their businesses with AI-powered tools. Tami shares how her team focuses on revenue first and builds marketing strategies around what drives impact for SMBs.She discusses the shift from traditional SEO to AEO and why speed and originality now define effective marketing. Key TakeawaysAEO and AI are redefining how customers find brands online: Learn how to optimize for AI-driven discovery so your brand appears in conversational search and LLM-generated results.Fresh, original content outperforms repurposed AI blogs: The fastest way to lose visibility is to sound like everyone else. Originality and recency are now ranking factors in AI search.First-mover advantage in AI tools can create outsized revenue impact: Early adopters capture learnings and market share before competitors adapt.Quote“Anytime there's something new in marketing, if you can be a first mover and jump on it before everyone else figures it out, there's a real opportunity to drive revenue from that.”Episode Timestamps(02:28) The Trust Tree: Supporting SMBs(17:12) The Playbook: ABM, AEO, and social ads (37:34) Quick Hits: Tami's Quick HitsSponsorPipeline Visionaries is brought to you by Qualified.com — the pipeline generation platform for revenue teams.Turn your website into a pipeline machine with PipelineAI. Engage and convert your most valuable visitors with live chat, chatbots, meeting scheduling, and intent data.Visit Qualified.com to learn more.LinksConnect with Ian on LinkedInConnect with Tami on LinkedInLearn more about ThryvLearn more about Caspian Studios Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

If you want your brand to show up in ChatGPT, do you follow the same rules as ranking in Google—or is it a completely different game?To settle the debate, we brought in Patrick Stox, one of the most experienced SEO professionals in the industry. Patrick's been tracking the rise of “Answer Engine Optimization” (AEO) and has strong opinions about the advice new experts are spreading.In this episode, we dive deep into how AI chatbots pull information, how to get your brand mentioned by them, and why AEO might not be as new as it sounds.Here's what you'll learn:(00:00) Intro(02:05) Do AI bots render JavaScript? The surprising answer(04:20) To get cited by AI, should your content be the same or different?(10:18) How Large Language Models (LLMs) actually work(15:10) The most important AEO tactic isn't SEO—it's this(20:00) Actionable tactics to control what AI says about you(26:20) Why a Korean search query might cite an English page(29:39) AEO is bringing desktop optimization back—here's why(32:00) How to repurpose content for maximum AEO impact(36:20) Why YouTube is a bigger opportunity than ChatGPT today(41:20) Using communities, PR, and affiliates to shape your AI narrative(44:10) The big secret: Answer Engine Optimization is just good marketingConnect with Patrick:X: @patrickstoxLinkedIn: patrickstoxConnect with Tim:X: @timsouloLinkedIn: timsouloWebsite: timsoulo.com

In this episode, Eddie breaks down the seismic shift happening in search, discovery, and digital visibility.Half of all Google searches now end with AI-generated summaries. That means your customers are getting answers without ever visiting a website, maybe even yours. Ranking #1 is no longer the finish line. It's just the entry ticket.In each episode, Eddie guides you through the new search landscape, where SEO meets AEO, GEO, and AI-powered content strategy. You'll learn how to:• Be Found by search engines • Be Chosen by AI assistants • Be Cited by generative models • Be Scaled using intelligent content systems • Be Dominant across the entire digital ecosystemThis is where marketers, founders, creators, and brand leaders come to understand what's changing, what matters now, and how to stay visible when the algorithms shift again tomorrow.If you want your brand to be the one discovered, recommended, and trusted in the new AI-first world…You're in the right place.

John Bush has created a way for businesses to be seen by Large Language Models called Answer Engine Optimisation.Summary of PodcastPodcast milestone and backgroundKevin and Graham discuss reaching their 500th episode of The Next 100 Days podcast. They reflect on their journey over the past 10 years and how the podcast has evolved. They introduce their guest, John Bush, an expert in "Answer Engine Optimisation" (AEO). John will discuss how businesses can optimise their content for AI-powered search engines like ChatGPT.John's background and AEO conceptJohn shares his background, including his experience in telecom, startups, and cloud infrastructure. He explains how he became interested in AEO after seeing the impact of AI on his marketing consultant friend's business. John describes the process of developing an AEO analysis tool. The tool evaluates websites on factors like visibility, accessibility, and authority. The outcome means businesses can make their content more searchable and usable by large language models.The changing landscape of search and AIKevin and John discuss the declining importance of traditional Google search and the growing prominence of AI-powered search tools like ChatGPT. They explore how businesses need to adapt their content and website structure to be more easily understood and referenced by these new search engines, rather than just optimising for Google.Practical applications of AEOJohn demonstrates a tool his team has developed that can automatically analyse a company's competitive landscape and provide insights based on the data, without relying on the company to manually gather and synthesise the information. He explains how this type of AI-powered analysis can be applied to various business functions, such as RFP responses and lifetime value calculations.Challenges and considerations around AI-generated contentKevin raises concerns about the potential risks of using AI-generated content, such as the ability to verify the accuracy and provenance of the information. John discusses efforts to address these issues, including watermarking content and providing audit trails for AI-powered decisions.The future of AI in businessJohn and Kevin discuss the broader implications of AI in the enterprise. They cover the importance of data stewardship, security, and the role of human expertise in augmenting AI capabilities. They explore how AI can be used to automate and enhance various business processes, while also highlighting the need to carefully manage the integration of these technologies.Wrap-up and reflections on the podcastKevin and Graham reflect on the evolution of The Next 100 Days podcast over the past 10 years, noting the shift in focus towards AI and technology. They express their enthusiasm for continuing the podcast and exploring the latest developments in this rapidly changing landscape.The Next 100 Days Podcast Co-HostsGraham ArrowsmithGraham founded Finely Fettled ten years ago to help business owners and marketers market to affluent and high-net-worth customers. He's the founder of MicroYES, a Partner for MeclabsAI, where he introduces AI Agents that you can talk to, that increase engagement, dwell time, leads and conversions. Now, Graham is offering Answer Engine Optimisation that gets you...

If you thought SEO was complicated…meet its AI-powered cousin.In this episode, Carly and Joe break down the buzzword that dominated INBOUND, AEO (AI Engine Optimization), and explain what it actually means for solopreneurs. Spoiler: it's not about gaming algorithms or chasing clicks. It's about making sure your voice, ideas, and frameworks show up when AI tools like ChatGPT, Perplexity, and Google Gemini answer your audience's questions.You'll learn:What AEO really is (and what it isn't)The small tweaks that help your content stand out in AI search resultsWhy clarity > cleverness in your copyAnd why human connection still beats machine optimization every timeIf you've ever wondered how to future-proof your visibility without losing your authenticity, this one's for you.FAQs From The EpisodeWhat's the difference between SEO and AEO, and do I really need both? SEO helps search engines (like Google) find you. AEO helps AI engines (like ChatGPT or Perplexity) understand and surface your content. While SEO is still valuable, AEO focuses more on structure, clarity, and credibility signals that make AI choose you as the source when answering questions. You don't need to overhaul everything. Just start optimizing for both audiences: humans and machines.I'm a coach/consultant/service provider. Does AEO even matter for me? For most solopreneurs, relationships and referrals still drive the majority of business. But AEO is a long-term play. If someone asks an AI tool, “Who's the best productivity coach for solopreneurs?” or “What's the SMOOTH method?”—you want your name, content, or frameworks to appear. It's not urgent, but it's smart to start now so you're discoverable later.What's one simple AEO tweak I can make today? Add an FAQ section (like this!) to your website or blog posts. AI scrapes well-structured Q&A content, and it's one of the easiest ways to signal authority. Bonus tip: use clear, direct language over clever wording. AI prioritizes clarity, and so do readers.

BlueRock is building an agentic security fabric to protect organizations deploying AI agents and MCP workflows. With a $25 Million Series A, founder Bob Tinker is tackling what he sees as a 10x larger opportunity than mobile's enterprise disruption. Bob previously scaled MobileIron from zero to $150 million in five years and took it public in 2014. In this episode of Category Visionaries, Bob shares the strategic mistakes that cost MobileIron its category positioning, why go-to-market fit is the missing framework between PMF and scale, and how B2B marketing has fundamentally transformed in just 18 months. Topics Discussed: Taking a company public: the killer marketing event versus the unexpected team psychology challenges of daily stock volatility Why agentic AI workflows create unprecedented security challenges at the action and data layer, not just prompts The strategic timing of category definition: MobileIron's cautionary tale of letting Gartner define you as "MDM" when customers bought for security Where enterprise buyers actually get advice now that Gartner's influence has diminished AEO (Answer Engine Optimization) replacing SEO as the primary discovery mechanism for B2B solutions Why 1.0 categories have fundamentally unclear ICPs versus 2.0/3.0 products with crisp buyer personas The "high urgency, low friction" framework for prioritizing what to build in nascent markets Go-to-market fit: the repeatable growth recipe that unlocks scaling post-PMF Unlearning as competitive advantage for second-time founders GTM Lessons For B2B Founders: Time your category noun definition strategically: MobileIron focused exclusively on solving the problem (the verb) but waited too long to influence category nomenclature. Gartner labeled it "Mobile Device Management" when customer purchase drivers were security-focused, not management. This misalignment constrained positioning for years with no way to correct it. The framework: lead with verb, but proactively shape the noun before external analysts do it for you. Bob's doing this differently at BlueRock by distinguishing "agentic action security" from "prompt security" early, even while the broader market sorts out AI security taxonomy. Use customer language as category discovery, not invention: Bob's breakthrough on BlueRock positioning came from asking prospects: "How would you describe what we do to your peers?" One prospect distinguished their focus on "the action side - taking AI and taking action on data and tools" versus prompt inspection and AI firewalls. This customer-generated framing revealed the natural fault lines in how practitioners think about the problem space. The tactical application: run this exact question with your first 10-15 qualified prospects and pattern-match their language, rather than workshopping category names internally. Engineer for the "high urgency, low friction" intersection: Bob's filtering criteria for BlueRock's roadmap requires both dimensions simultaneously. When a prospect revealed they were building their own MCP security tools - a signal of acute, unmet pain - they also asked BlueRock to add prompt security features. Bob's framework forced a "no" despite clear demand because it would violate low friction. The discipline: if a feature request fails either test (not urgent enough OR too much friction), it doesn't make the cut, even when prospects explicitly ask for it. Accept ICP ambiguity as a feature, not bug, of 1.0 markets: In 2.0/3.0 categories, you can target "VP of Detection & Response" with precision. In 1.0 markets like agentic security, Bob finds buyers across three distinct orgs: agentic development teams building secure-by-default systems, product security teams inside engineering (not under the CISO), and traditional security organizations. His thesis: this lack of crisp ICP definition is actually a reliable signal you're in a genuinely new market. The response: invest in community engagement across all three buyer types rather than forcing premature segmentation. Shift content strategy from SEO to AEO immediately: Bob identifies the clock speed of marketing change as "breathtaking" - what worked 18 months ago is obsolete. The specific shift: ranking above the fold in Google search is now irrelevant. What matters is appearing in the answer box that ChatGPT or Google Gemini surfaces above traditional results. This isn't incremental SEO optimization - it requires fundamentally restructuring content to feed LLM context windows and answer engines rather than keyword-optimizing for traditional search crawlers. Treat go-to-market fit as a distinct inflection point: Bob observed a consistent pattern across MobileIron, Box (Aaron Levie), Citrix (Mark Templeton), Palo Alto Networks (Mark McLaughlin), and SendGrid (Sameer Dholakia) - all hit PMF, hired salespeople aggressively, burned cash, and stalled growth while boards grew frustrated. The missing concept: PMF proves you can create value; GTM fit proves you can capture it repeatedly. It's the "repeatable growth recipe to find and win customers over and over again." The tactical implication: after PMF, resist pressure to scale headcount and instead obsess over making your first 3-5 sales cycles systematically repeatable before hiring your second AE. Build community as primary discovery in fragmented buyer markets: Bob's most different GTM motion versus five years ago: "We're just out talking to prospects and customers - individual reach outs, hitting people up on LinkedIn, posting in discussion boards, engaging with the community." This isn't supplemental to demand gen; it's replaced traditional top-of-funnel. When prospects exist across multiple personas without clear titles, community presence in Reddit, Stack Overflow, and LinkedIn becomes the only scalable discovery mechanism. The benchmark: successful new tech companies have built communities of early users before they've built repeatable sales motions. Practice systematic unlearning as second-time founder discipline: Bob's most personal insight: "What really got in my way wasn't what I needed to learn. It was what I needed to unlearn." The specific application: he's questioning his entire MobileIron marketing playbook because "blindly applying that eight-year-old playbook to marketing or sales will end in tears." His framework: periodic gut checks asking "What assumptions am I making? How should I think about this differently?" rather than letting inertia drive execution. The meta-lesson: success creates muscle memory that becomes liability without deliberate examination. Second-time founders should actively audit which reflexes to preserve versus discard. // Sponsors: Front Lines — We help B2B tech companies launch, manage, and grow podcasts that drive demand, awareness, and thought leadership. www.FrontLines.io The Global Talent Co. — We help tech startups find, vet, hire, pay, and retain amazing marketing talent that costs 50-70% less than the US & Europe. www.GlobalTalent.co // Don't Miss: New Podcast Series — How I Hire Senior GTM leaders share the tactical hiring frameworks they use to build winning revenue teams. Hosted by Andy Mowat, who scaled 4 unicorns from $10M to $100M+ ARR and launched Whispered to help executives find their next role.  Subscribe here: https://open.spotify.com/show/53yCHlPfLSMFimtv0riPyM

"Answer Engine Optimization is the future." Connect With Our SponsorsGreyFinch - https://greyfinch.com/jillallen/A-Dec - https://www.a-dec.com/orthodonticsSmileSuite - https://getsmilesuite.com/ Summary In this conversation, Jeff Slater discusses the evolving landscape of digital marketing, particularly in the orthodontic field. He emphasizes the importance of adapting to new trends such as Answer Engine Optimization (AEO) and Generative Engine Optimization (GEO), while still maintaining a strong foundation in traditional SEO practices. The discussion also highlights the critical role of Google reviews, content structuring for AI, and the necessity of leveraging technology to enhance patient engagement and streamline marketing efforts. Connect With Our Guest Kaleidoscope Orthodontic Digital Marketing - https://thekaleidoscope.com/ Takeaways AEO focuses on AI-driven search results and voice assistants.Content should be structured in a Q&A format to align with user queries.Google reviews significantly impact search rankings and visibility.Encouraging detailed patient reviews can enhance credibility.The traditional SEO foundation remains crucial amidst evolving strategies.Regularly testing website functionality is essential for user experience.Utilizing technology like NFC cards can simplify the review process.Marketing strategies must adapt to changing consumer behaviors.Creating engaging content for humans is key to successful marketing.Being proactive in your career can lead to greater opportunities.Chapters 00:00 Introduction01:58 Jeff Slater's Background and Role at Kaleidoscope03:53 AI in Orthodontic Marketing: AEO and GEO Explained12:04 Optimizing Content for AI: Strategies and Tips21:13 Importance of Google Reviews in AI and SEO27:44 Avoiding Review Contests28:43 Leveraging Staff and Close Contacts29:45 Using NFC Technology for Reviews34:30 The Importance of SEO and AI39:49 Testing and Optimizing Your Website44:09 Final Thoughts and Contact Information Episode Credits:  Hosted by Jill AllenProduced by Jordann KillionAudio Engineering by Garrett LuceroAre you ready to start a practice of your own? Do you need a fresh set of eyes or some advice in your existing practice?Reach out to me- www.practiceresults.com.    If you like what we are doing here on Hey Docs! and want to hear more of this awesome content, give us a 5-star Rating on your preferred listening platform and subscribe to our show so you never miss an episode.    New episodes drop every Thursday!   

Unlock how AI can quietly build your authority—and your pipeline—while you sleep. Michael sits down with AI strategist Tiffany Marroquín to break down the shift from traditional SEO to AEO (AI Engine Optimization) so you can start showing up as the trusted answer when clients ask tools like ChatGPT, Gemini, and Perplexity for the best luxury agents. You'll hear practical moves you can implement this week: tighten and unify your bios across platforms, build an AEO-friendly content hub with data-backed guides, structure your reviews and pages with schema, post FAQs that mirror real client questions, and leverage LinkedIn, YouTube transcripts, Reddit, and Quora for high-trust signals. Tiffany also shares a rapid workflow—record a 3–5 minute weekly voice memo and spin it into blogs, emails, shorts, and captions—plus how custom GPTs and agent-style automations can research competitors and keep you consistently visible. Want to raise your average sale price and dominate high-end listings? Join the in-person LUXE Designation training on November 19 (bonus mansion tour!). Details and savings at LuxuryDesignation.com/Chicago.

Learn how today's guest went from eBay to AI-driven marketing. Discover his secrets to LinkedIn growth, UGC blitz campaigns, trade show ROI, and mastering AEO optimization. Rob Stanley, a trailblazer in the e-commerce realm since the late '90s, shares his unique journey from selling parts for Palm Pilots on eBay to pioneering iPhone repair sales via YouTube. With nearly three decades of experience, Rob uncovers the secrets behind maximizing LinkedIn presence and the power of user-generated content strategies. He also recounts his remarkable transformation from being the "money man" to collaborating with companies challenging giants like Shopify. His stories are not just about past achievements but offer a roadmap for today's e-commerce professionals looking to make a mark in a dynamic industry. Our conversation takes an exciting turn as we explore the captivating world of trade shows and the art of standing out. Rob shares vivid anecdotes on how to create unforgettable trade show experiences, emphasizing the need for creative hooks and interactive booth presentations to capture attendees' attention. Further, we dive into the art of crafting compelling LinkedIn posts that spur engagement, complete with insights on using varied content types and scheduling tools to maintain a vibrant online presence. With Rob's clever strategies, listeners will find themselves equipped with the tools to transform their LinkedIn and trade show tactics into genuine business growth. In the final segment, Rob and Kevin explore the future of e-commerce, with a spotlight on AI optimization tools and emerging trends. We discuss the innovative potential of Super User-Generated Content and the evolution of e-commerce platforms, such as Miva. Rob offers compelling insights into how AI tools are reshaping search engine strategies, ensuring that brands stay visible in an increasingly digital world. From driverless technology to the evolution of sales dynamics, Rob's expert perspective provides a glimpse into the future, urging listeners to stay ahead of the curve in this ever-evolving landscape.  In episode 471 of the AM/PM Podcast, Kevin and Rob discuss: 00:00 - E-Commerce Journey With The "Money Man" Rob Stanley 07:51 - Discussion on Trade Shows and Feedback 08:46 - Maximizing Trade Show ROI 14:00 - Standing Out at Trade Shows 18:23 - Maximizing LinkedIn for E-Commerce Success 20:01 - Maximizing LinkedIn Engagement Strategies 24:41 - Promoting Brands and Products on LinkedIn 31:06 - Strategic Super UGC Marketing Blitz 38:11 - E-Commerce Industry Trends and Insights 44:33 - AI Optimization Tools for E-Commerce 48:47 - Chat GPT and AEO Rise 53:40 - Evolution of E-Commerce and AI 55:10 - Social Media Reach Out Tips

Everyone's racing to “do more with less,” then wondering why everything sounds the same. Budgets shrink, headcount drops, and the AI mandate lands like a memo from Mount Olympus: use it, ship faster, cut costs. Here's the plot twist: AI isn't your edge but your point of view is. If your story's bland, the tech just scales blandness.In this episode, Julien Palliere, AI Strategist at Column Five joins Jason and Josh to deliver a necessary reality check.We unpack why “just add AI” is a lazy brief, how AEO is quietly disintermediating brands, and why volume is the enemy of results. The verdict: bad marketing makes you generic, not AI. We also cover:The Wedge System: Turning a sharp POV into a repeatable AI-powered content engine.Personalization That Actually Personalizes: Using CRM, 6sense, and LinkedIn signals to change copy by persona in real time.Where AI Belongs (and Doesn't): Map the workflow, target structured/repeatable steps, avoid breaking fragile creative processes.

This week, Sam and Roop dive back into a hot topic, AI and SEO, to answer the question, “Is SEO for AI engines really something new?”Spoiler alert: AEO (Answer Engine Optimization) and GEO (Generative Engine Optimization) aren't entirely new strategies, they're really evolutions of SEO. Google has confirmed that traditional SEO principles are still the foundation for gaining visibility in AI-driven answer engines. When users ask questions, AI systems don't just find one article with a matching title. Instead, they break the query into smaller, related questions and then pulls the best, most credible snippets from across the web to form a complete answer. It's like twenty searches in one!That means content today needs to be modular, well-organized, and clearly written so each section can stand alone as an authoritative answer. There are some new metrics, like share of voice and sentiment are emerging, but the key to showing up in answer engines and large language models (LLMs) remains solid SEO fundamentals: structure, clarity, and credibility. AEO and GEO represent the next step in SEO's evolution, not a replacement for it.But there are some tweaks to what you might be doing with your current content and its mechanical markup that are also vital in the age of AI. You'll have to listen to the episode to hear what those things are!Next week the gang will be reviewing the ever expanding world of OpenAI and ChatGPT, this time in the form of a new browser (Atlas) that could change how we consume content on the internet in a massive way.— Roop, Sam and ClaudiaTell us what you think!

In this episode, Kai Biami and Spencer Powell delve into the complexities of modern SEO, focusing on the acronyms GEO, AEO, and EAT. They discuss the importance of establishing credibility through EAT, the technical aspects of optimizing for AI search engines, and the shift from traditional keyword strategies to answering real questions posed by potential clients. The conversation emphasizes practical tips for implementing these strategies, including the use of project spotlight pages and the significance of maintaining consistent business information across directories. The hosts encourage listeners to adapt to the evolving landscape of SEO and AI search, highlighting the importance of creating valuable content that resonates with audiences.

What happens when the ancient magic of theatre meets the disruptive energy of artificial intelligence? In this episode of The Tech Talks Daily Podcast, I sit down with Emmy-nominated producer and 440 Media founder Jeffery Keilholtz to unpack how AI is reshaping entertainment, licensing, and the very soul of live performance. From his time leading Broadway Licensing Global, home to thousands of acclaimed titles including Harry Potter and the Cursed Child, Jeffery brings a rare blend of creative and commercial insight to one of the most transformative moments in entertainment history. Our conversation explores how live entertainment faces twin challenges of visibility and scarcity in a digital age. As Jeffery explains, the rise of ChatGPT has changed how people search, discover, and decide what to see, forcing a shift from SEO to AEO, or Answer Engine Optimization. Yet even as AI floods the world with abundance, theatre's scarcity, that irreplaceable “live, local, urgent” energy, is becoming more precious than ever. Together we examine how AI can simultaneously empower and endanger creative industries, from copyright battles worth billions to the promise of smarter audience engagement and new paths to discover hidden works. Jeffery also shares his framework for balancing technology and artistry, urging creators to stay nimble like a blade of grass. He argues that surviving this era of AI-driven disruption requires humility, flexibility, and a renewed belief in human connection. It's a powerful reminder that the heartbeat of theatre, and perhaps of creativity itself, still belongs to people gathered together in the same room, sharing something that can never be replicated by a machine. How do you see AI reshaping the arts and entertainment world? Is it an existential threat to creativity or the tool that will help artists reach new heights? I'd love to hear your thoughts.      

Your emails aren't broken, they're just getting blocked before they even reach people. Gmail, Outlook, and AI tools like Copilot read every line before your audience does. They're not looking for design, they're scanning tone, emotion, and trust. In this episode of Branding Momentum, we're decoding why perfectly good marketing emails are landing in Promotions or Spam, and how to write messages that actually reach humans again. You'll learn which words trigger AI filters, how tone affects deliverability, and what still gets through when automation is reading your content first. If your open rates are dropping or your list feels silent, this is the missing piece. I'm Veronica Di Polo, a marketing strategist based in Moraira, Spain. I help service-based business owners get leads with words that sell.  

On this episode of The Founder's Sandbox, Brenda McCabe sits down with Jen Apy, Area Managing Partner and Chief Marketing Officer at Chief Outsiders, to explore how scaling companies can unlock growth through fractional marketing leadership. Jen shares insights from her 30+ years of marketing experience—spanning Mattel, Adobe, Intuit, and now Chief Outsiders—and introduces listeners to the Growth Gears framework: a strategic methodology designed to help small and mid-sized companies grow efficiently and sustainably. Jen and Brenda also dive into key trends such as the rise of “flash teams,” how AI is transforming the marketing playbook, and the importance of being a learning organization in a fast-moving world. You can find out more at https://www.chiefoutsiders.com        transcript:  00:04 So  welcome back to the Founder's Sandbox. I am Brenda McCabe, the host of this monthly podcast where I am joined by business owners, founders, and professional service providers that are scaling businesses. 00:34 with great corporate governance. This podcast is now in its fourth season and very excited to have Jen Apy as my guest today. For those that are subscribed to the Founder Sandbox, you always know that we have a story that's going to be told about the origins of the company and the founder  and the professional's experience as the introduction here. And we will always come back to the... 01:02 the sandbox where we're talking about resilience, purpose-driven and scalable growth. And when Jen, who I've known now for several years, we work in the same ecosystem, spoke to me about the growth gears, that is kind of the overarching framework  of chief outsiders. I was fascinated and wanted to offer the platform of the podcast to get the message out to  business owners that are 01:30 scaling and have not yet thought about using fractional marketing services. So welcome, Jen, to this fourth season. um Absolutely delighted to have you here. Oh, I'm delighted to be here. Excellent.  So we did choose a title. We're gonna you're gonna hear the word growth gears throughout this podcast. So the title for the podcast today is growth gears for scaling. And 01:56 Jen and I kind of share a similar background in the sense that we've been out there over three decades.  I um had my own consulting business. I worked in the McKinsey & Company and reinvented myself uh around really bringing the expertise that I had at multinationals into the ecosystem  of growth stage companies. Jen, tell me you are multifaceted marketing professional over three decades. 02:26 of experience contributing to marketing excellence. Tell us a bit about your origin and your currently, I think since five years ago, the area managing partner and chief marketing officer of Chief Outsiders. So share a bit how your role has evolved and what's it like to be with this company that was once a startup itself. Well, thank you so much for having me, Brenda. It's been a wild ride. 02:56 I feel like I was so lucky  early in my career to work with fabulous marketers at Mattel and Intuit and Adobe.  And now to have  the opportunity to apply those skills to help small to mid-sized companies grow. It's really been a fantastic experience. I feel like this is my purpose. Oh, beautiful. To share these enterprise little marketing skills with smaller companies that 03:25 are hungry for growth.  you when I, when I meet founders or I meet CEOs, I'm always really curious about, know, what's working, what's not working. You know, how do we create this flywheel that can help them grow in scale? It really is, is something I enjoy. You know, you found your purpose and then  I guess your purpose found you  working with chief outsiders because you were also a solopreneur  for years. What would be your 03:54 tagline if if anybody were to just listen to five minutes of the founder sandbox, what would be. Jen appease tagline such a good question. I think it would be be something like committed to growth. I feel like that is my purpose. That's what I enjoy. And you know now it's part of outsiders. I I now have 125 colleagues who feel the same way. They've all been fortune 1000. 04:23 and larger company marketers from a variety of different industries. think collectively we've probably covered over 80 industries, over 5,000 engagements. I mean, it's just incredible that the people at Cheap Outsiders that I get to work with every day. And I do feel like commitment to growth is almost a shared purpose for all of us. That's why we're here, because we love to make an impact, to see that impact on smaller companies and  be a part. 04:52 of their leadership team. We say that we're outsiders, but we're really embedded as insiders and therefore we can have that impact on  companies and watch them grow in scale. It's very gratifying as a marketer. m I  also work in the small and medium sized enterprise area.  And last month I actually wrote a blog on enterprise,  forms of enterprise and the like. 05:18 Did some research  on actually SMEs.  How many  SMEs in your estimation actually  reach  or go beyond $10 million in revenues? SMEs are 47%, I believe, for the number of enterprises in the United States. But how many actually scale beyond the $10 million revenue? You know, it's a surprisingly small number,  like maybe less than 1%. But you know, that's why we're here. 05:47 We want to increase the chances that those companies can scale, you know, 10 million, 50 million, 100 million. We believe that by really applying the market insights, customer insights, competitive insights into, you know, the strategies around positioning and offers and target marketing will lead to the cost of 06:14 efficient and cost effective strategies and execution that will help companies scale. that really is the heart of the growth gears methodology and approach. Well, that's  a great segue. You and I met at the recurring revenue conference, I guess, in the seventh year. And as you walk me through  the growth gears,  you also have an assessment tool. Would you like to  share? 06:42 overarching what is what are the gears, the growth gears, what are the key aspects that  one can be surveyed about and then and how to engage with  the chief outsiders, because I found it fascinating.  And I actually used it with one or two of my clients to kind of get the wheels, no pun intended, right to  to start moving, right? 07:12 Yes, so the assessment that we use asks companies and leaders questions about the business, about how much do they know about their customers, their competitors,  the company, they looked at market trends? And then starts to ask about, do they know where their revenue  comes from, where their growth is gonna come from? they  understand what channels are most efficient and are they measuring uh the effectiveness  of the marketing? 07:41 programs that they have in motion. And it's not every single question that we could ask, but just enough to get them thinking about where growth is gonna come from. And so we use this assessment, usually around this time actually, we're getting close to Q4. And we use it about this time in order to help them think ahead in terms of what are the priorities that are needed for the following year in order to stimulate. 08:08 enable or actualize growth. So if anyone's interested in doing this assessment with me, it's free. Just, you know, reach out to me on LinkedIn, happy to provide you with the link and then have a conversation about what the answers mean. Absolutely. Jen, we'll put those, the survey or the assessment, pardon me, in the show notes. All right. Great. In addition to other areas. So talk to me a little bit about Chief Outsiders. You did say it was a startup at one time. 08:37 How long has it been around? What's the organization look like? And what are the challenges that you particularly are dealing with with the advent of AI? That's a very little question.  That's a great question,  though. But  Chief Outsiders has been around for over 10 years. I think we've been around before the term fractional  executive or fractional marketer was even a term. think 09:01 Maybe early on we might've been discussed as strategic business consultants, right? Because we're helping companies grow in scale. But we've been around for over 10 years. We've been on the Fortune 5000 for quite a few years. I think definitely 10 or more. the way that we've grown is by really focusing on what marketing leadership needs to do. 09:30 for companies, which at the end of the day, it's about  knowing who your customers are, where to find them,  and  then how to grow the company  based on  that focus on finding and retaining customers, whether it's increasing market penetration within a certain target segment or  finding new markets or launching new products,  whatever that growth strategy is, how to harness that  and  help 10:00 a company,  um, scale over time  and marketing has changed so much. I know over the years, mean, I've seen that with your companies is  overwhelming. I pardon. I will get back to the question, but I, many, many years ago, McKinsey, was a marketing expert research. We didn't have all these amazing tools we have today to conjoin analysis, you know, with your Excel sheets, right. And focus groups. 10:29 Right. So the sophistication, channel, you know, growth explosion is, you know, I threw my talent a long time ago. Well, you know, it used to be, you know, direct mail and then websites, right. And then e-commerce and, and then it was about social media and content marketing and then SEO. I mean, it's just daunting. And now we have to be thinking about AI in all facets of the 10:59 the marketing toolkit, right? It's  impacting every aspect of what we do as marketers.  And we have to be thinking about AEO, like answer engine optimization in addition to SEO. So it really is rather overwhelming. So I think that over the years, Chief Outsiders has recognized that the marketing tactics and strategies are going to change and we need to change with it. But that the focus on 11:27 growth is going to come from really the growth gears, right? The approach to understanding the market, understanding how to go to market,  understanding how to  execute cost effectively. So recently in the advent of AI, knowing that it was going to impact so much of the marketing mix, we actually started to develop an AI platform for us to use. Yes, for us to use internally. What it does is confidentially, 11:57 takes all of the insights for all of the engagements that we've done with companies so that when we are working with clients, we can benefit from that collective knowledge and be able to deliver  better, deeper, faster insights from day one for our clients. So deeper insights, proven strategies, best practice execution. There isn't a workstream for marketing sales that isn't going to be impacted by AI. 12:25 So we've definitely thought about that and made sure that we can  leverage all this knowledge in order to help us be better marketers for our clients. That's  fascinating. It's kind of scary, right? So you've basically like in the healthcare industry, you've anonymized, right?  The plethora of data, right?  Within the  walls  of 12:54 chief outsiders of the 10 years of experience and I don't know how many clients, right? To then really document and have your own, for lack of another word, I guess, is it? The knowledge base. The knowledge base, but it's kind of an ocean, right? Data ocean. Yeah. And, you know, and this is how the AI tools work. 13:19 We figured we might as well have something that we can use on a proprietary basis and that can help us not only create our deliverables and have better deliverables, but also to help us manage processes.  Because as we talked about with marketing, there's just so much going on, so much to consider, so much to do. This AI platform also helps us to manage those processes.  And one of the things we haven't talked about yet is fractional resources. 13:47 I believe really are the future of work. And that's one of the reasons why I'm so excited to be a part of Chief Outsiders because we believe that as well. And that's also part of the reason why we built this platform.  Right. So one thing that I want to  highlight just from the last discussion here is 14:08 AEO rather than SEO or in addition to SEO that I mean, heard it here on the founder sandbox. Not only do we have to be looking to have our SEO optimization, it's AEO optimization. Yes. So answer engine optimization. And that's coming of course, from the AI tools. You know, I think the stat is something like 70, 71 % of searchers, anyone searching. 14:37 They're now using the AI engines instead of, or sometimes in addition to regular search. But it's the reason why Google is losing traffic share, right? Because people are going to these AI engines sometimes exclusively for certain things. And so this has had an impact on marketing in a couple of ways. One is we need to now optimize our content for answer engines, which it's not that much different from SEO. We still have to adopt the same good. 15:06 SEO practices, you keywords, relevance, backlinks, things like that. But now we call it LL  or large language model optimization in 2025. uh In order to be able to rank in those answer engines, we need to also consider  brand strength and authority, oh citations, quality of content, sentiment.  You know, we really 15:35 PR  from  authoritative sources is really going to become  more important. And so we do a lot of testing ourselves  in terms of how Chief Outsiders ranks in these engines. I was going to ask you, have you done that?  Yes. And that's how we know that it's not just the SEO good practices that's helping to rank in answer engines. um 16:02 It's also these other things, brand strength and authority. The content needs to answer questions. these engines are understanding when content is authoritatively answering a question. And there's so many factors involved in figuring that out. There are a number of tools we use to see how we're ranking. There are a number of tools we use to figure out how we're 16:33 uh how we're able to, uh I guess, for lack of better words, out the competition, right? And score, right? In our content. And we use this knowledge of how it's working for us  to help our clients as well. And we've been doing this from the beginning because we were very aware of all the changes. um So you have your own growth gears operating system. 17:00 It's a remote working AI enabled platform, right? That also enables remote and hybrid teams  that come together.  Speak to me a little bit about that. GrowthGear's operating system is effectively your LM?  Yeah, that's the, well, that's the AI platform that we developed is called the GrowthGear's operating system. And so not only does it leverage  the best content, the best tools, but because of the way that we're designing it and it's really to support us, right? And how we work. 17:29 we are really enabling fractional resources  and remote and hybrid teams to work together effectively on  the projects,  the marketing, the growth plans that companies need to scale.  this is kind of the way, I mean, if we believe that fractional resources are  of economic benefit to both companies because they don't have to hire 17:56 A lot, you know, heavy talent, right for long term. They can hire just what they need when they need it.  And also as they evolve and grow, they might need different resources, right? So they can they can cycle through  the skill sets they need, but but also because there's economic value because workers, if they want to be more flexible, if they want to leverage a specific skill set and not necessarily be tied to one company gives them  the freedom and flexibility to. So I think for for both reasons, there's there's a lot of. uh 18:26 momentum toward this style of working. the platform that we have, you know,  it  can enable these operational fractional resources, not only marketing, but any part of the organization in the future.  Let's go. Let's take that idea or what you're observing in the market and actual client work a little bit further. So how would a potential client 18:54 engage with chief outsiders. They're at, you know, 3 million AR, they have not yet hired a marketing full time, right? How, what would would walk us through a typical, for lack of another word, engagement, or how do they engage with chief outsiders? And particularly, the second part of that is, if you're talking about 19:21 Flash teams, I think is the term that you and I discussed, right? Yeah, it's actually the title of a book being launched by a professor from Stanford,  Melissa Valentine. She's coined this phrase flash teams, which essentially  is what cheap outsiders does, right? We  pull together the resources that a company needs at that moment in time in order to solve their growth problems.  we're essentially a flash team enabled by 19:51 the growth gears operating system. Cool. So I'm not I'm the CEO. I've got to hit some revenue milestones. I've interviewed some candidates. I'm not yet sold for you know, bringing in full time, full time chief marketing officer. Jen gives me a call. How do I how do you how do I engage with you? Yeah, well, the first thing I want to understand is, is what what keeps you up at night? 20:21 Right? What, what are some of your growth challenges that, you're struggling with? Because the first thing I want to do is really understand, you know, what resources do you need at this moment in time in order to get you from A to B?  so oftentimes  we'll look at this and say, is this, is this going to be solved by a marketing led team or sales led team? Sometimes that's the first  thing that we're thinking about. And then how much do we know already about the situation in terms of. 20:49 customers, competitors, market insights, customer buying journey, channels that are working and not working. We're wanna know all of that so that we can figure out the most efficient way to approach solving those growth challenges and what work streams are needed. So we'll bring in a fractional executive that's a good fit for that company and then orchestrate the resources that are required to get to the next step. And then when that engagement  is through, 21:18 we'll figure out what the next level is. Maybe the next level is bringing in full-time permanent resources to help execute and to help scale where we paid ourselves out of the picture. Or maybe it's just dialing back to more of an advisory role and then bringing in fractional resources from different places in order to be able to test and scale and see what's going to work, what's going to land  before we orchestrate on a more. 21:48 So we're very flexible with what a company needs at any point in time. And no two companies are alike. You when you're a $3 million company, you might have talent and skills and gaps that are different from the last client that we had. And we know that. We can recognize those situations just because we've had so much experience working with so many different companies. We can very quickly figure out what's needed for the next step and just give a company exactly what it needs. 22:16 to it. You do tap into your, your network of your 125  professionals with them, know, goodness,  the years of experience that you all have obtained while at fortune 1000 companies. Amazing. Oftentimes, I've seen you  with as keynote speaker, you do give conference speak and you speak at conferences. What one of the most recent 22:42 conferences.  I'm not uncertain where it was, but you the topic you spoke to, Jen, was winning website traffic in the age of AI, what CEOs need to know? Can you without sending us to  you know, that I don't know whether it's on online, we can put that in the show notes. But what's the top, you know, line messages from that conference where you spoke about winning website traffic? Yeah. 23:10 Well, I did it with a couple of my colleagues who are very experienced in digital transformation and now how to win traffic with the answer engines. And  so we talked about some of the uh tactics that we're finding work nowadays and how that's going to change how companies need to think about orchestrating their marketing mix. So Mike. 23:36 Colin Angela gave an example of a very specific example of an article that had been written for SEO that now needs to be written for AEO just so that people  could see the difference. But I think the main message that we were trying to send uh to companies is uh marketing is not static. Just because you've figured out your marketing mix doesn't mean it's going to work two years down the line. It's constantly evolving. And so you need leadership. 24:04 who can be thinking about how are customer behaviors changing? How do I reach them differently?  And the fact that  71 % of searchers are going to answer engines, that's a huge shift and marketers need to be ready to  address that. So  if you're a smaller company and you just don't have the resources to keep retraining your staff. 24:29 every year or so  and you need that expertise in the know how do I compete now today? How do I set myself up for success? That's where we as Fractional Resources can come in and help you be that learning organization, that resilient organization that's going to survive through the next sea of change. 24:51 That is  fascinating. Yeah, it's it's a living beast, right? marketing and it's moving so rapidly, it would be hard. I'm to actually have the inside resources, the talent inside unless they're constantly being retooled. So it is  an opportunity to use fractional resources, depth of expertise that you have.  Yeah.  And that's one thing that I value about the chief outsiders culture is the fact that I think what's made us 25:21 so resilient is the fact that we're really a learning and sharing organization. We've recognized that change happens rapidly. To be resilient, we need to change and constantly be learning and retooling ourselves. And that is something  we highly value.  But to be able to do that quickly,  no one person can do all this on their own. It's nearly impossible and very overwhelming. You can't do it in a silo. So we have a culture of sharing where 25:50 If we learn something new, um we'll share with the rest of the organization. So that, that, uh, that webinar that we did was just as much for us and our executives as it was for the clients that we, that we serve in this culture of sharing really creates resiliency in the sense that  if, a company brings in one of our fractional executives and let's say they encounter a market challenge or a sales challenge that that particular 26:19 executive hasn't seen before, they can turn to the other 125 marketers and say, hey, let's get together. Let's put our best brains on this business and determine what things we might be able to try or what things we should put in place in order to benefit this organization. And I think there's no individual fractional out there that has access to that much talent and expertise. 26:49 on a moment's notice as we do. And that's part of what's going to create the resiliency that we need as an organization  to survive in the next decade, because everything is just going to start to move faster and companies are going to just need that much more speed. So, but we also believe that's a value that we can bring in addition to being interim  and not being full-time and bringing in the expertise they need to write at that moment.  We can also draw on the collective expertise of the tribe. So the brain trust. 27:19 Well, that's a good term. love that. Right. Brain trust. I love that brain trust. One  technical question of the 125  professionals within chief outsiders and interim roles. Is it solely in the marketing area or do you also offer maybe in the sales?  there other interim roles?  That's a really good question. So we do focus on marketing and sales primarily, but sometimes we're actually brought in as fractional COOs. 27:49 as well or division heads. And it's because of our broad leadership expertise. And some of our executives have been  CEOs  of their own companies. They founded companies, they've sold companies. So they do have that broader business perspective, but primarily it's marketing and sales. Excellent. We're going to switch gears, to  the standby. No pun intended. 28:17 That's right. That's  here in the founder sandbox. I'm passionate about building resilience, scalable and purpose-driven companies. And I like to ask my guests briefly, what is the meaning of resilience? What does that mean to you? Or does he chief outsiders? It's a fascinating part of the podcast for me become that you have very different definitions. And that's the beauty of asking this. Yeah.  Well, I think that resilience, at least for for me, for us, a chief outsiders means 28:46 being able to survive and move forward and grow in the face of massive change.  Right. It's not, it's not bending to the will of the market. It's,  it's, it's basically saying, you know what? We know how we can add value at this moment in time. And we have the tools to address this change and add value. that, you know, it is one of the reasons why we constantly are thinking about 29:15 how do we bring more  to the table for our clients? So in addition to the growth years operating system that we created, we also have an ecosystem called team outsiders of fractional marketing execution resources that we can draw on at any point in time and create our own flash teams for our clients. So let's say we've gone through the strategy and we've determined that we really need an e-commerce expert 29:45 that can optimize Amazon or we really need somebody who can take charge of developing the content that's going to  address not only SEO and or but also AEO and we'll draw from our pool of team outsiders resources and we'll put together that fractional team for the client at a moment's notice. So we believe that that is going to make us a lot more agile. 30:13 for our clients because sometimes they just need to get started,  but they don't have time to go higher or they don't have time to go evaluate a new agency. We can bring somebody in. We can, we can set the stage. We can get things going and then let them have the time to decide really who they want on a longer term basis. So, you know, agile teams, flash teams, it comes from our ability to be able to,  draw on this network  of. 30:42 team outsiders and to be resilient.  How about purpose? What's purpose mean to you?  Purpose. You know, I think that when I look back on my career and also what I'm doing here at Chief Outsiders, I get the most satisfaction from seeing smaller companies grow from helping founders make their dreams come true. You know, there are so many great companies out there. 31:12 that just need a shot at the big time, right? And we can do that because we've seen it. We know how to get a company from one to a hundred. We've seen it. We know what a company at one or a company at zero, what they're faced with from the standpoint of  challenges, time, resources, focus, right? And so we can adjust what we do in order to adapt to that environment. But we know what an organization is going to need 31:41 to be competitive and to need to grow at 30, 50, 100. And we can keep our sights on what that needs to be and advise the companies we're working with on how they're gonna get there. So yes, we're implementing this today, but it's gonna look like this tomorrow, but we're not ready for that yet. We're just gonna do this here today because you don't have the time or the bandwidth or the money to do that many things. But this is, we've done the analysis, we've done the research, we've done the testing. 32:11 This is what you need to scale for right now. So, you know, being able to do that and then see  these companies grow from 10 to 30 to 50 million, it's a thrill. it  is very, very rewarding. So I think that, you know, I found my purpose and this is the, in speaking with my colleagues, they're all, we're all here for the same reason. So we really do have that shared. 32:39 purpose and we really enjoy what we do. Fantastic last one and then we'll move to how to contact you scalable growth. I'm certain you're going to talk about those the growth gears, but what's scalable right? What's that mean to you?  Scalable growth to me means we figured out what works and we can replicate it cost efficiently and cost effectively. So that is 33:07 our focus when we're working within the growth gears methodology, we're looking for the way to scale most cost-efficiently effectively. I know that one of the things that you are really big on with your  companies, the companies you invest in is governance. Yes. You're really big on governance.  And when I think about governance, I think about responsibility and accountability. And what that means to me as a marketer, 33:35 And  as a revenue leader is making sure that the spend that we commit to in marketing and sales is going to drive revenue and growth cost effectively.  so by making sure that we've done the analysis, that we figured out what's going to work, that we've tested before we scale is that responsible governance approach, right? To marketing and so 34:05 You know, I think that there are some companies that are in situations where they have to scale no matter what. They just throw money at it, you know, scale no matter what. And there are situations where that needs to happen. But we find with the companies that we work with that the more responsible, prudent, accountable, you know, organic growth is what the founders are looking for. And we know how to do that. 34:35 Replicable, right? Replicable, yes.  Amazing.  So Jen, um last question before  we listen to how to contact you. you have fun today in the Founder's Sandbox? Oh, it's always a pleasure to talk with you, Brenda. I really enjoy our conversations. We're of like minds. That's true. That's true. Avid readers and bringing the best to our clients. So thank you. How can my listeners 35:04 find you  and best reach chief outsiders. Yes. So they can find me on Jenna,  but they can also find me on the chief outsiders website on the leadership tab. And from the chief outsiders website, you can also learn about all of the things that we do. can meet all of the 125 executives that we have. You can learn more about growth gears, OS and team outsiders. Excellent.  And 35:32 In the show notes, will provide the assessment so that you listeners that are actually considering, you know, what do I need to do at this last quarter of the year, right? To plan my marketing resources, just download the assessment. It's a very interesting tool. So thank you. Well, to my listeners, if you enjoyed this episode with Jen Appie of 35:56 chief outsiders. I'd encourage you to subscribe to this monthly podcast where we have founders, business owners, corporate board directors and professional service providers that are really building scalable, purpose driven and resilient companies with great corporate governance. Signing off for this month. Thank you for joining us here on the Founder's Sandbox.  

Want more qualified appointments without racing to the bottom on price? Marketing leader Ken Tucker (Changescape Web) breaks down a practical AI speed-to-lead system for home builders, covering AI phone assistants, OSC roles, answer-engine optimization, and a content machine that actually moves the needle.What you'll learnWhy “first response wins” (and how AI makes it instant—24/7)AI voice/chat setup: FAQs, escalation rules, booked-appointment targetsWhere OSCs fit next to AI (and how to keep the “talk to a human” option)Tech stack sanity: CRM + ops tools, APIs/Zapier, and subscription auditsContent flywheel: short videos → blogs → social → press → emailAnswer-Engine Optimization (AEO): schema, local SEO, reviews, Reddit/LinkedIn signalsGuest: Ken Tucker — author of Content Marketing for Local Search (updated with AI strategies) Chapters 00:00 Intro 01:40 Ken's IT→Marketing journey & podcast lessons 03:30 Speed-to-lead: why first wins (even vs. price) 10:30 OSCs, AI chat/voice, and instant response 12:45 Training AI with FAQs + escalation to humans 20:10 Jobs & AI: repurposing roles, “rejection-proof” follow-up 21:30 Local content with AI: FAQs, repurposing, signals 26:00 AEO, schema, Bing/LLMs, reviews & reputation 34:00 How to reach Ken + final takeawaysLinks 

In this episode of Content, Briefly, Jimmy Daly sits down with Lindsay Boyajian Hagan, VP of Marketing and Co-head of Revenue at Conductor, to explore how the company is evolving from its SEO roots into the fast-emerging world of AI Engine Optimization (AEO).Lindsay shares how Conductor is helping enterprise brands measure and improve their visibility across AI search engines, why content remains the “currency” of AI, and how her team restructured their marketing strategy—shifting budget from traditional demand gen into higher-quality content and brand visibility.They also dig into the changing relationship between SEO and AEO, what marketers should measure in this new landscape, and how Conductor's own marketing team is practicing what they preach. It's a must-listen for anyone rethinking their content strategy in the age of AI search.************************Useful Links:Follow Jimmy on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmydaly/Follow Lindsay on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lindsayboyajian/Amplify Your Brand in AI Search************************Stay Tuned:► Website: https://www.superpath.co/► YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@superpath► LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/superpath/► Twitter: https://twitter.com/superpathco************************Don't forget to leave us a five-star review and subscribe to our YouTube channel.

Marketers love shiny objects, but this chat gets real about what moves pipeline right now with Jay Schwedelson and Ben Schechter. CMO FloQast! [Industry Giant Accounting Platform]From why webinars still outperform to how to score webinar engagement the smart way, Ben shares practical plays for B2B teams that feel more consumer savvy. You also get a sanity check on AEO experiments, and a peek at how a not-so-sexy category builds a brand people actually want to follow.ㅤConnect with Ben Schechter on LinkedIn and explore FloQast if you lead or support an accounting team looking to modernize the close and operations.ㅤBest Moments:(01:23) From B2C to B2B - the consumer skills that turbocharge enterprise growth(04:12) Webinars still crush - attendance, engagement, and conversion you can bank on(06:55) Registered vs attended vs engaged - who sales should call first and why(08:52) Stop worshiping lead count - pipeline and dollars beat vanity metrics(11:45) AEO is real but early - balance experiments with core SEO and paid search(15:15) Making accounting feel human - a distinct voice and an in-house studios teamㅤCheck out our 100% FREE + VIRTUAL EVENTS! ->Guru Conference - The World's Largest Virtual EMAIL MARKETING Conference - Nov 6-7!Register here: www.GuruConference.comㅤCheck out Jay's YOUTUBE Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@schwedelsonCheck out Jay's TIKTOK: https://www.tiktok.com/@schwedelsonCheck Out Jay's INSTAGRAM: https://www.instagram.com/jayschwedelson/ㅤMASSIVE thank you to our Sponsor, Marigold!!Email chaos across campuses, branches, or chapters? Emma by Marigold lets HQ keep control while local teams send on-brand, on-time messages with ease.Podcast & GURU listeners: 50 % off your first 3 months with an annual plan (new customers, 10 k-contact minimum, terms apply).Claim your offer now at jayschwedelson.com/emma

AI is completely changing how people find and engage with brands — and traditional marketing strategies aren't enough anymore. In this episode, I sit down with Josh Hanosh, VP at Three29, to unpack how artificial intelligence, machine learning, and new AI tools are reshaping marketing, search, and lead generation. We talk about the rise of Answer Engine Optimization (AEO) — why it's different from SEO, how AI “thinks,” and how brands can position themselves to be discovered when no one is “Googling” anymore. Josh shares practical tactics for optimizing your site for AI bots, building smart backlinks, leveraging FAQs and question clustering, and future-proofing your marketing strategy. We also explore how AI is driving massive productivity gains, freeing teams from repetitive work so they can focus on creativity and strategy.

Nick Constantino and Matthew Caddy dive into the seismic shift from SEO to GEO (Generative Engine Optimization). Learn how AI is reshaping search, why branding matters more than ever, and how to future-proof your marketing strategy in the age of ChatGPT, Reddit indexing, and instant AI-driven purchases.

Robby Stein is VP of Product at Google, where he oversees the core products of Google Search—including the new AI Overviews, AI Mode, search ranking, Google Lens, and more. Previously, he led consumer products at Instagram, where he and his teams built Stories, Reels, Close Friends, and other key features now used by billions.What you'll learn:1. Why Google's AI products are suddenly taking off after years of perceived stagnation2. How AI is expanding Search rather than replacing it, contrary to what many predicted3. The three core product principles that have helped Robby build multiple billion-user products4. Inside Instagram's decision to build its own version of Snapchat Stories5. His mantra of “relentless improvement”6. How Google developed AI Mode from concept to launch in just one year7. Why most teams give up too early on potentially transformative products—Brought to you by:• Vanta—Automate compliance. Simplify security: https://vanta.com/lenny• Jira Product Discovery—Confidence to build the right thing: https://atlassian.com/lenny/?utm_source=lennypodcast&utm_medium=paid-audio&utm_campaign=fy24q1-jpd-imc• Orkes—The enterprise platform for reliable applications and agentic workflows: https://www.orkes.io/—Transcript: ⁠https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/how-google-built-ai-mode-in-under-a-year⁠—My biggest takeaways (for paid newsletter subscribers): ⁠https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/i/175041217/my-biggest-takeaways-from-this-conversation⁠—Where to find Robby Stein:• X: https://x.com/rmstein• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robbystein/—Where to find Lenny:• Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com• X: https://twitter.com/lennysan• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/—In this episode, we cover:(00:00) Introduction to Robby Stein(04:46) Google's recent success with AI(06:08) The evolution of Google Search(09:41) AI Mode and its impact(15:30) The rise of AEO(18:50) Building successful AI products(21:31)   Embodying relentless improvement(30:10) Lessons from Instagram Stories(35:20) Driving growth in established products(40:08) Balancing optimization and innovation(43:39) The journey of AI Mode: From launch to expansion(48:05) Organizational changes and urgency(49:51) AI Mode vs. competitors(51:35) Core product principles(57:07) Instagram's Close Friends feature(01:03:01) The importance of resources in development(01:06:39) AI corner(01:11:19) Curiosity and learning(01:15:01) Lightning round and final thoughts—Referenced:• Google Gemini: https://gemini.google.com/app• Nano Banana: https://aistudio.google.com/models/gemini-2-5-flash-image• Chat GPT: https://chatgpt.com/• Perplexity: https://www.perplexity.ai/• Google Lens: https://lens.google/• AI Google search: https://www.google.com/ai• Why ChatGPT will be the next big growth channel (and how to capitalize on it) | Brian Balfour (Reforge): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/why-chatgpt-will-be-the-next-big-growth-channel-brian-balfour• Alex Rampell on X: https://x.com/arampell• A 4-step framework for building delightful products | Nesrine Changuel (Spotify, Google, Skype): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/a-4-step-framework-for-building-delightful-products• Look broader, look closer, think younger: Tony Fadell speaks at TED2015: https://blog.ted.com/look-broader-look-closer-think-younger-tony-fadell-speaks-at-ted2015/• Jobs to Be Done: https://www.christenseninstitute.org/theory/jobs-to-be-done/• The ultimate guide to JTBD | Bob Moesta (co-creator of the framework): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/the-ultimate-guide-to-jtbd-bob-moesta• Rinstagram or Finstagram? The curious duality of the modern Instagram user: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/sep/26/rinstagram-finstagram-instagram-accounts• V03: https://v03ai.com/• Pirate GPT: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/silentmeditation/pirate-gpt/• The Bear on Hulu: https://www.hulu.com/series/the-bear-05eb6a8e-90ed-4947-8c0b-e6536cbddd5f• Dune on HBO Max: https://www.hbomax.com/movies/dune/e7dc7b3a-a494-4ef1-8107-f4308aa6bbf7• Top Gun: Maverick: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1745960/• Purple pillows: https://purple.com/pillows• Avocado pillow: https://www.avocadogreenmattress.com/products/green-pillow• Justin Bieber's website: https://www.justinbiebermusic.com/• Scooter Braun's website: https://scooterbraun.com/—Recommended books:• Competing Against Luck: The Story of Innovation and Customer Choice: https://www.amazon.com/Competing-Against-Luck-Innovation-Customer/dp/0062435612• The Design of Everyday Things: https://www.amazon.com/Design-Everyday-Things-Revised-Expanded/dp/0465050654• Aurora: https://www.amazon.com/Aurora-High-Stakes-Survival-Navigate-Darkness/dp/0062916475• Project Hail Mary: https://www.amazon.com/Project-Hail-Mary-Andy-Weir/dp/0593135202—Production and marketing by https://penname.co/. For inquiries about sponsoring the podcast, email podcast@lennyrachitsky.com.—Lenny may be an investor in the companies discussed. To hear more, visit www.lennysnewsletter.com

Ex-Google GBP Director Brad Wetherall Reveals Expert Tips to Optimize your Google Business Profile and Leverage AI for Maximum Local SEO Impact Are you future proofing your Google Business Profile for AI? In Part Two of Bob's interview with Brad Wetherall, former Google Director and CEO of the GBP Experts, we explore how AI is transforming local SEO. With over a decade at Google, Brad shares behind-the-scenes insights on how your business listing impacts both traditional search and Google's AI-driven results like AI Overviews. Learn what actions you need to take now to stay competitive in the evolving local search landscape. What You'll Learn How Google's AI uses GBP data to surface local businesses in AI Overviews and Search The 5 must-do GBP optimizations to boost ranking and AI visibility Why review volume and recency matter more than ever and how to outpace competitors Want to know how your Google Business Profile stacks up? Get a free GBP audit at LocalSEOTactics.com and discover what's holding you back in local search and AI rankings.  https://www.localseotactics.com/how-ai-is-changing-google-business-profiles-gbp-expert-insights-from-former-google-director-brad-wetherall Check out Brad here:

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