Podcasts about Fud

FUD. Fear, uncertainty, doubt.I first learned about this sales and marketing tactic – which is aimed at influencing perceptions by highlighting potential negative outcomes – early in my career when working with big tech companies.An example – nobody ever got fired for buying IBM.Then later in my career when I worked with cybersecurity companies, I saw the tactic on steroids.But I always wondered – is this really the most effective way to treat our potential customers? Is this customer-first marketing? Is there a better way?So I rejoiced when I saw an anti-FUD lesson in a recent podcast guest application. To hear that lesson, along with many more lesson-filled stories, I talked to B2B fractional marketing executive Nick Lagalante.Lessons from the things he madeConsultative selling sharpens your messageYou don't need to scare people to sell them security (FUD vs. value-driven messaging)Research-driven rebranding preserves valueGenuine partnerships redefine tech PRCollaborative creativity sparks breakthrough campaignsStrategic internal comms empower brand resilienceDiscussed in this episodeThe 8 Micro-Yes Architecture that Drives Conversion – Join us on Thursday, May 8th at 1 pm EDT for the latest session of MEC200: Design Your Offer [https://join.meclabsai.com/design-your-offer] (from MeclabsAI, MarketingSherpa's parent company). Discover how a series of small, affirmative steps can guide your prospects toward a big, final “yes”...transforming incremental trust into measurable conversion. Content & Communications: Use your marketing budget and AI to make your customers' lives more fun and interesting (podcast episode #51) [https://marketingsherpa.com/article/interview/content-and-communications]Get more episodesSubscribe to the MarketingSherpa email newsletter [https://www.marketingsherpa.com/newsletters] to get more insights from your fellow marketers. Sign up for free if you'd like to get more episodes like this one.For more insights, check out...This podcast is not about marketing – it is about the marketer. It draws its inspiration from the Flint McGlaughlin quote, “The key to transformative marketing is a transformed marketer” from the Become a Marketer-Philosopher: Create and optimize high-converting webpages [https://meclabs.com/course/] free digital marketing course. Apply to be a guestIf you would like to apply to be a guest on How I Made It In Marketing, here is the podcast guest application – https://www.marketingsherpa.com/page/podcast-guest-application

After a majorly successful week for the Celestia ecosystem, winning Noble's new AppLayer & Ethena's 'Converge' chain, we are coming to you with an episode recorded in Denver this year with Nick White.We first touched on FUD and asked Nick to openly address the FUD from the community regarding staking, locked tokens, and the tokenomics in general.The technical discussion started their "Go Bigger" roadmap with gigabyte blocks, and dive into how ZK accounts and lazy bridging. Nick explains that their approach isn't about chasing quick gains but building the infrastructure that can *actually* support thousands of rollups.Let's explore.Join The Rollup Edge: https://members.therollup.coWebsite: https://therollup.co/Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/1P6ZeYd..Podcast: https://therollup.co/category/podcastFollow us on X: https://www.x.com/therollupcoFollow Rob on X: https://www.x.com/robbie_rollupFollow Andy on X: https://www.x.com/ayyyeandyJoin our TG group: https://t.me/+8ARkR_YZixE5YjBhThe Rollup Disclosures: https://therollup.co/the-rollup-discl

Anche se l'annuncio del super chip Majorana1 è stato parecchio ridimensionato dalla comunità scientifica, si riaccende il dibattito sulla resistenza quantica di Bitcoin dopo il talk, molto provocatorio, di uno dei massimi espertti in materia.Inoltre: nasce la Bitcoin Human Alliance, torna a parlare Gloria Zhao, e un nuovo enigma del Bitcoin Puzzle è stato risolto.It's showtime!

✔️ Sources: ► https://x.com/bitcoin_is_kool/status/1912226963848368405?s=52&t=CKH2brGypO5fEYTgQ-EFhQ► https://x.com/GrassFedBitcoin/status/1912243295700545547Timestamps:00:00 - Intro 00:46 - posts about firmware not connecting01:27 - Similar issues happened in 2024 and we reported on it Portlandhodl clip reference 02:20 - Ad spot for Tselly and Archimedes Emporium 02:54 - Root cause of the issue (spoiler its more boring then the FUD going around!)03:45 - Is bitmain being nefarious?04:50 - Ocean minings communication on this issue, how are they doing?05:02 - If you are a bitcoin miner what can you do? 05:45 - 3rd parties often throw each other under the bus 07:00 - Who is responsible?✔ Check out our Sponsors, support Bitcoin ONLY Businesses:► https://archemp.co/Discover the pinnacle of precision engineering. Our very first product, the bitcoin logo wall clock, is meticulously machined in Maine from a solid block of aerospace-grade aluminum, ensuring unparalleled durability and performance. We don't compromise on quality – no castings, just solid, high-grade material. Our state-of-the-art CNC machining center achieves tolerances of 1/1000th of an inch, guaranteeing a perfect fit and finish every time. Invest in a product built to last, with the exacting standards you deserve.► Tselly Says: FUG!► Join Our telegram: https://t.me/PlebUnderGroundChat #Bitcoin #crypto #cryptocurrency #dailybitcoinnews #bitcoinmining #bitcoinminers DISCLAIMER:The information provided by Pleb Underground ("we," "us," or "our") on Youtube.com (the "Site") our show is for general informational purposes only. All information on the show is provided in good faith, however we make no representation or warranty of any kind, express or implied, regarding the accuracy, adequacy, validity, reliability, availability, or completeness of any information on the Site. UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCE SHALL WE HAVE ANY LIABILITY TO YOU FOR ANY LOSS OR DAMAGE OF ANY KIND INCURRED AS A RESULT OF THE USE OF THE SHOW OR RELIANCE ON ANY INFORMATION PROVIDED ON THE SHOW. YOUR USE OF THE SHOW AND YOUR RELIANCE ON ANY INFORMATION ON THE SHOW IS SOLELY AT YOUR OWN RISK.

In this episode, Dave and Jamison answer these questions: Hey, I am a web developer getting bored of the regular development work. I am interested in finance and the monetary system and due to the overlap of finance and engineering I feel down the Bitcoin rabbit hole and even spiked interest in crypto like Solana and Sui. I am pretty sure most of crypto is a FUD, delulu or straight up scam, yet the technology looks appealing and interesting to learn. So that said, I am still really interested in learning more about crypto and dabbling in the development space of that. Yet, I am hesitant because I fear that this could reflect negatively on me. What do you think? Is a bit of crypto okay or really that bad? Hi Dave and Jamison After five years as an engineering manager, I want to return to coding. But I'm facing a few challenges: First, I worry about leaving my current team. It feels like I'm abandoning the people I've been supporting. Should I make this transition elsewhere to avoid this awkwardness? Second, I'm struggling to find time and energy to rebuild my technical skills. After a full day of management work, it's hard to open the laptop again for coding practice. Finally, I've been humbled by how rusty my coding skills have become. Tasks that would take a practiced engineer minutes are taking me days, which is frustrating and denting my confidence. How have others successfully navigated this pendulum swing back to an IC role without burning bridges or burning out? Thanks, a rubber duck

✔️ Sources: ► https://assets.contentstack.io/v3/assets/bltf8d808d9b8cebd37/blt941a23a55f18d2b0/67f2f722e78a92adc130dcaf/form-8-k_04-07-2025.pdf► https://x.com/Sina_21st/status/1909455531665715690► https://x.com/sircryptotips/status/1909346146302263496► https://x.com/lpcapitalchi/status/1909420138111127635?s=52&t=CKH2brGypO5fEYTgQ-EFhQTimestamps:00:00 - Intro 01:00 - MSTR releases 8k filing 02:00 - Why does a public company file an 8K report? 03:18 - Why you don't put people on a pedestal 04:00 - And out comes the FUD!04:40 - Sponsor Ad Spot05:15 - Where did this FUD come from? 06:26 - The truth about the statements made in the 8k filing 07:00 - Why employ this language in the document? CYA?08:40 - Thoughts on the current market and MSTR09:00 - The Real reason MSTR filed an 8k document 10:02 - Proof of FUD✔ Check out our Sponsor, support Bitcoin ONLY Businesses:► https://archemp.co/Discover the pinnacle of precision engineering. Our very first product, the bitcoin logo wall clock, is meticulously machined in Maine from a solid block of aerospace-grade aluminum, ensuring unparalleled durability and performance. We don't compromise on quality – no castings, just solid, high-grade material. Our state-of-the-art CNC machining center achieves tolerances of 1/1000th of an inch, guaranteeing a perfect fit and finish every time. Invest in a product built to last, with the exacting standards you deserve.► Tselly Says: FUG!► Join Our telegram: https://t.me/PlebUnderGroundChat #Bitcoin #crypto #cryptocurrency #dailybitcoinnews #memecoins The information provided by Pleb Underground ("we," "us," or "our") on Youtube.com (the "Site") our show is for general informational purposes only. All information on the show is provided in good faith, however we make no representation or warranty of any kind, express or implied, regarding the accuracy, adequacy, validity, reliability, availability, or completeness of any information on the Site. UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCE SHALL WE HAVE ANY LIABILITY TO YOU FOR ANY LOSS OR DAMAGE OF ANY KIND INCURRED AS A RESULT OF THE USE OF THE SHOW OR RELIANCE ON ANY INFORMATION PROVIDED ON THE SHOW. YOUR USE OF THE SHOW AND YOUR RELIANCE ON ANY INFORMATION ON THE SHOW IS SOLELY AT YOUR OWN RISK.

Efter många års tjat kommer den till slut - pratan om det svenska NFT-projektet World of Alidia! Det blir en rafflande berättelse om svek, FUD, moraliska tveksamheter och inte minst - en storslagen, prisförtjänt flashbacktråd. In och läs den för guds skull!Trevlig lyssning och varmt tack till dundergänget på https://www.patreon.com/FlashbackForeverMias tråd:https://www.flashback.org/t3429545Andra länkar:https://www.breakit.se/artikel/37390/vanja-wikstrom-om-world-of-alidia-det-ar-ett-gift-vi-har-blivit-motarbetade-fran-borjanhttps://www.svd.se/a/zEy695/haveri-for-vanja-wikstroms-nft-projekt-world-of-alidiahttps://veckorevyn.com/nyheter/sa-gick-vanja-wikstroms-nft-projekt-fran-glitter-till-aska-det-ar-en-sorg-och-en-lattnad/https://www.aftonbladet.se/nojesbladet/a/jlJrkb/influencern-vanja-wikstroms-kritiserade-nft-projekt-laggs-ner-efter-bara-ett-arhttps://www.aftonbladet.se/nojesbladet/a/dw884X/world-of-alidia-vanja-wikstromhttps://vanjawikstrom.femina.se/https://www.flashback.org/sp91346080 (AMA:er) Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Q2 2025 has already begun, but public markets reporting has only just finished with Q4 2024. To tie a bow on Q4 2024, we are thankful to have Troy Jensen (Managing Director, Cantor Fitzgerald) return and join Danny Piper (Managing Partner, NewCap Partners) for Printing Money Episode 27. Danny and Troy kick off this episode discussing themes they've noticed in public and private additive manufacturing (AM) markets as 2024 completed and 2025 began. It's mentioned later in the episode, but you might say there's a FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt) factor hanging over the industry—further exacerbated by global macro issues. Looking through these “FUD-dy” lenses, Danny and Troy then move on to the 2024 annual 3D printing market data reports recently issued by AM Research and AMPOWER. How well did these reports sync with what our esteemed host and guest are seeing in their worlds? Then, Danny and Troy dive into what this quarterly check-in is all about—the quarterly reporting from the publicly traded AM companies. Fact is, there are fewer public companies out there nowadays, and even fewer that are reporting their numbers with regularity. So, Episode 27 is relatively brief, but chock full of value. RAPID + TCT, the largest 3D printing event in the USA, takes place this week, so if you want to sound smart on the trade show floor or in one of the many expert sessions, perhaps take some tidings from Episode 27. Please enjoy Episode 27, and please join Danny, Troy, and your other favorite Printing Money personalities at RAPID in Detroit this week! This episode was recorded March 31, 2025. Timestamps: 00:14 – Welcome to Episode 27 and welcome back to Troy Jensen (Cantor Fitzgerald) 00:41 – Themes coming out of Q4 into 2025: Tariff stagnation, flat-to-slightly-up guidance, low visibility, reasons for optimism 02:13 – Private 3DP/AM markets picking back up 02:33 – Recent market data reports from AM Research and AMPOWER 03:37 – Nikon SLM Solutions (7731.JP) Q4 2024 results and analysis 05:35 – BLT (688333.SH) Q4 2024 results and analysis 06:10 – Valuation dislocation? China 3DP/AM stock performance 08:06 – Deal on?! Legal victory for Desktop Metal (DM) over Nano Dimension (NNDM) 11:07 – Balancing act: NNDM-DM-MKFG integration challenges and industry implications 14:38 – FUD Factor (Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt) 15:03 – Stratasys (SSYS) Q4 2024 results and analysis 17:05 – 3D Systems (DDD) Q4 2024 results and analysis 20:15 – Materialise (MTLS) Q4 2024 results and analysis 21:38 – Investors need to wake up and stop looking for software returns in manufacturing 24:15 – AM production in Europe is in shambles 25:15 – Public markets expectations are built into stock pricing 26:38 – Looking forward to RAPID 27:21 – Thanks again to Troy and thanks for listening Disclaimer: This content is for informational purposes only. You should not construe any such information or other material as legal, tax, investment, financial, or other advice. Nothing stated on this podcast constitutes a solicitation, recommendation, endorsement, or offer by the hosts, the organizer, or any third-party service provider to buy or sell any securities or other financial instruments in this or in any other jurisdiction in which such solicitation or offer would be unlawful under the securities laws of such jurisdiction. The information on this podcast is of a general nature that does not address the circumstances and risk profile of any individual or entity and should not constitute professional and/or financial advice. Referenced transactions are sourced from publicly available information. Danny Piper is a registered representative of Finalis Securities LLC, member FINRA/SIPC. This material has been prepared for information and educational purposes only, and it is not intended to provide, nor should it be relied on for, tax, legal, or investment advice. Investors should consult with their own tax, legal,

✔️ Sources: ► https://x.com/maxkeiser/status/1903637582342164484?s=52&t=CKH2brGypO5fEYTgQ-EFhQ► https://x.com/maxkeiser/status/1902713228548780251?s=52&t=CKH2brGypO5fEYTgQ-EFhQ► https://x.com/fiatarchive/status/1902529842333282390?s=52&t=CKH2brGypO5fEYTgQ-EFhQ► https://x.com/Dennis_Porter_/status/1903892319088361837► https://www.imf.org/en/About/Factsheets/Sheets/2022/IMF-World-Bank-New#:~:text=Shared%20roots%20and%20goals,to%20economic%20developments%20and%20challenges.Timestamps:00:00 - Cynthia Lummis talking about US dumping gold for bitcoin 00:49 - Ad Spot 01:50 - Last weeks influx of FUD and Hopium 02:38 - IMF warns US against bitcoin! 03:06 - IMF now claims bitcoin is digital gold? 04:00 - IMF forbids US from doing bitbonds? 05:00 - IMF requests US to liquidate its SBR?05:50 - Some thoughts on this nonsense06:10 - If your conviction comes from these hype men you will get REKT08:00 - Some thoughts on conviction #Bitcoin #crypto #cryptocurrency #dailybitcoinnews #memecoins The information provided by Pleb Underground ("we," "us," or "our") on Youtube.com (the "Site") our show is for general informational purposes only. All information on the show is provided in good faith, however we make no representation or warranty of any kind, express or implied, regarding the accuracy, adequacy, validity, reliability, availability, or completeness of any information on the Site. UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCE SHALL WE HAVE ANY LIABILITY TO YOU FOR ANY LOSS OR DAMAGE OF ANY KIND INCURRED AS A RESULT OF THE USE OF THE SHOW OR RELIANCE ON ANY INFORMATION PROVIDED ON THE SHOW. YOUR USE OF THE SHOW AND YOUR RELIANCE ON ANY INFORMATION ON THE SHOW IS SOLELY AT YOUR OWN RISK.

¿Solana realmente se acabó… o estamos frente a una de las mayores oportunidades en cripto? En este episodio, te cuento sin filtros qué está pasando con Solana en 2025: desde las caídas de precio, las polémicas y el FUD, hasta los desarrollos que siguen empujando el ecosistema. Te revelo datos que pocos mencionan, mi análisis personal como inversor, y si todavía vale la pena invertir o hacer staking en SOL.------------------------------------------------

Trump FAFO: Tariffs, Bitcoin Reserve & Crypto Bloodbath - An AI Take on Our ConversationEpisode Description:Welcome to another episode of Blockchain DXB & Society X – but this time, it's a bit different! In today's episode, AI takes over to review our recent conversation about some of the most explosive developments in the crypto and economic space. Using Google's Notebook LM to generate the audio, this episode gives a unique, AI-driven perspective on the critical points discussed.We break down our recent LinkedIn Live session, where we dived into:

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Torna Paolo Ardoino, CEO di Tether, ospite al BIPSHOW.Gli chiediamo quello che nessuno ha osato chiedergli: ti senti un'agente del dollaro USA? USDT è una CBDC? Sei Anakin Skywalker?Inotre: il Montana dice no alla riserva strategica cripto, ByBit svuotata dagli hacker non sorprende nessuno, e il chip Maiorana alimenta una nuova quantum FUD.It's showtime!

It's simple, if you can acquire 0.1 Bitcoin, you will be part of an elite club of fewer than 0.0005% of people in the world. Watch on YouTube - https://youtu.be/sW-Ht6aIza4In this episode, Jarrett Carpenter explores the reasons why 99% of people will never own 0.1 Bitcoin. He discusses the impact of fear, uncertainty, and doubt (FUD) on public perception of Bitcoin, the economic barriers that prevent individuals from investing, and the implications of digital scarcity. The conversation also delves into global income disparities and how they affect access to Bitcoin, as well as current statistics on Bitcoin ownership. Ultimately, Jarrett emphasizes the urgency of investing in Bitcoin as its value continues to rise.Key Takeaways:- 99% of people will never own 0.1 Bitcoin.- FUD significantly impacts people's investment decisions.- Economic barriers prevent many from investing in Bitcoin.- Only 41% of Americans can afford a $1,000 emergency expense.- Digital scarcity makes Bitcoin increasingly valuable.- There will only ever be 21 million Bitcoins available.- 4.5 million wallets hold more than 0.1 Bitcoin.- Owning 0.1 Bitcoin places you in the top 1% of holders.- The Bitcoin FOMO cycle drives demand and price increases.- Investing in Bitcoin requires early action and sacrifice.EPISODE CHATPERS00:00 - Intro00:15 - 3 Reasons Why People Will Likely Never Own 0.1 Bitcoin00:44 - Lack Of Conviction Cycle01:25 - FUD's Role In The Cycle02:36 - Macro & Micro Economic Reasons5:10 - How Many People Could DCA $100 Weekly Into BTC09:14 - If You DCA $100 Weekly Into BTC, How Long Til 0.1 Bitcoin?13:49 - Breaking Down Bitcoin's Scarcity14:41 - Bitcoin's Distribution16:00 - Bitcoin In Circulation17:50 - How Many Wallets Have More Than 0.1 Bitcoin18:42 - If You Have 0.1 Bitcoin, You're In The 0.001% 20:24 - Bitcoin FOMO CycleFollow Jarrett on X - https://x.com/jcrpntrFuture Signal is a podcast hosted and produced by Jarrett Carpenter that explores tomorrow's tech today via guest interviewsAll of Future Signal's content is not financial advice but rather edu-tainment. All of our episodes are available on YT as well as wherever you listen to podcasts.Please follow us on social media and check out our website:Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/futuresignalpod/Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/futuresignalpodLinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/company/future-signal-pod/YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@futuresignalpodTwitch - https://www.twitch.tv/futuresignalpodFor more info on the podcast, please check out https://www.futuresignal.xyz/To learn more about Future Signal's Host - https://www.jarrettcarpenter.com/

Argentine lawmakers have launched a movement to impeach President Javier Milei following a cryptocurrency-related controversy that led to the loss of millions of dollars from investors. Solana ecosystem is once again in the crosshairs of FUD.~This episode is sponsored by Tangem~Tangem ➜ https://bit.ly/TangemPBNUse Code: "PBN" for Additional Discounts!00:00 Intro00:16 Sponsor: Tangem00:54 Javier Milei denies $LIBRA02:30 Impeachment?03:10 JUP investigation04:44 KOLs coping + #istandwithJUP06:12 Solana is not all memes06:48 Toly needs better messaging07:43 "This time Solana is not coming back"08:52 Hester Pierce talks memecoins11:29 FTX will save the market?12:05 ETH vs SOL + ETH staking soon?13:06 SUI season incoming + Wen Walrus?14:44 Outro#Solana #Crypto #Bitcoin~Solana FUD Crashes Altcoins

Stablecoin giant Tether may have to sell some of its Bitcoin in order to comply with proposed U.S. regulations, according to a report from the world's biggest bank, JP Morgan. ~This episode is sponsored by Tangem~Tangem ➜ https://bit.ly/TangemPBNUse Code: "PBN" for Additional Discounts!00:00 Intro00:14 Sponsor: Tangem00:45 Tether vs JP Morgan01:50 JPM BTC holdings02:24 Gold Soaring; BTC lagging?03:52 Worst Fed pivot?04:34 CNBC - Should the Fed hike next month?07:06 Bernstein doubles Robinhood price target07:56 Vlad: Crypto is the big story10:00 Solana Banking10:52 BNB case pause11:30 Outro#Bitcoin #ethereum #Crypto~Tether Selling Bitcoin?

If you're in SF, join us tomorrow for a fun meetup at CodeGen Night!If you're in NYC, join us for AI Engineer Summit! The Agent Engineering track is now sold out, but 25 tickets remain for AI Leadership and 5 tickets for the workshops. You can see the full schedule of speakers and workshops at https://ai.engineer!It's exceedingly hard to introduce someone like Bret Taylor. We could recite his Wikipedia page, or his extensive work history through Silicon Valley's greatest companies, but everyone else already does that.As a podcast by AI engineers for AI engineers, we had the opportunity to do something a little different. We wanted to dig into what Bret sees from his vantage point at the top of our industry for the last 2 decades, and how that explains the rise of the AI Architect at Sierra, the leading conversational AI/CX platform.“Across our customer base, we are seeing a new role emerge - the role of the AI architect. These leaders are responsible for helping define, manage and evolve their company's AI agent over time. They come from a variety of both technical and business backgrounds, and we think that every company will have one or many AI architects managing their AI agent and related experience.”In our conversation, Bret Taylor confirms the Paul Buchheit legend that he rewrote Google Maps in a weekend, armed with only the help of a then-nascent Google Closure Compiler and no other modern tooling. But what we find remarkable is that he was the PM of Maps, not an engineer, though of course he still identifies as one. We find this theme recurring throughout Bret's career and worldview. We think it is plain as day that AI leadership will have to be hands-on and technical, especially when the ground is shifting as quickly as it is today:“There's a lot of power in combining product and engineering into as few people as possible… few great things have been created by committee.”“If engineering is an order taking organization for product you can sometimes make meaningful things, but rarely will you create extremely well crafted breakthrough products. Those tend to be small teams who deeply understand the customer need that they're solving, who have a maniacal focus on outcomes.”“And I think the reason why is if you look at like software as a service five years ago, maybe you can have a separation of product and engineering because most software as a service created five years ago. I wouldn't say there's like a lot of technological breakthroughs required for most business applications. And if you're making expense reporting software or whatever, it's useful… You kind of know how databases work, how to build auto scaling with your AWS cluster, whatever, you know, it's just, you're just applying best practices to yet another problem. "When you have areas like the early days of mobile development or the early days of interactive web applications, which I think Google Maps and Gmail represent, or now AI agents, you're in this constant conversation with what the requirements of your customers and stakeholders are and all the different people interacting with it and the capabilities of the technology. And it's almost impossible to specify the requirements of a product when you're not sure of the limitations of the technology itself.”This is the first time the difference between technical leadership for “normal” software and for “AI” software was articulated this clearly for us, and we'll be thinking a lot about this going forward. We left a lot of nuggets in the conversation, so we hope you'll just dive in with us (and thank Bret for joining the pod!)Timestamps* 00:00:02 Introductions and Bret Taylor's background* 00:01:23 Bret's experience at Stanford and the dot-com era* 00:04:04 The story of rewriting Google Maps backend* 00:11:06 Early days of interactive web applications at Google* 00:15:26 Discussion on product management and engineering roles* 00:21:00 AI and the future of software development* 00:26:42 Bret's approach to identifying customer needs and building AI companies* 00:32:09 The evolution of business models in the AI era* 00:41:00 The future of programming languages and software development* 00:49:38 Challenges in precisely communicating human intent to machines* 00:56:44 Discussion on Artificial General Intelligence (AGI) and its impact* 01:08:51 The future of agent-to-agent communication* 01:14:03 Bret's involvement in the OpenAI leadership crisis* 01:22:11 OpenAI's relationship with Microsoft* 01:23:23 OpenAI's mission and priorities* 01:27:40 Bret's guiding principles for career choices* 01:29:12 Brief discussion on pasta-making* 01:30:47 How Bret keeps up with AI developments* 01:32:15 Exciting research directions in AI* 01:35:19 Closing remarks and hiring at Sierra Transcript[00:02:05] Introduction and Guest Welcome[00:02:05] Alessio: Hey everyone, welcome to the Latent Space Podcast. This is Alessio, partner and CTO at Decibel Partners, and I'm joined by my co host swyx, founder of smol.ai.[00:02:17] swyx: Hey, and today we're super excited to have Bret Taylor join us. Welcome. Thanks for having me. It's a little unreal to have you in the studio.[00:02:25] swyx: I've read about you so much over the years, like even before. Open AI effectively. I mean, I use Google Maps to get here. So like, thank you for everything that you've done. Like, like your story history, like, you know, I think people can find out what your greatest hits have been.[00:02:40] Bret Taylor's Early Career and Education[00:02:40] swyx: How do you usually like to introduce yourself when, you know, you talk about, you summarize your career, like, how do you look at yourself?[00:02:47] Bret: Yeah, it's a great question. You know, we, before we went on the mics here, we're talking about the audience for this podcast being more engineering. And I do think depending on the audience, I'll introduce myself differently because I've had a lot of [00:03:00] corporate and board roles. I probably self identify as an engineer more than anything else though.[00:03:04] Bret: So even when I was. Salesforce, I was coding on the weekends. So I think of myself as an engineer and then all the roles that I do in my career sort of start with that just because I do feel like engineering is sort of a mindset and how I approach most of my life. So I'm an engineer first and that's how I describe myself.[00:03:24] Bret: You majored in computer[00:03:25] swyx: science, like 1998. And, and I was high[00:03:28] Bret: school, actually my, my college degree was Oh, two undergrad. Oh, three masters. Right. That old.[00:03:33] swyx: Yeah. I mean, no, I was going, I was going like 1998 to 2003, but like engineering wasn't as, wasn't a thing back then. Like we didn't have the title of senior engineer, you know, kind of like, it was just.[00:03:44] swyx: You were a programmer, you were a developer, maybe. What was it like in Stanford? Like, what was that feeling like? You know, was it, were you feeling like on the cusp of a great computer revolution? Or was it just like a niche, you know, interest at the time?[00:03:57] Stanford and the Dot-Com Bubble[00:03:57] Bret: Well, I was at Stanford, as you said, from 1998 to [00:04:00] 2002.[00:04:02] Bret: 1998 was near the peak of the dot com bubble. So. This is back in the day where most people that they're coding in the computer lab, just because there was these sun microsystems, Unix boxes there that most of us had to do our assignments on. And every single day there was a. com like buying pizza for everybody.[00:04:20] Bret: I didn't have to like, I got. Free food, like my first two years of university and then the dot com bubble burst in the middle of my college career. And so by the end there was like tumbleweed going to the job fair, you know, it was like, cause it was hard to describe unless you were there at the time, the like level of hype and being a computer science major at Stanford was like, A thousand opportunities.[00:04:45] Bret: And then, and then when I left, it was like Microsoft, IBM.[00:04:49] Joining Google and Early Projects[00:04:49] Bret: And then the two startups that I applied to were VMware and Google. And I ended up going to Google in large part because a woman named Marissa Meyer, who had been a teaching [00:05:00] assistant when I was, what was called a section leader, which was like a junior teaching assistant kind of for one of the big interest.[00:05:05] Bret: Yes. Classes. She had gone there. And she was recruiting me and I knew her and it was sort of felt safe, you know, like, I don't know. I thought about it much, but it turned out to be a real blessing. I realized like, you know, you always want to think you'd pick Google if given the option, but no one knew at the time.[00:05:20] Bret: And I wonder if I'd graduated in like 1999 where I've been like, mom, I just got a job at pets. com. It's good. But you know, at the end I just didn't have any options. So I was like, do I want to go like make kernel software at VMware? Do I want to go build search at Google? And I chose Google. 50, 50 ball.[00:05:36] Bret: I'm not really a 50, 50 ball. So I feel very fortunate in retrospect that the economy collapsed because in some ways it forced me into like one of the greatest companies of all time, but I kind of lucked into it, I think.[00:05:47] The Google Maps Rewrite Story[00:05:47] Alessio: So the famous story about Google is that you rewrote the Google maps back in, in one week after the map quest quest maps acquisition, what was the story there?[00:05:57] Alessio: Is it. Actually true. Is it [00:06:00] being glorified? Like how, how did that come to be? And is there any detail that maybe Paul hasn't shared before?[00:06:06] Bret: It's largely true, but I'll give the color commentary. So it was actually the front end, not the back end, but it turns out for Google maps, the front end was sort of the hard part just because Google maps was.[00:06:17] Bret: Largely the first ish kind of really interactive web application, say first ish. I think Gmail certainly was though Gmail, probably a lot of people then who weren't engineers probably didn't appreciate its level of interactivity. It was just fast, but. Google maps, because you could drag the map and it was sort of graphical.[00:06:38] Bret: My, it really in the mainstream, I think, was it a map[00:06:41] swyx: quest back then that was, you had the arrows up and down, it[00:06:44] Bret: was up and down arrows. Each map was a single image and you just click left and then wait for a few seconds to the new map to let it was really small too, because generating a big image was kind of expensive on computers that day.[00:06:57] Bret: So Google maps was truly innovative in that [00:07:00] regard. The story on it. There was a small company called where two technologies started by two Danish brothers, Lars and Jens Rasmussen, who are two of my closest friends now. They had made a windows app called expedition, which had beautiful maps. Even in 2000.[00:07:18] Bret: For whenever we acquired or sort of acquired their company, Windows software was not particularly fashionable, but they were really passionate about mapping and we had made a local search product that was kind of middling in terms of popularity, sort of like a yellow page of search product. So we wanted to really go into mapping.[00:07:36] Bret: We'd started working on it. Their small team seemed passionate about it. So we're like, come join us. We can build this together.[00:07:42] Technical Challenges and Innovations[00:07:42] Bret: It turned out to be a great blessing that they had built a windows app because you're less technically constrained when you're doing native code than you are building a web browser, particularly back then when there weren't really interactive web apps and it ended up.[00:07:56] Bret: Changing the level of quality that we [00:08:00] wanted to hit with the app because we were shooting for something that felt like a native windows application. So it was a really good fortune that we sort of, you know, their unusual technical choices turned out to be the greatest blessing. So we spent a lot of time basically saying, how can you make a interactive draggable map in a web browser?[00:08:18] Bret: How do you progressively load, you know, new map tiles, you know, as you're dragging even things like down in the weeds of the browser at the time, most browsers like Internet Explorer, which was dominant at the time would only load two images at a time from the same domain. So we ended up making our map tile servers have like.[00:08:37] Bret: Forty different subdomains so we could load maps and parallels like lots of hacks. I'm happy to go into as much as like[00:08:44] swyx: HTTP connections and stuff.[00:08:46] Bret: They just like, there was just maximum parallelism of two. And so if you had a map, set of map tiles, like eight of them, so So we just, we were down in the weeds of the browser anyway.[00:08:56] Bret: So it was lots of plumbing. I can, I know a lot more about browsers than [00:09:00] most people, but then by the end of it, it was fairly, it was a lot of duct tape on that code. If you've ever done an engineering project where you're not really sure the path from point A to point B, it's almost like. Building a house by building one room at a time.[00:09:14] Bret: The, there's not a lot of architectural cohesion at the end. And then we acquired a company called Keyhole, which became Google earth, which was like that three, it was a native windows app as well, separate app, great app, but with that, we got licenses to all this satellite imagery. And so in August of 2005, we added.[00:09:33] Bret: Satellite imagery to Google Maps, which added even more complexity in the code base. And then we decided we wanted to support Safari. There was no mobile phones yet. So Safari was this like nascent browser on, on the Mac. And it turns out there's like a lot of decisions behind the scenes, sort of inspired by this windows app, like heavy use of XML and XSLT and all these like.[00:09:54] Bret: Technologies that were like briefly fashionable in the early two thousands and everyone hates now for good [00:10:00] reason. And it turns out that all of the XML functionality and Internet Explorer wasn't supporting Safari. So people are like re implementing like XML parsers. And it was just like this like pile of s**t.[00:10:11] Bret: And I had to say a s**t on your part. Yeah, of[00:10:12] Alessio: course.[00:10:13] Bret: So. It went from this like beautifully elegant application that everyone was proud of to something that probably had hundreds of K of JavaScript, which sounds like nothing. Now we're talking like people have modems, you know, not all modems, but it was a big deal.[00:10:29] Bret: So it was like slow. It took a while to load and just, it wasn't like a great code base. Like everything was fragile. So I just got. Super frustrated by it. And then one weekend I did rewrite all of it. And at the time the word JSON hadn't been coined yet too, just to give you a sense. So it's all XML.[00:10:47] swyx: Yeah.[00:10:47] Bret: So we used what is now you would call JSON, but I just said like, let's use eval so that we can parse the data fast. And, and again, that's, it would literally as JSON, but at the time there was no name for it. So we [00:11:00] just said, let's. Pass on JavaScript from the server and eval it. And then somebody just refactored the whole thing.[00:11:05] Bret: And, and it wasn't like I was some genius. It was just like, you know, if you knew everything you wished you had known at the beginning and I knew all the functionality, cause I was the primary, one of the primary authors of the JavaScript. And I just like, I just drank a lot of coffee and just stayed up all weekend.[00:11:22] Bret: And then I, I guess I developed a bit of reputation and no one knew about this for a long time. And then Paul who created Gmail and I ended up starting a company with him too, after all of this told this on a podcast and now it's large, but it's largely true. I did rewrite it and it, my proudest thing.[00:11:38] Bret: And I think JavaScript people appreciate this. Like the un G zipped bundle size for all of Google maps. When I rewrote, it was 20 K G zipped. It was like much smaller for the entire application. It went down by like 10 X. So. What happened on Google? Google is a pretty mainstream company. And so like our usage is shot up because it turns out like it's faster.[00:11:57] Bret: Just being faster is worth a lot of [00:12:00] percentage points of growth at a scale of Google. So how[00:12:03] swyx: much modern tooling did you have? Like test suites no compilers.[00:12:07] Bret: Actually, that's not true. We did it one thing. So I actually think Google, I, you can. Download it. There's a, Google has a closure compiler, a closure compiler.[00:12:15] Bret: I don't know if anyone still uses it. It's gone. Yeah. Yeah. It's sort of gone out of favor. Yeah. Well, even until recently it was better than most JavaScript minifiers because it was more like it did a lot more renaming of variables and things. Most people use ES build now just cause it's fast and closure compilers built on Java and super slow and stuff like that.[00:12:37] Bret: But, so we did have that, that was it. Okay.[00:12:39] The Evolution of Web Applications[00:12:39] Bret: So and that was treated internally, you know, it was a really interesting time at Google at the time because there's a lot of teams working on fairly advanced JavaScript when no one was. So Google suggest, which Kevin Gibbs was the tech lead for, was the first kind of type ahead, autocomplete, I believe in a web browser, and now it's just pervasive in search boxes that you sort of [00:13:00] see a type ahead there.[00:13:01] Bret: I mean, chat, dbt[00:13:01] swyx: just added it. It's kind of like a round trip.[00:13:03] Bret: Totally. No, it's now pervasive as a UI affordance, but that was like Kevin's 20 percent project. And then Gmail, Paul you know, he tells the story better than anyone, but he's like, you know, basically was scratching his own itch, but what was really neat about it is email, because it's such a productivity tool, just needed to be faster.[00:13:21] Bret: So, you know, he was scratching his own itch of just making more stuff work on the client side. And then we, because of Lars and Yen sort of like setting the bar of this windows app or like we need our maps to be draggable. So we ended up. Not only innovate in terms of having a big sync, what would be called a single page application today, but also all the graphical stuff you know, we were crashing Firefox, like it was going out of style because, you know, when you make a document object model with the idea that it's a document and then you layer on some JavaScript and then we're essentially abusing all of this, it just was running into code paths that were not.[00:13:56] Bret: Well, it's rotten, you know, at this time. And so it was [00:14:00] super fun. And, and, you know, in the building you had, so you had compilers, people helping minify JavaScript just practically, but there is a great engineering team. So they were like, that's why Closure Compiler is so good. It was like a. Person who actually knew about programming languages doing it, not just, you know, writing regular expressions.[00:14:17] Bret: And then the team that is now the Chrome team believe, and I, I don't know this for a fact, but I'm pretty sure Google is the main contributor to Firefox for a long time in terms of code. And a lot of browser people were there. So every time we would crash Firefox, we'd like walk up two floors and say like, what the hell is going on here?[00:14:35] Bret: And they would load their browser, like in a debugger. And we could like figure out exactly what was breaking. And you can't change the code, right? Cause it's the browser. It's like slow, right? I mean, slow to update. So, but we could figure out exactly where the bug was and then work around it in our JavaScript.[00:14:52] Bret: So it was just like new territory. Like so super, super fun time, just like a lot of, a lot of great engineers figuring out [00:15:00] new things. And And now, you know, the word, this term is no longer in fashion, but the word Ajax, which was asynchronous JavaScript and XML cause I'm telling you XML, but see the word XML there, to be fair, the way you made HTTP requests from a client to server was this.[00:15:18] Bret: Object called XML HTTP request because Microsoft and making Outlook web access back in the day made this and it turns out to have nothing to do with XML. It's just a way of making HTTP requests because XML was like the fashionable thing. It was like that was the way you, you know, you did it. But the JSON came out of that, you know, and then a lot of the best practices around building JavaScript applications is pre React.[00:15:44] Bret: I think React was probably the big conceptual step forward that we needed. Even my first social network after Google, we used a lot of like HTML injection and. Making real time updates was still very hand coded and it's really neat when you [00:16:00] see conceptual breakthroughs like react because it's, I just love those things where it's like obvious once you see it, but it's so not obvious until you do.[00:16:07] Bret: And actually, well, I'm sure we'll get into AI, but I, I sort of feel like we'll go through that evolution with AI agents as well that I feel like we're missing a lot of the core abstractions that I think in 10 years we'll be like, gosh, how'd you make agents? Before that, you know, but it was kind of that early days of web applications.[00:16:22] swyx: There's a lot of contenders for the reactive jobs of of AI, but no clear winner yet. I would say one thing I was there for, I mean, there's so much we can go into there. You just covered so much.[00:16:32] Product Management and Engineering Synergy[00:16:32] swyx: One thing I just, I just observe is that I think the early Google days had this interesting mix of PM and engineer, which I think you are, you didn't, you didn't wait for PM to tell you these are my, this is my PRD.[00:16:42] swyx: This is my requirements.[00:16:44] mix: Oh,[00:16:44] Bret: okay.[00:16:45] swyx: I wasn't technically a software engineer. I mean,[00:16:48] Bret: by title, obviously. Right, right, right.[00:16:51] swyx: It's like a blend. And I feel like these days, product is its own discipline and its own lore and own industry and engineering is its own thing. And there's this process [00:17:00] that happens and they're kind of separated, but you don't produce as good of a product as if they were the same person.[00:17:06] swyx: And I'm curious, you know, if, if that, if that sort of resonates in, in, in terms of like comparing early Google versus modern startups that you see out there,[00:17:16] Bret: I certainly like wear a lot of hats. So, you know, sort of biased in this, but I really agree that there's a lot of power and combining product design engineering into as few people as possible because, you know few great things have been created by committee, you know, and so.[00:17:33] Bret: If engineering is an order taking organization for product you can sometimes make meaningful things, but rarely will you create extremely well crafted breakthrough products. Those tend to be small teams who deeply understand the customer need that they're solving, who have a. Maniacal focus on outcomes.[00:17:53] Bret: And I think the reason why it's, I think for some areas, if you look at like software as a service five years ago, maybe you can have a [00:18:00] separation of product and engineering because most software as a service created five years ago. I wouldn't say there's like a lot of like. Technological breakthroughs required for most, you know, business applications.[00:18:11] Bret: And if you're making expense reporting software or whatever, it's useful. I don't mean to be dismissive of expense reporting software, but you probably just want to understand like, what are the requirements of the finance department? What are the requirements of an individual file expense report? Okay.[00:18:25] Bret: Go implement that. And you kind of know how web applications are implemented. You kind of know how to. How databases work, how to build auto scaling with your AWS cluster, whatever, you know, it's just, you're just applying best practices to yet another problem when you have areas like the early days of mobile development or the early days of interactive web applications, which I think Google Maps and Gmail represent, or now AI agents, you're in this constant conversation with what the requirements of your customers and stakeholders are and all the different people interacting with it.[00:18:58] Bret: And the capabilities of the [00:19:00] technology. And it's almost impossible to specify the requirements of a product when you're not sure of the limitations of the technology itself. And that's why I use the word conversation. It's not literal. That's sort of funny to use that word in the age of conversational AI.[00:19:15] Bret: You're constantly sort of saying, like, ideally, you could sprinkle some magic AI pixie dust and solve all the world's problems, but it's not the way it works. And it turns out that actually, I'll just give an interesting example.[00:19:26] AI Agents and Modern Tooling[00:19:26] Bret: I think most people listening probably use co pilots to code like Cursor or Devon or Microsoft Copilot or whatever.[00:19:34] Bret: Most of those tools are, they're remarkable. I'm, I couldn't, you know, imagine development without them now, but they're not autonomous yet. Like I wouldn't let it just write most code without my interactively inspecting it. We just are somewhere between it's an amazing co pilot and it's an autonomous software engineer.[00:19:53] Bret: As a product manager, like your aspirations for what the product is are like kind of meaningful. But [00:20:00] if you're a product person, yeah, of course you'd say it should be autonomous. You should click a button and program should come out the other side. The requirements meaningless. Like what matters is like, what is based on the like very nuanced limitations of the technology.[00:20:14] Bret: What is it capable of? And then how do you maximize the leverage? It gives a software engineering team, given those very nuanced trade offs. Coupled with the fact that those nuanced trade offs are changing more rapidly than any technology in my memory, meaning every few months you'll have new models with new capabilities.[00:20:34] Bret: So how do you construct a product that can absorb those new capabilities as rapidly as possible as well? That requires such a combination of technical depth and understanding the customer that you really need more integration. Of product design and engineering. And so I think it's why with these big technology waves, I think startups have a bit of a leg up relative to incumbents because they [00:21:00] tend to be sort of more self actualized in terms of just like bringing those disciplines closer together.[00:21:06] Bret: And in particular, I think entrepreneurs, the proverbial full stack engineers, you know, have a leg up as well because. I think most breakthroughs happen when you have someone who can understand those extremely nuanced technical trade offs, have a vision for a product. And then in the process of building it, have that, as I said, like metaphorical conversation with the technology, right?[00:21:30] Bret: Gosh, I ran into a technical limit that I didn't expect. It's not just like changing that feature. You might need to refactor the whole product based on that. And I think that's, that it's particularly important right now. So I don't, you know, if you, if you're building a big ERP system, probably there's a great reason to have product and engineering.[00:21:51] Bret: I think in general, the disciplines are there for a reason. I think when you're dealing with something as nuanced as the like technologies, like large language models today, there's a ton of [00:22:00] advantage of having. Individuals or organizations that integrate the disciplines more formally.[00:22:05] Alessio: That makes a lot of sense.[00:22:06] Alessio: I've run a lot of engineering teams in the past, and I think the product versus engineering tension has always been more about effort than like whether or not the feature is buildable. But I think, yeah, today you see a lot more of like. Models actually cannot do that. And I think the most interesting thing is on the startup side, people don't yet know where a lot of the AI value is going to accrue.[00:22:26] Alessio: So you have this rush of people building frameworks, building infrastructure, layered things, but we don't really know the shape of the compute. I'm curious that Sierra, like how you thought about building an house, a lot of the tooling for evals or like just, you know, building the agents and all of that.[00:22:41] Alessio: Versus how you see some of the startup opportunities that is maybe still out there.[00:22:46] Bret: We build most of our tooling in house at Sierra, not all. It's, we don't, it's not like not invented here syndrome necessarily, though, maybe slightly guilty of that in some ways, but because we're trying to build a platform [00:23:00] that's in Dorian, you know, we really want to have control over our own destiny.[00:23:03] Bret: And you had made a comment earlier that like. We're still trying to figure out who like the reactive agents are and the jury is still out. I would argue it hasn't been created yet. I don't think the jury is still out to go use that metaphor. We're sort of in the jQuery era of agents, not the react era.[00:23:19] Bret: And, and that's like a throwback for people listening,[00:23:22] swyx: we shouldn't rush it. You know?[00:23:23] Bret: No, yeah, that's my point is. And so. Because we're trying to create an enduring company at Sierra that outlives us, you know, I'm not sure we want to like attach our cart to some like to a horse where it's not clear that like we've figured out and I actually want as a company, we're trying to enable just at a high level and I'll, I'll quickly go back to tech at Sierra, we help consumer brands build customer facing AI agents.[00:23:48] Bret: So. Everyone from Sonos to ADT home security to Sirius XM, you know, if you call them on the phone and AI will pick up with you, you know, chat with them on the Sirius XM homepage. It's an AI agent called Harmony [00:24:00] that they've built on our platform. We're what are the contours of what it means for someone to build an end to end complete customer experience with AI with conversational AI.[00:24:09] Bret: You know, we really want to dive into the deep end of, of all the trade offs to do it. You know, where do you use fine tuning? Where do you string models together? You know, where do you use reasoning? Where do you use generation? How do you use reasoning? How do you express the guardrails of an agentic process?[00:24:25] Bret: How do you impose determinism on a fundamentally non deterministic technology? There's just a lot of really like as an important design space. And I could sit here and tell you, we have the best approach. Every entrepreneur will, you know. But I hope that in two years, we look back at our platform and laugh at how naive we were, because that's the pace of change broadly.[00:24:45] Bret: If you talk about like the startup opportunities, I'm not wholly skeptical of tools companies, but I'm fairly skeptical. There's always an exception for every role, but I believe that certainly there's a big market for [00:25:00] frontier models, but largely for companies with huge CapEx budgets. So. Open AI and Microsoft's Anthropic and Amazon Web Services, Google Cloud XAI, which is very well capitalized now, but I think the, the idea that a company can make money sort of pre training a foundation model is probably not true.[00:25:20] Bret: It's hard to, you're competing with just, you know, unreasonably large CapEx budgets. And I just like the cloud infrastructure market, I think will be largely there. I also really believe in the applications of AI. And I define that not as like building agents or things like that. I define it much more as like, you're actually solving a problem for a business.[00:25:40] Bret: So it's what Harvey is doing in legal profession or what cursor is doing for software engineering or what we're doing for customer experience and customer service. The reason I believe in that is I do think that in the age of AI, what's really interesting about software is it can actually complete a task.[00:25:56] Bret: It can actually do a job, which is very different than the value proposition of [00:26:00] software was to ancient history two years ago. And as a consequence, I think the way you build a solution and For a domain is very different than you would have before, which means that it's not obvious, like the incumbent incumbents have like a leg up, you know, necessarily, they certainly have some advantages, but there's just such a different form factor, you know, for providing a solution and it's just really valuable.[00:26:23] Bret: You know, it's. Like just think of how much money cursor is saving software engineering teams or the alternative, how much revenue it can produce tool making is really challenging. If you look at the cloud market, just as a analog, there are a lot of like interesting tools, companies, you know, Confluent, Monetized Kafka, Snowflake, Hortonworks, you know, there's a, there's a bunch of them.[00:26:48] Bret: A lot of them, you know, have that mix of sort of like like confluence or have the open source or open core or whatever you call it. I, I, I'm not an expert in this area. You know, I do think [00:27:00] that developers are fickle. I think that in the tool space, I probably like. Default towards open source being like the area that will win.[00:27:09] Bret: It's hard to build a company around this and then you end up with companies sort of built around open source to that can work. Don't get me wrong, but I just think that it's nowadays the tools are changing so rapidly that I'm like, not totally skeptical of tool makers, but I just think that open source will broadly win, but I think that the CapEx required for building frontier models is such that it will go to a handful of big companies.[00:27:33] Bret: And then I really believe in agents for specific domains which I think will, it's sort of the analog to software as a service in this new era. You know, it's like, if you just think of the cloud. You can lease a server. It's just a low level primitive, or you can buy an app like you know, Shopify or whatever.[00:27:51] Bret: And most people building a storefront would prefer Shopify over hand rolling their e commerce storefront. I think the same thing will be true of AI. So [00:28:00] I've. I tend to like, if I have a, like an entrepreneur asked me for advice, I'm like, you know, move up the stack as far as you can towards a customer need.[00:28:09] Bret: Broadly, but I, but it doesn't reduce my excitement about what is the reactive building agents kind of thing, just because it is, it is the right question to ask, but I think we'll probably play out probably an open source space more than anything else.[00:28:21] swyx: Yeah, and it's not a priority for you. There's a lot in there.[00:28:24] swyx: I'm kind of curious about your idea maze towards, there are many customer needs. You happen to identify customer experience as yours, but it could equally have been coding assistance or whatever. I think for some, I'm just kind of curious at the top down, how do you look at the world in terms of the potential problem space?[00:28:44] swyx: Because there are many people out there who are very smart and pick the wrong problem.[00:28:47] Bret: Yeah, that's a great question.[00:28:48] Future of Software Development[00:28:48] Bret: By the way, I would love to talk about the future of software, too, because despite the fact it didn't pick coding, I have a lot of that, but I can talk to I can answer your question, though, you know I think when a technology is as [00:29:00] cool as large language models.[00:29:02] Bret: You just see a lot of people starting from the technology and searching for a problem to solve. And I think it's why you see a lot of tools companies, because as a software engineer, you start building an app or a demo and you, you encounter some pain points. You're like,[00:29:17] swyx: a lot of[00:29:17] Bret: people are experiencing the same pain point.[00:29:19] Bret: What if I make it? That it's just very incremental. And you know, I always like to use the metaphor, like you can sell coffee beans, roasted coffee beans. You can add some value. You took coffee beans and you roasted them and roasted coffee beans largely, you know, are priced relative to the cost of the beans.[00:29:39] Bret: Or you can sell a latte and a latte. Is rarely priced directly like as a percentage of coffee bean prices. In fact, if you buy a latte at the airport, it's a captive audience. So it's a really expensive latte. And there's just a lot that goes into like. How much does a latte cost? And I bring it up because there's a supply chain from growing [00:30:00] coffee beans to roasting coffee beans to like, you know, you could make one at home or you could be in the airport and buy one and the margins of the company selling lattes in the airport is a lot higher than the, you know, people roasting the coffee beans and it's because you've actually solved a much more acute human problem in the airport.[00:30:19] Bret: And, and it's just worth a lot more to that person in that moment. It's kind of the way I think about technology too. It sounds funny to liken it to coffee beans, but you're selling tools on top of a large language model yet in some ways your market is big, but you're probably going to like be price compressed just because you're sort of a piece of infrastructure and then you have open source and all these other things competing with you naturally.[00:30:43] Bret: If you go and solve a really big business problem for somebody, that's actually like a meaningful business problem that AI facilitates, they will value it according to the value of that business problem. And so I actually feel like people should just stop. You're like, no, that's, that's [00:31:00] unfair. If you're searching for an idea of people, I, I love people trying things, even if, I mean, most of the, a lot of the greatest ideas have been things no one believed in.[00:31:07] Bret: So I like, if you're passionate about something, go do it. Like who am I to say, yeah, a hundred percent. Or Gmail, like Paul as far, I mean I, some of it's Laura at this point, but like Gmail is Paul's own email for a long time. , and then I amusingly and Paul can't correct me, I'm pretty sure he sent her in a link and like the first comment was like, this is really neat.[00:31:26] Bret: It would be great. It was not your email, but my own . I don't know if it's a true story. I'm pretty sure it's, yeah, I've read that before. So scratch your own niche. Fine. Like it depends on what your goal is. If you wanna do like a venture backed company, if its a. Passion project, f*****g passion, do it like don't listen to anybody.[00:31:41] Bret: In fact, but if you're trying to start, you know an enduring company, solve an important business problem. And I, and I do think that in the world of agents, the software industries has shifted where you're not just helping people more. People be more productive, but you're actually accomplishing tasks autonomously.[00:31:58] Bret: And as a consequence, I think the [00:32:00] addressable market has just greatly expanded just because software can actually do things now and actually accomplish tasks and how much is coding autocomplete worth. A fair amount. How much is the eventual, I'm certain we'll have it, the software agent that actually writes the code and delivers it to you, that's worth a lot.[00:32:20] Bret: And so, you know, I would just maybe look up from the large language models and start thinking about the economy and, you know, think from first principles. I don't wanna get too far afield, but just think about which parts of the economy. We'll benefit most from this intelligence and which parts can absorb it most easily.[00:32:38] Bret: And what would an agent in this space look like? Who's the customer of it is the technology feasible. And I would just start with these business problems more. And I think, you know, the best companies tend to have great engineers who happen to have great insight into a market. And it's that last part that I think some people.[00:32:56] Bret: Whether or not they have, it's like people start so much in the technology, they [00:33:00] lose the forest for the trees a little bit.[00:33:02] Alessio: How do you think about the model of still selling some sort of software versus selling more package labor? I feel like when people are selling the package labor, it's almost more stateless, you know, like it's easier to swap out if you're just putting an input and getting an output.[00:33:16] Alessio: If you think about coding, if there's no ID, you're just putting a prompt and getting back an app. It doesn't really matter. Who generates the app, you know, you have less of a buy in versus the platform you're building, I'm sure on the backend customers have to like put on their documentation and they have, you know, different workflows that they can tie in what's kind of like the line to draw there versus like going full where you're managed customer support team as a service outsource versus.[00:33:40] Alessio: This is the Sierra platform that you can build on. What was that decision? I'll sort of[00:33:44] Bret: like decouple the question in some ways, which is when you have something that's an agent, who is the person using it and what do they want to do with it? So let's just take your coding agent for a second. I will talk about Sierra as well.[00:33:59] Bret: Who's the [00:34:00] customer of a, an agent that actually produces software? Is it a software engineering manager? Is it a software engineer? And it's there, you know, intern so to speak. I don't know. I mean, we'll figure this out over the next few years. Like what is that? And is it generating code that you then review?[00:34:16] Bret: Is it generating code with a set of unit tests that pass, what is the actual. For lack of a better word contract, like, how do you know that it did what you wanted it to do? And then I would say like the product and the pricing, the packaging model sort of emerged from that. And I don't think the world's figured out.[00:34:33] Bret: I think it'll be different for every agent. You know, in our customer base, we do what's called outcome based pricing. So essentially every time the AI agent. Solves the problem or saves a customer or whatever it might be. There's a pre negotiated rate for that. We do that. Cause it's, we think that that's sort of the correct way agents, you know, should be packaged.[00:34:53] Bret: I look back at the history of like cloud software and notably the introduction of the browser, which led to [00:35:00] software being delivered in a browser, like Salesforce to. Famously invented sort of software as a service, which is both a technical delivery model through the browser, but also a business model, which is you subscribe to it rather than pay for a perpetual license.[00:35:13] Bret: Those two things are somewhat orthogonal, but not really. If you think about the idea of software running in a browser, that's hosted. Data center that you don't own, you sort of needed to change the business model because you don't, you can't really buy a perpetual license or something otherwise like, how do you afford making changes to it?[00:35:31] Bret: So it only worked when you were buying like a new version every year or whatever. So to some degree, but then the business model shift actually changed business as we know it, because now like. Things like Adobe Photoshop. Now you subscribe to rather than purchase. So it ended up where you had a technical shift and a business model shift that were very logically intertwined that actually the business model shift was turned out to be as significant as the technical as the shift.[00:35:59] Bret: And I think with [00:36:00] agents, because they actually accomplish a job, I do think that it doesn't make sense to me that you'd pay for the privilege of like. Using the software like that coding agent, like if it writes really bad code, like fire it, you know, I don't know what the right metaphor is like you should pay for a job.[00:36:17] Bret: Well done in my opinion. I mean, that's how you pay your software engineers, right? And[00:36:20] swyx: and well, not really. We paid to put them on salary and give them options and they vest over time. That's fair.[00:36:26] Bret: But my point is that you don't pay them for how many characters they write, which is sort of the token based, you know, whatever, like, There's a, that famous Apple story where we're like asking for a report of how many lines of code you wrote.[00:36:40] Bret: And one of the engineers showed up with like a negative number cause he had just like done a big refactoring. There was like a big F you to management who didn't understand how software is written. You know, my sense is like the traditional usage based or seat based thing. It's just going to look really antiquated.[00:36:55] Bret: Cause it's like asking your software engineer, how many lines of code did you write today? Like who cares? Like, cause [00:37:00] absolutely no correlation. So my old view is I don't think it's be different in every category, but I do think that that is the, if an agent is doing a job, you should, I think it properly incentivizes the maker of that agent and the customer of, of your pain for the job well done.[00:37:16] Bret: It's not always perfect to measure. It's hard to measure engineering productivity, but you can, you should do something other than how many keys you typed, you know Talk about perverse incentives for AI, right? Like I can write really long functions to do the same thing, right? So broadly speaking, you know, I do think that we're going to see a change in business models of software towards outcomes.[00:37:36] Bret: And I think you'll see a change in delivery models too. And, and, you know, in our customer base you know, we empower our customers to really have their hands on the steering wheel of what the agent does they, they want and need that. But the role is different. You know, at a lot of our customers, the customer experience operations folks have renamed themselves the AI architects, which I think is really cool.[00:37:55] Bret: And, you know, it's like in the early days of the Internet, there's the role of the webmaster. [00:38:00] And I don't know whether your webmaster is not a fashionable, you know, Term, nor is it a job anymore? I just, I don't know. Will they, our tech stand the test of time? Maybe, maybe not. But I do think that again, I like, you know, because everyone listening right now is a software engineer.[00:38:14] Bret: Like what is the form factor of a coding agent? And actually I'll, I'll take a breath. Cause actually I have a bunch of pins on them. Like I wrote a blog post right before Christmas, just on the future of software development. And one of the things that's interesting is like, if you look at the way I use cursor today, as an example, it's inside of.[00:38:31] Bret: A repackaged visual studio code environment. I sometimes use the sort of agentic parts of it, but it's largely, you know, I've sort of gotten a good routine of making it auto complete code in the way I want through tuning it properly when it actually can write. I do wonder what like the future of development environments will look like.[00:38:55] Bret: And to your point on what is a software product, I think it's going to change a lot in [00:39:00] ways that will surprise us. But I always use, I use the metaphor in my blog post of, have you all driven around in a way, Mo around here? Yeah, everyone has. And there are these Jaguars, the really nice cars, but it's funny because it still has a steering wheel, even though there's no one sitting there and the steering wheels like turning and stuff clearly in the future.[00:39:16] Bret: If once we get to that, be more ubiquitous, like why have the steering wheel and also why have all the seats facing forward? Maybe just for car sickness. I don't know, but you could totally rearrange the car. I mean, so much of the car is oriented around the driver, so. It stands to reason to me that like, well, autonomous agents for software engineering run through visual studio code.[00:39:37] Bret: That seems a little bit silly because having a single source code file open one at a time is kind of a goofy form factor for when like the code isn't being written primarily by you, but it begs the question of what's your relationship with that agent. And I think the same is true in our industry of customer experience, which is like.[00:39:55] Bret: Who are the people managing this agent? What are the tools do they need? And they definitely need [00:40:00] tools, but it's probably pretty different than the tools we had before. It's certainly different than training a contact center team. And as software engineers, I think that I would like to see particularly like on the passion project side or research side.[00:40:14] Bret: More innovation in programming languages. I think that we're bringing the cost of writing code down to zero. So the fact that we're still writing Python with AI cracks me up just cause it's like literally was designed to be ergonomic to write, not safe to run or fast to run. I would love to see more innovation and how we verify program correctness.[00:40:37] Bret: I studied for formal verification in college a little bit and. It's not very fashionable because it's really like tedious and slow and doesn't work very well. If a lot of code is being written by a machine, you know, one of the primary values we can provide is verifying that it actually does what we intend that it does.[00:40:56] Bret: I think there should be lots of interesting things in the software development life cycle, like how [00:41:00] we think of testing and everything else, because. If you think about if we have to manually read every line of code that's coming out as machines, it will just rate limit how much the machines can do. The alternative is totally unsafe.[00:41:13] Bret: So I wouldn't want to put code in production that didn't go through proper code review and inspection. So my whole view is like, I actually think there's like an AI native I don't think the coding agents don't work well enough to do this yet, but once they do, what is sort of an AI native software development life cycle and how do you actually.[00:41:31] Bret: Enable the creators of software to produce the highest quality, most robust, fastest software and know that it's correct. And I think that's an incredible opportunity. I mean, how much C code can we rewrite and rust and make it safe so that there's fewer security vulnerabilities. Can we like have more efficient, safer code than ever before?[00:41:53] Bret: And can you have someone who's like that guy in the matrix, you know, like staring at the little green things, like where could you have an operator [00:42:00] of a code generating machine be like superhuman? I think that's a cool vision. And I think too many people are focused on like. Autocomplete, you know, right now, I'm not, I'm not even, I'm guilty as charged.[00:42:10] Bret: I guess in some ways, but I just like, I'd like to see some bolder ideas. And that's why when you were joking, you know, talking about what's the react of whatever, I think we're clearly in a local maximum, you know, metaphor, like sort of conceptual local maximum, obviously it's moving really fast. I think we're moving out of it.[00:42:26] Alessio: Yeah. At the end of 23, I've read this blog post from syntax to semantics. Like if you think about Python. It's taking C and making it more semantic and LLMs are like the ultimate semantic program, right? You can just talk to them and they can generate any type of syntax from your language. But again, the languages that they have to use were made for us, not for them.[00:42:46] Alessio: But the problem is like, as long as you will ever need a human to intervene, you cannot change the language under it. You know what I mean? So I'm curious at what point of automation we'll need to get, we're going to be okay making changes. To the underlying languages, [00:43:00] like the programming languages versus just saying, Hey, you just got to write Python because I understand Python and I'm more important at the end of the day than the model.[00:43:08] Alessio: But I think that will change, but I don't know if it's like two years or five years. I think it's more nuanced actually.[00:43:13] Bret: So I think there's a, some of the more interesting programming languages bring semantics into syntax. So let me, that's a little reductive, but like Rust as an example, Rust is memory safe.[00:43:25] Bret: Statically, and that was a really interesting conceptual, but it's why it's hard to write rust. It's why most people write python instead of rust. I think rust programs are safer and faster than python, probably slower to compile. But like broadly speaking, like given the option, if you didn't have to care about the labor that went into it.[00:43:45] Bret: You should prefer a program written in Rust over a program written in Python, just because it will run more efficiently. It's almost certainly safer, et cetera, et cetera, depending on how you define safe, but most people don't write Rust because it's kind of a pain in the ass. And [00:44:00] the audience of people who can is smaller, but it's sort of better in most, most ways.[00:44:05] Bret: And again, let's say you're making a web service and you didn't have to care about how hard it was to write. If you just got the output of the web service, the rest one would be cheaper to operate. It's certainly cheaper and probably more correct just because there's so much in the static analysis implied by the rest programming language that it probably will have fewer runtime errors and things like that as well.[00:44:25] Bret: So I just give that as an example, because so rust, at least my understanding that came out of the Mozilla team, because. There's lots of security vulnerabilities in the browser and it needs to be really fast. They said, okay, we want to put more of a burden at the authorship time to have fewer issues at runtime.[00:44:43] Bret: And we need the constraint that it has to be done statically because browsers need to be really fast. My sense is if you just think about like the, the needs of a programming language today, where the role of a software engineer is [00:45:00] to use an AI to generate functionality and audit that it does in fact work as intended, maybe functionally, maybe from like a correctness standpoint, some combination thereof, how would you create a programming system that facilitated that?[00:45:15] Bret: And, you know, I bring up Rust is because I think it's a good example of like, I think given a choice of writing in C or Rust, you should choose Rust today. I think most people would say that, even C aficionados, just because. C is largely less safe for very similar, you know, trade offs, you know, for the, the system and now with AI, it's like, okay, well, that just changes the game on writing these things.[00:45:36] Bret: And so like, I just wonder if a combination of programming languages that are more structurally oriented towards the values that we need from an AI generated program, verifiable correctness and all of that. If it's tedious to produce for a person, that maybe doesn't matter. But one thing, like if I asked you, is this rest program memory safe?[00:45:58] Bret: You wouldn't have to read it, you just have [00:46:00] to compile it. So that's interesting. I mean, that's like an, that's one example of a very modest form of formal verification. So I bring that up because I do think you have AI inspect AI, you can have AI reviewed. Do AI code reviews. It would disappoint me if the best we could get was AI reviewing Python and having scaled a few very large.[00:46:21] Bret: Websites that were written on Python. It's just like, you know, expensive and it's like every, trust me, every team who's written a big web service in Python has experimented with like Pi Pi and all these things just to make it slightly more efficient than it naturally is. You don't really have true multi threading anyway.[00:46:36] Bret: It's just like clearly that you do it just because it's convenient to write. And I just feel like we're, I don't want to say it's insane. I just mean. I do think we're at a local maximum. And I would hope that we create a programming system, a combination of programming languages, formal verification, testing, automated code reviews, where you can use AI to generate software in a high scale way and trust it.[00:46:59] Bret: And you're [00:47:00] not limited by your ability to read it necessarily. I don't know exactly what form that would take, but I feel like that would be a pretty cool world to live in.[00:47:08] Alessio: Yeah. We had Chris Lanner on the podcast. He's doing great work with modular. I mean, I love. LVM. Yeah. Basically merging rust in and Python.[00:47:15] Alessio: That's kind of the idea. Should be, but I'm curious is like, for them a big use case was like making it compatible with Python, same APIs so that Python developers could use it. Yeah. And so I, I wonder at what point, well, yeah.[00:47:26] Bret: At least my understanding is they're targeting the data science Yeah. Machine learning crowd, which is all written in Python, so still feels like a local maximum.[00:47:34] Bret: Yeah.[00:47:34] swyx: Yeah, exactly. I'll force you to make a prediction. You know, Python's roughly 30 years old. In 30 years from now, is Rust going to be bigger than Python?[00:47:42] Bret: I don't know this, but just, I don't even know this is a prediction. I just am sort of like saying stuff I hope is true. I would like to see an AI native programming language and programming system, and I use language because I'm not sure language is even the right thing, but I hope in 30 years, there's an AI native way we make [00:48:00] software that is wholly uncorrelated with the current set of programming languages.[00:48:04] Bret: or not uncorrelated, but I think most programming languages today were designed to be efficiently authored by people and some have different trade offs.[00:48:15] Evolution of Programming Languages[00:48:15] Bret: You know, you have Haskell and others that were designed for abstractions for parallelism and things like that. You have programming languages like Python, which are designed to be very easily written, sort of like Perl and Python lineage, which is why data scientists use it.[00:48:31] Bret: It's it can, it has a. Interactive mode, things like that. And I love, I'm a huge Python fan. So despite all my Python trash talk, a huge Python fan wrote at least two of my three companies were exclusively written in Python and then C came out of the birth of Unix and it wasn't the first, but certainly the most prominent first step after assembly language, right?[00:48:54] Bret: Where you had higher level abstractions rather than and going beyond go to, to like abstractions, [00:49:00] like the for loop and the while loop.[00:49:01] The Future of Software Engineering[00:49:01] Bret: So I just think that if the act of writing code is no longer a meaningful human exercise, maybe it will be, I don't know. I'm just saying it sort of feels like maybe it's one of those parts of history that just will sort of like go away, but there's still the role of this offer engineer, like the person actually building the system.[00:49:20] Bret: Right. And. What does a programming system for that form factor look like?[00:49:25] React and Front-End Development[00:49:25] Bret: And I, I just have a, I hope to be just like I mentioned, I remember I was at Facebook in the very early days when, when, what is now react was being created. And I remember when the, it was like released open source I had left by that time and I was just like, this is so f*****g cool.[00:49:42] Bret: Like, you know, to basically model your app independent of the data flowing through it, just made everything easier. And then now. You know, I can create, like there's a lot of the front end software gym play is like a little chaotic for me, to be honest with you. It is like, it's sort of like [00:50:00] abstraction soup right now for me, but like some of those core ideas felt really ergonomic.[00:50:04] Bret: I just wanna, I'm just looking forward to the day when someone comes up with a programming system that feels both really like an aha moment, but completely foreign to me at the same time. Because they created it with sort of like from first principles recognizing that like. Authoring code in an editor is maybe not like the primary like reason why a programming system exists anymore.[00:50:26] Bret: And I think that's like, that would be a very exciting day for me.[00:50:28] The Role of AI in Programming[00:50:28] swyx: Yeah, I would say like the various versions of this discussion have happened at the end of the day, you still need to precisely communicate what you want. As a manager of people, as someone who has done many, many legal contracts, you know how hard that is.[00:50:42] swyx: And then now we have to talk to machines doing that and AIs interpreting what we mean and reading our minds effectively. I don't know how to get across that barrier of translating human intent to instructions. And yes, it can be more declarative, but I don't know if it'll ever Crossover from being [00:51:00] a programming language to something more than that.[00:51:02] Bret: I agree with you. And I actually do think if you look at like a legal contract, you know, the imprecision of the English language, it's like a flaw in the system. How many[00:51:12] swyx: holes there are.[00:51:13] Bret: And I do think that when you're making a mission critical software system, I don't think it should be English language prompts.[00:51:19] Bret: I think that is silly because you want the precision of a a programming language. My point was less about that and more about if the actual act of authoring it, like if you.[00:51:32] Formal Verification in Software[00:51:32] Bret: I'll think of some embedded systems do use formal verification. I know it's very common in like security protocols now so that you can, because the importance of correctness is so great.[00:51:41] Bret: My intellectual exercise is like, why not do that for all software? I mean, probably that's silly just literally to do what we literally do for. These low level security protocols, but the only reason we don't is because it's hard and tedious and hard and tedious are no longer factors. So, like, if I could, I mean, [00:52:00] just think of, like, the silliest app on your phone right now, the idea that that app should be, like, formally verified for its correctness feels laughable right now because, like, God, why would you spend the time on it?[00:52:10] Bret: But if it's zero costs, like, yeah, I guess so. I mean, it never crashed. That's probably good. You know, why not? I just want to, like, set our bars really high. Like. We should make, software has been amazing. Like there's a Mark Andreessen blog post, software is eating the world. And you know, our whole life is, is mediated digitally.[00:52:26] Bret: And that's just increasing with AI. And now we'll have our personal agents talking to the agents on the CRO platform and it's agents all the way down, you know, our core infrastructure is running on these digital systems. We now have like, and we've had a shortage of software developers for my entire life.[00:52:45] Bret: And as a consequence, you know if you look, remember like health care, got healthcare. gov that fiasco security vulnerabilities leading to state actors getting access to critical infrastructure. I'm like. We now have like created this like amazing system that can [00:53:00] like, we can fix this, you know, and I, I just want to, I'm both excited about the productivity gains in the economy, but I just think as software engineers, we should be bolder.[00:53:08] Bret: Like we should have aspirations to fix these systems so that like in general, as you said, as precise as we want to be in the specification of the system. We can make it work correctly now, and I'm being a little bit hand wavy, and I think we need some systems. I think that's where we should set the bar, especially when so much of our life depends on this critical digital infrastructure.[00:53:28] Bret: So I'm I'm just like super optimistic about it. But actually, let's go to w

Verifiability of Supplyhttps://sethforprivacy.com/posts/dispelling-monero-fud/#you-cant-audit-the-monero-supplyhttps://www.moneroinflation.comThis is probably the most common point of FUD brought against Monero, and is caused by the complexity and nuance involved in understanding how supply audits work in cryptocurrencies.Monero's supply can be easily audited by anyone running a Monero node, but this process does rely on the soundness of the monerod software implementation and the validity of cryptography used in range-proofs. These range-proofs allow it to be mathematically proven that the inputs and outputs of each transaction add up to zero without revealing amounts, ensuring that the supply is sound and not inflated in any way. Every node on the network is validating these range-proofs in each transaction every time a transaction is first seen, and validating all historical range-proofs when initially syncing.A manual audit is possible because coinbase transactions (those transactions that are mining rewards in each block including issuance + transaction fees) are intentionally transparent and amounts of these outputs are not obfuscated in any way. Monero users running a node can simply validate these totals on-demand, and all node owners are constantly verifying the amounts in transactions via range-proofs.Unlike Bitcoin, however, Monero users cannot simply do “napkin math” and validate the supply by manually adding up UTXO amounts, as transactions are never known-spent by the network, only by the parties involved in each specific transaction. This does force some added reliance on code/cryptography over Bitcoin, but as-of-yet I know of no onevalidating the Bitcoin supply this way. It does remain a valuable advantage of a transparent cryptocurrency, though it comes at the cost of the transactional privacy of every user in the system.GeneralNew primer on full-chain membership proofs available on YouTube:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jc8Kc0WogAIFantastic Forbes article on Monero:https://www.forbes.com/sites/boazsobrado/2025/01/18/is-monero-keeping-bitcoins-cypherpunk-dream-alive/BTCPay team being amazing and migrating Monero support to a plugin for v2.xhttps://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/538#note_28197https://github.com/btcpayserver/btcpayserver/pull/6535https://github.com/btcpayserver/btcpayserver-monero-pluginNapoly and Deverick Apollo will help to transition the plugin to the Monero community and build out multi-wallet supporthttps://monero.observer/napoly-deverickapollo-ccs-proposal-develop-btcpayserver-monero-plugin/Software UpdatesHaveno keeps getting better and betterv1.0.18 released: https://monero.observer/woodser-releases-haveno-v1.0.18-fixes-improvements/Can now buy your first Monero without a security deposit by finding a seller and communicating a passwordhttps://monero.observer/haveno-v1.0.15-released-support-buying-monero-without-security-deposit/https://github.com/haveno-dex/haveno/issues/1464#issuecomment-2545298727RetoSwap is the current live implementation of Haveno, have used to test and has been fantastic, quick, and easyhttps://retoswap.comMonero passphrase support in Cake Wallet v4.23.0Easy way to run a Monero daemon on your laptop or desktop gets even betterhttps://monero.observer/everoddandeven-releases-monero-daemon-gui-v1.1.0-toughness/Mining MoneroCPU mining vs ASICsp2pool vs solo miningMining via gupax on desktopshttps://gupax.ioMining via p2pool + xmrig on servershttps://sethforprivacy.com/guides/run-a-p2pool-node/Mining Monero via decentralized p2pool keeps getting betterGupaxx update v1.7.0 released:https://monero.observer/cyrix126-releases-gupaxx-v1.7.0-ui-improvements-new-features-fixes/p2pool v4.3 released:https://monero.observer/schernykh-releases-p2pool-v4.3-initial-sync-improvements/XMRChat BoostsYou just leveled up

A lot of AI security boils down to the boring, but important, software security topics that appsec teams have been dealing with for decades. Niv Braun explains the distinctions between AI-related and AI-specific security as we avoid the FUD and hype of genAI to figure out where appsec teams can invest their time. He notes that data scientists have been working with ML and sensitive data sets for a long time, and it's good to have more scrutiny on what controls should be present to protect that data. This segment is sponsored by Noma Security. Visit https://securityweekly.com/noma to learn more about them! An open source security project forks in response to license changes (and an echo of how we've been here before), car hacking via spectacularly insecure web apps, hacking a synth via spectacularly cool MIDI messages, cookie parsing problems, the RANsacked paper of 100+ LTE/5G vulns found from fuzzing, and more! Visit https://www.securityweekly.com/asw for all the latest episodes! Show Notes: https://securityweekly.com/asw-315

A lot of AI security boils down to the boring, but important, software security topics that appsec teams have been dealing with for decades. Niv Braun explains the distinctions between AI-related and AI-specific security as we avoid the FUD and hype of genAI to figure out where appsec teams can invest their time. He notes that data scientists have been working with ML and sensitive data sets for a long time, and it's good to have more scrutiny on what controls should be present to protect that data. This segment is sponsored by Noma Security. Visit https://securityweekly.com/noma to learn more about them! Show Notes: https://securityweekly.com/asw-315

A lot of AI security boils down to the boring, but important, software security topics that appsec teams have been dealing with for decades. Niv Braun explains the distinctions between AI-related and AI-specific security as we avoid the FUD and hype of genAI to figure out where appsec teams can invest their time. He notes that data scientists have been working with ML and sensitive data sets for a long time, and it's good to have more scrutiny on what controls should be present to protect that data. This segment is sponsored by Noma Security. Visit https://securityweekly.com/noma to learn more about them! An open source security project forks in response to license changes (and an echo of how we've been here before), car hacking via spectacularly insecure web apps, hacking a synth via spectacularly cool MIDI messages, cookie parsing problems, the RANsacked paper of 100+ LTE/5G vulns found from fuzzing, and more! Visit https://www.securityweekly.com/asw for all the latest episodes! Show Notes: https://securityweekly.com/asw-315

A lot of AI security boils down to the boring, but important, software security topics that appsec teams have been dealing with for decades. Niv Braun explains the distinctions between AI-related and AI-specific security as we avoid the FUD and hype of genAI to figure out where appsec teams can invest their time. He notes that data scientists have been working with ML and sensitive data sets for a long time, and it's good to have more scrutiny on what controls should be present to protect that data. This segment is sponsored by Noma Security. Visit https://securityweekly.com/noma to learn more about them!  Show Notes: https://securityweekly.com/asw-315

We are joined by fellow bitcoiner Joseph Tetek from trezor. we discuss his role at trezor and what the global south experience is like using bitcoin and educating about bitcoin. We also dive into all the REKT that happened this week, is the Trumpster becoming the shitcoin president? maybe it he always has been. ✔ Special Guest/Fireside Chat: ► @JosefTetek ► @TrezorAcademy ► @Trezor ► https://t.co/qudJiu56oV ► https://bitbox.swiss/blog/does-airgap-make-bitcoin-hardware-wallets-more-secure/ ✔ Numbers: ► https://youtu.be/lua47EFK8JI ✔ REKT: ► https://youtu.be/lua47EFK8JI ✔ Twitter Handles: @coinicarus @AEHW1 ✔ Links Mentioned: ► https://timechaincalendar.com/en ► https://timechainstats.com/ ✔ Check out our Sponsor, support Bitcoin ONLY Businesses: ► https://cyphersafe.io/ We offer a full line of physical stainless steel and brass products to help you protect your bitcoin from various modes of failure. CypherSafe creates metal BIP39 / SLIP39 bitcoin seed word storage devices that backup your bitcoin wallet and protect them from physical disaster ► https://thunderfunder.com/ Thunder Funder is a funding portal registered with the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) and a member of the Financial Industry Regulatory Authority (FINRA). Their mission is to provide retail investors access to investments while supporting the growth of open-source projects. ► https://nohhue.com/ NOHhue is a community of Bitcoiners dedicated to building solutions and services with their own talent and work. Through NOHhue and Bitcoin we want to give global space and voice to talent within our community. ► Join Our telegram: https://t.me/PlebUnderGroundChat For Awesome pleb content daily http://plebunderground.com/ GM #Bitcoin (mon-fri 10:00 am ET) and The #Bitcoin Council of Autism Spaces on twitter Timecodes: 0:00 - Intro 0:23 - Waltons Rap 1:52 - The Numbers 4:35 - Fiat currencies lose purchasing power at different times. 7:39 - Big bitcoin price predictions! 9:42 - The future we were promised was fake and we got scammed! 13:31 - Joseph going to South Africa to provide bitcoin education 17:02 - Flying is a shitcoin 18:04 - The fireside Chat: Joseph Tetek 19:45 - Joseph's rabbit hole story 26:50 - Why joseph started working for trezor 29:11 - Joseph and trezor bitcoin academy what do they do? 31:34 - How bitcoin is being used in the global South 33:24 - The global south and paid propaganda campaigns 39:20 - Aqua wallet really just a wrapped for tether and liquid? 40:32 - Blink wallet and stablesats 42:40 - Debunking airgap FUD about trezor 47:06 - Is trezors UX turning off more 'hardcore' bitcoiners? 50:44 - Do you have to use trezors software to use a trezor? 52:18 - REKT 52:49 - MARA and their 1.244BTC fee to put trump on the bitcoin blockchain 55:14 - Trump endorsing altcoins for Strategix reserve 56:00 - Trumps first days in office, free Ross? 58:52 - Guy who was DCA'ing bitcoin quit and started buying XRP at multi year ATH's REKT AF! 1:00:00 - Is Dave Portnoy getting REKT with XRP? 1:03:09 - HOPIUM 1:05:08 - Walton loves Nunchuk 1:07:02 - When will trezor fully integrate taproot? #Bitcoin #crypto #cryptocurrency #weekly The information provided by Pleb Underground ("we," "us," or "our") on Youtube.com (the "Site") our show is for general informational purposes only. All information on the show is provided in good faith, however we make no representation or warranty of any kind, express or implied, regarding the accuracy, adequacy, validity, reliability, availability, or completeness of any information on the Site. UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCE SHALL WE HAVE ANY LIABILITY TO YOU FOR ANY LOSS OR DAMAGE OF ANY KIND INCURRED AS A RESULT OF THE USE OF THE SHOW OR RELIANCE ON ANY INFORMATION PROVIDED ON THE SHOW. YOUR USE OF THE SHOW AND YOUR RELIANCE ON ANY INFORMATION ON THE SHOW IS SOLELY AT YOUR OWN RISK.

What if you could trade the 9-to-5 grind for a life of financial freedom, flexibility, and fulfillment? I n this episode, Liz Steblay, author of Succeeding as a Solopreneur: Six Keys to Taking the Leap, Winning Clients, and Building Wealth, reveals how to overcome the FUD (fear, uncertainty, doubt) monster and create a thriving solo business. Learn her secrets to managing erratic cash flow, setting boundaries, maximizing tax savings, and building a reputation as a trusted expert. Whether you're dreaming of leaving corporate life or just starting your solopreneur journey, this episode offers actionable advice to help you succeed. To check out Liz book, “Succeeding as a Solopreneur: Six Keys to Taking the Leap, Winning Clients, and Building Wealth“, head on over to Amazon (affiliate): https://amzn.to/3PuIYtc To check out the YouTube (video podcast), visit: https://www.youtube.com/@drchrisloomdphd Disclaimer: Not advice. Educational purposes only. Not an endorsement for or against. Results not vetted. Views of the guests do not represent those of the host or show. Click here to join PodMatch (the "AirBNB" of Podcasting): https://www.joinpodmatch.com/drchrisloomdphd Enhance your productions through Descript (affiliate): https://get.descript.com/gaei637mutik Check out TubeBuddy, the all-in-one platform that helps you grow and scale your YouTube channel (affiliate): https://www.tubebuddy.com/pricing?a=FinancialFreedomPodcast Click here to check out our Amazon product of the day (affiliate): https://amzn.to/3ZLseCC We couldn't do it without the support of our listeners. To help support the show: CashApp- https://cash.app/$drchrisloomdphd Venmo- https://account.venmo.com/u/Chris-Loo-4 Spotify- https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/christopher-loo/support Buy Me a Coffee- https://www.buymeacoffee.com/chrisJx Click here to schedule a 1-on-1 private coaching call: https://www.drchrisloomdphd.com/book-online Click here to check out our bookstore, e-courses, and workshops: https://www.drchrisloomdphd.com/shop Click here to purchase my books on Amazon: https://amzn.to/2PaQn4p For audiobooks, visit: https://www.audible.com/author/Christopher-H-Loo-MD-PhD/B07WFKBG1F Follow our YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/chL1357 Follow us on Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/drchrisloomdphd Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thereal_drchrisloo Follow us on Threads: https://www.threads.net/@thereal_drchrisloo Follow us on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@drchrisloomddphd Follow our Blog: https://www.drchrisloomdphd.com/blog Follow the podcast on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3NkM6US7cjsiAYTBjWGdx6?si=1da9d0a17be14d18 Subscribe to our Substack newsletter: https://substack.com/@drchrisloomdphd1 Subscribe to our Medium newsletter: https://medium.com/@drchrisloomdphd Subscribe to our LinkedIn newsletter: https://www.linkedin.com/build-relation/newsletter-follow?entityUrn=6992935013231071233 Subscribe to our email list: https://financial-freedom-podcast-with-dr-loo.kit.com/ Thank you to all of our sponsors and advertisers that help support the show! Financial Freedom for Physicians, Copyright 2025

Ejaaz is back with David to dissect the accelerating rise of AI agents at crypto's cutting edge. They uncover how Arc's multi-chain approach and Ai16z's Eliza framework are igniting a fresh wave of DeFAI innovation—everything from clever Twitter agents to more autonomous protocols. They dive into Virtuals' relentless shipping, which is driving record on-chain fees and fueling a bold $40M buyback, while exploring why upcoming gaming collaborations may unlock AI's next breakout moment. New players like Ava and Pippin also take center stage, proving both the promise and FUD-fueled volatility of this fast-growing sector. Whether it's DeFi revamps, multi-chain expansions, or full-blown AI-driven games, this episode outlines the major trends shaping crypto and AI's convergent future. Ready for the ride? Further DAO Drama Conext  https://x.com/TrustlessState/status/1878538551668736415 ------

Hey there, hero!AI in general, and synthetic voice and image generators in particular have led to a lot of FUD in our industry.FUD? It's an acronym that means Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt.We fear being replaced by AI-generated models that would lead not just to the loss of jobs, but the possible deletion of the human contribution to creative work.And yes, that's a possibility.So when you grabbed ChatGPT and had it re-write your bio for you, or you had Perplexity answer a question you had, or you had Bard come up with some HTML to help you get something handled on your website...how did that make you feel?(That last one happened to me, and it was a bit unsettling...just how well it worked.)Can technology be used for both good and evil in your book? What do you make of the basement and the balcony (watch or listen to this episode to find out what the heck I'm talking about)? Let me know in the comments below.REQUEST: Please join this video's conversation and see the full episode on VOHeroes, where the comments are moderated and civil, at https://voheroes.com/felt-any-ai-guilt-yet/#Acting #Voice #VoiceOver #Performance #Productivity #Tips #Art #Commerce #Science #Mindset #Success #Process #Options #BestPractices #MarketingWant to be a better VO talent, actor or author? Here's how I can help you......become a VO talent (or a more successful one): https://voheroes.com/start ...become an audiobook narrator on ACX (if you're an actor or VO talent): https://acxmasterclass.com/ ...narrate your own book (if you're an author): https://narrateyourownbook.com/ ...have the most effective pop filter (especially for VO talent): https://mikesock.com/ ...be off-book faster for on-camera auditions and work (memorize your lines): https://rehearsal.pro/...master beautiful audiobook and podcast audio in one drag and drop move on your Mac: https://audiocupcake.com/ The VOHeroes Podcast is heroically built with: BuddyBoss (site platform and theme) LearnDash (learning management) DreamHost (website hosting) SamCart (ecommerce and affiliate platform) ...

Bitcoin To 400 Million Dollars! We are joined by fellow bitcoiner, programmer and pleb, ANT. We talk everything TimeChainStats and TimeChainArcade. We also dive into the biggest hopium we have ever had or is it REKT? you be the judge. ✔ Special Guest/Fireside Chat: ► @2140data ► http://TimechainStats.com ► http://TimechainArcade.com ✔ Numbers: ► https://x.com/anilsaidso/status/1877029649043107970?s=52&t=CKH2brGypO5fEYTgQ-EFhQ ✔ REKT: ► https://x.com/LukeDashjr/status/1877195691535052862 ► https://x.com/TheBitcoinConf/status/1877779213714952214 ✔ Bitcoin Hopium: ► https://x.com/xrpmickle/status/1877151048424460412?s=52&t=CKH2brGypO5fEYTgQ-EFhQ ► https://x.com/tier10k/status/1877176406905356670?s=46&t=CKH2brGypO5fEYTgQ-EFhQ ► https://cryptodnes.bg/en/heres-the-first-company-with-a-bitcoin-strategy-set-to-join-the-sp-500/ ► https://x.com/documentingbtc/status/1877726809048895819?s=52&t=CKH2brGypO5fEYTgQ-EFhQ ✔ Twitter Handles: @coinicarus @AEHW1 ✔ Check out our Sponsor, support Bitcoin ONLY Businesses: ► https://cyphersafe.io/ We offer a full line of physical stainless steel and brass products to help you protect your bitcoin from various modes of failure. CypherSafe creates metal BIP39 / SLIP39 bitcoin seed word storage devices that backup your bitcoin wallet and protect them from physical disaster ► https://thunderfunder.com/ Thunder Funder is a funding portal registered with the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) and a member of the Financial Industry Regulatory Authority (FINRA). Their mission is to provide retail investors access to investments while supporting the growth of open-source projects. ► https://nohhue.com/ NOHhue is a community of Bitcoiners dedicated to building solutions and services with their own talent and work. Through NOHhue and Bitcoin we want to give global space and voice to talent within our community. ► Join Our telegram: https://t.me/PlebUnderGroundChat For Awesome pleb content daily http://plebunderground.com/ GM #Bitcoin (mon-fri 10:00 am ET) and The #Bitcoin Council of Autism Spaces on twitter Timecodes: 0:00 - Intro 0:23 - Waltons Rap 2:53 - The Numbers 4:57 - Luxury goods charts priced in bitcoin 11:16 - Customizing timechainstats.com 15:52 - the 5 hardest words to say in the English language 16:50 - The fireside chat: Ant talks about timechainstats.com and timechainarcade.com 18:50 - The evolution of timechainstats.com 20:30 - Bitcoin games that teach you about bitcoin! 26:10 - Why ANT started making timechainstats BTC lexicon and making bitcoin games? 33:29 - TimeChainArcade.com 34:09 - hashcorp 35:00 - Mining Tycoon 36:50 - BanHammer 39:57 - Bitcoin scrabble game coming soon? 41:02 - REKT 41:20 - Luke dashjr on ordinals attacking bitcoin... 55:14 - Bitcoin will be worth 400,000,000 by 2050... 55:44 - Take the poster off the wall 57:29 - Borrowing against your bitcoin 1:03:51 - Hopium 1:04:12 - Futurama Episode with bitcoin mining 1:06:49 - How much did brad garlinghouse pay to have his picture taken with trump? 1:07:43 - DOJ authorized to sell bitcoin old FUD revived? 1:14:33 - Bitcoin is the biggest payment network in the world 1:18:17 - MicroStrategy is voting on share dilution proposal #Bitcoin #crypto #cryptocurrency #weekly The information provided by Pleb Underground ("we," "us," or "our") on Youtube.com (the "Site") our show is for general informational purposes only. All information on the show is provided in good faith, however we make no representation or warranty of any kind, express or implied, regarding the accuracy, adequacy, validity, reliability, availability, or completeness of any information on the Site. UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCE SHALL WE HAVE ANY LIABILITY TO YOU FOR ANY LOSS OR DAMAGE OF ANY KIND INCURRED AS A RESULT OF THE USE OF THE SHOW OR RELIANCE ON ANY INFORMATION PROVIDED ON THE SHOW. YOUR USE OF THE SHOW AND YOUR RELIANCE ON ANY INFORMATION ON THE SHOW IS SOLELY AT YOUR OWN RISK.

This is episode 722. Read the complete transcription on the Sales Game Changers Podcast website. The Sales Game Changers Podcast was recognized by YesWare as the top sales podcast. Read the announcement here. Read more about the Institute for Excellence in Sales Premier Women in Sales Employer (PWISE) designation and program here. Purchase Fred Diamond's best-sellers Love, Hope, Lyme: What Family Members, Partners, and Friends Who Love a Chronic Lyme Survivor Need to Know and Insights for Sales Game Changers now! Today's show featured an interview with Dan Carusi, Head of Client Success at Sandler. He also leads equine-based leadership retreats for executives. Find Dan on LinkedIn. DAN'S TIP:  “Many people split into fear, uncertainty, and doubt that really holds them back from being their best at what they do. Don't fall into that trap. It is a mindset. The world's kind of crazy today but be on guard for not slipping and you're letting your mindset slip into that FUD. If you're pushing yourself outside your comfort zone, you're going to break the FUD cycle. They do go hand in hand.”

Tether faces fresh scrutiny as MiCA's Dec. 30 implementation prompts FUD on crypto Twitter, fueling speculation about its compliance and market stability. Meanwhile, XRP & Ripple's Stablecoin $RLUSD may be set for a massive bull-run starting in 2025.~This episode is sponsored by Tangem~Tangem ➜ https://bit.ly/TangemPBNUse Code: "PBN" for Additional Discounts!00:00 Intro00:12 Sponsor: Tangem00:40 Tether Delisting01:02 Tether Crashing?01:25 Bitstamp History Will Be Made01:55 Bitstamp XRPL02:22 Ripple derivatives02:55 Vlad “stablecoin yields incoming”03:46 USDG marketcap04:00 Robinhood products on XRP Ledger?04:24 Fedwire March 10th04:42 What is ISO-20022?05:53 Iso 20022 list06:08 MiCA Stablecoin & Banking 202507:01 Paul Atkins is Pro-Tokenized Assets08:48 Securitize team09:36 XRP Microstrategy11:28 YOSHITAKA KITAO is diamond handing XRP12:24 Rippl IPO vs Microstrategy13:00 One Week?13:21 XRP Historic Monthly candle13:49 XRPL Activity14:32 Stablecoins = Volume15:09 USDC Reaches 1 Trillion Volume15:37 Outro#XRP #xrpnews #Crypto~Tether Delisting in 3 Days️‍

December brings with it a return to the glory days of FUD. Blackjack has done the unthinkable, and the 21 million limit to Bitcoin is in grave danger. Saylor is running his own personal Ponzi that's absolutely killing it. The Blocksize War is back again and Roger Ver is suddenly relevant thanks to the feds who control Bitcoin being very mad at him for writing a book. All this and a partridge in a pear tree with Mechanic, Steve, Jeff, and myself, for Guy's Roundtable to wrap up the month of December and close out the year. Don't miss it!Thanks to the guests for joining: Steve Simple Nostr (Link: https://tinyurl.com/3s6a8yn8) Steve Simple on X (Link: https://x.com/stevesimple) Bitcoin Mechanic Nostr (Link: https://tinyurl.com/2tm827ut) Bitcoin Mechanic on X (Link: https://x.com/GrassFedBitcoin) Jeff Swann Nostr (Link: https://tinyurl.com/3sjc3bcp) Jeff Swann on X (Link: https://x.com/agoristview) Host Links ⁠Guy on Nostr ⁠(Link: http://tinyurl.com/2xc96ney) ⁠Guy on X ⁠(Link: https://twitter.com/theguyswann) Guy on Instagram (Link: https://www.instagram.com/theguyswann) Guy on TikTok (Link: https://www.tiktok.com/@theguyswann) Guy on YouTube (Link: https://www.youtube.com/@theguyswann) ⁠Bitcoin Audible on X⁠ (Link: https://twitter.com/BitcoinAudible) The Guy Swann Network Broadcast Room on Keet (Link: https://tinyurl.com/3na6v839) Check out our awesome sponsors! Fold: The best way to buy, use, and earn #Bitcoin on everything you do! Sats back on your debit card, gift cards, auto-buys, round-ups, you name it. Fold is the true bitcoiner's banking. Get 20K sats for FREE using referral code bitcoinaudible.com/fold Ready for best-in-class self custody? Get ⁠5% off the COLDCARD⁠ with code BITCOINAUDIBLE ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠(Link: https://bitcoinaudible.com/coldcard) Trying to BUY BITCOIN? River, secure, trusted, bitcoin only, lightning enabled, simple. (Link: https://bitcoinaudible.com/river) Bitcoin Games! Get 10% off the best Bitcoin board game in the world, HODLUP! Or any of the other great games from the Free Market Kids! Use code GUY10 at checkout for 10% off your cart! (Link: https://www.freemarketkids.com/collections/games-1) Bitcoin Custodial Multisig Want to get into Bitcoin but not ready for self custody? Use custodial multisig for the best way to distribute trust across multiple institutions and even jurisdictions! Check out OnRamp...

Is MicroStrategy A Meme Coin? We are joined by our friend Yellow. Bitcoin twitter/X hasn't seen him in a week, what has he been up to? how is he doing, what does yellow think about everything going on in bitcoin right now. spicy takes, lots of regardedness and a whole lotta fun. LFG! ✔ Special Guest/Fireside Chat: ► @ICOffenderII ► https://bitcoinhalvingparty.com ► http://memefactorytm.com ► http://mfmerch.com ✔ REKT: ► https://x.com/dsbatten/status/1867254130391363611?s=52&t=CKH2brGypO5fEYTgQ-EFhQ ► https://x.com/bitmexresearch/status/1867157179834257883?s=52&t=CKH2brGypO5fEYTgQ-EFhQ ► https://x.com/nikcantmine/status/1866973866146631877?s=52&t=CKH2brGypO5fEYTgQ-EFhQ ✔ Bitcoin Hopium: ► https://x.com/Vivek4real_/status/1866067301608354133 ► https://x.com/DavidFBailey/status/1867576218713022595 ► https://x.com/Vivek4real_/status/1866131911682273570 ► https://x.com/whits23/status/1866535087787086112 ✔ Twitter Handles: @coinicarus @AEHW1 ✔ ShoutOuts: ► @BitkoYinowsky - our PlebUnderground Logo ► @WorldofRusty - Our YT backgrounds and segment transitions ► @luckyredfish - Outro Graphic ► @plebsTaverne - Intro video ► @robbieP808x - Outro music ✔ Links Mentioned: ► https://timechaincalendar.com/en ► https://timechainstats.com/ ✔ Check out our Sponsor, support Bitcoin ONLY Businesses: ► https://cyphersafe.io/ We offer a full line of physical stainless steel and brass products to help you protect your bitcoin from various modes of failure. ► https://thunderfunder.com/ Thunder Funder is a funding portal registered with the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) and a member of the Financial Industry Regulatory Authority (FINRA). ► https://nohhue.com/ NOHhue is a community of Bitcoiners dedicated to building solutions and services with their own talent and work. ► Join Our telegram: https://t.me/PlebUnderGroundChat Timecodes: 0:00 - Intro 0:23 - Waltons Rap 2:32 - The Numbers 04:36 - Yellow's take on the numbers this week 06:02 - Why no DSB stats on timechainstats ant/tc? 06:50 - Results of Microsoft vote for bitcoin as a treasury asset? 12:10 - Fireside Chat: Yellow (ICOfender) 14:03 - It's been a week since we've seen yellow, whats he been up to? 15:23 - Captain Kirk Star Trek Vs. Captain Picard Star Trek 17:29 - Yellows thoughts on public companies and bitcoin hodl stacks 24:50 - Yellows take on saylors pitch to bitcoiners 25:00 - Is MicroStrategy just an evolution of memecoin? 26:30 - The next halving party tease 33:36 - The Bitcoin Rocky Analogy 35:36 - We all Coping without DSB 36:21 - REKT 36:52 - Eminem Style Rap pleading with city of Vancouver to start hodling bitcoin 41:59 - Bcashers continued social attacks towards bitcoin 44:00 - Is institutional adoption bitcoin failure or success? 47:50 - Roger Ver selling bcash as bitcoin through the bitcoin.com website 50:09 - The Single source of all bitcoins energy FUD exposed! 51:46 - Bitcoin Error Log submits controversial bip. 53:30 - Byte Federal doxed 58k of its ATM users... 1:00:02 - More big news out of the middle east for bitcoin. NGU!!! 1:03:53 - Dennis porter model is becoming replicated 1:07:15 - green, green, green, RED! #Bitcoin #crypto #cryptocurrency #weekly The information provided by Pleb Underground ("we," "us," or "our") on Youtube.com (the "Site") our show is for general informational purposes only. All information on the show is provided in good faith, however we make no representation or warranty of any kind, express or implied, regarding the accuracy, adequacy, validity, reliability, availability, or completeness of any information on the Site. UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCE SHALL WE HAVE ANY LIABILITY TO YOU FOR ANY LOSS OR DAMAGE OF ANY KIND INCURRED AS A RESULT OF THE USE OF THE SHOW OR RELIANCE ON ANY INFORMATION PROVIDED ON THE SHOW. YOUR USE OF THE SHOW AND YOUR RELIANCE ON ANY INFORMATION ON THE SHOW IS SOLELY AT YOUR OWN RISK.

This week on the Money Matters Podcast, Jack Mallers takes on the FUD, addressing former SEC official John Reed Stark's comments on “crypto” from 60 Minutes and former Goldman Sachs CEO Lloyd Blankfein's tweet questioning the new administration's support for bitcoin. Plus, a deep dive into Strike's new Bill Pay feature, practical tips for living on bitcoin and navigating taxes, and a live

Google annuncia Willow, un nuovo avanzamento scientifico nel campo dei chip quantici, e il panico si diffonde tra i bitcoiner più inesperti. Torniamo a parlare di quantum FUD, del perché è un'idiozia per allocchi e di come serva solo a manipolare il mercato.Inoltre: El Salvador e il Fondo Monetario Internazionale trovano un accordo, crolla il castello di carte dello schema ponzi SWAG, Microsoft dice no a Bitcoin, e molto altro! It's showtime!

✔ Sources: ► https://x.com/tylerdurden/status/1866279919661219903?s=52&t=CKH2brGypO5fEYTgQ-EFhQ ► https://www.nist.gov/programs-projects/quantum-communications-and-networks ► https://x.com/skdh/status/1866352680899104960 ► https://x.com/thebubblebubble/status/1866547839095951860?s=52&t=CKH2brGypO5fEYTgQ-EFhQ Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro 00:45 - Gold bugs discover quantum computing FUD yay! 01:15 - How many bitcoin haters have ever done the thought experiment of what successful quantum cracking of current encryption would mean? 02:38 - Quantum Bitcoin FUD Debunked! 05:43 - Conclusion #Bitcoin #crypto #cryptocurrency #dailybitcoinnews The information provided by Pleb Underground ("we," "us," or "our") on Youtube.com (the "Site") our show is for general informational purposes only. All information on the show is provided in good faith, however we make no representation or warranty of any kind, express or implied, regarding the accuracy, adequacy, validity, reliability, availability, or completeness of any information on the Site. UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCE SHALL WE HAVE ANY LIABILITY TO YOU FOR ANY LOSS OR DAMAGE OF ANY KIND INCURRED AS A RESULT OF THE USE OF THE SHOW OR RELIANCE ON ANY INFORMATION PROVIDED ON THE SHOW. YOUR USE OF THE SHOW AND YOUR RELIANCE ON ANY INFORMATION ON THE SHOW IS SOLELY AT YOUR OWN RISK.

Crypto News: Former SEC Official joined Ripple CEO Brad Garlinghouse on 60 minutes to spew FUD about XRP and Cryptocurrency. Amazon shareholders want the company to add Bitcoin to its balance sheet.Show Sponsor - ✅ VeChain is a versatile enterprise-grade L1 smart contract platform https://www.vechain.org/ 

How does holiday pricing work and what motivates sellers to drop prices during the holiday shopping season? Big Jim explains. Plus the media is warning that AI development has reached its peak, but is it true? Andrew Mayne cuts through the FUD. And The Information says the iPhone 17 “Air” rumored to be coming next year will be between 5 and 6 millimeters thick compared to the iPhone 16 at 7.8 mm.Starring Tom Merritt, Nica Montford, Andrew Mayne, James Thatcher, Roger Chang, Joe.Link to the Show Notes.

How does holiday pricing work and what motivates sellers to drop prices during the holiday shopping season? Big Jim explains. Plus the media is warning that AI development has reached its peak, but is it true? Andrew Mayne cuts through the FUD. And The Information says the iPhone 17 “Air” rumored to be coming next year will be between 5 and 6 millimeters thick compared to the iPhone 16 at 7.8 mm. Starring Tom Merritt, Nica Montford, Andrew Mayne, James Thatcher, Roger Chang, Joe. To read the show notes in a separate page click here! Support the show on Patreon by becoming a supporter!

Get totally TRUCKED UP! Simon Lindley, fed up with the FUD (fear, uncertainty, and doubt) surrounding electric vehicle (EV) trucks, decided to take matters into his own hands. He launched the Trucked Up EVs YouTube channel, where he's on a mission to test the limits of these electric beasts, evaluate the charging infrastructure across Canada, and debunk some myths. I caught up with Simon at the very beginning of the Alaska Highway in Dawson Creek, British Columbia. He was plugged into a BC Hydro DC Fast Charging station, charging his Ford F-150 Lightning at lightning speed. To truly understand the pros, cons, and challenges of touring with an EV truck, Simon embarked on an epic 24,000-kilometer cross-country adventure. He's testing the limits of his EV, exploring the charging landscape across every province, and engaging with his viewers in local coffee shops to discuss the future of electric vehicles. This is Green Energy Futures' David Dodge's full interview with Simon (35 minutes). Don't miss out! Subscribe to our channel today. Also, CHECK OUT OUR VIDEO feature (8 minutes) at https://youtu.be/sPgpl_qJwJk AND our short video (1 minute) at https://youtube.com/shorts/j9jWfk99z_k. For more IN-DEPTH CONTENT, visit GreenEnergyFutures.ca, where you'll find our collection of 400 micro-documentaries.

Liz isn't small, green, or hundreds of years old - but she has been a wise mentor to thousands of self-employed professionals, helping them realize their dreams of becoming solo entrepreneurs. With decades of experience building her own solopreneur career, including founding a national talent agency that made the Inc. 5000 list of fastest-growing private companies in the U.S. twice, Liz has distilled the formula for solopreneur success down to six essential keys. As the bestselling author of Succeeding as a Solopreneur, published in partnership with Inc. Magazine in March, Liz explains how these keys are crucial for overcoming FUD—fear, uncertainty, and doubt—and paving the way for long-term success.

We begin our podcast talking about some of the drama within the Ordinals community around the disruptive ability for Ordinal collection founders to make alterations to what is and is not part of their collection post mint. This falls in direct opposition to what Ordinal influencers have touted as the killer benefit to owning an Ordinal art piece as opposed to an NFT. The immutability provenance associated to Bitcoin does not seem to be applied in the metaprotocol realm and we discuss exactly why this is and detail how this will be a continued issue and potential FUD vector as the Ordinals market continues forward. We then go into more details about the NATRIX which we will likely begin LDE within the coming days without a fixed date. We break down what Bitmap is and how the NATRIX is the most true to Bitmap metaverse ecosystem roll out since the inception of Bitmap Theory. Also, we discuss how NATRIX is a showcase demonstration of how to onboard community by utilizing a single Bitmap as a super powerful tool to align community to partake in the construction process of a virtual environment. Also highlighting how the tools developed to make NATRIX a powerhouse demonstration being publicly available for all Bitmap owners to utilize in the future. Topics:  First up, talking about some of the drama within the Ordinals community around the disruptive ability for Ordinal collection founders to make alterations to what is and is not part of their collection post mint Next, go into more details about the NATRIX which the guys will likely begin LDE within the coming days and Finally, break down what Bitmap is and how the NATRIX is the most true to Bitmap metaverse ecosystem roll out since the inception of Bitmap Theory Please like and subscribe on your favorite podcasting app! Sign up for a free newsletter: www.theblockrunner.com Follow us on: Youtube: https://bit.ly/TBlkRnnrYouTube Twitter: bit.ly/TBR-Twitter Telegram: bit.ly/TBR-Telegram Discord: bit.ly/TBR-Discord

Liz Steblay is sometimes called “the Yoda of solopreneur success.” Liz isn't small, green, or hundreds of years old - but she has been a wise mentor to thousands of self-employed professionals, helping them realize their dreams of becoming solo entrepreneurs. With decades of experience building her own solopreneur career, including founding a national talent agency that made the Inc. 5000 list of fastest-growing private companies in the U.S. twice, Liz has distilled the formula for solopreneur success down to six essential keys. As the bestselling author of Succeeding as a Solopreneur, published in partnership with Inc. Magazine in March, Liz explains how these keys are crucial for overcoming FUD—fear, uncertainty, and doubt—and paving the way for long-term success. What you will learn Thinking about going solo? Find out if it's the right path for you and discover the steps to get started on your own terms. In a competitive market, standing out is everything. Master the art of branding, marketing, and business development so you can build the solo career you've always dreamed of. Want to keep more of what you earn? Learn strategies to reduce taxes and maximize your income while growing your solo business. Supercharge your workflow with AI. Discover how to use AI tools to save hours on tasks like content creation, editing, and title generation, freeing you up to focus on what truly matters. Keep your pipeline flowing. Build a reliable network virtually and learn smart strategies for turning digital connections into lasting relationships that support your solo journey.

Are the fire risks of EVs overblown? Tim Stevens is here to clear away the FUD. Plus The social media platform X is rolling out its controversial update to the block feature which will now allow users you've blocked to see your public posts. And why is X unblocking people from following accounts they've been blocked from? Starring Robb Dunewood, Tim Stevens, Roger Chang, Joe.Link to the Show Notes.

Are the fire risks of EVs overblown? Tim Stevens is here to clear away the FUD. Plus why did GM ditch support for Apple CarPlay and Android Auto from its upcoming EVs? And why is X unblocking people from following accounts they've been blocked from? Starring Robb Dunewood, Tim Stevens, Roger Chang, Joe. To read the show notes in a separate page click here! Support the show on Patreon by becoming a supporter!

What happens when two sets of threat researchers from Talos and Splunk's SURGe team meet? Aside from some highly controversial opinions and omissions about the best horror movie, the team discuss what security trends are FUD, and what's actually fearful/ most challenging at the moment. Also, what is the security industry not aware of enough, and also too aware of? Plus some thoughts on cybersecurity awareness training and how we can do better. This is a great conversation facilitated by SURGe's Mick Baccio, with Joe Marshall and Nick Biasini from Talos, and Tamara Chacon and Audra Streetman from SURGe.Catch up on all the latest and greatest threat research from our friends at SURGe at https://www.splunk.com/en_us/surge.html

This week we discuss the short bond trade, volatility and excessive hedging, and the election probabilities. We also delve into MicroStrategy's Bitcoin strategy, unrealized bond loss FUD, and much more. Enjoy! — Follow Quinn: https://x.com/qthomp Follow Tyler: https://twitter.com/Tyler_Neville_ Follow Felix: https://twitter.com/fejau_inc Follow Forward Guidance: https://twitter.com/ForwardGuidance Forward Guidance Newsletter: https://blockworks.co/newsletter/forwardguidance Follow Blockworks: https://twitter.com/Blockworks_ — Weekly Roundup Charts: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1S9PUsLK1G_mqZxzYWrQ1tbEsrgTlecF7/view?usp=drive_link — Ledger, the world leader in digital asset security for consumers and enterprises, proudly sponsors Forward Guidance, where traditional finance meets crypto. As Ledger celebrates a decade of securing 20% of the world's crypto assets, it offers a secure gateway for those entering digital finance. Buy a LEDGER™ device today and protect your assets with top-tier security technology. Buy now on Ledger.com. — Timestamps: (00:00) Introduction (02:33) Path of Interest Rates (08:01) Is the Short Long Bond Trade Overdone? (10:46) Overdone Currency Moves (12:53) Implied Volatility vs Realized Volatility (16:48) The MOVE Index & Election Hedging (20:29) Election Probability Distribution (27:17) Ledger Ad (28:02) Yellen & Real Interest Rates (31:10) Inflation Resurgence (33:18) Global Coordination (36:01) Macro Trading vs Ideas & the Bond Trade (39:04) The Reality of a Trump Presidency (47:04) Bitcoin & MicroStrategy (52:19) Tesla & The Convert Market (55:56) Unrealized Bond Losses FUD — Disclaimer: Nothing discussed on Forward Guidance should be considered as investment advice. Please always do your own research & speak to a financial advisor before thinking about, thinking about putting your money into these crazy markets.

Bjorn and Fud's LAST EPISODE! After nearly seven years of waxing nostalgic about life in Cabin Country, Bjorn and Fud spend their final episode remembering early days of their favorite time of the year- the Halloween season. Decorations, early costumes and Halloween candy they loved and hated. Thank you to everyone who visited with us and contributed to the podcast. And thanks, especially, to all of our listeners! Take care and be well! -Fud & Bjorn Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Crypto News: Ripple's Chris Larsen gives $10 Million in XRP to Kamala Harris. The FED and ECB spread FUD about Bitcoin.Show Sponsor -

Is the Ethereum roadmap… off track? Have we lost the plot? Are L2s running interference, intercepting all the users, transactions, and value from reaching the L1? And if all of this is real, and not just FUD, what should we do about it? We have Max Resnick on the show today, he's an Ethereum researcher working at Special Mechanism Group and he's got some opinions that are contrary to what is typically found out of the Ethereum Rollup Centric Roadmap.  Max explains why Ethereum is breaking down on its vision for bringing the world onto decentralized, censorship resistant, permissionless blockchains, and suggests possible alternative directions. ------

In this week's news roundup, Will, Colin, and Matt cover the news regarding Rhodium's Chapter 11 bankruptcy, and they also touch on the spree of post-halving mergers and acquisitions in bitcoin mining. Plus, what's the deal with public bitcoin miner AI/HPC strategies? Finally, they close on the ever-persistent (and always maddening) debate over bitcoin mining's energy use.Welcome back to The Mining Pod! Blockspace broke news this weekend that Texas-based bitcoin miner Rhodium is going bankrupt, and we follow up in today's show about what we do and don't know regarding the incipient restructuring. As Rhodium starts restructuring its debt, other bitcoin miners have been expanding, with mergers and acquisitions becoming the second hottest trend this summer in the mining sector. The hottest trend, though, is AI, and we've got the straight skinny on how public bitcoin miners are approaching the hyped-up sector. And in this week's Cry Corner, the gang addresses yet more quibbling about Bitcoin's energy use (when Solomon said that there's nothing new under the sun, he was really talking about energy FUD…).Timestamps:00:00 Start01:19 Difficulty report03:27 Rhodium files for bankruptcy08:28 Bitfarms acquires Stronghold09:07 GDA expansion09:28 Cipher Mining's new site15:04 AI & HPC industry update report22:09 Cry CornerPublished twice weekly, "The Mining Pod" interviews the best builders and operators in the Bitcoin and Bitcoin mining landscape. Subscribe to get notifications when we publish interviews on Tuesday and a news show on Friday!