See You In Court

“The rule of law is neither conservative nor liberal. It is entirely non-partisan — and it doesn't matter what your political beliefs are. We, as lawyers, are all committed to the rule of law.” – Lynne Borsuk In this short clip from Episode 51 – Georgia Lawyers for the Rule of Law, Lynne Borsuk and Seth Kirschenbaum remind us that justice depends on our shared commitment to fairness and impartiality.

In this short clip, attorney Seth Kirschenbaum reminds us that speaking up for justice can come with risks—but silence carries far greater ones. “There's even potential danger for people that stick their heads above the parapet and say, ‘Wait a minute, what the administration is doing here is wrong and it violates due process or it's an attack on the rule of law.'” As part of the Georgia Lawyers for the Rule of Law, Kirschenbaum and more than 400 Georgia attorneys are standing together to protect judicial independence and uphold the rule of law across the state. Listen to the full conversation featuring Seth Kirschenbaum and Lynne Borsuk, hosted by Robin Frazer Clark and Lester Tate:

At the end of every See You In Court episode, we ask the same question: How do you define justice? In this closing moment, attorney Lynne Borsuk shares clear definitions centered on fairness, equal treatment, and due process for everyone, regardless of wealth or background. Watch the full conversation on YouTube: https://youtu.be/nQlHvFy4O5k Listen to more episodes and resources: https://seeyouincourtpodcast.org/ Learn about Georgia Lawyers for the Rule of Law: https://georgialawyersfortheruleoflaw.org/ Guests • Seth Kirschenbaum • Lynne Borsuk Hosts • Robin Frazer Clark • Lester Tate About See You In Court See You In Court is Georgia's leading civil justice podcast from the Georgia Civil Justice Foundation. We share practical insights that help Georgians understand their rights and how to bring grievances before an independent court. Follow and Subscribe YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@seeyouincourtpodcast?sub_confirmation=1 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/seeyouincourtpodcast Website: https://seeyouincourtpodcast.org/ Disclosure The information in this episode is for educational purposes only. For legal advice, contact a licensed attorney in your jurisdiction.

One of the warning signs of authoritarianism is fear—fear of criticizing the government, fear of speaking up. In this clip from See You In Court Episode 51, Seth Kirschenbaum shares why this fear is growing in our nation's institutions, from law firms to universities, and why defending the rule of law depends on courage and accountability.

In this powerful moment from See You In Court, attorney Lynne Borsuk shares her deep disappointment with law firms that capitulated under political pressure, failing to uphold their professional duty to represent all clients — even the unpopular ones. “In their fear, they've created a dynamic that is deeply unhealthy for our democracy. I disapprove of their capitulation. Time will show it was unwise to capitulate.” This clip is a call to courage — a reminder that the rule of law depends on lawyers who stand firm, not those who bow to intimidation.

Fear can silence even the strongest voices. In this clip from See You In Court, attorney Seth Kirschenbaum shares how public pressure led one leader to reverse course—and why that moment reflects a growing climate of fear in America. Co-host Lester Tate reminds us that while speaking up can feel risky, staying silent can be far more dangerous for the rule of law.

Every court ruling has a winner and a loser — but our system has endured because people respected the rule of law. Today, that respect is under attack as judges face threats and intimidation. In this clip from See You In Court, Lester Tate and Seth Kirschenbaum explain why judicial independence is at risk, and why Georgia Lawyers for the Rule of Law are stepping up to defend it.

What happens when law firms give in to political pressure? In this clip from See You In Court, our guests explain why capitulating to the administration undermines the independence of the legal profession — and how clients are noticing. Some firms have lost clients who asked, “If you won't stand up for yourself, how can I expect you to fight for me?” Others have gained respect and trust by standing firm. This conversation is part of our full episode:

What makes America the “shining city on a hill”? According to our guests, it's the simple but powerful fact that we are a nation of laws — not of men. In this episode of See You In Court, hosts Robin Frazer Clark and Lester Tate sit down with Seth Kirschenbaum and Lynne Borsuk, founders of Georgia Lawyers for the Rule of Law. Together, they explore why the rule of law is the foundation of justice, why people around the world look to America for inspiration, and what's at stake if we fail to protect our legal system. This conversation goes beyond legal theory — it's about safeguarding fairness, protecting judges and lawyers from unfair attacks, and ensuring that the Constitution continues to guide us toward a just society.

When the rule of law comes under attack, who speaks up? In Georgia, more than 400 lawyers have come together to form Georgia Lawyers for the Rule of Law — the only statewide group dedicated to defending judges, lawyers, and the integrity of our justice system. In this powerful episode of See You In Court, hosts Robin Frazer Clark and Lester Tate welcome Seth Kirschenbaum and Lynne Borsuk to share: Why they launched this nonpartisan effort How threats against judges and law firms erode confidence in justice What ordinary citizens and lawyers alike can do to protect due process Their message is clear: justice is not partisan — it's the foundation of our democracy.

What do Canadians find most surprising about the U.S. legal system? In this clip, we discuss some of the biggest differences between the two countries' approaches to justice. From the Second Amendment to the election of judges, hear why certain aspects of American law simply don't “compute” for Canadian lawyers.

In this short clip, Dean Ian Holloway recalls his sabbatical at Samford University in Birmingham—Judge Dillard's alma mater—and reflects on the cultural ties between Canadians and the American South.  “Canadians aren't more polite than Southerners… Southerners are traditionally thought of as being just as gracious.” 

Did you know a Ford car can cross the U.S.-Canada border up to 10 times before it's finished? In this clip, Professor Ian Holloway underscores the deep integration between our economies and why cooperation is critical for both nations. He also raises concerns about a troubling perception shift—Canada as a greater threat than China or Russia.

As climate change reshapes the Arctic, the Northwest Passage has become a flashpoint. Russia and China are pressing for freedom of navigation, raising urgent questions about sovereignty, security, and defense spending. Professor Ian Holloway, veteran and former Dean of Law at the University of Calgary, shares why Canada must step up alongside the U.S. to safeguard shared maritime resources.

During the New York Bar Exam, a test-taker suffered a massive heart attack. EMTs performed CPR and used a defibrillator—while proctors refused to stop the test. Students who tried to help were told they would not receive extra time. Robin Frazer Clark and Lester Tate call this incident “disturbing” and question whether the bar exam has gone too far, prioritizing rigid rules over human compassion. This clip comes from our full interview with Professor Ian Holloway, where we examine law, justice, and the values that must guide our profession.

What's the connection between Halifax, the White House, and “The Star-Spangled Banner”?

In this episode clip from See You In Court, Professor Ian Holloway tells the fascinating story of Calixa Lavallée—a French-Canadian who fought in the war, witnessed its horrors, and turned his experience into the poem that became O Canada. A reminder that history, law, and culture are more connected than we often realize.

Never in a million years would anyone expect Canada to be seen as a greater threat to the United States than Russia or China. Yet, as Professor Ian Holloway explains in this clip, that perception has emerged in recent years. Holloway reflects on the long history of cooperation between the two countries—from Canada sheltering thousands of Americans on 9/11 to sending firefighters during California's wildfires. His reminder is simple but powerful: nations, like people, accomplish more with cooperation than with conflict.

Professor Ian Holloway joins Robin Frazer Clark and Lester Tate to discuss the legal, historical, and economic connections between Canada and the United States—and why civility still matters in the pursuit of justice. Highlights include: Why U.S. and Canadian legal systems feel so familiar—and where they diverge. Stories from the War of 1812, WWII, and modern trade alliances. Canada's unique role as Georgia's #1 trading partner. Ian's definition of justice as a shared duty.   Guest Bio Ian Holloway was the Dean of Law at the University of Calgary from 2011 to 2024.   Prior to this, Ian served as dean at another Canadian law school (Western Ontario?), and as associate dean at the Australian National University. Over the years, he has also held appointments at Cambridge and the National University of Singapore. He is a graduate of Dalhousie University, the University of California at Berkeley and the Australian National University. He is also an alumnus of the Kellogg School of Management at Northwestern University and the John F Kennedy School of Government at Harvard University. He is widely-published, both in Canada and around the world. In addition, he has published a book on naval history as well as many essays or other pieces in various legal and non-legal periodicals. He has been a regular columnist for Canadian Lawyer Magazine for a number of years.   Before beginning his academic career, Ian spent a number of years in private practice in Halifax with the Atlantic Canadian law firm of McInnes Cooper, where he focused on labour and employment law. He also served as the law clerk to the chief justice of the Federal Court of Appeal. In 2003, Ian was elected to membership in the American Law Institute, a distinction that is held by only a handful of Canadians. In 2004, he was appointed Queen's Counsel. In 2007, he chaired the review of legal education in Oman. In 2013-14, Ian served as the legal education and  raining team leader for the Canadian Bar Association's Futures project. In 2018, he was elected a Fellow of the  College of Law Practice Management, the first Canadian legal academic to be so honoured.   Ian is a member of the Nova Scotia Barristers'  Society, the Law Society of Ontario, the Law Society of Alberta and the Canadian Bar Association. He is currently a Trustee of the NALP Foundation, and formerly served for eight years as a Trustee of the Law School Admission Council. He served as a Governor of the Southern Alberta Division of the Canadian Corps of Commissionaires. He was a member of the Advisory Council to the Minister of Heritage on the Commemoration of the War of 1812, and he served as a member of the vice-regal selection committee for the Lieutenant Governor of Alberta. In 2015, he was appointed to the National Security and Intelligence Review Agency, and made a member of the King's Privy Council for Canada.   Beyond the legal sphere, Ian spent a total of twenty-five years serving in the Royal Canadian and Royal Australian Navies. Ian has received numerous awards in his career, including Queen Elizabeth II Diamond Jubilee Medal in 2013, the Commemorative Medal for the 125th Anniversary of Canadian Confederation in 1992, the Canadian Forces Decoration in 1989, and the Queen Elizabeth II Platinum Jubilee Medal (Alberta) in 2022. Links: Ian Holloway | UCalgary Profiles | University of Calgary Lester Tate: http://www.akintate.com/ Robin Frazer Clark: https://www.gatriallawyers.net/ See You In Court (seeyouincourtpodcast.org) To learn more about the Georgia Civil Justice Foundation, visit fairplay.org

Attorney McCracken Poston warns against confusing justice with revenge. In this short clip, he reflects on how public opinion can misinterpret acquittals and court outcomes, reshaping the meaning of justice. This moment comes from Episode 49: What Is Justice? Part 3 of the See You In Court podcast, where more than 50 legal voices share their perspective on the ultimate question: What is justice? Listen to the full episode here: https://seeyouincourtpodcast.org/2025/07/29/episode-49-what-is-justice-part-3/

In this See You In Court short, attorney Andy Rogers explains why justice is best described as a verb—something that happens when juries and settlements reflect the truth and treat clients fairly. From empowering juries to decide on complex cases to reaching settlements that leave clients feeling heard, Andy reminds us that justice takes many forms.

In this excerpt from See You In Court's annual “What Is Justice?” compilation, Ivy Cadle reminds us that justice isn't always about the end result — it's about ensuring everyone has an equal opportunity to participate in the process. She discusses how access to resources, regulatory reform, and the fairness of the journey are just as important as the verdict itself.

What does justice really feel like? In this short clip from See You In Court, attorney Andrew Rogers shares the story of a vulnerable client who, despite the odds, found closure and dignity through a well-negotiated settlement — not a trial. For Andrew, justice means making sure every client feels heard, no matter the outcome.

In this short clip, William Gentry uses a vivid analogy to explain the difference between justice, mercy, and grace—turning a speeding ticket into a story you won't forget. Catch the full conversation in Episode 49 of the See You In Court Podcast, featuring nearly 50 unique answers to the question: What is justice? Listen here: https://seeyouincourtpodcast.org/2025/07/29/episode-49-what-is-justice-part-3/

In this clip, Judge Alvin T. Wong defines justice as fairness, an equal chance to be heard, and treatment without bias or favoritism. This is one of nearly 50 perspectives shared in our special episode, “What is Justice? – Part 3,” where Georgia's legal leaders reflect on how teamwork, accountability, and equal access to courts define true justice.

Justice means something different to everyone—and that's exactly what makes it powerful. In Part 3 of our See You In Court series, hosts Robin Frazer Clark and Lester Tate bring together over some unique answers to the question we ask every guest: What is justice? From courtroom teamwork to fairness in family law, access to legal processes, and holding decision-makers accountable—this episode delivers a diverse range of perspectives from Georgia's top legal minds.

In this compelling clip from Episode 48, Joyce Gist Lewis makes a powerful statement on the ethical obligations lawyers hold — not to their clients' demands, but to the Constitution and the court. Just because someone is paying the bill, she says, doesn't mean they get to co-opt your character. Hear how this principle guides her work and why so many legal decisions are misunderstood by the public.

In this See You In Court podcast short, Joyce Gist Lewis shares how her background in theater sharpened her skills as a trial lawyer. Memorizing scripts is only half the job — great lawyers know how to improvise when it counts. Hear why adaptability is critical in the courtroom and beyond.  

In the full episode of See You In Court, Atlanta attorney Joyce Gist Lewis shares her journey from actor to litigator and her leadership at one of the largest women-owned law firms on the East Coast. She speaks powerfully about legal courage, election law, and why defending the rule of law matters now more than ever. In this compelling clip, host Robin Frazer Clark reads directly from the American Bar Association's lawsuit challenging the federal “law firm intimidation policy” — warning that without action, political retribution could silence lawyers, squash dissent, and threaten our entire legal system.

In this episode short, Joyce Gist Lewis explains how the government's role in voting rights cases is changing—and why it should concern all of us.

In this clip, Joyce Gist Lewis reflects on the conversation that sparked her next big move—and how it aligned with a goal she wrote down over 10 years ago: to create the largest woman-owned law firm in Georgia. Learn how she's bringing that vision to life at Krevolin & Horst by reshaping firm culture, leadership, and what it means to love practicing law.

In today's clip, Atlanta attorney Joyce Gist Lewis responds to growing intimidation facing lawyers who handle election cases. Her message is clear: “If we lose the rule of law, what are we here for?”

Before she became one of Georgia's most respected attorneys, Joyce Gist Lewis was chasing a different dream—acting on stage in Atlanta. In this short clip from Episode 48, Joyce opens up about the moment she realized she needed more intellectual stimulation, how her fiancé's legal stories sparked her curiosity, and why stepping away from her father's influence helped her find her true path to law school.

Joyce Gist Lewis doesn't flinch when asked about representing clients under political fire. In this clip from Episode 48, she offers a bold reminder of what's at stake when lawyers are intimidated.

In this episode of See You In Court, hosts Robin Frazer Clark and Lester Tate sit down with one of Georgia's most dynamic legal voices—Attorney Joyce Gist Lewis. From her early days in theater to becoming co-managing partner of one of the largest women-owned law firms on the East Coast, Joyce shares her inspiring story, her landmark legal battles, and her unwavering commitment to the rule of law.

What does justice really mean? In this special short clip from Episode 38 of See You In Court, attorney Douglas Amar reflects on one of the most profound definitions of justice—drawing from Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., he shares that "justice is love correcting that which revolts against love." He explores how justice and mercy are not opposites but deeply intertwined—expressed through grace, redemption, and the courage to uplift people and society. It's a heartfelt and timely reminder that real justice isn't just about the law—it's about humanity.

In the next episode of See You In Court, Robin Frazer Clark and Lester Tate welcome Joyce Gist Lewis—renowned Georgia attorney, legal leader, and advocate for professionalism in the practice of law. Joyce shares her remarkable journey through the legal profession, including her service on the State Bar of Georgia's Board of Governors and being named one of Georgia's Top 100 Lawyers. Together, they explore how true leadership, ethical integrity, and mentorship can shape the future of civil justice.

In this powerful short from Episode 47 of See You in Court, Professor Stephen Vladeck challenges the narrative that federal judges are politically targeting the Trump administration. Backed by new research, Vladeck reveals that 46 rulings against Trump-era policies came from 39 judges appointed by five different presidents from both parties—across 11 federal district courts and 7 circuits. This isn't about partisan politics—it's about judicial independence and the integrity of the legal process.

In this excerpt from Episode 45 of See You In Court, former Deputy Attorney General Larry D. Thompson offers a powerful defense of the public servants he worked alongside—especially those in the Department of Justice. He reminds us that while no system is perfect, the integrity and dedication of these professionals should not be diminished.

What happens if a president defies a Supreme Court ruling? In this powerful segment from Episode 47: The Shadow Docket, Georgetown Law Professor and constitutional scholar Stephen Vladeck breaks down the chilling implications of such a scenario—and why the federal courts remain a critical bulwark even in turbulent times.

In this short but revealing clip, Professor Stephen Vladeck explains how a high-stakes Supreme Court decision allowed the Biden administration to remove razor wire at the Texas border—without offering any explanation for the ruling.

In today's short clip, constitutional scholar Stephen Vladeck explains why the Supreme Court's use of unsigned, unexplained decisions—known as the “shadow docket”—is so dangerous. He shares why this judicial behavior, even when done in good faith, undermines public trust and the Court's ability to function in our constitutional system.

In this bold and urgent moment from Episode 47 of See You In Court, Professor Stephen Vladeck (Georgetown Law) warns about a growing danger: a world where the federal government can bully law firms into silence by retaliating against them for doing their jobs. He shares why this is an existential threat to our legal system—and salutes the courageous lawyers who resigned from firms that gave in to political pressure.

In this excerpt from Episode 47, Professor Stephen Vladeck reflects on justice—not as a clean or easy ideal, but as something "messy" that builds public faith in neutral and principled governance. Listen to the full conversation for deeper insights into the shadow docket, due process, and the evolving role of courts in modern America.

In this stirring clip from Episode 47 of See You In Court, Professor Stephen Vladeck (Georgetown Law) joins co-host Lester Tate to spotlight a growing concern in today's legal landscape: law firms choosing political appeasement over principle.

In this powerful clip from See You In Court Episode 47, Professor Stephen Vladeck tackles a critical—and unsettling—question: What happens if a president simply ignores a Supreme Court ruling? Professor Vladeck breaks down the legal and institutional consequences if the federal government stops following court orders, including the collapse of criminal prosecutions, civil enforcement, and basic constitutional protections. He also draws a direct line between recent violations of lower court rulings—such as the deportations under the Alien Enemies Act—and the dangers ahead. While he cautions against overstating the risk, Vladeck reminds us: fidelity to the rule of law must be a red line for voters, Congress, and every American.

In this clip from See You In Court Episode 47, Robin Frazer Clark and Professor Stephen Vladeck discuss an urgent threat to the legal profession: political retaliation against law firms. When the current administration issued executive orders revoking security clearances for firms that represented political opponents, some firms chose to fight back — filing lawsuits and securing restraining orders. Others, however, capitulated, offering pro bono work to avoid conflict. Professor Vladeck explains why these executive actions are unconstitutional under the First Amendment—and why settling sends the wrong message. The conversation highlights a growing divide between firms standing firm and those bending to political pressure. This is a critical moment for the future of the rule of law — and for the integrity of the legal profession itself.

In this compelling moment from Episode 47, Professor Stephen Vladeck discusses a rare and rapid public response from Chief Justice John Roberts following a social media post by President Trump. Could this be the first real sign of judicial pushback?

Can the U.S. government deport someone without a hearing—or even proof of identity? In this powerful clip, Professor Stephen Vladeck, constitutional law expert and author of The Shadow Docket, explains why recent actions under the 1798 Alien Enemies Act should alarm every American. If the government doesn't need to prove you're undocumented, what's stopping them from targeting anyone? Vladeck exposes the dangers of bypassing judicial review and warns of the precedent this sets—not just for immigrants, but for all citizens.

In this brief clip from Episode 47, Professor Stephen Vladeck explains why judges need to write opinions—even on urgent or procedural rulings. When they don't, it feeds the perception of partisanship and erodes public trust. Hear why transparency in the courts isn't just a legal issue—it's a democratic one.