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Keith hosts a discussion with Pastor Jon Sanders on the Bible's teachings about money.  They explore the context of biblical verses, emphasizing that wealth itself is not sinful but how it's used matters. They discuss tithing, noting it's a principle of generosity, not a legalistic rule. The Bible does not condemn real estate or property ownership, as it is not explicitly forbidden. Wealth can be a tool for doing good and providing housing for others. Resources: Explore the EntrePastors platform to learn more about Pastor Jon Sanders' work in helping pastors with entrepreneurship and financial management. Show Notes: GetRichEducation.com/546 For access to properties or free help with a GRE Investment Coach, start here: GREmarketplace.com GRE Free Investment Coaching:GREmarketplace.com/Coach Get mortgage loans for investment property: RidgeLendingGroup.com or call 855-74-RIDGE  or e-mail: info@RidgeLendingGroup.com Invest with Freedom Family Investments.  You get paid first: Text FAMILY to 66866 Will you please leave a review for the show? I'd be grateful. Search “how to leave an Apple Podcasts review”  For advertising inquiries, visit: GetRichEducation.com/ad Best Financial Education: GetRichEducation.com Get our wealth-building newsletter free— text ‘GRE' to 66866 Our YouTube Channel: www.youtube.com/c/GetRichEducation Follow us on Instagram: @getricheducation Complete episode transcript:   Automatically Transcribed With Otter.ai    Keith Weinhold  0:01   Welcome to GRE, I'm your host. Keith Weinhold, what does the Bible say about money? Is it virtuous to acquire wealth, or are you going to hell for that one Bible verse reads, "it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God". I asked Pastor John Sanders all about it, as well as what other religions say about money today on get rich education   since 2014 the powerful get rich education podcast has created more passive income for people than nearly any other show in the world. This show teaches you how to earn strong returns from passive real estate investing in the best markets without losing your time being a flipper or landlord. Show Host Keith Weinhold writes for both Forbes and Rich Dad advisors, who delivers a new show every week since 2014 there's been millions of listener downloads of 188 world nations. He has a list show guests and key top selling personal finance author Robert Kiyosaki, get rich education can be heard on every podcast platform, plus it has its own dedicated Apple and Android listener phone apps build wealth on the go with the get rich education podcast. Sign up now for the get rich education podcast or visit get rich education.com   Corey Coates  1:19   You're listening to the show that has created more financial freedom than nearly any show in the world. This is get rich education.   Keith Weinhold  1:35   Welcome to GRE from Bel Air, Maryland to Bel Air, California and across 188 nations worldwide. I'm Keith Weinhold, and this is get rich education. I hope that your week's off to a good start with 546 weekly episodes. We've approached investing from a lot of angles. Commonly, it's a strategic approach, but there are other wealth building approaches we discussed here, like mindset, what type of vehicle you're going to use, the academic perspective, the protective approach, then there's a mathematical angle. But today, for the first time, it's the theological perspective. Now, even if you're not a Christian or religious at all, what the Bible says about money has import, because the Bible is the number one selling book of all time, so it surely affects the mindset and the approach of those around you. I've got a pretty inflammatory question for you, if money is the root of all evil, then why do they ask for it at church? Now I say that a little jokingly. We're going to debunk that in fact and more as Pastor John joins us shortly, I will hit that verse head on and ask him about it, the verse that says it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. I'm really interested in what he says about that. I mean, in fact, that's actually something I wanted to know about for decades. That's always piqued curiosity inside me, and especially since I'm the 10 plus year host and founder of a platform called get rich education. There's a lot I'd like to ask about that. There is more that I'd like to ask about, if we get time. I'd also like to know what the Bible says about tithing and real estate and gambling and more. Let's meet Pastor John.   With over 20 years in pastoral ministry, this week's guest, also has a passion for using his voice to motivate and inspire ministry leaders. His father was also a pastor. He is non denominational. Hey, welcome to GRE Jon Sanders.   Jon Sanders  4:04   Keith, this is my pleasure to be here. Man, been looking forward to this conversation, so thanks for having me on the show   Keith Weinhold  4:09   me too. We're doing something really different this week. I've been anticipating it, and I sure have some specific things I want to ask you, even some Bible verses later that are somewhat antagonistic to wanting to build wealth. But before we drill down and get into that, just big picture, John, when we talk about what the Bible says about money broadly, what should we keep in mind    Jon Sanders  4:34   with anything when it comes to Scripture? One of the greatest principles to keep in mind is that context matters, because without context, you can make the Bible say about anything you want it to say. And that's probably what we're going to dig into a little bit, is that if you just read a verse in one little snippet and divorce it from not only its context, but the rest of Scripture, you can come away with a pretty skewed view, as many people in the world. Have, as well as many people in the church, many Christians have a skewed view about money and about wealth because of some, you know, certain verses that I'm sure we'll get to today, I would say just an overarching principle, context matters, and hopefully we can show a little bit of that context in our conversation and just see that maybe what you thought the Bible says about money is not, in fact, what the Bible says about money. We'll see where this goes.   Keith Weinhold  5:24   Context matters and mindset matters. You know that we're a real estate investing show, but episode number one of the get rich education podcast from 2014 is titled, your abundance mindset. Do Christians worship a God of abundance, where he would want you to use your God given talents to flourish and produce and make more in this world. Or do you not see it that way?   Jon Sanders  5:53   I 100% see it that way. And what's interesting to me is that as believers, we would say, many of us would agree with things like we believe in this limitless God who spoke the universe into existence by nothing more than the power of his spoken word and just the abundant world in which we live like we believe in that God who can do all kinds of miraculous things. And yet, then, when it comes to the subject of money, so often, we live out something very different than that. With such scarcity, we act as though there's such limited resources at our disposal, and our thinking is so enmeshed in poverty thinking and scarcity thinking. And I think as God's people, we ought to be some of the most abundant thinking people there is because we are supposedly tapped into the most abundant source the world has ever known. So there is a discrepancy there, but I'm 100% with where you are on that we serve an abundant God, and we would do well to think in abundant terms, because I think we're gonna find that his resources never run out.   Keith Weinhold  6:57   Right? We're here to think abundantly in flourish. One thing I like to say is, don't live below your means. Grow your means. Christians should when I'm asking you as a pastor, I would think they would believe that God was an abundant creator. He created the earth that we live on a gigantic piece of real estate.    Jon Sanders  7:17   Yeah, and so much more. And like I said, it never runs out. Whether we're talking about his physical resources or we're talking about the more intangible resources that we can't necessarily hold in our hands. There is always more than enough with the God that we serve. And yet, how then do we come to such places of scarcity and limitation? I would contend this Keith that if someone is actually reading the Bible, applying the principles to their life, they will inevitably, more and more grow in their wealth and in their abundance and in their ability to manage well the resources that God has put into their hand. Now that's not the same as what some might put into the category of what they'd call the prosperity gospel, where God wants everyone to be rich and never to have any sickness or financial difficulties like those are not the same messages. We're not all promised the same exact outcomes, but I believe if we follow the timeless principles, the laws that have been established by the Creator that he's shared with us through His word, I think we can expect to flourish and thrive and prosper and do well and continually grow whatever resources he's put into our hands. As a matter of fact, I would point to a parable that Jesus told, many of the parables that Jesus told in the Gospel accounts of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, many of them deal with money. Now, all of Jesus's parables got to a deeper, like more Kingdom spiritual lesson. But in many of them, he used something that all of us can relate to, and that is money. Because scripture has a lot to say about money. And then, specifically, in one of those parables in Matthew 25 I believe Jesus told a story of the master who represents God in the story how he gave differing talents or financial amounts to three different servants based upon their own abilities. And right in there, there's some truth that we can learn and apply, that we don't all have the same abilities, but God allows us, He gives us certain things that are in our capability to handle, and then with that comes an expectation that we manage that well, because it doesn't actually belong to us. That's a big principle of money in Scripture is that none of it actually belongs to us. All of it belongs to the Lord, but we are stewards. That's kind of a Bible word. We are the managers of the resources He's given us. And even from that parable I mentioned in Matthew 25 there is an expectation that we take what has been entrusted to us and we multiply it. And if we fail to do that, the words of the master that Jesus. In that parable, were you wicked and lazy servants? The words of the master to the one servant who basically squandered what had been entrusted to him, he was called a wicked and lazy servant. So there's an expectation that we are not wicked and lazy servants, but that instead, we take whatever resources have been entrusted to us and multiply them for the good of God's kingdom and for His glory. So that's just one. I mean, there's countless stories that Jesus told that we can learn principles like that from.   Keith Weinhold  10:30    I think building prosperity is being the opposite of laziness or sloth. Is it bad to be wealthy?    Jon Sanders  10:39   I would say, according to the Bible, 100% No, it is not wrong or immoral or sinful to be wealthy. We can point to many heroes of our faith who were men and women of great wealth. We can also point in Scripture to wicked people who also were men and women of great wealth. So the question is not whether or not someone has money. That's not what sets them apart as righteous or wicked. It's what they do with that money. It's how they live. It's their character that really is what we measure that by. And so here's what I would contend without money, it's really hard to do good things in the world. You're very limited when you put money in the hands of good people, those people can use those resources for all kinds of good purposes and to help a lot of people. I mean, that's just common sense, and so it's not a bad thing for righteous people to multiply their wealth and to grow in their wealth in order to be in a position to help even more people.   Keith Weinhold  11:39   The way I think about it, is that producers and entrepreneurs, they need to give first before they can create any prosperity for themselves. And what's foundational in our mission here at GRE is to do good in the world, provide housing that's clean, safe, affordable and functional. You're giving you're qualifying for a loan, you're buying property, you're taking on risk before anything can possibly come back to you and John here, I've often touted, hey, we provide housing that's clean, safe, affordable and functional. We can maybe abolish the term slumlord, for example. So that's what I'm talking about with doing good in creating prosperity for ourselves as a result of that.   Jon Sanders  12:24   Yeah, and I'll point out another biblical principle that you just outlined, whether you realize it or not, and that is the law of sowing and reaping. It's the law of the harvest. You don't have to believe in God for this to be true. If you go plant something, you will get more of the thing you planted, if you tend to the soil well, and if the conditions are right, and you mentioned it, that is risk. Like there's risk involved. Every time a farmer goes and sows seed into the soil, like there's no guarantee that I'm going to get that back, things can happen. It's a believable risk. It's a relatively manageable risk. It's a risk, nonetheless, to take a great amount of seed and put it into the soil in faith. And I want to point that word out. There's faith when we as entrepreneurs go out, we're acting in faith when we take that risk. And again, it's something that we have to kind of weigh it out, is this a wise risk to take? But at the end of the day, there still is no guarantee. But there is that law of sowing and reaping and the law of the harvest. And I think God honors that, I know he honors that I believe he is honored by our faith. It literally can be an act of worship done to him was we go start businesses, as we invest in real estate, as we buy properties like that, actually can be part of our worship, and us fulfilling the very purpose for which God put us here, to manage what he's given us, to multiply it, and then to do good with it, as you're describing. I agree totally.   Keith Weinhold  13:48   that's a good point. It really is an act of faith to provide an income property, faith that you're going to have a rent paying tenant, faith that you're going to be able to maintain the place, faith that you're buying a property in a market where you have a good expectation that you're going to be able to have future rent paying tenants. Yeah, it really is an act of faith. Well, John, there are some specific verses in the Bible that are really well known and deal with money. One is the often misquoted verse that everyone is familiar with. And what's misquoted is that people say that money is the root of all evil. But as we know, that verse from the book of Timothy is misquoted. It is for the love of money that is the root of all evil. Can you tell us more about that, why it's misunderstood, and actually, just what that really means for the love of money is the root of all evil,   Jon Sanders  14:42   by the way, just stepping back a second in the conversation to your question, is it wrong to be rich? Here's another supporting text where the answer is no, because the verse you're speaking of the apostle Paul wrote this in a letter to Timothy. He's telling Timothy again, in the context, he's telling Timothy. To address the rich people in the church and say some things to them, teach the rich people some things, and he didn't tell them, you know, shame them for having wealth and for being rich. Instead, he's teaching them how to be rich, how to be a good rich person. And it's in that context where that line is found, that the love of money is the root of all evil. Fast forward to modern times. We've kind of thrown the word love out of it, and we just said, There it is. Money is the root of all evil, and we say it with a sense of self righteousness. As I'm sitting here, broke, living paycheck to paycheck, I don't want to be one of those evil rich people. That's not what it says at all. It's saying the love of money is the root of all evil, and we do need to step into this for just a moment. There are warnings in Scripture about money, because if we don't realize and recognize the power of wealth and the power of money, I believe probably one of the reasons God's word says more about money than it does so many other topics is because the danger that money has to compete with God himself. I often say I don't think it's God and the devil that are in competition with each other. In many ways, it's God and money, because Jesus even said you can't serve both. You can't have two masters. You'll either love the one or despise the other. That doesn't mean you can't worship God and have money. It says you can't worship them both, because your allegiance is going to go one way or the other, and the more wealthy we become. There is a danger in that, or maybe even before the wealth shows up. If there is this just burning desire to be rich above all else, it can pull us off course. It can pull our focus away from the Lord. So there is a warning in that that we should heed and listen to. Apparently, according to Scripture, money is powerful, and it's powerful for good and it's powerful for evil. And so if we're going to have some of it, and if we're going to grow the amount that we have, it sounds like it's a pretty powerful tool that we ought to know how to use and how to use properly, no different than when you throw the keys to the car to your teenage driver, like we just put a very powerful tool in their hands, and we pray and trust that they're going to use it wisely and not drive it off the cliff, you know, or kill someone in the process. And money's very much the same way. So the warning is good, but what's not good is to take it out of context and build this paradigm of somehow, the less money I have, the more righteous I am. And in the platform that I'm building, we have a online community. We call it entree pastors, that specifically helps pastors do better financially through entrepreneurial business man, we combat this mindset all the time, because we're dealing not only with people who've been in the church most of their life, but people who have led in the church, and there is so much scarcity thinking around money that we have to address so many of these themes that you and I are unpacking right now. So yeah, often I have found myself taking people to this Scripture and having them read it again and again until they hear themselves say that the love of money is the root of all evil, not having money that is not the root of all evil, it's the love of it. So hopefully that helps shine some light on that confusion   Keith Weinhold  18:15   yes, so one can take it too far if it becomes the love of money? Well, there is a verse in the Bible. In fact, I think it occurs in more than one place. 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Chris Martinson, listen to get rich education with Keith Weinhold, and don't quit your Daydream.    Keith Weinhold  20:56   Welcome back to get rich education. We've got a pretty special episode today. Our discussion is what the Bible has to say about money, and we're talking with Pastor John Sanders. He's breaking it down for us. John, this is the one thing I thought about more than any other before chatting with you today. It is that well known verse about the camel going through the eye of a needle. And John, I first remember my mom telling me about this verse. Perhaps I was as young as age 12, and that verse is, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God. Here I am a 10 plus year host of a show called get rich education, helping people build wealth ethically through real estate investing. But how do we square up that verse if we're looking to make more of ourselves financially?   Jon Sanders  21:53   Yeah, and like we said at the beginning of the show, if that's all it said, and if that's the only thing you knew, you would come away from that pretty convinced that Jesus thinks it's impossible to love God and also be rich, like there's just no way a rich person can enter the kingdom of heaven. But as we said, context matters. So if we kind of zoom out a little bit and look at the greater context of what's happening in that passage of Scripture, you will recall, and maybe some are hearing this for the first time. But there was a rich man who approached Jesus, and he basically was kind of wanting to justify himself, and so he asked the question, you know, what good things must I do to inherit eternal life and inherit the kingdom of God? And Jesus starts by saying, follow the commandments. And this rich guy basically says, I'm paraphrasing all of this. You can go read it for yourself, but he's saying I've done all those things which, by the way, side note, No, he hasn't. None of us have followed all of God's 10 Commandments and more, like we just I've broken every single one of them. We're all sinners. Probably you have too Exactly. So he's already off base, this rich guy. So then Jesus hits him where he knows it's gonna hurt, and he says, Okay, here's the one thing you're still lacking. Go sell everything you have and give it to the poor, and then come and follow Me. And what it says is that the rich man turned away very sad, because he had great wealth, and see Jesus exposed what this man really worshiped in that I don't believe that that is a commandment from Jesus to all of us to go, sell everything we have, give to the poor and come follow him. That was a specific statement spoken to this specific man, and it did exactly what it was meant to do. It kind of smoked out the real heart issue that was happening here. So then Jesus turns to his disciples after this man walks away sad because he was not willing to pay that price. And that's where Jesus makes this statement that is so classic, where we all know, you know, it's easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of heaven. If you keep reading a few verses later, Jesus goes on to say, with man, this is impossible. But with God, all things are possible. So it is possible for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God. It may be more difficult. It may be more challenging because, as we said a minute ago, when we do have great wealth, that wealth competes in many ways with our heart for the place that God wants to hold in our heart. It is easy when we have margin and we don't need God as much, or we don't think we need God as much. We don't necessarily have to humble ourselves as much when I have all these resources. But that's not impossible. It is possible for godly people to have great wealth and to bow in humility before King Jesus, and to worship Him, and ultimately, to inherit the kingdom of heaven and be better for it, and not, you know, worse off. So again, I hopefully that explains that a little bit or gives some more light to that, because if you just take that little snippet, you're essentially taking it out of the greater context and missing the point, and you're. Making the point something that Jesus never intended, which was to say, rich people can't get to heaven. That's a mishandling of that text   Keith Weinhold  25:08    yeah? Because I think it states that, or something close to it three times in the Bible, in the Quran, the Muslim holy book, also has something similar in it, yeah.   Jon Sanders  25:19   And again, I know in in the New Testament, where it's mentioned multiple times, it's probably because it's found in those Gospel accounts that basically tell the same story just from four different authors. So that's sometimes where you see that repetition in the New Testament is because it's the same story being told just from a slightly different vantage point a different author. But the principle is there, to try to say that scripture forbids people from being wealthy or from pursuing wealth, would be a complete misstatement. It's simply not true. You know, to read scripture in its entirety, you can walk away from it with this understanding that God, not only is he not opposed to wealth, but God is the source, because he owns it all. It all belongs to him, and he actually the more I walk in faithfulness with what he's given to me and what he's entrusted to me, the more I can actually expect will be given to me, because I will see the fruits of those labors multiplied. That's the path I'm on right now, unashamedly, unapologetically, I am working on growing wealth, not only for my family in this generation, but scripture says a righteous man leaves an inheritance to his children's children and man, what if we started telling that story more than trumpeting these verses that make it sound like God is really upset with people who have Money? What if we actually encourage God's people to go build wealth and create more of it? Yeah, because   Keith Weinhold  26:46   I've heard a few different takes on that verse, John, about a rich man not being able to enter the kingdom of God. You know, some have joked, Oh, does the church just want you to put everything in the offering plate and not have anything for yourselves? Another take on it, I guess. If I read the verse closely about how a rich man cannot enter the kingdom of God, well, don't die rich. You be wealthy and then bequeath everything to your heirs upon your death. So technically, you're not dying rich. There are a lot of takes upon that verse. Really appreciate getting your perspective and your interpretation on that context piece being really important, John, when we think about what the Bible says about money, in the intersection of both money and the Bible, oftentimes we think about tithing, which I think of that is giving a 10% of your income to the church. So do you have any thoughts about tithing, or just some of the other general things that the Bible says about money.   Jon Sanders  27:41   I certainly have some thoughts, but more importantly, Scripture says some things. So it really doesn't matter what John thinks about it, but tithing is a controversial subject, so let me start with maybe something that's not so controversial, and we can jump into the tithing. Here's something that is not controversial from Scripture. The more we give, the more of a blessing it is for us. The more that we can give, the more God blesses us. God blesses generosity. So hopefully we can all agree upon that For God so loved the world John 316 that He gave His one and only son. So there's a direct correlation between loving and giving. And the more that I give, the more God seems to bless my life. And I know it sounds cliche, if you grew up in the church, we always heard statements like, you cannot out give God. The more I give, the more God gives back. And again, I'm careful to say that because I don't want to treat God like a cosmic slot machine where I put in $1 and pull the lever and hope to get 100 it is, again, it's just one of those laws that God has established that he blesses generosity. So then the question just becomes, what does our giving look like? What does our generosity look like when we look to Scripture, Old Testament? Bottom line tithing was, I mean, it was commanded. It was part of the overall giving that God required of his people. And a tithe is a 10% of the first fruits 10% off the top. And it's like when people argue that, or they say, Well, I'm tithing 2% that's like saying you ran a three mile marathon. My marathon is not three miles, right? Yeah, tithing is 10% the question is, is tithing for modern day believers? Are we supposed to be doing that? I will share my quick thoughts with you. I believe we are under grace. We are no longer under law. So I don't think that this is a matter of salvation. It's not at that level. But I will say this, I believe Jesus commended tithing, and I'll tell you where it took place, and you can go look at this on your own if you want. I think it's in Matthew 23 again, the context is not really about tithing. The context is Jesus is dealing with the religious establishment. The people he had the harshest words forever were the religious leaders, and he's taken them to task. And he says in there, like you guys tithe off of your mint and your dill, like you're tithing off of everything, like the illegal. Stick level, and yet you're ignoring the greater elements. You know, mercy, love, sacrifice. And then he goes on to say, You should do the first without ignoring the second. And I'm paraphrasing again, so go read it for yourself. What many people look at that passage and they say, here it is, Jesus commended tithing. He basically said, No tithing is good. You should do that. One other case I would make for New Testament, tithing is simply this. When Jesus stepped onto the scene in the New Testament, He never lowered the bar that was set in the Old Testament law. He actually elevated it. I'll give an example. Jesus said something like you have heard it said, You shall not murder. But I tell you, if you hate your brother, you're worse than a murderer. So he elevates it from just the physical act of killing to the heart condition of hating that leads to the killing. He did the same thing with adultery. You have heard it said, Thou shalt not commit adultery, but I tell you, if you look at a woman with lust, you've already committed adultery in your heart. So he raises the bar, not lowers it. So my question has always been, when it comes to tithing, would we believe Jesus to lower that bar and say, Ah, it's not important. Don't do it. You don't need to do it. Or would we expect him to raise the bar? I actually think the bar has been raised. He commended the poor widow that gave everything she had, and it wasn't much, but it was 100% sacrifice, and Jesus praised her. Now I don't think he's that's prescriptive of all of us to go drain our bank accounts, but I think what God is celebrating in the New Testament is sacrificial giving. For me personally, my personal opinion is that tithing is just kind of a good starting place for biblical giving. But I don't hold it up as a legalistic rule that says Thou shalt tithe based on what we see in the Old Testament and how we see it transition over into the New Testament. That tithing is not a bad idea, but if you're a modern day Christian that says I don't believe in tithing, I don't think I need to tithe. Okay, cool. I'm not mad about it. My challenge to you then would simply be this, what does generosity look like to you, and are we lowering the bar? Are you pushing back on tithing because you desire to give less? And if so, maybe there's a heart condition. There of you wanting to cling to something instead of being open handed. It's not my place to sit and look over your shoulder and go. You need to give more of your income. I mean, the Holy Spirit does a better job of being the Holy Spirit than than I do. So really, that's between you and the Lord. But my question and my challenge to modern Christians would be, what does generosity look like for you. You know, what is your discipline or your habit, your system around giving? If there is none, I personally think that's a problem. I think there ought to be some level of generosity happening in your life, because you'll be blessed, and God will use you to bless others. And that's a pretty cool thing, when God gets to channel his resources through you to someone else. So I don't believe everything that God allows us to have in our hands is 100% for us to hold for ourself. I think some of it is he's using us as a channel or a conduit to flow those resources in other directions. So those are just a few kind of high level thoughts of not only what Scripture says about tithing, for sure, but also maybe how we might look at it in a New Testament context,   Keith Weinhold  33:23   there's some good questions for you, the listener, to ask yourself when it comes to the framing and the importance of your giving and your tithing. John, what does the Bible say about real estate or property?    Jon Sanders  33:35   There are places I can't tell you you know exact location in Scripture off the top of my head, but I know there are places in Scripture that talk about going and purchasing land, or somebody owning land, and so I believe scripture upholds the idea of personal private property, and private property ownership, obviously, under the context of what we said earlier, that all of it ultimately belongs to the Lord. But I think it's a good thing. I certainly will tell you this. It's not condemned in Scripture. I know of nowhere in Scripture where we are forbidden from pursuing real estate or pursuing land. Is it like I say on the flip side, I could find examples where people bought and sold land. I'll give you one. Just popped into my head. In the early church, Ananias and Sapphira, they actually were put to death. And it's a really deep story. The issue, the reason they were judged instantly is because they lied about it. But they had land, they went and sold it, and they did not give all of it to the church leaders. And that was not the issue. The issue was they lied about the fact that they were giving all so they wanted to look a certain way, and that's the sin that God was kind of rooting out of the early church. But right in there, I think it's in like Acts chapter four, maybe or five, right in that area, it says directly, was not the land yours before you sold it and after you sold it, was not the land the money yours to keep. Why have you done this wicked thing? And the thing, again, that they were being judged for was lying to the Holy Spirit. And it was kind of like in that moment in the early church, the Lord was saying, we're not doing this like we're not going to live this fake, hypocritical life. And he judged it instantly, kind of grateful that God doesn't still deal with us in that way. It's not to say that he could not. That's a quick story that popped into my head as an example of buying and selling land. So if you do buy and sell land, just don't lie to the Lord about about how much you sold it for, because he knows it was his in the first place. He knows how much you sold it for. So just be honest in your dealings. There you go.    Keith Weinhold  35:39   Well, I'm grateful that the Bible doesn't say you have a limit of five rental properties. That's really good to hear. Right? Well, John, as we're winding down here, we've talked about Christianity and what the Bible says about money. Are there any non Christian religions that, just if you could spotlight one, that have a really interesting approach to money, whether that's Muslims avoiding debt, or anything, Hindus or Buddhists believe just any one thing. That's particularly noteworthy with non Christian religions approach to money.    Jon Sanders  36:09   I'm going to acknowledge a lot of my ignorance when it comes to other world religions. I can speak of one thing very locally to where I live, I don't know. It's kind of a religious thing. It's kind of a cultural thing. So where I live in South Dakota, I'm surrounded by, you know, an Indian reservation not too far from me. And the Native American culture is very prevalent here. And one thing that's been interesting to me to learn over the years is that, as I understand it, the Native American culture does not believe that you can own property. So they don't own land. They don't believe in owning land, at least historically, traditionally. So again, is that a religious thing? Is that a cultural thing? Not exactly sure. I don't share that belief, but it's an interesting take on things. So I'm sure there's so much more that a different guest could give you in terms of insight on other world religions when it comes to, you know, their view on certain deaths and philosophies around finances and things like that. For me, I really have studied one very deeply, and that's Christian faith. So I don't really feel like I'm much of an expert to speak from those other perspectives.   Keith Weinhold  37:18   Well, John, this has been enlightening to me. I've learned some things, and I sure might now know how to explain my way out of the whole camel in the eye of a needle. Verse there, if someone wants to learn more about you, tell them how   Jon Sanders  37:34   you can look me up online. I have a website called entrepastors.com me and my partner, les Hughes, as I said earlier, we help pastors provide better for their families through entrepreneurial business. If you want to connect with me, if you just go to entrepasters.com all of the links to connect with my social media and everything else are right there, and I'd be happy to jump on a call or serve you in any way that I can. So I would welcome you reaching out.    Keith Weinhold  38:01   Oh, thanks a lot for offering that to our audience. It's been a pleasure hosting you.   Jon Sanders  38:05   Thanks, Keith. Been a fun conversation. I appreciate you having me.   Keith Weinhold  38:15   Oh, yeah, good stuff from Pastor John today. I did not know that Pastor John would agree with me this much. I guess I'm frankly, a little relieved I learned some things too. Check out his platform again. It's called entre pastors. This was definitely an anticipated episode here today. The good news is we've got more anticipated episodes amidst an expected economic slowdown in potential recession. What actually happens to real estate in a recession? I will cover that and then with a lot of political turmoil and policy change coming from the White House that promises to massively swing the economy. I would like to have someone that's inside the White House and advising President Trump himself on his economic policy to come here on the show so that I can go ahead and ask them about it. Well, that's hard to do while they're in office and the administration is in full swing like this. So speaking of anticipated shows coming up here on the GRE podcast in future weeks, we have the financial advisor, the budget director of a past president that advised that president in the White House. He will be our guest here on the show. You'll learn what you can expect from him for the next nearly four years. And you know, something that might be even better to have that past president's White House Advisor here on the show, because he will feel emboldened to be more critical. Perhaps. Stay tuned for that big thanks to the terrifically knowledgeable John Sanders today in. Till next week, I'm your host, Keith Weinhold, don't quit your Daydream.   Dolf Deroos  40:07   Nothing on this show should be considered specific, personal or professional advice. Please consult an appropriate tax, legal, real estate, financial or business professional for individualized advice. Opinions of guests are their own. Information is not guaranteed. All investment strategies have the potential for profit or loss. 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Sometimes we will get asked the question, “When do I know when it's time to quit what I'm doing and try something different?”  In other words, how do I know when it's time to pivot?  In this episode of the EntrePastors podcast, Jon and Les share some general principles and words of encouragement to anyone who might feel stuck in their current situation and looking for a fresh start.  Jon and Les also share some big announcements about some pivots they're making with the EntrePastors platform as well as their own personal business endeavors.  

None of us naturally enjoy when big problems suddenly come upon us in our lives.  We generally do our best to stay in a place of relative comfort and avoid hardship.  But the truth is, God often works through some of the most challenging circumstances in our lives to grow us to levels beyond what we ever thought possible.  In this episode of the EntrePastors podcast, Jon and Les talk with Jeremy Brown about some significant challenges he has been faced with and how he has trusted God to provide through various business endeavors.  In addition to hearing Jeremey's incredible testimony, some of the other big takeaways from this conversation are:Business is all about relationships.Often we disguise our passivity as spirituality.It's important to know what season you're in.We're confident you will find this conversation inspiring and motivating and would love to hear your feedback on what you plan to do moving forward as a result.Call to Action:  Subscribe to Voice Message Coachinghttps://www.entrepastors.com/ Guest Info/Links:Website: https://www.mylegacyacres.com/ 

As leaders and entrepreneurs, it can be easy to spend much of our time frustrated with how far we feel like we have yet to go in order to reach the goals and dreams we're pursuing.  This can lead us to a posture of impatience.  On the other end of the spectrum some would-be entrepreneurs stay stuck for far too long in passive inaction, waiting for everything to come into perfect alignment before taking any steps forward to their preferred future. In this episode of the EntrePastors podcast, Jon and Les talk to people on both sides of that tension.  They offer words of advice and encouragement for the pastor who is struggling with being patient in their current season and they also offer a much needed “kick in the pants” for the pastor who is stalled out and not moving forward and stuck in their passivity.Call to Action:  Subscribe to Voice Message Coachinghttps://www.entrepastors.com/ 

For many people getting started in business, there is a natural resistance and discomfort in promoting their services to the marketplace.  For a PASTOR who is launching a business, this can be even more of a challenge due to years in pastoral ministry dealing with scarcity thinking and the false humility that is often prevalent in a community of Christians.  In this episode of the EntrePastors podcast, Jon and Les list five tips for how to promote your products, services, and offerings to the world in a way that is healthy and helpful.  Call to Action: Join EntrePastors Business Buildershttps://www.entrepastors.com/businessbuilders 

In this episode of the EntrePastors podcast, Jon and Les bring you the inspiring story of Zach Nyhuis as he shares his multifaceted journey as a pastor, entrepreneur, and founder of Rural Pastors International.Zach's story begins with a life-changing trip to Uganda for his sister's wedding, where he met Martin Nuku and realized his dream of training rural pastors in both theological and vocational skills. This encounter led to the formation of Rural Pastors International, an organization dedicated to equipping pastors with the tools they need to avoid prosperity gospel traps and create sustainable livelihoods.We'll explore the program's impressive growth from humble beginnings under trees to a structured training facility near Jinja, Uganda, impacting up to 125 participants. Zach's mission emphasizes the importance of financial independence in ministry—a vision inspired by Francis Chan, advocating for wealth-building to support ministry efforts sustainably.In addition to his missionary efforts, Zach shares his entrepreneurial journey, from acquiring a small commercial cleaning business to scaling it into a multi-million dollar operation. Despite the challenges, he integrates his pastoral skills into his business, offering spiritual guidance and support to his employees and customers.Listen in to hear how Zach's dual roles as a pastor and business owner serve as a discipleship tool, and how his innovative approach is reshaping ministry beyond traditional church settings. Whether it's about mentoring young church members or managing a thriving business, Zach Nyhuis' story is a testament to the power of combining faith and entrepreneurship for transformative impact.Guest Info/Links:Website: https://www.ruralpastorsinternational.org/

In this episode of the EntrePastors podcast, we're diving into the world of coaching within pastoral ministry with our special guest, Dr. Barbara Ettinger. As an ordained pastor and leader within the Evangelical Covenant Church, Barbara brings a wealth of experience from her 30 years in ministry and her innovative coaching initiatives.Dr. Ettinger emphasizes how coaching can empower individuals to find clarity and direction in their paths. She shares the distinctive skills that make effective coaches, such as asking powerful questions, active listening, and generating meaningful feedback. She also delves into the vital role that education and credentials play in coaching, while also addressing the balance between formal training and practical experience.We'll learn about Dr. Ettinger's journey, the coaching culture she's helping to establish within her denomination, and the resources and strategies that can make coaching more accessible and impactful, especially for pastors. Whether you're interested in becoming a coach or seeking pastoral coaching support, this episode is packed with valuable insights and practical advice. So tune in and discover how coaching can transform lives and ministries.Guest Info/Links:Email: coaching@covchurch.com  Call to Action:Get our FREE EntrePastors Get Started Guidehttps://www.entrepastors.com/start 

In this episode of the EntrePastors Podcast Jon speaks some words of encouragement and hope to any pastor who is struggling feeling discouraged, defeated, and desperate.  In our work at EntrePastors, it's not uncommon for us to hear from pastors who are so exhausted and frustrated.  When they initially come to us we can see it in their posture and hear it in their countenance.  However, we have also seen some of those discouraged and desperate pastors get to a place of abundance and margin.  We celebrate with them as they get the “fire back in their bellies.”  In this episode, Jon will offer up seven statements that will encourage a desperate pastor and illuminate a path forward to a healthier place. Call to Action:Apply for one of our limited opening for a 30-day experience inside our Business Builders communityhttps://www.entrepastors.com/experience 

In this episode of the EntrePastors Podcast, Jon and Les talk with Joel Bromley about the business/ministry he and his wife Kaitlin are building in the arena of financial coaching.  Joel works as a full-time firefighter and Kaitlin serves on staff in their local church, but they are both passionate about helping other people not only experience financial freedom from debt, but also to be able to live and give like they never thought possible as they learn to get their financial houses in order.  Joel and Kaitlin's financial coaching is an excellent example of what it can look like to build a business down the “Information-Based Pathway” that we talk about at EntrePastors.  When you have a clear message and an audience who needs the transformation that your message can bring, you have the ability to not only serve people with your message, but also to create a stream of revenue through that service.Guest Info/Links:Website: https://www.bromleyfinancialcoaching.com/ Call to Action:Take advantage of a limited time offer to join our EntrePastors Business Builders community where you can get two months of membership for the price of one.  https://www.entrepastors.com/businessbuilders 

In this episode of the EntrePastors Podcast, Jon and Les talk with Aaron Hansz about his journey from working in the marketplace into vocational pastoral ministry. Aaron shares his unique perspective of some of the more noteworthy observations he made coming into the church world as compared to the corporate marketplace.  And while Aaron is very excited about his work as a pastor, he continues to pursue an entrepreneurial business around coaching in addition to his corporate work.  Aaron talks about how he has come to recognize how often pastors come out of the church world thinking they have very little to offer in the marketplace.  But nothing could be further from the truth.  As we say often here at EntrePastors, pastors have an incredible amount of transferable skills that are highly valuable in the marketplace.Guest Info/Links:Email: aaron@hansz.us Call to Action:Register for our upcoming workshop: 4 Steps to a Profitable Business Idea https://www.entrepastors.com/4stepsOctober 24, 2024 - 12:00 pm

Working a side hustle is no longer the exception for pastors, it's the norm. Embracing it might answer a lot of your (and your church's) needs.Karl Vaters talks with Jon Sanders about the rise in covocational pastoring and why it's something more pastors, especially small-church pastors, should take seriously. Jon is the co-host of the EntrePastors Podcast and the co-founder of EntrePastors.com (with Les Hughes).The culture around us is shifting. The idea that someone entering the workplace will get a single full-time job to pay the bills is a rarity. And the church is no exception. But, unlike the secular marketplace, we shouldn't be playing catch-up with this. We can lead.Jon and Karl talk about several important aspects of bivo/covo ministry, including:Why this is a growing needHow to make the shift without neglecting the churchThe difference between bivocational and covocationalHow to prepare your congregation for a covocational pastorateAnd more.Jon also serves as the Director of Coaching for the 95Network, a ministry that specializes in serving small to midsize churches.Podcast Links:Rural Church Rescue, with Jon Sanders (ep 024)EntrePastorsHow The Side Hustle Is Changing The Face Of Pastoring Bonus MaterialFinding a Covocational Job That Fits a Pastor's Skills and Schedule, with Jon SandersWhat marketplace jobs work well for covocational pastors?The skills you have honed as a pastor are highly desirable in the secular marketplace. But how can they be turned into a paying job that won't interfere with your pastoral calling?In the bonus conversation I talk to Jon Sanders of EntrePastors.com about how to make that transition, including several real-life examples of pastors who have made that transition well.To get Bonus Content every week, click here to become a Financial Partner, or here to subscribe to the Free Weekly Newsletter.

Jon Sanders is a trusted resource that we often glean from at 95Network. Especially, when it comes to understanding how to serve in ministry while simultaneously providing a good standard of living for your family. Jon and Les Hughes created Entrepastors with this principal at the forefront.Dale catches up with Jon on today's 95Podcast to learn more of what their experience of helping ministry leaders has shown so far. You'll enjoy Jon's honest assessment of the opportunities that are available if you only look in the right places.Show Notes: https://www.95network.org/entrepreneural-pastors-update-w-jon-sanders-episode-249/Support the show

In this episode of the EntrePastors Podcast Jon and Les celebrate the three-year anniversary of EntrePastors by each sharing some of the defining moments in their own lives which played a large role in their decisions to think and act differently as it pertains to the financial model with which they approach pastoral ministry.  They want you the listener to know just how much they can relate to the current struggle you're likely facing as a vocational pastor and to hear a genuine message of hope that a better and healthier option is available to you if you desire it.Call to Action:Get our FREE EntrePastors Get Started Guide https://www.entrepastors.com/start 

In this episode of the EntrePastors podcast, hosts Jon and Les are joined by Elaine Lankford, founder of She Steps Forward Coaching and She Steps Forward International. Elaine's incredible journey from a nursing career to empowering Christian female entrepreneurs is nothing short of remarkable. We'll dive into her personal story of transition, the unique challenges of moving from a caretaking role to entrepreneurship, and the mindset shift required to turn informal mentoring into a thriving business model.Elaine shares how her work extends beyond the four walls of the church to create a significant impact in the marketplace, likening the roles of Peter and Paul in supporting kingdom purposes. Together, we'll explore her international endeavors, including her pivotal conference in Kenya and ongoing humanitarian efforts. Elaine's passion for teaching women to 'fish rather than giving them fish' fuels her efforts to elevate and support female entrepreneurs across the globe.Join us as we discuss the church's need to embrace and support the business community and the vital role of entrepreneurship in combating poverty. Elaine also offers practical advice on launching coaching or counseling businesses, navigating financial boundaries, and empowering women to follow their God-given callings. Plus, you'll learn how you can connect with Elaine and even join her on her inspiring missions to Kenya. Don't miss this powerhouse episode that promises to spark your entrepreneurial spirit and deepen your faith journey!Guest Info/Links:Website: https://shestepsforwardcoaching.com/  Website: https://shestepsforwardinternational.org/ Call to Action:Join our free Facebook Group  https://www.facebook.com/groups/entrepastorsconnect 

In this episode of the EntrePastors podcast Jon and Les talk with Michael Shafer, co-founder and Executive Director of G6 Allies.  Not only has Michael served in pastoral ministry for his entire adult life, he has especially grown to have a heart for serving pastors.   He is keenly aware of how church leaders and their families are often overwhelmed by the brutal demands of ministry. In response to this burden, Michael and his wife Whitney launched G6 Allies which exists to provide a team and tools that help pastors achieve balanced growth in every area of life so they can be an example to their church of authentically healthy leadership.  G6 Allies offers support in several key areas for pastors, including financial development, which is one of Michael's personal specialties.  He helps pastors learn how to get into the stock market and build profitable investment portfolios.  We're happy to offer Micheal's story as another possible avenue for our audience to explore as they seek to grow new streams of income in order to better provide for their families and be less dependent upon their churches.Guest Info/Links:Website: https://www.g6allies.com/finances Email: michael@g6allies.com Call to Action:Get our free video resource:  Breaking Through Your Upper Limit Challengehttps://www.entrepastors.com/moneymindset 

In this episode of the EntrePastors podcast Jon and Les have a conversation with pastor, business coach, and leadership expert Kevin Elworth.  Kevin unpacks a powerful principle that, “Your future is designed by the questions you're willing to answer.”  Often in our lives and ministries, we find ourselves experiencing less than amazing results because we've been asking less than amazing questions.  If we learn to ask better questions we will get better answers.  Kevin offers up an example of this principle by posing the better question he began wrestling with as a pastor and that is, “where does our money/income come from?”  He shares his story of the journey he's been on to rethink the traditional model of full-time pastoring that needlessly requires a pastor to be 100% financially dependent upon a church that is not able to adequately support him and his family.  Guest Info/Links:Website: https://www.pastorsthriving.com Call to Action:Get the ‘Wisdom for Pastors from Dan Miller' course for $48https://www.entrepastors.com/wisdom 

How often have you heard the phrase, “Just have faith,” in regards to pastors and their financial situation?  In this episode of the EntrePastors podcast Jon and Les talk about this often-used cliche and some of the underlying problems with it.  Even though at first blush this advice sounds very spiritual, there are many other variables to consider when it comes to pastors and their financial wellbeing.  Should we place our faith in God for our ultimate supply and provision?  Of course!  But that's only part of the equation.  If you're a pastor who's ever felt frustrated by someone implying you should just continue on in financial lack and scarcity and simply, “just have faith,” this conversation will be an encouragement to you.Call to Action:Check out our new resource:  Wisdom for Pastors from Dan Millerhttps://www.entrepastors.com/wisdom 

In this episode of the EntrePastors Podcast Jon and Les sit down with Dawn Marasco to talk about the ministry/business she is building as she is serving others who are in need of deep healing like God has done for her.  Dawn shares her powerful story of how God met her at a place of deep pain and trauma in her past and brought healing and wholeness into her life.  Dawn is now on a mission to share the hope, freedom, and peace that only Jesus can truly give as she is growing her online platform.  Dawn is a great example of what we call the Information-Based Pathway at EntrePastors, which is where you build a business around a core message and develop one or multiple streams of income as you serve others through that message.Guest Info/Links:Website: https://www.dawnmarasco.com/ Resource GUIDE:  https://www.dawnmarasco.com/guide Email:  Dawn@DawnMarasco.comCall to Action:Get our FREE EntrePastors Get Started Guide https://www.entrepastors.com/start 

In this episode of the EntrePastors podcast Jon and Les welcome back returning guest Joshua Brown…aka “The Pressure Washing Pastor,” to wrestle with the question of whether or not pastors lack the grit to make good entrepreneurs.  Joshua unpacks some of his thoughts about how the traditional model of vocational ministry has helped to reinforce a spirit of dependency and complacency that makes it hard for some pastors to do the work of an entrepreneur.  At first glance this might not seem to be that big of a deal, but as you will hear in this conversation, when pastors become reluctant to lean into the work ethic required for entrepreneurialism, they often struggle to engage people in the marketplace as a part of their ministries. Furthermore, dependency upon a church for a pastor's complete financial wellbeing is almost a guaranteed path to staying stuck in pastoral poverty and failing to provide a more significant stream of income for their families.  Guest Info/Links:Website: https://www.pressurewashingpastor.com/ Call to Action:Reserve a limited seat for our EntrePastors Business Builders Open House on May 15, 2024 at 9:00 am CST.  Send Jon an email at jon@entrepastors.com to claim your spot.

On this episode of the EntrePastors podcast Jon and Les talk with Lori Sheldon, author of the best-selling book Change of Heart in which she writes about caring for and walking alongside her husband through his heart transplant journey.  Lori also shares the story of how God brought her into contact with Jon and Les and the role that EntrePastors played in helping Lori bring her book to life.  Lori's story serves as a great encouragement to many in our audience who feel called and inspired to get their own books out into the world.  We also celebrate the reality that business is ministry and recognize how God can use our simple business endeavors in the marketplace as strategic opportunities for some cool “God stories” to be written!Guest Info/Links:Email: lsheldon@sio.midco.net Call to Action:Reserve a limited seat for our EntrePastors Business Builders Open House on May 15, 2024 at 9:00 am CST.  Send Jon an email at jon@entrepastors.com to claim your spot.

On this episode of the EntrePastors podcast Jon Sanders and Les Hughes welcome guest Joseph Bennett, who shares his journey from the medical field to full-time ministry on a foreign mission field, and then from life in Honduras to returning to the United States where he now balances serving a pastor along with running a commercial cleaning business. In this conversation you will hear them dive into the themes of investing in people, recognizing opportunities for income, and why Joseph is not looking to scale his businesses in this current season. Joseph's story illustrates the intersection of ministry and entrepreneurship as he leverages his business for community service and uses it to support his church and family while embracing the roles of pastor and business owner.Guest Info/Links:Email: joseph.bennett1180@gmail.com Call to Action:Join EntrePastors Business Buildershttps://www.entrepastors.com/businessbuilders 

In this episode of the EntrePastors podcast, Jon and Les talk with Ray Hilbert, founder of The Kingdom Factor, about the integration of faith and business. Ray shares the journey of his career and how he has navigated the challenges of aligning Christian values in corporate environments. Ray, Jon, and Les examine the American church's historical devaluation of business in favor of vocational ministry, emphasizing a kingdom mindset in workplace interactions. Ray shares how the Kingdom Factor is guiding marketplace leaders through local peer advisory groups. He advises ministry-minded individuals to follow God's calling with a passion-aligned, value-driven approach to entering the marketplace. His insights offer a profound perspective on leading with faith in business.Guest Info/Links:Website:  https://kingdomfactor.us/ Email: rhilbert@kingdomfactor.us Call to Action:Apply for one of our limited opening for a 30-day experience inside our Business Builders communityhttps://www.entrepastors.com/experience 

In this episode of the EntrePastors podcast Ryan Follis shares the story of his amazing transition journey from a corporate role with Target in which he honed significant skills in leadership and business acumen into the world of pastoral ministry.  Ryan unpacks some of the struggles and frustrations he experienced as he made that transition and how churches and pastors can benefit by learning and applying business principles in such a way as to bless their families, the churches they lead, and the communities they serve.  In addition to serving well in pastoral ministry, Ryan also now serves as the Lead Program Developer for the CEO (Creating Entrepreneurial Opportunities) program of the Midland Institute for Entrepreneurship that is inspiring and developing a new generation of entrepreneurs in highschools across the nation.  Guest Info/Links:Website:  https://www.midlandinstitute.com/ Email: rfollis@midlandinstitute.comCall to Action:Register for our upcoming webinar - Conquering Pastoral Povertyhttps://www.entrepastors.com/conquer 

In this episode of the EntrePastors podcast we welcome Scott Tharp, a bi-vocational pastor and financial coach, who shares his transformative journey from pastoral ministry to founding his business, Krisco Coaching. Motivated by personal financial triumphs and biblical principles, Scott now aids individuals in conquering financial difficulties, championing the importance of mindset in realizing one's earning potential. In this conversation Scott, Jon, and Les delve into the stigmas and challenges pastors face regarding personal wealth. They explore how coaching can empower pastors to diversify income streams and achieve greater financial security, all while juggling the demands of their sacred vocation.Guest Info/Links:https://www.kriscocoaching.com/entrepastors Call to Action:Register for our upcoming webinar - Conquering Pastoral Povertyhttps://www.entrepastors.com/conquer 

In this inspiring episode of the EntrePastors podcast, Jon and Les talk with Aisha “Wonderful” Jackson as she shares her transformative journey from corporate CFO to self-published author and entrepreneur. Facing tech barriers and self-doubt, Aisha embraced coaching, applied crucial business strategies, and underwent a profound spiritual realignment. She speaks candidly about her Caribbean roots, personal challenges, and the pivotal moment of pursuing her true calling. Through Aisha's story, you will hear the parallel struggles many pastors face as it pertains to believing God for more, reinventing their identity and the way they choose to show up in the world, and becoming comfortable charging others for the value they are delivering in the marketplace. Guest Info/Links:https://aishawonderfull.com/ https://aretemediainternational.com/ Call to Action:Register for our upcoming webinar - Conquering Pastoral Povertyhttps://www.entrepastors.com/conquer 

In this episode of the EntrePastors podcast Jon and Les talk with Scott Benham, founder of the Intreprenuer Academy.  Scott is on a mission to help people realize their giftings and talents to show up in the marketplace as key “intreprenuers” within growing organizations.  He explains that people with an intrepreneurial mindset are similar to entrepreneurs, but instead of focusing outside of an organization, they bring their skillset to bear from within the organizations they serve.  Rather than being “pigeonholed” into one lane or label within an organization, a true intrepreneur will expand their influence and value to make a bigger impact within and for the company.  This conversation will be a great inspiration to those who are energized at the thought of breaking free from typical employment scenarios, but who also are unsure about bootstrapping their own business from the ground up. Guest Info/Links:Website: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1209458836334468 Call to Action:Download our free Business Builders Checklist https://www.entrepastors.com/checklist 

In this episode of the EntrePastors podcast Jon talks with Chaz Freutel, a 'kingdompreneur,' and Director of the NOBLE Foundation Group (Network of Business and Entrepreneurial Leaders) about integrating entrepreneurship with Christianity. He encourages churches to make better use of underutilized spaces by creating entrepreneur centers and supporting their members in starting businesses. Through NOBLE, Chaz fosters a community of business leaders providing mentorship, resources, and support, including a NOBLE Academy to help launch businesses. Despite resistance from churches hesitant about embracing business practices, Chaz highlights the benefits of such integration for church growth, community strengthening, and financial support. Chaz shares NOBLE's aims to expand globally, fueled by a prophetic vision and collaborative partnerships.Guest Info/Links:Website: https://www.thenoblewisdom.com/ Call to Action:Register for our upcoming webinar:  How To Create a Purposeful and Profitable Life Celebrations Ministryhttps://www.entrepastors.com/celebrate 

In this episode of the EntrePastors podcast Jon and Les talk with guest Carl Cox about embracing marketplace opportunities for ministry. Carl shares his experience of expanding his ministry beyond traditional church walls and building relationships with diverse groups, including businesses, sports teams and first responders agencies. He emphasizes the value of engaging in marketplace ministry and discusses the development of his brand as "The Bearded Chaplain." We are confident that for many pastors, serving as a chaplain in a marketplace context is a natural fit that not only utilizes pastoral skill sets, but can also provide a very profitable stream of income.Guest Info/Links:Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/CarlCoxD2D Call to Action:Register for our upcoming webinar:  How To Create a Purposeful and Profitable Life Celebrations Ministryhttps://www.entrepastors.com/celebrate 

What is the most important key to a successful business?  Some might argue it is a great product or service.  Others might say it is having a smart and savvy entrepreneur at the helm.  Still others might suggest that it is a stellar marketing plan.  While all of these elements are critical to the success of any great business, the most important key is often overlooked.On this episode of the EntrePastors podcast, Jon talks with guest Mauri Rene about her take on this subject.  Marui is the author of “Making God #1 in Your Business.”  In her best selling book she drills down to the true purpose of any business.  She clarifies why some business owners stress out until they burn out while others are finding a place of peace and joy in their work.  For these wise entrepreneurs, they understand that they are not truly the owner of their business…God is!  Mauri shares how when God is placed in the number one position, any business can be a source of life-giving service to the business owner, the people it employs, and the customers it serves.  Guest Info/Links:Website: https://maurirene.com/ Call to Action:Register for our Business Builders Bootcamp LIVE event - March 8, 2024https://www.entrepastors.com/live 

In this episode of the EntrePastors podcast Jon and Les talk with Dr. David Powers about a platform he helps oversee called Passive Income Engines.  David loves to see people develop streams of passive income through various activities that capitalize on their skills and passions.  His true desire is to see people not only thrive financially, but to gain time freedom in order to serve the kingdom to their full potential as well as having abundance with which to share with others. Call to Action:Register for our upcoming LIVE event on March 8, 2024. https://www.entrepastors.com/live Guest Info/Links:Website: https://passiveincomeengines.com/entrepastors 

In this episode of the EntrePastors podcast Jon and Les talk with Jeff Elder about his life's journey of surrendering to God's calling into the ministry of business.  Like many others, when Jeff was younger and desired to serve God with his life, he thought the obvious way to do that was through working as a pastor.  However, God clearly intervened and showed Jeff that business was the ministry that he was calling him to step into.  Jeff now oversees a platform called Business God's Way in which he helps others launch and grow their own businesses in a way that serves people and honors the Lord.Call to Action:EntrePastors Get Started Guide https://www.entrepastors.com/start Guest Info/Links:Website: https://www.dobusinessgodsway.com/

In this episode of the EntrePastors podcast Jon and Les talk with guest Chris Orecchio about his role as Director of Business Development with ACTION Coach in Columbus, Ohio.  In our conversation Chris shares the importance and advantages of leaning into kingdom principles in building and growing a business in the marketplace.  Guest Info/Links:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/christopher-orecchio-70a63658/ 

In this episode of the EntrePastors podcast Jon and Les talk with guest Robert Grice about his side hustle of counseling that not only compliments his pastoral ministry, but also provides an additional stream of income for his family.  Robert shares how he got into the specific niche of grief counseling and how that has opened doors for ministry beyond his normal work inside the church.Call to Action:Register for our upcoming LIVE event on March 8, 2024. https://www.entrepastors.com/live 

In this “Saturday Replay” edition of the EntrePastors podcast, we are going all the way back to the very beginning of our EntrePastors platform.  In this episode you will hear Jon and Les share a little bit about their own personal journeys and the story of how they came together to serve pastors through this new endeavor.  In doing so, you will also hear them really unpack the vision and heart that drives the mission and message of EntrePastors.

In this episode of the EntrePastors podcast Jon and Les talk with guest Josh Vidor about his life growing up in serious poverty in the home of a pastor's family.  While Josh's experience as a youth didn't drive him to a place of bitterness toward the Lord, it did have a tremendous impact on shaping his resolve that life would look different for him when he was old enough to earn money for himself.  At an early age Josh learned to see entrepreneurialism as a means to build wealth and avoid the struggles of poverty that he experienced growing up.  In our conversation, Josh shares truth and wisdom that challenge the common thinking among so many Christians today that glorifies poverty as an acceptable and even desirable status to settle for.Guest Info/Links:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/josh-vidor-7a32898/ Call to Action:Register for our Business Builders Bootcamp LIVE event - March 8, 2024https://www.entrepastors.com/live 

In this "Saturday Replay" addition of the EntrePastors podcast, Jon and Les speak to the pastor who has come to the conclusion that the extra income from a side-hustle would be great, but they have no idea where or how to get started.  Generally we find people in this space dealing with two different issues:On one hand, we see the common “problem” of someone having so many ideas they're struggling to choose the “right” one.  On the other hand we work with pastors that truly have no idea what steps to take first or what direction to move on their EntrePastors journey.  Regardless of which of these categories you consider yourself to be in, this episode is going to help you get moving.  In the show Jon and Les discuss:What is the true definition of success?What is the true definition of failure?What practical steps can you take to get your ideas out on paper, choose a path, and take action?Call to Action:Register for our Business Builders Bootcamp LIVE event - March 8, 2024https://www.entrepastors.com/live 

In this episode of the EntrePastors podcast Jon and Les talk with pastor turned “purpose dealer,” Mark Delaney.  Mark shares his journey of struggling with fulfilling his pastoral calling and feeling like a failure. He discusses the limitations of the church worldview and emphasizes the importance of a broader, more impactful vision for both pastors and congregants. We explore the idea of ministry extending beyond traditional church roles and delve into the significance of finding purpose in our work. Delaney's transformative experiences shed light on the pressures and expectations placed on pastors and the liberating message of living boldly in all occupations. The conversation challenges traditional measures of success and inspires a shift in mindset towards purpose-driven living.Guest Info/Links:Website: https://markdelaney.com/ Call to Action:Register for our Business Builders Bootcamp LIVE event - March 8, 2024https://www.entrepastors.com/live 

In this “Saturday Replay” addition of the EntrePastors podcast, we are reaching way back to one of our very first (and also most popular) episodes in which Jon and Les share four different profiles of people who will benefit from the EntrePastors message.  In other words, who is this podcast for?Pastors who want to start, own, and operate a business in addition to leading a church.Pastors who want to add one or more streams of revenue to their income.Pastors who want to transition out of traditional ministry and into a new season of life.People with a desire to be in ministry, but are not currently “employed” by a church.

In this episode of the EntrePastors podcast Jon and Les talk with guest Rick Craig about his journey from church pastor to author and end-of-life planning consultant. Rick shares how he sought guidance through prayer, transitioned to a new ministry assignment, and actively pursued different income opportunities. He emphasizes the importance of end-of-life planning and conversations about faith, using his business skills to serve others. Rick's experience, from forming prayer teams to finding fulfillment in his new role, provides inspiration and valuable insights for pastors and individuals navigating ministry and life changes. His story highlights the importance of seeking guidance, embracing change, and finding purpose in our work.Guest Info/Links:Email: pastorrickcraig@gmail.com Website:https://whenitstime.org/ Call to Action:Register for our Business Builders Bootcamp LIVE event - March 8, 2024https://www.entrepastors.com/live 

In this episode of the EntrePastors podcast Jon and Les sit down with Trent Booth for a discussion about impacting the lives of others through a coaching business.  Trent shares insights on the transition of pastors to coaching, spotlighting the skills and curiosity that make pastors well-suited for coaching roles. The conversation delves into the challenges and opportunities associated with full-time ministry, emphasizing the value of mentors and the potential for pastors to impact lives beyond traditional church settings. Trent offers practical advice for pastors looking to enter the coaching marketplace, stressing the importance of sales training and appropriately pricing their services. Guest Info/Links:Website:https://www.veritasleadershipgroup.org/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/trentbooth/ Call to Action:Register for our Business Builders Bootcamp LIVE event - March 8, 2024https://www.entrepastors.com/live 

In this episode of the EntrePastors podcast, Jon talks about how to avoid a subtle and often overlooked form of arrogance that can creep into our hearts and minds as pastors.  It's the notion that the work we do in pastoral ministry is somehow a step or two above everyone else because afterall, it's ministry…it's eternal…it's for the Lord.  This flawed mindset is the result of a faulty paradigm that seeks to distinguish between the “sacred” and the “secular” arenas of life.  And since our work is “sacred,” our callings are just a little more important than the work everyone else is called to do.  It's this mindset that often poses a real challenge for pastors to engage in marketplace activities because it's somehow a move away from their “sacred” work.  The best way to avoid this  trap is to recognize that it's ALL sacred and that business can be just as valid and effective ministry as church work can be.

In this “Saturday Replay” episode of the EntrePastors podcast, Jon and Les speak directly to those who sit on boards and leadership teams in churches all across the nation.  Unfortunately, in many instances, pastors feel as though their potential to engage in some kind of marketplace ministry will be directly opposed by their boards.  Jon and Les have some words of admonition and encouragement for church boards and make a strong case for why it's a “win-win” scenario for a pastor to be granted the freedom to launch a side-hustle in addition to serving in their pastoral role.  Here are some of the big ideas Jon and Les share in this episode:The traditional model of the “full-time pastoral ministry” is taking pastors out of the ministry faster than we are replacing them.You likely have unrealistic expectations of your pastor!Your church will benefit when your pastor is not hurting financially.Both your pastor AND your church will benefit by having your pastor in the marketplace.Your church members will not be able to sit back and assume the pastor is the primary ministry provider.  They will need to get off the bench and into the game.Your church will be able to identify and overcome any unrealistic and unbiblical expectations that have been placed upon their “full-time” pastor.Your pastor will be less hesitant to preach boldly, lead innovatively, and confront problems in the church.Your pastor will not have a low ceiling for their earning potential. Your pastor can avoid the trap of their church ministry becoming a one-dimensional, all-consuming identity.

In this episode of the EntrePastors podcast, Les Hughes and Jon Sanders welcome weight loss coaches Alan and Angie Thomas to share their transformative health journey. The couple discusses the impact of obesity in the church and their unique coaching approach, emphasizing long-term transformations and individuals taking responsibility for their health. They highlight the value of coaching and overcoming self-doubt, sharing inspiring success stories. The episode encourages listeners to invest in coaching, embrace imperfection, and prioritize personal growth.Guest Info/Links:Website:https://transformmyfuture.com/entrepastors Call to Action:Sign up to take part in our 30-Day Business Builders Experience.  Send an email to jon@entrepastors.com to reserve one of our limited spots available.

For this “Saturday Replay” episode of the EntrePastors podcast we are reaching back to an interview Jon and Les did with David Hancock.  David is the Founder and CEO of Morgan James Publishing.  We discuss the benefits that can be realized when a pastor writes and publishes a book of their own.  David shares some helpful tips on how pastors can build, write, publish, and sell their books.  In addition, we make an awesome announcement as we introduce EntrePastors Press to the world!  EntrePastors Press will be an imprint of Morgan James Publishing.  In the days to come we will be sharing even more details on how pastors can have their books published through EntrePastors Press!Guest Info/Links:Email: david@morganjamespublishing.comCall to Action:Tell us about the book idea you're thinking about!https://www.entrepastors.com/book 

On a recent episode of the EntrePastors podcast, we featured an interview with John D. Hanson about why he believes we are on a collision course for a global depression in the not-too-distant future and what God's people can be doing right now to be in a position to thrive and help others in the coming days.  In this 4-part mini series, we are going to dive deeper into the conversation as John shares some key areas we need to be thinking through and preparing for.  In this final episode, John talks about the issues of food, water, fuel, and transportation as some other important elements to be considered in the event of a global depression.Guest Info/Links:Website: https://www.johndhanson.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-d-hanson-heroic-success/ 

On a recent episode of the EntrePastors podcast, we featured an interview with John D. Hanson about why he believes we are on a collision course for a global depression in the not-too-distant future and what God's people can be doing right now to be in a position to thrive and help others in the coming days.  In this 4-part mini series, we are going to dive deeper into the conversation as John shares some key areas we need to be thinking through and preparing for.  In this episode, John talks about how a global depression is likely to impact churches and schools and how we as pastors need to be planning accordingly.  Guest Info/Links:Website: https://www.johndhanson.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-d-hanson-heroic-success/ 

On a recent episode of the EntrePastors podcast, we featured an interview with John D. Hanson about why he believes we are on a collision course for a global depression in the not-too-distant future and what God's people can be doing right now to be in a position to thrive and help others in the coming days.  In this 4-part mini series, we are going to dive deeper into the conversation as John shares some key areas we need to be thinking through and preparing for.  In this episode, John talks about some critical things to prepare for in regards to our housing situations in the event of a global depression and the fallout that would come as a result.Guest Info/Links:Website: https://www.johndhanson.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-d-hanson-heroic-success/ 

On a recent episode of the EntrePastors podcast, we featured an interview with John D. Hanson about why he believes we are on a collision course for a global depression in the not-too-distant future and what God's people can be doing right now to be in a position to thrive and help others in the coming days.  In this 4-part mini series, we are going to dive deeper into the conversation as John shares some key areas we need to be thinking through and preparing for.  In this episode, John is going to unpack what he calls “depression-resistant” sources of income pastors may want to consider as the traditional model of being fully funded by the charitable donations of others will likely be significantly challenged in the days ahead.Guest Info/Links:Website: https://www.johndhanson.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-d-hanson-heroic-success/ 

Firefighter/EMT and Co-Founder of EntrePastors.  Jon Sanders  joins Joseph to talk about prosperity gospel versus poverty mindset. Which is worse?  LINKS EntrePastors.com  SUBSCRIBE  First100K.com  SHREDDED FATHERS™ Shredded Dad: Ripped And Fit After 40™  Do you have a brotherhood of growth-minded men to help you weaponize your body, build mental toughness, and become an epic husband, father, and businessman? Apply at:  ShreddedFathers.com  Music: Purple-Planet.com