More Than a Pastor

Does the idea of increasing your income ever make you feel uneasy, conflicted, or even guilty? What if, instead, you saw it as an act of faith, stewardship, and obedience to God's calling?Today we're going to demystify wealth creation for pastors by exploring King Solomon's wisdom to “Know the condition of your flocks,” found in Proverbs 27:23-27.What does this ancient principle mean for pastors and churches today? We'll discuss it in this episode of the More Than a Pastor Show. Let's get started.Links for Today's ShowBlog Post/Show Notes for this EpisodeWatch the YouTube Video of this EpisodeHow Pastors Can Grow Giving in Their Church: 3 Lessons to Learn from NonprofitsShow Your Support and Buy Me a CoffeeGot feedback on this episode? What other topics should I cover on the show? Email me at rich@morethanapastor.com.

Does the offering moment in your church service feel a little stale or like a routine you just go through each week? What if it could be transformed into one of the most powerful parts of your service? We'll share 3 ways to make offering moments matter more on this episode of the More Than a Pastor Show. Links for Today's ShowBlog Post/Show Notes for this EpisodeWatch the YouTube Video of this EpisodeHow Pastors Can Grow Giving in Their Church: 3 Lessons to Learn from Nonprofits

It's Dr. Martin Luther King Day, and I'm reminded of the incredible power of a dream. Dr. King's life proves that one dream can transform lives, communities, and even nations. So, what about you? Do you have a dream inside you that's big enough to change your world? And what lessons we can learn from Dr. King's example about nurturing and pursuing our dreams? We'll talk about that in this episode of the More Than a Pastor Show. Links for Today's ShowBlog Post/Show Notes for this EpisodeWatch the YouTube Video of this EpisodeFree Discovery CallHow Pastors Can Create Passive Income Through Online Platforms

The term "passive income" gets thrown around a lot these days. From multi-level marketing schemes to starting small businesses, many things claim to be passive income but don't quite fit the bill. So what is passive income? Why should pastors create their own passive income streams? And what are some of the best ways pastors can create passive income? We'll talk about it in this episode of the More Than a Pastor show. Links for Today's ShowWatch the YouTube Video of this EpisodeBuy Me a CoffeeLike us on Facebook

Are you tired of spinning your wheels trying to build an online platform with little to no results? Trust me, I've been there. After years of trying to figure it out on my own, I finally found the clear roadmap, expert mentorship, and supportive community I needed to help me turn my ideas into real progress. And I found it all in Platform Launchers, hosted by John Stange. If you've ever wondered whether joining Platform Launchers is worth it, I've got all the details you need to decide here in this episode of the More Than a Pastor Show. Let's get started! Links for Today's Show: Get a Free 30 Day Trial to Platform Launchers Blog Post/Show Notes for this EpisodeBuy us a Coffee and Support the Show

Did you know you're probably just a few phone calls away from putting an extra $500-$1,000 or more in your pocket? All it takes is a couple of minutes and a little courage to call and negotiate or shop your bills like your insurance, credit card, TV, phone, and other subscriptions. We'll explore the why and how in this episode of the More Than a Pastor Show.Links for Today's ShowGet the Blog Post/Show Notes for this EpisodeWatch the YouTube Video of this EpisodeBuy Me a CoffeeLike us on Facebook

Is buying a home even an option for pastors anymore? With home prices soaring 50% over the last five years and salaries not keeping up, the dream of home ownership is slipping further out of reach. Today, we'll break down why owning a home is harder than ever for pastors and how some are finding creative ways to make it work. Links for Today's ShowWatch the YouTube Video of this episodeLike My Show and Want to Support it? Buy Me a Coffee Free PDF Download: How to Know if Starting a Business is Right for YouBuy Me a Coffee?Want to show your support for the show and the content I'm creating to help pastors, missionaries, and other ministry leaders? Now you can through a crowdfunding site called Buy Me a Coffee! You can go to www.buymeacoffee.com/richavery and give $5 to buy me one cup of coffee, $10 to buy me two cups, or give any amount you'd like. Your gift will be a huge blessing and encouragement to me and help me cover the costs associated with hosting the website, podcast, and more. Thanks for your support!

Are you a pastor looking for practical ways to grow giving in your church and engage those who rarely give or don't give at all? You're in the right place! In this post, I'll share three powerful lessons pastors can learn from successful nonprofits—insights that can help you inspire generosity, build trust, and foster a culture of giving in your congregation.Links for Today's ShowBlog Post/Show Notes for this episodeWatch the YouTube Video of this episodeLike My Show and Want to Support it? Buy Me a Coffee Free PDF Download: How to Know if Starting a Business is Right for You

Are you a pastor thinking about starting your own business or side hustle to supplement - or even replace - your current ministry income, but you're not really sure if entrepreneurship is right for you? Launching your own online message-based platform, a service-based business, or even a brick-and-mortar store, can be a fulfilling adventure that creates financial security for your family. And while it's never been easier to launch your own business, being your own boss definitely isn't for everyone. So how do you know if starting a business or side hustle is right for you?In today's episode we share 12 signs or traits that starting a business may be right for you!Links for Today's ShowBlog Post/Show Notes for this episodeWatch the YouTube Video of this episodeLike My Show and Want to Support it? Buy Me a Coffee Free PDF Download: How to Know if Starting a Business is Right for You

Are you interested in starting a business to provide more income for your family, but you just don't know how you could possibly find the time to do it as a full-time pastor?Well I believe it really is possible, and we'll talk about how to find the time to start a business or achieve any goal this year - in as little as 7 or 15 hours a week - on this episode of the More Than a Pastor Show.Links for Today's ShowWatch the YouTube Video of this episodeGet the Blog Post/Show Notes for this episodeLike My Show and Want to Support it? Buy Me a Coffee  

I know those big name pastors can turn their sermons into books and sell tons of copies. But can any pastor do that, and actually make money as an author? Missionary and author Danny Davis says yes you can! And he'll share his pathway to profits as a self-published author, while serving as a missionary in East Africa, in this episode of the More Than a Pastor Show.Links for Today's ShowDanny Davis' New Book: The Way of the Shepherd: From Anxiety to Assurance: Embracing the Timeless Wisdom of Psalm 23Danny Davis' Website: www.equippedservant.comLike My Show and Want to Support it? Buy Me a Coffee 

Is it really possible for pastors to create income outside the church - even if you're a missionary serving in East Africa? We'll talk about that with special guest Dr. Danny Davis, and we'll discuss his new book, The Way of the Shepherd: From Anxiety to Assurance: Embracing the Timeless Wisdom of Psalm 23, in this episode of the More Than a Pastor Show.In this conversation...Danny and I talk about his 30+ years in ministry as a pastor, church planter, missionary, and equipper, and how he began to leverage his ministry experience into books and other resources that inspire and bless others and generate multiple streams of income.I also ask Danny why he feels strongly about pastors creating income outside the church. His answer might surprise you.He takes us into the backstory behind his new book, The Way of the Shepherd: From Anxiety to Assurance: Embracing the Timeless Wisdom of Psalm 23. And we explore why the message of Psalm 23 is needed in the church, and in our world, now more than ever.And FYI, in the next episode, part 2 of our conversation, Danny shares valuable insights he's learned on his journey as a self-published author, and how any pastor can create sustainable income as writer. You won't want to miss it!Links for Today's ShowDanny Davis' New Book: The Way of the Shepherd: From Anxiety to Assurance: Embracing the Timeless Wisdom of Psalm 23Danny Davis' Website: www.equippedservant.comPlatform Launchers: Online Business BlueprintLike My Show and Want to Support it? Buy Me a Coffee

How does your view of spiritual gifts - and what they're really for - impact your health and longevity as a pastor, especially if you're co-vocational, and help your church become more sustainable in accomplishing the mission God has given it? We'll talk about that with special guest Chase Rashad in this episode of the More Than a Pastor Show.Links for Today's ShowBlog post/show notes for this episode with Chase RashadChase Rashad's Book: Seamless: What Your Spiritual Gifts are Really ForChase Rashad's Website: www.UnisonGR.comWant to Support the Show? Buy Me a CoffeeI'm so excited to have my friend Chase Rashad on the show today. Chase and I served together back about 10 years ago with Kentwood Community Church, a large multi-ethnic church located in suburban Grand Rapids, Michigan. In 2013 we had the privilege of launching the church's first multi-site campus.Two years later, in 2015, Chase went on to launch Unison Christian Church, a multi-ethnic church in urban Grand Rapids. In addition to serving as lead pastor at Unison, Chase is a gifted musician as well as a racial equity coach for many schools, churches, and businesses. In this conversation...Chase and I talk about planting churches in a multi-ethnic context.I ask Chase about his journey as a co-vocational pastor, including a question he's never been asked or thought about before.And we discuss his new book, Seamless: What Your Spiritual Gifts are Really For, exploring the background on why he wrote the book (his answer may surprise you), what the church has often gotten wrong about spiritual gifts, and how a proper understanding of spiritual gifts is needed today more than ever amidst a rapidly changing church landscape.And lots more!And now let's get to our conversation with Chase Rashad.

Is John Wesley's Encouragement to “Make all you can, Save all you can, and Give all you can” Good Advice for Pastors Today? We'll talk about that in this episode of the More Than a Pastor Show. Let's get started!Hello my friend. Welcome to the More Than a Pastor Show. I'm Rich Avery, your host. This is the show where we help pastors, missionaries, and other ministry leaders grow your income and build financial security.We help you take your skills, experience, and ministry know-how and leverage them into sustainable income outside of the church, through a business or side hustle that's right for you. So you can serve God and provide for your family, no matter what. Links for Today's ShowBlog Post for This Episode: Episode 68My Last Post: How God Can Turn Income Obstacles into Boundless Opportunities Want to Support the Show? Buy Me a Coffee

If your church or ministry could no longer afford to pay your salary, and you had to find a way to earn income outside the church, would that feel like a major disappointment and personal failure to you? What if, instead, it's a God-ordained opportunity to use your skills in new ways to impact people you wouldn't otherwise meet and provide a financial blessing for your family?Today we'll hear Wayne Richards' story of how he experienced a 70% decrease in income and how God transformed that loss into amazing new ministry and financial opportunities. And we'll learn how Wayne helps churches and ministries raise funds for missionaries and ministry projects through buying, renovating, and flipping houses, in this episode of the More Than a Pastor Show. Let's get started.Hello my friend. Welcome to the More Than a Pastor Show. I'm Rich Avery, your host. This is the show where we help pastors, missionaries, and other ministry leaders grow your income and build financial security. We help you take your skills, experience, and ministry know-how and leverage them into sustainable income outside of the church, through a business or side hustle that's right for you. So you can serve God and provide for your family, no matter what.Get the blog post/show notes at www.morethanapastor.com/67

42% of pastors in full-time ministry considered quitting in the past year, according to a 2022 Barna report. Are you one of them? What if, instead, you could find meaningful ways to create more freedom and fulfillment in your life and ministry? We'll explore how, and pay tribute to my friend and mentor Dan Miller who helped many pastors do just that, in this episode of the More Than a Pastor Show. Let's get started!Hello my friend. Welcome to the More Than a Pastor Show. I'm Rich Avery, your host. This is the show where we help pastors, missionaries, and other ministry leaders grow your income and build financial security. We help you take your skills, experience, and ministry know-how and leverage them into sustainable income outside of the church, through a business or side hustle that's right for you. So you can serve God and provide for your family, no matter what. Thanks for joining me today, I really appreciate the time we can spend together. And If you're new to the show, you can learn more about me, get the show notes for today's episode, and download some free resources to help you grow your income and build financial security over at my website: www. morethanapastor.com/66 for episode 66.

What if God asked you to give away your age as a percentage of income, and continue to increase it 1% a year for the rest of your life...what would you do?  Today we'll hear the amazing story of one couple's journey of radical generosity and lessons you can learn to inspire generosity in your church. In this episode of the More Than a Pastor Show.  Let's get started!Links From Today's ShowGet the Blog Post/Show Notes from Today's EpisodeBob's Website: Seedtime.comFree Access to "True Financial Freedom"My Latest Post: Ben Ingebretson on How to Plant Like JesusWant to Support the Show? Buy Me a Coffee!

There is no shortage of tools, methods or strategies for church planting and growth. But what if the best strategy for sharing the message of Jesus in a post-Christian era is to actually follow the methods of Jesus?We'll dive into Jesus' methods for missional ministry and marketplace engagement with our guest Ben Ingebretson, author of Plant Like Jesus: The Church Planter's Devotional, in this episode of the More than a Pastor Show. Let's get started!Links for Today's ShowShow Notes/Blog Post for This EpisodeBen's Website: BING ConsultingMy Latest Post on Pastoral Identity and the Future of MinistryWant to Support the Show? Buy Me a Coffee!Wondering How You Could Future-Proof Your Church Finances?Feeling the weight of financial concerns for your church? Wondering how you could ignite a culture of generosity in your congregation? Feeling like it's time to explore alternative revenue options? Know that you're not alone! We're here to support you every step of the way.We're offering individual and group coaching programs to help you unlock the strategies that are right for you and your church, so you can diversify your revenue streams, foster a growing culture of generosity, and navigate today's church funding challenges with confidence.Don't let financial challenges hinder your ministry's impact or jeopardize your personal livelihood. Take the first step towards financial resilience and sustainability today, and book your free 30-minute strategy session.

 What happens to your sense of identity and calling as a pastor when everything changes? You entered the ministry years ago with a certain set of expectations of what the church is and what your role is in it, only to find them challenged by continually changing circumstances.We'll talk about pastoral identity and the future of ministry, and how you can stay adaptable and on-mission in the midst of change, in this episode of the More than a Pastor Show. Let's get started!Links for Today's ShowGary Underwood's "Hoops and Cards" PodcastEmerge Counseling MinistriesMy Latest Post on the Best Way to Make Money Quickly: Provide a Service of ValueWant to Support the Show? Buy Me a Coffee!

We are living in an era called "The Great Dechurching" of America. Millions are leaving churches each year, for various reasons which we've covered in previous episodes. Since attendance has been inextricably linked to income for most churches, it's not a stretch to see how "The Great Dechurching" of America will inevitably lead to "The Great Defunding" of the church. The math is simple: Declining attendance + declining giving + rising expenses due to inflation = an unsustainable situation for many churches. Probably even yours. And maybe you're wondering...In the midst of all this uncertainty...Is there anything pastors can do to revitalize your church's finances and future-proof your own personal income? I believe the answer to that question is Yes! And in this episode of The More Than a Pastor Show, we'll explore strategies to help pastors grow your income and secure your financial future - both inside and outside the church.Links for Today's ShowBlog Post for this Episode: https://www.morethanapastor.com/blog/from-crisis-to-sustainability-revitalizing-church-finances-in-the-great-dechurching-eraWatch this Episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/d1g-Rp7tLDEFree PDF: How to Know if Starting a Business is Right for YouWant to Support the Show? Buy Me a Coffee

Are you looking for the best way to make money quickly? Well you're going to love today's show, because I'll share 6 reasons why providing a service that solves a problem for someone else is one of the fastest and best ways to generate income. And I'll share practical steps you can take to get started today. That's all coming up in this edition of the More Than a Pastor show. Let's get started!Links for Today's ShowBlog Post/Show Notes for this Episode: The Best Way to Make Money QuicklyWatch this Episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/YZuwVvuQmxAFree PDF: How to Know if Starting a Business is Right for YouMy Last Post: How to Find the Time to Launch Your Own Business or Side HustleWant to Support the Show? Buy Me a CoffeeSupport the showFind us online at www.morethanapastor.com.

Deciding that you want or need to earn extra money as a pastor is one thing. But finding the time to do it, in addition to your regular ministry position, can be a challenge!So how can you find the time to launch your own business or side hustle? And is it really possible to build your dream business in just 15 hours a week, or even less? We'll talk about that in this episode of the More Than a Pastor Show. Let's get started!4 Keys to Success in Starting Your Own BusinessIf you're a pastor thinking about starting a business or side hustle, I believe there are 4 keys to success that will help you start strong and stay motivated in your ministry work and your entrepreneurial journey. I've put them all together a free PDF aptly called the Four Keys to Success in Starting Your Own Business.I'd love to give you a free copy, so you can avoid some of the common pitfalls that trip people up as they're starting something on the side. Download your copy today at www.morethanapastor.com/keys. Links for Today's ShowGet the Blog Post/Show Notes for this Episode: How to Find the Time to Launch Your Own Business or Side HustleWatch this Episode on YouTube:  https://youtu.be/GChGyeVYNWwFree PDF: Four Keys to Success in Starting Your Own BusinessMy Last Post: Greg Atkinson on the Secret Power of Kindness, Entrepreneurship, and the Future of the ChurchWant to Support the Show? Buy Me a CoffeeDeciding to pursue a business or side hustle is an exciting step toward earning extra income. However, finding the time to launch and grow your venture alongside your regular job can be challenging.In this episode, we will discuss practical strategies to help you find time and use it effectively to make progress on your entrepreneurial goals.I believe that by optimizing your schedule and making conscious choices, you can find the time you need to build your dream business, even if it's just 5 or 10 or 15 hours a week.Support the showFind us online at www.morethanapastor.com.

Will the 21st century pastor look more like the co-vocational tentmaker of the 1st century church than the full-time pastor of the 20th century?Church leadership expert Greg Atkinson says YES, and shares several reasons why pastors and churches need to embrace entrepreneurship now, in this episode of the More Than a Pastor Show.  Links for Today's ShowWatch this Episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/fHzhlTTCIJAGet the Blog Post/Show Notes: https://www.morethanapastor.com/blog/greg-atkinson-on-the-secret-power-of-kindness-entrepreneurship-and-the-future-of-the-churchGreg Atkinson's Website: www.gregatkinson.comEmail Greg: greg@gregatkinson.comGet Greg's New Book The Secret Power of Kindness: https://amzn.to/3OyUl3MFree PDF: How to Know if Starting a Business is Right for YouMy Last Post: Burned Out Pastors: Don't Quit, Give Yourself a Reset InsteadWant to Support the Show? Buy Me a CoffeeIntroducing Greg AtkinsonI'm excited to have Greg Atkinson join us on the show today. Greg has been in ministry for nearly 30 years.He is an entrepreneur, bestselling author, speaker, leadership and life coach, and consultant. He has worked with churches of all stages and sizes, including some of the largest and fastest-growing churches in the country, as well as with businesses, non-profits, and organizations.In this conversation...Greg and I talk about how he began to leverage his ministry skills into resources that served pastors and churches, and how those resources have generated multiple streams of income.I also ask Greg for his thoughts on what the future of the church will look like over the next 5-10 years and beyond. His answer might surprise you.He takes us into the backstory behind his new book, The Secret Power of Kindness, which is available for pre-order starting today on Amazon. And we explore why the message of Kindness is needed in the church, and in our world, now more than ever.And now let's get to our conversation with Greg Atkinson!Support the showFind us online at www.morethanapastor.com.

Church attendance and giving are down 30% over the last two years, according to recent surveys. If this trend continues, churches will be forced to make more serious cutbacks. Programming and staffing are often the first places to cut.But what happens when churches need to cut back on support for missions? Are self-funded missionaries the future of the church? We'll talk about it in this episode of the More Than a Pastor Show.Links for Today's ShowWatch this Episode on YouTube: Join our Members Community: Become a Founding MemberMy Last Post: Burned Out Pastors: Don't Quit, Give Yourself a ResetWant to Support the Show? Buy Me a CoffeeSupport the showFind us online at www.morethanapastor.com.

Nearly 50% of American pastors say they struggle with burnout and have considered quitting in the last year, believing that a fresh start somewhere else is just what they need.What if you didn't have to go somewhere else to get a fresh start. What if you could press the reset button on your life and ministry right now, and create a fresh start right where you're at?Well I believe you can, and today I'll share 5 steps you can take to get unstuck, give yourself a reset, and move forward in your life and work, in this episode of the More Than a Pastor Show.Links for Today's ShowWatch this Episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/DWbtaGSR3NAGet the Blog Post/Show Notes for This Episode: https://www.morethanapastor.com/blog/burned-out-pastors-don-t-quit-give-yourself-a-reset-insteadJoin our Members Community: Become a Founding MemberMy Last Post: How Pastors Can Create Income Through Online PlatformsWant to Support the Show? Buy Me a CoffeeSupport the showFind us online at www.morethanapastor.com.

Have you noticed how quick we are in the church to celebrate marketplace leaders who feel called to leverage their business skills in the church, but not church leaders who feel called to leverage their ministry skills in the marketplace?It's like co-vocational ministry can only go one way, from the marketplace to the church, and not from the church to the marketplace.Today I want to share why I believe now is the time to celebrate and encourage pastors to leverage their ministry skills in the marketplace. And how the shift to co-vocational ministry will benefit pastors, churches, and the communities they serve. Links for Today's ShowGet the Blog Post/Show Notes: Why it's Time to Celebrate Pastors Leveraging their Ministry Skills in the MarketplaceWatch this Episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uL3LEunaSSkJoin our Members Community: Become a Founding MemberMy Last Post: How Pastors Can Create Income Through Online PlatformsWant to Support the Show? Buy Me a CoffeeSupport the showFind us online at www.morethanapastor.com.

What would you do if your church suddenly couldn't pay you anymore? For Pastor John Stange, it sent him on a mission to create multiple streams of passive income through his own online platforms. We'll show you how he did it, and how you can too, in this episode of the More Than a Pastor Show.Links for Today's ShowConnect with John Stange: PlatformLaunchers.com and DesireJesus.comShow Notes/Blog Post for this Episode: https://www.morethanapastor.com/blog/how-pastors-can-create-passive-income-through-online-platforms-with-john-stangeWatch this Episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/D6H6nk0dkcEJoin our Members Community: Become a Founding MemberMy Last Post: How One Pastor Launched a Health Coaching BusinessAbout John Stange John is an author, podcaster, and pastor. He has written over 30 books. He hosts four podcasts with have been downloaded over 10 million times, including:The Chapter-A-Day Audio BibleDaily Devotions with Pastor JohnDwell on These ThingsPlatform LaunchersJohn has been serving in church leadership for the past 25 years, and is the lead pastor of Core Creek Community Church in Langhorne, PA.He also leads a membership community called Platform Launchers which helps members build, grow, and monetize message-based online platforms. More than that, I've grown to love John and the other members I've gotten to know in the community, and the support and encouragement we give each other, which has inspired me to finally launch my More Than a Pastor online members community as well.Support the showFind us online at www.morethanapastor.com.

Pastors have many skills developed in the church which could be transferred into the marketplace. And being able to coach others is definitely one of those skills!Have you ever wondered how you could leverage your ministry skills into a thriving coaching business? And how coaching around health and wellness could enrich your life and the lives of others?Today we'll share how one pastor discovered a renewed calling and passion to lead others toward health and wellness and launched his own profitable coaching program, and how you can too!Links for Today's ShowMilan Bittenbender's True Wellth Coaching Watch the YouTube Video for this EpisodeLeave Me a Review on Apple PodcastsLast Post: Jennifer Harshman is Making it Easy to Write a BookBuy Me a Coffee & Support the Show!Like my show and want to join our mission to help pastors, missionaries, and other ministry leaders create sustainable income outside the church?  Now you can show your support by buying me a coffee...or two...or three on a crowdfunding site for creators called Buy Me a Coffee.  Thanks for your support!Introducing Milan Bittenbender of True Wellth CoachingI'm so glad to have Milan Bittenbender with me on the show today. I've known Milan a bit over the years, as we've both served as pastors in the Wesleyan Church in the West Michigan area. In 2022 Milan transitioned from vocational pastoral ministry, and during a 3-month sabbatical, he decided to focus on his physical health and wellness. He lost 35 pounds in 67 days. Check out his Before (L) and After (R) pictures in the show notes/blog post for this episode!Through that experience, the Lord has given him a renewed calling and passion to lead others toward health and wellness - body, soul and spirit, which he does through his business, True Wellth Coaching. I'm so excited to have Milan on the show today to share his experience, and how he's been able to create true wealth for himself and his clients. And now let's get to our conversation with Milan Bittenbender!Support the showFind us online at www.morethanapastor.com.

Have you wanted to write a book, or wondered if you could, but the process of writing just seemed too complicated and confusing, so you never got started, or you started but never finished?Maybe you're a pastor wondering if you could turn a sermon series into a book? Or perhaps you have a message or passion that you feel called to share, but you're just not sure the best way to get started, or if it'll be worth the effort?Well what if writing a book could be as simple as following a recipe to bake a cake? Jennifer Harshman of Your Book Bakery says that it is! And she's here to show us how in this episode of the More Than a Pastor Show!Links for Today's ShowYour Book Bakery: http://www.yourbookbakery.comHarshman Services: https://www.harshmanservices.com/Watch this Episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/nCDTa6OQn74Leave Me a Review: More Than a Pastor on Apple PodcastsRead my Last Post: Tom Bump on How a Blindside Clarified His Mission to Help Other PastorsWhy Pastors and Other Ministry Leaders Should Write a BookIf you've been a pastor, missionary, or ministry leader for any length of time, you've already written a book...you just might not realize it yet!Think of all the sermons and devotionals you've written over the years. Did you know you could easily turn each sermon series into a book, which you could make available to your congregation, or sell on Amazon or even your local bookstore? This is a great example of passive income: You create something one time and it can make money for you over and over and over again.And beyond the church ministry realm, if you're looking to launch your own message-based online platform, or even a service-based or brick and mortar business, a book can really open doors for you and help you grow your audience and build your authority, which in turn will help you grow your income.Introducing Jennifer Harshman of Your Book BakeryJen is the author of Your Book Bakery: Making it Easy to Write a Book. And She believes that if you can follow a recipe to bake a cake, you can write a helpful non-fiction book.I met Jennifer through John Stange's Platform Launchers community. But then I realized later that she and I are also members of Dan Miller's 48 Days Eagles community for entrepreneurs.And I've been amazed at how many people just in those communities that Jennifer has worked with, let alone hundreds of other clients Jen has helped to write, edit, or publish their books, since 1992.In addition to her new book, Jen offers a 12-week book writing boot camp, one-on-one coaching, and even ghostwriting, to help you get your book out of your head and into the world. You'll find her online at www.yourbookbakery.com.And now let's get to our conversation with Jennifer Harshman!Support the showFind us online at www.morethanapastor.com.

Can God turn a blindside into a blessing? And turn our pain into a renewed sense of purpose? Yes he can! And we'll explain how this played out in one pastor's life in this episode of the More Than a Pastor Show. Let's get started! Links for Today's ShowTom Bump & KMC Coaching: www.tombump.comRestoring Leaders: www.restoringleaders.orgShow Notes for this Episode: Tom Bump on How a Blindside Clarified His Mission to Help Pastors Through the Hard SeasonsWatch this Episode on YouTube: Leave Me a Review: More Than a Pastor on Apple PodcastsFree 30-Min Coaching Session: www.morethanapastor.com/coachingTom Bump on How a Blindside Clarified His Mission to Help Other Pastors Through the Hard SeasonsHave you noticed in your own life, or maybe someone else's, how it often takes something bad happening to us, like losing our job, to finally launch us into pursuing a vision we've had for some time, but we didn't have the courage to pursue it.Maybe we kept thinking the time wasn't right, or we didn't have enough money, or we wanted to wait for other conditions to be just right…before we pursued that thing we knew God was calling us to do.And then all of a sudden, something major happens, and the things that were holding us back suddenly fade away, or they're no longer as important.I know that's happened in my own life. And that's exactly what happened to our guest today, Tom Bump. And I'm excited to have him share his story on how a blindside in his church launched him on a mission to help pastors through the hard seasons of life and ministry.Support the showFind us online at www.morethanapastor.com.

Want to launch a podcast to help you grow your business or organization, and establish yourself as an authority in your niche, but you're not sure how to get started, exactly what your show should be about, or you let the tech hold you back? Well, you're going to love today's show, because launching a podcast is easier and more affordable than ever before, and Erik K. Johnson, the Podcast Talent Coach, is here to show you how, in this episode of the More Than a Pastor Show. Let's get started! Links for Today's ShowErik's Podcast Launch Checklist: www.podcasttalentcoach.com/launchErik's Free Podcast Strategy Call: www.podcasttalentcoach.com/apply48 Days Eagles Community: www.morethanapastor.com/eagles Leave Me a Review: More Than a Pastor on Apple PodcastsJoin our Private Facebook Community: https://www.morethanapastor.com/facebookErik K. Johnson on How to Build Authority with a PodcastLaunching a podcast is one of the fastest ways to gain an audience and establish yourself as an authority in your area of expertise. But people get hung up when they don't know how to get started, and they have fear of the tech that might be required.I know that's what held me up and kept me from launching the More Than a Pastor show for several years. I'm so glad I found someone who could demystify the whole process for me, explain the basic tools I needed to get started, and show me how to launch my show and connect with and serve my audience. That person was Erik K. Johnson, the Podcast Talent Coach.I had the privilege of connecting with Erik for the first time back in 2020 through Dan Miller's 48 Days Eagles community for entrepreneurs, where Erik is the Dean of Podcasting. I participated in a 4-week podcasting course that Erik taught, and it was just what I needed to finally take action and launch the More Than a Pastor show.One of the things I've discovered, in building and growing my business, is how powerful a podcast is for helping you find your ideal audience - the people you most want to serve - and building a real connection with them.I believe every pastor who is launching a business should consider how launching a podcast could help you find your ideal customers and grow your relationship with them as well.That's why I'm so glad to have Erik as my guest today. There are many podcasts and coaches who teach you the technical side of podcasting. Erik K. Johnson is the premiere coach focused on the art of podcasting with Podcast Talent Coach.He has been atop the radio ratings since 2000 and coached many others to even greater success. Erik uses what he mastered in radio to help coaches attract their ideal clients with their podcast.Erik is a nationally recognized podcast and radio talent coach, on-air personality and radio program director seen on stage at Podcast Movement, New Media Expo, Authority & Influencer Summit and more. Find him at www.podcasttalentcoach.com.Support the showFind us online at www.morethanapastor.com.

Do you ever feel like it's too late, or you're too old, to fully live out your purpose and passion in life, and you've missed out on your opportunity to fulfill your dreams? Well I agree with George Elliot who said, "It's never too late to be what you might have been." And in this episode of the More than a Pastor show, we'll explore how our later years can be our greater years for enjoying the life, impact, and income we were made for. Links for Today's ShowConnect with Greg Online: Forward From 50 Join our private Facebook community: https://www.morethanapastor.com/facebookGet the Free PDF: How to Know if Starting a Business is Right for YouRead My Last Post: 4 Lessons the Church Can Learn from the Gen Z Revival of Barnes & NobleHey what's good my friend? Welcome to the More Than a Pastor Show. I'm Rich Avery, your host. This is where we help pastors, missionaries, and other ministry leaders take your skills, experience, and ministry know-how and leverage them into sustainable income outside of the church, through a business or side hustle that's right for you. So you can serve God and provide for your family, no matter what. Thanks for joining me today. If you're new to the show, you can learn more about me, get the show notes for today's episode, and download some free resources to help you grow your income and build financial security over at my website: morethanapastor.com/50 for episode 50.Support the showFind us online at www.morethanapastor.com.

Despite years of underwhelming sales and the added challenge of a global pandemic that forced its stores to close for months and endangered its future, book retailer Barnes & Noble is currently enjoying a revival. What's driving this unexpected turnaround?Surprisingly, it's the nostalgia that Millennials and Gen Zers have for physical books and bookstores! In this episode I'll outline four key takeaways that the church can glean from Barnes & Noble's revival among younger generations.Links for Today's ShowShow Notes for Today's Episode: 4 Lessons the Church Can Learn from the Revival of Barnes & NobleBrian Kilmeade Show: James Daunt on How He Saved Barnes & NobleNew 8-Week Course: Earn $250 a Day from Your Own Online PlatformJoin our Private Facebook community: https://www.morethanapastor.com/facebookGet the Free PDF: How to Know if Starting a Business is Right for YouRead My Last Post: David Steininger on Navigating the Less-than-Fun Aspects of Working for YourselfSupport the showFind us online at www.morethanapastor.com.

So do you love the idea of starting your own business….but you get a little overwhelmed thinking about the tech, admin, and financial stuff that's involved? What if there was a guide who could help you navigate the less-than-fun aspects of building your own business? Well the good news is that there is! And we'll introduce you to your new self-employment sidekick on this episode of the More Than a Pastor Show. Links for Today's ShowGet the Blog Post Show Notes for this Episode: David Steininger on Navigating the Less-than-Fun Aspects of Working for Yourself New 8-Week Course: Earn $250 a Day from Your Own Online PlatformJoin our private Facebook community: https://www.morethanapastor.com/facebookGet the Free PDF: How to Know if Starting a Business is Right for YouRead My Last Post: The Power of Creating a Memorable ExperienceSo, starting a business or side hustle can “sound” easy and fun to many of us, especially if we're making money…what's not fun about that?But there's a B side to business that's not fun for everyone, and that often holds us back or slows us up from accomplishing what we know we need to do.On today's show I want to introduce you to someone who definitely can help you out with the B side of your new business. My friend David Steininger. Dave is the host of the Self Employment Sidekick show, and he's an expert at helping business owners navigate the less-than-fund aspects of working for yourself. He is also the co-owner of Brerro, which helps businesses design their marketing strategy.Before we get into the interview with Dave i want to share briefly how we met. We're both members in a community called Platform Launchers, hosted by our mutual friend John Stange. John's a pastor who's built several successful online platforms that have created life changing income for his family. I'm telling you this now because next week John is launching a new 8-week course called “How to Earn $250 a day from your own online platform,” and he's going to share the pathway he followed to gradually build and grow his online businesses. Note that I said gradually…because this is NOT get rich quick. I'm not into that, and neither is John. So if you've been wondering if starting an online business is right for you, why not check this out and see if it's right for you?The regular price for the course is $500, which, to be honest, is a bargain for an 8-week course like this. But right now John is offering a 50% discount if you use the promo code EARLYBIRD.  I'm not sure how long that discount will last. So, check it out and see if the course is right for you. If it is, I look forward to seeing you there, and building our online businesses together.And now let's dive into our interview with David Steininger...Support the showFind us online at www.morethanapastor.com.

What is it that makes some experiences so memorable that they really touch us, and make us want to tell our friends all about them? And how can we tap into this power to create meaningful, memorable experiences for the people we serve? That's what we're talking about in today's episode of the More Than a Pastor show! Links for Today's ShowGet the Blog Post Show Notes for this Episode: The Power of Creating a Memorable ExperienceJ Schwanke's TV Show: J Schwanke's Life in BloomJoin our private Facebook community: https://www.morethanapastor.com/facebookGet the Free PDF: How to Know if Starting a Business is Right for YouRead My Last Post: Charity Goodwin on Coaching Where Faith and Feelings Meet What Makes an Experience Memorable?We've all been impacted by memorable experiences in some way, haven't we?An experience is memorable because of how it touched or spoke to us, stuck with us long past the experience, and motivated us to some kind of action, which could be as simple as telling others about it, or something else.Sometimes memorable experiences just happen - like when we take the family camping and it rains for days and we're stuck in the tent the whole time playing games. No one would have asked for a washout camping trip, but it created a memorable shared experience that the family still talks about years later.But memorable experiences can also be created, and certain businesses, like Disney and Apple, are famous for creating memorable experiences for their customers....Support the showFind us online at www.morethanapastor.com.

Could every pastor have a second calling as a coach? And how could coaching around emotional intelligence help pastors and other leaders to live and lead more like Jesus in a church and culture that is rapidly changing? We'll talk about that in this episode of the More than a pastor show. Links from Today's ShowFind Charity Goodwin Online: www.charitygoodwin.comPlatform Launchers: www.morethanapastor.com/platformJoin our private Facebook community: https://www.morethanapastor.com/facebookGet the Free PDF: How to Know if Starting a Business is Right for YouRead My Last Post: 5 Ways Pastors and Churches can Profit from the Creator Economy Charity Goodwin on Coaching Where Faith and Feelings MeetCharity Goodwin is an elder in the United Methodist Church. She lives in St. Louis, Missouri and currently serves as the pastor of spiritual formation and groups at The Gathering, a UMC church in St. Louis. She has had experience as a site pastor and a lead pastor.In addition to her pastoral role in the church, she coaches other pastors and teams or boards/councils. Leadership development, vision casting, ministry start-ups, especially coaching around emotional intelligence, to help people take a more holistic view of transformation, change, and transition. And she's just launched new new podcast, Where Faith and Feelings Meet.I met Charity through an online community we're both members of called Platform Launchers, hosted by our friend John Stange. If you've been dreaming of starting your own message-based business or online platform, `I'd encourage you to give Platform Launchers a try. You can get a free 30 day trial, join in on the weekly live calls, dive into the massive online learning library, and find your pathway to building and growing your own online business by going to morethanapastor.com/platform.Support the showFind us online at www.morethanapastor.com.

Today I want to talk about a topic I hear almost no one talking about: why churches should tap into the Creator Economy. And I'll share 5 ways that pastors and churches can put the power of the creator economy to work for them. Links for Today's ShowChapter-A-Day Audio Bible: www.DesireJesus.comPlatform Launchers: www.morethanapastor.com/platformJoin our private Facebook community: https://www.morethanapastor.com/facebookGet the Free PDF: How to Know if Starting a Business is Right for YouRead My Last Post: How Judgmental Christians are Killing the Church...And What Comes Next5 Ways Pastors Can Profit from the Creator EconomySo what comes to your mind when you hear the phrase “Creator Economy”? Do you immediately think of an Instagram influencer, TikToker or YouTuber with hundreds of thousands of followers? Or how about a pastor recording himself reading the Bible, one chapter a day, and sharing it as a podcast? Or someone who sells crafts on Etsy?Or maybe you have no idea what I'm talking about.Well, never fear, because in today's episode I'm going to explain what the creator economy is, why churches should tap into it, and I'll share 5 ways that pastors and churches can profit from it.Support the showFind us online at www.morethanapastor.com.

As the church in America faces a steady decline in attendance and giving, many church leaders are quick to blame outside forces like secularism, progressivism, wokeism, or even the COVID-19 pandemic, for why people are leaving their church.But what if judgmental Christians are to blame for killing the church? And what comes next for churches and pastors? We'll talk about it in this episode of the More Than a Pastor Show. Let's get started!Links for Today's ShowThe Guardian story mentioned: Losing Their Religion: Why US Churches are on the DeclineJoin our private Facebook community: https://www.morethanapastor.com/facebookGet the Free PDF: How to Know if Starting a Business is Right for YouRead My Last Post: Ditch the Resolutions. Instead, Focus on Your One Thing for 2023Support the showFind us online at www.morethanapastor.com.

So, it's the third week of January 2023. The time when many of us are already abandoning our new year's resolutions. Are you tired of the stress and guilt that come from making resolutions that just don't work?What if, this year, you could ditch the new year's resolutions and discover a simple, yet effective way to turn your biggest hopes and dreams into reality? Well, I believe it is possible. And I'll show you how in this episode of the More Than a Pastor show. Let's get started!Links for Today's ShowJoin our private Facebook community: https://www.morethanapastor.com/facebookGet the Free PDF: The ONE THING 90-Day Goal FrameworkRead My Last Post: Dealing with Disappointment When Everything Changes  January 17 - Ditch New Year's Resolutions Day Did you know that today, January 17, is Ditch New Year's Resolutions Day? Go ahead, Google it, I'll wait...Yeah, it's the day when most people have ditched or abandoned their New Year's Resolutions.Do you ever get frustrated by resolutions that just don't work? I know I do. And I hate the stress and sense of guilt that comes from not achieving goals I set.Actually, I realized that pretty much all of my past resolutions were actually more like wishes than goals.The problem was that I hadn't clearly defined exactly what I wanted and why, and I didn't have any kind of strategy or system to help me achieve them.Then one day I discovered a simple framework for turning resolutions into meaningful goals, and these goals into reality.What this did for me was create more alignment and integration in my life, which created more momentum that propelled me closer to achieving my goals.Now, Instead of having several disparate goals that I'm pursuing independently, I strategically map out a way to align my biggest goals together so I can pursue them in a unified way.So how exactly does that work?  Keep listening...Support the showFree PDF: How to Know if Starting a Biz is Right for You

How do you deal with disappointment when everything changes and the church of today is not the way you expected it to be? We'll talk about it in today's show. Let's get started!  Hello my friend! Welcome to the More Than a Pastor Show. I'm Rich Avery, your host. It's great to see you again this week. Thanks for being here. I appreciate you spending a little time with us as we help you take your skills, experience, and ministry know-how and leverage them into sustainable income outside of the church, through a business or side hustle that's right for you. So you can serve God and provide for your family, no matter what.Have you ever been in a situation where you said:Ugh, I didn't sign up for this, LordI'm doing exactly what you called me to do, God, so why isn't it working out?I thought it was going to be this way, but now everything has changedI had everything all planned out God and now I don't know which way is upIf you've been there in the past, or maybe you're there right now, you know how easy it can be to get discouraged and disappointed because things are not how they were supposed to be.Or at least…they're not how we thought they'd be...Links for Today's ShowBlog post/transcript for this episode: Dealing with Disappointment When Everything ChangesJoin our private Facebook community: https://www.morethanapastor.com/facebookGet the Free PDF: 4 Keys to Success in Starting Your Own BusinessRead My Last Post: 4 Lessons Learned from 2022 to Bring into 2023Support the showFree PDF: How to Know if Starting a Biz is Right for You

So, what are four lessons I've learned in 2022 that I want to bring with me into 2023? That's what we're going to talk about in today's episode.Links for Today's ShowBlog post/transcript for this episode: 4 Things from 2022 to Bring into 2023Join our private Facebook community: https://www.morethanapastor.com/facebookGet the Free PDF: How to Know if Starting a Business is Right for YouRead My Last Post: God's Gift to You in 2023: More Fulfillment in Your Life and WorkSupport the showFree PDF: How to Know if Starting a Biz is Right for You

Are you feeling a little stuck, broke, or unfulfilled in your life and work right now? And you wish things could change for you in 2023, but you're not sure how…or if it's even possible? Well I believe whatever change you're ready for…is ready for you! And in this episode of the More Than a Pastor show I'll share 3 steps for finding more fulfillment in your life and ministry in the new year. Lets get started.Links for Today's ShowBlog post/transcript for this episode: God's Gift for You in 2023: More Fulfillment in Your Life & WorkJoin our private Facebook community: https://www.morethanapastor.com/facebookGet the Free PDF: How to Know if Starting a Business is Right for YouRead my Last Post: The Drowning Pastor: How to Trade Passive Hope for Active Hope this Advent Support the showFree PDF: How to Know if Starting a Biz is Right for You

In this season of advent, do you find yourself hoping for something more in your life, work, and finances? It's easy to hope…but there's a big difference between having passive hope and active hope. Do you know the difference, and how to make active hope work for you? We'll talk about it in this episode of the More Than a Pastor Show. Let's get started!Links for Today's ShowBlog post/transcript for this episode: The Drowning Pastor: How to Trade Active Hope for Passive Hope this AdventJoin our private Facebook community: https://www.morethanapastor.com/facebookGet the Free PDF: How to Know if Starting a Business is Right for YouRead My Last Post: Curiosity-Inspired Side Hustles with Stevan SheetsSupport the showFree PDF: How to Know if Starting a Biz is Right for You

In this episode of the More Than a Pastor Show I want to help you harness the power of curiosity in your life so you can create more income for your family. Stevan Sheets joins us. He's a pastor who has experimented with a number of different side hustles throughout his 20 years of pastoral ministry. I've known Stevan personally since 2008, and one of the things I've appreciated about him is his curiosity. It's been a real catalyst for growth in his family life, pastoral ministry, and his entrepreneurial pursuits.Personally, I believe curiosity is one of the most important traits you need to be successful in business and ministry.So we'll talk about that in today's show. We'll also learn how Stevan got into side hustling, what are some of the side hustles he's launched, why he believes it's important for pastors to find ways to create income outside of the church, what his church thinks about his side hustle pursuits, and a lot more.If you're new to the show, you can learn more about me, get the show notes for today's episode, and download some free resources to help you grow your income and build financial security over at my website: morethanapastor.com/38 for episode 38.Support the showFree PDF: How to Know if Starting a Biz is Right for You

Is Your Church Still Trying to Live in a World that NO Longer Exists? And if so, what should you do about it? Let's talk about it in this episode of the More Than a Pastor Show.Hello my friend! Welcome to the More Than a Pastor Show. I'm Rich Avery, your host. Our goal here is simple. We want to help you take your skills, experience, and ministry know-how and leverage them into sustainable income outside of the church, through a business or side hustle that's right for you. So you can serve God and provide for your family, no matter what.Links for Today's ShowChurch Answers: 10 Reasons Why Church Search Committees are Struggling More Than EverJoin our private Facebook community: https://www.morethanapastor.com/facebookGet the Free PDF: How to Know if Starting a Business is Right for YouRead My Last Post: My Daily Podcast Challenge: An Unexpected BlessingSo, is your church still trying to live in a world that no longer exists? If so, what should you do about it? That's what I want to talk about today.This all started with me when my friend John Stange of Platform Launchers sent me the link to a blog post by Thom Rainer of ChurchAnswers.Com. The post was entitled, 10 Reasons Why Church Search Committees are Struggling More Than Ever...Support the show

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Have you decided to start a YouTube channel, but you get overwhelmed with all the equipment and tool options you need for recording, editing, and posting your videos on YouTube? Let me simplify it for you in today's episode of the More Than a Pastor Show, and share the best tips for launching your new YouTube channel step-by-step. In fact, here's what you're going to discover:The 3 questions you must answer BEFORE you start a YouTube channel. How to set up your new YouTube channel in just 7 easy steps. What equipment do you need to get started?  Links for Today's ShowJoin for Free: The More Than a Pastor Community on FacebookFree PDF: How to Know if Starting a Business is Right for YouRead My Last Post: How to Start a Podcast Step-by-StepVideo Brand Expert Daniel CrandallSupport the show

Are you a pastor who wants to start a podcast, but you feel a little overwhelmed with all the options and choices when it comes to recording, producing, and streaming your new show to the podcastsphere? Well you're going to really like today's show. Because I'll be sharing 12 steps to launching your new podcast. Let's get started!Hello my friend! Welcome to the More Than a Pastor Show. I'm your host, Rich Avery. This is where we help pastors leverage your ministry know-how into sustainable income outside of the church, through a business or side hustle that's right for you. So you can serve God and provide for your family, no matter what.Do you feel a little lonely…or crazy at times…like maybe you're the only pastor who desires to provide more for your family? Or who feels called to use your ministry know-how in the marketplace? Or who doesn't want to depend on the church for your sole income?Well then you, my friend, are in the right place! It's great to see you. I'm so glad you are here. You're not crazy. And you're definitely not alone!If you're new to the show, you can learn more about me, get the show notes for today's episode, and download tools and resources to help you launch and grow your business or side hustle at morethanapastor.com/34 for episode 34.Support the show

Are you a pastor wondering if you can make extra money with a podcast? Well you're going to love today's show. Because I'll be sharing 10 ways you can make money with a podcast. Let's get started!Hello my friend! Welcome to the More Than a Pastor Show. I'm your host, Rich Avery. This is where we help pastors leverage your ministry know-how into sustainable income outside of the church, through a business or side hustle that's right for you. So you can serve God and provide for your family, no matter what.If you're a pastor who feels called to something more in your life, work, and income, you're in the right place! It's great to see you today. Thanks for joining me - it really means a lot.If you're new to the show, you can learn more about me, get the show notes for today's episode, and download tools and resources to help you launch and grow your business or side hustle here: How Pastors Can Make Extra Money With a Podcast.Support the show

So, was there a situation or experience that started you on the journey to creating income outside the church through your own business or side hustle? How can you harness the power of this defining moment experience into your long-term success? We'll talk about it in this edition of the more than a pastor show. Let's get started.Hello my friend! Welcome to the More Than a Pastor Show. I'm your host, Rich Avery. This is where we help pastors leverage your ministry know-how into sustainable income outside of the church, through a business or side hustle that's right for you. So you can serve God and provide for your family, no matter what.If you're a pastor who feels called to something more in your life, work, and income, you're in the right place! It's great to see you today. Thanks for joining me - it really means a lot.If you're new to the show, you can learn more about me, get the show notes for today's episode, and download tools and resources to help you launch and grow your business or side hustle here:  How to Harness the Power of Your Defining Moment.Support the show

As a pastor, you invest in the lives of other people every day. But how much are you investing in yourself? We'll talk about it in today's episode of the More Than a Pastor Show. Let's get started!Hello my friend! Welcome to the More Than a Pastor Show. I'm your host, Rich Avery. This is where we help pastors leverage your ministry know-how into sustainable income outside of the church, through a business or side hustle that's right for you. So you can serve God and provide for your family, no matter what.If you're a pastor who feels called to something more in your life, work, and income, you're in the right place! It's great to see you today. Thanks for joining me - it really means a lot.If you're new to the show, you can learn more about me, get the show notes for today's episode, and download tools and resources to help you launch and grow your business or side hustle at morethanapastor.com/31 for episode 31.Support the show