It's Not About the Money: In Search of Grounded Fundraising

Episode 52 launches a series on church partnerships, emphasizing their relevance for missionaries. Guest host Corrie McKee, a global worker and author of a forthcoming church partnership curriculum, joins Heather and Andy to discuss stable financial support, networking, and spiritual growth through church collaborations. Sharing personal stories, they highlight how partnerships inspire generosity and plant seeds for future missionaries. 0:05 - 3:14 | Series and Curriculum Intro Heather frames fundraising as personal formation; Andy introduces the church partnership series. Corrie McKee shares how her experience with 12 churches inspired a curriculum to guide missionaries.4:12 - 15:23 | Benefits and Spiritual Impact Corrie emphasizes churches' stable, substantial financial support. Andy and Heather highlight networking and spiritual formation, inspiring congregations and future missionaries. Churches focus on long-term care, complementing sending organizations' training, per Corrie's “three-legged stool” analogy.16:18 - 26:02 | Stories and Challenges Corrie describes partnerships with 12 churches via creative efforts; Andy discusses the difference between mega-church and smaller church support. Challenges include navigating large churches, building relationships, and aligning with church visions while addressing accountability.27:31 - 34:19 | Committee Insights and Series Preview Corrie outlines her church's support programs and notes biases in support. Heather previews series topics: biblical partnerships, communication, and sustaining relationships. Andy highlights the curriculum, closing with the church's role in God's mission.If you enjoyed this episode, don't forget to subscribe, leave a review, and share it with your network. Follow It's Not About the Money for more insightful discussions on faith-based fundraising and support raising!Get help today! Visit www.provisiofundraising.comFollow along @ its.not.about.the.money.pod. . . . .THANKS FOR LISTENING!

In this  recap episode, Heather Winchell and Andy Brennan revisit their conversation with veteran fundraiser Ekren Miller. Discover why fundraising is an invitation—not begging—and how to cultivate donors through his “Four Pillars” framework: Qualification, Cultivation, Solicitation, and Stewardship. Hear creative cultivation ideas (from yard work to babysitting!), learn how to handle “no” with resilience, and uncover why fundraising shapes who you become. Tune in and walk away with concrete strategies to build lasting donor relationships.Key TakeawaysFundraising Is Invitation: Embrace generosity as relationship, not transaction. ​Four‑Pillar Framework: Qualify → Cultivate → Solicit → Steward. ​Creative Cultivation: Offer your time & talents to deepen donor trust. ​“Go Until No”: Persist until you hear an explicit refusal. ​Mindset Shift: View “no” as circumstance, and lean on discipline over emotion. If you enjoyed this episode, don't forget to subscribe, leave a review, and share it with your network. Follow It's Not About the Money for more insightful discussions on faith-based fundraising and support raising!Get help today! Visit www.provisiofundraising.comFollow along @ its.not.about.the.money.pod. . . . .THANKS FOR LISTENING!

If you enjoyed this episode, don't forget to subscribe, leave a review, and share it with your network. Follow It's Not About the Money for more insightful discussions on faith-based fundraising and support raising!Get help today! Visit www.provisiofundraising.comFollow along @ its.not.about.the.money.pod. . . . .THANKS FOR LISTENING!

If you enjoyed this episode, don't forget to subscribe, leave a review, and share it with your network. Follow It's Not About the Money for more insightful discussions on faith-based fundraising and support raising!Get help today! Visit www.provisiofundraising.comFollow along @ its.not.about.the.money.pod. . . . .THANKS FOR LISTENING!

Fundraising can be exhausting—but what if it's more than just a tough season? What if the way your brain works actually impacts how you navigate support raising? In this episode, we sit down with certified neurodiverse coach and veteran cross-cultural worker Jenilee Goodwin to talk about how conditions like ADHD, autism, and sensory processing differences shape the fundraising experience.From communication overload to executive function challenges to unexpected strengths, Jenilee helps us see how neurodivergent individuals can thrive in ministry—with the right support. Whether you're neurodivergent yourself, support someone who is, or are shaping organizational policies, this conversation is packed with grace, insight, and practical ideas for a more inclusive approach to support-based ministry.

In this episode of It's Not About the Money, we're joined by Bernie Anderson—missions leader, podcast host, business consultant, and certified Growability coach. Bernie helps us reframe our ideas around sales and fundraising, showing how sales, when done with integrity and generosity, can become a transformative experience for both the giver and the receiver.We talk about why fundraising isn't a transaction but a transformation, why great fundraisers are great listeners, and how donor alignment is better than manipulation. Bernie shares wisdom on identifying donor personalities, avoiding burnout through authenticity, and how storytelling—done honestly—can drive partnership fruit.If you've ever felt awkward "making the ask" or have been burned by manipulative sales tactics, this episode will feel like a breath of fresh air. Bernie reminds us that fundraising is discipleship, that rejection isn't failure, and that there's no such thing as “sacred vs. secular” when you're doing Kingdom work.

“I was probably the wealthiest person in my family when I chose to go into ministry—then I had to go back and ask my family for money.”“If God did it in my life, He can do it in yours.”“If you're not willing to be faithful, I can't do much with you. But if you are—I got you.”In this powerful episode, Tony Dentman of Funding Tribe joins hosts Heather and Andy to reframe the soundtrack of “This is impossible.” Tony shares his journey from inner-city St. Louis to full-time ministry, despite having no wealthy or Christian background. He explains how his organization empowers minority leaders to get fully funded and mobilized for mission. The conversation dives deep into character formation, faith-building, and the systemic lie that fundraising success is tied to privilege. A must-listen for anyone who has ever doubted their calling or resources.

In this thought-provoking episode, Dr. Mandy returns to share her ongoing journey in ministry and fundraising. The conversation explores how ministry fundraising transcends mere numbers—it's about personal formation, genuine partnerships, and living out one's calling. Dr. Mandy recounts her early introduction to support-based ministry, her refreshing re-engagement with longtime partners (including a memorable 5000-mile road trip), and the lessons learned from her leadership challenges. Interwoven with rich Scripture readings (notably from Second Corinthians and other Biblical passages), the discussion offers spiritual encouragement and practical insights on overcoming doubt, resisting the temptation to “fix” everything, and staying true to God's word. Listeners are encouraged to lean into community, continuously study Scripture, and trust that every step—even the hard ones—is part of a greater divine plan.Recommended Resources Mentioned:Perspectives courses (visit perspectives.org)Books: Mountain Rain by Eileen Fraser Crossman and The Prayer of Faith by James O. FraserScripture study tools: Logos, NAVS, Precept.orgOther Scripture for Reference:Revelation 15:3 1 Chronicles 29:11-131 Chronicles 16:31 Psalm 9:7-10Psalm 103:19-22Psalm 96Psalm 93:1-51 Timothy 1:171 Timothy 6:15-16Isaiah 44:6-9Psalm 145:8-131 Corinthians 15:20-28Zechariah 9:9John 18:36-37Hebrews 1:3-4Hebrews 1:8-12If you enjoyed this episode, don't forget to subscribe, leave a review, and share it with your network. Follow It's Not About the Money for more insightful discussions on faith-based fundraising and support raising!Get help today! Visit www.provisiofundraising.comFollow along @ its.not.about.the.money.pod. . . . .THANKS FOR LISTENING!

"Our support raising isn't asking for a favor — it's an invitation to join in Kingdom work."“Greed isn't about how much money you have — it's about what you expect money to give you.”What does it really mean to live with an abundance mindset in a culture of scarcity and self-sufficiency? In this episode of It's Not About the Money, we're joined by Dr. Jacob Chacko — a cardiologist, bivocational pastor, and thoughtful teacher — to talk about the spiritual heart of fundraising.Together we explore:The subtle forms greed can take — even in ministryWhy dependence isn't weakness, but a biblical invitationHow abundance isn't about more stuff — it's about deeper trustPractical ways to reframe financial anxiety and scarcity thinkingWhether you're deep into support-raising or simply wrestling with how to steward your money faithfully, this conversation will stir your heart and reorient your perspective.

“We live at the mercy of our ideas.” – Dallas WillardIn this foundational episode of our new series on mental soundtracks in fundraising, we're joined by the wise and winsome Patty S. If you've ever found yourself stuck in patterns of doubt, striving, or self-criticism around fundraising, this episode is for you.We unpack how our internal narratives—the soundtracks we replay in our heads—shape not only our fundraising strategies but also our identity and ministry posture. Drawing on personal experiences and years of walking alongside ministry workers, Patty helps us name unhealthy mindsets and invites us to replace them with truth, grace, and intentionality.This episode kicks off a multi-part journey toward reframing how we think about fundraising—moving from fear and scarcity to purpose and formation. Whether you're in a season of support raising or simply feeling stuck, you'll find insight, encouragement, and plenty of “aha” moments.Listen to Patty's other episode (Episode 4) here!If you enjoyed this episode, don't forget to subscribe, leave a review, and share it with your network. Follow It's Not About the Money for more insightful discussions on faith-based fundraising and support raising!Get help today! Visit www.provisiofundraising.comFollow along @ its.not.about.the.money.pod. . . . .THANKS FOR LISTENING!

In this episode, we revisit the conversation with Danny & Stephanie Gutierrez to explore their journey from resisting support raising to fully embracing it as a means to bless others. In Episode 44, they share how their mindset shifted from viewing fundraising as an obligation to seeing it as an opportunity for partnership and generosity. Whether you're in ministry, fundraising, or simply navigating seasons of transition, this conversation is packed with wisdom, encouragement, and practical strategies.In this RECAP, we explore:How Danny & Stephanie moved from "never fundraising" to seeing it as a vital part of their mission.The importance of open communication, leveraging strengths, and building a core team—whether you're married or single.Challenges of long-term field service and how to maintain resilience through difficult seasons.Creative approaches to engaging supporters beyond financial contributions.Universal principles of community, human interaction, and the power of our thoughts in shaping our experiences.Resources Mentioned:All Terrain Marriage Course by Danny & Stephanie Gutierrez (YouTube)"Life is in the Transitions" by Bruce Feiler

"We said we'd never fundraise—never. But God had other plans." "The conversations about money were some of the hardest, but they also made us stronger." In this episode of THANKS FOR DOING THAT, Danny and Stephanie Leigh Gutierrez share their journey of stepping into support-based ministry as a married couple. From wrestling with initial doubts to discovering the blessings that come from relying on others' generosity, their story is filled with faith, resilience, and surprising lessons. They open up about how fundraising transformed their relationship—not just with each other, but with God and their community. If you've ever faced a challenge that seemed impossible, their insights and honesty might be just the encouragement you need. Danny and Stephanie made a pact when they got married - support based work was not for them. As it turns out, God had other plans and their family served in Peru for a decade before moving back to the States to continue ministry in equipping and encouraging support based workers. You might recognize Stephanie's voice from her well known podcast: Modern Day Missionaries.Overall, Stephanie and Danny had so many helpful and practical offerings from their own experiences  - speaking to both what works and what doesn't! The conversation covers communication, roles in marriage and fundraising, how to tell a story well, and much moreAll Terrain Marriage Video SeriesIf you enjoyed this episode, don't forget to subscribe, leave a review, and share it with your network. Follow It's Not About the Money for more insightful discussions on faith-based fundraising and support raising!Get help today! Visit www.provisiofundraising.comFollow along @ its.not.about.the.money.pod. . . . .THANKS FOR LISTENING!

"Fundraising isn't just a necessary evil. It's the point where we're drawn deeper into the body of Christ and into intentional, transformational conversations.""The church needs you as much as the people you're ministering to. This isn't just about funding—it's about formation, for you and for the church."In this recap episode, Heather Winchell and Andy Brennan reflect on their conversation with Aaron Gonyou from Unmuzzled Ox. They explore the challenges of ministry fundraising, the role of personal formation, and the importance of preparation and coaching. The discussion highlights the tension between faith and strategy in fundraising, the critical role of church involvement, and why fundraisers should embrace their calling rather than resist it.Aaron emphasizes the importance of accountability structures, the power of clarity in fundraising pitches, and how ministry fundraising can either be a burden or an opportunity for growth. Heather and Andy also discuss common pitfalls in fundraising training and the importance of seeing fundraising as part of the ministry itself rather than just a means to an end.The episode closes with an encouraging reminder: "You're doing a great thing. The church needs you. The Gospel moves forward when ministry workers are fully funded."

"God could drop the money in your lap, but instead, He takes you through a process that humbles you, grows your faith, and challenges you to see ministry as a team sport—not an individual one.""Support raising is counter-cultural, but it's not counter-biblical. It transcends culture, and though it's awkward and hard, it's a biblical practice that God uses to prepare us for ministry."Heather and Andy are joined by kingdom entrepreneur Aaron Gonyou of Unmuzzled Ox to discuss the critical aspects of preparing ministry workers for their assignments. They delve into the essential aspects of preparing ministry workers for their assignments. Drawing from decades of diverse experiences, Aaron highlights common pitfalls organizations encounter when equipping staff for partnership development. He emphasizes the significance of comprehensive preparation, identifies major mistakes that can hinder fundraising efforts, and discusses the multifaceted benefits of holistic support from local churches. Throughout the conversation, Aaron shares practical advice and personal stories from his extensive background in both business and ministry.In this episode:00:00 - Why Support Raising MattersAaron explains how God uses the process of support raising to prepare ministry workers for their calling.03:06 - Aaron's Journey to Unmuzzled OxAaron shares his background, from Bible college to founding Unmuzzled Ox, and how his experiences shaped his mission.05:25 - The Seven Keys to Successful PreparationA breakdown of common pitfalls and essential steps organizations need to prepare ministry workers effectively.08:05 - The Role of Local Church BlessingWhy the endorsement of a local church is critical for ministry success.13:14 - Misconceptions About Support RaisingExploring the balance between making support raising sound too easy or too hard—and finding the “sweet spot.”18:55 - Counter-Cultural but BiblicalThe challenges of support raising in different cultural contexts and its biblical foundation.22:59 - The Formation Process in Support RaisingHow the journey of fundraising shapes ministry workers to become more like Jesus.25:33 - The Importance of Clear Goals and AccountabilityWhy having defined roles, goals, and strong HR processes is essential for success.29:29 - Innovative Approaches to Support RaisingDiscussion on innovative HR practices, like paying minimum wage during support raising.45:26 - The Need for Coaching and CommunityHighlighting the importance of having a coach and a core support team to navigate the fundraising journey.51:41 - Encouragement for Ministry WorkersAaron provides a heartfelt message to ministry workers about the significance of their work and their role in advancing the Gospel.53:12 - Closing ThoughtsFinal reflections on embracing change and trusting God's work through imperfect systems.If you enjoyed this episode, don't forget to subscribe, leave a review, and share it with your network. Follow It's Not About the Money for more insightful discussions on faith-based fundraising and support raising!Get help today! Visit www.provisiofundraising.comFollow along @ its.not.about.the.money.pod. . . . .THANKS FOR LISTENING!

“There is no scarcity in heaven. Never has been, never will be. And there should be no scarcity in our thinking as we move through ministry.”“Don't let your only point of contact be an appeal for money. Let your points of contact be person-driven, not finance-driven.”In this episode of It's Not About the Money, hosts Heather Winchell and Andy Brennan welcome special guest Kenton K. to discuss the key themes of a previous conversation with fundraising expert Mary Valloni. The episode dives into the stark contrast between a scarcity mindset and an abundance mindset in ministry fundraising. Kenton shares from his 25 years of experience living on support, offering valuable insights on stewardship, donor engagement, and building authentic relationships.The conversation highlights the importance of personal connection with supporters, expressing gratitude, and embracing generosity even while relying on support. Kenton shares inspiring stories of unexpected provision, the impact of small gifts, and how God's faithfulness is revealed in fundraising. This episode is packed with practical advice and heartwarming examples of how trust, generosity, and intentional relationship-building can transform financial support into a shared mission.In this episode:Shifting from a scarcity mindset to an abundance mindset and how that changes everything in fundraising.How personal relationships—not just financial asks—build lasting donor support.Practical ways to express gratitude that make supporters feel valued and connected.We unpack the power of generosity, even while living on support, and how it reflects God's provision.Betty Barnett's Friend Raising – A guide to building meaningful support-based fundraising relationships. “Give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over, will be poured into your lap.”If you enjoyed this episode, don't forget to subscribe, leave a review, and share it with your network. Follow It's Not About the Money for more insightful discussions on faith-based fundraising and support raising!Get help today! Visit www.provisiofundraising.comFollow along @ its.not.about.the.money.pod. . . . .THANKS FOR LISTENING!

"Trust isn't built overnight—it's built in the little, consistent moments where we show up authentically.""When you go in for a transaction instead of a relationship, it feels dirty. But fundraising isn't about money—it's about partnerships and impact.""We aren't selling a product—we're inviting people to be part of the greatest mission of all time."In this episode, Mary Valloni, fundraising expert and host of the Fully Funded Podcast, joins the conversation to unpack the crucial role of trust in donor relationships. She shares insights from her journey, from raising her own support in college ministry to helping nonprofits secure sustainable funding. Mary emphasizes that fundraising isn't just about money—it's about building authentic partnerships, shifting from a scarcity to an abundance mindset, and representing ministry with integrity. She also introduces practical strategies, including the Know-Like-Trust-Give model and the power of having a personal advisory team to strengthen donor relationships. Packed with wisdom and actionable takeaways, this episode is a must-listen for anyone looking to fundraise with confidence and purpose.In this episode:Why trust is more critical than ever in today's skeptical worldHow being genuine transforms donor partnershipsKingdom perspective on fundraisingActionable advice for cultivating trust and authenticityYou can get your copy of Fully Funded now!More information on Fully Funded Academy and the work and partnership of Mary Valloni and Mike KimIf you enjoyed this episode, don't forget to subscribe, leave a review, and share it with your network. Follow It's Not About the Money for more insightful discussions on faith-based fundraising and support raising!Get help today! Visit www.provisiofundraising.comFollow along @ its.not.about.the.money.pod. . . . .THANKS FOR LISTENING!

WOW, what a season. We had fantastic stand alone conversations about church partnerships, domestic fundraising, spiritual health, soul care, and so much more. Heather was joined by special co-host Jenn Smyth for a six part mini-series on fundraising in ethnically diverse communities. Andy and Heather briefly review this season's episodes, give some stats from Spotify,  and share a sneak peak for what is coming up in season 4! It would be so helpful if you would take a moment to rate and review the show - thanks in advance!Have an idea for a guest or topic? WE WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU!Contact us!on Instagram @ its.not.about.the.money.podTHANKS FOR LISTENING!

Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here!In this episode of "It's Not About the Money," Heather and Andy sit down with Dr. Will Smallwood from Cedarville University. Dr. Smallwood shares the incredible journey of Cedarville's 1000 Days Transformed campaign, which has raised over $158.7 million to date. He discusses his unexpected path to becoming a career fundraiser, the vital role of storytelling in fundraising, and the importance of intentional discipleship at Cedarville.Dr. Smallwood also opens up about personal challenges, including his battle with cancer, and how it has shaped his perspective on faith and leadership. This episode is a compelling exploration of God's provision, the power of vision casting, and the significance of culture in advancement work.It would be so helpful if you would take a moment to rate and review the show - thanks in advance!Have an idea for a guest or topic? WE WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU!Contact us!on Instagram @ its.not.about.the.money.podemail us: provisio at provisiofundraising.comTHANKS FOR LISTENING!

Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here!Join Heather and co-host Jenn as they conclude their mini-series on the unique considerations of support raising in ethnically diverse communities. In this episode, they are joined by Beth Smith, interim MPD director with BSM in Texas. Beth shares her extensive experience in fundraising within the Baptist Student Ministry and the insights gained from supporting a diverse staff. From understanding the cultural nuances of different communities to creating effective resources, Beth sheds light on the importance of listening, learning, and adapting in the fundraising process.It would be so helpful if you would take a moment to rate and review the show - thanks in advance!Have an idea for a guest or topic? WE WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU!Contact us!on Instagram @ its.not.about.the.money.podemail us: provisio at provisiofundraising.comTHANKS FOR LISTENING!

Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here!In this fifth episode of the mini-series, Heather and Jenn are excited to welcome Jeremiah Vaught, who, along with his wife Maysa, has been deeply involved in ministry and church planting in Chicago. Jeremiah shares his journey from the initial days of fundraising to planting a church in one of the most diverse zip codes in the nation. He discusses the cultural nuances of fundraising, the challenges of asking for support within different communities, and how their entrepreneurial ventures have supported their ministry. It would be so helpful if you would take a moment to rate and review the show - thanks in advance!Have an idea for a guest or topic? WE WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU!Contact us!on Instagram @ its.not.about.the.money.podemail us: provisio at provisiofundraising.comTHANKS FOR LISTENING!

Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here!Join Heather and special co-host Jenn as they continue their mini-series focused on fundraising considerations from ethnically diverse backgrounds. In this episode, they are thrilled to speak with Dennis and Evangeline Chow, who are currently serving in the Philippines. The Chows share their unique journey from college days at Penn State to their impactful ministry at Faith Academy, where they support missionary kids. They delve into the challenges and joys of fundraising within Asian American communities, highlighting the cultural nuances and relational dynamics that shape their support-raising efforts. From overcoming initial fears to embracing a partnership development approach, Dennis and Evangeline offer invaluable insights and practical tips for thriving in support-based ministry.Tailored FundraisingIt would be so helpful if you would take a moment to rate and review the show - thanks in advance!Have an idea for a guest or topic? WE WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU!Contact us!on Instagram @ its.not.about.the.money.podemail us: provisio at provisiofundraising.comTHANKS FOR LISTENING!

Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here!Join Heather and co-host Jenn as they continue their mini-series on fundraising in ethnically diverse communities with special guest Chay'vion Carter. Chay'vion, who has been working with Campus Outreach at the University of North Texas since 2021, shares his unique journey of raising support from a Black church context. From the initial challenges of fear and doubt to the practical steps that led to his success, Chay'vion offers invaluable insights and encouragement for anyone navigating the complexities of support-based ministry.Chevion opens up about the importance of preparation, the role of community, and the power of relational wisdom in fundraising. He also discusses how his personal experiences, including his upbringing and family dynamics, have shaped his approach to ministry.Funding TribeCampus OutreachIt would be so helpful if you would take a moment to rate and review the show - thanks in advance!Have an idea for a guest or topic? WE WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU!Contact us!on Instagram @ its.not.about.the.money.podemail us: provisio at provisiofundraising.comTHANKS FOR LISTENING!

Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here!Join Heather and co-host Jenn as they dive into the unique challenges and opportunities of support raising in ethnically diverse communities with special guest Becca Acuna. Becca, who has been working with Texas BSM in San Antonio for the past five years, shares her journey from nursing to campus ministry, the cultural nuances she navigates in Hispanic communities, and the relational dynamics that shape her fundraising efforts.Becca opens up about the initial struggles she faced, the cultural filters that influenced her approach, and the importance of relational work in Hispanic culture. She also discusses the role of mentors and coaches in her journey, and how open communication and prayer have been pivotal in her support raising process.Listen in as Becca recounts heartwarming stories of God's provision, the importance of community, and the lessons she's learned along the way. This episode is a treasure trove of insights for anyone involved in ministry fundraising, especially those working in multicultural settings.Mentioned in today's episode:Funding TribeThe God Ask by Steve ShadrachIt would be so helpful if you would take a moment to rate and review the show - thanks in advance!Have an idea for a guest or topic? WE WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU!Contact us!on Instagram @ its.not.about.the.money.podemail us: provisio at provisiofundraising.comTHANKS FOR LISTENING!

Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here!Join Heather and her new co-host, Jen Smith, as they kick off a mini-series focusing on support raising in ethnically diverse communities. Jen shares her unique journey from high school fundraisers to long-term missions in China, and the cultural nuances she navigated within Korean American churches. Together, they explore the generational shifts in the Korean church, the importance of relational fundraising, and the power of being sent by a local church.From personal anecdotes to practical advice, this episode is packed with insights that will resonate with anyone involved in support-based ministry. Whether you're just starting out or are a seasoned fundraiser, you'll find valuable takeaways to ground you in God's call and His promise to provide.It would be so helpful if you would take a moment to rate and review the show - thanks in advance!Have an idea for a guest or topic? WE WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU!Contact us!on Instagram @ its.not.about.the.money.podemail us: provisio at provisiofundraising.comTHANKS FOR LISTENING!

Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here!Join Heather and Andy as they kick off a new mini-series focusing on support raising in ethnically diverse communities with a compelling conversation featuring Brandon and Cat Samuel from Wycliffe Bible Translators. They delve into the Bridge Program, an initiative aimed at bringing more diverse staff into global missions, and share their unique journey from atheism to a Christ-centered mission life.Brandon and Cat reveal how they transitioned from traditional jobs to fully embracing their calling in missions, highlighting the challenges and blessings of support-based ministry. They discuss the importance of representation in the mission field, the innovative approaches to fundraising in minority communities, and the spiritual formation that comes with relying on God's provision. This episode is a must-listen for anyone involved in or considering support-based ministry, especially within diverse cultural contexts.✍️ Episode ReferencesWycliffe Bible TranslatorsPerspectivesVanguard of a Missionary Uprising by Michael FarrisThe Spirituality of Fundraising by Henri NouwenThe God Ask by Steve ShadrachMore Than Money, More Than Faith by Paul JohnsonAfrican-Americans in missionsRebecca ProttenGeorge LieleBetsy StocktonLott CareyMaria FearingIt would be so helpful if you would take a moment to rate and review the show - thanks in advance!Have an idea for a guest or topic? WE WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU!Contact us!on Instagram @ its.not.about.the.money.podemail us: provisio at provisiofundraising.comTHANKS FOR LISTENING!

Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here!Heather and Andy are joined in the RECAP by Jess and Bo Bissell, support raising coaches from Pioneers. Jess and Bo share their unique journey from missionaries in Japan to coaching new and seasoned workers in partnership development. They open up about their experiences, the challenges of rejuvenating fundraising efforts, and the importance of spiritual health in the process. The conversation delves into the fears and misconceptions surrounding support raising, the role of gratitude, and the necessity of community and prayer. It would be so helpful if you would take a moment to rate and review the show - thanks in advance!Have an idea for a guest or topic? WE WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU!Contact us!on Instagram @ its.not.about.the.money.podemail us: provisio at provisiofundraising.comTHANKS FOR LISTENING!

Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here!In this episode, Heather and Andy are joined by Callie Davis from the Via Generosity team to delve into the crucial aspect of spiritual health in support-based ministry. Callie shares her journey from growing up in a support-raising family to her current role in creating resources for partnership development. The discussion highlights the importance of gratitude, community, and God-centered focus in the fundraising process.From recognizing early warning signs of slipping spiritual health to practical disciplines for maintaining it, this episode offers a wealth of insights. Callie emphasizes the significance of seeing God's work in the mundane and the power of community in overcoming the isolating nature of support raising. Whether you're new to fundraising or a seasoned veteran, this conversation is packed with encouragement and practical advice to help you thrive in your ministry.Via GenerositySupport Raising SolutionsThe Spirituality of Fundraising" by Henri NouwenGod's Presence in 40 Devotionals" by Scott MortonEvery Moment Holy" by Douglas Kaine McKelveyIt would be so helpful if you would take a moment to rate and review the show - thanks in advance!Have an idea for a guest or topic? WE WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU!Contact us!on Instagram @ its.not.about.the.money.podemail us: provisio@provisiofundraising.comTHANKS FOR LISTENING!

Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here!In this episode of "It's Not About the Money," Heather and Andy are joined by Dr. Mandy, a newly minted Doctor of Education in Organizational Change and Leadership from the University of Southern California. Together, they recap the insightful conversation with Josh Lindstrom, focusing on themes of endurance, intentional rest, and the nuanced challenges of support-based ministry.Dr. Mandy shares her extensive experience from 20 years in overseas support-based work, discussing the importance of "heartitude"—an attitude of the heart—in organizational change. She also delves into her doctoral research on the impact of COVID on Christian cross-cultural workers in China, highlighting the need for organizational resilience in times of global crises.The episode explores the concept of Sabbath, both as a community practice and a personal discipline, and how intentional rest can be crucial for sustained ministry. Heather, Andy, and Mandy discuss the balance between overwork and surrender, the importance of communicating with supporters, and the often-overlooked ministry in mundane, everyday actions.Listeners are encouraged to reflect on their own practices of rest and intentionality in their work, and to consider how they can better support themselves and others in seasons of endurance.It would be so helpful if you would take a moment to rate and review the show - thanks in advance!Have an idea for a guest or topic? WE WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU!Contact us!on Instagram @ its.not.about.the.money.podemail us: provisio@provisiofundraising.comTHANKS FOR LISTENING!

Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here!In this episode, Heather and Andy welcome back Pastor Josh Lindstrom, teaching pastor at Woodman Valley Chapel, to discuss the critical theme of endurance in fundraising. Pastor Josh shares insights from his own ministry and the biblical story of Elijah, highlighting the importance of rest, perseverance, and trust in God's provision.From exploring the innovative "Year of Sabbath" at Woodman Valley Chapel to unpacking the highs and lows of Elijah's journey, this episode dives deep into the spiritual and practical aspects of maintaining endurance in support-based ministry. Pastor Josh also addresses common struggles, such as the temptation to interpret negative circumstances as signs to give up, and offers practical advice on setting measurable goals and celebrating small victories.It would be so helpful if you would take a moment to rate and review the show - thanks in advance!Have an idea for a guest or topic? WE WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU!Contact us!on Instagram @ its.not.about.the.money.podemail us: provisio@provisiofundraising.comTHANKS FOR LISTENING!

Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here!In this episode of "It's Not About the Money," Heather and Andy are joined by Danielle Nelson, a seasoned project manager with extensive experience in mobilizing and coaching people in support-based work. Together, they recap the enlightening conversation with Bryn and Christine, who shared their unique perspectives on short-term fundraising from their respective stages in life—one in college and the other established in her career.Danielle highlights the transformative power of the gospel in fundraising, emphasizing that it's not just about the money but about the impact on both the fundraiser and the donor. The discussion delves into the importance of storytelling, the contagious nature of anxiety, and the necessity of personal, one-on-one conversations in successful fundraising. They also explore practical tips for using technology, the significance of maintaining dignity in storytelling, and the benefits of starting the fundraising process early to build anticipation and engagement.This episode is packed with insights and encouragement for both new and seasoned fundraisers, reminding listeners that while fundraising can be challenging, it is also a sanctifying process that aligns with God's provision and purpose.It would be so helpful if you would take a moment to rate and review the show - thanks in advance!Have an idea for a guest or topic? WE WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU!Contact us!on Instagram @ its.not.about.the.money.podemail us: provisio@provisiofundraising.comTHANKS FOR LISTENING!

Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here!In this episode of "It's Not About the Money," Andy welcomes special guest co-host Sarah Macy, who steps in for Heather. Together, they delve into the intricacies of short-term fundraising with guests Brynn Holtmeyer and Christine Campanella. Brynn, a junior special ed major at Concordia University, and Christine, a seasoned elementary math teacher, share their journeys in mobilizing support for their respective trips. The conversation covers the challenges and rewards of fundraising, the importance of storytelling, and the role of humility and community in the process. Whether you're a college student or a seasoned professional, this episode offers valuable insights into making fundraising a meaningful act of worship.Joshua ProjectCanvaStratusIt would be so helpful if you would take a moment to rate and review the show - thanks in advance!Have an idea for a guest or topic? WE WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU!Contact us!on Instagram @ its.not.about.the.money.podemail us: provisio@provisiofundraising.comTHANKS FOR LISTENING!

Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here!In this episode, we recap our insightful conversation with Amy Young, founder of Global Trellis. To help us unpack the profound topics discussed, we are joined by Bernie Anderson from Growability. Bernie brings his extensive experience in business development and cross-cultural work to the table, offering a unique perspective on the challenges and opportunities in the fundraising world.It would be so helpful if you would take a moment to rate and review the show - thanks in advance!Have an idea for a guest or topic? WE WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU!Contact us!on Instagram @ its.not.about.the.money.podemail us: provisio@provisiofundraising.comTHANKS FOR LISTENING!

Have an episode idea or feedback? Text us here!In this episode, Heather and Andy dive into a profound discussion with Amy Young, founder of Global Trellis and co-founder of Velvet Ashes. Amy shares her extensive experience in support-based ministry, spanning nearly three decades, and her insights into honoring humanity in the fundraising process.From the challenges of maintaining personal well-being while serving abroad to the nuances of navigating supporter relationships, this episode explores the complex realities of ministry work. Amy emphasizes the importance of acknowledging our human needs and incorporating them into our fundraising efforts. She also discusses the results of a recent Global Trellis survey, revealing the hidden struggles of cross-cultural workers and the gap between senders and goers.Join us as we uncover the significance of embracing our humanity, the value of vulnerability, and the necessity of creating margin in our lives to sustain long-term ministry work. Whether you're just starting out or have been in support-based ministry for years, this conversation offers valuable insights and practical advice for thriving in your fundraising journey.It would be so helpful if you would take a moment to rate and review the show - thanks in advance!Have an idea for a guest or topic? WE WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU!Contact us!on Instagram @ its.not.about.the.money.podemail us: provisio@provisiofundraising.comTHANKS FOR LISTENING!

We are joined by Amy Young of Global Trellis as we recap the Halligan episode and talk about the multifaceted reality of transition and disruption. It would be so helpful if you would take a moment to rate and review the show - thanks in advance!Have an idea for a guest or topic? WE WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU!Contact us!on Instagram @ its.not.about.the.money.podemail us: provisio@provisiofundraising.comTHANKS FOR LISTENING!

When life "throws a curveball," how do we navigate the unexpected challenges that shake the foundation of our plans and partnerships? In this episode, we explore the profound impact of life's unforeseen events on support-based ministry. Join us as we sit down with Seth and Megan Halligan, who share their transformative journey from serving overseas to facing a life-altering family crisis. Through their story, we delve into the significance of established communication, the power of a supportive network, and the grace of navigating partnerships amidst personal upheaval. It would be so helpful if you would take a moment to rate and review the show - thanks in advance!Have an idea for a guest or topic? WE WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU!Contact us!on Instagram @ its.not.about.the.money.podemail us: provisio@provisiofundraising.comTHANKS FOR LISTENING!

There was a lot to unpack in Carolyn Kellam's episode on domestic fundraising. We've already heard from listeners that it was an impactful and helpful topic to explore! Listen in as Heather and Andy share their biggest takeaways.

Most support concepts are applicable no matter where you serve, but there can be unique factors when raising support for domestic ministry. We are joined in this episode by Carolyn Kellam of the Navigators. Carolyn currently serves as the Manager of Staff Funding and is responsible for the training for all Nav staff. She also helps lead the IEdge program.

We are joined in this episode by Michelle Goodman. Week after week, we are so encouraged to hear people expound on what they heard AND bring additional perspective and wisdom. Michelle did that and brought some gems of her own into this recap.

In our media and marketing-driven world, people -- as consumers -- can become quickly disenchanted. In fundraising, we want to strike a balance between being prepared and not "performing."  Travis Cottrell joins us in this episode and highlights the importance of authenticity in approaching others and inviting them into partnership.This year, Travis will celebrate a ministry milestone: 25 years of serving alongside Beth Moore as worship leader for Living Proof Ministries. Travis also currently serves as Worship Pastor at Brentwood Baptist Church in Brentwood, TN.Travis' website

Life, leadership, and fundraising coach Wes J. joins us for our recap of the conversation with Rebekah C on using your unique strengths in fundraising! If you would like to connect with Wes about coaching, send us a direct message at our instagram (its.not.about.the.money.pod). Take the Strengthsfinder test! Let us know how it plays out in your fundraising!

Last season, we took a couple of episodes to explore the Enneagram for insight into ourmotivations and how we show up uniquely in the world (and in fundraising). Today, we're turning to another tool meant to help us identify our natural talents and leverage those for our good and the good of those around us – you might be familiar with it -- the Strengthsfinder.Our guest today is a certified Strengthsfinder coach and has a contagious excitement for blossoming the unique strengths we each bring into life and ministry. We won't have enough time today to do the Strengthsfinder justice; but, we hope this conversation launches you toward developing and embracing your own strengths!Clifton Strengthsfinder

Kyle W. joins us in recapping our episode with Mindy Caliguire and builds on the helpful principles Mindy put forward from his own training in care of the soul from Biola's Institute for Spiritual Formation.

What does it look like to have a healthy soul? Our guest today wrestled with this question and found answers in the midst of her own season of burnout in ministry and fundraising. Mindy Caliguire offers vision and practical encouragement for you as you persevere in your own ministry and fundraising. Mindy is the co-founder and president of Soul Care. In the past, she has served in executive leadership at Gloo (www.gloo.us), and the Willow Creek Association (now Global Leadership Network). She speaks and advises into organizations including Compassion International, ECFA, National Christian Foundation, and many churches and ministries across the US and beyond. Mindy's books include Discovering Soul Care, Spiritual Friendship, STIR and Ignite Your Soul (September '24).The Soul Care website has a wealth of resources available - including free assessments and courses (like the Confronting Burnout course we mentioned). Check it out!

Patty S. (season 2 episode 4) joins us again to recap our conversation with Dr. Jolly Johnson on the Choice City Planner. We explore the many ways this tool helps us be intentional with this one life we are given and talk about it's use more specifically in fundraising.

One of the common refrains we hear in the work of fundraising is, "There just isn't enough time to do it all or to do it well." Our time and attention are precious resources.Our guest today, Dr. Jolly Johnson, found himself -- ironically -- with too much time on his hands and set out to develop a resource to use it well. He created the Choice City Planner first for himself but made it available to others as well.The Choice City Planner was created to help you identify and achieve what matters most so you can thrive and be a blessing. Do you feel overwhelmed by all the things you have to manage and accomplish? This planner was created to help you cut through the clutter and make progress towards the things that matter most.In our conversation with Jolly, we hit on what it looks like to identify what matters, make plans with intention, and build life-giving habits. These are timely skills that help us balance the elements of ministry and partnership development and stay emotionally healthy.Want a sneak peak at the planner? Head over to our insta - @its.not.abou.the.money.pod  and send us a DM!Choice City Planner (there is also a hardcover version)Keith Webb Coaching model

Hannah O. joins us and shares passionately and  vulnerably about her own disruptions and tensions with family as she has launched into support based ministry. 

Many in the North American church "get it." They have context for support-based work and see their part in it... but many don't.Today's episode is actually in response to a question from a listener. "What do you do when your family isn't supportive, when they tell you that you should get a 'real' job?"Spencer and Annette Nicholl have been support-based workers for over thirty years, but the early days of their journey were not smooth.  They humbly share their experiences in navigating an unsupportive family and community while maintaining a resolved trust in God's goodness.Spencer and Annette now live and work in Colorado with Big Horn Ministries - a ministry they founded to provide care for ministry workers.

In this first recap  of season 3, Corrie brings a wealth of perspective into our discussion of Drew Remke's episode focused on partnership with the local church. Corrie lived and worked in support based ministry for just shy of a decade before moving back to North America where she currently works  in the marketplace as well as serving as a fundraising coach and a member of her church's mission committee.

We are kicking off season 3 with a timely discussion on the importance of launching into ministry with the holistic support of a local church - a body of believers that you are committed to and that know you well.  Joining us for this discussion is Drew Remke.Drew Remke is the Vice President of Church Partnerships for Pioneers USA. Pioneers is a global movement people seeking to glorify God by planting churches among the least reached places on the planet. Drews team works primarily with the 3400 sending and supporting churches of the Pioneers USA members. The team strives to create meaningful partnerships with local churches, to strengthen them in their attempts to fulfill their role in reaching the unreached. Before leading the Church Partnerships Team, Drew and his family spend 12 years in the Arabian Peninsula serving in different roles. He planted and pastored multiple international churches, established several small businesses, created leadership development programs for members of the organization as well as overseeing missionary teams across the Arabian Peninsula. Jordan is currently a student at Liberty University where she is completing her master's in clinical and Mental Health Counseling. After 12 years on the field in which saw an average of 300 nights a year of overnight house guests, it became clear that counseling was not only a gift but a calling. Before serving overseas Drew and Jordan were founding members and staff of Redeemer Church of Lubbock, which has sent more than 75 people to the nations in its first 15 years of existence.

One of our top 3 guests (per downloads!) joins us again in our final episode of 2023 to look back over the conversations we've had this past year and talk about what is still sticking with us as we head into 2024.Fun fact - the P.G. episode WAS number 6. This fact will make sense after listening in:)Towards the end of the episode, we announce our first GIVEAWAY! More details can be found in the last 5 minutes of the episode.We will be taking a short beak for the holiday season and will be back late January to kick of season 3!Mentioned in this episode:Spiritual Warfare - Karl Payne Article on 2023 Giving TrendsArticle on Missions in a Post-Covid World

Lauren K., CEO and co-found of Rebuild, joins us for today's recap with admirable conviction and compelling perspective.