Podcasts about WS

After humbling ourselves last week by wearing our Ls, Brian (@ffjunkie_) and Josh (@Rotonaut) reclaim some self-esteem this week by celebrating our Ws. It's another fun Saturday night hang. Make sure you subscribe to the @GoingFor2Live podcast feed (and rate and review), and catch all our shows live on the Going For 2 YouTube channel. Thanks for listening!

First correction - the Astros bullpen pitched 26 innings out of the 54 IP by the Astros in the Series not 54. In addition to winning their 2nd World Series in the past 6 seasons, the Astros had the 2nd biggest season win differential (105) than their WS opponent Phillies (87). Still if not for an amazing clutch catch by Chas McCormick the narrative of this series might have been different. This is our last episode of season 3 and going forward we will post every two weeks during the 'off-season'Please subscribe to our podcast and thanks for listening! If you have a suggestion for an episode please drop us a line via email at Almostcooperstown@gmail.com.  You can also follow us on Twitter @almostcoop or visit the Almost Cooperstown Facebook page.  If you can please give the podcast 4 or 5 star rating! www.almostcooperstown.com

-Dumbfu** of the week: Ferrari Team Principal, Mattia Binotto. Since he said “There's no reason Ferrari can't win the final 10 races” Max has won all of them but 1 race where Checo won -W of the week: Mattress Mack for winning the largest legal payout in sports betting history. Placed $10M on Astros to win WS and won $75M -Officially the last time Daylight Savings is in effect. Take that Benjamin Franklin -Andor and Tales of the Jedi deeper discussion --What's New in Music? Diddy buys Cresco Labs and Columbia Care Inc. to become the largest black owned Cannabis company for a reported $185M RIP Aaron Carter Drake & 21 Savage - Her Loss Joji - Smithereens Gorillaz - Baby Queen Selena Gomez - My Mind & Me --Sports Nike suspends partnership with Kyrie amid his hate speech spreading NFL week 8 update Colts hire Jeff Saturday as interim Head Coach LeBron James is a pathological liar and must be stopped Bama gets bounced again -Top 3 of the week: HoTD characters -Dean's Fact of the Week: 41 -Who's Horny of the Week?: Drake for posting anime heavies on his story

The MLB Gambling Podcast drops its final episode of the 2022 season! Malcolm Bamford, Dylan Rockford, Munaf Manji, and Noah Bieniek recap the Houston Astros winning the World Series. Munaf discusses the excitement in the city of Houston and how the city is rallying. Next, the guys recap their season division picks and goes in-depth of which picks they were wrong about and why. Later in the podcast, the guys discuss their very early 2023 WS picks. Malcolm gives out a 75/1 longshot pick which makes you scratch your head! SGPN Merch Store - https://sg.pn/store Download The Free SGPN App - https://sgpn.app Check out SGPN.TV   Support us by supporting our partners WynnBET - Bet $100 and get a $100 FREE bet! - https://sg.pn/WynnBET Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Former MLB infielder, WS champion, and current Houston Astros Analyst Geoff Blum joins the show after the World Series victory parade in Houston.

As founder of VICE and the Proud Boys, Gavin McInnes is no stranger of being deceptive with WS. He may fool others into thinking the Proud Boys are just frat boys having fun trolling. But, with their violent anti-Black rallies, we know they're not trolling... #Swarthywars Find us @ http://swarthynerd.com/ https://twitter.com/swarthynerd Email us at... swarthynerd@gmail.com Yuki's Social Media https://www.facebook.com/yukithesnowman/ https://yukithesnowman.com/ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnW2H7VD6ahR4xXPba-DYLQ https://twitter.com/weebtrashyuki Cash App: $BenjaminASnow Tv Guru's Social Media https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxRviGx_yUWnDD0oABAT85g https://mobile.twitter.com/superlostfan108 Cash App: $lostfan108

6.33 congratulates the Astros for winning WS 2022 (0:39), dives into the bet box (2:33), and reviews Trevor Rogers (28:42).

The Dallas Mavericks defeated the Brooklyn Nets for the second time this season and have now won 4 in a row. The team still hasn't reached its final form and a blowout would be nice, but we'll take the Ws. The team now sits at 6-3 as we prepare for round 2 against the Orlando Magic. Reese and Bibs kept it brief in this post-game recap, and you know what the show's main topic was. Enjoy *Bonus* Full Josh Green Post Game Press Conference after the episode. Enjoy! You can always find Bibs on Twitter @Bibscorner and Reese on Twitter and Instagram @MindofReese. Also, subscribe to MindofReese on YouTube. Finally, ensure you're following the show on Twitter @MavsOutsiders and Instagram @MavsOutsidersPod. Use code TBPN on Draftkings.com or hit the sign-up link here: (https://tinyurl.com/DKAMAZE) for a chance to win BIG! Help support the show and The Basketball Podcast Network. If you or someone you know has a gambling problem, crisis counseling and referral services can be accessed by calling 1-800-GAMBLER (1-800-426-2537) (IL/IN/LA/MI/NJ/TN/PA/WV/WY), 1-800-NEXT STEP (AZ), 1-800-522-4700 (CO/KS/NH), 888-789-7777/visit ccpg.org (CT), 1-800-BETS OFF (IA), 877-8-HOPENY/text HOPENY (467369) (NY), visit OPGR.org (OR), or 1-888-532-3500 (VA). 21+ (18+ NH/WY). Physically present in AZ/CO/CT/IL/IN/IA/KS/LA(select parishes)/MI/NH/NJ/NY/OR/PA/TN/VA/WV/WY only. $200 in Free bets: New customers only. Min. $5 deposit. Min $5 pregame moneyline bet. $200 issued as eight (8) $25 free bets. Bet must win. Ends 11/20/22 @ 8pm. Stepped Up SGP: 1 Token issued per eligible game. Opt in req. Min $1 bet. Max bet limits apply. Min. 3-leg. Each leg min. -300 odds, total bet +100 odds or longer. 10+ leg req. for 100% boost. Ends at start of final game of the 2022-2023 NBA Season. See eligibility & terms at sportsbook.draftkings.com/basketballterms. You can now purchase the Mavs Outsiders hoodies at the Mavs Outsiders Shop on Etsy. You can also help the show by leaving a 5-star review on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. We appreciate every listen and, of course, every review. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The MLB Gambling Podcast drops its final episode of the 2022 season! Malcolm Bamford, Dylan Rockford, Munaf Manji, and Noah Bieniek recap the Houston Astros winning the World Series. Munaf discusses the excitement in the city of Houston and how the city is rallying. Next, the guys recap their season division picks and goes in-depth of which picks they were wrong about and why. Later in the podcast, the guys discuss their very early 2023 WS picks. Malcolm gives out a 75/1 longshot pick which makes you scratch your head! SGPN Merch Store - https://sg.pn/store Download The Free SGPN App - https://sgpn.app Check out SGPN.TV   Support us by supporting our partners WynnBET - Bet $100 and get a $100 FREE bet! - https://sg.pn/WynnBET Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The ground may freeze and the plants stop growing, but there’s no “off season” for good agronomy. Just because the crop is in the bin, doesn’t mean we should stop thinking about how to improve production. The way to do that, says Leighton Blashko of BASF, is to think of the 5 Ws of planning... Read More

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Today on Picks Central, the fellas kick the week off with a bang as we have Brandon Walker, Smitty, Marty Mush, Big Ev, and White Sox Dave in studio breaking down what exactly happened to The Phillies in the WS, and does Dusty Baker deserve all this credit? College Basketball is also back, and the guys break down their favorite picks today, and of course we build The Picks Central Parlay+ ahead of tonight's MNF matchup between The Ravens & The Saints.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/pickscentral

NFL Thursday Night Football Ratings Are DESTROYED by MLB World Series! Amazon Loses By 5 MILLION! Phillies are taking on the Astros which was opposite Eagles vs Texans. The WS is on Network TV (NFL used to be) and the TNF game was on streaming. --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/blackandwhitenetwork/support

- THE ASTROS ARE PLAYING FOR A WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP TODAY!!! - JV gets his first WS win - Peña continues to shine - DEFENSE holds it down - Framber looking for history - Much, much more Spotify: http://spoti.fi/3QiVk67 Apple: http://apple.co/3oCbLyA

On this week's episode, I'm previewing the Tennessee/Georgia game, the Astros are just one win away from a WS title, the Eagles improve to 8-0, and Kyrie Irving is suspended by the Nets.  --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/this-week-in-sports/support

Felipe and Sean are back again as we break down some of the top performers from the '22 ALCS and NLCS as well as the first two WS games! With the season's end fast approaching Felipe and Sean also discuss some of the more radical and boring ways to improve baseball in the future! You can catch the Total Bases Podcast live on Sunday mornings over at the Baseball Life Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1350488401713664 Hosts of the Total Bases Podcast can be reached at the Baseball Life Facebook group as well as on Twitter Felipe: @pathological_h8 Sean: @SeanFlannery13 Austin: @Round_Trippers

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Bryce is here on your Friday Eve! Hawks got a big win last night, but is Trae going to miss any time with his injury? Braves are winning some season accolades, but does it mean much since they didn't win the WS? We're almost half-way through the PAFL season, how's Bryce's division picks looking? We head over to the Marine South Scoreboard for all the News, Notes & Scores from around the area, hit up the Stump It Games & Events Calendar & wrap up with Another Cup of Coffee presented by Realtor Hannah Strawn.

7:00 - Astros make history after no-hitting the Phillies to tie the WS up at 2-2 going into Game 5 and the Blues try to shake off their 5-game losing streak tonight against the Islanders 7:15 - Sick of it!! 7:30 - Greg Asminger on the anti-climatic celebration of a combined no-hitter, if he's sticking with Phillies-in-7 and the move he's predicting for the Cardinals offseason 7:45 - TIOLI 8:00 - Fresh Take: Are the Eagles about to make a run at the third ever 16-win regular season in NFL history? 8:15 - John Kelly talks about the Blues reaction to the Army & Berube comments and his expectations for the Islanders matchup tonight 8:30 - The Fight 8:45 - Do we think Dan Snyder will actually sell the Commanders? 9:00 - Today's Big Thing: The forwards have been the big topic over the last few days and after ROR's comments from practice--what do you expect to see from the Blues tonight 9:15 - Blues insider Jeremy Rutherford talks about tonight's line changes ahead of the game and his expectations for a Blues turnaround 9:30 - YKMS 9:45 - Greg Amsinger is predicting Trea Turner to the Cardinals--how down are we for that?

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In this episode, Chris will dive into Life Habit #5: The power of praying God's Word. Learn how to amp up your prayer life. Show Notes & Links: -What are the "5 Ws" you need every morning? (5 minutes is all you need) -How God leads us to pray His Word into our spiritual life. -Use the five prayers of renewal from Psalm 143 as an example of the powerful prayers in God's Word. -Why we need to personalize our prayers. -How to understand what we're praying for and identify what "scriptures" to pray into our lives. Links: -Click to start here if you're new to the study. The first episode of The Journey Back to Your Heart. -Learn more about the 5 W's in our original study, Building A Legacy of Faith. The paperback is on sale on Amazon for $4.99 Click here to find out more. Scriptures in today's episode: -Hebrews 4:16, Matt. 6:9, 1 Thes 5:16-18,1 John 5:14, Psalm 143:8-10, Heb. 4:12 List of Paul's prayers for your reading and study: Romans 15:5-6 Romans 15:13 Eph. 1:17-19 Eph. 3: 15-19 Php. 1:3-6 Php. 1:9-11 Php. 4:6-7 Col. 1:3-14 1 Thes. 5:23-24 (benediction) 2 Thes. 1:11-12 2 Thes. 2: 16-17 (benediction) Philemon 4-6 Check out our Women Finishing Well Facebook here. You can email Chris at chris@womenfinishingwell.com if you have any questions or would just like to say "hi."

Chris Rose and Trevor Plouffe breakdown game three of the World Series and get you all set for game four tonight with the Phillies having a 2-1 lead! Timestamps below: Use code JOMBOYPLAYOFFS for 10% off on your next purchase at SeatGeek* https://seatgeek.onelink.me/RrnK/JOMBOYPLAYOFFS Head over to https://mugsy.com for up to 30% the entire site 00:00 INTRO 00:46 Phillies hit record 5 WS homers in game three win 07:01 Was Lance McCullers tipping pitches? 12:54 Christian Javier vs Aaron Nola 17:02 Is game four bigger for the Astros or Phillies? 22:09 Rhys Hoskins' wife buys Phillies fans beer?

Download the top-rated DraftKings Sportsbook app NOW and use promo code JOMBOY! Sign-up Now at https://draftkings.com with code JOMBOY Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro 02:20 - WS game 1 recap/reaction 05:45 - Philly celebration song origin 08:20 - probable starters for game 3 13:25 - Starter performances in game 1 and 2 14:40 - Maldonado illegal bat 23:10 - Lance McCullers predictions 27:50 - Game 3 predictions 34:32 - Aussie Lingo If you or someone you know has a gambling problem, crisis counseling and referral services can be accessed by calling 1-800-GAMBLER (1-800-426-2537) (IL/IN/LA/MI/NJ/PA/WV/WY), 1-800-NEXT STEP (AZ), 1-800-522-4700 (CO/NH), 888-789-7777/visit http://ccpg.org/chat (CT), 1-800-BETS OFF (IA), 877-8-HOPENY/text HOPENY (467369) (NY), visit OPGR.org (OR), call/text TN REDLINE 1-800-889-9789 (TN), or 1-888-532-3500 (VA). 21+ (18+ NH/WY). Physically present in AZ/CO/CT/IL/IN/IA/LA(select parishes)/MI/NH/NJ/ NY/OR/PA/TN/VA/WV/WY only. New customer offer void in NH/OR/ONT-CA. $200 in Free bets: New customers only. Valid 1 per new customer. Min. $5 deposit. Min $5 wager. $200 issued as eight (8) $25 free bets. Ends 9/19/22 @ 8pm. Early Win: 1 Early Win Token issued per eligible game. Opt in req. Token expires at start of eligible game. Min moneyline bet $1. Wagering limits apply. Wagers placed on both sides of moneyline will void bet. Ends 1/8/23 @ 8pm ET. See terms at sportsbook dot draftkings dot com slash football terms.

The Iowa State Cyclone Football team seems to have the same problem that reared it's head again this past weekend. In this episode we talk more about college football, add an item to our Things Football Players Shouldn't Do list, talk about the NFL, MLB, briefly on the NBA, and of course our signature segments! Music: www.purple-planet.com

EP298 - Amazon Q3 Earnings Episode 298 is a recap of Amazon's Q3 2022 Earnings Report. Episode 298 of the Jason & Scot show was recorded on Friday October 28th, 2022. http://jasonandscot.com Join your hosts Jason "Retailgeek" Goldberg, Chief Commerce Strategy Officer at Publicis, and Scot Wingo, CEO of GetSpiffy and Co-Founder of ChannelAdvisor as they discuss the latest news and trends in the world of e-commerce and digital shopper marketing. Transcript Jason: [0:23] Welcome to the Jason and Scot show this is episode 298 being recorded on Friday October 28 2022 I'm your host Jason retailgeek Goldberg and as usual I'm here with your co-host Scot Wingo. Scot: [0:38] Hey Jason and welcome back Jason Scott show listeners Jason wouldn't be a Jason Scott show if we didn't have a Little Star Wars talk I have a confession, I'm really digging and or I think the rest of the Star Wars universe is out there hating on it but I'm really enjoying it I really I liked the character from Rogue one and it's been fun seeing kind of a slower more character-driven Star Wars so have you had a chance to watch that at all. Jason: [1:07] I have I have and I'm with you now I'm not sure I was with you at the beginning it took me a little while to warm up to it. But definitely the last three or four episodes have been a lot more engaging so now I'm eager for the next episode to come out. Scot: [1:24] Yeah and then when I haven't seen it it's getting a lot of buzz those tales of the Jedi which this is kind of from the right before A New Hope ERA with and or and then tells of the Jedi goes back to the prequels so talking about some of the characters there and then clone wars and stuff so that's on my list of things I'm going to do this weekend. Jason: [1:41] Fun I watch the first episode of that this won't be a problem for you but we're like oh cool another animated Star Wars series this would be great to watch with our seven year old and it's. A little dark it's a little it's a little adult for a seven-year-old. Scot: [1:57] Had to fast forward some places. Jason: [1:59] Yeah we had to be ready. Scot: [2:01] Well thanks for joining us everyone we wanted to talk to this is the you know we're in this critical part of the retailgeek calendar where we're barreling towards Halloween we got Q3 behind us and we're were basically into the holiday season so we wanted to update everyone on some of the releases that came out here from the big companies specifically Amazon we're going to take a deep dive into that but I always think it's interesting to kind of see the setup longtime listeners will remember that one thing I think both Jason are proud of is we identified at Apple's changed privacy called IDF a some people call it a TT I'm just going to call it I DFA to keep it simple as this huge problem that no one was willing paying attention to and we are still feeling the ripples for that. What's been Jason two years now two years later 18 months. Jason: [2:51] Yeah it's crazy. Scot: [2:52] Yes so it's gotten it's gotten really crazy so so this the lead up to Amazon started with Snapchat as if we clean does and I say this I've said this for the last three quarters. Horst the so not only do their you know they had this period of time where they felt like they had stabilized but it's very clear the management team has no idea what's going on with idea if a they don't have a solution in Wall Street has kind of lost all. All hope and then their quarterly calls are just total Bedlam like it's a nothing I've ever seen before so. [3:24] If you're an entrepreneur and want to see what a reason not to go public go to listen to one of the Snapchat Wall Street colors they do not go well. [3:33] And then so that was that was kind of a bit of a train wreck but not surprised that this kind of like the third Trainwreck so you're kind of used to it I think the one thing that started the spook Wall Street was Google came out on the 25th and they basically their results were below expectations and they YouTube specifically they have their segments we talked a lot about the Amazon segments but they have a they have a search segment a third-party search segment like a first party search didn't call this but they have the I guess they call it the network which is Google off of Google so that would be like the Apple search experience that they have the Google search experience than they have the YouTube and all these other things within the alphabet family well the YouTube one is under a lot of pressure and it's not really clear it feels like it's duly suffering from idea of a problems like advertisers are not being able to track the efficacy of those YouTube videos anymore but then also The Tick-Tock you know so you would know better than I do I only have one 16 year old and a ten-year-old nice to reference but seems like everyone under a certain age and even over, even creeping into our age group is just spending hours of looking at Tick-Tock videos so that has become a huge problem for YouTube because there's only so many hours in the day and if you're looking at Tik-Tok videos during all of them you're not watching YouTube do you have any insights into the tick tock world. Jason: [4:57] Yeah no I actually think it might be interesting to explore a Tick-Tock deep dive in an upcoming episode because it it really is the social platform that feels like it's grabbing all the oxygen right now I thought the audience engagement is way up there's you know there's been a bunch of interesting Evolutions about segments of the audience that are using Tik-Tok is their primary search engine which is interesting and surprising I think to a lot of people Google is certainly trying to position Tik-Tok search is a viable competitor to Google which you know might have be true have be. Antitrust and then. Also true that we have been on these recent studies recently that a lot of Millennials are using Tick-Tock primary as their primary source of news so that's another. You know Factor but it's just winning a lot of entertainment minutes right now. Which also by the way means it's winning a lot of advertising dollars because the advertisers want to go where the engaged eyeballs are. That's been a big thing. Scot: [6:06] Yeah the other thing that's interesting and I didn't put this in the show notes just occurred to me both Android and Apple are seeing softness in their App Store revenues. [6:16] Specifically in the game segment so there's two schools of thought there one is there's so one of it is the idea of a his rippled into that where the games are not getting as many new customers because they're not running as much advertising because they can't measure the efficacy of it this one's interesting because this could be an indication apple shot themselves in the foot with IDF a most impact we've talked about on this show have been beneficial to Amazon where you know crushing Facebook or hurting Google that's obviously kind of you know those are the Nemesis nemus I the Nemesis of of Apple but this is one where you're starting to see it actually impact them in I think they called their services Revenue so that's one school of thought the other school of thought is in a yeah I don't give us enough data on this is that know it's Tick-Tock because people are just sitting there watching so many technical games it's replaced deployment of casual games so people aren't paying playing these addictive little Candy Crush type games and Clash of Clans there they're watching The Tick-Tock videos so so it's interesting to watch these consumer behaviors are changing very quickly in this post covid World in interesting ways and it's hard to tease out exactly what's going on but there's definitely you know some some big changes out here that I think will Ripple into our listeners in the retail e-commerce world as well. Jason: [7:38] Yeah it is I do think both of those things are factors I also think there's another interesting. Thing happening with the the game revenue from the app store's I feel like their history is repeating itself a little bit, if you're super old-school like you and I you remember all the old console-based Wars right like Nintendo vs. Sega and Atari and in television and one of the themes that played out on those platform things is. Often one of the platforms would be super open and invite a bunch of Publishers to make it really easy to publish titles and so there would. Bi huge dearth of titles but they would mostly be of low quality and then another platform would make it really hard to publish titles which would really restrict the. The amount of titles that were available but they tended to be better and over the history of video games the latter strategy has always won, that way when you have too many crappy titles eventually like the audience is get disenfranchised and they leave the platform. Does feel a little bit like that is what's like the App Store Revenue became so lucrative for these guys that they made it super easy for everyone to bring titles there's no more discovery on the platform because there's the signal-to-noise ratio is so poor that the only way you would discover a new game title would be via. A Facebook ad which no longer works right I can sew it all of this is kind of coming to roost it feels like. Scot: [9:03] Got it yeah the and then so that got everyone kind of wonky and then Facebook / meta did their release and that was just that was that went from their last Q2 was kind of concerning and then this was kind of a train wreck so there expenses are running rampant they are spending a lot of money on virtual reality and they're seeing no revenue from that that revenue is way off where it should be they are announcing they announced like did you see this the pro headset which is like twelve hundred dollars and it can track your your arms and feet and even your facial expressions or something it's super fancy but. You know they're not seeing any engagement from people buying the Oculus I guess they don't call that anymore buying the devices and. [9:52] The Medical West buying the medic West or any of that kind of stuff so then you would think they would get on there and say alright Q3 was rough we're going to we're going to moderate this going into the queue for they're like nope we're going to double down and it's got actually get worse in Q4 so that that freak people out Jim Cramer on CNBC MSNBC Junkie, he had the previously days he said that you know he predicted they would come to their senses and do a little layoff and this kind of thing and it was the opposite and he got on TV and apologize to the viewers and got kind of emotional there so that was that was interesting and you know day there they seem, totally distracted by the metaverse and not really didn't really have much commentary around ads it's off a fair amount they're due to IDF a as well and then. A bright spot was then yesterday morning so this is Thursday morning Shopify announced and they had a little bit of positive news what did you see there Jason. Jason: [10:51] Yeah yeah they actually had a meet and beat all around, the you know revenue is up 22 percent. You know there's a bunch of different metrics at Shopify these days because they have like the recurring Revenue they have the attachment sales attachment sales were are particularly interesting in this is, how many of the various Shopify Services each Merchant uses so are they using shop pay are they using Shopify fulfillment the the POS system all these things in the the attachment rate went way up which is encouraging for Shopify and the Marquee number is probably total gmv going through their system and that was up by 11% so it was 46 billion dollars for the quarter, um and you know the Shopify is really been beaten up the last few quarters in and you know had a lot of down quarters and a lot of it was like, e-commerce got overhyped and Shopify overbuilt and now that reality setting in they're getting creamed and so they're the the guidance was pretty low and Shopify had a pretty solid quarter and sailed by it so I think their stock has had a nice little boost as a result of that. Scot: [12:12] In shopify's coming out liar because they do this pre-market announcement which is kind of the new fashion because there's so many companies that do aftermarket that you don't get the analysts that you want on your call so they've moved to kind of a morning, announcement so they did Thursday morning and then that set up Amazon it wouldn't be a Jason Scott show without. Marker 01 Jason: [12:31] Amazon news your margin is there opportunity. Scot: [12:43] Well that other way the way I would characterize this one is a missing lower so from a Wall Street perspective they're always kind of thinking how did you do against our expectations for the current period and then how did you do for our forward-looking expectations so so Amazon missed current and then actually lowered kind of missed the future as well. Let's dig into it there's mostly mostly a lot of headwinds which does not bode well for an e-commerce or retail holiday here in the fourth quarter but let's dig into it and there are some there are some positives in here that will pick out so also as we record this the stock's down 10% which you know Amazon is one of the largest capitalized stocks out there at over a trillion dollars so 10% is a hundred billion dollars in so a lot of a lot of money sloshing around and it was. Jason: [13:33] It's like two Twitter's. Scot: [13:34] Yes yeah it is. [13:36] Good enough and if it's down to Twitter's today and it was down as much as 20 percent in after-hours trading so so really really kind of a tough report here the other caveat before we dig in is I don't know if most people track this because unless you went on an international trip or had some international business you would know but one theme we're going to talk a lot about is Europe so your how's the. Geopolitical issues with the Ukrainian situation there and then they have an energy problem because they get most of their energy from Russia so they're having energy, it also are suffering from similar inflation trends that we're seeing there's a worse because the energy is orders of magnitude worse than we see here in United States that has created a currency fluctuation very unusual so so it used to be that. You know dollar was worth euros worth of many dollars and now that is inverted or like parody there and the pound is these currencies are at. Multi-year multi-decade lows versus the dollars so the problem when you're like Amazon and you have a pretty big chunk of your Revenue coming from International entity like that when you compare your periods it creates a financial Exchange headwind. I will report all these numbers without that but it is created you know the absolute dollars of Revenue and whatnot are off even more due to that currency headwind that that's out there. [15:04] So let's look first it Revenue. Revenues came in at 120 7.1 billion Wall Street was expecting a hundred twenty seven point four billion so that point three billion was the myth that's three hundred million dollars that's. Into to that Ridge retailer that's pretty cataclysmic that's actually pretty small from a personal standpoint and you know I think if you looked at the financial exposure and whatnot it largely can be explained there the one of the bright spots will talk about is North America Revenue so this could actually bode well for listeners that are have almost just pure United States exposure the revenues were up 20 percent year over year which is pretty impressive in an acceleration from last Q which was 10% now they did have a this right Jason they had a prime day that that was that was an October 1. Jason: [15:54] Yeah I think that's going to be in the queue for numbers. Scot: [15:56] Yeah okay so that's without. Jason: [15:57] And and we don't call it Prime day we call it early Prime axis. Scot: [16:00] Yes the thing that we will not be called printing the artist previously known as permanent so so that was good and then you tracked e-commerce data closer than I do that that's got to be. Pretty significantly above the Census Bureau data right. Jason: [16:16] It's it slightly above that so we don't have Q3 e-commerce data yet so we only have that non store. Sales data and it's it's in line with an OnStar sales data but the e-commerce data is usually a little lower so next month will get that and I do have a feeling that. Amazon's Q3 is going to outperform the the industry's e-commerce. Scot: [16:42] Yep and then where is retail where did retail end. Jason: [16:46] Pretty high also the this I'm going to buy time while II. Pull up my number but this is kind of the so year-to-date retails up 9.1%. So I didn't I didn't do a Q3 breakout but. Overall spending in North America by consumers has remain robust which like has shown up in the Amazon earnings and shown up in the. The Shopify earnings which is you know I think somewhat surprised a lot of people because with all the the economic news people are kind of expecting that consumers would tighten their belt and it seems like they've changed what they spend on but they're continuing to spend so far. Scot: [17:34] Yeah yeah so that's that's right spot and then to kind of pair that in with a dark spot International revenues were down 12 percent and that's when you take out the impact of foreign currency so Europe is definitely in what I would call an e-commerce / retail recession you know have a lot of empathy for folks their power bills are just surging and they're having to decide you know do I do I pay my for my heat or do I buy a pair of shoes online or whatever it is so so I think we're going to have really rough q4q on here for anyone that has exposure to Europe now Amazon to their credit did manage their expenses and beat on the bottom line here so it was less they were able to kind of take this downward Trend and manage their expenses and so it wasn't a. Double A Miss Revenue Miss profit so it was a Miss on Revenue lower Revenue than expected but then also they kind of made it up Bob with efficiencies that being said you know it's a this is pretty interesting so so FedEx is one of the first companies kind of say hey we think we're heading into a global recession then everyone else said we don't see it and then so this is another data point that kind of says yeah there's something really going on and we're really starting to see it in the data here so Jason: [18:50] And you know there was a Jeff Bezos tweet like a week or two ago that was like kind of his own POV and I think it was batten down the hatches. Scot: [19:00] Yeah yeah so you'd imagine being on the board he sees the other thing that's interesting with these big companies as they get a fair amount of time to do this you know so we're. You know they've got another month of data that they're looking at so that we'll talk about the fourth quarter so there's reading the body language it feels like it's getting worse so we'll talk about that but on the bottom line so all that was the top line and kind of the interior parts of Revenue let's look at the profitability operating income came in at 2 .5 3 billion versus 2.94 billion so that's a point for billions of 400 million which again isn't isn't a massive number but percentage-wise it's about a 15 to 20 percent Miss so that. [19:42] Really big percentage Miss on the bottom line of expectations so yeah so that's the you know it was a Miss on the top line Miss on the bottom line so so overall Miss and then we'll talk about the lower I did see a couple interesting details the two I picked out that I'll kick it over to you Jason third-party unit so this is a metric that's near and dear to my heart hit a new high of 58 percent of units so one of the things I I in my mind that Amazon has a sliver that they can pull and send more dual s1p and more 3p if they want to drive profit over Revenue so that there's a trade-off there higher they have a high margin high margin low Revenue high margin business High Revenue low margin business and they can kind of like dial between those and it feels like that pulled that dial over towards the 3p side that could also be supply chain issues there's a million things that go on there the thing that was interesting is Amazon goes through these what I would call invest in Harvest cycles and during covid they invested a major amount they almost doubled their fulfillment for, and today they signaled the Wall Street in Q2 that they were going to go through kind of a harvesting phase where they were going to stop adding capacity in fact they've actually. [20:56] You know they've shut down somewhere houses they sold some so that they've actually started this this kind of, harvesting mode from all that investment where that's reflected is in the symmetric they release called shipping expenses which they measure as a percentage of online store revenues it was 37.2% and that's an improvement this quarter over last quarter's 37.9% so that's pretty impressive especially you know the sales grew through there so so to be able to grow the 20% we're talking about and reduce expenses is very impressive on the call they said that they were able to squeeze out a billion dollars in operation Improvement in the quarter and that they were pretty excited about that but they actually felt like they had missed their tear internal goal by 500 so we're going to do 1.5 billion and they came out with a billion so I suspect we'll see some of those things come in the fourth quarter they did say that that thing that we will not call Prime day cause I was a little bit of a challenge because you know they are so you're sitting there and you're like putting the screws to things and you're really figuring out and then suddenly you have this day where you have a record number of orders come through and it that makes it hard to do so they that was a speed bump in that, any other little tidbits you saw in the big picture before we dive into some of the other pieces. Jason: [22:11] Yeah mine we're probably a little more frivolous frivolous than yours but we always talk about you know how Amazon hates the profitability metric and they you know they talk about Gap profitability not being. Like that relevant and how much more that Jeff Bezos likes free cash flow well another example of that hitting home for me was in this earnings call they kind of talked about the last couple quarters of, of their profitability and what a huge impact, the value of the rivi on stock was on it and it like literally was like the most influential thing in whether you know they they were profitable or not, and so you know rivi on had a better quarter this time than last quarter and so that that materially changed Amazon's profitability. So it's just it's funny because they're they're not solely owned by Amazon but the Amazon is a major investor like that that's a. Kind of X Factor and their earnings that may have been previously obvious to you but then the way more important one. So you know the their first season of rings of power wrapped up two weeks ago and everyone in the entertainment industry has noted that they really haven't come out and bragged about any audience measure metrics from that show. And we know Amazon likes to brag about its winds so the assumption is that it was a little underwhelming from a performance standpoint and then in this earnings. [23:40] They reference that they got nearly a hundred million viewers for the show so that probably means they got less than 90 million viewers or they would have just said 100 million but well, generously say they got a hundred million views eight episodes of the show that means they averaged about 12.5 million viewers per episode and to put that in perspective HBO has said they got to north of 29 million. Views per episode of House of the Dragon so. You know compared to a normal TV show those are all good numbers but these are you know the world's most expensive TV show so it does seem in this first season that HBO is better at getting an audience for their. Their Blockbuster TV shows then then Amazon is so far. Scot: [24:29] I've heard better I haven't watched either I'm saving them for a holiday binge but I've heard more positive Buzz of from House of dragon than the rings of power but I don't know. Jason: [24:40] Yeah I mean I think both are totally watchable I enjoyed both there's this weird don't you know there's people that have such a love for the the. Both Worlds that you know the TV shows fall fall short of people's expectations and so I like I have a feeling for like huge. Um you know Cannon lovers of Lord of the Rings that like you know they might have been a little extra disappointed but if you kind of just come into it cold and say hey is this a good. Piece of of fantasy fiction and is entertaining to watch I thought it was pretty good. [25:16] And then the last thing and you alluded this little bit the early Prime access is not in the Q3 numbers but they do reference it in the earnings and. It was a a successful event like it's very clear that it did not. Come close to approaching the level of success that Prime day typically has or even that the prime day in October a couple years ago had. Um and you know so there's been a lot made a lot of media has written about oh it's a failure because it's not another huge. Spike like Prime day I'm not actually sure that was the bar or the goal you know Amazon like every other retailer has a lot of imperfect inventory at the moment and I'll and it seems like they got a chance to sell through a lot of that at this event and so like you know I think. How you judge that event has a lot to do with what you think the success criteria of the event was but that that's another sort of tidbit like they certainly didn't come at you know if it had been a home run it would have been one of the top Six Bullets at the at the beginning of their their earnings press release and it was not. Scot: [26:30] Yeah this this kind of goes to the changing consumer Behavior another thing that didn't chat with you before we prepped his again I watch a lot of CNBC. Jason: [26:40] Audience members are going to be surprised to find out that we ever prepped. Scot: [26:43] Are very light prep the both CEO of hurts United and of think it was American or Delta Airlines they'll talk about these new patterns they're seeing and travel wear and then there's not a great name for it yet but what's happening is people will go on a personal or a business trip and they're staying longer and because so many people are working working you know remote they'll go and do they'll go on like let's say you had a business trip somewhere you and your significant other could go to that and then have fun and then stay three more days into the next week so what used to be like little snack size trips like two or three-day trips both for personal and business have turned into these six eight ten day type trips. Jason: [27:29] Yeah it's work Leisure I'm naming it but yeah. Scot: [27:32] Yeah there you go so you know so then people are spending a lot more money on that which I think could be part of you know people only have so big a wallet and whatnot so yeah so it's gonna be interesting to see how this holiday sets of it's going to there's so many changing behaviors I it's going to be a lot to pick out of this one. Jason: [27:54] Yeah no for sure I do think. Again you know people are talking about all these economic headwinds you ordinarily that slows consumer spending way down so far we haven't in North America seeing, consumer spending slowdown but what they've spent on has toy changed a your point it is still more. Sort of like experiences and pent-up demand for things that people weren't able to do, during the height of the pandemic and it is you know they're spending more of their wallet on on needs instead of wants as the needs have gotten more expensive due to inflation so write to me the most common story we're hearing is. Revenue looks pretty strong but profitability really sucks because we're we're selling the wrong stuff and we don't have enough of the right stuff in stock. Scot: [28:42] Yeah nursing will you dug into the AWS and adds what did you see there. Jason: [28:49] Yeah well you you mentioned up front that the stock the Amazon stock really took a hit after the earnings and it feels like that was two things. Their guidance that we'll talk about in a minute but also. I think the street was really spooked by the kind of slowing rate of growth of AWS you know for a long time a device has been the crown jewel of Amazon. In terms of you know a big Revenue number that's growing super fast and is wildly profitable, so AWS sales for the quarter where twenty point five billion which is a big number that's up 27 percent or 20 percent of you adjust for currency which again. Like. In most cases you go to someone and say hey you've got a highly profitable twenty billion dollar quarter business in a grew by 27 percent this year from last year how do you feel about that, you feel pretty good but wall Street's expectations were that they would grow by more than 32 percent. And so it was like a significant Miss and if you know you look at the recent history of growth of AWS I mean you go back to 2021 it was. Thirty-seven percent growth 39 percent growth 40% growth 3733 and now 28 this is the first time it's dropped into the 20s and so I think there's a real fear on the part of investors that like. [30:11] Is the law of large numbers finally starting to catch up with this business and do you know do investors have to reset expectations about. What a WS can contribute to the pot going forward. Scot: [30:25] You lot of people have been predicting a slow down there because of the larger law of large numbers but it's always sad when it happens. Jason: [30:32] Yeah yeah and I don't know what the answer is because I'm on one hand it seems totally intuitive that it would slow down it's such a big business. That there is a strong argument that as much money as that generates it is shocking what a small percentage of the world's compute is. Cloud still and so it doesn't there it's easy to craft an argument. That we're still in the first inning of the world migrating to the cloud and so a hypothesis is not that like. The fast run rate for these cloud services is over but that businesses spending to move to the cloud has slowed down because of the economy right and that you know as as. The there's more economic dark clouds you know Amazon has certainly cut back and and tried to contain cost every other company in the world is doing that and often that means, that migration to the cloud project that they were planning you know has to take a backseat so so some of that could be in there as well. Scot: [31:35] Yeah and I saw. In the called excited energy cost so AWS also had some pressure on the bottom line and they cited energy cost and then I got to imagine this European recession you know the a lot of the the energy around a WS comes from startups and startup formation as always. Low during recessionary period step yes so if we do get a global recession it's going to be under pressure but I think the long-term addressable market for it's just massive so we'll see. Jason: [32:06] Exactly but the good news for Amazon is they secretly have a better business than in the US which which is the bloody ads business right and so we've talked about this for a couple quarters you know this used to be buried and other that you know a couple of quarters ago they had to disclose it for the first time. Um and you know so it was another good quarter. For the ads business it grew 25% 30% of you adjust for currency. So they sold 9.5 billion dollars worth of ads this quarter. Which is not as big as a WS but the margins for ads are way better than the margins for AWS because you mentioned you know the cost of goods for an ad is essentially zero. But there's very expensive electricity required for each unit of compute that a WS cells. So you add up the last four quarters of the ads business and it's now a 36 billion dollar business. [33:11] Which is another remarkable business I've done the math of a foreign of you kind of you know impute income from from AWS and ads ads has already surpassed AWS in terms of total. Income contribution. One slight wrinkle for our listeners in the world of retail and commerce right now like one of the top topics that keeps coming up over and over again as retail media networks every, every retailer has seen this Amazon business and they're launching their own version of it call the retail media Network and investing heavily in it. And every brand is struggling with how to deal with all these retail media networks and if they're a good investment and how to deal with them so that. It's a huge topic right now and I would just point out that well. [34:02] The bulk of Amazon's ad business is a retail media Network Amazon is bigger than a retailer right and so. The ads Revenue the Amazons talking about does include. Thursday night football and Lord of the Rings and you know at which in a lot of other things that Target does not have right so I just. Want to remind people that it's not really apples-to-apples to compare. You know Amazon's you know kind of 40 billion dollar annualized run rate against. You know and say that gosh if if they're getting you know this many dollars per. / retail gmv dollar than everyone else should be getting the same because it's not really Apples to Apples. Scot: [34:54] On the Amazon ads I saw this interesting article was titled Google's pain is Amazon's gaining which I thought was cute and it talked about how if you annualize that you know this is a 40 billion dollar line for Amazon which makes it a third the size of Facebook now and a sixth the size of Google so we've we've we've on the show we've been talking about this and I remember when it passed Snapchat and then Twitter so it's really there's a day where it could close in on Facebook because it's, the Amazon site is growing very rapidly Facebook seems kind of lost in the jungle focused on virtual reality and not fixing their core business so those lines could cross pretty quickly which would give us this new duopoly of Google and Amazon as which three years ago if we had said that people would have thought were crazy. You think we're crazy but yeah it's crazy. Jason: [35:48] It totally could I would say one caveat here there is a big difference at the moment between Amazon's ad business and like meta and Google's ad business. The Amazon still gets a lot of traffic by buying ads on Google, so you know that that the other big ad platforms are all organically earning their traffic and then they're monetizing it Amazon does kind of by eyeballs at wholesale from Google and then sell them retail to two brands on Amazon so there is a bit of Arbitrage that's happening there now as they create more, loyal Amazon Prime customers and more you know viewers of all their Entertainment Properties that you know it'll be more apples to apples but and I haven't looked this quarter but last quarter you know they you know on a or a quarter ago it on an annual basis they spent about 17 billion dollars on ads so. The the bottle out of traffic that they then result. Scot: [36:50] Cool so that that kind of wraps up our Q3 highlights so then let's zoom out and at the top I mentioned you know that Am That Wall Street looks at kind of the current quarter in the future quarter so that was Q3 so it's kind of a miss and then the whenever a public company like this updates the current quarter they also update our outlook for the future quarter which in this context would be fourth-quarter calendar fourth quarter so Amazon guided to 142 148 billion for the quarter so that would imply about it 4.8 percent year over year growth at the midpoint, now they don't give us guidance on North America international so there's imagine inside of there you would still see North America growing. [37:32] Fifteen to twenty percent and then you know the non North America they called the non-domestic business having a headwind and that's where you get this 4.8 would be the Delta there. But what's really bad about that is Wall Street prior to this report had thought they would do 155 billion so let me say those numbers clearly Wall Street thought that Amazon would do 155 billion in in fourth quarter and now they're saying basically 144 so so that was a pretty big lowering of expectations and then also on the bottom line Wall Street thought that would do five billion of operating income and Amazon said well 024 the midpoints to that's a change of three billion dollars so Wall Street didn't like that but you know if you're if you're you know jassy and you're running this thing you want to lower expectations because it makes it easier to beat them in the long run if you part of the Amazons DNA is to be a much longer thinking kind of company so you, typically if that's how you think you'll take some short-term pain for long-term gain so you know some folks feel like, maybe the kitchen sink this thing and they knew third quarter wasn't going to meet what everyone wanted say thought this is a great time to go ahead and rip the Band-Aid off and really lower into the fourth quarter other people look at that body language like I mentioned and they say wow. [38:48] You know it maybe it got worse especially in Europe in the fourth quarter and maybe that's what caused them to really kind of Ratchet this down we won't sadly we won't know until January February when they release their results but you can count on us here at the Jason Scott show we're going to be tracking the holiday we have some really great content planned for you this is when we kick into overdrive and really track things going on so we have a lot of content there but it's not a great set up heading into the holiday would you agree with that Jason. Jason: [39:15] Yeah I definitely think this is a strong warning sign for people that are bullish on the the holiday, I do you know kind of overall I looked at this whole thing and I say you know as an interesting earnings call. Not a heck of a lot in this earnings call was. A result of internal stuff going on in Amazon that like it very much reflects the macroeconomic trends that. That are happening to Amazon and those same macroeconomic trends of course. Happened to everyone else as well so it's interesting you know Amazon has become a very useful sort of. Indicator for where the economy is going and you know the economists have been arguing quite a bit about where it's going so it's interesting to see some data. [40:14] Yeah so this is where we will leave it today if this was valuable for you we certainly would love it if you jump on. To iTunes and leave us that five-star review make sure you've got your podcast player dialed in to download our new episodes because you're not going to want to miss. Some of the the play-by-play of holiday. Scot: [40:39] Thanks for joining us everyone we hope all of your holiday Q4 results exceed your expectations and. Jason: [40:46] Until next time happy Commercing.

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We've had you on a few times and we love having you every single  [00:06:27] Julie: time. Well, the feeling is mutual. Mar, I love being here.  [00:06:31] Maren: Thank you so much. Okay. So I really wanna talk about your book that actually came out quite a while ago, but you and I have both been so busy that we haven. [00:06:41] Able to make time to talk about it, but I'm so excited to talk about your book Raising Critical Thinkers. And we talked a little bit about it maybe on your podcast last time. Yes, yes, Yep. But I just, this was before, I think we read your book though. You were still writing it and we've now since read it and love it. [00:06:59] And I'm just [00:07:00] wondering what made you wanna write this book right  [00:07:03] Julie: now? Specif. Yeah, that's such a fun question for me to answer because you have to go all the way back to the 1990s to answer this question. Mm, okay. Yeah. It really started with the dawn of the internet . So in like 19 95, 96, when the worldwide web was crawling out into the space, homeschool parents in particular were. [00:07:25] We're like the first people to barge through those doors. We were so isolated. Yeah. , there were about 800, right? There were about 800 Absolutely. Thousand families who homeschooled back then in the United States today there's 3.2 million, so that's, That's amazing. A sizeable growth. And we did not have a means. [00:07:41] Of connecting except in local communities. Mm-hmm. . And so you can imagine the numbers were small. You know, you might, in your community have five or 10 people you know who homeschooled. Right. Some people had no one. So we all hopped online. Yep. In these couple of major sort of homeschool watering holes. [00:07:58] And to be fair to [00:08:00] the movement, the truth of the movement at that point is that it was. Yeah, we were white. Yep. Mostly conservative. Politically and religiously. Yep. And heterosexual and married. Right. So that was the demographic, like 98%, 99%. So I imagined we would get on these discussion boards and we would really like each other. [00:08:21] You know, I, I had been to park days. People are friendly, you know, occasionally they mention your child misbehaved, but nobody's getting into big fights about politics at a park day. Sure. And yet I get on these discussion boards and while there's plenty of friendliness, plenty of good advice. Mm-hmm. , there was also a shocking willingness. [00:08:43] Mm-hmm. to really go to battle. Mm-hmm. over things like oxy Clean, whether or not to breastfeed, Oh no. Whether or not you should potty train your child by age two. And that's the tip of the iceberg. When we got, When we got near [00:09:00] religious discussion, like doctrinal issues or theology, the gloves came off. [00:09:05] Wow. People  [00:09:06] Maren: get really brave, don't they, on  [00:09:07] Julie: those sites? Oh my gosh. And this is before we knew about trolls, so I jokingly say homeschoolers and bena trolling. We used to call it flaming, but it was really just a lot of fighting. And so here's the question that sort of grew inside me at that. . Why does everyone think they're right? [00:09:26] Mm. And why do they assume that all they have to do is state their belief and everyone will agree with it. So there was very little curiosity. It wasn't like, Wow, you're a five point Calvinist. I'm only a three point. I wonder why that is. . No, that is not what happened. It would be things like, you know, Julie, I just think you're wrong here. [00:09:46] The actual true theology is X. Mm-hmm. . And so for me, at the time when I was expecting sort of this homogeneous. Kumbaya experience. It was not that. And in fact, I was [00:10:00] so intrigued by this problem. I started my own discussion board. We called it at the time the Trap Door Society. And the reason it had that name Yeah. [00:10:10] Was that I felt like all these women were performing roles on a stage, you know, parent, wife, educator, spiritual or non-spiritual person, whatever you were. And we had no way of. To nurture the individual person that we were. So I wanted a trap door so we could go beneath the stage and like try on different costumes. [00:10:33] Imagine other points of view, read books that were for our pleasure, not for our children. That's amazing. Yeah. And it was, it was amazing. It was. So that was the.  [00:10:44] Maren: You created that safety. That's that's what it sounds like to me when you're talking about that trap door. That's a place of safety where you can try things on without getting completely reprimanded. [00:10:57] Well,  [00:10:57] Julie: that was the goal. Yeah. It did [00:11:00] not go that way. Oh,  [00:11:01] Maren: okay.  [00:11:01] Julie: So I started this community. Mm-hmm. . There was a lot of love. Mm-hmm. . Mm-hmm. . And there were some, I mean, phenomenal discussions that were life changing for me. I will say that right out of the gate, my parenting, my home education, my outlook on the world was shaped profoundly by that community. [00:11:17] But there was also some battles that literally took me out, like days of crying obsessing over responding, trying to craft the perfect words so no one would be mad and still, Oh, I feel that lacking anger. Early days of the internet. Mm-hmm. the early two thousands. And so that persistent experience of why does everyone think they're right? [00:11:43] Right. Stayed with me. And it got me curious about how we form our thoughts. Why we think, how we do, what we believe about other people who think differently. And I, I just got on this serious mission. I've been studying, thinking for over 20 years. I've been so [00:12:00] fascinated by it. I even went to grad school to try. [00:12:02] Understand how we all think so differently. So yeah, that's really what led me to it. So ironically, it came out during the Covid period, , which is a, an important time to think critically. Oh my gosh. It's almost like, you know, we hit the Zer of trolling and flaming and everything else.  [00:12:22] Maren: And it continues. And it continues. [00:12:24] Like for sure we need to, we need this skill. So what is your definition of critical thinking? Why do you think, Well, I mean, we already talked about why we think it's important, but if you have any other thoughts about that, but just what is it to you? What  [00:12:37] Julie: does it look like? Yeah. Critical thinking for me starts in an unusual place. [00:12:41] Like if you go into the education world and they talk about critical thinking, it's always about analyzing something over. , like a piece of literature, a scientific discovery, a mathematical problem. Yes. But I think critical thinking starts closer to home. [00:13:00] It's self-awareness. It's the capacity to notice your own bias as it kicks into gear, right? [00:13:06] To pay attention to what triggers you to be curious, for instance, about why you think you're right. Yes. And it's doing all that before we extend a similar. Attitude, I guess I would say. Yep. To someone else. So if I know that I have these inherent triggers, biases and proclivities, right? That's also true of the person I'm chatting with. [00:13:30] Mm-hmm. , the cuter. And my job is to at least get to a place of understanding how the jigsaw puzzle of their experiences, education, thoughts, socioeconomics, and identity created safety right for them through this. Because that's what our beliefs are. They are a safety protective shield that keeps who I am free of anyone harming me. [00:13:58] Maren: It sounds to me like you're [00:14:00] talking about self-awareness as being one huge key. Totally of critical thinking it is. And then being aware that this other person is also has this other set of aware, you know, self awareness and maybe not, may not be as aware about those is of those things. And then, oh, it's just the, a higher level thinking here. [00:14:21] You know, I just think when you get in those situations and the. The ability to understand yourself, understand this other person and how you work together, and how it, how it's okay that they're thinking differently and it's okay that I'm thinking differently and we can work together in this way. I mean, it's just. [00:14:38] This is what's so needed in our world today. Can you imagine if E the most powerful people in the world, can't even do this, Julie? No. No. Can you train them ?  [00:14:52] Julie: Well, the problem, the problem I really think comes down to the fact that. There are dangerous [00:15:00] thoughts. Mm-hmm. thought worlds that exist, but the criteria for danger varies community by community. [00:15:06] Mm-hmm. , person by person. So a lot of times when I've done these interviews, people have said, So you're really focused on critical thinking, leading to empathy. And my rejoinder is actually, no, this book isn't about empathy. You may gain some empathy. Sure. Come to a place where you look at your child, for instance, and have more insight into why they hold a view, and it creates a feeling of warmth or compassion towards your child. [00:15:31] Mm-hmm. . Mm-hmm. . But mostly it's about understanding because for instance, we love true crime, right? We're all listening to podcasts. We all do movies, and we are doing it because we are fascinated to understand. Why a person imagines that the best solution to a problem in their life is murder. We're not and and we want to understand it. [00:15:56] That's why we watch. Right. We don't just judge it. We're like, [00:16:00] Well, what factors led that person to thinking, I will have a more beautiful life if I off this other person. What we end up feeling at the end is horror, not empathy. Right. Right. It actually engages our deep morality. We. Wow, these factors are problematic. [00:16:19] This person saw the world in a way that is so different than mine. And then it leads us to ask what I think is a very important question, What is it about that person's perspective that we haven't accounted for? Mm-hmm. in the public square. Yep. So if we think about someone like, you know, just to go for the extreme Hitler and go for it. [00:16:40] Yep. Right. What we have, were an entire population. Of German Christian, middle class churchgoing people. Mm-hmm. becoming persuaded that the solution to their economic crisis was genocide. Yeah. And the question we [00:17:00] have to ask ourself is how did that happen? How did that happen? Yep. Because they were persuaded. [00:17:08] There was a structure and a belief system that they were able to inc. That made them think they were on the moral high ground. And so for me, critical thinking is all of that. It's not just empathy, it's accounting for those factors that may possibly lead us into very immoral and scary thought worlds. [00:17:31] But we do it from a place of. Actual desire for a better world. Right. We're not doing it because we're inherently evil. We're doing it because we think life will be better for us and our people.  [00:17:43] Maren: Right, Right, right. And that's why we need to think critically about our history. That's right. So that we can change it. [00:17:50] does not repeat itself. True. Yep. So true. One of our favorite chapters in your book is probably the last chapter, The Courage to Change Your [00:18:00] Mind. We love this idea. We talk about it a lot as parents. So just sitting with that for a minute, changing your mind. Why do you think that changing your mind is important? [00:18:10] Julie: Well, first of all, the capacity to change your mind shows a certain agility in your own ability to process information. So psychological research shows that psychological flexibility is a key component to a healthy ego. Mm-hmm. and healthy relationships. So if we are hardened or rigid, we actually start to eliminate the capacity to relate to a variety of people, right? [00:18:39] Then what we do is we start shrinking the group until we're in a very small corner of the world, well defended against all the attackers. We become victims, right? Of our own ideology. Mm-hmm. . So the courage to change your mind says, I'm actually related to all of humanity. There isn't [00:19:00] the in group, in the out group. [00:19:01] I'm here to hear experiences, data, research, information that is not like the kind I have and understand how it's shaped these people that I am connected to simply by being a human being. I don't think we think that way very often, but one thing I have not, Is that parents are the most likely to change their spiritual, political, social value beliefs when a child. [00:19:32] Tax them. So you have a child? Oh yes. That's me. Example. Right? Totally, totally. All that story, because I think it's so powerful. Well, there are,  [00:19:40] Maren: there are actually, I mean, there's a lot of things I can't even share right now until my kids are grow, grown up. Yes. Until they've given me permission. But I mean, definitely politically, spiritually so many things. [00:19:51] I actually, I wrote down a few things, things that I've changed my mind on as a parent recently, probably hair color. Tattoos [00:20:00] piercings. Not that I'm letting my kids pierce their or get tattoos, but , like, I've changed my mind on it because just talking about it ha has created this big rift and I'm like, I, Why am I so against the, I mean, why am I so I against this? [00:20:18] I do not know. I honestly don't know anymore . So I had to rethink that. Food choices, TV and movie choices, clothing. What body parts can be shown and not shown. You know, these are things and ultimately school choice. Yes, school education choices. Because, you know, if it were up to me, we'd probably, you know, be doing something very different school-wise right now. [00:20:41] And I'm listening to my kids and they're telling me what they need and I'm like, Wait a second. I you. For a while I was like, No kids, we're doing school this way. This is what I see as the best way . And they're like, Mom, listen to us. We're telling you what we need right now. And I'm, and I had to really [00:21:00] go inside myself and evaluate like, why am I, why are my ideals the boss of. [00:21:08] Their education right now, it's their lives ultimately. And I can, That's right. Yeah. So I can make, Obviously I wanna make safe and good, you know, good choices for them. But there are lots of safe and good choices. I  [00:21:22] Julie: think so. No, that is so beautifully expressed. Mm-hmm. . Because part of what happens is we've already lived through those ages. [00:21:31] We were teenagers and young adults. We have regrets, choices we made that we think, Wow, that was a bad decision. Or I wish my mother had stopped me from doing X. Right. And so we come in with this perspective that somehow we can protect our children from right. Regret, mistakes, getting in car accidents, whatever it is. [00:21:49] Mm-hmm. . And yet it is those very experiences that formed and shaped us into the adults we are today. Right. And when we don't give our children the [00:22:00] agency over their choices to some extent, obviously you have some, some room there, but to some extent, Then they feel the need to react that much harder. Yes. [00:22:11] Because they are testing, not you, but the world outside of your home to find out, am I qualified to be admitted as an adult? Yes. And if they don't have the opportunity to make some of those calls and fail. They will not discover what resources they need. I, I did a podcast interview recently with a mom who was raised in the obedience model as a child. [00:22:36] Mm-hmm. . Mm-hmm. . And she told me she got to young adulthood and thought, But how can I know if I'm making a good decision, where's the authority that's gonna tell me I'm doing the thing? Yep. And so our kids need the, the right. I remember Johanna, she had red. She decided to die purple and the culture, not me. [00:22:57] I was like, That's fine. Yeah. Yeah. , the culture told her, [00:23:00] if you're a redhead, you're not allowed to dye your hair because your hair is too beautiful. You're not allowed to get rid of red hair. Yeah. Yeah. And I remember supporting her and saying, You know, it's your hair. Pick a color. So she went in to get it dye, and even the hair stylist was like, Are you sure? [00:23:18] Yeah. And so the hair stylist refused to bleach the hair. She's like, We'll just put purple on top of it. And it came out black. Okay. No. So she didn't end up with her purple hair. She had red hair and black hair, and then she decided to go full goth to support the black hair, you know, early two thousands, [00:23:36] And I look back on that and I think what an interesting moment for her. Yeah. To assert a desire and have the whole culture oppose her and to keep fighting for it anyway. Like this is what we want. How will they build their self confide? If they never have a chance to encounter opposition, to stand up for what they want, [00:24:00] to find out if it matches what their hopes and dreams were. [00:24:03] They need some of those chances, don't they?  [00:24:05] Maren: They absolutely do, and I think our traditional educational system is teaching our kids to obey, yes, meet the standards, do the thing, and perform and not really think critically about themselves. They, it might be thinking critically. One small topic here, one small topic here, but it's not this all-encompassing critical thinker that, that we're raising, you know, in our education system. [00:24:32] And it's, it's tough because then they go to co, they go to college and, and you know, they might not. Go find the resources they need to do well in college because they haven't been taught to be proactive about those things or to figure out what they need or even to find their passion to find the thing they love to do in the world because they've just learned to go through the hoops. [00:24:53] Go through the hoops, do it, get a job, make  [00:24:56] Julie: money, , a hundred percent. In fact, when I taught at Xavier [00:25:00] University, one of the most glar. and obvious lacks in the incoming freshman was a sense of agency about their own thoughts. Mm, mm-hmm. . So they came in having been trained to write essays and how to even do research online or use the, you know, the library correctly. [00:25:18] Mm-hmm. . Mm-hmm. . But they were always trying to find out, but what did I really wanna hear from them? Yeah. What was the angle I hope they would take? And so we. All kinds of writing activities and writing on the board and small group sharing because my goal, Was to hear something genuine from each student. [00:25:35] I needed to hear how did this idea land for you? And if the idea hasn't landed for you yet, I don't wanna hear from you. Like, don't just turn in an essay. Yes. And so part of the training in high school, especially if you've got homeschoolers in this audience, but even in regular high school mm-hmm. . To give agency to a child's voice, and one of the few ways they can feel [00:26:00] they have a voice is opposing your voice. [00:26:03] So even though you think to yourself, This is a dangerous idea, , I want you to step back and think how cool that they felt that they could take the risk to tell me this crazy idea that I would never want them to believe. Because what they're saying to you is, I'm entertaining. The thought world that counters the moral center of this family. [00:26:27] Maren: Yes. I love that. And actually, that's one of the things I was just gonna ask you about, Julie, because I just watched one of your. Instagram reels about encouraging parents to argue with their kids. [00:26:36] So this, I think this is a great example of  [00:26:40] Julie: encouraging critical thinking. Oh, it totally is. And I wanna give credit to one of my staff members because this morning I was having this meeting with Ramona and Ramona said, Julie, one of my kids is in your brave writer movie class on dystopian movies, and she. [00:26:56] The dystopian genre . And I told her, [00:27:00] Take that class cuz it's gonna have your best writing. Yeah. And so she's in there just hating these movies. They're watching them as a family and having huge arguments about them. And I was like, That totally reminds me of when my kids' dad and my kids argued about Nacho Libre for two long, Oh my gosh. [00:27:18] In the middle of summer, on our back deck after a barbecue, just dissecting the characterizations, arguing over whether or not this was a good movie. And so I think we sometimes forget that kids, they love that idea of being an. They love the feeling of being able to take an adult model of something and then shred it. [00:27:38] My son, Jake, totally, as a great example, he today, just to give kind of context, he's a human rights lawyer who works for the in Central Africa Republic.  [00:27:47] Maren: Wow. So you need to be a critical thinker for, for that job.  [00:27:49] Julie: Oh heavens yes. Went to Columbia Law School. Right. So he, he knows how to think, but I remember in junior or in, when he was a junior in high school, he watched this one movie, Some of [00:28:00] your, your listeners could even look it up. [00:28:01] It's called Zeitgeist. It was a thing in the mid two thousands. Okay. It's basically a massive critique of capitalism and it really does promote sort of a communist worldview and you know, eradicating the monetary system, et cetera. And I remember he came to my ex-husband when we were married, my husband and I at the time, And he's like, Mom, this is how the world needs to be. [00:28:23] But we watched it and his dad was saying to me, Oh no, Jacob's gonna end up in this horrible ti world of weird conspiracy theorists with the Illuminati, you know? Oh, totally. And I said, You know what, Actually, John, this is amazing. Not only is he watching it, he's telling us he's watching it, and he is critiquing the system that feels. [00:28:47] Air, like water. Like he didn't know this was a system Yeah. To critique until he heard there was a critique. Like you can criticize money. What, what a thought. Right. He had never known Right. [00:29:00] To do that. Yeah. And so we just leaned in. We just asked more questions, watched the movie, agreed with what we could raise questions about what seemed inconsistent, but we didn't like attack it. [00:29:10] It was more like, Is that working anywhere in the world? You know, like ask kinds of questions. And he evolved through it. He didn't stay there. Of course, yes. It was like a starting place for critique.  [00:29:22] Maren: I think we have to remember that our kids aren't, aren't going to stay in their thoughts for the rest of their lives. [00:29:28] They are, their, their brains continue to develop and it's really the practice of critical thinking. It's the practice of learning. It's the, the, the practice of curiosity and synthesizing and having conversations and growing. That's what they take. To the next level of their lives. A thousand percent. Yeah. [00:29:49] They don't take this one topic and just, you know, think this is life  [00:29:55] Julie: for the rest of their lives. Well, it's easy to do that experiment with yourself. Yes. How [00:30:00] many of your really hard one positions that you took at age 15 or 18 are still identical with how you think about the world today?  [00:30:09] Maren: I'm so glad they're. [00:30:10] No,  [00:30:11] Julie: No no. And in fact, how many I, I ask this in conferences all the time. So if I have a room of a hundred people, I say, How many of you hold the same exact beliefs as your parents in the areas of sex, politics, education, parenting, and food and exercise? And out of a hundred people, only 10 raise their hand. [00:30:31] Wow. So what you need to know is that same ratio is gonna be true in your family. There might be one kid who. Agrees or aligns with you generally, but there are gonna be a whole bunch who don't, and that doesn't mean you can't have a relationship with them. And it doesn't mean they've abandoned their morals. [00:30:49] It means they're thinking deeply.  [00:30:52] Maren: That is so, so, so true. And I I just think what a skill. What a skill to learn and to not have to be [00:31:00] perfect at when you're 15 or 18 or even probably 21 . I mean, this is gonna take a while. This is not a perfection. This is not something that's gonna get perfected. [00:31:09] Early on and it, it, it might not ever, I mean, this is, yeah, this is a process. I was just thinking today, you know, I , you know, made a few mistakes. I'm 46, so,  [00:31:19] Julie: Yeah. I mean, yeah, I'm, I'm 60. I, I've changed my mind countless times and if, and you will continue to, will continue to, and also you can't anticipate what will become an. [00:31:32] So none of us knew what a pandemic was. None of us knew how to respond to a pandemic. We were all jumping into our communities to tell us, these people are trustworthy. These people are not. This information's reliable, this information is not. Yeah. And we were using our blind loyalty to community to guide us because none of us has the expertise to evaluate. [00:31:57] Pandemics epidemics, vaccines, [00:32:00] public health economics, that are the result of this, you know, guidelines for how you run a company. All of that was suddenly up for grabs. Yeah. And when that happens, we stop thinking critically. We actually jump in with both feet to our safest communities. And what I've had to train myself to do, and this is something I write about in the book, Is notice that, Yes. [00:32:25] So when I'm scrolling through Facebook and some high school person I haven't talked to in 35 years, post an article and I think, Oh my gosh, that is the dumbest article I've ever seen. When I feel that smugness come up, yes, I know. I'm not critically thinking, Yeah, I am self protecting in that moment, critical thinking at that moment is, Oh, this is from someone I don't typically trust. [00:32:48] This is a person I haven't thought about in 30 years. Right. I don't really know what she's like anymore. She thought this was worth posting on Facebook. That's interesting. Mm-hmm. . I wonder what that says about her. I wonder if I've ever read this [00:33:00] article with this writer through the lens of this other person. [00:33:03] What, what might there be to learn? In reading it. Now, to be honest, I can't do that a lot. I, it takes so much energy to do that. But to keep myself honest, I try to do it fairly regularly. I try to give myself access to viewpoints that make me cringe. Mm-hmm. and I don't do it to deconstruct them. Yes, I do it to understand them. [00:33:29] Maren: That is so good. And it's also alternatively, when we, I think read, read articles or listen to something that is from somebody we normally do agree with. Like we, I think we also also have to think critically like, Yep, do I agree with this? Or what part of it is, Do I do I think is, you know, real or you know, is there part, are there parts I. [00:33:49] Push back on a little bit or something. So I think it's so good to do both. Absolutely.  [00:33:54] Julie: Great point, Miller. Yeah.  [00:33:56] Maren: Yeah. Okay. So I wanna go back to some of your work, Julie, because I [00:34:00] know Ev, everything you've always put out there, you've always encouraged us to make it our own. And I think you've, from the beginning, have encouraged us all to think critically. [00:34:09] You've inspired. Us all to do poetry, tea, time, , and I'm not kidding you. I have my oldest reads poetry by herself now all the time, and I, I attribute it all to poetry, tea time. I really do. So that you so much, but I know that you also encourage everyone to make. Their own special thing. So what is, What do you think is the key to those magical learning moments like poetry, tea time, or something else that we  [00:34:41] Julie: have come up with? [00:34:43] I think when we're talking about learning, what we're actually talking about is a meaningful connection or relationship. To what is being learned. And so just to deconstruct poetry tee time for a moment. Yeah. I knew that adults hated poetry , [00:35:00] and for some reason my whole life I've loved it. I think because I'm innately a writer, and so any manipulation of language has been interesting to me. [00:35:08] My mother also gave me a a rummy card game that was all. So when I was young, I knew all the names of poets, which then later made me wanna read their poems. My father, my grandfather, gave me a poetry book that was a, I'll read to you if you read to me book. So I would share it with my brother or a friend who came over, or my mother, and we'd read poems to each other cuz of the nature of this book. [00:35:30] Awesome. So my early childhood was really warm towards poetry and then song lyrics became my obsession. Bruce Springsteen, Jackson Brown, Tom Petty, they all write such great storytelling and such great lyrics. So as I was raising kids, I was disturbed to discover that adults didn't like poetry. Oh. And I was so afraid that would happen to my children. [00:35:53] And I was on this email list back in the day in the nineties, and somebody shared that she was teaching geography to [00:36:00] her kids, but they didn't like geography. So she started making tea and cookies for when they studied geography. Yes. And suddenly they all liked geography. And I was. Well, I can do that. [00:36:11] We, I drink tea every day. Exactly. And so I created this whole British tea time and added poetry to it. And so I think really what we're saying is when something seems opaque or difficult, we want to tie it to something that automatically creates a sense of warmth and pleasure and openness. So I wish someone had done that for me with. [00:36:34] That that did not happen with Math , but with my kids, because it never happened to me with math. Mm-hmm. , I put so much more energy into manipulatives and games and cards and dices. That's so great. Yes. And even though my kids would all say, and they will say this openly, that math was not my strong suit. [00:36:54] What is ironic is all five of them have been very [00:37:00] successful in math and they, they came out, two of them are programmers and three of them did calculus and I mean, that's amazing. You did that. Good job, Julia. I take credit, it doesn't matter what they think. No, but honestly, the early years to me are what were the foundation for that. [00:37:18] And then I hired tutors and they did take some math at school. But my point is, I think what you're asking. How do we create the meaningful sense of connection that makes me warm and open this something that feels intimidating. And for me, that would be a great criteria for creating magic in learning. [00:37:37] Maren: That sounds amazing. I mean, I, I could think about that in every scenario. Like, what is gonna cause this to be a warm. Cozy or warm and safe  [00:37:48] Julie: environment. Yes, and and stimulating enough to be interested, right? So, right. You might make tea and cookies to go with math, but if your child's already resistant or sees no purpose in it, they'll eat the [00:38:00] cookies, drink the tea, and still hate math. [00:38:02] Part of what made poetry special is that poetry's easy. You just read it out loud and everybody finds pleasure. But for something that's more of a struggle, I think part of what we wanna do is admit that it's going to be challenging. Provide a lot of support, create as many real life connections as possible, and then do it in small doses so that we don't create a toxic relationship where we're dreading and it feels tiring and I don't wanna do it. [00:38:31] Maren: I love that. Yep. So, so, so true. Okay, so another thing that we, both Angela and I both love about your book. So many other things that you've created is just the activities, but this specific, this book specifically just has so many practical ideas. And a whole book can be intimidating, honestly. Yes. [00:38:50] Sometimes, you know, but if, if you sprinkled out in, you know, throughout the book so many activities that if we. Just pick a few of those activities. I [00:39:00] mean, it would, it could change our home school and I just love that you did that. Did you, did you know you wanted to share practical activities Yes. And ideas when you wrote the  [00:39:10] Julie: book? [00:39:10] Because I just feel that way about everything. Right? Like, I just feel like. We spend so much time reading nonfiction books for information and ideas, but the practical implementation is where transformation occurs. Yeah, Yeah. And for me, a lot of these practices are things that sort of, I stumbled on with my own kids because I was obsessed with thinking. [00:39:32] Yes, I was obsessed with it. So, you know, in that very first chapter where I'm talking about viewpoint and says who, and you know, are we hearing the fairy tale from the Wolf's point of view or the narrator's point of view, or the protagonist point of view? Yes. The reason that I am obsessed with that is that that is the foundation of all critical thinking. [00:39:52] Whose viewpoint Yes. Am I listening to? And what is the criteria by which they create that viewpoint? Mm-hmm. . So we can start that [00:40:00] at age. Totally. Yeah, of course. We would watch these Disney movies and we would analyze the characters to death. Why do we love Ursula? Even though she's the bad character? What is it about her that's compelling? [00:40:13] Why is she more interesting than the good characters? And why would Disney do that? Right? And then you just get into this conversation. What is her sob story? Do we believe it? Does she have some justification for being this angry? Ooh, that's so great. These are great questions. And honestly, they sort of forecast what they'll be encountering in college when they're analyzing. [00:40:35] Absolutely. Lenin versus you know Decart. .  [00:40:39] Maren: I was just gonna say, because it's really easy at five and. To any age, but especially at five or younger where there's this dichotomy, like you said, bad and good things aren't bad and good, and it's, it's really easy to push that thought through, you know, And it's, that can be very scary. [00:40:59] And to [00:41:00] understand that the bad. The bad guys or bad people in movies may have some underlying things going on. What a great discussion and deep thinking for a five year  [00:41:13] Julie: old that Yeah, and you know, they're, they can do that. They're dealing with siblings. Right. How much bullying happens in a family? [00:41:19] Just an absolute ton. Mm-hmm. . Yep. And so if we are only ever treating people in binaries as bad and good, we can easily harden our own families into the good kids, the not good kids. We start scapegoating a child for being disruptive or picking at each other or being loud, and we start treating that child differently because we see them not through a. [00:41:42] Prism of factors, but only through this lens of obedient or cooperative or, you know, creating pleasure for the adult at ease. Right. Versus the child who's taxing and hard. Right? Totally. Yes. And so that's another reason we do this. We want siblings in particular to see a [00:42:00] 360 degree picture of this child. [00:42:02] They have to share a table with, watch a movie, with share a computer, with go on vacations with Right  [00:42:09] Maren: or parents too. Their view of their. Good parent, bad parent, right? Yeah. And it's easy to just say that  [00:42:14] Julie: you're the bad parent.  [00:42:16] Maren: Yeah. You make me do these things. And there's a lot around that too, that they can, they can think criti critically about, which is awesome. [00:42:23] So if there's one thing parents could implement today right now in regards to raising a critical thinker. What do  [00:42:30] Julie: you think that would be? Oh, I love this question. So I'm gonna give you a little story by way of example. This is a practice that you can try. So a lot of people think critical thinking is like opinions about social issues and politics, but that that is just one feature. [00:42:46] Critical thinking is literally every decision you make all day. Mm-hmm. . Mm-hmm. , Which, you know, which way is the fastest to get downtown without traffic is a critical thinking decision. Absolutely. What to eat for. Do I dessert? First, critical [00:43:00] thinking decisions. What we want to do is invite our children to make more of those judgment calls using their own research and data, rather than usurping that role for them. [00:43:13] So I'll give you a a very clear example. Imagine you have an eight year old, it's time for dinner. Mm-hmm. , you say to that child, Hey honey, it's time to wash your hands. It's time for. And this child who has cooperated with this, you know, command for a year sure. Suddenly says, Yeah, I'm not going to, I don't want to [00:43:30] Most parents have one of two ways they respond. There's the authoritarian model which says you have to cuz I said so, right? Mm-hmm. . So you don't really, you could even give a reason, but mostly you're just like, Dude, I'm the mom. You're not. Go wash your hands. The second way is what I call the manipulative obedience model. [00:43:49] What most periods today call cooperation. And what they do instead of requiring obedience is they manipulate it. So what they say is, Oh honey, you must wash your hands. [00:44:00] They're these things called germs and they live on your fingers. And when you touch the food and then eat it, it will go in your body and make you sick. [00:44:06] This is what science tell tells us. Therefore, you must wash your hands right now. In that second model are very proud of that model. Yes. , they're always like, Oh, I would never ask them to do something. I don't explain , but basically what they're doing is they're giving a bunch of information the child doesn't care about. [00:44:25] Nope. And then requiring the child to accept that as better information then the personal experience they're having right now, which is, I don't wanna wash my hands. Exactly. So what I recommend is this. You can't do this every day. Some days you gotta throw 'em in a car seat without an argument and strap 'em in and go. [00:44:41] Mm. But once in a while, go down the rabbit hole. So when your child says, I don't wanna wash my hands, you say, Oh, well that's interesting. Tell me more about that. Why? Why don't you wanna wash your hands? I don't know. I just don't wanna, Is it the temperature of the water? Let me get a thermometer. [00:45:00] Let's measure the temperature, see which temperature is most comfortable for you. [00:45:03] Ooh, I love that. So you start doing that and the child's like, I still hate it. Oh, okay. So it's not the temperature. Is it the wetness? Yeah. I hate how it feels on my hands. Should we try hand sanitizer or it dries faster? Oh no, that's sticky. Well, that's interesting. So here's where I am. I have this belief about germs, but you don't like washing your hands. [00:45:26] I wonder if there's any other information out there about germs and hands. Mm-hmm. . So you do a little research together online, show 'em, and maybe you discover that heat kills germs. And so you say to your child, How would you feel about not washing your hands? And we just blow dry them with a hot blow dryer, , and the child's like that sounds good. [00:45:43] And so you do that or the child still doesn't want to because here's what might be underlying it, your belief in germ. Is actually not a belief. It's propaganda. You've accepted and here's how I know. Didn't your child just eat Cheerios off the [00:46:00] floor without washing their hands? Right? Didn't you at Target watch the baby, spit out the pacifier? [00:46:05] It landed on the floor of Target, you picked it up, sucked the germs off , and then put that pacifier in your baby's mouth. Do you actually believe in germs or you just doing the parental propaganda program where you pass on information, right? Designed to coerce my child. So what I recommend at that point, Either one of these accommodations. [00:46:27] Okay? We're gonna measure the temperature you like it at, You know, 72. We're always gonna wait till it's that temperature or hand sanitizer, or the blow dryer. Or maybe you just roll the dice. You say, You know what? You're right. I don't even know if I believe my own rhetoric. Should we find out if you get sick? [00:46:44] Are you willing for that to be a possible outcome of this? Let's try it for a week. See what happens. Sure. And then see what happens. Right? Right. Give your child meaningful opportunities to collect data, to ask better questions, [00:47:00] to evaluate their experience. To roll the dice and see what the outcome of their hypothesis is. [00:47:07] Now at the start of covid, could you have done this? No. Right, Because we were terrified and we had information our kids didn't have. So at that point, going online, showing them the germs, explaining how people are in the hospital, giving them a meaningful understanding of why you have this level of fear is a great idea, right? [00:47:26] But on the day to day, That's really not what's animating you. Right? And so I think that's where we have to do a better job of interrogating our own positions and our kids give us a chance to do that.  [00:47:38] Maren: Right. And we have to be also, I think careful about imposing our own expectations on their critical thinking. [00:47:46] That's right. Because a five year old may not, even after all that information and all the testing and all the, everything you've done, they might. Yeah. I still don't wanna wash my hands . Right? Because they're not ready for that critical thinking at in that [00:48:00] moment. That's right at for that thing. And that's just where they're at. [00:48:02] You can't force their brain to develop anymore than where they're at right  [00:48:06] Julie: now. No. And that's where, like Dr. Becky Gooden side, Dr. Becky was, is so right on. I'm reading that book right now. Oh, oh, so good. So good. So when. , ask a child to cooperate with your better judgment. Mm-hmm. , you are spending capital in that relationship. [00:48:26] Maren: You are spending capital. Absolutely.  [00:48:28] Julie: And so that's why we want to make some of these demands fewer, you know, we want minimal demands. Yes. And then we want to explore when we can. A child's opposition because maybe it's just that the child was really engaged in a movie and dinner happened and they don't wanna take the time to wash their hands. [00:48:47] Exactly. And dinner delayed. Can we pause the movie? There could be factors here that have nothing to do with critical thinking about hand washing and just convenience that you are tempted to  [00:48:59] Maren: overlook. [00:49:00] Absolutely. And it it, like you said, it also requires us to do our own critical thinking. That's right. [00:49:05] On washing hands or. Eating at 6:00 PM Why does that have to happen, ? That's right. You know there's so many things we can think critically of, and we can be an example of critical thinking. And while our kids might not be like, Oh, mom, you're such a great critical thinker today, , I'm going to follow your example. [00:49:27] The, the consistent, critical thinking every day is going to pay. Them, You know, witnessing that every day and seeing how you are transforming and learning from your own critical thinking. You, our kids can't really help but do that because  [00:49:46] Julie: that's their example. In fact, I have a great story about this. [00:49:51] My son, Jacob, that I mentioned before, when he was in high school, he got very interested in this one social issue that was on the ballot. I'm not gonna name which one it [00:50:00] was just to keep everyone neutral. Mm-hmm. . And so he came to me and he is like, Mom, I can't vote yet, but I did all this research and I wanted to tell you why I think you should vote pro. [00:50:09] So he went through almost a PowerPoint level presentation. He had data and research in his computer was open. Yeah, it was really ad. He was like 16 and it was really good. And at the end I was like, Jake, that makes a lot of sense. I totally get where you're coming from. Thank you for sharing all that with me. [00:50:26] He says, So are you gonna vote pro? I said, No, I'm still voting Con. Yeah. And his eyes squirted tears. And he said, Mom, I count on you to be logical . And I said, Wow. Well, I appreciate you saying that, and I don't wanna discount what you just shared with me, but you, what you shared with me didn't account for all of my concerns. [00:50:51] It accounted for a lot of concerns you have. It didn't account for mine. But don't worry about that because this is my. And I don't have to agree [00:51:00] with you to appreciate the strength of your argument. And I think over time your side's gonna win. But I haven't personally been persuaded yet. Yep. And it was a very difficult moment for him. [00:51:12] Fast forward, you know, he's 30 and I'm older, and interestingly enough, We have just the best conversations. He ended up being the research validator for this book. I let him look. Wow. I paid him to do it. He went through and made sure that my arguments were actually built from solid foundations of evidence and, you know, make sure I wasn't quoting some spurious researcher who mm-hmm. [00:51:38] who happened to find their way onto a webpage I didn't vet. And so just to show. He saw me as a logical person, first of all. Mm-hmm. . Mm-hmm. , which I think is a beautiful credit. Secondly, we had to learn to live with the tension of disagreement, even when we were both being logical. Yep. And then third, we've built a relationship over time that makes it possible for both of us to [00:52:00] respect our capacity to do research and find answers. [00:52:03] And I think if there's anything I would want for parents, that's what it is. It's not agreement, it's not a. It's this dialogical respect for each person's capacity to show up with their own viewpoint while respecting the other person.  [00:52:20] Maren: It's beautifully said. Julie. Thank you so much, and I think that's a perfect place to stop for today, even though I could talk to you for another hour as usual. [00:52:29] But I just appreciate your insight and your encouragement that, you know, we've always, I've always relied on your encouragement through my whole parenting and homeschool journey, so I just thank you  [00:52:41] Julie: so much. Well, you do a great job both on this podcast and with your family, and so I. That you are continuing to put out such good information to your people as you  [00:52:52] Maren: as well. [00:52:52] All right. Take care.  [00:52:54] Julie: Thank you. Bye.  [00:52:56] Angela: All right. Let's move on to our lt [00:53:00] Ws. Yes. Marron. What are you loving this week? Okay. I am  [00:53:03] Maren: loving a book that I actually happen to talk with Julie about Very Oh, very shortly. I mean, we just like, I think Julie just kind of mentioned it in our conversation. You may have. I picked up on it, but I'm actually reading it right now. [00:53:18] And so it was fun to hear Julie mention it. And it's called Good Inside A Guide to Becoming the Parent You want to Be. And it's by Becky Kennedy, Dr. Becky . And it is just a  [00:53:32] Angela: great it is  [00:53:34] Maren: confirming. All of the, all of the healthy things we want to do in our parenting. [00:53:42] And I wanna say homeschooling too. Yeah. I think this is a great book for homeschoolers. It's just a great book. So I just, I, I can't say enough good things about Dr. Becky. She's my new favorite. . Yeah. I feel like she says things first. I was gonna say Angela, she says things that we. [00:54:00] Yeah, I was first gonna say maybe better. [00:54:03] Mm-hmm. , But actually I'm giving ourselves credit, Angela, and I'm gonna just gonna say, she says it in it with a twist, you know, that's, Yeah. On with her specialty, you know, as a doctor for, And I think we have this twist as a specialty, you know, as parents and educators and you know, we  [00:54:17] Angela: have, but we're, we're really share, We  [00:54:20] Maren: really share so much of the same message. [00:54:22] Yes.  [00:54:23] Angela: And so Good. I'm loving. Yeah. You know, people need to hear things in different ways and from different people and I, so I fully support like different people, books and podcast and whatever. Yeah. But she I have not read her book, but I do want to mm-hmm. because what I've really liked about her is you know, she doesn't profess to. [00:54:45] Always do it right, . Exactly. Yep. And she describes that in the book too for sure. Yes. Like she's just coming from a place of like, Look, I'm in the trenches with you too. Like, I get it. Yeah. Things are triggering, things are hard. And [00:55:00] so she's really Supportive in that way. It feels like it feels reachable. [00:55:04] It feels attainable. Yes.  [00:55:06] Maren: And it is good to hear from, you know, a, a, a doctor, a psychologist, you know, who really understands the brain and how it just very intricately.  [00:55:16] Angela: Yes. And so it is, it's, it's science  [00:55:18] Maren: that this is really good parenting and, and it's effective and it's just healthy. Mm-hmm. , it's just healthy for. [00:55:26] Physically, mentally, emotionally,  [00:55:27] Angela: it's all healthy. . Yeah. And her premises, it's called Good Inside because Good inside. Yeah. Because we are all good inside. Yep. Kids too. We're all like wanting to do our Yes. Do good and do our best, so. Yep. Yeah, so I love that. I love that. Yes. Thank you for  [00:55:42] Maren: sharing that. [00:55:43] Yes, of course. I'm, I'm excited for you to read it. I know you will,  [00:55:46] Angela: and it'll be fun. I'll probably listen, Are you listening? I'm listening. Yeah. Yeah. Does she read? Yes. Okay. Yeah, that'll be what I'll do. All right, Angela, what do you loving this week? I am loving something that I think I may have talked to you about in private, [00:56:00] but now I would like the whole world to know about it. [00:56:01] Yes. It's called Calm aid. Oh, yes. And this is a natural supplement for anxiety, overwhelming stress. And you can get it on Amazon and you can get it cheaply. So we have subscribed and saved to it. . That is  [00:56:16] Maren: amazing. You know, it's a, you know, it's a winner. You know, we need it. Subscribe and saved . Yes.  [00:56:21] Angela: And the reason why I like it is because I was. [00:56:25] You know I've been on medication for anxiety and depression. Some of my kids have been on things at different times. Mm-hmm. . Mm-hmm. for different things. And so we have a psychiatrist that we talk to. Yeah. And the psychiatrist was telling me that this calm aid is over the counter, right? Mm-hmm. [00:56:42] it's an over the counter thing, but. In many countries, like European countries, she said it's their first line of defense. For something like anxiety or depression before you, they try other medications. Wow. And so this is just their first go [00:57:00] to. It's real. It's a real, It really works. Yeah. All it is is lavender. [00:57:04] It's lavender. It's a lavender pill. That's all that's in. It is lavender. It's concentrated. It's concentrated. Right. Small capsule that is easy to swallow. Okay. That's what I would need. Yep. Right. So it's in a small, easy to swallow capsule. It's just lavender so you can feel good knowing mm-hmm. , that that's all you're taking. [00:57:22] Yeah. But it really does help. Like I have been taking it every morning. And on the days that I take it, I can tell that I feel much calmer, much less stressed. On the package it says you should take it twice a day. So I think if you were you know, really wanting to be more serious, you could take it twice a day if you were unsure about trying medication. [00:57:42] This could be a good place to start. If you were unsure for one of your kids, this could, this could be a good place to start for one of them too. I just think we more people need to know about it because I had, I had never heard about it until the psychiatrist recommended it, and I just think like, and it gets all these great reviews, so I just think, why [00:58:00] don't, maybe more people already knew about it and I just didn't. [00:58:02] Yeah, right. But. It has really been helpful for me and some of my kids. I was gonna say maybe  [00:58:08] Maren: it's everybody in Europe who's, who's given it all those high stars. I mean, that's, that's amazing.  [00:58:13] Angela: Yeah. So, Well, I'm  [00:58:16] Maren: so glad that you, have you found something for, you know, for Totally. There's so many of, I mean, there are so many of us I think that who could use. [00:58:23] Something like that without a prescription would be  [00:58:25] Angela: great. Mm-hmm. so great. So thank you. And it's just, it's a first, It's, I know it's hard to try medication if you haven't. It is before, it's a hard first step. And so like this, this is something you could try before that if you Yeah,  [00:58:37] Maren: yeah. Mm-hmm. . Mm-hmm. .  [00:58:39] We wanna thank our three sponsors, Blossom and Root Out School and Night Zookeeper. Be sure to check out their links in our  [00:58:49] Angela: show. This podcast is created and hosted by Angela Se and Marrin Gors. [00:58:55] We are listeners supported to get extra content and the Back to School Summit free with your [00:59:00] membership. Go to patreon.com/homeschool on refined. Subscribe to our newsletter and get our free top 100 inclusive booklist@homeschoolonfi.com slash newsletter. You can find Marron on Instagram at unrefined marron and at Always Learning with Marron, and you can find Angela. [00:59:18] Unrefined. Angela

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David, Justin and James begin by commenting on the SNY report that stated the Yankees clubhouse and organization felt crushed by the negativity from the fan base during the ALCS. Their message: don't give them something to boo over. On to the World Series! Is there any additional strategy to having the Phillies start Aaron Nola in Game 1? How much do Nola and Justin Verlander have to prove in the opening game? We'll see an all-time matchup in Verlander vs. Bryce Harper; who needs to set the tone for the series more? Will the Astros pitching staff go after Harper? Do the Astros have the bullpen personnel to get Philly's big lefty bats out? Are two starters and four relievers enough for the Phils in this series? Length from Nola and Zack Wheeler will be paramount, win or lose. Plus, what an 11-0 postseason would mean for the Astros. Download the DraftKings Sportsbook app and use promo code SLAB so they know we sent you Get 20% OFF @vincerocollective + Free Shipping with promo code SLAB at https://vincerocollective.com/SLAB #vincerocollectivepod Head to https://rapsodo.com/JOMBOY to receive a special discount up to $1,000 off Rapsodo's PITCHING 2.0 unit 00:00 INTRO 03:10 Yankees reported clubhouse drama (per Andy Martino) 13:10 WS preview beginning with the Phillies 16:42 Who is the best World Series starter? 21:14 Verlander vs Harper 23:13 A long layoff 25:42 Bryce Harper 31:15 Phillies bullpen 36:08 If Astros go 11-0, should they be considered one of the best ever? 40:32 World Series predictions 42:07 OUTRO Follow us on social media @ToeingTheSlab

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Can We Get to “Yes” on Better UX?What does WordPress need to do to appeal more to do-it-yourself website builders and creators who are trying to take a business, hobby, or side project online? This week in an article he shared in Post Status Slack, Eric Karkovack suggested some ways to improve the WordPress user experience, especially for DIY users setting up a website for the first time.We also have lists of plugins we disrecommend — to the point that it's a dealbreaker if a client insists on using them. And of course, these lists change a lot over time. We all know these things — but it's a kind of “open secret” within professional WordPress circles. That's understandable! Comparison is the thief of joy — and possibly revenue.Some of the things Eric wants to see happen, like a standard interface for plugins and a curated view of the plugin ecosystem, are similar to views commonly expressed by designers, developers, and people in other professional roles at WordPress agencies serving enterprise clients. And why not? In the WordPress enterprise space, are the end users really that much different than mass-market WordPress users in what they don't need to know or see — and what they do need to perform routine content creation and management tasks as easily as possible? That's where my thinking has been lately, so I had a conversation with Eric to see if we might identify areas where nearly everyone thinks WordPress offers a poor experience and how they might align themselves toward solutions. Can we get everyone to “yes” on a better UX?Don't Play Favorites — Recognize ExcellenceStandardizing admin interfaces and notifications might be easier than figuring out how to curate best-of-breed themes and plugins. But imagine, as Eric and I do in this conversation, some kind of “plugin quality score” at wordpress.org based on neutral, objective data. It might be “gamed” — in a positive way. It would encourage developers to do better, deeper, ever-maturing work.Personally, I'd like to see the maximum and the average number of queries a plugin adds to a page. That, along with PHP and WordPress versions that have been tested for compatibility (existing features of the plugin repository) would be key code quality indicators. Frequency of updates, reviews, and support responses would indicate a capacity for long-term sustainability. Raising standards for testing aimed mainly at security would be great too. All of this could be done or encouraged by key players in the WordPress ecosystem coming together to set standards for their industry. It would impact how all users of the plugin directory understand quality.Don't Hide it from the Noobs: Too Many Open Secrets About Quality are Bad for EveryoneAs of today, there are 60,153 un-curated free plugins at wordpress.org that can only be explored via external search and a limited (arguably broken) site search tool. WordPress professionals with high-end client services would never expose their customers to this chaos — so why does the WordPress community expose its newcomers to it? Anyone who has developed WordPress sites for very long has a list of plugins they prefer, particularly in combination with each other, for common feature sets and use cases. We also have lists of plugins we dis-recommend — to the point that it's a deal breaker if a client insists on using them. And of course, these lists change a lot over time. We all know these things — but it's a kind of “open secret” from professional WordPress circles. That's understandable! Comparison is the thief of joy — and possibly revenue. But we need to be more open and better at communicating these things in a problem-solving, always-learning way within appropriate channels. Open source security is a different issue, but performance and code quality standards — and the products/people who follow them in exemplary ways — should be much more visible and celebrated.(What if someone did a tutorial series walking through current WordPress code standards and the history of their evolution?)Information that maturing developers and product owners can learn from to improve their work doesn't trickle down as openly or as easily as it should. It's inside baseball, and it shouldn't be quite so insider-y. It's not out there alongside independent plugin performance reviews or clear standards and guidance for anyone who wants them.Why not?What are the barriers?Who can lift them?Industry peers and WordPress community members working together on common interests?As we end up saying in our conversation, we hope so.✨ Sponsor: GoDaddy ProManage your clients, websites, and tasks from a single dashboard with GoDaddy Pro. Perform security scans, backups, and remote updates to many sites on any host. Check up on site performance, monitor uptime and analytics, and then send reports to your clients. GoDaddy Pro is free — and designed to make your life better.Learn More:The WordPress Coding Standards can be found evolving on GitHub.  

The 87-win Phillies are showing the world that winning 100 games far from guarantees a World Series victory.  The Mariners in 2001 won a whopping 116 games but did not even reach the WS!  This year for the 2nd time (4) teams won 100 games or more but only one is still playing - the Astros.  It didn't help the Braves (who've won 100 7x in franchise history but never won WS when they won 100 games), Mets or Dodgers. Winning 100 games is a little bit cool and fun for the fans since they go home happy almost 2/3 of the time. But give us a team that's hot late in the season and that's a better indicator of possible WS success than winning 100! Please subscribe to our podcast and thanks for listening! If you have a suggestion for an episode please drop us a line via email at Almostcooperstown@gmail.com.  You can also follow us on Twitter @almostcoop or visit the Almost Cooperstown Facebook page.  If you can please give the podcast 4 or 5 star rating! www.almostcooperstown.com

Russell and our erstwhile site editor Gav talk throw the two completed Championship Series. Waxing lyrical about the excitement and entertainment of the NLCS and how the ALCS was actually much closer than the 4-0 and the New York media landscape would tell you. They then look forward to World Series and complete the curse of the Houston Astros by once again predicting them to win it.

Monday Night Football went very differently as expected and the guys break down Justin Fields big night and where the Patriots go from here. No one gets defensive especially not Hank (00:02:17-00:31:50). CFB Talk (00:31:50-00:39:15). Hot Seat/Cool Throne including Sam Ehlinger making his big debut (00:39:15-01:03:05). John Kruk joins the show to talk about the World Series, his crazy retirement story, living with a bank robber and tons more (01:03:05-01:49:15). Jake Arrieta joins the show to talk about the WS matchup, who he has winning it and his favorite players to watch (01:49:15-02:15:43). 1 Question with Taylor Heinicke (02:15:43-02:21:48) plus the return of Jimbos (02:21:48-02:33:49).

On this episode we hit on the new managers of the Rangers & Marlins, review the LCS matchups, and preview the 2022 WS matchup between the Phillies and Astros.

The guys start the hour wondering how bad the World Series ratings could be this year, then Swag has a WS themed edition of Stat or Story. Plus, Aaron Rodgers threw everyone but himself under the bus in Green Bay, and can the Blazers make it 5 in row tonight.

Happy Hour crew talks WS, Mid season NFL check in , NBA tip off and much more!!

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Today on Picks Central, The World Series is finally set, and we have Rico Bosco, Smitty, & Marty Mush in studio to help explain how exactly The Phillies managed to get back to the WS, and what exactly happened to The Yankees as they fall to the Astros in sweeping fashion. Later on, the fellas breakdown all the madness from around The NFL yesterday, and of course we put together The Picks Central Parlay+ ahead of tonight's MNF game.

On Episode 132, Sam and Jack prepare their minds and bodies for the Bears to travel to New England and face Bailey Zappe and Bill Belichick's squad on Monday Night Football. They talk about the wide receiver position for the Bears again, looking at NFL Draft prospects given the high-draft position Chicago will have, quick MLB update and discussion on whether or not Fernando Tatis Jr. would have received a ring if the Padres won the WS. The guys wrap the show up with more "talking about my fantasy team" which we all know if our listener's FAVORITE segment.

2022 what a year @nygiants 6-1 & @nyjets 5-2 but huge losses for Jets #breecehall & #alijahveratucker done for season. @nikkischwartz_ & I are going to Jets vs @patriots Sunday.  @buccaneers blown out 21-3 by @panthers and love that #pjwalker will stay at #qb which doesn't bode well for future of  #bakermayfield in Carolina. Congrats to @partylikearochkind & your @astrosbaseball off to 4th #worldseries in 6 years.  I'm rooting against #tedcruz and could care less about @phillies too. @yankees just got beat by the better team.  Will #aaronjudge be back next year?  Not a postseason to remember.  He got Yanks to #mlbplayoffs & it's a team sport but it was ugly. Haven't been to WS since 2009. Don't see them getting there anytime soon. Changes are needed #aaronboone & #briancashman have had their chances but fresh blood is needed.  Wish Hal sometimes acted more like George.

Hour 2 // 10.24 -- Let's tie a bow on the Padres Season -- Brady Hoke Report -- Who needed to be better for the Padres to be in the WS?

Welcome back to Chop Sports Daily! Chris and Dave are ready to breakdown everything that has happened in NFL Week 7, The Yankees get swept by the Astros, The Phillies are WS bound to take on the Astros, Recap of UFC 280, Giants and Jets have winning records, Breece Hall will miss the rest of the NFL season for the Jets, and to close out the show the guys preview tonights Monday Night Matchup between the Patriots and Bears.

Chase Claypool took his coordinator to task in his own way. He wants more chunk plays. Colin said it's an embarrassment if Art Rooney II doesn't fire Matt Canada today! Breakfast bytes- Bryce Harper sends the Phils to the WS. We dive deep into Kenny Pickett's performance from yesterday. If he continues down this path, should the Steelers consider drafting his replacement? Najee Harris ain't good enough. The Steelers failed on short yardage again last night. Why was Miles Boykin in the game late on 3rd and 1?!

On this episode, Lamb is joined by Joe Fann, Digital content and brand ambassador for Wynn Bet to talk about UFC 280 Fallout, NFL Week 7 surprises and his WS prediction. What happens now at 135 and 155? is Suga Sean next? Are we into this idea of champion vs. champion like they're building up between Volkanovski and Islam? Then in the NFL, WTF is happening with the Packers and Bucs?!?! The Giants and Jets keep on winning but so are Joe's Seahawks, which of the 3 are they most surprised by? The Chiefs take care of CMC and the 49ers and do the Bengals have the best offense in the NFL? Follow Joe Fann on Twitter to find everything he's involved with @Joe_Fann Follow the Host Nick Dais on social media Twitter Instagram

We say goodbye to Yanks & Padres and address the issues both teams need to make moving forward.   Plus, props to the Astros & Phils for being the 2022 WS reps!   We break down how they got there.  Plus - Sean recorded this show outside of the hospital where his Pops LITERALLY just went into heart surgery.  We only mention that because we have and will continue to appreciate all of Casey's fan support, prayers & well wishes and ask you all to keep them coming!   Love to all! 

Join us as we talk to Robyn Robertson about homeschooling, self-directed learning, world schooling and teens. Fall 2022 Season Sponsors   We are so grateful to our Fall 2022 Season Sponsors. Use the links below for their special offerings:   Blossom & Root and use code HSUnrefined15 for 15% off your purchase   Outschool and use code Unrefined for $20 off your first class    Night Zookeeper for a 7-day, risk-free trial, as well as 50% off an annual subscription  LTWs    Maren: Weiman Stainless Steel Cleaner   Angela: Libro.fm and All My Rage by Sabaa Tahir   Connect with us!  Visit our website  Sign up for our newsletter and get our Top 100 Inclusive Book List We are listener supported! Support us on Patreon Follow us on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter and see video episodes now on Youtube Angela on Instagram: @unrefinedangela | Maren on Instagram: @unrefinedmaren and @alwayslearningwithmaren  Email us any questions or feedback at homeschoolunrefined@gmail.com   Complete Episode Transcript   [00:00:00] Maren: Hi, we're Maren and Angela of Homeschool, Unrefined. Over the past 25 years, we've been friends, teachers, homeschool parents, and podcasters, together with our master's degrees in 20 years combined homeschooling. We are here to rethink homeschooling, learning, and education with an inclusive and authentic lens. [00:00:29] Angela: At Homeschool Unrefined, we prioritize things like giving yourself credit, building strong connections, respectful parenting, interest led playing and learning, learning differences, mental health, self care, and listening to and elevating LGBTQ Plus and BIPOC Voices.  [00:00:49] Maren: We are here to encourage and support you, whether you're a new homeschooler, a veteran. [00:00:55] Whether you love curriculum or you're an unschooler, whether all your kids are at [00:01:00] home or all your kids are in school or somewhere in between, wherever you are on your journey, we're the voice in your head telling you, you're doing great,  [00:01:07] Angela: and so are your kids. This is episode 1 97, How We Homeschool with Robyn Robertson. [00:01:14] We are gonna talk about that in just a minute. Mm-hmm. . And then we're gonna end like we always do with our lt. Ws Loving this week. Hello Mar. Hello. How are you doing great. Great to see you.  [00:01:28] Maren: Yes, and you too. We are so excited to just tell you a little bit or remind you, actually, you've probably heard this, but if you sign up for our newsletter right now, you are going to get a free gift that we have created lovingly and Caringly for you. [00:01:43] It is a top 100 inclusive book list and you know, we're passionate about reading. And to our kids. And we love books and we love finding inclusive books and this, so this book is like, has been tailored from our years of [00:02:00] experience reading. And we just really wanted to share this with you. So join our newsletter today and you were gonna get that  [00:02:06] Angela: for free. [00:02:07] Yes, and we have all different age groups. We have audio books, we have graphic novels, so it is should be something for everyone. [00:02:18] Taking online classes is one way to take the burden off you and outsource something your child wants to learn. That's why we love Out School. We know that kids who love to learn don't just prepare for the future. They create it. That's why Out School has reimagined online learning to empower kids and teens to expand their creativity, wonder and knowledge. [00:02:39] Empathetic, passionate teachers encourage learners ages three to 18 to explore their. Connect with diverse peers from around the world and take an active role in leading their learning out. School has created a world filled with endless possibilities for every schooling journey. Explore over 140,000 fun and flexible [00:03:00] live online classes to find the right fit for your family and join us as we set learning free. [00:03:05] Sign up today at Out schooler.me/homeschool unrefined and get up to $20 off your first class when you enroll with the code. Unrefined.  [00:03:17] Maren: We know that teaching, writing and reading can be a struggle night. Zookeeper is here to help. Is your child a reluctant writer? Do they struggle with reading? If your answer to either of these questions is yes, the Night Zookeeper may be just what you've been looking for. [00:03:35] Night Zookeeper is an online learning program for children, ages six to 12 years old that uses a gamified and creative approach to help keep kids engaged and focused on developing awesome reading and writing skills, all while having fun at the same time. Some of the features we love include the educational games, the personalized feedback on writing from real tutors, [00:04:00] and the super safe community pages where children can work with each other and learn together. [00:04:05] If Night Zookeeper sounds like the perfect learning program for your child, you can try it for free by clicking on the link in the show notes. When you register, you'll get a seven. Risk free trial as well as a huge 50% off an annual subscription. That's a great  [00:04:22] Angela: deal if you ask. We know that finding a curriculum that fits your unique needs can be a challenge. [00:04:29] Have you tried Blossom and Root yet? Blossom and Root is a nature focused secular homeschool curriculum, focusing on creativity, science, nature, literature, and the arts. Blossom and WRI has been gently encouraging and supporting homeschool families around the globe since 2016. Blossom and Root currently offers curricula for pre-K through fifth grade with new levels being added in the future. [00:04:53] Additionally, a three volume inclusive US history curriculum told from a variety of viewpoints is [00:05:00] currently in development as of August, 2022. Volume one is available for purchase, and volume two is available on pre. All profits from this history curriculum. A river of voices will be used to support storytellers and artists from historically excluded communities. [00:05:16] You can find ex examples, samples, scope, and sequences, and information about each of their levels online@blossomandroot.com. You can also find them in on Instagram at Blossom and Root. Blossom and Root has created a special discount for our listeners. Use the code Hs. Unrefined 15 at checkout for 15% off your purchase. [00:05:40] Maren: All right. We would like to introduce you to Robyn Robertson. Robyn Robertson is an unschooling mom to two kids. Podcast host, business owner and public school board trustee. Robyn, her husband and their two kids started their world schooling [00:06:00] journey in 2012. Her experiences traveling while home educating had Robyn questioning her past beliefs around parenting, how we learn and the education system. [00:06:12] Today, Robyn advocates politically for home education and self-directed. She combines that experience, knowledge, and curiosity in her mentoring, working with families to help them envision and create their own unique  [00:06:27] Angela: learning paths. [00:06:28] Please enjoy our conversation with Robyn. [00:06:31] Well, hello Robyn. Welcome to Homeschool Unrefined.  [00:06:35] Robyn: Hi Angela. Thank you for having me. I'm excited to be on your podcast. I'm a, I'm a listener,  [00:06:40] Angela: so Oh, you are? Okay. That's great. I'm so glad to have you and I know you have your own podcast too, and we've just never connected until now. I know some of our listeners listen and so I'm just really glad to be able to connect. [00:06:54] Robyn: Me too. Thank you for,  [00:06:56] Angela: So for people who don't know you or who maybe don't listen to your podcast, [00:07:00] can you tell us a little bit about yourself and your family and your work and things like.  [00:07:05] Robyn: Yeah, absolutely. So my name is Robin Robertson . Yeah. And I'm the creator and host of the podcast, Honey. I'm homeschooling the kids. [00:07:13] I'm an unschooling parent to two kids who are now teenagers. We live in northern Alberta, Canada, but we began this homeschool journey as world schoolers. We wanted to travel with our kids, and that's the beginning. Of the journey. And honestly, we thought we would be doing this thing for like a year at the most. [00:07:33] Yeah. . And then everything would be going, like, we'd go back to school and all that sort of stuff. Okay. But obviously it's 10 years later. Okay. And we're still kind of doing, creating our own unique learning journey and You know, the podcast is a big part of that where, But a lot of my purpose is sharing that the stories of families that are creating their unique learning journeys, just to provide the example and inspiration that it can be done. [00:07:56] Yeah. Families have been doing it, that kids have grown up [00:08:00] doing it, have been successful and I wanna say successful in our. Different ways. I know there's not just a standard idea that I, or maybe there is, but I think that's shifting. Mm-hmm. . So, you know, that's really what I do. I advocate for self-directed learning locally within my community within the homeschooling community. [00:08:18] But really I advocate for kids. Yeah. And families that wanna create their own unique learning.  [00:08:24] Angela: Yeah. That's awesome. So I'm really interested in that because you, did you go on a big trip for that first year you were traveling around?  [00:08:33] Robyn: We actually, we moved to Jamaica. Oh, okay. For a little over half a year. [00:08:38] My family, my dad is from Jamaica, so we actually moved back in with that side of the family and lived there. Okay. And then we ended up going to South Korea for a year, a little over  [00:08:48] Angela: a year. Wow. Okay. Okay. Yeah. And at that point you were, you thought. This, we'll do this for a little while and then when we come back, our kids will go into school. [00:08:58] That was your plan originally? [00:09:00] Yep.  [00:09:00] Robyn: That was the, I took six months leave of absence for my job. . Okay. told everyone I would be back in six months. Okay. Yeah, and we thought we would, you know, go traveling. We go to Jamaica first, and then we would decide what we would wanna do. . Yeah. And we thought we'd come back. [00:09:15] My kids would go back to school, we'd go back to our house and, you know, we'd be happy with a little bit of a, a change in our rhythm. At that time, we, we needed to make a change actually. Yeah. But we, we found out our change needed to be bigger than what we planned it to  [00:09:30] Angela: be. So, Or in the other direction, you know? [00:09:33] Yes. Like, yeah. Yeah. So what about that year or year and a half made you change your mind? And decide to keep going. Keep homeschooling or, Yeah, keep, keep homeschool.  [00:09:46] Robyn: You know, it was my kids. Mm-hmm. really, we, you know, we, my husband and I had traveled a lot before. Okay. And we, when we began our family, we knew it was something we wanted to eventually continue doing. [00:09:57] So my dad's from Jamaica, my mom's from Canada. [00:10:00] Okay. I've lived all over the world from like my. My, my parents because of my dad's work, because my parents traveled. And then as I became an adult, a young adult, I started traveling on my own for school and then just experience. And so it was very much having a multicultural viewpoint of the world was very, a much a normal thing for me because of my family history. [00:10:24] But just to begin with that so my viewpoint was always a little bit different and I, it was really important to me that my kids also have a perspective, especially because we have a very diverse family. Mm-hmm. . And my husband was the same as well. And the way that he, you know, he had, he had loved our travel experiences. [00:10:41] He wanted to travel himself, so he did as well. And then we just felt it was something that we wanted our family to do. And then when we decided to travel, We were, we were at a point in our life where we knew our family needed a change. We were doing the work, you know, we're busy working. Yeah. My husband was building a [00:11:00] business. [00:11:00] I actually worked at the school that my kids went to, which was nice. But it was like, We, you know, our week was spent with work, school, getting ready for all of that stuff, activities, barely having supp or having a bath, going to bed, doing it all over again. Sunday, I grocery shop, clean up the house and I was tired. [00:11:19] Like Saturday was sports and you know, all those mm-hmm. and we were like, we need to, And our kids were like getting the leftovers essentially. Yeah. You know, they were getting just those minutes. Energy that I could maybe, you know, do with them. And it's like, well let's just watch some TV kind of thing. [00:11:36] Yeah, yeah. Cuz you're so tired, . Yeah. And so we needed to, we needed to do something different. So my husband was the one who said, Well, why don't we first? He said, Why don't we go to Jamaica? You know, let's, we want to travel. Let's just try, you know, if it doesn't work, we can just come home. Right? Yeah, totally. [00:11:52] And he was like, It'll be easy. You're, you know, we'll live with family there and. And then, you know, at least it will be like an easy [00:12:00] entry and we can homeschool the kids . Like we can homeschool. It's no problem. And his business was mobile so he could work from anywhere. So we started doing that and, but the thing was, is. [00:12:15] My kids were, well, one, we finished our homeschool work that the school had sent us within like the first month. It was six months of work and we finished it in like a month, and that was only doing a few hours every morning. Okay. Our rule was, By the time lunchtime hits it's free game. Like, yeah, free play. [00:12:34] We're gonna spend the afternoons at the beach, we'll go visiting family. It's just exploring, having fun. And what happened was is my kids, even when the work was done, my kids in their play time, in their free time, and then the time after the, the quote unquote school work was done. They were even more engaged. [00:12:54] They were asking so many questions about the world around them and wanting to find out more [00:13:00] that it was one of those times where I was in that experience and began to understand that idea that learning is separate from school. School and learning are not always. That it doesn't have to look like a textbook and classroom, that actually you can be absolutely engaged and internally motivated and love learning at any time of the day. [00:13:24] Mm-hmm. , especially when you're engaged in play freedom something that you're, you know, you are loving to do and joy and. The more we, our life looked like that. Mm-hmm. , It was like the more my kids seemed to be learning. Yeah. So everything that I understood before seemed to really contradict almost. [00:13:45] Yeah. And so that's kind of the beginning of how we started or to continued homeschooling. Yeah. And then by the time we got back to Canada not where we were living, but actually here where we are now. My kids said to me one day, [00:14:00] they were like, We don't wanna go back to school. Hmm. Interesting. We wanna keep homeschooling. [00:14:05] Mm-hmm. and I had wanted to, but I also didn't want to put it on them like, We're gonna keep homeschooling. We can't go back to school. We'd always had that conversation. It would always be open. And so once they said, No, we wanna, we, we have no desire to go back to school. We wanna keep homeschooling. We were like, Okay, we'll keep doing it as long as it works for us and as long as you wanna do that. [00:14:24] And yeah. So  [00:14:26] Angela: your, your experience of them being more authentically involved in their learning when you were doing self-directed things and when you were homeschooling, when you were traveling mm-hmm. is what led you to do it. It's like you had the, you had confidence cuz you saw, you saw with your own eyes and your own experience that this was really good and that they were learning a  [00:14:46] Robyn: lot. [00:14:47] That's exactly it.  [00:14:48] Angela: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So, and you had a background in schools and so you saw it, you definitely in your, you know, you're a product of the school system I'm sure too, right? Yeah. So was it [00:15:00] hard for you to let go of some of those more traditional school type things like you know, like You know, we need to, we actually do though, need to be doing some sitting down and writing, or we actually do need to be doing some homework or, I don't know, what were, were there things that you had a hard time letting go of? [00:15:22] Robyn: Oh yeah, of course. Okay. I think , I think all of us do. Right? And my husband as well too, right? Yeah. I, you know, there were times where I was, you know, maybe like, No, we're not gonna, we don't have anything planned for today. And my husband would like, Don't you think the kids should do some writing? Yeah. [00:15:38] Like, don't you think like, after they're watching Magic School Bus, they should maybe do a summary on what they, you know, what they learn? Kind of, you know, that kinda thing. And yeah, I absolutely did. I think that's pretty normal for every homeschooling parent you wanna get in some reading and math lessons as much as you can just sneak it in here and there. [00:15:55] Yeah. Yeah. But also I, you know, where we are from in Canada, it's [00:16:00] fairly highly regulated. Canada itself is go very government regulated. Okay. The province that we live in the way we were registered, we actually had to follow our provincial curriculum. So there were still checks and balances at the end of Sure. [00:16:12] The throughout we had to follow. But there is an option where you can opt out and I didn't do that because I didn't, you know, I didn't think it was okay. . Yeah. You know, I wanted to have that security, but by the time my son was in third grade, he was about, yeah, he was probably about nine. He, you know, it was kind of like near the end of the school year and I wanted to go through all of the curriculum checks, like, you know, let's make sure we covered this and this and this and that year, third grade, where we live, there is a area of social studies that is like a world broadening your worldview. [00:16:51] And so they have specific country you have to study in order to get an idea of the world kind of. Yep. The I, the general idea is that we are [00:17:00] citizens of the world and we have similarities and differences from people all around around us. Sure. Yep. And so they give you the countries to study. And we hadn't studied those countries. [00:17:09] And when I brought them to my son, he was like, I don't wanna study those countries, . And he, and he asked me, he was like, Why do I have to study these? And I told them, Because the curriculum says you have to, Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. , And he just kind of looked at me like, that makes no sense whatsoever. Like, so basically he just said, So this says I have to do it, so that's why I have to do it. [00:17:33] Even though I've been studying, you know, I've been learning about Borneo and Tahiti because I wanna learn about those spaces because of Right. You know, I'm, there's things that I relate to and those that I'm interested in. Mm-hmm. , So I've been learning about those places for the last six months. Mm-hmm. [00:17:49] but doesn't that count? Yeah. And I was like, this is a good argument. He brought Yeah. . Yeah. Right. And I, I had no response, like no valid response where I felt to my core like, you know [00:18:00] what? I disagree. This is know, this is why. Yeah. So that was the last year and after that we opted out of following any curriculum. [00:18:08] Oh, okay. Eventual curriculum. We, we checked off the box where we said we no longer will be doing. Following this. And, and then I think that was a full step of, we're just on our own.  [00:18:20] Angela: Right. And so what kind of do you have a label for your type of homeschooling right now? Like what kind of homeschooler would you say that you are now? [00:18:28] Robyn: We're  [00:18:28] Angela: unschoolers. You're unschoolers, Okay. Yeah. And did you Was that more gradual, like after the third grade year when you opted out? Did you feel like you fully jumped into that or were you still was, this has been a gradual change for you?  [00:18:42] Robyn: Oh, it's been a gradual change, yeah.  [00:18:44] Angela: Yeah, absolutely. Okay. [00:18:45] Okay. And so I would say that. To maybe a lot of our listeners that might sound unique, just because I know you have teens now. Your kids are now teens. Mm-hmm. , and so you're still unschooling. Can you tell us what that looks like? We get this question [00:19:00] a lot, and so I would love to hear from you what that looks like for your teens. [00:19:06] Robyn: Oh yeah. I get this question too, and it's kind of hard to, you know, people want it, put it in a nice like package and bow and then give it to you when unschooling can't be packaged and put a bow on top and given to you because it's so unique to the learner. Yeah. I think the easiest way to define unschooling, which I, I usually start with, if we're looking at learning, it's when the learner decides the how. [00:19:28] What, where, and what of their learning. The learner decides that, okay, and they're internally motivated with their own personal why. Mm. So coming from that place it's very much learner directed or my, you know, my, my children, I, I, I call myself an end schooler as well cuz I'm a learner in our family for sure. [00:19:48] Call my husband is a learner. Yeah. So all of our learning is self-directed in that way. Mm-hmm. . Mm-hmm . So what it looks like is, you know, my kids, for example, my youngest is 13. [00:20:00] And you know, she has her really, it's supporting their interests and their curiosities. So, you know, a lot of it is. You know, we're in conversation all the time. [00:20:10] Mm-hmm. , we are you know, I, it's observation. Mm-hmm. , it's noticing, it's being a, a listening parent that listens and hears mm-hmm. that doesn't always speak because I, I want to understand what they're interested in, what they're curious about, and usually, especially after these, They are very good at communicating. [00:20:30] You know, I'd really like to learn more about this, or I'd really like to do this, or, you know, in our conversations we were doing this last year and I felt like maybe it worked for my brother, but it didn't work for me and I wanna do something differently. Yeah. So for my daughter, for example, she's really into. [00:20:44] Sports team sports. She plays volleyball, she plays softball. She's snowboards, so a lot of her activities are centered around her sports and training. Mm-hmm. . So that of course takes time. She's a musician, so she does a lot with guitar songwriting. Right now she's [00:21:00] doing a music theory course because she plays. [00:21:03] But she doesn't know how to read notes yet. So that was her focus this year is she wants to be able to read music. Yeah. So she's doing a course in that. And, you know, things like, she's very creative. She loves to read. She always has like, you know, she reads novels like by the minute. Awesome. It seems like so really, You know, knowing their interests for the long term and for the year or for the month, and I'm the support person that helps 'em with resources. [00:21:30] I'm the chauffeur, I'm the person who encourages and really I think unschooling, and I think this is missed. A lot of times we talk about the learning part of it, but unschooling by supporting the learner. The biggest part of it is building the relationship with our family and kids, because I think the biggest part of unschooling that sometimes is overlooked is the trust, and that's the hardest part as well. [00:21:55] Trusting our kids cuz we usually think kids aren't gonna make a good decision, they're gonna [00:22:00] choose wrong, They're going, you know, they don't understand. So, mm-hmm. , building that trust and knowing, and for our kids to know that they are trusted, that they're. Their environment is safe. Mm-hmm. , it's, they're loved and validated, so they will ask those questions. [00:22:18] They will be, you know, confident to try things and try new experiences because they know even if it is a mistake or doesn't work, it's not the end of the world. It's a learning experience. So that's really the biggest part of our unschooling, is building that foundation. For my son, he's older, so he has always been someone who's very focused on specific things. [00:22:42] His personality is that way. He been animals since he was like tiny, like an infant, almost like he. Bird, I think was one of his first words. Wow. And, and so he's always been dedicated to learning about wildlife and ecology and animals. And [00:23:00] that now has taken him to a path where he, like, he works in, in, in the field. [00:23:06] He works for a wildlife outfitters. And this is the second season for six months under the year he's out in the wilderness. And he helps, he's learning to be a guide, a wildlife. Wow. And so they're out on very unique terrain. Mm-hmm. , you know, working with international clients, they do things like you know, their area is very unique to the animals that are there. [00:23:28] Mm-hmm. . So that's also why it's a unique outfitters, but, you know, supporting that interest and helping him to get connected with real life experiences is another big part of unschooling. Yeah, so, so it's very broad, but that's what it looks like for our family  [00:23:44] Angela: and that sounds amazing. I'm so glad you explained all that. So the thing I noticed when you were explaining that is these experiences for your kids, whether it's what, what your son's doing with the wildlife outfitter or all the different things that your daughter's doing with the sports [00:24:00] and the music and just being creative and all of that. They would not be able to do that if they were in school. [00:24:05] They just, There wouldn't be time. There wouldn't be time. . Yeah. And energy. They would be exhausted. From exerting themselves all day, doing things that they're not really that interested in. And then so to have the time at at night to come home or on the weekends and do those things, they might be able to do some of them, but it wouldn't be like this deep a deep experience into something that they're truly interested in and passionate about. [00:24:30] And that is where the real learning happens. It's just, you know that that's where the real learning happens and I just think you are giving your kids such a gift and that they have these opportunities to go deep into things that they're passionate about. I think, I think kids who are in school and mine are this year, I think kids who are in school have a hard time with harder time with that. [00:24:52] They come become like, Kind of general, like they know a little bit about a lot of things. Mm-hmm. and they have a hard [00:25:00] time pinning down like, what am I really interested in? Because they're not spending time doing tho their interests as much. Right. Yeah. And so I just, and so sometimes then they're like, Well, I wanna go to college, but I don't know what I wanna do. [00:25:11] I mean, that was me so. So I relate to that. Like it would've been great as a teen when you have all that energy and all that excitement and like you're ready for some intensity in something. Yeah. To be able to do that, to be able to like gear it towards the thing you're into. I. Your son, you know, he's known for a long time that he is interested in animals, but some kids wouldn't know that. [00:25:34] And so this would be a good time to like explore and try. Like maybe they try one job and they're, they realize, well, that was a good experience, but I'm not really into that. I'm gonna try this other thing. You know? And you have the time and energy and freedom to do those things. I just think that is a real gift. [00:25:51] And I just I think it sounds dreamy as a team, like really dreamy . So is there anything that [00:26:00] is challenging about it for you or your kids that you wish could be different or were a challenge?  [00:26:07] Robyn: Let me see. I think probably. You know, I think, you know, it's interesting. I think it is a challenge, but it isn't a challenge partly because where we live, Okay. [00:26:19] Is fairly remote. So, you know, my kids do are very social. They have a lot of friends. Actually, my daughter, because of sports, most of her friends go to school. Actually now the majority of her friends. So sometimes I think it would be nice just to be physically closer to more unschoolers, more self-directed learners who just get or understand our lifestyle a little bit more. [00:26:42] Mm-hmm. . For example, like my daughter will say, you know, I don't understand why my friends who go to school don't like to read. Yeah. Cause she would love to have like a discussion on books, . Yeah. Right. You know, on the books that she reads. But usually they tell her, I don't, I hate reading. Like, we have to read this book that my teacher made us read, Right? [00:26:57] Mm-hmm. . So I know sometimes they say they miss the [00:27:00] conversations with maybe kids around their age group that they'd like to have, that they can have with adults, which is fantastic. Yeah. But sometimes those things, they. But saying that as well, I know some of their closest friends are different ages, Like they both have, their closest friends are a lot older than them, and I think that just is what happens with the circumstances of their life and living as well. [00:27:24] But you know, I think also that's our remoteness is just where we are. Yeah. And there's not a lot of people just, there's not  [00:27:31] Angela: where we're, ok. Yeah. So when she's doing sports and stuff, that's at like the nearest town. That you're close  [00:27:37] Robyn: to? Yeah, we do a lot of driving and especially if she's doing club or she actually plays for school team right now. [00:27:44] Okay, okay. Which is fantastic. So homeschoolers can play with, they can try out for school teams. So right now she's playing volleyball with our local junior high high school team. And then she'll, once that season is done, she starts club. And, but it's just, yeah. And I think most parents who. [00:28:00] Do things like club volleyball or basketball or anything like that. [00:28:03] There's a lot of traveling. They're driving. Yeah.  [00:28:06] Angela: Whether you're in homeschool or, or school or, Yeah. There's just a lot of driving. Yeah. So is it, so are you finding community then with people, not with a lot of other homeschoolers, but with more just like people in your community who maybe do other activities that your kids are in? [00:28:25] Robyn: Yeah, we do, You know, still we have a very strong homeschooling community do. It's very spread out. We do. Okay. Yeah, that's great. It's absolutely grown over the last few years, but you know, a lot of people are an hour and a half away. You know, we're just kind of that radius. But especially now, everyone is trying to gather as much as possible and meet, connect. [00:28:45] Mm-hmm. . So there are some fantastic, Some of my closest friends locally are either unschooling or homeschooling moms, so we absolutely have. Which is good. But yeah, we just do our best to make it work and to come together and things like online, you [00:29:00] know, with my podcast, I have a really large community and have fantastic friends who, you know, I've actually never met in person yet. [00:29:06] Right. But we talk. Almost every day, or we talk regularly online as well. And hopefully soon in the near future I'll be able to see them face to face. .  [00:29:16] Angela: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sometimes some. Ugh, something that we try and tell our listeners is you know, you don't always have to find community with other homeschoolers who live in your town. [00:29:25] You know mm-hmm. And that it's okay to, you know, ha have be friends with your neighbors or people who are doing the same activities as your kids or in other ways. And then also those online friendships are not, those are real. Mm-hmm. , those are real and valuable, and not just for the adults, but kids too, you know? [00:29:44] Yeah. I dunno if your kids have online friends, mind you, and. Those are really valuable friendships as well, and I just think it's an advantage to living in the time that we live in, that we can like connect with people who might be a lot like us, but who live far away because there [00:30:00] might not be that many people who are a lot like us, who are really in proximity to  [00:30:04] Robyn: us. [00:30:04] Right? Yes, Angela, That's absolutely true. That's right. Yeah. Yeah.  [00:30:08] Angela: So do you have like a ? I'm asking this, but I'm kind of  [00:30:13] Robyn: you giggle before you ask. You,  [00:30:15] Angela: going before I'm asking me, do you have a typical day or week ? What, And if you do, what does that look like for you?  [00:30:20] Robyn: No, not really. , not really. [00:30:22] Okay. Okay. No, I, we do so I mean, I think it changes with the season. Okay. Honestly. So I also work apart from my podcast and working at home from that. I also am actually a public school board Trustee . Oh, okay. So I'm a locally elected official. Oh, awesome. So, It gives me good perspective because then I really get the inside knowledge on our public school system, especially locally within our area and division. [00:30:47] So I do, I probably work out of the home once or twice a week. Okay. So, you know, and that depends sometimes. And then, and then also my schedule works around my kids as well, [00:31:00] so coordinating You know, we're usually the mornings I'm with my kids or I mean, usually my daughter, cause my son's just not home very much anymore. [00:31:09] Yeah. But I'm there to, you know, whatever she needs support in whatever she wants to chat about. We usually like sit on the couch in the mornings and, you know, she loves, she likes math. She does Khan Academy for math, so. Okay. I know people always ask what about she's, but she does it. She. She likes it. [00:31:27] She has her goals that she sets every year, every month for it. And usually she just likes me to hang out with her. So she has questions and we discuss everything. Like, we'll watch a video, talk about it, she'll do an exercise or quiz and we'll talk about it. Okay. So things like that, I set aside time in the mornings to, to be there for my kids. [00:31:45] Yeah. And then usually the afternoons. You know, work afternoons or you know, we have a day a week where maybe we'll go exploring or visiting. Mm-hmm. or connecting. And then, you know, right now when it is sports season, it's [00:32:00] usually, you know, my daughter's practicing or training. Either like Mondays, Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays she has off. [00:32:09] And then Friday, Saturdays are usually games and tournaments. Wow. So the week gets busy. And then in the wintertime we see in snowboard. So we actually spend a lot of time out in the mountains during the winter time. That's so great  [00:32:21] Angela: doing that. So, That's so great. I love that for you and I, you know, we're in Minnesota and so it, it's cold here too. [00:32:29] We don't have the mountains . But just being able to live and live well in your area and take advantage of thing, the snow. I mean, you have to, you have to in the  [00:32:40] Robyn: winter. You kind of gotta embrace it. Yeah. You have to it or  [00:32:43] Angela: you embrace it. Yeah. You either embrace, embrace, like different sports, snow sports, there's a lot of them. [00:32:48] Or you're gonna be stuck inside for a long time. So, so I think that's great that you do that. That is really, really awesome. I love it. So what are you working on right [00:33:00] now that we can let our listeners know about or how  [00:33:02] Robyn: can they find you? Well definitely go to any podcast player unless, and look for honey. [00:33:07] I'm homeschooling the kids. You can find me there. My website as well. Yeah. I, I usually have events or something special going on through the year, so right now, like as we speak, it's October, my masterclass. I do a very, Intimate small group masterclass twice a year and right now fall, This is my time. [00:33:27] We're, we're just beginning that. Mm-hmm. . So that's always awesome on, I started it last year. It's been fantastic for everyone, including me. Yeah. I think everything is a learning process for me. I'm always a student. Whenever I approach anything, so I'll be running another one in the new year in spring. [00:33:46] Okay. So you can contact me to get on the wait list if you're interested in something like that. A good friend of mine, Kelly or Edwards, from the 90 Minute School Day, we do a homeschool summit every year. So we're actually, we do it every. Ring. We actually host it through the app [00:34:00] Clubhouse. Okay. I have a club on that app, Honey Am Homeschooling Club. [00:34:04] So through that app we host a homeschooling summit where we have keynote speakers. There's a theme every year, like a three part theme. And so now is a time where we start planning and getting everything together for the summit. So that's gonna be March, 2023. Okay. That's a free summit to attend. And we have like giveaways and prizes and it's actually a great, that's. [00:34:30] Great to summit. Yeah, so that's, you know, my clubhouse runs. We have discussions three times a week for homeschoolers, non schoolers, and that's something that's open for anyone to join and be part of those live discussions. We do record them and that goes on through the year. And otherwise I do support parents one-on-one if I'm not doing my masterclass or Summit [00:34:51] I do have some, you know, some time where I set aside and I mentor parents as well one-on-one. So That's great. That's usually what I have going on. Building [00:35:00] That's a  [00:35:00] Angela: lot's great. That's a lot. That's a lot. Yeah. And you're with your kids, so.  [00:35:04] Robyn: Yeah. And that's priority, honestly. Right? For  [00:35:07] Angela: sure. For sure. Well, it was really great having you and I'm so glad that our listeners got to hear from you and thank you for  [00:35:13] Robyn: being. [00:35:14] Thank you for having me. I really appreciate it. [00:35:17] Angela: All right, let's move on to our lt. Ws. All right. Yes, Mar, what are you loving this week? Okay. I  [00:35:25] Maren: am loving something that I should have gotten years ago. Years ago, . Okay. I just discovered it in 2022. All right. It is a stainless steel cleaner appliance pool. Oh,  [00:35:40] Angela: oh, okay. Yes, yes. The  [00:35:41] Maren: brand name is Wyman. Okay. [00:35:44] And it's a stainless steel cleaner and polish. It's just a spray. Very simple. It removes fingerprints, it removes residue, watermarks, grease, that kind of stuff. And it is [00:36:00] something that I've, I feel like I've been putting  [00:36:02] Angela: up with kind of for like, Oh  [00:36:03] Maren: yeah. I think we, I think we got our first. Stainless steel appliance in like 2015 when we moved [00:36:10] When we moved. Right. Ok. So it's been seven years. Yeah. Of looking at fingerprints on stainless steel appliances, , and so here we are. And nothing really, I, nothing else really works. Like you can't just clean that stuff off.  [00:36:24] Angela: Just doesn't come off. You can't normally, So. Okay. , I feel like a, See, I have not jumped on this. [00:36:32] Okay, well I thought I was the last one, so not the last one. So bad, . But I have to tell you, Jeremy is like, he wants stainless steel appliance cleaner, and I'm like, Why? Who cares? .  [00:36:42] Maren: That is so funny. That's really interesting because usually I, you know, I, I'm, I, if you knew Angela and I, if all of you listened, knew Angela, you might think that I would be the one who cared a lot less about this, but I really do. [00:36:56] I, I, like, I cleaned my kitchen and I'm like, I did [00:37:00] all that work and  [00:37:01] Angela: it, you know, and can still see like water spots when you. Yeah, exactly. Or other junk  [00:37:08] Maren: drinks. Yeah. You know, like, I may have cleaned it off, but it just looks gross.  [00:37:11] Angela: I get it. I'm like, it's just gonna get dirty again. I d I know . No, but  [00:37:16] Maren: seriously, this makes it look brand new. [00:37:18] Oh, I bet. It's amazing. It's so amazing. You might, and it just like, it's like the finishing touch, but you don, you do have to still. There's still gross stuff, sticky stuff that doesn't, you know, that's not what this is for. Oh, no. Sticky polish fingers. Yeah, this is like a Polish. It just shines it up. It makes it look nice. [00:37:35] Okay. Okay.  [00:37:36] Angela: Gotcha.  [00:37:37] Maren: And. It's just, I don't know. It makes me feel so happy because That's awesome. I'm seriously, for seven years, it's, Hasn't , , Like a week after we got into appliances, it was, they were gross and they stayed gross. Oh. So yeah.  [00:37:51] Angela: Yeah. Till this year. I get it. I mean, that is one downside to stainless steel appliances. [00:37:56] Maren: It is, yeah. Yeah. And it's super easy. Like it took, you [00:38:00] know, it takes five minutes to clean your appliances, and then they just, it just like brightens everything up. I love it.  [00:38:04] Angela: Okay. I should, should probably do that. Do you put it, do you have a stainless steel sink?  [00:38:10] Maren: I do, and I haven't tried it in there and,  [00:38:12] Angela: but I should, you know, it's the one area I, I could possibly  [00:38:15] Maren: do. [00:38:15] You know what I used in there? What, what is the magic erasers? Yeah. I use that in my  [00:38:21] Angela: sink and it works great in a stainless steel sink. Yes. Interesting. Yeah. Okay.  [00:38:28] Maren: It gets out a lot. It's amazing. Okay. Well, I don't know. This would do that too. Maybe it would. Okay. You  [00:38:34] Angela: would. Okay. Well, I'll tell Jeremy all about your new product by Wing [00:38:41] Maren: Sounds good. All right. Angela, what are you living this  [00:38:43] Angela: week? Okay, so you have probably heard me talk about bookshop.org before. Bookshop.org is a place that you can order all of your books. So, and this is like an alternative to Amazon, and they support independent bookstores through bookshop.org. [00:38:59] So [00:39:00] you, once you purchase a book on bookshop, you, or before you purchase a book, you choose which independent bookstore you would like the proceeds to go to. Yes. And so a lot of independent, independent bookstores around the country. bookshop.org, like storefront basically. So it's like shopping online for them. [00:39:21] Maren: Right. And like all of our affiliate links for books  [00:39:23] Angela: go to Yes. bookshop.org too. Right? Cause we have our own, We have a shop too. But, and I've been using, this is just, you know, I still use Amazon. Of course. I, I have to, but you know. Mm-hmm. . I definitely have a love hate relationship with Amazon because I love. [00:39:39] I mean, it's so convenient, right? Yeah. But then also I don't like supporting Amazon, and so this is just one way that I can That I can like move a gr set of purchases over like every time I need a book, I just go to bookshop. Yep. Okay. So I've been doing that for a few years. It's been great. What I hadn't done yet and what I wanna tell you all about [00:40:00] is their audio books. [00:40:01] I have still been using audio audible for audio books. Mm-hmm. . Mm-hmm. . And I've been feeling kind guilty about it a little bit because a lot of my book purchases are audio books. Right. But Bookshop has their own audio book that's. Part component. Yeah, it's called Libro fm. It's an app just like Audible. [00:40:23] You can get a subscription just like Audible, except it's supporting an independent bookstore. And so I just decided to do it like a few weeks ago and it's amazing. I love it. And right now they have a deal where if you join libro FM right now, you get two free audiobook. So that's how I did it. When I joined, I got two free audiobook books. [00:40:44] And I wanna tell you about one of them, which I have been loving you too. Yes. It's called All My Rage. Ooh, By, I'm interested .  [00:40:53] Maren: Okay.  [00:40:54] Angela: By Saba to here. Okay. Okay. This is a fiction y a book, [00:41:00] but love it. It is really, really well done. It is about two Pakistani teenagers. Mm-hmm. who are family friends as they're growing up in. [00:41:11] California. And there's just a lot of, there's all the trigger warnings possible probably are in this book because it's really sad. So I don't know that you would like it mind because it's Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's very sad. But I'm in the sad books. , I'm into sad books. I'm into like Just hearing real true stories and Yes. [00:41:30] Of people and getting, getting through hard things. So for sure that's what this is. And there's, it's, But the, but the thing is, it's so well written. I know it's y and I hate to say this, but it doesn't seem like y a, it's only Y because the characters are in high school. Okay. But it's just. Because a lot of ye is really well written. [00:41:50] So this is a really well written ye book. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it is beautiful on audio. So you've on  [00:41:58] Maren: audio. Okay. That's great to [00:42:00] know about audio too. But you've introduced me to so many good y eight books,  [00:42:05] Angela: so I mean, you could try, I trust you on this because you might like the story because also it's like you're learning about a culture that you're, for me, that I'm not as familiar with, and so that also is, I really liked learning about that. [00:42:17] Maren: Yeah. That's also some of my favorite reading is just  [00:42:20] Angela: reading so different cultures for sure. You so what? Sad you might you might be okay with it. Yeah, I dunno. So anyway, it's really good. So I got that on LiRo fm, so you know, that's so awesome. Even if you don't end up using LiRo fm, you could just go over and get your two free audio books right now you get two free audiobook. [00:42:38] Yeah, I'm going. Thank  [00:42:40] Maren: you. You should. Thank you. I will. All right. We want to thank our three season sponsors Blossom and Root Out School and Night Zookeeper. Be sure to check out their links in our show notes.  [00:42:55] Angela: This podcast is created and hosted by Angela Se and Marron Gorse. [00:43:00] We are listener supported. [00:43:01] To get extra content and the Back to School summit free with your membership, go to patreon.com/homeschool unrefined. Subscribe to our newsletter and get our free top 100 inclusive book list@homeschoolunrefined.com slash new. You can find Mar on Instagram at Unrefined Mar and at Always Learning with Maron. [00:43:22] You can find Angela at unrefined. Angela.

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