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 Season 6 episode 18 rebecca  j...and therapy - 1_8_26, 10.27 AMThu, Jan 08, 2026 10:40AM • 57:28SUMMARY KEYWORDSemotional metabolization, existential threat, destabilizing changes, social media, information overload, Venezuela crisis, racial identity, colonization, anti-blackness, white privilege, immigration policies, historical context, white supremacy, interdependence, narrative controlSPEAKERSSpeaker 3, Speaker 1, Speaker 2 Jenny  00:30I think something I'm sitting with is the impossibility and the necessity of trying to metabolize what's going on in our bodies. Yeah, and it feels like this double bind where I feel like we need to do it. We need to feel rage and grief and fear and everything else that we feel, and I don't think our nervous systems have evolved to deal with this level of overwhelm and existential threat that we're experiencing, but I do believe our bodies, Yeah, need space to try to do that, yeah,yesterday, I was sitting at, I don't know what's gonna happen to people anyway, Rebecca  01:45Pretty good. I'm okay. It like everyone. I think there's just a lot of crazy like and a lot of shifting to like, things that we could normally depend on as consistent and constant are not constant anymore. And that is like, it's very, 02:11I don't even have a word I want to say, disconcerting, but that's too light. There's, it's very destabilizing to to watch things that were constants and norms just be ripped out from underneath. People on like, every day there's something new that used to be illegal and now it's legal, or vice versa. Every day there's like, this new thing, and then you're having to think, like, how is that going to impact me? Is it going to impact me? How is it going to impact the people that I care about and love? Yeah, Danielle  02:52Jenny and I were just saying, like, maybe we could talk about just what's going on in the world right now, in this moment. And Jenny, I forgot how you were saying it like you were saying that we need to give our bodies space, but we also need to find a way to metabolize it so we can take action. I'm paraphrasing, but yeah, Rebecca  03:30And I would agree, and something else that I was thinking about too is like, what do you metabolize? And how do you metabolize it? Right? Like, in terms of what's happening in Venezuela, I have people that I count very dear to me who feel like it was a very appropriate action, and and people who are very dear to me who feel like absolutely not. That's ridiculous, right? And so, and I'm aware on that particular conversation, I'm not Venezuelan. I'm not I'm very aware that I stand on the outside of that community and I'm looking in on it, going, what do I need to know in order to metabolize this? What do I not know or not understand about the people who are directly impacted by this. And so I, like, I have questions even you know about some of the stuff that I'm watching. Like, what do you metabolize and how do you come to understand it? And in a place where it's very difficult to trust your information sources and know if the source that you're you're have is reliable or accurate or or complete in it, in its detail, it feels those are reasons why, to me, it feels really hard to metabolize things i. Jenny  05:06There's this like rule or like theory thing. I wish I could remember the name of it, but it's essentially like this, this graph that falls off, and it's like, the less you know about something, the more you think you know about it, and the more confident you are. And the more you know, the less confident you are. And it just explains so well our social media moment, and people that read like one headline and then put all these reels together and things talking about it. And on one hand, I'm grateful that we live in an age where we can get information about what's going on. And at the other end, like, you know, I know there, there's somewhere, some professor that's spent 15 years researching this and being like it is. There's so much here that people don't know and understand. And yeah, it feels like the sense of urgency is on purpose. Like that we just have to like it feels like people almost need to stay up to date with everything. But then I also wonder how much of that is whiteness and this idea of like, saviorism and like, if I'm just informed, then I'm doing my duty and like what I need to do and and what does it look like to slow down and be with things that are right in front of US and immediate, without ignoring these larger, transnational and global issues. Yeah, it feels so complicated. Rebecca  06:55I do think the sense of urgency is on purpose. I think that the overwhelming flood of information at this time is not just a function of like social media, but I think, I think the release of things and the timing of things is intentional, I think, and so I think there's a lot of Let's throw this one thing in front of you, and while you everybody's paying attention to that, let's do 10 other things behind closed doors that are equally, if not more, dangerous and harmful than the thing that we're letting You see up front. And so I think some of that is intentional. So I think that that sense of almost flooding is both about social media, yes, but it's also about, I think some of this is intentional, on purpose, flooding Jenny  08:01I think it's wise to ask those questions and try to sort of be paying attention to both what is being said and what is not being said. Rebecca  08:16Yeah, it may makes me think, even as you named Venezuela like my understanding is that that happened either the day of or the day before Congress was supposed to explain why they had redacted the Epstein files, and it just the lengths that they will go to to distract from actually releasing the files and showing the truth about Trump and Epstein and everyone else that was involved is, Speaker 2  08:52well, yeah, yeah, yes. And there's something in me that also wants to say, like it what happened around Venezuela might be 09:32and its natural resources is not a small thing. And then I was reminded today by someone else, this is also not the first time this country has done that. It might be the first time it was televised to the world, but so I don't Yes on the distraction. And I agree with you times 1000 10:09hard about this moment, is that there's all this stuff that's happening that's like absolutely we would be looking at, how do you possibly put any of that in any sense of order that it makes any sense? Because, yes, the FC, I mean, it's horrific. What we're talking about is likely in those files, and if they are that intent on them not coming out, if it's worse than what we already know, that's actually scary. Danielle  10:44Yeah, I agree that this isn't new, because this is it feels like, you know, Ibram X kendi was like, talking about, hey, like, this is what I'm talking about. This is what I'm talking about. And it feels as though, when we talk, I'm just going to back up, there's been this fight over what history are we teaching, you know, like, this is dei history, or this is, you know, critical race history. But in the end, I think we actually agree on the history more than we think. We just don't disagree on where we should take it. Now, what I think is happening is that, and you hear Donald J Trump talk about the Monroe Doctrine, or Vance talk about Manifest Destiny, or Stephen Miller, these guys talk about these historical things. They're talking about the history of colonization, but from a lens of like, this was good, this was not a mistake. Quote, slavery was not necessarily a bad thing. You have like Doug Wilson and these other Christian nationalists like unapologetically saying there was slavery. It's been throughout all time. This was, quote, a benefit people, you know, you have Charlie Kirk saying, you know, in the 1940s like pre civil rights movement, quote, I think he said, quote, black people were happier. He has said these things. So in my, in my mind, yes, they, they're they're saying, like, we don't want X taught in schools. But at the same time, they actually, we actually kind of agree on history. What we don't agree on is what we should do with it, or or who's in com, who's in control. Now, I think what they're saying is, this was history. We liked it, and we don't like the change in it, and we're just gonna keep doing it. I mean, they literally have reinstated the Monroe Doctrine, which is so racist, it's like, and manifest destiny is like, so fucked up to, like, put that back in place, like Rebecca said, I'm not, I'm not negating the murder that just happened in Minneapolis, but this concept that you you can tell who's human and that these resources belong to us, the only person human in the room, then, is the White man. I don't know. Does that make sense? It Rebecca  13:24makes me think of you know, when you talk about sort of identity formation, or racial identity formation, when you are talking about members of the majority culture and their story is, is this manifest destiny? Is this colonization and and the havoc and the harm that that they engaged in against whole people groups in order to gain the power? Do they, sort of, on a human level, metabolize the their membership in that group, and what that group has done the heart the and that it's come by its power by harming other people, right? And so in order to sort of metabolize that you can minimize it and dismiss it as not harmful. So that's the story, that slavery is not a bad thing, and that black people are happier under slavery, right? You can deny it and say that it didn't happen, or if it did, it wasn't me. That's Holocaust deniers, right? That didn't happen. I think what we're looking at now is the choice that some of the powers that be are making in order to metabolize this is to just call what is evil good, to just rewrite. Not the facts, but the meaning that that we draw from those facts. And then to declare, I have the right to do this, and when I do this, it makes me more powerful, it makes me a better leader, and it establishes rules and norms about right versus wrong. I think they're rewriting the meaning making as a way to kind of come to terms with what what they've done. And so I think that statement by the Vice President about you no longer have to apologize for being white in this country is actually about more than an apology. That was that is now, a couple of weeks later, after watching what happened in Venezuela, watching what happened in Minneapolis, watching what they're doing about Greenland, you go like, that's just a statement that we're going to do whatever the heck we want, and you cannot stop us, and we will do it without apology, and we will make you believe. We will craft a narrative that what is wrong is actually right, Jenny  16:43it just, it's, it's wild to me that our last time, or two times ago that we were talking, I was talking about Viola liozo, who was the white woman who drove black people during the bus boycott and was murdered, and the what feels like is being exposed is the precarity of white privilege, like it is Real. It exists, and so long as white people stay within the bounds of what is expected of them, and Renee good did not and I think that that is it Rebecca  17:36exposes what's already true, that I think racism and race are constructs to protect the system, and so if, no matter what your melanin is, if you start to move against the system, you immediately are at risk in a different way, and yet still not in the same way. You know, like there are already plenty of people who have died and been disappeared at the hands of ice. What happened is not new. What is new is that it did happen to a white woman, and it reveals something about where we are in the fulcrum, tip, I think, of of power and what's happening? 18:30because I think the same, like you said, is true during the Civil Rights Movement, right that in there, they're really they're most of their stories we don't know. There's a handful of them that we know about these, these white the people who believe themselves to be white, to quote on history codes, who were allies and who acted on behalf of the Civil Rights Movement and who lost their life because of it. There's probably way more than we know, because, again, those are stories that are not allowed to be told. But it makes me wonder if, if the exposure that you're talking about Jenny is because we were at some sort of tipping point right, in a certain sense, by the time you elect Obama in oh eight, you could make the argument that something of racial equality is beginning to be institutionalized in the country, right? I'm not saying that he solved everything and he was this panacea, but I'm saying when the system, when the people in the system, find a way to bring equilibrium. That's the beginning of something being institutionalized, right? And, and, and did that set off this sort of mass panic in the majority culture to say that that cannot happen? Mm. Yeah, and and, so there is this backlash to make sure that it doesn't happen, right? And to the extent that it's beginning to be institutionalized, that means that some members of the majority culture have begun to agree with the institutionalism of some kind of equilibrium, some type of equity, otherwise you wouldn't see it start to seep into the system itself, right? And it means that there are people who open doors, there are people who left Windows cracked open there, you know, there are, right? I mean, somebody somewhere that had the key to the door, left it unlocked, so, so that, so that a marginalized community could find an entrance, right? And and so it does make me think about, are we? Are we looking at this sort of historical tipping point? And what's being exposed is all these people are the majority culture who are on the wrong side of this argument. We need you to get back in line. I mean, if you read ta nehisi Coates book, eight years in power, he makes a sort of similar argument that that's what happened around reconstruction, right? You have the Emancipation Proclamation being signed, slavery is now illegal in the United States, and there's this period during reconstruction where there's mass sort of accomplishment that happens in the newly freed slave community. And then you see the rise of the Ku Klux Klan and the very violent backlash. This is not going to happen. We're not. We're not. And when, when I say what happened during Reconstruction, is like again, the beginning of the institutionalizing of that kind of equilibrium and equity that came out of the Emancipation Proclamation. Right? My kids were part of a genealogy project a few years back, and one of the things that they uncovered is they have a ancestor who was elected to this 22:27and while he was in office, he was instrumental in some of the initial funding that went to Hampton to establish Hampton University, right? And so that's the kind of institutionalized equity that starts to happen in this moment, and then this massive violent backlash, the rise of the Ku Klux, Klan, the black codes. We this is not going to happen. We're not doing this right. And so it does make me wonder if what we're actually looking at the exposure that you're talking about, Jenny is like the beginning of the this sort of equilibrium that could happen when you when things start to get institutionalized and and the powers that be going No way, no How, no dice, not doing that. Danielle  23:21I think that's true, and especially among immigrant communities. I don't know if you know, at the beginning, they were saying, like, we're just going after the violent criminals, right? And this morning, I watched on a news source I really trust, a video of a Somali citizen, a US citizen, but as a Somali background, man pulled over by ice like he's an Uber driver in Minneapolis. And they like, surrounded him, and he's like, wait a minute, I thought you were going after the violent criminals. And they're like, Well, you know, like, Are you a US citizen? He's like, Well, where's your warrant? And they're like, we're checking your license plate. He's like, well, then you know who I am. And then they want him to answer, and they keep provoking and they're like, Oh, you have a video on us. And he's like, Oh, you have a GoPro. He's like, I thought you were just going after violent criminals, you know? And they're like, no, we want to know if you're a US citizen. So in a sense, you know, there was all this rhetoric at the beginning that said, we you have to do it the right way. And I remember at the very beginning feeling afraid for Luis like, oh, man, shit, we did this the right way. I don't know if that's really guarantee. I don't think that's a guarantee of any guarantee of anything. And it's not doing well paying all the bills like it's expensive to become a citizen. It is not easy. Paying all the bills, going to the fingerprints, get in the test, hiring a lawyer, making sure you did it. Like cross, all your T's dot, all your eyes, just to get there and do it. And then they're saying, you know, and then they're saying, Well, prove it. Well, what do you have on your record? Or people showing up after having done all that work? They're showing up to their swearing in to be US citizens. And they're saying, Sorry, nope. And they're like, taken by ice. So you can see what you're saying. Rebecca first, it says violent criminals. Yeah, and you know, you have to have like, an FBI fingerprint background check. You had to do this, like, 10 years ago. Whenever Luis became a citizen, that's like, serious shit, you get your background check. So by the time you're into that swearing in, they know who you are, like you're on record, they know who you are, so they've done all that work. So this is not about being a criminal. This is about there's somebody successful that's possibly not white, that has done all the right things, paid all the fees, has the paperwork, and you don't like them because they're not white. And I think that's directly related to anti blackness. Rebecca  25:40Yeah. Say more about the anti blackness, because we started this conversation talking about Somalis and and Somalis are only the latest target of ice, right? It started with people of Latino descent. So how does that for you come down to anti blackness? Oh, for me, Danielle  26:02I see it as a as a projection. I can't tolerate my feelings about, quote, people of color, but let's be more specific about black people, and I can't tolerate those feelings. And for a time, I think we were in this sliver of time where it was not quite it was still like gaining social momentum to target black folks, but it was still a little bit off limits, like we were still like, oh, it's the criminals. Oh, it's these bad, bad guys. I know it's just the Latinos or, Oh, it's just this, this and this and this. But then if you notice, you start watching these videos, you start noticing they're like, they're grabbing, like, Afro Latinos. They're like, they're like, pushing into that limit, right? Or Puerto Rican folks they've grabbed, who are US citizens? So now you see the hate very clearly moving towards black folks. Like, how does an untrained $50,000 bonus ice agent know if, quote, a black person, quote, you know, if we're talking in the racial construct, has a Somali background or not, right? Right? It actually feels a little bit to me like grooming, right? Rebecca  27:24I I've asked myself this question several times in the past couple of years, like, and if, and I think some of the stuff that I've read like about the Holocaust, similar question, right? Was like, is racism really the thing that is that is driving this or is it something else, like at the at the heart of it, at the end of the day, are you really driven by racialized hate of someone that is different than you? Or is that just the smoke screen that the architects of this moment are using because you'll fall for it, right? And so I do think like you start with the criminals, because that's socially acceptable, and then you move very quickly from the criminals to everybody in that ethnic group, right? And so you see the supreme court now saying that you can stop and frisk somebody on the basis of a surname 28:22or an accent, Rebecca  28:26right? And it feels very much like grooming, because what was socially acceptable was first this very small subset, and now we've expanded to a whole people group, and now we've jumped from one country to another, which is why I think you know MLK is quote about injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. If you're going to come for one subset, you will eventually come for everyone, until the only subset is those in power versus those that aren't. Danielle  29:05Or just, let me just ask you this question then, so you got he's enforcing immigration bans on certain countries. Guess who the where the majority of those countries are located, Africa. Now, why didn't he do that with Latin the Latin America? It's very interesting, Rebecca  29:29and my fear is that it's coming right again. It's socially acceptable in this country to be anti black. Everyone understands that, and then you move from anti black to anti everybody else. And what you say is this, this people group is closer to black than white, and for that reason, they're out too, which is also not a new argument in this country. Jenny  29:58It makes me think of someone you. To this illustration, then I will not get it probably exactly how it is, but it was basically like if I have a room of 10 people, and I need to control those 10 people, I don't need to control those 10 people. I need to make a scapegoat out of three of them, and then the other seven will be afraid to be that scapegoat. And I feel like that is a part of what's going on, where, viscerally, I think that, again, like white bodies know, like it is about race and it's not about race, like race is the justification of hatred and tyrannical control. And I really love the book by Walter Rodney, how Europe underdeveloped Africa. And he traces like what Europe, and I would include the US now has done to the continent of what is so called Africa, and it didn't in the end, that it was used to create race and racism in order to justify exploitation and of people and resources. And so it's like, yeah, I think at the end of the day, it's really not about race, and it is because of the way in which that's been used to marginalize and separate even from the construction of whiteness, was to try to keep lower socioeconomic whites from joining with formerly enslaved black people and indigenous people to revolt against the very few people that actually hold power, like there are way more people that lack power. But if, if those in power can keep everyone siloed and divided and afraid, then they get to stay in power. Danielle  32:01That's where I come back to history. And I feel like, I feel like these guys like JD Vance and Stephen Miller love our history and hate the parts of it that are leading towards liberation. For people, they love that they love the colonization. They talk about it. They've there's a fantasy. They're living in, this fantasy of what could be, of what was for one set of people, and that was white men. And they're enacting their fantasy on us in some ways, you know, I think the question of, you know, Jenny, you always deal with bodies, and, you know, you're kind of known for that shit, I think, I think, just like, but the question of, like, who has a body when, when? Like, when does the body count? You know, like, when does it matter? And it feels like that's where race becomes really useful, 33:09because it gets to say, like, you know, like, that white lady, that's not really, that's not really a murder, you know. Or, you know, George Floyd, like, Nah, that's not really it, you know, just com, and they knew there's so many other lynchings and murders. Like, we can't cover them all. I just think it's just speaks to, like, who, you know, another way to say it'd be like, who's human and who's not. Jenny  33:42And like I sent you. Danielle, there was a post yesterday that someone said, those white lives matter. People seem to be really silent right now. And it just exposes, like the the hypocrisy, even in that and the, I think, the end of not the end, because racial privilege is still there, but, but this moment is exposing something, I think, as you're naming Rebecca, like it feels like this really scary tipping, and maybe hopeful tipping, where it's like there's enough, maybe fear or grasping of power, that there's enough desperation to execute a white woman, which historically and now, I think it says something about where we are in this moment. And I don't know exactly what yet, but I think it's, it's very exposing. Rebecca  34:43Yeah, but my what floats across my mind when you say that is really what has been the narrative or trajectory for white women? Because I think if you start to pull on stories like Emmett Till. 35:01Soul, and you realize what has been done in the name of protecting white women that doesn't actually feel like protection, right, right? And so, so again, you almost have this sense of like white femininity being this pawn, right? And you and you can have this narrative that that sounds like it's protection, sounds like it's value, but really it's not right. I only pull that out and use it when it when it gives me permission to do what I really want to do, right? 35:43And so in this moment. Now, you know, I mean, Emmett Till died because he was accused of looking inappropriately at a white woman, right? More recently, that incident with the the bird watcher in Central Park, right? I mean, his freedom is is under threat because of a white woman and, and then how do we go from that to ice killing a white woman and, and what like you said? What does that actually say about the value of white women, Was it, was it ever really recognized by the powers that be, right? Or is that like a straw man that I put up so I can have permission to do whatever I want? Jenny  36:36Absolutely, yeah, I think the trope of protecting white womanhood. It's it's always given women privilege and power, but that is only in proximity to white men and performing white womanhood. And you know, as you were talking about, the rise of lynchings, it did begin after reconstruction, and it really coincided with the first movie ever shown in theaters, which was Birth of a Nation they showed, yeah, white men in blackface, sexually assaulting a white woman, and the absolute frenzy and justification that that evoked was, we're protecting our white women, which was really always about protecting racial and class privilege, not the sovereignty of the bodies of white women, Rebecca  37:33right, right? And so we're back to your original thought, that what now is exposed, you know, with what happened in Minnesota is it's not really about protecting her and she's expendable. She is, quote, a domestic terrorist 37:56now so that we can justify what we're doing, Jenny  38:15which I think subconsciously at least white bodies have always known like there is something of I am safe and I am protected and I am privileged, so long as I keep performing whiteness. Rebecca  38:39I mean, the thing that scares me about that moment is that now we've gone Danielle from the criminals to the brown skinned citizens to white women who can be reclassified and recast as Domestic Terrorists if you don't toe the line, right? They're coming for everybody, because, because now we have a new category of people that ice has permission to go after, right? And again, it reminds me, if you look back at the black codes, which, again, got established during that same time period as you're talking about Birth of a Nation, Jenny, it became illegal for black people to do a whole host of things, to congregate, to read all kinds of things, right to vote, and in some states, it became illegal for white people to assist them in accomplishing any of those tasks. I Yeah, Danielle  39:53I mean, it's just the obliteration of humanity like the. Literal like, let me any humanity that can you can connect with your neighbor on let me take that away. Let me make it illegal for you to have that human share point with your neighbor. I really, that really struck me. I think it was talking about the the Minnesota mayor saying they're trying to get you to see your neighbor as like, less than human. He's like, don't fall for it. Don't fall for it. And I agree, like, we can't fall for it. I'm mean, it's like that. I Jenny  40:45don't know if you know that famous quote from Nazi Germany that was, like, they came for the Jews. And I didn't say anything because I wasn't a Jew. They, you know? And we've seen this, and we've all grown up with this, and the fact that so many people collectively have been like, well, you know, I'm not a criminal, well, I'm not an immigrant, well, I'm not, and it's like it this beast is coming for everybody, Rebecca  41:13yeah, well, and I, you know, I think That as long as we have this notion of individualism that I only have to look out for me and mine, and it doesn't matter what happens to anyone else. That is allowed the dynamic that you're talking about Jenny is allowed to flourish and until we come to some sense of interdependence until we come to some sense of the value of the person sitting next to me, and until we come to some sense of, if it isn't well with them, it cannot possibly be well with me. That sort of sense of, Well, I'm not a criminal, I'm not a Jew, so I don't have to worry about it is gonna flourish. 42:09Yesterday, I jumped42:12on Facebook for a second, and somebody that I would consider a dear friend had a lengthy Facebook post about how in favor he was of the President's actions in Venezuela, and most of his rationale was how this person, this dictator, was such a horrible person and did all of these horrible things. And my first reaction was, like, very visceral. I don't, I can't even finish this post like, I just, I mean, this is very visceral, like, and, and I don't want to talk to you anymore, and I'm not sure that our 20 plus years of friendship is sufficient to overcome how, how viscerally I am against the viewpoint that you just articulated, and I find myself, you know, a day later, beginning to wonder, Where is there some value in his perspective as a Latino man, what, what is his experience like that, that he feels so strongly about the viewpoint that he feels? And I'm not saying that he's right. I'm saying that if we don't learn to pause for a second and try to sit in the shoes of the other person before dismissing their value as a human. We will forever be stuck in the loop that we're in, right? I don't you know, I don't know that I will change my opinion about how much as an American, I have problems with the US president, snatching another leader and stealing the resources of their country. But I'm trying to find the capacity to hear from a man of Latino descent the harm that has been done to the people of Venezuela under this dictator, right? And I have to make myself push past that visceral reaction and try to hear something of what he's saying. And I would hope that he would do the same. I. Danielle  45:06I don't have words for it. You know, it just feels so deep, like it feels like somewhere deep inside the dissonance and also the want to understand, I think we're all being called, you know, Rebecca, this moment is, you know, this government, this moment, the violence, it's, it's, it's extracting our ability to stay with people like and it's such a high cost to stay with people. And I get that, I'm not saying it isn't, but I think what you're talking about is really important. Rebecca  45:57like you said, Jenny earlier, when you were talking about like, the more you know about something, the less confident you are, right? It's like, I can name, I am not Venezuelan, right? I can name I don't even think I know anybody who's from Venezuela, and if I do, I haven't taken the time to learn that you're actually from Venezuela, right, right? And I don't know anything about the history or culture of that country or the dictator that that was taken out of power. But I have seen, I can see in my friend's Facebook post that that's, it's a very painful history that he feels very strongly about. I so mostly that makes me as a black American, pause on how, on how much I want To dismiss his perspective because it's different than mine. Jenny  47:22I yeah, it also makes me think of how we're so conditioned to think in binaries and like, can there be space to hold the impossible both and where it's like, who am I to say whether or not people feel and are liberated or not in another country? I guess time will tell to see what happens. But for those that are Venezuelan and that are celebrating the removal of Maduro like can that coexist with the dangerous precedent of kidnapping a leader of a foreign country and starting immediately to steal their resources and and how do we Do this impossible dance of holding how complex these these experiences are that we're trying to navigate Rebecca  48:29and to self declare on national TV that like you're the self appointed leader of the country until, until whenever right some arbitrary line that you have drawn that you will undoubtedly change six times. I mean the danger of that precedent. It is I don't have vocabulary for how problematic that is. Danielle  48:57I don't mean to laugh, but if you didn't believe in white supremacy before, I would be giving you a lesson, and this is how it works, and it's awesome. Jenny  49:10And like you're saying, Rebecca, like I love books are coming to me today. There's another one called How to hide an empire and it Chase. It tracks from western expansion in what is now known as the United States to imperialism in the Philippines, in Puerto Rico, like in all of these places where we have established Dominion as a nation, as an empire, and what feels new is how televised and public this is, that people are being forced to confront it, hopefully in a different way, and maybe there can be more of this collective like way to psych it. This isn't what I'm supporting, because. I think for so long, this two party system that we've been force fed has a lot of difference when it comes to internal politics in the United States, but when it comes to transnational and international politics, it's been pretty much very similar for Democrats and Republicans in terms of what our nation is willing to do to other nations that we are conditioned not to think about. And so I think there's a hope. There's a desire for a hope for me to be like, Okay, can we see these other nations as humans and what the US has always done since the beginning. Rebecca  50:45you know, there's what actually happened, and then there's the history book story that we tell about what happened, right? And it like, it like what Danielle said. It appears to me that white supremacy is just blatantly at play, right? Like they're not hiding it at all. They're literally telling you, I can walk I can walk into another country, kidnap its leader and steal its resources. And I will tell you, that's what I'm doing. I will show you video footage of me intercepting oil tankers. I right like, and I will televise the time, place and location of my meeting with all the oil executives to get the oil um and and I'd like to be able to say that that is a new moment in history, and that what feels different is that we've never been so blatant about it, but I'm not sure that's true, right? I would love to have a time machine and be able to go back in some other point in time in American history and find out what they printed on the front page of the newspaper while they were stealing Africans from Africa or all the other while they were committing genocide against all the Native American tribes and all the other places and countries and people groups that the United States has basically taken their people and their resources. And so I don't know if this is different. I don't because, because the history books that I read would suggest that it is that right, but I don't. You can't always trust the narrative that we've been taught. Right? When I think there's an African proverb but as long as history is told by the lion, it will always favor the lion. Jenny  52:55I love you. Really good to be with you. Love you. Bye. Bye. See You Bio: Jenny - Co-Host Podcast (er):I am Jenny! (She/Her) MACP, LMHCI am a Licensed Mental Health Counselor, Somatic Experiencing® Practitioner, Certified Yoga Teacher, and an Approved Supervisor in the state of Washington.I have spent over a decade researching the ways in which the body can heal from trauma through movement and connection. I have come to see that our bodies know what they need. By approaching our body with curiosity we can begin to listen to the innate wisdom our body has to teach us. And that is where the magic happens!I was raised within fundamentalist Christianity. I have been, and am still on my own journey of healing from religious trauma and religious sexual shame (as well as consistently engaging my entanglement with white saviorism). I am a white, straight, able-bodied, cis woman. I recognize the power and privilege this affords me socially, and I am committed to understanding my bias' and privilege in the work that I do. I am LGBTQIA+ affirming and actively engage critical race theory and consultation to see a better way forward that honors all bodies of various sizes, races, ability, religion, gender, and sexuality.I am immensely grateful for the teachers, healers, therapists, and friends (and of course my husband and dog!) for the healing I have been offered. I strive to pay it forward with my clients and students. Few things make me happier than seeing people live freely in their bodies from the inside out!Rebecca A. Wheeler Walston, J.D., Master of Arts in CounselingEmail: asolidfoundationcoaching@gmail.comPhone:  +1.5104686137Website: Rebuildingmyfoundation.comI have been doing story work for nearly a decade. I earned a Master of Arts in Counseling from Reformed Theological Seminary and trained in story work at The Allender Center at The Seattle School of Theology and Psychology. I have served as a story facilitator and trainer at both The Allender Center and the Art of Living Counseling Center. I currently see clients for one-on-one story coaching and work as a speaker and facilitator with Hope & Anchor, an initiative of The Impact Movement, Inc., bringing the power of story work to college students.By all accounts, I should not be the person that I am today. I should not have survived the difficulties and the struggles that I have faced. At best, I should be beaten down by life‘s struggles, perhaps bitter. I should have given in and given up long ago. But I was invited to do the good work of (re)building a solid foundation. More than once in my life, I have witnessed God send someone my way at just the right moment to help me understand my own story, and to find the strength to step away from the seemingly inevitable ending of living life in defeat. More than once I have been invited and challenged to find the resilience that lies within me to overcome the difficult moment. To trust in the goodness and the power of a kind gesture. What follows is a snapshot of a pivotal invitation to trust the kindness of another in my own story. May it invite you to receive to the pivotal invitation of kindness in your own story. Listen with me…Kitsap County & Washington State Crisis and Mental Health ResourcesIf you or someone else is in immediate danger, please call 911.This resource list provides crisis and mental health contacts for Kitsap County and across Washington State.Kitsap County / Local ResourcesResourceContact InfoWhat They OfferSalish Regional Crisis Line / Kitsap Mental Health 24/7 Crisis Call LinePhone: 1‑888‑910‑0416Website: https://www.kitsapmentalhealth.org/crisis-24-7-services/24/7 emotional support for suicide or mental health crises; mobile crisis outreach; connection to services.KMHS Youth Mobile Crisis Outreach TeamEmergencies via Salish Crisis Line: 1‑888‑910‑0416Website: https://sync.salishbehavioralhealth.org/youth-mobile-crisis-outreach-team/Crisis outreach for minors and youth experiencing behavioral health emergencies.Kitsap Mental Health Services (KMHS)Main: 360‑373‑5031; Toll‑free: 888‑816‑0488; TDD: 360‑478‑2715Website: https://www.kitsapmentalhealth.org/crisis-24-7-services/Outpatient, inpatient, crisis triage, substance use treatment, stabilization, behavioral health services.Kitsap County Suicide Prevention / “Need Help Now”Call the Salish Regional Crisis Line at 1‑888‑910‑0416Website: https://www.kitsap.gov/hs/Pages/Suicide-Prevention-Website.aspx24/7/365 emotional support; connects people to resources; suicide prevention assistance.Crisis Clinic of the PeninsulasPhone: 360‑479‑3033 or 1‑800‑843‑4793Website: https://www.bainbridgewa.gov/607/Mental-Health-ResourcesLocal crisis intervention services, referrals, and emotional support.NAMI Kitsap CountyWebsite: https://namikitsap.org/Peer support groups, education, and resources for individuals and families affected by mental illness.Statewide & National Crisis ResourcesResourceContact InfoWhat They Offer988 Suicide & Crisis Lifeline (WA‑988)Call or text 988; Website: https://wa988.org/Free, 24/7 support for suicidal thoughts, emotional distress, relationship problems, and substance concerns.Washington Recovery Help Line1‑866‑789‑1511Website: https://doh.wa.gov/you-and-your-family/injury-and-violence-prevention/suicide-prevention/hotline-text-and-chat-resourcesHelp for mental health, substance use, and problem gambling; 24/7 statewide support.WA Warm Line877‑500‑9276Website: https://www.crisisconnections.org/wa-warm-line/Peer-support line for emotional or mental health distress; support outside of crisis moments.Native & Strong Crisis LifelineDial 988 then press 4Website: https://doh.wa.gov/you-and-your-family/injury-and-violence-prevention/suicide-prevention/hotline-text-and-chat-resourcesCulturally relevant crisis counseling by Indigenous counselors.Additional Helpful Tools & Tips• Behavioral Health Services Access: Request assessments and access to outpatient, residential, or inpatient care through the Salish Behavioral Health Organization. Website: https://www.kitsap.gov/hs/Pages/SBHO-Get-Behaviroal-Health-Services.aspx• Deaf / Hard of Hearing: Use your preferred relay service (for example dial 711 then the appropriate number) to access crisis services.• Warning Signs & Risk Factors: If someone is talking about harming themselves, giving away possessions, expressing hopelessness, or showing extreme behavior changes, contact crisis resources immediately.Well, first I guess I would have to believe that there was or is an actual political dialogue taking place that I could potentially be a part of. And honestly, I'm not sure that I believe that.Well, first I guess I would have to believe that there was or is an actual political dialogue taking place that I could potentially be a part of. And honestly, I'm not sure that I believe that.Rebecca A. Wheeler Walston, J.D., Master of Arts in CounselingEmail: asolidfoundationcoaching@gmail.comPhone:  +1.5104686137Website: Rebuildingmyfoundation.comI have been doing story work for nearly a decade. I earned a Master of Arts in Counseling from Reformed Theological Seminary and trained in story work at The Allender Center at The Seattle School of Theology and Psychology. I have served as a story facilitator and trainer at both The Allender Center and the Art of Living Counseling Center. I currently see clients for one-on-one story coaching and work as a speaker and facilitator with Hope & Anchor, an initiative of The Impact Movement, Inc., bringing the power of story work to college students.By all accounts, I should not be the person that I am today. I should not have survived the difficulties and the struggles that I have faced. At best, I should be beaten down by life‘s struggles, perhaps bitter. I should have given in and given up long ago. But I was invited to do the good work of (re)building a solid foundation. More than once in my life, I have witnessed God send someone my way at just the right moment to help me understand my own story, and to find the strength to step away from the seemingly inevitable ending of living life in defeat. More than once I have been invited and challenged to find the resilience that lies within me to overcome the difficult moment. To trust in the goodness and the power of a kind gesture. What follows is a snapshot of a pivotal invitation to trust the kindness of another in my own story. May it invite you to receive to the pivotal invitation of kindness in your own story. Listen with me… Well, first I guess I would have to believe that there was or is an actual political dialogue taking place that I could potentially be a part of. And honestly, I'm not sure that I believe that. Well, first I guess I would have to believe that there was or is an actual political dialogue taking place that I could potentially be a part of. And honestly, I'm not sure that I believe that.

More To The Story: America in these last 10 years has experienced generational political upheaval, clashes over race and identity, and a battle over the very direction of the country itself. Few writers have charted these wild swings better than staff writer for The New Yorker and Columbia Journalism School Dean Jelani Cobb. And for Cobb, it all started when he was asked to write about an incident that was just beginning to make national news: the death of Trayvon Martin, an unarmed Black 17-year-old in Florida. Cobb recently released Three or More Is a Riot: Notes on How We Got Here: 2012–2025, a collection of essays from more than a decade at The New Yorker, that all begin with that moment of national reckoning over Martin's death. On this week's More To The Story, Cobb looks back at how the Trayvon Martin incident shaped the coming decade, reexamines the Black Lives Matter movement and President Obama's legacy in the age of Donald Trump, and shares what he tells his journalism students at a time when the media is under attack.Producer: Josh Sanburn | Editor: Kara McGuirk-Allison | Theme music: Fernando Arruda and Jim Briggs | Copy editor: Daniel King | Digital producer: Artis Curiskis | Deputy executive producer: Taki Telonidis | Executive producer: Brett Myers | Executive editor: James West | Host: Al Letson Donate today at Revealnews.org/more Subscribe to our weekly newsletter at Revealnews.org/weekly Follow us on Instagram and Bluesky Read: Trump Shuts Down Diversity Programs Across Government (Mother Jones)Listen: Being Black in America Almost Killed Me Part 1 (More To The Story)Watch: Where's Black MAGA While Trump Wipes Black History? (Mother Jones) Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

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With Rachel Perkins.Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Wesley Lowery and Rachel Perkins discuss the violent backlash that has ensued after every period of racial progress in the United States.Event details:Thu 06 Mar, 12:00pm | East Stage

As Black communities are springing to life, a powerful force is rising to return the south to an age of white rule. The Ku Klux Klan is established in 1865 and other white terrorist groups soon follow suit. The Lost Cause mythology is born, providing white southerners with a unifying (if inaccurate) narrative and a new vision to rally around: a white-rule south. They advance this vision through violence, propaganda, and voter suppression. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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In today's episode Guilaine reflects on the phenomenon and social dynamic of what has been called whitelash, a combination of white/whiteness and backlash. The term was coined by African-American journalist Van Jones to describe the backlash of White America coming together to reject what had been seen as a liberalisation of the USA under Obama. And in a more general sense it describes the sense of grievance, the sense of anger, the sense of frustration that originates from people racialised as White that comes from an often misconstrued and misconceived sense of displacement and social change which is a reaction to a perception that social advancements are being made in terms of equality. This is a concept and area that is expanded on in Guilaine's second book White Minds.After defining and exploring the concept she then considers it within the terms of group analytic thinking, theory and practice, and looks the relationship between the socio-political and the ways that institutions, organisations and individuals relate and interact, focusing on the workplace.She considers the whitelash that we are currently experiencing almost 4 years after the murder of George Floyd galvanised institutions to make commitments and how those words and sometimes actions are now being pushed back against very strongly. And how this whitelash is also being felt across many intersections and identities.She then shares some observations from her experience of delivering work related DEI training and looks at the affect of whitelash on Race Reflections as both an organisation and as a business.White Minds is available to buy here: https://policy.bristoluniversitypress.co.uk/white-mindsVan Jones on whitelash: https://www.vox.com/identities/2016/11/9/13572182/van-jones-cnn-trump-election-2016Subscribe, rate and review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcasts, Amazon Music or wherever you get your podcasts.To send us your queries, questions and dilemmas please email atwork@racereflections.co.uk

Wesley Lowery, the Pulitzer Prize-winning author and former correspondent for the Washington Post, Boston Globe and CBS news, has written a thoughtful, imaginative and sobering book about the rise of white nationalist violence. The book is American Whitelash: A Changing Nation and the Cost of Progress. Lowery speaks with Tom about incidents of racial violence all over the country. His exploration is simultaneously illuminating and honoring the suffering of the victims and those close to them.Email us at midday@wypr.org, tweet us: @MiddayWYPR, or call us at 410-662-8780.

Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion is the latest Wypipo boogeyman. Why? Because losing privilege seems like discrimination when you haven't known any other reality. Michael Harriot, defines DEI, and explains why conservatives have it in their crosshairs. "Imagine if every institution, every law, every policy in America benefited you. Well, when those advantages were removed, you might look at that as discrimination." Music Courtesy of Transitions Music Corporation Media Clips Courtesy of: Fox News, Ben Shapiro, and HBOSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

As a diverse group of people in America celebrated the progress represented by the ascension of Barack Obama to the presidency, others, predominantly white, used it as a pretense to produce a new and fearsome wave of white backlash–a whitelash.  Emerging in the moment, coupled with news that America would be a majority-minority country in … Read More Read More

Kehinde Andrews talks with Wesley Lowrey at a live event earlier this year about his arrest while covering protests in Ferguson, Missouri, and about his new book American Whitelash. A book about the rise in racial violence in the decade following the election of the US' first Black president.  Wesley Lowery is a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist, reporter, editor, and best-selling author known for his written audio, and on-camera work. He has served as a national correspondent for the Washington Post and an on-air correspondent for CBS News and 60 Minutes. His first book “They Can't Kill Us All” published right after Trump's election, chronicles his experience covering the protest movement that emerged following the death of Oscar Grant, Trayvon Martin, Eric Garner, and Michael Brown. - American Whitelash The Resurgence of Racial Violence in Our Time: https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/443220/american-whitelash-by-lowery-wesley/9780241517123 Wesley Lowery's Arrest:https://www.facinghistory.org/resource-library/wesley-lowerys-arrest African and Caribbean People in Britain by Hakim Adi review – long before the Windrush docked: https://www.theguardian.com/books/2022/aug/28/african-and-caribbean-people-in-britain-by-hakim-adi-review-long-before-the-windrush-docked We Are Black and Britishhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0014t9r - Guest: @wesleylowery Host: @kehindeandrews (IG) / @kehinde_andrews (T) Podcast: @makeitplainorg - Psychosis of Whiteness Book Tour Dates 7 (Thurs) with @nelsabbey in London 11 (Mon) @toppingsbath 12 (Tues) online @guardianlive 13 (Wed) with @afuahirsch @lrbbookshop 17 (Sun) with @bbbookfestival @Manchester City Library Ticket: https://linktr.ee/KehindeAndrews

(This conversation was originally broadcast on July 6, 2023.) For more, visit https://www.wypr.org/show/midday  Welcome to this encore edition of Midday.  Tom's guest today is Wesley Lowery, the Pulitzer Prize-winning author and former correspondent for the Washington Post, Boston Globe and CBS news, who is currently Executive Director of the Investigative Reporting Workshop, an innovative training program at American University in Washington DC. Lowery has just published a thoughtful, imaginative and sobering book about the rise of white nationalist violence. While violence against people of color has long been a staple of the American story, Lowery examines the pernicious increase in racial violence since the years of the Obama presidency. He explores about a half dozen incidents of racial violence all over the country in which people of color were brutally and fatally attacked, illuminating and honoring the suffering of the victims and those close to them, and chronicling why the perpetrators carried out these heinous acts. It's an insightful look at our national story and our national shame, replete with original reporting and original thinking about what Lowery calls “the defining force of our time.”The book is American Whitelash: A Changing Nation and the Cost of Progress.  Wesley Lowery joined Tom in Studio A in early July, when he was in town for an appearance at the Enoch Pratt Library.Because this conversation was recorded earlier, we won't be taking any calls or emails.Email us at midday@wypr.org, tweet us: @MiddayWYPR, or call us at 410-662-8780.

Links from the show:* American Whitelash: A Changing Nation and the Cost of Progress* Connect with Wesley or follow him on Twitter* Rate the showAbout my guest:Wesley Lowery is a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist, best selling author, podcast host and on-air correspondent.At The Marshall Project, he is among the team members working on Testify, an unprecedented effort to examine the criminal courts in his hometown of Cleveland, Ohio. At The Washington Post he led a Pulitzer Prize winning team conducting groundbreaking investigations into law enforcement nationally. At CUNY, he runs an investigative journalism lab.He was an executive producer of In the Cold Dark Night, an Emmy-nominated documentary chronicling the effort to solve the 1983 lynching of Timothy Coggins.For GQ, he has gone deep about marriage and monogamy with Will Smith, talked politics and the press with Trevor Noah, dove into the post-scandal life of Andrew Gillum, and chronicled the last days of death row inmate Dustin Higgs. For Men's Health he wrote about opiod overdoses among black men in Milwaukee and cities across the country. And for the cover of Ebony he profiled Tessa Thompson.As an on-air correspondent for 60 Minutes+. the streaming version of CBS News' iconic newsmagazine, Lowery reported from protests in Minneapolis and Kenosha, aboard a crab boat in the Chesapeake Bay, and from the frontlines of the COVID-19 pandemic.Lowery has extensively chronicled police violence and the Black Lives Matter movement, and specializes in journalism that marshals data to illuminate the realities within the three branches of the American criminal legal system — police, prosecutors and prisons. Get full access to Dispatches from the War Room at dispatchesfromthewarroom.substack.com/subscribe

In the new book "American Whitelash," Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Wesley Lowery examines the pattern of racist violence that follows racial progress in our country, including the recent white supremacist violence that surged following Barack Obama's presidency. Wesley sat down with Geoff Bennett to discuss his findings. PBS NewsHour is supported by - https://www.pbs.org/newshour/about/funders

In the new book "American Whitelash," Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Wesley Lowery examines the pattern of racist violence that follows racial progress in our country, including the recent white supremacist violence that surged following Barack Obama's presidency. Wesley sat down with Geoff Bennett to discuss his findings. PBS NewsHour is supported by - https://www.pbs.org/newshour/about/funders

Pulitzer Prize–winning journalist Wesley Lowery argued that moments of progress in race matters in the U.S. are often met with acts of violence. He was interviewed by Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism Dean Jelani Cobb. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Pulitzer Prize–winning journalist Wesley Lowery argued that moments of progress in race matters in the U.S. are often met with acts of violence. He was interviewed by Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism Dean Jelani Cobb. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In conversation with award-winning journalist and broadcaster Tracey Matisak In American Whitelash, Wesley Lowery examines the cyclical pattern of violence that marks each watershed moment of racial progress in this country, most recently evidenced by the resurgence of white supremacist movements during and following Barack Obama's 2008 presidential election. Formerly The Washington Post's lead journalist in Ferguson, Missouri, during the aftermath of the murder of African American teenager Michael Brown, Lowery, together with his team, won the 2016 Pulitzer Prize for national reporting for the paper's coverage of police shootings. He was a 2019 Pulitzer Prize finalist for his project ''Murder with Impunity,'' and he is currently a contributing editor at The Marshall Project and a journalist-in-residence at the CUNY Newmark Graduate School of Journalism. His New York Times bestseller, They Can't Kill Us All: Ferguson, Baltimore, and a New Era in America's Racial Justice Movement won the Christopher Isherwood Prize for autobiographical prose by the Los Angeles Times Book Prize. Because you love Author Events, please make a donation to keep our podcasts free for everyone. THANK YOU! (recorded 7/20/2023)

The 2024 presidential campaign is already well underway, but today we’re going to take a step back and examine the connection between Barack Obama’s presidency and the rise of white racial violence. It’s what Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Wesley Lowery calls the “American Whitelash” (also the title of his new book), which to some extent is rooted in economic fear. On the show today: How the election of former President Obama spurred a white racist backlash, why economic fear is entangled with xenophobia and the media’s role in all of it. Plus, is the media ready to cover the 2024 elections? (Spoiler: It’s not). Later, we'll explain how Russia's decision to pull back from a wartime agreement on grain exports will hurt countries that suffer from food insecurity. And, why the Joe Biden administration's plan to restrict investment in Chinese tech could get a bit messy. Then, a listener tells us how their home state is dealing with flighty insurers. And, economist Peter Atwater shares that he was wrong about what it really means to have confidence. Here’s everything we talked about today: “The ‘American Whitelash' Is Far From Over” from Politico “Support for the Black Lives Matter Movement Has Dropped Considerably From Its Peak in 2020” from Pew Research Center “Trump's history of inciting violence in words and tweets: A timeline from 2015 through the Capitol attack” from Vox “Why allowing Ukraine to ship grain during Russia’s war matters to the world” from AP News “US Plans Narrow China Tech Investment Limits, Likely by 2024” from Bloomberg We want to hear your answer to the Make Me Smart question. You can reach us at makemesmart@marketplace.org or leave us a voicemail at 508-U-B-SMART.

The 2024 presidential campaign is already well underway, but today we’re going to take a step back and examine the connection between Barack Obama’s presidency and the rise of white racial violence. It’s what Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Wesley Lowery calls the “American Whitelash” (also the title of his new book), which to some extent is rooted in economic fear. On the show today: How the election of former President Obama spurred a white racist backlash, why economic fear is entangled with xenophobia and the media’s role in all of it. Plus, is the media ready to cover the 2024 elections? (Spoiler: It’s not). Later, we'll explain how Russia's decision to pull back from a wartime agreement on grain exports will hurt countries that suffer from food insecurity. And, why the Joe Biden administration's plan to restrict investment in Chinese tech could get a bit messy. Then, a listener tells us how their home state is dealing with flighty insurers. And, economist Peter Atwater shares that he was wrong about what it really means to have confidence. Here’s everything we talked about today: “The ‘American Whitelash' Is Far From Over” from Politico “Support for the Black Lives Matter Movement Has Dropped Considerably From Its Peak in 2020” from Pew Research Center “Trump's history of inciting violence in words and tweets: A timeline from 2015 through the Capitol attack” from Vox “Why allowing Ukraine to ship grain during Russia’s war matters to the world” from AP News “US Plans Narrow China Tech Investment Limits, Likely by 2024” from Bloomberg We want to hear your answer to the Make Me Smart question. You can reach us at makemesmart@marketplace.org or leave us a voicemail at 508-U-B-SMART.

Wesley Lowery, Pulitzer Prize Winning Journalist joined Megan Lynch talkign about his latest book "American Whitelash: A Changing Nation and the Cost of Progress"    (Photo by Kris Connor/Getty Images for Rare)

Episode Notes Recent acts of racial violence are often explained aways as isolated incidents yet a longer view of our nation's history provides much-needed context to understand our present moment and what may lay ahead. In his latest book, American Whitelash: A Changing Nation and the Cost of Progress, Wesley Lowery brings together insights from history, interviews, data, and a close examination of six cases of white racial violence that occurred in the decade following Obama's election. He demonstrates how periods of white racist backlash have occurred after moments of social progress.   _Wesley Lowery is a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist, and one of the nation's leading reporters on issues of race and justice. He is the executive editor of the Investigative Reporting Workshop at American University in Washington DC. He is also the author of the New York Times best-selling book, _They Can't Kill Us All: Ferguson, Baltimore and a New Era in America's Racial Justice Movement.

Host Brian Stelter talks with Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Wesley Lowery about the historic challenges of building a multiracial democracy, the focus of his new book, American Whitelash: A Changing Nation and The Cost of Progress. The pair also address how race plays out in the courtroom, on the heels of the Supreme Court striking down affirmative action in college admissions, and in the newsroom, where journalists, at times, struggle to provide clarity and context. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Wesley Lowery, the Pulitzer Prize-winning author and former correspondent for the Washington Post, Boston Globe and CBS news, has written a thoughtful, imaginative and sobering book about the rise of white nationalist violence. While violence against people of color has long been a staple of the American story, Lowery examines the pernicious increase in racial violence since the years of the Obama presidency. The new book is American Whitelash: A Changing Nation and the Cost of Progress. He explores about a half dozen incidents of racial violence all over the country in which people of color were brutally and fatally attacked, illuminating and honoring the suffering of the victims and those close to them, and chronicling why the perpetrators carried out these heinous acts.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Wesley Lowery, author of American Whitelash: A Changing Nation and the Cost of Progress, discusses how the mindsets of white people, extremist attitudes, and the massive shift of how the country changed in response to demographic shifts and the Obama administration.Facepalm America: facepalmamerica.comTwitter: @FacepalmUSAFind Beowulf: @BeowulfRochlenThis show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5189985/advertisement

Maria and Julio are joined by Wesley Lowery, journalist and author, to discuss his new book “American Whitelash: A Changing Nation and the Cost of Progress.” They get into how the election of Barack Obama in 2008 led to an increase in anti-immigrant, white supremacist and racially-motivated violence in America.   ITT Staff Picks:  In this interview for Politico, Erin Aubry Kaplan talks to Wesley Lowery about how racial violence has been embedded in our culture since our nation's founding.  “And while it is true that sweeping change and deeply felt reckoning remain elusive, it is equally true that sustained activism has brought significant change to municipalities across the country,” writes Wesley Lowery, in this article for The Washington Post.  Odette Yousef talks about the concern over political repression as domestic terrorism charges in Georgia rise, in this article for NPR.   Photo credit: Wesley Lowery 

On today's episode: Nonprofit founder Lakayana DruryDrury is the founder and executive director of Word is Bond, a nonprofit based in Portland, Oregon, and inspired by the obstacles he overcame to discover his life path. He's an educator, social entrepreneur, community organizer, and storyteller who uses art, poetry and photography to uplift hidden stories to inspire others to collective action.Topics: 02:15 Drury's journey and finding mentorship 07:46 Unpacking the school-to-prison pipeline 11:15 Feeling “Black enough” and navigating racial identites 15:43 Word as Bond and empowering young Black men 22:50 Backlash and “Whitelash” and new Black leadersFor more information on Drury's nonprofit work, visit mywordisbond.org. If you want to reach out directly to Drury visit lakayanadrury.com.

Our guest today is an incredible reporter and journalist—Wesley Lowery. In this episode we talk with him about his recently released book, American Whitelash, and how he approaches his writing. Check out Real Ballers Read here --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/realballersread/support

On this episode of Our Body Politic, we focus on two hot topics in the news: the wave of white supremacist sentiments that has taken hold inside and outside of government, and the state of voting rights in America. First, Our Body Politic host and creator Farai Chideya speaks with Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Wesley Lowery about his latest book,“American Whitelash: A Changing Nation and the Cost of Progress,” examining the “whitelash” to the notion of a “post-racial America” after the election of President Barack Obama. Then, Farai is joined by Tiffany Jeffers, associate professor of law at Georgetown Law and Our Body Politic contributor And Kimberly Atkins Stohr, senior opinion writer and columnist for Boston Globe Opinion, to discuss the latest Supreme Court ruling on voting rights, the legitimacy of SCOTUS, and President Donald Trump's indictments, and how all of these factors may play a role in the 2024 presidential election.

EPISODE 1565: In this KEEN ON show, Andrew talks to Wesley Lowery, the Pulitzer prize winning journalist and author of AMERICAN WHITELASH, about the cost of progress in an increasingly multiracial America WESLEY LOWERY is a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist, author and on-air correspondent. He currently works as a contributing editor at The Marshall Project and a Journalist-in-Residence at the CUNY Newmark Graduate School of Journalism. In nearly a decade as a national correspondent, Lowery has specialized in issues of race, justice and law enforcement. He led the Washington Post team that was awarded the Pulitzer Prize for National Reporting in 2016 for the creation and analysis of a real-time database to track fatal police shootings in the United States. His project, “Murder with Impunity,” an unprecedented look at unsolved homicides in major American cities, was a finalist for the Pulitzer Prize in 2019. His first book, They Can't Kill Us All: Ferguson, Baltimore, and a New Era in America's Racial Justice Movement, was a New York Times bestseller and awarded the Christopher Isherwood Prize for Autobiographical Prose by the Los Angeles Times Book Prize. Named as one of the "100 most connected men" by GQ magazine, Andrew Keen is amongst the world's best known broadcasters and commentators. In addition to presenting KEEN ON, he is the host of the long-running How To Fix Democracy show. He is also the author of four prescient books about digital technology: CULT OF THE AMATEUR, DIGITAL VERTIGO, THE INTERNET IS NOT THE ANSWER and HOW TO FIX THE FUTURE. Andrew lives in San Francisco, is married to Cassandra Knight, Google's VP of Litigation & Discovery, and has two grown children. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Things just keep getting worse for Starbucks.  First, they have their woke leftist customers up in arms because they're being accused of canceling pride displays, Now, they have to pay a former employee tens of millions of dollars because she was fired for being white!   Highlights:  ●      “A former Starbucks regional manager, Shannon Phillips, has just been awarded over $25 million dollars after a federal jury found that she was fired due to her race.” ●      “What this court decision highlighted is what's widely known today as ‘reverse discrimination' which is generally defined as the unfair treatment and social exclusion of the dominant ethnicity! Unfortunately, reverse discrimination appears to be an intrinsic characteristic of modern liberal society and its dedication to what's called multiculturalism." ●      “Could you imagine celebrating white history month or singing the white national anthem before the super bowl?”    Timestamps:     [02:21]  Starbucks began unfairly punishing white employees to demonstrate their supposed repentance [06:57] Multiculturalism, often if not always, involves reverse discrimination [07:44] Could you imagine celebrating white history month? Resources:  ●      Go to https://expressvpn.com/turley to find out how you can get 3 months free! ●      Join Dr. Steve's Community of Courageous Patriots Building a PARALLEL Conservative World at https://join.turleytalks.com/insiders-club-evergreen/?utm_medium=podcast  ●      Join my growing FREE Courageous Patriot Network TODAY: https://group.turleytalks.com/telegram-chat-optin ●      Give your skin a healing feeling. Soothing benefits of pure Bentonite Clay. Made the Amish Way on a farm in South Dakota. Use Promo Code: TURLEY for an exclusive discount. Olde Country Soap. Experience the Tradition. Go to https://www.oldecountrysoap.com/ ●      Learn how to protect your life savings from inflation and an irresponsible government, with Gold and Silver. Go to http://www.turleytalkslikesgold.com/   Thank you for taking the time to listen to this episode.  If you enjoyed this episode, please subscribe and/or leave a review. Make sure to FOLLOW me on Twitter: https://twitter.com/DrTurleyTalks BOLDLY stand up for TRUTH in Turley Merch! Browse our new designs right now at: https://store.turleytalks.com/ Do you want to be a part of the podcast and be our sponsor? Click here to partner with us and defy liberal culture! If you want to get lots of articles on conservative trends, sign up for the 'New Conservative Age Rising' Email Alerts.

After covering police shootings of Black people across the country in his 2016 debut, "They Can't Kill Us All," in his second book, Wesley Lowery tackles the rise of white supremacy and its often violent consequences.rnrnMany in the nation cheered the election of Barack Obama and the significance it meant for racial progress in the U.S. But as Lowery explains in American Whitelash: A Changing Nation and the Cost of Progress, Obama's election also led to increased instances of racial violence. He draws a direct line between the rise of white power in America and the election of Donald Trump. Utilizing his background and skills as a journalist, Lowery analyzes the effects of white supremacy through a historical and present day lens-all while searching for a way forward.rnrnLowery is a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist who previously worked for The Washington Post. He is currently a contributing editor at The Marshall Project and a journalist-in-residence at the Craig Newmark Graduate School of Journalism at City University of New York.rnrnJoin us for a conversation about racial progress and white supremacy with Shaker Heights native Wesley Lowery as he visits The City Club again.

The Library Love Fest Podcast is back with the April 2023 episode! We have a new format, posting episodes twice a month. On this episode, we are featuring a round-up of books that the LLF team is reading and a conversation between AMERICAN WHITELASH author Wesley Lowery and Executive Editor Rakia Clark. Stay until the end to hear a voicemail from a librarian answering the question "What's the best book display you have featured in the library?" We are still taking calls for the second episode this month! Call 212-207-7773 and answer our monthly question. See you halfway through the month for our LibraryReads episode! Find show notes here: You can find us on Facebook and Twitter @librarylovefest or on TikTok and Instagram @harperlibrary.

Broadcasting live from Fargo (the movie is still better than the TV series), Jonah can't help but spend most of today's Ruminant gloating about how he's been correct on recent issues ranging from the silliness of “Latinx” to the craziness of Tucker Carlson. Political demographics, the Omicron variant, and the future of conservatism are also discussed, but at the end of it all, one question remains: Is “I informed you thusly” a more satisfying phrase than “I told you so?” Show Notes:- The Wednesday G-File- No one uses “Latinx”- Are Hispanics evenly split between the parties?- The Commentary podcast on Democrats and Hispanics- Rich Lowry on the WSJ poll- Sean Trende on what motivates Hispanic voters- Whitelash, by Terry Smith- Can't hold it back anymore- Jim Geraghty on good news regarding Omicron- Well-known progressive Mitch McConnell

Dinesh D'Souza joins today's episode to talk about his new “Making America” series of PragerU videos on America's founders! Plus activists organize a protest at Will's speech tonight, Brian Stelter says 1619 Project bans are a “Whitelash”, and Amala answers your advice questions!

White evangelical conservatives are dragging the rest of us into the last century. To hear Danielle's full conversation with Danielle Campoamor, support Woke AF Daily at Patreon.com/WokeAF. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Deanna, Doug, and Jerod tell us who they would want to vacation with and where, plus... White Backlash - White backlash (portmanteau whitelash) or white rage (sometimes white rage backlash) is the negative response of some white people to the racial progress of other ethnic groups in rights and opportunities, their growing cultural parity, political self-determination or dominance. Action Bias - The action bias describes our tendency to favor action over inaction, often to our benefit. However, there are times when we feel compelled to act, even if there's no evidence that it will lead to a better outcome than doing nothing would. Find us on Twitter: @Hessteacherest @japhillips0722 @dougtimm34 --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/speakingeducationally/message

The events that took place on January 6th, 2021 was history in the making and whitelash in action! The pro-Trump rioters stormed a building that's supposed to be one of the most secure in the world. In this episode we dissect three questions that gnawed at our collective consciousness like a dog with a bone; 1) Why weren't more police present to protect the building? 2) Why were rioters not only able to enter the building, but to leave peacefully afterwards?3) What kind of actions will be taken against those who illegally attempted a coup and posted threatening messages online?I'm proud to keep putting these episodes out, but would love some reviews on Apple Podcasts and on Spotify! If you'd like to reach out for a community mention or just to chat you can email me at knownonsensepodcast@gmail.com or on Instagram @racism.is.nonsense. 

Lol at thinking just because 2020 was ending so would the bullshit. Top of the year and we got a full on insurrection. A damn COUP! If you're anything like us, you're still taking it in trying to unpack what the hell just happened. In learning, we stumbled upon "Whitelash" (11:30) which is essentially white backlash to black progress. Yes there's a name for it and it's a real thing. This week we get into what it looks like (14:45), some of the causes (23:30) and the jig being up (47:50). We also take a quick break to talk about Japanese whiskey (29:20), Savannah's thoughts on traveling back in time (36:30) and Donald breaks some harsh but necessary news (37:15).

Maria and Julio are back to process last week's events, including the white supremacist violence at the U.S. Capitol. They are joined by ITT All-Star and contributing opinion writer at The New York Times, Wajahat Ali, and national politics reporter for The Boston Globe, Jazmine Ulloa, who was reporting from the Capitol building at the time of the attack. They also hear from Azadeh Shahshahani who is the legal and advocacy director at Project South and co-counsel on a class action lawsuit against Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) and Dr. Mahendraa Amin for the forced hysterectomies of immigrant women at the Irwin County Detention Center in Georgia. ITT Staff Picks: "Lawmakers, national security experts, and political analysts said one thing is clear: The nation stands at a critical and fragile moment," writes Jazmine Ulloa in her recent piece for The Boston Globe.In this piece for VICE News, Reina Sultan talked with five people arrested at Black Lives Matter protests across the country about their reactions to the violence that unfolded at the Capitol.Omar Wasow, Assistant Professor in the Department of Politics at Princeton University, shares this Twitter thread on how the attack on the Capitol was "mob justice" and is "rooted in our long history of racial authoritarianism."Photo credit: AP Photo/Manuel Balce Ceneta, file See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Please join us Sunday at 1pm cdt as we discuss white lies, whitelash, and black lives.  History repeats itself and what we're currently experiencing is the time proven playbook of white people not being able to trick us into silence, obedience, and accomplices in their desperate attempt to keep & maintain power and control. The current political landscape is not new; however, tRump has thrown a few sucker punches that most Americans were not expecting and have no idea how to respond to. Between the overt ism's & phobias, most Americans are experiencing whiplash from watching the political parties sling mud, playing gotcha politics, and not being sure if anyone can be trusted.  Unfortunately, Covid had factored even more distrust in the political systems that are supposed to govern for us.  Feel free to dial in 310-982-4273 and press 1 to speak.

A look at some of the backlash of racism from some white people to the Black Lives Matter movement. Omar Moore also looks at some white people on television who are at least beginning to struggle with their own discomfort around their own personal position regarding racism. And: it's Election Day in Kentucky, New York and Virginia. June 23, 2020. Please check your voter registration weekly through October. Omar's film review of “Da 5 Bloods” (bit.ly/37nliju) Check your voter registration and register to vote at iwillvote.com, rockthevote.org, whenweallvote.org. MOORE THOUGHTS: moore.substack.com. Moore On Medium: medium.com/@omooresf The Politicrat YouTube page: bit.ly/3bfWk6V The Politicrat Facebook page: bit.ly/3bU1O7c The Politicrat blog: politicrat.politics.blog SUBSCRIBE to this podcast! Follow/tweet Omar at: http://twitter.com/thepopcornreel Follow/tweet The Politicrat at: twitter.com/the_politicrat

Aceblade vs Whitelash by Danny J Quick Art by Michael Lee Harris Wyatt Lee Ashton- Pro Black and Anti Establishment activist Wyatt Ashton, never had trouble fitting in. Growing up well educated and well aware of the history of African Americans, he never found it hard to have a conversation about anything with any group of people. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/supershorts/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/supershorts/support

Winnipeg's Whiteout street parties are attracting thousands of Jets fans downtown to celebrate their team, but for some people the image of throngs dressed head-to-toe in all white can be threatening. NOTE: Due to YouTube Censorship, all In Studio Cam videos of the entire week's edition of THE CLASSIC METAL SHOW are uploaded to: https://www.dailymotion.com/theclassicmetalshow Catch THE CLASSIC METAL SHOW Saturdays from 9pm to 3am EST at www.theclassicmetalshow.com. https://www.theclassicmetalshow.com - WEBSITE https://www.dailymotion.com/theclassicmetalshow - DAILYMOTION https://www.reddit.com/r/classicmetalshow - REDDIT https://www.gab.com/theclassicmetalshow - GAB https://www.chatandkill.com - CHATROOM https://www.bitchute.com/channel/classicmetalshow - BITCHUTE https://www.facebook.com/thecms - FACEBOOK https://www.twitter.com/cmsrocks - TWITTER https://www.instagram.com/classicmetalshow - INSTAGRAM PODCAST: https://www.spreaker.com/user/cmsrocks - SPREAKER https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/classic-metal-show-best-podcast/id295946198 - iTUNES https://open.spotify.com/show/5B6g73ONnQskxRk79KAJ9I - SPOTIFY https://play.google.com/music/listen?u=0#/ps/Ilolxypla5l5zk7diswqfm2zae4 - GOOGLE PLAY https://www.iheart.com/podcast/139-the-classic-metal-show-26997557/episodes/ - iHEARTRADIO https://tunein.com/podcasts/Talk-Show-Replays/The-Classic-Metal-Show-p587552/ - TUNEIN https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/the-classic-metal-show - STITCHER

In this episode, Marci Rockey at OCCRL talks with Dr. Claire Crawford, BRIDGE Research Fellow at the Center for Research in Race and Education at the School of Education at the University of Birmingham, about transnational whitelash in educational policy and practice.

Author and host of CNN's "The Van Jones Show," Van Jones swings by to discuss how to fight with your friends (nicely), how to fight with your enemies (even more nicely), and whether white kids should dress up as "Black Panther" hero T'challa. Later, Fatherly's Science Editor Josh Krisch stops by to discuss how to teach trauma to a kid without traumatizing them.  Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Those involved in publishing and marketing CNN commentator Van Jones’ new book were tempted to call it "Whitelash," using the term he coined to described the force that put Donald J. Trump in the Oval Office. But, instead, the book is called "Beyond the Messy Truth," a reference to Van Jones’s recurring primetime special, "The Messy Truth." The subtitle of the book is key: "How We Came Apart, How We Come Together." Jones offers a challenge to everyone opposed to Trump, including a growing number of Republicans, to acknowledge that the president is a divisive distraction from the nation’s most important business and work toward common ground. There are big problems facing the country, and it’s hard to find agreement on some of those. But, as the CNN political commentator outlines in his latest book, there are places where compromise and solutions are possible.Links:http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/09/politics/van-jones-results-disappointment-cnntv/index.htmlhttps://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/561176/beyond-the-messy-truth-by-van-jones/9780399180026/

Join Willa aka Willa tha King and Wiltz aka J Wiltz as they talk everything from Donald Trump to Lebron James to Kim K's booty. Come get somewhat informed and hella entertained.   Topics: NFL week 1, Jemelle Hill tweets and whitelash. Outsider's Boxing Podcast will be back Sunday. 

#HolliewoodAndFriends is back! LIVE every Sunday 3pm ET. Call 646-716-8544 to listen! Host @IamHollieWood, @MissJuudy and @VenorMusic got you covered with what's #HotInTheBlogs! In their own funny, crazy, and sometimes out-of-line way! Listen in! SUNDAY 2/12: Music's Biggest Night: #TheGrammys | Predictions, Performers, Rumors + More. Violence Erupt In Paris Following Police Sodomizing Young Black Man #JusticePourTheo. President 45 Furious After Court Upholds Block Of Travel Ban. Why Netflix Series Trailer 'Dear White People' Has A Lot Of White People Upset. Beyoncé Coachella Update. and a whole lot MORE! ________________________________________ Question of The Day: Who should win Album of the Year at the Grammys? Adele (25), Beyonce (Lemonade), Justin Bieber (Purpose), Drake (Views) or Strugill Simpson (A Sailor's Guide to Eart)? Lastly, #WhatBlowsMine (where you, the listener can call in and tell the world what's that one thing that just gets under your skin) Tune in live Sunday at 3pm ET! You can call 646-716-8544 just to listen or press 1 when you wanna join in the discussion, we'll bring you on live. ________________________________________ Are you an artist? Do you know an artist? Submit music to the be played on the show holliewoodandfriendsradio@gmail.com Business Inquiries: hamptonblu@gmail.com (@hamptonblunetwork)

THE SPIN: a weekly all WOC podcast SPECIAL FOCUS: Donald Trump - #WHITELASH Trump's 53% -White American women, betrayal and accountability The Rise of Global White Nationalism - Trump, Brexit & the Far Right Host: Esther Armah Contributors: Sofia Quintero & Staceyann Chin

Donald Trump is the new President of the United States of America. Despite the antics and divisive rhetoric he was able to win by way of what some believe was a "Whitelash". The thing many feared is now real, and America is left to figure some things out. Simone and BG give their takes on the events of election week, including Saturday Night Live performances by Dave Chappelle and A Tribe Called Quest.