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Cheap Talk is an every-week-or-so international relations podcast with Jeff Kaplow and Marcus Holmes, professors of government at William & Mary.

Jeff Kaplow and Marcus Holmes


    • May 23, 2025 LATEST EPISODE
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    Putting in the Work

    Play Episode Listen Later May 23, 2025 59:21


    Cheap Talk's Season 5 finale: Everyone is cheating their way through college; remembering Joe Nye; interpreting President Trump's big beautiful phone call with Vladimir Putin; evaluating the Golden Dome missile defense system; missile defense and strategic stability; and Marcus is looking forward to season 6We're mostly taking the summer off from podcasting (unless something big happens), but we'll be back to our regular weekly schedule in the fall. In the meantime, please subscribe to Cheap Talk on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your podcast player of choice to be notified when new episodes are posted. The opinions expressed on this podcast are solely our own and do not reflect the policies or positions of William & Mary.Check out our online store at https://cheaptalk.shop.Please send us your questions or comments.Further Reading:Picture of Trump and Zelensky at the Vatican.See all Cheap Talk episodes

    They're Using it Wrong

    Play Episode Listen Later May 9, 2025 63:43


    Some good arguments against AI use in the classroom; how students are actually using AI; the idea of AI as a learning coach; other models for AI use by students; testing out an AI prediction coach; the balance between coaching and just doing the work for you; issues to consider before deploying AI in the classroom; and Marcus does math without a calculatorTry the AI prediction coach described in the podcast (requires a free ChatGPT login)The opinions expressed on this podcast are solely our own and do not reflect the policies or positions of William & Mary.Please subscribe to Cheap Talk on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your podcast player of choice to be notified when new episodes are posted. Check out our online store at https://cheaptalk.shop.Please send us your questions or comments!Further Reading:Anthropic. 2025. Anthropic Education Report: How University Students Use Claude.See all Cheap Talk episodes

    People Who Know What They're Talking About

    Play Episode Listen Later May 5, 2025 45:25


    Iran nuclear talks are a marathon, not a sprint; three models for an Iran nuclear agreement; the role of technical expertise in nuclear negotiations; snap-back sanctions as a point of leverage; the demise of Iran's proxy network; a regional solution to the nuclear problem; President Trump's metrics for a successful deal; and Marcus says chafing is for amateursThe opinions expressed on this podcast are solely our own and do not reflect the policies or positions of William & Mary.Check out our new

    Things Were Under Control

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 21, 2025 44:53


    The resumption of Iran nuclear talks; direct vs. indirect negotiations; the administration's confusing messaging around the goals of talks; what kind of a deal is actually achievable; President Trump's potential advantages in trying to reach a deal; and Marcus looks ahead to 2032The opinions expressed on this podcast are solely our own and do not reflect the policies or positions of William & Mary.Check out our new

    Airlifting iPhones From China

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 11, 2025 51:02


    Normalizing national security-related Signal chats; blaming Siri for revealing the Signal chat; what is the plan with US tariff policy; trade deficits are normal and fine; anti-expert public opinion; political dimensions to the tariff story; bringing manufacturing back to the United States; the domestic politics of tariffs; and Marcus is running a trade deficit with Fresh MarketThe opinions expressed on this podcast are solely our own and do not reflect the policies or positions of William & Mary.Check out our new

    Fist Bump, American Flag, Fire Emoji

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 28, 2025 60:05


    High-level US government deliberations on the Signal app; the true beliefs of our national security leaders; why using Signal for national security discussions is a bad idea; classified information and Signal's security; the use of emoji in formal work settings; and Marcus is more of a WhatsApp personThe opinions expressed on this podcast are solely our own and do not reflect the policies or positions of William & Mary.Please subscribe to Cheap Talk on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your podcast player of choice to be notified when new episodes are posted.Please send us your questions or comments!Further Reading:Jeffrey Goldberg and Shane Harris. 2025. “Here Are the Attack Plans That Trump's Advisers Shared on Signal.” The Atlantic. Dan Black. 2025. “Signals of Trouble: Multiple Russia-Aligned Threat Actors Actively Targeting Signal Messenger.” Google Threat Intelligence.See all Cheap Talk episodes

    An Olfactory Device

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 23, 2025 57:28


    Trip report from the 2025 International Studies Association Annual Conference; the reasons to attend academic conferences; whether diplomats will embrace virtual reality diplomacy; the usefulness of AI in diplomacy; teaching people to use AI; and Marcus goes out for deep dish pizzaThe opinions expressed on this podcast are solely our own and do not reflect the policies or positions of William & Mary.Please subscribe to Cheap Talk on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your podcast player of choice to be notified when new episodes are posted.Please send us your questions or comments!See all Cheap Talk podcasts

    When Face-to-Face Diplomacy Attacks

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 10, 2025 44:39


    The disastrous return of face-to-face diplomacy between Trump and Zelensky; the ambush theory of international diplomacy; should this meeting have been an email; a stark signal to Europe and other allies; and Marcus' rooms have feelsThe opinions expressed on this podcast are solely our own and do not reflect the policies or positions of William & Mary.Please subscribe to Cheap Talk on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your podcast player of choice to be notified when new episodes are posted. Please send us your questions or comments!Further Reading:Marcus Holmes and Nicholas Wheeler. 2025. “Trump and Zelensky: when face-to-face diplomacy goes wrong it can be disastrous – especially if the whole world is watching.” The Conversation. See all Cheap Talk episodes

    Gulf of Cheap Talk

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 2, 2025 46:12


    Five things we did this week; small signs of pushback against Elon Musk; foreign policy implications of DOGE; security risks from merging government computer systems; efficiency vs. other priorities in government; what's in a place name; the fleeting nature of place names in a digital world; maps as arbiters of truth; Mapquest does not care; and Marcus' rose is off the budThe opinions expressed on this podcast are solely our own and do not reflect the policies or positions of William & Mary.Please subscribe to Cheap Talk on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your podcast player of choice to be notified when new episodes are posted. Please send us your questions or comments!Further Reading:Mapquest's “Gulf of Something” websiteSee all Cheap Talk episodes

    Maybe Fun Is the Wrong Word

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 20, 2025 45:23


    A bad week for Ukraine and transatlantic relations; Trump's mini-feud with Zelensky; a bargaining approach to the question of whether Zelensky could have avoided war; the return of spheres of influence; reassuring words from Vladimir Putin; Europe's appetite for securing a post-conflict Ukraine; and Marcus embraces rationalismThe opinions expressed on this podcast are solely our own and do not reflect the policies or positions of William & Mary.Please subscribe to Cheap Talk on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your podcast player of choice to be notified when new episodes are posted. Please send us your questions or comments!Further Reading:James D. Fearon. 1995. “Rationalist Explanations for War.” International Organization 49(3): 379–414.See all Cheap Talk podcasts

    Not Yet on Administrative Leave

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 14, 2025 49:58


    The Trump administration's early moves and their implications for US foreign policy; hollowing out expertise in the civil service; the loss of USAID; Trump's designs on the Gaza Strip; tough signals to Ukraine on upcoming negotiations; and Marcus is already working on the op-edThe opinions expressed on this podcast are solely our own and do not reflect the policies or positions of William & Mary.Please subscribe to Cheap Talk on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your podcast player of choice to be notified when new episodes are posted. Please send us your questions or comments!See all Cheap Talk podcasts

    The Empty Shell of Bed Bath & Beyond

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 1, 2025 53:25


    Pandas are back in our nation's capital; DeepSeek challenges the AI status quo; TikTok remains in legal limbo; how TikTok is like Bed Bath & Beyond; and Marcus is always up for a little China talkThe opinions expressed on this podcast are solely our own and do not reflect the policies or positions of William & Mary.Please subscribe to Cheap Talk on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your podcast player of choice to be notified when new episodes are posted. Please send us your questions or comments!Further Watching/Reading/Listening:Giant Panda Cam from the Smithsonian's National ZooGiant Pandas Bao Li and Qing Bao Play in the SnowEthan Mollick. 2025. “Which AI to Use Now: An Opinionated Guide.” One Useful Thing. Cheap Talk Podcast with Jaime Settle. 2024. “Mostly Golden Retriever Videos.”

    Just a Big Real Estate Deal

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 26, 2025 39:07


    The opinions expressed on this podcast are solely our own and do not reflect the policies or positions of William & Mary.Please subscribe to Cheap Talk on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your podcast player of choice to be notified when new episodes are posted. Please send us your questions or comments!

    Dishwasher and Microwave Safe

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 7, 2024 62:29


    New products (and discounts!) in the Cheap Talk online store at cheaptalk.shop; heterarchy in international relations; rebel advances in Syria; continuing popular protests in Georgia; the German Chancellor visits Ukraine; and Marcus hates hand-washing coffee mugsThe Cheap Talk store has been restocked with new t-shirts, hoodies, mugs, and stickers, perfect for the IR enthusiast in your life. All new designs are on sale for a limited time. Order before 12/16 with expedited shipping to receive your items by Christmas.Cheap Talk is taking a holiday break, but will be back with new episodes in January. Subscribe in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your podcast player of choice to be notified when new episodes are posted.The opinions expressed on this podcast are solely our own and do not reflect the policies or positions of William & Mary.Please send us your questions or comments!Further Reading/Listening:Check out the research of Kyuri Park at kyuripark.comDan Maliniak on Cheap Talk

    Live From Williamsburg

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 27, 2024 61:32


    Cheap Talk records live from Williamsburg, Virginia with the students of William & Mary's Government 204 course, Introduction to International Politics, answering questions about Ukraine, face-to-face diplomacy, the international relations paradigms, North Korea, and more; and Marcus had a good time(Our apologies for some audio issues this week—we hope you enjoy the podcast anyway. We will be back with our usual crystal clear audio next time.)The opinions expressed on this podcast are solely our own and do not reflect the policies or positions of William & Mary.Please subscribe to Cheap Talk on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your podcast player of choice to be notified when new episodes are posted. Please send us your questions or comments!

    Your Board Game Journey

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 20, 2024 46:17


    Moritz Graefrath joins Cheap Talk to discuss the new international relations board game World Order; the role of IR theory in the design of the game; how board games can teach us about the world; the state of board games today; some recommendations for getting started in gaming; and Marcus doesn't play board gamesMoritz Graefrath is a Security and Foreign Policy Postdoctoral Fellow at William & Mary's Global Research Institute. He is an academic advisor for the new board game World Order, available for backing on Kickstarter until December 5.The opinions expressed on this podcast are solely our own and do not reflect the policies or positions of William & Mary.Please subscribe to Cheap Talk on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your podcast player of choice to be notified when new episodes are posted.Please send us your questions or comments!See all Cheap Talk episodes

    We're Doing This Again

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 15, 2024 55:46


    What to expect from the new Trump administration's foreign policy; uncertainty about Trump's foreign policy views; new risks for Ukraine; fewer limits on Israeli action in the Middle East; tariffs and trade barriers with China; poor prospects for cooperative efforts on climate change; hope for a new deal with North Korea but worries about South Korean security; the important role of foreign policy professionals in government; and Marcus will allow an opening statement if he gets a rebuttalThe opinions expressed on this podcast are solely our own and do not reflect the policies or positions of William & Mary.Please subscribe to Cheap Talk on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your podcast player of choice to be notified when new episodes are posted. Please send us your questions or comments!See all Cheap Talk episodes

    That Guy Knows Democracy

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 1, 2024 50:53


    Dan Maliniak joins Cheap Talk to discuss the recent elections in the country of Georgia; evidence of irregularities; how much of this is Russia's fault; European identity in Georgia; the path forward from here; the little-known fact that wine started in Georgia; what the US can do; and Marcus is a big Dave Matthews Band guyDan Maliniak is an associate professor of government at W&M. Check out his research on Google Scholar.The opinions expressed on this podcast are solely our own and do not reflect the policies or positions of William & Mary.Please subscribe to Cheap Talk on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your podcast player of choice to be notified when new episodes are posted.Please send us your questions or comments!Further Reading/Watching:Jesse Driscoll and F. Daniel Hidalgo. 2014. “Intended and unintended consequences of democracy promotion assistance to Georgia after the Rose Revolution.” Research & Politics 1(1).Dave Matthews Band. 2024. Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony.

    Go Forth and Be More Cautious

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 19, 2024 40:54


    The Nobel Peace Prize awarded to atomic bomb survivors; the importance of living memory in international relations; the policy effect of first-person testimony; living through history and thus not repeating it; how society collectively understands history; and Marcus is not actually undecidedThe opinions expressed on this podcast are solely our own and do not reflect the policies or positions of William & Mary.Please subscribe to Cheap Talk on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your podcast player of choice to be notified when new episodes are posted.Please send us your questions or comments!Further Reading:Remarks by President Obama and Prime Minister Abe of Japan at Hiroshima Peace Memorial, May 27, 2016.Rebecca Davis Gibbons. 2018. “The humanitarian turn in nuclear disarmament and the Treaty on the Prohibition of Nuclear Weapons.” The Nonproliferation Review 25 (1–2): 11–36.Michael C. Horowitz, Allan C. Stam, and Cali M. Ellis. 2015. Why Leaders Fight. Cambridge University Press.See all Cheap Talk episodes

    The Dream World You're Living In

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 11, 2024 64:52


    How long it would take for Iran to have a nuclear weapon; where these estimates come from; Iran's strategy of nuclear hedging; why the Iran deal failed and the prospects for nuclear diplomacy; Israel's ability to strike Iran's nuclear program; NotebookLM and the arrival of AI podcasts; and Marcus is pretty sure he's human and not AI The opinions expressed on this podcast are solely our own and do not reflect the policies or positions of William & Mary.Please subscribe to Cheap Talk on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your podcast player of choice to be notified when new episodes are posted.Please send us your questions or comments!See all Cheap Talk episodes

    Twist the Logic in Knots

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 3, 2024 65:27


    The chain of events that led to Israel's attacks against Hezbollah; what could lead to a cessation of hostilities; Iran's attack on Israel and Israel's possible response; calls for Israel to attack Iran's nuclear program; the folly of “restoring deterrence” in the Middle East; diminished US leverage; and Marcus is still undecidedThe opinions expressed on this podcast are solely our own and do not reflect the policies or positions of William & Mary.Please subscribe to Cheap Talk on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your podcast player of choice to be notified when new episodes are posted.Please send us your questions or comments!See all Cheap Talk episodes

    A Time of Intense Difficulty or Anger

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 27, 2024 65:30


    Israel's aims in its attacks on Hezbollah; Iran's role in the current conflict; what is a crisis, really; the US perspective; how to get to a ceasefire from here; OpenAI's new ChatGPT model; evaluating model risk; deceptive alignment; and Marcus is still an AI optimistThe opinions expressed on this podcast are solely our own and do not reflect the policies or positions of William & Mary.Please subscribe to Cheap Talk on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your podcast player of choice to be notified when new episodes are posted.Please send us your questions or comments!Further reading:OpenAI. 2024. “OpenAI o1 System Card.”Signal Samuel. 2024. “The new followup to ChatGPT is scarily good at deception,” Vox. See all Cheap Talk episodes

    A Big Thing When I Was in High School

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 19, 2024 55:47


    The exploding pager attacks in Lebanon; the use of pagers as communications infrastructure; supply chain vulnerabilities; the supposed safety of outdated technology; Israeli motivations for the attacks; the risk of escalation in the Middle East; and Marcus consults a focus groupThe opinions expressed on this podcast are solely our own and do not reflect the policies or positions of William & Mary.Please subscribe to Cheap Talk on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your podcast player of choice to be notified when new episodes are posted.Please send us your questions or comments!

    Balloons are Back

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 13, 2024 64:03


    Trash balloons on the Korean Peninsula; unification policy and public diplomacy; checking in on anarchy in the international system; why there isn't a world government; reasons to study (or ignore) international relations paradigms; the importance of thinking big thoughts in IR; and Marcus reveals he is anti-scienceThe opinions expressed on this podcast are solely our own and do not reflect the policies or positions of William & Mary.Please subscribe to Cheap Talk on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your podcast player of choice to be notified when new episodes are posted.Please send us your questions or comments!Further reading:Jin Yu Young. 2024. “North Korea Launches New Salvo of Balloons, but the South Barely Shrugs.” New York Times. David A. Lake. 2009. Hierarchy in International Relations. Cornell University Press. David A. Lake. 2011. “Why "isms" Are Evil: Theory, Epistemology, and Academic Sects as Impediments to Understanding and Progress.” International Studies Quarterly 55(2): 465–480.John J. Mearsheimer and Stephen M.Walt. 2013. “Leaving theory behind: Why simplistic hypothesis testing is bad for International Relations.” European Journal of International Relations 19(3): 427–457.See all Cheap Talk episodes

    Now it's not a secret, is it?

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 2, 2024 69:29


    Cheap Talk makes a triumphant return for its 5th season: sauna diplomacy; what Olympic medal counts say about international prestige; our new secret nuclear plan; transparency and nuclear deterrence; Ukraine's Kursk offensive; political vs. military goals in Ukraine; US restrictions on Ukraine's military efforts; and Marcus discovers long-standing concepts in international relationsPlease subscribe to Cheap Talk on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your podcast player of choice to be notified when new episodes are posted.Please send us your questions or comments!Further Reading:Alyson Krueger. 2024. ‘Whatever Happens in the Sauna Stays in the Sauna': Diplomacy, Conducted in the Nude.” The New York Times.Robbie Gramer. 2023. “The Finnish Art of Sauna Diplomacy.” Foreign Policy.J. Patrick Rhamey, Jr. and Bryan R. Early. 2013. “Going for the gold: Status-seeking behavior and Olympic performance.” International Area Studies Review 16(3): 244-261.

    A Couple of Non-Sports News Stories

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 30, 2024 51:29


    The foreign policy implications of recent US news; a bad day for Vladimir Putin; Harris' likely foreign policy; the role of the Vice President in international affairs; assassination attempts as a signal of vulnerability; international norms against assassination; and Marcus is keeping up with the newsWe will be recording at a slightly slower pace over the summer. Please subscribe to Cheap Talk on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your podcast player of choice to be notified when new episodes are posted.Please send us your questions or comments! Send us an email or leave us a voicemailFurther Reading:Joshua Byun and Austin Carson. 2024. “The Senile Superpower?” Foreign Affairs.See all Cheap Talk episodes

    You're Experienced and Then You're Too Old

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 13, 2024 62:50


    Leader age and international security; perceptions of experience vs. cognitive decline; does any of this matter for international outcomes; foreign policy is more than just a leader's decisions; the problem with hotlines; and Marcus briefly considered a presidential runWe will be recording at a slightly slower pace over the summer. Please subscribe to Cheap Talk on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your podcast player of choice to be notified when new episodes are posted.Please send us your questions or comments! Send us an email or leave us a voicemailFurther Reading:Dana G. Smith. 2024. “A User's Guide to Midlife.” New York Times. Joshua Byun and Austin Carson. 2023. “More than a Number: Aging Leaders in International Politics.” International Studies Quarterly 67(1). Christian Ruhl. 2024. “Beijing is unavailable to take your call: Why the US-China crisis hotline doesn't work.” Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists.See all Cheap Talk episodes

    Bird Flu Is in All the Milk

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 20, 2024 56:05


    The US allows Ukraine to strike into Russia; the effect of making this public knowledge; prospect theory and taking greater risks in the loss domain; the risk of escalation is context-dependent; wargaming as a way to understand an adversary's response; how concerned should we be about a possible bird flu pandemic; and Marcus is a worrywartWe will be recording at a slightly slower pace over the summer. Please subscribe to Cheap Talk on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your podcast player of choice to be notified when new episodes are posted.Please send us your questions or comments! Send us an email or leave us a voicemailCheck out the Cheap Talk online store at cheaptalk.shopSee all Cheap Talk episodes

    Trust But Verify

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 4, 2024 48:25


    The international implications of the Trump verdict; pandas are coming back to DC; trust vs. confidence in international relations; reciprocity in the nuclear nonproliferation regime; the real-world importance of trust semantics; interpersonal vs. inter state trust; precedent and trusting relations; and Marcus trusts CanadaWe will be recording at a slightly slower pace over the summer. Please subscribe to Cheap Talk on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your podcast player of choice to be notified when new episodes are posted.Please send us your questions or comments! Send us an email or leave us a voicemailCheck out the Cheap Talk online store at cheaptalk.shopFurther Reading:Andrew H. Kydd. 2005. Trust and Mistrust in International Relations. Princeton University Press.See all Cheap Talk episodes

    What a Time To Be Alive

    Play Episode Listen Later May 21, 2024 50:43


    The role of foreign affairs in the just-announced presidential debates; an international marathon update; orangutan diplomacy isn't really diplomacy; the cutest diplomatic animals; cognac diplomacy also isn't really diplomacy; Antony Blinken plays guitar and delivers a message of US support in Kyiv; does nuclear deterrence even work; and Marcus confesses his love for presidential debatesWe will be recording at a slightly slower pace over the summer. Please subscribe to Cheap Talk on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your podcast player of choice to be notified when new episodes are posted.Please send us your questions or comments! Send us an email or leave us a voicemailCheck out the Cheap Talk online store at cheaptalk.shopFurther Reading:Detroit Free Press MarathonHeather Chen. 2024. “An ape for palm oil? Why critics say Malaysia's ‘orangutan diplomacy' plan is problematic.” CNN.com. Associated Press. 2024. “Call it Cognac Diplomacy: France offered China's Xi a special drink, in a wink at their trade spat.”Watch Antony Blinken play Rocking' in the Free World in a Kyiv Bar Paul Poast. 2024. “What We Don't Know About Nuclear Deterrence Could Hurt Us.” World Politics Review.See all Cheap Talk episodes

    Sting Operation

    Play Episode Listen Later May 9, 2024 58:46


    The role of bees in international politics; Panda diplomacy is happening; Ukraine's tenuous position against Russia; prospects for a US/China AI arms control process; letting AI decide to deploy nuclear weapons; the State Department's new digital and cyber strategy; and Marcus is no entomologistPlease subscribe and leave a review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your podcast player of choicePlease send us your questions or comments! Send us an email or leave us a voicemailFurther Reading:Sarah Kliff. 2024. “Honeybees Invaded My House, and No One Would Help.” New York Times.Alan Rappeport. 2024. “Giant Pandas Are Returning to San Diego, China Announces.” New York Times.Edward Geist. 2024. “Building a Foundation for Strategic Stability with China on AI.” RAND Corporation.US Department of State. 2024. Building Digital Solidarity: The United States International Cyberspace & Digital Policy Strategy.David E. Sanger. 2024. “A New Diplomatic Strategy Emerges as Artificial Intelligence Grows.” New York Times.See all Cheap Talk episodes

    Can't We Just Enjoy the Moment?

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 29, 2024 47:42


    Panda diplomacy, local edition; what is diplomacy, anyway; Israel's retaliation against Iran; a success story for international diplomacy; a restrained response as a particular kind of signal; the TikTok ban is happening; US aid to Ukraine is happening; Russian strategy in response to this aid; US-Taiwan military collusion; and Marcus thinks things are looking upPlease subscribe and leave a review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your podcast player of choicePlease send us your questions! Send us an email or leave us a voicemailJeff's book, Signing Away the Bomb, is now available in paperback!Further Reading:Heather Knight. 2024. “San Francisco Mayor Gives Panda Diplomacy a Try.” New York Times.See all Cheap Talk episodes

    We Consider This Matter Closed

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 18, 2024 58:57


    TikTok as an information-gathering platform; worries about a wider war in the Middle East; the signal sent by Iran's attack against Israel; a missile defense success story; how technology affects the risk of escalation; Iran's nuclear program as a potential target for Israel; cyberattacks in gray zone conflict; a chance for diplomacy to work; and Marcus is hopeful that he is rightPlease subscribe and leave a review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your podcast player of choicePlease send us your questions! Send us an email or leave us a voicemailJeff's book, Signing Away the Bomb, is now available in paperback!Further Reading/Listening:Cheap Talk Podcast. March 22, 2024. “Mostly Golden Retriever Videos.” With Special Guest Jaime Settle.Tiffany Hsu and Steven Lee Myers. 2024. “China's Advancing Efforts to Influence the U.S. Election Raise Alarms.” New York Times.Gaby Del Valle. 2024. “Report: TikTok's efforts to silo US data are ‘largely cosmetic.'” The Verge.Cheap Talk Recommends:Shogun (Hulu)Love is Blind, Season 5 (Netflix)Ripley (Netflix)The Magic Prank Show with Justin Willman (Netflix)Magic for Humans (Netflix)See all Cheap Talk episodes

    Their Own Little Animosities

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 12, 2024 64:00


    Fragmentation in the international relations discipline; normal science versus overarching theory; insights from the International Studies Association annual conference; the best name for a political science department; the US-Japan state visit; state dinners as a signal of alliance ties; insulating the US-Japan relationship from a future Trump administration; Japan's increasing role in defense cooperation; and Marcus prefers running uphillPlease subscribe and leave a review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your podcast player of choicePlease send us your questions! Send us an email or leave us a voicemailJeff's book, Signing Away the Bomb, is now available in paperback!Further Reading:Michael D. Shear. 2024. “To Counter China's Rising Power, Biden Looks to Strengthen Ties With Japan.” New York Times.Cheap Talk recommends:Otter.ai (AI meeting notes)Perplexity.ai (AI-powered information discovery)See all Cheap Talk episodes

    Spend Those Escalatory Activities Wisely

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 1, 2024 57:33


    What is happening with the Apple Vision Pro; recent Chinese cyber activity; signaling and deterrence in the cyber domain; building and maintaining cyber trust; demonstrating a capability without losing it; the psychological impact of potential cyberattacks; managing the overall US-China relationship in the midst of cyber incidents; extending the US cyber umbrella; cyber-intrusions into the electoral system in democracies; and Marcus likes powerPlease subscribe and leave a review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your podcast player of choicePlease send us your questions! Send us an email or leave us a voicemailFurther reading/listening:David E. Sanger and Mark Landler. 2024. “U.S. and Britain Accuse China of Cyberespionage Campaign.” New York Times. Cheap Talk Podcast. 2023. “Giving ChatGPT Our Nuclear Codes.” Cheap Talk recommends:True Detective: Night Country on MaxShogun on FX/Hulu3 Body Problem on NetflixWorld War II: From the Frontlines on NetflixSee all Cheap Talk episodes

    Mostly Golden Retriever Videos

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 22, 2024 67:05


    Jaime Settle joins Cheap Talk to discuss her research on social media networks; pending legislation to ban TikTok; how social media influences political knowledge and mobilization; the importance of the algorithm to the social media experience; what it is like to work with Meta to conduct research on Facebook; and Marcus is not afraid to take a standJaime Settle is the Cornelia Brackenridge Talbot Professor of Government and Data Science at William & Mary. Check out her work on Google Scholar.Subscribe and leave a review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your podcast player of choicePlease send us your questions or comments! Send us an email or leave us a voicemailSupport the podcast by visiting our online store at cheaptalk.shopRead Jaime Settle's books:Frenemies: How Social Media Polarizes AmericaWhat Goes Without Saying: Navigating Political Discussion in America (with Taylor Carlson)Further reading/listening:2020 Election Research Project. 2023. “First Four Papers from US 2020 Facebook & Instagram Research Election Study Published in Science and Nature.” Medium.Cheap Talk Podcast. 2023. “It Comes Down to Paranoia.”See all Cheap Talk podcasts

    Armageddon, Not Just A Good Movie Anymore (Rebroadcast)

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 12, 2024 67:26


    A rebroadcast of the October 16, 2022 episode of Cheap Talk: The sixtieth anniversary of the Cuban Missile Crisis; lessons from the crisis; the dangers of reasoning from analogy; why Russia would use tactical nuclear weapons in Ukraine; how NATO would respond if they did; gambling for resurrection; the US role in facilitating peace; and Marcus would prefer that countries refrain from using nuclear weaponsWe'll be back with a new episode of Cheap Talk soon!Subscribe and leave a review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your podcast player of choicePlease send us your questions or comments! Send us an email or leave us a voicemailSupport the podcast by visiting our online store at cheaptalk.shopFurther Reading:David E. Sanger. 2024. “Biden's Armageddon Moment: When Nuclear Detonation Seemed Possible in Ukraine.” New York Times.Richard E. Neustadt and Ernest R. May. 1986. Thinking in Time: The Uses of History for Decision-Makers. Free Press.Yuen Foong Khong. 1992. Analogies at War: Korea, Munich, Dien Bien Phu, and the Vietnam Decisions of 1965. Princeton University Press.See all Cheap Talk episodes

    The Be-All and End-All of Explaining International Events

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 5, 2024 56:46


    How leaders matter if you believe countries are people; what would happen if Putin died; the impact of the Russian invasion two years on; what a nuclear weapon in space means for international security; space nukes and the violation of international law; and Marcus thinks every listener would agreeSubscribe and leave a review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your podcast player of choicePlease send us your questions or comments! Send us an email or leave us a voicemailSupport the podcast by visiting our online store at cheaptalk.shopFurther Reading:Rajan Menon. 2024. “Putin Has Already Lost.” New York Times.See all Cheap Talk Episodes

    Let a Thousand Flowers Bloom

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 27, 2024 48:48


    Special guest Nicholas Wheeler returns to Cheap Talk to explain the English School of international relations; why the English School never took off in the US; methodology in IR theory; the fractionalization of IR; nuclear responsibilities; and Marcus doesn't love sharing the spotlightNicholas Wheeler is @WheelerICCS on Twitter/X. You can also find him on LinkedIn and Google Scholar.Subscribe and leave a review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your podcast player of choicePlease send us your questions or comments! Send us an email or leave us a voicemailSupport the podcast by visiting our online store at cheaptalk.shopFurther Reading:Too many to listSee all Cheap Talk podcasts

    Everyone Has a Theory

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 17, 2024 61:17


    Nicholas Wheeler joins Cheap Talk to discuss his research program in international diplomacy; personal chemistry among leaders; the security dilemma; explaining Russia's aggression toward Ukraine; the policy utility of international theory; and Marcus is so excitedSubscribe and leave a review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your podcast player of choicePlease send us your questions or comments! Send us an email or leave us a voicemailSupport the podcast by visiting our online store at cheaptalk.shopNick Wheeler's books include:Saving Strangers: Humanitarian Intervention in International SocietyThe Security Dilemma: Fear, Cooperation and Trust in World Politics (with Ken Booth)Trusting Enemies: Interpersonal Relationships in International ConflictFurther Reading:Marcus Holmes. 2018. Face-to-Face Diplomacy: Social Neuroscience and International Relations. Cambridge University Press.Robert Jervis. 1976. Perception and Misperception in International Politics. Princeton University Press.Tuomas Forsberg and Heikki Patomäki. 2022. Debating the War in Ukraine: Counterfactual Histories and Future Possibilities. Routledge. Stephen M. Walt. 2022. “An International Relations Theory Guide to the War in Ukraine.” Foreign Policy.See all Cheap Talk episodes

    A Joe Biden Meat Suit

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 9, 2024 81:12


    What the Apple Vision Pro means for the future of international diplomacy; the essential elements necessary to realize the benefits of face-to-face diplomacy; micro-expressions and realism in virtual worlds; barriers to outsiders and the risk of eavesdropping; verifying that you're talking to the person you think you're talking to; the promise of training in virtual and augmented reality; and Marcus can't wait to hear about thisSubscribe and leave a review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your podcast player of choicePlease send us your questions or comments! Send us an email or leave us a voicemailSupport the podcast by visiting our online store at cheaptalk.shopFurther Reading:Marcus Holmes. 2018. Face-to-Face Diplomacy: Social Neuroscience and International Relations. Cambridge University Press. Sign up for an Apple Vision Pro demo at your local Apple Store via Apple's websiteSee all Cheap Talk episodes

    Like the Friends We Were in Bali

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 1, 2024 58:19


    Iran and the risk of a wider war in the Middle East; the likely US response to the recent drone strike; how to cooperate in an age of conflict; barriers to working together; the role of confidence-building mechanisms in international security; the death of the dream of Korean reunification; and Marcus doesn't want to scare the listenerSubscribe and leave a review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your podcast player of choicePlease send us your questions or comments! Send us an email or leave us a voicemailSupport the podcast by visiting our online store at cheaptalk.shopSee all Cheap Talk podcasts

    Exercise in Optimism

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 27, 2024 66:18


    Doomsday clock trivia; the origins of the clock; over-interpreting what time it is; becoming desensitized to global threats; public education and advocacy around existential risk; risk assessment by the global elite; the perils of expert prediction; and Marcus thinks this is a trick questionSubscribe and leave a review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your podcast player of choicePlease send us your questions or comments! Send us an email or leave us a voicemailSupport the podcast by visiting our online store at cheaptalk.shopFurther reading:“2024 Doomsday Clock Announcement.” 2024. Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists.“Doomsday Clock Timeline.” 2023. Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists.Kennette Benedict. 2023. “Answers to Common Questions.” Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists. “Global Risks Report 2024.” 2024. World Economic Forum. Philip E. Fetlock and Dan Gardner. 2015. Superforecasting: The Art and Science of Prediction. Crown Books.Seth Walder. 2023. “Going for 2 down 8 points: Explaining NFL analytics strategy.” ESPN.com.See all Cheap Talk episodes

    We're Going To Launch Another Missile at You

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 21, 2024 62:29


    International bright spots for 2024; democracy is still a thing; a newly aggressive Iran; Iran as a missile power; domestic political imperatives for international conflict; Pakistan's response and the maintenance of an international reputation; an absence of diplomacy in the region; the US and multinational response to Houthi attacks; where is Saudi Arabia when you need them; whether Iran has changed its strategy; and Marcus is the psychologist in the roomSubscribe and leave a review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your podcast player of choicePlease send us your questions or comments! Send us an email or leave us a voicemailSupport the podcast by visiting our online store at cheaptalk.shopFurther Reading:Lara Jakes and David E. Sanger. 2024. “Iran's New Missile Fleet: Part Deterrent, Part Sales Pitch.” New York Times.See all Cheap Talk episodes.

    The Gloves May Come Off

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 12, 2024 68:15


    Happy New Year from Cheap Talk: The top global risks in 2024; the shadow of the US presidential election; the Russia/Ukraine conflict and the dangers of risk-taking; a broader war in the Middle East; accidental conflict and North Korea; China's economy; AI and misinformation; extreme weather and El Niño; the erosion of limits on nuclear weapons; the decline of global cooperation; and Marcus declines to make a New Year's resolutionSubscribe and leave a review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your podcast player of choice.Please send us your questions or comments! Send us an email or leave us a voicemail.Support the podcast by visiting our online store at cheaptalk.shop.Further watching:CGP Grey. 2020. “Your Theme” (on New Year's themes). YouTube. See all Cheap Talk episodes

    When the Bill Comes Due

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 15, 2023 73:33


    The final Cheap Talk podcast of 2023: Thanks for visiting our store at cheaptalk.shop; Beast Train follow-up; EU regulation and the project of AI governance; the tension between domestic and international action; the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty is a poor analogy for an international agreement on AI; an agreement at the Climate Summit; non-binding agreements and screening for national preferences; the role of nuclear energy in combatting climate change; and Marcus will see you next yearGet all your holiday gifts at the new Cheap Talk shop!We'll be back in January, 2024. Subscribe in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your podcast player of choice to be notified about new episodes.Send us your questions via email or voicemail.Further Reading:Oscar Martinez. 2013. The Beast: Riding the Rails and Dodging Narcos on the Migrant Trail. Verso.Pedro Ulteras. 2010. La Bestia. Ian W. Fieggen. 2023. “Granny Knot Info.” Ian's Shoelace Site.Ian W. Fieggen. 2023. “Granny Knot Analyser.” Ian's Shoelace Site.See all Cheap Talk episodes

    Anti-Diplomacy

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 9, 2023 62:36


    Check out the new Cheap Talk shop at https://cheaptalk.shop; Chinese asylum seekers at the southern US border; the Beast Train; the latest Cuban espionage case and motivations for spying; why parties to conflict agree to ceasefires; the latest in the Elgin Marbles saga; royal neckwear; and Marcus has strange taste in YouTube videosGet all your holiday gifts at the new Cheap Talk shop!Subscribe and leave a review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your podcast player of choicePlease send us your questions! Send us an email or leave us a voicemailFurther Reading:Eileen Sullivan. 2023. “Growing Numbers of Chinese Migrants Are Crossing the Southern Border.” New York Times.Glenn Thrush, Ernesto Londoño, David C. Adams and Frances Robles. 2023. “Retired U.S. Diplomat Accused of Working as a Secret Agent for Cuba.” New York Times.Virginia Page Fortna. 2004. Peace Time: Ceasefire Agreements and the Durability of Peace. Princeton University Press.Sean Coughlan and Brian Wheeler. 2023. “King's tie features Greek flag after Elgin Marbles row.” BBC. See all Cheap Talk episodes

    He Can't Get His Laptop on the Tray Table

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 2, 2023 59:20


    The grand opening of the Cheap Talk shop at https://cheaptalk.shop; cheating at really fast chess; yet another panda update—this time from Scotland; video games as the solution to polarization and international peace; video games to strike fear into your hearts; Biden skips the climate summit; and Marcus is nothing if not consistent Holiday shopping? Check out the brand new Cheap Talk shop! Our books also make great gifts:Signing Away the Bomb, by Jeffrey M. KaplowFace-to-Face Diplomacy, by Marcus HolmesPlease subscribe and leave a review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your podcast player of choicePlease send us your questions! Send us an email or leave us a voicemailFurther Reading:Amit Kamath. 2023. “Hikaru Nakamura's dig at Vladimir Kramnik over cheating accusations: ‘He doesn't have a brain, he's lost it.'” Indian Express.Eduardo Medina. 2023. “Britain Says Bye-Bye to Its Only Pandas as They'll Soon Depart for China.” New York Times.David Wallace Lockhart. 2023. “Angus Robertson criticised by SNP colleague over China trip.” BBC.Steffie S.Y. Kim, Ke M. Huang-Isherwood, Weiwei Zheng, and Dmitri Williams. 2022. “The art of being together: How group play can increase reciprocity, social capital, and social status in a multiplayer online game.” Computers in Human Behavior 133.Michael D. Shear. 2023. “Harris to Stand In for Biden at U.N. Climate Conference.” New York Times.See all Cheap Talk episodes

    Giving ChatGPT Our Nuclear Codes

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 18, 2023 78:26


    Panda diplomacy revisited; the State Department's dissent channel; whether dissent cables matter; Xi and Biden meet without a a joint statement; resuming military-to-military communication; managing competition between China and the United States; the missing agreement on AI; and Marcus contemplates his Thanksgiving menuPlease subscribe and leave a review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your podcast player of choicePlease send us your questions! Send us an email or leave us a voicemailFurther Reading/Watching:Michael Crowley and Edward Wong. 2023. “State Department employees send Blinken ‘dissent' cables over Gaza policy.” New York Times.Michael Lee. 2023. “Biden hands China big win with military deal, experts say: 'Incredibly poor decision.'” Fox News.Babish Culinary Universe. 2023. “Thanksgiving Recipe Marathon.” YouTube. J. Kenji Lopez-Alt. 2023. “The Answers to All Your Thanksgiving Questions.” YouTube.J. Kenji Lopez-Alt. Updated 2022. “The Best Crispy Roast Potatoes Ever Recipe.” Serious Eats.See all Cheap Talk episodes

    Pandamonium

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 11, 2023 52:53


    Panda diplomacy; conservation versus paranoia; the correlates of the panda presence abroad; China's intentions with regard to large bears; the effectiveness of the panda signal; the causal mechanisms behind panda diplomacy; soft (and cuddly) power; distinguishing public diplomacy from propaganda; cute animals as grand strategy; and Marcus is not a zoologistPlease subscribe and leave a review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your podcast player of choiceContribute to a future episode by sending us an email or leaving a voicemailFurther Reading:Edward Wong. 2023. “The End of Panda Diplomacy?” New York Times.Falk Hartig. 2013. “Panda Diplomacy: The Cutest Part of China's Public Diplomacy.” Hague Journal of Diplomacy 8(1): 49–78. See all Cheap Talk episodes

    Maybe This Is Something We Should Look Into

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 3, 2023 47:27


    Who is Hamas; US ideas about who governs Gaza; Israel signaling to adversaries; the US signaling to allies; Saudi Arabia may still be seeking normalization with Israel; China's presence at an AI meeting; and Marcus wants to turn the tablesPlease subscribe and leave a review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your podcast player of choiceContribute to a future episode by sending us an email or leaving a voicemailFurther Reading:The Bletchley Declaration by Countries Attending the AI Safety Summit, 1-2 November 2023See all Cheap Talk episodes

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