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You were never too sensitive. You were always too wonderful to be suppressed. Christians have been told to be grateful, to give up understanding and... always be "closing" on converting others. American Christianity has a book making the rounds claiming that empathy is dangerous—a kind of emotional weakness that leads people astray. That it's “soft on sin.” Join Paul and Ashley Swearengin for the

Are Evangelical Prophets following the lead of Elon Musk and mining data for profiting from propheting? Tara Jean Stevens of the Heaven Bent Podcast dives into the story that "prophets" are getting their information about conference goers from Social Media, not from heaven. Some of these prophets are people Paul and Ashley knew pretty well in their evangelical days. Don't miss this fascinating conversation.

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@UnconventionalPastorPaul talks of how ethical decisions must be made ahead of difficult situations that require a higher level of morality. The lack of such ethical foundations, Pastor Paul argues, are why the Republican Christian view of Immigrants, today, parallels the view of Jonah and people not of his race and religion; and why the god of Jonah's story asked him "How's that feeling of disdain for others working out for ya?"

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Why do people join a sectarian church community? Or MAGA? Or a mindset group like conspiracy theory followers? It's to gain identity from inclusion in that group. Too often, that group turns inward to become an "us" and soon starts looking to demonize "them" - those who are not us. And once demonization and dehumanization starts of "them," out come the torches and pitchforks and everyone better LOOK OUT! Getting out of the mob is messy and scary and, according to Pastor Paul... totally worth it. Come listen to the Unconventional Conversation.

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It shocks western Christians sometimes to realize Jesus isn't American and didn't speak English. Neil Douglas-Klotz, PHD has written about Jesus through the language or Aramaic, which was Jesus' actual native tongue. The book is an approach to Jesus's recorded words and teachings to answer many questions clearly and consistently, even if unexpectedly, no matter which Gospel one has in their hands. Paul and Ashley discuss with Dr. Klotz why Aramaic's multiple meanings can provide revelation and even transformation through the way of the prophet of Nazareth. It shows how Jesus's deepest teachings address contemporary challenges, such as our relationships with nature and each other, as well as the purpose of life itself.

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Kerri Donnis served as the fire chief of the City of Fresno (CA) fire department for over nine years, the first bio female to serve in the position, and worked in the fire service for almost three decades. She will share her perspective on the horrifying tragedy in LA and help us cut through the political fiction that is truly endangering the lives of people and is creating a division in a time when our country's leadership ought to be bringing us together. Let's get some facts, not more Fox News on the subject as Retired Chief Donnis joins Paul and Ashley on Evangelicalish.

It was a year that put Trump back on the cover of Time Magazine and headed back to the White House, but a lot of other things happened, as well. Was it a good year? Or a tragic one? And can the Bible or history tell us what the answer may be? Let's discuss in this episode of the Evangelicalish Podcast with Paul and Ashley Swearengin

Why are dozens of states banning trans athletes when there are at most 10 trans women participation in college athletics out of some 510,000 athletes? Because, as so many times in history, political and religious leaders want the demonization of a people group the gather to themselves political power. Pastor Paul shares why the issue of trans women in sports is NOT an issue at all, but rather is simply a manipulation tool of the extreme right, generating hatred amongst people and deep fear in the trans community. We can do better. Listen in and be ready to think, to be introspective and to grow. #Evangelicalish #ReligiousRightReligiouslyWrong #postevangelical #UnconventionalPastor #GodIsNOTmadAtYou #MindRenewal #Rethink @UnconventionalPastorPaul #WellBeing #Deconstruction #reconstruction

What does Paul regret most in his ten years as a Sr Pastor in an evangelical Church? What would Ashley tell her 21 year old self, getting ready to be married? Paul and Ashley dig into their past and learn about their present spirituality through difficult questions about the evangelical life they've known throughout their existence. Come on a memory lane trip that's insightful into this world of the evangelical... ISH. And what it's like to be freed of the shackles of the world inside a church building! #evangelicalish #religiousrightreligiouslywrong #unconventionalpastorpaul

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The holidays have always been difficult for many. Are they even more difficult in this post-COVID, crazy political world? Naomi Wiens is an LMFT who works with adolescents, adults, and couples with a relational and dynamic approach. As a professional working with religious trauma and spiritual reclamation, embodiment, identity formation, dream & shadow work, grief/loss, cultural and generational trauma, and working with artists and creativity, can she help us conquer the holiday blues? Join Paul and Ashley for this fascinating and important discussion. #Evangelicalish #ReligiousRightReligiouslyWrong #postevangelical #UnconventionalPastor #GodIsNOTmadAtYou #MindRenewal #Rethink @UnconventionalPastorPaul #WellBeing #Deconstruction #reconstruction

Joe Weston is an international facilitator, author, lecturer, consultant, coach, professor, and-above all else-an advocate for lasting peace. He speaks to a revival of the "global heart." How do we revive the global heart when so many are broken hearted after America's election day this past week. Paul and Ashley discuss this with Weston who has a career spanning 30+ years in the fields of conflict prevention, leadership, stress management, and communication. He is a highly sought-after thought leader and trainer for individuals, as well as corporations, government agencies and nonprofits around the world. The Weston Network: https://joeweston.com/weston-network/ Respectful Confrontation: https://www.amazon.com/Mastering-Resp... Fierce Civility Project: https://fiercecivility.org/ #Evangelicalish #ReligiousRightReligiouslyWrong #postevangelical #UnconventionalPastor #GodIsNOTmadAtYou #MindRenewal #Rethink @UnconventionalPastorPaul #WellBeing #Deconstruction #reconstruction 

James Fallows once served as chief White House speechwriter for Jimmy Carter and now writes 'Breaking the News' on Substack and has a new article about California's promising future in WIRED magazine. Fallows is a longtime book and magazine writer, whose most recent of 12 books, "Our Towns," co-authored with his wife Deborah Fallows, was a national best-seller and the basis of a 2021 HBO documentary. His perspective, the day after the 2024 election will be riveting conversation with Ashley and Paul and will be cathartic for us all! Nonpaywalled version of Jim's Wired piece: https://www.wired.com/story/californi... Today's Substack (non paywalled) https://fallows.substack.com/p/electi... Nick Lemann in the New Yorker https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/20... #Evangelicalish #ReligiousRightReligiouslyWrong #postevangelical #UnconventionalPastor #GodIsNOTmadAtYou #MindRenewal #Rethink @UnconventionalPastorPaul #WellBeing #Deconstruction #reconstruction

Joe Weston is an international facilitator, author, lecturer, consultant, coach, professor, and-above all else-an advocate for lasting peace. He speaks to a revival of the "global heart." How do we revive the global heart when so many are broken hearted after America's election day this past week. Paul and Ashley discuss this with Weston who has a career spanning 30+ years in the fields of conflict prevention, leadership, stress management, and communication. He is a highly sought-after thought leader and trainer for individuals, as well as corporations, government agencies and nonprofits around the world. The Weston Network Respectful Confrontation Fierce Civility Project #Evangelicalish #ReligiousRightReligiouslyWrong #postevangelical #UnconventionalPastor #GodIsNOTmadAtYou #MindRenewal #Rethink @UnconventionalPastorPaul #WellBeing #Deconstruction #reconstruction

James Fallows once served as chief White House speechwriter for Jimmy Carter and now writes 'Breaking the News' on Substack and has a new article about California's promising future in WIRED magazine. Fallows is a longtime book and magazine writer, whose most recent of 12 books, "Our Towns," co-authored with his wife Deborah Fallows, was a national best-seller and the basis of a 2021 HBO documentary. His perspective, the day after the 2024 election will be riveting conversation with Ashley and Paul and will be cathartic for us all! - Nonpaywalled version of Jim's Wired piece: https://www.wired.com/story/california-will-keep-moving-the-world-forward/?utm_source=rfaf - Today's Substack (non paywalled) https://fallows.substack.com/p/election-countdown-the-day-after - Nick Lemann in the New Yorker https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2024/11/04/bidenomics-is-starting-to-transform-america-why-has-no-one-noticed #Evangelicalish #ReligiousRightReligiouslyWrong #postevangelical #UnconventionalPastor #GodIsNOTmadAtYou #MindRenewal #Rethink @UnconventionalPastorPaul #WellBeing #Deconstruction #reconstruction

Liz Erickson has been on the front lines for some time, working to ensure the rights and values of women have representation in all levels of government and societal power. As Senior Director of Strategic Programs at Supermajority, how does she feel as, at times, it seems we are sliding back to Make America Male Dominated Again? Join Ashley and Paul for this important and fascinating discussion. #Evangelicalish #ReligiousRightReligiouslyWrong #postevangelical #UnconventionalPastor #GodIsNOTmadAtYou #MindRenewal #Rethink @UnconventionalPastorPaul #WellBeing #Deconstruction #reconstruction

Joaquin Alvarado has been at the forefront of the changing world journalism in the U.S. for more than two decades and has his finger on the pulse of the country as much as anyone. Where are we as we head into this election? Will we recover or are we forever changed. Join Paul and Ashley for this compelling discussion. #Evangelicalish #ReligiousRightReligiouslyWrong #postevangelical #UnconventionalPastor #GodIsNOTmadAtYou #MindRenewal #Rethink @UnconventionalPastorPaul #WellBeing #Deconstruction #reconstruction

Election 2024: Keeping Our Heads as All Others Lose Theirs; Joaquin Alvarado Joaquin Alvarado has been at the forefront of the changing world journalism in the U.S. for more than two decades and has his finger on the pulse of the country as much as anyone. Where are we as we head into this election? Will we recover or are we forever changed. Join Paul and Ashley for this compelling discussion. #Evangelicalish #ReligiousRightReligiouslyWrong #postevangelical #UnconventionalPastor #GodIsNOTmadAtYou #MindRenewal #Rethink @UnconventionalPastorPaul #WellBeing #Deconstruction #reconstruction

See why rightwingers have truly lost their way as we see people talk about their anger at being called racist, a woman's disappointment that Haitians have ruined her chance to be an angry cat lady and why a church music leader sees beings in heaven getting castrated! You can also watch on YouTube, Here

On this edition of Evangelicalish, Paul and Ashley talk about handling anxiety around the upcoming election and then pull a previously unaired interview with Matthew Distefano of the Holy Heretics Podcast on his second most recent book discussion how learning of the life of charming hobbits and their Shire-based lives - though not a religious society, the author argues that spiritual truths-love, kindness, generosity, hope, and compassion - can teach us a lot about humanity and how to live a joyful, heretical life. Come join Paul and Ashley for this episode. The Wisdom of Hobbits book Heresy After Hours Facebook Group

April Ajoy wouldn't have called herself a Christian Nationalist when she performed her original song “America Say Jesus” on the Jim Bakker show, or when she participated in Jesus Marches across America, or when she posted cringe-worthy videos on YouTube to campaign for Mitt Romney. April just considered herself a good Christian: faithful, Republican, and determined to make America a Christian nation once again. But as her view of the world widened, Ajoy began to see cracks in her steadfast beliefs and recognized the ways her conservative politics and religion were intertwined in her mind. Join Paul and Ashley as they talk with April Ajoy, content creator and podcast host, exploring how aspects of evangelical culture such as product boycotts, Satanic panic, and end-times theology have all been exploited to advance the Christian Nationalist narrative. April's Book - Star Spangled Jesus Find Paul & Ashley and Evangelicalish

Doug Pagitt says it's important to helping faith voters to detach from a republican voting identity if they wish to. Pagitt, a former Evangelical Pastor from the emergent church movement, feels his organization, Vote Common Good, was able to help shift 5 to 10 percent of Evangelicals away from Republicans. Can they do it again or more in 2024 from supporting a party that Doug says is about “policies of division, racism, selfishness, cruelty, and exclusion”? Join the discussion on this week's episode. #Evangelicalish #ReligiousRightReligiouslyWrong #postevangelical #UnconventionalPastor #GodIsNOTmadAtYou #MindRenewal #Rethink @UnconventionalPastorPaul #WellBeing #Deconstruction #reconstruction

Join Paul and Ashley for this week's discussion about the political swing in evangelicalism from politics as “dirty and worldly” to today's view of “godly duty” from declarations of whom to vote for from the pulpit and singing patriotic songs in worship services. But can "Seek the welfare of your city" (Jeremiah 23:7) change our view of what it means for a Christian to be civically engaged? #Evangelicalish #ReligiousRightReligiouslyWrong #postevangelical #UnconventionalPastor #GodIsNOTmadAtYou #MindRenewal #Rethink @UnconventionalPastorPaul #WellBeing #Deconstruction #reconstruction

When a person wants to stay in the comfort of status quo, they can give up the change for something new to come into their lives. In this special Evangelicalish released edition of Unconventional Conversations w/ Pastor Paul we see how wisdom from the ancient Torah and New Testament demonstrate we can find amazing new opportunities when we embrace the mourning of endings of seasons, relationships, belief systems and all kinds of things before they have to be pried from our cold dead hands.

What do Lizard People OverLords have to do with Tim Walz, VP Candidate? Well one rightwing preacher wants you to know, and Pastor Paul has the skinny in this special Evangelicalish offering of Pastor Paul's Rightwinger's Gone Wild - this week's look at those who no longer have eyes to see and ears to hear

Christianity has not always been about politics and anti-abortion and anti-gay extremism. This was a long planned grooming of Christians to get to this point. Now here we are - what do we do about it? Join Paul and Ashley to discuss live how a political operative name Paul Weyrich has done more to shape American Christianity than any pastor ever dreamed. Sign up to potentially win a free copy of Pastor Paul's Novel and/or to be a Birthday Book Ambassador Sign up for the Evangelicalish Zoom Gathering on Christian Nationalism and receive you Zoom Link

Expelled for Affirming Love; But Not Guiilty: Thomas Jay Oord Join Paul and Ashley as they find out why Pastor, theologian and author Thomas J. Oord was will to withstand an official heresy trial by the Church of the Nazarene. The charge: teaching against church doctrine and misconduct for calling the church to become LGBTQ+ inclusive. And why the guilty verdict that accused Oord of leading serious offenses of which the denomination said "...Only eternity will show how many souls have been led astray through his false teaching" shook his life, took his ordination, but didn't change his mind. Find Dr Oord here: Website: https://thomasjayoord.com/ Center for Open and Relational Theology: https://c4ort.com/ Dr. Oord's books on Amazon, Including "God After Deconstruction:" https://www.amazon.com/stores/Thomas-Jay-Oord/author/B001H6OGWE?ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_2&qid=1726177418&sr=8-2&isDramIntegrated=true&shoppingPortalEnabled=true

Things We Believed That Are Hard to Shake: Paul and Ashley Even in the midst of or after deconstruction of our beliefs, there are some things that are difficult to get out of our minds and emotional systems. What are some old Christian beliefs that still haunt you? Listen in as Paul and Ashley share some of the most difficult beliefs for them to shake!

Expelled for Affirming Love; But Not Guiilty: Thomas Jay Oord Join Paul and Ashley as they find out why Pastor, theologian and author Thomas J. Oord was will to withstand an official heresy trial by the Church of the Nazarene. The charge: teaching against church doctrine and misconduct for calling the church to become LGBTQ+ inclusive. And why the guilty verdict that accused Oord of leading serious offenses of which the denomination said "...Only eternity will show how many souls have been led astray through his false teaching" shook his life, took his ordination, but didn't change his mind. Find Dr Oord here: Website: https://thomasjayoord.com/ Center for Open and Relational Theology: https://c4ort.com/ Dr. Oord's books on Amazon, Including "God After Deconstruction:" https://www.amazon.com/stores/Thomas-Jay-Oord/author/B001H6OGWE?ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_2&qid=1726177418&sr=8-2&isDramIntegrated=true&shoppingPortalEnabled=true

trauma can resurface due to familiar places, relationships and even references to faith in our past. As Paul's 1946 the Movie Road Tour takes him across the country, he stopped in the town of Springfield, MO, which holds many painful memories and he and Ashley discuss dealing with trauma and the work to reclaim lost spaces

Four talented women, out of boredom, perhaps, started sharing their feelings on a changing world through their gifts for comedy, music and theater. Hear their story as the Libtarts share their world with Paul and Ashley and why sometimes humor is the very best way to share truth and love. Watch some of their videos here: Illegal In Texas - https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP81NSPP5/ Alabama Moms - https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP81NYucK/ If Abortion Laws Applied to Men - https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP81NADXp/

Paul and Ashley discuss how opening one's mind to learn other views of the evangelical theology on queerness can not only be freeing for the person, but life-saving to those around them. Paul is in Houston on the 1946 the Movie Road Tour sharing about the dangers of Christian Nationalism, its roots in weaponized abortion theology and the mistranslation of the “gay clobber passages” in the Bible. This podcast was recorded on Aug. 7, 2024. #1946roadtrip ​⁠ Evangelicalish.com ​⁠ Pastor-paul.com

In part 2 of their series on how they were in the middle of evangelicalism as Christian Nationalism had its rise around them, Paul and Ashley share about meeting Sarah Palin just after the 2008 election and about friends who tried to recruit them to be devotees to QAnon conspiracy theories. It's a wild tale of a wild shift in relgious people. And Paul and Ashley saw it all happening - up close and personal! #Evangelicalish #ReligiousRightReligiouslyWrong #postevangelical #UnconventionalPastor #GodIsNOTmadAtYou #MindRenewal #Rethink @UnconventionalPastorPaul #WellBeing #Deconstruction #reconstruction

Ashley was running for mayor of the city of Fresno, CA. Paul was leading a group that was starting a new evangelical church. Why did they feel like such a bad fit in an evangelical religion growing evermore extreme and evermore political? Listen as Paul and Ashley share of the journey, including sitting at a table at the National Prayer Breakfast with Ted Cruz AND Nancy Pelosi and being invited to a supremely cringey meeting with Doug Coe, leader of the infamous "Family," a secretive Christian group operating in Washington D.C.

Paul and Ashley share moments on their journey of freedom from religion and how they are looking forward emotionally and spiritually. Also discuss how to keep one's head as dark moments such as SCOTUS ruling this week and discuss a new fave YouTube show @antibot

Paul and Ashley Swearengin shared their live reactions immediately after the June 27 debate between President Joe Biden and former President Donald Trump. It was a painful moment. Come process with us!

In this episode, Jeremy returns with Paul for April's last episode as co-host of Evangelicalish. The 3 talk about the upcoming election, react to a few Evangelicringe videos and discuss plans for the future. Jeremy and April share their new endeavors and Paul talks about their plans for the future of Evangelicalish. Paul and Ashley (Paul's wife) will return with Evangelicalish next week. Follow Jeremy @pastorfromok Follow April @aprilajoy and pre-order her book Star-Spangled Jesus. Follow Paul @unconventionalpastorpaul and follow @evangelicalish everywhere.

Singer, Songwriter, Musician Candi Carpenter (@candicarpenter on social media platforms) joins April and Paul to discuss their new album Demonology, with the great song "Everybody Goes to Hell," and how they got to where they are after deconstructing their Christian upbringing. Follow Candi and check out her music: www.candicarpenter.com

Dr. Dan McClellan is back! He joins Paul and April to talk about what the Bible actually says when it comes to all of the "clobber" passages certain Christians like to use against LGBTQ people. Dan McClellan is a public scholar of the Bible and religion. He received his PhD in theology and religion from the University of Exeter. In 2022 he published YHWH's Divine Images: A Cognitive Approach as an open-access book. He worked for a decade as a scripture translation supervisor for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and in 2023 transitioned to full-time public scholarship. He goes by @maklelan across several social media platforms, as well as on the Data Over Dogma Podcast, where he seeks to increase public access to the academic study of the Bible and religion and combat the spread of misinformation about the same.

This week, April and Paul have a conversation with Sarah McCammon, the author of The Exvangelicals: Loving, Living, and Leaving the White Evangelical Church, a 2024 book that is part memoir and part journalism, about the movement of people who grew up inside the powerful evangelical subculture and ultimately left it behind. Sarah McCammon is a National Political Correspondent for NPR and co-host of the NPR Politics Podcast. Her work focuses on political, social and cultural divides in America, including abortion policy and the intersections of politics and religion. She's also a frequent guest host for NPR news programs.

Tara Jean Stevens joins April and Paul to talk about recent church controversies, such as IHOPKC, and the manipulation that is easily found in these environments. Her chart-topping podcast, Heaven Bent, a spotlights Pentecostal and Charismatic movements and helps victims and survivors find healing through telling their stories. Tara Jean has also been a fan-favorite on Vancouver radio & TV, for nearly 25 years. Today, you can hear her Smooth Jazz morning show, weekdays, on WAVE 98.3 - Vancouver's Coolest Vibe. Listen to Heaven Bent Podcast Follow Heaven Bent on social media

Cynane Shay of Taking off the Tinfoil Hat joins April and Paul for a chat about conspiracy theories within evangelicalism. Cynane is a nuclear engineer living in South Carolina. Her childhood in White Christian Nationalism (Florida-style) normalized conspiracy theories like Obama Birtherism and the Biblical apocalypse; but 2020, with COVID and Qanon, finally made her realize something was deeply wrong. Now Cynane is writing a book, “Taking Off the Tinfoil Hat: How Lizard People and Space Lasers Dismantled my Christian Worldview,” to process the deconstruction of her fundamentalist evangelicalism and her propagandistic patriotism. Losing loved ones to the pandemic was a tragedy, but losing loved ones to the rabbit hole was its own tragedy and Cynane needed to understand the “why.” So from Flat Earth to the IBLP cult to Jewish space lasers, she pulled the thread, cracked her faith, and found the inseparable link between cults, conspiracy theories, and American White Christian Nationalism. TakingOffTheTinfoilHat.com

April and Paul talk with historian Daniel Hummel on the history of Christian Zionism: what it is, how it started, who espouses it and the harm it causes today. Daniel G. Hummel is the Director of The Lumen Center in Madison, WI and a research fellow in the History Department at the University of Wisconsin-Madison. He received his PhD in American history from the University of Wisconsin-Madison and has been a research fellow at the Institute for Research in the Humanities and the Harvard Kennedy School at Harvard University. He is the author of two books: Covenant Brothers: Evangelicals, Jews, and U.S.-Israel Relations and The Rise and Fall of Dispensationalism: How the Evangelical Battle Over the End Times Shaped a Nation. Keep up with Daniel's work: www.danielghummel.com Get his latest book titled The Rise and Fall of Dispensationalism: How the Evangelical Battle Over the End Times Shaped a Nation.

Author and award-winning columnist Jonathan Merritt joins Paul and April to discuss his journey from being publicly outed to being proudly out and his new children's book My Guncle and Me. He also talks about his own faith, his relationship with his pastor parents and his inspiration to write My Guncle and Me. Buy the book: www.myguncleandme.com Connect with Jonathan's work. www.jonathanmerritt.com Follow Jonathan: @JonathanMerritt Stay connected or support us by visiting our website: evangelicalish.com Follow the Evangelicalish team on Tiktok, IG, FB & X: @evangelicalish, @aprilajoy @unconventionalpastorpaul,

Jason Kirk joins Paul and April for a fun conversation about growing up evangelical. Jason is the author of the funny ex-vangelical novel Hell Is A World Without You and co-host of Vacation Bible School — a podcast with his wife, Emily. We also react to clips of Pastor Mark Driscoll and the drama he caused at the Stronger Men's Conference this past weekend. Get Jason Kirk's novel: https://www.jasonkirk.fyi/p/novel Follow Jason: @JasonKirk_fyi Stay connected or support us by visiting our website: evangelicalish.com Follow the Evangelicalish team on Tiktok, IG, FB & X: @evangelicalish, @aprilajoy @unconventionalpastorpaul,

Dr. Dana Hicks, author of The Knot, joins April and Paul for a discussion about new ways to think about marriage. Dana has researched marriage and divorce, and lived through both himself, even when he was a pastor. His conclusion? There's got to be a better way than what some call "biblical" marriage. Get connected with Dana's work: danahicks.blog Get his book: The Knot: How to Secure Healthy, Modern Relationships While Not Being Tied to Marriage's Past Stay connected or support us by visiting our website: evangelicalish.com Follow the Evangelicalish team on Tiktok, IG, FB & X: @evangelicalish, @aprilajoy @unconventionalpastorpaul,