Podcast appearances and mentions of Thomas Jay Oord

Nerd out with theologians Andrew M. Davis (andrewmdavis.info) and Thomas Jay Oord (thomasjayoord.com) as Pastor Pete asks questions about God, The Force, The Dark Side, and more.

The central theme of this podcast episode revolves around the intricate relationship between love and control, as exemplified by the character of Zebediah Killgrave, known as Mr. Purple, from the "Alias" comics and the "Jessica Jones" television series. We delve into the complexities of Killgrave's character, whose powers allow him to control others, ultimately leading to a profound exploration of the nature of love as non-coercive and genuine. Our discussion is enriched by insights from our guest, Nick Polk, who previously contributed to the discourse surrounding the ideas of omnipotence and amipotence, as articulated by Dr. Thomas Jay Oord. We reflect on how these concepts manifest in contemporary narratives, particularly in the context of superhero stories, and consider the implications of power dynamics within relationships. By examining Killgrave's quest for love against the backdrop of his controlling nature, we unravel broader questions regarding the ethical dimensions of authority and the essence of true connection.An exploration of the complex relationship between love and control is at the forefront of this podcast discussion, as hosts Joshua Noel and Pastor Will Rose are joined by former host Nick Polk. The conversation is inspired by Nick's contribution to the essay collection "Amipotence: Support & Criticism, Expansion & Application," which engages with Dr. Thomas Jay Oord's provocative rethinking of divine omnipotence in light of God's loving nature. The hosts delve into the character of Kilgrave, also known as Mr. Purple from the *Jessica Jones* comics and Netflix series, whose ability to control others raises profound questions about the nature of love and genuine connection. Through their analysis of Kilgrave's abusive manipulation and misguided search for love, they illuminate the problematic implications of power dynamics in relationships, both in fiction and in theological discourse. This episode serves as a critical lens through which listeners can reflect on the intersections of control, love, and the human experience, compelling them to consider the ethical ramifications of omnipotent authority.In this episode, the discourse revolves around the character of Kilgrave from the *Jessica Jones* series, a figure emblematic of the tension between power and love. Hosts Joshua Noel and Pastor Will Rose, alongside guest Nick Polk, investigate the implications of Kilgrave's mind control abilities in relation to Dr. Thomas Jay Oord's concept of amipotence, which proposes that a truly loving God cannot exert coercive power over others. The hosts reflect on the nuances of love as depicted in pop culture, particularly through Kilgrave's tragic inability to form authentic relationships. This discussion not only unpacks the psychological repercussions of Kilgrave's actions within the narrative but also draws parallels to real-world power dynamics, including those present in religious and societal structures. The episode ultimately challenges listeners to reevaluate their understanding of love, agency, and the intersection of divine power and human autonomy, fostering a deeper contemplation of these intricate themes.The podcast episode masterfully intertwines the realms of comic book storytelling and theological inquiry, centering on the character of Kilgrave from *Jessica Jones* as a focal point for discussing the nature of love and control. Hosted by Joshua Noel and Pastor Will Rose, with insights from Nick Polk, the conversation critically examines the ethical considerations surrounding power dynamics, both in fictional narratives and in theological contexts. Drawing from Nick's contributions to the essay collection on amipotence, the hosts explore how Kilgrave's manipulative tendencies reflect broader societal issues related to authority and love. The episode poses profound questions about whether genuine love can coexist with control, urging listeners to reflect on their own...

The central theme of this podcast episode revolves around the intricate relationship between love and control, as exemplified by the character of Zebediah Killgrave, known as Mr. Purple, from the "Alias" comics and the "Jessica Jones" television series. We delve into the complexities of Killgrave's character, whose powers allow him to control others, ultimately leading to a profound exploration of the nature of love as non-coercive and genuine. Our discussion is enriched by insights from our guest, Nick Polk, who previously contributed to the discourse surrounding the ideas of omnipotence and amipotence, as articulated by Dr. Thomas Jay Oord. We reflect on how these concepts manifest in contemporary narratives, particularly in the context of superhero stories, and consider the implications of power dynamics within relationships. By examining Killgrave's quest for love against the backdrop of his controlling nature, we unravel broader questions regarding the ethical dimensions of authority and the essence of true connection.An exploration of the complex relationship between love and control is at the forefront of this podcast discussion, as hosts Joshua Noel and Pastor Will Rose are joined by former host Nick Polk. The conversation is inspired by Nick's contribution to the essay collection "Amipotence: Support & Criticism, Expansion & Application," which engages with Dr. Thomas Jay Oord's provocative rethinking of divine omnipotence in light of God's loving nature. The hosts delve into the character of Kilgrave, also known as Mr. Purple from the *Jessica Jones* comics and Netflix series, whose ability to control others raises profound questions about the nature of love and genuine connection. Through their analysis of Kilgrave's abusive manipulation and misguided search for love, they illuminate the problematic implications of power dynamics in relationships, both in fiction and in theological discourse. This episode serves as a critical lens through which listeners can reflect on the intersections of control, love, and the human experience, compelling them to consider the ethical ramifications of omnipotent authority.In this episode, the discourse revolves around the character of Kilgrave from the *Jessica Jones* series, a figure emblematic of the tension between power and love. Hosts Joshua Noel and Pastor Will Rose, alongside guest Nick Polk, investigate the implications of Kilgrave's mind control abilities in relation to Dr. Thomas Jay Oord's concept of amipotence, which proposes that a truly loving God cannot exert coercive power over others. The hosts reflect on the nuances of love as depicted in pop culture, particularly through Kilgrave's tragic inability to form authentic relationships. This discussion not only unpacks the psychological repercussions of Kilgrave's actions within the narrative but also draws parallels to real-world power dynamics, including those present in religious and societal structures. The episode ultimately challenges listeners to reevaluate their understanding of love, agency, and the intersection of divine power and human autonomy, fostering a deeper contemplation of these intricate themes.The podcast episode masterfully intertwines the realms of comic book storytelling and theological inquiry, centering on the character of Kilgrave from *Jessica Jones* as a focal point for discussing the nature of love and control. Hosted by Joshua Noel and Pastor Will Rose, with insights from Nick Polk, the conversation critically examines the ethical considerations surrounding power dynamics, both in fictional narratives and in theological contexts. Drawing from Nick's contributions to the essay collection on amipotence, the hosts explore how Kilgrave's manipulative tendencies reflect broader societal issues related to authority and love. The episode poses profound questions about whether genuine love can coexist with control, urging listeners to reflect on their own...

Text us your questions!Tom Oord is back! This time, we're discussing his "main thing": open and relational theology. We explore what it means and its significance in reshaping our understanding of God, love, prayer, and more. Tom answers our questions graciously, and we try to convince Randy that he's wrong.How is open and relational theology different from classical theism? What does it imply about prayer or freedom or evil and suffering? What does love have to do with it? Is it all just a bit too easy?As always, Tom is a great sport and a hoot to talk to. We hope you find this conversation valuable.=====Want to support us?The best way is to subscribe to our Patreon. Annual memberships are available for a 10% discount.If you'd rather make a one-time donation, you can contribute through our PayPal. Other important info: Rate & review us on Apple & Spotify Follow us on social media at @PPWBPodcast Watch & comment on YouTube Email us at pastorandphilosopher@gmail.com Cheers!

Open relationele theologie. Een eerste verkenning In deze eerste podcast van een nieuwe serie gaat het over twee boeken van de theoloog Thomas Jay Oord.In zijn boek ‘Open relational theology' geeft hij eeninleiding op wat hij hiermee bedoelt. In zijn boek ‘God can't' vind je hiervan een praktische consequentie.In het kort. Wat nou als God niet almachtig is in de zin datHij alles kan bepalen. Wat nou als Hij almachtig is in de zin van dat Hij altijd vasthoudt aan Zijn liefde. Dus almachtig in Zijn Liefde. En wat nou als agapeliefde/Goddelijke Liefde niet kan dwingen. Dwang is een paradox als het gaat om liefde.Wat nou als God de God van de mogelijkheden is. Zoals Jezuszegt: ‘Alle dingen zijn mogelijk voor God'. Maar mogelijkheden staan niet vast, het zijn mogelijkheden...Wat nou als de toekomst niet ‘bepaald' is, zelfs nietdoor God, maar vol is van mogelijkheden. Wat nou als God echt niet kan ingrijpen bij nare/dramatische gebeurtenissen?Dit zijn zomaar wat gedachten die een rol spelen bij debeweging van open relationele theologie.In dit inleidende gesprek schuurt het aan alle kanten.Luister vooral zelf wat je ervan vindt!De komende afleveringen meer over beide boeken....

This episode gives you a taste of what happens on the Theology Nerd stage at Theology Beer Camp. These super-nerdy breakout sessions are based on suggestions from the Homebrewed Community, and this session was designed to explore the connections and contrasts between Ground of Being theology and Process theology. I was joined by Benjamin Chicka, John Thatamanil, Thomas Jay Oord, and Taylor Thomas. If you want to get info, updates, and access to pre-sale tickets for Theology Beer Camp 2025, you can sign up here. Dr. Taylor Thomas is a philosophy instructor at Boston College, a postdoctoral fellow at the Center for Mind and Culture, & host of the Tillich Today podcast. Dr. Thatamanil is Professor of Theology & World Religions at Union Theological Seminary in NYC. Previous Episodes with John Tillich and the Advent of New Being Deconstructing Divinity & Embracing Diversity God – the Ground, the Between, the Personal What we do when we do theology A Comparative Theology of Religious Diversity Theology Without Walls Non-duality, Polydoxy, and Christian Identity Dr. Thomas Jay Oord is a theologian, philosopher, and scholar of multi-disciplinary studies. He is an award-winning author, and he has written or edited more than twenty-five books. Oord directs a doctoral program at Northwind Theological Seminary and the Center for Open and Relational Theology. Previous episodes with Tom Big God Questions Christ, Christmas, & the Incarnation the Death of Omnipotence! Brian McLaren & Thomas Jay Oord: a God Worthy of Love Process This! Process Theology QnA Authority, Atonement, Abortion, and a Big Hug from Pluriform Love to Divine Revelation Big God Twitter Takes Trump is (NOT) a Process Theologian & Other Questions Thomas Jay Oord wants you to know “God Can't” Open and Relational Theology Throwdown Open and Relational Q&A with Thomas Jay Oord Why Go Wesleyan? Dr. Benjamin J. Chicka is Lecturer in Philosophy and Religious Studies at Curry College in Milton, MA. You can hear him on the podcast - Theology & Video Games. This episode is sponsored by the Upper Room's Disciplines: A Book of Daily Devotions As this new year unfolds with all its challenges and opportunities, are you longing for daily spiritual renewal with God? A daily practice to ground yourselves in God's presence and nurture a resilient spirit for the work ahead? Each year, The Upper Room publishes its popular lectionary-based devotional called Disciplines: A Book of Daily Devotions. Written by 53 diverse thought-leaders, The Upper Room Disciplines provides daily scripture, meditations, and prayers following the Revised Common Lectionary to help you pause and connect more deeply with God. Disciplines also includes a Guide to Daily Prayer and a Small Group Leader's Guide. Experience the spiritual renewal you've been looking for this year with The Upper Room Disciplines … and join thousands of others “praying the lectionary” and meeting God anew each day. Use promo code HBCD25 to get 20% off this popular resource now. Visit store.upperroom.org/disciplines to take advantage of this offer! _____________________ Join my Substack - Process This! Join our class - TRUTH IN TOUGH TIMES: Global Voices of Liberation Spend a week with Tripp & Andrew Root in Bonhoeffer's House in Berlin this June as part of the Rise of Bonhoeffer Travel Learning Experience. INFO & DETAILS HERE Get access to over 45 of our online classes at TheologyClass.com Follow the podcast, drop a review, send feedback/questions or become a member of the HBC Community. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Jonty chats to author, philosopher and theologian Thomas Jay Oord. The conversation covers his recent excommunication from the Church of the Nazarene, queer affirming theology, and his book God Can't.Tom's website: https://thomasjayoord.com/Join our Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/373445507761084Become a Patreon member: https://www.patreon.com/FilthyHopeEmail us: filthyhopepod@gmail.comFollow us on Socials:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/filthyhopestudios/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/filthyhopepodTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@filthyhopestudios?_t=8lLmIm1duvC&_r=1X (Twitter): https://twitter.com/FilthyHopeListen to Into the WordSpotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/24pRK5xEVz6TOeihxnmC7g?si=26a641cd9c774b20Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/into-the-word/id1734437831YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JA1zq_mnGIs&t=413s&ab_channel=FilthyHopeStudios Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Episode 98: Thomas Jay Oord joins the pod for a great conversation on how we might start to think about God in the wake of deconstruction. We talk about his and Tripp Fuller's 2024 book "God After Deconstruction" and discuss the different intersecting factors that lead to deconstruction and how and why there might still be a place for God on the other side. For those still left with the God-question, with a wondering about ultimate reality, with a sense of something 'more', this conversation explores God and meaning without certainty or in/out binaries. We chat through why we might still believe in God, and perhaps more importantly, what kind of God this might be.  For more of Tom's work, you can head to www.thomasjayoord.com.  You can find the book 'God After Deconstruction' by Tom and Tripp here: https://www.amazon.com/dp/195867026X Contact: feedback@intheshift.com Support: www.patreon.com/intheshift 

We speak with theologian and philosopher Thomas Jay Oord about his church trial and his book Open and Relational Theology. Thomas, who was a minister for many years in the Church of the Nazarene, faced a trial for being inclusive on matters of LGBTQ+ and church participation and blessing. Thomas outlines a theological view that is about love more than it is about traditional concepts of power. This means that he calls for better understanding of what it means that God is all powerful or all knowing. The story of Thomas' trial and excommunication can sound almost medieval, but it reminds us that the struggle over proper belief is very much alive today. Individuals and churches are being excommunicated or disaffiliated. Some people are choosing themselves to part company with a church or denomination based on rigid belief or what they see as damaging theology. Thomas is a regular contributor to podcasts such as Tripp Fuller's Homebrewed Christianity and continues to write and to direct the Center for Open and Relational Theology.   Articles and Episodes Referenced: “Six Heretics Who Should Be Banned From Evangelicalism” – Relevant Magazine, September 13, 2022  “Church Fights: King vs. Liquorish” – Rector's Cupboard, Season 3    Tasting Notes: On today's episode we sampled the Iron Buddha Gin and the Black Tusk Smoked Vodka from Squamish's Raincity Distillery. 

Today, you'll hear the story of a theologian who was put on trial for herasy by his denomination for promoting queer affirming theology. Thomas Jay Oord, PhD, is a theologian, philosopher, and scholar of multidisciplinary studies. He is a best-selling and award-winning author, having written or edited 30+ books. Academic Influence ranks him among the most influential theologians of the 21st century. Oord directs a doctoral program at Northwind Theological Seminary and directs the Center for Open and Relational Theology. He is known for his research and writing on love, open and relational theology, science and religion, evil and power, and the implications of freedom and relationships for transformation.You can find Tom on social media @thomasjayoord. His website is thomasjayoord.com. My Defense is available on Amazon, as are all of Tom's books. Support the show

Expelled for Affirming Love; But Not Guiilty: Thomas Jay Oord Join Paul and Ashley as they find out why Pastor, theologian and author Thomas J. Oord was will to withstand an official heresy trial by the Church of the Nazarene. The charge: teaching against church doctrine and misconduct for calling the church to become LGBTQ+ inclusive. And why the guilty verdict that accused Oord of leading serious offenses of which the denomination said "...Only eternity will show how many souls have been led astray through his false teaching" shook his life, took his ordination, but didn't change his mind. Find Dr Oord here: Website: https://thomasjayoord.com/ Center for Open and Relational Theology: https://c4ort.com/ Dr. Oord's books on Amazon, Including "God After Deconstruction:" https://www.amazon.com/stores/Thomas-Jay-Oord/author/B001H6OGWE?ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_2&qid=1726177418&sr=8-2&isDramIntegrated=true&shoppingPortalEnabled=true

Expelled for Affirming Love; But Not Guiilty: Thomas Jay Oord Join Paul and Ashley as they find out why Pastor, theologian and author Thomas J. Oord was will to withstand an official heresy trial by the Church of the Nazarene. The charge: teaching against church doctrine and misconduct for calling the church to become LGBTQ+ inclusive. And why the guilty verdict that accused Oord of leading serious offenses of which the denomination said "...Only eternity will show how many souls have been led astray through his false teaching" shook his life, took his ordination, but didn't change his mind. Find Dr Oord here: Website: https://thomasjayoord.com/ Center for Open and Relational Theology: https://c4ort.com/ Dr. Oord's books on Amazon, Including "God After Deconstruction:" https://www.amazon.com/stores/Thomas-Jay-Oord/author/B001H6OGWE?ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_2&qid=1726177418&sr=8-2&isDramIntegrated=true&shoppingPortalEnabled=true

On July 25th, Tom Oord faced a heresy trial in the Church of the Nazarene for his practice and advocacy of full LGBTQ+ inclusion in the church's life. Listen in to hear an insightful episode as Tom Oord talks about his challenges with the Church of the Nazarene and his advocacy for LGBTQ+ inclusion. Oord shares his spiritual journey, professional sacrifices, and the personal impact of his stance on queer affirmation. WATCH the conversation on YouTube Some Previous Tripp & Tom Pods Faith without Certainty Big God Questions Christ, Christmas, & the Incarnation the Death of Omnipotence! Brian McLaren & Thomas Jay Oord: a God Worthy of Love Process This! Process Theology QnA Authority, Atonement, Abortion, and a Big Hug from Pluriform Love to Divine Revelation Big God Twitter Takes Trump is (NOT) a Process Theologian & Other Questions Thomas Jay Oord wants you to know “God Can't” Open and Relational Theology Throwdown Open and Relational Q&A with Thomas Jay Oord Why Go Wesleyan? _____________________ Join my Substack - Process This! Join our upcoming class - THE GOD OF THE BIBLE: An Absolutely Clear and Final Guide to Ultimate Mystery ;) Come to THEOLOGY BEER CAMP. Follow the podcast, drop a review, send feedback/questions or become a member of the HBC Community. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode Dr. Oord engages with a section of the new book, God After Deconstruction which focuses on how Open and Relational Theology prioritizes love in ways more coherent and attractive than traditional theologies.God After Deconstruction, co-authored by Thomas Jay Oord and Tripp Fuller, is available in print, e-book and audiobook formats.

Author Thomas Jay Oord was recently put on trial for affirming the LGBTQI+ community. In this special episode, Keith Giles interviews Thomas to hear the details of his heresy trial with the Church of the Nazarene.To follow Thomas Jay Oord's work, head on over to his official website.If you want to call in to the Bonus Show, leave a voicemail at (530) 332-8020. We would love to get to your calls!LINKSQuoirCast on PatreonQuoirCast on Patheos

Thomas Jay Oord, a theologian and author, talks with Word&Way President Brian Kaylor about being disciplined by the Church of the Nazarene, which resulted in him losing his preaching credentials and being expelled from membership. He also discusses the church trial process, his defense of affirming LGBTQ+ people, and open and relational theology. Learn more from his website or the Center for Open & Relational Theology. Note: Don't forget to subscribe to our award-winning e-newsletter A Public Witness that helps you make sense of faith, culture, and politics. And order a copy of Baptizing America: How Mainline Protestants Helped Build Christian Nationalism by Brian Kaylor and Beau Underwood. If you buy it directly from Chalice Press, they are offering 33% off the cover price when you use the promo code "BApodcast."

This week I was joined by not one, not two, but three guests to discuss their edited volume "Preaching the Uncontrolling Love of God". Nichole Torbitzky, Vikki Randall, & Jeff Wells join the show to get pragmatic and put Open & Relational Theology to work. What would it look like to apply Open & Relational thought to our Leadership, Preaching, and Pastoral care? Is it possible to find a church that is Open and Relational? This was a fun conversation getting three different perspectives on these kinds of questions. The volume they edited together, along with Thomas Jay Oord, has over 75 essays including sermons and worship elements from within an Open and Relational framework. It is a great resources for clergy and lay members alike. Enjoy! RESOSURCES: Preaching the Uncontrolling Love of God: Sermons, Essays, and Worship Elements from the Perspective of Open, Relational, and Process Theology (Book) THEOLOGY BEER CAMP: Get your tickets from Theology Beer Camp 2024 HERE. Use code RETHINKINGBAGGINS for $50 off your cost of admission. *A special thanks to Josh Gilbert for managing the podcast, Marty Fredrick for producing the podcast, and Dan Koch for providing the music for the podcast. Love you guys

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This week my friend, mentor, and overall awesome human being Dr. Thomas Jay Oord is back on the podcast. Tom has been handed charges by his denomination and faces trial for being fully LGBTQ+ affirming. We break down what the trial is, how its going to work, Tom's overall goals for the trial, and Tom's defense of the LGBTQ+ community. Enjoy! RESOURCES: My Defense: Responding to Charges that I Fully Affirm LGBTQ+ People (Book) Join the Patreon! THEOLOGY BEER CAMP: Get your tickets HERE! Use code RETHINKINGBAGGINS for $50 off! *Special thanks to Josh Gilbert for managing the show, Marty Fredrick for producing the show, and Dan Koch for providing music for the show. Love you guys

SummaryIn this conversation, Will Small, Thomas Jay Oord, and Becca De Souza discuss open and relational theology, the challenges of suffering, and the process of deconstruction and reconstruction in faith. They also touch on the topic of LGBTQ+ affirmation within religious institutions. Thomas shares his personal journey from a classical theist position to open and relational theology, emphasizing the importance of understanding God's power as love. The conversation explores the need for a faith that embraces doubt and uncertainty while still providing comfort and meaning. They also discuss the role of certainty in children's faith development and the importance of allowing space for questioning and exploration. They explore the idea that salvation is not just liberation from pain, but also survival and quality of life, requiring the cooperation of both God and humanity. They also delve into the role of prayer in an open and relational theology, emphasizing that prayer is communication with God and can bring about change through our actions. They touch on the concept of miracles and how they occur when God and creation work together for something good. The conversation concludes with a reflection on the value of open and relational theology in providing a picture of God that is true for all people, especially those who have been marginalized and oppressed.Keywords open and relational theology, suffering, deconstruction, reconstruction, LGBTQ+ affirmation, faith, doubt, certainty, children's faith development, God, suffering, open and relational theology, salvation, cooperation, prayer, miraclesTakeaways Open and relational theology views God as interactive and responsive, and recognizes the limits of God's power. It offers a framework that aligns with our experiences and intuitions about love and free will.Certainty is not the goal of faith. Embracing doubt and uncertainty can lead to a more mature and honest understanding of God and the world.Children's faith development involves different stages, and it is natural for young children to have a black-and-white view of God. As they grow, it is important to create a safe space for them to ask questions and explore their beliefs.Traditional theologies can be traumatizing and dismissive of our experiences. Open and relational theology provides a more inclusive and compassionate perspective that takes into account the diversity of human experiences.The process of deconstruction and reconstruction in faith can be challenging but also liberating. It involves reevaluating our beliefs and theological frameworks, and embracing a faith that is more aligned with our values and experiences. Salvation is not just liberation from pain, but also survival and quality of life, requiring the cooperation of both God and humanity.God is always acting and working in the world, and our response to God's activity is crucial for the desired outcome.Prayer is communication with God and can bring about change through our actions in the world.Miracles occur when God and creation work together for something good, and they are not interruptions of nature.Sign up to our mailing list:https://spiritualmisfits.com.au/Join our online Facebook community: https://www.facebook.com/groups/spiritualmisfitspodcastSupport the pod:https://spiritualmisfits.com.au/support-us/Send us an email: Spiritualmisfits@outlook.comView all episodes at: https://spiritualmisfits.buzzsprout.com

In this episode, Dr. Oord engages with a chapter in the book, God After Deconstruction which focuses on Christian Nationalism, a major reason many walk away from the church and/or faith.The theme of Christian Nationalism is one of many highlighted in the accessible book God After Deconstruction, co-written by Thomas Jay Oord and Tripp Fuller.

We talk with the editors of the volume “ Preaching the Uncontrolling Love of God: Sermons, Essays, and Worship Elements from the Perspective of Open, Relational, and Process Theology” about what process (or open and relational) theology is, how it answers many questions that modern believers struggle with, and how this rich collection of writings can help introduce people and churches to an innovative way of thinking about God and their own role in God's work. Featuring Jeffry Wells, Vikki Randall, and Thomas Jay Oord.

In this episode, Dr. Oord engages with the chapter in the book God After Deconstruction (co-authored by Thomas Jay Oord and Tripp Fuller) focusing on politics and Christian Nationalism, one of many reasons people undergo spiritual deconstruction.

In this episode, Dr. Oord discusses the theme of religious pluralism, one of nine themes discussed in the new book God After Deconstruction co-authored by Thomas Jay Oord & Tripp Fuller.To explore this and other themes which cause people to deconstruct their faith pick up a copy of God After Deconstruction.

This episode is jam-packed with such great conversation! Thomas Jay Oord spent some time sharing his journey, his thoughts on God,  Love, Theology and his thoughts about Deconstruction and how to navigate it. He recently had a book come out called God After Deconstruction, and this book is like a field guide for deconstructing! You're gonna want to listen to this one TWICE!Tom will be at ORTCON24 in July and Theology Beer Camp in October if you'd like to hear him speak and meet him in person.To learn more about how to register for ORTCON24, please visit this website.To register for Theology Beer Camp (using code JOURNEY2024 to save $25!), visit this website.To get a copy of Tom's new book with Tripp Fuller, God After Deconstruction, click here.To get a copy of Tom's book God Can't, click here. To get a copy of Tom's book Open and Relational Theology, click here.   Honoring the Journey is hosted, produced and edited by Leslie Nease and the artwork for the show is also created by Leslie Nease.If you are looking for community as you deconstruct or just a place to go and enjoy the company of people who are seekers, learners and who are looking to connect with the Divine without religious baggage, please join the Private Facebook Community! Leslie is very passionate about connection and community, so if that sounds like you, please come join us!

In this live session, Tom Oord and Tripp Fuller will joined by Josh Patterson of the (re)Thinking Faith podcast to discuss the nature of faith after certainty and the role of scripture for a faith in transition. WATCH the video of this episode here. You can access all 10 videos now by joining the class at www.GodAfterDeconstruction.com God After Deconstruction: Check out our upcoming class, book, and in-person events Theology Beer Camp: head over here to get info on 2024 camp Check out the ORTcon 24 event this coming summer Check out ORTline 24 – an amazing online event with TONS of open and relational theologians Thomas Jay Oord is a theologian, philosopher, and scholar of multi-disciplinary studies. He is an award-winning author, and he has written or edited more than twenty-five books. Oord directs a doctoral program at Northwind Theological Seminary and the Center for Open and Relational Theology. He won the Outstanding Faculty Award twelve times as a full-time professor and now speaks at institutions across the globe. Oord is known for his contributions to research on love, open and relational theology, science and religion, and freedom and relationships for transformation. Some Previous Tripp & Tom Pods Big God Questions Christ, Christmas, & the Incarnation the Death of Omnipotence! Brian McLaren & Thomas Jay Oord: a God Worthy of Love Process This! Process Theology QnA Authority, Atonement, Abortion, and a Big Hug from Pluriform Love to Divine Revelation Big God Twitter Takes Trump is (NOT) a Process Theologian & Other Questions Thomas Jay Oord wants you to know “God Can't” Open and Relational Theology Throwdown Open and Relational Q&A with Thomas Jay Oord Why Go Wesleyan? JOIN our next class, GOD AFTER DECONSTRUCTION with Thomas Jay Oord Come to THEOLOGY BEER CAMP. Follow the podcast, drop a review, send feedback/questions or become a member of the HBC Community. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Listen to the Utterly Heretical after show episode that Nate & Shelby recorded debriefing this conversation with Thomas Jay Oord Dr. Thomas Jay Oord delves into open relational theology, highlighting a non-controlling, relational God and rethinking traditional omnipotence. Check out his book God After Deconstruction with Tripp Fuller. We addresses deconstruction, the afterlife, and inclusivity beyond Christianity. Oord's perspective challenges conventional views on prayer, spirituality, and divine interaction, advocating for a faith that embraces questioning and experiential understanding of the divine. Thoughts, questions, stories? Please email almostheretical@gmail.com Become a member and get: 1. Bonus episodes of Utterly Heretical (our private podcast) every month 2. All full-length episodes 3. Access to our private community of 350+ listeners Become a member: https://almostheretical.com/subscribe Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am excited to share this conversation with Thomas Jay Oord. In it, we discuss what we've learned from surveying thousands of people in faith transition - the reasons, the process, and the possibilities after faith deconstruction. WATCH the video of the conversation here. JOIN our next class, GOD AFTER DECONSTRUCTION with Thomas Jay Oord Are you navigating the challenging landscape of faith deconstruction, seeking a path that affirms your deepest intuitions and values?  Join theologians Dr. Thomas Jay Oord and Dr. Tripp Fuller for a transformative online class, "God After Deconstruction." This six-week journey is designed to embrace the uncertainty, explore profound topics, and offer a constructive, hope-filled vision of God grounded in open and relational theology. In this course, we aim to foster a thoughtful and inclusive space where participants can explore a variety of topics crucial to the journey of reconstructing their spiritual beliefs. Come to THEOLOGY BEER CAMP. Follow the podcast, drop a review, send feedback/questions or become a member of the HBC Community. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am excited to share this conversation with Thomas Jay Oord. In it, we discuss what we’ve learned from surveying thousands of people in faith transition – the reasons, the process, and the possibilities after faith deconstruction. Are you navigating the challenging landscape of faith deconstruction, seeking a path that affirms your deepest intuitions and… Read more about What’s the deal with Deconstruction?

Dan looks at another argument in Thomas Jay Oord's new book: The Death of Omnipotence and Birth of Amipotence. Oord takes the premises: • Power is fundamentally social (it must be exercised on something). • Power does not exist in absolute isolation and he infers: • If God once existed without creation, that God had no power. • If that God had no power, that God could not have created anything. Does this argument work? Dan shares his initial doubts.  YOU can join future Surprising God conversations at SurprisingGod.com! Episode 20 YouTube Channel: Surprising God Dan's books: Confident Humility The Training of KX12 Send Questions To: Surprising God on X: @SurprisingGodFacebook: SurprisingGod Dan on X: @thatdankent

Summary In this conversation, Tim Whitaker and Thomas Jay Oord discuss the book 'The Deconstruction of Christianity' by Alisa Childers and Tim Barnett. They explore themes such as the concept of objective truth, the ambiguity of scripture, the role of subjectivity in interpretation, the problem of selective objectivity, the complexity of biblical interpretation, the inconsistencies in fundamentalist Christian beliefs, reasons for deconstruction, the inadequate responses to deconstruction, the contradictions in the authors' arguments, the flawed application of a modernist lens, the need for a standard outside of scripture, and the logical conclusion of Jesus' divinity. This conversation explores the problematic arguments presented in the book 'Why I Still Believe' by Tim Barnett and J. P. Moreland. The hosts discuss the weak arguments for Jesus as God and the divinely inspired predictions attributed to him. They also critique the book's emphasis on unquestioning biblical authority and the role of humans in interpreting the Bible. The conversation delves into the fear of questioning authority and the difficulty of leaving a tribe or way of life. The hosts highlight the problematic labeling of deconstructors as "captured" and the either/or approach to love. Thomas Oord also discussed his upcoming book on deconstruction and offers a different perspective on the topic. Takeaways The concept of objective truth and the role of subjectivity in interpretation are crucial in understanding deconstruction. The ambiguity of scripture and the complexities of biblical interpretation challenge the idea of a singular, objective truth. The authors' arguments in 'The Deconstruction of Christianity' often lack consistency and fail to address the complexities and nuances of the issues they discuss. The need for a standard outside of scripture and the recognition of the fruit of beliefs are important considerations in evaluating the validity of certain theological claims. The conversation highlights the ongoing challenges and debates surrounding deconstruction and the search for certainty in matters of faith. The arguments presented in 'Why I Still Believe' for Jesus as God and the divinely inspired predictions attributed to him are weak and unconvincing. Questioning biblical authority does not equate to deconstructing it, and it is important to recognize the role of humans in interpreting the Bible. The fear of questioning authority and the difficulty of leaving a tribe or way of life can hinder the process of deconstruction. Love should not be reduced to standing for truth or empathy alone, but should aim for overall well-being and flourishing. There is a need for a book that offers guidance and support to friends and parents of deconstructors, helping them navigate the process with empathy and understanding. Check out our website for merch, educational materials, and how to join our community! If you'd like to support our work, you can DONATE here! Follow Us On Instagram @thenewevangelicals  Subscribe On YouTube The New Evangelicals exists to support those who are tired of how evangelical church has been done before and want to see an authentic faith lived out with Jesus at the center. On this channel, you'll see videos from our founder Tim Whitaker and our incredible guests as they react and respond biblically to topics such as Christian Nationalism, church hurt, terrible Christian movies, bad conservative Christian takes, and MUCH more!  We are committed to building a caring community that emulates the ways of Jesus by reclaiming the evangelical tradition and embracing values that build a better way forward. If you've been marginalized by your faith, you are welcome here. We've built an empathetic and inclusive space that encourages authentic conversations, connections and faith. Whether you consider yourself a Christian, an exvangelical, someone who's questioning your faith, or someone who's left the faith entirely, you are welcome here! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Enjoy this panel discussion on "Deconstructing Divinity & Embracing Diversity" featuring Catherine Keller and John Thatamanil with Tripp Fuller at the "God After Deconstruction" live event at Drew University in February 2024. ONLINE CLASS: Register now for the "God After Deconstruction" online class with Tripp Fuller and Thomas Jay Oord now available at http://www.GodAfterDeconstruction.com. LIVE EVENT: Don't miss the next "God After Deconstruction" live event on April 12-13, 2024 at St. Andrew UMC in Highlands Ranch, CO, with the Persuade preaching conference being held April 11-12, 2024 at the same venue. Register now at http://www.GodAfterDeconstruction.com.  Watch the video here. Dr. Thatamanil is Professor of Theology & World Religions at Union Theological Seminary in NYC. Previous Podcast visits from John God – the Ground, the Between, the Personal What we do when we do theology A Comparative Theology of Religious Diversity Theology Without Walls Non-duality, Polydoxy, and Christian Identity Catherine Keller is George T. Cobb Professor of Constructive Theology in The Graduate Division of Religion of Drew University. If you are new to Catherine Keller and Process Theology this is the book to start with – On the Mystery: Discerning Divinity In Process. Previous Podcast visits from Catherine Theology in the Capitalocene Theology in Process Apocalyptic #ProcessParty with Catherine Keller & Jacob Erickson Theological Possibilities with Catherine Keller God-ish?:Logos of Theos in a (Seriously) Uncertain Time on Cloud of the Impossible Catherine Keller on Process, Poetry, & Post-Structuralism Theology for the People: Keller, Cobb and God The Birth of God and a new JC – part 2 Keller AAR Keller-riffic + Caputo Tells Pete the “lack” is BS JOIN the HISTORICAL JESUS class with Dom Crossan Follow the podcast, drop a review, send feedback/questions or become a member of the HBC Community. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Enjoy this panel discussion on “Deconstructing Divinity & Embracing Diversity” featuring Catherine Keller and John Thatamanil with Tripp Fuller at the “God After Deconstruction” live event at Drew University in February 2024. ONLINE CLASS: Register now for the “God After Deconstruction” online class with Tripp Fuller and Thomas Jay Oord now available at http://www.GodAfterDeconstruction.com. LIVE… Read more about Catherine Keller & John Thatamanil: Deconstructing Divinity & Embracing Diversity

Dan looks at an argument in Thomas Jay Oord's new book: The Death of Omnipotence and Birth of Amipotence. If it's true that "To exist is to exert power," what if we claim that God exerts all power? It seems to lead to the following disjunct: either (1) we do not exist or (2) we are God. Dan thinks through some potential problems with this line of thought.  YOU can join future Surprising God conversations at SurprisingGod.com! Episode 19 YouTube Channel: Surprising God Dan's books: Confident Humility The Training of KX12 Send Questions To: Surprising God on X: @SurprisingGodFacebook: SurprisingGod Dan on X: @thatdankent

This week I am joined once again by my friend and mentor Dr. Thomas Jay Oord. We take a deep dive into questions sent in by you, the listeners! The Center for Open and Relational Theology and Homebrewed Christianity are hosting a few events coming up called "God After Deconstruction". Many are walking away from church and/or God... for good reasons. The old ways of thinking make little sense. The hurt is real. This conference proposes better ways to think about God. A sensible view oriented around open and relational theology is possible after we deconstruct the irrational and harmful views so many are offered. We discuss the overall project that involves live events, a forthcoming book, and an online class. We also dig into the "why" behind deconstruction and have a meaningful conversation exploring what faith could look like afterward. Enjoy. RESOURCES: God After Deconstruction Tickets Online Class Join the Patreon for an Add Free Listening Experience *A special thanks to Josh Gilbert for managing the Podcast and to Dan Koch for providing the music.* Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We had a mind-blowing conversation with Thomas Jay Oord--theologian, best-selling author of "God Can't" and others, and director of the doctoral program at Northwind Seminary and the Center for Open and Relational Theology. We talk about God's power (or relative lack thereof), about the future of the Church and some of the reasons it doesn't fit any more for many people, about God's love and the inclusiveness for LGBTQ+ folx and others, and more. To hear more from Thomas Jay Oord, join Mark and Kelly on February 9-10 at God After Deconstruction at Drew University in Madison, NJ. More information on our website! Find Tom at ThomasJayOord.com, on social media at Thomas Jay Oord, Center for Open and Relational Theology - c4ort.com, Northwind Seminary - NorthwindSeminary.org, God After Deconstruction Live Event Series - homebrewedchristianity.lpages.co/god-after-deconstruction-info-page/

Thomas Jay Oord is back on the podcast! This episode has two different parts. The first is a live QnA from ORTcon23. The wide-ranging God questions came from the event attendees and were inspired by some fantastic conversations throughout the gathering. In the last bit, Tom and I discuss all the nerdy fun that went… Read more about Thomas Jay Oord: Big God Questions

Dr Thomas Oord, author of "The Death of Omnipotence and Birth of Amipotence", joins us again to discuss the omniscience of God. Joshua Noel asks Dr Oord about the differences of omnipotence and omniscience. They discuss their views of what God can and cannot know, then get into the nature of time and practical takeaways of this doctrine..What does the Bible mean by omnipotence? What is the problem with omnipotence? What is the theory of omnipotence? What is the paradox of God's omnipotence? What it means to be omniscience? What is the difference between omnipotent and omniscience? What are the 3 omnis of God? What is God's relationship with time? What is God's understanding of time? What does God say about the concept of time? .In this episode, we will:Explore the nature of God's knowledgeCompare omniscience and omnipotenceDeconstruct the construct of timeDiscuss the implications of God's inability to know the futureExplore Biblical support for and against God knowing the future.Support the show on Captivate or on Patreon, or by purchasing a comfy T-Shirt in our shop!.Join in our conversations on our Discord Server and Facebook group!.Hear every episode we have done with Dr Tom Oord so far:https://player.captivate.fm/collection/7908711e-0990-4e7c-b604-e5d4e6b1dba2.Check out Joshua's other show, "Dummy for Theology":https://player.captivate.fm/episode/1a27a558-5de8-4f4b-bdd0-7f104805a2ef.Find all of Dr Tom Oord's books:https://www.amazon.com/stores/Thomas-Jay-Oord/author/B001H6OGWE?ref=ap_rdr&store_ref=ap_rdr&isDramIntegrated=true&shoppingPortalEnabled=true.Check out the most recent episode of Systematic Geekology:https://player.captivate.fm/show/0d51c070-b021-4cf6-9cea-62294822562c/latest/Mentioned in this episode:Easily subscribe to our show wherever you listen!https://the-whole-church-podcast.captivate.fm/listenCheck out the other AMP Network shows!https://anazao-ministries.captivate.fm . https://open.spotify.com/show/725pdvTzkle0fDWK2sdxnD?si=e317918366e04338

In this episode, Justin and Matt speak with Thomas Jay Oord about his most recent book, "The Death of Omnipotence, and Birth of Amipotence" wherein Tom outlines many of the reasons why omnipotence is no longer credible or salvageable and wherein he offers an alternative view of divine power. We also discuss some of the challenges that have come along with being a more progressive voice in a conservative institution. Tom is a theologian, philosopher, and scholar of multidisciplinary studies. He's written or edited more than thirty books, and currently directs a doctoral program at Northwind Theological Seminary and the Center for Open and Relational Theology. Oord is known for his contributions to research on love, open and relational theology, science and religion, and freedom and relationships for transformation. Buy the book: https://www.amazon.com/Death-Omnipotence-Birth-Amipotence/dp/1948609916/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?crid=2KZUR4SANGIS9&keywords=thomas+oord&qid=1701537026&sprefix=thomas+oord%2Caps%2C109&sr=8-1-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGY&psc=1 Tom's website: https://thomasjayoord.com/ Music for this episode: Linha de Passe, Bao +Venuz Beats + Styles Davis Love Always, Nu Alkemi Conversion, Broad Sky Nomad's Theme, Matt Baker

This is a fun conversation with Thomas Jay Oord & Philip Clayton. We have a good time digging into some of the biggest theological questions surrounding Christmas and the Incarnation. Enjoy & then join our upcoming online class, The Cosmic Christ. Thomas Jay Oord is a theologian, philosopher, and scholar of multi-disciplinary studies. He is… Read more about Philip Clayton & Thomas Jay Oord: Christ, Christmas, & the Incarnation

Greg assesses Thomas Jay Oord's new book.   Episode 1149 Greg's new book: Inspired Imperfection Dan's new book: Confident Humility Send Questions To: Dan: @thatdankentTwitter: @reKnewOrg Facebook: ReKnew Email: askgregboyd@gmail.com Links: Greg's book:"Crucifixion of the Warrior God" Website: ReKnew.org  

In part two of our series on the problem of evil, Jared and Pete talk with Tom Oord about why people struggle to reconcile evil and suffering with a good God, theological solutions to the problem throughout history, and how process theology offers a different view of God's power.  Show Notes → Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

If we are going to find “more beautiful ways to live the Christin life” some shifts are necessary. In this episode Pete discusses how curiosity can allow us to make these changes. Then he interviews Dr. Thomas Jay Oord who espouses a fundamental shift that might surprise you.

Previous Tent guests Danielle Shroyer and Thomas Jay Oord join Sean for the fifth episode of the Disagree series to offer their perspective on how to enter into difficult conversations with calmness and an inner peace that does need to force other people to switch to your side of an argument. It may take us years to do so, but they point the way to helping engage with sharp disagreements in ways that still manages to offer people grace and care.You can find out more about Danielle Shroyer here and Thomas Jay Oord here.Has anything we make been interesting, useful or fruitful for you? You can support us by becoming a Fellow Traveller on our Patreon page HERE.

Dr Thomas Jay Oord is back to discuss differing ideas about Hell and the afterlife with Christian Ashley and our hosts, Joshua Noel and TJ (Tiberius Juan) Blackwell! We debate the existence of hell as a literal place, the meaning of salvation, and the nature of God. Christian represents the classic view of eternal punishment; Joshua maintains that either an annihilationist view or a universalist view would make the most sense; Dr Oord suggests that God pursues everyone in love in this life and the next, but cannot force anyone into heaven or hell; and, TJ debates whether it even matters what he believes about the subject..Is there such thing as Hell? What is Hell and where is it? What does God say about Hell? What is the eternal punishment in Christianity? What is the everlasting punishment in the Bible? What is the difference between conditional immortality and annihilationism? What is the meaning of the word annihilism? Do Christians still believe in predestination? What is the universalism of Christianity? Does the Bible support universalism? What are the beliefs of the universalists? How Can a Loving God Send People to Hell? Would a loving God send anyone to hell? What is God's purpose for hell? What did Jesus say about hell? What does God say about loving others?.In this episode, we will:Debate differing stances on hellDiscuss the nature of God and what it means to be "all-loving"Ask whether God can save Hitler or notDefine the differences of unity and uniformity.Support the show on Captivate or on Patreon, or by purchasing a comfy T-Shirt in our shop!.Join in our conversations on our Discord Server and Facebook group!.Check out our other discussions with Dr Tom Oord:https://player.captivate.fm/collection/7908711e-0990-4e7c-b604-e5d4e6b1dba2.Check out Joshua's discussion on atonement theories and PTSD in Star Trek:https://player.captivate.fm/episode/1a27a558-5de8-4f4b-bdd0-7f104805a2ef.Listen to Dr Tom Oord's podcast:https://thomasjayoord.com/index.php/podcast.Check out all of the episode of Systematic Geekology that feature TJ:https://player.captivate.fm/collection/f4c32709-d8ff-4cef-8dfd-5775275c3c5e.Check out all other shows on the AMP Network:https://anazao-ministries.captivate.fmMentioned in this episode:Easily subscribe to our show wherever you listen!https://the-whole-church-podcast.captivate.fm/listenCheck out the other AMP Network shows!https://anazao-ministries.captivate.fm . https://open.spotify.com/show/725pdvTzkle0fDWK2sdxnD?si=e317918366e04338

Tom Oord is back! Dr. Thomas Oord and his daughter Alexa compiled and edited a book called Why the Church of the Nazarene Should be Fully LGBTQ+ Affirming."  We wanted to talk to them about the book because everyone in the church (not just the Church of the Nazarene) is talking about human sexuality and whether or not the church should be LGBTQ+ affirming. LGBTQ+ inclusion and affirmation is something that's really important to us, and we love making space to have these much-needed conversations with scholars and, more importantly, queer people in and around the church to keep moving this essential conversation forward.For more on this topic, check out our previous episodes from Season 2: LGBTQ, the Church, and Why We're Affirming, Heavy Burdens: Interview with Bridget Eileen Rivera (Part 1), Heavy Burdens: Interview with Bridget Eileen Rivera (Part 2), and LGBTQ Christians, Shame, and Love: Interview with Dawne Moon and Theresa Tobin. In this episode, we tasted Little Elliot, a blueberry session mead from Manic Meadery. Jump to 7:05 to skip the tasting.Cheers!Content note: this episode contains explicit discussion of sex and sexuality.=====To chat with us and Bridget Eileen Rivera on August 17, subscribe at the Pappy level at our Patreon.=====Want to support us?The best way is to subscribe to our Patreon. Annual memberships are available for a 10% discount.If you'd rather make a one-time donation, you can contribute through our PayPal. Other important info: Rate & review us on Apple & Spotify Tweet us at @PPWBPodcast, @robertkwhitaker, and @RandyKnie Follow & message us on Facebook & Instagram Watch & comment on YouTube Email us at pastorandphilosopher@gmail.com Cheers!

Guest Bio: Thomas Jay Oord is a theologian, philosopher, and scholar of multi-disciplinary studies. He is an award-winning author, and he has written or edited more than twenty books. Oord has won the Outstanding Faculty Award twelve times as professor of Northwest Nazarene University, Nampa, Idaho. Oord is known for his contributions to research on love, relational theology, science and religion, and Wesleyan/Holiness/Church of the Nazarene thought.(Select) Guest Publications: The Nature of Love: A Theology; The Uncontrolling Love of God: An Open and Relational Account of Providence; God Can't: How to Believe in God and Love After Tragedy, Abuse, and Other Evils; and God Can't Q&A. Pluriform Love: An Open and Relational Theology of Well-Being; The Death of Omnipotence and Birth of Amipotence." Guest Links:www.thomasjayoord.comTwitter: @thomasjayoordTheme music by Forrest Clay. Check out the Recover EP anywhere good music is sold.Stay on top of all the latest at www.thedeconstructionists.com Go there to read our blog, grab a tee shirt, snag a pint glass or mug, follow us on social media, or join our Patreon family.The Deconstructionists Podcast is edited, mixed, and produced by John Williamson.Website by Ryan BattlesAll Photos by Jared HevronLogos designed by Joseph Ernst & Stephen PfluigT-Shirt designs by Joseph Ernst, Chad Flannigan, Colin Rigsby, and Jason TurnerOur Sponsors:* Check out Factor 75 and use my code deconstruct50 for a great deal: https://www.factor75.com/Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-deconstructionists/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

We speak with theologian and philosopher (and former pastor) Thomas Jay Oord about his new book The Death of Omnipotence and the Birth of Amipotence. We cover Tom's objections to the classical idea that God is all powerful, including that it's unbiblical, philosophically unsound, and makes the problem of evil impossible to solve.It's a fun interview and Tom is a good sport about putting up with Kyle's objections and quibbles. We get into the weeds a bit on this one, but given the significance of Tom's thesis and its implications for the problem of evil and suffering (and theism itself), the weeds are important. We barely scratch the surface of these issues, and in some ways this is an introductory discussion to other aspects of Tom's thought about God, which we hope to explore more with him in future conversations. As always, let us know your thoughts!In this episode, we tasted the exquisite Barrell Bourbon Batch 034. As Randy said, "Tasting this bourbon right now makes doing this podcast worth it." Grab a bottle if you see one. To skip the tasting, jump to 8:05.Content note: This episode contains discussion of the problem of evil, suffering, and theodicy, as well as some mild profanity.=====Want to support us?The best way is to subscribe to our Patreon. Annual memberships are available for a 10% discount.If you'd rather make a one-time donation, you can contribute through our PayPal. Other important info: Rate & review us on Apple & Spotify Tweet us at @PPWBPodcast, @robertkwhitaker, and @RandyKnie Follow & message us on Facebook & Instagram Watch & comment on YouTube Email us at pastorandphilosopher@gmail.com Cheers!

Dr. Thomas Jay Oord decalres "Omnipotence is dead.He continues "At least it should be. It has no biblical support. And it dies a death of a thousand qualifications in philosophy."Tom has a heart for those who struggle with a God who supposedly loves them but "allows", "permits" or even "causes" (according to come theological traditions) chaos to reign. Tom has spent over a decade contemplating and researching the Biblical truths behind this assertion.He doesn't allow people to "cheat" when it comes to the problem of evil by simply appealing to the mystery of God. While Oord is comfortable with mystery, he feels failing to grapple and deeply reflect on what tragedies like rape, murder, cancer, and unnecessary, seemingly random suffering in general happens to good people and the opposite; why do good things happen to bad people.Oord distinguishes between two types of mystery. Those related to God's nature such as the trinity, omnipresence, transcendence and imminence, and other things related to the mysteries of God, but he resists those who use mystery as an excuse to the hard work of contemplating God. The mystics are certainly comfortable with the mysterious ways of God, but they use that mystery to draw them into relationship with God. They use the mystery as an invitation to God to indwell every part of their nature and for them to indwell His.You may disagree with Tom's assertion. Perhaps a God who is not "in Control" seems impotent to you? Tom does not requre tacit agreement. He simply invites the reader on a quest for truth and to anlayze their assumptions about God's power. It has been incredibly healing for some, while it remains frighteneing or perhaps even angers some. That is okay. God is incredible patient s he lovingly works to reveal himself to us. If in the end you find Toms theological theory of Amipotence wanting, you are strill loved by Tom and the rest of creation.Tom continues from his introduction to His Book, "The Death of Omnipotence." "Those harmed and hurting wonder why an omnipotent God doesn't prevent their pointless pain. The problem of evil buries omnipotence six feet under.But the death of omnipotence is not the death of God.In this ground-breaking book, best-selling and award-winning author Thomas Jay Oord explains why omnipotence should be rejected. But Oord offers a replacement: amipotence, the power of uncontrolling love.If we think love shapes and guides God's power, we make better sense of life. And better sense of the Bible. Amipotence explains why God doesn't prevent genuine evil and overcomes other obstacles to belief. An amipotent Spirit empowers all that is loving, true, beautiful, and good.No book makes a bolder but more needed argument for why God is not all-powerful. Those who care about love, scripture, and logic find what they've been looking for." Buy the book today!"At the conclusion of The Death of Omnipotence and Birth of Amipotence, I address the question. It comes when I discuss amipotence, which is the power of God's uncontrolling love. Amipotence says that life is a divine gift, but it's a gift God necessarily gives. An amipotent God, among whose attributes love comes first, must give freedom, agency, self-organization, and integrity to all creation, depending on their complexity. God cannot fail to provide, withdraw, or override the gifts given. God loves necessarily. The Spirit gives gifts not because some outside force, law, or factor forces this giving. God gives gifts because love gives gifts. Because God's eternal and immutable nature is self-giving and others-empowering love, the Spirit must give integrity, self-organization, agency, and freedom to creatures and creation. This drastically changes how believers think about divine power. (For the remainder of the essay, see this link.)

Dr. Thomas Jay Oord, scholar and author of the books, God Can't: How to Believe in God After Abuse, Tragedy and Other Evils, and Open and Relational Theology, sits down with Tim to discuss Open and Relational Theology. Dr. Oord explains his background in Evangelism. Tim and Dr. Oord discuss Open Theology. Tim and Dr. Oord discuss, the power of God, defining the love of God, and explaining God's relationship to evil. Lastly, Tim and Dr. Oord discuss God's desires. Follow us on Instagram: @thenewevangelicals Support our work Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices