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CSIS’ Gregory C. Allen, Director of the Wadhwani Center for AI and Advanced Technologies, is joined by cohost H. Andrew Schwartz on a deep dive into the world of AI policy. Every two weeks, tune in for insightful discussions regarding AI policy regulation, innovation, national security, and geopolitics. The AI Policy Podcast is by the Wadhwani Center for AI and Advanced Technologies at CSIS, a bipartisan think-tank in Washington, D.C. 

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    Mapping Chinese AI Regulation with Matt Sheehan

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 2, 2025 68:34


    In this episode, we are joined by Matt Sheehan, fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. We discuss the evolution of China's AI policymaking process over the past decade (6:45), the key institutions shaping Chinese AI policy today (44:30), and the changing nature of China's attitude to AI safety (50:55). 

    AI Action Plan RFI, California's AI Policy Working Group Report, and Why Programming Jobs Are Disappearing

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 26, 2025 48:16


    In this episode, we discuss AI companies' responses to the White House AI Action Plan Request For Information (RFI) related to key areas like export controls and AI governance (00:51), the release of the Joint California Policy Working Group on AI Frontier Models draft report (24:45), and how AI might be affecting the computer programming job market (40:10). 

    The State and Local AI Regulation Landscape with Dean Ball

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 19, 2025 53:01


    In this episode of the AI Policy Podcast, Wadhwani AI Center Director Gregory C. Allen is joined by Dean Ball, Research Fellow in the Artificial Intelligence & Progress Project at George Mason University's Mercatus Center. They will discuss how state and local governments are approaching AI regulation, what factors are shaping these efforts, where state and local efforts intersect, and how a fractured approach to governance might affect the AI policy landscape. In addition to his role at the George Mason University's Mercatus Center, Dean Ball is the author of the Substack Hyperdimensional. Previously, he was Senior Program Manager for the Hoover Institution's State and Local Governance Initiative. Prior to his position at the Hoover Institution, he served as Executive Director of the Calvin Coolidge Presidential Foundation, based in Plymouth, Vermont and Washington, D.C. He also worked as the Deputy Director of State and Local Policy at the Manhattan Institute for Policy Research from 2014–2018.

    Deepseek Report, Manus AI, and the DOD's New Acquisition Approach

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 12, 2025 25:16


    In this episode, we discuss the Wadhwani AI Center's latest publication on the implications of DeepSeek for the future of export controls (0:40), Chinese company Manus AI (9:05), what Secretary Hegseth's memo means for the DOD AI ecosystem (15:27), and xAI's acquisition of 1 million square feet for its new data center in Memphis (21:28). 

    The UAE's AI Ambitions

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 4, 2025 53:22


    In this special episode, we are joined by Georgia Adamson, Research Associate at the CSIS Wadhwani AI Center, Lennart Heim, Associate Information Scientist at RAND, and Sam Winter-Levy, Fellow for Technology and International Affairs at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. We outline the biggest takeaways from our recent report about the UAE's role in the global AI race (2:34), the details of the Microsoft-G42 deal (17:21), our assessment of the UAE-China relationship when it comes to AI technology (25:45), and the future of export controls (44:07).

    Grok 3, DOGE, and Xi Jinping's Meeting with DeepSeek

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 25, 2025 35:07


    In our first video episode, we discuss xAI's release of the Grok 3 family of models, the Department of Government Efficiency's (DOGE) impact on the federal AI workforce, Xi Jinping's meeting with major Chinese AI company executives, and what the Evo-2 model could mean for the future of biology. 

    Unpacking the AI Action Summit

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 14, 2025 32:50


    In this special episode, Greg breaks down his biggest takeaways from the Paris AI Action Summit. He discusses France's goals for the summit (5:05), Vice President JD Vance's speech about the US vision for AI (12:16), the EU's approach to the convening (17:13), why the US and UK did not sign the summit declaration (20:50), and the rebranded UK AI Security Institute (23:20).

    DeepSeek Deep Dive

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 29, 2025 29:13


    In this crossover episode with Truth of the Matter, we discuss the origins of Chinese AI Company DeepSeek (0:55), the release of its DeepSeek R1 model and what it means for the future of U.S.- China AI competition (3:05), why it prompted such a massive reaction by U.S. policymakers and the U.S. stock market (14:04), and the Trump administration's response (24:03)  

    Week 1 of the Trump administration, AGI timelines, and DeepSeek

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 27, 2025 81:34


    In this episode, we break down President Trump's repeal of the the Biden administration's Executive Order (EO) on AI (1:00), the release of the America First Trade Policy memorandum (9:52), and the Trump administration's own AI EO (15:02). We are then joined by Lennart Heim, Senior Information Scientist at the RAND Corporation to discuss the Stargate announcement (20:40), how AI company CEOs are talking about AGI (38:36), and why the latest models from DeepSeek matter (52:02).

    Executive Order on AI and Energy Infrastructure - Emergency Podcast 2.0

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 14, 2025 22:38


    In this special episode of the AI Policy Podcast, Andrew, Greg, and CSIS Energy Security and Climate Change Program Director Joseph Majkut discuss the Biden administration's Executive Order on Advancing United States Leadership in Artificial Intelligence Infrastructure. They consider the motivation for this measure and its primary goals (1:07), its reception among AI and hyperscaler companies (12:18), and how the Trump administration might approach AI and energy (17:50). 

    AI Diffusion Framework - Emergency Podcast

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 13, 2025 28:06


    In this pressing episode, we break down the release of the Biden administration's Framework for Artificial Intelligence Diffusion. We discuss the rationale for this latest control (0:52), and its reception among major AI and semiconductor firms (8:14), U.S. allies (17:15), and the incoming administration (19:48). 

    Export Control Update, White House AI Czar, OpenAI-Anduril Team-up, and China's Loyal Wingman

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 19, 2024 20:14


    In this episode, we discuss the December 2nd semiconductor export control update (0:45), the Trump administration's appointment of David Sacks as the White House AI czar (5:35), the OpenAI and Anduril partnership and its implication for national security (9:31), and the latest from China's autonomous fighter aircraft program (16:39).  

    U.S. Priorities for Domestic and International AI Governance with Ben Buchanan

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 17, 2024 50:13


    On this special episode, Wadhwani AI Center director Gregory C. Allen is joined by Dr. Ben Buchanan, the White House Special Advisor for AI. They discuss the Biden administration's biggest AI policy achievements including the AI Bill of Rights, the AI Safety Institute, and the Hiroshima AI process, and the National Security Memorandum on AI.

    AI Policy in Trump 2.0

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 16, 2024 57:24


    On this special episode, New York Times reporter Ana Swanson is joined by Neil Chilson, Head of AI Policy at The Abundance Institute, Kara Frederick, Director, Tech Policy Center at The Heritage Foundation, and Brandon Pugh, Director and Senior Fellow, Cybersecurity and Emerging Threats at R Street Institute. They discuss what we can expect from the incoming Trump administration when it comes to AI policy. 

    Understanding the AI Policy Landscape with Alondra Nelson

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 9, 2024 50:14


    In this episode, we are joined by Alondra Nelson, the Harold F. Linder Chair in the School of Social Science at the Institute of Advanced Study, and the former acting director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy (OSTP). We discuss her background in AI policy (1:30), the Blueprint for the AI Bill of Rights (9:43), its relationship to the White House Executive Order on AI (23:47), the Senate AI Insight Forums (29:55), the European approach to AI governance (29:55), state-level AI regulation (41:20), and how the incoming administration should approach AI policy (47:04).

    Scaling Laws, a Chinese AI Ecosystem Update, and a Manhattan Project for AI

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 25, 2024 32:38


    In this episode, we discuss recent reporting that so called "scaling laws" are slowing and the potential implications for the policy community (0:37), the latest models coming out of the China AI ecosystem (12:37), the U.S. China - Economic Security Review Commission recommendation for a Manhattan Project for AI (19:02), and the biggest takeaways from the first draft of the European Union's General Purpose AI Code of Practice (25:46) https://www.csis.org/analysis/eu-code-practice-general-purpose-ai-key-takeaways-first-draft https://www.csis.org/analysis/ai-safety-institute-international-network-next-steps-and-recommendations https://www.csis.org/analysis/understanding-military-ai-ecosystem-ukraine https://www.csis.org/events/international-ai-policy-outlook-2025 Correction: hyperscalers Meta, Microsoft, Google, and Amazon are expected to invest $300 billion in AI and AI infrastructure in 2025.

    The Promise of AI Governance with Vilas Dhar

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 20, 2024 35:45


    In this episode we are joined by Vilas Dhar, President and Trustee of the Patrick J. McGovern Foundation, a 21st century $1.5 billion philanthropy advancing AI and data solutions to create a thriving, equitable, and sustainable future for all. We discuss his background (1:26), the foundation and its approach to AI philanthropy (4:11), building public sector capacity in AI (13:00), the definition of AI governance (20:07), ongoing multilateral governance efforts (23:01), how liberal and authoritarian norms affect AI (28:35), and what the future of AI might look like (30:30).

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    Predicting AI Policy in the Second Trump Administration

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 7, 2024 27:34


    In this episode, we discuss what AI policy might look like under the second Trump administration. We dive into the first Trump administration's achievements (0:50), how the Trump campaign handled AI policy (3:37), and where the new administration might fall on key issue areas like national security (5:59), safety (7:37), export controls (11:27), open-source (14:04), and more. 

    The National Security Memorandum on AI

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 25, 2024 30:04


    In this special episode, we discuss the National Security Memorandum on AI the Biden administration released on October 24th, its primary audience and main objectives, and what the upcoming U.S. election could mean for its implementation. 

    AI and Advanced Technologies in the Fight: Combatant Command and Service Collaboration

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 2, 2024 83:36


    On this special episode, Wadhwani AI Center director Gregory C. Allen is joined by Schuyler Moore, the first-ever Chief Technology Officer of U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM), Justin Fanelli, the Chief Technology Officer of the Department of the Navy, and Dr. Alex Miller, the Chief Technology Officer for the Chief of Staff of the Army for a discussion on the warfighter's adoption of emerging technologies. They discuss how U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM), in conjunction with the Army and Navy, has been driving the use of AI and other advanced technologies through a series of exercises such as Desert Sentry, Digital Falcon Oasis, Desert Guardian, and Project Convergence.

    The European Perspective on AI Governance with Dragoș Tudorache

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 16, 2024 54:38


    In this episode, we are joined by former MEP Dragoș Tudorache, co-rapporteur of the EU AI Act and Chair of the Special Committee on AI in the Digital Age. We discuss where we are in the EU AI Act roadmap (2:37), how to balance innovation and regulation (11:20), the future of the EU AI Office (25:00), and the increasing energy infrastructure demands of AI (42:30). The European Approach to Regulating Artificial Intelligence

    Nvidia's Earnings Report, Gallium and Germanium Export Controls, and OpenAI's National Security Demo

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 5, 2024 25:09


    In this episode, we discuss Nvidia's earnings report and its implications for the AI industry (0:53), the impact of China's Gallium and Germanium export controls on the global semiconductor competition (9:50), and why OpenAI is demonstrating its capabilities for the national security community (18:00).

    The Past, Present, and Future of Technology Forecasting with Jeff Alstott

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 30, 2024 59:26


    In this episode, we are joined by Jeff Alstott, expert at the National Science Foundation (NSF) and director of the Center for Technology and Security Policy at RAND, to discuss past technology forecasting across the national security community (20:45) and a new NSF initiative called Assessing and Predicting Technology Outcomes (APTO) (31:30).  https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/new.nsf.gov/tip/updates/nsf-invests-nearly-52m-align-science-technology__;!!KRhing!eOu1AsJT51VVjrOK6T3-do43HgthGjQ9H0JkwgwH774TXBgeHKT2IweoShOS_F8P27yWUnkbispIRQ$

    New Collaborative Combat Aircraft (CCA) Report, AI Chip Smuggling, California's SB 1047, and an EU AI Act Update

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 23, 2024 37:18


    In this episode, we discuss the CSIS Wadhwani Center for AI and Advanced Technologies latest report on the DOD's Collaborative Combat Aircraft (CCA) program (0:58), what recent news about AI chip smuggling means for U.S. export controls (13:40), how California's SB 1047 might affect AI regulation (23:18), and our biggest takeaways from the EU AI Act going into force (33:52). Collaborative Combat Aircraft Program: Good News, Bad News, and Unanswered Questions

    Understanding What Intellectual Property Regulation Means For AI with Andrei Iancu

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 5, 2024 59:52


    In this episode, we are joined by Andrei Iancu, former Undersecretary of Commerce for Intellectual Property and former Director of the US Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO), to discuss whether AI-generated works can be copyrighted (15:52), what the latest USPTO guidance means for the patent subject matter eligibility of AI systems (22:31), who can claim inventorship for AI-facilitated inventions (36:00), and the use of AI by patent and trademark applicants and the USPTO (53:43).

    The U.S. Vision for AI Safety: A Conversation with Elizabeth Kelly, Director of the U.S. AI Safety Institute

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 1, 2024 50:03


    On this special episode, the CSIS Wadhwani Center for AI and Advanced Technologies is pleased to host Elizabeth Kelly, Director of the United States Artificial Intelligence Safety Institute at the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) at the U.S. Department of Commerce. The U.S. AI Safety Institute (AISI) was announced by Vice President Kamala Harris at the UK AI Safety Summit in November 2023. The institute was established to advance the science, practice, and adoption of AI safety in the face of risks including those to national security, public safety, and individual rights. Director Kelly will discuss the U.S. AISI's recently released Strategic Vision, its activities under President Biden's AI Executive Order, and its approach to the AISI global network announced at the AI Seoul Summit. 

    How are the Harris and Trump Campaigns Thinking about AI Policy?

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 29, 2024 36:38


    In this episode, we discuss what AI policy might like look after the 2024 U.S. presidential election. We dive into the past (1:00), present (9:50), and future (22:50) of both the Trump and Harris campaigns' AI policy positions and where they fall on the key issue areas like safety (23:01), open-source (25:17), energy infrastructure (33:27), and more.

    AI Transformation at the DOD: A Conversation with Chief Digital and AI Officer, Dr. Radha Plumb

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 16, 2024 63:21


    In this episode, DOD Chief Digital and AI Officer Dr. Radha Plumb joins Greg Allen to discuss the Chief Digital and Artificial Intelligence Office (CDAO)'s current role at the department and a preview of its upcoming projects. The CDAO was established in 2022 to create, implement, and steer the DOD's digital transformation and adoption of AI. Under Dr. Plumb's leadership, the CDAO recently announced a new initiative, Open Data and Applications Government-owned Interoperable Repositories (DAGIR), which will open a multi-vendor ecosystem connecting DOD end users with innovative software solutions. Dr. Plumb discusses the role of Open DAGIR and a series of other transformative projects currently underway at the CDAO.

    Autonomous Weapons in Ukraine, Overturning the Chevron Doctrine, and the Delayed Deployment of Apple Intelligence in the EU

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 8, 2024 50:56


    In this episode, we discuss the state of autonomous weapons systems adoption in Ukraine (00:55), our takeaways from the Supreme Court's decision to overturn the Chevron Doctrine and the implications for AI regulation (17:35), the delayed deployment of Apple Intelligence in the EU (30:55), and a breakdown of Nvidia's deal to sell its technology to data centers in the Middle East (41:30).

    AI at the G7 Leaders' Summit, Apple and OpenAI's Partnership, and Saudi Arabia's Zhipu AI Investment

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 18, 2024 20:36


    In this episode, we discuss our biggest takeaways from the AI agenda at the G7 Leaders' Summit (0:41), the details of the Apple-OpenAI partnership announcement (8:05), and why Saudi Aramco's investment in Zhipu AI represents a groundbreaking moment in China-Saudi Arabia relations (16:25).

    AI Seoul Summit, U.S.-China AI Safety Readout, and the Zhousidun Dataset

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 3, 2024 21:28


    In this episode, we break down the policy outcomes from the AI Seoul Summit (0:22), the latest news from the U.S.-China AI safety talks (7:59), and why the Zhousidun (Zeus's Shield) dataset matters (16:30). 

    Schumer's AI Policy Roadmap, U.S.-China AI Safety Dialogue, and the Replicator Initiative Announcement

    Play Episode Listen Later May 20, 2024 36:41


    In this episode, we discuss our biggest takeaways from the bipartisan AI policy roadmap led by Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (1:10), what to expect from the U.S.-China AI safety dialogue (9:55), recent updates to the DOD's Replicator Initiative (19:25), and Microsoft's new Intelligence Community AI Tool (29:31).

    E.U.-Japan AI Safety Cooperation, U.S. AI Safety Institute Update, and the Air Force's CCA Contract Award

    Play Episode Listen Later May 3, 2024 21:52


    In this episode, we discuss our biggest takeaways from the new E.U.-Japan AI safety cooperation agreement (0:39), why the latest staffing update from the U.S. AI Safety Institute matters (4:57), and how the Air Force's Collaborative Combat Aircraft (CCA) contract award is changing the way the DOD develops autonomous systems (11:40). aipolicypodcast@csis.org Wadhwani Center for AI and Advanced Technologies | CSIS

    G42's Partnership with Microsoft, the IDF's Reported AI System, and Meta's Watermarking Update

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 19, 2024 29:58


    In this episode, we discuss Microsoft's investment in G42 and questions surrounding G42's ties to China (1:12), the latest reporting about the Israeli military's use of AI and policy implications advanced technologies in warfare (9:23), and Meta's new watermarking policy (23:01). aipolicypodcast@csis.org Wadhwani Center for AI and Advanced Technologies | CSIS The DARPA Perspective on AI and Autonomy at the DOD | CSIS Events Scaling AI-enabled Capabilities at the DOD: Government and Industry Perspectives: The State of DOD AI and Autonomy Policy:

    The Three Horizons of AI Policy

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 5, 2024 27:38


    In this episode, we discuss a framework for understanding the rapidly changing AI policy landscape (0:53), the first-of-its-kind U.S. and U.K. partnership on AI Safety (8:20), Open AI's Voice Engine system (10:53), OMB's latest AI policy announcement (18:00), and Mexico's new role in AI infrastructure (21:50).

    How is the G7 Thinking about AI?

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 29, 2024 50:40


    In this episode, we give an insider's view on the March G7's Digital and Tech Ministerial meetings (6:15), the Hiroshima Code of Conduct and it's interaction with the EU AI Act (10:50), a breakdown of the new TikTok bill (23:25), and how AI use impacts the already overstressed power grids (40:49) AI and Advanced Technology Insights Wadhwani Center for AI & Advanced Technologies Website Our New Report: Advancing the Hiroshima AI Process Code of Conduct under the 2024 Italian G7 Presidency: Timeline and Recommendations Contact us: aipolicypodcast@csis.org

    The Future of AI and Autonomy in the Automotive Industry with Volvo CEO Jim Rowan

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 15, 2024 54:20


    In this episode, we are joined by Volvo CEO Jim Rowan to discuss how AI and autonomy are transforming Volvo's business (3:28), the fragmented regulatory environment around autonomous driving (17:00), navigating the increasingly tense U.S.-China relationship (23:10), its implications for the EV industry (33:14), and upcoming policy changes to look out for (52:00).

    Open AI's legal troubles, Microsoft-Mistral Partnership, and the AI Safety Institute Consortium

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 7, 2024 22:18


    In this episode, we discuss the latest legal issues facing OpenAI (0:38), the new Microsoft-Mistral partnership(15:25), and what we can expect from the newly founded U.S. AI Safety Institute Consortium (18:36).

    The State of the Global Semiconductor Competition with Chris Miller

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 28, 2024 33:46


    On this special episode of the AI Policy Podcast, we are joined by Chris Miller, author of Chip War: the Fight for the World's Most Critical Technology, and Professor of International History at Tufts University. We discuss Secretary of Commerce Gina Raimondo's CHIPS Act announcement (1:38), how the semiconductor landscape has changed since Chip War was published (6:39), why U.S. export controls on Russia and China are leaky (12:29), and the latest news from the Chinese semiconductor industry (22:58)

    OpenAI Releases Sora

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 22, 2024 24:26


    On this episode of the AI Policy Podcast, we discuss the release of OpenAI's Sora tool (0:35), its implications for media (4:10), the risks associated with the model (7:05), and what it all means for elections (18:33) and copyright (22:17).

    E.U. AI Act Recap, Chip War Update, and U.S.-China AI Safety Dialogues

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 8, 2024 26:35


    On this episode, we discuss the most recent E.U. AI Act milestone (1:19), the latest from the AI chip war (12:23), and U.S.-China AI safety dialogues (22:15).

    Global Technology Competition in the Age of AI

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 29, 2024 47:59


    On this episode of the AI Policy Podcast, we discuss global technology competition with Senators Michael Bennet and Todd Young.

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