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President Donald Trump visited the southeastern Oklahoma City of Durant on Thursday, spurring Republican voters to turn out and vote in the Nov. 3 midterm elections. Hundreds spent the drizzly, dreary day in the rain, clad in red ball caps, American flag shirts, and cowboy hats, waiting to hear from the president.“Thirty-three days from now the people of Oklahoma are going to defeat the radical left again,” Trump told the cheering crowd.Hiring momentum slowed in September following the previous month's blockbuster jobs report, U.S. government data show. The economy added 29,000 new jobs last month, from the downwardly revised 133,000 in August, according to a report released by the Bureau of Labor Statistics on Friday.

Matt Lee-Ashley has a fascinating background in politics and public land policy. He served as the chief of staff and director of policy and programs for the White House council on environmental quality under the Biden administration, and served as a deputy chief of staff for the Department of the Interior.Ground Shift is a new project - Matt took on the Executive Director role in February of this year - but they are asking some big, fundamental questions about the structure of our public lands system here in the US. I've been fascinated by public land management for many years now. I serve on the board of directors for a non-profit called the Birds of Prey NCA Partnership, which is a friends group associated with the Morley Nelson Snake River Birds of Prey National Conservation Area. This National Conservation Area is just south of Boise, ID, where I live, and my involvement with this protected area shapes my perspective on public land management.I've seen the effects first hand of the current administration's efforts to dismantle the Bureau of Land Management, the agency responsible for managing my local National Conservation Area. I've interviewed a number of folks over the past few years about efforts to fight back against this dismantling, and I'm always disappointed by the limitations that these positive initiatives face.This is why I was so excited to speak with Matt. Ground Shift isn't shying away from big ideas. They are leaning into the chaos, and treating it like an opportunity. Their ideas cross partisan lines, and benefit from the growing public understanding that our systems and institutions tasked with managing public lands are fundamentally broken.I encourage folks to check out the Ground Shift website, where you'll find a series of essays written by a diverse array of prominent thinkers focused on public lands. Get full access to Earth to Humans Podcast's Substack at earthtohumanspodcast.substack.com/subscribe

FEMA has issued a formal definition of emergency management, calling it the strategic coordination of emergency services to protect life, property, and continuity of operations, and paired it with 12 coordination responsibilities that every FEMA component must now align its doctrine, training and publications to. Three Federal Register notices published yesterday reset the annual assistance numbers: Individuals and Households Program maximums rise to $44,800 each for housing and other needs, Serious Needs Assistance goes to $790, and the Public Assistance simplified procedures threshold moves to $1,093,800. Texas added four more counties for Public Assistance, while its Individual Assistance request for 30 counties remains pending. The national preparedness level holds at 2 with 62 incidents and 5,400 personnel, down 297, and three new large fires in the Southern Area. Moisture from decaying Hurricane Polo brings wetting rain and localized flooding to the Southwest and Colorado today.The EMN Daily NEWS is your concise daily update on national and state-by-state emergency management news. For more detailed analysis of issues facing emergency management, subscribe to EM Network on Substack.KEY TAKEAWAYSFEMA doctrine: The definition came in a September memorandum from Administrator Cameron Hamilton, released September 22 during National Preparedness Month. It sets 12 coordination responsibilities running from capacity building through continuous improvement, alongside professional skills covering command and coordination, consequence analysis, planning, decision-making under pressure, technical writing and after-action analysis. FEMA says the standard applies regardless of sector, and all components will update doctrine, policy, guidance, training, workforce materials and exercise products to match.Assistance thresholds: The new figures took effect with yesterday's Federal Register notices and are indexed to a 2.9 percent increase in the Consumer Price Index for the 12 months ending August 2025. The Individuals and Households Program caps at $44,800 for housing assistance and $44,800 for other needs assistance. Serious Needs Assistance is set at $790. The Public Assistance simplified procedures threshold rises to $1,093,800.Texas: The major disaster declaration for the July storms and flooding now includes Grimes, Live Oak, McMullen and Schleicher counties for Public Assistance, in addition to the 19 counties approved earlier. The state's request for Individual Assistance covering 30 counties remains pending.Get ready, Long Beach! Join emergency management professionals from across the country and around the world for the IAEM 74th Annual Conference & EMEX, November 9-11, 2026, and experience three incredible days of big ideas, new connections, innovation, and the people shaping the future of emergency management. We'll see you in Long Beach!Wildfire posture: Preparedness Level 2 with 62 incidents, 15 uncontained large fires, 1,690,313 acres and 5,400 personnel, a drop of 297, per the Tuesday situation report. Initial attack was light, with 90 fires, three new large incidents, two large fires contained and five complex teams committed. Year to date, the country is at 57,521 fires and 8,565,689 acres, 124 and 141 percent of the ten-year averages.Southern Area: Fifty-five new fires and three new large incidents. Honey, nine miles southwest of Okmulgee, Oklahoma, on Bureau of Indian Affairs protection, is 333 acres and 80 percent contained, with active fire behavior and structures threatened. 3 Alpha Sierra, five miles west of Weston, Florida, is 330 acres and 16 percent contained. Stone Bridge near Wilburton, Oklahoma, grew to 45 acres with residences threatened.California: Timber on the Los Padres National Forest jumped to 88 percent contained, up from 77, with numerous structures still threatened and costs at $171.6 million. Dome in Yosemite National Park grew 178 acres to 5,259 acres, at 31 percent contained. Command on Plaskett transfers back to the local unit today.Northwest: Eight uncontained large fires and 2,425 personnel, down 163. Little Giant on the Okanogan-Wenatchee National Forest rose to 91 percent contained with structures still threatened, and Northwest Team 12 is mobilizing. Three Queens holds at 33 percent contained with numerous residences and critical infrastructure threatened.Recovery calendar: SBA physical damage deadlines for the September 1 declarations close November 1 in Colorado and South Dakota and November 2 in Missouri and Texas, with economic injury applications open to June 1, 2027.Fire weather: Breezy northerly winds develop in parts of the Sacramento Valley and southern California with relative humidity of 10 to 15 percent, creating elevated conditions. Downslope westerly winds are expected in north-central Montana east of the Divide. Moisture from decaying Hurricane Polo persists over the Southwest and Colorado with widespread wetting rain and local amounts near 3 inches, bringing areas of flooding.SOURCESFEMA doctrineFEMA, Administrator's Corner: We Must Return to the Basics, A Definition of Emergency Management and Professional Framework, released Sept 22 (page could not be retrieved in this sweep; text supplied by the editor)https://www.fema.gov/about/administrators-corner/emergency-management-frameworkFederal assistanceFederal Register: Notice of Maximum Amount of Assistance Under the Individuals and Households Program, published Sept 29https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2026/09/29/2026-19854/notice-of-maximum-amount-of-assistance-under-the-individuals-and-households-programFederal Register: Notice of Award Amount Adjustment for Serious Needs Assistance, published Sept 29https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2026/09/29/2026-19856/notice-of-award-amount-adjustment-for-serious-needs-assistanceFederal Register: Notice of Adjustment of Disaster Grant Amounts, published Sept 29https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2026/09/29/2026-19898/notice-of-adjustment-of-disaster-grant-amountsFederal Register: Notices of Emergency and Major Disaster Declarations and Related Amendments, March through August 2026, published Sept 29https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2026/09/29/2026-19857/notices-of-emergency-and-major-disaster-declarations-and-related-amendmentsOffice of the Texas Governor: federal disaster assistance approved for four additional counties, Individual Assistance request pendinghttps://gov.texas.gov/news/post/governor-abbott-announces-approval-of-federal-disaster-assistance-for-four-additional-counties-following-summer-storms-and-floodingWildfire, nationalNICC Incident Management Situation Report and Predictive Services discussion: Tuesday, Sept 29, 2026, 0730 MDT (live PDF, overwritten daily). Source for all fire figures and the Southern Area, California and Northwest items.https://www.nifc.gov/nicc-files/sitreprt.pdfIMSR archivehttps://www.nifc.gov/nicc/incident-information/imsr This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit emnetwork.substack.com/subscribe

Kevin covers and discusses the following stories: an update on Atlantic and Pacific hurricanes; the U.S. Commerce Department reported August Durable Goods Orders; the University of Michigan released their September Consumer Sentiment Index; the Conference Board's September Consumer Confidence Index was released; the U.S. Labor Department's Bureau of Labor Statistics released the August Job Openings and Labor Turnover Survey (JOLTS); S&P Dow Jone Indices reported July S&P Cotality Case-Shiller data; Anderson Trucking Service enacted driver pay adjustments; oil prices react to Middle East crude oil production and exports; Kevin has the details, digs into the data, puts the information into historical perspective, offers his insights and opinions.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

NPR reported that a startup proposed a nuclear-powered data center on public land in Utah, triggering federal and state reviews. The project would require Bureau of Land Management approvals under the National Environmental Policy Act and separate nuclear licensing from the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission. Recent developments include the NRC's 2023 certification of NuScale's small modular reactor design and UAMPS canceling its NuScale-affiliated project in 2023 due to costs. Water rights and environmental permits would run through Utah agencies, with grid interconnection involving PacifiCorp's Rocky Mountain Power. Amazon Web Services acquired the Cumulus Data campus from Talen Energy for $650 million with up to 960 megawatts supplied from the Susquehanna nuclear plant, while Microsoft and Constellation advanced hourly nuclear matching and Google pursued geothermal with Fervo Energy. Federal incentives under the Inflation Reduction Act and DOE loan guarantees could influence project economics and timelines.Learn more on this news by visiting us at: https://greyjournal.net/news/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Stephen Grootes speaks to Cobus Venter, Senior economist at Bureau for Economic Research about what the evidence really tells us about AI and jobs, and whether South Africa should be preparing for an employment shock. Research from the Bureau for Economic Research finds little evidence of a broad labour-market shock from AI so far, but points to possible changes in the composition of employment, particularly for younger and entry-level workers in AI-exposed occupations. The Money Show is a podcast hosted by well-known journalist and radio presenter, Stephen Grootes. He explores the latest economic trends, business developments, investment opportunities, and personal finance strategies. Each episode features engaging conversations with top newsmakers, industry experts, financial advisors, entrepreneurs, and politicians, offering you thought-provoking insights to navigate the ever-changing financial landscape.    Thank you for listening to a podcast from The Money Show Listen live Primedia+ weekdays from 18:00 and 20:00 (SA Time) to The Money Show with Stephen Grootes broadcast on 702 https://buff.ly/gk3y0Kj and CapeTalk https://buff.ly/NnFM3Nk For more from the show, go to https://buff.ly/7QpH0jY or find all the catch-up podcasts here https://buff.ly/PlhvUVe Subscribe to The Money Show Daily Newsletter and the Weekly Business Wrap here https://buff.ly/v5mfetc The Money Show is brought to you by Absa     Follow us on social media   702 on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TalkRadio702 702 on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@talkradio702 702 on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/talkradio702/ 702 on X: https://x.com/CapeTalk 702 on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@radio702   CapeTalk on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/CapeTalk CapeTalk on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@capetalk CapeTalk on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ CapeTalk on X: https://x.com/Radio702 CapeTalk on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@CapeTalk567 See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Les géants de l’IA réunis hier à la Maison Blanche : peu de résultats concrets sinon une promesse d’autodiscipline. Mais, pourquoi certains veulent des règles contraignantes et surtout pourquoi le discours apocalyptique répété par certains ? La rencontre Bureau-Dumont avec Stéphan Bureau et Mario Dumont. Regardez aussi cette discussion en vidéo via https://www.qub.ca/videos ou en vous abonnant à QUB télé : https://www.tvaplus.ca/qub ou sur la chaîne YouTube QUB https://www.youtube.com/@qub_radio Pour de l'information concernant l'utilisation de vos données personnelles - https://omnystudio.com/policies/listener/fr

Dur coup pour le clan Lopez Crime et société avec Félix Séguin, journaliste au Bureau d’enquête de Québecor. Regardez aussi cette discussion en vidéo via https://www.qub.ca/videos ou en vous abonnant à QUB télé : https://www.tvaplus.ca/qub ou sur la chaîne YouTube QUB https://www.youtube.com/@qub_radio Pour de l'information concernant l'utilisation de vos données personnelles - https://omnystudio.com/policies/listener/fr

What happens when a Baptist pastor trades the pulpit for Quantico—and eventually becomes a 15-year FBI SWAT operator? On this episode of TheMisFitNation, former FBI Special Agent Eric Robinson joins Jake and Stephen for a wide-ranging conversation about his extraordinary journey from Christian ministry to 24 years inside the Federal Bureau of Investigation. Eric spent 12 years in ministry before entering the FBI, where he went on to work cases involving white-collar crime, public corruption, gangs, drugs, crimes against children, counterterrorism, national security, human intelligence, and more. He also served 15 years as an FBI SWAT operator, along with roles as a firearms instructor and tactical instructor. This is not the Hollywood version of the FBI. Eric breaks down what federal investigations and tactical operations actually look like, how SWAT teams prepare for dangerous arrests, why planning and overwhelming presence can sometimes prevent violence, and what civilians often misunderstand about how tactical teams decide when and how to engage. He also takes us inside the human side of federal law enforcement. Eric explains how his years as a pastor became one of his most valuable tools as an FBI agent. The ability to listen, build trust, withhold judgment, communicate under pressure, and understand what motivates people helped him interview suspects, work with victims, recruit confidential informants, and navigate some of the most difficult conversations imaginable. The crew also gets into: How FBI agents recruit and develop confidential informants What actually happens during federal interrogations Why yelling and table-slamming are often ineffective How agents prepare for long-term criminal investigations The difference between FBI arrests and local law enforcement encounters What FBI SWAT operators do before entering a dangerous situation How counterterrorism investigations are built What happens when suspects refuse to cooperate The reality of multi-agency investigations How Behavioral Analysis is actually used inside the FBI What shows like Criminal Minds and other FBI dramas get right—and very wrong The strange, disturbing, and unforgettable cases agents encounter that never make television How decades of investigating people from every walk of life changed Eric's understanding of human behavior Eric also shares stories from counterterrorism cases, gang investigations, threats against public officials, undercover operations, informants, SWAT callouts, and some truly unbelievable moments from his career. Through it all, one theme keeps coming back: no matter how advanced the technology, how powerful the tactical equipment, or how large the investigation becomes, law enforcement eventually comes down to one person trying to understand another. Eric is now turning those experiences into stories through his upcoming book and speaking work. Connect with Eric Robinson: https://preachertobreacher.com/ Connect with TheMisFitNation: https://www.themisfitnation.com If you enjoy unfiltered conversations with veterans, first responders, law enforcement professionals, investigators, leaders, survivors, and people who have lived extraordinary stories, follow TheMisFitNation and share this episode with someone who loves real stories from behind the badge. Topics: FBI, FBI SWAT, FBI Special Agent, federal law enforcement, counterterrorism, confidential informants, interrogations, criminal investigations, Quantico, tactical operations, Behavioral Analysis Unit, undercover investigations, true crime, gangs, terrorism investigations, human behavior, faith, ministry, law enforcement leadership, and real FBI stories. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Nevada rancher Hank Vogler joins Trent Loos on Rural Route to tackle issues threatening rural America. They expose the failures of the Bureau of Land Management's wild horse contraceptive program and explain how powerful advocacy groups have outmuscled livestock producers while herds explode across…

Kam Harper grew up on a cotton farm, but his road back to agriculture took him through the Marine Corps, law enforcement and an unexpected business opportunity. In this episode of the Louisiana Farm Bureau Podcast, Karl Wiggers visits the Franklin Parish farmer and owner of Macon Ridge Specialty Drones to discuss how a magazine article sparked a spray drone business and how a conversation with a longtime farmer opened the door to farming for himself. Along the way, Kam shares how faith, family and his agricultural community keep him going through the toughest days.Show Notes:Learn more about Macon Ridge Specialty Drone Services. Here's the first story I did with Kam in 2023 about the new drone business. A recent story with Kam Harper about the 2026 crop -- Second-Chance Corn: Northeast Louisiana Farmer Harvests Replanted Crop.Learn more about Louisiana Farm Bureau Young Farmers & Ranchers hereFind a Louisiana Farm Bureau office in your parish here.Become a member of Louisiana Farm Bureau today.

Hour 3 opens with Marc Cox and Kim St. Onge examining national political polling trends on the Marc Cox Shortlist (sponsored by RhinoShield), reviewing voter turnout projections among Democratic and MAGA Republican voters ahead of the November 2026 midterm elections. Fox & Friends First anchor Todd Pyro joins the show to discuss international security detentions, cashless bail policies, and higher education campus safety investigations. On 2A Tuesday, Armed American Radio host and Second Amendment Foundation board member Mark Walters details his interview with Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) Director Robert Cekada, highlighting policy shifts reducing Federal Firearms License (FFL) revocations alongside legal challenges against California firearm legislation signed by Governor Gavin Newsom. On Kim on a Whim, sponsored by Missouri Brush Control, the hosts evaluate federal gainful employment regulations, higher education financing accountability, and post-graduation income metrics under proposed 2027 Department of Education rules. LISTEN TO 97.1 FM TALK LIVE IN ST LOUIS OR STREAM WORLDWIDE AT 971TALK.COM Hashtags: #971FMTalk #StLouis #STLNews #MarkWalters #ToddPyro #StudentLoans

Marc Cox and Kim St. Onge host Armed American Radio host and Second Amendment Foundation board member Mark Walters. The segment examines Walters' recent interview at the Gun Rights Policy Conference with Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) Director Robert Cekada and Chief Counsel Robert Leiter. Walters details shifts in federal firearms enforcement, highlighting a reduction in Federal Firearms License (FFL) revocations from approximately 1,200 under previous administrative zero-tolerance rules to 12 since statutory policy adjustments took effect. The discussion covers pending state-level gun control legislation signed by California Governor Gavin Newsom, legal challenges before the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit, and federal appellate timelines for Second Amendment cases before the U.S. Supreme Court. LISTEN TO 97.1 FM TALK LIVE IN ST LOUIS OR STREAM WORLDWIDE AT 971TALK.COM Hashtags:

En cavale au Mexique Allégations de racisme au SPVM: les preuves transférées au DPCP Crime et société avec Félix Séguin, journaliste au Bureau d’enquête de Québecor. Regardez aussi cette discussion en vidéo via https://www.qub.ca/videos ou en vous abonnant à QUB télé : https://www.tvaplus.ca/qub ou sur la chaîne YouTube QUB https://www.youtube.com/@qub_radio Pour de l'information concernant l'utilisation de vos données personnelles - https://omnystudio.com/policies/listener/fr

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On Tuesday, the Labor Department will report how many job openings were posted in August. On Wednesday, the Bureau of Economic Analysis will report how much personal income grew in August. And on Friday, the Labor Department will report how much hiring occurred this month. So what types of jobs are employers trying to fill? Also on this morning's episode: lowered tariffs with China and a look at public distrust in the federal government.Every story has an economic angle. Want some in your inbox? Subscribe to our daily or weekly newsletter.Marketplace Morning Report is more than a radio show. Check out our original reporting and financial literacy content at marketplace.org — and consider making an investment in our future.Stories featured in this episode:Job openings are up, especially in manufacturing and constructionWhy trust in the federal government is down in the dumps

On Tuesday, the Labor Department will report how many job openings were posted in August. On Wednesday, the Bureau of Economic Analysis will report how much personal income grew in August. And on Friday, the Labor Department will report how much hiring occurred this month. So what types of jobs are employers trying to fill? Also on this morning's episode: lowered tariffs with China and a look at public distrust in the federal government.Every story has an economic angle. Want some in your inbox? Subscribe to our daily or weekly newsletter.Marketplace Morning Report is more than a radio show. Check out our original reporting and financial literacy content at marketplace.org — and consider making an investment in our future.Stories featured in this episode:Job openings are up, especially in manufacturing and constructionWhy trust in the federal government is down in the dumps

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In Washington, Republican Sen. Jon Husted breaks with President Donald Trump and calls for a quick end to the Iran War, citing high gas prices.State lawmakers return to Columbus this week to vote on pausing Ohio's gas tax.Republicans want to hurry up legislation, but will Democrats go along? And where will the $700 million dollars come from to pay for it?As the November election nears, both Republican and Democratic candidates zero in on voters' economic concerns.A court rules that Ohio can require proof of citizenship when registering to vote at the Bureau of Motor Vehicles.We're discussing all of these topics on this week's Reporter Roundtable.Guests:Andrew Tobias, state government and politics reporter, Signal OhioLaura Hancock, politics and policy reporter, Cleveland.comMorgan Trau, statehouse reporter, WEWS News Five Cleveland

Episode Summary If a client asked you right now to prove that anything you did last quarter actually moved their business, could you do it? This is the provocative question that opens today's episode and sets the stage for an honest discussion on what PR practitioners are missing when it comes to measurement.  According to the Meltwater and WE Communications State of PR report,  21% of PR pros still name measuring impact and ROI as a top challenge, not because they don't have tools, and not because they don't know it matters. This leaves many practitioners continuing to report on activity rather than impact. The problem is structural: a standards and accountability gap that has been sitting under the industry for more than a decade. The Barcelona Principles are fifteen years old and still not reaching the majority of practitioners who need them most. Just as CCOs have earned a formal seat at the strategic table, 91% of Fortune 500 CEOs say polarization has increased the importance of PR —you have a profession that has been handed an invitation it isn't yet fully equipped to accept.  Episode Highlights [00:13] The Opening Gut Check That Frames Everything: Michelle opens before the music with a direct question: if a client asked right now to prove that anything you did last quarter actually moved their business, could you do it? Karen's honest answer is yes  but only because she has done the work, and she wasn't always there. The episode is built around the gap between those two positions: the practitioner who can answer that question with confidence, and the majority who can't yet. [02:15] What the Meltwater Data Actually Shows: The starting point is Meltwater's annual State of PR report, produced with WE Communications. Key findings: 21% of PR pros say measuring impact and ROI is a top challenge. 24% point to insufficient resources. And when asked what's blocking better measurement, the top three answers are aligning metrics to business KPIs at 35%, proving PR's value to leadership at 28%, and overreliance on outdated metrics at 22%. Most tellingly: over 40% of respondents are still measuring activity — volume of media placements, reach, impressions — instead of outcomes. Fifteen years after the Barcelona Principles told the industry to stop doing this. [06:48] The Tools Are There. The Standards Are Not.: Karen's reframe of the data: over 70% of respondents say they partially or completely already have the tools they need to connect PR to business outcomes. This is not a tools gap. It is not a knowledge gap. It is a standards and accountability gap. The Barcelona Principles now on version 4.0 after their fourth revision represent a rigorous framework for outcome-based measurement that was agreed upon by 200 delegates from 30 countries in 2010. Among AMEC's own membership, only 3% still consider advertising value equivalencies relevant. But AMEC's membership is self-selected, people who showed up specifically to care about measurement. In the broader Meltwater survey, reach and volume are still the top two metrics in actual use. The people who need the standard most are the least likely to be in the room where it's being taught. [11:40] No Licensing Body, No Enforcement, No Consequence: PRSA has approximately 3,000 members. The Bureau of Labor Statistics counts roughly 282,000 public relations specialists in the US workforce for 2026, not including PR managers or many agency roles. That means PRSA reaches something like 1% of the profession. No licensing exam. No continuing education requirement. No consequence to anyone who never learns outcome-based measurement. Karen is direct that this is not a criticism of a diverse field that welcomes practitioners from many paths. It is simply the lay of the land and it explains why something as established as the Barcelona Principles remains unknown to most of the profession it was designed to help. [13:53] The C-Suite Has Sent the Invitation — The Field Is Still Catching Up: The second half of the episode turns to the demand side. The Conference Board surveyed over 1,700 C-suite executives and found that chief communication officers have, quote, earned their seat at the table now explicitly expected to be strategic advisors, not just message conveyors. The 2026 USC Annenberg Global Communications Report found 91% of Fortune 500 CEOs say polarization has increased the importance of PR inside their organizations, with two-thirds expecting their comms function to be restructured soon. Cision's comms report found 84% of comms leaders feel increased demand from the C-suite for their counsel. But in that same survey, 37% still struggle to measure impact effectively, and 43% struggle to turn the data they have into actionable insight. The C-suite has moved faster than the field's infrastructure, education standards, and accountability systems. That mismatch is Karen's core diagnosis. [17:43] The RPIE Cycle and Why Evaluation Gets Swallowed: RPIE — research, planning, implementation, and evaluation — is the standard planning cycle taught in PR programs. Karen and Michelle note that many practitioners who didn't go to school for PR, or came up through a different path, may have been doing this intuitively without knowing it had a name or a structure. The specific gap: evaluation is treated as the thing that happens when there's time left over at the end of a campaign, not as a scheduled, dedicated phase of the work. The consequence is that most PR practitioners are doing the middle of the cycle thoroughly and skipping the ends. Karen also names something counterintuitive: failure is a reportable metric. It tells you where to adjust your tactics, refine your messaging, and reconsider your audience assumptions. Avoiding reporting failure is human nature — and it's a mistake. [22:53] The Solo-Specific Barrier: Tools That Cost $250,000: Karen names the measurement gap that no industry report will capture for independent practitioners: many of the tools that do the heavy lifting on measurement dashboards and attribution are simply unaffordable at solo scale. She is direct about her own experience spending roughly 40 hours of work time building measurement infrastructure by hand because she didn't have a $250,000 tools budget. Once the system is built, it's built. But getting there without agency resources, without a team to distribute the labor, and without a budget for enterprise software is a real and legitimate barrier that the industry data consistently undercounts. [25:52] The Three-Question Filter: Karen closes the practical section with three questions every solo practitioner should be able to answer about their current client work. One: for each current client, can you name the two or three specific business KPIs that your work is actually supposed to move? Not outputs but actual business KPIs. Two: have you scheduled evaluation as its own dedicated time block, separate from the campaign itself or does it happen when there's time left over? Three: could you defend your measurement approach to a skeptical CFO in 60 seconds using outcome language, not reach and impressions? Karen's note on the third question: if you flinched, that's not a failure. That's useful information. [27:21] The Live Drill: Healthcare Media Relations: Michelle walks a scenario: a practitioner running media relations for a regional healthcare system, whose monthly deliverable has always been placement counts and impressions. Karen runs the three questions against it. On KPIs: the practitioner needs to sit down with the client and ask what business result the placements are supposed to support — patient volume in a specific service line, donor confidence, physician recruitment. If the client can't answer that, the conversation about KPIs is the starting point, not a measurement tool. On evaluation time: most PR campaign cycles move from execution to reporting to the next campaign, with no actual evaluation phase. Blocking even a few hours at the end of the quarter to ask whether the numbers agreed on what actually moved is a structural change. On the CFO test: impressions are not an outcome. The practitioner who can connect placements to a physician recruitment result or a patient inquiry spike can defend their work. The one who can't is at risk in any leadership conversation. [32:10] Why This Is Not Optional and Where to Start: Karen closes directly: this is not a nice-to-do. Measuring outcomes and not outputs, understanding the language of business, being able to show how your work moves the business forward  this is the life of your PR business and career. She says it with weight, not alarm. And then immediately offers the other side: don't feel bad if you don't know where to start. The knowledge gap is real, the barrier is structural, and the path from where you are to where you need to be is learnable. Free resources exist such as books, case studies, and the RPIE framework itself. Peers who have already built this muscle can help. The Solo PR Pro community is specifically the safe space for questions practitioners don't want to ask publicly. Resources & Additional Information Meltwater and WE Communication: State of PR 2026 Report AMEC: Barcelona Principles (version 4.0)  The Conference Board: C-Suite Outlook 2026 That Solo Life, Episode 342: What the 2026 USC Global Communications Report Says About PR Today USC Annenberg: Global Communications Report 2026 Cision:  2026 State of the Media / Communications Report Solo PR Pro membership community: soloprpro.com That Solo Life podcast website: thatsololife.com Host & Show Info That Solo Life is a podcast created for public relations, communication, and marketing professionals who work as independent and small practitioners. Hosted by Karen Swim, APR, President of Solo PR Pro, and Michelle Kane, Principal of Voice Matters, the show delivers expert insights, encouragement, and practical advice for solo PR pros navigating today's dynamic professional landscape. Listen to all episodes and catch up on previous conversations at thatsololife.com. Did this episode inspire you? 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What if your AI strategy is creating more risk than progress? John Willis joins Andrew Stotz to trace how Deming's System of Profound Knowledge shaped the way he thinks about organizations, learning, and change. From his early days building DevOps to the AI transformations he's navigating with CIOs today. Along the way, John connects Deming to fast feedback loops, explains why leaders keep mistaking a learning problem for a technology problem, and shares stories that never made it into his book, Deming's Journey to Profound Knowledge.   A fresh conversation for longtime Deming thinkers and those just beginning the journey.   TRANSCRIPT 0:00:02.0 Andrew Stotz: My name is Andrew Stotz and I'll be your host as we continue our journey into the teachings of Dr. W. Edwards Deming. Today I'm here with featured guest, John Willis. John, how are you doing?   0:00:15.7 John Willis: Great, Andrew. I was just thinking, I feel like that song, like I got my picture on the cover of Rolling Stone. Like, I'm on the Deming Institute podcast. Yay.   [laughter]   0:00:24.9 Andrew Stotz: We finally got you on.   0:00:27.8 John Willis: Yeah, yeah.   0:00:30.3 Andrew Stotz: Actually been a while and I wanna introduce you just briefly and then I'll let you do a little bit more of the introduction. But basically on Amazon, a book popped up and I was just looking at the date of that. That book popped up on, for me, it popped up on September 6, 2023 on Audible and I immediately bought it and I got the Audible book and the book's called 'Deming's Journey to Profound Knowledge. How Deming Helped Win a War, Altered the Face of Industry, and Holds the Key to Our Future'. And I immediately got it. Didn't know you, listened to it, loved it. Later you reached out on LinkedIn and we started communicating and you were kind enough to send a copy of it, which I then went through in more detail. I love the book. I really highly recommend the Audible version because it's just fun. Because the book is opening up a whole new Deming lens, a whole new way from somebody that never met Deming, and I just found that fascinating. So maybe why don't you take a moment and introduce yourself to the audience so that people know who you are, where you've been, what you've been doing and what you're doing now?   0:01:41.4 John Willis: Yeah, no, no, great. I... So, yeah, I... I've been doing technology, usually high consequence business, regulated industry, banks, retail, the biggest of the bigs, where the technology is incredibly important. Right? And I've been doing five decades of basic technology transformations, and I'm kind of the person who gets bored real easy. So I've literally gone through, like, you name it, mainframe, centralized computing, client server, distributed computing, priority systems, the Linux Open systems, you know, owned infrastructure cloud, and I'm consider one of the founders of the DevOps movement. And now today, like the cliché that I am, I've been doing a lot of organizational strategy on AI. So I don't come in and tell you how to turn 4,000 developers into AI coders. I kind of tell your CIOs to slow down. Wait a minute. So, yeah, so my day job today is I'm... I think these days finally in my life I would call myself an author first. I've written a number of books. The one you did, I had... My last book was a history of 100 history, 100 Year History of AI. And... But I'm an advisor, so I sort of... I take inbounds. I don't really look for work. Usually it's a chief of staff for a CIO who either has worked with me in the past and hey John, we're underwater with AI. Can you come in? Or they hear something I've said or I do a lot of podcasts and then I'm sort of a quasi investor. Although I probably should listen to your stuff a little better because I'm typically... I'm one of those guys that like, if I invest in it, you go short on it right away. So... [laughter] But yeah. But, yeah, no, so... But my day job today is really, is doing research. I'm actually just sure, this probably opened up a whole another discussion. Maybe later but I'm writing a book about the history of quantum computing right now and that's been just fascinating. So...   0:03:41.7 Andrew Stotz: Yeah.   0:03:41.8 John Willis: But my day job is helping CIOs and large high consequence organizations try to shuffle through technology transformations.   0:03:50.7 Andrew Stotz: And for the audience there that didn't catch what you were saying at the beginning, it kind of dated you because you were talking about the song called Rolling Stone by Dr. Hook.   0:03:59.9 John Willis: Yeah, yeah, totally.   0:04:01.3 Andrew Stotz: Dr. Hook published this in about 1972. And here are the lyrics. "Wanna see my picture on the cover? Wanna buy five copies for my mother? Wanna see my smiling face on the cover of Rolling Stone?" So here...   0:04:12.8 John Willis: Totally. Yeah. There you go. Deming Institute. Yeah, no, great.   0:04:16.7 Andrew Stotz: And one of the things that I found fascinating was just how you came to Deming from a very different angle. I was lucky enough that my boss at Pepsi sent me to study with him and I did two different seminars. The last one was in 1992. So I was 24, he was 92, was gonna live about one more year. I had... I could literally reach out and touch the man and hold his hand and sit next to him. I got a great picture of me sitting next to him. And I was just a young guy with a fresh mind compared to the 500 guys behind me that were older that he was bashing at times. But tell us a little bit about how you stumbled upon this topic and why you decided to do what you did with writing the book?   0:05:03.7 John Willis: Yeah, no, it's sort of interesting. I sort of say that for the first, I don't know, probably from 1980, my first job was running five distributed large computer systems for Exxon Research and Production, basically the geophysics work, right, during the most hottest period of the oil industry. And there were people doing that part of variation and understanding, but that didn't sort of hit my world. I was supporting geophysical processing and then so I rolled into other jobs. And then probably the closest I came... So in other words, I'm dealing with a lot of these major transformations and always focusing on the meta side, like the organizational. What are the things that are wrong? How do we fix the human and technology? There's a phrase called sociotechnical systems, right? And that's always where I've been most interested. And then even I was at GE Capital and I'll say this with all honesty, I was a Green Belt, but they gave out Green Belts for Six Sigma, [laughter] right? My wife was actually a Black Belt. And... But we would do... And I know Deming hated Six Sigma and all that, but we were doing... It was all around me, right? And then it wasn't until really the DevOps age that we really... That was a major shift in my career because before everything was sort of first generational from a technology or sociotechnical system, very command control, you sort of you installed software in a certain way. There were so many principles that were being broken by DevOps. And I was already an older guy at that point, but I was learning from these young kids and I'm known as the person who introduced DevOps to the US.   0:06:52.3 John Willis: And... But so there is where we started going back and understanding... We thought everything was new. We were creating DevOps, we were doing all this crazy awesome stuff. And I remember a friend of mine, well, a good friend of mine wrote a book called 'The Phoenix Project' by Gene Kim and it's a rewrite of Eliyahu Goldratt's 'The Goal'. And I was like, oh my God. And I read all of Goldratt's books and I was like, okay, this is the way, this is the way. I've seen a glimpse of some 30 or 40 year knowledge that I was missing. And then it was an open space seminar. A good friend of mine says, "John, you know." and I'm going off about Goldratt and he's like, "You know this all goes back to Deming." I'm like, "Who's Deming?" I'm like, "I just spent a year learning everything I could about Goldratt. He is my North Star. And now you're telling me..." And he challenged me. He said, "John, I'll leave it at this. You go read Deming's 14 Points and if you don't... I know you. I know what you're gonna do once you do that." And he was spot on. That was it. I was... And I don't... I'm more into the Profound Knowledge and we could talk a little bit about my journey there. But I was like, oh my goodness, this is the real and I love Eliyahu Goldratt and I love 'The Goal' and I love all his books. But Deming was hitting... Was like punching me right square in the face.   0:08:12.0 Andrew Stotz: So to what gap did it close for you? I mean, Goldratt is very specific about the main limiting point...   0:08:23.2 John Willis: Yeah.   0:08:23.3 Andrew Stotz: The bottleneck, how do we solve this?   0:08:25.6 John Willis: So the 14 Points, sort of one of the jokes is that it's mandatory to put the 14 Points in a DevOps presentation. So we were doing that dance a little bit, but then when I got a little serious about it, actually me and Gene Kim, we did a book. Goldratt has this book called 'Beyond the Goal'. It's an audio-only book, right? And I convinced Gene about five years after he had written 'The Phoenix Project' to do a Beyond the Phoenix Project. And so he did Goldratt, I did Deming. And at that point, I knew enough about Deming to say, "Okay let's..." And then we talked about DevOps and the principles of Lean and we did... I always, when somebody says they bought that audiobook, I'm like, "Oh, you're the 15th person that bought it." right? But it sold more than that. But the... But that's when Gene tapped me on the shoulder and did that. We went to the studio. It was a highlight of my life, literally going to the studio with Gene and literally recording for a couple of weeks. And he's like, "John, you really need to write a book about Dr. Deming." And then I started building a folder. And then the crash course then or the trajectory at that point not really crash course is that you realize the 14 Points are, no disrespect, but vaguely interesting. You're like, "Okay, Mount Everest is System of Profound Knowledge." Right? Because that's the mount... And that's the one where you're like, "Okay, I read 'Out of the Crisis', I think I get it, the 14 Points make sense, but like, what is this stuff he's talking about here?" Right? And then you read 'New Economics' and it's like, "I still..." And then, so for me then, it was, I'm just one of these person like I have... And again, I'm not trying to make myself look like I'm special, but I have to learn. I can't... I'm the worst person in a... If I was in your class, you'd kick me out of your class because I'd be sitting in the front row and you'd be, "Oh no, not you again."   0:09:26.2 Andrew Stotz: Another question.   0:10:26.9 John Willis: Yeah I know just another question. I mean, I've been cut off by professors and... But the... I'm like, "All right, I got to get to the bottom of this." And that was almost a 10-year journey for me of... I had to know. Because it was clear to me that Profound Knowledge or System of Profound Knowledge was not something he invented out of thin air. Like, I had to figure out, where did he get this? And that started the genesis of how I was gonna write the book, which is the journey, 'Deming's Journey to Profound Knowledge'. And that sort of took me into... And what that did, while I was learning that, of course, Deming opened the door to guys like Russell Ackoff and Ashby and just all these other sort of management thinkers and even Drucker or whatever, right? They all sort of started filling out a palette. But meanwhile, I'm still driving hard on Deming. And what that gentleman said to me, good friend of mine, Ben Rockwood, who I give tribute in the book, is when he said to me, almost like tapped me on the head, like, "John, John, John, it all goes back to Deming." Like, you start seeing the clarity of DevOps, Lean, Agile, it all had these things. And so I spent literally a long time really trying to figure out, okay, how did Deming get... We all know variation is relatively simple to understand where he got that from, right? Shewhart's work and all that stuff. And I'm not trivializing the impact of what he did for it, but knowledge was interesting. And knowledge I had to go to pragmatism. You had to understand what C.I. Lewis is. And that's a book that Deming said he had to read seven times.   0:12:03.1 Andrew Stotz: He had to read it seven times...there's no hope for me.   [overlapping conversation]   0:12:05.2 John Willis: That's right. No, actually I did Tom Sawyer. I have a friend who's one of the smartest people I know. He's like, "I'll read that." And he explained it to me. But and then I read it. But so knowledge, this sort of, how do we understand? How do we know what we think we really know, right? That whole epistemology and all that. To me, this is like sort of, just give me more, right? And see more and feed me. And then system thinking was interesting, appreciation for system, because then that got me back to, okay, and there was some missing links there. And I found that one of the guys who came up with General Systems Theory, von Bertalanffy, him and yeah, Ackoff. Him and Ackoff had sat in a seminar of his like in the '40s and so there was some influence there. And there's a lot of work that's been going on in systems thinking after him. But so then I got that and then the psychology is tough, right? But so I put all that together. And then my... The thing I was telling you earlier is, when I do the research for a project like this, I read everything that there is about it. So my AI book, I read 25 books on AI, history of AI. I'm up to like 10 books on the history of quantum computing.   0:13:23.4 John Willis: With Deming, I've read every book that's been written by Deming, at least the ones that I know of, right? And one of the things I noticed, the pattern was that they all... Again, I'm just simplifying it. They all started off with a little bit about the biography, some a little longer than others, but in general, most of the book was about the management theory. And it was really a book that was being sold as a business book more than it was as a biography. And one of the things I've always loved about Michael Lewis or that sort of story of nonfiction storytelling is he tells a biography, it's a disguised biography and I thought, my God this... And as I kept compiling over the years all these great stories, you know, the Doris Quinn story, right? The woman who, she went to New Guinea and Deming... Spent the last two years of her life with Deming. I mean, most of the people that are Deming disciples didn't even know about this woman. And she spent the last two years of life traveling with him. So I met her and interviewed her. And the stories, you know Hawthorne, and there was such... It wasn't just that, I love the idea of trying to explain how he got to management theory and epistemology, how did he get to the science of variation? That's all good stuff. But I wanted the stories, and the stories were just glorious. As you enjoyed the book, right?   0:14:52.4 Andrew Stotz: Yeah.   0:14:53.3 John Willis: I think that was the fun part of not just explaining the sort of tech, if you will, but it was the, like the, oh my God, this... I've got to... I had three chapters like six years before I wrote the book.   0:15:06.9 Andrew Stotz: Yeah. Well, here's chapter 15. And you say, "Being a student of Deming, I came across an untold firsthand account of a beautiful story from one of his acolytes, a woman named Doris Quinn," who you're talking about.   0:15:20.0 John Willis: Yeah. Yeah.   0:15:20.2 Andrew Stotz: And... But the... I also had marked a section related to talking about the final days, saying...   0:15:29.7 John Willis: Yeah.   0:15:29.8 Andrew Stotz: "Doris said he was a very, very driven man. He went nonstop. I remember one time we were in Kansas City and a reporter asked him, "Dr. Deming, when are you going to retire?" And the master said, "Why would I do that?" "Well, so you can do what you want." the reporter said."   0:15:45.7 John Willis: Yeah, yeah, yeah.   0:15:46.4 Andrew Stotz: "Dr. Deming looked at him and said, "I am doing what I want."   0:15:50.2 John Willis: Yeah. You know what I love about her? There's a really good book from Amazon called 'Working Backwards'. And they tell us... The guys who wrote it were pretty high up early on in Amazon. They tell the story how if they traveled with Bezos and you didn't have a whole set of questions on the plane ride, you got in trouble. And so Doris Quinn tells that story, how she literally, she tells the story of how she traveled with him and he's like, "Doris, what other questions do you have for me?" And if she didn't have one, he'd get mad at her. He wouldn't talk to her. They'd have to wait a day because normally they'd go and have gin together. But if she didn't have questions... And some of it's in the book, some of it was in conversations had... He'd literally get mad at her and not talk to her for the rest of the day [laughter] because she didn't have any questions. You got to love that, right?   0:16:39.2 Andrew Stotz: And you also did a little follow-on about more stories that you didn't get in the book, I believe.   0:16:48.1 John Willis: Yeah. Yeah.   0:16:48.2 Andrew Stotz: Tell us about that.   0:16:50.1 John Willis: Well, so I wrote the DevOps Handbook, right? And that was a collaboration with four other authors and took us six years to write it. So my wife says, "What parts did you write?" I'm like, I don't know, man. There were a lot of parts that went in and out and moved around when you have four authors, and it was really a very techie book. So 'Deming's Journey to Profound Knowledge' was really the first book where I literally... It was my book. And so I had written the book. In fact, my favorite story, and Doris Quinn is a great story, my favorite one was... It was basically called The Devil Wears Prada. And so, and Kevin... I don't think Kevin, his mother even knew this when we were talking that his grandmother literally was... I mean, I think they knew that she worked for the pre-BLS, she was a statistical mathematician and all that.   0:17:45.3 Andrew Stotz: Right.   0:17:45.4 John Willis: But after the war, she worked before she... I don't know if she met Deming, but she certainly wasn't married to him, Dr. Deming. She worked on the mail-order business was getting all these returns for women's sizing. And so whatever the pre-BLS was, Bureau of Labor Statistics, commissioned her to do a study. And she's the one who invented women's sizings. Because before, they didn't really have all the different measurements. So she ran a whole statistical study. And so today... So I use the whole story of the Anne Hathaway, the 14 is the new seven and all. So I start that off. Anyway, so I go to my publisher and my editor, who I love, she'd already knocked out a lot of stories, but this is the one where, "You're not taking this story from me. You're not... This one is not." And then she's so good, she'll be like, "John, let me ask you this. Does it fit the arc?" By this point, she understands System of Profound Knowledge, she's read my book quite a bit, and she says, "Does it fit the arc of System of Profound Knowledge?" "Uh, I hate you." And I took it out. And then she said, "Well, why don't you make a blog post out of it?" And I'm like, "Oh, no. I'm gonna make another book." And I took all the stories we cut out and I called them Profound Stories. And yeah, so...   0:19:06.6 Andrew Stotz: And for the listeners and viewers, you can get it on Kindle and then you can read the stories. And I think for the Deming community, that's one of the best parts about this whole thing, is just there's no great collection of stories that has an arc to it, as you said. So I enjoy that. I wanna also... It'd be interesting to understand how your thinking has progressed about Deming, because obviously you talk about this introduction phase where you got to know him, then you have this intense phase that you seem to have a knack for, then you write the book, you have all the excitement about that, but you're on to other things.   0:19:46.8 John Willis: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.   0:19:46.9 Andrew Stotz: And there are remnants of Deming that remain with you, but there's others that have fallen by the wayside. Maybe they're not as critical as you may have thought or... I'm just curious, how does the Deming thinking unfold in your life now?   0:19:59.7 John Willis: I... It's become sort of a fabric. So, and I wanna get back to that, but I do wanna say one thing... I'm so... Whenever somebody tells me the story that they met Deming, I have two reactions. One is the hair on my skin, my arms go up thinking, "Oh, I wish that was me." But then the other one is like, I'm sure he would have yelled at me and got mad at me. Because he would basically be like, "That's a stupid question, Mr. Willis." So I have this fantasy of which way it would go. But anyway. Yeah, the question around what do I think now? I think, so if you go back to the narrative, he... And it's hard not to be a sycophant of Deming, right? But I am a sycophant of Deming, but I try not to be. And... But even in the book, I tried not to be a sycophant, right? I went out of my way. But so when I say this, Deming was in my DNA before I even knew who he was, right? Like at Exxon, at GE Capital, the Six Sigma stuff. And again, I understand for people listening, oh, the Six Sigma went the wrong direction, but it originally was stemmed from a lot of his ideas. And so it was there. So it was sort of foundational, and he was the lighthouse to put it in... And then System of Profound Knowledge became the taxonomy for me for this stuff that was in my DNA. And so in one way, there is this thing where you move on to a new transformation. And we're in one right now. We've been in one. I've been in one for five years now, which is with the AI. And again, same thing for me is it's not about the AI, it's organizational behavior, organizational patterns, what is the sociotechnical science behind how do you do these things?   0:21:48.4 John Willis: But so you forget... I always say technology shifts are like fluorescence. People use the metaphor of like spring and winter, like AI winter, AI spring, and they've used it for other things than AI. And that's sort of like a rebirth. The fluorescence is good because it's like an energy. It's always rolling forward. It just gets a fluorescence bright glow periodically. And so what the problem with the metaphor works for me because the energy is there, and the energy are the patterns that are consistent. The fluorescence is the blinding effect. So back to like, did anything fall off the wayside with Deming? Yes, for a little bit. Because in 20... Basically I started playing with the early versions of GPT, the OpenAI models, back at version two, and that was like around 2020, right? Even before ChatGPT, right? So that whole experience before we started even thinking about what this was gonna look like at a large-scale bank was fluorescence. Like I'm not thinking anything about Deming from 2020 to 2023. In 2023, 2024, I start getting asked to come into some of my larger clients. And I'm following it too, and I'm sort of... I'm starting to become aware that this is becoming... In fact, I'm pretty sure in the grand scheme of things that don't matter in the grand scheme, I'm pretty sure I got first use on shadow AI, in an article I wrote in like 2022 or 2021, right?   0:23:27.2 John Willis: So I had already been recognizing there's a problem pattern here. We got the shadow IT with the cloud stuff, now the shadow AI, and I could see this steamrolling happening so... And then I started getting called in organizations, and then I still was the wayside of the Deming. Like, I didn't walk in going, "Hey, I'm gonna hit the punching bag with Deming." I was coming in trying to figure out what do I know about patterns with this fluorescence metaphor that are new and shiny, and what are the things that are old that have been relevant for the five decades and the six transform... At least six transformations I've been through that are common in everyone. And I started seeing that. And then what was funny, as I'd be writing and researching with AI, it knew so much about me that even as early as like 2024, I had loaded in my Deming book. In fact, one of the ways I learned AI is I took the 'Deming's Journey to Profound Knowledge' and I turned it into an augmented general retrieval, or what they call RAG database. So I learned a lot about AI because I knew what my book was, and I could validate what was hallucinations.   0:24:36.3 John Willis: Anyway, but it knew enough about me. And then what it would periodically do, it would say, "Would you like Deming's version of this?" I'm like, "Yeah, I would love that." And then I... It started refreshing my memory of what the real context going back to my friend Ben Rockwood, it all goes back to Deming. And so now it's actually on the... It's more than ever, it's on the forefront because I'm being brought into major brand organizations that are seemingly failing on AI at the institutional, organizational level. And there's not a line of these people. In fact, most of them don't wanna talk to me because they don't wanna hear what I got to say, which is slow down. And I'm okay with the ones that don't wanna hear that because I don't really wanna work with them anyway. But now I'm seeing with absolute clarity two things. One is it all goes back to Deming, and all the problems that we're seeing can be classified in Profound Knowledge.   0:25:37.1 Andrew Stotz: Tell us more about that. Because for those people that... There's so many different components. When I got introduced to Deming, it was the 14 Points, 'Out of the Crisis'. And then I left America in 1992, so I wasn't there for 'New Economics'. And it... And I did other stuff for 20 years, 15 years, and then I found New Economics. It's like, "Wow, this is different from that."   0:25:53.1 John Willis: Yeah.   0:26:09.1 Andrew Stotz: Yeah, so between the deadly diseases, the 14 Points, the System of Profound Knowledge, there's so many parts to this.   0:26:15.9 John Willis: No, I've got... Yeah, I definitely got. And I'll tie it right back to the... In 'Deming's Journey to Profound Knowledge', I tell the story of Knight Capital. And Knight Capital is an interesting... It was the second highest high-frequency trading, black box, latency arbitrage on the NYSE. A sysadmin made a configuration error. They lost $450 million and don't quote me on the exact numbers, but like 450 million in 45 minutes. They were arbitraged at billions of dollars. They were literally out of business with a cease and desist from the SEC. And I always tell people, like, that's the last thing you want if you have a business is a cease and desist from the SEC, right? And at that point, we would say things like the consequences are high on how you think about humans and technology. Well, guess what, sports fans? Knight Capital is a drop in the bucket of what we're gonna start seeing with AI. We are going to see these... And there's the Equifax breach, there's all the... We're gonna see non-survival. I mean, Knight Capital didn't survive. Equifax lost five billion market cap in a week and then recovered all of it, right? But I'm saying there's been some major brand recognition problems pre-AI. You're not going to be able to survive these with the power...   [overlapping conversation]   0:27:41.7 Andrew Stotz: Abilities are gonna be shaken out.   0:27:43.6 John Willis: Yeah. I mean, and the brand damage. Brand damage by the escape routes of how... I mean, let me just step and I wanna go back to answer your question. But one of the things that people don't recognize right now is the machine that we have now has infinite knowledge at machine speed, and it's probabilistic. I mean, just add those three things up, that it has the ability of infinite knowledge, something no human could even close to. So it'll make decisions, it will escape, it will figure ways out, it will try a clever way to do something that probably no human would do that could be a disaster. Right? So the consequences are incredibly high. So then now, okay, let's really dust off: it all goes back to Deming's stuff. And so to your question, I think that I would love to see, like, you write a fantasy novel about how Deming came back to the future and was sitting here listening to what was going on, and he'd be screaming. He'd be telling everybody... And this is the thing I'm... I don't scream, I'm too old these days, but like, I literally cut off a CIO real quick in my conversation. I interview a CIO, they think they're interviewing me, I'm interviewing them. And if I'm like, "Yeah, no, you know what? This isn't right." "Well, what do you mean, John? We had..." "No, no, no."   0:29:09.1 John Willis: Because I can see right away that what the CIO or the leadership is... They think AI is a technology transformation. It's an organizational learning transformation. Deming would see this and scream this out loud. And that's the part of the blinding fluorescence that we're missing. We should know this by now, right? And so all these technology shifts, they think they're technology revolutions. They're really... I mean, they go back to the basics. What are the systems are they changing? Are we understanding what variation is? How do people learn? Are people not learning? Are people... A good example is, in every organization that I travel and this has been true for almost every technology transformation, but now it's glaring. I like to simplify. I say there's three groups. Let's take AI, right? Three groups in an organization. And usually, again, I don't care about really start-ups. I do care about startups from an investment standpoint, but I don't care about them from my day job. And so this is a bank or a large retail or insurance company or manufacturing. And so the CIO is like, "We have an AI strategy." And by the way, let me step one more thing, we learned a lot in the DevOps revolution, but DevOps was never a board-level conversation and it was never a Wall Street conversation.   0:30:37.1 John Willis: AI was immediately a board-level conversation. And so the pressure on a C-level, a CEO and a CIO, is "You must do AI yesterday.", right? And so now what's happening is the CIOs are literally doing knee-jerk reactions of like, "We're gonna have... We got 30,000 employees. If we can get all 30,000 employees using AI with a 3x productivity rating, we'll have..." you know, like, oh my God. And then they say, "Make it so." And I call this the strategy versus talent systems gap. And I don't mean how talented they are, I mean understanding what your talent system looks like. And to keep it simple, most talent systems look like this, they have one group that is passive-aggressive. They don't like change. They've been doing the same job forever. In this new world, they don't believe AI works, and they're passive-aggressive about it because they know they can't say they don't want it. When the CIO says, "We must do AI." they have to go, "Oh, we'll get to it next month. Next month. We'll get to it next month." And then you have the second group in the middle. They wanna do the right thing, but they're high enough... As we know, if you work for a bank and you're in a high enough position, if something really goes wrong, you're lucky if you get fired. You could get a fine for two times your salary, or you could actually go to jail.   0:32:02.3 Andrew Stotz: Right.   0:32:02.4 John Willis: Right? So that group is like, "I wanna use this, but you're not clear. There's no clarity from your... You guys all wanna do all this...   [overlapping conversation]   0:32:11.7 Andrew Stotz: There's risks everywhere.   0:32:13.3 John Willis: But we've got the OCC and there's no clarity on FDIC and like, what does this mean?" "Well, I don't know." "Well, then I'm not touching this stuff. And do you have my back?" No. Right? And then the third group is the classic, do now, ask forgiveness later group. And so you could put this all back to driving out fear. Because what happens is you've got a strategy. What is that, it's number eight, I think. I think that's right, but it doesn't matter, right? It could be nine, it could be seven in the 14 Points. So the CIO has said, "This must happen." And then, again, board-level, horizontal, vertical pressures. And then everybody's... And they're not even understanding, do they have the capability? Do people wanna do it? Does the middle group even understand the clarity? And so the first thing that you should be doing is, in the clearest sense is driving out fear. So the do now, ask forgiveness laters are fear that if they don't do it, they won't be the leaders. The middle group is pretty clear what their fear is, you don't give them clarity of what they can and can't do. And the third group is fear of changing, losing their job, "AI is gonna replace me." So that's all a spectrum of understanding fear at the human level. And so maybe that is one of the first things you should address before you actually set a grand strategy. And we know Deming has a lot of thoughts about this, and then we break into sort of like...   0:33:48.6 Andrew Stotz: Okay, so let's stop at that.   0:33:50.1 John Willis: Yeah. Yeah.   0:33:51.6 Andrew Stotz: Fear.   0:33:53.0 John Willis: Yeah.   0:33:54.5 Andrew Stotz: That is something that remains in your belief system that is supported by Deming. Did you have that awareness when you were in... Let's just think about before you came across Deming.   0:34:08.1 John Willis: Oh, oh, yeah.   0:34:08.9 Andrew Stotz: Let's say you were doing all that stuff with Goldratt and all that but then when you came to Deming, did fear come up as, oh, wow, this is obvious, or did you learn that later and you see it now more?   0:34:21.3 John Willis: Andrew, this is why you're good at your job. This is good. This is a great question. No, really good... I love questions where I have to really deep think about it. So I think that I kind of always... It wasn't until DevOps that I understood what failing was about. So just before, like the nanosecond before I'm learning what Deming's saying about PDSA and failing and how the whole structure of learning is, I had this sense, but I don't think I was baptized yet on... And to me, I'll put fear and failure in the same bucket, right? Because it's a very... They are, in a lot of senses, the same thing. But certainly I can put them in the same bucket. So I had a sense, but it wasn't until we started seeing fast fail in DevOps. So DevOps, one of the things with DevOps was shorten the feedback loop. That was one of the core tenets of DevOps. Like, instead of waiting three, four weeks, five weeks, six weeks to deliver some software, or six months, and then by the time you deliver it, you're onto... The whole group that built it is now doing something else, let's just be able to turn a line of code into a delivery now. And that was revolutionary, right? And it's changed the universe. I mean, you don't have the big AI providers today if you didn't have DevOps.   0:35:46.4 John Willis: You would not have Airbnb and Uber and all that if you didn't have DevOps. Right? So that... And that sort of realized that this fast feedback loop is really an interesting thing, right? And the fact that it is telling you fail fast because then you learn fast and then you correct fast. And you... And so right around that time, I'm doing this research on Deming and starting to understand epistemology, the theory of knowledge. And so, again, I don't think... Like I said earlier, I don't think I had the... And vocabulary's too loose of a word. I don't think I had the structural understanding. Like, I didn't know what the word epistemology meant [laughter] before I started learning Deming. So I... So it was really... There were flavors of understanding what learning was, but it was DevOps that literally sort of put it to the front of why this works, how it does. And then I got... Again, a lot of careers is just being lucky, right? I just happened to sort of tap into this Deming thing through meeting Gene, learning about Goldratt, and then having this good friend tap me on the head and say it all goes back to Deming. And so, so and then that point, then it sort of opened up the whole world of epistemology. And it wasn't until I wrote the book where I started realizing it was pragmatism.   0:37:07.2 Andrew Stotz: And did that... Does that fail fast, does that method of accelerating the feedback loop that happened through DevOps as you've explained, does that remove a lot of fear from where people would be...   0:37:19.6 John Willis: Oh yeah.   0:37:19.7 Andrew Stotz: Much more... So that all of a sudden says, "No, no, no, it's okay to fail. We'll see that in a day, in two days, and then we're gonna iterate from that." So, okay, I understand how that kind of reframes fear of failure. But then you now talked also about the idea that it's a big element that you see, everything goes back to Deming. Nowadays you see this fear. How does it connect with how you see fear today in the workplace or in organizations?   0:37:50.6 John Willis: Well, again, I think it's the same thing. I mean, I hear people talk about now that one of the big discussions right now and I always look for the anti-pattern of where the discussions go, right? There's this big discussion about AI slop, right? In fact, last year it was we were all concerned about hallucinations. And I'm not dismissing that, but like, if you know how to run AI and infrastructure harnesses and build ground truth in an organization and you understand how your internal audit works, hallucinations are not, let me repeat this, are not a problem in 2026. They are not a problem. You could make them a problem by not understanding what I just said, but they are not a problem. So today's hallucination frenzy scare is what's called AI slop. And I guarantee you in 2027, it'll be something else. But... And I'm not saying it doesn't exist. It does exist, right? But so people are sort of calibrating, what is the cost... There's this counter-reaction to AI coding, not even assistance, people are now using pure agent coding, right? And the question that I think Deming would ask and maybe if there is some divine proxy of me speaking through Deming or Deming speaking through me is that the question that people are now looking at is, "Slop is so bad, we're creating so much code, should we ease back to the longer cycle for ideation and delivery and that process?" Because it's costing us a lot of money on the implementation side.   0:39:20.8 John Willis: The error, the time it takes to remediate the slop is starting to outweigh. Well, that's just bad organizational behavior and design. But okay, but so now I've had this argument with a major corporation, the CIO the other day, where I was saying you have to create this hourglass effect. For you got to create the funnel and then you got to have the control system that slows things down and speeds it up. And he was saying, "But yeah, the cost of the slop is all this stuff." And I said... What I said is, "Yeah, but what you're missing is..." and this is a company that did really well in DevOps, I worked with them years ago through the DevOps transformation and they understood the fast feedback and I had to re-explain the idea that, yeah, there's a cost to AI slop, but if you're not calibrating that with the cost of non-fast feedback and learning because your fear is this slop is gonna get us back or make you knee-jerk reactions, we're gonna see if we can slow down the ideation, maybe we move too fast. And again, I don't... There are scenarios where that is absolutely true, but that is, first understanding your problem. And your problem isn't slow down the ideation process.  Oh, we should spend more time ideating because what does that do? It goes back to the old school where we're spending way too much time in the ideation. By the time it actually gets implemented, the feedback loop of learning is way too long. So I think you're better off at least measuring... And this is where variation comes into play. Measuring if I decrease the ideation time, do I get more value from the fast feedback because I can understand the problem, I can fix it faster? And again, that was one of the core tenets of DevOps. But I find people now pushing back because they're scared of AI slop and it's costing more remediation time. So again, I think these are multiple ways of thinking about how fear...   [overlapping conversation]   0:41:26.9 Andrew Stotz: Yeah, so besides...   0:41:27.1 John Willis: The fear... And I was just gonna say one... Sorry to cut you off.   0:41:29.0 Andrew Stotz: Yeah, go ahead.   0:41:31.0 John Willis: But one of the biggest problems I've seen over the years is I think the knee-jerk reaction is the symptom of fear. Right? And so I've seen this over and over where a bank gets pawned and so they put out a req for a hundred IT sec professionals in a city where you can best case hire 10 one year. Right? So again, I think that there's that combinatorial fear, knee-jerk reaction.   0:42:00.5 Andrew Stotz: If you were to pick one other area of Deming that really stands the test of time for you, as opposed to a Deming disciple, let's say someone that's trying to implement everything that he's talking about and they're trying to do it in their little manufacturing company or their service business, which I interview those guys.   0:42:09.1 John Willis: Yeah, yeah.   0:42:17.6 Andrew Stotz: But in your case, in some ways it's like you swam through a Deming period of time, absorbed everything and now you're on to other stuff. I'm just kind of interested about what else is lasting?   0:42:35.2 John Willis: Yeah, no...   0:42:35.3 Andrew Stotz: Just one thing.   0:42:35.6 John Willis: And I think maybe, Andrew, maybe part of a problem of the institutionalized Deming conversations is it doesn't always have to have the word Deming in it. In other words, I'm not criticizing you. I'm just saying that I see it more as it's in my DNA. It's part of how I look at things. And so I'll give you a great example. This is pure Deming, but I wouldn't think of it as, "Oh, let me explain this way I want you to evolve in AI because Deming would say..." I don't start that way. But I will tell you that when I came up with this idea and it's called an ideation, AI ideation hackathon. Right? Because everybody's running tech hackathons, AI hackathons. And that's a terrible, terrible, terrible idea. And there's technical debt, you're just making a lot of mistakes there.   0:43:01.7 Andrew Stotz: Right.   0:43:27.8 John Willis: It's a knee-jerk reaction. So the ideation hackathon is sort of something unique. I was doing some consulting for the CMO of a large database company, but got into AI and I helped them, it's called MongoDB, I don't do any work for them anymore but I helped them launch their AI solution. And I did a lot of technical hackathons and I just kept seeing how all the chaos of these technical hackathons, people would build stuff, it would just wind up in GitHub repositories, it would go nowhere. And I finally said, "Why don't we just strip out the technology and focus on the ideation process?" Right? And so that becomes a pure implementation of PDSA. Right? Because in a PDSA, if I was gonna sort of explain it in a Deming way, a hackathon would be a terrible way to implement a PDSA. "So let's build the Sistine Chapel and then let's figure out, let's study the results." Or why don't we start small as an organization? This is why I tell my first... Right now, CIO asks me, "Okay, John..." and usually the conversation ends at this, "What would be your 30-day, 90-day plan, 180-day plan?"   0:44:41.0 John Willis: I'm like, "Not to have one." Yeah, but then I sort of, I talk about two ways to deal with where they're at. And I say that one is something I've done over years, was a qualitative. I do these large where I interview 300, 400 people and I use true qualitative analysis approach to interviewing people, build categories, and structurally design what the place looks like. Right? And that's very... But it's very expensive and it takes... Expensive not in the money, but the time. The new sort of one that CIOs, at least a small percentage of bite onto is, "Why don't we run some ideation hackathons?" And here's the value, you're not writing any code. You're letting people focus on learning how to ideate. Because remember I said earlier, AI is not a technology transformation, it's an organizational learning change. So let's focus on the organizational learning structures without giving any of the technology or the code. But do the hackathon, and the readouts are what you would have built minus the specific tools. And it's glorious because you actually you get to see all the stuff without expending tokens. You don't build the risks. Because anybody who tells you they can sandbox experiments in AI is lying, absolute lying. If anybody's followed the recent Open AI Hugging Face one, it was the most insane escape.   0:46:10.9 John Willis: So, and then the other idea is I don't want 30 of my executive administrators all picking their own tools and all trying to solve all their C-level bosses' problems. And by the way, there's the whole security exposure is, I've done ideation hackathons where an EA says, "I got this idea. I wanna take my P&L or my profit or whatever of some proprietary information on a spreadsheet and throw it into Claude and have Claude..." I'm like, "Yeah, no, no, no, no. Let me explain how that goes into Claude." It literally, it traverses through a bunch of internal structures that leave stuff laying around. And by the way, even though they say they don't train on your data, they have your data. Like, you don't want that data in there. So the ideation hackathon, I think, is a really good... And so I think the main point to that is, although I don't walk in the door and I think one of the... Again, your listeners, I'm like attacking your listeners basically but I think one of our problems is, we try to build our, some people try to build their skill set around like, "I'm a Deming expert. I'm gonna teach you how to do Deming and everything's gonna be great because of Deming." as opposed to let's just make the water Deming, the water, the fabric of what we do. And every once in a while it does make sense to be able to say, "Hey, you know that..." And I won't go back and say I won't lead and say, "Well, Deming tells us..." because I'm not gonna get the gig if I just go too much on Deming anyway. But I will say at some point, I'll say, "Here's the deal. We've got over 100 years of management knowledge on how to do the right things. Let's pay attention to those things." Right? And that's the Deming, that's the Shewhart, that's the Ackoff, it's the Ashby, it's the... We can go down the list, right? Senge.   0:48:06.2 Andrew Stotz: One of the things I was thinking about a while ago was, when Dr. Deming wrote 'Out of the Crisis', he was telling us that we were in a crisis and that we needed to think a new level of thinking. Did it work? Are we out of the crisis? Did people take on board what he taught? Where are we now? That was 1986.   0:48:30.7 John Willis: Yeah, I know, I know.   0:48:31.7 Andrew Stotz: On the one side you can say America's brought incredible amount of innovation and businesses are huge and other countries and other regions struggle to catch up with America. So on the one hand, you could say materially it appears like we're there. But on the other hand, when you look at the way things are managed, you could argue, yeah, not much has changed.   0:48:56.7 John Willis: It's a tough one. It's a tough, I mean, let's just face it, large-scale organizations of high consequences are so full of bureaucracy. Humans interacting at that scale is probably the hardest organizational problem there is, right? You can study anthropology for the next 40 or 50 years and still not have a good clue of how to. And people do, right? So, yeah, it's hard. And why things work, why they go through the... I mean, I talk about the Peterson at Ford, right? And then Ford, turns out there were a lot of other... There are these other conflicting things that happen, industry changes, financial models change. Why did Ford have this incredible success when Peterson called Deming? And then some number of years later, they're back to the old ways, right? We got General Motors, we got all that. I will say this, and I hadn't really thought about this until you asked the question. One of the things I did focus pretty heavy on is Deming's influence on Toyota. And now there's a lot of debate and this is where people get pretty mean with me. I mean, Dr. Spear, I love Dr. Spear. He wrote 'High Velocity Edge' and he's a genius. He was MIT Sloan. And every time I'd see him, "Well, you know, John, Deming and that Six Sigma stuff never worked." And I'm like, "Alright, first off, he didn't do Six Sigma. Second off..."   0:50:21.6 John Willis: And then he told me one time, he said that Deming had no influence on Toyota. I'm like, "Yeah, that's just not blatantly untrue. I'm sorry, you're a PhD genius, I'm not. You're wrong." And so I've been hitting him... Over the years, I hit him with a lot of evidence of Deming's influence on Toyota. And it even goes back to Denco Densco and some of the same. But here's the thing, right? I... There's a woman called Katie Anderson. She's got a book, Learning to... 'Leading to Learn, Learning to Lead', where she met a guy who spent four decades at Toyota, this Dr. Yoshino, and she interviewed and wrote a book about his career. She runs a Japan study trip. I did a Japan study trip a couple of years ago and I got to meet him. And I... He hired at Toyota in 1966. He worked alongside Ohno, Shingo. He was there. He was a junior guy, but he was the guy they were yelling at, "Do this, do that, do this." right? So he was there.   0:51:23.9 John Willis: I told him, I said, "There are people that believe in the US that Deming had no influence on Toyota." He could not believe that that question even could come up. And he told me, he said, "John...", he doesn't really speak good English, we had a translator, he said, "Let me tell you what Deming taught us. He taught us to understand data." And at first I didn't grok that, but then I started thinking about variation. And although there's a lot of people that say that that didn't carry through too, but if I look at what Agile, Lean, and ultimately become DevOps, I in that book trace it pretty strongly back to Deming's influence on Toyota. And you can't deny Lean is not the core of Agile Lean, today's Lean, right? Toyota Production Systems, to be clear. So then I would say that the lasting impact of Deming is not what happened in the '80s when the Americans started understanding what he did, because maybe that translation, maybe it had to be... I asked Doris Quinn this and she said, "Oh, that's interesting." Because I said this, I said, "Could it be that Japan influenced Deming as much as he influenced Japan?" And I think it did. And I think the point was they were...   0:52:45.6 Andrew Stotz: It was a love affair.   0:52:46.3 John Willis: And yeah, and they were more malleable to his messaging.   0:52:50.3 Andrew Stotz: Well, they were more malleable because of their condition, but they also were more susceptible because of the structure of the society.   0:53:01.6 John Willis: Exactly. Yeah, but even the sort of community structure. I'll tell you another quick story on that study trip where we visited an elementary school. And in the elementary school, they had no janitors. Every sort of public school is like this, right? They have no janitors. And the kids, they literally clean. At about 2 o'clock, a bell goes off and some kids rotate and they do the bathrooms, some people... Imagine in an American school, some ritzy parents, "My son cleaned the bathroom?" It'd be on CNN. And they rotated serving food.   0:53:20.7 Andrew Stotz: Child slave labor.   0:53:39.7 John Willis: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then we got to interview a couple of them and they understood Kaizen and all. So me, I start thinking about like, oh my God, this is our... Western culture is so broken because we basically teach everything that's antithetical to that. They get out of college and then maybe they get lucky and get into an Agile, Lean-like structure and we have to break it all down, where their kids come out completely in that sort of community. And we went to a lot of tier-one distributors. You could see the understanding of community and the power of it. And so what I'm saying is, what Deming was giving them saturated to have such an impact on TPS, and it's unquestionable the impact TPS has had on Lean and Agile and DevOps. And if you follow my thread, Lean, Agile, and DevOps have certainly impacted... You don't have places like Google for good or bad, Facebook for good or bad, Uber, because they could never scale...   0:54:40.0 Andrew Stotz: Yeah.   0:54:40.1 John Willis: Without that. So again, I think, I really hadn't thought about this until you asked the question, is I think actually the Deming 1980s renaissance of Deming was a... Seemed like a bubble in retrospect, unfortunately. But actually indirectly, he's had more... And there's a good part of the book that tries to cover that. I do the "What would Deming do?" after he died, if he was alive and all the stuff that happened there.   0:55:06.3 Andrew Stotz: Yeah, I mean, definitely DevOps. And then Eric... What was his... The Lean Startup one?   0:55:14.0 John Willis: Eric Ries. Yeah, Eric Ries. Yeah.   0:55:17.3 Andrew Stotz: That also... Those two really probably did more to promote PDSA and that aspect.   0:55:23.4 John Willis: Yeah, that's right. Oh yeah, scientific method. There is a copy, and I cannot find it anywhere, there is a copy of Eric, one of Eric Ries' Lean Startup books that does attribute to Deming, and I cannot find it.   0:55:36.5 Andrew Stotz: It does or does not?   0:55:38.7 John Willis: Does. Does. He's got this thing about the 75th birthday or something. Do you have it? Because I can't find the copy, at some point I read a copy where he does a tribute to Deming.   0:55:50.0 Andrew Stotz: Yeah, I think there's some...   0:55:53.0 John Willis: And then...   0:55:53.1 Andrew Stotz: I have the book and I think there is some reference in the book.   0:55:57.5 John Willis: Yeah, there was one, was like... It was like... I don't know if it was the 70th year, 75th year, and he... So yeah, no, I mean that directly. Lean Startup is literally... Yeah, so yeah.   0:56:10.9 Andrew Stotz: And if we think about people that are listening to this podcast, the people that I really want to listen to this podcast and I really want to get something out of the podcast is people that just don't know Deming. They've never heard of it, but they've stumbled upon it. One of the Deming community said, "Hey, you should listen to this podcast because you'll learn about Deming." And maybe they listen to a couple of episodes and it's a bit overwhelming when they hear someone talking about a lot of detail about this or that. Maybe they bought 'Out of the Crisis' and they got a chapter or two into it and they thought, yeah, that's also a bit overwhelming. What would be your message to that person who's listening right now to say, here's the reason why you shouldn't abandon it because of XYZ or whatever that message is that you've got about what they need to know about Deming?   0:57:01.4 John Willis: Yeah. I mean, I will say this, learning is hard. Change is hard, right? I mean, it sounds cliché, but, yeah, I think all of us who came into Deming, I didn't... When I read, we talked about this, I read 'Out of the Crisis', I was like, I don't know what's going on here. One of the worst things I can advise you to, I hate to say this, and this is probably anti-Deming Institute, is start off by reading his two books. You're better off going out to podcasts like this or other stories. I found that healthcare was chock-full of great stories, particularly about Profound Knowledge, of great examples. And then I went back and read the book and then like, oh my God, this is, now I get it, right? So I think a lot of things that we sort of encounter, a lot of them have... The things that are really valuable have this sort of facing counter-intuitiveness nature to them, and you have to sort of work at that.   0:57:55.9 Andrew Stotz: Yeah.   0:57:56.9 John Willis: And so Deming is hard. I mean, you... If you wanna understand Deming, I would say most people are not gonna get it on the snap. And what I would say to them is, it's worth figuring out what are the parts that he says and he did and his philosophy that could become part of your DNA, 'cause that I don't think anybody disagrees on. And then... And one other sort of short story. And I love Bill Bellows and I would say listen to all his podcasts. He's an amazing guy and just incredibly insightful on a lot of, I didn't really understand Taguchi, but so I did some podcasts with him. But I remember, and I'm not calling anybody out, but he runs the In2:InThinking Group and I've been to a couple of those. And I remember one time we were sitting there and we were having a conversation around sort of a roundtable and somebody asked, as I was talking about a company, they said, "Are they a Deming company?" I'm like, yeah. And I couldn't actually get through the room that, no. Nobody's a Deming company. Like, what is a Deming company? That's the wrong question. So again, back to, you got to be careful about how you think about Deming as using his philosophy to help organizations, because the more you focus on that it is a "Deming philosophy" as opposed to these are the right ways to think about the problems, you fall into this trap of maybe getting lost. Well, that Deming thing worked for about a year or two years and now it doesn't work. Well, if you don't call it a Deming thing, then what were the things that stuck and what are the things that didn't?   0:59:42.5 Andrew Stotz: Yeah. I just wanna remind the listeners and the viewers out there, just go to Amazon and find 'Deming's Journey to Profound Knowledge'. For me, I listened to it as an Audible book, which was fun because I enjoyed the stories and it just reminded me to go back and listen again. And also the additional stories, which I actually hadn't bought until, I had been wanting to buy it, but I didn't. So while you were talking, I got that on Kindle. So that's gonna be my fun.   1:00:13.9 John Willis: Those are great stories. There's a story about Gene Cernan. He was the last guy to land, be on the moon. And as you go through the book, it's really interesting. I did like seven or eight... So I was in no rush to publish the Deming book. I was in a rush to do the AI book. So I would literally get to the third rev, the fourth rev, and every time I'd have more new friends point things out. And by the time I got to like eight revs and I'm like, okay, it's probably time to put this book out. But what happens is as you go with the editor, they just start carving things down. And a good editor makes the strong point, like my 'Devil Wears Prada'. But again, there were so many great stories, like the Gene Cernan one is the last guy to be on the moon, but there was a story about Tracy's Rock and it's just a fabulous story, but it didn't have any place in Deming's Journey of Profound Knowledge. It was just an add-on that sort of took you off course. But now, in a standalone book, it's a great story. So there's a ton of those. The guy who created Piggly Wiggly was this genius. Like, again, it didn't really fit in there. But as a standalone story and I even do a little bit of, like, this would have been in chapter 15, so if you read both, you get a sense. And the worst thing I can tell you, though, is I had one person, I was at a conference I was laying the book, the Profound Stories book was laying around, and I guess I came back, he was at a booth, and he read it, and he goes, "John, can I talk to you about your book?" I'm like, "What?" He goes, "I don't know." I'm like, "Oh, dude, you can't read that book without reading 'Deming's Journey to Profound Knowledge'. It would be a terrible book if you didn't know what the premise was for where it came from." So, yeah.   1:01:59.7 Andrew Stotz: So in wrapping up, what would you like to leave the audience with from this discussion and from your journey into the teachings of Dr. Deming?   1:02:11.3 John Willis: Yeah, I think you have to start thinking about... And again, I know it sounds like I'm trying to sell the book and you're doing a better job than I am anyway but the last third of 'Deming's Journey to Profound Knowledge' was what would Deming do had he survived another 20 years? Right? And probably nothing because he was pretty old and not healthy. But the... So, I mean, question then is, as we think about organizational behavior, what are the core things? And I think Profound Knowledge is a great way. I, again I... Again, I don't walk in and say, "Oh, we're gonna... CIO, we're gonna solve this problem by applying the four elements of Profound Knowledge." That's not how I start that conversation. But I'm certainly thinking about systems thinking because that's first and forefront. Like, how are you thinking about... Like one company recently I was with, they got... Some of the big AI providers are giving well-branded companies all-you-can-eat AI. Like OpenAI is saying, "Hey, you know..." That's a terrible idea, terrible, terrible. Because now you're just building technical debt up the gazoo, right? So again, to be able to see the forest behind the trees, what's the systems thinking effect of that? How are you learning? What's the epistemology, the theory of knowledge behind that?   1:03:39.2 John Willis: Are you applying... In the book, I tried to codify my understanding of, like, the theory of knowledge is, how do we know what we think we know? The variation is, how can we see what we think we know? The psychology is, what are the... Let's take a second and what are the blind spots? And then I think of it as a feedback loop is, are we continually like if you listen to Bill Bellows, he does a great job of sort of explaining systems thinking through the sort of vehicle of Taguchi or Ackoff but are we just continually looping through that process as, "Let's take a bigger chunk, let's take a bigger chunk, let's take a bigger chunk"? So Profound Knowledge, not so much that you have to walk in and be an expert on 'Deming's Journey to Profound Knowledge', or more specifically, The System of Profound Knowledge. The idea is, can you use those... And the reason I fell in with 'The System of Profound Knowledge', why that was what hit my core, because I will say, out of my five decades of doing all this crazy stuff in technology, I can't think... I mean, there's a lot of cool frameworks that I use as auxiliary, and frameworks I'm using loosely but The System of Profound Knowledge is the one framework that to me beats all other frameworks because it covers epistemology, it covers understanding statistical analysis or analytical statistics. Right? Which is very important. It brings in the biases, the... All the sort of things about how people think, blind spots, and then it throws together the wrapper of appreciation of a system, so...   1:05:23.2 Andrew Stotz: Yeah. Well, John, on behalf of everyone at the Deming Institute, now you see your picture on the cover.   [laughter]   1:05:32.2 John Willis: There we go, man.   1:05:33.7 Andrew Stotz: I wanna thank you. It's a great discussion and it's long overdue.   1:05:37.7 John Willis: Sure.   1:05:37.9 Andrew Stotz: And for listeners, remember to go to deming.org and jump into DemingNext to continue your journey. This is your host, Andrew Stotz, and I'll leave you with one of my favorite quotes from Dr. Deming, which is, "People are entitled to joy in work."   1:05:42.4 John Willis: I love that you end with that.   

In Washington, Republican Sen. Jon Husted breaks with President Donald Trump and calls for a quick end to the Iran War, citing high gas prices.State lawmakers return to Columbus this week to vote on pausing Ohio's gas tax.Republicans want to hurry up legislation, but will Democrats go along? And where will the $700 million dollars come from to pay for it?As the November election nears, both Republican and Democratic candidates zero in on voters' economic concerns.A court rules that Ohio can require proof of citizenship when registering to vote at the Bureau of Motor Vehicles.We're discussing all of these topics on this week's Reporter Roundtable.Guests:Andrew Tobias, state government and politics reporter, Signal OhioLaura Hancock, politics and policy reporter, Cleveland.comMorgan Trau, statehouse reporter, WEWS News Five Cleveland

USA’s arbejdsmarked bliver kaldt rygraden i den amerikanske økonomi – og når Bureau of Labor Statistics offentliggør sin månedlige jobrapport, har investorer, økonomer og centralbanker blikket stift rettet mod USA. Fordi den indeholder ”kongetallet”, som viser antallet af nye jobs uden for landbruget. Og selvom det måske lyder som tør beskæftigelsesstatistik, er det en af de vigtigste temperaturmålinger på verdens største økonomi. Spørgsmålet er, om USA’s arbejdsmarked er stærkere eller svagere end ventet, og kongetallet er blot ét af en stribe nøgletal, som i denne uge risikerer at rykke i både aktie- og obligationsmarkedet, bemærker Otto Friedrichsen, viceinvesteringsdirektør i Formuepleje, i ”Det, der tæller”. Her kommer vi også til at tale om, hvorvidt man er begyndt at se små tegn på, at kunstig intelligens er i gang med at omvælte det amerikanske arbejdsmarked og reelt har medført fyringer i virksomhederne. Gæst: Otto Friedrichsen, viceinvesteringsdirektør i Formuepleje Vært: Daniel Skinbjerg, journalist på Finans Redigering: Daniel SkinbjergSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

1857 BUSHFIREUnpredictable Weather Brings Flash DroughtsJeremy Zakis joins John Batchelor to discuss the erratic weather patterns of a Godzilla El Niño year. Australia's Bureau of Meteorology has introduced the term "flash droughts" to describe rapid transitions from intense rainfall to extreme heat and desert winds exceeding 110 degrees Fahrenheit. Because heavy rain cannot soak into the ground quickly enough, intense evaporation triggers sudden drought conditions. Meanwhile, in the Pacific Ocean, active storms include Hurricane Nolo moving away from Hawaii and Category 4 Hurricane Polo approaching Baja California, highlighting the broader unpredictable global atmospheric impacts driven by unusually warm sea surface temperatures. (1)

Sarah Van Giezen of the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics offers a fascinating behind-the-scenes look at how inflation is measured. She explains why secondhand apparel and thrifting were added to the Consumer Price Index in early 2025, how data collectors gather prices from stores across the country, and the rigorous multi-step review process that ensures accuracy before each monthly CPI release.

Presented by Tiffany Sommerfeld, Director of Academic Advising & Counseling, Belton Independent School District (TX); Shannon Toney, Bureau of Justice Assistance (BJA) Stop School Violence Grant Coordinator, Billings Public Schools (MT); and Dr. Gregory Hudnall, Experienced Educator, Founder, Hope SquadThis edWeb podcast is sponsored by Hope Squad.The webinar recording can be accessed here.Every district is working to build a stronger Multi-Tiered System of Supports. But MTSS is only as strong as what happens between the tiers. This edWeb podcast looks at how peer-led prevention is enabling districts to strengthen MTSS from the inside by identifying students earlier, connecting them to help faster, and shifting school culture so support reaches every student.Dr. Gregory Hudnall, Founder of Hope Squad, joins district leaders Tiffany Sommerfeld, Director of Academic Advising & Counseling at Belton Independent School District (TX), and Shannon Toney, BJA Stop School Violence Grant Coordinator at Billings Public Schools (MT), to discuss how a peer-nomination model puts trained students and accountable adults inside every level of MTSS, from universal Tier 1 prevention to more targeted support, and how that structure changes the culture of a school over time.Listeners hear directly from two districts that have built peer-led prevention into their MTSS frameworks, including what changed and what it took to get there. They leave with a clearer picture of how peer leadership strengthens tiered support systems in practice and how to make the case for it within their own district.This edWeb podcast is designed for elementary through high school district and school leaders evaluating how to strengthen and close gaps within their district's MTSS strategy.Learn more about viewing live edWeb presentations and on-demand recordings, earning CE certificates, and using accessibility features.

The Bureau Valley and Amboy co-op football teams won, plus more results in Friday's NewsTribune/BCR roundup.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/friday-night-drive--3534096/support.This episode includes AI-generated content.

Former FBI intelligence analyst John Petrozzelli, host of the Done With Dating podcast, shares advice on dating after divorce, co-parenting, and what the Boston Marathon bombing investigation taught him about people. Reena Friedman Watts and Big Daddy Wayne Friedman sit down with John to talk about life after the Bureau, fatherhood, and dating as a divorced parent. John worked on high-profile cases, including the Boston Marathon bombing investigation, and explains how that work shaped the way he reads people and relationships. He also talks about raising kids while working in law enforcement, why honesty guided his parenting, and why co-parenting after divorce has to put the kids first. Then the conversation turns to dating today, especially for single parents. John explains how he uses his investigative skills to match people on Done With Dating and why he tells listeners to do the inner work before looking for a partner. Listen if you're dating after divorce, curious about a career in law enforcement, or looking for honest perspective on parenting and relationships. What You'll Learn How John went from FBI intelligence analyst to matchmaker What the Boston Marathon bombing investigation taught him about human behavior How to balance a demanding career with being a dad Why co-parenting works best when the kids come first How to approach dating after divorce Why self-reflection has to come before finding a partner How to build trust and rapport in a new relationship Timestamps 00:00 – Meet John Petrozzelli, former FBI intelligence analyst 05:15 – Balancing an FBI career with fatherhood 15:30 – Lessons from the Boston Marathon bombing case 25:00 – Why dating as a parent is different 35:45 – Using investigative skills in matchmaking 45:00 – Why self-reflection comes before love Quotes from John "Truth and honesty are the cornerstones of everything I do, both in my career and as a father." "I believe in love, and I want others to have hope that their person is out there waiting for them." About John Petrozzelli John Petrozzelli is a former FBI intelligence analyst and the host of the Done With Dating podcast. He combines his investigative background with his understanding of human behavior to help people find lasting relationships. Connect with John: donewithdating.co  About Better Call Daddy Better Call Daddy is hosted by Reena Friedman Watts, with Big Daddy Wayne Friedman Connect with Reena: bettercalldaddy.com | LinkedIn | Instagram: @reenafriedmanwatts Keywords: ex-FBI analyst, dating after divorce, dating as a single parent, co-parenting advice, John Petrozzelli, Boston Marathon bombing investigation, matchmaking podcast, Done With Dating, Better Call Daddy, Reena Friedman Watts, Big Daddy Wayne Friedman

A new NOVA documentary is highlighting Indigenous science and knowledge developed over thousands of years. “Knowledge Keepers” explores how Native communities have used observation, experimentation, and relationships with the natural world to sustain their people. The film features communities across North America and the knowledge they are working to carry forward. For filmmaker Daniel Golding, a citizen of the Fort Yuma Quechan Indian Tribe, the project begins by reconsidering what we call science. “I think, a lot of times we think of what science is, is from a Western perspective, but I think, if you really understand, deconstruct it and understand how Indigenous people have held this knowledge of this land, and how to live on it, work with it, and develop it, you know, they’ve developed their own sort of form of science that is a little bit different from Western science.” One of the people featured in the film is Roberto Nutlouis, executive director of Nihikeya, a Diné organization working to restore traditional ecological and cultural practices on the Navajo Nation. Nutlouis says Indigenous knowledge can offer solutions to challenges communities face today. “I think for me, both for our own community, as well as the larger audience, is to demonstrate that Indigenous knowledge is not primitive, is not backward, that it holds so much potential solutions for the issues of our times.” For Nutlouis, preserving that knowledge also means refusing to treat culture as something that exists only in history. “We have to put it into the present tense, and in order to put it into the present tense, there has to be action behind it. There has to be some relevancy, applied nature to it.” The documentary also explores Indigenous knowledge through Arctic navigation, traditional home construction, and coastal aquaculture. Golding says making the film changed the way he looks at his own relationship with the environment. And he hopes viewers reconsider what Indigenous knowledge can teach them about the places where they live. “Well, I think what I’ve been preaching now after I completed this is just, you know, go outside and take a look at your environment. See how you can work with it. See what kind of change you can make to better your place.” “Knowledge Keepers” was produced by Hokan Media in association with Vision Maker Media for NOVA. It premieres September 23 on PBS stations and streaming. A new federal audit finds staffing shortages and case backlogs have hindered the Bureau of Indian Affairs’ efforts to investigate missing and murdered Indigenous people. The U.S. Interior Department’s Inspector General found BIA’s Missing and Murdered Unit had 83 open cases and nearly 400 referrals awaiting review as of November 2024. The Associated Press reports nearly half of the unit’s positions were still vacant last year. Sarah Deer, a University of Kansas law professor, says the problems compound the grief families already face. “A system designed as a response to that history cannot ask families to keep waiting.” BIA says it has taken steps to improve case processing and victim services following the audit. Get National Native News delivered to your inbox daily. Sign up for our daily newsletter today. Download our NV1 Android or iOs App for breaking news alerts. Check out today’s Native America Calling episode Thursday, September 24, 2026 — AI threat goes beyond just misuse of data

Senate Committee on Indian Affairs Legislative Hearing to receive testimony on S. 1750, S. 3859, S. 4053, & H.R. 226 Date: September 23, 2026 Time: 2:30 PM Location: Dirksen Room: 628 Agenda: Legislative Hearing to receive testimony on several bills: S. 1750 – Poarch Band of Creek Indians Parity Act S. 3859 – A bill to amend the Catawba Indian Tribe of South Carolina Land Claims Settlement Act of 1993 with respect to future membership in the Catawba Indian Nation (L S. 4053 – A bill to take certain land in the State of California into trust for the benefit of the Pechanga Band of Indians, and for other purposes H.R. 226 – Eastern Band of Cherokee Historic Lands Reacquisition Act More on Indianz.Com: https://indianz.com/News/2026/09/23/senate-committee-on-indian-affairs-holds-business-meeting-and-legislative-hearing/

durée : 00:06:11 - La grande matinale - Le nouveau numéro de Society explore la tendance de l'animal de compagnie au bureau. L'affaire Thélyson Orélien rebondit avec de nouveaux signalements de plagiat au Canada. - équipe : Marc Voinchet Vous aimez ce podcast ? Pour écouter tous les épisodes sans limite, rendez-vous sur Radio France

Super El Niño Climate VolatilityJeremy Zakis discusses the unprecedented volatility surrounding the Super El Niño in the Pacific Ocean. Australia's Bureau of Meteorology faces forecasting challenges as unseasonably mild spring weather replaces expected heatwaves, caused by thermal energy shifting eastward to fuel Category 5 Hurricane Polo near Mexico. Zakis details Australia's severe bushfire threat cycle: sudden wet periods fuel heavy undergrowth, which rapidly dries out during subsequent heat spells, creating vast amounts of tinder vulnerable to destructive lightning-ignited fires. (6)

ShinyHunters claims to have breached FBI systems. CLOSEDQUORUM malware delegates command-and-control decisions to commercial LLMs. An IT error erases 11 years of hospital maternity data. F5 patches a critical BIG-IP APM zero-day. Ransomware activity remains high. Microsoft disrupts the EvilTokens cybercrime platform. Researchers turn Claude Code's normal workflow against itself. Pundits propose an AI Assurance Compact. A Ryuk ransomware gang member gets two years prison time. Our guest is Jen Sovada, General Manager of Public Sector at Claroty, on Project Watershed 250 and the challenges facing U.S. water utilities. Meta's Muse mettles with messages. Remember to leave us a 5-star rating and review in your favorite podcast app. Miss an episode? Sign-up for our daily intelligence roundup, Daily Briefing, and you'll never miss a beat. And be sure to follow CyberWire Daily on LinkedIn. CyberWire Guest Today we are joined by Jen Sovada, General Manager, Public Sector at Claroty, on what Project Watershed 250 can reveal about the cybersecurity challenges facing U.S. water utilities. Selected Reading ‘We Hacked the FBI:' Hackers Say They Have Data on All FBI Employees (404 Media) The Closed Quorum: Inside the first reported autonomous AI C2 implant (Cisco Talos) IT mistake erases 11 years of viewing history for hospitals' maternity records (Ars Technica) F5 patches BIG-IP APM zero-day flaw exploited in RCE attacks (Bleeping Computer) UK launches its first 'space squadron' to counter hostile threats (The National) Ransomware Attacks Reach Record High for 2026 (Infosecurity Magazine) Disrupting EvilTokens: The AI Chatbot Built for Cybercrime (Microsoft On the Issues) Fable to Haiku: How a Malicious Repo Tricked Claude Code Into Running Malware (Straiker) The President has called for AI leadership. Here's the mission (CyberScoop) Ryuk ransomware member sentenced to 24 months in prison (Bleeping Computer) Meta's New Muse AI Agent Read My Private Messages. I Never Asked It To (Inc.) Share your feedback. What do you think about CyberWire Daily? Please take a few minutes to share your thoughts with us by completing our brief listener survey. Thank you for helping us continue to improve our show. Want to hear your company in the show? N2K CyberWire helps you reach the industry's most influential leaders and operators, while building visibility, authority, and connectivity across the cybersecurity community. Learn more at sponsor.thecyberwire.com. The CyberWire is a production of N2K Networks, your source for strategic workforce intelligence. © N2K Networks, Inc. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week on Two Parents & A Podcast, happy Wednesday!! We open with the question every woman has wondered: do men ACTUALLY notice makeup? Harrison's honest answer confirmed what we suspected (the answer being "no") hahaha. We get into the levels of makeup (1, 2 and 3.. and how "you're so beautiful without makeup" is usually said to a level 1), what the "right" age is for kids to start wearing it, and the getting-ready gap: his entire routine is teeth and deodorant, hers is a production with a budget. Next up, a weaning update from Alex: the fog is lifting!! Things that felt really big are starting to feel manageable again, and for anyone in it right now: they say the hormone transition can affect you for 1 to 3 weeks. The only way out is through, and it DOES get better. (Oh and Harrison's excited he can not eat my food) We also have a debate we need your help settling: what causes a kid to be left-handed?! Harrison is going full speculator mode (his smudge theory involves ink, school desks, and a prediction that computers will create MORE lefties), and we need every left-handed listener to sound off in the comments. Plus a quick pause for panel outfit planning.. (come see us at Dear Media by Day THIS Saturday!!) Over in the internet section: a PSA that the algorithm cannot tell your hate comments from your love comments (if you don't care, don't engage!!), Secret Lives of Mormon Wives is back for Season 5, and Jules' DWTS corner: the pregnant pro, a prediction we're putting on the record, and her rec for making any reality show better: a "watch party" group chat. Plus the iced coffee at an interview saga continues.. the recruiters found Alex's TikTok and they are MAD. And Harrison's corner: the best performing stock in the S&P 500 over the last 45 years will genuinely surprise you (hint: "something with jugs" lol), and the New York Times covered a trend we can't stop thinking about: parents are hiring "concierge moms" to check on their college kids?! Errands, energy drinks, X-ray rides.. we get into whether this is genius or a step too far. And a giveback to close: comment your favorite LOCAL coffee shop (on YouTube or Spotify) and we're randomly giving one of you a $100 gift card to that exact spot (HOT COFFEE ONLY lol)!! Finally, the sweetest thing we learned this week: matching with your toddler isn't just cute, it's a visual cue that you're on a TEAM. Hope everyone is having a great week :-) LOVE YOU GUYS! Timestamps:  00:00:00 Welcome back to Two Parents & A Podcast! 00:00:38 Do men ACTUALLY notice if a woman is wearing make up?! 00:01:58 What's the “right” age for kids to start wearing make up?! 00:03:39 How men get ready vs. how women get ready 00:06:30 Update on weaning from breastfeeding 00:09:46 This is NOT an ad for Kevin's Natural Foods 00:12:41 What causes some people to be left-handed?! 00:18:07 Quick pause for panel outfit planning (come see us at Dear Media by Day Saturday!!) 00:20:38 PSA: the algorithm can't tell hate comments from love comments 00:21:40 What we're watching: Secret Lives of Mormon Wives Season 5  00:23:48 Jules' DWTS corner: Pregnant ‘Dancing With the Stars' Pro Witney Carson + Reality TV group chats  00:32:52 Iced coffee at an interview cont… 00:47:01 The best performing stock in the S&P 500 will surprise you 00:51:16 $100 COFFEE SHOP GIVEBACK: comment your favorite LOCAL spot!! 00:52:42 Parents are hiring "concierge moms" for their college kids?! 00:55:47 Matching with your toddler is more than just cute  00:58:29 LOVE YOU GUYS! #twoparentsandapod -------------------------------------------------------------- Sources: *The Highest-Returning Stock of the Last 45 Years Is Home Depot - WSJ: https://www.wsj.com/business/retail/home-depot-acquired-podcast-stock-returns-cbdf037f *Worried About Your College Kid? Now You Can Hire a Local Mom - NYT: https://www.nytimes.com/2026/09/13/well/college-concierge-mom.html *Unemployment Rates - U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics: https://www.bls.gov/  -------------------------------------------------------------- Thank you to our sponsors this week: *Honest: Shop Honest on Amazon, Walmart and Target. *Zenni: Use code PODCAST15 for fifteen percent off your first order at https://www.bit.ly/41onx2O #Zennipartner *SKIMS: Shop SKIMS Cotton, and all of my favorite pieces at http://www.skims.com/twoparents -------------------------------------------------------------- Listen to the pod on YouTube/Spotify/Apple: https://www.youtube.com/@twoparentsandapod https://open.spotify.com/show/7BxuZnHmNzOX9MdnzyU4bD?si=5e715ebaf9014fac https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/two-parents-a-podcast/id1737442386 -------------------------------------------------------------- Follow Two Parents & A Podcast: Instagram | https://www.instagram.com/twoparentsandapod TikTok | https://www.tiktok.com/@twoparentsandapod Follow Alex Fugman: Instagram | https://www.instagram.com/alexfugman TikTok | https://www.tiktok.com/@justalexfugman Follow Harrison Fugman: Instagram | https://www.instagram.com/harrisonfugman TikTok | https://www.tiktok.com/@harrisonfugman Learn more about your ad choices. 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More than 900 bison owned by American Prairie are at the center of a national debate. The Bureau of Land Management wants them off of federal grazing allotments in northeast Montana. A judge says they can stay temporarily. MTPR's Caroline Weiss sat down with Montana PBS reporter Matt Standal to learn more.

Retired FBI agent and criminal profiler Candice DeLong explores the disturbing case of Lindsay Clancy, the Duxbury, Massachusetts labor and delivery nurse who strangled her three young children: five-year-old Cora, three-year-old Dawson, and eight-month-old Callan, before attempting to take her own life. On the surface, January 24th, 2023 looked like an ordinary Tuesday: a doctor's appointment, kids playing in the snow, a family running errands. Twenty-five minutes later, it was a crime scene. In the months before that night, Lindsay's family watched her unravel under a rapidly worsening psychiatric condition, even as she kept seeking help and cycling through new prescriptions. Drawing on her own decade as a psychiatric nurse before the Bureau, Candice examines the excruciating question at the center of the case, whether Lindsay Clancy is a criminal or a woman consumed by severe postpartum mental illness; and why, twenty-five years after Andrea Yates, America is still struggling to tell the difference.Audible subscribers can listen to all episodes of Killer Psyche ad-free right now. Join Audible today by downloading the Audible app.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

ATF Special Agent and K9 handler David McMullen testified about the search outside the Flynn home after Ashley Flynn was killed. McMullen said he and K9 Hilton thoroughly searched around the house and along the nearby wood line, and Hilton did not alert in any of the areas they checked outside. The testimony matters because prosecutors allege Caleb Flynn staged Ashley's death to resemble a home-invasion burglary, while the defense maintains an intruder killed her. McMullen's testimony gives jurors one more piece of the search effort, but an absence of a K9 alert does not by itself establish who was or was not at the property. Bureau of Criminal Investigations DNA specialist Lindsay Koennig also testified about the forensic testing inside the home. Koennig said she tested DNA collected from doorknobs and other surfaces and analyzed known DNA samples from Ashley and Caleb Flynn. No additional DNA conclusions were provided in the testimony details supplied for this cut. Caleb Flynn has pleaded not guilty to all charges in the death of his wife, Ashley Flynn. Listen Anywhere You Get Podcasts: https://pod.link/1655749292 Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod?sub_confirmation=1 Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/ Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod This publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice. #CalebFlynn #AshleyFlynn #HiddenKillers #DavidMcMullen #LindsayKoennig #CalebFlynnTrial #ATFK9 #DNAEvidence #OhioTrial #TrueCrime 

Comedian and debut essayist Marc Kaye joins host Ophira Eisenberg mid-vacation, sweat-soaked from a Yellowstone-to-Badlands road trip, to talk about the strange math of raising kids you can't actually engineer — a fitting theme from a guy with a mechanical engineering-turned-raver son and a musical-theater daughter now working inside the Bureau of Prisons at Fort Dix. Mark, who spent a year teaching biology in Camden through Teach for America, walks through the genetics lesson that quietly reordered his whole parenting philosophy: two parents, 23 chromosome pairs each, roughly eight million possible combinations before you even get to eye color, proof, he argues, that most of what parents take credit for was never in their hands to begin with. That idea threads into two very different formative stories: his post-college stint as a Big Brother paired with a kid with "violent tendencies" (a 138-pound psychology grad's crash course in letting go of outcomes), and the moment his son, mid-meltdown, declared the family dog-attacked stuffed animal "Bob is blind" — a small domestic crisis Mark still can't quite explain his own panic over. He and Ophira also dig into growing up with older, more rigid parents shaped by World War II, DIY households versus outsourced adulthood, and Mark's theory, half joke, half warning, that couples should have to do a Catholic-style pre-Cana before marriage, since nothing prepares you for becoming "a different person" alongside another one under exhaustion and diapers. Mark's new essay collection, "A Is for Awkward and Other Reflections on Belonging," and his comedy album "I'm a Good Dad" both hover in the background of a conversation that keeps circling back to one blunt, useful phrase he uses often with his now-grown kids: you get what you get, and you don't get upset.

The US offshore wind sector is facing a new front in its battle with the Trump administration: lease buyouts. In this episode of Energy Evolution, renewables reporter Noah Schwartz tells host Camilla Naschert about federal deals that allow offshore wind developers to cancel leases in exchange for fossil fuel investment commitments and government reimbursement. S&P Global Energy offshore wind analyst John Murray explains the financial and regulatory pressures facing developers, while former Bureau of Ocean Energy Management head Liz Klein discusses the legal challenges, state-level opposition and national security arguments surrounding offshore wind.

If you're going to watch your local football team this weekend, or perhaps catch a big match on a TV screen in the pub, do you know that you may be unconsciously participating in an ancient ritual? And as you're shouldering your way to the bar from the mosh pit at some gig and grinning at those you pass, are you aware that the artist you were watching may be embodying some spirit of transformation? That was the radical proposal of the book The Death and Resurrection Show that Rogan Taylor published in 1985, a book that is exceedingly difficult to get hold of now but one that became the inspiration and touchdown for my guest in this episode. David Bramwell returned to the Bureau to talk about The Ghosts of the Medicine Show, the book he's written about the themes of Rogan Taylor's Death and Resurrection Show. It is also a personal memoir of something most of us can relate to -growing up and being transformed by seeing musicians and artists and actors. David asks: 'What if the musician, the actor, the clown, the circus performer, the rock star — even the celebrity — are the latest manifestations of something that began much, much earlier' For most of human history, before temples, books and organised religions existed, our ancestors lived as nomadic hunter-gatherers. Their knowledge could not be written down; it had to be remembered, performed and embodied. The figures who carried this knowledge were the shamans—storytellers, healers, singers, dancers, magicians and guides who used performance to preserve culture, bind communities together and lead people through experiences of suffering, transformation and renewal. Where are they now? We also get into football, funerals - and ABBA.. For more on David and The Ghosts of the Medicine Show --- We have chosen not to carry ads here; it simply wouldn't sit right with the spirit of the Bureau. But if you can contribute to this crazy endeavour, Join our Patreon HERE   thanks Stephen   --- #bureauoflostculture #medicineshow #shaman #shamanism #psychedelic #football #theatre #music #tripping #art  #consciousness #thedeathandresurrectionshow #rogantaylor  

MeidasTouch host Ben Meiselas and MeidasTouch Chief Economist and Platypus Economics founder Justin Wolfers discuss Donald Trump and Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick's efforts to politicize the government's economic data as the latest economic numbers paint an increasingly troubling picture. Meiselas and Wolfers break down the attacks on data produced by the Bureau of Labor Statistics and other government agencies, why the independence and reliability of economic statistics matter, and what happens when political pressure is brought to bear on the institutions responsible for producing them. Subscribe to Meidas+ at https://meidasplus.com Get Meidas Merch: https://store.meidastouch.com Remember to subscribe to ALL the MeidasTouch Network Podcasts: MeidasTouch: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/meidastouch-podcast Legal AF: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/legal-af Sidebar with Katie Phang: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sidebar-with-katie-phang/id1886801652 The Parnas Perspective: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-parnas-perspective/id1869165949 The Intersection with Michael Popok: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-intersection-with-michael-popok/id1818863274 Scott MacFarlane Reports: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/scott-macfarlane-reports/id6807138300 MissTrial: https://meidasnews.com/tag/miss-trial The PoliticsGirl Podcast: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/the-politicsgirl-podcast The Ken Harbaugh Show: https://meidasnews.com/tag/the-ken-harbaugh-show The Weekend Show: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/the-weekend-show Burn the Boats: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/burn-the-boats Majority 54: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/majority-54 On Democracy with FP Wellman: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/on-democracy-with-fpwellman Uncovered: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/maga-uncovered Five Minute News: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/five-minute-news/id1471715443 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Five common reasons not to start a small business yet, from escaping a bad boss to fearing sales, give aspiring entrepreneurs a readiness check before they quit their job and put their savings at risk. Show Notes Page: https://www.thehowofbusiness.com/621-5-reasons-not-to-start/ Part of helping you start a small business is helping you decide if and when you should start one, and these five reasons not to start a small business yet will help you go in with your eyes wide open. The reality is that about one in five new businesses with employees closes in the first year, and about half are gone within five years, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. In his years of coaching aspiring business owners, Henry has found that those who struggle most very often started for the wrong reasons, or before they were ready. As he puts it, it's best to know before you take that leap, before you make that investment and sacrifice, rather than end up completely frustrated or even financially ruined. In this episode of The How of Business, Henry Lopez shares the top five reasons not to start a small business yet. Each one comes with a question to ask yourself and what to do instead. "I'm not here to talk you out of starting your first small business," Henry says. "I just want you to go in with your eyes wide open." Five Reasons NOT to Start a Small Business: 1) You mainly want to escape your bad job or your horrible boss. Am I running from something or toward something? 2) You're following your passion. Is there a business here that customers will pay for, or is this just something I love doing? 3) You can't afford it yet. Do I have the runway without risking my family's financial security? 4) You can't handle uncertainty or pressure. How do I really react when things are uncertain and it's all on me? 5) You hate or you're afraid of selling. Am I willing to ask people for their money? This episode is hosted by Henry Lopez. The How of Business podcast focuses on helping you start, run, grow and exit your small business. The How of Business is a top-rated podcast for small business owners and entrepreneurs. Find the best podcast, small business coaching, resources and trusted service partners for small business owners and entrepreneurs at our website https://TheHowOfBusiness.com

A new NOVA documentary is highlighting Indigenous science and knowledge developed over thousands of years. “Knowledge Keepers” explores how Native communities have used observation, experimentation, and relationships with the natural world to sustain their people. The film features communities across North America and the knowledge they are working to carry forward. For filmmaker Daniel Golding, a citizen of the Fort Yuma Quechan Indian Tribe, the project begins by reconsidering what we call science. “I think, a lot of times we think of what science is, is from a Western perspective, but I think, if you really understand, deconstruct it and understand how Indigenous people have held this knowledge of this land, and how to live on it, work with it, and develop it, you know, they’ve developed their own sort of form of science that is a little bit different from Western science.” One of the people featured in the film is Roberto Nutlouis, executive director of Nihikeya, a Diné organization working to restore traditional ecological and cultural practices on the Navajo Nation. Nutlouis says Indigenous knowledge can offer solutions to challenges communities face today. “I think for me, both for our own community, as well as the larger audience, is to demonstrate that Indigenous knowledge is not primitive, is not backward, that it holds so much potential solutions for the issues of our times.” For Nutlouis, preserving that knowledge also means refusing to treat culture as something that exists only in history. “We have to put it into the present tense, and in order to put it into the present tense, there has to be action behind it. There has to be some relevancy, applied nature to it.” The documentary also explores Indigenous knowledge through Arctic navigation, traditional home construction, and coastal aquaculture. Golding says making the film changed the way he looks at his own relationship with the environment. And he hopes viewers reconsider what Indigenous knowledge can teach them about the places where they live. “Well, I think what I’ve been preaching now after I completed this is just, you know, go outside and take a look at your environment. See how you can work with it. See what kind of change you can make to better your place.” “Knowledge Keepers” was produced by Hokan Media in association with Vision Maker Media for NOVA. It premieres September 23 on PBS stations and streaming. A new federal audit finds staffing shortages and case backlogs have hindered the Bureau of Indian Affairs’ efforts to investigate missing and murdered Indigenous people. The U.S. Interior Department’s Inspector General found BIA’s Missing and Murdered Unit had 83 open cases and nearly 400 referrals awaiting review as of November 2024. The Associated Press reports nearly half of the unit’s positions were still vacant last year. Sarah Deer, a University of Kansas law professor, says the problems compound the grief families already face. “A system designed as a response to that history cannot ask families to keep waiting.” BIA says it has taken steps to improve case processing and victim services following the audit. Get National Native News delivered to your inbox daily. Sign up for our daily newsletter today. Download our NV1 Android or iOs App for breaking news alerts. Check out today’s Native America Calling episode Monday, September 21, 2026 — Ownership transfer of Native medical center promises a new era of healthcare sovereignty in Alaska

Day Break | Who Controls the Future? Surveillance, AI & American Power --- 00:00 - Monologue 19:18 – Jim Malackowski, Chairman and Co-Founder of AIQA Global. Malackowski discusses growing concerns surrounding artificial intelligence and argues that the focus shouldn't only be on what AI can do, but also on who is using it and for what purpose. He examines AI governance, accountability, security, and the risks organizations can face as adoption accelerates. 28:14 – Natalie Dominguez, Title Theft Education Specialist for Home Title Lock. Dominguez shares a disturbing case involving a daughter who discovered her father had died, only to learn that his caretaker had allegedly moved into the property and taken control of the deed. She explains how deed and title fraud can happen, warning signs families should watch for, and steps homeowners can take to monitor their property records. 38:21 - Monologue Featuring Ivey Gruber 47:21 – Chloe Waterman, Deputy Director for Food Systems and Agriculture at Friends of the Earth. Waterman discusses a new report examining the prevalence of industrially produced meat and cheese in American school lunch entrées. She explains the report's concerns about children's nutrition, food sourcing, and potential changes to school meal programs. 57:35 – Sal Nuzzo, Executive Director of Consumers' Defense. Nuzzo discusses the Trump administration's changes to Biden-era agriculture and climate initiatives and the implications for farmers, federal regulation, and conservation policy. USDA has made a number of changes to agriculture programs under the current administration while also continuing and expanding several federal farm-support and conservation programs. 1:06:32 – Patrick McEnroe, President of the International Tennis Hall of Fame. McEnroe discusses concerns about American athletes losing opportunities on college rosters as international recruiting expands. He examines the issue following a House hearing focused on international athletes, roster availability, and what the changing landscape of college sports means for young American players. 1:16:47 - Monologue 1:25:50 – Salim Furth, Senior Research Fellow and Director of the Urbanity Project at the Mercatus Center at George Mason University. Furth discusses housing reform across the United States and which policy approaches states are pursuing to increase housing supply. He examines zoning, permitting, development restrictions, and lessons from a 50-state look at efforts to address housing affordability. 1:35:56 – Jasmine Zaki, Chairwoman of the Board of the Middle East Policy Council. Zaki discusses U.S. policy toward Kurdish groups in the Middle East and whether changes in Washington's approach could create new opportunities for Iranian influence in Iraq. She examines the Kurds' strategic position, regional security, and the competing interests shaping U.S. policy in Iraq. 1:44:46 – State Rep. Mike Harris, representing Michigan's 52nd House District. Harris discusses his role chairing a House select committee reviewing the rules and procedures of the State Board of Canvassers and Bureau of Elections following controversy surrounding a citizen voting initiative. The Michigan House confirms Harris chairs the select committee, which is holding hearings on the issue and related election procedures. --- Check out our podcast, 'Forgotten America'... Episode 24 is live NOW at Steve Gruber on YouTube! Link below: https://youtu.be/UrGZQdE62jA

The Wind River Tribal Buffalo Initiative (WRTBI) is an Indigenous-led organization which is restoring the Buffalo as wildlife and relative through land rematriation on the Wind River Indian Reservation in Wyoming, home to the Eastern Shoshone and Northern Arapaho Tribes. Learn more about the importance of Buffalo restoration in this interview with Kaycee Prevedel and Dawn Stagner. Kaycee Prevedel is the Partnership and Communications Director for the WRTBI. Kaycee is passionate about land protection and wildlife restoration. In college, she graduated with an advanced degree in American Studies with a focus on Indigenous Land Rights. Before WRTBI, she worked for the Sierra Club Wyoming Chapter as a wildlife and public lands advocate, as well as for the Bureau of Land Management, the US Forest Service, and the National Park Service at Mesa Verde National Park. Her expertise is in public/ancestral land protection and Tribal co-management. Kaycee is a Land Back advocate and is driven to amplify the efforts of Native-led organizations, especially WRTBI. Dawn Stagner is the Community Engagement Director for the WRTBI. Dawn is a writer and award-winning journalist who specializes in Indigenous land rights. She has two degrees in American Studies – an undergraduate degree from University of Wyoming and a masters from Bowling Green State University – where she studied Indigenous history and literature. Born and raised in central Wyoming, Stagner is an enrolled member of the Cheyenne Arapaho Tribes of Oklahoma and she is an Eastern Shoshone descendant. A lifelong interest in wildlife and Indigenous rights has guided her writing on Buffalo as well as rez dogs and cattle. She wants her skills as a storyteller to provide support for the Buffalo, youth, and community at-large here at the Wind River Tribal Buffalo Initiative. Show notes: Wind River Tribal Buffalo Initiative: https://windriverbuffalo.org/ Learn more about Wind River reservation treaties and Treaty Day: https://windriverbuffalo.org/what-is-treaty-day/ WRTBI is a Rematriation partner of the Coalition to Dismantle the Doctrine of Discovery: through our Land Justice Fund the Coalition has helped raise funds to buy back parcels of land and expand the territory the Buffalo can roam. We also have a working group that works with WRTBI in support of their initiatives. To connect with and support the Coalition's WRTBI working group email admin@dismantlediscovery.org Check out our online monthly trainings: tinyurl.com/Trainings2026 Sarah and Sheri's book: So That We and Our Children May Live: Following Jesus in Confronting the Climate Crisis Sarah and Sheri's Substack: So That We and Our Children May Live You can follow the Coalition to Dismantle the Doctrine of Discovery on Instagram (@coalitiontodismantle) and Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/dismantlediscovery)

A top Justice Department official threatened prosecutors with termination if they didn't pursue voter fraud cases.Minnesota officers arrested ICE agent Christian Castro during a traffic stop after Texas Governor Greg Abbott refused to extradite him. Castro now faces both federal and state charges stemming from the non-fatal shooting of Julio Cesar Sosa-Selis. Kash Patel testified before the Senate this week and defended lowering standards for hiring agents at the Bureau. The FBI halted cooperation with Canada over references to the September 11th attacks, further straining relationships with foreign law enforcement agencies.Plus listener questions.Do you have questions for the pod or something for HITMEINTHEHEADWITHABAT? Check out other MSW Media podcastshttps://mswmedia.com/shows/ Follow AGMueller, She Wrote SubstackMueller She Wrote on Blueskyhttps://twitter.com/MuellerSheWrotehttps://twitter.com/dailybeanspodMore from Andrew McCabeThe Real McCabe on Substack@therealmccabe.com on BlueskyThe Threat: How the FBI Protects America in the Age of Terror and Trump This Show is Available Ad-Free And Early For Patreon and Supercast Supporters at https://patreon.com/thedailybeansOr when you Subscribe on Apple Podcastshttps://apple.co/3YNpW3P Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

1936 SPAINAustralian Weather Forecast Signals Growing UncertaintyJeremy Zakis reports Australia's Bureau of Meteorology has revised its El Niño forecast from catastrophic to significantly milder. The primary ocean warming is positioned further east toward the Americas, while the Indian Ocean Dipole delivers unexpected moisture from the west. This atmospheric moisture counterbalances dry conditions, potentially bringing heavier spring rainfall across the continent. However, early bushfire alerts remain active, particularly in the Northern Territory. Emerging spring storms may trigger lightning strikes on dry undergrowth, creating heightened fire hazards. Despite unpredictable long-term climate models, current weather in New South Wales remains warm, clear, and ideal for popular local weekend beach outings right now. (1)

In the deserts of western China sit 320 brand-new missile silos, and for a while, by the Pentagon's account, some of them simply didn't work. The gap between the PLA on paper and the PLA in practice is where Gerald C. Brown has spent his career. Gerald is two weeks out of government, where he covered Chinese nuclear strategy and the PLA Rocket Force at the State Department's Bureau of Intelligence and Research. Now a visiting fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations, he joins Jordan and WarTalk's Tony Stark, Justin McIntosh, and Bryan Clark. We discuss… Why 2027 is not a go date — the three "strategic capabilities" the PLA pulled forward from its 2035 goals, and why a capability milestone says nothing about intent What the Iran war taught Beijing — day-one decapitation and the heaviest firepower campaign in decades still didn't deliver the political outcome, and PLA journals noticed The purges are what they look like — Occam's razor on PLA corruption, "fake combat capabilities," and why joint fires fail when artillery support runs on connections The nuclear shield — early-warning counterstrike, low-yield options, and why a thousand more US warheads would buy less deterrence than a thousand more boats Beijing's Japan fixation — the Chinese nuclear strategy text with a chapter on every nuclear state, plus Japan Inside vs. outside — what you can know about the PLA without a clearance, the mirror-imaging trap, and the pitch to undergrads who read Chinese Plus: the PLA's corruption tip line, Polymarket odds on the next purge, and where an escaped POW should beg for food. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Our Global Head of Macro Strategy Matthew Hornbach joins our Chief U.S. Economist Michael Gapen to discuss the Fed's potential next moves and how energy prices are influencing market expectations.Read more insights from Morgan Stanley.----- Transcript -----Matthew Hornbach: Welcome to Thoughts on the Market. I'm Matthew Hornbach, Global Head of Macro Strategy at Morgan Stanley.Michael Gapen: And I'm Michael Gapen, Morgan Stanley's Chief U.S. Economist.Matthew Hornbach: Today, what the Federal Reserve decided at its September meeting and what it could mean for rates through the end of the year.It's Wednesday, September 16th at 4pm in New York.So, Mike, the Fed raised rates by 25 basis points at this week's meeting. What stood out to you the most in the decision? And when it comes to inflation, how do you think this 25-basis point rate hike is actually going to affect the inflation outlook?Michael Gapen: Yeah, so certainly the decision was in line with expectations. You know, obviously what we've learned in the very broad sense is that inflation isn't moving fast enough in the direction that the Fed wants. So, it's responding by tighter monetary policy. And that does set up a very interesting question which you just asked, which is: Well, is it going to work? Is this the right response to the inflation that we're seeing?So, if you do go back and reread that Jackson Hole speech, there's not a lot in there about the drivers of inflation, what's causing higher inflation. But it's clear the only response to above target inflation from the point of view of the chair was tighter monetary policy. So, the Fed is in a bit of a pickle.Most of us believe the majority of the inflation we're seeing is supply side driven from tariffs, from energy. At least in the past, let's call it supply chain disruptions, a de-globalization narrative. Some of it is demand side driven through AI. But I think we're all looking at that thinking modestly tighter rates isn't necessarily going to bring down that AI-related inflation.So, we're left to conclude that the Fed's in this uncomfortable position of saying, "Well, a lot of the inflation that we're seeing is supply side driven and from the structural AI story that we're not convinced higher rates can maybe address."So I think the answer would be, if inflation's going to come down, then higher rates will be weighing on the parts of the economy that are more interest rate sensitive and generally soft already.Matthew Hornbach: Is this a one and done? Or do you think that when the Fed actually goes ahead and hikes rates after a long pause, they are thinking about delivering more than just one rate hike?Michael Gapen: Yeah, I strongly believe the committee as a whole is thinking in terms of more than one move. Monetary policy doesn't, say, hyper-react. It reacts with a bit of a delay. So, to your point, they've been on hold for a while. When they think about changing policy, then they're thinking about a series of moves.So, I think in their mind, if they're raising rates, there's a strong probability that they will do at least one more or two more. They're never going to think that a 25-basis-point move in the funds rate will fundamentally change the macro-outlook. So, I don't think they'd ever walk into this thinking one and done.Now, it is possible we get an ex-post one and done. So, how could that come about? If it is true indeed that we're right that a lot of this inflation is supply-side driven. It is coming down. It's clear that the three- and six-month annualized rates are pointing to disinflation into year-end. We can debate whether it's fast enough or not.But if disinflation continues to happen, then the Fed will have hiked, expect to maybe do another one. But by the time we get there, inflation has improved enough, and they end up not doing it.So, they would sound like, "Oh, we're still ready. We still think we've got more work to do." But in the moment, the data just arrives in a way that they stay where they are. So you would look back and say it was a one and done, but I don't think they go into this thinking one rate hike is going to fundamentally change the story.Matthew Hornbach: Now, of course, the data that we'll get between today and the December meeting will likely have an impact on their decision-making – as well as any revisions that we end up getting.And I think one of the stories that investors have been talking about are some of the methodological changes that the Bureau of Economic Analysis is implementing into the PCE inflation data. Do you see any scope for those types of revisions to lend itself to a one and done type of a policy for this year?Michael Gapen: It is possible. There's uncertainty about what actually those revisions are going to bring. But quality adjustments to software, for example, will over time likely bring inflation lower. Some of the revisions to the other categories. So, we do think it will on average lower year-on-year rate of inflation by about 1/10 or so, maybe a little more.So, it could show up on the high side. And then you've got what looks to be a different path.So yes, I think one of the reasons to maybe go slower, think about perhaps a quarterly pace of hikes, as opposed to, "Oh, we're just going to ramp up three, four meetings in a row," is to let some of this play out. See what those revisions look like.So yes, it could contribute to a world where revisions plus softness in the incoming data mean they hike, say, in September, don't do another one after that. Or those revisions are part of the reason why they think a slower-moving cycle rather than a more aggressive one is appropriate.Matthew Hornbach: Does the labor market play any role today in monetary policy?Michael Gapen: I think it's certainly secondary, if not tertiary. I don't want to say that the committee as a whole sees the labor market just fine and we don't have any concerns there.What's super helpful from the rate hike perspective is labor income, wage income out of the labor market is still decelerating and pretty modest. It doesn't suggest that the economy's overheating and the labor market is a source of upward pressure on inflation. So, I think that's beneficial in terms of thinking of the rate hike cycle.In the other direction, I'd say we've had a number of months now of, kind of, you know, let's call it 50,000 to 70,000 jobs a month on average if you kind of smooth through some of the volatility. That's not amazing, but it's not awful either.So Matt, I'd like to turn it back to you. This is of course the economist's perspective. When we translate this into the rates market; rates market clients may have a very different view. But I would be interested to hear your thoughts on how you think the rates market is dealing with the inflation. I don't want to say impulse, but let's call it the sticky disinflation we're getting, the sources of that inflation, and how it sees monetary policy reacting.How is the rates market digesting all of this?Matthew Hornbach: So, I think actually investors are reasonably nonplussed about what's happening in the underlying rate of inflation in the country. But what has inserted itself into the conversation is the price of energy and how impulsively energy prices have risen over recent months.When we look at how market prices evolve with respect to the path for monetary policy, what we observe empirically is that if energy prices are going up in a given week or in a given month, the market reprices to a more hawkish path for Fed policy. And if energy prices come down in a given week or a given month, and we see the market pricing towards a less hawkish path for monetary policy.So, the primary driver of how the markets are pricing the future of Fed policy is, in fact, the changes in the price of energy commodities. So, Brent crude oil, WTI crude oil, gasoline prices. And so, this is something that we just can't get away from.There are, of course, other things that do influence the level of Treasury yields, but I would suggest that they are more secondary or tertiary themselves in terms of… Similar to the labor market. I would say they have less of an impact on the overall level of yields.So, with a market-implied hiking cycle from the Fed at about three hikes or so from here, given that the Fed just delivered one rate hike, you know, the 10-year treasury yield is around 5 percent. It was much lower earlier this year, and we were pricing in two rate cuts at that point in time.So, you get the sense that if the market's moving from pricing in two rate cuts to pricing in four rate hikes, and the 10-year yield goes from 4.25 percent to 5 percent, obviously there's a relationship there.One factor that investors are certainly interested in is – how does the debt stock play a role in the level of yields? And one of the things that I've been telling people to consider is that it's not the level of the debt, the amount of debt in the economy that matters most for the level of interest rates – as odd as that may be to hear for listeners. It's how quickly that debt stock grows.So, if the debt stock is going up at a certain pace, and that pace is within the bounds of investor expectations, then it typically doesn't have that big of an impact on the bond market. So, one of the factoids that may surprise people is: about four years ago, the news media was very interested in the fact that the amount of debt in the United States had breached $31 trillion. And, the 10-year treasury yield at that time had peaked at about 4.25 percent, somewhere around there.Well, earlier this year, before the conflict in Iran began, the 10-year treasury yield was also around 4.25 percent. But this is four years later, and over these four years, the U.S. has added $9 trillion to the debt.So, here again, this is a good example, I think, of this idea that you can have a dramatic expansion in the debt from [$]31 trillion to [$]40 trillion, and yet the 10-year treasury yield itself is broadly unchanged.And so that just, I think, should tell investors that it's not the size of the debt that matters per se. Lots of other factors can influence the level of treasury yields. And how the market thinks about the Fed is certainly among the more important of those.So, Mike, just want to say thanks again for taking the time to talk after another FOMC meeting.Michael Gapen: Great speaking with you, Matt.Matthew Hornbach: And thanks for listening. If you enjoy Thoughts on the Market, please leave us a review wherever you listen and share the podcast with a friend or colleague today.

Replace the subject and insert new characters and the media shares with us the same storyline each day. Promote a story that worries people, blame Trump for it, promise to be the solution and push experts who say what you want. 9/11. Covid. January 6. The 2020 election. Measles. The pipe bombers. FBI Director Kash Patel wasn't playing games with the Senate Judiciary committee, but several democrats with presidential dreams tried to snag social media soundbites and got bodied instead. Listen to who is arguably the best director of the Bureau in my lifetime explain how he and his team have made America safer.