Until We Get Canceled

Well, it's happened, folks. We've been cancelled – by ourselves. No, not really, but we do have two big announcements to make. First, CJ will be stepping down from co-host to occasional guest host (and he will be sorely missed). And second, after next week, we will be taking a hiatus as Isaac adjusts to dad life and ponders whether he likes Brian enough to keep podcasting. We'll be back with new formats and new ideas or we'll drift off into the ether. In the meantime, we reminisce over what we've accomplished, give some simmering church takes, and answer some mailbag questions.Until We Get Canceled is a Crate Original from Crate Media

Content Warning: We discuss gay conversion therapy and Netflix's documentary Pray Away in this episode.The documentary, Pray Away, follows four members of Exodus International, a global conversion therapy advocate. This was going on behind our backs all along. So few were aware of how prevalent it really was. So much of the anti-gay movement was tied up in fears around the AIDS epidemic, and the church drove a big part of that. We discuss some of the history surrounding the documentary, how gay conversion therapy still exists today, and whether – in light of this – the church is salvageable, or if we should just burn the whole thing down.Resources:Send questions to cancelbag@gmail.com to be part of our mailbag episodeRead: The Miseducation of Cameron PostUntil We Get Canceled is a Crate Original from Crate Media

This could be the one that gets us canceled. Who'd have thought it would come to the point of defending a Will Willimon article? The article is presented as a conversation between Stanley Hauerwas and Will Willimon on the dangers of providing pastoral care and, honestly, they bring up some good points. 99% of seminarians expect to go out challenging people's theological beliefs and pushing boundaries, but when they get there they find that it's not what people want. On top of that, pastors are not trained as counsellors. Pastoral work should be the job of the whole church, and that shouldn't be a controversial thing to say. Maybe the reason people are upset is they feel like their cushy jobs are being exposed?Resources:Send questions to cancelbag@gmail.com to be part of our mailbag episodeStanley Hauerwas and Will Willimon on the dangers of providing pastoral careUntil We Get Canceled is a Crate Original from Crate Media

We're coming to you with some hot evangelical gossip! Former Chicago Cub and 2016 World Series MVP Ben Zobrist and Faith Hill's stunt double Julianna Zobrist have canceled their marriage. As the divorce filings became public, details are starting to come out and they're saucy stuff. The intersection of sports, pastors, and grinding on the dancefloor was too juicy to pass up. We break down the dish, rank this in the pantheon of evangelical scandals, and dive into the NBA finals.Resources:Send questions to cancelbag@gmail.com to be part of our mailbag episodeUntil We Get Canceled is a Crate Original from Crate Media

Ryan Cagel is a habitual church worker, Christian – sometimes against his better interests – and game designer. He's planting a faith community structured around mutual aid and solidarity in the backwoods of Alabama, known as Jubilee House. It's focused on anti-racist, LGBTQ+ inclusion, and anti-capitalist work. Everyone has their preconceptions of what The South is like, but Alabama has a long history of radical thought and the people there tend to help those in need. No one is coming to save The South, so it's up to them to save themselves. We talk about some of those misconceptions, the history of pentecostalism, and marrying anti-capitalism with the church.Resources:ryancagle.comjubileehouse.coSend questions to cancelbag@gmail.com to be part of our mailbag episodeUntil We Get Canceled is a Crate Original from Crate Media

Bad faith arguments on Twitter do actual harm. We talk about a recent Vox article detailing the fallout surrounding Isabel Fall over a short story titled “I Sexually Identify as an Attack Helicopter.” The story takes a common transphobic meme and turns it on its head by applying it literally to a science fiction world. Isabel, a trans woman, received threats and backlash over the story she published in January 2020, causing her to not only check into a hospital but make the decision to halt transitioning. We talk about the difference between paranoid reading and reparative reading, and how well-meaning people can still do a lot of damage when they aren't conscious of where they divert their energy.Resources:Send questions to cancelbag@gmail.com to be part of our mailbag episodeHow Twitter can ruin a life: Isabel Fall's complicated storyThat Twitter Thread (On Criticism) Jan 31, 2020Until We Get Canceled is a Crate Original from Crate Media

Friend of coal miners, Nathan Thomas, joins us for some lukewarm Appalachia takes. He's involved in a mutual aid organization in West Virginia, and we talk about how that's structured, what they do, and what it takes to keep it running. As Nathan puts it, “There's no tech bros coming to save Appalachia, so we are the only help we have.” Capitalism has a way of telling us that taking care of others comes at the risk of ending up with nothing ourselves, but that's a trap we can't stand for. Nathan also explores separating volunteer work from evangelism, how the church can make people feel more welcome, and the idea of building your own church instead of deconstructing what already exists. No theology, just vibes.Until We Get Canceled is a Crate Original from Crate Media

Ever since we talked about “The Falcon and the Winter Soldier” a few months back, people have been howling in anticipation of our thoughts on the finale. We give our latest takes on the MCU's role in the military industrial complex, how they present leftist movements in the meda (and what that likely says about how all media will present them in the future), and the entertainment that is keeping us alive, this late into the pandemic.Until We Get Canceled is a Crate Original from Crate Media

Something big has happened in the Southern Baptist Convention. We're not Southern Baptist, but who could resist weighing in on church drama? It's our jam. And let's be real: any church with “South” in the name has got some seriously racist roots. We dive headfirst into the drama, from their stance on Critical Race Theory, their attempts to silence sexual abuse victims within the church, and how, surprisingly, the Southern Baptist managed to do more regarding sexual abuse than the Catholic Church has ever been able to – get your shit together, Catholics!Resources:Read: “God and the Rhetoric of Sexuality” by Phyllis Tribleearthandaltarmag.comUntil We Get Canceled is a Crate Original from Crate Media

Kelsey McKinney is an author and co-founder of Defector.com. She was a staff writer at Deadspin, a vertical of Gawker Media that was founded on the principle of saying what they mean and holding nothing back. It was eventually mauled through various mergers and acquisitions, when the new people in charge tried to shift those editorial values. In an inspiring show of comradery, the staff writers unanimously decided to walk out. Her new novel, “God Spare the Girls,” explores the daughters of a prominent megachurch pastor in North Texas as they discover a damning revelation about their father and reconcile with the emotional and personal fallout it brings.Resources:kelseymckinney.comInstagram: @mckinneykelseyRead: “God Spare the Girls”Until We Get Canceled is a Crate Original from Crate Media

Whenever we reference our one listener, know that we're talking about Luke Melonakos-Harrison. Making the transition from fan to guest, he joins us to talk about the Bible, the role it's played in his life, and his spirituality. Growing up, the church tells us what God is or isn't. The beauty of the Bible is in the opportunity to develop your own understanding of God, Jesus, and faith without being told what to think. He also talks about what it was like reimagining his relationship with scripture while also reshaping his relationship with gender and discovering whether or not he was allowed to be both gay and Christian. We have the choice to interpret the Bible and it's a much more freeing experience of faith.Resources:Twitter: @l_melo_h + @LukeMH_BibleUntil We Get Canceled is a Crate Original from Crate Media

Returning guest, Melissa Florer-Bixler, is the pastor of Raleigh Mennonite Church and author of many books – most recently: “How to Have an Enemy: Righteous Anger & the Work of Peace.” The book tackles just about everything that the white Church needs to start having hard conversations about.The question that emerged for Melissa after the 2016 election – as it did for many of us, I'm sure – was, “How the hell did we end up with a white supremacist as the president of our country?” When white Christians began grappling with this question, their response was, “We're so divided! How do we talk to the other side!?” No, you know what? Sometimes it's OK to make an enemy. We talk about the enmity between Jesus and the Jewish leaders, how differences without enmity are OK, and what Mary Magdalene can teach us about making enemies.Resources:Melissaflorerbixler.comTwitter: @MelissaFloBixFacebook: facebook.com/melissa.florerbixler“How to Have an Enemy: Righteous Anger & the Work of Peace” by Melissa Florer-BixlerUntil We Get Canceled is a Crate Original from Crate Media

A few weeks back, we had a conversation about youth ministry where we ostensibly shat all over it. Feeling that we left a lot on the table, Blair Wilner wanted to take us to task for the things we said. Blair, a University of Virginia PhD student of religious studies, is currently celebrating the 11th anniversary of his liberation from the world of youth ministry, and finds himself in the ironic position of defending it. But even with his defensive stance, it's not all sunshine and rainbows. Blair has some criticisms of his own specifically for Young Life and their theology of human sexuality. So youth group: good or bad? Guess it's up to you to decide!Resources:Twitter: @blairwilnerUntil We Get Canceled is a Crate Original from Crate Media

This one's basically just a big, extended fight corner. Isaac dives headlong into how the movie Get Out perfectly explains his personal beef with Hamilton — the play, not the person — and how it's not all that different from the woke white supremacy of an intersectional CIA recruitment ad. But this week's headline fight involves The Liturgists Podcast. Let's get this out of the way first, this podcast probably wouldn't exist if The Liturgists didn't suck so much. The gang talks about how that podcast presents an incredibly close-minded view of what Christianity is and can be. It paints ideology as the problem. When you blame everything on ideology, the only place to look for solutions is at the Western Academy. Oh, and Brian tells the story of that one time he met Taylor Swift.Resources:Listen to Magdalene's other podcast: The People's CommentaryUntil We Get Canceled is a Crate Original from Crate Media

Semler, aka Grace Baldridge, is a documentary host and singer/songwriter. She recently put out a record “Preacher's Kid” which hit the #1 spot on Christian iTunes, and she's taking Contemporary Christian Music to task. She feels strongly about standing up for what she believes in because the rest of the CCM world tries to skirt around issues of accountability. Christians are not beyond reproach. How can you claim to stand up for what you believe in while being propped up by a platform that believes the exact opposite? Semler believes that this transformation isn't a flash in the pan — it's just getting started. She says it best: “Taking accountability and responsibility is a loving and caring thing to do, and we can do better.”Resources:Instagram: @gracebaldridgeTwitter: @gracebaldridgeListen: "Preacher's Kid"Until We Get Canceled is a Crate Original from Crate Media

Return guest Sara Zarr already gave us her full bio the last time she was on the show, so here's a few more facts beyond being an author and killer podcast host: She's a friend of Bryan, an adult child of alcoholics, and a semi-ex evangelical. She understands the issues with codependent thinking, which gives her an excellent perspective on how the church actually encourages codependency with its followers. We talk about what codependency actually is, how to develop healthy boundaries with God, church, and Bryan, and the ways in which the institutions enforce codependency through policy.Resources:sarazarr.comListen: This Creative LifeTwitter: @sarazarrbooksFacebook: facebook.com/sarazarrbooksInstagram: instagram.com/sarazarrbooksRead: "Codependency for Dummies"Until We Get Canceled is a Crate Original from Crate Media

D.L. Mayfield is a writer who just really, really wants to be a good neighbor. In her latest book, "The Myth of the American Dream," she explores whether or not the individualistic and autonomous values of the American Dream are at all compatible with Jesus' instruction to “love thy neighbor as thyself.” Her goal as a writer has been to connect people while simultaneously unsettling them. In this conversation we discuss the love-hate relationship of social media, whether it is used to create relationships or build a self-aggrandizing TikTok ministry, and ask the question: Is there one way to be a good white Christian on the internet? Don't forget to pick up D.L.'s book on Dorothy Day once it's available so the trads get mad.Resources:Dlmayfield.comInstagram: @d_l_mayfieldRead: "Assimilate or Go Home"Read: "The Myth of the American Dream"Until We Get Canceled is a Crate Original from Crate Media

Caitlin Stout is a student at Vanderbilt Divinity School — at least for the next few weeks. She will soon be graduating with her Masters in Divinity with a concentration in Chaplaincy. She's been on the nigh endless journey of figuring out what ministry looks like as a queer person in Tennessee. We often place the burden of assimilation on the victim of queer phobia instead of holding the religious institutions and individuals responsible for progress. We talk about using religious belief as an excuse for objectively bad opinions, the difficulty of owning your identity, and how queer folk have to find their own shared history through community.Resources:Twitter: @CaitlinJStoutUntil We Get Canceled is a Crate Original from Crate Media

Charlotte Donlon is a writer, certified spiritual director, and a Christian woman in the deep south who has opinions. Those opinions caused some conflict when the way some churches handled events such as the murder of George Floyd isolated her from her church community. We discuss her book "The Great Belonging," the upside of loneliness, what a spiritual director does, and connecting with yourself through art and faith.Resources:charlottedonlon.comInstagram: @bookshop_orgRead: "The Great Belonging"Until We Get Canceled is a Crate Original from Crate Media

We kick this week off in the most Youth Minister way possible: talking about the theological implications of Marvel movies. These movies have always been some not-so-subtle propaganda for the military industrial complex, but The Falcon & The Winter Soldier takes it to the next level. But we're not here to talk about superheroes — we're talking about teens. Specifically: is youth group good or bad? We discuss how many of our convictions were formed in youth ministry, why things that happened in youth groups are pushing people out of the Church, and our first attempted cancelation!Resources:Listen to Magdalene's other podcast: The People's CommentaryVenmo CJ some money: @Carrie-SurbaughUntil We Get Canceled is a Crate Original from Crate Media

Indhira Udofia is doing the damn thing. Either that, or she's a glutton for punishment. She came to divinity school on the false premise that she would be somebody's pastor, but she always had some tension around the church — The models never quite clicked with her. While going through seminary school, she realized that this was the source of everything she'd been wrestling with regarding the messages being preached about gender, sexuality, and race. It was a site of harmful indoctrination. That started her academic journey. As she worked on her licensure, it was clear that she wanted to work around spiritual trauma. Still, she wanted it to be a practical resource, not just an academic circle jerk. She created a space to develop interventions and do one-on-one work, which became The Sanctuary of the Seeking. We talk about what social work entails, how to recognize when spiritual trauma has happened to you, and why it may be best to just burn the church down (the system, not the actual buildings).Resources:imudofia.comTwitter: @IMAUdofia88sanctuaryoftheseeking.orgInstagram: @sanctuaryoftheseekingUntil We Get Canceled is a Crate Original from Crate Media

Ramona Martinez is an artist who seeks to reclaim Christianity for misfits, radicals, anarchists, feminists, and outcasts of all types. Growing up, Ramona attended an Anglican church. But when she was around nine years old, that church became a central player in the Episcopal schism. This kicked off an exploration of her spirituality that led to blending magic and Christianity in some really interesting ways. We talk about how magic and Christianity have been historically interwoven, how angels have been subverting the gender binary since the beginning of time, the *feeling* when you start practicing magic, how Millennials are unpacking their ancestral generational karma, (not) channeling the voice of Mary Magdalene, magic-ing a significant other, some Tarot 101, Ramona's New Testament-themed Tarot deck, what's up with Theosophy, why our generations are attracted to these practices, the fears people have around magic, and more. Plus, Carrie is inviting our first return guest to the Fight Corner!Resources:Ramonamartinez.netInstagram: @by_ramona_martinezpatreon.com/RamonaMartinezMala Leche - Radical feminist zinePYRAMID - Appalachian magic + remedy"Seventy-Eight Degrees of Wisdom" by Rachel Pollack"Tarot as a Way of Life" by Karen Hamaker-ZondagUntil We Get Canceled is a Crate Original from Crate Media

Hannah Bowman joined us in episode 18 to talk about abolition theology. However, we barely scratched the topic's surface, and the United States still has over 2,000,000 prisoners — one of the few areas where we are actually #1 — so we invited her back. Today, Hannah helps us dig deeper into abolition theology, the relationship between her faith and her abolition activism, the conversations that churches don't want to have (but restorative justice communities do), and her ‘slightly whacky' atonement theology. Plus, Carrie has prepared what might be our most controversial fight corner yet.Resources:Christians for the Abolition of PrisonsTwitter: @hannahnpbowmanUntil We Get Canceled is a Crate Original from Crate Media

This week's guest comes correct, wielding decades of progressive activism, a soundboard, and Some Thoughts on the proposed “Global Methodist Church.” Rev. Steven Martin has done quite a bit over the years, but he's currently the Founder of The Lakelands Institute, providing education for clergy and churches so that they can navigate a new era. We talk about the church's role in both historical and contemporary right-wing movements, the big transition that the church is in right now, the coming schism in the United Methodist Church, hot takes from the contemporary Christian Right, marking the end of an era for institutional power and authority, doing the hard work of the Gospel, the only thing Millennials and Zoomers care about, Bryan's CIA scare, and UT's invitation to fight Carrie in the Chili's parking lot.Resources:Watch Steven's documentary: “Renewal or Ruin?”The Lakelands InstituteUntil We Get Canceled is a Crate Original from Crate Media

Today we're talking about the intersection of theology and social justice with Hannah Bowman, the founder and Director of Christians for the Abolition of Prisons. She's best known on the Twitterverse as a literary agent, but Bryan already has representation, so we're most interested in her hot abolition takes. And, on that accountability tip, we're summoning the unholy trinity of Texas assholes to the Chili's parking lot: Ted Cruz, Rick Perry, and Greg Abbott.Resources:Christians for the Abolition of PrisonsTwitter: @hannahnpbowman“Wanted: A Spiritual Pursuit Through Jail, Among Outlaws, and Across Borders” by Chris HokeUntil We Get Canceled is a Crate Original from Crate Media

When Isaac was at Duke Divinity School, he had a professor send an email about why diversity training is bad that said the job of a theologian is not to be concerned with the problems of the world but to be thrumming like a taut wire in their office. What does this have to do with today's episode? Because, as always, we're absolutely thrumming to talk about masculinity — today, in the context of “the violent liturgy of Alabama Football,” as it was described in a questionable take (one of many) from far-right Catholic journal First Things.Resources:Listen to Magdalene's other podcast: The People's CommentaryUntil We Get Canceled is a Crate Original from Crate Media

Antonia Terrazas is the creator of Holy Blacked Out, Extremely Online, and a friend of Isaac's from seminary. She came to join us for one of their first sober conversations, but you know what? It's still fun! We chat about growing up Evangelical, Charismatic, Fundamentalist, and homeschooled; going to David Crowder's church, not for gay reasons; old white man fragility; the accountability(?) of ‘cancel culture;' reminiscing about seminary, the performative aspects and the surprising ways it can radicalize; why Isaac can't stand reading theology these days and when theology is valuable; the State simping for white supremacists; the strange state of the Eucharist today, for us at least; and how the church taught us things seminary didn't. And hey, Bishops of ACNA and the whole diocese of Dallas, get ready for a fight with Carrie and Antonia in the Chili's parking lot.Resources:Twitter: @antoniaterrazasInstagram: @antoniaterrazasHoly Blacked OutUntil We Get Canceled is a Crate Original from Crate Media

Isaac doesn't have a rad soundboard, but he does have a radical agenda — and he wants you to have one, too! Today, we're digging into what it means to be radicalized, how we were all radicalized, the pushback you receive (from some communities more than others) when you're public about it, and how we can effectively radicalize others. Plus, fight corner is back, baby!Resources:Listen to Magdalene's other podcast: The People's CommentaryThe Communist Manifesto (free)"Caring for Souls in a Neoliberal Age" by Bruce Rogers-VaughnThe works of Dorothy DayWalter Benjamin's “A Critique of Violence” (free essay)Until We Get Canceled is a Crate Original from Crate Media

We're joined by Rosie Snow, Isaac's comrade in his meme-fueled mission to create an army of radical socialist Christians and the Director of Christian Discipleship at Wesley Memorial. We discuss attention, whether attention exists, the difference between attention and working memory, “Supernatural” Tumblrs, our relationship (or lack thereof) to the non-human world, and how social media is affecting all of that.Resources:"How to Do Nothing: Resisting the Attention Economy" by Jenny OdellUntil We Get Canceled is a Crate Original from Crate Media

The gang's all here! And we're joined by L Finke, who is doing incredible work to advocate for the LGBTQ+ Christian community and provide support for how parents and the greater Christian community can best support their LGBTQ+ friends and family. She's been busy over the last couple years, writing two books — “Queerfully and Wonderfully Made: A Guide for LGBTQ+ Christian Teens” and “Welcoming and Affirming: A Guide to Supporting and Working with LGBTQ+ Christian Youth” — and producing two documentaries — ”White Savior: Racism in the American Church” and “Ending The Silence: Confronting Sexual Shame in the Church.” We talk about the Amazon review that inspired the name Totally Gay Productions, creating the resources she wishes she had as a teenager, addressing the curiosity (and ignorance) of horny teens, why Smitten Kitten is in L's book, the negative impact of churches on the world, the ups and (mostly) downs of Rainbow Capitalism, the lack of trans representation across almost all media, getting past apologizing for queerness, segregation in churches, and a whole lot of TV.Resources:www.totallygayproductions.comTwitter: @leighfinkeFacebook: facebook.com/LeighFinkeAuthorRead: “Queerfully and Wonderfully Made: A Guide for LGBTQ+ Christian Teens” Read: “Welcoming and Affirming: A Guide to Supporting and Working with LGBTQ+ Christian Youth”Watch: ”White Savior: Racism in the American Church” Watch: “Ending The Silence: Confronting Sexual Shame in the Church.” Until We Get Canceled is a Crate Original from Crate Media

We're joined by special guest Donna, who you can also hear dropping her insight on the Book of Ruth on The People's Commentary, to talk about the domestic terror attack at the Capitol, white supremacy, and the upcoming inauguration. It's time to start having some difficult conversations, and it's time for white people to start earnestly interrogating their own whiteness.Resources:Listen to our other pod: The People's CommentaryUntil We Get Canceled is a Crate Original from Crate Media

Isaac's back, and Bryan pissed him off before the episode even started! We're also joined by Ellie Singer, an Extremely Online Gen-Z Episcopalian who currently lives in Houston. We're all big fans of that one time Ellie tweeted about Friday Night Lights and the Bible, so we brought her on to expound on her Midrash of the “Friday Night Lights” canon, and we reflect on how it fits so serendipitously in all of our lives, generations apart. That's right, it's the “Friday Night Lights” episode that no one asked for.Resources:Twitter: @EllieGSingWatch Friday Night Lights on Hulu or AmazonSupport Ellie on Etsy: CommonPrayerUntil We Get Canceled is a Crate Original from Crate Media

Sara Zarr is a prolific author, a national book awards finalist (which Bryan isn't bitter about *at all*), and the host of This Creative Life. We talk about why the range for Gen-X is whack, growing up as part of the Jesus movement in the 70s in California, getting exposed to modern evangelicalism, the tendency for cults of personality to manifest in churches, the deep sense of loss when you leave a community (even for good reasons), the phenomenon of feeling like the Holy Spirit is communicating with you, the relationship between Sara's faith and her writing, and our spicy takes on Taylor Swift, Katy Perry, and “Love, Actually.”P.S. Don't Tweet on pain meds, nurse's orders.Resources:www.sarazarr.comListen: This Creative LifeTwitter: @sarazarrbooksFacebook: facebook.com/sarazarrbooksInstagram: instagram.com/sarazarrbooksMFA in Creative Writing | Seattle Pacific UniversityUntil We Get Canceled is a Crate Original from Crate Media

Content warning: suicidal ideation and death.Isaac's out for surgery this week (don't worry, he's fine), but we brought in a great friend to sub for him: Chris Hoke, a gang pastor, jail chaplain, and the founder of Underground Ministries. He's also an incredibly engaging writer, and Bryan gives a glowing endorsement for his book “Wanted.” We talk about how Chris learned about the bible and his community in some rough Oakland neighborhoods; going to jail to learn how to read the bible in context; how modern Christianity has largely forgotten the oppressed and marginalized folks that Jesus helped; Carrie fighting the good fight down in Texas; butting up against evangelical hypocrisy; (almost) getting cussed out by a nun; and we get INTO a conversation about the existential morality and theology surround the death penalty and mass incarceration, a conversation that has had renewed fervor after the murders of Brandon Bernard and Alfred Bourgeois.Resources:Chris-hoke.comUnderground MinistriesFacebook: facebook.com/chris.hoke.988Twitter: @ChrisHoker"The Fall of the Prison: Biblical Perspectives on Prison Abolition" by Lee GriffithUntil We Get Canceled is a Crate Original from Crate Media

Hillary Zedlitz is a Ph.D. student at the University of Michigan who studies political science and religion and politics. Hillary is also a member of the Graduate Employees' Organization, a grad student union, who went on strike during the pandemic to protest the university reopening plans and policing policies.On a micro level, we get into why the strike happened and how the university handled things (poorly) after the fact. And on a macro level, we explore how labor is exploited in academia, why more graduate students should belong to a union, and how unions can protect their members. Plus, we talk about why students athletes should definitely unionize, why that, unfortunately, will probably never happen, Obama's anti-union sentiments, religious extremism and comparative politics, using research to explore who you are as a person, the effect that politics is having on religion (which may not be what you expect), what facilitates a sense of religious belonging, and how we can have healthy political conversations.Resources:www.geo3550.org“From Politics to the Pews” by Michele MargolisUntil We Get Canceled is a Crate Original from Crate Media

This week we're joined by Amy Peterson, an author, seminary student, quilter, master playlist maker, and seasoned podcast guest. Amy released a book in January 2020 titled “Where Goodness Still Grows: Reclaiming Virtue in an Age of Hypocrisy,” a book that was originally sold with the title “Virtues for the Apocalypse.” So, it ended up being an extra-appropriate book for 2020. As Amy puts it, unfortunately, “its relevance seems to continue.”So, we dive deep into how the 2016 election inspired this book idea, why she hoped that it would be less relevant after the 2020 election concluded, why her chapter on Lament sparked controversy, why “Hamilton” is actually just “Get Out,” stupid Twitter takes, Isaac's OnlyFans page, and doing what Carrie's mom tells us to do.Resources:www.amypeterson.netInstagram: @amypeteTwitter: @amylpeterson"Blessed Are The Nones: Mixed-Faith Marriage and My Search for Spiritual Community" by Stina Kielsmeier-CookUntil We Get Canceled is a Crate Original from Crate Media

We open the show with a beautiful rendition of the story of Baylor Sword Poet, Isaac's Twitter handle. Plus, Carrie goes in on Lord of the Rings fans (our most contentious take yet?) and we learn why Winter is a basic-ass metaphor to spell out in your poem, and all before we start the show! Then, instead of pointing and laughing at people on Twitter for the whole pod, we share some genuinely positive and constructive thoughts about deconstructing theology and faith in marginalized communities and some resources you can use to start a practice of observing advent.Resources:"All Creation Waits: The Advent Mystery of New Beginnings" by Gayle Boss“Maya Angelou and the Freedom Poetry of Advent”"Light Upon Light: A Literary Guide to Prayer for Advent, Christmas, and Epiphany" by Sarah Arthur"WinterSong: Christmas Readings" by: Madeleine L'Engle & Luci ShawAdvent - Illustrated Ministry"Faithful Families: Creating Sacred Moments at Home" by Traci Smith"The Irrational Season" by Madeleine L'Engle“Songs for Christmas” by Sufjan Stevens“Silver & Gold” by Sufjan StevensMUNA - I Know A Place (Official Video)Until We Get Canceled is a Crate Original from Crate Media

Brandin Gibson joins the show to help us put the USA on blast and — more importantly — give us the comedic highlights of 2020. We talk about dealing with self-isolation as an introvert vs. extrovert, the loooooooong election week, some hot Thanksgiving food tips, turkey families vs. side dish families, binge-worthy TV to stay at home to, how Fast & Furious is calling us to obliterate the nuclear family, the MAGAification of Top Gun, the NBA bubble, and, as promised, a few moments from 2020 that didn't suck.Resources:www.brandonjovangibson.comInstagram: @lord_crunkinghamUntil We Get Canceled is a Crate Original from Crate Media

Althea Laughon-Worrell is a college student engaged in racial justice work in Charlottesville, Virginia — a town that has become more or less synonymous with white nationalist violence after August 12, 2017. On that day, protesters gathered against the removal of a statue commemorating Confederate leader Robert E. Lee. They were met with counter protesters, many students like Althea, and violence ensued. You might have also seen pictures of a mob of young white men wielding tiki torches and polo shirts? That was from the night before, and it is emblematic of the pervasiveness of white supremacy in the area, which is often considered one of Virginia's liberal hotspots due to UVA. This is a heavy topic, but Althea still makes the conversation a lot of fun.We talk about our drone-captured Cha-Cha Slide, the amount of money that Charlottesville and UVA police have spent protesting statues that many people in the city don't actually want, the radicalization of Gen-Z via Tik Tok, trolling Trump rallies, K-pop, the Gen-Z-Millennial divide, the Georgia Senate runoff, segregation in Virginia public schools, condemning the University of Virginia, and the successes that activists have had in Charlottesville over the last three years.Resources:Listen: “A12: The Story of Charlottesville”Hate read: "No Families, No Children, No Future" (make sure you read the updates)Facebook: facebook.com/althea.laughingworrellUntil We Get Canceled is a Crate Original from Crate Media

Kevin Rose joins us for an exploration of the history of public christianity in the 20th Century. We talk about what “public christianity” is, Anglican Twitter, the intersection of christianity and COVID, the relationship between big business and public christianity, whether Billy Graham would have been friends with Trump (spoiler: yes), poverty voyeurism, and the one thing that progressive christians, depressed evangelicals, and the LGBTQ+ community have in common.Plus, Carrie is back! And they'll be joining us as a permanent member of the cast… at least, Until We Get Canceled.Connect on Twitter:Bryan: @brainblissIsaac: @baylorswordpoetCarrie: @raccoonsapphoResources:“We'll Fly Away” by Bryan Bliss“Strangers Drowning” by Larissa MacFarquharMachete y Mate“Jesus and John Wayne” by Kristin Kobes Du MezUntil We Get Canceled is a Crate Original from Crate Media

Melissa Florer-Bixler is the pastor of Raleigh Mennonite Church and an author. Her book “Fire by Night” is one of the best books on the Old Testament that we've read in a long, long time, and she writes as a feminist working to dismantle whiteness — so that's pretty dope. She's currently working on a new project for a second book about enemies and how to have them, and man are we excited to see how that comes together. There's even a chapter about your racist uncle!Speaking of which… we really get into the state of our country after four years of Trump, the divisions happening in our churches these days as a result of the 2020 presidential election, and the insidious nature of White Supremacy.P.S. Bryan isn't a Boomer and he wants to make sure you know that.Resources:Melissaflorerbixler.comTwitter: @MelissaFloBixFacebook: facebook.com/melissa.florerbixler“Fire by Night” by Melissa Florer-BixlerUntil We Get Canceled is a Crate Media Original

In this inaugural episode of Until We Get Canceled — which happens to also be the inaugural show of The Magdalene podcast network — your hosts Isaac Collins and Bryan Bliss share how Mary Magdalene inspired this project, and our first guest Carrie Surbaugh dunks on how wrong we are (and the UMC). Along the way, we connect the dots around a grand conspiracy: Jerry Falwell, The Da Vinci Code, QAnon, and Jeffrey Epstein.This is a talk show by progressive Christians for… well, we don't care who listens. We want to bring up conversations that we know are happening in a lot of Christian communities and bring them to the forefront, with some levity and our tongues planted firmly in cheek. We know there are a lot of people of faith who support equal rights for everyone, who know that love is love, who believe that #BlackLivesMatter, who want to engage with faith in a different way than their parents did, and who want to replace the Christian patriarchy with a new cult of the sacred feminine led by Ian McKellen — and we want to give those communities a platform.We're here. We're tolerant. Get used to it… until we get canceled.Connect on Twitter:Bryan: @brainblissIsaac: @baylorswordpoetCarrie: @raccoonsapphoResources:"An Open Letter to My Parents' Pastor" by Carrie SurbaughRead Carrie's other writing: carriehomecompanion.substack.comUntil We Get Canceled is a Crate Media original.