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iera returns with the Green Park Dentistry team, Chief Operations Manager Jeff and Dr. Andrew Sugg, to discuss tips for those who want to evolve their leadership. Jeff and Dr. Sugg share their own journey, which included immersing themselves in a new community. Episode resources: Subscribe to The Dental A-Team podcast Schedule a Practice Assessment Leave us a review Transcript: Kiera Dent (00:00) Hello, Dental A Team listeners, this is Kiera, and this is part two of Dr. Andrew and Jeff talking about, they already went through their expansion, what they did, and now I really wanted to get into the nitty gritty of what makes Andrew so incredible as a doctor and what makes Jeff an incredible leader in his practice to get the growth and the success that they've been able to have. And I'm so excited for you to experience it. And as always, thanks for listening. I'll catch you next time on the Dental A Team podcast.   Kiera Dent (00:24) Andrew, can you walk us through, what do you feel are some of the things you do so superior? Like, I want you to brag a little bit. This is a moment where Kiera Dent is so freaking proud of you. Tiff is proud of you. Our company is proud of you. ⁓   because I think other people want to know how to do this. So I almost want to peel back the curtain just a little bit on what are some of the things you do really well in assembly? Like I said, Jeff, chime in too. Then we're going to reverse. We're going to talk about Jeff and Andrew, you can chime in on him. So like both of you can just schmooze each other tonight as well. You guys are going to have an amazing night post podcast. You're welcome. All right. But truly, Andrew, what are some of the things you feel set in part?   Jeff & Andrew (00:52) Yeah, thank you.   Well,   that leads into a great, was going to say, like, I feel really lucky to have Jeff, obviously. And I know not everybody has a Jeff or can trust someone as much as I trust Jeff. But I think obviously it can be very hard on our marriage. So that's one side note. And I know like a lot of couples that that happens. But I think I have to always. Right? know. Two years ago, I was worried. And in gay years, that's like 40 years.   Kiera Dent (01:19) I'm so proud of you. 10 years in and you still, I think, love each other, which is amazing. I think   everybody is. You're like, okay. But it's one of those things also though, I will say, like throwing it out to couples, when couples go through what you have gone through and you're able to like be through the thick and the thin of it, I will also give advice. Like when I watched people go through dental school, and Andrew, I'm sure you saw this, I was so angry at so many of our like friends that went through.   Jeff & Andrew (01:33) you   Kiera Dent (01:46) Like they went through the residencies, they got to the end and I'm like, you freaking made it. And that's when they get divorced. And I'm like, Oh, if you're to get divorced, get divorced during the hard times, but like you have made it. You've made it. And now it's like, it's a matter of like, we bonded together, we grew together. And I think like making sure that stays a priority in your marriage. You guys remember I was a marriage and finally therapist prior to this. Like that was my thing. I like, Oh, don't give up on what you like. You went through the freaking hardest years together. Now it's like, enjoy this amazing life we built together.   Jeff & Andrew (01:50) Yeah.   Right, yeah. All right.   Yeah.   Yeah   Kiera Dent (02:16) and don't lose sight of how grateful we are for one another. anyway, like off my tangent, keep going.   Jeff & Andrew (02:20) No, that's   that one. So I guess that's that's part like that's kind of part of my after always remind myself I need to be very appreciative for everyone around me. So that's probably number one. And I guess that goes into like, you need to kind of check your ego, right? Like as much as everybody wants it to be all about the dentist and all about me. I'm really just the guy that does the dentistry and I enjoy kind of being like that side note, like I'd rather people come talk to him. Right. So I think like the more you can step back and see yourself as that clinician is very beneficial. And then   kind of let, again, the people around you lead and be those positive lights that they can be, that's like how you're gonna grow, right? And then I think that goes along with an associate where, ⁓ again, kind of being humble, like, yes, I know a lot, but I don't know everything. And I learned stuff as much from the associates or how they do things differently as much as they may learn from me. And I think when you come to a situation more with ⁓ curiosity and...   really trying to find how you can learn and be better every day, then they only want to do the same. So you really have to lead by example, lead with curiosity, really come to work every day, just trying to do better for people around you. And I want to chime in. think you lead from your heart too. You have a passion for people and you have a passion for what you do, dentistry. Like you live, breathe, speak it all the time.   Even outside the office. You're always- Too hard, right? Shut it down. You're always seeking new things. You're always at speaking with Dr. Parks about, what do you think about this? Or how would you approach this rather than this point of, hey, I do it this way, you have to do it. You do approach curiosity. And I think the frequency that he's able to, the amount of time they spend together in this office, they share an actual office. ⁓ So they're able to compare.   Kiera Dent (03:45) ⁓ And now you look beautiful!   Jeff & Andrew (04:14) Everything all the time. So if at any time that they're both in the office together I could walk by they're always talking about a case or how they could improve something or how could we approach this or This is funny. What like what should we do? You know, it becomes this collaboration and less of a like we're having a calibration meeting this day for this time We're going to talk about X. It's kind of a constant Yeah, like I listen in on his new patient exams. He listens in on mine. And yeah, it's just a   constant thing. I think, honestly, again, that was a necessity that that started that way. And I think in our old office, it was actually me, Jeff and Dr. Parks all in a room that was really meant to be for me. And we all were crammed in there. And eventually Jeff moved because he got tired of listening to us talk about dentistry.   Kiera Dent (05:01) I was gonna say that's why   Jeff's not in the office. He's like, I don't wanna hear about this dentistry. hear about it way too much. You two have fun.   Jeff & Andrew (05:04) He's like, I gotta get away from Yeah. need some space. Yeah.   So that wouldn't have been a decision I probably would have made if we had all this space, right? So I think it is funny, like again, that necessity and just kind of trust in the process and learning what you can. But I'm like, I'm so grateful for those early years and like he and I have such a bond now that we're excited for our next associate and bringing him or her into our office and making them a part of our little dorky dental group.   Kiera Dent (05:32) love it. And   I mean, Jeff, you're right. But I if I'm to have a dentist, I want the dentist who talks nonstop about dentistry. I know that's not probably so nice at home. Jason has an alarm on our phone for us. So, Jeff, if you want to take like marriage tip from me and Jay, because I will talk about business forever. And he's like, shut down, girl. The alarm goes off at five every night. And that's when I have to stop talking work. And it goes off like it's every single day. Six o five. I know what time and I'm like, OK.   Jeff & Andrew (05:40) I'm   Hahaha   Kiera Dent (05:59) That's my time limit. So you want to talk about like a show? I'm like, I don't even know what I'm about. So it's a really handy thing for me to have to shut it down. But Andrew, I am curious on that. I think a lot of doctors struggle and I love how you talked about like, this isn't how I do it. Like, what do you think and how can we do this? I'm curious. So let's say you saw of a future associate, we'll use Dr. Parks right now, cause that's one you know, you won't know the future one's personality, but   Jeff & Andrew (06:01) Yeah.   Yeah.   Kiera Dent (06:27) Let's say you see dentistry that's not up to your standard with Dr. Parks. How do you go and have that conversation with him to where he feels supported, but at the same time, you don't allow your culture, your brand, the type of dentistry to go out the door without having, like, people don't know how to have this conversation because you're both dentists. So how do you handle that with Dr. Parks?   Jeff & Andrew (06:46) Yeah. So I think, ⁓ kind of bring it back to like what he's doing it for, right? So it's not about me seeing a problem, but it's like, hey, here's how this could maybe be a better outcome for your patient, right? Or I would like argue, I would like to kind of always spin and make myself an example. Like, hey, I used to do it this way, right? Like, or I used to do something different, but my old mentor who I love and admire, like she helped show me the way, right? And I've really learned a lot from her. So I think that's also where   like for our future associate, need to make sure that that is a key component of their culture is to be open and constantly learning and be curious. And ⁓ I think that is definitely a big goal of ours is to find that in the next person. And that's where we also feel very lucky with our associate. We know that that's not ⁓ very easy to find an associate and kind of have that success with it. So again, as much as I'm appreciative for Jeff.   I'm very appreciative for Dr. Parks too, and I think it shows in our relationship as well.   Kiera Dent (07:46) Yeah. Well, I think like also though, when you've built a practice to your size, you normally now get to be choosy and picky. I feel like when you're like a little bit smaller, it's kind of like, I got to like help someone wants to come work in this like amazing brown, purple, green popcorn ceiling and share an office with me, my husband, and you get to be in here too, like Harry Potter corners all the way around. But now you get to be even more choosy on who comes forward because you've got this amazing space. You've got the place where someone wants to come.   Jeff & Andrew (07:56) Yeah. Right.   Yeah. Seriously. Right.   Kiera Dent (08:14) And I think that's gonna be really awesome to watch you grow on that next one. So thank you for that. Jeff, I wanna pivot to you. I've watched your leadership. I've watched you grow. I've watched you run a team. I've watched you go from Gilbert to Jeff. I've watched you sit in meetings. It was so fun to see you in person. It has been far too long for me. It was pre-COVID since the last time I saw you. And we met in person and I watched you. You sit there with this inquisitive mind. You sit there with this, you've got a...   Jeff & Andrew (08:31) I know.   Kiera Dent (08:41) depth of knowledge that's just impressive to me. And also I've watched you grow in your leadership. I've seen you, I talked to Tiffany and you're in your community in leadership courses, you're doing pieces. I just wanna know, and Andrew, this is now where you're gonna like love on Jeff on this, of how have you gone from where you were to where you are today? Like I know that's a whole process and I know that's very broad, but just even thinking of some of the strokes that you've taken, I know you and Tiff have worked super hard. I'm gonna give like mad kudos to Tiffany and I'm sure you will too.   Jeff & Andrew (09:08) Yeah.   Kiera Dent (09:08) But   I'm just curious because I think leadership is so elusive for so many people. And yet I've watched you like take this on this, but you're also a baller. Like you don't get run over. You have hard conversations. You speak up. You're very brilliant in what you do. Andrew, I agree. Jeff's a machine. I watch him. He's like, all right, got my list. I got all these things. I'm going home. Andrew, this is what we're going to do. You think, Jeff, you think Andrew's running the show, but.   I know that who's really running it is you. Like you're like, all right, this is getting done. We're getting all this done. This is where the lights are going. Everybody move in on this day. But you do it with poise and grace. so I'm just curious at like tips for people who maybe are trying to evolve in their leadership, things that you've done to be the, like truly, I think you're a huge example of a successful leader. And so it's okay. This is your brag moment. I know it can be awkward, but I really am just so proud of you and excited to hear what you think has been part of that evolution of you.   Jeff & Andrew (09:37) Yeah.   Well, the first, thank you. That's like, I want to cry right now. Thank you. You don't often hear that. ⁓ So thanks for that. ⁓ Honestly, know, I had a little experience ⁓ in my past career about, ⁓ you know, it was an industry that's off offshore. So it's a difficult industry.   Kiera Dent (10:06) You're welcome.   I feel tear-eyed, Luke, because I'm just really proud of you. Like truly.   Jeff & Andrew (10:27) for me personally to enter into, know, with these rough, greasy, you know, I'm not scared of dirt, obviously it was geology, but, you know, a lot of people aren't socially aware who might be working with them, you know, so, you know, being gay in an industry like that, that's nobody's like, ⁓ did I offend somebody by what I said? That's, you know what I mean? So that's, you kind of get a little bit of a tough skin there, right? So I've had experience.   With that, I've had experience managing projects ⁓ offshore. I've had experience managing projects onshore. I grew up in a family that my dad, my parents are business owners and I was put to work for not a legal pay at a very young age. So I just learned like, I've got to work to do this stuff. then, you know, fast forward to meeting you guys when I was unhappy, I was like, what am I going to do? Right? So you guys, you, Tiffany,   the collaboration, the tools, the building blocks, the confidence, the empowerment that you were like, you can do it and you're the only one that is, right? ⁓ So that led me on it. And then we went into the catalyst of showing up to that office that day with a different vibe and then seeing that it works. ⁓ So then I think naturally we moved to this county from a very different county in Florida that a lot...   Kiera Dent (11:46) Thank   Jeff & Andrew (11:55) population was very different and we're in a very different population here. So we did have some fear coming in. So we were cautious about, you know, how we represented ourselves, if we made a big splash. And then as we realized the momentum of the practice and the service of what we were doing, it was gaining momentum and people came to us for our service and our dentistry. So then that gave us confidence to be like, okay,   this is what people want. And I think part of my mindset ⁓ in creating the vision and how the business that we want is thinking about past jobs and what did Andrew not like about ⁓ how he was treated by a mentor, previous employers, or how he had to follow a protocol to do this to the patient. And we realized, I kind of just have a challenging mentality, like why?   You know, like, can we do it different? Should we do it different? Yeah, we probably should, because that's what everybody wants, right? So then we started to see those little pieces gain success and the community be like, we're going to them because they do that different. Differently. Differently. Thank you. We call them by name, something as simple as that, you know. It's like, wow, that's a big difference. So then.   Kiera Dent (12:51) .   Mm-hmm.   Right.   Jeff & Andrew (13:14) I think I'd encourage people to start looking in their area. I didn't realize the opportunities that our county and like had around us, right? So I started to take advantage of that. I to the chamber, we joined the chamber. ⁓ And then that led me to an opportunity for leadership Catawba. We live in Catawba County. I was like, let me try this. was, you know, a small time investment in the big picture. And that introduced me to people in our area that I was like, you're   I can lean on you now and I can use you as a resource. How can we work together? Then I was just learned so much about our county and the riches of it, like what sets this county apart. And I was like, I love that. That's what we try to do in our business. So then, you know, as you learn about your surroundings and how like the local government works, you can start to make those contacts and start to go to those people and then you become a source to them as well. ⁓   So in that, I learned about other opportunities. took an HR class at our local, our community college. I was like, I should probably know some like legit HR stuff, right? Right? Like before we build this giant dental practice. So that led me to the community college, which the HR class was in the furniture academy. So that led me to a relationship where in a big furniture area where they were custom building as they were teaching students creating furniture for a dental practice. So.   That opened up a community door. Then we started with the building. The whole purpose of buying a building bigger than we need it is so we can put that vision forward and ⁓ create a big collaborative space. But in doing so within our own space, we did create a large conference room, a little kind of event space that we've welcomed Hickory Football Club in. are soccer teams, we've had Girl Scouts in, we've had other nonprofits in.   It's kind of become a space that we can host and collaborate with the community and welcome them into our space. I kind of love that. I think it's been the curiosity and kind of just little incremental like, cool, this sounds cool. I'm going to do this. And then that leads to so much. And we were even just saying like the whole like our building is so big. Like we have an area that we actually offer like a nonprofit in the area to come. were they were losing their space and they came here and it's led to so now I feel so fulfilled that I'm   helping someone in a way that's not dentistry, which I never thought I would do. And so it just feels good to like given that way that we never imagined and it's led to so much more. So I think that curiosity is led to that. That's where with Jeff, like he really is like so amazing at being good, being, he's living by that example, right? Like he's gonna be here every day. He's gonna be put in the work. He's gonna do all these things and he's inspired now that he did the leadership we've sent.   one of our other staff member or team members. And then we've got a third one that's about to go to leadership Katawba. So it's just kind of led to a lot of inspiration for the people around us. And yeah, I think that the more you can kind of be there for others and let others kind of lean on you, it's just really, like that sense of community is there. And I think that's where too, you kind of start realizing you're not there for everyone and everyone's not going to love me as a dentist, but I get, there'll be enough, right? There's enough people. yeah. And we feel good about what we're doing.   And we know we're raising people up and it's raising us up too. So, and I think it's really important to ⁓ provide opportunities, like learning opportunities outside the practice, because that's where connections really get made.   Kiera Dent (16:41) Yeah.   I Jeff, was just I agree with you, Andrew. What I was hearing, I'm like, I always am listening for like, what's the pattern? What's the silver lining? Like what really sets you apart? And I think Jeff, it was truly hearing the curiosity and also the drive to be the best. Like I should go learn HR. Like this is a zone I'm gapped in. And instead of it being like, well, let's just like find some for you. Like, no, I'm going to go learn. I'm going to hunker in. Then I'm going to figure out how I need to delegate this out. And I have a sign over here from Gandhi that we've given our leaders this year and it's   Jeff & Andrew (17:15) Mm-hmm.   Kiera Dent (17:20) A sign of a good leader is not how many followers you have, but how many leaders you create. And I think, Jeff, that's something you're doing really incredibly well of creating more leaders around you and rising more people up around you. And Andrew, the same thing for you. You're rising these doctors up around you. You're bringing your team up with you. And I think it's so beautiful to see. So I'm just really proud of both of you. And it's like, it's just such a fun thing to be able to give back to both of you and to just highlight how many amazing things you have.   My last question for us tonight is where you're wrapping up is what's next? Like what's next on the radar? Like business-wise, personal-wise, like we built this, we had this vision, but I believe like if we stop dreaming and we stop evolving, then we stop growing as well. It does not have to be large, Andrew. You don't have to have like a huge next, like we're building ⁓ a city. I could see you coming up to that big, all right, Jeff, we're like build our own city now. But like what's next? Like what's in the next like one, two, five years?   What's it looking like for your practice, for each other, where you guys at? And I'll let anybody take this on. What's next for you guys?   Jeff & Andrew (18:21) Yeah, well, think for, well, I did want to say one more thing about ⁓ inspiring leaders, because I we were talking about associates. But another thing that I have to always bring up is my mom was a single mom, four kids, because you were talking about ⁓ our parents earlier. And so single mom, four kids. She was also a dental assistant. So I think I grew up around dentistry. I grew up with a mom that wasn't making a lot of money for what she did. So I appreciate so much our team and my assistants.   I don't leave a room without thanking them for what they did in front of the patient. So that's probably the most important thing I've taught ⁓ our associate is to always be thankful for the people that are helping you do what you do. So I think living every day and coming into work with that mentality is super helpful. So I wanna keep that.   Kiera Dent (19:08) that and I'm also gonna say Jeff you had no hope when you met Andrew there was no hope for you to get out of dentistry like mom, family, his life, if you were destined for dentistry when you and Andrew met so I love that I'm like wow now hearing your mom I was like ⁓ he he saw you from a mile away not only did he like fall in love with you but he's like ⁓ this his life to be changed forever   Jeff & Andrew (19:12) Yeah, I know. Yeah.   I should have saw that coming. Yeah, he was. He's going right in.   Yeah. Yeah. I was like, need that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.   Yeah. So yeah, I think my, my next goal will be to help us find a new associate. So our daughter parks and I both are super busy now or both feeling like, gosh, it would be really nice to be able to take some time off and not feel like we're putting the other one in our tough pickle. You know? So we also have a lot of great things to teach our next associate and, ⁓   I think what used to scare our team is to think about that growth. And now our team feels empowered to be like, we're not so sure about that person. They speak up and they're our guardians. So I think what's really cool is like, I've kind of let some of this go and now I get to really focus on my dentistry and learning more and what can I improve? What do we wanna bring into the office to offer more patients or how can we be better every day? So, yeah.   Kiera Dent (20:18) Amazing. I   love that. Okay, that's what it's on for Andrew. Jeff, what about for you? What's next for Jeff's world?   Jeff & Andrew (20:24) a vacation in two weeks. We got one planned. got do. We do. Yes. It's our first two week vacation ever in my life. I'm really nervous. Yeah.   Kiera Dent (20:26) Yeah, where you wanna go?   Like be so excited. You should listen to all the other podcasts. I'm always like, owners, we need leave because if you don't leave, can't find the gaps in your practice. So like, this is the best thing to do. So don't freak out, Andrew. Just realize you're doing your business the best service. You're leaving. You can see the gaps. You can fix them when you come home. Yeah. That's how I justify it. like, no, the business needs me to leave, obviously.   Jeff & Andrew (20:39) Yeah. I know.   Yeah. Yeah. Okay.   I like it. Yes, that's great. Yeah. Yeah.   And I will say, I feel excited now because I can see people knowing that we're leaving. Everybody's making sure everybody they're looking ahead at the schedule. They're making sure I get people in that I want to see Megan. Sure, everything's going to be OK. And it's just awesome. I used to stress so much about taking a day off and then now to know like we're about to take two weeks off. It's really amazing.   Kiera Dent (21:19) Amazing. Okay. Well, I think that's good. Just like we need this. I need this. You need to shut it off and we're not talking about history.   Jeff & Andrew (21:25) I wouldn't do it without.   I wouldn't have done it without him. That's another big thing, right? So he's pushed me. I'm like, Jeff, are we okay to do this? Like, that's another thing I probably would not have said to I know I need to write. So you kind of need those people to help kind of make you see the other side and say, okay, we're okay. And we do need it. And everyone has told me that like, I know you're thinking you don't need it or that you are going to stress out, but you're going to come back so invigorated and so excited.   Kiera Dent (21:49) always tell everybody the best things I do for my business are when I do what I call white noise time. And I check out what I do, Andrew and Jeff, you guys might take my tip. I literally don't turn my phone on at all. So like no one can connect me. If I go out of the country, I do not connect to wifi. It's a smidge creepy for my family. So like Jason usually turns it on. And then I get angry for about two days. So I'm like detoxing of having like everything. And I'm like mad at Jason. I feel like I'm putting time out. I feel so angry that I've just got to sit here and read a stupid book.   Jeff & Andrew (22:06) Hahaha! ⁓   Yeah.   You   Kiera Dent (22:20) once the adrenaline's   gone, I'm like, ⁓ and then my best ideas actually show up. So, better or for worse, get ready, Jeff. He'll probably come home with like million ideas, but, and you should probably have alarms that like you're only allowed to talk down the street for like one hour a day. Like that's it, because of course it'll like come up, but it's also shocking when I did that last summer, Jason and I, took a whole month off and I'm like,   Jeff & Andrew (22:25) Weird. Yeah, that's awesome.   Probably.   Kiera Dent (22:44) I don't actually know what to talk to you about if we don't talk dentistry. So I had to like, refine myself, refine our relationship of like, what do we do beyond dentistry? This is helpful. So anyway, okay, going on a week trip, where are going?   Jeff & Andrew (22:47) I   We're going to Sweden for two weeks. Yeah, we're excited.   Kiera Dent (22:58) I'm so ⁓   Jeff & Andrew (23:04) I that. I'll be too. For like a minute.   Be prepared.   Yeah.   So I think we there's a there's something we want to do internally that we've been kind of mulling over and kind of taking a couple steps to we brought somebody on that I think we can actually elevate and help create this. So it's a it's a younger team member and he's got really good skills ⁓ with the lane that we want.   him to go down. So we kind of want to empower him to build this, ⁓ not for us, but with us, ⁓ and kind of create this position for himself. And kind of, it would be job sustainability, know, and have him, elevate him to build a team under him as well. ⁓ At the same time, you know, we want to   Kiera Dent (23:57) Yeah.   Totally.   Jeff & Andrew (24:14) We need to fill the rest of our building. We've, ⁓ we're working with some nonprofits. brought one in, we have two more suites to go. And, ⁓ so I want to continue that and make sure, ⁓ one thing that we're not like putting for lease signs out there. want to make sure that, you know, serves our vision and serves the community, the people that come in. and we were also, you know, we have our own building to create something. So I don't know, there's a lot.   Kiera Dent (24:45) amazing. I do too. I need to... I was gonna say this is where you need the vacation Andrew and Jeff so you like shut it down all the great but I my best idea the podcast literally came when I was hiking Half Dome Yosemite like I'm not even talking about work and I was like this is a great idea I should do that so here we are like five years later but   Jeff & Andrew (24:45) I see a lot in the future. All good things. Lots of dreamings needed.   Yeah. That's it.   Yeah, yeah They're kind of like just   waiting and I think you're right I think this little white noise period could just be like, there they all are. I totally agree   Kiera Dent (25:14) It really   happens. It's weird. And I feel like as owners, we are in such a grind, like we don't know how to shut it off. But when we do, I'm like, that's when the best ideas show up. Like best ideas hit us in like when we wake up in the morning or when we're in the shower or when we're on a run or when we're on a hike or, I'm like, okay, so clearly I need to schedule more of that in consistently. So that way my best ideas can show up and we can keep evolving. But guys, you should be so proud of yourself. Like go enjoy that vacation. I'm so excited for you to go to Sweden.   the chocolate, please. mean, you hear it. But, ⁓ but no, just as as someone who's watched you evolve, I hope you guys just take in like, the kudos. I hope everybody listening, you're hearing like how they went through this, how they built their vision. And the thing I think I really glean from today's podcast are one, you two really lean on each other as a very safe duo of you two trust each other. You're in your lanes, you allow each other to be experts, you allow the like, nerdiness of either side to come out and you love that about the other person.   Also like really being true to yourselves, to your vision and building an entire team around you. I think so many people are scared to be themselves. And Jeff, thank you for sharing like agreed being gay, being different, having a different maybe, especially with the town you're in. I think that that was probably a big step and leap for you, but to stay true to who you are and you'll find that you will attract your tribe. You'll attract in the people that want to be a part of it ⁓ and not being afraid to share that. So I'm just so proud of you guys.   I am so grateful you came on. It was so fun to highlight you, to share about you. Are there any last things you guys wanna leave as we wrap up today? I'll start with Jeff first. Last thoughts, anything you wanna add to today?   Jeff & Andrew (26:48) Yeah, I just want to make sure that ⁓ you, Dental A team and Tiffany are really recognize, like understand your value because at every step of the way, you guys were always there for us. I could pick up the phone, Tiffany will pick it, she'll answer. It could be about plumbing. It could be about team. It could be about operations. You guys are always there for us consistently every step of the way. If you don't have an answer.   You know, we brainstorm and we are like, okay, or you'll find it. You know, it's, I couldn't thank you guys enough. You did. I tell you every time, but it's true. You guys changed my life, both of our lives, honestly, ⁓ for the better. And we wouldn't be here today if we didn't have your encouragement, your support, and your backing behind us this whole time. So from the bottom of my heart, thank you, Kiara. Thank you, Tiffany. Thank you, Den-L-A team.   Yes, thank you, Tiffany. Thank you. Thank you both for everything. Tell a team we were like so it like a pretty shit for you guys here. Like I remember we were talking about earlier meeting senior on the plane, giving you the brownie brittle. And I think I go back to like our first couple meetings and I I think you guys were like the first. No, you were the first that helped us not just see like when we were doing like team meetings about dentistry. It also was how does this relate to your personal?   Kiera Dent (27:46) Thank you.   Jeff & Andrew (28:15) And I think that's where the that could have been the switch you were asking about earlier. Sorry, it took me this long to realize that's what I love. That was the switch because it went from like, what can I teach you about dentistry to like, how can we all just live better lives? How can we come to work and be happy? How can you go home and use what you're learning here with your your house? And I think every time Tiffany comes in, we talk sometimes more about personal things going on at home and how this relates to work. And it's really just made that our culture. And I think   whether it's me and my weight loss, that's something too. lost 90 pounds three years or four years ago now. that's, thank you. And that's kind of led to like we did a whole weight loss program with our whole staff. Like we learned nutrition and like we made things not about just dentistry, but like how we all can just live better lives. And I think that's really what's kind of just blown us up. So thank you so much for all of that.   Kiera Dent (28:48) look amazing, Andrew, like, amazing.   proud mama over here and just huge like thank you because to hear clients, to hear people that we didn't know prior to dentistry, like dentistry is our platform, life is our passion and to hear that you're thriving, that you are these amazing humans that are fulfilled, that is what we want. We don't want just dentistry. Like I said dentistry is our platform, life is our passion and so   And like, Andrew, I saw you I was like, my gosh, you look like so great. And Jeff, you just look vibrant and you've gone through so many pieces and yet you're still smiling. You're still happy. You still, like you said, it's life. This is what it is. And we just get lucky enough to find each other through dentistry. So thank you for being a part of our family. Tiff's been incredible. And I'm just excited for like the next level and to continue to watch you guys flourish. Like I said, my biggest passion is making the best people have the best lives and truly win. So thanks for being on the podcast. I appreciate it.   Jeff & Andrew (29:56) Thank you.   Kiera Dent (29:57) you. ⁓   Jeff & Andrew (29:58) Thank you for having us.   Kiera Dent (30:00) of course. And for all of you listening, I hope you were inspired today by Jeff and Andrew. They're people that have inspired me and I hope you saw yourself through the writing in the fabric of their story to see the things that are possible from Jeff not feeling like he even knew how to be into dentistry to running this huge practice and inspiring people to Andrew growing and evolving and bringing on things that he never thought were possible.   I hope all of you see the potential within yourselves and ⁓ I'd love to be a part of your story and your journey. So reach out, Hello@TheDentalATeam.com. And as always, thanks for listening and I'll catch you next time on The Dental Team A Podcast.   Jeff & Andrew (30:32) Thank you.  

This one's a little different—no guests, no live race calls—just me sharing the full story of how I went from a bullied high school runner to a thru-hiker to an ultra runner trying to get comfortable being uncomfortable.I talk about quitting school to hike the Pacific Crest Trail, building a monster endurance base through FKTs and 8,000-mile slogs, and how I've had to completely rewire my brain and body to embrace faster, higher-effort racing. We hit on pacing, fueling, treadmill hiking, crew control issues (yes, I admit it), and why I “Jeff” everything in life.Plus, I talk about my weird obsession with making my own drink mix, being risk-averse in ultras, and how training for Cocodona (year 5!) is going. There's a bunch of insight here—especially if you're a thru-hiker looking at ultras, or an ultra runner wondering what lessons the long trails can teach.Oh—and we start by breaking some actual running news: Des Linden is coming for the 50-mile world record at Tunnel Hill. So yeah, this episode really has it all.Support our sponsors Janji.com and GarageGrownGear.comStay elite, my friends.takeawaysDes Linden is making waves in ultra running.Pacing strategies are crucial for ultra marathons.Nutrition needs differ between ultra running and thru-hiking.Sleep and recovery are vital for performance.Problem-solving is key in unsupported races.The importance of adapting training for specific events.The balance between endurance and speed is essential.Chapters00:00 Breaking News in Ultra Running01:11 Jeff's Journey to Ultra Running06:25 Pacing Strategies for Ultra Races12:10 Nutrition: Fueling for Performance20:13 Sleep, Recovery, and Problem Solving Mindset

What did you think of House of the Dragon? I know D makes his point for it's greatness, but I (Jeff) still maintain it's on the boring side and perhaps a little poorly written.  But maybe I'm still upset about D's take on Deadpool, who knows

On the eve of Saddleback's ouster from the Southern Baptist Convention, Rick Warren marched through a long conversation with me and Jonny. Rick talks about that in this episode. It's obvious he's not happy about it, but as always he remains gracious. Undaunted by rejection, Rick is focused on his new calling, as the leader of FTT, Finishing The Task. He is pushing ahead to see what we in the Christian and Missionary Alliance call Great Commission Completion! Rick recently finished his pastoral ministry of 43 years at Saddleback.  I (Jeff) was at his conference in 1997, when I was 34 and he was 43.  At that time Saddleback was 17 years old and 13,000 in attendance. They would more than double in the next 25 years.You can find everything Rick is up to, with all the links, at PastorRick.com!Rick is a teacher, coach, and adviser of pastors - you will get A LOT out of this episode! Enjoy!

I (Jeff) have been brooding through Jeremiah. It bothers me. The people, how they so easily and willfully turn away from God, from their source of life, and set themselves up for such judgment!What really bothers me is how much I am like them. That's what I want to talk with you about today...Support the showFor more great content and conversations for pastors, check out the over 400 episodes of the 200churches Podcast!

This is part of a short series of episodes in which I look back on stuff I (Jeff) wrote in the past and reflect on ways my thinking might have changed, and what I might want to reject. In this episode, while I generally stand by my take on the history of thought within the Genevan Academy, under the rectorship of Theodore Beza (John Calvin's right hand man), I explore ways in which I didn't see how much the form or style of theology he propagated has had negative, unintended consequences on Western culture, especially that of American Christian culture. As always, feel free to skip this if it doesn't interest you. We'll be back with more playful stuff in weeks to come.

This week we talk about rationality and what that means... and then I (Jeff) share the most fun topic yet in these 43 episodes. Its about advertising... and I bought a thing off eBay to make it happen.

The Church Planting Textbook for the Modern Era has been released. Peyton Jones' Church Plantology is out, and with it comes years of insight and experience wrapped up as a readable resource. But what does this mean for digital only expressions? Peyton and I (Jeff) were hanging out in a RCA (Reformed Church in America) webinar the day before this recording having a fun conversation centered around digital church planting… so much so we ended up doing a whole other conversation on this podcast centered around the impact and effectiveness of digital church planting. Thinking about planting a Physical/Phygital/Digital-Only Church? This is for you. Complete Show Notes and Online Video Available at THECHURCH.DIGITAL --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/thechurchdigital/message

Our first guest! Edward Ulm from Science of Touch joins us and shares his journey from athlete to chronic pain to exercise science to his discovery of bodywork and how it's helped him travel the world. Before we get into the episode, we each offer our perspective as manual therapists on the rise in anti-Asian hate crimes and white supremacist terrorism in the US. Red Canary Song is an organization that I (Jeff) believe is deserving of your support. You can find more about Eddie at Science Of Touch. He shares a lot of valuable (and free!) information through his newsletter and on his Instagram page. Follow Bori on Instagram at: @bori_suranyi_lmt Follow Jeff on Instagram at: @justbreathemanualtherapy

Pre-COVID, very few churches were doing groups online. Now as a result of social distancing, churches had to onboard their groups very quickly to digital methods. Interestingly though, as we're coming out of the COVID and getting back to the building, some churches report up to 90% of their groups are staying online. So, since our groups are staying Phygital, let's talk about how to give our groups purpose. In a recent webinar I (Jeff) did with Gloo we talked specifically about strategies to get our groups on mission... multiplying... So many challenges for 2021's church. So many opportunities for ministry not of large masses, but of smaller individuals. This is the heart behind this conversation to get our Phygital Groups to Multiply. Complete Show Notes and Online Video Available at THECHURCH.DIGITAL --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/thechurchdigital/message

Originally recorded 2019:I (Jeff) for a long time have wanted to talk to Luke in-depth about C.S. Lewis' science fiction series, the Space Trilogy. Luke has a deep love for this series of books, and I've wanted to understand it a little better with his help. Here's our first attempt. Instead of reading it, I try my best at retelling the story, chapter by chapter. This is chapter one of the first book in the series called "Out of the Silent Planet." After that Luke shares his thoughts, and we walk through them, as well as bits and pieces of the chapter together. The book we're retelling: https://www.amazon.com/Silent-Planet-...

After several minutes of relatively serious content, Roger takes the podcast down a not-so-serious path. For those wanting a podcast that is nothing but wall-to-wall solid Biblical teaching, I (Jeff) apologize for my brother. 

Jeff Haden (1,1 mln followersów na LI) zadał pytanie, jakie są najlepsze pytania rekrutacyjne związane z pracą zdalną. Podzielił się najlepszymi 6 pytaniami w artykule na Inc.com. A ponieważ poszukiwanie pracy zdalnej i rekrutacja zdalna jest teraz jedyną właściwie drogą rekrutacji - postanowiłem Wam przybliżyć te pytania. A jakie pytania (wg Was) są tymi, które powinny pojawić się na rozmowie rekrutacyjnej o pracy zdalnej? A może takie już usłyszeliście lub zadaliście je osobiście kandydatowi? #wykuwam #piotrekdobrarada #remoteonly #pracazdalna #rekrutacja Link do odcinka na YouTube https://youtu.be/loFqq_yXyzc Moja strona internetowa https://piotr-konopka.pl Strona firmowa https://www.innothink.com.pl Mój LinkedIn https://linkedin.com/in/konopka Mój mail piotr.konopka@innothink.com.pl Moje podcasty https://podfollow.com/piotrek-dobra-rada/view Link do podcastu https://pod.fo/e/25c19 Artykuł będący inspiracją https://www.inc.com/jeff-haden/6-interview-questions-to-ask-every-remote-work-job-candidate-covid-edition.html SoundCloud https://soundcloud.com/piotr-konopka-286414158/piotrek-dobra-rada-odc-95-top6-pytan-rekrutacyjnych-w-pracy-zdalnej iTunes https://podcasts.apple.com/pl/podcast/piotrek-dobra-rada/id1513135345 Spotify https://open.spotify.com/show/6bu6ZEMBKJAd2LMLr7ABKP Transkrypcja poniżej Cześć. Nazywam się Piotrek Konopka i witam Was w kolejnym, 95 już odcinku z cyklu Piotrek Dobra Rada mówi o pracy zdalnej. Dzisiaj powiem kilka słów na temat tego, jakie możecie zadawać pytania w trakcie rekrutacji, właśnie wynikające ze specyfiki pracy zdalnej. Szukając inspiracji do tego odcinka, przeglądałem stronę Inc.com i przykuł moją uwagę artykuł popełniony przez Jeffa Hadena. Jest to pisarz, ghostwriter tak naprawdę, który napisał ponad 60 książek, z czego (jak się chwali) 7 z nich znajduje się na liście TOP1 najlepiej sprzedających się, w swoich kategoriach, książek na Amazonie. Także to jest bardzo duże osiągnięcie. Ma dosyć dużo followersów na LinkedInie, bo ta liczba przekroczyła już 1.000.000. Równocześnie jest też mówcą na TEDexie, i jak pisze o sobie, jest również zapalonym miłośnikiem jazdy motocyklem po różnego górach i pagórkach Jeff Haden zadał pytanie do miliona swoich obserwujących i otrzymał bardzo dużo odpowiedzi. A to pytanie brzmiało: “Jakie pytanie zadajesz w trakcie rozmowy rekrutacyjnej, tak żeby zrozumieć, jak człowiek pracuje w modelu zdalnym?”. I Jeff wybrał kilka najciekawszych odpowiedzi, które równocześnie zebrały najwięcej komentarzy pod spodem. I dzisiaj właśnie chciałbym wam opowiedzieć o tym, jakie pytania ludzie zadają, właśnie w trakcie procesów rekrutacyjnych. Pierwszy temat związany jest z tym, jak jest ustrukturyzowany twój harmonogram pracy. Co powoduje, że pozostajesz skupionym? Jeżeli pracujesz zdalnie, to jaka jest jedna rzecz, która powoduje u ciebie najwięcej problemów? To pytanie pokazuje, jak człowiek potrafi pracować, jak umie sobie narzucić swoje własne ramy. Co ważniejsze, tu został dodany dopisek, że w trakcie zadawania / czy osoba zadająca takie pytanie, wymaga rozmowy rekrutacyjnej prowadzonej przy użyciu kamerki, a nie tylko przy użyciu telefonu czy połączenia głosowego, bo chciałaby zobaczyć, jak rekrutowany radzi sobie właśnie z pracą zdalną. Drugim tematem, który jest poruszany i który wywoływał najwięcej komentarzy, jest “Co robisz, żeby twój team był zaangażowany i żeby relacje między nimi istniały i żeby ta współpraca nabierała jakiś bardziej realnych kształtów, właśnie w trakcie pracy zdalnej?” To jest pytanie, które może być skierowane zarówno do menedżerów wyższego, średniego szczebla, jak i osób zarządzających zespołami projektowymi w modelu rozproszonym, niezależnie od tego, czy większość z tych ludzi znajduje się w domach czy pracuje w różnych lokalizacjach.

Grab some coffee and join us for this episode- "Current Events in the Middle East and Noah" In the first segment of this episode Neil and I (Jeff) share some current events about our show's premise- Israel-Why is the Middle East Important? In the second segment, we continue on our journey about the Five most important people in God's Plan: Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, and Jesus. Yes, they are all Men, but it's not about that. There are of course many important women in the Bible. These Five people were uniquely positioned with unique roles in God's Plan that had these roles not been fulfilled we would not be here NOW.

Not even COVID-19 could stop this slow bullet train of podcast episodes describing the process of one man trying to make an album! No way! In this 3rd episode of the series, I (Jeff) discuss how the coronavirus has changed my day to day life (spoiler: not a whole lot). Then I move on to discuss the state of the album at this point. YEA! Hope everyone is staying safe out there! I hope this episode can be a mild relief for you. Jeff Grant's Evolving Podcast is available on SoundCloud, iTunes, Stitcher, Spotify and Google Play Music. For information on how YOU can support this podcast visit www.patreon.com/evolvingpodcast

One of the things that I (Jeff) love about Church Online is that we are basically learning about all of this, together. Big churches, small churches, traditional churches, charismatic churches… we're all exploring this same space of being church, digitally. The best part is instead of being territorial, we work together and learn together. Some of the happiest times I've had in the past year is sitting at a coffeehouse or restaurant with ministry people, and just learning from each other's experience. This is the experience that we're bringing to you with The Church Digital Podcast. We're bringing in five different online ministers from around the country… different denominations, strategies, and sizes… from a gigachurch all the way down to a church plant… all with the goal of learning from one another. And you, listening audience, get to come along for the ride. Interested in jumping into a cohort like this, where we can learn from one another? THECHURCH.DIGITAL is setting up Coaching Cohorts, putting Church Online people together to learn from each other, just like this. For information on our Coaching Cohorts, check out thechurch.digital/cohort. COMPLETE SHOW NOTES AVAILABLE AT THECHURCH.DIGITAL --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/thechurchdigital/message

I (Jeff) used to consider myself innovative. Then I met Daniel. While most kids were running away from church, Daniel at age 11 was trying to figure out how to plant a church in a video game platform known as Roblox, and over eight years later his church has impacted over 24,000 lives. Even today, as a 19 year old college student, Daniel is still making strides with how to grow and stabilize his Robloxian Church. Looking for a fresh perspective on Gen Z? Check out The Church Digital Podcast. COMPLETE SHOW NOTES AVAILABLE AT THECHURCH.DIGITAL --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/thechurchdigital/message

I (Jeff) believe this to be true: In the future, bigger churches will continue to get bigger; but smaller churches will continue to get smaller. And that may not be a bad thing. The mega churches will find a way to succeed. Despite recent attendance trends, the church-growth formulas will continue to succeed. There are people who will continue to connect with these larger, physical expressions of church. To reach different people, however, maybe we should be thinking about a different model. This is where Micro-church comes in. Micro is a discipleship-oriented movement where the church empowers people to be the shepherd, the campus pastor, to lead smaller movements of church. Rather than paying a pastor to be the spiritual overseer for hundreds or thousands of people, the Micro-movement empowers “normal people” to be the volunteer pastor over dozens of people. A model far easier to scale, and most would say the Micro model is closer to the Biblical account of what the church is. There's different flavors of the micro model. Through this podcast we talk with churches who are having success with the micro model. So how does Micro complete the ministry of Church Online? How is Micro an effective model for evangelism and discipleship? What are some steps you can take at your church to start a micro movement? Find out in this discussion with Rob Wegner & others here on The Church Digital Podcast. COMPLETE SHOW NOTES AVAILABLE AT THECHURCH.DIGITAL --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/thechurchdigital/message

Church Online definitely has strengths and weaknesses, but the power to train and to equip someone is unparalleled. But why do we struggle with the concept of equipping and discipling someone using Online Technologies? Enter personal friend, Ken Schafer, into the conversation. Ken works with churches around the country helping create equipping scenarios in physical environments, as well as, online… and I (Jeff) credit Ken as being one of those guys who years ago told me, “Jeff, you're wrong” but years later now says, “Jeff, you're right.” So when did Ken see the light? What got him to embrace Online? Come find out in EP024 of The Church Digital Podcast! COMPLETE SHOW NOTES AVAILABLE AT THECHURCH.DIGITAL --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/thechurchdigital/message

Here's my question: "Can 'church' work in virtual reality?" To be honest, I (Jeff) went in a skeptic. To find out the truth, we interviewed DJ Soto, the first Church Planter in Virtual Reality, for a conversation on the theology of Virtual Reality. Midway thru the interview, I realized that this was completely the wrong question to be asking. God moves in virtual reality, and DJ's got the stories... the testimonies... to show it! So, seriously, how can Virtual Reality create disciples? Listen to the interview and find out. COMPLETE SHOW NOTES AVAILABLE AT THECHURCH.DIGITAL. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/thechurchdigital/message

Rich and son Jared You'd think after 222 episodes we would know our equipment through and through, and all the steps for recording would be deeply ingrained in our minds. Alas, NO. I (Jeff) messed up the audio on parts of this otherwise very excellent episode. Please pardon my blunder. (If you would like a written apology, just send me a self-addressed, stamped envelope and a check for $22.30.

Love video games? Love discipleship? Sharing your faith? Thinking outside the box? This is your episode. Until Jate Earhart, I (Jeff) don't think I've ever seen the words "discipleship" and "video game" in a sentence together. Jate, in his 20s, runs a video game ministry called Love Clan that disciples those involved to share their faith, encouraging those engaged to not only evangelize, but to disciple, on-going relationships for Christ. Powerful stuff right? My favorite part of the episode is talking innovation. While Jate works at a church, his ministry is not directly supported or run by a church. There's no master plan. No funding. No directive. This is a story of a man who is passionate about video games, and Jesus, and wants to bridge them together. Honestly I never thought God could use video games for His glory. After this episode I see how that limits God. Come. Learn. Be encouraged. And ask yourself what are you passionate about that God can use? SHOW NOTES AVAILABLE ON THECHURCH.DIGITAL. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/thechurchdigital/message

I (Jeff) first heard of Church Anywhere about a year ago, meeting Tyler on Facebook. I immediately fell in love with his Church. First Capital Christian is many things. Big is not one of them. Cordon, Indiana is a town of about 3000 people, yet the church is reaching 800-900 a week in "an old building on the wrong side of town". Almost 30% of the town attends church. Scary stat right there... How did this happen? According to Tyler Sansom, a digital strategy empowering people with the Gospel through Church Online. First Capital has launched 14 different micro-locations within two hours of their campus, and in the process is discipling leaders with the Gospel to impact their city for Christ. COMPLETE SHOW NOTES AVAILABLE ON THECHURCH.DIGITAL Interested in a firsthand experience of Church Anywhere? First Capital Christian is doing one of the first CHURCH ONLINE conferences ever. More information at CHURCHONLINE.ME - By the way, Jeff will be one of the keynote speakers at the Conference! So come out and show some support. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/thechurchdigital/message

This is the first Solo episode of Shareable. In this episode, I (Jeff) go through what I think is the secret to being a great podcast host. This is the simple ingredient that I think allows me to conduct interviews regardless of whether or not I know my guest particularly well.  If you’ve been thinking of starting a podcast, or just want to learn the skills of productive conversation and interviewing, don’t miss this episode.

This is the first Solo episode of Shareable. In this episode, I (Jeff) go through what I think is the secret to being a great podcast host. This is the simple ingredient that I think allows me to conduct interviews regardless of whether or not I know my guest particularly well.  If you've been thinking of starting a podcast, or just want to learn the skills of productive conversation and interviewing, don't miss this episode.

Chris Charpentier has one of the craziest day jobs in comedy history, and it factors heavily into his Exit Strategy™. A little about Chris, he loves Colorado, and will not put up with Utah's bullshit. He's got a little fashion advice for all you listeners as well, so wise up and download this episode! All your favorite podcasts say it, but are you actually doing it? Rate, review, and subscribe to the show to ensure it shoots up to the top of iTunes charts! Also, I (Jeff) personally would love to hear from our listeners. Get in touch with the show through Twitter at (@exitstrategypod) or email us at exitstrategypod@gmail.com

With show #20 with Jeff and I - Jeff shares some great information that he got from our mutual friend, Jeremy Todd's podcast. Sit back and listen to the points that Jeff found in Jeremy's show - it's pure gold. Find out more from Jeremy Todd and this show here: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/paul-cummings-it-all-matters-level-10-life/id1200318814?i=1000400601899&mt=2

First off, we're not going to try apologizing for anything. Because we're the Coalition.Second, we're really sorry that we've gone a month and a half without posting anything.This was partially due to the fact that I (Jeff) have been sick for the better part of that time, as well as the fact that NaNoWriMo was going on at the same time, thus sucking up time that a lot of people in our hobby have.So, here we are in mid/late December. Yay. However, I do think this one is worth the wait.Hope you enjoy!Happy Holidays, denizens of the Coalition!

Greetings, Citizens!First, to address the elephant in the room, no. We haven't disappeared. You know your coalition government far better than that. That real-life monster reared its ugly head again and prevented me from getting time to edit the podcast. But here we are! Hopefully we can get back on track.So, we've been asked several times (hi, Dave.) if we could do some more actual roleplaying in our episodes. Naturally, being dumb, I (Jeff) thought that meant y'all wanted some actual play episodes. Now, don't worry; those aren't going anywhere. So if you like the CDAPS episodes, you'll still get those on an alternating basis. But in this episode, we took things in a different direction.Random character generation, random scenario generation and go! You'll have to listen to the episode to get the full effect, but letting the GM run the scenario with a pair of percentile dice and the players using a d20 for everything? Yeah. It was hilarious. And awesome.So enjoy this week's episode, How to Campaign in 90 Seconds!Carry on, Citizens.

Greetings, Citizens!Sorry about the delay in getting this to you. I (Jeff) have noticed that I've been doing an increasingly crappy job putting stuff out as the summer has dragged on (and on, and on and on…).Nevertheless, here is the second half of LOT16, session 8. "Fixed Dirty Fighting."Carry on, Citizens.

Hi, Citizens.We really blew it last month, didn't we? I suppose it was inevitable, what with the end of the school year and all, plus trying to coordinate the schedules of three very busy people. Fortunately, Matt gets to do the coordinating. I (Jeff) just bring the computer and recording equipment.Regardless, I'm sure you heard the news about the Rifts for Savage Worlds Kickstarter, which successfully funded (with over 54 times what they were aiming for). To be sure, it's an amazing time to be a fan of Rifts or any Palladium Books game.Basically, we just spend a good share of the time geeking out about the fun times we've had in Savage Worlds systems, and things like that. It's a total nerdfest. But hey, that's what makes us fun, right? And Maddy's here, so she keeps Matt and I under control. Mostly.Carry on, citizens!

Pastor Michael Nations from Clyde, NC joins Jeff and Jonny LIVE in the 200churches Podcast Studio! Michael is the founding director of www.TheVitalInitiative.com and is making a difference encouraging small church pastors! We have a new friend! As Michael talked, we resonated with his heart as though he were the 3rd missing brother in the 200churches line-up. I (Jeff) met Michael at the Big Little Church Conference in Portland. We had an absolute blast!

Greetings, Citizens!So, first things first. Let's set the record straight. There are perfectly good explanations as to why we've not posted anything for such a long time. So the first: two weeks ago, I (Jeff) was going to post another CDAPS episode, but I had a seizure, and that threw pretty much everything off for me. It sucks, but they happen. Then in the middle of last week, I was planning to buckle down and get this episode ready and posted, I had a niece. She's cute as a bug, too.Anyway, here we are again. We have the wonderful Maddy, the tolerable Matt and the insufferable Jeff in the CS broadcasting studio to discuss various aspects of cliques within roleplaying games and why they tend to pop up. Along with that, you'll get a taste of some of the epic fails we've seen as gamers and GMs in the past, too.Again, I'm sorry about the delays. As fans of Palladium, we shouldn't be strangers to it, but it's still no fun when it happens. I'll try to do better in the future. (Kevin, please don't take that the wrong way. Love your stuff, keep it coming :) )Carry on, Citizens!