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In this episode AJW cracks a brew with Jeff Garmire to talk about his incredible self-supported FKT on the Appalachian Trail in 2025, his 6 year streak at the Cocodona 250, and his reflections on the current state of the sport. Follow Jeff on instagram @thefreeoutside Check out the film about his 2025 FKT here
Learn about our Patreon Offers!: https://www.patreon.com/DistancetoEmptyPod Get some free DTE Swag by supporting out sponsors!https://janji.com/pages/distance-to-empty and be sure to select 'podcast' > 'Distance to Empty' on the post purchase "How did you hear about Janji" page. Thank you!Check out Mount to Coast here: https://mounttocoast.com/discount/DistancePart of our miniseries on The Cutoff, the new Aravaipa/Dylan Harris film. Kevin and Peter sit down with Robby Chaney, who describes himself as a runner, hiker, and death marcher, and who has spent more time chasing cutoffs than almost anyone in the sport.Robby's first trail race was a 40K in 2018 that went so badly he wrote off trail running entirely. New shoes he'd never worn, a vest he'd never used, and temperatures over 100 degrees. Then a volunteer request for a race called Cocodona 250 landed in his inbox, and the number stuck in his head. Six years later he has four 200-mile finishes, a starring role in a film about the very thing he's spent his career outrunning, and a 2026 Grand Slam on the calendar.We get into what the back of the pack actually looks like from the inside: 100-plus hour races, aid stations where you turn around and walk straight back out, and the compounding physical, mental, and emotional cost of days on course. Robby also walks us through his 2025 Cocodona, where he made it to roughly mile 220 before his lungs quit on him in Walnut Canyon. Pulse ox in the low 80s, an IV, and a search and rescue extraction. (Peter, who also got to mile 220 and didn't finish, offers a competing explanation for his own DNF: he got tired.)The conversation closes somewhere we didn't expect. In 2002, Robby was stabbed by a stranger and left bleeding on the street. He woke up in the ICU and was told he'd probably never walk again. He used a cane for years. He turned 50 last month and is signed up for close to a thousand miles of racing.In this episode:(01:15) Aspirational ultrarunner: what "death march" actually means(02:26) What people get wrong about the back of the pack(05:41) From a miserable 40K to signing up for a 250(08:25) Coldwater Rumble 2024 and learning what a cutoff is mid-race(11:04) Respecting the cutoff without fearing it(13:37) DNFs as data points, and the trekking poles that cost him Mogollon Monster(16:27) Getting the email from Dylan and Emily, mid-race, on a ridgeline(19:40) What happened in Walnut Canyon(23:37) 2002, the ICU, and the twenty-year road backThe Cutoff is out from Aravaipa. Follow Robby's 2026 season with us.
In what (hopefully) has become an annual UTMB week tradition, Max Jolliffe joins us in our Chamonix studio for another long-form conversation.We discuss insights from his course-record win at Badwater, why he might skip Cocodona next year for a backyard ultra, his continued fascination with the Barkley Marathons, and closes with some reflections on religion and spirituality.Partners:Precision Fuel and Hydration - use code SINGLETRACK at checkout for 15% off your next orderNorda - check out the 005: the lightest, fastest, most stable trail racing shoe ever madeRaide - Making equipment for efficient human-powered movement in the mountains Support the show
Welcome to Freetrail's coverage of the 2026 UTMB hosted in collaboration with the UTMB race for the first time ever! Join us during race week as we discuss the top storylines of this year's race, preview the fields and provide our expert analysis and predictions for the win. All of our shows will be recorded in the studio in the heart of Chamonix just steps from the UTMB start / finish line. You can join us all week on the Freetrail and UTMB YouTube channels! In this interview, Dylan sits down with Rachel Entrekin, 2026 Cocodona 250 champion who is racing UTMB on Friday. Who are you picking for the win? Let us know in the comments! And don't forget to pick your favorite athletes in Freetrail Fantasy at fantasy.freetrail.com for your chance to win sweet prizes from Freetrail and HOKA! Freetrail's UTMB Show Schedule: --Saturday August 22, 2026 - The Top 10 Storylines of the 2026 UTMB --Sunday August 23, 2026 - OCC & CCC Preview Shows --Monday August 24, 2026 - UTMB Preview Show --Tuesday August 25, 2026 - UTMB Final Thoughts & Predictions --Wednesday August 27, 2026 - Champions Show featuring Ludovic Pommeret, Katie Schide, Pau Capell and first ever UTMB men's finisher, Dawa Sherpa --Thursday August 28, 2026 - OCC Recap Show --Saturday August 29, 2026 - UTMB Instant Recap + CCC Results –Sunday August 30, 2026 - UTMB Week Wrap-up Show Starting on Thursday August 20th, we'll also be hosting interviews with top personalities and athletes leading into race week including Jenn Lichter, Francesco Puppi, Molly Seidel, Vincent Bouillard, Ben Dhiman, Riley Brady and much more. You can view our full UTMB race week schedule including additional events and activations at Freetrail.com. You can find HOKA's full UTMB schedule here: https://eu-events.hoka.com/hokautmbmontblanc2026 Make sure to subscribe to the Freetrail YouTube channel and follow us on Instagram @runfreetrail to ensure you stay up to date and don't miss a thing! Our UTMB coverage is brought to you by our good friends at HOKA. We're grateful for their generous support and belief in Freetrail! Make sure to check out the latest and greatest from HOKA, the TECTON x 4, podium-chasing propulsion for technical terrain. Made for trails like in Chamonix! You can learn more and shop here: https://www.hoka.com/en/us/coming-soon/tecton-x-4/1176633.html?dwvar_1176633_color=FNTN Freetrail Links Website | https://freetrail.com/Freetrail Pro | https://freetrail.com/freetrail-pro/ Patreon | https://www.patreon.com/dylanbowman Instagram | https://www.instagram.com/runfreetrail/ YouTube | https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8MKI1xB8YMchI1764zJXHg Freetrail Experts | https://freetrail.com/freetrail-experts/ Dylan Links: Instagram | https://www.instagram.com/dylanbo/ Twitter | https://twitter.com/dylanboLinkedIn | https://www.linkedin.com/in/dylan-bowman-06174380/ Strava | https://www.strava.com/pros/1596921
Learn about our Patreon Offers!: https://www.patreon.com/DistancetoEmptyPod Get some free DTE Swag by supporting out sponsors!https://janji.com/pages/distance-to-empty and be sure to select 'podcast' > 'Distance to Empty' on the post purchase "How did you hear about Janji" page. Thank you!Check out Mount to Coast here: https://mounttocoast.com/discount/DistanceIn this special edition of Distance to Empty, Kevin and Peter sit down with Jen Novobilski, one of the runners featured in The Cutoff, the new film from Dylan Harris and Aravaipa Running.Jen's path to a 250-mile buckle started on a rainy day in Alaska in 2007, when she and a friend bailed on a hike and signed up for a half marathon instead — one minute running, one minute walking. Marathons turned into a 50-states goal, the pandemic turned that into her first 50-miler, and the company she kept did the rest.She talks about finding out mid-race that she'd be in a film (filmmaker Bradford caught her hugging her crew at the start and tracked her down at Crown King), and about only learning last week — from our episode with Jamil and Dylan — that the movie was really about the cutoff all along. Her first reaction was ego. Her second was admiration for how the crew handled it.We get into her 2025 Cocodona 250: roughly five hours of sleep across the whole race, no real dirt nap until past mile 200, hallucinations, a full head-to-toe clothing change in the downpour before Fain Ranch, and snow on Mingus that felt like home. (She did not bring rain pants. Who brings rain pants to the desert?)Jen also breaks down the Skydive Ultra — where the skydive itself counts against your cutoff — and previews her next big swing: the Iditarod Trail Invitational 150, starting days after this recording, with a kid's sled her nieces and nephew decorated and her grandmother sewed the zipper into.At 51, with a regular job and a regular life, her message is simple: if she can do it, so can a lot of other people.In this episode:Accidental ultrarunner: from mountaineering to a rainy-day half marathonAlaska running, sled pulling, and the Susitna 100The Skydive Ultra 100 — bacon, hallucinations, and losing two hours to the jumpGetting recruited into The Cutoff at mile 37The "observer effect" of running with a camera on youSleep deprivation, weather, and why the 2025 Cocodona was the hardest year yetWhy crew and pacers made the finish possibleEscalation, "normalizing Norman" friends, and what's actually being chasedWhat Jen hopes people take away from the film about the back of the pack
Rachel Entrekin is an ultrarunner and three time champion of the Cocodona 250, one of the most demanding ultramarathons in the United States. Known as the "Queen of Cocodona," she became the first woman to win the race outright in 2026, covering more than 250 miles across Arizona in 56 hours, 9 minutes, and 58 seconds while setting a new course record. Connect with Rachel: Instagram If you enjoyed this episode, listen to Winning the Triple Crown of Ultra Running with Courtney Dauwalter Check out REI's 2026 Editors' Choice Awards Thank you to our sponsor: Capital One and the REI Co-op® Mastercard® Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
Joe McConaughy was a college miler who had never raced anything longer than a mile when he Googled "run the Pacific Crest Trail" at 22 years old. 53 days and 2,600 miles later, he held the speed record. Joe De Sena sits down with Joe, a trail runner, coach, race director, and new dad, to break down what actually happens to your body and mind past day 40 of a multi-day speed record, why he spent the final 15 days running on a peg leg after his ankle lost function, and the hallucination at the top of Mount Whitney where an imaginary man named Andre offered to take his watch and finish the record for him. They cover the 50-to-90-percent grind zone where every race is won or lost, how an invisible competitor on a GPS tracker squeezed a stronger finish out of McConaughy than any training block ever could, and why he calls ultra running a silly, selfish sport. Things You Will Learn: Why the middle of every race, from a 5K to a 2,600-mile record attempt, is where performance is decided. Why a D1 college miler with zero ultra experience set a 2,600-mile speed record at 22 and what broke along the way. The differences among short, medium, and long multi-day efforts, and how sleep strategy changes for each. Tools & Frameworks Covered: The 50–90% Grind Zone: Between halfway and 90% of any race distance, you will believe it is impossible or that it will never end. Expect it. Plan for it. Push through it. Internal vs. External Activation" Ninety percent of an ultra is you against yourself. The remaining 10% can unlock performance you cannot access alone. Build external pressure into your race plan. Miles Over Smiles / Smiles Over Miles: The grind is real. The suffering is real. But if the process does not fill your cup on the other side, you will not keep showing up long enough to get good. If this episode moved you, do not just listen. Do something about it. Sign up. Show up. Do the work. Spartan.com. No more excuses. Chapters: 0:00 Intro: Joe McConaughy is a new dad, trail runner, and race director 1:24 From D1 college miler to Googling "run the Pacific Crest Trail" 2:54 2,600 miles in 53 days: How the PCT speed record happened at age 22 5:08 Miles over smiles vs. smiles over miles 6:37 The 50-to-90% grind zone where every race is won or lost 10:01 Joe De Sena's group hallucination 11:57 The 508-mile bike race through Death Valley 15:44 The boogeyman at Big Bear 18:14 Why you fall to your lowest level without external pressure 19:52 Rachel winning Cocodona 250 21:26 How far past homeostasis can you actually push before everything breaks? 22:19 Third attempt on the John Muir Trail FKT and life as a new dad 24:35 Three things every person should do to get more out of life 26:35 Where to find Joe McConaughy Joe McConaughy was a D1 college miler who had never raced anything longer than a mile when he Googled "run the Pacific Crest Trail" at 22 years old. 53 days later, he held the 2,600-mile speed record. Since then, he has set the John Muir Trail (JMT) fastest known time in 70 hours, raced the Cocodona 250, and competed at the front of elite 100-mile fields across the country. Joe is a trail-running coach, a race director with Mountain Running Races, and a new dad. Connect to Joe: Website: https://thestringbean.co/about/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thestring.bean/?hl=en Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thestringbean1/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joemcconaughy/
Heather Hansman is an award-winning outdoor journalist, an Outside columnist, and the author of Downriver and the bestselling Powder Days. Her new book, Fierce Country: The Untold Story of Three Women Who Ignited America's Love for the Wild, is out now. In this conversation: the therapist who mapped the heroine's journey, and the very famous mythologist who told her women don't need one; Georgie White swimming Grand Canyon rapids in 1945 in tennis shoes and a couple of hard candies; why there always seems to be exactly one available spot at the top for a woman, and what that has to do with the way we talked about Rachel Entrekin winning Cocodona outright; topophilia, or what happens when the love of your life turns out to be a landscape; and whether the American myth of the lone tough guy summiting the mountain is, frankly, a pretty boring story. This episode is brought to you by LMNT. Go to drinklmnt.com/UltraSignup for a free sample pack with any order. Featured race: the Bear Canyon Trail Run in Sandy, Utah, on Saturday, October 10. Formerly the Corner Canyon Ultra, now with a new name and a new course. The 11 Mile Classic climbs over 4,000 feet in five miles, the 20 Mile Challenge runs that loop twice, and there's a 5K if you'd like to keep your quads. Every dollar raised goes to an individual or family facing serious hardship, nearly $70,000 to 13 recipients since 2013. Registration closes Wednesday, October 7. Sign up at UltraSignup.com. The Trailhead is part of the UltraSignup Podcast Network.
Break through your keto or low-carb plateau. Book a free call with Robert Sikes: https://www.ketobodybuilding.com/callThis man runs 200 miles on a low-carb diet, and his results challenge the high-carb rules of endurance racing. In episode 905 of the Savage Perspective Podcast, host Robert Sikes talks with ultrarunner Mike McKnight about keto endurance, fat adaptation, and ultramarathon fueling. Mike shares how eating more carbs led to swelling, water weight, stomach trouble, and uneven results. He explains why he returned to low-carb foods, electrolytes, and fasted training. They also cover his zero-calorie 100-mile run, the Tahoe 200 injury that sent him to the hospital, hydration, sodium, recovery, and the strategy needed to race for days. See why the best fuel plan may be personal.Follow Mike on IG: https://www.instagram.com/mikejmcknight/Get Keto Brick: https://www.ketobrick.com/Subscribe to the podcast: https://open.spotify.com/show/42cjJssghqD01bdWBxRYEg?si=1XYKmPXmR4eKw2O9gGCEuQChapters0:00 - How a Tahoe 200 Head Injury Ended the Race4:00 - What 550 Racing Miles Did to His Legs6:08 - Why Mike McKnight Chose Italy After Tahoe 2008:14 - Why 200-Mile Races Favor Fat-Adapted Athletes10:20 - How Many Carbs Does an Ultramarathoner Really Need?14:17 - What Does a Low-Carb Ultrarunner Eat in a Day?16:50 - How Much Carbohydrate Do Endurance Athletes Eat?18:20 - Why Carbs Caused 8 Pounds of Water Weight20:28 - What Happens When You Run 100 Miles Fasted?25:39 - Do Ultramarunners Need Carbs for a Higher Gear?29:23 - Why Keto Endurance Fuel Is So Hard to Find32:09 - How to Balance Sodium, Potassium, and Water37:03 - Why 200-Mile Races Are a Strategy Game38:31 - How Do Backyard Ultras Work?41:54 - How to Choose the Right Trail Running Shoes44:21 - How Fatherhood Changes Extreme Endurance Racing48:38 - Why Truett Hanes Is Shaking Up Marathon Running50:37 - Why Cam Hanes' BPC-157 Use Sparked Backlash51:51 - How a Woman Broke the Cocodona 250 Course Record53:39 - Does VO2 Max Reveal Fat-Burning Efficiency?55:19 - Can You Keep Muscle While Training for an Ultramarathon?1:02:14 - Designing a Better Low-Carb Ultrarunning Fuel1:03:22 - How to Fuel an 800-Mile Arizona Trail FKT1:06:51 - Where to Follow Mike McKnight
This week, Matt and Ali have the distinct pleasure of speaking with Jeff Garmire. Jeff is well known for his achievements in the thru-hiking world, having set many incredible Fastest Known Times on the Colorado, John Muir, and Arizona trails (among others). Having completed 6 Cocodona 250-mile top ten finishes and fresh off a month-long “bachelor party” in Europe, knocking off a GR20, a Tour De Mont Blanc, and a 100km ultra in Germany, we speak to Jeff about his roots in the sport, connection, authenticity, and his frank and engaging approach to highlighting the incredible (and at times silly) aspects of our sport. Jeff is also a coach, podcaster, and author. We discuss how reaching out and communicating with others have positively influenced his life and well-being, as well as his hopes for the future of this sport and culture. This is a brilliant conversation that we are so pleased to bring you. We hope you enjoy it. Dirt Church Radio – Best Enjoyed Running.--- --- ---Episode LinksJeff Garmire HomeJeff Garmire Instagram Free Outside PodcastFree Outside SubstackJanjiGarage Grown GearSign up for the DCR AidStation newsletter and never miss an episode! Join us today.Dirt Church Radio on InstagramDirt Church Radio on FacebookFurther Faster New ZealandEnjoy!Music by Andrew McDowall, Digicake
In this episode, Sally talks with Triple Crown champion, Kilian Korth, who shares the remarkable journey that shaped him—from childhood endurance adventures and collegiate swimming to devastating setbacks, career uncertainty, and becoming one of the world's best 200-mile ultrarunners. Together, Sally and Kilian dive deep into resilience, failure, identity, and why the greatest breakthroughs often come from embracing discomfort, letting go of control, and refusing to quit. Enjoy! Other Episode Highlights:How Kilian's childhood adventures and competitive swimming shaped the mindset he races with today.The solo backpacking trip that changed his life and led him to ultrarunning.Why getting kicked off his college swim team became one of the best things that ever happened to him.Behind-the-scenes stories from Cocodona 250, including racing through a torn tendon.The difference between quitting and failing—and why failure is essential for growth.Why letting go of control can make you stronger in running and in life.The Stoic principles Kilian uses to stay calm when everything goes wrong.Why the best ultrarunners aren't always the most talented—they're the ones who can suffer the longest.Why your toughest days reveal who you really are.An honest conversation about social media, criticism, and staying true to yourself.Follow Kilian:Substack: @runtoughmindsetIG: @kiliankorthWatch his documentary, Forged in Failure, on August 1 @ 6pm MST: https://www.youtube.com/@UltrAspireHydration/featuredWant Kilian as your coach? Check here if he has spots available: https://www.theeverydayultra.com/All links, discounts, and ways to support the podcast are here.Sally McRae Strength AppChoose Strong Book Choose Strong Podcast YouTubeSally McRae YouTubeChoose Strong Merch Choose Strong Strava GroupEpisode Sponsors:TUMBLE: Machine Washable Rugs, Made Better. For a limited time only, our listeners get 10% off + free shipping at http://tumbleliving.com/SALLYLAGOON SLEEP: Check out LagoonSleep.com/CHOOSESTRONG for 15% off. Code: CHOOSESTRONGBIOPTIMIZERS: Get 15% off at bioptimizers.com/STRONG Code: STRONG
Kevin and Peter break down the wildest week of the year: Cocodona 250, 2026 edition. Peter kicks things off by running the Bradshaw Brute (recap episode coming soon), then joins Kevin at Mingus Mountain for the inaugural season of the MBA — the Mingus Basketball Association — where nearly every runner, from Rachel Entrekin's course-record-setting first bucket to Courtney Dauwalter's extended court time, stopped at mile 107 to shoot their shot. Spoiler: 107 miles of running does terrible things to your jumper.The week also included an overnight shift at Schnebly Hill Aid Station (nonstop chili mac and at least three saved races), snack reviews delivered mid-race, surprise phone calls to runners live on the Mountain Outpost stream, "Emotions on Elden" interviews from the final climb, and a down-to-the-second cutoff drama at Mingus.Stick around to the end for the full 50 minutes of raw MBA court audio — trash talk, airballs, celebrity cameos and all. If you can name every voice you hear, we might just send you a hat.Huge thanks to our sponsors Janji and Mount to Coast for making the MBA possible. Support them (and us): use code DISTANCE at Mount to Coast or select Distance to Empty in Janji's post-purchase survey, screenshot it, and send it to @distancetoemptypod on Instagram or distancetoemptypod@gmail.com for free swag.
The camera doesn't care if you're exhausted, sunbaked, or doubting yourself, it still asks for the truth. We sit down with Amber Myers, a photographer whose work threads through trail running, family life, and the intense world of ultra marathon racing. Her story starts with a borrowed beginner camera and a single fall photo that proved she could capture mood without forcing it. It eventually pulls her into endurance sports photography, where the stakes are higher and the moments are far more fragile. We talk about what it's really like to document races such as Badwater 135 and Cocodona 250 from the crew side: file dumps at checkpoints, hiking out for more honest angles, and learning how to stay invisible while still getting the shot. Amber shares the surreal reality of extreme heat, how crews keep runners safe, and why the ultra community often wants the gritty frames the ones that show the hard minutes, not the highlight reel. Along the way, she opens up about imposter syndrome, earning trust around big names, and how supportive photographers helped her level up fast. Health is the turning point. Autoimmune issues and adrenal stress force her to let go of personal racing goals, including a 100-miler dream, but not her place in the sport. We also dig into why jiu jitsu became a better fit for her body, how training teaches calm “one inch at a time,” and why constant wearable metrics can create more stress than clarity. If you're into ultra running, trail culture, endurance mindset, or sports storytelling, this conversation offers a grounded way to keep moving forward when your plans change. Subscribe for more conversations like this, share the episode with a friend in the endurance community, and leave a review so more listeners can find the show.Instagram: @ambermyersphotohttps://www.instagram.com/ambermyersphoto?igsh=MTlmMW9hNWFhaG13eA==Shoutout to:Amber Myers The Myers Family Ultra Running Community Ben LightMike McKnightAg-Gear Store https://www.aggearstore.com/Use Code: Milesmountains For 15% Off Raising Awareness:Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women (MMIW)Mental Health Send us Fan Mail
Step into Episode 221 of On The Delo as Delo sits down with Keifer Gilbert - a tattooed small-town Arizona kid turned elite craft bartender turned sober ultra runner - for one of the most honest, raw, and inspiring conversations the show has delivered. From getting fired from Applebee's reeking of Jäger at 20, to helping launch Counterintuitive cocktail bar, to blacking out nightly while raising a newborn, Keifer's story is a masterclass in rock bottom, reinvention, and what it actually takes to do hard things sober.They cover the Phoenix and Scottsdale hospitality scene in depth - Cashmere, Cowboy Chow, Bitter & Twisted, Counterintuitive - and then pivot into the real story: how sobriety on Christmas Day 2018 led to Keifer trading shots for trail running and ultimately finishing the Cocodona 250, a 256.3-mile race from Black Canyon City to downtown Flagstaff with 37,000 ft of elevation gain in 108 hours. If you've ever struggled to let go of an identity that no longer serves you, or wondered if it's too late to become someone new, this episode will hit different.Chapter Guide (Timestamps):(0:17 - 1:25) Ep 221 Intro: Consistency, Repetition & Being a Little Psychotic(1:26 - 6:23) Getting Started: Flagstaff, Applebee's, Getting Fired, and One Semester at GCU(6:24 - 9:37) Landing at Cashmere & Cowboy Chow - Finding His Footing in Fine Dining(9:38 - 12:36) Counterintuitive: 32 Seats, 12 Hours of Prep, 8 Hours of Service - Craft Cocktails Done Right(12:37 - 17:20) Life at Bitter & Twisted: Long Shifts, Late Nights at Tally Ho, and a Body Falling Apart(17:21 - 19:26) Identity, Blackouts, and the Bar Industry's Dark Side(19:27 - 23:59) Sobriety: Christmas Day 2018, Cooper at 6 Months, and the Decision That Changed Everything(24:00 - 27:30) 8 Years Sober: The Emotional Lightning Rod Phase, the Three-Year Switch, and Life Today(27:31 - 29:01) From Jiu Jitsu to COVID Runs: How Ultra Running Accidentally Took Over(29:02 - 35:00) Cocodona 250: The Race, the Prep, the First Day Disaster, and 30,000 Calories Burned(35:01 - 40:18) What 256 Miles Does to Your Identity - And Cam Haines Cheering From the Trail(40:19 - 44:30) What's Next: Front-End Developer, USCA Certified Ultra Coach, and What Keifer Promotes(44:31 - 46:20) Rapid Fire: Climbs vs. Downhills, Warrant vs. Ratt, Bears on Mingus Mountain & More
What does it take to keep evolving after reaching the top—and how do you know when mental toughness has gone too far?In this episode of the Everyday Ultra Podcast, Joe sits down with Everyday Ultra coach and 200-mile superstar Kilian Korth amidst his upcoming documentary: Forged in Failure: The Quest for the Crown.Kilian reflects on the lessons he has learned since completing the Triple Crown, the competitive pressure that pushed him to another level at Cocodona, and the devastating injury that came from limping through the final 60 miles of the race.You'll learn:Why Kilian no longer wants ego to be the fuel driving his racingHow mental toughness can become both your greatest strength and greatest weaknessKilian's approach to navigating injury, uncertainty, and losing the activity that defines his identityHow a “no-options mindset” can create greater discipline in running and everyday lifeWhy failure does not automatically make you stronger—and the work required to actually learn from itHow to recognize when pushing through discomfort is helping your performance versus threatening your longevitySHOW LINKS:Want to be coached by me and my team to crush your next ultramarathon in our 1:1 coaching program? Book a free call here with one of our coaches to see if we are a good fit!Want to work with me to crush your next ultramarathon in our group coaching program? Sign up for our group coaching program here: https://www.theeverydayultra.com/group-coachingFollow Joe on IG: https://www.instagram.com/joecorcione/Everyday Ultra YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCUelKGeptWZivD6yRIDiupgForged in Failure Moab TicketsForged in Failure Fort Collins TicketsTry 1st Phorm Phormula-1 Clear Protein:https://1stphorm.com/products/phormula-1-clear/?a_aid=joecorcioneTry 1st Phorm Ignition Post-Workout Carb Drink:https://1stphorm.com/products/ignition/?a_aid=joecorcioneTry Mount to Coast shoes, designed specifically for ultramarathons, and get 10% off your order with code EVERYDAYULTRA by going to the link here.Try HYPERLYTE Liquid Performance running nutrition and get 15% off your order when you use code EVERYDAYULTRA at www.hyperlyteliquidperformance.comTry PlayOn Pain Relief Spray and get 20% off with code EVERYDAYULTRA at playonrelief.comTry Janji apparel at janji.com/everydayultraCreate running routes easily with Footpath, the app designed to help you manage routes simply. Download for free and get a free trial at footpathapp.com/everydayultraFollow Kilian on IG: https://www.instagram.com/kiliankorth/
Mike McKnight - elite American ultrarunner renowned for his dominance in 200-mile and longer trail races. A multiple-time champion and course-record holder, including victories at the Bigfoot 200, Tahoe 200, Moab 240, Cocodona 250, and Arizona Monster 300. He is widely recognized as one of the sport's top endurance athletes. Follow Mike: https://www.instagram.com/mikejmcknight/ Follow along: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cameronrhanes Twitter: https://twitter.com/cameronhanes Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/camhanes/ Website: https://www.cameronhanes.com Timestamps: 00:00:00 – The Dark McKnight & Winning the 200 Mile Race Triple Crown 00:06:25 – Finding a Love for Multi Day Races 00:13:52 – The Growth of Ultra Running & Grassroots Running Nostalgia 00:19:41 – The Super Bowl of Ultras: Cocodona 00:19:41 – Mike's favorite Races 00:26:26 – Running at Hayward Track, a Fun Run, & Shooting at The Bow Rack 00:35:38 – Running Cocodona 2026 & it's Epic Stories 00:49:00 – The Arizona Trail Frustrations & Goals 00:54:00 – Hardships of Being a Race Director 00:57:48 – Trying New Things to Avoid Burnout 00:50:04 – Difficulties of Being a Dad While While Running Races 01:03:09 – Pressure to Perform: Pushing Through the Pain in 200 Mile Races 01:10:40 – Mike's Goals & FKTs 01:23:05 – Zero Calorie Challenge & Hate Comments 01:25:43 – Training for HYROX 01:30:18 – Shooting a Bow for the First Time 01:34:09 – Hosting Podcasts & Creating Bonds with Guests 01:40:45 – Kilian Korth, Jeff Garmire, Strength & Durability in Running 01:43:52 – Jim Walmsley: Becoming the Best Multi-Day Runner 01:48:03 – Kiss, Marry, Unalive: Taho, Cocodona, Bigfoot 01:51:41 – Is a 100K a Real Ultra Marathon? 01:54:03 – Recovering from a Broken Back & Herniated Disc 01:56:51 – I'll Prove You Wrong: Race Predictions from Podcasters 02:01:10 – Benefits of BPC 157 & Why it's Not a PED 02:12:16 – Microdosing: Mushrooms & THC 02:14:16 – Final Thoughts: BPC 157 over Surgery Thank you to our sponsors: LMNT: Visit https://drinklmnt.com/cam for a free sample pack with any purchase Black Rifle Coffee: https://www.blackriflecoffee.com/ Use code KEEPHAMMERING for 10% your order Ketone IQ: https://www.ketone.com/Cam use code CAM for 30% off your first subscription Sig Sauer: https://www.sigsauer.com/ use code CAM10 for 10% off optics MTN OPS Supplements: https://mtnops.com/ Use code CAM for 20% off & Free Shipping Hoyt: http://bit.ly/3Zdamyv use code CAM for 10% off
Thanks to Precision Fuel & Hydration for sponsoring this video! Get 15% off your first order at http://visit.pfandh.com/extramilestshow Rachel Entrekin is a beast of an athlete in the best way possible. This year she became the first overall winner of the Cocodona 250 mile race, beating all men and women in 56 hours and 9 minutes! Rachel joins the show to share advice to recreational runners about your mindset, and ways to improve in training and racing Watch the full video on YouTube Topics covered: 00:00 — Rachel Entrekin's Biggest Running Lessons 04:44 — Why Rachel Almost Quit Running 09:22 — The Best Advice for New Runners 10:35 — Building Up Slowly Is The Smartest Thing A Runner Can Do 12:40 — The Marathon That Changed Everything 15:54 — Road Running vs. Trail Running: The Biggest Differences 19:13 — What Every Road Runner Should Know Before Trail Running 20:29 — Our Running Coaching Program 20:58 — The Mindset Shift That Made Rachel Faster 26:58 — Stop Complaining: The Mindset That Changes Everything 31:09 — Rachel's Fueling & Hydration Strategy 33:28 — How to Train Your Gut for Race Day 36:23 — How to Optimize Your Hydration (Sweat Testing & Electrolytes) 40:00 — The Biggest Hydration Mistakes Runners Make 43:57 — The Emotional Finish at Cocodona 250 49:25 — Why Making Mistakes Is Part Of Becoming A Better Runner 50:52 — Overcoming Imposter Syndrome: "Why Not Me?" 53:25 — What Rachel Learned from Courtney Dauwalter 57:00 — How to Become a Stronger, Healthier & Happier Runner Affiliate Disclosure: I may earn commissions if you purchase items via my affiliate links. "As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases." Affiliate links do not increase cost to you. Also, you do not need to use these links. You can also search for these same items in Amazon or on any search engine/shopping site of your choice and buy/research them that way. FIND RACHEL HERE: ► Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/rachel__entrekin/ ► Wordpress: https://blondeidiotrunning.wordpress.com/ ► Substack: https://rachelentrekin.substack.com/ ► Ultra Running Magazine: https://ultrarunning.com/author/rachel-entrekin/ LINKS & TOOLS MENTIONED ► Join my PB Running Coaching Program: https://www.skool.com/personalbest ► Precision Fuel and Hydration (15% off your first order): http://visit.pfandh.com/extramilestshow ► Buy my new book Running Breakthroughs: https://geni.us/running-breakthroughs ► Book: A Complaint Free World By Will Bowen: https://amzn.to/4pxrLk5 ► Courtney Dauwalter episode: https://youtu.be/OTgwIEAN3B4 YOU CAN FIND ME, FLORIS GIERMAN HERE: ► Podcast: https://extramilest.com/podcast ► Strava: https://www.strava.com/athletes/1329785 ► Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/florisgierman ► Extramilest Website: https://extramilest.com ► Path Projects Website: https://pathprojects.com ABOUT THE EXTRAMILEST SHOW: A podcast and YouTube channel where host Floris Gierman interviews world class athletes, coaches and health experts on the topic of how to become a stronger, healthier and happier athlete. More info about our running coaching program can be found at https://www.skool.com/personalbest. Subscribe and hit the bell to see new videos: https://bit.ly/Flo-YT #RachelEntrekin #UltraRunning #TrailRunning #RunningPodcast #Hydration #ExtramilestShow
After more than a decade of competing at the highest level of ultra-endurance racing, Jeff Browning continues to refine one of the most important aspects of performance—how he fuels. In this episode of the OFM Podcast, Peter Defty sits down with Jeff to discuss how his nutrition strategy has evolved over 10 years of using the OFM (Optimized Fat Metabolism) approach. Fresh off the Cocodona 250 and preparing for the Western States Endurance Run, Jeff shares the lessons he's learned from years of racing, testing, and adapting his fueling strategy. Together, they explore why endurance nutrition doesn't have to be a choice between high-carbohydrate fueling and strict ketogenic diets. Instead, they explain how strategic carbohydrate use, metabolic flexibility, and individualized nutrition can help athletes improve performance, reduce gastrointestinal distress, and support long-term metabolic health. The conversation also dives into emerging topics such as protein intake during ultra-distance events, hydration and electrolyte strategies, gut health, and why supporting recovery may be just as important as fueling the race itself. Whether you're training for your first marathon, preparing for a 100- or 200-mile ultramarathon, or simply looking to better understand endurance nutrition, this episode offers practical insights backed by more than a decade of real-world experience. In this episode you'll learn: Why OFM is not a ketogenic diet How strategic carbohydrates can support endurance performance What Jeff learned after racing the Cocodona 250 The role of protein during races lasting longer than 10 hours How gut health influences performance and recovery Practical hydration and electrolyte strategies Why metabolic flexibility may outperform nutrition extremes If you're looking for a smarter, more sustainable approach to endurance fueling, this conversation is packed with actionable insights you can apply to your own training and racing. Show Notes and link to the video here: https://ofm.io/jeff-browning-on-10-years-of-ofm-what-every-endurance-athlete-should-know/
What does it actually mean to leave it all out there in an ultramarathon? And how do you do it without going all-in too early and completely blowing up your race?In this episode of the Everyday Ultra Podcast, I break down how to truly empty the tank on race day — not just by “trying harder,” but by making smarter decisions, pushing at the right moments, and learning how to override the voice in your head that tells you to slow down, sit down, or play it safe when you still have more to give.This episode was recorded from one of our Everyday Ultra athlete coaching calls, where I shared lessons from Western States, Cocodona 250, Javelina Jundred, and Tahoe 200 to explain how to push to your absolute limit while still racing smart.In this episode, we cover:What “emptying the tank” actually means in an ultraWhy most runners have more left than they thinkHow to separate pain from danger during a raceWhen to push harder based on effort, RPE, and race distanceWhy aid stations can destroy your momentum if you're not carefulHow carbs can help you push harder when things get toughHow to use past races where you didn't empty the tank as fuel for your next breakthroughIf you want to run your best ultra, finish with no regrets, and prove to yourself that you can keep pushing when it gets hard, this episode will show you how to drain the tank the right way.SHOW LINKS:Register for our 100K or 50K race, Desert Peak Ultra, by going to desertpeakultra.comWant to be coached by me and my team to crush your next ultramarathon in our 1:1 coaching program? Book a free call here with one of our coaches to see if we are a good fit!Want to work with me to crush your next ultramarathon in our group coaching program? Sign up for our group coaching program here: https://www.theeverydayultra.com/group-coachingFollow Joe on IG: https://www.instagram.com/joecorcione/Everyday Ultra YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCUelKGeptWZivD6yRIDiupgTry Mount to Coast shoes, designed specifically for ultramarathons, and get 10% off your order with code EVERYDAYULTRA by going to the link here.Try HYPERLYTE Liquid Performance running nutrition and get 15% off your order when you use code EVERYDAYULTRA at www.hyperlyteliquidperformance.comTry PlayOn Pain Relief Spray and get 20% off with code EVERYDAYULTRA at playonrelief.comTry Bear Butt Wipes and get 10% off your order with code EVERYDAYULTRA at bearbuttwipes.comTry Janji apparel at janji.com/everydayultraCreate running routes easily with Footpath, the app designed to help you manage routes simply. Download for free and get a free trial at footpathapp.com/everydayultra
Become a Distance to Empty subscriber!: https://www.patreon.com/DistancetoEmptyPod Get some free DTE Swag by supporting out sponsors!https://janji.com/pages/distance-to-empty and be sure to select 'podcast' > 'Distance to Empty' on the post purchase "How did you hear about Janji" page. Thank you!Check out Mount to Coast here: https://mounttocoast.com/discount/DistanceCode IRON at www.goodranchers.com and mention us in the post purchase survey!Paul James Johnson is a civil trial attorney from Michigan who didn't run his first marathon until he turned 40. He and didn't discover ultrarunning until he was 60. Nine years later, at 69, he was the oldest finisher at Cocodona 250 this year, posting his fastest time yet on his fifth attempt at the race, and landing on the podium in his age group.In this episode, Paul opens with an apology for missing a commitment during Cocodona (a mid-race "basketball" tradition on Mingus Mountain. Before diving into his running origin story, from a courthouse rec-league basketball team to his first brutal 50-miler in Michigan's Upper Peninsula. He talks through what changed in his training and mindset that led to his breakthrough performance this year, including a more structured training block, starting creatine supplementation, and leaning hard on his crew — including his two sons who crew for him at nearly every race.Paul also shares his self-coined "Art of Distraction" technique for getting through the darkest miles of a 200-plus-mile race, his habit of recording detailed audio notes to himself before each race segment, and his refreshingly simple philosophy on aging in the sport: age doesn't disqualify you from anything — the answer is always yes.The conversation wraps with a rapid-fire "Quick Five," covering his highest high (crossing the Cocodona finish line with his full crew), his lowest low (a DNF at the Thailand 500 he's still chasing redemption for), his go-to race fuel, and whether he's found his distance to empty. (He hasn't. He's already signed up for four more races.)
Anastasia Wilde is a Missoula-based adventure photographer who has spent the last five years shooting the country's biggest 200-mile races like Bigfoot, Tahoe, Cocodona, and hiking up to eight miles into the backcountry with thirty pounds of gear to photograph runners at their most unfiltered. In this conversation, Anastasia tells us how a Costco camera kit and a suspiciously well-timed $500 raffle win turned a middle school music teacher into one of ultrarunning's most prolific race photographers, why the mid- and back-of-pack will tell a stranger with a camera things they haven't told their families, the memory card catastrophe at the Bigfoot finish line she still thinks about, whether AI will ever make any of us look good while running (no), and what it means to photograph someone crying alone at sunrise on their way to a five-year buckle. This episode is brought to you by LMNT and their new lemonade iced tea flavor. Get a free sample pack with any order at drinklmnt.com/UltraSignup. This week's featured race is the Machete Muertos 200 at Lake Perris, California, starting Wednesday, October 28. 200 miles, 44,000 feet of climbing, and a 96-hour cutoff at one of the toughest 200-milers in the country, part of Machete Madness's Día de los Muertos celebration. There's also a 100-miler, a 50-miler, and 10- and 20-mile ruck divisions, with free family camping, free professional photos, and no pacer fees. Registration closes Friday, October 16. Sign up at UltraSignup.com. The Trailhead is part of the UltraSignup Podcast Network.
Ashley Leisher from Jacksonville, Florida is fairly new to the ultra running scene, but is already making noise with big wins at Badwater Cape Fear 51 Miler and The iconic Keys 100. She has won her way into Badwater 135 for 2027 and got drawn for Cocodona, so watch out! She is an incredibly passionate and humble athlete and a fun conversation. Enjoy!@ashleyleisherSquirrel's Nut Butter: Natural Anti-Chafe & Skin Restoring SalvesMount to Coast | For runners who transcend distance.
Hardrock Uncovered is Ultra Uncovered's exclusive interview series leading into the 2026 Hardrock Endurance Run, bringing you inside the stories, preparation, and mindset of the athletes who will take on one of ultrarunning's most iconic races.In Episode 1, we sit down with two-time Hardrock champion and one of the most decorated ultra running athletes of all time, Courtney Dauwalter.Courtney reflects on how a winter of marathon training unexpectedly became the perfect physical and mental reset before returning to the trails. She shares why she still believes her best Hardrock is ahead of her, how Cocodona 250 changed her perspective on racing 100 miles, and what excites her most about returning to the San Juan Mountains.We also dive into the incredible momentum behind women's ultrarunning, the athletes who inspired her own journey, her biggest challenge at Hardrock (hint: it's not the climbs), and one surprising revelation—this year she'll tackle Hardrock with only Kevin crewing and no pacers.If you're following Hardrock this year, this is one you won't want to miss.If you enjoyed this episode, please share it and leave us a rating and review.Stay tuned as Hardrock Uncovered continues all week with more conversations featuring the athletes, stories, and personalities shaping this year's race. Follow the Hardrock livestream this year on Mountain Outpost
"If the winner thinks that everyone's important, then goddamnit I must be right." Rachel Entrekin arrived at the start line of the Cocodona 250 ultramarathon in May having already won the women's race twice. But as Rachel says, "You don't start and finish Cocodona as the same person." And this year, Rachel finished the race as a history-maker and record breaker. The women's defending champion became the first woman to win Cocodona outright. She finished the 253.3-mile race from Phoenix to Flagstaff — through the desert and the mountains, climbing more than 39,000 feet along the way — in 56 hours 9 minutes and 48 seconds. She finished seven hours faster than she did last year. She beat the entire men's elite field, and beat the existing course record by more than two hours. In this conversation, Rachel breaks down everything from her approach to training ("vibes-based") and her goals for Cocodona 2026 to her mid-race encounter with a very special woman and what the finish line was really like. FOLLOW RACHEL @rachel__entrekin SPONSOR: Lagoon. Click here to take Lagoon's 2-minute sleep quiz to see which pillow is right for you, and use code ALI at checkout for 15% off your next Lagoon order. IN THIS EPISODE: What's making Rachel happy today? (2:40) What Rachel's Cocodona recovery has looked like (4:10) How Rachel celebrated her birthday last week (10:00) What it means to Rachel to be a "vibes-based runner" (11:00) Why did Rachel's win have such a massive impact? (14:15) What did it take to do what Rachel did at Cocodona this year? (20:45) Rachel explains what she does, and what Cocodona is (22:40) On "liking the person I am when it gets challenging" (28:20) Running alone vs. with pacers — and a camera crew (36:10) All about the Native American woman Rachel met on the Cocodona course (38:00) How Rachel found running, and how eating disorder recovery changed her relationship with it (46:00) All about the sleep situation at Cocodona (55:45) Did Rachel wake up feeling like it was going to be a special day? (1:02:55) "Someone's gonna win it. Why not me?" (1:05:25) The sights and sounds of the Cocodona finish line (1:10:20) All about the post-race shower! (1:16:00) Follow Ali: Instagram @aliontherun1 Subscribe to the newsletter Join the Facebook group Support on Patreon SUPPORT the Ali on the Run Show! If you're enjoying the show, please subscribe and leave a rating and review on Apple Podcasts. Spread the run love. And if you liked this episode, share it with your friends!
Become a Distance to Empty subscriber!: https://www.patreon.com/DistancetoEmptyPod Get some free DTE Swag by supporting out sponsors!https://janji.com/pages/distance-to-empty and be sure to select 'podcast' > 'Distance to Empty' on the post purchase "How did you hear about Janji" page. Thank you!Check out Mount to Coast here: https://mounttocoast.com/discount/DistanceCode IRON at www.goodranchers.com and mention us in the post purchase survey!Lindsey Dwyer: Cleaning Up the Mess at Cocodona 250Middle school PE teacher by day, 250-mile ultrarunner by... well, by 72 hours and 48 minutes straight. Lindsey Dwyer joins the show fresh off a 5th-place finish at Cocodona 2026 — a full seven hours faster than her debut the year before, with nearly four of those hours saved just by spending less time loitering at aid stations.In this conversation, Lindsey breaks down what it actually takes to come back to a race and "clean it up": the rookie mistakes she refused to repeat (no more fun-runs in a dust storm the day before), racing against the sunrise for her B-goal, and why she sets A-goals she only expects to hit half the time. She talks candidly about battling her asthma through smoke-choked air, losing her voice for the entire second half, and gutting out two pacer-less night sections — including a lonely, viewless summit of Mount Elden at mile 230 where her sister's midnight phone calls kept her moving.We also get into her training philosophy (big volume, reluctant strength work, lots of zone two), the growing pains of going from self-coached to working with Coach Leo Perschel, how she squeezes altitude and heat training around a teacher's three personal days a year, her Rio del Lago course record, a top-20 at UTMB, and what's next at the Mammoth 200.Plus: breakfast tacos with HEB tortillas, why the pack is the one piece of gear you can't get wrong, and whether Lindsey has found her distance to empty. (Spoiler: not even close.)
In this LIVE episode from TrailCon 2026, Sally sits down with Rachel Entrekin — 3x Cocodona 250 Champion, holder of 15 FKT records, and one of the most real, relatable, funny, and genuinely inspiring people in the sport. Enjoy!All links, discounts, and ways to support the podcast are here.Sally McRae Strength AppChoose Strong Book Choose Strong Podcast YouTubeSally McRae YouTubeChoose Strong Merch Choose Strong Strava GroupEpisode Sponsors:BUBS Naturals: Live Better Longer with BUBS Naturals. For A limited time get 20% off your entire order with code SALLY at Bubsnaturals.com #sponsoredMud/WTR: Start your new morning ritual & get up to 43% off your @MUDWTR with code STRONG at mudwtr.com/STRONG! #mudwtrpod #sponsored
In this LIVE episode from TrailCon 2026, Sally sits down with Rachel Entrekin — 3x Cocodona 250 Champion, holder of 15 FKT records, and one of the most real, relatable, funny, and genuinely inspiring people in the sport. Enjoy!All links, discounts, and ways to support the podcast are here.Sally McRae Strength AppChoose Strong Book Choose Strong Podcast YouTubeSally McRae YouTubeChoose Strong Merch Choose Strong Strava GroupEpisode Sponsors:BUBS Naturals: Live Better Longer with BUBS Naturals. For A limited time get 20% off your entire order with code SALLY at bubsnaturals.com sponsoredMud/WTR: Start your new morning ritual & get up to 43% off your @MUDWTR with code STRONG at mudwtr.com/STRONG! #mudwtrpod #sponsored
In this powerful conversation from the red rocks of Sedona at Camp Avalon, Amadon sits down with ultramarathon running legend Jeff “Bronco Billy” Browning (@.giddyupultra) With 26+ years in the sport, over 40 career ultra wins with over 30 of those at the 100-mile distance (second-most in the world), and a legacy of consistency few can match, Jeff shares the raw mindset, discipline, and heart required to thrive in the pain cave — and in life.From his Missouri farm roots to building a family while chasing podiums, Jeff opens up about:Mastering the mental game when your body is shutting down at 150+ milesThe power of gratitude, positivity, and reframing suffering as a giftStaying grounded in nature and rejecting the comfort-zone trap of modern lifeFatherhood, homeschooling, and raising resilient kids who do hard thingsAging powerfully at 55 — discipline, mobility, experience, and still competingExtreme ownership, good sportsmanship, and why you must “do the work”Legacy, eulogies, and dying with your boots onThis is more than an ultrarunning interview — it's a masterclass in mental resilience, spiritual toughness, and living authentically in a world addicted to ease.Watch until the end for Jeff's favorite quotes and wisdom on commitment that applies to every area of life.
Scott Jurek is one of the greatest ultramarathoners of all time. His career ushered in an era of professionalism that enabled many that came after him to pursue this sport as a full-fledged career. Since 2024, we have had Scott in the studio for long-form conversations during Western States week. At this point, it's become one of our favorite traditions. Sometimes we talk about the state of the sport, sometimes we reflect on key moments in his racing career, and other times we just shoot the breeze. In this one, we talk about Scott's experience at Cocodona this year, his relationship with Dean Potter, pacing Brian Morrison in 2006, and whether ultrarunning is in a “golden age” right now.Partners:Precision Fuel and Hydration - use code SINGLETRACK at checkout for 15% off your next orderNorda - check out the 005: the lightest, fastest, most stable trail racing shoe ever madeRaide - Making equipment for efficient human-powered movement in the mountains Support the show
What would you do if someone tells you that you're not built for the thing you love most?In today's episode of The Evolving Adventurer, I chat with ultrarunner, coach, mom and adventurer Bri Boley. What started off as a funny case of mistaken identity at Javelina Jundred this past October led to a powerful conversation about grit, self-belief, and choosing your own path—even when “experts,” injuries, and fear suggest otherwise. Bri shares how a physical therapist once told her she didn't have a "runner's body.” That comment—or her Aries nature—fueled her determination: she went from struggling through three-mile runs and finishing last at a 5K race to thru-hiking the Pacific Crest Trail, racing ultramarathons, and coaching endurance athletes around the world.We venture into the challenges, and realities, of balancing adventure, motherhood, work, and training. Bri opens up about creating guilt-free time for herself, unexpected superpowers that come from being a busy parent, and why sustainable success is about much more than mileage, heart rate data, or race results. You'll learn lessons that transcend the endurance space: different perspectives on long-term growth, resilience, and building a life that supports your passions.Whether you're an athlete, entrepreneur, healer, parent, or simply someone trying to reconnect with the things that make you feel most alive, today's conversation is packed with wisdom, humor, and inspiration. From solo backpacking adventures at 17 to Cocodona crewing stories to rediscovering joy after burnout, Bri reminds us all that sometimes the most important journey isn't about going farther—it's about returning to who you were before the world told you what you could or couldn't become.Comment BRI and I'll send you the link.Timestamps:02:29 - How a whim led to eleven years living in a mountain town 03:36 - Bree's upbringing in Corvallis, Oregon, and her early sports journey 05:24 - From cheerleading to running and overcoming injury challenges 07:51 - Discovering her passion for trail and ultrarunning 11:25 - Building endurance through long-distance hikes and trail adventures 12:47 - Transition to ultrarunning with the Colorado Trail and PCT 13:36 - The mindset of grit and determination that drives her pursuits 16:24 - How her own injury history fuels her coaching approach 17:50 - The importance of long-term vision in athletic development 22:08 - Supporting athletes of all levels with empathy and process-oriented goals 25:58 - Balancing training with family life and mom superpowers 28:34 - The significance of time efficiency and intentional self-care 32:36 - Embracing solo adventures to build resilience and confidence 36:28 - Crewing at Cocodona and supporting incredible performances 43:02 - Bri's upcoming challenge: Oregon Outback 230 in 2026 50:03 - Her love for exploring new trails and avoiding race repetition 58:36 - The power of solitude and quiet in long-distance adventures 62:03 - Connecting with Bree: social media and coaching opportunitiesResources & Links:TrainRight Coaching — Bri's coaching platformCascade Endurance — Endurance coaching organizationBorn to Run by Christopher McDougall — Book that inspired BriWonderland Trail — Epic trail around Mount RainierInstagram — Social media profile
Zach Hauer went from collegiate track athlete to entrepreneur, Open Fuel co-founder, Javelina 100 runner, and now Cocodona 250 finisher.In this conversation, we dive into Zach's first experience at the 250-mile distance, the highs and lows of Cocodona, sleep deprivation, aid station mistakes, and why he immediately wanted to come back after finishing. We also discuss building Open Fuel, modern endurance sports marketing, trail running culture, the balance between optimization and fun, and why Zach carried a Walkman during one of the biggest races in ultrarunning.Topics include:-Cocodona 250-Javelina 100-Open Fuel-Building a nutrition company-Sleep deprivation and racing-Trail running culture-Social media and marketing-The future of ultrarunning-Why people become obsessed with 200-mile races-Walkmans, unicycles, and bad business ideasSupport our Sponsors: Sawyer: https://sawyerdirect.net/Janji (code: Freeoutside): https://snp.link/a0bfb726CS Coffee: CSinstant.coffeeGarage Grown Gear: https://snp.link/db1ba8abSubscribe to Substack: http://freeoutside.substack.comSupport this content on patreon: HTTP://patreon.com/freeoutsideBuy my book "Free Outside" on Amazon: https://amzn.to/39LpoSFEmail me to buy a signed copy of my book, "Free Outside" at jeff@freeoutside.comWatch the movie about setting the record on the Colorado Trail: https://tubitv.com/movies/100019916/free-outsideWebsite: www.Freeoutside.comInstagram: thefreeoutsidefacebook: www.facebook.com/freeoutside#Trailrunning #Runningnews #Outdoors #Outdooradventure
Become a Distance to Empty subscriber!: https://www.patreon.com/DistancetoEmptyPod Get some free DTE Swag by supporting out sponsors!https://janji.com/pages/distance-to-empty and be sure to select 'podcast' > 'Distance to Empty' on the post purchase "How did you hear about Janji" page. Thank you!Check out Mount to Coast here: https://mounttocoast.com/discount/DistanceCode IRON at www.goodranchers.com and mention us in the post purchase survey!The Last Four Standing: Six Years of Cocodona 250Four runners. Six straight years. Roughly 6,000 miles of one of the hardest point-to-point ultras in the country. In this episode, Kevin Goldberg sits down with Andy Glaze, Jeff Garmire, Aaron Fleisher, and Jose Sosa — the only four athletes to finish every single Cocodona 250 since its 2021 debut.What started as a one-off pandemic-era adventure (Aaron even emailed the race directors to say he'd never be back) somehow became an annual ritual none of them saw coming. The guys talk through how the race hooked them, why it never actually gets easier, and the community that keeps pulling them back to the start line each May.There's also a healthy dose of competition and chaos: back-of-the-napkin math on how many hours they've each logged on course (the guesses are scarily accurate), predictions for when the streak finally breaks and who'll be the last one standing, theories on how each man's run will eventually end — from injury to flight delays to one very specific basketball-related exit — and the origin of Andy's parallel 100-mile-week streak that may be even harder to kill than the Cocodona one.Equal parts tribute, roast, and group therapy for people who can't stop signing up. Here's to year seven.
Rachel Entrekin is a professional ultra runner and three-time Cocodona 250 champion who just won the race outright. This conversation explores the mindset behind that feat. We discuss her shift from chasing outcomes to chasing joy, her "why not me?" self-belief, an unexpected encounter on the final climb, and her road back from an eating disorder. Along the way, she reminds us how much more we're all capable of than we believe. Rachel is a bright light. Enjoy! Show notes + MORE Watch on YouTube Newsletter Sign-Up Today's Sponsors: Rivian: Electric vehicles that keep the world adventurous forever
This episode is supported by Kava Haven, Goodr, and Batch. Today on the podcast, I'm excited to welcome Megan Eckert. Meg recently finished third overall among women at the 2025 Cocodona 250, running one of the fastest times in race history. She's an ultrarunner, coach, teacher, and one of the most accomplished endurance athletes in the sport. In 2025, she ran 603 miles, surpassing 600 miles in six days and setting a world record pending ratification. She also finished second at Badwater 135 and continues to push the boundaries of what's possible in ultrarunning. One of the most fascinating parts of Meg's story is that she didn't discover running until she was 29 years old. What started with a goal of breaking two hours in her first half marathon quickly grew into a passion for ultras, trail running, and eventually some of the longest races in the world. In this conversation, Meg shares how she approaches races as long as Cocodona, why she focuses on competing against herself rather than other runners, how she balances teaching sixth-grade math with elite ultrarunning, and what she's learned from spending days at a time moving through mountains, deserts, and remote wilderness. We also talk about sleep strategy, hallucinations, training for six-day races, the value of recovery, and why she continues to pursue goals that have a real chance of failure. Thank you to Mount to Coast for supporting this episode. Their new C1 Super Trainer is designed for long miles, everyday training, and durability that goes the distance. Learn more at mounttocoast.com. If you enjoy this conversation, please share it with a friend and leave a rating and review. It's one of the best ways to help new listeners discover the show. Topics Discussed Finishing third at the 2025 Cocodona 250 Running 603 miles at the Six Day World Championship Discovering running at age 29 and quickly falling in love with ultras Balancing teaching, coaching, and elite ultrarunning Training philosophy, double-run days, and self-coaching Sleep strategy and hallucinations in multi-day races The growth of 200+ mile ultramarathons Recovery, longevity, and avoiding injury Pursuing difficult goals and embracing uncertainty Adventure, backpacking, and trying new experiences every year Media mentioned: Books: The God of the Woods by Liz Moore Brands Mentioned: Mount to Coast Sponsors: BatchBatch is a Wisconsin-based wellness brand creating small-batch, science-backed CBD and THC products designed to help with stress, sleep, and overall balance. Their formulas are developed in-house using high-quality hemp and third-party testing for consistency and transparency. Go to hellobatch.com/another and use code “Another” for 30% off your order! Kava HavenKava Haven offers a kava-infused, non-alcoholic spirit designed to give you a relaxed, social “buzz” without alcohol, hangovers, or sugar. It's made with noble kava root and crafted as a functional alternative for winding down or social settings. Go to KavaHaven.com/illhaveanother and use the code “Illhaveanother15” for 15% off your order. Goodr Goodr sunglasses are no-slip, no-bounce, all polarized, and actually affordable, with tons of fun styles and colors for summer. Go to goodr.com/another and use the code ANOTHER for $10 off your first order. Mount to Coast is a performance footwear brand focused on supporting runners who push beyond traditional race formats, especially in the ultrarunning space. Rather than taking a standard approach to race weekend activations, the brand leaned into its identity by backing unique efforts like Double Boston, providing athletes with both gear and logistical support to take on unconventional challenges. Their C1 shoe is designed with long-distance comfort in mind, offering substantial cushioning that holds up over extended efforts on the road. The brand's approach reflects a commitment to endurance, creativity, and meeting runners where they are, whether that's chasing a personal best or taking on something entirely outside the norm.
AFB, Anna-G, Josh and Phred welcome back ultrarunner, hospice nurse, and Vermont mountain crusher Lila Gaudrault back to the Cultra Trail Running Podcast to break down her experience at the legendary Cocodona 250. Lila takes us deep into the Arizona suffering machine, explaining how she showed up to a 250-mile race with a surprisingly loose game plan, then spent the better part of the first half battling nausea, dehydration, and the reality that 250 miles is a very long way to travel on foot. We talk about sleep deprivation, hallucination-adjacent trail weirdness, crew and pacer support, and the problem-solving mindset required when you're three days into a race and still have mountains to climb. The conversation explores how Cocodona differs from 100-milers, why the atmosphere at 200+ mile races feels more collaborative than competitive, and what Lila learned about managing fatigue, recovery, and the physical toll of multi-day events. We also dive into the science of gender differences in ultrarunning, pacing strategies, and the unique culture that develops when everyone is equally exhausted. Along the way, we discuss * Cocodona 250 race recap * Sleep strategy and managing fatigue * Nausea, dehydration, and race-day troubleshooting * Crew and pacer support in 200+ mile races * Hallucinations and sleep deprivation * Gender dynamics in ultrarunning * Vermont 100 and Backyard Ultras * Balancing hospice nursing and elite ultrarunning * Future race plans and FKTs * The upcoming CUT112 fundraiser for Connecticut Forest & Parks A four-day journey through the Arizona desert, countless lessons learned, and proof that sometimes the best race plan is figuring it out one aid station at a time. Subscribe to Lil's Substack "Running too Much" Cocodona 250 Get your official Cultra Clothes and other Cultra TRP PodSwag at our store! Outro music by Nick Byram Become a Cultra Crew Patreon Supporter basic licker. If you lick us, we will most likely lick you right back Cultra Facebook Fan Page Go here to talk shit and complain and give us advice that we wont follow Cultra Trail Running Instagram Don't watch this with your kids Twitter @BlueBlazeRunner Buy Fred's Book Running Home More Information on the #CUT112
We discuss athletes on the move (including, possibly, Michael Versteeg?!), Kilian Jornet's injury status, the Cocodona 250 lottery results, Tyler Andrews' Everest record, results from the Sunapee Scramble, Scout Mountain 100, and Twisted Fork Trail Festival, UTMB's latest event announcement in Vietnam, and our favorite content of the week.Partners:Precision Fuel and Hydration - use code SINGLETRACK at checkout for 15% off your next orderNorda - check out the 005: the lightest, fastest, most stable trail racing shoe ever madeRaide - Making equipment for efficient human-powered movement in the mountains Janji - premium trail running apparelMomentous - use code SINGLETRACK for up to 35% off your first order Kodiak Cakes - my favorite oatmeal and pancakes Support the show
World record ultramarathon runner Zach Bitter joins the MTNTOUGH Podcast to break down the insane demands of 250-mile races like Cocodona, the difference between mental toughness in 100-mile vs. multi-day events, and why durability often beats raw speed. He shares how he trains for sub-12-hour 100-milers, the real trade-offs between high-carb and low-carb fueling for endurance, and why pushing human limits requires reframing failure as data. Raw insights on sleep deprivation, gut training, and building unbreakable mental fortitude for backcountry athletes and ultra runners.Join Dustin Diefenderfer, Founder of MTNTOUGH Fitness Lab and creator of the MTNTOUGH+ Fitness App in the top podcast for Mental Toughness and Mindset. (P.S.
How do you feel after finishing a big race or objective? Listen in our The Dirt Division's glorified therapy session on how to deal with life after racing. They also discuss some of their favorites, suprises, and gear they are excited about so far in 2026.Guest: Rachel Entrekin won the Cocodona 250 outright which is just another major mliestone for her first full year as a professional runner. She is sponsored by some of our favorite brands in the indurstry. She chats about her background as PT, favorite gear, mindset around racing, and much more.SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS:Näak Nutrition: The Drop Listeners can get 15% off any Näak products by using code BITR15. Näak is a nutrition brand the leverages natural ingredients and research backed formulas to help athletes perform. They have a host of products like gels, drink, mixes, broths, bars, and recovery fuel. Their highest performance Boost line doubles down on the carbs for high-performance fuel that's also gut-friendly. Go to http://naak.com to explore and purchase.Lagoon: Sleep is one of the most underrated training components. We've been fans of Lagoon for years and use their custom pillows nightly to support a great night of sleep and, of course, our running. Go to http://lagoonsleep.com/believe to take a quick quiz to find the best pillow for you. Get 15% off your purchase by using code BELIEVE
In this episode, Drs. Drew Brannon and Gabby Caviedes unpack Rachel Entrekin's historic Cocodona 250 win as a lens for understanding performance under extreme pressure. From broader-than-self goals to micro-recovery, problem-solving under fatigue, and the power of "delusional belief," they explore what ultramarathon racing can teach us about preparation, resilience, and staying composed when we hit our limits.
I recently sat down with my good friend and frequent podcast guest Simon Freeman, the co-founder and publisher of my favorite running magazine, Like The Wind, for our second quarterly conversation of 2026, which you can listen to wherever you get the morning shakeout podcast. An excerpt of this exchange can be found in Issue #49 of LtW, which is out now. (You can buy a copy or subscribe here.)In this episode, recorded shortly after a wild spring marathon season, we dig into the first sub-2-hour marathon ever run in an actual race, the women's-only world record set the same day in London, the barnburners at both Boston and Cocodona, and how barrier-breaking performances reset our sense of what's possible.We also get into why racing (and not clock-chasing) is what makes this sport worth watching, running's growing pains around access to the majors, the case for racing local and supporting your community, and a lot more.Click here for complete show notes and sign up here to get the morning shakeout email newsletter delivered to your inbox every Tuesday.Music and editing for this episode of the morning shakeout podcast by John Summerford. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
In this episode we take a look at what recovery looks like after running 200+ miles. We chat about how long it takes, the food your body craves, the importance of sleep, the importance of your training age in recovery time, and more. Sally shares some valuable tips on how to recover after big efforts or after running 200+ miles while weaving in her own experiences, specifically her most recent Cocodona 250 race. Enjoy! Download Sally's Strength App! Sally McRae Strength AppAll links, discounts, and ways to support the podcast are here.Choose Strong Book Choose Strong Podcast YouTubeSally McRae YouTubeChoose Strong Merch Choose Strong Strava Group
Andy and Rick are joined by Mark from The Running Channel to break down an extraordinary year for elite running. In April alone, five of the ten fastest men's marathon times in history were recorded, while this year has also seen a new women's-only marathon world record and a new indoor 800m World Record. In the trail world, Rachel Entrekin smashed the Cocodona 250 course record by an incredible seven hours.Clearly, the elites are getting something right... so what can the rest of us learn from them?The team also dives into the catastrophic failure of the Enhanced Games and why, in hindsight, it perhaps shouldn't come as a surprise.The Running Channel Podcast tackles one big topic each episode, amongst helpful tips and light-hearted chat on the latest news in the running world. Hosted by Sarah Hartley (amateur runner) and Andy Baddeley (former pro runner) alongside Rick Kelsey (recovering runner), the TRC Podcast is friendly, jargon-free, and the perfect accompaniment to your runs.Join The Running Channel Club for exclusive additional podcast episodes, bite-sized courses, live Q&As and so much more! Head to The Running Channel ClubFor all enquiries contact podcast@therunningchannel.com .If you liked this, please subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. And leave us a 5* review and rating, it really helps us get discovered.We're on YouTube too, so check us out there: www.youtube.com/runningchannel .Mentioned in this episode:On Squad RaceUse code POD for 20% off The Running Channel Club
DJ joined us 300 episodes ago after winning World's Toughest Mudder. Fast forward 3 years and he just crossed the finish line of the Cocodona 250 in third place. From OCR athlete to big time Ultra runner, he has embodied the idea of staying the course.
It was a heavy week in trail running, to say the least. Katie Schide officially withdraws from Hardrock as her foot injury rehab continues, and Kilian Korth faces season-ending surgery on a peroneus longus tendon tear that took place during this year's Cocodona 250.Then the Cam Hanes situation. After Hanes admitted to using banned peptide BPC 157 in an Instagram thread following his 2:39 Eugene Marathon, Sage Canaday filed a USADA tip. We break down the ethics of doping enforcement below the pro tier and what Cam's outsized influence on the sport means for any resolution.Plus: Rachel Entrekin's new multi-year Norda deal through 2029, Rachel Drake's record-shattering FKT on the West Grandeur Ascent, Will Peterson ending his Appalachian Trail FKT attempt at the Mason-Dixon line, ASICS opening a year-round UTMB training base in Les Houches, results from Leavenworth Trailfest and the Golden Trail World Series, plus a Twisted Fork Trail Festival preview.Partners:Precision Fuel and Hydration - use code SINGLETRACK at checkout for 15% off your next orderNorda - check out the 005: the lightest, fastest, most stable trail racing shoe ever madeRaide - Making equipment for efficient human-powered movement in the mountains Janji - premium trail running apparelSupport the show
Kilian Korth finally cracked the code for a successful race at Cocodona 250 on his forth attempt. It didn't come without challenges and unpredictable hurdles to clear. Kilian is one of the best problem solvers in the sport. We discuss his approach, problem solving, and what makes Cocodona and multiday events so appealing in the modern ultramarathon era. Kilian: IG @runtoughmindset | Substack: https://runtoughmindset.substack.com/about | Kilian Korth x Creerpers Socks Episode Sponsors: ProBio: probionutrition.com/endurance Code: Endurance (20% Off) LMNT: drinkLMNT.com/HPO (free sample pack with purchase) deltaG: deltagketones.com Code: BITTER20 (20% Off) Podcast Details: Support HPO: zachbitter.com/hposponsors HPO Website: zachbitter.com/hpo Zach's Coaching: zachbitter.com/coaching Zach's Journal: substack.com/@zachbitter Find Zach: zachbitter.com | IG: @zachbitter | X: @zbitter | FB: Zach Bitter | Strava: Zach Bitter
Join us for a special Wednesday edition of Rest Day, today at 1pm PT on the Freetrail YouTube channel. We'll talk to David Sinclair about his amazing course record victory at Transvulcania and his path to Western States. In the back half of the show, we'll be joined by Zac Marion to talk about the state of live-streaming and the amazing 125hr broadcast he led at the Cocodona 250. We'll be LIVE on YouTube starting at 1pm PT today. SUBSCRIBE TO FREETRAIL'S NEWSLETTER - https://mailing.freetrail.com/newslettersignup JOIN FREETRAIL PRO - https://freetrail.com/pro REGISTER FOR TRAILCON - https://trailconference.com/register/ Sponsors: Use code FREETRAIL25 for 25% off your first order of NEVERSECOND nutrition at https://www.never2.com Check out the Capilene Cool Sun Hoodie from Patagonia https://www.patagonia.com/shop/favorites/capilene-cool-tech-tees/sun Use this link for 30% off Ketone-IQ - https://ketone.com/pages/dylan-bowman?utm_source=partners&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=FREETRAIL30 Freetrail Links: Website | https://freetrail.com/ Freetrail Pro | https://freetrail.com/freetrail-pro/ Patreon | https://www.patreon.com/dylanbowman Instagram | https://www.instagram.com/runfreetrail/ YouTube | https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8MKI1xB8YMchI1764zJXHg Freetrail Experts | https://freetrail.com/freetrail-experts/ Dylan Links: Instagram | https://www.instagram.com/dylanbo/ Twitter | https://twitter.com/dylanbo LinkedIn | https://www.linkedin.com/in/dylan-bowman-06174380/ Strava | https://www.strava.com/pros/1596921
In this episode we dive into Sally's Cocodona 250 race & give you an inside look as to how the race panned out! Sally touches on everything from bib pickup, the shoes she wore, her nutrition, how her body felt, finding solutions to her "low" points, how grateful she was to be at the start after the past year she had, and so much more! You'll be glad you tuned in for this episode! All links, discounts, and ways to support the podcast are here.Choose Strong Book Sally McRae Strength AppChoose Strong Podcast YouTubeSally McRae YouTubeChoose Strong Merch Choose Strong Strava GroupBe sure to take advantage of the deals from the episode's sponsors!ONESKIN: Get 15% off using code SALLY at oneskin.co/SALLYMUD/WTR: Get up to 43% off using code STRONG at mudwtr.com
1KG was a one hit wonder, Colt is going to state, and Rachel and Courtney are serious badasses. This episode is just a fun one, as usual. Kara gives a masterclass on parenting a young athlete while trying to stay calm during Colt's push for a state qualifying time in the 2-mile. He gets it with a massive PR. Kara and Des break down the impressive action from Cocodona 250 where Rachel Entrekin WON the whole damn thing in a course-record time. Meanwhile, Courtney Dauwalter conquers the 200+ mile distance for the first time to earn 2nd female and 6th overall. Is there anything she can't do?! Abby Steiner is suing Puma over "defective shoes?" What does that mean? Are super shoes even safe?!? Who needs a cuddle from their dog? And, who needs a little Ketone for recovery? Grab a blanket, your favorite pet, and cuddle up for another great episode! To take advantage of the Ketone deal from the episode, go to this link for Ketone-IQ: https://ketone.com/pages/nobody-asked-us.
Join us for a recap of the Cocodona 250 race - why and how Cam DNF'd, the importance of a race crew, Rachel Entrekin's record breaking finish, and more! Follow along: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cameronrhanes Twitter: https://twitter.com/cameronhanes Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/camhanes/ Website: https://www.cameronhanes.com Timestamps: 00:00:00 – Cam's DNF and Why Having a Race Crew is Important 00:08:12 – Cocodona Start Line 00:14:35 – Crown King, Running with Michael Versteeg, and How Cam Fell 00:29:41 – What Ultra Running Races Mean to Cam 00:46:05 – The Controversy Behind Peptides & BPC 517 01:03:52 – Women Athletes: Is Estrogen the Superpower? 01:14:43 – Surgery and Future Faces 01:23:01 – Upcoming Rivet's Bear Hunt & Aravaipa Running Thank you to our sponsors: Ketone IQ: https://www.ketone.com/Cam use code CAM for 30% off your first subscription Hoyt: http://bit.ly/3Zdamyv use code CAM for 10% off MTN OPS Supplements: https://mtnops.com/ Use code KEEPHAMMERING for 20% off Black Rifle Coffee: https://www.blackriflecoffee.com/ Use code KEEPHAMMERING for 10% your order Sig Sauer: https://www.sigsauer.com/ use code CAM10 for 10% off optics Grizzly Coolers: https://www.grizzlycoolers.com/ use code KEEPHAMMERING for 20% off
We had some HYPOTHESES for this amazing episode! The main topics all revolved around fatigue resistance (often called “durability” in the literature), which we think is the most exciting area of training theory and physiology. It started with Rachel Entrekin's legendary overall win at the Cocodona 250, an event that explores some of the strangest and coolest parts of endurance.Our big theory: what we're seeing in these wild ultras is directly connected to what we see in short distances. A new study looked at fatigue resistance variations between men and women, with some shocking results. We expand the scope to talk about the literature generally before going to some ideas for how it all might relate to the central nervous system....And how it relates to fueling. You could probably guess that we were going to talk about carbs.Plus, we answer questions about the culture of fueling for young athletes and feeling good after long runs!This one starts with a description of Megan's health journey. The hottest vacation is apparently a 3-day stay in Boulder Community Hospital. Things are scary, but we're holding onto hope for the future.We love you all! HUZZAH!-David and MeganClick "Get 40% Off" button for 40% off at The Feed here: thefeed.com/swapBuy Janji's amazing gear: https://janji.com (code "SWAP")The Wahoo KICKR Run is the best treadmill on the market: https://www.wahoofitness.com/devices/running/treadmills/kickr-run-buy (code “SWAP”)For training plans, weekly bonus podcasts, heart rate zones, articles, and videos: patreon.com/swap
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