Podcast appearances and mentions of jill well

Weapons Kids are creepy right? We can all agree on that? Well, you know whats even creepier? When there are meant to be kids and they aren’t there. Or even worse… there’s just one. Weapons is the new horror from Zach Cregger starring Julia Garner, Josh Brolin and Alden Ehrenreich, whose first break out hit Barbarian scared the hell out of us… and guess what? It’s got a whole bunch of creepy not-there kids! But is it actually good? Or is this just a bunch of kids “naruto running” towards oblivion? Dion, Jill and Quinny are all in or this review, with Quinny being the only one who hasn’t been traumatised by Barbarian yet. Synopsis When all but one child from the same classroom mysteriously vanish on the same night at exactly the same time, a community is left questioning who or what is behind their disappearance. https://youtu.be/Mw57elDUcdQ As always, a midnight thank-you to all you crazy kids join in with the conversation on the Twitch stream, live each Tuesday night at 7:30pm AEDT. 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But you know who I know is absolutely a weapon. Jill. Jill is absolutely a weapon.  Quinny  Look at those ******* guns. Boom.  Dion  And and Quinny is potentially a weapon.  Quinny  Look, I I had to register my entire body as deadly weapon as, as, as legally one is bound to when one is as hard as ******* as I.  Jill  Make a gun.  Dion  Am I was actually going to say if you. If you commit to it quinny, if you if you, if you you put yourself on a regime, if you go to the gym, you could build yourself into a weapon. And.  Quinny  Buddy, I I am a weapon. It’s just like I’m a 10 LB ******* gun. I’m like, you know, you you you’re thinking of like a a fast kind of swishy weapon. I’m more like a like a a fat man bomb that gets dropped off, you know.  Speaker 6  Yeah.  Quinny  So technically, still the weapon.  Dion  I wasn’t gonna. I wasn’t gonna go there.  Quinny  Yeah, well, I know. And as telling us, there’s better being a weapon than being a tool. What are you?  Dion  Yeah, yeah. Now you’re a ******. Don’t don’t tism me. This is that will go down a rabbit hole. We’re not going to do it. Yes. OK. Weapons. We went and.  Quinny  I know, right?  Dion  Saw weapons. We did, we.  Quinny  Can’t get a water bomb is a weapon too.  Dion  All of that what is a weapon? Yeah.  Quinny  Is that my physique? Is that what? Speaker 7  We’re saying no.  Dion  Philosophically. OK, so story time now. A while back, Jill and I went and saw a.  Jill  Little film we trauma bonded over, but Marion.  Dion  Yeah, we trailer bond, we weren’t. We didn’t know what was going on. We weren’t. It was like, ohh this film. It’s called barbarian. OK, whatever. We’ll go do that. And they were good. They gave us some alcohol. I’m like, oh, yeah. Let’s get on this and started watching a film. And then. Don’t know, maybe. 3045 minutes into it, we started going wait, where the **** is this going? And and it just proceeded to get even ******* more terrifying and crazy all the way to the end. And then we walked out going. That was ******* cool.  Jill  Yes, it was ****** **, but it was cool.  Dion  Yeah, it was.  Speaker  Quinny  You’re not normally a huge horror fan. No, but like you, you will watch it. If it’s in front of.  Dion  I mean, you know, like I’m not the sort of person who’s like, oh, is it gory and horror, sure. Or go and laugh. I’m just more like, I don’t really need to see that. It has to be a good horror, elevated horror. Elevated horror is a discerning horror. Which, you know, like the traditional stuff like nightmare on Elm Street, you know and.  Quinny  13th.  Dion  Friday 13th and I don’t really go into. I don’t need to see Gore for the sake of gore.  Jill  Those are like a sub genre though those are.  Dion  Yeah, yeah. And slasher. Yeah. And but a good.  Speaker 6  Slasher films, yeah.  Quinny  Horror. Torture. ****. Not it’s like, you know, that kind of stuff where it’s just watching people be.  Dion  Nice.  Jill  Like so.  Quinny  Exactly.  Dion  Yeah. Yeah. I mean, like all that kind of stuff can kind of get a bit confused in. But you know, I can’t say I’m a fan of it because, you know, given the choice, I’m not sure that I’d go and see barbarian or weapons again in that kind of sense. But was it a good film? Yeah.  Speaker  But.  Dion  You know, it was just that way that it kind of went through. So sure, I’m not a huge horror fan. Jill. Jill though. Yeah, she yeah loves it. Except for.  Jill  You love it. Clowns. No, no, it I’ll never watch it.  Dion  Yeah. So. It.  Quinny  Ohh, but you’re you’re not looking forward to welcome. To Derry then.  Speaker 6  Yeah.  Quinny  The the prequel to it.  Jill  Good, because I would have thought it was something to do with dairy.  Dion  Yeah.  Speaker 8  Girls and I would have gone and seen it. And I would have been very upset.  Quinny  Why would you would have? It’s a TV series coming out soon and I’m actually really pumped. I’ve.  Speaker 6  Yeah, no.  Quinny  It was one of those books that ******* creeped this **** out of me as a kid and you know, I’m like, yeah.  Dion  Sure.  Jill  I couldn’t stare at a drain for a very long time because my father would say ohh it lives in the trees and it’s little children. So here I am in the shower, not making eye contact.  Dion  Sure.  Speaker 6  Yeah, yeah.  Jill  With the brain.  Dion  With the train.  Jill  Thinking it was any kind of drain that this ******* clown lived in.  Dion  Which which technically it did. So it does live in every drain and it is a clown.  Jill  Yeah. Yeah. And I’m like, don’t look down there cause you’ll see something staring back and. I was *******. He’s terrified.  Quinny  Hi, Georgie.  Dion  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like if if I go down that rabbit hole, I could still easily terrify the **** out of myself.  Quinny  Yep.  Dion  Yes, so.  Jill  I do kind of tend to watch horror as a form of. Therapy. Because I’m in a constant state of fight or.  Speaker 8  Flight with anxiety and if.  Jill  I were to ah. Film. Then I I know that that is something that I can’t control and it’s I just have to go along for the ride. So I just kind of like purges the fright.  Dion  Sure. I mean it’s.  Quinny  Out and also. Yeah, it gives you that, that, that moment of tension and then release, whereas having a life of anxiety means there’s no release. Yeah, exactly.  Speaker 6  Yes.  Quinny  Just tension. Constant ******* ongoing tension.  Jill  Yeah.  Quinny  Yeah. Yeah, no, I get that totally.  Dion  Quinny, do you consider yourself a fan of horror?  Quinny  As a kid, **** no. Like I was terrified of anything that looked even remotely like horror, you know, like, even seeing a cover of a VHS of something like extra or fright night or something like that was enough to make me, you know. You have nightmares for ages, so it took me a really long time till I ever went anything near horror and I came to horror through so if I.  Dion  Sure.  Quinny  So right, you know, the first horror that I watched was aliens. And yeah, because that wasn’t really a horror. That was, you know, an action film that had horror elements.  Speaker 6  Hmm.  Quinny  Then I went back and rewatched or watched alien and was scared ********. But then I started to kind of get into it. No invasion of the body snatchers and. Like that and now I have a thing that I’m not in a huge rush to go and watch a horror.  Speaker 6  Sure. Yeah.  Quinny  But I will watch a good one.  Dion  And so back to this whole sort of story when weapons came out and it’s by Zach Krieger, who Jill and I have had the Zach Cregger experience with barbarian. And while we were like, this is gonna be like I I remember I was looking at.  Speaker 6  Hmm.  Speaker  We have.  Dion  Oh great. Ohh wait. OK. Like I’ll go see what this is, but I knew what I was going into. The funniest thing was watching it with Quinn, who had not. Had this experience at. All just going. What the **** I’m like, yeah.  Quinny  No. That’s in fact there. There are multiple times in the film where characters exclaim loudly what the ****? Sure, and I agree wholeheartedly with them.  Jill  Yeah.  Dion  Because there is a part of this where I feel like weapons is communicating with the audio. Once in a really interesting way and it doesn’t spoil anything. I just feel like there are parts of the movie and beats of the story and things that are going where it the the film makers are communicating with the audience going. We’ve just shown you a bunch of ****** ** **** and we’ve had a character on screen and saying what the **** and the whole audience is like. Yeah, what the ****?  Quinny  Yeah, yeah.  Dion  And it really it was an interesting as you were saying, the release of tension and I felt like that came through at the end too where it. Diverged a little bit, but allowed the audience to have that tension released, which has been built up for the whole thing, so I consider this one not particularly a horror, but it is. Let’s be honest. Yeah, it is. Yeah.  Jill  Ohh it is.  Dion  But it is.  Quinny  It’s it’s a proper horror, but you know.  Dion  It’s a it’s a really good tension film.  Jill  Yeah, Arena asked. Is it more of a thriller? But I would say no, it’s definitely.  Speaker 6  And.  Dion  No, no.  Jill  Not not thriller.  Dion  No, because and the horror.  Quinny  It. It does good tension building and it is it has that kind of thriller kind of thing, but no, it’s very definitely.  Dion  Yeah.  Speaker 6  Yes.  Dion  Yeah, as you say, like, oh, I’m not going with jump scares. I’m like, well, maybe this is not for you.  Quinny  In fact, this has moments that are not jump scares, but like there are there are some of the most effective moments of like, skin crawling horror that I have seen in a long time, and hearing a whole.  Dion  Horror. Just dread. That contained no.  Quinny  Audience yeah, react to them and ohh wow.  Dion  With like and they have no blood. It’s just really good ******* creepy ****.  Speaker 1  Yeah, and like.  Dion  That you’re waiting for something.  Jill  I I love all of that stuff. And when one of. The big jump scares happened and I screamed.  Dion  He did.  Speaker  It was great.  Quinny  A big way.  Dion  Yeah, and. And look, let’s be honest, we all knew it was coming. Like that’s one of the great things when you still have that result like ohh ****. Even though I knew it was coming.  Speaker 6  Yeah.  Jill  Yes. Yeah. Like, I’m like, oh, my God, I know this is coming. And then it did. And then I screamed. And I’m like, I haven’t screamed and. It jumps Gary and ages. Yeah. So it was it. Was a good pay off do do you wanna know?  Dion  And the.  Quinny  What the film’s actually about? No, no.  Dion  Not yet. One one second, one second. Can I, can I ask you one question because I don’t actually have any music and you’ve caught me off guard.  Quinny  I think. It. Yeah.  Dion  The last movie that I saw that did the same kind of thing that I really actually didn’t enjoy was smile too. Ohh yeah yeah. So watched that. Yeah, and I mean.  Jill  Never.  Quinny  Ohh you should get into that Joe.  Jill  Yeah, it’s on, it’s on telly. I’ll watch it, yeah.  Quinny  Yeah. That for the for the discomforting side of it, Dee or the.  Dion  No, the the way that it like, I mean smile, which I haven’t seen and I saw smile to going in blind which is a bit funny but I understood the craft and I thought they did it really well but they jump scares became a point where it was. Just this is the building to a jump scare. Whereas I liked weapons more because it was like is it a jump scare? Maybe you know? And it was some sort of smarter done and then sometimes was like, hey, it’s not a jump scare. It’s just something absolutely ******* terrifying that doesn’t really do it. Yeah, it’s it’s. And it’s not about some. That is terrifying. It’s the idea of it is built and constructed in such a great way that the audience is filling in their brain about how terrifying and what bad things could happen, and then it doesn’t really happen that way. It just puts the the situation goes, hey, how would you react to this situation? And everyone in the audience is going *******. No, I don’t want to be in that situation. I don’t want. To do this, I want to leave. Anyway.  Quinny  Absolutely. OK.  Dion  Sorry, synopsis time. Do you know what I’ve got? I’ve got on the boards for the music to go behind. It is stuff.  Quinny  I don’t know.  Dion  From Kpop Demon Hunter. So do you want that? Why not? We haven’t had enough.  Speaker 6  No.  Quinny  Why? No, I mean, hey, by the way, the the golden from K pop demon hunters went to number one of the Billboard charts today. Wow.  Dion  Excellent. Hear it again.  Speaker 7  Yeah, well, let’s go with.  Quinny  We’re just increasing its plays.  Dion  Sure.  Quinny  Jill  You’re gonna give us, like a Anna Delphi.  Quinny  Ohh but I can because you’re a poor.  Dion  Yes, do it.  Quinny  OK, when all but one child from the same classroom mysteriously vanish on the same night at exactly the same time because they’re porous.  Speaker 7  Right.  Quinny  A community is left questioning who or what is behind the disappearances. Sorry that just turned into the chick from SBS.  Speaker 8  This is going.  Jill  I was like, it’s like Christoph Waltz and Christopher Walken met Christoph Walton.  Quinny  First off. I apologize. I apologize to everybody that was, that was the absolute peak of **** accent.  Speaker  Yeah.  Jill  Wait, was that the whole boxes?  Quinny  Yeah. When all but one child from the same club, I can.  Speaker  Oh.  Quinny  Do a slightly longer. 1 So it’s a a horror film about a community grappling with the disappearance of 17 children from the same class, all vanishing at the same time on the same. Night and it follows. The aftermath, exploring things of trauma, grief, and the unsettling nature of the events of the townspeople, tried to understand. What happened and who is responsible?  Dion  Double s in officers. OK, one of them was backed by K pop and the other was. Just a flat scare. So. OK, yeah, good.  Quinny  Sorry.  Dion  Good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good so.  Quinny  Right. Yeah. That’s how we should do it. That’s that’s how we work there. Yes. And there was a little gesture.  Dion  Now very.  Quinny  In there I’m.  Dion  Sorry, very, very, very importantly, there was a notice in front of the screening. Which was, hey, don’t spoil it for people where people go in and I thought, OK, it’s a bit naff. Let the thing stand on its own. You know, there’s no need to go through it. But it went on upon reflection.  Speaker 8  Yes.  Dion  Having it’s it’s been out for a while now. I actually kind of go. Yeah, I don’t. Really want to. Do a big spoil because not that I think you’d lose anything from it. I just think it’s a more interesting film to not know. Sort of the last third going into it, I think it has a better effect, not not giving a **** about it. Like, don’t really listen. To. People reviewing it and and spoiling stuff because. You kind of lose.  Jill  It. Yeah, I mean, the trailer was enough and then kind of like discovering what is actually going on is I think lends more to the suspense and and keeps it interesting.  Dion  Yeah.  Speaker  Yeah.  Quinny  Yeah, I do want to talk like a little bit structurally about what happens at the end of the film, but I don’t want to talk about.  Jill  Oh yeah. OK.  Quinny  The the the facts of it like you know. But anyway, let’s not talk about that bit. Let’s talk about the beginning of the film. So a base concept, a bunch of kids run away one night. But it’s not just that they run away.  Speaker 7  Yeah.  Quinny  They Naruto runner.  Jill  Naruto run, they’re going to storm area 51. Yeah, at 2:17 in the morning? Absolutely.  Dion  At 2:17 and it’s all through grainy camera footage. And I love the little child like voice, voice over narration of, like, this is a true story. This is the stuff that happened and blah blah blah and I’m like.  Speaker 7  Which is.  Jill  Yeah, it gives it a little bit of found footage vibe.  Dion  Bit Nash.  Jill  Which is yeah. It’s like a bit creepy.  Quinny  Yeah, yeah, this this does that whole found footage and like, different cameras and stuff like that. So much better than that war of. The world’s ********.  Dion  ****, don’t. Don’t even. It’s it’s an interesting one too, because what I really like about it is it is. It is an easy to understand story. It’s set in suburban Americana. Sort of. There is something creepy going on in a space that generally wouldn’t be considered creepy, and I think you did it also in barbarian like and I and I really enjoy that. It doesn’t necessarily need. Rich people, poor people. It’s not about, you know, X&Y. It’s like, look, this weird thing happened. Hmm, that has probably been going on for a long time. In this and everyone is unsettled by it, but in the end. Life will keep going. And I really, I really like they explained at the start, they’re like ohh this really strange thing and in the end everyone just sort of accepted it. And moved on because it was too upsetting for people and I really like that it gave it a good basis and a good foundation to sort of settle in and go, OK what the?  Quinny  **** did happen but, but also it it does that that very smart thing of going OK how do people in you know, small towns react to bad things happening? They’ll turn.  Dion  You know clue.  Speaker 7  Insect.  Quinny  And and the the most obvious person to turn on is the the the school teacher. So if every kid from the class Bar 1. You know doesn’t show up who’s the first thing you’re gonna look at the school teacher. You’re gonna ask questions there.  Jill  See, I’m the opposite. I’m like, why is this one? Kid left on, yeah.  Quinny  Oh yeah, 100 percent, 100%.  Jill  What’s going on with this kid?  Quinny  And the the the good thing is they actually show you like they they interview the kid, they do a lot of like they go to great lengths to really show you that due diligence has been done. Yeah. You know, and this is just there is no answer. It’s just ******* weird.  Jill  Yeah, it’s it’s puzzling.  Dion  And and like I love that they used quite well in this, like the vignette sort of style, the way they chop it up and they follow, you know, you get introduced to kind of some of the characters and then you get like as you get introduced to more, it starts replaying their stories. And I like the way that they use that quite effectively, which is like here’s. This person, and this is their story. And then we’ll follow someone else and it overlaps and it overlaps and it overlaps until you finally get to the.  Jill  Yeah. And chill, there’s a point where it’s like, hang on a second. Something really *******.  Dion  Yeah.  Jill  Weird’s going on?  Dion  And until it gets to the point where it’s like, OK, we’ve given you enough back story about how all these things are kind of overlapping and then we’re just gonna follow this one. And explain exactly what happened and you were like by that time you’re like ohh ****. Like, how do you resolve this? What the **** did happen?  Quinny  Yeah.  Jill  Yeah, it was a good point to reveal it as well because like, it was a very kind of slow burn intro to the movie. And I was like, ohh, where is this going like?  Dion  Yeah.  Jill  It’s maybe, yeah, becoming a little bit dull until like you do get that pivot point and it’s like, ohh ****. OK now strap in, cause I’m ready for.  Dion  So.  Quinny  Yeah, yeah, yeah. She’s gotten real ****** **. Yeah, it it’s interesting because I was watching it and my immediate thought was the film rush him on, which is the one where they they tell the same story, but from different perspectives. And you see the way that interacts. It’s like that. But it it’s sort of.  Jill  The rest of it.  Speaker  Hmm.  Jill  Yeah.  Quinny  Just showing you different parts, but then continuing the story on. Yeah, which I thought was really smart.  Jill  And thank God you you made the cultural reference and didn’t go with like Pulp Fiction.  Quinny  Sure. Well, you know, because I’ve all filmically ******* knowledgeable.  Dion  I mean, look, you know.  Jill  It was like, where did that reference come from? Russian.  Dion  Barbarian great one much shorter like Barbarians. Only 100 minutes. Yeah, right. This one’s 128 minutes. So we got almost an extra half hour of, you know, additional weirdness, which I think was deserved in this. Like I really like the pacing and the punch of barbarian because it just kind of like starts off real slow and then starts hammering through this one. Get it? Has the same sort of thing. It starts off real slow, but it gives you time to build that tension. And then I think at the end, a little bit more. Time like. When you start explaining things. I thought it would move a little bit quicker, but I have to admit by the end of it I was like, Oh no, I’m fine with how you. Decided you wanted to go with this and by the time you get to that big turn or the big understanding about what is going on, which I say is like 2/3 of the way. Through the film. It does delve into stuff where I’m like, is this funny? Is this not funny? But also, how are you gonna resolve this? And the only way to do it is. Kind of with a little bit of ridiculousness. But I thought it. Was it served it quite well?  Quinny  I think the thing that worked for me about it was the way the characters each sort of had their their very clear part of the story. 3 and when it intersects with one particular place, that’s where **** starts to go badly wrong for everyone you know you’re you’re trying to. Everybody’s trying to work out. Something and they’ve all got their their challenges. So you’ve you’ve got our our Julia Garner. Who’s been Justine, who obviously school teacher Josh Brolin is the dad of one of the. Benedict Wong is one of the the principal principal of the the school. Alden Ehrenreich is one of the cops, and Austin Abrams is is a a junkie for I mean, for lack of any better description.  Jill  He’s.  Dion  Just cop.  Quinny  And each of them.  Speaker 6  They’ve.  Quinny  Their their thing, their story, their interaction, yeah.  Speaker 7  Sure.  Jill  And each of their encounters with what is going on. And so you kind of get their perspective on. Ohh man, how do we trying?  Speaker 8  It’s hard not to spoil it, but.  Dion  Isn’t it you? You get there? It’s, it’s. Yeah, they they put out like, I mean the the, the film posits a strange occurrence, and then all of these different people come into it at different ways, like their their approach that they’re in, they’re affected by it in different ways. And the way that they approach it is. All 100% what everyone knew and I would do like. Yeah, there are no, there is no stupid situation. I have to admit there’s nothing stupid about each of these characters and decisions they’re making along the way. It’s just that there is something else affecting them and we as the audience know that there is something real bad. Happening and we can’t stop them, even though within their characters like, you know, the problem with horror and like that kind of stuff. You’re like, don’t go into there. That’s stupid. You never do that. Stop splitting. Up. I don’t think there’s one character in this that makes a dumb.  Speaker 6  Yeah.  Dion  Every single character is like. This is weird. But I need to find the kids. And I’m just going to do something that’s seemingly innocuous but suddenly ends up in a world. Of hurt. Like and, that’s what I thought was great about it. Isn’t one of those things like watch out for the slash? Are they going to get you? It’s like, no, they don’t know they’re. Going to be gotten. Because they’re doing something really boring, like going to a house. In the middle of the day, yeah. And then, you know, bad **** happens not because they made a dumb decision, because something else is affecting them.  Quinny  Yes. Yeah, it’s, it’s smart and it doesn’t treat its audiences in any way stupid. Yeah, it takes some weird turns. Ohh.  Dion  100%.  Quinny  Like, yeah, there’s, I don’t know whether we talk about it afterwards or what, but there’s stuff to in the last act that I was just like, what the ****? And it really there was in some very strange directions. But up until that point, you’ve also had a bunch of pretty ******* weird moments. And there’s a point where.  Speaker  Yeah.  Quinny  Like you said, Joe, it’s gone fairly slowly for a while. Yeah. And then there’s a point. Where it just suddenly ramps up and it’s no longer creeping dread. Now it’s running ******* screaming, running, screaming, terrifying.  Jill  Naruto running.  Quinny  This is ******** terror.  Dion  And. Look, I I. Liked it because they set everyone up as an unreliable narrator or character, but everyone is in is is unreliable in this you immediately start following Justine, who’s the school teacher, and they go to great lengths to explain why. Maybe she.  Speaker 6  Yeah.  Speaker  It.  Dion  You know, and they do all of that like maybe the father, like is Josh Brolin’s character is maybe he’s got something to do with it because he seems. Overly crazy at certain points of time, but. Ultimately it’s it’s it’s very sane reactions to a very insane situation, and I think that was the success of how it worked.  Speaker 6  For me, does that make sense? Yeah. Here’s one roll. Sorry.  Dion  Hmm, also shot beautifully. Also shot. Beautifully.  Quinny  Shot beautifully and a lot of it in the very, very, very dark.  Dion  But that’s what worked, man.  Quinny  Absolutely. Like there are a lot of sequences moving around through dark houses and at night and stuff like that, which you know is one of those great tropes of all things horror. I do remember watching something recently only in the last couple of years where I was blown away that they did a horror, but in full daylight.  Jill  Oh, OK.  Quinny  And I’m bugged if I remember what it was, but it it it really impressed me that they managed to do. In full light, this one does a bit of it here and then the really.  Speaker 7  The character I.  Quinny  Wanted to call out that I thought was really impressive. Was James the our junkie buddy, really?  Speaker 8  OK, well, I was impressive.  Quinny  His character, like in terms of performance wise. Not likable, not likable at all, but the energy that he came at that with.  Speaker  No.  Quinny  Like the the really nervous ****** ** energy and the like. The complete sort of. Unreliability of the character I was like ****, that’s a really good performance. I don’t like the guy. I don’t like him at all, but that’s cause it’s a really good performance.  Speaker 8  Yeah.  Jill  Yeah, that’s true.  Dion  You know? Yeah. I mean, yeah, that was like, I mean, to be honest, halfway like by the time we got to that character, I didn’t know how they were going to make him scary because he is just a junkie. And they did do some pretty good, scary, scary scenes with that just really boring situation. Technically, when you look back at it after the jump scares and after everything has happened, you’re like ****. That was so tense. For something that was really boring.  Quinny  There is a sequence and I the possibly the sequence that the whole cinema reacted to the most.  Speaker  MHM.  Quinny  And. I don’t. It’s what I love about it and I’m not going to try and describe it because it it would be doing it a disservice to describe the sequence. But what I loved about it was that it was. Fear created almost purely through sound. Like there’s a visual element to it. Something that is this growing danger.  Dion  Yeah.  Quinny  But then the use of sound was the thing that made the whole audience go **** no. Like literally the guy behind me when you heard a particular sound that door open just went oh, no. Oh, no, no.  Speaker  Yeah.  Quinny  No. And I heard.  Jill  The dream sequence.  Speaker 6  No, no, no. OK, it’s.  Dion  It’s this like this, like stalking sequence.  Quinny  In a car.  Speaker 7  Ohh.  Dion  Yeah. Yeah, right.  Speaker 7  Yep, Yep.  Dion  See this is this is what I’m talking about the the the ability to create tension based around very boring, very banal, very normal ****.  Speaker 6  Mm-hmm.  Dion  In this is great. By doing you know great things. I was like, great. It’s gonna be in the middle of night. It’s like 2:00 AM. She’s creepy anyway. Yeah. And now we’re going to make this creepier by, you know, making it sound like there aren’t many sounds like you can hear things, but you don’t need to see it. Like, if you hear, don’t show.  Quinny  Yeah.  Speaker 6  Hmm.  Dion  It can be very creepy and I like that too when there are inside certain other houses and they’re doing the low light stuff that you kind of do.  Jill  Not just sound, but like lack of sound.  Dion  And yeah, lack of sound is a great. A great way to do that.  Jill  I think one of my favorite sequences was the dream sequence of Josh Brolin’s character because it was shot from like first person perspective. So really felt like a dream. And because it was like, you know, semi dark and like the cameras turning as if like. A person is walking through a house and you know doors are opening, but you’re not seeing it because it’s as if you’re doing it. Was absolutely terrifying because there’s like. If anybody has ever had a nightmare where, like you can’t control what’s going on and you’re like, fighting with yourself to even accomplish something within the dream, it felt just like that and that. Was that was. Really incredible bit of movie making, I thought.  Quinny  And and the the every time you round a corner or whatever, you’re expecting something to. Be there to to, you know, wanna hurt you or whatever. Cause you know vaguely where what we’re kind of doing here. We’re in horror territory. Yeah, but.  Dion  Yeah, yeah. And on top of that, I also love the the interesting ability here to allow the audience to really use their imagination while they’re watching this because.  Speaker 6  Mm-hmm.  Dion  Setting up a camera. Like we we had in the end of the trailer there or not at the end of the trailer, but like there’s scenes of like an open doorway, it’s pitch black. You can’t really see anything inside, but can you because your mind starts to fill things in?  Speaker 8  Yeah, I know. Cause it felt. It’s exactly like nightmares that I have where you’re like you’re looking and you’re looking. And it’s like you’re trying to make out something and it’s like is that.  Dion  Exactly.  Speaker 8  Something? Or is it just like?  Dion  Is it a shape? Is it a shape in the room or is it just your? Your chair group has come alive, or those those other ones, so I thought was really good, which is moving around the house and everything is normal and fine. But wait.  Speaker  Yeah, my God.  Dion  What is that like when you when your brain finally kicks in and goes, that’s not actually supposed to be there. That is not what you expect in that sort of thing. And you have to come back to it and you realize ****.  Speaker 6  Mm-hmm.  Dion  That’s terrifying. Like, these are the successful things about it, which is why I really hated watching it. But I enjoyed the. **** out of. The movie, like it was just fun and it was really fun. It, like really, as I said, it was really fun taking quinny along. So I recommend someone take someone who hasn’t seen their **** before.  Jill  Hey.  Dion  Hey, sorry Jill.  Jill  Yay on the titz off scale.  Dion  Yes, titz off none left **** all gone flying everywhere.  Jill  None left. That’s a big fat 0 on. The **** off scale.  Dion  They, they they, they were like, you know, Shinkansen hanging out the window. ****, they’re just gone.  Quinny  Love that we both.  Speaker 7  Had the same age. I love that they’re.  Dion  Connected though. I just thought that they’re like.  Quinny  Well, they connected for a while and then they go. Right. I I don’t know how many tips are off for me because I was scared titless.  Speaker 8  Ah, well, there you go. That’s zero as well.  Quinny  Yeah.  Speaker 7  Yeah, like.  Jill  I don’t know, just like in the last couple of movies that I’ve seen this month, I’ve just have not had. A reaction like I did. With this one MMM.  Quinny  Yeah. Yeah. Well, and and you, you come out of it with a very distinct sense of man. I’ve watched something. Yeah, like. You know, it wasn’t safe. It wasn’t normal. It it. It didn’t feel like just your average ******* horror. Like, oh, God. What was that movie we watched a couple of years back for? None. Like, based on The Conjuring thing.  Speaker 8  Yeah.  Jill  Yeah.  Quinny  And it was just like, yeah, it’s a horror film. Yes. There’s a spooky nun. Cool. Like, in some ways, smile was a little bit like that, though I did find it was creepy as ****. But this, I don’t know, this was doing something different. This was really going into a different level of. Scary.  Dion  I I feel like collectively. Everyone was like in the film that I was sitting there going. And yes and. Everyone just kind of decided not to talk about it anymore, cause too many people died and it was too freaky. And I’m like, yes, kind of like barbarian. Kind of like weapons. We’ve watched it now and ****, you know, a lot of stuff happened and things are good, but like. Just collectively not gonna watch it again. Or not gonna talk about it because you’re still processing stuff about it. Umm. Yeah. Anyway, look. But also, you know, I can see why some people were unhappy with it.  Quinny  What? Where do you think? It didn’t work.  Dion  It’s interesting because, well, I don’t think it it’s. I can see how some people were a bit unhappy with it because they might have wanted to go more into the slasher horror kind of stuff at the end because I feel like there was the turn that happens and it goes into more explanations. You don’t really understand.  Speaker  Oh.  Dion  Exactly what’s going on, but came to me. It became more comedy and I was like ohh, I’m getting this now. You just have to go with it and you know the ending isn’t as satisfying. I think that some people were really after because it has no resolution for the characters. But. You know, I feel like after the tension of the 1st. Aaron, Aaron. A bit. I was like, I’m happy for it to just help me relieve the tension.  Quinny  Yeah.  Dion  Yeah. And also, you know, people could be sitting there going. Ohh, I didn’t. You know, everyone thought it was great, but I didn’t like it. Like, yeah, OK, I did.  Speaker 6  Hmm.  Dion  It was fun.  Quinny  I’d I’d like predicate because thing I went in after hearing a ton of fat, and though I enjoyed it, I’m still firmly bitted.  Dion  Still, yeah, sure.  Quinny  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, like I can see why. So there is a massive tonal turn. Like. Yeah, and there’s a point where, like it goes. We’ve already talked about where it ramps up, the action, kind of the the like, the threat becomes a lot higher. Mm-hmm. But then there’s another point a little bit later on where it takes a fairly sharp left turn. Into what could be seen as comedy.  Dion  Yeah.  Jill  Yeah. I mean, I think it’s a comedic moment, but it kind of like washes all of the drama and the the evil away and kind of leaves you with. OK, this was a really ****** ** situation and you know a number of horrific things happened, but by the end of it, we’re all able. To walk away. Like and put the situation behind us and I think. If it hadn’t have ended, you know very finally like the way it did. Then it kind of leaves you open to explore that situation maybe happening again. So I think like, yeah, I think I feel like the comedic twist of the ending. Was to relieve all of the tension that we built throughout the whole movie.  Quinny  Absolutely now.  Jill  But to do it in a way that wasn’t necessarily with a scare.  Quinny  Yeah, though I I would say that they I felt like we started to get elements of comedy earlier. Ohh, OK. Like essentially when we’re introduced to one of the characters that we haven’t talked about that does. Kind of push the film into a different space. It goes from being kind of. Of. This uncertainty about what? Is happening too. Suddenly there is a. Focus for it. And the focus is. Or could be. Are let down 4 people and I. Yeah. So I had that that moment where I was like that’s that’s a weird ******* choice and I’m still creeped out. But yeah.  Dion  Should.  Jill  I I’ll stand by that choice because I think it was. It’s a good way to catch you unawares.  Quinny  Yeah, yeah, very true. Very, very.  Dion  True. So, Jill while. Try and find your **** to. Reattach them.  Speaker  Shouldn’t.  Quinny  Somewhere in the fields of Japan and all. Through the.  Dion  Quinnie, do you have a rating for for weapons?  Speaker 7  Yeah.  Quinny  Oh yes, that’s a good question. OK, I’m going to go.  Speaker 6  Adding.  Quinny  I was genuinely creeped out by most of the film, and I think it works. Incredibly well as a. Really. Proper, good, scary ******* horror. Your your mileage is going to vary as to whether or not the last bit like the the last. From a certain point onwards, works for you. For me, it did kind of make me go. Huh. But it still kept the tension pretty high. So yeah, that’s where I’m at. It’s 84. If you’ve got a number, drop it. Dion  Jewel. Right.  Quinny  In that chat. I look for them.  Dion  I was going to go 85. Ah, but I’m not. I’m gonna go 86 because I like round math. So, dude, Jill, you could totally frustrate me but.  Jill  Even number.  Dion  Getting an odd number.  Quinny  That prick dangers jumped to 93, so **** you.  Dion  Yeah.  Jill  Well, then I’ll bring it back and. I’ll, I’ll go. For a 91 so that we can.  Speaker 6  Oh ****.  Jill  Even it up.  Dion  All right.  Jill  We’re going to go 90, but because of the odd number, I’ll go 91 even it.  Dion  Yeah. Out again. Yeah, 86. I really. I really enjoyed it. I thought it was just, like, kind of watching barberry and like, what the **** is happening? But it’s really good. Can I recommend it to people? Yes, with, with, with ******* guard rails as in. You know, Peter didn’t come. That’s OK. She’s not going to see this. You know, she’s going to be like, Nope.  Quinny  Not the kind of thing that.  Dion  Beck’s gonna like. No, no, all of those kinds of things like it. It’s not for everyone. But I do think it’s great. So, yeah, that was my 86. And, Jill, you’ve already got not 91.  Speaker  No.  Jill  At 91, I I have a horror friend and I immediately went to her and said hey, I watched weapons and she said Ohh good, I’m going to go and see it on Friday. And then when she came back to me, she.  Speaker 8  Said what the ****? That was so good.  Jill  Like that ending was So what the ****? And I’m like, yeah, but it was great. And like, yeah, we were just, like, dissecting, you know, the way that they built tension and all that kind of stuff and the pay offs were were all really good. I got to say the creative.  Speaker 6  Yeah.  Jill  Format for the storytelling was was great. I thought that was very inventive for like a horror film. Yeah, the.  Speaker 8  Anything that made me ******* scream, I’m like, yes. Big ticks so.  Quinny  Yeah, it takes a bit to actually get you to scream. I I heard you scream and I thought that wouldn’t have.  Jill  There were so many moments throughout the film where I actually had to stop eating and drinking because holding on to the chair and I’m like, crawling back into the chair, like with my arms crossed thinking Oh my God, Oh my God, Oh my God. And yeah, it it made me out loud scream, not just like shock. No, I screamed. And thank God it was like a loud. Tension release in the. Audio of the film as well to kind of cover up. The embarrassment of me screaming in a horror movie, but yeah.  Dion  And. I had the yeah.  Jill  Really thoroughly enjoyed.  Speaker  It.  Dion  I had The thing is like I I like weapons as a journey. Of a film. Like.  Speaker 6  Hmm.  Dion  I don’t think that there’s like there’s no point talking about A twist or a turn or this thing and this other what the **** I’m like. I like the journey of the film. Yeah, I mean.  Jill  I feel like you don’t get to have all of this fun in the end of the movie if you don’t put in the work at the start of getting through the build up.  Dion  Yeah. And by chopping it up and following.  Quinny  Yeah, you’ve gotta get to know the characters.  Dion  Yeah. And chopping up and following people with different experiencing not the same time from a different perspective, but also like different times at different perspectives. Once you understood the establishment of the character.  Jill  Yeah, but you kind of start to get little other pieces in within these people stories so that you can, like, try to build what’s happening before it’s just revealed to you in the movie. So like you as an audience are actually doing work in the film.  Dion  Yeah.  Speaker 6  Hmm.  Quinny  Too. I like that. I really like the feeling that it was showing me things. But I wasn’t. Being spoon fed them exactly and there are certain things that they showed and implied, but never actually said. So you have to make the assumption that that character did that. They may not have, but did fairly heavily implied. I live with that. I love being asked as an audience to put a little bit of thought in.  Speaker 6  Yeah. MHM.  Dion  Crazy concept. Look, Speaking of James, I actually have a James Heavy trailer for this. Just goes on about that. We’ll do that and then come back and try not to spoil, but still talk about.  Speaker 7  Oh, OK.  Dion  It a bit more depth, OK.  Speaker  I’m calling about the $50,000 reward. For information about the missing kids. Because I know. Where they are. Filter. Help me. Help me. Come on. Please help me.  Dion  Oh yes, we. Yeah, that was James. He was the the junkie, and he had tent and a very bad experience in a tent.  Jill  Sure. Just sure, we’ve all had a bad experience in the tent.  Quinny  Yeah, yeah. Mine was really intense.  Dion  Ohh George yes, and thankfully for people who haven’t seen it. And you’re like, no.  Speaker  ah  Jill  You up for that one?  Dion  Thank you. I’m like, yeah, yeah, but. It’s a really it’s. It’s so good how it makes you go. ****. I don’t wanna know about that, but it gives you an understanding back when you like, I feel like. Having watched it and then you look at all of the tents and and spooky scenes that were through earlier in the movie, you’re like, ohh, that’s not that spooky when you really think about it. It was our own imagination making it spookier than we thought. But again, of course no like.  Speaker 7  No, sure.  Quinny  Like it’s scary.  Dion  Yeah.  Quinny  It’s it’s interesting, I think I said to you guys afterwards, I I thought we were going perhaps to go in a different direction with it. So there’s a there’s a Stephen King short story that I love super short, like, only like 5 or 6 pages or something like that called suffer the little children. It’s in one of his short story collections and it’s about a teacher. Who starts seeing out of the corner of their eyes their their primary school kids? As like little demons like you know that they’re they’re wrong. They’re twisted. There’s something ****** ** about them, but only out of the corner of their eyes. So when they turn and look at them.  Jill  Ohh, I see kids like that all the time.  Quinny  Yeah. So that’s just being a teacher. But then, yeah, one day teacher goes and 1 by 1 calls all the kids at her office. Cool. Yeah. And I thought maybe we were going to go into that direction and I was like, because that’s one. Of my favorite stories, but it’s still ****** **.  Dion  Yeah, the welcome to. The thing about the unreliable like characters that we’re we’re following here and like I think yes, Karina, I’m not. I don’t want to talk about the spoiler of the twists, that of why is it like, why is this all happening? Mainly because I don’t think it’s it. It doesn’t do anything to give you. A reason to go see the movie.  Speaker 6  Hmm.  Dion  I’d rather talk around it and let people go and see it and say, hey, did you like that? Cause it’s ****** **, isn’t it? Like I don’t really.  Jill  Yeah, like, don’t be like my mother who told me that. Bruce Willis was dead the whole time, so that I don’t even bother to watch 6th sense. Yeah. And to this day have not watched it.  Dion  You know, Jill, I gotta say I’m. I’m. I’m with you on that because it was spoil. It was spoiled for me in the break room at at a work thing. And I was like, ohh. And they’re like, oh, you haven’t seen I’m like, no, because it came out yesterday.  Jill  What’s the point? There. Yeah. Thanks.  Speaker 6  Thanks.  Quinny  Yeah, yeah, I remember.  Dion  So I’ve never actually watched it.  Quinny  Trying to watch like Battlestar Galactica, the the 2000 series, and then somebody said to me, oh, I can’t believe that such and such and such and such and such for the final styles. And I was like. What the ****? And they’re like, ohh. It’s a joke. And I’m like you weren’t ******* joking.  Dion  Thanks.  Quinny  That’s cool. Well, I got to interview them this ******* weekend. So great.  Dion  Well, look, the the I think the the the non spoilery things I can say about it is that I was disappointed with. Was that the whole mystery is all about the kids. All right.  Speaker 6  Dion  And then you really don’t get a good resolution with the kids.  Jill  Yeah.  Dion  And it’s just a little bit you, you, I understand why they did the things that they did, but there isn’t. There isn’t a great resolution really.  Jill  Yeah, I feel like you don’t always have to have that in a film.  Speaker 7  No, and there is something.  Jill  It’s like we said, like it was. It was really. The journey of the movie that was the reward.  Dion  I got to say by the end of it, like the the kid who plays Alex, Carrie Christopher, he like I didn’t give a **** about.  Jill  Gorgeous little kid.  Dion  I yeah, I I was really disappointed with that kid right up until towards the end. And then I’m like ohh, that that kid did a really ******* good. Like having to do with a lot of adult themes and adult concepts by the end. And you’re like, holy ****, that kid is either gonna be a freaking St. or the devil.  Quinny  And I do like that whilst it’s avoiding tropes all over the place, you know, and it’s doing everything it can to try and not be the obvious or whatever you do still end up in a haunted house in a way. And you know it, it’s becomes.  Speaker 6  Yeah.  Jill  Yeah, with your don’t go in the basement moment.  Quinny  I know you. You’ve got 100%, you’ll do not go in the basement moment. And I was like, yeah, cool. We’re we’re. You know, we’re hitting on those things because I do think there is something like really archetypal about certain ideas and horror concepts. And being chased around your own house. Is terrifying, and people that you know not being themselves is terrifying. Yeah, yeah.  Dion  You know, and now you’ll never look at a kid in a playground running like that with their arms out. Being a plane without going whoop.  Quinny  Have you ever Naruto run? Dion  Didn’t you? You asked that question.  Jill  God, I I. Have dignity.  Quinny  I asked it off microphone.  Jill  I have dignity I.  Quinny  Thank you.  Jill  Run.  Quinny  I have seen so many people Naruto run around conventions.  Jill  I bet you.  Quinny  Have you know I’ve seen so many *******.  Jill  Yes. Yeah, they don’t do it ironically either.  Quinny  You. This. No. And I just wonder, I I I look at this and I was like, was that intentional? Did they know that they were doing that? Oh, isn’t it? No, no.  Jill  This is not a Naruto. Arm is like the arms have to be out back behind you, yeah.  Dion  Out. Yeah, they’re gonna be.  Quinny  Ohh. OK, right. Sorry, right, right. Just like.  Jill  This was like.  Dion  Yeah, this is just.  Jill  Just to the side.  Dion  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sort of straight down kind of thing, but I mean don’t take anything you see on anime and try and replicate it and realise you’ll just hurt yourself.  Quinny  Yeah. Or someone.  Dion  Else. Yeah, yeah, yeah, all parties.  Quinny  Teapots. Right. OK, yeah.  Dion  Fair enough. Kind of planking. If only they were yelling, skippity rears when they ran around.  Quinny  Yeah, like there are. There are so many really good, very quick jump scares. Like, you know, there are there’s moments in a bed, there’s moments, you know, all over the place where you just like, really good. Momentary jump skis, but it also does that very clever thing of going we’re building up to a a jump scare and then we’re going to give you something that isn’t the jump scare. But. That can be really obvious. Like we all know that if you’re gonna build up to a jump scare, you’re not gonna give us the jump scare. You’re gonna add in a a thing. This one I was like actually that were pretty good. Like they weren’t fake outs or anything. These felt like something that still maintained the tension.  Speaker  See.  Dion  See, I really wish we’d had been able to arrange it earlier for you to have seen, barbarian. I get before this.  Speaker 6  One going on about barbaric.  Jill  We keep talking about it. We keep talking about it, but only.  Dion  Like.  Jill  For a very good.  Speaker 7  Reason. OK so so.  Dion  I warn you, I. Don’t you, Connie? It’s not a fun watch. I’m not recommending this to you because I think you’re gonna have a good time. I’m recommending it for you because all of the tense and scary things that you kind of felt from weapons, you’re going to get in barbarian again.  Quinny  OK so. Can you give me a like give me a vague synopsis of what barbarian is about.  Dion  It’s about the dangers of Airbnb.  Jill  Yeah.  Quinny  Oh, right.  Dion  Sounds boring, huh? Definitely not.  Jill  Yeah, but Justin Long is in it, but. And he’s the red herring.  Speaker 6  Eh.  Quinny  Right, so This is why you were all very excited when. He showed up in this.  Jill  Yeah. We’re Justin long shows up in a horror movie. Yeah, right.  Dion  As the thing like. It’s it’s done it it, it does a little bit of vignette things where it sort of takes the the two things it’s like it’s following Justin Long and it’s following another character. And they’re both standing at the same Airbnb and then it’s following one.  Jill  Yeah, there’s like, a really good fake out in the beginning because you’re like, ohh, this is very much going to be this thing and then it’s not. And then you’re like, but wait, what the **** is actually happening?  Dion  Yeah. Yeah, it’s like. Yeah. And by the time you find out what the **** is actually happening, you’re like. What the **** is happening?  Jill  Yeah. And you’re like, why and why and why?  Dion  No, no. And then it.  Speaker  Speaker 6  Yeah.  Dion  Just turns out it was just really, really ******* creepy.  Speaker  Yeah.  Dion  Yeah. Anyway, but it is more. It is more your traditional horror.  Speaker 6  Yeah.  Dion  You know.  Quinny  Right cause I I looked at that and I thought it sounded a bit more like the torture pointy kind of things like.  Speaker 6  This.  Jill  Body horror elements in it, that’s for sure.  Dion  There’s a little bit of torture **** because I’ve gotta also say there was just that thing of like, I don’t want to be in that situation and it’s a bit too graphic for me. Yeah, but you don’t like, you know, it’s. It’s just a good. It was the start of the way of building tension and and confusing you by going. We’re going to present you with a thing that says you’re going down this road, but it’s just going to kind of keep going. And then it’s actually like, wait. I was on on a road at all. I was actually on a lake. How did I get in this lake? And I’m not in a boat. What is going on?  Quinny  Sorry, I just I wanted to look up torture **** films cause I’m trying to think of it and particular one.  Jill  What kind of results did you?  Quinny  Just get well. Yeah, it was not a. Good time hostel. That was the one that I was trying. To. Find the name of hostel and hostel too.  Speaker 6  Yeah.  Quinny  But I love it.  Jill  Ohh, not not hostile you’re saying hostel?  Quinny  Hostile. Sorry. Yeah. Like that was one of those ones where it’s just like, you know, bad things happen to people. Human centipede, that kind of thing, bad things happened to people. It’s about the the torture.  Speaker  Oh.  Jill  Yeah, yeah.  Quinny  Salo. 120 days of sort. Sort of I was. I’m looking down this list, and I’m like, oh, yeah, I remember that when I run into that one. Yeah. Yeah. OK. And then I get. Justin Bieber never say never like. Well done to whoever ******* wrote that.  Jill  Well done.  Quinny  List because that was. Comic timing, like you wouldn’t believe.  Speaker  Ohh dear look.  Dion  There’s, you know, like, weapons isn’t a perfect film. There are some beats, I think didn’t quite. Planned and some decisions, as you said like it it goes a bit strange in the end. You’re like you’re going to go with it or you’re just going to be like oh.  Speaker 6  Hmm.  Dion  That’s sure that’s. Stupid. It’s like, no, I was. Yeah. No, I was 100% there for it too.  Quinny  I I yeah, I actually thought and I said to a couple of people, I thought it let off the the accelerator a little bit when they introduced the.  Dion  The reason?  Quinny  The reason? Yeah, like the to me when we started to get a few answers as to what was causing this, I felt like the tension ratcheted down a little bit.  Dion  Yep. I feel like they’ve they’ve followed that through with the comedy though, but they did ramp back the they did get back to the tension as they try to resolve everything as you get to the resolution.  Speaker 6  Hmm.  Dion  You’re wrapping. You’re ramping that sort of thing up again. Yeah. I thought they did it quite well. And, you know, the the end of it was. Fun.  Jill  I think it’s just like we’re going to blow off all. Of the steam that. Yeah, you know. Yeah. Of this movie? Yeah. And we’re going to do it in a comedic way, just to kind of like, yeah, that all out, you know.  Dion  Yeah. I mean, I feel like by the end of it, the audience was all kind of like, oh, ****, that was weird and ****, and I don’t know, but it was much more. Or interesting to to see that whole audience who had who had. Spent. You know good hour and a half tense as ****, absolutely sitting there going. What the **** is happening? I don’t want to be in this audience or thankfully, we’re all experiencing this together to then have a bit of a OK, well, OK, ****. OK. What was that all about? And I love confusing a confused audience. Not a confused.  Speaker 6  Hmm.  Dion  Audience like why was Ice cube in an ad for Amazon for 80 minutes? But more like that. Was that good like I had that the thing when at the end of it I was like, is that was that a good movie?  Speaker 6  Yeah.  Quinny  And I think people will take away from it what they what they will, you know, they’ll they’ll either enjoy bits of it or they want or they’ll find that some of it worked for them and some. Of it didn’t. Yeah, but. It’s done very well. That’s something that I do, you know, I’m happy to report that it’s. Done a lot better than most of the other films were released this weekend.  Jill  Quinny  Like based on its budget and everything, it’s kicked the **** out of a couple of much bigger films.  Jill  Good for.  Quinny  Them. Yeah, one of them being freakier Friday.  Dion  Look, I’m. I’m.  Jill  The Disney cash grab.  Dion  I’m happy that Zach Cregger, you know, survived the bidding war for weapons.  Speaker 6  Yes.  Dion  And that Jordan Peele fired a couple of people over not getting it.  Jill  Ohh, Jordan Peele movie coming out soon. Him.  Dion  Oh yeah. Yeah. Yes, but he was. Yeah, he was trying like Jordan Peele was trying to get Zach Craig as, Umm, spec script for his production company and did not get it. And then fired two of his management people for not getting it. OK. And I’m like, OK, but the really interesting thing I think for the next project that has been announced for this director is the Resident Evil reboot. Oh ****. And he’s writing directing. It. Ohh so it was like OK. Interesting. Yeah. Hmm. I mean, you never like a franchise with an established fan base, and many temps is fraught with peril. Yeah, absolutely.  Speaker  Yes.  Jill  But it means we don’t have to see *******. Milla Jovovich wheeled out again.  Dion  You’d leave Miller alone. She’s the supreme being.  Quinny  I mean. I love that they even attempted another reboot a few years ago and just nobody paid any attention to.  Dion  It. Yeah, I love that even one of them was a 3D1, which was like, you know, your franchise is in trouble when you’ve gone through an era of 3D coming and going again. Like jaws, jaws through the return jaws, three Jaws 3D. Like what the ****?  Speaker 6  Hmm.  Dion  Anyway.  Quinny  Trying to remember what that ******* ohh yeah. Resident Evil. Welcome to Raccoon City, you know? Yeah, the one that nobody paid any attention to at. All. But it mean.  Dion  Yeah, you know, look had no Miller in.  Quinny  It.  Dion  It’s.  Quinny  Oh well, look, I’m. I’m keen to see what he does next. Absolutely. And if he can make Resident Evil work? Cause like to me, I think that’s that’s not actually it shouldn’t be that hard. Like resident evil’s.  Jill  Yeah, it’s really not. It’s such a straightforward premise.  Quinny  Yeah, if you do a good solid zombie film and you use the characters that are in the in the games, it’s not that hard. I would ******* love to see this guy have a go at Silent Hill.  Jill  Yeah, that could have been.  Quinny  Like.  Jill  Silent Hill would have been better than Resident Evil. For this guy.  Quinny  Yeah, I think he’s his. Disturbing.  Jill  Because this guy is like, so good at, like, suburban. Dystopia.  Quinny  Yeah.  Jill  So I think like silent. Hill would be perfect for.  Quinny  Him absolutely.  Dion  Is am I the only one who didn’t mind the Silent Hill film that came out with rider? Mitchell, like I thought it was alright.  Quinny  No, I quite liked it. If the.  Dion  Freaky and the and the Borg Queen as the evil witch woman.  Speaker 6  Yeah.  Quinny  That was another one where I was like, OK, it it started really well, did some really good creepy stuff and then ended poorly. But yeah, I quite like that.  Speaker  Sure.  Dion  I mean, I’ve I I’m I I think with in return in in the idea of Zach Gregor. I’m kind of like just let him cook. Don’t give him a franchise. Don’t let him don’t make him do other **** just like no let him do his stories he’s doing quite well at the moment.  Jill  Yeah.  Dion  Of just. That’s true. Going barbarian? Yeah, that’s a good one. Weapons pretty good. You know what’s the next one? And I don’t pitch quinnie. Go for him and say, like, can you make a the same horror film, but everything you shot during the? Hi.  Quinny  I would love to see somebody ever go. On. It I haven’t watched Midsummer so.  Dion  Really.  Quinny  Yeah.  Dion  It answers the question who would you like? Would you prefer a bear or a man?  Speaker 8  Yes.  Dion  In the wheel.  Quinny  I don’t know because I always looked at that and I thought it looked a little bit, Wicker Manish, but now I’m completely confused as. To what that may actually be that.  Dion  Yes, but it’s a woman, so it’s a Wicker woman.  Quinny  Ohh.  Dion  Sorry, there are no. Ease.  Quinny  Good, because they weren’t me in the ******* original.  Dion  Film No, but there was in the Nick Cage one.  Quinny  Don’t don’t say it.  Speaker 7  Not. Why would you mention? ******* ohh. You broke my legs.  Dion  It’s very bad, it’s. Yeah, Speaking of Speaking of bad, what are we doing next week?  Quinny  Oh, oh, well, well.  Speaker  Oh.  Jill  Hopefully it’s not a bad show, yeah.  Dion  Two shows having a bit of. It

K-Pop Demon Hunters K-Pop Demon Hunters sounds like a joke title, but this action packed adventure/romance/musical/ martial arts action film… is really something different! The surprise animated hit of the year which has been not only smashing streaming video records (thats Netflix for ya), but also demolishing the music charts (Golden hitting no. 1 on Spotify!) is something nobody saw coming, but now that it’s here we may never be the same! Its a heady mix of Korean mythology, flying swords-person action, heartbreaking romance, radical self acceptance and all with a K-Pop soundtrack that lets be clear… absolutely slaps. We have a special guest for this show, with our beloved Ardella (Bec) chiming in to profess her undying love of this unexpected gem! Dion may have his demonic grump on, but Jill and Quinny both are singing from the hymn-book of hon-moon creation. Synopsis K-Pop Demon Hunters” tells the story of a K-pop girl group, Huntrix, who are also demon hunters, tasked with protecting the world from demons and their king, Gwi-Ma. They use their music to maintain a magical barrier called the Honmoon and work towards strengthening it into the Golden Honmoon, which would permanently banish demons. Their mission is complicated when a rival demon boy band, the Saja Boys, emerges, stealing their fans and weakening the Honmoon. https://youtu.be/gsMp_Oq-_mY As always, a musical magical thank-you to the K-popping demon hunting divas who join in with the conversation on the Twitch stream, live each Tuesday night at 7:30pm AEDT. And an especially huge thanks to any of the glow stick waving uber fans who are kind enough to support us by programming a tip in our jar via Ko-Fi, or subscribing on twitch… every bit helps us to keep the honmoon strong and if not golden, a bit bronzed… If you feel so inclined drop us a sub we really love them, The more subby mc-sub-faces we get, the more Emotes You get! https://youtu.be/3JTVQTk36R8?si=CPEwLl_mx84YG1Iw https://youtu.be/yebNIHKAC4A?si=ImoyGFkIO-pC3a99 https://youtu.be/983bBbJx0Mk?si=_B-EAl_rChUeZ8c0 WE WANT YOUR FEEDBACK! Send in voicemails or emails with your opinions on this show (or any others) to info@theperiodictableofawesome.com Please make sure to join our social networks too!  We're on: Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/user/TPToA/ Twitter: www.twitter.com/TPToA Facebook: www.facebook.com/PeriodicTableOfAwesome Instagram: www.instagram.com/theperiodictableofawesome/ Full text transcript Dion  Ohh hello and welcome to the periodic Table of awesome. Well, we’re getting on to this Tuesday night, going down the good old road of something Netflix. Are you related? Hello. Yes.  Quinny  Hello, we’re going down. And we’re going down, down, down.  Speaker 3  I know.  Quinny  What, John, why aren’t?  Dion  You singing. I don’t understand the concept. What the **** is happening? This is not a regular. Hi. My name is Dion. I’m joined tonight by Queenie and I’m joined by Jill. And I’m joined by Beck. Pop. Hello, pop. It’s been a while. Thanks for joining us. This one.  Quinny  Hey, welcome back.  Dion  Because yeah, for your viewing pleasure, you’re helping us talk about K pop.  Ardella  I am. I am this cultural phenomenon has been on repeat in my household for the last month, so I’m thrilled to talk about it.  Speaker  Hi.  Jill  Oh.  Dion  Oh.  Ardella  On the Internet.  Dion  A month.  Quinny  Yeah, yeah.  Ardella  OK, we are late to this party.  Dion  I am but I I’m 100% late to this party only because. Yeah, sorry.  Quinny  All right.  Dion  Good to you.  Quinny  No, no, no. I like I said, I actually talked about it. I don’t know the weekend it came out or the like. I watched it because I had nothing else on. I was sitting on the couch and I was like, that looks entertaining. I’ll just put that on in the background. And was then kind of like this is ******* cool. And then when in the next episode, I’m like Jill, Jill, Jill, you gotta you gotta check it out. You gotta check it. And she’s like.  Jill  Like, leave me alone. Otherwise I won’t watch.  Speaker 4  Yeah, yeah. And then the.  Quinny  It was like Jill, Jill, Penny, Penny, Penny, Penny, Penny, and she’s like, leave me alone.  Jill  Next, let’s do yeah. Sorry, it’s it’s the Aries. You can’t tell me what to do.  Quinny  Yeah, the license.  Ardella  Can I just say though, despite being one of the longest bloody trailers in the world, I. I’m so impressed by how little it manages to give away, and I wonder if we can manage to give away a similar level of not spoilers.  Jill  Yeah.  Quinny  Yeah, we can. We can. I mean we can. We also do a. Spoilery bit after we’ve done the thing, but.  Ardella  I remember how this works.  Quinny  OK, OK.  Ardella  I also remember that we often suck it, not giving too many spoilers in the free spoiler bit.  Quinny  This is a good point. Well made.  Jill  OK, we’re going to be as vague as.  Quinny  Possible. Yeah. So how did your come to it? Did you just find it on Netflix? Did did somebody recommend?  Jill  It to you. I know. Yeah. Somebody annoyed. Me to watch it, yeah.  Dion  No, Quinn. He made me watch it.  Ardella  Yes. Yeah. Did he tape your eyelids open and struck you to the chair? Yeah.  Dion  Yeah, it’s 100% Clockwork Orange, me. For this but but I’ve got this.  Speaker 1  Yep.  Quinny  And I’m not sad. I’m not. I’m not. Embarrassed about that?  Dion  I’ve got this weird. Sort of tick now that I have to keep kind of doing this and I feel like I need to do choreographed dances every now and again. So I don’t know what’s happening. I don’t know anything about.  Jill  Can teach you.  Quinny  See, I don’t think we were fully aware that Beck was as into this as not as until like you you posted a video to us. You’re like look at.  Dion  Excellent.  Speaker 4  This did you dance?  Dion  Like ohh OK, you know, we’re gonna talk about stuff that, like quite blatantly. I have absolutely no ******* idea what’s going on.  Jill  I mean.  Dion  We might as well open the floor up to people who do know what the **** is.  Ardella  Going on, but have you watched it dear?  Dion  Yes, I watched it from the start to the last song.  Ardella  Great. How? How the **** do you still? Have no idea what is going on then.  Dion  Have you seen the film?  Ardella  It’s a very cromulent storyline.  Speaker 2  No wonder.  Dion  Here’s what’s going on. They’re just doing things on screen and singing songs and going. This is good. Yeah. And you’re watching it.  Jill  Yeah, pop music is a part of Concepto dialog. OK, yeah.  Dion  Sure.  Ardella  Dion should never go and see a.  Jill  Thank you.  Speaker 13  Musical is what?  Ardella  We’re hearing this is an even musical.  Quinny  No, no.  Speaker 13  Devil story.  Dion  No, this isn’t far off though.  Speaker 13  Season.  Dion  This is it. Musical level storytelling and I watched it. And I’m not saying like things are bad or weird or out of my comfort zone. It’s just it’s not really for me.  Speaker 3  Dion  And that’s OK, you know.  Ardella  You’re allowed to be wrong.  Jill  He often is.  Quinny  Also I I will point out that that Dean had had a very, very long bad day by the time that this came onto his screen and I kind of get the feeling that it was like.  Speaker 4  Oh.  Quinny  Is that a reasonably accurate description deal?  Dion  Look, you know I’m not. I’m able to separate church and state here. I can understand the value of something even though my personal opinions may have coloured it slightly. That being said, I still don’t really know what’s going on in Capot demon.  Jill  Would you? Would you like this is not.  Speaker 4  Let’s let’s have us.  Dion  I mean, sure, if you think I’ve got it, I wonder if I’ve got any music somewhere. Hang on a second.  Quinny  Yeah. Yeah. OK. K pop. Hang on. What voice am I doing?  Speaker 13  Nothing, right?  Quinny  Well, that’s it. Somebody else better do.  Dion  Ohh no.  Quinny  OK, K pop demon hunters tells the story of A K pop girl group called Hunt Tricks, who are also demon hunters tasked with protecting the world from demons from for their king Guimar. They use their music to maintain a magical barrier called the honeymoon, and work towards strengthening. Hit into the golden Hon moon. Which would permanently vanish.  Ardella  Day and age of Tik toking. And if you’re my age, Instagram, reeling a week after it’s appeared on TikTok. We’ve basically have a a huge collection of people who’ve basically seen half the movie through real. Or tick tocks and then go. OK, I may as well go and watch this movie now. So I think that a lot of people have had that experience when Quinny mentioned it. I then was like, let’s watch the trailer for this and was on board after watching the trailer and.  Speaker 1  Mm-hmm.  Ardella  My partner and I sat down and. Watched it over Friday night. We were amazed by the number of layers that this movie has that you do not get from the trailer, and I was on board just with what that surface level stuff was already.  Quinny  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that was the thing that surprised me. It was just the the like from a trailer, like or because I didn’t even see a trailer. I just saw it pop up on Netflix, as you know, the the, The little preview that starts playing. And I was like.  Ardella  Yeah, that’s the trailer.  Quinny  Well, but it I didn’t even watch the whole thing like it was just sort of there in the background and I was. I don’t know what that is. But **** it looks cool.  Dion  Did you just hit it like a fricking pokie machine button? As soon as it popped up, you were like chin, let’s do this.  Quinny  My good addition. Yeah, sorry, Jill. You’re gonna.  Jill  Say something. Yeah, I think at the time, quinny, when you said. Hey, Jill, have you watched K pop demon hunters yet? I think my best friend had also watched it and had, like. Posted a story about it and all I heard all over Instagram was the the main song from it Golden. It was on everything and not just like animated clips of the movie, but like just people’s reels. They’re using that song. And so I was like, oh, no.  Speaker 4  Hmm.  Jill  This is the hype zone. Jill doesn’t like being.  Speaker 4  5th.  Jill  In the hype zone. Jill wants to avoid ever watching stuff that gets into the hype zone. I still have not watched Everything Everywhere, all at once because it got too hyped, so this was heading in that direction and went. Queenie, when you said to me, have you watched it yet? I was like, I’ll get to it.  Ardella  Was interesting that you mentioned that Jill, because there are theme crossovers.  Jill  Yeah. So I don’t push me. But then I. Kept hearing the bloody music. I’m like ****, this is a catchy song and then I think it got to like the following weekend and I’m like, I’m not gonna talk to anybody about this, but I’m gonna watch.  Speaker  It.  Jill  And I was like, oh, that’s great.  Quinny  Because I’ve seen so many people who, like, have watched it, and then it’s just become their whole personality.  Jill  Ohh yeah, I mean that was on heavy rotation like the album it was. It became a hyper fixation for a.  Quinny  Yes.  Jill  Week.  Dion  Wait, so can I just get this one like coming into this just a little bit blind, you know, from this whole stuff. So you’re telling me that there are real people in the real world that saw the small part of this and it’s become a hyper fixed?  Speaker 4  Yeah.  Dion  Which is mirroring the fact that the fans of this band in the fake world have a hyper fixation problem.  Ardella  So interestingly, interestingly, the soda pop song by the Demon Boy Band for a very long time there took over the charts from the actual you know, K pop boy band of the moment BTS.  Quinny  You say?  Speaker 4  Oh yes.  Dion  The soju boys. I love the soju boys, they’re great.  Speaker 4  Ohh I love some soju.  Quinny  Beck, how do you feel about this? Pineapple surgery.  Speaker 1  What?  Dion  Soulja boys.  Jill  I like the lemon one, it’s.  Dion  Delicious.  Jill  Kind of funky, but it’s good.  Dion  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like the one with the six pack.  Ardella  But what’s what’s really interesting about the soundtrack to this as compared to a traditional musical, is in a traditional musical, you’ve always got that one song that everyone skips or tunes out goes to the bathroom during it’s usually the one that the token old man sings.  Jill  Ohh OK.  Speaker 13  But.  Ardella  If you think about it, is.  Quinny  It’s the talk singing 1. You give it to the guy who can barely sing.  Jill  Ohh yeah yeah. Jeff Goldblum. Number in wicked. Yeah, exactly.  Ardella  There are no low points in this soundtrack and.  Quinny  In new tiles.  Ardella  I think even. The one song that when I was watching the movie for the first time I was like, this is kind of my bathroom breaks on. When I went back and listened to the soundtrack.  Speaker 13  Through by.  Ardella  Wolf it was still a banger. I was still singing along. I was still fully on board. I was finding all the hidden messages in the lyrics. I don’t think there is a a dud on this soundtrack.  Quinny  Nope. And as of 2 days ago, Golden went to literal #1 on the Billboard chart like it’s ******* stupid.  Ardella  Something that’s really cool about the creatives behind this entire movie is that the movie has so many authentic South Korean cultural elements to it that it has become huge in South Korea as well. And many, many people there.  Speaker 3  Hmm.  Ardella  Absolutely love it, which is so wonderful because there have has been a lot of outcry in the past about South Korean culture being misrepresented. And this is a wonderful example of cultural appreciation rather than appropriation, and one of the reasons behind that is that they have actually included many South Korean genuine K pop stars and producers, writers, and the singing voice of. The main main individual from home tricks. She was a K pop star in training who went away to go to school and stopped Kpop training. And when she came back to try and be a K pop star they told her she was too old and couldn’t do it. Anymore. And so she became a writer and a producer. Of K pop music instead, and now is singing on this and has gone to the top of the charts so incredibly hard. And I think that that lends this incredible authenticity to it, but also is kind of like a stuff you to the industry at the same time, which is amazing.  Dion  Because it’s look, it’s a curious thing about the the making of it, because actually, yes, I did. I watched the whole thing and then I even watched the credits where they showed all the behind the scenes bits of the people in there. And I thought that was really interesting. And then reading more about it and trying to find out more about it. I was like, oh, that’s interesting that they have. A bunch of Korean American. Others. Doing the voice work, but then a bunch of South Korean singers doing the song work and I was just a little bit like oh, oh, OK like why, why the need for the split like?  Ardella  They’re two different skill sets. Yeah, yeah, yeah.  Quinny  You you don’t find that many actors who can sing that ******* well. Like who can sing to the level that is required of.  Ardella  Yeah. The vocal range in golden is outstanding. That is like 3 octaves of belting. That’s insanity.  Dion  I’m asking the question to not because I’m attacking the I’m not asking the question because I might. Why? They have to get more. You know, why is it a whole bunch of different sort of people in there?  Jill  Deon, Every Disney musical movie had a talking voice actress and a singing voice actress as well. It was.  Dion  I’m pretty sure John Oliver did all the singing for his parts as Zazu, right?  Ardella  Not all. Yeah, not all of them. I think the more recent ones like Moana, the.  Dion  Of course I know.  Jill  Yeah. The more, yeah, I mean, the classic ones, I mean the ones from the.  Ardella  Voice actor sings as well.  Jill  90s when we were kids.  Ardella  Yeah. Speaking of which.  Dion  Sure.  Jill  Yes, the travesty of casting Leah Salonga in this movie.  Ardella  Yeah. And then giving her 30 seconds of background vocals to do. Leah Salonga was the singing voice of Jasmine and Mulan, and is an incredible musical theatre.  Jill  Yeah, crazy.  Ardella  Actress and amazing singer and is in there as like the the main mentor character for the Huntress Girls. And has no real singing. It’s so background that I didn’t even notice when it happened.  Jill  It’s devastating, but.  Quinny  Yeah. Yeah. Like, like putting, I don’t know. One of the. Yeah. Mariah Carey is a background character.  Speaker 3  Yeah, yeah. Like what?  Ardella  Mariah would never let that happen.  Quinny  No, no, absolutely not. So what was it about it that that sort of caught your eye? Immediately because I know what put me on the back foot straight away and made me go. That’s different. But I’d love to. Know what you guys thought?  Dion  What? What? Yeah. So there’s two. There’s two parts in that which which caught your eye. And there was a bit that caught you on the back foot which.  Quinny  Was your question what? What caught your what? One you were talking about excited you, really. Grabbed you. What?  Dion  Was that what put you? What put you on the front foot? Linked you into this show?  Quinny  The. What? Yeah, yeah.  Jill  The music I think, like I I enjoy the odd K pop. I’m. I’m not a die hard. I’m not a I don’t have a bias. I’m not like fully into the K pop culture. But I do enjoy the music peripherally, and so I thought like the songs were so catchy. And then when I saw, like, some of the animated stuff, I’m like, ohh, that’s very reminiscent of the spider verse animation. And then I realized it was a Sony thing. And then I’m like, OK. Well, this is probably going to be good.  Ardella  Yeah. I think the thing that put me off was the time.  Speaker 4  Well.  Ardella  What the hell is that? Title K pop Demon Hunters makes me think that this is trash and it is trash, but the best kind of crack trash. It’s amazing.  Jill  Quinny  MHM.  Jill  OK, you know what? It’s 100% tapped into for me was the female power story, but based in music like. I was one of those kids that was like ohh yeah, I wanna be in a girl band like that was like one of my fantasy things when I was. A child, but. Also, like yeah, being a superhero too. And like Sailor Moon. Is so intrinsic for me. It really had those kind of vibes of like, you know, magical girls that can save the planet.  Quinny  Yeah. Yeah, that’s one of the first things I why I was like, ohh you would love it. Just for the magical girl factor. Like the the costume changes the.  Speaker 4  What’s this?  Quinny  The that that very Sailor Moon kind of vibe.  Ardella  What’s so interesting for me about? The introduction, just the opening sequence was that.  Speaker 2  Hmm.  Speaker  That.  Ardella  Funky kind of intro music. The the K pop music that it starts with reminds me a lot of earlier K pop when I was into it and some of my South Korean friends just roll their eyes at me because I think that my idea of K pop is like someone. These days, being like my favorite band is the Backstreet Boys. You know, it’s like ohh sweetie.  Jill  OK. Ardella  There we go. Yeah, you’re you’re the the shush now, grandma. Everything’s fine. Because my my favourites were like the Wonder Girls. And you know quite quite early K pop. I think, you know, compared to what’s in today, but.  Dion  You can.  Ardella  It’s just so funky and fun, and the fact that. It immediately started with the classic K pop mixing of Korean lyrics in with English lyrics, and then the flip to rap in there as well, and the rap being in both Korean and English, it really grabbed me in that I was like, OK, this is. Actually K pop it, it’s not just in the name, they are actually going with it and I found it really interesting learning afterwards that the K pop element was the last thing to be added into this storyline.  Dion  Yeah.  Ardella  Interesting. Yeah, that that was the last kind of piece of the puzzle when they were developing this movie was creating it as a K pop story.  Dion  Which is very strange because I think the thing that made me. Sort of get on board a bit with it. Like a bit more was the fact that it was self aware enough to understand some of? The. Insanity behind massive mass market fandom? Not that anyone is immune to it, like it’s all around when you go looking hard and you know the West. The West has borrowed from the that that world very heavily in the past. Our last Spice Girls etcetera, etcetera.  Quinny  Not that hard.  Dion  Was the ability for it to just to be self aware take a bit of fun, have a bit of fun with it, and then continue on go like, yeah, we acknowledge that there’s this there is there is some weird **** that happens in that world and we’re just going to lean into it and understand that it’s part of it. And then move. For with the rest of it, you know, apart from the animation is great and the characters were somewhat likeable.  Quinny  There, there, there are two things that got me straight up. So initially looking at it, I thought oh, wow, this reminds me of what, KD A yeah, which, you know, is the the League of Legends K Pop group. And I was like, OK, we’re obviously kind of gonna. Yes. That’s the thing there.  Dion  Thank you. You’re not like you’re saying things like Katie and I’m like, wait, is it three letter acronym? Should I know? What the **** is going on here? Kill. Kill, death, aggression.  Quinny  K/BA.  Dion  Right, OK. So just just help me with. This it’s a foreign territory.  Quinny  They they are a a AK pop group that was done by the animation company that did League of Legends. So they’ve they’ve got a couple of songs that I actually have no idea how many songs they have about that. And I looked at that and I thought, OK, there’s a touch point. But the thing that and I have the same thing. Hip hop demon hunters. What a stupid ******* name. But watching it, I got to about 5 minutes in and the moment that they’re on the plane and. And they allowed their characters to be ugly and to do stupid faces. And they’re beautiful characters who are fully, you know, gorgeous and made-up, and everything are burping and, like, eating ramen and fighting like ******* demons. But at the same time, they are. Very, very comedic and and I was like oh. ****, this is really kind of like as as soon as I watch it. I was like, this is gonna play to a a female crowd so. Well because it’s not saying look at these perfect, you know, pristine things. These are people who just want to have snacks and lie on the couch and you know relax and be ******* normal. Humans, but at the same time, they want to be super powerful. You know, warlocks that are protecting the world from demons and **** like that. Like this is every little girl’s ******* dream combined and. I was like, holy ****.  Jill  Yeah, like women can be multifaceted. They’re not just put into one box.  Quinny  The power of that.  Jill  As one thing.  Ardella  They can, but there’s absolutely no way an actual K pop band would be allowed to pig out on.  Speaker 4  Junk. Yeah, that’s the thing. It’s.  Ardella  That’s not happening in the real life world, I’m sorry to say. That is. I mean, when we think about.  Dion  But but but. The dropping in out of a plane? Sure.  Speaker 4  Just.  Ardella  Kind of disbelief there. Day on. Yeah, carries through. It carries through. But I do think that it’s interesting having that acknowledgement of. I mean it, it’s it’s an an issue, an underlying issue. I think the treatment of pop stars and this isn’t just a problem in South Korea with K pop or in Japan with J Pop, although it’s a very similar kind of culture from my understanding, yeah, in the their K pop J pop. Machines that churn out these bands that are designed and kind of almost bread to create hype and money and. All of this, we see it in like Dan was saying in. The Spice Girls.  Quinny  Yep.  Ardella  As well, we see it in these manufactured bands that have been created to take our love and to take our money, OK.  Quinny  The eagles.  Jill  There’s literally another program on Netflix right now called building the band.  Ardella  Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And I think it’s really interesting then to look at our K pop demon band. And see that they are. They’re they’re saying the quiet part out loud with with the demon boy band here. But the reality is that that is what all K pop bands are. They are there to take the love to take the energy and to take the money of their fans. And they’ve been created. Expressly to do that. And so I I just find that really interesting to have. That kind of duality on display where we’re saying no hunt tricks are the the good guys when the reality is that. All K pop bands are there to do exactly what the Demon Boy band are doing.  Dion  Yes.  Quinny  And that duality is also encompassed in the lead character as well that, yeah, there are so many elements of things that she is not comfortable with. There’s elements of her public perception that she’s not comfortable with and. You kind of like the stories of the three characters. You know that that one of them is the bad girl who doesn’t get on with her family. The other ones come from, you know, America and is is a a rapper, but she’s also really sweet. All of these things are. Prepackaged they’re made to make them assailable, you know, definable feature.  Ardella  A personality.  Quinny  Yeah, yeah, that people can latch on to, but then you’re also watching and going. Yeah, they’re really funny. And they’re really cool. And I like them. And, you know, they’re they’re little horn dogs. And they, they, they just turn into popcorn and.  Dion  Thank, thankfully. Yeah, I mean, thankfully, you know, they they expressed all those lessons and of course that was the end of it. And this is all we have when. There’s one. Oh, no. That’s why there’s going to be sequels and a TV show and a live stage show. And it’s like, oh, oh, no, the demons won. Ohh no.  Jill  That’s one thing that I I would like to talk about a bit more is like the actual structure of the story. I know we’re not gonna give anything away, but I was interested that it was a movie. TV and not a TV series because I felt like there could have been a lot more character development actually happened throughout a TV series. I wanted more about the back story of the girl’s mentor. I wanted a little bit more time with the Saga boys in the demon. From in general, yeah, just a little bit more fleshing out of story I thought would be great.  Ardella  Apparently it was originally 3 hours long and I. Saw. Someone, I think it might have been tally in the in the chat mentioned that earlier.  Jill  I’d watch 3 hours of this.  Quinny  Yeah, I’m there for, I mean.  Speaker 3  Actually really.  Ardella  Joined a 90 minute movie though.  Speaker 4  We have so many long.  Speaker 3  Yeah, yeah.  Ardella  *** films coming out these days and the pacing in this felt great. I would much rather be left wanting more than be left sitting on my couch, scrolling Instagram halfway through because I’m like, this is a this is a.  Speaker  I wanted.  Jill  Sure.  Ardella  Dull bed.  Quinny  Yeah, yeah, this is the song that I’m not into. And that’s the reprise of the song. I’m not. Into.  Speaker 13  It’s the old man song again.  Speaker  Ohh.  Quinny  It’s something I did like though is is while I was watching it. I you know the first number I was like ohh yeah, this is pretty cool. And then within the 1st 13 minutes, there were three, you know, musical numbers, completely different songs. Like I was watching, and I was like, oh ****, this is a secret musical. It’s not that secret, but it’s a proper musical and that, I mean, for me, for my, my taste, that was ******* great sick. Amazing and like to your point, Dion, I immediately then go totally see. This is a stage. And to your point, Beck. Ohh one of you. I’m not sure who was. Yes, I could see it working as a series because there’s a lot more to explore, and while Dion, I know that you’re like the capitalist pigs, they’re just trying to make money out of the kids sometimes. That’s OK. Because this is a ******* cool story.  Speaker 4  Yeah, I I mean.  Ardella  If you do like everyone wants our money, it is a we live in a society.  Speaker  Oh.  Jill  Here at the in the high points of the capitalism, my friend.  Ardella  Yeah, but I think that there is a a way that feel feels friendly and genuine to do that and this is hitting that nail for me. And there’s a way that feels inauthentic and.  Speaker  Hmm.  Ardella  Cash grabby and that’s not this at the moment. We’ll see how many spin offs they try and squeeze out of this and when it tips that line.  Speaker  Sure.  Ardella  But I think at the moment it still feels.  Dion  And in 15 years, when Netflix rolls back around and makes a live action version of the K pop Demon Hunters franchise, we will know hey. Yeah, now.  Ardella  Warm and flat.  Quinny  Ohh, so he said. They’re not doing it.  Dion  If you’re talking about.  Quinny  They they they got, they got absolutely ******* pilloried on the Internet when the initial run of things that they announced was live action. Make stage show and ongoing series. Everyone said do not ******* do this live action they.  Dion  Quinny. Went OK. Producers don’t care. It’s just that now there’s a lot of complaints. They’ll wait till they’re less complaints and then they’ll do it anyway for a tax break. That’s how the system works, quinny.  Speaker 4  That.  Quinny  So you’ve got another K pop.  Dion  People.  Speaker 6  Exactly.  Speaker 3  For me.  Speaker  You know like.  Dion  Stuff will happen that way, unfortunately and sometimes, fortunately, anyway, philosophically.  Ardella  Well, the sequel has already been greenlit by Netflix, which is unsurprising given that this is apparently in the couple of months that it’s been out a month and 1/2 that it’s been out. It has already topped all other animated movies on Netflix for the most watched.  Dion  Yeah. And we’re a good time behind as we have already. Explain like in in terms of the pickup of this is that came out in June, you know and it’s now **** me, August.  Quinny  Yes.  Speaker  Yeah.  Quinny  That’s the official date.  Dion  Yeah, yeah. Every time I look at the calendar these days.  Ardella  It is now **** me.  Dion  I’m like ****. Anyway.  Quinny  I’m Jill. I want to know on your your new rating system, how many? How many tips have you got less after this?  Speaker 4  ****. No. I think that’s a good.  Jill  2 tips off.  Dion  Ohh no **** left.  Speaker 4  Yeah, yeah, I it it. Yeah, it. Put my ****.  Jill  Off I enjoyed it a lot more than I.  Dion  Jill is Jill is untited.  Jill  Was expecting to because like. I know Queenie loves animation and so his glowing review was like Oh well, it’s gotta be good. And then also my friend who loves K pop and and animation as well and even her husband who enjoys animation like both raved about it. So I’m like, OK well. This has got to be good. That kind of got me in to watch it, but it’s so strange that like. I then convinced my other friend group to watch it and they were all like, oh, this is very kiddy and every everybody else thought it was. It was quite junior, but I didn’t really. Get that read.  Quinny  No.  Jill  They were like ohh it seems like a bit of a teen bop kind of thing and I’m like, well, I am 15 years old. Guys like, that’s why I like it.  Speaker 4  I think this.  Ardella  Is very Shrek adjacent in the figure. Pitch the kid. TV like category if you want to put.  Jill  Yeah, but there’s.  Ardella  It there, but it’s so grown up.  Jill  This was the stuff for the horn bag older women like.  Speaker 4  Is that what you say, Shrek? Yes.  Quinny  She’s not.  Dion  Shrek can get it.  Speaker  I mean.  Dion  Shrek can’t get. I mean, sorry. Before we go into the ratings, which we should do soon to try.  Speaker 4  Yeah.  Quinny  No, no. We need to talk about so.  Dion  And keep in time.  Quinny  Many more things.  Dion  Yeah, there are many things to talk about. The the Quinny, you did raise a point to me the other day talking about K pop demon hunters, which is going. Yes, it’s an interesting comparison, like an interesting comparison film to perfect blue, which we talked about recently too and.  Speaker 2  Yeah.  Dion  I was like. You may have a point.  Jill  Maybe not a companion piece.  Dion  There.  Quinny  I don’t know. I think I think they’re a fantastic companion faced 11 after the other and just.  Dion  Thematically. Thematically, it’s it’s somewhat similar in in in certain ways, not not the same way, like let’s they’re too.  Jill  Ones are very dark and twisted version.  Dion  Exactly, but they both.  Quinny  Yeah, what’s when’s the demons we met. Along the way.  Dion  But they both talk about fandoms. They both talk about the some of the crushing nature of conformity and having to represent yourself as something you may not be, and the damage that that could do. And. And let’s be honest, yeah, it diverges. Very, very different. But there are interesting themes and it’s really interesting to me to think about that. That film made back in the 90s was like working out these problems then and how far we’ve come and how we relate to it. Now, how creatives are relating to that now in this space with, you know, capable demon hunters is like, yeah, look at all these. Things that are still pretty much a problem, but we’re going to acknowledge that they have been a problem and that, you know, these are the things and but we still keep going because we have good messages that we want to try to put out. And if we could all make some money, that’s. Great. But if we have competition, we will crush. It that’s one take away I got from from like K Pop bands is they crush each other.  Speaker 1  Also.  Dion  As they can.  Jill  In the charts in the.  Dion  Yeah, it’s in the chat, but literally.  Quinny  Charts that I think you know differentiate some really very differently is that in perfect blue fandom is seen as being toxic and dangerous and bad. In this one fandom is is the beautiful glowing. Power of house that will save the world and die on your face. Is telling me that you ain’t buying any of this.  Dion  I think that’s a stretch.  Ardella  Ship, haven’t we all been in a a stadium watching a band that you love and just all singing along at once and just felt that that vibe? I mean, it’s what gets people into cult. So you know that it can be used for good or for ill.  Quinny  I was we we we both watched 11,000 with 11,000 other people. People rolled dice.  Speaker 14  Yeah.  Speaker 1  Yeah.  Dion  I mean I.  Speaker 3  Yeah, it’s.  Dion  Went I went to the Jared Leto 1 and that was fine. I’m normal.  Ardella  It’s a powerful thing, is what I’m getting at, yeah.  Quinny  Yeah.  Dion  I get.  Speaker  Quinny  You and in the chat a couple of people mentioned that there’s a comparison with the Puss in Boots, the last Wish, same automotive.  Ardella  I thought his favorite movie of all time.  Dion  I still haven’t. I still haven’t watched it. Even though you keep telling me I. I know. I know get that ***** kids. You know, like there’s only so many.  Quinny  Fine.  Ardella  Come here. We will. Clockwork Orange you again.  Dion  Alright, time to go to my friend’s house and be forced. Watched it or something.  Quinny  Yeah.  Ardella  That’s how I feel about the drunk DC. Watches that we’ve.  Dion  Oh yeah, we still gonna. Do that one.  Quinny  Hmm.  Dion  I still haven’t seen Aquaman 2. Can we bookend it? Which? One should go first, is it?  Speaker 2  Oh.  Speaker 13  I didn’t even know.  Ardella  There was an Aquaman. Ohh yeah.  Speaker 4  Yes, ******* all.  Dion  Yeah. Anyway, OK, think of your think of your ratings. Yes, rate, rate and rate and spoil.  Speaker 4  Should we right and then spoil? Yeah, yes, yes, yes.  Quinny  And if you have seen it in the chat, drop me some numbers so that I can put them into the thing I love. I love keeping an eye out for them.  Dion  Look, OK, I’ll look. I’ll start. Cause Get Me Out of the way. Why? Not. RIP the Band-Aid. Off, yeah, I look, I had a fun time because it was quite poppy and exciting and the animation is actually quite flawless. I like the characters all had a bit of humanity in them. They weren’t that way. U. Kind of. Everyone kind of worked. There’s definitely a saleable marketable thing going because that blue cat is why is that not a plushy already?  Speaker 4  Oh yes.  Quinny  Going to tell you about the blue cat.  Ardella  Derpy is his name.  Dion  Derpy is great. Yeah. OK, all the like. It’s good. I can see the the bit of the franchise there. And I can also see.  Speaker  He loves derpy.  Dion  Me having to scream when I hear the song again after the yeah, yeah. Yeah. 100% not for me, but I will give it 75. Because yeah, like, I think it’s good. Like if someone said, hey, you know, should I watch K pop diamonds? I’m like, yeah, like, you know, I recommend it to people with small kids. I don’t recommend all the way up to people who are 75. Yeah. I was the whole gamut. You can get something out of it. There is a good message in there.  Ardella  75 yeah.  Dion  And I think it’s quite a little hidden gem or. Unreleased jam, even if you don’t particularly like K Pop.  Quinny  Fair, Jill. Sorry.  Jill  Yeah. Look, I’m so excited to say that I have no tips after this film. It’s been a while. It’s been a while, but I am going to give it a 90.  Speaker  Off.  Quinny  We yellow.  Jill  Been a while since we’ve hit the nines for me, but I love that animation. There were just some moments where I was like. What am I watching like? This is just like the textures and everything were so ******* beautiful. There were moments where I’m like Christ, that looks almost realistic.  Speaker 1  Mm-hmm.  Jill  Loved how everybody had a personality. Everyone was like, different. Had their clerks had their faults, like had their beautiful moments. The only reason why it’s not getting more is because there were just some like small unresolved story things that I wish had been explored a little bit more, but. Other than that. We loved it.  Quinny  Heck, do you want to drop a number?  Ardella  Quinny  Nice.  Ardella  I’m a harsh marker, but what can I say? It’s interesting that you mentioned the animation, Jill, because one of the beautiful things that I’ve learned is that the hunt tricks characters our protagonists are animated in a very traditional way, which means that every second frame they move. Whereas our demon Boy band animated differently where they move every single frame and there are certain times at where it’s poignant in the movie where they swim.  Speaker  Which?  Ardella  Ohh and so there’s there’s lots of super cool things that happen behind the scenes that we don’t consciously recognise, but it’s doing stuff to our brains and I think it’s really, really cool. So yeah, I think the more that I learn about this movie and the work that’s gone in behind the scenes, the more I love it. And that’s why it’s really reaching those top numbers.  Quinny  Oh.  Dion  You gotta respect a bit of filmmaking.  Quinny  Yeah.  Dion  Bit of craft work in there.  Ardella  Exactly.  Quinny  And and that’s very much like the first spider verse. Yes, where like they were animating different characters on different frame rates and you know the the attention to detail. And one of the things that gets me about this is the. The absolute love for Korean culture, but also Korean mythology, and it’s also going to be very, very interesting down the track. Seeing people cosplay from it because already there have been people who have gone to do cosplays of the Soulja Boys and so forth and have had to. That that question of appropriation or appreciation. Is very difficult around certain parts of costumes because the hats are an actual part of a very specific part of Korean culture that you really can’t **** with. Yeah. So like the fact.  Ardella  Historical Korean culture, not even current really Korean culture as far as I’m aware as well.  Quinny  Yeah. Hmm. So yeah, whipping one up out of warbler is is kind of not. Not cool, not kosher. And that kind of.  Ardella  Derpy is my next cosplay. Yeah.  Quinny  Thing. And when we come back from the the and everything, I will talk about Derpy because that’s another piece of amazing Korean history and culture right there. My rating is 95. I ******* watched the **** out of it and love the **** out of it. The like the music aspect of it, I I’m not a big K pop fan or anything like that. I I don’t listen to a lot of that music, but I didn’t care because it was super catchy. The vocals were insane. I love that mix of of like the three different voices and the three different styles. Of the girls like that, you know, one will drop into really American style rap, but they’re all capable of rapping. They’ll all take, you know, high parts, low parts. But at the same time, then mix it with a bunch of really cool choreography and and martial arts. Mix in some extra mythology, add some cute characters. I love the fact that you know secondary characters are given a bit of love to like. The band’s manager is. Not a ********. You know how ******* lovely is it that that you know, you’re not just going? Yeah. The traditional ******** band manager? No, he ******* loves.  Dion  Them. Did you not learn anything from Jersey and the Pussycats? What the? ****.  Speaker  Yeah.  Quinny  Yeah, I I just, I mean, as I was watching, I just kept thinking, Oh my God, this is this is a thing for a generation of of girls to watch and. And relate to and want to be and emulate and I suddenly understood that whole thing that all the girls in primary school would go off and learn dances. And then to tie that whole thing that that you know, people want to do of of singing and dancing with, like, spiritual power and empowerment and protectiveness. I was just like, **** me. So yeah, I got a little love for it. I really don’t have much bad to say about it, which is, I mean, I don’t want to give it 100 because that would be ridiculous, but ****** really enjoyed.  Dion  It you can give it a.  Speaker 13  100 and that’s just the surface story.  Quinny  I know we haven’t even talked about what it all means.  Dion  Can’t wait for you to review the stage musical 350,000 out of.  Quinny  Review it, I’m going. To direct the. *******.  Dion  Which would you like to go? Would you like to meet the? Boys or yeah. With that one, we see who, who we. Talking about here, who are the Sargent boys? Sounds weird?  Speaker  Yeah.  Speaker 3  Look normal.  Speaker 5  Ohh yeah.  Speaker 6  Come on. Take your time. Yeah.  Speaker 14  Just like.  Speaker  Yeah.  Speaker 2  Ohh hot.  Speaker 3  You guys are so gross.  Speaker 6  No, yet you go hot. Then we’ll go. He.  Dion  Ohh that is just harsh. No helping hand there whatsoever. So the Sarja boys are a bit of * ****, really, aren’t they? They’re just *****. Hot *****.  Speaker  Yes.  Jill  Yeah, but they’re hot. They’re hot.  Speaker 4  Hot *****.  Dion  Yeah. Yeah, Jesus.  Jill  I’m going to tell you like we went to smash. What was it like 3 weeks ago? The artist Alley was chocolate block of K pop demon hunters. Art anything? Right with that tiger on, it was sold.  Quinny  Oh.  Dion  Right.  Jill  Out. Yeah, right. Good. There were. There’s a scene in the film where the both of the bands are Hunter Eggs and the Sergeant Boys are doing a meet and greet with fans.  Quinny  Oh my God. So.  Jill  And Abby, the gentleman with the. Tabs instead of signing a piece of paper with his name, he runs like pencil against a piece of paper on his ABS, and that’s his signature. There were drawings of that in the artist Alley for sale. The insanity.  Dion  I love Jesus. Yeah. I mean, OK question here. I don’t understand why I have questions now and spoil the logo is up and we’ll talk about spoil everythings if you like. Yeah, it’s been a month. It’s been out for quite a long time. I get derpy the thing.  Jill  Of this movie.  Speaker 14  Yes.  Dion  But what was with the strange Game of Thrones crossover with the Three Eyed Raven?  Speaker  Quinny  Do you want the?  Speaker 4  It’s not a Game of Thrones crossover deal on.  Dion  Everything’s a Game of Thrones crossover.  Ardella  It’s.  Quinny  Heck, do you wanna take it?  Ardella  Quinty no quinny you take this, you are so keen.  Quinny  No, I was so keen. But I I mean, I’m guessing we’ve probably watched the same explainer videos and stuff.  Speaker 13  No, I I read I don’t. Watch.  Quinny  Ohh God, within you actually.  Jill  Jesus, she’s an intellectual.  Speaker 13  Exactly. Where’s my glasses?  Quinny  Just need to take these things off and becomes derpy. The ******* yeah, well.  Dion  You’re on. You’re on.  Jill  Stick your tongue out.  Dion  New media now not only this traditional lofi media that you may try.  Speaker 2  Oh.  Quinny  Yeah. So OK, it’s not a Raven, it’s a magpie. And in Korean culture, the A, this is a it’s a historical joke. So the, the, the, the tiger and the magpie is the punchline of a historical joke. That tigers were traditionally shown as being the representative of the upper class and of rich culture, and specifically the governing class, and the magpie was the symbol of the lower class, the worker. Pass whatever and the hat which I’ve got to remember the name of. Thank you. If somebody wants to look it up for me, that’d be great. The hat is essentially a symbol of power. And so there’s a joke, or there’s a moment in there where the sorry.  Dion  It’s called a gap. It’s called a get, yeah.  Speaker 4  Yeah.  Jill  Yeah, ginu ginu.  Quinny  So.  Jill  Said he made it for the tiger.  Quinny  So yeah, that’s the joke is that it’s a symbol of power that was meant for the tiger, but the magpie keeps stealing it.  Speaker  Ah.  Quinny  And so it’s the it’s a symbol that the lower class will always get one up on the upper class because the upper class is ******* stupid and that’s why he’s derpy. And you’ll see in a lot of Korean art, tigers are always drawn slightly cross eyed or just a little bit dumb looking.  Jill  Quinny  And it’s because essentially, they’re just going upper class. The stupid look at the smart magpie with three eyes, you can see everything.  Dion  So this is exactly like parasite.  Ardella  Yeah, that’s what we’re saying.  Speaker 4  Yeah.  Dion  No, just that that character representation of the blue cat and the magpie is just parasite as a metaphor.  Quinny  Yeah.  Jill  Yeah. Yep, yeah.  Quinny  And and it makes that sequence where where Derpy comes out and knocks over the plant and then just can’t get it to stand up way too long. Like ohh you stupid.  Speaker  Yes. Thank you.  Dion  But it’s good to know, you know, like, I like those little trivia bits. It’s fun. It’s fun to.  Ardella  Learn. Feel like I I was so. Impressed that for the first time I think ever.  Speaker  Hmm.  Ardella  A Netflix trailer. Managed to intrigue and make me want to watch more and actually get me invested in the story without giving away the actual plot. Yeah, there is. There is a very surface level plot being shown out there and I think now that people are, you know, watching more of the clips on TikTok and Instagram and that sort of thing and watching even the golden video clip, they’ll, you might get spoiled.  Quinny  Hmm.  Ardella  Before watching the movie, if you’ve seen all of that, but for me my first tip popped off in the opening in.  Quinny  In the you’re missing how many sticks are you missing?  Ardella  Well, I have lost the second hit for me when the pattern reveal.  Speaker 7  Hmm.  Ardella  Happened in the.  Speaker  Ah.  Ardella  There was. It is very rare that any movie, a movie directed for adults with high levels of intelligence, they rarely get me with the whoa. What happened there was seeing that coming. This movie did that, I gasped. At that reveal, there were. There was nothing in me that thought that that was coming and that is so rare these days. I am so impressed that this movie called K Pop Demon. And so kind of surface level, you know, just fun on top, managed to have this flip. It had this beautiful level of depth to it. I just really loved that so much. I would have enjoyed, I think, a movie where it was just a, you know, magical girl. Banned fighting demons. I would have enjoyed that anyway, but this went a step further.  Speaker  Hmm.  Quinny  So in when we’re talking about the patterns and we’re talking about that, that reveal and that question about Rumi. What are the? Different like so I think that there are so many different layers of what it could mean. And I think one of the things that’s really smart about the film is that. It. Doesn’t specifically say it means any one thing. But what? What did you guys?  Ardella  Because they’re they’re waiting for the sequel or the spin offs or.  Jill  Yeah. So we’re gonna get the story that gives you the back story about, like who roomie’s father was and what happened to her mother and the the what were they called the Sunshine Sisters or whatever.  Quinny  Yeah.  Speaker  Yeah.  Jill  The.  Quinny  Yeah.  Jill  Band. Was and then we also need to have Gino come back because that was unfair how he went. Out. I know it was a beautiful sacrifice, but no, I want Ginyu back.  Ardella  He’s now in the blade, though. If you if you watch the sequence, you can see his spirit get pulled into the blade, which is an actual thing in Korean.  Quinny  Oh no.  Ardella  Mythology. Spirit blades. I believe. I believe I’m not Korean. Please correct me if I’m wrong.  Jill  OK, well I love. I love me as sexy anthropomorphize spirit coming out. Of the sword. So I’ll take. Yeah.  Speaker 3  And then the grade.  Ardella  Changes once his spirit is absorbed into it, so you can see the two different forms of the the blades are.  Jill  I need to ******* watch this movie again. Don’t.  Ardella  Very, very cool.  Speaker 13  I let’s go right now.  Quinny  Yeah, yeah.  Dion  Let’s see. We’re doing a watch along right now.  Speaker 4  It’s.  Jill  Now become a live stream.  Quinny  So damn, what was your you? You had some different takes on on what, some of that meaning may have? Been.  Dion  Which what do you mean the the meaning of which the whole?  Quinny  Thing of the past.  Dion  There’s a lot going on me was there? Did I say something that I’ve I’ve undoubtedly forgotten since yesterday?  Quinny  On. Yeah, well, quite possibly. So, I mean there there’s, there’s that whole thing of like being, you know, intergenerational trauma, like of this is the Korean trauma. Of what? Their history is the split of the country, North and South Korea, which you can read into that. You could also read into it an LGBT thing of this thing that you have to keep hidden about. Yourself. And whether or not she’s allowed to be, especially in K pop, the idea that is she allowed to be who she actually is. Because that is not appropriate like that whole thing of you wearing marks on your. That. You have to keep hidden. I think it has a lot of meaning for a lot of different people for probably a lot of different reasons.  Speaker 1  MHM.  Ardella  Yes, I would agree. I would hesitate to say that this is implying that Ruby is LGBTQIA plus at all, but I have 100% think that people who are LGBTQ a.  Quinny  No, not necessarily.  Ardella  Us could find a lot of parallels there.  Quinny  Yeah, I think that that’s sort of like that X-Men kind of thing. It’s like, yeah, no, we’re not saying that these characters are gay or whatever, but they are a fantastic.  Ardella  Except the ones that.  Quinny  Are. Yeah. So my my best X-Men guy.  Ardella  I think it’s really interesting. We’re seeing a lot of this storyline coming out in a lot of Asian and Asian American stories over the last decade especially, I’ve noticed a a real through line in a lot of the media that I’ve seen, at least. Where these cultures seem to be very much from an outsider perspective. Very much about conforming and not rocking the boat and being being part of a whole community that works well together because everyone kind of assimilates and and doesn’t step outside of the mold or make anyone uncomfortable. And I think yeah, exactly. I think that there is a lot of media coming out these days.  Jill  Yeah, homogeneous.  Ardella  And it’s interesting, Jill, that you mentioned Everything Everywhere all at once earlier, because that’s definitely part of the story behind that movie and and a real message in that movie is. Is that we need to allow the newer generations to be a little bit more unique and individual and celebrate that as something that is wonderful and and adds colour to our cultures and our societies, rather than being something that we should squash. Or avoid and to me, that’s what the patterns were and that’s what you know, was a a real underlying message behind this story is it’s not about conforming, it’s about celebrating what’s unique and individual about each of us.  Jill  Yeah.  Quinny  Yeah, I I did just check and and the reason I brought it up is because of the writer did say that the the intent was that it was a. Bit like coming. Out to your parents? Ohh, so she was. She was. It was a very deliberate piece to say hey, it’s like that. She’s not saying that Remy is, you know.  Dion  So coming out.  Ardella  I mean, could be you go off in your head cannons out there.  Dion  To your friends. Also coming coming out to your friends who have literally been trained to murder. You.  Speaker 13  Your your partner.  Quinny  Yeah.  Dion  For the whole thing.  Speaker 4  Yes.  Dion  Look, I like the little bit of the sort of Buffy the Vampire Slayer chosen. Ones. You know, how do we do this? We just kind of go and kill these faithless demons which there are thousands and thousands and thousands of them, apart from the very special one.  Quinny  Yeah, very.  Dion  That ohh wait. Yes. Yes. So you know I got that sort of storyline.  Ardella  Although I do think that there is a pot, I mean obviously we see Janus. Progression where he was genuinely villainous. He was * ****. Wow, what * **** we learned.  Dion  Sure. What is it again with? Absolutely ancient men and young women.  Jill  That’s like type.  Speaker 4  Being like can.  Ardella  You I I just want to be rich and wealthy at the expense of my family. What a ******* nightmare, human. But then.  Speaker  And.  Ardella  Obviously evolves and become someone who we can genuinely sympathise with, I think, but I feel like we also, especially in that scene, I think Jill, you mentioned the the signing scene, we see a lot of the other members of the Demon Boy Band of the Sargent Boys.  Speaker 4  Yeah, yeah.  Ardella  Have a little bit more personality and a little bit more empathy, I think, than I was expecting and I I would be interested to see that explored a bit more. As well, yeah.  Speaker 1  Hmm.  Quinny  One thing I do love is also the the historical mythological context of it too, that the the idea of the the Singing priestess is is quite a a long history in Korean culture. So the moon or mudang not mudang. Are a an offshoot of of Korean shamanism who their their whole thing was, you know, singing to keep their people safe and, you know, reach out and and bridge the world between gods and humans and so forth. And you see that at the at the very start, like there’s the flashback to the original ones. They’re they’re all traditional like priestess outfits. But then the fact that they’re, you know, really latching into the the Korean singing group thing. You know that there was another group in the 50s and the 60s called the the Kim Sisters. Who group of three well known all around the world, appeared on the Ed Sullivan Show. Did like 22 shows over the years on Ed Sullivan. Like that kind of thing. We’re going. Yes, we’re gonna do it. I love the idea that we could have, you know, stories told in different time frames.  Ardella  Yeah. And before the Kim’s sisters, there was the Jair Gory sisters. I think it’s pronounced and they were also a three piece girl band who we assume is kind of being referenced in that introduction as well.  Dion  Can can we just make sure that we even if we go across different time periods they still kill demo? That’s right. Yes, as long as there’s still some demon hunting and killing going on in there. I’m fine. I’m on board with it.  Ardella  Like.  Quinny  100%.  Speaker 4  Absolutely.  Ardella  100 percent, 100% yeah. I also need to mention I’m sure many of us already know this, but Saja as the name of the Saja boys also has multiple meanings. It means lion.  Dion  Yeah, yeah.  Ardella  But it is also a kind of slang term for the grim Reaper. So there’s that duality there. So that’s that’s why they have the lion like logo. That’s what they’re saying. That’s the that’s the loud part. They’re like, we’re the Lion Boys essentially, but.  Speaker 2  Oh.  Quinny  I didn’t know.  Dion  That, and also dark and mysterious.  Quinny  And.  Ardella  It’s also. Through. Yeah, slang for the grim Reaper in South Korea.  Quinny  And I don’t think I would have understood or appreciated this film if I hadn’t for the past couple of years had an awful lot to do with idol culture like, yeah, but I I’ve learned a lot in the past few years of working for idol festivals and, you know. The whole idol scene and. And. Something that I find fascinating and is really like key to the film, but it’s sort of unless you’ve seen the crowds doing their thing in person. The relationship between crowd and band. Is incredibly intense. Like and the crowds at these events are not. Just, you know, observers, they’re part of the show and they see their role really importantly, you know, all of the glow glowing sticks that they’re holding up all of the colours that they choose to wear, the fact that they, you know, stand a particular singer or whatever and will then change the.  Ardella  They’re bias.  Quinny  Yeah, yeah. You know, they will do all these things and like, you’ll see them during songs. Like I watch them at smash people climbing up on each other’s shoulders just so that they can. Performatively go. You know, I’m not actually singing at you. I’m just showing you how much I appreciate what you’re doing. Is like if you don’t know about it, you’re gonna think it’s ******* weird as ****, which I did for a while, but then when you see it, you go ohh. OK, I get it. And now I watch this film and you realize why so much time is spent with the fandom as well, like. They they spend a lot of time, you know, looking at the the kinds of fans who have latched on to these people. Is it the the sex starved older ladies? Is it the preteen girls who are just utterly, you know, smitten? Is it the big boofy guys who will cry at the drop of a hat? You know, all of that is.  Ardella  I think it’s interesting, though, to suggest that it’s just a AK pop thing or a J pop thing or something like that where you have these biases when you think about, you know, kiss people would wear their specific band members makeup style to go to a kiss concert. It’s it’s a similar.  Quinny  Oh, not at all.  Speaker 4  Yeah, it’s just all.  Jill  About finding community and the things that. You love, yeah.  Quinny  Yeah. Really. And. And it’s also like I remember I wanted to write a ******* paper on this at one point. It’s the the concept of avatar rism that you wear the thing that you want to take on the, the, the, the feeling of you know, so.  Jill  Dude, I’ve done it for 20 years doing cosplay.  Speaker 13  Exactly. Hello cosplay? Yeah.  Quinny  And cosplay is cosplay is like the the the doing it out loud and doing it at the biggest possible way. But for other people it’s that whole thing of wearing your favorite band T-shirt or wearing a Superman T-shirt or wearing, you know something. It’s that thing of.  Jill  Yeah.  Quinny  This gives me all these feelings. And I want to then wear it so that I can try and, you know.  Jill  Yeah. Now, name five of their. Songs.  Ardella  Jesus.  Speaker 4  Yeah.  Ardella  And when you bring that all together, it really is. Powerful and I.  Quinny  Hmm.  Ardella  Think that that’s what they’re they’re tapping into on both sides here where you know that it can be used for good or for evil.  Quinny  Yeah. And. And the idea that a golden home moon only comes when, like, everybody’s actually being true about who they are, you know, that’s a it’s a pretty powerful ******* feeling. Yeah.  Speaker  Beautiful.  Dion  Yeah, beautiful. Speaking of powerful feelings. What are we doing for the rest of? The month, I don’t know. You don’t. You don’t know. Even though you you know exactly what it is. We’ve got a few things. There’s a lot going on in the month of the Merry, Merry month of August. We’ve got lots of movies that are out there. Things like nobody too.  Quinny  I do have a do in front of.  Dion  And one that we’re gonna see tomorrow night, which is. Weapons.  Quinny  Yeah.  Dion  You need the weapon. Give me the yeah. OK.  Ardella  I saw an ad for weapon the other night which just said 100% on Rotten Tomatoes and it was a print ad and I was like that. That’s a that’s a strong choice.  Dion  Yeah.  Speaker 1  Hmm.  Jill  From the team that brought us barbarian.  Dion  Yeah.  Jill  He ******* loves barbarian.  Dion  Yeah, that was. That was one that came out of left field w

Fantastic Four: First Steps Is this, the 4th attempt at bringing the Marvel Universe‘s “First Family” to the big screen actually as fantastic as it purports to be? Well, we have finally settled on a look and feel that best suits the classic super hero squad: and it’s ‘60s Retro-futurism all the way for one and all!!! It’s a whole new universe of Marvel stories starring Omni-daddy Pedro Pascal, serving C&%t Vanessa Kirby, Joseph “i’m on fire!” Quinn and Ebon Moss Bacharach (or baccarat as Quinny thinks he’s called) as the truly Fantastic Four! In this film we kick of Marvel‘s Phase 6 and usher in a new style and direction of storytelling, but is it actually good?  Listen in and find out! 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What time is it?  Speaker 3  What time is it?  Speaker 6  Blame on us? Yeah, it’s it’s.  Speaker 3  Fun it’s it’s podcasting time.  Dion  Butter in time. Wait, that doesn’t quite work. I don’t know. And right now, Pete, which she was invisible. Yeah. Yeah, well done.  Speaker 6  oh  Speaker 3  Sorry.  Quinny  Very well done. I love the feeling now, really. She’s.  Dion  Hold on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Embrace hope. She’s yeah, probably. Still there. Can you hear?  Jill  Really gone. Just gone.  Dion  Us in the void.  Peta  I’m invisible. I’m not silent.  Speaker  Yeah. Yes.  Dion  That’s true. They didn’t use that enough in the film. I don’t think they’re just having Sue just kind of being like, what are you guys talking about and freaking people out because, you know, I do, if I were the Invisible Man.  Jill  Yeah, she’s not seen, not heard woman.  Dion  Yeah, not seen, not heard. Wow. Hello. Back after a week. Off. Off. Yeah, yeah. Small, small break.  Quinny  Wow. Hey, I said, everybody feeling enthused and like, upbeat and stuff.  Jill  It was nice. To have a little break to be honest.  Dion  Yeah, yeah, I hate those months with the five Tuesdays. What? What weirdness is that ********? And now? Ohh, it’s it’s gone. You’ve gone all glowy and.  Peta  Yeah, I’ve, I’ve. I’ve smudged the camera so.  Quinny  And ohh well. Yeah, I know. She’s she’s actually doing the exact effect from the movie where it’s just a little.  Jill  Yeah, yeah. The Vaseline lens. Yeah.  Speaker 3  Bit of.  Quinny  Now, now pets. No.  Dion  Can I stretch my hand over here?  Quinny  Pun. Serve absolute can’t with your face while you.  Jill  Do that. Yeah, there it is.  Dion  There you go. Perfect.  Speaker 3  And now I’m going to do some cooking, OK?  Dion  Ohh dear and you know what I hope for everyone. Hello to everyone in the chat mainly for. I hope you all got to do the home.  Speaker  Hey.  Dion  Work.  Jill  Yeah. Did everyone enjoy the movie? I.  Dion  This particular day.  Quinny  Mean I could. See it? Yeah, Tari looks like that. She hasn’t seen it yet. She’s saying that she that please be good. Ohh. Interesting.  Speaker  Oh.  Speaker 6  Ohh.  Dion  Fascinating. What?  Jill  Yeah.  Dion  Look. Yeah, we Fantastic Four has been out since last Thursday. Officially, we saw it last week which? Was quite fun.  Jill  Yeah, there’s even some early screenings on Wednesday for the public.  Dion  Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It’s out. It’s part of Marvel’s Phase 266.  Quinny  Yep. First film of Save 6. First film of, say Phase 6. God, that’s.  Speaker 6  Dion  Why couldn’t have made it the first film of Phase 4?  Quinny  Because that was quite some time.  Dion  And then it. Would have been. Ago. Right. OK. Look, the fourth attempt at the Fantastic Fours and I I include in that the the 1994. 1. Which was never released except IS is is hovered around. Yes, there was a 1994 one.  Jill  That would make this the 5th 1 then.  Dion  Yeah. No, no, it’s it’s, it’s, I say this as in the fourth go at it because there were two with the same cast. So you have the, yeah.  Speaker 6  Ohh OK.  Dion  What are you talking about? This is. Our fourth thing. We have had, yes, it’s the fourth thing, you know, Michael Chiklis did a great job getting covered in rubber.  Quinny  That is true, Yep.  Peta  Yeah.  Dion  You know, and then you know, we’re up to this one.  Jill  Can’t remember the other guy.  Quinny  That’s gonna get off in the life. And remember who played the thing in Fan 4? Stick. Ohh my.  Dion  God fan 4 stick.  Jill  I know.  Quinny  That was, that’s what it’s called.  Jill  Fan Fant Fant 4 stick.  Quinny  I don’t know, but I I just.  Jill  Yeah, I think that a was in the. Middle not at the start.  Quinny  Ohh OK, I just call it fan 4 stick because it’s it’s easier to say.  Dion  Ohh, that’s right, it’s Jamie Bell.  Quinny  Ohh God that’s.  Dion  Right, you remember.  Speaker 2  Whoops.  Quinny  He was the young.  Dion  Billy Elliot.  Speaker 3  Yes.  Quinny  And and the young, chipper guy out of of the first king or the the King Kong movie that Peter Jackson did.  Dion  And he was also tin tin. But that was who made.  Quinny  It so not really who you would think. Yeah, would fit in a giant thing.  Jill  Memorable.  Dion  That he was the. Thing, yes.  Quinny  And Karina makes a good point, a arresting piece to Julian McMahon, who was the 1st Doctor Doom actually. Sorry, 2nd Doctor Doom.  Speaker  Yeah. Yeah.  Dion  Yes, because there was a doom.  Jill  I did rewatch the 2005 version on the weekend just for a bit of nostalgia. Yeah, I like those trashy ones. They’re great. They’re so campy and stupid.  Speaker  Did you?  Quinny  What did you think of it?  Speaker  Yeah.  Jill  And I look back on them. And I’m like, wow, the simpler times where we did comic book films. And we really, really did make them comic bookie.  Speaker  Yeah, man. Yeah.  Dion  And finally.  Jill  Well, we weren’t going. For all of the realism and stuff.  Quinny  Yeah. And they didn’t have to fit in with some. Gigantic *******. Thing.  Jill  I will tell you practical effects. Thing I don’t know I like. Yeah, CGI 1 is like that, feels like. A cheap cop out.  Quinny  Right. OK. OK. Fine, no suit.  Jill  With balls on it and not put in. Any effort and? Just animate it.  Quinny  You know what?  Dion  Wait, do you mean wait?  Peta  The fine effort.  Jill  Hey, it’s a different kind of effort. I’m like, let’s get our hands dirty and make a ******* stinky suit out of foam expanding. Foam or something like that and. Of course, some lung disease. Let’s get into.  Dion  I’m I’m going to like, I’m just going to take it on part of the actors there. Sometimes I’m just going to be like, yeah, maybe they don’t.  Jill  It.  Quinny  This is Jeff.  Dion  Want that? Maybe they don’t want to spend 16 hours in a makeup chair to to to do. Yeah.  Speaker 6  As a cosplayer, I I would agree, but I would also disagree because I think it would be fun to make it.  Dion  Sure. I mean ultimately it’ll be that great thing of like they make someone do that and then they just go oh.  Quinny  I’m. I’m just.  Dion  We’re just gonna CGI it.  Quinny  Well, The thing is, there was a there was a lot of the thing in this one that was actually practical. Like there’s quite believe it or not, there’s there’s shots that they hired a a pretty big wrestler to be the body for it. So on set. A lot of the time there was a practical suit, dude of roughly the right size. Is.  Jill  So we’re not talking about a guy that’s just standing in there in a green zentai.  Quinny  No, I mean when when they’re doing it with Evan Moss, Baccarat, then he was in the uh, whatever the **** he said. Backup, backup, backtrack.  Dion  Doctor rap. No. Baccarat. That’s a.  Quinny  Alright.  Dion  Game I know.  Quinny  Dion  Know you’re in a casino in Monte. Carlo yes, guys.  Quinny  Anyway, when he was on set, yeah, they they had this entire certain stuff like that. But there were quite a lot of it that was shot any time they needed, like a wide shot and everything. They actually had a dude in a suit with the. Ohh head and everything. Cool. Alright. Yeah, I’ve I’ve seen the the pictures of that, but I’ve also in the chat just put a link to the 1994 one and the thing in that Jill, you would love that one because the the suit actually looks more like the comic book character than any of the others have.  Jill  I love the terrifying dead. Eyes.  Speaker 3  I know.  Dion  I mean, it’s great. It’s yeah, it’s very thingy.  Jill  That’s. Yeah, that’s.  Speaker 6  Look at that thingy over there. That thingy.  Dion  Yeah, that, that, that is definitely something I’d go. What is that thing? If I saw it in a in a thing?  Jill  With that young man with fake grey sideburns.  Quinny  I know, right?  Dion  Yeah. Hey guys. I’m trying hard here, Joe. What?  Quinny  Honestly, if you could find that film. Like this. This is I love this one because my my thing with Fantastic Four it it started with this film because I was one of those ******* nerds who heard that there was a film that got made and was never released. So I then went and hunted.  Speaker  For.  Quinny  It and I, you know, back in the days of VHS trading, got somebody to send me a *******. VHS of this film that had never been released, and I’ve watched it. It’s terrible, but it’s actually got a lot of, like, it’s trying really hard.  Jill  And. Nice.  Quinny  To do all of the things that are fantastic, four movie should do just with no budget. Hmm. So yeah, like it’s got Doctor Doom. It’s got the mole, man. It’s it’s got them all doing their powers. But like Reed, stretchy arms are like pool noodles with a with a *******. A glove on the end.  Jill  I mean that’s still image alone is giving vibes of like 70s Italian Spiderman.  Dion  Yes, got a bit of that. I mean, you’ve gotta. What’s what’s the what’s the the crossover slash league like the Marvel Group, you know, secret wars thing. It’s the 1989 Punisher. Dolph Lundgren. It’s the the Captain America film. It’s the Fantastic Four film.  Quinny  Hmm.  Dion  You know, it’s all of those ones Pre Marvel Universe. Mashed together. And you’re like, what is this strain? ******* place, but we don’t. Here, we’re in a different, strange place this time. We’re in much more budget, some bigger names and some.  Quinny  Yeah.  Dion  Finally, they sort of kind of got people who give a ****. Quinny  Yeah, yeah.  Dion  About doing something fun.  Quinny  Yeah.  Jill  And that’s nice. Surprising what you’re going to accomplish when you put in some time and effort.  Speaker  Yeah, isn’t it?  Dion  Isn’t it’s kind of like oh.  Quinny  And when you? And when you’ve had three goes at it before and gotten it wrong three times. You kind of go. Well, **** it. We’re gonna hold off on this one because, I mean, Fantastic Four has always been seen as Marvel’s first family. Like, you know, they’re they’re one of the very earliest Marvel superhero groups. And you know, we’re what, 40, you know, 39 films in now something.  Speaker 5  Sure.  Dion  More, I don’t know 112 where 112 films in now. That’s how many there are. I I won’t be fact checked.  Quinny  And we’ve, yeah, and now we’ve just introduced the very first Fantastic Four stuff. So yeah, it’s it’s an interesting one. I mean, obviously they were tied up in rights for. A long time.  Dion  But yeah, I mean. Look, it’s fine. We’re just going to ignore the rest of those fan 4 test. Stick, whatever it is.  Quinny  Can’t ignore them.  Dion  We have to stick, then forget stick. That’s what I. Yeah, we’re gonna ignore that.  Quinny  Not. The autistic fans.  Dion  We’re going to, we’re going to ignore that. Michael B Jordan, he’s also Johnny Storm. Yes, I know, right. No, he’s not Killmonger. He’s definitely Johnny storm. We’re also going to ignore that Captain America.  Quinny  Ohh yeah yeah, he was one of them.  Speaker  Yeah.  Jill  Was also Johnny Storm and Captain America.  Dion  Was also. Stone. Yeah. Yes, exactly. We’re going to ignore all of those things and focus very.  Speaker  Yeah.  Dion  Much in Comic Daddy and his family and Pedro Pascal’s not not happy just being space Daddy, Apocalypse Daddy and General General Daddy.  Jill  Yeah. Thanks, daddy.  Dion  Now he’s also comic Daddy.  Quinny  Hmm.  Speaker  Yeah.  Dion  Yeah, along with.  Quinny  Is there anything he can’t, daddy?  Dion  You know what? Hollywood will not let him. Not daddy something. He’s in there now forever. Like. Yeah, he will just. He will just keep doing it until everyone collectively gets sick of him. And I’ll be able to return to an anonymity.  Quinny  Hmm. I just realized it is the summer of Pedro, it’s.  Jill  Summer picture.  Dion  Yeah.  Speaker  Been just realized.  Dion  Multiple summers.  Quinny  It was another ******* attempted Fantastic Four.  Dion  Oh. Have you? Yes, grey tailed.  Quinny  Well, technically. There was another Reed Richards. Ohh John Krasinski but that.  Jill  Yes. Yeah, that’s right.  Dion  That’s in Multiverse of Madness, which is so the. But that’s not the Fantastic Four.  Quinny  Yes, from. Marvel Universe. He’s one of the breeds.  Jill  He was. He’s Mr. fantastic.  Dion  Is he though?  Jill  Yes.  Quinny  He’s Mr. spaghetti by the end of. It but anyway.  Dion  Yeah, like I mean, yeah, that’s just on film, but it it, it wasn’t the Fantastic Four and this is what we want to focus on. It’s about these group of people and. How they’re represented in cinema? Yeah. What you’re not.  Jill  Capturing in the audio is our eye rolls.  Quinny  Massive massive eye roll.  Dion  Come on.  Quinny  Beyond wiping away John Krasinski from the from the entire multiverse of of anything, and we’re all going. No, no, no.  Jill  Yeah, that’s because they don’t. Can’t do a convincing cosplay of John Krasinski’s Mr. Fantastic. You can only do the Pedro.  Dion  No, I cannot.  Jill  Dion  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, and if you squint, the Ian Crawford one.  Speaker 6  You’re clean shaven for that one.  Quinny  I’ve just had an eye. Yeah, my eyes are not that ******* blind.  Dion  OK, then fine. I’ll go with this one if this. If he’s part of the Fantastic Four Canon, you need to cast the other three members of the Fantastic Four in those universes. Who is it going?  Jill  That’s true. OK. Oh my God. Yeah. Can we come back to this at the?  Dion  No immediate. OK. We’ll give you time. Time. Yeah, time.  Jill  End of the show. We’ll be here for 15.  Dion  Minutes. Yeah. Yeah. So if if if John Krasinski’s Mr. Fantastic and chat go and throw some something we.  Quinny  Man. Need to sleep? Yeah.  Speaker 6  ******* Emily Blunt. I would go. Emily Blunt force.  Jill  Storm.  Quinny  **** yeah. Yep, Yep. You down to?  Dion  That yeah, Karina, just like gonna get to the. Synopsis yet guys.  Speaker  Yeah.  Peta  You know, keep getting pushed.  Speaker  Push.  Speaker 6  Push by the chat. Let’s go.  Speaker 2  Yeah, that’s a wow.  Quinny  I’m being bullied by the test.  Peta  This film about.  Quinny  What is this film about it? No, I’m not gonna. I’m not gonna do the synopsis now because I’ve been told. I have to.  Jill  No. Ohh yes.  Speaker 6  Jesus.  Dion  Christ.  Jill  That sounds like me energy.  Dion  Peta  Settling into that demand avoidance there.  Dion  Come on. Tony, have you got? Have you got some synopsis?  Peta  Yeah.  Quinny  For us it is. I have got a. Synopsis for everyone but Karina.  Peta  To be fair to Karina, it’s been 20 minutes.  Jill  Can you do it in a Brooklyn accent? OK.  Speaker 3  Forced ohh. Forced to balance their roles as heroes with the strength of their family bond, the Fantastic Four must defend Earth from a ravenous space God called Galactus and his enigmatic herald the Silver Surfer. And guess what? It’s clubber and die this.  Quinny  Ohh, cool, that’s it. That’s the whole book. Was an opposite. Trust me, there was an even shorter one.  Speaker  Is that it?  Speaker 6  Yeah. Wow.  Dion  I love sofas, yeah.  Speaker 6  Silvers, soyfer yeah, soyfer.  Dion  Some some more continents and vowels in there that I remember from.  Speaker 3  Hey, I’m going down the street and I’m going to start some some flights. Yeah, yeah, yeah.  Dion  Yeah, that’s about it.  Quinny  Hey, get that man some cookies. Thank you. I.  Dion  Would love some cookies. That’s kind of what the movie is about and I’m, I’m I’m with it like this isn’t one of those films that you went and saw and you’re like, oh, great, we get to have an origin story of how did they get their powers, how did. They do this like how do we go through that? They were like, no, you know what?  Quinny  Ohh thank God.  Jill  Yes, we just got a tidy. Little vignette, and that’s all we needed.  Dion  Yep. Quite a long vignette really explaining like how they fit into the world and how suddenly the the brokers of World Peace and everyone looks up to them and they’re the world’s family.  Quinny  Yep.  Jill  Yeah, I kind of love it.  Dion  I mean, OK.  Jill  They’re. They’re paragons.  Quinny  Yeah. And we, the the important thing to note is that we’re in a different world here we are in. We’re not in the regular Marvel Universe. We are in a weird kind of quasi 60s future pop, yeah, different reality.  Speaker  Mm-hmm.  Speaker 3  It’s.  Dion  It’s 60s futurism, so it’s just it’s there’s a divergent.  Speaker  Hmm.  Dion  From our history to where it has ended up in this Earth history, and I’m I dig it, I dig the style, imagine in the 60s if four people got shot into space and came back and had all these powers and solved a bunch of problems.  Speaker  Hmm.  Dion  And a bunch of other things happen. That’s how that kind of goes. It’s like, yeah, well, you know.  Quinny  Yeah. And the difference.  Speaker  I mean.  Quinny  Not actually stated what year this is, is it?  Dion  No, no, it’s just the different earth.  Quinny  Yeah, right.  Dion  And what that is. But people don’t have.  Jill  Yeah, it could be current day 2. 616 Earth we don’t.  Quinny  Yeah, yeah.  Jill  Know that’s just what this earth.  Dion  Yeah. Looks like there’s big. There’s big kind of LED screens, but no cell phones.  Speaker  Slide.  Peta  Yep, well, it’s kind of like they’ve kind of gone. We don’t need to put energy into making TV screens flat. We’ll just have giant non flat TV screens and faster than light space travel. Yeah, yes. But we’re gonna do with that extra energy.  Dion  There’s there’s like.  Quinny  No.  Dion  You know. Yeah.  Peta  We don’t need to put energy into like inventing MP threes. We’ll just keep records. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And teleporting.  Dion  Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.  Peta  Think of what we could have done as humanity.  Quinny  I didn’t know.  Dion  Exactly all of our computerisation goes on tape.  Jill  Yeah, I mean. Yeah, we invented cassettes and then CD’s and then digital format music. And now we’re back to ******* records again.  Quinny  So yeah, but they just didn’t bother leaving the the records. Yeah, because they realized it was the the superior format from the start, especially if you print them in.  Dion  Yes. Gold. And if you haven’t got a troop of players in your lounge room. You know, yeah. Eventually we’ll get to there, won’t we, like? Oh, this is my 9 musicians that follow me around and. Play music to me.  Speaker  Yeah.  Quinny  Yeah. I mean, yeah. Karina and Casper both kind of make the point. It’s very jetsons.  Dion  Yeah. And that’s kind of great because that’s very familiar to the people who knew fantastic for for when they were growing up based on the cartoon, which is the the sort of.  Peta  So jetsons.  Dion  The carry over of where people would sit from the Saturday morning kind of cartoon and. You know it it it sets the tone that everyone could easily get into and I went, I’m here. I immediately know what’s going on. It has a different Marvel logo, it has a different kind of a soundtrack. It’s setting itself in a in a particular period and I was like, I’ll go with this. This is totally different to every ******* thing else. This isn’t a dark and gritty reboot. This isn’t. Anything really to do with the rest of the Marvel Universe? Yeah, kinda. Which makes me happy. And I was like, I’ll go with this. I’m immediately just going to be like, all right, what do you got?  Jill  Yeah. I think the thing that’s so immersive about it is the visual language that they’ve lent into so strongly and so thoroughly like the the set design and production. All the set pieces, the costumes, everything like that was like. Beautiful, like there was such attention to detail and there was not like a wasted moment on screen. It was so interesting that we’re talking about like, how like futuristic retro it is but. Like the. Costuming wasn’t futuristic. That was still like grounded in 60s fashion.  Speaker  Hmm yeah.  Dion  I had a really good time just watching the sets and the costumes. I was like they have actually paid a lot of detail to the costuming, not only of the signature folk, but the people around them too. Looked sharp as ****, I gotta say.  Quinny  And.  Jill  Yeah, like the the space suits and their hero suits were were still like. Grounded within like that 60s, like retro futuristic style, but had like the the strong 60s fashion elements as well in terms of like the textures of the fabrics and things that they used but the the colour theory throughout was fantastic and yeah just the the visual language that they. Used in this film was just so Cohen.  Peta  It’s a joy for. The arts, hmm.  Dion  Joy for the eyes until we get to the failure of the film.  Quinny  Wow. Jesus. OK, so, so just a reminder folks, the deal also sat through Superman and huffed.  Speaker  Go further on.  Dion  I did. I did half. He did half I wanna also. Caveat that I did see Fantastic Four, but beforehand I had.  Speaker 6  So.  Dion  To watch. Beforehand I had to win. The Avatar trailer 17 times. I don’t. I don’t know how to explain that in terms of everything else, but I had to sit through the Avatar trailer. Too many ******* times, and that may have influenced my decision. And how I enjoyed that film slightly too many times.  Jill  Anyway, yeah, it’s almost like they strapped you to that chair and made you watch them 17 times.  Dion  They kind of did. Yeah. You know, because you know, as we all know, in those kind of cinema things, the seats are gold. And if you leave one, you’re done. It’s going coming back but anyway.  Speaker 3  Yeah.  Dion  OK, enough of that. Fantastic for what? What are your first four impressions?  Quinny  I just wanna know why you’re getting ready to throw it.  Speaker 2  Hello.  Quinny  Under the bus. To you ohh.  Speaker 2  No, no.  Quinny  Like there have been a couple of times that you’ve already kind of started. Coming out of. Swinging. I wanna know why the big.  Speaker  There is.  Dion  Rubber punches out. Well, first, I mean, we all hate John Krasinski. And. No, I’m just joking. That’s. Three just threw that out there for.  Peta  Come on for John Krasinski. And he’s not like.  Jill  He can’t even defend himself.  Quinny  He’s such a nice guy. Everybody talking.  Dion  About, I’m talking about how effusively I love the costuming, the design, the aesthetic, the way that it just kind of moves the story along really, really quickly. It throws in some amazing nods and references to the historical stuff, like there’s covers of famous Fantastic Four issues thrown in very quickly. I know you’ve got.  Quinny  Oh my God, that made me so happy.  Dion  Classic villains like Mole Man and the Red Ghost. Yeah. Ish red. Red ghost off.  Speaker 3  Well, sort of.  Dion  Like all of that stuff is kind of great. Herbie is amazing. The fantastic car, which I think often gets ignored. Quinny  Yeah.  Jill  Uh-huh.  Dion  In, in a lot of, this is part of the fun about the Fantastic Four is all of the bits and pieces that Reed comes up with. That’s all kind of themed Herbie, as I said. Yeah. And he was.  Quinny  Great. OK. Does everybody know the history of why Herbie exists?  Jill  No.  Quinny  OK, this is my my favorite stupid piece of ******* history. So in the 60s, when the Fantastic Four was being turned into a cartoon, they went OK we’re going to do the Fantastic Four and the standards people of America went hang on. One of the characters is on fire.  Speaker  Tell.  Quinny  We can’t have a children’s TV show where the children want to emulate the heroes and have a character be on fire. Why not so? In the 60s cartoon of Fantastic Four. Johnny Storm is removed entirely and is replaced by Herbie. This is where Herbie came from. Wow.  Speaker  Oh. Yeah.  Quinny  So the fact that, like the fact that he’s in the movie is ******* hilarious. But his history is even better.  Jill  That’s wild.  Quinny  And I’m pretty sure he actually talked in the animated series, but yeah, and didn’t just make bleeps and.  Speaker 6  Wheels. I like the Droid vibe it was.  Dion  Didn’t. Yeah, it didn’t sound like. Yeah, it didn’t sound like a 60s frickin B.  Speaker  Yeah.  Dion  I just. I just remembered something. Thing when we get this Sue storm into the proper Marvel Universe, she’s going to have to come up against Namor, yes.  Quinny  Hmm.  Dion  And and that’s a lot of that’s a that’s a whole. Jean Grey, Wolverine, Cyclops thing going to happen right there anyway. That’s right.  Jill  That’s something we can work on.  Dion  Later. Yeah, there’s a lot of smart in that one anyway, yeah.  Speaker  Yes.  Quinny  And apparently on on the set all the time, Vanessa Kirby is like, So what? What’s going on with Namal? Pedro’s like, for ***** sake, right?  Dion  Here she knows what’s going on. She gets all the cast members.  Quinny  Mm-hmm.  Speaker 3  Yeah.  Dion  Yeah. Look, I. Had a great time with it, like, you know, really good introductions to quick introductions to characters. Everyone got a little bit of ability to show who they were as characters very rapidly. Like, you didn’t have to pay to. Much there, but I also really appreciated how much they felt like a family and they felt caring and it was showing them in a particular way, which it wasn’t like, oh, these are conflicted people. They don’t know how to, you know, where’s the drama? I mean, the drama isn’t in the family. The drama is external forces. And I think they got that really well because there was a really cool vibe to sort of be like ohh this is, this is cool kind of family like like I I would take children to watch it and be like see, this is how you’re nice to each other. You don’t have to hit each other. You know.  Quinny  Don’t set each other on fire.  Dion  Don’t set each other on fire. Try stop working so hard.  Quinny  Pete Jew talk to me.  Jill  Oh my God. Ohh feels like so long ago but it was only Friday.  Dion  Four days ago that you saw it.  Jill  Ohh my goodness, I really liked the film. I had a good time. I saw it well. I mean, all the things that I said about the costume and set design and all that stuff was just fabulous. I thought like the story pacing was good. Like they they got to the point and they, you know they executed ABC. You know, here’s what’s happening. Here’s our problem. And here’s how we overcome. It, like they did that. UM. I thought the action bats were good. But again, I’m just not getting my **** blown off. Guys. The jet film. We’re back to the **** rating scale. OK0 **** means it was ******* amazing because they blew them both off, but two **** is bad because it doesn’t mean that I didn’t like the movie.  Quinny  Back to. Rating system.  Jill  It just didn’t **** **. Way and it made me start to think that there was something wrong with me. Like am I not finding enjoyment out of these movies anymore? Like is it becoming passe? Is it like over saturation? Like what’s the issue? I think what the issue is is that too many movies. Are just safe. They’re in a safe zone. They do what they do on the box and they do no more than that.  Speaker  Hmm.  Jill  I’m not getting any like thrill, danger, excitement from these movies anymore. It feels really middle of the road and pedestrian and that’s not to say that Fantastic Four was a bad movie. It was a good movie because it did its job, but it didn’t go above and beyond. And become an exceptional film. And I just, I feel that way about Superman as well. That was not exceptional to me, and it just kind of feels like every time we go and see a big blockbuster, I come out like feeling it was it was middling level.  Speaker  Yes.  Quinny  I agree, but I want to keep Pete’s. Take on it? Sure.  Peta  I think it’s very well constructed, beautifully made. Film, I mean, we’ve talked about the production design and the look of it already, which is great. You know, we’ve talked about the the structure which is logical and probably better constructed than Superman. And and I do think it’s funny that I’ve kind of liked the exposition. Free tool here that I hated so much and electric state, same tool, different vibe. It’s it’s easy to get into and you want it to be because there are some plot points that that, that require a very high level of suspension of disbelief. Even for a comic book movie, you know, usually I I I I try to give the the Budweiser and the ********* like. A bit of a break in in certain genres, but I struggled a bit with a couple of the plot points that very much drove some parts of the story. Because it was a bit wibbly wobbly. Sciency want see? Yes. Yeah, like, don’t.  Jill  Get into the proton stream, but get into the proton stream, yeah.  Dion  Yeah, you’re Superman.  Peta  That was and, and I think the issue is I I I get I I have a tendency to get a little bit distracted if I can’t. If that suspension of disbelief gets interrupted, and I think that these particular plot points were distracting enough that even though I was enjoying the film, I still. Got kind of. Kicked out of this story a. Little bit by thinking? Yeah, but Nah.  Quinny  Are these things that need to be talked about in spoilery territory or?  Peta  Ohh, everything needs to be talked about in spoiler territory. It’s it’s just and if they weren’t plotted drivers.  Dion  OK, alright, fair enough.  Peta  It would have felt a little bit different as well, but it it did kind of feel like as well constructed and entertaining and beautiful as the film is. I kind of agree with Jill that you kind of I didn’t personally come out of the end of it going like. **** yeah. Amazing superhero film. It was just kind of like, ohh, that was like really well constructed and good looking and entertaining. And yeah, Pedro.  Quinny  I I have, I agree very much with with everything you guys have said. My biggest problem with it is that. The movie didn’t have its next gear up like all the way through it puddled along at an enjoyable kind of pace. It was doing what was needed, you know, things were kind of getting, you know, you had your action beats and stuff like that. But then when you get to your climax. It doesn’t have the next gear, it can’t shift it back a cog. And really. Go ****. Let’s go. It didn’t have that it, you know, the the climax I kind of was like and oh, OK, right. We’re done. ****. OK. Huh. And that’s. Kind of implementing of the whole film that it’s really well made as as we’ve all said, well made, well shot, lovely costumes, lovely everything.  Jill  Great performances, everybody was on their a game.  Quinny  But nothing that made me go ****. That was a moment. Like, you know, there was nothing. There was no moment like.  Speaker  Yeah.  Quinny  The thors hammer. With that, America, there was no kind of really emotional beat of.  Speaker  Yeah.  Quinny  Vision saying you know that love is just pain. You know, whatever. I can’t even remember the quote. But you know those those those really like deep seated moments that make you go ohh. That got me right in the heart.  Speaker  Hmm.  Peta  Which Thunderbolts did for me, and that, you know, I. I guess if if if you’re going to hold it up against superhero films we’ve seen this year from a.  Speaker  Hmm.  Peta  Is it a good movie?  Speaker  Hmm.  Peta  Mm-hmm. You know, well-rounded perspective, I would still put Thunderbolts ahead of this, regardless of how beautifully. Thought out the world was.  Quinny  Yeah, like there, there were lovely moments and their lovely ideas. I love the idea of the whole world pulling together to go **** we’ve got. Eight months to build something or, you know, and we’re all going to pull in this together and we’re all going to come together over something. It’s a great concept, but it just never felt like it had those that, that personal danger of what we saw in Thunderbolt and. A lot of people who are doing the, which one did you like more, Superman or or fantastic? 4. I personally thought the Superman took more risks. You know, it was weirder. It was.  Peta  Well, it was more. It was more current in in its messaging and the. The risks that it. Was taking in that messaging as well, and I think also you kind of.  Dion  Hmm.  Peta  This is a bit of an imbalance, I suppose in the rate that one escalates because you can kind of attempt to escalate the stakes to the highest possible point and the escalate them so high that the audience cannot believe. That. That jeopardy is going to come to pass in that context, which actually, which actually kind of destroys that moment, is kind of gotta be like a believable, worst case scenario that they’re facing. Not like, well, of course, they’re trying to find a way to avert that. There’s gonna be a little part of you that’s like.  Quinny  Hmm.  Peta  Ohh, they might fail, which I kind.  Speaker  Hmm.  Peta  Of felt in this.  Quinny  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, like.  Peta  Otherwise, you don’t feel the jeopardy, you know, the way that you should.  Speaker  Hmm.  Quinny  Yeah, and and I don’t know, I feel like something like Superman has has more of a an alter kind of vision behind it. Like, you know, that felt like James Gunn saying something and his whole thing about found family and his whole thing about being outsiders and, you know, he. He has a particular thumbprint that is all over that. This one I couldn’t tell you. A thumbprint it was.  Peta  Which is funny because it is tonally and structurally much more consistent.  Quinny  Absolutely.  Jill  Yeah, it’s a. Package. Yeah, it has an aesthetic and it, you know, executes that, but yeah.  Quinny  Yeah. And and like.  Jill  There’s there’s special sauce.  Quinny  Yeah. And and I don’t. Know what it is because. I was wanting to get excited. I was super wanting to get excited and it just never quite hit me. And even when big things happened, I was like.  Jill  Karina made a good point that she thought we were going to see them fail. Based on what we saw in the post credit scene of Thunderbolts and I want to make a point where I kind of wish that that scene never existed because it coloured my expectations.  Speaker  Hmm.  Jill  This film I was going in.  Quinny  Yes, I’m.  Peta  I forget what that scene.  Jill  Was ohh that’s actually it was it was there. There was like ohh we can. We’re picking up something on our radar and then they zoom into space and they see the Fantastic Four ships flying through space and that bit. Yeah. Yeah. So I had a different expectation of what I was expecting in this film. And so I’m like.  Speaker 6  It’s just.  Dion  Just a a rocket ship in the sky. Kind of, or if it is, we don’t know.  Jill  Just on the edge of my seat the whole time, thinking. Well, how are they gonna get to our earth? When are we gonna see that? When are we gonna see that? And. And I’m like, so I wasn’t in the moment with everything else that was happening because I was anticipating something else to.  Quinny  Yeah. Yeah. And and maybe that’s that, that other cog that.  Speaker  Happen.  Quinny  I was expecting. Maybe that’s the the the next thing up is that you know, they do like, fail or they do something that that then took it to a different level.  Speaker  Yeah.  Jill  That causes them to and then this is how we get to this moment. But like now that we’re not going to have The Avengers doomsday film until another 18 months.  Quinny  Jill  I’m like, wow, how are they going to get our butts in the seats for that one?  Quinny  Yeah.  Jill  Because after watching this movie, I’m like. Ah, I don’t really know where we’re going.  Quinny  Neller.  Peta  At the end, do you feel safe now with your opinion to share?  Dion  I mean, my opinion is based on Fantastic Four and how I enjoyed this movie or didn’t.  Quinny  Which is a really difficult thing to do to to take the movie entirely on its own. Yeah, been its own value and.  Speaker 2  What?  Quinny  So aside from my expectation, aside from the other movie I watched a week and a half before, yeah, aside from.  Dion  Yeah.  Quinny  All of that, yeah.  Dion  Look there. This is the thing. Like I I really like to to throw this through. I really enjoyed Thunderbolts because it broke expectations that I had. I was there for it to say, what are you gonna do with this? And I was. Like wow, that is a great movie. I had certain expectations about Superman or I was wondering what was going to go, and I felt it wasn’t as good as I thought. It’s going. And I went to Fantastic Four. Saying how is this going to go? And I thought, yeah, I had a little bit of the same thing the the ending. Thing towards the end and some of the reasoning and stuff I was a bit like oh, this doesn’t make sense and I don’t understand where it does or doesn’t fit and I feel like they’re going to have to for some reason do another one in that universe for some reason. And I’m just a bit confused. I feel like it just kind of didn’t. You’re right, had that. Where’s that gear? Where’s the gear? Range. Where does it go up? Where do the stakes get bigger? Where does it become really important? But really I liked it because it. Was you can see across the entire movie from start to finish. It was a love letter to the time of the original Fantastic Four. Like all of the Kirby, all of the weird stories are just written into it. So it is made with a lot of reverence and a lot of love. And I really liked that because there was good messaging that was in there.  Speaker  Hmm.  Dion  The execution or some of the reasoning is just I don’t know how this fits. In the rest, like I love that it’s an outsider film, but I also don’t then. But what’s are we are we going to follow these people? Is that the point or is it just having a second one? Like I don’t. Know like it’s another Fantastic Four is like.  Quinny  Yeah.  Dion  Will we see him?  Jill  Yeah. Are we making this movie just to make a sequel? Just so we can make? Money.  Quinny  Yeah. Well, or are we making this one just because we needed to have a really good bad guy for the MCU. We’ve already announced who that bad guy. So we really had to have this film before doomsday could happen.  Jill  Yeah. There’s a lot of very upset people in. Our screening at the end of this movie.  Quinny  Yeah, yeah, there was.  Dion  Yeah, Speaking of bad guys, how do we feel about the villain aspects of this one?  Speaker  Hmm.  Jill  I was curious to how I would ever see Galactus executed on film, and I think it. Up to a point, it was well done.  Dion  Is it? Is it better than the giant cloud?  Speaker 6  Ohh yeah, we don’t need.  Dion  So the.  Jill  Some amorphous cloud like I want to see an actual Galactus and like how?  Dion  So.  Jill  Do you do? That I mean, especially after we had the Eternals where, you know, we have things God like beings in space, it’s like, OK, well now how do we make a Galactus?  Speaker  Hmm.  Jill  That was really cool, but then there was a moment where I thought it was. Not cool. Maybe I’ll talk about that in sport.  Dion  How? How did you feel about Charlotte Owl?  Jill  I thought it was sick. I’m like, yeah, let’s go back to the original Silver Surfer. Yeah. People will be surprised to know the original Silver Surfer was not a dude.  Quinny  I I knew that Michelle label was an alternate, but I didn’t realize that. Jill  I think the original Silver Surfer was a woman, and then it was her lover that begged Galactus to trade places with her.  Quinny  Yeah, yeah. Entry.  Dion  Interesting, yeah.  Jill  And disappointed we didn’t get the what if Aunt May was the Herald for Galactus and we didn’t get the golden oldie.  Dion  What are you talking about? Marisa? To me, isn’t that old?  Quinny  I I think.  Speaker 3  No.  Quinny  I think there were there were sequences in there watching the the Silver Surfer surfing through.  Speaker  Ohh.  Quinny  Like Kirby Crackle, ******* cosmic power surfing through black holes where I was like, **** yeah, this is cool. You know, surfing around curving laser beams and ****. I was like.  Dion  Well, grab. Yeah.  Speaker 3  Yes.  Dion  ******* hell yeah, that’s that’s the weird success stuff. That was the bitter.  Speaker  Hmm.  Dion  Was like, oh, this is great. Like, how do you put the Silver Surfer in? Why does it doesn’t even make sense. And it’s like, yeah, it does. If you lean into that. Crazy kind of 60s vibe that it originally was about. It’s like, yeah, I’m just gonna surf, like, through cosmic waves, man, it’s. Like. Cool. That’s fun. Yeah, it helps if you take LSD.  Quinny  Hmm.  Speaker  Yeah.  Dion  You know.  Quinny  Like there was something so ******* cool with all of that visual stuff. Yeah, that up until now, we’ve never really gotten because the only other time we’re seeing the Silver Surfer, he was on Earth, so it didn’t have that real cosmic kind of.  Dion  Maybe. He was the T1000 man.  Jill  Thing, yeah.  Speaker  Hmm.  Dion  He just kind. Of morphed around as needed for the plot.  Quinny  Your thoughts on on the Silver Surfer?  Peta  Neutral. Cool. I I don’t have a lot of feelings about the Silver Surfer as a character, but I thought she was. I thought it it was cool execution.  Dion  Yeah.  Quinny  Hmm. Yeah, look cool. And I like the the human eyes too. I thought that was kind of cool. Yeah, cause you I feel like you still need something to latch onto for a motion, yeah.  Speaker  Mm-hmm.  Quinny  I thought that was smart.  Speaker  And. Look, there’s look.  Dion  There’s lots of fun stuff in there. Standouts for me. I I I need to say I really annoyed that they didn’t rename it the fantastic six because to be honest, there are 6 characters in this movie. By the end of it, you’re watching it like there’s not just four, there’s more. Who you’re following through with, which was a bit of a surprise because I was like, OK, right. You’re just going to lean very heavily into the entire thing. Sure. I really. Kirby, I love that they went into galactic space because that’s kind of that’s that kind of that’s really fun. Like Reed Richards is that kind of character who, you know, is your prototypical 50s, you know, American Americanized painting, you know, of, like, it’s a pipe and slippers and, you know. Dad’s home.  Jill  Yeah. The Norman Rockwell. Yes. Please looking forward.  Dion  Yeah, absolutely. 100% The Rockwell and it it. But presented in that very conservative way, but he’s not a conservative. Like you know, it’s kind of like I’m just going to learn how to fold matter and bend this, and then we’re going to space. All right, everyone, safety third. Let’s go. That’s kind of Reed riches. Like he built a thing called the Ultimate Nullifier. And it kills anything in the known Marvel Universe. And then he’s just like ohh someone.  Quinny  He’s.  Dion  Like.  Speaker  Like.  Dion  ******** Reed, you know like.  Quinny  One thing you you said to me afterwards too.  Jill  Yeah, I mean. He just casually solved teleportation in this.  Dion  Yeah, yeah.  Jill  Film or whatever.  Quinny  Whatever. Whatever one thing you said to me too, and I agreed like they’ve always struggled to get Reed Richards powers looking good on screen. Like it’s very hard to do stretchy guy without it looking dumb, but one of the things that is kind of sad is that in the.  Dion  Yes.  Quinny  The comics and everything. Quite often you’ll see him, and that stretchiness of his body is a. Is. A all about echoing who he’s mentally. Yeah. So his arms are over here. You know, riding on the blackboard and his other arms over here, smoking a pipe and his head is, you know, stretched out over here, looking at the, you know, out the window or something like that. And there wasn’t much of that. It was very much like, this is traditionally handsome Pedro.  Peta  Yeah.  Jill  It’s it’s tiny. Yeah, it’s a tiny bit like he was doing. A little bit of the blackboard. Stuff and the catching things, but.  Speaker 6  Yeah, I don’t.  Jill  I don’t think we really got to see him actually use his powers much in the film as a whole.  Quinny  Nope. Nope.  Dion  It’s very, very expensive to animate Pedro Pascal.  Peta  It’s it’s a dump power.  Speaker 3  Pete. Pete, in there, it’s true.  Jill  I mean, it might be a time you. Would change your mind.  Speaker  Yeah.  Speaker 3  Blubbering time, no.  Quinny  Should we rate it because we are, we’re going on a.  Peta  Yes, yes.  Quinny  Long time. Ohh good.  Jill  Oh my goodness. I don’t know. I’m gonna pick a number.  Dion  How many tips off Jim?  Speaker 6  Yeah, the tip scale. Yeah, yeah, yeah.  Jill  Yeah. The two tip film, but.  Quinny  I mean, I’m gonna. I will change the rating system if I have to, but it’s gonna really.  Dion  I had some I had some issues with it, but I did enjoy. I had a fun time. I’m gonna give it a 75. No 70. I’m gonna go 70. Sorry. I’m. I’m back down a little bit mainly because I really loved.  Quinny  On the website.  Dion  The scenic I love the the the characters together. They didn’t quite mesh as much and I felt like some of them were lost like I think Ben Grimm’s the thing.  Speaker 6  Hmm.  Dion  Totally kind of lost in the hole as much to do. No, I I didn’t get enough of that thing because one of the most important things I know about Ben Grimace, he’s the real heart of the team. And while that was great, like I loved, you know, uncles, you’ve got uncles going on there. I loved it. You know, Johnny and and Ben are totally down for, you know, being uncles. I just thought he got a little bit lost and I have big issues with some of the purple headed warrior of the lactose, which I’ll talk about in spoilers, but yeah, overall fun time. Not a long time.  Quinny  Fair enough, Pete. Number.  Peta  I’m going to say I’m going to say I’m going to say 76 because I do think that it was. Really well put together but. The the I mean I’ll have some stuff to say when we spoil some things. Yeah, I’ll try to keep it brief. Actually, there was one point I think I said to you guys that I’d nearly walked out of there with more tips. Than I started with.  Quinny  I’m still wanting to know how that works.  Peta  Luckily, luckily I I didn’t have to go full rage out on it.  Quinny  So I’m very impressed.  Peta  Umm. But yeah, it’s just those kinds of like those those plot points that that just didn’t quite work for me were just a little bit kind of too conveniently driving the plot. And I didn’t quite buy even in the world of the story, that really kind of helped me back from from. Losing any tips at all?  Quinny  So so number of tips is 2. Hmm but. Peta  Ohh, also the young Kelly’s Uncanny Valley baby was distressed.  Quinny  Though apparently that they had a live baby on set 99% of the time.  Peta  In some shots, I was gonna say you, but you can tell the. Shots that aren’t, yeah.  Dion  Yeah, yeah. Babies don’t look like babies on screen. You gotta pay. They yeah.  Peta  I mean, either it was a fully uncanny valley baby or they were doing something to kind of make the baby look like it was looking, but there was something. Yeah. And whenever whenever Ben Grimm’s holding the baby, it’s like. That ain’t no real.  Jill  Baby, what number did you give it, Pete, 7676.  Dion  Yeah, we all know.  Quinny  And Dion, still at 70, isn’t.  Dion  He. Yes, I’m still there.  Quinny  Yeah, Dan, how many tips have you got left by?  Dion  The way? Yeah, just one tip.  Quinny  Wanted.  Jill  Only go off 1.  Dion  I only want it. Yeah, I mean, well. I mean, I don’t know. It’s moved. Maybe the **** moved like it. It’s not in the same place it started out, but it hasn’t gone completely off. It’s around the side visiting the armpit.  Jill  You can’t. But I gave Superman.  Quinny  I can probably look it up if you want.  Jill  Yeah.  Peta  See, I just kind of take it on a mood basis. It’s on a day by day basis.  Dion  Briefly.  Quinny  Hmm.  Dion  Phil was right. I mean, I think. One of the telling things long rated.  Peta  Never compare my ratings for one movie to another movie.  Quinny  Superman 65.  Speaker  Oh.  Dion  While while Jill is thinking, I mean it’s fair enough. Remember, she only saw it like 4 days ago and it feels like.  Jill  OK, here’s the weird thing though. Like after I watched Superman, I kind of wanted to see it again, but I don’t know if that was to try and enjoy it more or like to get the things that I didn’t really get about it. But this one I’m not really like in a rush to go back. To the movie for it.  Quinny  Hmm.  Jill  But. I did like it more than Superman. Then. I think I’m going to give it. 69.  Speaker 3  Nice.  Dion  Nice.  Jill  It was just a nice movie.  Quinny  Yeah, 69 and still 2 tips.  Peta  Yeah.  Dion  Quinny, what have you.  Quinny  Yeah. Got. I’m very similar to you know, I’m I’m probably I’m probably more in line with the pizza like. Yeah, 70. I’m going to go 77. I don’t know why. Yeah. Actually.  Peta  Just feels like a 77.  Speaker  Vibe.  Quinny  Like I I was a bit more warm on Superman whereas this. Like it’s it’s a perfectly fun, pleasant film. Like there’s nothing wrong with it, but it also just to me, felt like it. Was. Didn’t have much, particularly to say. Other than you know, wouldn’t it be nice if we could all work together and yeah. But also, maybe that’s what we needed at the moment is something that wasn’t too dangerous or whatever and. I don’t know. Yeah, it’s it’s 77 for me, but I just find it so.  Dion  Weird. We’ve, we’ve, we’ve, we’ve focused a lot on the non spoilery side and we’re running rapidly running out of time. So let’s go to the dinner clip to find out why they’re all such a nice blending together, then come back and see how much we. Can jam pack into spoil it section?  Peta  Leave if you haven’t seen it, because I’m going to spoil the very, very, very end of the film.  Speaker  Dion  Pete is thrown down. Here you go, alright?  Speaker 5  What are you doing? You mean what am? I. Doing and then you’re gonna ruin your appetite. I’m hungry, but never late for Sunday dinner. Should we wait?  Speaker  I guess you’re late. What I what do you?  Speaker 5  Mean. What do you mean? What do I mean?  Speaker  You’re late for dinner. Ohh yes we are. We’re late for. By single minute.  Speaker 5  Dinner. Yes, we were just just had to.  Speaker  Some aloe iodine on my shoulder. We got. Do his shoulder and.  Speaker 5  Why is that breakfast cereal in the dinner table? Why are you being?  Speaker  Weird. Not not being. Acting. Weird. Well, I’m doing that weird thing with your face, so. Oh, we don’t know what you’re talking about.  Speaker 5  Are you pregnant?  Speaker  Jimmy at the pregnant.  Speaker 5  Yes, yes.  Speaker  You know, I know he just cannot.  Speaker 1  That have you looked at your husband’s face?  Speaker  Keep his secret.  Speaker 5  What, really, yeah.  Speaker 2  What you are going to be the best mom? Oh, my God.  Speaker  And you are going. To be the best dad. Just kidding. You are out of your depth, but we. We’re going to be the best uncles ever. OK, we should eat.  Dion  Oh, there you go. Yes, that is exactly the kind of thing that we loved about the film. It’s really nice. Spoiler logos up, Pete. Destroy away. Oh, wait. Sorry. She has been there at the beginning. She will be there at the end. We here. Peter.  Quinny  ETA.  Peta  It’s not even my biggest complaint. It’s just that there was a moment at the end where I was like, I am going to have to have another full on rant about killing off female characters via self sacrifice and doing it to two female characters in one scene. UM.  Quinny  Thank God.  Peta  They recovered. They did recover. They recovered from it a bit and it didn’t really feel like it wasn’t going to recover. But for a moment there I was like, oh, oh, we are going to throw down.  Jill  I don’t believe you didn’t realise the magic baby was gonna save the day.  Speaker 3  Sacrifice.  Peta  I did. It did, but there was a part of me that was kind of like you better ******* not.  Dion  Yeah, yeah, there was a little bit of that was it? It’s like, don’t you ******* dare? Jesus Christ, he’s not a. Defibrillator. He’s a baby.  Jill  I mean, you don’t have a. Magic mcguffin. The whole time and then not? Yeah.  Speaker 3  Yeah.  Dion  True, although, but as as we all.  Peta  My biggest my my bigger complaints.  Dion  Know Franklin Richards. The monster.  Peta  My bigger complaints were were the iffy plot points like I’m like, correct me. I’m not a linguist, but I’m pretty sure you cannot translate an entire language with three words like I don’t. I don’t know that that’s possible. The Rosetta Stone had more than than than 3 words.  Speaker 3  Yeah. Hmm.  Dion  Now.  Peta  I I don’t see how I don’t see how.  Dion  Important to understand that this is in the Universe 8 to 8 where things can exist a little differently and they are not this bog standard and it was one of those.  Peta  Oh.  Speaker 6  But it’s it’s.  Jill  Things are like super.  Peta  It’s not the kind of plot point that you can explain away in your brain with that kind of reasoning like it’s not, but.  Dion  It has to be because that’s why I was. I was ******** about it and I yelled at Quinney until it came up to the thing. It’s like, but it’s not the real Galactus. And I’m like. Oh yeah, **** everything in this movie is not the real one from our universe. What? I’m getting angry at can easily be retconned by an executive who doesn’t like the feedback form.  Speaker  Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.  Jill  But this is also a universe where Reed is a super genius that can solve teleportation and like, move a planet. That’s.  Speaker  Hmm.  Peta  It just like the jump between ohh, I’ve managed to do it to an egg.  Jill  Come on.  Peta  Let’s do it to a planet. Nothing will go wrong. I actually, I almost thought that, like, that’s where it was gonna get interesting. Like, that was gonna be this universe is snap moment when they, like, accidentally. Left half the people behind or something.  Quinny  That that’s what I that’s. What I was kinda hoping for like.  Jill  Yeah, there weren’t really many stakes.  Quinny  No, I ******* love the idea of them actually going *******. We’re gonna teleport the whole planet and.  Dion  And ******* it.  Quinny  Up what? Could something goes wrong like they they go to the wrong place or they find themselves in the ******* negative zone.  Jill  Like that ******* DC convergence where the two planets had to merge together.  Peta  Or and that’s the thing.  Dion  They do. How did they do faster than life travel, but. Not work out how radar. Exists stop the fact that Silver Surfer was coming to blow up all of their teleportation machines that that shaped.  Quinny  Me. She’s very fast.  Peta  And in your hand it just kind of looked like a regular size spaceship. I don’t know why they couldn’t have just muted it or something like it’s like felt like a lot of like ohh The thing is coming very slowly. This is the only thing we can think of.  Dion  That was my big ***** point that I will get my big boy britches on and have a whinge about. Galactus’s ******* world eating ship is just a giant space grinder and. And I didn’t like that because if you’re gonna go to, like the extent that they went to, which was really curvy, whole super 60s kind of thing.  Speaker  Right.  Dion  Make the spaceship ******* weird. Make it the giant machines that don’t. You don’t understand the purpose of what they do like. Have something that’s in there.  Speaker 3  Hmm.  Jill  Yeah. What happened to like the? Big straw that he just shoves in the. Planet and like sucks it up like.  Dion  Yeah, all of that. But I mean, just like have the weird like, Kirby was great for drawing like. Contraptions that you love on the contraption, and they don’t. You don’t know why or how they work, or they have like extra bits that go off and they crackle with energy that you don’t understand how it sort of goes. He didn’t care about making it look well built. He cared about making something cool and stupid. And then they put Galactus. Fair enough, looked pretty good, you know, for a big.  Quinny  I look I. Liked big man collectors. I was down.  Jill  For that, yeah. I didn’t like how his. Height fluctuated with convenience.  Peta  Say he wasn’t that big in the end. Though was he he? He looked.  Jill  The lost, yeah.  Dion  A bit of juice out the back of the tube and then he got a bit.  Quinny  Maybe.  Speaker 6  So then he went and shrunk a bit.  Dion  Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.  Quinny  OK, let’s go with that, yeah.  Jill  He’s like ohh, now he can fit in this big circle on the ground that he like, would have Godzilla crushed the moment ago.  Dion  Crush. Sure.  Peta  Confused if planet size or if Godzilla size.  Dion  Yeah. Also how would sue push if 2?  Quinny  Because her push is not based on size, it’s based on willpower.  Dion  No, but push, baby. Ohh no. OK, recover. Push, galactus. Big baby. Oh, no much.  Peta  Is is based on magic mummy power?  Quinny  Yeah, yes, yeah. Like that. That big kind of finale stuff. I was like when he started to climb back out. I was like, ohh. OK now.  Dion  No. Well.  Quinny  We’re gonna get some shoes.  Jill  Yeah, I was like. Oh ****, I jumped.  Quinny  Yeah. Yeah. I was like, ******* sweet. Great. OK, now we’re gonna really ******* now, now we’re gonna wrap it up, but Nope. That’s just that’s it. Cool. Everybody get home. I would love to have seen them do something real. ******* ballsy. I would have loved to have seen them lose the earth, you know? Yeah. So that that’s why this Fantastic Four, like instead of. Yeah, that’s the run like this.  Jill  On the run on the. Sleeper on.  Peta  I’m not sure that Marvel is doing its answer to the trolley problem properly.  Quinny  Why not teleport the ******* baby and the family to another end of the universe, or to a different ******* dimension or whatever?  Jill  Because they answered that in the slack with pocket holes does.  Speaker  Yeah. Yes.  Dion  I mean. I look I I I I really got that like I enjoyed the bit where they were like, no, this is it honestly. Like we we we may be the people that everyone looks up to on the Earth and that’s a bit problematic to put that much. Responsibility. On four people who were there, but at least they always did it with heart, honesty, integrity and overall admission of failure. To the world.  Speaker  Hmm.  Dion

Jurassic World: Rebirth For a franchise that started with a single book and then a begrudging sequel, the fact that we are now 7 Films, two sub-titles, two Netflix animated shows and numerous games deep, tells us a lot about the state of the entertainment industry… (rather than the quality of that first book.) We have moved past the Jurassic park, beyond even the Jurassic World… we are now living in a post Jurassic planet. So if this film a true rebirth of a franchise, or the should this egg have been left in the incubator a bit longer. Dion and Jill have seen this weeks film, but Quinny is definitely here for emotional support and colour commentary. https://youtu.be/1AGTMry5nSc As always, a gigantosaursus sized thank-you to the dinosaurs and the mercenaries who love them, who join in with the conversation on the Twitch stream, live each Tuesday (or wednesday) night at 7:30pm AEDT. 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Billy and the Montessori. Yes, that’s right. Jurassic World rebirth. Let’s go and say hello. Tell me your dinosaur name, Connie.  Quinny  Rusty, Durkins, Liam and someone else asaurus.  Dion  Rusty jerkins. You didn’t think about this hard enough, Jill, do you have a dinosaur name?  Quinny  I don’t know.  Jill  I’m a jealous sore.  Dion  I’m jealous, though. There you go very simply done.  Quinny  Ohh OK I thought I was trying to do the actual like thing. No, right. OK, I’m just I’m.  Dion  A Quinn playdon.  Quinny  Hang on.  Jill  Like it?  Dion  That’s where I gotta.  Quinny  Call Quinn flygon. I’m down for being a Quinn flygon.  Dion  Yeah. Or Quinn Claudon or something.  Quinny  Quinn play.  Dion  Docus yeah, yeah.  Quinny  Yeah, I I like being a quintillus.  Speaker  Yep.  Jill  Phenolic quinoa. Quinoa.  Quinny  Quinolines quinolines Rex. But not locusts cause **** locusts cause that was stupid, yeah.  Dion  ******** cause. Yeah.  Quinny  Sorry, I I. Love that we tonight we’re talking about Jurassic World rebirth. Yeah, the chat is currently just concerned about the Superman shit that we watched. Last night.  Speaker  Usually.  Speaker 7  We’ll get to that next week.  Dion  Yeah. Yeah, next.  Quinny  Week we will we will talk. About Superman and the real dog. Yeah. Next week? Yeah.  Dion  We’re not, we’re. Talking about the other summer blockbuster of the season by Universal Pictures. That’s right, Jurassic is not finished yet. We’re having another crack at it. The 7th ******* film in the franchise is out. And for your watching viewing Dino pleasure.  Quinny  Hmm. And Speaking of a real dog, let’s talk about this.  Dion  Donald, pleasure.  Speaker  oh Wow. Wow.  Dion  Yes, it kind of does.  Quinny  Yeah, I I I I’m gonna have to. Sorry, you go down.  Dion  No, no, you’re on, Gifford.  Quinny  I was just gonna say I have to put my hands up to it. I haven’t been able to watch this film. I have seen clips of it I have. I have been given a a wonderful description from Dion as to what the film essentially was about.  Dion  A rapid fire blow by blow.  Quinny  Yeah. Yeah, but yeah, I I haven’t been able to watch the film yet, so I’m at a certain point in time. I may even have to skip out for spoilers, or I may not bother. I don’t know.  Dion  Don’t even bother. I won’t even go there. It can’t be that sort of thing. Yeah.  Quinny  Right.  Dion  And I mean, if you’re not for anyone in the chat, and who? Casper. Casper. Hello, Casper. You. We. You. You’re like. I haven’t seen Dominion. Guess what? Don’t worry. This is a brand new. Yes. Because it went. No, no. We’ve finished those stories now, and we’re gonna start a whole new thing with a whole new team of lovable people that may or may not get eaten.  Quinny  I guess.  Speaker 7  Doesn’t matter. Yeah.  Quinny  Yes, this, this, this new reboot trilogy thing. I don’t know if it’s gonna be a trilogy. Who knows? Is entirely Chris Pratt bless.  Dion  Unfortunately, it seems to have done fairly good bank, so there’s probably gonna be a sequel.  Quinny  How many Jurassic films? Until they just completely have run out of anything interesting to say about dinosaurs.  Speaker  Right.  Dion  Yep.  Quinny  I understand. I mean, we have hit the bottom of the.  Dion  Well, what? Well. They seem to be they see they seem to. Be re digging the well.  Quinny  Well, this is Jurassic World.  Dion  Just next door. Yeah, look. OK.  Quinny  Like I don’t know how to. Do this anymore. Todd.  Dion  It’s difficult. I’m trying actually trying to think, OK, what sort of, uh, freaking accent does queen have to do this opposite? Because we got to get the synopsis out of the way. What is like in Jurassic World rebirth all about? You know, is it Scarlett Johansson giving birth to a dinosaur? No, it’s not. It’s got nothing to.  Quinny  OK, it’s not that right? No, because that would have been a very interesting and strange film.  Dion  Do with.  Speaker  Dion  Is it Ian Malcolm waking up to a Velociraptor in his bed? Allah Jurassic World 3. Or was it 2? I can’t remember. There was literally that bit. Where’s Malcolm? Malcolm.  Jill  Three, it was him and the daughter that went back to.  Dion  Yeah, I think. 3.  Jill  The.  Dion  Island in the circle? That’s right. But that could have been anyway. Yeah, anyway.  Quinny  Sorry, just to go back, Dominion was the one that included most of like a bunch of the original Jurassic Park cast, wasn’t it? Yes.  Dion  Yes.  Jill  That is the crossover 1.  Quinny  Yeah, right, that was.  Speaker  Yeah.  Quinny  The the X-Men that is the future 1st.  Speaker 7  Yes, yes it was.  Dion  Yeah, yeah, the old and the new coming together to fight dinosaurs again. Yeah. Fight, ******* Jurassic locust.  Quinny  Locusts. Yeah, not even dinosaurs. ******* locusts. I remember that part about Dominion being really ****.  Dion  But this one.  Jill  Yeah. And I had the evil Tom Cook that was. Selling the dinosaurs or something, right?  Dion  Ohh look, there’s always an evil scientist trying to profit from the dinosaurs. That’s the that’s the whole point. And in this one guess what? You’re not alone. It’s evil scientist trying to profit from the dinosaurs through corporate.  Speaker  Right.  Quinny  So you don’t need me to do this anymore.  Dion  Hey, go right ahead, man. I don’t even have any background music for you. I just have. I can just do dinosaur. Creams in the background.  Quinny  Hey. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. So, Zora Bennett. Yeah. Like she leads a team of skilled operatives to the most dangerous Wow place on Earth. I’m not. That’s meant to be a, me and Malcolm and it’s. Feeling miserable.  Dion  I know I was kind of like.  Speaker 7  Sure. That’s what you were doing.  Quinny  Yeah, I was like, yeah, no, I I realized I was not in a gold blooming of enough. No, couldn’t do it just so I’m just gonna do it as me moves to Christian.  Dion  Christopher Walken for fun. Why not?  Quinny  It was heading towards Christopher Morgan. Well, Dinos. He’s a team. No, I’m. I’m apparently not in a place where I could do stupid voices right now. Something has broken in me. Thanks to COVID, I’m pretty sure 15 of my 27 elves that live inside me. Are dead.  Jill  No.  Dion  This is just becoming horrifying. Please continue this, not this. As quickly as that.  Quinny  Yes, it is. OK. Zora Bennett. Yeah, zora. That is her name. Leads a team of skilled operatives to the most dangerous place on Earth. An island research facility for the original Jurassic Park. 1 of 27,000 island research. Facilities for the original Jurassic Park, apparently. Yeah. Their mission is to secure genetic material from dinosaurs, not in the way you’re thinking. Whose DNA can provide life saving benefits to mankind as the top secret expedition becomes more and more risky, they soon make a sinister, shocking discovery that’s been hidden from the world for decades. There you go.  Dion  I I love that synopsis. I still have no idea what the sinister and shocking discovery that’s been hidden.  Quinny  Yeah.  Dion  From the world for.  Jill  Decades is that was the Montessori US, and it wasn’t decades. It was 17 years.  Dion  Yeah, which is very nice decades, but also like, is that a shocking thing? No, it’s like, OK, they’re hidden.  Jill  Set at the start of the movie.  Dion  It’s like. It’s kind of like it’s kind of like, wow, would Jurassic World have progressed into that? Ohh, you come to see the dinosaurs in the cages too. Come see the freak show. Freak show dinosaurs come. See. The freak show.  Jill  Yeah, it was definitely giving phantom of the opera dinosaur vibes. It was like I showed the whole thing. Just. Yeah, we’ll wait until the end. Yeah.  Speaker  Yeah.  Speaker 7  It’s just like. Yeah.  Speaker  Yeah.  Quinny  I’m speaking Elephant Man and dinosaurs.  Dion  Yeah. Yeah, really. And also I. Love that they just played into the tropes right at the start there of the. Hapless idiot scientist who can’t do things right. Who does the little critical mistake even though they work in literally a research *******. Place and it’s their mistake that unleashes absolute hell across that. And I’m like, wow, if that was the security problem, like, that thing that that person did, they had way bigger problems. You know, at least they at least they had an actual corporate self sabotage moment in Jurassic Park. The first one where it’s like, ah, I’m doing this for money. It’s like, yeah, great. I understand that.  Speaker 7  Yeah.  Jill  Yeah, where was BD Wong in this one?  Quinny  Yeah. Or or Dennis medrick.  Dion  Yeah, yeah. Surprising lack of BD Wong. In all of this, too, yeah, yeah.  Quinny  It’s. I’m pretty sure he died at. The end of the last one, didn’t he?  Jill  Probably. Maybe.  Dion  You’re not like, are you? Are you? Are you seriously telling me that that character would not have cloned himself about 53 billion times because he’s the master of the cloning stuff and has been doing all of that? And he’s like, you’re gonna make like 50 of.  Jill  Yeah, exactly.  Quinny  Yeah, I have. I’m not entirely sure that may or may not have been an actual plot point from. The animated series. Like like I I’m the the Jurassic nerd who has gone and watched all of Camp Cretaceous and all of ******* chaos theory. The two Jurassic animated series. So yeah, yeah, I mean very well aware of how stupid the ******* storylines are.  Dion  Someone else?  Quinny  I’m.  Dion  The movie is this movie, this movie, not the movie. This movie established itself in the Jurassic World world by becoming a direct continuation from the Jurassic World Movie World. I know right where the dinosaurs have escaped from their captivity, which we saw in Dominion, and they’re kind of populating themselves out across and the and to causing chaos to the humans like humans have to deal with dinosaurs as a thing. But then I love that it did a smart thing in my brain which was to pull it all back towards the equator. Because they’re basically like, oh, dinosaurs are dying and they’re becoming a real pain in the **** like a dead dinosaur is quite annoying and everyone’s bored with them because they’re just a pain. They just cause traffic gridlock when they die, and they can only really exist around the equator, where it’s a more oxygen rich and kind of prehistoric era like like area where it. There. More sustainable life. Expectancy. So dinosaurs basically exist around the yeah, dinosaurs basically exist around the equator and and you know people kind of forgotten about them except for the corporations which want to make drugs, drugs, drugs from dinosaurs, even though technically no one’s allowed to go near the dinosaurs.  Quinny  It does vaguely make sense.  Dion  It’s like great. It’s like a no go zone. Is there any patrols or anyone managing that? No, we just say don’t go.  Speaker  And people will not go.  Quinny  Wait a minute. Like if it’s the entire ring of the equator, that’s quite a lot of travel, like space to try and. Manage. Yeah, but I mean.  Dion  There’s not lots of stuff there. A little bit.  Speaker  You know.  Quinny  Like I don’t know how long the equator is, but I imagine that it’s quite mountain.  Jill  And it goes right around the middle of the. World. Yeah, covers land and sea.  Dion  Well, anyway, there’s lots of, you know, research islands and stuff like extra research islands. I also love that it’s like, oh, we have thousands of these islands around the equator. Cool. There’s more research places. I’m like, really.  Speaker  Yeah.  Jill  They gave themselves a problem and they gave themselves a very easy way to solve it.  Quinny  Yeah.  Dion  Yeah, it’s like and. But I looked at this, this island, and I’m like, man, that that looks even more like more technology and infrastructure went into that island than the park. So now I understand, I feel like ohh, that’s why they got out of the park cause they just didn’t give a ****. Whereas in this one, I was like, oh, this feels like it was. It had more money as could you said. To me, yesterday spared no expense, but we didn’t see that in Jurassic Park in the 1st. No, we didn’t see the spared no expense. It felt like it was, but it wasn’t. And now look at this one. I was like, wow, they’ve they’ve done so much more. There’s, like, helipads and geothermal energy and a whole bunch of things in there. But it’s a bit of a cop out.  Quinny  I really like. That that whole thing that the first one, you know, we’ve made a a park and we everybody understands theme park. OK, cool. Second film, it’s like AH, but there’s a site B.  Dion  Yeah.  Quinny  And you’re like, OK, fine by the time you get to 7 ******* films later, it’s like there’s sight 274B/3.  Dion  And that sure research area.  Quinny  Yeah. So what’s so cool about this research?  Dion  Where? Where do we keep over?  Quinny  Area I don’t get. It why? Why? Why should we care?  Jill  It’s the lab where they were doing the genetic experiments, so they were trying to cross breed dinosaurs with DNA. To make more exciting and terrifying dinosaurs, Allah the Dominus racks that we saw in the First Jurassic World. Except I think there were a few failures.  Dion  Yes, it’s where they kept all of the the the ones that went wrong. Yeah. Yeah, they’re like, oh, we cloned one. Ohh. It’s got an extra leg. Well, well, we can’t get rid of it. It costs a lot of money. So we’ll just see what we can get out.  Jill  Little bit.  Dion  But. At the end. Right. Yeah. So like it’s kind of like, oh, you have your, your, your your site B where you raise things that you kind of work because you did standard stuff and then you have your as you said, what was it, the Indominus Rex or whatever which was there. But where did all of the bits that came up to that go? Oh, they were at this other site which specialized in ****** dinosaurs.  Jill  Yeah. Where did the unaborted fetuses go?  Dion  Yeah.  Quinny  OK, right. See there, there is a concept there that I like, if only because one of my favorite bits out of alien for.  Dion  You mean the bit?  Quinny  Where there’s the multiple clones of Ripley that they got. Wrong.  Speaker 7  Yeah, right. Yeah. Yeah, it’s.  Dion  Yeah, like that, yeah.  Quinny  Yeah, that that kind of horror of like, yeah, we tried multiple times and **** got real messy.  Speaker 7  But father, why?  Dion  Queen.  Quinny  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, exactly.  Dion  But quinnie, I’m sorry in terms of movie making, that’s not going to happen because we only have the models that we could control C Control V and if every model is distinct and individual. That has different limbs or other things we we can’t do that that is too expensive. Plus we have this really great Tyrannosaurus Rex, one that we’re just going to keep using no matter what. We just reskin it. Another one.  Quinny  Yep, control Z control V.  Dion  Yeah, I mean, I’m I’m really into the island of Doctor Moreau. Dinosaur Island too, like, you know, everything is ******. Like if every dinosaur has had some something that was wrong with it in this, I would have been like, this is an interesting thing. Like, if everything like a Tyrannosaurus Rex with really. Really.  Quinny  Moret.  Dion  Tiny legs and huge arms that would be. I would love watching that. UM, but yeah.  Quinny  I would have loved to have seen like the T Rex. That actually still. Had its feathers and they’re like, yeah, this is actually what came out when we genetically did it. But yeah, nobody wanted to see that. And it looked stupid. So we just had to have that on site. ******* 27 B wouldn’t because.  Jill  That would have been. A better deep cut than just putting a school bus that said Creighton High School on it in. The opening thing like.  Dion  Yeah, I.  Jill  Know the taste levels in this film were non active.  Quinny  Sure. I I did see a sequence where they like they were walking into a a what you would call it like a museum. And they were literally dropping the banner of when dinosaurs ruled the Earth. And I was like, **** me.  Dion  The banner.  Quinny  Really, that’s a bit on the nose.  Jill  Quinny, I will tell you, I will tell you now that is not the first time they exactly ripped off the first film.  Quinny  Ohh dear.  Dion  Yeah. Yeah, but. I was written by the same guy who wrote the first film based on the Michael Crichton book. That’s OK, but I do feel. Like. Yeah, it’s a.  Jill  Is it OK to not do anything original that you have to completely lift sequences?  Dion  Bit.  Quinny  Right. Yeah, yeah.  Dion  Maybe he’s just using. ChatGPT to really he’s like, here’s the story outline. Fill it out.  Jill  Remember, remember the the fun kitchen sequence with the velociraptors. You wanna see that again?  Quinny  Yeah, but with a different. Yeah. Excellent. Sweet.  Jill  Cool, you’ve got it. Yeah. Do you wanna see the sequence well?  Speaker 7  Kids.  Jill  Yeah, yeah, yeah. You got that done alright. Do you wanna see another sequence where someone’s trying to lead a dinosaur away from a?  Quinny  Wait, OK.  Jill  Group of people with a flair. Yeah, because you got that.  Quinny  Too, I love Jurassic.  Dion  Your thing?  Quinny  Park. Yeah. The first film. Yeah.  Speaker  Yeah, like I mean.  Dion  Sorry, it’s it’s it’s interesting because the ideas that are purported from some of the concepts that presented to us in this. Film I were talking about, you know, interesting, different, distorted kind of things. Like, you know, you’ve got established law like they added amphibian DNA to fill out the chains when they got there. And Can you imagine seeing a Tyrannosaurus Rex or even, you know, some sort of Velociraptor that has a tongue that can fire out? And grab like a frog, like that kind of **** is.  Quinny  I still want the the ******* thing that’s in the book. The the The Lost World Book, the sequel book.  Speaker  Uh. That.  Quinny  Is one of the creepiest bits of the novel that they’ve never adapted to the screen. Probably so.  Dion  Which was that? Tell tell me of that news.  Quinny  So there there’s a bit where they’re they’re they’re running away and that’s much like the Lost world film. They’re running away from dinosaurs and suddenly they’re being chased by Raptors and the Raptors **** ***. And they’re, like, hang on, what the **** makes Raptors turn around and run? No way. And they’re like, well, we’ve gone into something else’s territory. We’re in deep ****. We don’t know what it is, and I think it. I think it was a Spinosaurus or something like that, that they patched some of the DNA of of that with a a. Ohh ****. What are the ones that. You can see through.  Dion  Ohh jellyfish Daniel.  Jill  The cuttlefish.  Quinny  No, no. Like the the little gecko, like a gecko. But what are the ones that change? Chameleon. Chameleon. Yeah. So it was like this perfect chameleon dinosaur and everything was scared ******** of it because they could never see it.  Speaker  Thing.  Jill  Well, they did that with the Indominus. They put the the cuttlefish DNA in the Indominus and it was camouflage.  Dion  Yeah.  Quinny  Ohh I didn’t even remember it being that camouflage. I always think of the Indominus as being kind of just white and dumb looking.  Jill  No, it was camouflage.  Dion  Could also and and change its heat signature. And it was, yeah, like they had a whole bunch of weird ****. And it had Velociraptor. DNA.  Speaker  Yes.  Dion  And it had everything, and it was linked to the child that was made.  Speaker  Yeah.  Quinny  Yeah, that was ******* stupid. OK. So, so yeah. Like it was a cool idea. Yeah. Yeah. That you know something that perfectly camouflaged itself. Yeah. But also is is still a normal looking dinosaur.  Dion  I mean, yeah, look. This film has it all. It has all of the greatest dinosaurs that you wanted to see kind of. I don’t know. They tell you in the film what the ones that they’re going to go for and then they do that they go to the ones that they’re going for. It has, you know, a great person to hate straight away. It’s got a great team of mercenaries who also had.  Quinny  Scarlett Johansson was quite pleasant. I don’t. Know what you’re talking.  Dion  Has a great team of mercenaries that all had distinct personalities and the back story. Yeah, yeah, that was the I was there. I’m like, I’m down for this. This is great. This is gonna be a fun adventure. We’re gonna go to the island and get the things. And I’m like, OK, they got, you know, sluty glasses guy. He was gonna be the person you follow. And then they added a family.  Jill  Yeah. How Red shirt gang.  Dion  For no ******* reason.  Jill  Yeah, that you’ve. Never seen the trailer? There’s just a random. Family got added.  Dion  Yeah. If it’s just like, oh, we need more people now. It’s like, do, do we. We had the team, we had the team which we could grow to love. And then when they got eaten by a dinosaur, we would feel something.  Jill  Yeah.  Dion  In this one, we just get to watch, you know, Ed screen get eaten within the first, like, completely wasted within the first time. Like ohh cool. He’s a military. That was. Yeah, he’s the military guy who’s got the only gun that they seem to have. And then he gets eaten and everyone’s like, cool. So you didn’t pack any other ******* guns.  Jill  Yeah.  Quinny  The. Even though you’re going to an island full of deadly dinosaurs.  Dion  None. And you pack 1 gun. That’s a **** gun anyway. Like.  Speaker 2  I don’t.  Quinny  Understand this. The reason they’re going there is for what? What’s the magnuson?  Jill  OK, so the pharmaceutical Rep wants to get blood samples from dinosaurs that had the largest hearts because that’s going to cure heart disease.  Dion  And they could make a **** ton of money. At least they’re open about that straight away, but then also.  Jill  Yeah, yeah, but it doesn’t work if you only get 1 sample from one large hearted dinosaur, you have to collect three. You have to get the air 1 and the water one and the land one. And together with their powers combined. Will cure heart disease.  Quinny  I’m Captain dinosaur planet. Yeah.  Dion  Exactly. And then if you if you use the fire from a flare.  Quinny  Wow.  Dion  It all goes together and also, you know, hey, let’s just let’s just throw in. Rupert, Friends standing there going and also didn’t your dad die of heart disease? Don’t you want to do something about that? And it’s like what? OK, it’s fine. We’ll just go.  Quinny  And heart.  Jill  Yeah, OK, well, now this is a cause that’s closer.  Dion  Yeah, yeah, it’s closer to. It’s closer to my heart, but like, ohh, holy ****, you already had us with money.  Jill  To my heart. So yeah, that will help.  Dion  Because she was like, that’s real dumb. It’s like, well, here’s a bunch of money. And she’s like, yeah, OK, I can do money. I love money. We’ll do money like that was fine. And then. But, you know, I was on board for that anyway, you know.  Jill  Done.  Dion  I also love how what’s his name? Jonathan Bailey’s Henry Loomis. That paleontologist was like. I’m really conflicted about going. To this island that I’ve been like consulting to this pharmaceutical company about how they can make drug and actually like they like he was the one who came up with like no you have to get it from. The heart of a. Living animal while it’s alive and they have to be the biggest. I came up with this idea. It’s like, OK, we’re going the island to do your idea. He’s like, oh, I don’t know if I can go.  Jill  Yeah, it’s like I’ve just dedicated my life to dinosaurs, and I might have the opportunity to see them in real life, but I don’t.  Dion  I mean.  Jill  Think I could.  Dion  Do it, but I’m slightly morally. Conflicted by it, it’s like.  Speaker  Wait. Really.  Dion  Yeah. Anyway, and then there’s an additional family which is just useless. They add nothing to the plot. Nothing. They’re not there for anything. They’re there for different sequences with different dinosaurs.  Quinny  What are they there for?  Jill  They literally add nothing to any of the context of the plot.  Dion  The mercenary team would have been better off not rescuing them.  Quinny  Right.  Jill  Yeah.  Quinny  So they probably would have been better off too.  Jill  Oh, and the whole family subplot. So it’s not like they were even there for. Fodder.  Dion  The survival rate in the.  Quinny  Ohh ****, I thought this. I thought they were gonna be like, you know, the another red shirt but a red shirt that maybe we’re a little bit more invested in because they’re kids or whatever.  Dion  No. The survival rate in this ******* film is way too high.  Jill  Yeah, out of like, all of the characters, I’m pretty sure it was like 4 that died, tops. And there was, I gotta say, like 10 or 12 characters in the movie that were on the island.  Quinny  Right. OK.  Jill  Yeah.  Dion  There were 11. There were 11 people on that island. I just counted them up quickly in the car. There were 11 people and out of it like 3.  Jill  There you go. You go.  Speaker  And it.  Jill  Was 4, three or four? Yeah.  Dion  Died. 33 died.  Jill  Ohh and it was all in the first like action sequence.  Dion  Well, no there was. There was.  Jill  Ohh wait, no there was one later. Two in the first action secrets and.  Dion  Yeah, there was. There was 2 and then one at the end and yeah. And even someone who did a heroic thing of sacrificing themselves to it, like, you know, to to let everyone get out didn’t die for no explanation. Absolutely no explanation. Yeah.  Jill  Then one later. Yeah, didn’t I?  Dion  You explain how that happened, no? You’re gonna explain where the monster. Where did the Montessori’s go? That was literally going to eat him when you went back to pick him up.  Quinny  And wave it. Away.  Jill  Yeah, they’re not the swords. Like, as terrifying as it was, was very slow.  Dion  No idea. The Montessori was.  Speaker 7  Didn’t move very quickly at.  Quinny  I was going to say you may have to help me a.  Speaker 7  All.  Quinny  Little bit. What’s the Montessori, especially as Jill.  Jill  What the source was like is the Phantom of the opera, so he’s the one that.  Speaker 7  Like.  Jill  Kills the scientists in the lab at the start, but you never really see it until the very end, where it reveals itself. But.  Quinny  Oh, he’s he’s.  Dion  Jill, you came up with the greatest explanation of it. This is the special needs dinosaur. Oh, dear. I’m sorry to say it because say that. Yeah, it is. It is the special needs dinosaur because it’s it’s it looks all ******.  Quinny  You can’t.  Dion  It is all ****** **. Yeah, but it’s also like it just makes it makes decisions in there, which is like, are you OK, buddy? Are you a special little dinosaur? Ooh, shiny thing. You know, kind of like, that’s the kind of level you get it. It’s supposed to be big and scary and kind of weird.  Jill  It’s giving Timmy for himself.  Dion  Then OK, you get that. But like by the end of it, you’re like, you could probably distract this thing with a rock.  Speaker  Like.  Dion  Shiny thing? It’s not hunting anyone in particular, it’s.  Jill  Yeah.  Speaker 7  Just yeah, a laser pointer like a.  Speaker  There.  Dion  Cat. Yeah, yeah, he’s a laser pointer. It should be. Like ohh over. Here. OK, alright. Don’t worry about him. He’s just. A.  Quinny  ********. I am looking at the design of it like I’ve found a. Toy of it.  Dion  Right.  Jill  Ohh yeah, they made a toy that was a toy.  Dion  Its official name is Distortus Rex.  Jill  Yeah. That was just because they. Couldn’t call it the R word. Don’t cancel me.  Dion  Restore restores Rex.  Quinny  Yeah. I’m going. I’m just trying to work out why. It has 6 legs.  Jill  Because it’s an abomination. Quitting.  Dion  Why not?  Quinny  Yeah. And a giant alien looking ahead. Actually, you know what it reminds me of doing? It reminds me. Of. Dion  A duback it reminds me of a. Rancor. What did you call me? Easy. It reminds me of of like a. A a a not quite a right rancor.  Quinny  Ohh yeah, but like the tail of the.  Jill  Rankle from Team who, didn’t we?  Speaker 7  Say.  Quinny  Yeah. Yeah. Rank. God, it does have rankle from Teemo, doesn’t it? Yeah, with a little bit of dew back in there as well. But but dewback with with tiny little dumb **** little baby legs at the front. But then giant *******.  Dion  Got removed.  Jill  Excuse me.  Quinny  Clothes as well. Wow. Yeah, terrible design.  Jill  And it was very slow.  Dion  Yeah. Comparatively, yes. Yes. Casper was asking you.  Speaker  Are.  Quinny  There any other cool dinosaurs in?  Dion  There is there is product placement in this which is also funny. OK, here’s the thing. No, there are not really any cool dinosaurs in this.  Jill  They’re all the stock standard ones that we’ve seen before. There was iguanodons. There was a Tyrannosaurus, there was a.  Dion  Spinosaurus.  Jill  Resource resource source. We saw a really fuzzy blurry shot of a couple of loose wrapped.  Dion  Agodon or whatever they want to call it, Moses areas.  Jill  There’s there’s flexicoil and.  Speaker  Oh oh.  Dion  That, that, that game that gave me the sheets. OK, I need to explain. That one. What? What is in every single?  Speaker  And.  Jill  There was a Ankylosaurus, but it was like for 1/2 little second as they’re like rushing through the jungle I’m like. No. Give me ankylosaurus. What? What?  Quinny  Is the.  Dion  What is the staple dinosaur across all of the other Jurassic Park movies? What is it?  Speaker 7  Yes, velociraptor. Yeah.  Dion  It’s a velociraptor. How dare you in this one? Only show a Velociraptor or two velociraptors out of focus.  Jill  Out of focus.  Dion  Stalking the character you want to die like there’s a character that you want that character to die because it’s just a.  Speaker  Yeah.  Dion  Person that didn’t need to be in the field, but also you’re like, yeah, get rid of that, that character that that character’s ******. And then it gets killed. Like they get killed off screen like in the kind of. Behind things so you don’t need to see what happens like. They’re not even. In the frame like ohh we we put lots of Raptors in there.  Jill  It was supposed to be a comedy beat, but.  Quinny  Yeah. Anyway, OK, I I will point out that there is a toy of Zora Bennett with the Velociraptor.  Dion  No, no, no, no, no, they’re well, they kind of I I did look it up. They were like a different kind of Velociraptor that had been engineered. And I’m like, no, that’s just a Pelican with no feathers.  Quinny  OK, right. So.  Speaker  You want to be.  Jill  Hold that one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was. It looked more like a Pokémon.  Dion  At the end, which was Kinder? Yeah, but you know my favorite dinosaur of this whole movie?  Speaker 2  Wow.  Dion  Merchandising. Dinosaur. That’s right. We’re going to give the little we’re going to give a kid the war merchant door. Yeah, merchant hours.  Jill  Baby Diner Deloris the baby dinosaur.  Dion  Yeah, Mercer hours because ******* rogu the dinosaur. All right. OK. Yeah.  Jill  That’s it.  Dion  Yeah, groger the dinosaur. Who who manages to to to look. It’s almost like Dora the Explorer. Yes, because that’s what it is. The little girl with the backpack is.  Jill  Yes, giving Dora. And boots.  Dion  From from like a Latina background has like adopted. ******* dinosaur. For some reason, even though they’ve been trying to eat her for the whole time, whatever.  Quinny  And and doesn’t. She say early on that she hates dinosaurs. Yeah.  Jill  Well, yeah. She just had a traumatic experience with one, and then all of a sudden, she befriends the baby. 1. Because marketing they.  Dion  I can’t wait for the next one. Jurassic World Re Rebirth, where it’s grown up a little bit and it’s just causing terror around their household because it’s gotten too big. I know, right?  Jill  Yeah, they should get James Gunn to direct that one.  Quinny  I mean, you’ll at least make it fun. Maybe Jill. OK.  Dion  Jill, that’s next week.  Speaker  Look.  Jill  You guys know that I love wanton dinosaur destruction as much as the next, but there was 0 in this movie. This was the most this.  Quinny  And she’s wanting dinosaur destruction.  Jill  Is the biggest. Let down of my life for a Jurassic film.  Quinny  Wow. Yeah, yeah.  Dion  Ohh great it was.  Jill  Not even any of the scenes with dinosaurs were exciting. Was none of them very mediocre?  Dion  I I really liked 1 scene which also did not pay. Off at all. Point of the scene.  Jill  Uh-huh.  Dion  So, and I’ll say because I don’t really feel like it’s not really a spoiler anyway, they they, their boat crashes, they get they have to swim to the beach. The Moses all can’t get in there, but there’s these other like is it Spinosaurus that are like the sail the sail ones yeah I don’t know the ones are the sail Finn on their back they have been kind of swimming around and you know smartly.  Speaker 7  Slide on some things.  Speaker  Yeah.  Dion  The dinosaur expert goes. Like, don’t stop at the beach. They’re amphibious, like keep moving. He keeps running like everyone else is like, oh, finally, we made it to the beach. There’s no more dinosaurs, and he just keeps running. Going. Nope. Nope. And phebus amphibious, like and keeps running into there. And I like that. And someone kind of takes a beat on the beach. And you’re looking at the back, and it’s kind of rocks.  Speaker  Hmm.  Quinny  Yep.  Dion  Everywhere and stuff. And then suddenly one of those ones rolls over. Because it’s been lying on the beach flat. So you didn’t see this? The big sail, Finn. And it’s terrifying because you realize. Ohh ****. They’re on the beach already and everyone’s just kind of relaxing and like breathing heavy and going. Oh my God, I can’t. And one rolls over and kind of like slides around. And you’re like. Holy ****, that’s gonna get that person that’s right there. And then they take a beat and it doesn’t for some reason. Another one comes from somewhere. Else to do it and. Then they just **** ***. Yeah, like they see a person dying like ohh no, that happened anyway. Alright, that’s very sad. We should go. And it’s like they would be hunting you.  Jill  There were a couple of moments that were giving like ohh this is alien vibes. This would work perfectly if they just let into the horror aspect and then they completely swerve the other direction and.  Dion  Yeah. Yeah, this is.  Jill  Basically, make a really kid friendly film.  Dion  Yeah, there’s there’s no horror in this and I think that’s one. Of. The things Queen you’re saying Camp Cretaceous was a. A good TV show. It feels like they they wanted that audience to come and see and they couldn’t get too scary.  Quinny  Yeah. Well, and the and the stupid thing is in in Camp Cretaceous and chaos theory, they do, you know, have enough actual threat in there like dinosaurs do, eat people and ****. You just don’t see it. Like you don’t see big bodies being munched in half, but.  Jill  That was the beauty of the first one. That was the beauty of Jurassic Park. They’re terrified. 8 year old me, but I still went back to keep watching. I’m like, this is ******* terrifying. Must watch more here.  Quinny  Dinosaur leaping. Sir. Absolutely.  Speaker  Yeah.  Dion  They don’t. They do. They hate that guy on the toilet, like the lawyer.  Jill  Yes, snapped him up, chewed him, gobbled him.  Quinny  Down. Yeah, exactly.  Jill  Getting electrified on fences.  Dion  As a.  Quinny  Yeah, and and the, the, the.  Jill  Joke ******** your pants in the kitchen. Yeah, yeah.  Quinny  The Raptors were ******* scary because they were smart, yes.  Speaker 7  Jello.  Speaker  Yeah. Give me.  Quinny  That I mean. Come on. There’s a girl.  Dion  This is this is a like Jurassic Park, is it?  Jill  I ohh Dion, did I tell you or did I not tell you that I wanted them to say clever girl in this movie?  Dion  Is it what?  Jill  And it didn’t happen all the.  Dion  Exactly. We’re waiting for regrets. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Especially considering you’ve got a female lead.  Jill  Of all the things.  Speaker  Yeah.  Dion  Like you know, and.  Jill  Yeah, straight female characters. Yeah, that 41 got eaten, but still.  Dion  Yeah, only it’s it’s one of those. It’s one of those things that I was like. Jurassic Park. The first one is great because you take two kids, you terrorise them with an attack and then the first thing that Ian Malcolm. Sorry. No. Ian. Malcolm. Sam. Meals. Thing is, is also scare them is to make them like.  Speaker 7  Oh yeah, with the color and the.  Dion  No, no, not no, no, the the like the electrified fence. I forgot about that. They’ve just gone through gold.  Jill  Yeah, that’s the first moment he met them. He shows them the the talent and he’s like that. Rip your guts. Out like this?  Dion  No, that was the kid. That was a shift head at the archaeological view.  Quinny  Oh no, I’m pretty. The to the little kid as well, really.  Jill  It doesn’t terrified a kid. Oh.  Dion  Yeah. Ohh yeah, yeah. But like also, I love that like it’s traumatic experience. We should terrorise them a little bit more. I’ll play that joke and then they get terrorized again. Like it is about scaring kids. And this one is not about scaring kids. This one is about making. You know who’s scared in this?  Jill  It wasn’t. There wasn’t even jump scare in this I don’t think.  Dion  No.  Quinny  And yet it’s been very popular and made.  Jill  Why? But why? Why?  Quinny  A lot of.  Speaker  Money.  Quinny  That was my question. That’s my question. Why?  Jill  I think it’s all the people with chat. Deputy brain rot.  Quinny  Who would? Just like yay dinosaur fan?  Dion  It’s it’s, it’s it’s a movie. Like it’s a movie from a pitch deck. It’s like, here’s this action scene. Here’s this action scene. Here’s this action scene. Here’s this action scene. Right. Write it all together for some reason and do it also you. Let’s throw in a message there which I think is Gareth Edwards touch like he’s I feel like Gareth, who’s a good director like I don’t, I don’t think his films are bad. He he wanted to tell a message in it, but he had to do it. In such a. Way, which is like corporations are bad and we should like work together with each other and it just feels ham fisted because he’s been handed a bunch of scenes that he has to put in this movie that don’t make ******* sense. Also, yes again, you mentioned that the other thing quinny the magical blow up boat that seems to be the only thing that can stop dinosaur bites. Yeah. Yeah, because they’re 2 rubbery.  Jill  Completely imperceptible to teeth.  Dion  Yeah. Can’t Pierce a a blow up boat.  Quinny  Oh, we’re OK.  Dion  Which is also done in the stupidness.  Quinny  I’d I’d only read about it and I was like, ohh OK. Magical rubber dingy. Cool, yeah.  Speaker  Sticky.  Dion  Magical rubber, sweet, but also dumb. I mean that whole sequence which was specifically design. Mind for just the T Rex attack was not particularly scary, thrilling or interesting. It was just like they’re gonna get away. Everyone and no one dies.  Quinny  Is is the is the T Rex still even remotely scary?  Jill  No, not in comparison to anything else these days.  Speaker  Yeah.  Quinny  Yeah, right. Because when that. When it first shows up in that first film and you know you don’t see it for a while, it eats a goat off screen and you’re. Like oh ****.  Jill  Yeah.  Quinny  And then it finally shows it up. And it’s this ******* magnificently terrifying thing in the dark.  Jill  Yeah.  Quinny  It was incredible, was there.  Jill  Yeah.  Speaker  That.  Jill  The scariest thing, but like since Jurassic World, he’s just been good guy T Rex. He’s like he’s our pet.  Speaker  Yeah.  Quinny  And that is a problem, isn’t it? Like if you’re now a good guy, we can rely on T Rex to always come through for us.  Jill  Yeah. Again, another slow dinosaur. How how are people in a dinghy outgrowing a Tyrannosaurus Rex?  Dion  Yeah. Or is swimming like, how is a river at both times deep enough for a Tyrannosaurus Rex to swim and then?  Quinny  It’s funny.  Speaker 7  But also the stick. It’s like that Godzilla thing where he’s in the ocean. It’s like his legs go all the way.  Dion  But also to stand in.  Quinny  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.  Speaker 7  Down. They can still serve.  Dion  I’ll stand there and go. Oh, no. I’ve been foiled by my one weakness. A small gap in rock.  Quinny  Casper, I think has hit the absolute nail on the head there. Have the solution. We give the Dinos lasers. I also agree that they should have lasers and should have people riding them. I know riders.  Dion  Yeah. Yeah.  Quinny  I mean, it’s not that ******* hard, guys.  Dion  I mean, come on, there are plenty of islands. There’s gotta be some Indigenous tribe there that’s been left with. And also has domesticated them and now is using them to, you know, fight battle. Why not?  Quinny  Yeah, I’m down for that. Yeah.  Dion  Yeah, yeah. I mean the rest of Hollywood is bankrupt, so why not this one? Hi, Amy.  Quinny  I love the fact that they they go into all of the effort of going OK in the previous films. We’ve now set dinosaurs out into the world and the the whole idea of Jurassic World is that yeah, we are now living in a Jurassic.  Dion  It’s the world. Yeah, yeah.  Quinny  World, where there’s dinosaurs and **** like that. And it’s like, yeah, no undo all of that. Take them out of society so that society just doesn’t care about them and we’re going to put them in a small band in the middle of the of the planet.  Dion  Yep, we’ve gone across the world to come all the way back around. No back to islands in the Pacific. Yeah, yeah.  Speaker  Yeah.  Dion  Cool.  Quinny  Is Scarlett your handsome good.  Jill  She’s adequate.  Dion  You know what I gotta say, all the cast is great because, like they, they are trying very hard. Like they’re all likable. I liked. Wait. OK, let me separate this out. All of the cast from the mercenary side. Like the the you get introduced straight away. They’re all actually quite likable, you know. They’re stereotyped out, so you know who’s who to follow. You know, you got the boat, captain. You got the the mercenary. You got the evil creepy guy. Like it’s very aliens. Easy to follow. It’s like predator. I think I explained that one. It’s like. In the first predator film, by the time they’re on the helicopter going out to the mission, you have identified exactly the difference between all of them and how they work. So yeah, it’s a good way to introduce a cast of different people. Same kind of thing here, here’s all the cast and then they. Had. A boat full of family. That you hate. Like all of them are *****, pretty much or. Bless.  Jill  Yeah, they were pointless, they.  Dion  They’re all.  Jill  Were fine, but they were. Pointless.  Dion  Yeah, fine. But they’re pointless. And then they mix them up. And I was like, this is just irritating and the most irritating thing I think I found about it was after they, their boat crashes, they split them up again to the exact same groups. And that is dumb. Like I mean you presented you, you could have at least given half the mercenaries to the family and half the family to the mercenaries.  Speaker  Hmm.  Jill  If you had mixed them up. Then it’s like, OK, how do we now work with what we’ve got to complete the mission that we have to do, but also get you back safely to get?  Dion  Because the family’s just trying to get off the island and the mercenaries just default back to Ohh well, they’re dead. We’ll.  Speaker 7  And leave the island.  Dion  Just go and get the blood we need.  Jill  Yeah. They’re like, oh, maybe they’ll need us at that helipad that we told. Them about who knows.  Dion  Yeah, yeah.  Jill  And then when they do, they’re like.  Quinny  Oh my God, you made it.  Dion  My God, we never thought we’d see you again.  Speaker 8  Yeah, that’s.  Speaker 7  The grey.  Dion  Yeah, yeah, yeah.  Quinny  The Quetzalcoatlus thing, the the big flying one, is there anything called with?  Speaker  What?  Jill  I mean, no, they’re raiding its nest and then it comes back and it eats one of them.  Dion  No.  Speaker  Oh.  Dion  Do you know what was scarier in the previous films?  Jill  Ohh yeah, they’ve wait, but Joe Bailey fell off a Cliff and survived.  Dion  Because everyone survives, you can’t not survive, right? Also getting up the Cliff is hilarious because, like, we have to make it up there by, like, you know, in the next few hours.  Speaker  Yeah.  Dion  And then they’re just. There. Yeah. Like how how no one can climb that fast. You couldn’t even take an escalator. Fast, but like OK, the the the flying dinosaur like that, the terradon that was in the in the second one. No third one in justified. Well, they went to the Avia and they were like, Oh my God, there’s an aviary. That was scary. And then the eating people off the off the, the the resort in Jurassic World that’s also terrifying. In this one it’s just kind. Of like.  Quinny  Ohh Margarita man being picked up. I love that. It was great.  Dion  Yeah, like all of that kind of stuff. That was this one just kind of felt like ohh no, they got their thing for the thing and now they’ve got their thing, OK. Then they disappear. It’s like, great, now bird is gone and then have to.  Speaker  Yeah.  Dion  Worry about bird anymore.  Jill  Yeah. Yeah, they’re. Like, oh, so once we complete that mission, how do we get off the island? And Scarjo says, Ohh well, there’s a helicopter that I prepared earlier. It would be here at dusk on the second day and it will hover for two minutes precisely. So we must be there at the appointed time so we can leave.  Dion  Yes. And then leave.  Quinny  Here’s one I.  Dion  Prepared, yeah, exactly 100%.  Jill  Precisely.  Quinny  Yeah. I’m sorry. Just wanna wanna call out something Karina has just said in the chat that there’s a mystery temple that they never explain.  Jill  So they’re like. Yeah, because they’re on some random ******* island where a lab has been set up. But here’s like this main looking temple. That are, you know, aptly named Quetzal cottis’s nesting in and they’re like, oh, yeah, whatever.  Quinny  Oh no worse. Yeah, just and wave that away. Yep. Yeah, cool.  Dion  Yeah. Yeah, it’s. There’s a lot of hand waving this way. Actually, there’s a fun one. I know that we’re. We haven’t even got to like ratings or spoilers. I don’t really care. I don’t. Want to play the clip anymore?  Speaker 7  We’re kind of really spoiling this whole movie right now, but it’s not a particularly good movie, I’m afraid, guys.  Quinny  Yeah, I’m feeling like I didn’t I.  Dion  Didn’t even want to play the clip of the family. No, I really enjoyed the weird threesome that was. That was the unintended.  Jill  Oh yeah, what? Joe Bailey in the ****. Chair.  Speaker 7  yeah  Dion  When they’ve when they’ve finally come across. Yeah, what are they called? They’re like. Big the big they’re not brontosaurus or whatever. They’re gigantosaurus whatever they’re like. They’re kind of cool, but.  Speaker  Gig gig addon Adam.  Dion  Gigaton.  Quinny  Giga Dong, well done.  Jill  We didn’t get sleep, got no pain, there was no diesel pain. It just kind of made out for a bit. Now see it.  Speaker  We.  Dion  We said we supposedly supposed to get to this really beautiful moment where these two gigantic gigantosaurus are titanosaurs or whatever it is are like mating. And they go like, oh, my God, we’ve stumbled onto this field where all these things are and they’re mating and we need to get that.  Jill  Titanosaurus Higdon this course. Oh my God. Wait, wait. Can I just say they’re in a field with absolutely nothing, and then they turn slightly and here are these big **** *** dinosaurs, and then they turn around just a little bit more. And then there’s like 100 of them.  Speaker  Why?  Speaker 8  It is cold.  Dion  Yeah, I mean it plays. It plays exactly into that thing which has been established in the previous ones. It’s like do not go into the long grass. That’s where the velociraptors hunt. And you go in, they’re walking in there like, oh, great. We’re finally getting to the action edit. And it’s just ******* giant ones. It just happened to be there.  Jill  Yeah, there’s nothing. Ohh, this is fantastic. Ohh wait. Hang on. Ohh, look at that big one.  Speaker 7  Another big one. I’ll be right on top of.  Speaker 8  Us. What the?  Dion  It’s. *******. It’s supposed to. Yeah, it’s supposed.  Jill  Thing.  Speaker 7  Wait, what? There’s a hundred more over there? Yeah.  Dion  It’s supposed to be this really beautiful moment for Jonathan Bailey’s character as the paleontologist to go, Oh my God, I’m watching this happen in real life and I can see this, and he gets too close to them and touches them. But it is just the fact that there are these two titanosaurus and they just curl like twist sort of twist their necks like ******* snakes. They just do that.  Jill  Yes, they’re just making it out. They’re making.  Quinny  Out they’re making.  Dion  And he’s and. And he’s putting his hand on it. And I’m like, that is the worst part of the reason right there. There is the awkward guy just trying. To get involved. Well, these two are like, what are you doing?  Speaker 7  Getting in the middle of the.  Jill  Well, just I’m just gonna get scratching here. Oh, no. OK.  Dion  Yeah, yeah, yeah. So do I just do an intro or just leave my hand here? Meanwhile, the dinosaur kind of looks down and goes. What are? You doing yes.  Speaker 7  Like is this working for you?  Dion  Stop looking at me.  Quinny  So he’s in the Cockfield exactly.  Dion  Yeah. And then Sky Joe shoots it with a dart for blood for blood and that kind of thing. And that’s how you go.  Jill  And then they’re like. 2 down, one to go.  Dion  I also love how they celebrate every time they get a vial they have they have a they’re like a, a a briefcase full of like, which has space for three vials of blood that that they kind of are using as the as the the progress meter for the game that is this movie. And they all get really excited about harvesting this blood and it’s. Like. You know that you’re the bad guys, right? You’re the bad people. You’re like in Jen from the second movie. You.  Quinny  Know. So is there a point where like and and this is me not having seen it. OK, thank you. Is is there a moment where the the the obviously not great.  Jill  There’s no point.  Speaker 1  There is no point.  Quinny  And the guy at the start turns on them. And of course, OK, just I just just checking. Of course he’s.  Speaker 7  Ohh yes, very early. Very early in the movie.  Dion  He’s established as a complete **** **** the very start, like when.  Quinny  He kind of books them just like that.  Dion  When they’re in, when they’re in the the the water. But like, you know, and then of course he finds.  Speaker 7  Yeah, they’re like.  Jill  No, you’re not a good dude. But we’re just gonna. Look over here.  Dion  Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But we you have money and we do that. And then eventually, of course, he makes.  Jill  Until the moment when they’re like. I think we can get rid of this. Guy, if we just do nothing.  Dion  Yeah. Yeah. And then you’re. You’re right, Kenny. He he does. Carter Burke himself. He he tries to escape him. Leave them all for dead while he tries to get away. And that’s the Carter Burke, you know, right. Not even a satisfying death for him. Just a boring death.  Jill  Yeah. It’s not getting eaten on a toilet.  Speaker  Yeah.  Dion  That’s for sure. No, it is not. And anyway, they all get out and they live happily ever after in only to time to come back now and.  Jill  And we never find out what they did with the.  Quinny  Samples. Ohh really. Nope.  Dion  They kind of say what they plan on doing.  Speaker 7  Jay, just leave the island and that’s it.  Dion  But they don’t say what. There’s no post thing that’s kind of like M we should agree to do this. Yeah, maybe end of film. Ohh alright.  Speaker 7  Yeah.  Dion  Sure.  Quinny  Should we have a clip? And then do our ratings? Do you want to do it the? Other way around I don’t get. I didn’t wanna I. Speaker 7  Whatever works.  Dion  Don’t even wanna play the clip. It’s so dull.  Quinny  Oh.  Dion  Because it’s just the family.  Quinny  Oh, OK.  Dion  No, **** it. I’ll just play the.  Quinny  Clip and the the clip I want to I. On. Want to? I want to see the clip.  Speaker 7  What happened, Dad, where is?  Speaker  He I don’t. Know.  Speaker 8  I’ll go back down. I’ll keep looking.  Speaker 2  Speaker 8  Right.  Speaker 2  What?  Speaker 3  Come on, come on, come on.  Speaker 7  Are you?  Dion  Ohh thank God they all live and no one dies and there are no consequences for anyone in this whatsoever.  Jill  Yeah.  Dion  Yeah, yeah, yes, I know. Karina. How was he? Out. Swim. The mosa saw. We don’t answer these questions. We just watched the films.  Jill  How were they able to outrun a Tyrannosaurus? How was Kincaid able to outrun the? Montessori’s.  Dion  Rex, why was the mosasaur in the open ocean? Also hunting slash, swimming around with the the with the.  Jill  Spinosaurus that we’re in. The middle of nowhere.  Dion  In the middle of nowhere and those just, they just disappear.  Jill  In the middle of nowhere, an amphibious dinosaur was in the middle of the Atlantic helping a mosasaur hunt. Yep. And then where did it go?  Speaker  Yes.  Dion  They just ****** off. We don’t know. Why?  Jill  Where did it go?  Dion  And then, sorry and then?  Jill  We’re doing spoilers right now, yeah.  Dion  And then and then wait.  Quinny  Right and pretty, Kanga says I have to ask is?  Jill  It really called the Montessori. No, it’s just a really monted looking dinosaur.  Dion  No, we just call it the Montessori. Exactly.  Quinny  Like Distorters Rex, but let’s go with yeah, yeah.  Dion  That’s what we say, like, not Billy and the connoisseurs, Billy and the Montours. The the other thing is that that mosasaur like knocks the boat over that they’re on because it’s it’s whatever, ******* territorial. Who cares. And then right after that. Scene where it kind of just misses the guy getting on the boat. Then it just goes. No, pull it. Now go **** ***. Yeah, and it just ***** off like.  Jill  Yeah.  Dion  But it wouldn’t. What? Why? You know.  Jill  This was the stuff that was missing. If they had completely trashed the boat and eaten the family. Would have loved it.  Dion  Fine. Yeah, it could have just been nameless family gone because also as they said it, it just ***** off and then they pick the people up and then the Moses source decides actually, no, the the other boat, that’s the power boat full of mercenaries. That’s the one I’m going to buck up and run aground onto the island. You’re like, wait, it it it could easily funked up a a A. Sailboat, but it knew it had stuff on, and yet it decided to take on the heavily armoured boat.  Jill  Catamaran.  Speaker  Yeah.  Dion  No good reason.  Quinny  I’m in one of the artworks for this that that like also just want to put it out there the the the art, the thing that first indicated to me that perhaps this movie was a bit **** is that all of the posters and everything that I could find looked like the worst *******.  Speaker  Yes.  Quinny  Photoshop jobs that I’ve ever seen. Like it, it’s pictures of like clearly CGI body with its gullet. Your Hansen’s face just kind of pasted onto it halfway up a Cliff or something like that. Not footage, not shots, anything like that. And there is a design in one of them that I went. The **** is that? It has a beaky kind of face, but it looks a bit like a Raptor.  Jill  Yeah, that’s the new kitchen. Dinosaur. Except we’re doing it in a convenience store, but it’s the exact same secret.  Dion  Yeah, yeah, yeah, the the convenient. The convenient dinosaur.  Jill  Yeah, that’s the Pokémon looking one.  Dion  Yeah, that’s the.  Quinny  Right.  Dion  One is like if you took a. Pelican and you took all the feathers off it. Yeah, kind of.  Jill  Thing it’s a little bit flying. It’s a little bit water tight, but.  Dion  It it’s I I called it the goiter dinosaur because it’s got the big kind of flopped up neck that it kind of does, but it’s just it’s just dull.  Speaker  Yeah.  Dion  Right. It does. Yeah, it has no problem. Like there’s there’s no real reason to do it.  Quinny  Dion  It was just there to be like, oh, this is scarier than a Raptor is like, is it because it’s not? You could have just had a Raptor.  Quinny  Right. OK.  Dion  You could have you could you could have made a Raptor with the plates of a stegosaurus. Or imagine you’re a Raptor with the the the horns with horns like you could have done. Yeah. Yeah, you’re ******* with genetics and stuff too. That ****. Make a Raptor with horns so it could impale people.  Quinny  Like a tricera wrapped. Yeah, or.  Dion  That would be ******* scary.  Quinny  Or what?  Jill  How come when I’m trying to think of that that one?  Quinny  Looked like and I get an anklyosaurus. What? What’s the ones that the the head butting ones they? Ankles, horses or.  Jill  No, that’s the. The.  Dion  I think it’s a goto asaurus.  Quinny  I’ll wait for you.  Jill  Was in the last one. He was in Dominion. I can’t remember.  Quinny  Yeah, yeah, I I know. Karina will be able to say Pachycephalosaurus. Yeah, yeah. You know, get a *****. But give that, like, a crown of thorns of of horns or something like that, you know, go for something really ******* out there and mutant and weird. And I’ll be like, OK.  Speaker  Hey.  Speaker 7  Sure.  Quinny  Cool. It sounds like we’re not not weird enough.  Dion  Yeah, I I feel like they’re like, oh, we’re going to do the island of meat and dinosaurs. It’s like, cool. So we don’t really have models that we can do that with because they cost more money. So where do you want to focus on? Is that do we have to keep the other cast of the family with the boat in? Right? It’s like, no, can we get rid of them? No, they have to stay. No, weird dinosaurs. Just use the dinosaurs you already got. It’s it’s a. It’s a bit, yeah. It’s weird, right? So ratings.  Quinny  Yeah, I was gonna say drop some numbers at me like and and if you’ve seen it in the chat, which I know Karina has. You know, drop some of that with with a number after it, so I know what’s gone on.  Dion  25-O Jesus just ******.  Speaker  Wow.  Dion  It’s it’s annoying on both sides. It it? It neuters the dinosaurs and their effectiveness and their scariness, and it also neuters the really good cast you had. And the smart things you could have done and the director, I feel. I feel like everyone kind of. Got. Castrated by this, for whatever reason, I don’t understand why I didn’t like it that much, and I would probably no, I can’t really defend. I’m thinkin

At DoorGrow, we love showing off the awesome entrepreneurial people we get to coach and work with every day. In today's episode, property management growth experts Jason and Sarah Hull sit down with DoorGrow clients Jill Lyons and Alex Platt to talk about their journey in property management and with DoorGrow. You'll Learn [03:00] Starting a journey with coaching [07:26] Finding support as an entrepreneur [12:18] The path to success is hard work [16:54] Getting out of the business [19:28] The importance of good company culture [21:20] The impact of coaching Tweetables “Done is better than perfect.” “The more valuable you are to your business, the less valuable your business is.” “If you don't mind working, you don't set up boundaries.” “Just being open to the thought and the idea is enough to make it work.” Resources DoorGrow and Scale Mastermind DoorGrow Academy DoorGrow on YouTube DoorGrowClub DoorGrowLive TalkRoute Referral Link Transcript [00:00:00] Jason: The more valuable you are to your business, the less valuable your business is. Ooh, like that one.  [00:00:07] Welcome DoorGrow property managers to the #DoorGrowShow. If you are a property management entrepreneur that wants to add doors, make a difference, increase revenue, help others, impact lives, and you're interested in growing in business and life, and you're open to doing things a bit differently, then you are a DoorGrow property manager. DoorGrow property managers love the opportunities, daily variety, unique challenges, and freedom that property management brings. Many in real estate think you're crazy for doing it. You think they're crazy for not because you realize that property management is the ultimate, high trust gateway to real estate deals, relationships, and residual income. [00:00:47] At DoorGrow, we are on a mission to transform property management business owners and their businesses. We want to transform the industry, eliminate the BS, build awareness, change perception, expand the market, and help the best property management entrepreneurs win I'm your host, property management, growth expert Jason Hull, the founder and CEO of DoorGrow along with Sarah Hull, co owner and COO of DoorGrow. Now let's get into the show. [00:01:13] Our guests today... we've got Jill and Alex. Jill Lyons. Alex, what's your last name? Platt. Okay. I just know he's always with Jill, Alex. So we're really glad to have you on the show. And the topic of today's episode is like, we want to talk about your journey with DoorGrow because you've been with us for a little bit. So, why don't you introduce yourself and explain like kind of how you got into property management.  [00:01:39] Jill: Well, I must've taken an insane pill along the way, but I like it. My name is Jill Lyons and I own and I'm broker of Relaxed Realty Group in Sarasota, Florida. Currently we manage about 500 homes. We have like maybe 520 now and our rent roll, we just surpassed 800,000 this month, so I'm stoked and happy and proud. And you know, I love the business. There's never a day that's not that I feel like, "Oh my gosh, it's, you know, Monday." I never feel like that. So it's every day is a joy. Not every instant is a joy, but every day is a joy.  [00:02:12] Jason: So let's Alex, why don't you introduce yourself and tell us what is your role?  [00:02:17] Alex: So, my name is Alex and I've worked with Jill here just over a year and a half, or going on almost two years when I got my real estate license. My wife started with Jill, Miranda, and she's been with Jill for what, 10 years now? Started with a business with her and I do the operations here. So operations and BDM.  [00:02:38] Jason: Awesome. Okay, cool.  [00:02:41] Jill: So he came from a customer service background with T Mobile for the last 10 years. It's great. Corporate's a great, but there's a lot more opportunity here and oh my God, he's great with people. Of course He's not " to brag about himself. So I'll brag about him. So he will put on multiple hats and do everything that whatever needs to be done.  [00:03:00] Jason: Cool. Yeah, you guys make a good team. We've enjoyed having you in the program. So why don't we start with what problem problems were you dealing with when you first came to DoorGrow? Like what challenges were going on?  [00:03:14] Jill: So I would say my strengths are that I love to sell and talk to people and help people. So, you know, that was naturally there and I grew the business with success with growing doors. And I was in a kind of a comfortable, I would say position as. Having a good amount of owners and properties, but I want to start exiting the business and it was just way too 'me centered,' you know, what do we do? What do we do with people coming to me? You know, I don't mind working. Like I say, so unfortunately, if you don't mind working, you don't set up boundaries, you don't set up corporate structures. My flow, there was nothing corporate about me. [00:03:49] If I wanted to step away, which I did this year, hired the operations manager, but I'm like, now what? And now what do you do? I'm an engineer by education. All I know how to do is build a spreadsheet and show people returns. So I was looking for ...I always believed in coaches. I've been coached since day one of my business. [00:04:07] So coaching is definitely something I believe in, but the coaching company I used was really just real estate working with buyers and sellers. So I hadn't ever got the property management business aspect of it and setting up the business and the structure. So when you watched one of your podcasts and listened to your podcast, and I liked what you had to say, so I-- "let's let them get us to that next level." [00:04:32] Jason: Watch the podcast, listen to the podcast, and now you're on the podcast.  [00:04:36] Jill: I know, I'm like, what do I have to offer? That's the first thing, I'm still listening and learning.  [00:04:42] Jason: You know, there's a lot of people listening out there that would dream of having 520 doors, having an amazing operator, having the operations running smoothly and being on your journey, stepping out of the business, like this, that's a dream for a lot of property managers. [00:04:58] They're still in the thick of the mud and wondering if there's a light at the end of the tunnel.  [00:05:03] Jill: So they don't believe that I'm going to step out.  [00:05:05] Alex: She's a workaholic. So, you know, it's a little bit of yin and yang.  [00:05:09] Jason: You know, entrepreneurs, it's a tough thing. I've known a few entrepreneurs that have like exited their business and then they were bored and they started another business. It happens. So entrepreneurs, we want to stay busy and we want to do the things we really enjoy doing. So you just have to find something you maybe enjoy doing more.  [00:05:29] Jill: I don't know. Yeah, no, I'm not closed to what's next, but I don't know. I'm still here.  [00:05:35] Jason: So let's chat about, and maybe this is a question for Alex. So Alex what did you see when you first came into the business? Some of the challenges in how to like support Jill and how to get her out of the operational stuff. And what challenges did you see that DoorGrow so far been able to help with?  [00:05:54] Alex: So luckily with your program we got to revamp everything. I mean, your Rapid Revamp was amazing. I mean, we got to go from rebuilding and rebranding our logo and everything. So I really enjoyed your class, especially with the whole cycle of suck, making sure that you're not holding onto those owners that are sucking up all your time and, you know, using. A lot of your resource when it comes down to it. I would say those were the biggest things and especially your systems that you have. I mean, I think the Flow is going to help a lot for us to map out each and every one of our procedures that we have on an operational standpoint.  [00:06:33] Jason: Okay. So for those listening, DoorGrow Flow, our process software, which is pretty cool. So the Rapid Revamp, I mean, and you guys made a lot of changes. Yes. Changed your pricing.  [00:06:43] Alex: We changed our name.  [00:06:44] Jill: You changed the name. I said I would never, ever do that!  [00:06:49] Sarah: She's like " I'm not rebranding." I'm like, "okay, we don't have to rebrand." And then she's like, "I think I'm going to rebrand." I was like, "wow! All right, let's do it."  [00:06:58] Jason: Everybody says they don't want to do it. But what I love about entrepreneurs is that if you show them how to make more money, they're pretty okay with it. They're pretty okay with making more money. So, and I think the training, we do a good job in converting people into wanting to make more money. "Here's how it'll make you more money if you do the right things with your branding." So website. Did we help with that?  [00:07:23] Alex: We're almost there. We're on the tail end of that portion of it.  [00:07:26] Jason: So for those that have not been exposed to DoorGrow. Maybe they're just listening to this podcast. They're like, "I don't know if these guys are legit. Kind of looks like some sort of one of these Influencer sort of guys," or I don't know what people think before they become a client but what would you say to those that are on the other side of the paywall and maybe struggling?  [00:07:51] Jill: For me, honestly, if I would have found this 10 years ago, it would have happened faster, my growth and where I am now would have happened faster and more organized. I kind of wing it and I'm the type that, you know, I don't want to spend any money unless a bunch of sitting in the bank. And I probably, if I would have opened up the bank and gotten the coaching and the programs from a property management company versus just from, you know, where I got my assistance from, which I had when I did buying and selling, which I hate it. So I kind of kept my things rather than going into property management coaching and training. It would have definitely made it faster and less painful, and I would say that's the biggest thing that I wish I would have found you sooner, but you know, you always find people when you're supposed to find them and entrepreneurs tend not to be, in my opinion, people that go to business school because they just want to do it. They jump in head first. There's no rhyme or reason to how we do it. So the organization is usually where we struggle the most. And just networking and having the beginning, I just went to Google and figured everything out on my own, rather than reaching out to an organization like yours, that's more specific for us and NARPM, which, you know connected me to other property managers and how are they doing it? And why did I have to create the wheel and do it all my way? I didn't even know that there was anything like this.  [00:09:16] Jason: Yeah. And you had been in NARPM for a while before joining DoorGrow.  [00:09:20] Jill: Yeah. I'm heavily involved in NARPM. I'm the president of our local chapter. So that definitely has made helped my business, and the connection and they have a lot of tools that have helped me significantly realize that it is a business and with systems. But but there isn't the sales support, you know, they don't have you, Jason. It's not energetic and make me go, "yes! I'm going to do it!" With you and with everybody around! You know, it's just like the connections.  [00:09:48] Jason: Yeah. I know you have both really enjoyed the operational pieces as well, and you've attended quite a few of our scale calls on Friday that Sarah runs. What what things have you taken away from on the operational side of things? [00:10:04] Jill: So what would you say, because you deal with that more? I kind of say, go do it.  [00:10:07] Alex: So, I take a lot of the way, honestly, you guys definitely on those calls go over a lot of different systems that are in other people's companies, to be honest. And we try to take piece by piece and just kind of make it our own when it comes to this. I think it's developing more of the systems that we have. As far as like a specific system, I think we talked about maintenance heavily. And the processes over how other companies do it and what we do with our maintenance. So it's kind of getting every pieces of everybody's input on that stuff to kind of lay out what maybe we should change, you know? [00:10:45] Jill: I will say that as far as operational, we were in pretty good shape with that. It's not technicalogical. So you have DoorGrow flow. I'm just talking with Errol tomorrow. So it's been on my list of things to do this whole year to set up flow and get that going so that it's more clear how we do things because when we have a new employee, I can't just hand them, "these are our thing," we have to manually tell them or give them a checklist, which doesn't really help. So, I have to hire Errol cause it stays on my list every single month and it hasn't been done. That's what I'm going to pass the buck on versus the website. I'd like to do the marketing. So we need to finish all of this by the end of the year. That's on our list. Does it check the list? We're at the last, getting to the last quarter. So you give us the tools. It's just setting it up. That takes a lot of time and concentration time. And Errol seemed to be I met him at DoorGrow live, you know, in Texas. And yeah, he was talking about processes and creating them. Like I talked about property management, so he's going to be our guy. I'll see how it goes.  [00:11:47] Alex: We have a lot in our heads, obviously. So, that's getting it all down to where if somebody needs to know something, it's much easier.  [00:11:56] Jason: Yeah we're planning on doing some more stuff with Errol Allen, who Jill's speaking with, and he's currently playing around with our DoorGrow flow software and testing it out as well. [00:12:05] So I think it's going to be a game changer for the market. So Sarah's had a lot of interaction, I think, with the two of you. What's been your perception of why they do so well as clients?  [00:12:18] Sarah: Oh, well, so there's a few things that I'd like to kind of. Point out and give you guys like major kudos on. First is, I think you're just open. Sometimes we have people who are very resistant. They're like, " that won't work," and "I'm not going to do it like this," and "I can't do this," and "that's not in my market," right? And I think the difference is just being open to the thought and the idea is enough to make it work because if you go into something and you think, "oh, this won't work," well, you're probably right. Then it's not going to work. But you guys are very open and you also, I love this about you guys, you take action. You just come in and you're like, "this is what we're going to do," and then you take action, you implement and you get it done. I think, to date, they are the fastest people who have completed everything in the Rapid Revamp. Like, they get a medal for that. Like, every time, they're like, "yep, we're done with this," I'm like, "oh, wow, okay!" They just get it done. It's like they just put their heads down. They know what they need to do. They put in the work and they get it done and then they go, "okay, great, we did that. What do we need now? Like what's the next thing that we can do to either like build on top of that or like take us to the next level? And I think you guys are really great at that. And I think you, you work very well together. You know, you balance each other out. You like ping well back and forth, back together, and I think that gives you the ability to move things along so quickly.  [00:13:44] Alex: It's great to have ideas that we can bounce off of each other and make it a solid process and get it out of the way and move on to the next one.  [00:13:52] Jill: Well, and I love a checklist. So you have a checklist. I want to see checks on there. I don't want to see them open. So I think that myself, I can be more reactionary property management. Our phone is always ringing. Things are always happening. You know, I can easily not get anything accomplished in a day and be busy the whole day. So with the Rapid Revamp it has me be on track along with handling the things that come on you know all day but I have to get my things done  [00:14:18] Alex: And the nice thing about your dashboard was the fact that you could assign things, we would take them and split them up and be like, "okay, you're going to do these and they're assigned to you" and then I could assign ones to me so we can you know, handle what we needed to.  [00:14:30] Jason: Cool. [00:14:31] Sarah: Yeah. Yeah. I think that was really awesome just to see you guys because every time I check in with you, you're like, "Oh, yeah, we're done with that already." Like, okay, let's see what's the next thing for you guys? And you already knew! You were never like, "Hey, I don't know what I'm supposed to be doing. Like, you just like stayed the course. And sometimes it's hard for entrepreneurs to do because there's so many shiny objects. There's so many of them, right? Like, "Hey, I'm coming in, I'm doing this one thing and that's it," and then along the way, there's like some other little thing that's like, "Hey, I need your attention." [00:15:04] And it's so tempting to go, "Ooh, but I could focus on that." Like, " let me just go over here for a second," and like, you guys just stayed the course. You like stay on point. And I think that's that's something I really have to give you guys like a huge compliment on because it's hard to do that. It's really difficult to do that. And you guys do it really well.  [00:15:25] Jill: Thank you.  [00:15:26] Jason: Yeah. And so you've interacted with several of our team members, right? It's not just the Jason show or the Jason and Sarah show. And I think that's what a lot of people think. Could you just comment a little bit on DoorGrow's team? You don't have to remember everybody's names, but yeah.  [00:15:43] Jill: Well the two that I've probably enjoyed the most is Clint. He's like the coolest surfer dude in the whole wide world, but he's sharp as a tack. You know, "we're just going to buy a $5 million company." He's the exact person to teach you how to be cool and do acquisitions and whatnot. [00:16:03] And that you can see why he's so successful because he's a joy to listen to.  [00:16:07] Jason: Yeah, he's fun.  [00:16:08] Jill: And ironically considering an acquisition in the middle of all listening to him and he took his time out, sent me a lot of information and questions I should ask and what due diligence I should do. So, I mean, his wealth of all the years that he's done that, enticed in a few documents was, I could have never created that. And then Roya, she's a ball of energy and I'm all into manifesting and all that. So, I mean, not many people you can feel through a computer screen with their energy, you know, that's heard of talent that she has.  [00:16:43] Jason: Yeah, she's our dangerously powerful mindset coach. And teaches the advanced sales stuff. [00:16:51] She's yeah she's had quite an impact. Yeah.  [00:16:54] Jill: Yeah. For sure.  [00:16:56] I went to DoorGrow live, which was fantastic to connect with everybody. But thanks to DoorGrow and Alex being also trained as a DoorGrow. I'm taking my first three week vacation in 10 years.  [00:17:08] Jason: That's amazing. That's awesome. Yeah. Yeah. That's awesome. Your business will be in good hands with Alex and and we've got his back. So. For sure. So awesome. Yep. Property managers, if you're listening to this and you have not taken a significant vacation in the last five years, when's your turn? Maybe it's time to reach out and let us help you take- this is one of the most common things that we hear, especially this summer. [00:17:36] Lots of our clients are taking vacations like for the first time ever, or in the first time in a long time, or it's a longer vacation than they've been able to take.  [00:17:45] Sarah: Brandon and Mark, they took off the majority of July, both of them, took off the majority of July, and they're like, "things were fine, like things were okay," I'm like, "that's great, that's how it should work," and if we set it up that way, then things can work that way.  [00:18:01] Jason: For sure. Yeah, one of our mentors had this quote, I don't know where it came from, but he said, the more valuable you are to your business, the less valuable your business is. Ooh, like that one. So Jill's working on making herself less valuable to the business. I've made DoorGrow less of the Jason show, and we've got all these amazing coaches and yeah, and that's the goal, right? We're able to provide more value and it allows us to be more free as entrepreneurs. To do the things that we really enjoy doing and eventually maybe to do nothing. If that's really the goal. I don't know. Jill, will have to find something to do. She's going to trap the world. She'll think we're not going to do nothing. Exactly. We're not going to do nothing. I don't think Jill knows what to do.  [00:18:43] Jill: We just want freedom to not always to be working.  [00:18:46] Jason: There you go. Yeah.  [00:18:48] Sarah: You can choose the things you do.  [00:18:50] Jill: Yeah.  [00:18:51] Jason: Well, we've really appreciated having you both in the program. You know, the, Sarah mentioned about you, but what I've noticed is Jill, you have this gift of positivity, it seems to rub off on everyone around you. We've really enjoyed having you in the program. Everyone's like, "Oh, we love Jill." All of our coaches and team members love Jill. And you can see Alex has like got a positive, you know, energy going on as well. And so you've created a really good culture on your team and in your business. And I don't know if it's always been that way, but I know that's something that's important to us at DoorGrow is making sure everybody has good culture with their business and with their team. So can you touch on culture just a little bit? [00:19:30] Jill: Well, I think connection and culture is the most important thing. If I don't have it here, how is a client going to want to be attracted to us? You know, how is that going to work? You know, if you don't have a positive look on the industry, the business... I mean, this is anybody that calls us is frustrated with property management and say, "here, we love to do property management." They're like, "I need you!" [00:19:51] you know, tenants and everybody gets to complain to us and we have to listen to them and, you know, do our job, but in these walls of this company, we don't have to do that. We can vent to each other. We can laugh. We don't complain. We more laugh about situations than we do complain. And I think I've been a good leader as far as that goes. But I think that also because I have that energy, I want to attract that energy. And so those people are, who are working here and stay.  [00:20:18] Jason: I love that. I mean, I think having a culture in which complaining is not the norm. I mean, it's easy to complain in property management. Right? And I'm sure there's a lot of you listening that are like, " I complain all the time. I complain every day," like reducing that complaining in the business and creating a culture where the team don't see that it's totally okay to just complain all the time. Because if you're complaining about your clients, they're going to feel that. They're not going to want to work with somebody that's, they know is just going to be complaining about them behind their back. [00:20:47] And so I think that's really powerful. And I think that there's a lot of joking in property management, and I think if you can't laugh about it, then you're just going to be hurt by it, and so...  [00:20:58] Jill: and the only way you make a lot of money is to do the things that nobody wants to do. [00:21:02] Jason: There you go. And they will pay you a pretty penny to do it. [00:21:05] Alex: Yeah, we don't have one person that dreads coming to work every day. That's for sure. Everybody's like, "oh shoot. It's monday. Let's go!"  [00:21:11] Jill: We're a little family.  [00:21:13] Jason: Awesome. Yeah, I love that. You have a good culture. So, cool well, anything else we should chat about? What are the biggest takeaways you feel like you've gotten from being part of working with DoorGrow for those listening? [00:21:28] Jill: I think first of all to make sure that I express my purpose to everybody, you know, start with the person.  [00:21:34] Jason: Has that changed your close rate? Has that changed how clients respond to you?  [00:21:39] Jill: Oh, just overall being brave enough to start with that, you know, I always assume they don't care, you know they're not calling for my me personally, but they are, you know, and some would get to know me on a personal level over time, but I never started the conversation with that. [00:21:54] I always started it with "I love property management" and I think they could feel our energy, but not deep down what my life purpose is. So, and how I could tie that back into having them become our client. But it gets a personal, it makes it a personal fit right away or not.  [00:22:11] Jason: Yeah. They either trust your motives and like them or they don't, but they, at least they know what your motives are. Otherwise they're just going to assume you just want their money.  [00:22:20] Jill: Yeah. The name change was a huge one. And then the third, I think final one for me is. When you did your stack deck and it wasn't like perfectly animated with all these designs and it looked great. And I'm fine with it. I stopped judging my marketing to have to be the caliber of Coca Cola. [00:22:40] I don't have designers out there. I don't want to spend design. So just produce it and get it out there and make it look kind of quirky and we're quirky anyway. So I don't know why I was thinking that we had to be this high level, corporate marketing program in order for it to work.  [00:22:54] Jason: I think done is better than perfect for sure. [00:22:57] That's one of my  [00:22:57] Alex: favorite things is like, no, just get it complete and then we'll move on and we'll get the next thing done.  [00:23:03] Jason: Yeah. Done makes money. And you've made a lot of changes. You've gotten a lot of things done that are going to help shore up leaks that make you a lot more money. And. Yeah. A lot of people get really caught up on things being so perfect. [00:23:14] They don't get as nearly as much done. So kudos to both of you for implementing and taking action. So, well, we appreciate you coming and hanging out with us here on the show. What do you feel like, what are some tangible results besides the brand? Revenue doors, any other shifts that you've seen in the business since joining? [00:23:33] Jill: Well, we've gotten rid of a lot of the properties. I had the guts to say to a couple owners, you know, "You have to either sell this property or find another manager because it's too much of a liability. And I'm scared to because X Y Z and so should you." And obviously it's a great time to sell last year. So this is the time get to get a better asset, 1031 exchange it, or let's you know, we need to drop it by the end of the year. I didn't, you know, say we're going to drop you on 30 days, but they, most of them, most of those as a consulting, they trust us and know us and they sold those properties. We have two that are closing this week, our last two that are closing and we had problems. Yeah, problems. So we've gotten rid of a lot of problems since the beginning and liability issues, you know, you know, liabilities. So that's that's, I think our biggest deal and it's allowed other doors to come in. [00:24:28] It's amazing what you let go just energetically things will fill its place. So door wise, I would say we're at about the same, but revenue has gone up 20%.  [00:24:38] Alex: We've been getting higher-end properties instead of, you know, things that were D class properties that we didn't want.  [00:24:44] Jason: Love it. 20 percent more revenue. Awesome, that does not suck.  [00:24:48] Sarah: And getting rid of the problem, right?  [00:24:55] Jason: Well, we appreciate you being clients and we're super excited to see your progression through the DoorGrow code, and this business I think that could easily be at a thousand doors in the next two to three years. It's totally doable, especially if you start doing some of the acquisition deals, like it's going to be really interesting once you get some of these systems in place, then you're ready to just scale like crazy. So excited to see what you do. All right. Well then we'll go ahead and wrap up. Appreciate you being on the show. [00:25:25] Thanks for hanging out with us, Alex and Jill. Thank you. Great.  [00:25:29] For those listening, if you want to be like Alex and Jill and make good decisions and grow your business in a healthy way, and maybe increase your revenue 20%. aNd clean up your portfolio and optimize your sales pipeline so you make more money, more easily reach out to DoorGrow. [00:25:45] We would love to take a look at your business and see if we can help you. The answer is: we can... most likely and see if you'd be a good fit for our program. You can check us out at doorgrow. com. There's a big pink button on the home page says "I want to grow." click that. 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Creative Deal Structuring (1521) Transcript: Jack Butala: Steve and Jill here. Jill: Hello. Jack Butala: Welcome to the Land Academy Show, entertaining land investment talk. I'm Steven Jack Butala. Jill: And I'm Jill DeWitt coming to you from the job site in Paradise Valley, Arizona. Jack Butala: If you're watching this, not listening to us, we're starting to take delivery on all kinds of stuff that's happening to this rehab house that we're in. Jill: Yes, you're going to be watching mounds of Hickory, real wood flooring show up over my shoulder here in just a minute. Jack Butala: Today, Jill and I talk about creative deal structuring. One of my favorite topics. Before we get into it, though, let's take a question posted by one of our members on the landinvestors.com online community it's free. And if you're already a Land Academy member, join us on Discord. Jill: Anne Marie wrote, general newbie question here. "I've been a member now for about seven weeks and I've spent many hours studying Land Academy, Land Investors, Discord, et cetera. I love hearing get the mail out from Steve and Jill. I've chosen my counties and have scraped the data of for sale and sold properties on Land & Farm, Zillow and Redfin. Is it naive of me to think I can get ahold of a good price per acre." Jack Butala: Price per acre. Jill: Familiar with that code. Thank you very much, sir. Jack Butala: How are you familiar with that though? Jill: That's awesome. Jack Butala: BFF. Jill: Are you familiar with some of the hand gestures I'm about to hold up? Jack Butala: Pretty familiar with OMG. Jill: Pretty sure. Yeah. All right. Are you familiar with BTW? Jack Butala: By the way? Jill: Oh, you are. Good, good. Wasn't sure. Jack Butala: Gosh. [crosstalk 00:01:49]. Jill: Oh, my gosh. Anyway, "Is it naive of me to think I can get a good price breaker comp to price my first mailer? I've averaged out the price breaker on all three platforms and have a good average. Is it unreasonable to price it for 20% of the average value? Please confirm it is better to be under than overpriced." Oh, heck yeah. Jill: Unlike our... What's that? Jack Butala: I don't know. Jill: I don't know What that is. Jack Butala: Unlike our choices where. Jill: Overdressed is better than underdressed. Got it. "I know the market very well. People are flocking towards these areas. There are few more properties sold than compared to list it." Jill: This is all great stuff. Jill: "I'm not sure how to check the wholesale for wholesale competition, but my state is X. I don't see a lot of the Thursday will you do this deals properties in this area? I'd love to know how to check that though, and I'd be more comfortable in negotiating up." Jill: Okay. Can we tackle these a little bit at a time? Jack Butala: You please answer all the questions you want. I'm going to answer the question about, "Is it reasonable?" Jill: Well, good. Jack Butala: "At 40%" Jill: You start with that one. I'll do the other stuff. Jack Butala: Is it unreasonable to price it for 20% of this average value question mark. There is no way, this question comes up all the time. The question is this, "I have a great price per acre. It's $1,500. I'm real confident in my data that in this zip code for properties that are between one and five acres, they've been listed and sold for an average of $1,500." Jack Butala: So it's real easy to get to that point. If you're new, it's time consuming, but it's not that hard. Then the question becomes, "How should I price my mailer? Should I price it at 20% of $1,500 an acre? 35%, 40%, 50% am I going to ruin my mailer at 20%? Am I going to ruin my mailer at 70%?" These are the questions that go through a new person's head, rightfully so. So they seek out an answer. I'm not saying anything negative against Ann-Marie here at all. I'm just using this as an example, because this is probably 50% of the new people that gets to the point where the sending a mailer out,...

Creative Deal Structuring (1521) Transcript: Jack Butala: Steve and Jill here. Jill: Hello. Jack Butala: Welcome to the Land Academy Show, entertaining land investment talk. I'm Steven Jack Butala. Jill: And I'm Jill DeWitt coming to you from the job site in Paradise Valley, Arizona. Jack Butala: If you're watching this, not listening to us, we're starting to take delivery on all kinds of stuff that's happening to this rehab house that we're in. Jill: Yes, you're going to be watching mounds of Hickory, real wood flooring show up over my shoulder here in just a minute. Jack Butala: Today, Jill and I talk about creative deal structuring. One of my favorite topics. Before we get into it, though, let's take a question posted by one of our members on the landinvestors.com online community it's free. And if you're already a Land Academy member, join us on Discord. Jill: Anne Marie wrote, general newbie question here. "I've been a member now for about seven weeks and I've spent many hours studying Land Academy, Land Investors, Discord, et cetera. I love hearing get the mail out from Steve and Jill. I've chosen my counties and have scraped the data of for sale and sold properties on Land & Farm, Zillow and Redfin. Is it naive of me to think I can get ahold of a good price per acre." Jack Butala: Price per acre. Jill: Familiar with that code. Thank you very much, sir. Jack Butala: How are you familiar with that though? Jill: That's awesome. Jack Butala: BFF. Jill: Are you familiar with some of the hand gestures I'm about to hold up? Jack Butala: Pretty familiar with OMG. Jill: Pretty sure. Yeah. All right. Are you familiar with BTW? Jack Butala: By the way? Jill: Oh, you are. Good, good. Wasn't sure. Jack Butala: Gosh. [crosstalk 00:01:49]. Jill: Oh, my gosh. Anyway, "Is it naive of me to think I can get a good price breaker comp to price my first mailer? I've averaged out the price breaker on all three platforms and have a good average. Is it unreasonable to price it for 20% of the average value? Please confirm it is better to be under than overpriced." Oh, heck yeah. Jill: Unlike our... What's that? Jack Butala: I don't know. Jill: I don't know What that is. Jack Butala: Unlike our choices where. Jill: Overdressed is better than underdressed. Got it. "I know the market very well. People are flocking towards these areas. There are few more properties sold than compared to list it." Jill: This is all great stuff. Jill: "I'm not sure how to check the wholesale for wholesale competition, but my state is X. I don't see a lot of the Thursday will you do this deals properties in this area? I'd love to know how to check that though, and I'd be more comfortable in negotiating up." Jill: Okay. Can we tackle these a little bit at a time? Jack Butala: You please answer all the questions you want. I'm going to answer the question about, "Is it reasonable?" Jill: Well, good. Jack Butala: "At 40%" Jill: You start with that one. I'll do the other stuff. Jack Butala: Is it unreasonable to price it for 20% of this average value question mark. There is no way, this question comes up all the time. The question is this, "I have a great price per acre. It's $1,500. I'm real confident in my data that in this zip code for properties that are between one and five acres, they've been listed and sold for an average of $1,500." Jack Butala: So it's real easy to get to that point. If you're new, it's time consuming, but it's not that hard. Then the question becomes, "How should I price my mailer? Should I price it at 20% of $1,500 an acre? 35%, 40%, 50% am I going to ruin my mailer at 20%? Am I going to ruin my mailer at 70%?" These are the questions that go through a new person's head, rightfully so. So they seek out an answer. I'm not saying anything negative against Ann-Marie here at all. I'm just using this as an example, because this is probably 50% of the new people that gets to the point where the sending a mailer out,...

Working with Your Spouse without Tragedy (LA 1301) Transcript: Steve: Steve and Jill here. Jill: Hello. Steve: Welcome to The Land Academy Show entertaining land investment talk. I'm Steven Jack Butala. Jill: I'm Jill DeWit, playing with my hair, and I'm broadcasting from sunny Southern California. Steve: Today, Jill and I talk about working with your spouse without tragedy. I'm sure Jill has a lot to say about this. Sure of it. Jill: Let's define tragedy. Just kidding. Steve: We can show you what a tragedy looks like on this episode, actually. Jill: I guess we could. Steve: We can give a great example of tragedy. Jill: So, divorce papers? Or just getting into it? Steve: Yesterday, and I bit the inside of my lip, we were talking about when to leave your job and I'm thinking like, "We should be talking about when to leave your relationship." Jill: Oh, that's sad. Don't say that. Steve: Sometimes you've got to leave. Jill: No, I mean, come on. Don't leave let's... careful. Steve: All right. Jill: All right. Let's be cool here. Steve: Before we get into it, let's take a question posted by one of our members on the landinvestors.com online community. It's free. Jill: Okay. Rebecca wrote, "Hi, Land Academy. Quick question on filtering and pricing lots. The last list I sent out for four to six acre lots/parcels, I filtered out the higher priced lots over 75,000, but kept the lowered valued lots. I filtered them out." So, she didn't keep them. Okay. "I received about eight signed contracts from people who I sent offers to for eight to $10,000 when their lots were worth less than $10,000. Should I price by zip code or filter out the lots assessed under 10K or both? Thoughts please." Steve: You should price by zip code, for sure. No doubt about it based on the information that we have, the level of information we now have specifically because of Zillow. So yes, you should price by zip code, for sure. Should you remove any of the top end or the bottom end data? I call it like a bell curve. I keep it all in. We send out offer prices at a million plus now, and we get some of them signed back because you just never know. Over and over and over again what I hear from our advanced group at our live events, is send out more mail. Send out more mail and see what happens. You put yourself in such a position of control when you send out just hoards of mail. So yeah, maybe some of it's overpriced, maybe some of it's under priced, to this day I over and underprice property sometimes, but I'll tell you, when you're staring at a pile of purchase agreements that are signed, let's say 10 of them, you're going to pick the best three. If you have five purchase agreements signed and you're going to pick the best three, it's not as good of a situation to be in as 10, pick three. But yeah, you've got to price by zip code now. Jill: Well, I like what you said too, careful, don't limit yourself too much because you never, like you said, you never know what's going to come back. And if you're really, really deathly afraid of anything over $100,000, I can understand that, that's over your threshold. I would download the data. You're famous for saying the data is cheap, the mail's expensive and that's true. So, I would download the data just to have it and play with it and think about it too, but go for some bigger numbers anyway because you can afford to do this. Why? Because we'll fund your deals and people in our community will fund your deals. You might find something spectacular, Rebecca, that you're buying it for $83,000 and holy cow, it's worth 400, that just comes across your desk. And I want you to be able to look at those and see those and act on them. Adding a zero or a couple zeros is not nuts. Steve: This group is packed full of people that would love to write you an $83,000 check. Jill: Right. My other thing is too, I think what may have happened is sometimes how counties assess properties.

Working with Your Spouse without Tragedy (LA 1301) Transcript: Steve: Steve and Jill here. Jill: Hello. Steve: Welcome to The Land Academy Show entertaining land investment talk. I'm Steven Jack Butala. Jill: I'm Jill DeWit, playing with my hair, and I'm broadcasting from sunny Southern California. Steve: Today, Jill and I talk about working with your spouse without tragedy. I'm sure Jill has a lot to say about this. Sure of it. Jill: Let's define tragedy. Just kidding. Steve: We can show you what a tragedy looks like on this episode, actually. Jill: I guess we could. Steve: We can give a great example of tragedy. Jill: So, divorce papers? Or just getting into it? Steve: Yesterday, and I bit the inside of my lip, we were talking about when to leave your job and I'm thinking like, "We should be talking about when to leave your relationship." Jill: Oh, that's sad. Don't say that. Steve: Sometimes you've got to leave. Jill: No, I mean, come on. Don't leave let's... careful. Steve: All right. Jill: All right. Let's be cool here. Steve: Before we get into it, let's take a question posted by one of our members on the landinvestors.com online community. It's free. Jill: Okay. Rebecca wrote, "Hi, Land Academy. Quick question on filtering and pricing lots. The last list I sent out for four to six acre lots/parcels, I filtered out the higher priced lots over 75,000, but kept the lowered valued lots. I filtered them out." So, she didn't keep them. Okay. "I received about eight signed contracts from people who I sent offers to for eight to $10,000 when their lots were worth less than $10,000. Should I price by zip code or filter out the lots assessed under 10K or both? Thoughts please." Steve: You should price by zip code, for sure. No doubt about it based on the information that we have, the level of information we now have specifically because of Zillow. So yes, you should price by zip code, for sure. Should you remove any of the top end or the bottom end data? I call it like a bell curve. I keep it all in. We send out offer prices at a million plus now, and we get some of them signed back because you just never know. Over and over and over again what I hear from our advanced group at our live events, is send out more mail. Send out more mail and see what happens. You put yourself in such a position of control when you send out just hoards of mail. So yeah, maybe some of it's overpriced, maybe some of it's under priced, to this day I over and underprice property sometimes, but I'll tell you, when you're staring at a pile of purchase agreements that are signed, let's say 10 of them, you're going to pick the best three. If you have five purchase agreements signed and you're going to pick the best three, it's not as good of a situation to be in as 10, pick three. But yeah, you've got to price by zip code now. Jill: Well, I like what you said too, careful, don't limit yourself too much because you never, like you said, you never know what's going to come back. And if you're really, really deathly afraid of anything over $100,000, I can understand that, that's over your threshold. I would download the data. You're famous for saying the data is cheap, the mail's expensive and that's true. So, I would download the data just to have it and play with it and think about it too, but go for some bigger numbers anyway because you can afford to do this. Why? Because we'll fund your deals and people in our community will fund your deals. You might find something spectacular, Rebecca, that you're buying it for $83,000 and holy cow, it's worth 400, that just comes across your desk. And I want you to be able to look at those and see those and act on them. Adding a zero or a couple zeros is not nuts. Steve: This group is packed full of people that would love to write you an $83,000 check. Jill: Right. My other thing is too, I think what may have happened is sometimes how counties assess properties.

What’s In This Episode: Brad: Welcome to Breaking Down Your Business episode 362. [crosstalk 00:00:03] You can find [inaudible 00:00:04] of this episode at breakingdownyourbusiness.com/362. Jill: That was me imitating you, but it didn't work. Brad: Hi Jill. Jill: Hi Brad. Brad: I'm Brad from Anchor Advisors. Jill: I am Jill from the Founding Moms and we still managed to talk over each other even [crosstalk 00:00:26] in the same studio. Brad: I am losing my cotton picking mind. Jill: Well, congratulations. It was gone a long time ago, you're just finally noticing.

What’s In This Episode: Jill: When you talk about online networking, it sounds like we're relieving you of actual traditional face-to-face networking, which I think there's almost nothing more important. Brad: Welcome to Breaking Down Your Business, episode 354. Jill: You are welcome. Brad: Welcome. You can find the show notes for this episode at breakingdownyourbusiness.com/354. Jill: Well you're welcome. Welcome, Brad. Brad: Top of the morning to you, Jill. Jill: Oh dear God, this is Brad from Anchor Advisors. Brad: Okay, we don't need a British accent. It's St. Patrick's Day. Jill: Oh it is? Brad: So we need an Irish accent.

What’s In This Episode: Brad: I think a lot of people know things. There's a difference between knowing something and being able to articulate it in a way that someone else will understand. Brad: Welcome to Breaking Down Your Business Episode 350. You can find the show notes and stuff at BreakingDownYourBusiness.com/350. Jill: I'm so proud of you. You pronounced everything correctly. Well, then you just hit your hand on the computer. Brad: I am my solved wacked today. Jill: Hey, everybody! Brad: So I am Brad from Anchor Advisors. Jill: And I am Jill from the Founding Moms. Brad: Are you? Jill: Well, I'm also from the Breaking Down Your Business platform. Brad: That's true.

How to Price Your Land Offer Campaign (LA 1128) Transcript: Steven Butala:                   Steve and Jill here. Jill:                                          Hello. Steven Butala:                   Welcome to the Land Academy Show, entertaining land investment talk. I'm Steven Jack Butala. Jill:                                          And I'm Jill Dewitt, broadcasting from sunny Southern California. Steven Butala:                   Today Jill and I talk about how to price your land offer campaign successfully. Jill:                                          More importantly because it's the holidays, I would like to talk how to price holiday jewelry for your spouse. Steven Butala:                   This is a good question because I go back and forth on this. Jill:                                          That's way more important than this dumb land thing. Steven Butala:                   I've got a lot of questions. I'm so glad you brought this up. Seriously. Jill and I keep these pre-topic discussions from each other so we try to keep it real. Jill:                                          Yes. Oh it's real. We can tell. Steven Butala:                   If you have, a lot of people in our group are doing, they had a pretty good year and they have spouses. Is it expected? I've always wondered this. If you spend $50,000 on jewelry, is that okay? If you spend 500, is that okay? If you spent 2200, assuming that everybody in this group is going to get a reasonably good deal and not go into a mall and pay retail. Jill:                                          Okay. Number one, it should be relative to your situation. Please don't spend $50,000 on something to try to impress somebody and get them a Rolex, because that's just dumb. There are a lot of nice watches out there you can get for a couple thousand dollars, if that's your game. Steven Butala:                   A couple thousand dollars, she says, a couple thousand dollars. Now we're getting somewhere. Jill:                                          That's actually what I prefer. I wouldn't wear a Rolex if you gave me one, and I know you wouldn't either. We've actually, we've had this discussion. So that's too much. Yeah, $500 in Sears. Not a fan. Even though you've got a really good deal and it was 90% off. I don't know. Steven Butala:                   This is a moving target, landmine field. You have no idea how hard this is for men. Seriously. They have no idea what to do. Jill:                                          Well, do you know your woman? You should know your woman. How's that? Let's start with that. Steven Butala:                   No, I don't. I don't know my woman and I've been with her for quite some time, and that's the truth. Jill:                                          You could ask your woman. Steven Butala:                   I have to say, you're like really easy to buy. You're very appreciative no matter what. Jill:                                          Yeah. Steven Butala:                   You find some some slot for it in your head. Jill:                                          Right. Why I like to think that we talk about it and I leave clues. Well not clues. I try to make it hit you in the face because all women, every woman knows that if you leave clues around they're not going to see them. It doesn't matter. It could be taped on their side of the mirror. They're not going to see it. Steven Butala:                   Absolutely true. Jill:                                          Have a circle and an arrow pointing to it, it still might get missed. I guess just ask. That's all. Just ask. Steven Butala:                   Just ask. That's what I think. I mean unless you're really young and still haven't accepted reality yet and you actually believe the person that you're with is going to buy you something that you want without using, you still think that other person can read your mind,

Land Academy Members Self Start Accountability Metric to Insure Success (LA 1097) Transcript: Steve:                   Steve and Jill here. Jill:                          Hi. Steve:                   Welcome to the Land Academy Show, entertaining land investment talk. I'm Steven Jack Butala. Jill:                          And I'm Jill Dewitt, broadcasting from sunny Southern California. Steve:                   Today Jill and I talk about how Land Academy members have self-started an accountability metric to ensure their own success. Jill:                          I love it. Steve:                   Who the heck wrote that title? Jill:                          Wasn't me, because the word metric was in it. Steve:                   What does it mean? What it means is some smart person in our group started a Facebook group called accountability, Land Academy accountability. And the people that join it, you know it's an invite only or it's like requests only, how that works. Jill:                          It's a secret group. Steve:                   And they- Jill:                          It's not secret now, sorry. Steve:                   It's not secret anymore. When certain people start off on stuff like this, everybody knows this. It's hard to stay on track. Stuff happens. Like you got to pick up your kids from school or whatever. Your job gets in the way. So this is an accountability group to make sure that if you commit to sending out, it's kind of like Weight Watchers, you are going to get weighed in ... I don't even know how the Weight Watchers works. Jill:                          I can tell you. Steve:                   How does Weight Watchers work? Jill:                          There is a weekly weigh in. It's true. It's actually funny. Steve:                   I'm choking myself laughing. Jill:                          Why Weight Watchers came from, but okay. Steve:                   So what happens in Weight Watchers? Do you say I'm going to lose a pound or I'm going to stay on this diet? Is it like, let's see how this goes next week on the scale or I have a goal in losing a pound? Jill:                          Well you have a goal. Well, in the old days when I did Weight Watchers way back when, like you kept track, it wasn't on our phones back then and you kept track of it, you had points and you could eat so many points a day. And then once we could go to meeting and you'd weigh in and meet with your person, they say yay and you'd sit down and someone would talk and then you go home with a bunch of recipes. Steve:                   So does everybody like not eat the day before? Jill:                          Oh, I'm sure. Oh yeah. And they like drink a lot of coffee. Try to get things going before you go to the meeting. And like were your thinnest, lightest weight clothes, like don't wear a sweatshirt that might weigh something. It's so funny. Take your shoes off. Steve:                   So I don't, I'm not a member of this group. I think you are though. Jill:                          Oh, I was. Weight Watchers way back when. Steve:                   No, no. This accountability group. Sorry, I changed gear. Jill:                          No, no. Steven. I am actually not currently a Weight Watchers member. I do however support, always support Weight Watchers. I am not a Weight Watchers member at the time. Are you telling me I should? Steve:                   No. It has nothing do do with- Jill:                          Is this about the chump? Steve:                   No. Yeah. You don't ever want to talk about any woman's weight. Jill:                          That should be the stump the chump, like do you bring up Weight Watchers with a woman? Steve:                   Sitting next to a woman on your own show, do you even bring up Weight Watchers. What kind of idiot would bring up Weight Watchers? Jill:                          And then ask me questions about it. Like,

How to Make a Good Land Posting (LA 1082) Transcript: Steve:                   Steve and Jill here. Jill:                          Good day. Steve:                   Welcome to The Land Academy Show, Entertaining Land Investment Talk. I'm Steven Jack Butala. Jill:                          And I'm Jill Dewitt, broadcasting from sunny Southern California. Steve:                   Today, Jill and I talk about how a good- how to make a good land posting. Sorry. I got a little confused there for a second. Jill:                          Okay. What is a good land posting? Steve:                   What is a land posting? Jill:                          What? Steve:                   What's a land posting? Jill:                          Wait a minute. Steve:                   Wait, don't I just call my real estate agent and say, "Hey, I've got a piece of property. How about you sell it?" Jill:                          Can I just put a for sale sign on it, and just walk away? Put my phone number? Steve:                   This has got off to a good start. Jill:                          Oh, good. Steve:                   Because that's what I think the whole world thinks. Jill:                          I want to think. Okay, let's think of all the things you would just [inaudible 00:00:43] like. Steve:                   My sister in-law is a real estate agent [inaudible] last Christmas she was talking about a piece of land that this she looked at. Let's call her. Jill:                          Yeah. Steve:                   Shell get solved, it'll be fine. Jill:                          Well, how about the girl that we bought our house from? Let's just call her. Steve:                   So it turns out it 21st century, almost a quarter of the way through the 21st century, we are think about that and the internet and how we do stuff with computers is so dramatically changed. This industry since it was kind of the whole concept of it, the modern day real estate industry was started in the forties and fifties 1940s and fifties for some reason there's lingering real estate agents still. Jill:                          Yep. Steve:                   If you want the answer to that question, go see who the number two lobbyist group is in Washington for the last 35 years. Jill:                          That's interesting. Steve:                   It's the national association of realtors anyway. Jill:                          Who are they? Who are they behind? I hate to guess, does it start with an N? Jill:                          [inaudible 00:01:41]. Jill:                          Is it? is it, is is number one the, is it the NRA is number one? Steve:                   NRA, up there, it's top five. Jill:                          Okay, I would guess. Steve:                   That's a good question. Jill:                          We should look this up. Steve:                   I only ever looked. I look up, I obsess on this stuff. Jill:                          I know. Steve:                   And all five of them or if you just, they're propping themselves up, falsely. Like it removes ironically removes the raw supply and demand of capitalism. But wow that went sideways fast. Steve:                   Turns out... Jill:                          You're getting a lecture from dad right now or professor Steve pick one. Steve:                   Jill and I are in the pre development of a show called the Jack and Jill show about relationships and working together and you know, kind of like couples therapy and, and a non real estate show for is what Jill wants to do and I and I completely agree with her. Jill:                          It's going to happen. Steve:                   So what we're practicing that was a... [Inaudible 00:02:42]. Jill:                          There we go. Perfect. Thank you. Professor Butala. Steve:                   It'll launch out in October and I'm sure it'll fail.

I made this recording 2 1/2 years ago when I was still teaching in a classroom. Now I'm teaching at home, online. What a change! I miss being in front of my students, though it's nice to work at home, too. I hope you enjoy this podcast episode and that you learning something new about learning vocabulary. LnR 100 (Casual Language) Vocab (Replay) I talk about a good way to study vocabulary so that you will remember it.  Dialogue between two students A: Hi, Jack! How did you do on our vocab quiz this morning? B: Oh, man, I bombed it! A: What do you mean? B: I mean I think I failed it. A: How did that happen? Miss Buswell told us what to study. It was an easy quiz. I think I made a perfect score. Jack: I'm really hacked off at myself. I waited until last night to cram for the quiz. But then I forgot most of the words in the morning. Jill: Well, that's too bad. Maybe next time . . . . Jack: Yeah. Next time I'll remember to start studying earlier. Cramming sure isn't the best way to prepare for a test.  

Member Nick Sliger Shares House Academy Success Stories (LA 1043) Transcript:  Steven:                Steve and Jill here. Jill:                          Hi. Steven:                Welcome to the Land Academy show, entertaining land investment talk. Today, we have Nick Sliger. I think Nick, you've been a member for since when? Sliger:                    About two and a half years. I think I joined in 17, or maybe ... I think I joined in 16 right at the end of the year. Steven:                And I'm pretty sure you were at the last last live event, right? Sliger:                    I was. I'm coming back again and I'm looking forward to it [crosstalk 00:00:26]. Jill:                          Exactly. Steven:                Give us a little background on how you found us and maybe what you did before you started buying and selling land? And tell us why it's working or not working? Sliger:                    All right, cool. I was in the fitness industry. I have a background in kinesiology. I was a sprint coach for awhile and worked in health clubs. And I guess the story goes, I was looking at how bad food was. It got me into gardening, which got me looking into wanting to farm, which took me to wanting to figure out how to buy some farmland. Sliger:                    Watching some YouTube videos came across a guy that bought this cool little farm from a back tax over the counter sale from a county. I started looking into that. I joined another program. Did that educational one, but I was still looking for some more information. And as I was looking around trying to learn, I came across you guys. It was back when you guys were giving away a free acre in Cochise County with a signup. Steven:                That was a long time ago. You've been with for quite awhile. Sliger:                    And I signed up and got that one and that was my first one. I followed your guys advice. I did the $1, no reserve, 30-day Ebay. $3.99 doc fees. I sold it for $4.20. I got $8.19 out of it. Jill:                          Perfect. Sliger:                    That was pretty cool. One to get me going. Steven:                Was that your first deal? Sliger:                    That was my first one. I didn't technically buy it by source in any mailers or anything like that but I got it with the program and I sold it. And that was my first one. [crosstalk 00:01:55] Steven:                My first deal. You remember the first girl you kissed. Sliger:                    Exactly. Steven:                And the last one. You recouped almost all of the purchase price for that program, right? Sliger:                    Yeah, a huge amount. And I remember listening to your podcast back then you were always saying that, "Don't quit your day job until it's costing you money." Well, I was in between jobs right then and I was actually looking to start a little farming business. But I put that on hold and I started this land business. But I started to go through and buy some more properties it pretty quickly ate up all my acquisition funds. Sliger:                    And as I extrapolated where my money was going, I had determined that I needed to go back and get a regular job or I was going to spend through all my capital just paying bills. I went back and I got a job, just a couple months after I started, and I've been working that though the whole time driving a truck. But my goal is to quit that here soon. Hopefully, within another property or two I'll be in a position to end that. Jill:                          You're close. Sliger:                    I want to join the 33%. Jill:                          Yay. That's so good. I'm so glad. Steven:                I'm so glad it's working out for you. Jill:                          Well, I'm glad that you did the right thing. You went back and said, "All right, I want to do this right. And if I have to get a day job for a little while, fine. It'll pay the bills.

Planning for Your Family Legacy Like Saras Farm (LA 1035) Transcript: Steve:                   Steve and Jill here. Jill:                          Good day. Steve:                   Welcome to the Land Academy Show, entertaining land investment talk. I'm Steven Jack Butala. Steve:                   and I'm Jill DeWit, broadcasting from sunny southern California. Jill:                          Today. Jill and I talk about planning for your family legacy, like Sarah's farm. Steve:                   Who The heck is Sarah? Jill:                          Sarah is our niece and this is because of a story that I heard, and I was talking to your sister yesterday and she was sharing with me Sarah's farm, one of their properties that they purchased, and I thought this was really, really cool and I want to talk about it more. Steve:                   If you're a regular listener, you know this, but my middle sister is... It lives in Trevor City, Michigan, and she's extremely successful residential real estate agent. She's actually the single only residential real estate agent that I enjoy spending time with. Jill:                          That is true, well hey wait, there's two. Steve:                   Oh yeah. Jill:                          Well we have two, we have one more local. Steve:                   Yeah, and so she's been accumulating property. She pours a lot of her money, the commission money that she earns ,into buying properties, and I think she's up to what, 20 or 30 or something? Jill:                          20 doors. Steve:                   And so one of them is Sarah's farm, which I think... Tell the story. Oh no, okay wait... Jill:                          We'll save it for the show. Steve:                   Before we get into it, let's take a question posted by one of our members on the landinvestors.com online community. It's free. Jill:                          Mike L. asks, "Hi Steve and Jill, I recently sent out a mailer and have been getting calls back. It's exciting, but everyone wants more than we are offering. I'm okay with that, but I'm having trouble properly assessing the true market value against the land flippers on LandWatch who are properly following your advice and to price less than the cheapest listed seller to move land fast. We have no seller lists yet and we have priced well enough it seems, but we can't move much higher if I'm basing the sales price off the lowest seller. I can find... The lowest one I can find on LandWatch. Have you or others had any experience with this? Is it worth acquiring with the expectation that the sales price will fall more towards the average low? Steve:                   Yes. Jill:                          Usually other flippers or the one or two that are viciously low. Please help. I've got an example below if my question didn't make sense. Steve:                   It makes complete sense. Jill:                          I'm sorry. I'm going to say what he put in here too? This is so cute. Oh, this is a good... hey, good way to do this. This is how you get on this show. He put hashtag podcast question, hashtag love the show hashtag. I'll put whatever I have to put here to get on this show, hashtag you just told us to do something like this to get your question on the show. Mike. Hashtag Mike, you did great. Steve:                   That was hilarious, Actually. Jill:                          Perfect. Steve:                   I didn't even realize that when I put this question in here. Jill:                          That was so good. Alright. Do you want me to read the example? Steve:                   He says, "For example, we listed a property for $750 and they made an offer for $750 and the guy wants four grants. So the cheapest on LandWatch is 2,500 everybody else falls into the four to $5,000 range for the same property that's in a planned urban development. That's east coast, east coast speak for mash plan community.

Jill Richmond joins us today to talk about the U.S. government’s somewhat mixed success to date in regulating cryptocurrency and the growing push by predominantly conservative political forces to reduce federal intervention and give states a bigger say in how this new economy is regulated. Jill brings us up to speed on how crypto trade and lobbying groups such as the Digital Asset Trade Association (DATA), which she Co-Founded, are faring in their efforts to ensure that states pass consistent laws across the board. And she explains how the growing tensions between states and Washington D.C. on crypto regulation involves the principle of  federalism. We’ll give you a report card of states and show how some states are doing better than others at this political gamesmanship. Tune in to find out what’s fact, what’s substance, and what’s grandstanding in the growing political battle over cryptocurrency. Topics Covered in this Conversation with Jill Richmond: – Patchwork of federal regulations – Confusion and lack of clarity – Complex woolly regulatory environment – States trying to create clarity for companies – Many states also creating patchwork of laws – Difficulties of crypto companies to get banked – Interest from banks to move to foreign jurisdictions – Confusion over definition of cryptocurrency and ICOs – Role of federalism in crypto politics – Conservative groups working to give more power to states – Digital Asset Trade Association (DATA)  working to create consistent state legislation – States Report Card – How DATA was created and got involved in legislative activity – States doing the most on regulation – Gubernatorial races and impact on industry – Wyoming becoming Delaware of crypto – Rise of crypto banks – Getting Congress to become more engaged – Closing thoughts and key takeaways   Questions and Comments? podcast@gem.co Guest Contact Information Jill Richmond LinkedIn | Twitter | Telegram Website: Digital Asset Trade Association Resource Links Blockchain and Cryptocurrency: State Law Roundup US Election Sees Crypto-Friendly Politicians Win Governor Races DATA Continues To Move the Needle in Wyoming Wyoming Eyes Creation of Blockchain-Friendly Bank to Lure Bitcoin Startups State Regulations on Virtual Currency and Blockchain Technologies Crypto industry leaders warn Congress: Figure out regulation, or watch innovation leave the US Colorado Digital Token Act Wyoming wants to be Delaware of the West With Business Court U.S. State of Wyoming Defines Cryptocurrency ‘Utility Tokens’ as New Asset Class Transcript: Interview with Jill Richmond Interview Recorded On: January 8th, 2019 Topic: Politics and Crypto   Chitra: Welcome to the show, Jill. It's great to have you.   Jill: No, it's great to be here. Thanks, Chitra.   Chitra: Thanks so much. So this past year there was a tremendous amount of interpretation and confusion it seemed on how different federal agencies were defining how cryptocurrency should be regulated.   Jill: Sure. So - and I think to lean into that a little bit more - I think you have everyone from the SEC to the CFTC to FinCEN determining whether we're looking at property, we're looking at commodity, or we're looking at a security, but none really turning around and saying this may be a new asset class. So, what you have is agencies that leaned in really hard without creating a lot of clarity and companies wrote reactively and proactively trying to respond to what was either coming down the pike as they anticipated it. And so, interestingly enough, what you've started to see as a result of this kind of complex woolly regulatory environment is states and hopefully on the federal side, trying to lean as heavy as they can and trying to create some clarity for companies, individuals, and otherwise, and obviously consumers in terms of how they need to behave, operate within a framework in the United States.   Chitra: Let's pause for a minute and talk about the current state of affairs for businesses and investors when it comes to pain points and friction in how they're operating.   Jill: Okay, sure. So, I guess you sort of need to define what you're talking about here, are you talking about cryptocurrency? Are you talking about blockchain technology?   Chitra: Cryptocurrency.   Jill: Cryptocurrency, fine. Okay. So for cryptocurrency, you have a lot of companies that have very difficult time trying to get banked. So there are banks that are more or less unhelpful to companies that are operating in the US and companies are finding themselves having to find a jurisdiction and bank outside of the US. So there's this, I would say, this interest in moving to other jurisdictions. So that's a huge pain point for companies. Certainly companies who were trying to bank class last year had a very difficult time. I can get to that later. In terms of what legislation is on the ground, possibly in Wyoming to have a bank that basically is supporting blockchain and crypto-based companies.   There are pain points around, even companies, and I'm often uncomfortable in discussing it, but there were companies who essentially said, look, we want to do an ICO. Can we do an ICO in this country? Does that mean that we have to turn around and now only work with accredited investors?   Chitra: An ICO is an initial coin offering, which is a method of crowdfunding in cryptocurrency.   Jill: Yes. So, essentially, companies last year were producing utility tokens and treating those utility tokens effectively as an investment vehicle and running afoul of major securities law. Essentially treating a token, utility token, extensively, which needs to be treated as utility token. In other words, the token has utility consumptive value within the ecosystem.   Chitra: Unlike a security for instance, which the SEC says ICOs and tokens essentially are.   Jill: That's right. So there is still real value in having a utility. That utility token, however, should not, could not, cannot be treated as an investment contract per se. So it's the intent around what that token’s primary purpose is.   Chitra: And this is a source of great disagreement at the federal level.   Jill: It is still a source of great disagreement, although I don't know because the disagreement is such that, the SEC still looks at the how we test as-   Chitra: Which is a supreme court test that deals with securities regulation.   Jill: That's right. And so, in applying that test to, I guess a utility token, it can be very complicated. And as I said, it often is about the intent of the utility tokens. So, there was legislation that was created out in Wyoming. We can cover that, HB 70, which was a bill that was passed in a Wyoming last March that we helped. And I can tell you that we helped shepherd along, which really stipulated effectively what a utility or an open token is and that it is exempt from property taxes.   Chitra: So this is important because the SEC says that cryptocurrency is a security and is illegal unless regulated by the SEC, then you've got the commodities future trading commission. The CFTC says, oh no, cryptocurrency is a commodity. And then you have the IRS saying cryptocurrency is property. And then you have FinCEN which is the treasury’s financial crimes enforcement network saying that it is money. So you have all of these different interpretations. But now you have a state named the Wyoming saying, we believe that utility tokens can be essentially exempt from-   Jill: Property taxes.   Chitra: ...from property taxes. So it seems like this is a perfect example of federalism at play. So can you talk a little bit about how federalism is kind of playing a role here and eventually they'll, it seems that in situations like that often courtside with the federal laws and so how will this all play out?   Jill: Yeah, it's a good question and we haven't seen it yet. So yes, it is a perfect example of federalism, but you still have major issues that fall within, I guess financial markets to some extent, taxes and otherwise that are still at the purview of the state level. So, as long as you are working closely with the state securities, if you're working around securities law as it relates on the state level, you're extensively okay. Do I think that there's going to be a showdown about what's happening in Wyoming? I don't know. We haven't seen it yet and it's hard for me to predict whether we're going to start seeing the courts take on what's happening on a state level. It's still extremely nascent right now. I mean with Wyoming being probably the front runner and the most maybe controversial legislation on the ground in one particular state.   Chitra: Let's go back to the broader area. It seems that many states are now weighing in on how cryptocurrency should be regulated. And the Brookings Institute essentially categorized states in seven different ways. And they said there are states that are unaware, reactionary, appreciative, organized, actively engaged and recognizing innovation potential. And I know that your trade group, The Digital Assets Trade Association has also done a lot of work and done a report card on how states are fairing when dealing with cryptocurrency. Can you sum up what you’ve found?   Jill: Yeah, I think that's fair. So what you saw in 2014, is the first wave of kind of 20 states that came in and started to regulate or started to create legislation acknowledging cryptocurrency and more or less protecting the consumer. So you've got New York and California and the license. So, but fast forward to 2018 really is sort of the next wave of states that fall within those sort of seven categories. So for us at The Digital Asset Trade Association and I love the Brookings, I thought Brookings did a great job of breaking that down, at least for people who were slightly unaware of what's going on on a state level. What we did is take it a little, a step further, which is to say the elections are imminent and let's kind of highlight some of the governors that we know are either proactive. So in the case of Colorado, we had Jared Polis who we know as a state legislator, formed the blockchain coalition.   Chitra: And you're referring to the 2018 midterm elections.   Jill: [crosstalk] That's correct. Yeah. So anyway, the short version of a long story is that where seven of those states fit. So there are seven key states that are really looking into legislation that not only is acknowledging the technology, but are creating safe harbor legislation and also, trying to identify where blockchain technology fits around public and private services. So, can we have state records on a blockchain? Can we have... how are we treating smart contracts? So you have places like Delaware, Arizona was extremely progressive. Wyoming as we know which issued and passed six bills last year, extremely progressive and probably the most progressive.   So our scorecard was basically giving, we're giving governors and states, essentially an A rating or a passive rating or an A rating, so to speak. So at least voters started to understand where their state fit and where their legislators fit around adopting legislation that was probably creating job creation within their state. So it wasn't just about cryptocurrency, it was, look, we're taking a really strong position. We want companies to set up shop in the case of Wyoming and we want to be seen as an innovation hub.   Chitra: So what's at stake really here is the entire new ecosystem that's being built around cryptocurrency. So it's a jobs and attracting more companies to increase your tax base. There seems to be a lot at stake here.   Jill: Yeah, there is a lot at stake and I think there's still that pivotal moment where legislators are starting to see if they take action, they can retain talent, company innovation, staying either in-state and not fleeing to a new jurisdiction. That's the hope. That, that innovation, that sandbox legislation that gets put on the table in Colorado for instance, creates opportunities for new financial based or fintech-based companies to operate within their state and not flee and go somewhere else.   Chitra: What are the stakes for crypto businesses in terms of the friction we talked about, the pain points, what do they want?   Jill: Oh, well. I guess it was September of this year, there was a real, there was a round table on a federal level that was put together with a number of major players within the industry and above and beyond all else, it was clarity. It was just clarity. It was the, look, in order for us to have big money come into this industry, it needs to be regulated well, it needs to be regulated with clarity and their hopes in the friction at least as far as they're concern is as they're building new financial products and infrastructure, that clarity means everything in terms of, again, where that innovation is coming from. Is it in Korea or is it really coming out of the United States? Is it coming from Malta or is it coming from the United States?   Chitra: So you have at the federal level, a patchwork of guidance and confusion. And now you have states jumping in and every state is trying to issue its own idex on regulation of cryptocurrency. You have the underlying kind of a conservative political movement steeped in federalism that's tried to give more [crosstalk] power to the states from ALEC, the conservative organization, the American Legislative Exchange Council. So you have that underlying kind of political movement that's driving some of this stuff. And then we have groups like yours that's trying to wrestle all of this to the ground and finding some kind of consistency. So how is this all working out?   Jill: Well, it's complicated. So, and maybe it helps if I give a little bit of an information. Oh, I help you understand a little bit about DATA, so-   Chitra: Your organization?   Jill: My organization, which is The Digital Asset Trade Association. The Digital Asset Trade Association, let me just sort of give some context to bring you right back. Digital Asset Trade Association was really formed last year. End of January, we had a round table with the chief information officer at the CFTC and the SEC and we sat down in a private room with stakeholders from blockchain and crypto-based companies and said, what can we do to help you? In not so many words, what can we do to help you communicate directly to the companies and understand their pain points and help you understand how do you either both weed out bad actors or be compliant or operate in a way that is moving the needle on proactivity?   And so what came out of it, at least the timing, was Wyoming was really fast moving in introducing six pieces of legislation. And we as an organization that had just been formed, turned around and said, we're going to focus all of our energy and attention over to Wyoming. We're going to work closely with the Wyoming blockchain coalition. We're going to work closely with Caitlin Long and help them shepherd through kind of a stake in the ground and that's what we did and we did it very quickly. It was within two weeks. We sort of dropped in like a SWAT team, testified, introduced as much language, education, support as the state needed. Walked away and said, okay, we have our mission. Our mission is now to use Wyoming as kind of the ground zero, even though there were other states before, but use Wyoming as sort of the proverbial ground zero and say, now let's try and create federal language that takes HB 70, for instance, on a federal level and create consistency among states.   Chitra: [crosstalk] utility token definition.   Jill: This is utility token definition, exactly. And so, we started to get inbound requests from states and guidance and support and we went over to Colorado and started working in Colorado to help pass legislation that by the way, did not pass. But we have a very different makeup in the Senate and the House right now and we have a very progressive governor. And so the short version of a long story, is DATA was really formed to create consistency among states and we will be working with bodies like ALEC to help support that consistency among states.   Chitra: But at the moment, given this patchwork, the fact which of course is democracy at its best and worst as we know it, is this a blessing or a curse that states are jumping in willy nilly to try to change and shape this ecosystem.   Jill: Is it Pollyannaish for me to say it's a blessing and a curse? Because it is. It's a blessing because you almost need to do this pincer move. There's a little bit of a pincer move that needs to happen. States are going to jump in and they're going to try and clarify and they're certainly going to do that hopefully, or at least in their best interest, which is to attract companies and they're going to go head to, so Wyoming is going to go head to head with Delaware and you've got states that are going to start competing with each other to attract talent, to attract innovation. Now is that helpful for those companies? Probably not. The reasons why states are doing it versus why companies need to have some defining language. So, it's a blessing because now you have companies that are like, great, I feel like I can go move-   Chitra: They have a home.   Jill: They have a home, they can move to Colorado and there are a lot of major companies in Colorado. They can move to, you have kind of, you have companies that are now at least exchanges that have turned around and said, okay, we can move out to Wyoming and leave Washington for instance. So you're attracting talent, but you will have to create a serious pincer move around the introduction of a lot of that consistent legislation on the federal side now. And we hope as a trade organization to bridge, we've got many masters, but to bridge that chasm so to speak.   Chitra: And one of the things you're seeing is the education of politicians both at the federal and at the state level about blockchain technology and cryptocurrency and the midterm elections were significant for the cryptocurrency industry in that you had the election of three crypto savvy, crypto friendly governors, I guess it was Jared Polis of Colorado and-   Jill: Gavin Newsom.   Chitra: Gavin Newsom of California and you had the third one was Mark Gordon of Wyoming-   Jill: Wyoming.   Chitra: ... of course. And then you had-   Jill: He was inaugurated last night.   Chitra: Yeah. And then you had two who were re-elected. One was Gina Raimondo of Rhode Island and Greg Abbott of Texas. So you've got five state governors now who are getting educated and are knowledgeable and supportive of cryptocurrency. And that seems to, that that's going to have an impact too.   Jill: Yeah, it will. I mean, you absolutely will. I mean, you're literally starting to see the movement of that legislation right now. You've got bills that are hitting the House floor in Colorado. You have new package legislation that we hope we expect to get very little push back on, but we don't know. There's now five bills that are hitting the House floor on Friday.   Chitra: In Wyoming?   Jill: Wyoming.   Chitra: And what do they, just generally speaking broadly, what are they trying to do those bills?   Jill: So you've got, and I'm going to lose the number, but I think it's HB 76, so forgive me on that. We'll have to edit that. But HB 76, so you have clarifying legislation, which is just re-clarifying HB 70. It helps to clarify in terms of the utility and the exemption of property taxes. And the most important bill, I think that's hitting the floor is a banking bill. Which is setting up the establishment of a bank, which is-   Chitra: A crypto bank.   Jill: A crypto bank.   Chitra: The first of its kind?   Jill: It will be the first of its kind, which is not FDIC insured. So there will be no lending, but it is really for the purposes of depository and acts really for companies to be able to have a bank. I don't know, you've been in this industry long enough to see what it's like to try and set up a bank account. It's often your bank account is shut or frozen or you have a ton of issues and this is a huge pain point for companies. So, I think part of the package of legislation in Wyoming is again, to attract companies and talent.   Chitra: So, in essence is Wyoming trying to become for Crypto what Delaware is for traditional banking for instance?   Jill: It is. Yeah. It is. I think you saw 1977, Wyoming really was the first issue, the LLC. And so, I think there's always been a little bit of a rivalry between Wyoming and Delaware of sorts. But Wyoming has attractive reasons for companies to go. And, I will say that only because I'm watching companies that are relocating to Wyoming that are setting up developer communities across Wyoming that are setting up a secondary office or a third office or a fourth office so that they can take advantage of what Wyoming offers them. Not that I'm plugging Wyoming, I don't live there, but it's-   Chitra: It's one of the states that's proving to be friendly to crypto businesses.   Jill: Yeah, that's right.   Chitra: So let's look ahead to this year, 2019. What do you see happening in terms of federal legislation regulation, state legislation regulation, studies, business development across the spectrum? Where do you see us ending up at the end of 2019 compared to where we were a year ago?   Jill: I think you're going to get a lot more clarity. I mean, I do believe that there is so, I think on a macro level you've seen all of the pieces of the puzzle be put back together again to the extent that you have now strong movement on the state level. So you have a number of bills and key states that are moving. You've got New Jersey that's moving on legislation and Arizona as we know, has moved on legislation. We're getting inquiries from New Mexico and otherwise, legislation that is a little bit more closely aligned with either our agenda of our members or closely aligned with creating innovation etc and just clarity. And I think that the makeup on the federal side, at least in Congress, is such that we will start to move much more quickly in creating consistency as well. So I think-   Chitra: [crosstalk] If nothing else, maybe this is an invitation for Congress to jump in and start to provide some of this legislative language to clarify some of these issues and then reduce the confusion.   Jill: Agreed. I mean, I think this is a good year to see some, either groundbreaking movement or some clarity. So, I think you saw it was maybe December 11th and there was a lot of, it wasn't the most welcome move, but I think you saw the CFTC did a public request for input really around aspects of how Ether and the Ethereum network operates. You're starting to see the engagement at least open inquiries into, let's figure this out.   Chitra: Great. Any closing thoughts, Jill?   Jill: Yeah, I think, look, I'm a big proponent of my organization. We are constantly looking for support in companies that want to join our working groups, especially as we develop working groups post-Wyoming around really around banking and identity and otherwise. And so I would say please sort of visit us at digitalasset.org and keep an eye on what we're doing in Wyoming and keep an eye on what we're doing in Colorado.   Chitra: Great. And where can people learn more about you and the work you're doing?   Jill: So you can find, so digitalasset.org that's probably the best way. And you can certainly reach out to me directly at jill.richmond@digitalasset.org.   Chitra: Awesome. Well, Jill it has been so great to have you on the show, and there's so much going on that a lot of us are not even aware of at the state and federal level. Jill: Yeah. Thanks for asking. Yeah, thank you.

Wholesale Houses: Live 6 Part Online Course (CFFL 581) Transcript:  Jack:                     Jack and Jill here. Jill:                        Hi. Jack:                     Welcome to the show. On this episode, Jill and I talk about Wholesaling Houses, our six-part live online course that will be launched in early January. Before we get into that though, let's take a question posted by one of our members on the landinvestors.com online community, it's free. Jill:                        Alright. Tom asks, "I'm looking to send out my first set of mailers and I have my data, but I'm wondering what advice would you suggest when it comes to scrubbing your data? Also, what advice would you suggest if a person has multiple properties? Do I send out one letter? Do I send out multiple?" Jack:                     Tom, these are great questions. And they're all questions that I asked myself right before I did my first mailer, and they're all addressed in our Cash-flow from Land education program. But your question's very timely because that program was all prerecorded and kinda been ... You know, video format. We're finding more and more ... and I can see here that you're actually not a member of our group so you don't have access to it ... But we're finding more and more, that this style of learning, for certain people, is better in sort of an online classroom setting where you can ask questions just like this and get a direct answer. Actually, different versions of an answer. That's why there's two of us. You're gonna get Jill's answer and you're gonna get my answer. Which quite often, I don't have to tell you if you listen to the show, aren't that similar. Which is good. Jill:                        Quite often are not, that's the winner. That's awesome. Jack:                     Which is good. So scrubbing data ... And pricing data, specifically ... Once you get it, before you send it out in the mail, it's imperative to your success if you ... Pricing if you've listened to any of the stuff that we talk about, it's gonna make or break whether you buy properties. Not only make or break, it's gonna ... 2 or 3,000 unit mailer, you might buy one or two properties, or you might buy 20 or 30 like we do. And so ... This is not our first rodeo. So, while I'm ... The context or the format for me to answer that question about scrubbing data, it's impossible at this format. So, it's art and science, if you know what I mean. Jill:                        Mm-hmm. Jack:                     If you have a question, or you'd like to be on the show, reach out to either one of us on landinvestors.com Jill:                        Can I tag one little thing on this here though? Jack:                     Sure. Jill:                        But we do scrub out duplicates because they don't need ... Did you say that? Jack:                     Uh-uh. Jill:                        Okay. We do scrub out the duplicates and not send six letters to the same guy, just FYI Tom, just so you know. Because you said one person has multiple properties ... Jack:                     Let's talk about that for a second. Let's philosophically talk about a person who owns nine houses in a subdivision. What does that tell you about that person Jill? Jill:                        Hmmm. They might be an investor and a good person to sell to. Jack:                     Oh my gosh, you're brilliant ... Jill:                        Yay ... So I'll do that ... Jack:                     What if they own 19? Jill:                        Well, then I'd know what they're doing and I'd [crosstalk 00:03:01] definitely want them on my team Jack:                     Hmmm, I want their phone number. Jill:                        That's true. So Tom, to answer your first question, yes. We don't send out one letter ... I mean send out multiple ... We send out the one ... And then the B, like Jack just said,

Stay Motivated by Jill (CFFL 580) Transcript:  Jack:                     Jack and Jill here. Jill:                        Hi. Jack:                     Welcome to the show today. In this episode, Jill and I talk about staying motivated by Jill. Jill:                        By Jill. Jack:                     Before we get into it, let's take a question posted by one of our members on the landinvestors.com online community. It's free. Jill:                        Okay, Jarrett asked, "In the yellow letter/postcard world, many times I tell you to send out letters seven times to get the best responses. I was wondering if any of you have done multiple mailers with unsolicited offers. If so, have you seen any success with doing that?" Well, first of all, we don't like ... I mean, okay, wait. I let me back up here. That's not the way we roll. We were talking about this a few minutes ago. We actually have not done this because you know why? I mean, we've been doing this so long. We have such a good strike percentage that we don't feel a need to hit the area again. We move onto the next area. So, now, Jack brought up a funny point about the people that might be telling you to send out multiple offers. Do you want to add about that, jack? Jack:                     Well, yeah. Jill:                        Multiple letters. Jack:                     It does [crosstalk 00:01:09] yellow letters thing. There's a website called yellowletters.com. They advocate for handwritten letters to make it look like you hand wrote a letter, like you're some little old lady with a light bulb hanging from a string sitting at a table- Jill:                        And nothing else to do. Jack:                     ... innocently. Which, first of all, now you're starting out with a lie. You're starting out with dishonesty. So, I don't advocate that. What Jill's point is, whoever owns Yellow Letters, I really doubt that they've done 15,000 transactions like we have. I question their credibility as a real estate investor. They might be the greatest printers in the world, but for them to say, "We really suggest that you send out seven ... " The fact is this. Repetition in advertising works. You've seen Pepsi and Coke. How many times is it the same car commercial did you see in last week's football game? Over and over again. Jill:                        We could all talk about the Lincoln commercial. We all know exactly how it's going to go. We know he's going to walk up now and the door's going to open and the Lincoln symbol is going to be on crown. We've all seen that. Jack:                     In the same commercial over and over again to the point where it's nauseous. It works. These people ... it's been going on since we were all kids. So, repetition in advertising works. I personally can't stand it. So, we don't. To answer your question, have we seen any success doing that? No. We don't teach that and we don't do it. I've never sent a followup mail. The biggest reason is because we've never needed to. Our striking yield percentages on a single offer are extremely high by anybody's standards. So, I've never had to or really even thought about setting up a followup letter campaign. Jill:                        Well, here's one. Jack:                     You could try it. Jill:                        I mean, well, here's one of the things too. When you send out the right letter, like we do, we've had years of tracking this stuff. How do I know? because I still get calls from 2007 from someone that has our letter and we only sent him one. It's very interesting. Jack:                     [inaudible 00:03:12] they got multiple letters since really '04. Jill:                        Right. Jack:                     Why did they call us back? I'll tell you why, because we write a professional business letter- Jill:                        Bingo. Jack:                     ... with respect.

Top 3 Places Investors Get Stuck (CFFL 562) Transcript: Jack:                      Jack and Jill here. Jill:                          Hello. Jack:                      Welcome to the show today. In this episode, Jill and I talk about the top three places real estate investors get stuck, those bottlenecks. And they're different for everybody. Before we get into it, let's take a question posted by one of our members on the landinvestors.com online community. It's free. Jill:                          Okay. Andy asks, "I love the idea of sell before you buy. I've used Craigslist for vague ads to see how much interest there is before I buy a piece of land." Jack:                      Awesome. Jill:                          "When you get replies to the ad, how much information do you divulge? I do not want to give out the APN or address, but what if someone wants to drive out to look? Can you give them directions to land you do not own?" Jack:                      Sure. What I'd do is say, "Thanks for calling, but the property's sold. We sold it, but tell me, why ... I buy property in this area all the time. Why don't you give me your information? I'll make sure you're on a list because I constantly get properties in that area." Jill:                          Yeah. Jack:                      I used to do this before the internet. I used to do it in the classified ads. Jill:                          Yeah. Did you do it with ... Jack:                      Yeah. Jill:                          ... properties and stuff too? Jack:                      The rental property. Jill:                          Yeah, that's right. Jack:                      That's how I learned. Jill:                          How this works. Jack:                      I actually came up with this myself. I would put a fake classified ad for a rental house, and just see how many calls I would get. Off the Sunday paper, one ad. Remember that? Jill:                          Yeah. And then you're like "Well this is a good area." Jack:                      The first one I did, and I never did it again after that for rental houses. I got 140 calls. Jill:                          What does that tell you? Well I'm just going to say ... Jack:                      Massive lack of rental property in that area. Jill:                          Well here's the thing too, Andy. You'll know pretty darn quick if you have six voicemails on the first day, like well I guess I need to go buy that, and see how many more I can find. Jack:                      Exactly. Jill:                          So even if you don't get back to them or call them back, you'll know, but be, Jack said he's great. Get their information cause you know they're interested, so there's your buyers list. Jack:                      And then you can say, as far as giving them directions and stuff, you never want to mislead. You want that customer to be a customer for life, so you want to say, "No, I don't have prop ... property's sold." Here's the general area. Stop in the grocery store that's over there or whatever. Get that person to say, "Hey what's it like?" The person who's behind the counter. Jill does this all the time. She'll call local business right off of Google Earth, and ask them about, before we buy property. Just be a social butterfly about the whole thing. Jill:                          It's so funny, I know. Could you step outside and look across the street? Seriously. Jack:                      I know. Jill:                          I have done that. Jack:                      I know you have. Jill:                          They're like this is the weirdest thing on the planet, but okay. I would do that. Jack:                      And then they just fall in love with her like everyone. Jill:                          It's so funny. I have no fear. Jack:                      I know you don't.

How to Overcome Bad Situations (CFFL 553) Transcript: Jack:                      Jack Butala with Jill Dewitt. Jill:                          Hey there. Jack:                      Welcome to our show today. In this episode, Jill and I talk about how to overcome bad situations. I'm looking forward to this, for a lot of reasons. Jill:                          I can't wait to hear why. Jack:                      I'm looking forward to it, because I'm like a hot head from Detroit, and so I can make a bad situation out of anything good. Jill:                          Yes you can.  And I can't make a good situation out of anything bad. Jack:                      I know, I know Darma. Let's take a question posted by one of our members on the LandInvestors.com online community. It's free. Jill:                          It's really good. Kristen P. asked, "Hi I looking for some advice on what to do in this situation. I sent out a mailer in the beginning of August to a few counties in Texas, and with my luck Hurricane Harvey hit those areas dead on. So I'm not sure what the best route is. I know the area will be restored within time; however, I am worried about buying these properties, and having an issue selling them due to others being concerned about the damage in the area and what not. What would you do in my situation? Thank you. Kristen." Jack:                      This has come up a lot recently, 'cause there's a lot of hurricanes. It's hurricane season. And Jill and I actually agree on this, it's the one thing we agree one. Jill:                          Yep. Jack:                      As Ripley said in the movie Alien, "Nuke it for morbid." I would not even answer the phone. I don't believe in taking people when they're down like this, and when people are looking for their photo albums, and stuff in a flood. You don't want to be talking about a real estate deal. Jill:                          Right. Jack:                      And you don't want to take advantage of people ever. Ever, ever, ever, so that's what ... I would send a mailer out to Utah or something. Jill:                          Well what about this idea, Jack. Now that you are talking about it. I mean 'cause, so yeah A, we totally agree, which is, don't try to take advantage of people now in this situation. Got it? Jack:                      And you're 100 percent correct Kristen P. you're right, alright? But what it looks like to the rest of the world is that, you're trying to screw somebody. So, and we know you're not. You sent it out before the hurricane- Jill:                          Well hold on a moment- Jack:                      There's no way you can explain your way out of that. Jill:                          Well hold on a moment. Here's my thoughts. Let me run this by you Jack. Here's what I think, so she sent out these mailers. Let's think, in August, so they got it in August, and they've been thinking about it, and now they're gonna call her back saying, "Do you still want it? It's under two feet of water." Let's talk about that for a second. 'Cause that really maybe what's going on. She's made an offer, and she still wants the property. Does she say, "Now, I know I offered you a 1,000$ for that property. I don't want it anymore, 'cause now I know it's under two feet of water. I'm sorry, I can't help you." What about that scenario? Jack:                      I mean you know what, this is kind of like how to overcome bad situations. It's kinda like the show. There's a lot of ways you can go here. I mean, you could pick up the phone, and if the person says exactly what you just said, "Do you still want it?" I guess I personally, as much as I hate talking on the phone, and hate talking to people and stuff ... I think that you might want to just have a nice fireside chat with 'em, and say, "How are you doin'? Is everything cool?" And I don't know ...

5 Stages of Wealth (CFFL 533) Transcript: Jack:                      Rental neighborhoods, it works very, very well to put in the paper. Jill:                          Okay. Jack:                      To like in a newspaper, actually. Jill:                          Oh, okay. Jack:                      If you're trying to rent a house. Jill:                          Got it. Jack:                      So you can test it that way and, but even long before you even buy it, you put it right in there, and leave out a few of the details, like the APN and things like that, and just see if ... If 50 people call you to rent a house that you haven't bought yet, there's a pretty darn good chance you're gonna be okay. Jill:                          Exactly. Jack:                      Same thing with the sales in Craigslist. Jill:                          Yeah. Jack:                      You'll get an indicator real quick. If two people call you in three weeks, you want to run away. Jill:                          Right. Jack:                      Never have for sale property. Jill:                          Correct. Jack:                      If you have a question, or you want to be on the show, reach out to either one of us on landinvestors.com. Today's topic, the five stages of wealth. This is [inaudible 00:00:46] to the show. This is also a topic I wrote- Jill:                          Yeah. Jack:                      Because I don't think Jill would ever want any part of this. Jill:                          Well, I want to hear what your things are, and then I have something I want to add that what this made me think of. Jack:                      This came up because I wrote the outline the other day for a book that I'm going to release in about three months, called, "Wealth," or, "Your Wealth." I haven't titled it yet, but it's things that I wish as a young ... I'm not a young man any longer, but I wish someone would explain this to me when I was younger. Number one, here's my five, and then Jill's going to hopefully have some stuff to say, and maybe she'll debunk the whole thing. Number one, secure revenue source, i.e., get a job. All right, nothing's gonna happen unless you ... I don't care who you are, or what you are, unless you're a trust fund baby, you've got to secure an ongoing revenue source. In fact, now that I'm thinking about it, trust fund kids [crosstalk 00:01:47] have a built-in- Jill:                          Probably need it even more. Jack:                      They have a built-in revenue source, that's interest income or whatever. So, secure a revenue source, number one. Number two, remove any debt or don't accumulate, better yet, don't take on any unless it's business associated debt and you actually know how it's gonna go. Jill:                          So that's stage two. Jack:                      Number three ... The five stages, yeah. Begin to accumulate equity. There's two ways to do this, save the money, saving money from your revenue source that you have, your job. Or, number two, invest it, and turn it. Number two is how fortunes are made. Number one is how you live a lonely little life of savings. Jill:                          Yeah, right and under your mattress. Jack:                      Yeah. Number four, now you're accumulating- Jill:                          Step four, or stage four. Jack:                      Number four is, start to plan with this accumulated equity for your non-working years, or also known as, retirement. So, now you put your stock [inaudible 00:02:46] away and you're planning your exit. That's a whole stage that gets completely overlooked by the vast majority of people, even wealthy people. And finally, number five, which is my personal favorite, create a legacy revenue stream for people after you're gone. It may be in the form of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation,

How To Call An Interested Seller (CFFL 524) Transcript: Jack:                      Jack Butala with Jill DeWit. Jill:                          Hey there! Jack:                      Welcome to our show today. In this episode, Jill and I talk about how to call an interested seller back. Man, this is so important, and I'm looking forward to it, because I want to hear from the expert, Jill. Jill:                          Thank you very much. Jack:                      Before we get into it, let's take a question posted by one of our members on the LandInvestors.com online community, it's free. Jill:                          OK, this is a little bit lengthy one, so I'm gonna preface that. So, new member here, in our group, Shammgod. This is [inaudible 00:00:32], shares. "Agreed on my first deal today. I figure I'd post it here, just to write out my thought process and so that if I'm missing anything, someone will hopefully correct me. Details: Seller and his father are both on the deed. He sent me a copy. I couldn't locate it exactly on the map, but agreed on a price way below anything on the market." Jack:                      Red flag. Jill:                          "I talked to the recorder and they verified things, and talked to the treasurer and the taxes are good." Jack:                      This is good. Jill:                          "Next steps: getting them a contract. I'm planning on sending them a small deposit because I don't think it's valid without one." Jack:                      Not necessary. Jill:                          I would just say weird. "This is a small deal so I'm planning on doing title myself." Jack:                      Awesome. Jill:                          "I think that I need to get notaries for both the father and son because they live in different states." Jack:                      Yes. This is boring. Jill:                          It's distracting. Jack:                      It's distracting, am I stealing your thunder? Jill:                          Just a tad. Jack:                      It's sad? Jill:                          Just a tad. No, you are, like every time I take a breath. Jack:                      Are you sad today? Jill:                          It's like darn don't pause, Jack's gonna throw something in there. Jack:                      Jack you're sad. Jill:                          I'm not sad. Jack:                      Jack, you're a sad little real estate investor. Jill:                          I'm just trying to share a story. Can I just share a story? Alright, where was I? Jack:                      "My biggest question..." Jill:                          Oh shoot, no I'm sorry wait, I totally, as we say that I just lost my place. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Jack:                      "My biggest question..." Jill:                          OK, "my biggest" ... do you want to finish this? Jack:                      "My biggest question around title or having the notary hand them the cheque is-" Jill:                          Too bad. [inaudible 00:02:19] I want to be Jack, this is good. Jack:                      "My biggest question around title or having the notary hand them the cheque is, what if I mess something up on the deed and I find out afterward it wasn't done correctly?" Jill:                          Boo hoo. Jack:                      "The seller would have already had the money." Jill:                          Uh-oh. Jack:                      Oh my god, sound effects Jill. Jill:                          Well this is what it's like. Jack:                      "I feel like there's probably a step here where I should make sure this doesn't happen if we're using a title company. That's a ... you know ... but I'm not sure what it is." Jill:                          Alright, I'm taking back over. "What's the play there?

How Jill Hires Support Staff (CFFL 515) Transcript: Jack:                      Jack Butala with Jill DeWitt. Jill:                          Hi there. Jack:                      Welcome to our show today. In this episode, Jill and I talk about how Jill hires support staff. It sounds boring, but it's incredibly important. Jill:                          Oh, it's a process. Jack:                      Before we get into it, let's take a question posted by one of our members on the landinvestors.com online community. It's free. Jill:                          Okay. Christian asked, "Hey, everyone. I've been going over the program and listening to lots of podcasts and Thursday calls." Note from Jill, those are free right now to the public, FYI. "And I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that I don't know what I'm doing. I have almost no business experience and literally no real estate experience. I've signed a few leases, but that's it." Oh, that's okay. "Can you guys suggest some basic and accessible books, websites, YouTube channels, et cetera, that I can use to learn the basics of how real estate works? I'm more or less understanding most of what I'm reading and hearing here, but it's hard to get a handle on things without a basic framework of knowledge, so any help would be greatly appreciated." Aw, good stuff. Jack:                      Boy, I'll tell you, what a great question. The show and all of our written material covers all the details for every step of the way on how to get through your first acquisition sale, or your 16,000, I guess, which is what Jill and I are on, so it's really hard. We've all been standing exactly where you are. Everybody. Jill:                          You know what, you probably have everything at your finger tips, Christian, and it's just pushing the button kind of thing, you know, and just diving in, but you're already here, so you've kind of already done that, which is good. Jack:                      Anything else, you just take it step by step. Jill:                          Yep, and use us. Jack:                      Yeah. Jill:                          Yeah, and use our community. We were talking about this a few minutes ago. I know that we have the most helpful, considerate, by design, great group of individuals here that will, us included, help you every step of the way. So you get hung up on something? That's what landinvestors.com, that online community, is for. Go, any little question, like already I'm about to push the button on this. Am I missing anything? And everybody will weigh in and help you. Jack:                      Yeah. I mean, here's the basic steps. You target or pick an area where you want to send offers, blind offers. Step 2: You price the area and send the offers. We have the tools for all of this stuff every step of the way. Step 3: You field the calls, or hire somebody to field the calls, and then choose the offers, or the ones that you want to buy. You buy them, prep em for sale on the internet, and sell em, and I know I'm skipping along the top here, but again, all throughout our written materials and on our websites, you're gonna find the answers to all of this. Start at landinvestors.com and really ask this question, and I'd love to see, like Jill said, you have to really deconstruct- Jill:                          Do you know- Jack:                      It- Jill:                          Do you know what else? Jack:                      And model yourself after somebody who's really good at it, either us, or like, Luke Smith, or there's several other people, Tory Watson. There's a lot of other people in our group who are really, really successful. Jill:                          Well, I was gonna say too, Christian, you're not alone. Most individuals go over all the information more than one time, some, several times, so- Jack:                      Especially Chapter 5 in the program that we have,

Number One Reason People Fail (CFFL 450) Jack:                     Jack Butala with Jill DeWit. Jill:                        Good Day. Jack:                     Welcome to our show today. In this episode, Jill and I talk about the number one reason people fail. Jill:                        Okay, I have to say something. So ... Jack:                     We're not even into it yet! Jill:                        No, no, no ... I just have to say something about this real quick because my assistant was going, "what is the number one reason?" I'm like, where are you reading that? What are you talking about? She goes, no it's a show you have coming up. I'm like ... Oh, that's a really good question. I think I know what he's gonna say, but I don't know what he's gonna say. So I think ... I told her I'll let you know. Jack:                     Because God forbid she listens to the show. Jill:                        No I know. They usually don't listen to our show. That's what's so funny. Everybody that works here does not listen to our show. Jack:                     Everybody who works with us has no interest in real estate. Jill:                        I know. Jack:                     And doesn't listen to our show. Jill:                        Well she does interest in real estate. Jack:                     It's just funny. Jill:                        I know. Jack:                     I don't know why. Jill:                        It's hilarious. Okay. So, I think I'm going to quietly ... You know like you're writing when you cover your hand I'm gonna write what I think it's about and I want you to tell me what you think it's about. Jack:                     Before we get into it even though Jill just did. Let's take a question posted by one of our members on landinvenstors.com online community. It's free. Jill:                        Okay. Claire asks, "Is there any special way to frame offers to owners of multiple parcels in the same subdivision?" Jack:                     Claire I am so proud of you. You are one of our original members and you're just killin it. And this is yet another incredibly intelligent question from you. Yes, this is what we do. It gets complicated, but I will tell you for the more sophisticated database people out there that are in our group or not in our group doesn't matter this is how you do it ... In a whole subdivision we'll use a thousand property example. There's a thousand properties in a subdivision and let's say two people own, you know, a ton of them. Which this is a real life example. It happens all the time. Usually the people who own a ton of them are like Jill and I. So you don't want to waste fifty cents on sending duplicate offers at all. You never want to do that. So you run through the mail merge or you call somebody at offerstoowners.com, which is one of our companies. They'll do it for you. You run a mail merge that says ... With all the single property owners, right, and now you're done with that and you get the offers in the mail. And now what you have in the tech world or the database world is an exception. You deal with these exceptions at the end. And so if there's those two people that own a ton of properties ... If you're brand new or if you're new to data, you can manually just copy and paste them in or you can run a duplicate data base filter which creates a separate type of offer and now you're only spending fifty cents to send an offer and it adds it all up for you. Fifty properties, or eighty properties, or a hundred properties. So, Claire reach out to me. I'll help ya. We have a little custom application that we wrote a lot of years ago that we run the data through and it separates the two. It's on my list to share with everyone. Jill:                        I love it. This is so good. This is a really great example of how quickly you can go from flipping your first deal to this stuff.

“She was so positive, and that’s why we never knew anything was going wrong”To understand everything that was going on prior to Jill Well’s death her friends say you need to know about who she was and what she talked about in her most intimate moments with friends and family. With her faith playing a more and more important role in her life, those closest to her talk about the chasm forming in a marriage that ended with a gunshot her husband said was fired by the couple’s 6-year-old son.

They say hindsight is always 20/20. But in this case hindsight could mean the difference between an accident and murder. Years after her death, Jill Well’s sister convinced a new investigator to look into the case. He did all the work investigators didn’t do in 2001. Ballistics. Interviews. And, an autopsy. He was ready to ask his prime suspect “the ultimate question” when the investigation changed forever. What that new investigation uncovered, and what those involved think could still happen to change, who’s to BLAME.

Jack Butala: House Flipping v Land Flipping. Every Single month we give away a property for free. It's super simple to qualify. Two simple steps. Leave us your feedback for this podcast on iTunes and number two, get the free ebook at landacademy.com, you don't even have to read it. Thanks for listening. Jack: Jack Butala with Jill DeWit. Jill: Hi. Jack: Welcome to our show, today. In this episode, Jill and I talk about house [inaudible 00:00:06], house flipping versus land flipping and some of the differences and pros and cons. Here's a hint: they're both good. Before we get to it, let's take a question, posted by one of our members on Land Academy's free online community. Jill: Cool. How do I get to that free online community? Jack: LandAcademy.com. Jill: Okay, Chris asked, "What is the significance of capping the assessed value so low?" Chris is obviously in our world, so he knows to ask this question. "Is it not worth it to mail to the higher assessed properties?" Jack: One of the shows we did this week was called Mailer Yield. I think it was yesterday. What mailers yield better results? Jill: Right. Jack: Maybe it was Wednesday. Jill: Mm-hmm (affirmative). Jack: Happy Friday, by the way. Jill: Thank you. Happy Friday. Jack: The significance ... What we teach for beginning people is to take the bottom 20% of the assessed value this. Imagine this. Imagine a county, maybe the county that you live in. Now take all the property in that county, every single property, take out all the commercial real estate. Take out all the houses. Take out all the government owned land. Picture it in your head. Now you're left with vacant property, vacant, unimproved property. Now take all the properties out that aren't five acres, or let's just say we're going to send a mailer in that county of all the vacant property that's between five and eight acres. Jill: Okay. Jack: All right. Now, take the bottom ... They have an assessed value between a million dollars and ten dollars. You want the bottom 20% only, because you want to send letters out that are undervalue, really under value, like 40% of what they're worth, maybe less, so the strike percentage on that lower value property's going to be better. Does that make sense? Jill: Yeah. Jack: This is imperative. If you do not do this, the first time out, and you don't hit your numbers, like we talk about. For every hundred vacant properties that you send out, your going to buy one. For every 2,000 offers you send on houses, you're going to buy one. You will not achieve those percentages if you don't do it in the bottom 20% of assessed value. Jill: Right. Well, like Jack said, you gave a range. You know, am I going to send an offer to someone with a property with a half a million assessed value? No, and offering a couple thousand? That's not realistic. You're being realistic, too. Jack: Five acres in the middle of a city, that's completely unimproved is assessed way differently than five acres in a very rural area. Jill: Exactly. Jack: You want the five acres in the rural area in the beginning. The second part of his question is, "Is it not worth is to mail higher assessed value properties?" Heck, yes. Go ahead anddo that. Your strike percentage is going to be less. I've even done this on accident before ... Jill: It's true. Jack: ... and we bought property. Jill: Yeah, I mean it's true. I have bought property for ... Gosh, the guy paid twenty-something thousand for it, tried to sell it for forty-something thousand for it. I bought it for $1,900. I mean, come on. Jack: That's right. I bought huge acreage properties in really urban areas at our prices. Jill: Accidentally. Jack: When you're a little bit more established in your career, and your real comfortable with the mechanics of buying property and the whole thing, absolutely, start going over to some of the ... Go after some of those kahunas. Jill: Well,

Jack Butala: House Flipping v Land Flipping. Every Single month we give away a property for free. It's super simple to qualify. Two simple steps. Leave us your feedback for this podcast on iTunes and number two, get the free ebook at landacademy.com, you don't even have to read it. Thanks for listening. Jack: Jack Butala with Jill DeWit. Jill: Hi. Jack: Welcome to our show, today. In this episode, Jill and I talk about house [inaudible 00:00:06], house flipping versus land flipping and some of the differences and pros and cons. Here's a hint: they're both good. Before we get to it, let's take a question, posted by one of our members on Land Academy's free online community. Jill: Cool. How do I get to that free online community? Jack: LandAcademy.com. Jill: Okay, Chris asked, "What is the significance of capping the assessed value so low?" Chris is obviously in our world, so he knows to ask this question. "Is it not worth it to mail to the higher assessed properties?" Jack: One of the shows we did this week was called Mailer Yield. I think it was yesterday. What mailers yield better results? Jill: Right. Jack: Maybe it was Wednesday. Jill: Mm-hmm (affirmative). Jack: Happy Friday, by the way. Jill: Thank you. Happy Friday. Jack: The significance ... What we teach for beginning people is to take the bottom 20% of the assessed value this. Imagine this. Imagine a county, maybe the county that you live in. Now take all the property in that county, every single property, take out all the commercial real estate. Take out all the houses. Take out all the government owned land. Picture it in your head. Now you're left with vacant property, vacant, unimproved property. Now take all the properties out that aren't five acres, or let's just say we're going to send a mailer in that county of all the vacant property that's between five and eight acres. Jill: Okay. Jack: All right. Now, take the bottom ... They have an assessed value between a million dollars and ten dollars. You want the bottom 20% only, because you want to send letters out that are undervalue, really under value, like 40% of what they're worth, maybe less, so the strike percentage on that lower value property's going to be better. Does that make sense? Jill: Yeah. Jack: This is imperative. If you do not do this, the first time out, and you don't hit your numbers, like we talk about. For every hundred vacant properties that you send out, your going to buy one. For every 2,000 offers you send on houses, you're going to buy one. You will not achieve those percentages if you don't do it in the bottom 20% of assessed value. Jill: Right. Well, like Jack said, you gave a range. You know, am I going to send an offer to someone with a property with a half a million assessed value? No, and offering a couple thousand? That's not realistic. You're being realistic, too. Jack: Five acres in the middle of a city, that's completely unimproved is assessed way differently than five acres in a very rural area. Jill: Exactly. Jack: You want the five acres in the rural area in the beginning. The second part of his question is, "Is it not worth is to mail higher assessed value properties?" Heck, yes. Go ahead anddo that. Your strike percentage is going to be less. I've even done this on accident before ... Jill: It's true. Jack: ... and we bought property. Jill: Yeah, I mean it's true. I have bought property for ... Gosh, the guy paid twenty-something thousand for it, tried to sell it for forty-something thousand for it. I bought it for $1,900. I mean, come on. Jack: That's right. I bought huge acreage properties in really urban areas at our prices. Jill: Accidentally. Jack: When you're a little bit more established in your career, and your real comfortable with the mechanics of buying property and the whole thing, absolutely, start going over to some of the ... Go after some of those kahunas. Jill: Well,

Less than 24-hours after Jill Well’s death, the case into her shooting was closed. No one performed an autopsy, no ballistics testing was done and no one conducted formal interviews of the last three people to see her alive, her husband Mike and their 2 young sons. Investigators seemed to accept without question Mike Wells account of the story, that his 6-year-old son Tanner pulled the trigger. For years, dozens of people have carried a nagging doubt about that story, including 9Wants to Know investigative reporter Kevin Vaughan.

3 Reasons We all Need a Great Land Engineer Jack Butala: 3 Reasons We all Need a Great Land Engineer. Every Single month we give away a property for free. It's super simple to qualify. Two simple steps. Leave us your feedback for this podcast on iTunes and number two, get the free ebook at landacademy.com, you don't even have to read it. Thanks for listening. Steve: Jack Butala here for Land Academy. Welcome to our Cash Flow for the Land show. In this episode Jill and I talk about the 3 reasons we all need a great land engineer. Here's a prelude. To make great and timely acquisitions decisions, that's number one. Create top notch pictures and maps and maybe most importantly, to call out presentation quality attributes in the property that you buy. You know how professional people see stuff that we don't sometimes see? Jill: Mm-hmm (affirmative) I do. Steve: I love this. Jill, I love quality map engineering. I think it's one of the focal points that makes or breaks a good operation. Before we get into the details let's hear a question from a caller. Jill: Sure. Okay, Fred from Indianapolis called in and asked, "I've been listening for awhile now and I'm looking for my cabin lot to retire. How can this help me?" He is ... we have a couple of people that are ... Steve: Yeah, we do. Jill: ... About our program and listening and learning this to be able to do that. Steve: Can I answer this? Jill: Yeah. Steve: We get enough calls and questions from people who don't really want to start real estate companies like our members now. They just want exactly what this caller wants, they want to really get a great deal on a primary residence or a property to build a cabin on at any point in their life. Hey Fred, don't wait for us. Jill and I have decided we are going to do an educational program that's very specifically for people who just want to do one or two deals. A way scaled down version of how to do a mailer and things like that. Don't wait for us to complete that, because lord knows it's kind of far down on the list of programs that we're ... upon request programs that Jill and I are creating. Yes, the answer is heck yes. When you really do the math, the price of the education and the price of the data to implement what you're talking about will save you times ten. Jill: That's true. Steve: If you save $10,000 and our stuff is way less expensive than that, but I'm just using that number. If you implement our program and you buy a lot of $10,000 less than you expected, I mean ... Jill: You've won. Steve: Like times 5, it's 5 times more than the education costs. Jill: Exactly. Steve: If you do it the way we suggest that you do it, you're more likely going to save $20-$30-$40,000. Jill: What I love, too, is I have had a number of people that said, "Wait a minute, so here's what I did, I had 4 lots in the area that really piqued my interest, so I bought all 4. I'm living on this one, I put my cabin on this one, I sold the other 3 and guess what, it paid for it times ... and then some!" I'm like, "Brilliant!" Then they're out, they're happy. Steve: Then you're not retired anymore, because this is your new business. Jill: Well, you could keep going, that's true. Steve: You realize how easy it is and how little time it takes after you know what you're doing. After the learning curve. Jill: Yeah, after you do a couple of deals, you're right. You get into it and it's not hard. You could just sit. In his situation you could just sit and wait for the home runs to land in your lap and only act on those. Steve: Yeah, we have members who do that all the time. "I want to make $10,000 on every deal I do and I don't need to do a lot of deals." So they let the little ones go. Jill: Exactly. Steve: They feed them to the rest our community on success plans. Jill: Kind of like I do sometimes. Steve: We have a deal board. We have this thing called Deal Board for our members...

3 Reasons We all Need a Great Land Engineer Jack Butala: 3 Reasons We all Need a Great Land Engineer. Every Single month we give away a property for free. It's super simple to qualify. Two simple steps. Leave us your feedback for this podcast on iTunes and number two, get the free ebook at landacademy.com, you don't even have to read it. Thanks for listening. Steve: Jack Butala here for Land Academy. Welcome to our Cash Flow for the Land show. In this episode Jill and I talk about the 3 reasons we all need a great land engineer. Here's a prelude. To make great and timely acquisitions decisions, that's number one. Create top notch pictures and maps and maybe most importantly, to call out presentation quality attributes in the property that you buy. You know how professional people see stuff that we don't sometimes see? Jill: Mm-hmm (affirmative) I do. Steve: I love this. Jill, I love quality map engineering. I think it's one of the focal points that makes or breaks a good operation. Before we get into the details let's hear a question from a caller. Jill: Sure. Okay, Fred from Indianapolis called in and asked, "I've been listening for awhile now and I'm looking for my cabin lot to retire. How can this help me?" He is ... we have a couple of people that are ... Steve: Yeah, we do. Jill: ... About our program and listening and learning this to be able to do that. Steve: Can I answer this? Jill: Yeah. Steve: We get enough calls and questions from people who don't really want to start real estate companies like our members now. They just want exactly what this caller wants, they want to really get a great deal on a primary residence or a property to build a cabin on at any point in their life. Hey Fred, don't wait for us. Jill and I have decided we are going to do an educational program that's very specifically for people who just want to do one or two deals. A way scaled down version of how to do a mailer and things like that. Don't wait for us to complete that, because lord knows it's kind of far down on the list of programs that we're ... upon request programs that Jill and I are creating. Yes, the answer is heck yes. When you really do the math, the price of the education and the price of the data to implement what you're talking about will save you times ten. Jill: That's true. Steve: If you save $10,000 and our stuff is way less expensive than that, but I'm just using that number. If you implement our program and you buy a lot of $10,000 less than you expected, I mean ... Jill: You've won. Steve: Like times 5, it's 5 times more than the education costs. Jill: Exactly. Steve: If you do it the way we suggest that you do it, you're more likely going to save $20-$30-$40,000. Jill: What I love, too, is I have had a number of people that said, "Wait a minute, so here's what I did, I had 4 lots in the area that really piqued my interest, so I bought all 4. I'm living on this one, I put my cabin on this one, I sold the other 3 and guess what, it paid for it times ... and then some!" I'm like, "Brilliant!" Then they're out, they're happy. Steve: Then you're not retired anymore, because this is your new business. Jill: Well, you could keep going, that's true. Steve: You realize how easy it is and how little time it takes after you know what you're doing. After the learning curve. Jill: Yeah, after you do a couple of deals, you're right. You get into it and it's not hard. You could just sit. In his situation you could just sit and wait for the home runs to land in your lap and only act on those. Steve: Yeah, we have members who do that all the time. "I want to make $10,000 on every deal I do and I don't need to do a lot of deals." So they let the little ones go. Jill: Exactly. Steve: They feed them to the rest our community on success plans. Jill: Kind of like I do sometimes. Steve: We have a deal board. We have this thing called Deal Board for our members...

Two Ways to Raise Money Jack Butala: Two Ways to Raise Money. Every Single month we give away a property for free. It's super simple to qualify. Two simple steps. Leave us your feedback for this podcast on iTunes and number two, get the free ebook at landacademy.com, you don't even have to read it. Thanks for listening. Steve: Jack Butala here for Land Academy. Welcome to our Cash Flow from Land show. In this episode, Jill and I talk about the 2 ways to raise money. You can raise it with debt or raise it with equity. Or you can do it our way which I'm going to explain in great detail, which is spending your way to the top. Jill and I've done it. I love money, Jill. Jill: Mm-hmm (affirmative). Steve: I love this topic. Jill: I know you do. Steve: This is gonna be a blast. Jill: You just like seeing zeros on on a piece of paper. It's not like you need the green cash. Steve: No, it has nothing to do with need it's just a game. Jill: I know. At some point it does become just a number on a screen. Steve: Plus when the other people are winning too it's just great. Jill: Mm-hmm (affirmative). Steve: I mean teaching, when we're teaching. Before we do this let's, as always, take a question from a caller. Jill: Sure. Okay. Steve: Maybe we should do the phone number. Jill: I could do the phone number. You mean the 888-735-5045, that number? Steve: Yeah, that number. Jill: Are you sure? Let me make sure I got it right. I have 888-735-5045. Steve: That's the number. Jill: Oh good. Steve: So you can call that number and leave a message with a question and if you're actually an interesting person, we'll have you on the show. Jill: You know what else? As we're recording right now it's the end of the month. Well, it's actually the beginning of the next month and we are doing drawing. So get in, rate this show on iTunes and get in the drawing. Got to download the free eBook, rate the show and then you will automatically be in the drawing for a free property. We do it every month. Thank you. Okay, back to our question. Manny from London. I had to ask, is there really a Manny in London? Steven said that he's heard of that. Steve: Oh yeah. Jill: So Manny from London called in and asked, "Can you do this from other places?" Can you do this in other places? I wonder if he means ... I'm assuming he means where he is, not ... Steve: Yeah, it could be a lot of stuff, because I'm really surprised by this Jill, you and I have talked about it. We send education material and data subscriptions all over the world. Jill: Mm-hmm (affirmative). [00:02:21] Steve: List the places that you can think of that we've ... Where we have sent education . Jill: Italy, Belgium, England, Japan ... Steve: Japan and Singapore. Jill: We did it to Singapore. We have- Steve: Canada several times. Jill: Yeah, lots of Canada. Steve: I don't think South America yet. Jill: I don't think I have any ... Well, I have Mexico. Steve: You send to Mexico? Jill: Well, I have a percent- I think it ended in Mexico. Steve: Trinidad. Jill: Oh yeah, yeah. Trinidad, that's right. All over. It's really cool. Steve: So- Go ahead. Jill: Because we give them the tools that they- and teach them how to do this from anywhere, so you go ahead. Steve: There's 2 parts to this question. I think what he might be saying is, "Does it work in England?" Jill: Oh. Steve: Or can I do it from England in America and do it with American property? Those are- Jill: Different questions. Steve: Yeah. The answer is, this program works, in my opinion, on every type of asset. I've done it with hospitals, long term care facilities, I've done it with apartment buildings, all that. Jill: Mm-hmm (affirmative). Steve: I've done it with real estate listings to get real estate listings. I haven't done it but I helped somebody do that. Jill: Mm-hmm (affirmative). Steve: Yeah,

Two Ways to Raise Money Jack Butala: Two Ways to Raise Money. Every Single month we give away a property for free. It's super simple to qualify. Two simple steps. Leave us your feedback for this podcast on iTunes and number two, get the free ebook at landacademy.com, you don't even have to read it. Thanks for listening. Steve: Jack Butala here for Land Academy. Welcome to our Cash Flow from Land show. In this episode, Jill and I talk about the 2 ways to raise money. You can raise it with debt or raise it with equity. Or you can do it our way which I'm going to explain in great detail, which is spending your way to the top. Jill and I've done it. I love money, Jill. Jill: Mm-hmm (affirmative). Steve: I love this topic. Jill: I know you do. Steve: This is gonna be a blast. Jill: You just like seeing zeros on on a piece of paper. It's not like you need the green cash. Steve: No, it has nothing to do with need it's just a game. Jill: I know. At some point it does become just a number on a screen. Steve: Plus when the other people are winning too it's just great. Jill: Mm-hmm (affirmative). Steve: I mean teaching, when we're teaching. Before we do this let's, as always, take a question from a caller. Jill: Sure. Okay. Steve: Maybe we should do the phone number. Jill: I could do the phone number. You mean the 888-735-5045, that number? Steve: Yeah, that number. Jill: Are you sure? Let me make sure I got it right. I have 888-735-5045. Steve: That's the number. Jill: Oh good. Steve: So you can call that number and leave a message with a question and if you're actually an interesting person, we'll have you on the show. Jill: You know what else? As we're recording right now it's the end of the month. Well, it's actually the beginning of the next month and we are doing drawing. So get in, rate this show on iTunes and get in the drawing. Got to download the free eBook, rate the show and then you will automatically be in the drawing for a free property. We do it every month. Thank you. Okay, back to our question. Manny from London. I had to ask, is there really a Manny in London? Steven said that he's heard of that. Steve: Oh yeah. Jill: So Manny from London called in and asked, "Can you do this from other places?" Can you do this in other places? I wonder if he means ... I'm assuming he means where he is, not ... Steve: Yeah, it could be a lot of stuff, because I'm really surprised by this Jill, you and I have talked about it. We send education material and data subscriptions all over the world. Jill: Mm-hmm (affirmative). [00:02:21] Steve: List the places that you can think of that we've ... Where we have sent education . Jill: Italy, Belgium, England, Japan ... Steve: Japan and Singapore. Jill: We did it to Singapore. We have- Steve: Canada several times. Jill: Yeah, lots of Canada. Steve: I don't think South America yet. Jill: I don't think I have any ... Well, I have Mexico. Steve: You send to Mexico? Jill: Well, I have a percent- I think it ended in Mexico. Steve: Trinidad. Jill: Oh yeah, yeah. Trinidad, that's right. All over. It's really cool. Steve: So- Go ahead. Jill: Because we give them the tools that they- and teach them how to do this from anywhere, so you go ahead. Steve: There's 2 parts to this question. I think what he might be saying is, "Does it work in England?" Jill: Oh. Steve: Or can I do it from England in America and do it with American property? Those are- Jill: Different questions. Steve: Yeah. The answer is, this program works, in my opinion, on every type of asset. I've done it with hospitals, long term care facilities, I've done it with apartment buildings, all that. Jill: Mm-hmm (affirmative). Steve: I've done it with real estate listings to get real estate listings. I haven't done it but I helped somebody do that. Jill: Mm-hmm (affirmative). Steve: Yeah,

Couples Therapy Here We Come (CFFL 0070) Jack Butala: Couples Therapy Here We Come. Every Single month we give away a property for free. It's super simple to qualify. Two simple steps. Leave us your feedback for this podcast on iTunes and number two, get the free ebook at landacademy.com, you don't even have to read it. Thanks for listening. Steve:                   Hey, Jack Butala here for Land Academy. Welcome to our cash flow from land show. In this episode, Jill and I talk about our relationship, not because I want to at all, but people keep asking us about it, so I am going to use the show to answer some questions in the hopes that they discontinue. Jill:                          I would like to know, first of all, this title cracks me up. Couples therapy, here we come. That was great. Who's asking? I don't get those questions. Steve:                   Really? Jill:                          Well, I shouldn't say that. I do get some, but no one asks me out right, they kind of dance around it and then I don't acknowledge it. Steve:                   That's what I'm talking about. You've probably had a lot of practice at that by now. Jill:                          I am very good at that. Steve:                   No, I write these titles and if you've ever listened to this show, I write the titles and they have nothing to do with the show at all. The title is just designed to get the to click the play button or listen button. Jill:                          I really don't want to have to get into all this. Steve:                   I'm just joking. Jill:                          Oh my gosh. You are the best person I have ever worked with ever. Steve:                   What? Jill:                          No, I mean that. Steve:                   You're trying to get out of going to therapy by being nice. Jill:                          Totally, just kidding. There's no therapy in our future. Steve:                   I know, there's no therapy. This show was actually ... Well, go ahead and keep complimenting me. Jill:                          Here's how I take this show, I take this show as just funny play on words/talking about working with a partner, a business partner, and not the pros and cons, but the ups and downs and why a business partner keeps you in line sometimes, well at least for me, and reminds me the things that I'm good at, the things that I'm not good at, what to focus on sometimes, what to outsource, let it go, and so I look at it about things like that. Steve:                   I think there's been a lot of points along the way, we kind of hit on this last week, it stuck with me for some reason, I don't even think you remember saying it, but when there are rough times, we've been so lucky, there's been so few. When there's rough times, you just have to kind of sit there and say "This is just a little thing." We're all going in the same direction and we'll work it out. That's always the case. I think there's few systematic things that we've put in place in the last few months that really, really make this really click and work. Having separate offices works for me, taking separate cars to work to our office, a lot of things like that just keep us a little more separate and professional when we're here than in the social part of our life. Jill:                          Exactly. Steve:                   Sometimes Jill falls asleep during a podcast. Jill:                          Oh, that happens. Steve:                   She is right now. Jill:                          Jill loses interest very quickly. That's a whole other one, that's a funny topic about- Steve:                   I can tell when you're bored with something right away, I mean immediately. Jill:                          You can see my eyes gloss over? Steve:                   Just yeah, you're thinking about something else, that actually just happened.