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Fantastic Four: First Steps Is this, the 4th attempt at bringing the Marvel Universe‘s “First Family” to the big screen actually as fantastic as it purports to be? Well, we have finally settled on a look and feel that best suits the classic super hero squad: and it’s ‘60s Retro-futurism all the way for one and all!!! It’s a whole new universe of Marvel stories starring Omni-daddy Pedro Pascal, serving C&%t Vanessa Kirby, Joseph “i’m on fire!” Quinn and Ebon Moss Bacharach (or baccarat as Quinny thinks he’s called) as the truly Fantastic Four! In this film we kick of Marvel‘s Phase 6 and usher in a new style and direction of storytelling, but is it actually good?  Listen in and find out! 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What time is it?  Speaker 3  What time is it?  Speaker 6  Blame on us? Yeah, it’s it’s.  Speaker 3  Fun it’s it’s podcasting time.  Dion  Butter in time. Wait, that doesn’t quite work. I don’t know. And right now, Pete, which she was invisible. Yeah. Yeah, well done.  Speaker 6  oh  Speaker 3  Sorry.  Quinny  Very well done. I love the feeling now, really. She’s.  Dion  Hold on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Embrace hope. She’s yeah, probably. Still there. Can you hear?  Jill  Really gone. Just gone.  Dion  Us in the void.  Peta  I’m invisible. I’m not silent.  Speaker  Yeah. Yes.  Dion  That’s true. They didn’t use that enough in the film. I don’t think they’re just having Sue just kind of being like, what are you guys talking about and freaking people out because, you know, I do, if I were the Invisible Man.  Jill  Yeah, she’s not seen, not heard woman.  Dion  Yeah, not seen, not heard. Wow. Hello. Back after a week. Off. Off. Yeah, yeah. Small, small break.  Quinny  Wow. Hey, I said, everybody feeling enthused and like, upbeat and stuff.  Jill  It was nice. To have a little break to be honest.  Dion  Yeah, yeah, I hate those months with the five Tuesdays. What? What weirdness is that ********? And now? Ohh, it’s it’s gone. You’ve gone all glowy and.  Peta  Yeah, I’ve, I’ve. I’ve smudged the camera so.  Quinny  And ohh well. Yeah, I know. She’s she’s actually doing the exact effect from the movie where it’s just a little.  Jill  Yeah, yeah. The Vaseline lens. Yeah.  Speaker 3  Bit of.  Quinny  Now, now pets. No.  Dion  Can I stretch my hand over here?  Quinny  Pun. Serve absolute can’t with your face while you.  Jill  Do that. Yeah, there it is.  Dion  There you go. Perfect.  Speaker 3  And now I’m going to do some cooking, OK?  Dion  Ohh dear and you know what I hope for everyone. Hello to everyone in the chat mainly for. I hope you all got to do the home.  Speaker  Hey.  Dion  Work.  Jill  Yeah. Did everyone enjoy the movie? I.  Dion  This particular day.  Quinny  Mean I could. See it? Yeah, Tari looks like that. She hasn’t seen it yet. She’s saying that she that please be good. Ohh. Interesting.  Speaker  Oh.  Speaker 6  Ohh.  Dion  Fascinating. What?  Jill  Yeah.  Dion  Look. Yeah, we Fantastic Four has been out since last Thursday. Officially, we saw it last week which? Was quite fun.  Jill  Yeah, there’s even some early screenings on Wednesday for the public.  Dion  Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It’s out. It’s part of Marvel’s Phase 266.  Quinny  Yep. First film of Save 6. First film of, say Phase 6. God, that’s.  Speaker 6  Dion  Why couldn’t have made it the first film of Phase 4?  Quinny  Because that was quite some time.  Dion  And then it. Would have been. Ago. Right. OK. Look, the fourth attempt at the Fantastic Fours and I I include in that the the 1994. 1. Which was never released except IS is is hovered around. Yes, there was a 1994 one.  Jill  That would make this the 5th 1 then.  Dion  Yeah. No, no, it’s it’s, it’s, I say this as in the fourth go at it because there were two with the same cast. So you have the, yeah.  Speaker 6  Ohh OK.  Dion  What are you talking about? This is. Our fourth thing. We have had, yes, it’s the fourth thing, you know, Michael Chiklis did a great job getting covered in rubber.  Quinny  That is true, Yep.  Peta  Yeah.  Dion  You know, and then you know, we’re up to this one.  Jill  Can’t remember the other guy.  Quinny  That’s gonna get off in the life. And remember who played the thing in Fan 4? Stick. Ohh my.  Dion  God fan 4 stick.  Jill  I know.  Quinny  That was, that’s what it’s called.  Jill  Fan Fant Fant 4 stick.  Quinny  I don’t know, but I I just.  Jill  Yeah, I think that a was in the. Middle not at the start.  Quinny  Ohh OK, I just call it fan 4 stick because it’s it’s easier to say.  Dion  Ohh, that’s right, it’s Jamie Bell.  Quinny  Ohh God that’s.  Dion  Right, you remember.  Speaker 2  Whoops.  Quinny  He was the young.  Dion  Billy Elliot.  Speaker 3  Yes.  Quinny  And and the young, chipper guy out of of the first king or the the King Kong movie that Peter Jackson did.  Dion  And he was also tin tin. But that was who made.  Quinny  It so not really who you would think. Yeah, would fit in a giant thing.  Jill  Memorable.  Dion  That he was the. Thing, yes.  Quinny  And Karina makes a good point, a arresting piece to Julian McMahon, who was the 1st Doctor Doom actually. Sorry, 2nd Doctor Doom.  Speaker  Yeah. Yeah.  Dion  Yes, because there was a doom.  Jill  I did rewatch the 2005 version on the weekend just for a bit of nostalgia. Yeah, I like those trashy ones. They’re great. They’re so campy and stupid.  Speaker  Did you?  Quinny  What did you think of it?  Speaker  Yeah.  Jill  And I look back on them. And I’m like, wow, the simpler times where we did comic book films. And we really, really did make them comic bookie.  Speaker  Yeah, man. Yeah.  Dion  And finally.  Jill  Well, we weren’t going. For all of the realism and stuff.  Quinny  Yeah. And they didn’t have to fit in with some. Gigantic *******. Thing.  Jill  I will tell you practical effects. Thing I don’t know I like. Yeah, CGI 1 is like that, feels like. A cheap cop out.  Quinny  Right. OK. OK. Fine, no suit.  Jill  With balls on it and not put in. Any effort and? Just animate it.  Quinny  You know what?  Dion  Wait, do you mean wait?  Peta  The fine effort.  Jill  Hey, it’s a different kind of effort. I’m like, let’s get our hands dirty and make a ******* stinky suit out of foam expanding. Foam or something like that and. Of course, some lung disease. Let’s get into.  Dion  I’m I’m going to like, I’m just going to take it on part of the actors there. Sometimes I’m just going to be like, yeah, maybe they don’t.  Jill  It.  Quinny  This is Jeff.  Dion  Want that? Maybe they don’t want to spend 16 hours in a makeup chair to to to do. Yeah.  Speaker 6  As a cosplayer, I I would agree, but I would also disagree because I think it would be fun to make it.  Dion  Sure. I mean ultimately it’ll be that great thing of like they make someone do that and then they just go oh.  Quinny  I’m. I’m just.  Dion  We’re just gonna CGI it.  Quinny  Well, The thing is, there was a there was a lot of the thing in this one that was actually practical. Like there’s quite believe it or not, there’s there’s shots that they hired a a pretty big wrestler to be the body for it. So on set. A lot of the time there was a practical suit, dude of roughly the right size. Is.  Jill  So we’re not talking about a guy that’s just standing in there in a green zentai.  Quinny  No, I mean when when they’re doing it with Evan Moss, Baccarat, then he was in the uh, whatever the **** he said. Backup, backup, backtrack.  Dion  Doctor rap. No. Baccarat. That’s a.  Quinny  Alright.  Dion  Game I know.  Quinny  Dion  Know you’re in a casino in Monte. Carlo yes, guys.  Quinny  Anyway, when he was on set, yeah, they they had this entire certain stuff like that. But there were quite a lot of it that was shot any time they needed, like a wide shot and everything. They actually had a dude in a suit with the. Ohh head and everything. Cool. Alright. Yeah, I’ve I’ve seen the the pictures of that, but I’ve also in the chat just put a link to the 1994 one and the thing in that Jill, you would love that one because the the suit actually looks more like the comic book character than any of the others have.  Jill  I love the terrifying dead. Eyes.  Speaker 3  I know.  Dion  I mean, it’s great. It’s yeah, it’s very thingy.  Jill  That’s. Yeah, that’s.  Speaker 6  Look at that thingy over there. That thingy.  Dion  Yeah, that, that, that is definitely something I’d go. What is that thing? If I saw it in a in a thing?  Jill  With that young man with fake grey sideburns.  Quinny  I know, right?  Dion  Yeah. Hey guys. I’m trying hard here, Joe. What?  Quinny  Honestly, if you could find that film. Like this. This is I love this one because my my thing with Fantastic Four it it started with this film because I was one of those ******* nerds who heard that there was a film that got made and was never released. So I then went and hunted.  Speaker  For.  Quinny  It and I, you know, back in the days of VHS trading, got somebody to send me a *******. VHS of this film that had never been released, and I’ve watched it. It’s terrible, but it’s actually got a lot of, like, it’s trying really hard.  Jill  And. Nice.  Quinny  To do all of the things that are fantastic, four movie should do just with no budget. Hmm. So yeah, like it’s got Doctor Doom. It’s got the mole, man. It’s it’s got them all doing their powers. But like Reed, stretchy arms are like pool noodles with a with a *******. A glove on the end.  Jill  I mean that’s still image alone is giving vibes of like 70s Italian Spiderman.  Dion  Yes, got a bit of that. I mean, you’ve gotta. What’s what’s the what’s the the crossover slash league like the Marvel Group, you know, secret wars thing. It’s the 1989 Punisher. Dolph Lundgren. It’s the the Captain America film. It’s the Fantastic Four film.  Quinny  Hmm.  Dion  You know, it’s all of those ones Pre Marvel Universe. Mashed together. And you’re like, what is this strain? ******* place, but we don’t. Here, we’re in a different, strange place this time. We’re in much more budget, some bigger names and some.  Quinny  Yeah.  Dion  Finally, they sort of kind of got people who give a ****. Quinny  Yeah, yeah.  Dion  About doing something fun.  Quinny  Yeah.  Jill  And that’s nice. Surprising what you’re going to accomplish when you put in some time and effort.  Speaker  Yeah, isn’t it?  Dion  Isn’t it’s kind of like oh.  Quinny  And when you? And when you’ve had three goes at it before and gotten it wrong three times. You kind of go. Well, **** it. We’re gonna hold off on this one because, I mean, Fantastic Four has always been seen as Marvel’s first family. Like, you know, they’re they’re one of the very earliest Marvel superhero groups. And you know, we’re what, 40, you know, 39 films in now something.  Speaker 5  Sure.  Dion  More, I don’t know 112 where 112 films in now. That’s how many there are. I I won’t be fact checked.  Quinny  And we’ve, yeah, and now we’ve just introduced the very first Fantastic Four stuff. So yeah, it’s it’s an interesting one. I mean, obviously they were tied up in rights for. A long time.  Dion  But yeah, I mean. Look, it’s fine. We’re just going to ignore the rest of those fan 4 test. Stick, whatever it is.  Quinny  Can’t ignore them.  Dion  We have to stick, then forget stick. That’s what I. Yeah, we’re gonna ignore that.  Quinny  Not. The autistic fans.  Dion  We’re going to, we’re going to ignore that. Michael B Jordan, he’s also Johnny Storm. Yes, I know, right. No, he’s not Killmonger. He’s definitely Johnny storm. We’re also going to ignore that Captain America.  Quinny  Ohh yeah yeah, he was one of them.  Speaker  Yeah.  Jill  Was also Johnny Storm and Captain America.  Dion  Was also. Stone. Yeah. Yes, exactly. We’re going to ignore all of those things and focus very.  Speaker  Yeah.  Dion  Much in Comic Daddy and his family and Pedro Pascal’s not not happy just being space Daddy, Apocalypse Daddy and General General Daddy.  Jill  Yeah. Thanks, daddy.  Dion  Now he’s also comic Daddy.  Quinny  Hmm.  Speaker  Yeah.  Dion  Yeah, along with.  Quinny  Is there anything he can’t, daddy?  Dion  You know what? Hollywood will not let him. Not daddy something. He’s in there now forever. Like. Yeah, he will just. He will just keep doing it until everyone collectively gets sick of him. And I’ll be able to return to an anonymity.  Quinny  Hmm. I just realized it is the summer of Pedro, it’s.  Jill  Summer picture.  Dion  Yeah.  Speaker  Been just realized.  Dion  Multiple summers.  Quinny  It was another ******* attempted Fantastic Four.  Dion  Oh. Have you? Yes, grey tailed.  Quinny  Well, technically. There was another Reed Richards. Ohh John Krasinski but that.  Jill  Yes. Yeah, that’s right.  Dion  That’s in Multiverse of Madness, which is so the. But that’s not the Fantastic Four.  Quinny  Yes, from. Marvel Universe. He’s one of the breeds.  Jill  He was. He’s Mr. fantastic.  Dion  Is he though?  Jill  Yes.  Quinny  He’s Mr. spaghetti by the end of. It but anyway.  Dion  Yeah, like I mean, yeah, that’s just on film, but it it, it wasn’t the Fantastic Four and this is what we want to focus on. It’s about these group of people and. How they’re represented in cinema? Yeah. What you’re not.  Jill  Capturing in the audio is our eye rolls.  Quinny  Massive massive eye roll.  Dion  Come on.  Quinny  Beyond wiping away John Krasinski from the from the entire multiverse of of anything, and we’re all going. No, no, no.  Jill  Yeah, that’s because they don’t. Can’t do a convincing cosplay of John Krasinski’s Mr. Fantastic. You can only do the Pedro.  Dion  No, I cannot.  Jill  Dion  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, and if you squint, the Ian Crawford one.  Speaker 6  You’re clean shaven for that one.  Quinny  I’ve just had an eye. Yeah, my eyes are not that ******* blind.  Dion  OK, then fine. I’ll go with this one if this. If he’s part of the Fantastic Four Canon, you need to cast the other three members of the Fantastic Four in those universes. Who is it going?  Jill  That’s true. OK. Oh my God. Yeah. Can we come back to this at the?  Dion  No immediate. OK. We’ll give you time. Time. Yeah, time.  Jill  End of the show. We’ll be here for 15.  Dion  Minutes. Yeah. Yeah. So if if if John Krasinski’s Mr. Fantastic and chat go and throw some something we.  Quinny  Man. Need to sleep? Yeah.  Speaker 6  ******* Emily Blunt. I would go. Emily Blunt force.  Jill  Storm.  Quinny  **** yeah. Yep, Yep. You down to?  Dion  That yeah, Karina, just like gonna get to the. Synopsis yet guys.  Speaker  Yeah.  Peta  You know, keep getting pushed.  Speaker  Push.  Speaker 6  Push by the chat. Let’s go.  Speaker 2  Yeah, that’s a wow.  Quinny  I’m being bullied by the test.  Peta  This film about.  Quinny  What is this film about it? No, I’m not gonna. I’m not gonna do the synopsis now because I’ve been told. I have to.  Jill  No. Ohh yes.  Speaker 6  Jesus.  Dion  Christ.  Jill  That sounds like me energy.  Dion  Peta  Settling into that demand avoidance there.  Dion  Come on. Tony, have you got? Have you got some synopsis?  Peta  Yeah.  Quinny  For us it is. I have got a. Synopsis for everyone but Karina.  Peta  To be fair to Karina, it’s been 20 minutes.  Jill  Can you do it in a Brooklyn accent? OK.  Speaker 3  Forced ohh. Forced to balance their roles as heroes with the strength of their family bond, the Fantastic Four must defend Earth from a ravenous space God called Galactus and his enigmatic herald the Silver Surfer. And guess what? It’s clubber and die this.  Quinny  Ohh, cool, that’s it. That’s the whole book. Was an opposite. Trust me, there was an even shorter one.  Speaker  Is that it?  Speaker 6  Yeah. Wow.  Dion  I love sofas, yeah.  Speaker 6  Silvers, soyfer yeah, soyfer.  Dion  Some some more continents and vowels in there that I remember from.  Speaker 3  Hey, I’m going down the street and I’m going to start some some flights. Yeah, yeah, yeah.  Dion  Yeah, that’s about it.  Quinny  Hey, get that man some cookies. Thank you. I.  Dion  Would love some cookies. That’s kind of what the movie is about and I’m, I’m I’m with it like this isn’t one of those films that you went and saw and you’re like, oh, great, we get to have an origin story of how did they get their powers, how did. They do this like how do we go through that? They were like, no, you know what?  Quinny  Ohh thank God.  Jill  Yes, we just got a tidy. Little vignette, and that’s all we needed.  Dion  Yep. Quite a long vignette really explaining like how they fit into the world and how suddenly the the brokers of World Peace and everyone looks up to them and they’re the world’s family.  Quinny  Yep.  Jill  Yeah, I kind of love it.  Dion  I mean, OK.  Jill  They’re. They’re paragons.  Quinny  Yeah. And we, the the important thing to note is that we’re in a different world here we are in. We’re not in the regular Marvel Universe. We are in a weird kind of quasi 60s future pop, yeah, different reality.  Speaker  Mm-hmm.  Speaker 3  It’s.  Dion  It’s 60s futurism, so it’s just it’s there’s a divergent.  Speaker  Hmm.  Dion  From our history to where it has ended up in this Earth history, and I’m I dig it, I dig the style, imagine in the 60s if four people got shot into space and came back and had all these powers and solved a bunch of problems.  Speaker  Hmm.  Dion  And a bunch of other things happen. That’s how that kind of goes. It’s like, yeah, well, you know.  Quinny  Yeah. And the difference.  Speaker  I mean.  Quinny  Not actually stated what year this is, is it?  Dion  No, no, it’s just the different earth.  Quinny  Yeah, right.  Dion  And what that is. But people don’t have.  Jill  Yeah, it could be current day 2. 616 Earth we don’t.  Quinny  Yeah, yeah.  Jill  Know that’s just what this earth.  Dion  Yeah. Looks like there’s big. There’s big kind of LED screens, but no cell phones.  Speaker  Slide.  Peta  Yep, well, it’s kind of like they’ve kind of gone. We don’t need to put energy into making TV screens flat. We’ll just have giant non flat TV screens and faster than light space travel. Yeah, yes. But we’re gonna do with that extra energy.  Dion  There’s there’s like.  Quinny  No.  Dion  You know. Yeah.  Peta  We don’t need to put energy into like inventing MP threes. We’ll just keep records. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And teleporting.  Dion  Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.  Peta  Think of what we could have done as humanity.  Quinny  I didn’t know.  Dion  Exactly all of our computerisation goes on tape.  Jill  Yeah, I mean. Yeah, we invented cassettes and then CD’s and then digital format music. And now we’re back to ******* records again.  Quinny  So yeah, but they just didn’t bother leaving the the records. Yeah, because they realized it was the the superior format from the start, especially if you print them in.  Dion  Yes. Gold. And if you haven’t got a troop of players in your lounge room. You know, yeah. Eventually we’ll get to there, won’t we, like? Oh, this is my 9 musicians that follow me around and. Play music to me.  Speaker  Yeah.  Quinny  Yeah. I mean, yeah. Karina and Casper both kind of make the point. It’s very jetsons.  Dion  Yeah. And that’s kind of great because that’s very familiar to the people who knew fantastic for for when they were growing up based on the cartoon, which is the the sort of.  Peta  So jetsons.  Dion  The carry over of where people would sit from the Saturday morning kind of cartoon and. You know it it it sets the tone that everyone could easily get into and I went, I’m here. I immediately know what’s going on. It has a different Marvel logo, it has a different kind of a soundtrack. It’s setting itself in a in a particular period and I was like, I’ll go with this. This is totally different to every ******* thing else. This isn’t a dark and gritty reboot. This isn’t. Anything really to do with the rest of the Marvel Universe? Yeah, kinda. Which makes me happy. And I was like, I’ll go with this. I’m immediately just going to be like, all right, what do you got?  Jill  Yeah. I think the thing that’s so immersive about it is the visual language that they’ve lent into so strongly and so thoroughly like the the set design and production. All the set pieces, the costumes, everything like that was like. Beautiful, like there was such attention to detail and there was not like a wasted moment on screen. It was so interesting that we’re talking about like, how like futuristic retro it is but. Like the. Costuming wasn’t futuristic. That was still like grounded in 60s fashion.  Speaker  Hmm yeah.  Dion  I had a really good time just watching the sets and the costumes. I was like they have actually paid a lot of detail to the costuming, not only of the signature folk, but the people around them too. Looked sharp as ****, I gotta say.  Quinny  And.  Jill  Yeah, like the the space suits and their hero suits were were still like. Grounded within like that 60s, like retro futuristic style, but had like the the strong 60s fashion elements as well in terms of like the textures of the fabrics and things that they used but the the colour theory throughout was fantastic and yeah just the the visual language that they. Used in this film was just so Cohen.  Peta  It’s a joy for. The arts, hmm.  Dion  Joy for the eyes until we get to the failure of the film.  Quinny  Wow. Jesus. OK, so, so just a reminder folks, the deal also sat through Superman and huffed.  Speaker  Go further on.  Dion  I did. I did half. He did half I wanna also. Caveat that I did see Fantastic Four, but beforehand I had.  Speaker 6  So.  Dion  To watch. Beforehand I had to win. The Avatar trailer 17 times. I don’t. I don’t know how to explain that in terms of everything else, but I had to sit through the Avatar trailer. Too many ******* times, and that may have influenced my decision. And how I enjoyed that film slightly too many times.  Jill  Anyway, yeah, it’s almost like they strapped you to that chair and made you watch them 17 times.  Dion  They kind of did. Yeah. You know, because you know, as we all know, in those kind of cinema things, the seats are gold. And if you leave one, you’re done. It’s going coming back but anyway.  Speaker 3  Yeah.  Dion  OK, enough of that. Fantastic for what? What are your first four impressions?  Quinny  I just wanna know why you’re getting ready to throw it.  Speaker 2  Hello.  Quinny  Under the bus. To you ohh.  Speaker 2  No, no.  Quinny  Like there have been a couple of times that you’ve already kind of started. Coming out of. Swinging. I wanna know why the big.  Speaker  There is.  Dion  Rubber punches out. Well, first, I mean, we all hate John Krasinski. And. No, I’m just joking. That’s. Three just threw that out there for.  Peta  Come on for John Krasinski. And he’s not like.  Jill  He can’t even defend himself.  Quinny  He’s such a nice guy. Everybody talking.  Dion  About, I’m talking about how effusively I love the costuming, the design, the aesthetic, the way that it just kind of moves the story along really, really quickly. It throws in some amazing nods and references to the historical stuff, like there’s covers of famous Fantastic Four issues thrown in very quickly. I know you’ve got.  Quinny  Oh my God, that made me so happy.  Dion  Classic villains like Mole Man and the Red Ghost. Yeah. Ish red. Red ghost off.  Speaker 3  Well, sort of.  Dion  Like all of that stuff is kind of great. Herbie is amazing. The fantastic car, which I think often gets ignored. Quinny  Yeah.  Jill  Uh-huh.  Dion  In, in a lot of, this is part of the fun about the Fantastic Four is all of the bits and pieces that Reed comes up with. That’s all kind of themed Herbie, as I said. Yeah. And he was.  Quinny  Great. OK. Does everybody know the history of why Herbie exists?  Jill  No.  Quinny  OK, this is my my favorite stupid piece of ******* history. So in the 60s, when the Fantastic Four was being turned into a cartoon, they went OK we’re going to do the Fantastic Four and the standards people of America went hang on. One of the characters is on fire.  Speaker  Tell.  Quinny  We can’t have a children’s TV show where the children want to emulate the heroes and have a character be on fire. Why not so? In the 60s cartoon of Fantastic Four. Johnny Storm is removed entirely and is replaced by Herbie. This is where Herbie came from. Wow.  Speaker  Oh. Yeah.  Quinny  So the fact that, like the fact that he’s in the movie is ******* hilarious. But his history is even better.  Jill  That’s wild.  Quinny  And I’m pretty sure he actually talked in the animated series, but yeah, and didn’t just make bleeps and.  Speaker 6  Wheels. I like the Droid vibe it was.  Dion  Didn’t. Yeah, it didn’t sound like. Yeah, it didn’t sound like a 60s frickin B.  Speaker  Yeah.  Dion  I just. I just remembered something. Thing when we get this Sue storm into the proper Marvel Universe, she’s going to have to come up against Namor, yes.  Quinny  Hmm.  Dion  And and that’s a lot of that’s a that’s a whole. Jean Grey, Wolverine, Cyclops thing going to happen right there anyway. That’s right.  Jill  That’s something we can work on.  Dion  Later. Yeah, there’s a lot of smart in that one anyway, yeah.  Speaker  Yes.  Quinny  And apparently on on the set all the time, Vanessa Kirby is like, So what? What’s going on with Namal? Pedro’s like, for ***** sake, right?  Dion  Here she knows what’s going on. She gets all the cast members.  Quinny  Mm-hmm.  Speaker 3  Yeah.  Dion  Yeah. Look, I. Had a great time with it, like, you know, really good introductions to quick introductions to characters. Everyone got a little bit of ability to show who they were as characters very rapidly. Like, you didn’t have to pay to. Much there, but I also really appreciated how much they felt like a family and they felt caring and it was showing them in a particular way, which it wasn’t like, oh, these are conflicted people. They don’t know how to, you know, where’s the drama? I mean, the drama isn’t in the family. The drama is external forces. And I think they got that really well because there was a really cool vibe to sort of be like ohh this is, this is cool kind of family like like I I would take children to watch it and be like see, this is how you’re nice to each other. You don’t have to hit each other. You know.  Quinny  Don’t set each other on fire.  Dion  Don’t set each other on fire. Try stop working so hard.  Quinny  Pete Jew talk to me.  Jill  Oh my God. Ohh feels like so long ago but it was only Friday.  Dion  Four days ago that you saw it.  Jill  Ohh my goodness, I really liked the film. I had a good time. I saw it well. I mean, all the things that I said about the costume and set design and all that stuff was just fabulous. I thought like the story pacing was good. Like they they got to the point and they, you know they executed ABC. You know, here’s what’s happening. Here’s our problem. And here’s how we overcome. It, like they did that. UM. I thought the action bats were good. But again, I’m just not getting my **** blown off. Guys. The jet film. We’re back to the **** rating scale. OK0 **** means it was ******* amazing because they blew them both off, but two **** is bad because it doesn’t mean that I didn’t like the movie.  Quinny  Back to. Rating system.  Jill  It just didn’t **** **. Way and it made me start to think that there was something wrong with me. Like am I not finding enjoyment out of these movies anymore? Like is it becoming passe? Is it like over saturation? Like what’s the issue? I think what the issue is is that too many movies. Are just safe. They’re in a safe zone. They do what they do on the box and they do no more than that.  Speaker  Hmm.  Jill  I’m not getting any like thrill, danger, excitement from these movies anymore. It feels really middle of the road and pedestrian and that’s not to say that Fantastic Four was a bad movie. It was a good movie because it did its job, but it didn’t go above and beyond. And become an exceptional film. And I just, I feel that way about Superman as well. That was not exceptional to me, and it just kind of feels like every time we go and see a big blockbuster, I come out like feeling it was it was middling level.  Speaker  Yes.  Quinny  I agree, but I want to keep Pete’s. Take on it? Sure.  Peta  I think it’s very well constructed, beautifully made. Film, I mean, we’ve talked about the production design and the look of it already, which is great. You know, we’ve talked about the the structure which is logical and probably better constructed than Superman. And and I do think it’s funny that I’ve kind of liked the exposition. Free tool here that I hated so much and electric state, same tool, different vibe. It’s it’s easy to get into and you want it to be because there are some plot points that that, that require a very high level of suspension of disbelief. Even for a comic book movie, you know, usually I I I I try to give the the Budweiser and the ********* like. A bit of a break in in certain genres, but I struggled a bit with a couple of the plot points that very much drove some parts of the story. Because it was a bit wibbly wobbly. Sciency want see? Yes. Yeah, like, don’t.  Jill  Get into the proton stream, but get into the proton stream, yeah.  Dion  Yeah, you’re Superman.  Peta  That was and, and I think the issue is I I I get I I have a tendency to get a little bit distracted if I can’t. If that suspension of disbelief gets interrupted, and I think that these particular plot points were distracting enough that even though I was enjoying the film, I still. Got kind of. Kicked out of this story a. Little bit by thinking? Yeah, but Nah.  Quinny  Are these things that need to be talked about in spoilery territory or?  Peta  Ohh, everything needs to be talked about in spoiler territory. It’s it’s just and if they weren’t plotted drivers.  Dion  OK, alright, fair enough.  Peta  It would have felt a little bit different as well, but it it did kind of feel like as well constructed and entertaining and beautiful as the film is. I kind of agree with Jill that you kind of I didn’t personally come out of the end of it going like. **** yeah. Amazing superhero film. It was just kind of like, ohh, that was like really well constructed and good looking and entertaining. And yeah, Pedro.  Quinny  I I have, I agree very much with with everything you guys have said. My biggest problem with it is that. The movie didn’t have its next gear up like all the way through it puddled along at an enjoyable kind of pace. It was doing what was needed, you know, things were kind of getting, you know, you had your action beats and stuff like that. But then when you get to your climax. It doesn’t have the next gear, it can’t shift it back a cog. And really. Go ****. Let’s go. It didn’t have that it, you know, the the climax I kind of was like and oh, OK, right. We’re done. ****. OK. Huh. And that’s. Kind of implementing of the whole film that it’s really well made as as we’ve all said, well made, well shot, lovely costumes, lovely everything.  Jill  Great performances, everybody was on their a game.  Quinny  But nothing that made me go ****. That was a moment. Like, you know, there was nothing. There was no moment like.  Speaker  Yeah.  Quinny  The thors hammer. With that, America, there was no kind of really emotional beat of.  Speaker  Yeah.  Quinny  Vision saying you know that love is just pain. You know, whatever. I can’t even remember the quote. But you know those those those really like deep seated moments that make you go ohh. That got me right in the heart.  Speaker  Hmm.  Peta  Which Thunderbolts did for me, and that, you know, I. I guess if if if you’re going to hold it up against superhero films we’ve seen this year from a.  Speaker  Hmm.  Peta  Is it a good movie?  Speaker  Hmm.  Peta  Mm-hmm. You know, well-rounded perspective, I would still put Thunderbolts ahead of this, regardless of how beautifully. Thought out the world was.  Quinny  Yeah, like there, there were lovely moments and their lovely ideas. I love the idea of the whole world pulling together to go **** we’ve got. Eight months to build something or, you know, and we’re all going to pull in this together and we’re all going to come together over something. It’s a great concept, but it just never felt like it had those that, that personal danger of what we saw in Thunderbolt and. A lot of people who are doing the, which one did you like more, Superman or or fantastic? 4. I personally thought the Superman took more risks. You know, it was weirder. It was.  Peta  Well, it was more. It was more current in in its messaging and the. The risks that it. Was taking in that messaging as well, and I think also you kind of.  Dion  Hmm.  Peta  This is a bit of an imbalance, I suppose in the rate that one escalates because you can kind of attempt to escalate the stakes to the highest possible point and the escalate them so high that the audience cannot believe. That. That jeopardy is going to come to pass in that context, which actually, which actually kind of destroys that moment, is kind of gotta be like a believable, worst case scenario that they’re facing. Not like, well, of course, they’re trying to find a way to avert that. There’s gonna be a little part of you that’s like.  Quinny  Hmm.  Peta  Ohh, they might fail, which I kind.  Speaker  Hmm.  Peta  Of felt in this.  Quinny  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, like.  Peta  Otherwise, you don’t feel the jeopardy, you know, the way that you should.  Speaker  Hmm.  Quinny  Yeah, and and I don’t know, I feel like something like Superman has has more of a an alter kind of vision behind it. Like, you know, that felt like James Gunn saying something and his whole thing about found family and his whole thing about being outsiders and, you know, he. He has a particular thumbprint that is all over that. This one I couldn’t tell you. A thumbprint it was.  Peta  Which is funny because it is tonally and structurally much more consistent.  Quinny  Absolutely.  Jill  Yeah, it’s a. Package. Yeah, it has an aesthetic and it, you know, executes that, but yeah.  Quinny  Yeah. And and like.  Jill  There’s there’s special sauce.  Quinny  Yeah. And and I don’t. Know what it is because. I was wanting to get excited. I was super wanting to get excited and it just never quite hit me. And even when big things happened, I was like.  Jill  Karina made a good point that she thought we were going to see them fail. Based on what we saw in the post credit scene of Thunderbolts and I want to make a point where I kind of wish that that scene never existed because it coloured my expectations.  Speaker  Hmm.  Jill  This film I was going in.  Quinny  Yes, I’m.  Peta  I forget what that scene.  Jill  Was ohh that’s actually it was it was there. There was like ohh we can. We’re picking up something on our radar and then they zoom into space and they see the Fantastic Four ships flying through space and that bit. Yeah. Yeah. So I had a different expectation of what I was expecting in this film. And so I’m like.  Speaker 6  It’s just.  Dion  Just a a rocket ship in the sky. Kind of, or if it is, we don’t know.  Jill  Just on the edge of my seat the whole time, thinking. Well, how are they gonna get to our earth? When are we gonna see that? When are we gonna see that? And. And I’m like, so I wasn’t in the moment with everything else that was happening because I was anticipating something else to.  Quinny  Yeah. Yeah. And and maybe that’s that, that other cog that.  Speaker  Happen.  Quinny  I was expecting. Maybe that’s the the the next thing up is that you know, they do like, fail or they do something that that then took it to a different level.  Speaker  Yeah.  Jill  That causes them to and then this is how we get to this moment. But like now that we’re not going to have The Avengers doomsday film until another 18 months.  Quinny  Jill  I’m like, wow, how are they going to get our butts in the seats for that one?  Quinny  Yeah.  Jill  Because after watching this movie, I’m like. Ah, I don’t really know where we’re going.  Quinny  Neller.  Peta  At the end, do you feel safe now with your opinion to share?  Dion  I mean, my opinion is based on Fantastic Four and how I enjoyed this movie or didn’t.  Quinny  Which is a really difficult thing to do to to take the movie entirely on its own. Yeah, been its own value and.  Speaker 2  What?  Quinny  So aside from my expectation, aside from the other movie I watched a week and a half before, yeah, aside from.  Dion  Yeah.  Quinny  All of that, yeah.  Dion  Look there. This is the thing. Like I I really like to to throw this through. I really enjoyed Thunderbolts because it broke expectations that I had. I was there for it to say, what are you gonna do with this? And I was. Like wow, that is a great movie. I had certain expectations about Superman or I was wondering what was going to go, and I felt it wasn’t as good as I thought. It’s going. And I went to Fantastic Four. Saying how is this going to go? And I thought, yeah, I had a little bit of the same thing the the ending. Thing towards the end and some of the reasoning and stuff I was a bit like oh, this doesn’t make sense and I don’t understand where it does or doesn’t fit and I feel like they’re going to have to for some reason do another one in that universe for some reason. And I’m just a bit confused. I feel like it just kind of didn’t. You’re right, had that. Where’s that gear? Where’s the gear? Range. Where does it go up? Where do the stakes get bigger? Where does it become really important? But really I liked it because it. Was you can see across the entire movie from start to finish. It was a love letter to the time of the original Fantastic Four. Like all of the Kirby, all of the weird stories are just written into it. So it is made with a lot of reverence and a lot of love. And I really liked that because there was good messaging that was in there.  Speaker  Hmm.  Dion  The execution or some of the reasoning is just I don’t know how this fits. In the rest, like I love that it’s an outsider film, but I also don’t then. But what’s are we are we going to follow these people? Is that the point or is it just having a second one? Like I don’t. Know like it’s another Fantastic Four is like.  Quinny  Yeah.  Dion  Will we see him?  Jill  Yeah. Are we making this movie just to make a sequel? Just so we can make? Money.  Quinny  Yeah. Well, or are we making this one just because we needed to have a really good bad guy for the MCU. We’ve already announced who that bad guy. So we really had to have this film before doomsday could happen.  Jill  Yeah. There’s a lot of very upset people in. Our screening at the end of this movie.  Quinny  Yeah, yeah, there was.  Dion  Yeah, Speaking of bad guys, how do we feel about the villain aspects of this one?  Speaker  Hmm.  Jill  I was curious to how I would ever see Galactus executed on film, and I think it. Up to a point, it was well done.  Dion  Is it? Is it better than the giant cloud?  Speaker 6  Ohh yeah, we don’t need.  Dion  So the.  Jill  Some amorphous cloud like I want to see an actual Galactus and like how?  Dion  So.  Jill  Do you do? That I mean, especially after we had the Eternals where, you know, we have things God like beings in space, it’s like, OK, well now how do we make a Galactus?  Speaker  Hmm.  Jill  That was really cool, but then there was a moment where I thought it was. Not cool. Maybe I’ll talk about that in sport.  Dion  How? How did you feel about Charlotte Owl?  Jill  I thought it was sick. I’m like, yeah, let’s go back to the original Silver Surfer. Yeah. People will be surprised to know the original Silver Surfer was not a dude.  Quinny  I I knew that Michelle label was an alternate, but I didn’t realize that. Jill  I think the original Silver Surfer was a woman, and then it was her lover that begged Galactus to trade places with her.  Quinny  Yeah, yeah. Entry.  Dion  Interesting, yeah.  Jill  And disappointed we didn’t get the what if Aunt May was the Herald for Galactus and we didn’t get the golden oldie.  Dion  What are you talking about? Marisa? To me, isn’t that old?  Quinny  I I think.  Speaker 3  No.  Quinny  I think there were there were sequences in there watching the the Silver Surfer surfing through.  Speaker  Ohh.  Quinny  Like Kirby Crackle, ******* cosmic power surfing through black holes where I was like, **** yeah, this is cool. You know, surfing around curving laser beams and ****. I was like.  Dion  Well, grab. Yeah.  Speaker 3  Yes.  Dion  ******* hell yeah, that’s that’s the weird success stuff. That was the bitter.  Speaker  Hmm.  Dion  Was like, oh, this is great. Like, how do you put the Silver Surfer in? Why does it doesn’t even make sense. And it’s like, yeah, it does. If you lean into that. Crazy kind of 60s vibe that it originally was about. It’s like, yeah, I’m just gonna surf, like, through cosmic waves, man, it’s. Like. Cool. That’s fun. Yeah, it helps if you take LSD.  Quinny  Hmm.  Speaker  Yeah.  Dion  You know.  Quinny  Like there was something so ******* cool with all of that visual stuff. Yeah, that up until now, we’ve never really gotten because the only other time we’re seeing the Silver Surfer, he was on Earth, so it didn’t have that real cosmic kind of.  Dion  Maybe. He was the T1000 man.  Jill  Thing, yeah.  Speaker  Hmm.  Dion  He just kind. Of morphed around as needed for the plot.  Quinny  Your thoughts on on the Silver Surfer?  Peta  Neutral. Cool. I I don’t have a lot of feelings about the Silver Surfer as a character, but I thought she was. I thought it it was cool execution.  Dion  Yeah.  Quinny  Hmm. Yeah, look cool. And I like the the human eyes too. I thought that was kind of cool. Yeah, cause you I feel like you still need something to latch onto for a motion, yeah.  Speaker  Mm-hmm.  Quinny  I thought that was smart.  Speaker  And. Look, there’s look.  Dion  There’s lots of fun stuff in there. Standouts for me. I I I need to say I really annoyed that they didn’t rename it the fantastic six because to be honest, there are 6 characters in this movie. By the end of it, you’re watching it like there’s not just four, there’s more. Who you’re following through with, which was a bit of a surprise because I was like, OK, right. You’re just going to lean very heavily into the entire thing. Sure. I really. Kirby, I love that they went into galactic space because that’s kind of that’s that kind of that’s really fun. Like Reed Richards is that kind of character who, you know, is your prototypical 50s, you know, American Americanized painting, you know, of, like, it’s a pipe and slippers and, you know. Dad’s home.  Jill  Yeah. The Norman Rockwell. Yes. Please looking forward.  Dion  Yeah, absolutely. 100% The Rockwell and it it. But presented in that very conservative way, but he’s not a conservative. Like you know, it’s kind of like I’m just going to learn how to fold matter and bend this, and then we’re going to space. All right, everyone, safety third. Let’s go. That’s kind of Reed riches. Like he built a thing called the Ultimate Nullifier. And it kills anything in the known Marvel Universe. And then he’s just like ohh someone.  Quinny  He’s.  Dion  Like.  Speaker  Like.  Dion  ******** Reed, you know like.  Quinny  One thing you you said to me afterwards too.  Jill  Yeah, I mean. He just casually solved teleportation in this.  Dion  Yeah, yeah.  Jill  Film or whatever.  Quinny  Whatever. Whatever one thing you said to me too, and I agreed like they’ve always struggled to get Reed Richards powers looking good on screen. Like it’s very hard to do stretchy guy without it looking dumb, but one of the things that is kind of sad is that in the.  Dion  Yes.  Quinny  The comics and everything. Quite often you’ll see him, and that stretchiness of his body is a. Is. A all about echoing who he’s mentally. Yeah. So his arms are over here. You know, riding on the blackboard and his other arms over here, smoking a pipe and his head is, you know, stretched out over here, looking at the, you know, out the window or something like that. And there wasn’t much of that. It was very much like, this is traditionally handsome Pedro.  Peta  Yeah.  Jill  It’s it’s tiny. Yeah, it’s a tiny bit like he was doing. A little bit of the blackboard. Stuff and the catching things, but.  Speaker 6  Yeah, I don’t.  Jill  I don’t think we really got to see him actually use his powers much in the film as a whole.  Quinny  Nope. Nope.  Dion  It’s very, very expensive to animate Pedro Pascal.  Peta  It’s it’s a dump power.  Speaker 3  Pete. Pete, in there, it’s true.  Jill  I mean, it might be a time you. Would change your mind.  Speaker  Yeah.  Speaker 3  Blubbering time, no.  Quinny  Should we rate it because we are, we’re going on a.  Peta  Yes, yes.  Quinny  Long time. Ohh good.  Jill  Oh my goodness. I don’t know. I’m gonna pick a number.  Dion  How many tips off Jim?  Speaker 6  Yeah, the tip scale. Yeah, yeah, yeah.  Jill  Yeah. The two tip film, but.  Quinny  I mean, I’m gonna. I will change the rating system if I have to, but it’s gonna really.  Dion  I had some I had some issues with it, but I did enjoy. I had a fun time. I’m gonna give it a 75. No 70. I’m gonna go 70. Sorry. I’m. I’m back down a little bit mainly because I really loved.  Quinny  On the website.  Dion  The scenic I love the the the characters together. They didn’t quite mesh as much and I felt like some of them were lost like I think Ben Grimm’s the thing.  Speaker 6  Hmm.  Dion  Totally kind of lost in the hole as much to do. No, I I didn’t get enough of that thing because one of the most important things I know about Ben Grimace, he’s the real heart of the team. And while that was great, like I loved, you know, uncles, you’ve got uncles going on there. I loved it. You know, Johnny and and Ben are totally down for, you know, being uncles. I just thought he got a little bit lost and I have big issues with some of the purple headed warrior of the lactose, which I’ll talk about in spoilers, but yeah, overall fun time. Not a long time.  Quinny  Fair enough, Pete. Number.  Peta  I’m going to say I’m going to say I’m going to say 76 because I do think that it was. Really well put together but. The the I mean I’ll have some stuff to say when we spoil some things. Yeah, I’ll try to keep it brief. Actually, there was one point I think I said to you guys that I’d nearly walked out of there with more tips. Than I started with.  Quinny  I’m still wanting to know how that works.  Peta  Luckily, luckily I I didn’t have to go full rage out on it.  Quinny  So I’m very impressed.  Peta  Umm. But yeah, it’s just those kinds of like those those plot points that that just didn’t quite work for me were just a little bit kind of too conveniently driving the plot. And I didn’t quite buy even in the world of the story, that really kind of helped me back from from. Losing any tips at all?  Quinny  So so number of tips is 2. Hmm but. Peta  Ohh, also the young Kelly’s Uncanny Valley baby was distressed.  Quinny  Though apparently that they had a live baby on set 99% of the time.  Peta  In some shots, I was gonna say you, but you can tell the. Shots that aren’t, yeah.  Dion  Yeah, yeah. Babies don’t look like babies on screen. You gotta pay. They yeah.  Peta  I mean, either it was a fully uncanny valley baby or they were doing something to kind of make the baby look like it was looking, but there was something. Yeah. And whenever whenever Ben Grimm’s holding the baby, it’s like. That ain’t no real.  Jill  Baby, what number did you give it, Pete, 7676.  Dion  Yeah, we all know.  Quinny  And Dion, still at 70, isn’t.  Dion  He. Yes, I’m still there.  Quinny  Yeah, Dan, how many tips have you got left by?  Dion  The way? Yeah, just one tip.  Quinny  Wanted.  Jill  Only go off 1.  Dion  I only want it. Yeah, I mean, well. I mean, I don’t know. It’s moved. Maybe the **** moved like it. It’s not in the same place it started out, but it hasn’t gone completely off. It’s around the side visiting the armpit.  Jill  You can’t. But I gave Superman.  Quinny  I can probably look it up if you want.  Jill  Yeah.  Peta  See, I just kind of take it on a mood basis. It’s on a day by day basis.  Dion  Briefly.  Quinny  Hmm.  Dion  Phil was right. I mean, I think. One of the telling things long rated.  Peta  Never compare my ratings for one movie to another movie.  Quinny  Superman 65.  Speaker  Oh.  Dion  While while Jill is thinking, I mean it’s fair enough. Remember, she only saw it like 4 days ago and it feels like.  Jill  OK, here’s the weird thing though. Like after I watched Superman, I kind of wanted to see it again, but I don’t know if that was to try and enjoy it more or like to get the things that I didn’t really get about it. But this one I’m not really like in a rush to go back. To the movie for it.  Quinny  Hmm.  Jill  But. I did like it more than Superman. Then. I think I’m going to give it. 69.  Speaker 3  Nice.  Dion  Nice.  Jill  It was just a nice movie.  Quinny  Yeah, 69 and still 2 tips.  Peta  Yeah.  Dion  Quinny, what have you.  Quinny  Yeah. Got. I’m very similar to you know, I’m I’m probably I’m probably more in line with the pizza like. Yeah, 70. I’m going to go 77. I don’t know why. Yeah. Actually.  Peta  Just feels like a 77.  Speaker  Vibe.  Quinny  Like I I was a bit more warm on Superman whereas this. Like it’s it’s a perfectly fun, pleasant film. Like there’s nothing wrong with it, but it also just to me, felt like it. Was. Didn’t have much, particularly to say. Other than you know, wouldn’t it be nice if we could all work together and yeah. But also, maybe that’s what we needed at the moment is something that wasn’t too dangerous or whatever and. I don’t know. Yeah, it’s it’s 77 for me, but I just find it so.  Dion  Weird. We’ve, we’ve, we’ve, we’ve focused a lot on the non spoilery side and we’re running rapidly running out of time. So let’s go to the dinner clip to find out why they’re all such a nice blending together, then come back and see how much we. Can jam pack into spoil it section?  Peta  Leave if you haven’t seen it, because I’m going to spoil the very, very, very end of the film.  Speaker  Dion  Pete is thrown down. Here you go, alright?  Speaker 5  What are you doing? You mean what am? I. Doing and then you’re gonna ruin your appetite. I’m hungry, but never late for Sunday dinner. Should we wait?  Speaker  I guess you’re late. What I what do you?  Speaker 5  Mean. What do you mean? What do I mean?  Speaker  You’re late for dinner. Ohh yes we are. We’re late for. By single minute.  Speaker 5  Dinner. Yes, we were just just had to.  Speaker  Some aloe iodine on my shoulder. We got. Do his shoulder and.  Speaker 5  Why is that breakfast cereal in the dinner table? Why are you being?  Speaker  Weird. Not not being. Acting. Weird. Well, I’m doing that weird thing with your face, so. Oh, we don’t know what you’re talking about.  Speaker 5  Are you pregnant?  Speaker  Jimmy at the pregnant.  Speaker 5  Yes, yes.  Speaker  You know, I know he just cannot.  Speaker 1  That have you looked at your husband’s face?  Speaker  Keep his secret.  Speaker 5  What, really, yeah.  Speaker 2  What you are going to be the best mom? Oh, my God.  Speaker  And you are going. To be the best dad. Just kidding. You are out of your depth, but we. We’re going to be the best uncles ever. OK, we should eat.  Dion  Oh, there you go. Yes, that is exactly the kind of thing that we loved about the film. It’s really nice. Spoiler logos up, Pete. Destroy away. Oh, wait. Sorry. She has been there at the beginning. She will be there at the end. We here. Peter.  Quinny  ETA.  Peta  It’s not even my biggest complaint. It’s just that there was a moment at the end where I was like, I am going to have to have another full on rant about killing off female characters via self sacrifice and doing it to two female characters in one scene. UM.  Quinny  Thank God.  Peta  They recovered. They did recover. They recovered from it a bit and it didn’t really feel like it wasn’t going to recover. But for a moment there I was like, oh, oh, we are going to throw down.  Jill  I don’t believe you didn’t realise the magic baby was gonna save the day.  Speaker 3  Sacrifice.  Peta  I did. It did, but there was a part of me that was kind of like you better ******* not.  Dion  Yeah, yeah, there was a little bit of that was it? It’s like, don’t you ******* dare? Jesus Christ, he’s not a. Defibrillator. He’s a baby.  Jill  I mean, you don’t have a. Magic mcguffin. The whole time and then not? Yeah.  Speaker 3  Yeah.  Dion  True, although, but as as we all.  Peta  My biggest my my bigger complaints.  Dion  Know Franklin Richards. The monster.  Peta  My bigger complaints were were the iffy plot points like I’m like, correct me. I’m not a linguist, but I’m pretty sure you cannot translate an entire language with three words like I don’t. I don’t know that that’s possible. The Rosetta Stone had more than than than 3 words.  Speaker 3  Yeah. Hmm.  Dion  Now.  Peta  I I don’t see how I don’t see how.  Dion  Important to understand that this is in the Universe 8 to 8 where things can exist a little differently and they are not this bog standard and it was one of those.  Peta  Oh.  Speaker 6  But it’s it’s.  Jill  Things are like super.  Peta  It’s not the kind of plot point that you can explain away in your brain with that kind of reasoning like it’s not, but.  Dion  It has to be because that’s why I was. I was ******** about it and I yelled at Quinney until it came up to the thing. It’s like, but it’s not the real Galactus. And I’m like. Oh yeah, **** everything in this movie is not the real one from our universe. What? I’m getting angry at can easily be retconned by an executive who doesn’t like the feedback form.  Speaker  Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.  Jill  But this is also a universe where Reed is a super genius that can solve teleportation and like, move a planet. That’s.  Speaker  Hmm.  Peta  It just like the jump between ohh, I’ve managed to do it to an egg.  Jill  Come on.  Peta  Let’s do it to a planet. Nothing will go wrong. I actually, I almost thought that, like, that’s where it was gonna get interesting. Like, that was gonna be this universe is snap moment when they, like, accidentally. Left half the people behind or something.  Quinny  That that’s what I that’s. What I was kinda hoping for like.  Jill  Yeah, there weren’t really many stakes.  Quinny  No, I ******* love the idea of them actually going *******. We’re gonna teleport the whole planet and.  Dion  And ******* it.  Quinny  Up what? Could something goes wrong like they they go to the wrong place or they find themselves in the ******* negative zone.  Jill  Like that ******* DC convergence where the two planets had to merge together.  Peta  Or and that’s the thing.  Dion  They do. How did they do faster than life travel, but. Not work out how radar. Exists stop the fact that Silver Surfer was coming to blow up all of their teleportation machines that that shaped.  Quinny  Me. She’s very fast.  Peta  And in your hand it just kind of looked like a regular size spaceship. I don’t know why they couldn’t have just muted it or something like it’s like felt like a lot of like ohh The thing is coming very slowly. This is the only thing we can think of.  Dion  That was my big ***** point that I will get my big boy britches on and have a whinge about. Galactus’s ******* world eating ship is just a giant space grinder and. And I didn’t like that because if you’re gonna go to, like the extent that they went to, which was really curvy, whole super 60s kind of thing.  Speaker  Right.  Dion  Make the spaceship ******* weird. Make it the giant machines that don’t. You don’t understand the purpose of what they do like. Have something that’s in there.  Speaker 3  Hmm.  Jill  Yeah. What happened to like the? Big straw that he just shoves in the. Planet and like sucks it up like.  Dion  Yeah, all of that. But I mean, just like have the weird like, Kirby was great for drawing like. Contraptions that you love on the contraption, and they don’t. You don’t know why or how they work, or they have like extra bits that go off and they crackle with energy that you don’t understand how it sort of goes. He didn’t care about making it look well built. He cared about making something cool and stupid. And then they put Galactus. Fair enough, looked pretty good, you know, for a big.  Quinny  I look I. Liked big man collectors. I was down.  Jill  For that, yeah. I didn’t like how his. Height fluctuated with convenience.  Peta  Say he wasn’t that big in the end. Though was he he? He looked.  Jill  The lost, yeah.  Dion  A bit of juice out the back of the tube and then he got a bit.  Quinny  Maybe.  Speaker 6  So then he went and shrunk a bit.  Dion  Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.  Quinny  OK, let’s go with that, yeah.  Jill  He’s like ohh, now he can fit in this big circle on the ground that he like, would have Godzilla crushed the moment ago.  Dion  Crush. Sure.  Peta  Confused if planet size or if Godzilla size.  Dion  Yeah. Also how would sue push if 2?  Quinny  Because her push is not based on size, it’s based on willpower.  Dion  No, but push, baby. Ohh no. OK, recover. Push, galactus. Big baby. Oh, no much.  Peta  Is is based on magic mummy power?  Quinny  Yeah, yes, yeah. Like that. That big kind of finale stuff. I was like when he started to climb back out. I was like, ohh. OK now.  Dion  No. Well.  Quinny  We’re gonna get some shoes.  Jill  Yeah, I was like. Oh ****, I jumped.  Quinny  Yeah. Yeah. I was like, ******* sweet. Great. OK, now we’re gonna really ******* now, now we’re gonna wrap it up, but Nope. That’s just that’s it. Cool. Everybody get home. I would love to have seen them do something real. ******* ballsy. I would have loved to have seen them lose the earth, you know? Yeah. So that that’s why this Fantastic Four, like instead of. Yeah, that’s the run like this.  Jill  On the run on the. Sleeper on.  Peta  I’m not sure that Marvel is doing its answer to the trolley problem properly.  Quinny  Why not teleport the ******* baby and the family to another end of the universe, or to a different ******* dimension or whatever?  Jill  Because they answered that in the slack with pocket holes does.  Speaker  Yeah. Yes.  Dion  I mean. I look I I I I really got that like I enjoyed the bit where they were like, no, this is it honestly. Like we we we may be the people that everyone looks up to on the Earth and that’s a bit problematic to put that much. Responsibility. On four people who were there, but at least they always did it with heart, honesty, integrity and overall admission of failure. To the world.  Speaker  Hmm.  Dion

Jurassic World: Rebirth For a franchise that started with a single book and then a begrudging sequel, the fact that we are now 7 Films, two sub-titles, two Netflix animated shows and numerous games deep, tells us a lot about the state of the entertainment industry… (rather than the quality of that first book.) We have moved past the Jurassic park, beyond even the Jurassic World… we are now living in a post Jurassic planet. So if this film a true rebirth of a franchise, or the should this egg have been left in the incubator a bit longer. Dion and Jill have seen this weeks film, but Quinny is definitely here for emotional support and colour commentary. https://youtu.be/1AGTMry5nSc As always, a gigantosaursus sized thank-you to the dinosaurs and the mercenaries who love them, who join in with the conversation on the Twitch stream, live each Tuesday (or wednesday) night at 7:30pm AEDT. 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Billy and the Montessori. Yes, that’s right. Jurassic World rebirth. Let’s go and say hello. Tell me your dinosaur name, Connie.  Quinny  Rusty, Durkins, Liam and someone else asaurus.  Dion  Rusty jerkins. You didn’t think about this hard enough, Jill, do you have a dinosaur name?  Quinny  I don’t know.  Jill  I’m a jealous sore.  Dion  I’m jealous, though. There you go very simply done.  Quinny  Ohh OK I thought I was trying to do the actual like thing. No, right. OK, I’m just I’m.  Dion  A Quinn playdon.  Quinny  Hang on.  Jill  Like it?  Dion  That’s where I gotta.  Quinny  Call Quinn flygon. I’m down for being a Quinn flygon.  Dion  Yeah. Or Quinn Claudon or something.  Quinny  Quinn play.  Dion  Docus yeah, yeah.  Quinny  Yeah, I I like being a quintillus.  Speaker  Yep.  Jill  Phenolic quinoa. Quinoa.  Quinny  Quinolines quinolines Rex. But not locusts cause **** locusts cause that was stupid, yeah.  Dion  ******** cause. Yeah.  Quinny  Sorry, I I. Love that we tonight we’re talking about Jurassic World rebirth. Yeah, the chat is currently just concerned about the Superman shit that we watched. Last night.  Speaker  Usually.  Speaker 7  We’ll get to that next week.  Dion  Yeah. Yeah, next.  Quinny  Week we will we will talk. About Superman and the real dog. Yeah. Next week? Yeah.  Dion  We’re not, we’re. Talking about the other summer blockbuster of the season by Universal Pictures. That’s right, Jurassic is not finished yet. We’re having another crack at it. The 7th ******* film in the franchise is out. And for your watching viewing Dino pleasure.  Quinny  Hmm. And Speaking of a real dog, let’s talk about this.  Dion  Donald, pleasure.  Speaker  oh Wow. Wow.  Dion  Yes, it kind of does.  Quinny  Yeah, I I I I’m gonna have to. Sorry, you go down.  Dion  No, no, you’re on, Gifford.  Quinny  I was just gonna say I have to put my hands up to it. I haven’t been able to watch this film. I have seen clips of it I have. I have been given a a wonderful description from Dion as to what the film essentially was about.  Dion  A rapid fire blow by blow.  Quinny  Yeah. Yeah, but yeah, I I haven’t been able to watch the film yet, so I’m at a certain point in time. I may even have to skip out for spoilers, or I may not bother. I don’t know.  Dion  Don’t even bother. I won’t even go there. It can’t be that sort of thing. Yeah.  Quinny  Right.  Dion  And I mean, if you’re not for anyone in the chat, and who? Casper. Casper. Hello, Casper. You. We. You. You’re like. I haven’t seen Dominion. Guess what? Don’t worry. This is a brand new. Yes. Because it went. No, no. We’ve finished those stories now, and we’re gonna start a whole new thing with a whole new team of lovable people that may or may not get eaten.  Quinny  I guess.  Speaker 7  Doesn’t matter. Yeah.  Quinny  Yes, this, this, this new reboot trilogy thing. I don’t know if it’s gonna be a trilogy. Who knows? Is entirely Chris Pratt bless.  Dion  Unfortunately, it seems to have done fairly good bank, so there’s probably gonna be a sequel.  Quinny  How many Jurassic films? Until they just completely have run out of anything interesting to say about dinosaurs.  Speaker  Right.  Dion  Yep.  Quinny  I understand. I mean, we have hit the bottom of the.  Dion  Well, what? Well. They seem to be they see they seem to. Be re digging the well.  Quinny  Well, this is Jurassic World.  Dion  Just next door. Yeah, look. OK.  Quinny  Like I don’t know how to. Do this anymore. Todd.  Dion  It’s difficult. I’m trying actually trying to think, OK, what sort of, uh, freaking accent does queen have to do this opposite? Because we got to get the synopsis out of the way. What is like in Jurassic World rebirth all about? You know, is it Scarlett Johansson giving birth to a dinosaur? No, it’s not. It’s got nothing to.  Quinny  OK, it’s not that right? No, because that would have been a very interesting and strange film.  Dion  Do with.  Speaker  Dion  Is it Ian Malcolm waking up to a Velociraptor in his bed? Allah Jurassic World 3. Or was it 2? I can’t remember. There was literally that bit. Where’s Malcolm? Malcolm.  Jill  Three, it was him and the daughter that went back to.  Dion  Yeah, I think. 3.  Jill  The.  Dion  Island in the circle? That’s right. But that could have been anyway. Yeah, anyway.  Quinny  Sorry, just to go back, Dominion was the one that included most of like a bunch of the original Jurassic Park cast, wasn’t it? Yes.  Dion  Yes.  Jill  That is the crossover 1.  Quinny  Yeah, right, that was.  Speaker  Yeah.  Quinny  The the X-Men that is the future 1st.  Speaker 7  Yes, yes it was.  Dion  Yeah, yeah, the old and the new coming together to fight dinosaurs again. Yeah. Fight, ******* Jurassic locust.  Quinny  Locusts. Yeah, not even dinosaurs. ******* locusts. I remember that part about Dominion being really ****.  Dion  But this one.  Jill  Yeah. And I had the evil Tom Cook that was. Selling the dinosaurs or something, right?  Dion  Ohh look, there’s always an evil scientist trying to profit from the dinosaurs. That’s the that’s the whole point. And in this one guess what? You’re not alone. It’s evil scientist trying to profit from the dinosaurs through corporate.  Speaker  Right.  Quinny  So you don’t need me to do this anymore.  Dion  Hey, go right ahead, man. I don’t even have any background music for you. I just have. I can just do dinosaur. Creams in the background.  Quinny  Hey. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. So, Zora Bennett. Yeah. Like she leads a team of skilled operatives to the most dangerous Wow place on Earth. I’m not. That’s meant to be a, me and Malcolm and it’s. Feeling miserable.  Dion  I know I was kind of like.  Speaker 7  Sure. That’s what you were doing.  Quinny  Yeah, I was like, yeah, no, I I realized I was not in a gold blooming of enough. No, couldn’t do it just so I’m just gonna do it as me moves to Christian.  Dion  Christopher Walken for fun. Why not?  Quinny  It was heading towards Christopher Morgan. Well, Dinos. He’s a team. No, I’m. I’m apparently not in a place where I could do stupid voices right now. Something has broken in me. Thanks to COVID, I’m pretty sure 15 of my 27 elves that live inside me. Are dead.  Jill  No.  Dion  This is just becoming horrifying. Please continue this, not this. As quickly as that.  Quinny  Yes, it is. OK. Zora Bennett. Yeah, zora. That is her name. Leads a team of skilled operatives to the most dangerous place on Earth. An island research facility for the original Jurassic Park. 1 of 27,000 island research. Facilities for the original Jurassic Park, apparently. Yeah. Their mission is to secure genetic material from dinosaurs, not in the way you’re thinking. Whose DNA can provide life saving benefits to mankind as the top secret expedition becomes more and more risky, they soon make a sinister, shocking discovery that’s been hidden from the world for decades. There you go.  Dion  I I love that synopsis. I still have no idea what the sinister and shocking discovery that’s been hidden.  Quinny  Yeah.  Dion  From the world for.  Jill  Decades is that was the Montessori US, and it wasn’t decades. It was 17 years.  Dion  Yeah, which is very nice decades, but also like, is that a shocking thing? No, it’s like, OK, they’re hidden.  Jill  Set at the start of the movie.  Dion  It’s like. It’s kind of like it’s kind of like, wow, would Jurassic World have progressed into that? Ohh, you come to see the dinosaurs in the cages too. Come see the freak show. Freak show dinosaurs come. See. The freak show.  Jill  Yeah, it was definitely giving phantom of the opera dinosaur vibes. It was like I showed the whole thing. Just. Yeah, we’ll wait until the end. Yeah.  Speaker  Yeah.  Speaker 7  It’s just like. Yeah.  Speaker  Yeah.  Quinny  I’m speaking Elephant Man and dinosaurs.  Dion  Yeah. Yeah, really. And also I. Love that they just played into the tropes right at the start there of the. Hapless idiot scientist who can’t do things right. Who does the little critical mistake even though they work in literally a research *******. Place and it’s their mistake that unleashes absolute hell across that. And I’m like, wow, if that was the security problem, like, that thing that that person did, they had way bigger problems. You know, at least they at least they had an actual corporate self sabotage moment in Jurassic Park. The first one where it’s like, ah, I’m doing this for money. It’s like, yeah, great. I understand that.  Speaker 7  Yeah.  Jill  Yeah, where was BD Wong in this one?  Quinny  Yeah. Or or Dennis medrick.  Dion  Yeah, yeah. Surprising lack of BD Wong. In all of this, too, yeah, yeah.  Quinny  It’s. I’m pretty sure he died at. The end of the last one, didn’t he?  Jill  Probably. Maybe.  Dion  You’re not like, are you? Are you? Are you seriously telling me that that character would not have cloned himself about 53 billion times because he’s the master of the cloning stuff and has been doing all of that? And he’s like, you’re gonna make like 50 of.  Jill  Yeah, exactly.  Quinny  Yeah, I have. I’m not entirely sure that may or may not have been an actual plot point from. The animated series. Like like I I’m the the Jurassic nerd who has gone and watched all of Camp Cretaceous and all of ******* chaos theory. The two Jurassic animated series. So yeah, yeah, I mean very well aware of how stupid the ******* storylines are.  Dion  Someone else?  Quinny  I’m.  Dion  The movie is this movie, this movie, not the movie. This movie established itself in the Jurassic World world by becoming a direct continuation from the Jurassic World Movie World. I know right where the dinosaurs have escaped from their captivity, which we saw in Dominion, and they’re kind of populating themselves out across and the and to causing chaos to the humans like humans have to deal with dinosaurs as a thing. But then I love that it did a smart thing in my brain which was to pull it all back towards the equator. Because they’re basically like, oh, dinosaurs are dying and they’re becoming a real pain in the **** like a dead dinosaur is quite annoying and everyone’s bored with them because they’re just a pain. They just cause traffic gridlock when they die, and they can only really exist around the equator, where it’s a more oxygen rich and kind of prehistoric era like like area where it. There. More sustainable life. Expectancy. So dinosaurs basically exist around the yeah, dinosaurs basically exist around the equator and and you know people kind of forgotten about them except for the corporations which want to make drugs, drugs, drugs from dinosaurs, even though technically no one’s allowed to go near the dinosaurs.  Quinny  It does vaguely make sense.  Dion  It’s like great. It’s like a no go zone. Is there any patrols or anyone managing that? No, we just say don’t go.  Speaker  And people will not go.  Quinny  Wait a minute. Like if it’s the entire ring of the equator, that’s quite a lot of travel, like space to try and. Manage. Yeah, but I mean.  Dion  There’s not lots of stuff there. A little bit.  Speaker  You know.  Quinny  Like I don’t know how long the equator is, but I imagine that it’s quite mountain.  Jill  And it goes right around the middle of the. World. Yeah, covers land and sea.  Dion  Well, anyway, there’s lots of, you know, research islands and stuff like extra research islands. I also love that it’s like, oh, we have thousands of these islands around the equator. Cool. There’s more research places. I’m like, really.  Speaker  Yeah.  Jill  They gave themselves a problem and they gave themselves a very easy way to solve it.  Quinny  Yeah.  Dion  Yeah, it’s like and. But I looked at this, this island, and I’m like, man, that that looks even more like more technology and infrastructure went into that island than the park. So now I understand, I feel like ohh, that’s why they got out of the park cause they just didn’t give a ****. Whereas in this one, I was like, oh, this feels like it was. It had more money as could you said. To me, yesterday spared no expense, but we didn’t see that in Jurassic Park in the 1st. No, we didn’t see the spared no expense. It felt like it was, but it wasn’t. And now look at this one. I was like, wow, they’ve they’ve done so much more. There’s, like, helipads and geothermal energy and a whole bunch of things in there. But it’s a bit of a cop out.  Quinny  I really like. That that whole thing that the first one, you know, we’ve made a a park and we everybody understands theme park. OK, cool. Second film, it’s like AH, but there’s a site B.  Dion  Yeah.  Quinny  And you’re like, OK, fine by the time you get to 7 ******* films later, it’s like there’s sight 274B/3.  Dion  And that sure research area.  Quinny  Yeah. So what’s so cool about this research?  Dion  Where? Where do we keep over?  Quinny  Area I don’t get. It why? Why? Why should we care?  Jill  It’s the lab where they were doing the genetic experiments, so they were trying to cross breed dinosaurs with DNA. To make more exciting and terrifying dinosaurs, Allah the Dominus racks that we saw in the First Jurassic World. Except I think there were a few failures.  Dion  Yes, it’s where they kept all of the the the ones that went wrong. Yeah. Yeah, they’re like, oh, we cloned one. Ohh. It’s got an extra leg. Well, well, we can’t get rid of it. It costs a lot of money. So we’ll just see what we can get out.  Jill  Little bit.  Dion  But. At the end. Right. Yeah. So like it’s kind of like, oh, you have your, your, your your site B where you raise things that you kind of work because you did standard stuff and then you have your as you said, what was it, the Indominus Rex or whatever which was there. But where did all of the bits that came up to that go? Oh, they were at this other site which specialized in ****** dinosaurs.  Jill  Yeah. Where did the unaborted fetuses go?  Dion  Yeah.  Quinny  OK, right. See there, there is a concept there that I like, if only because one of my favorite bits out of alien for.  Dion  You mean the bit?  Quinny  Where there’s the multiple clones of Ripley that they got. Wrong.  Speaker 7  Yeah, right. Yeah. Yeah, it’s.  Dion  Yeah, like that, yeah.  Quinny  Yeah, that that kind of horror of like, yeah, we tried multiple times and **** got real messy.  Speaker 7  But father, why?  Dion  Queen.  Quinny  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, exactly.  Dion  But quinnie, I’m sorry in terms of movie making, that’s not going to happen because we only have the models that we could control C Control V and if every model is distinct and individual. That has different limbs or other things we we can’t do that that is too expensive. Plus we have this really great Tyrannosaurus Rex, one that we’re just going to keep using no matter what. We just reskin it. Another one.  Quinny  Yep, control Z control V.  Dion  Yeah, I mean, I’m I’m really into the island of Doctor Moreau. Dinosaur Island too, like, you know, everything is ******. Like if every dinosaur has had some something that was wrong with it in this, I would have been like, this is an interesting thing. Like, if everything like a Tyrannosaurus Rex with really. Really.  Quinny  Moret.  Dion  Tiny legs and huge arms that would be. I would love watching that. UM, but yeah.  Quinny  I would have loved to have seen like the T Rex. That actually still. Had its feathers and they’re like, yeah, this is actually what came out when we genetically did it. But yeah, nobody wanted to see that. And it looked stupid. So we just had to have that on site. ******* 27 B wouldn’t because.  Jill  That would have been. A better deep cut than just putting a school bus that said Creighton High School on it in. The opening thing like.  Dion  Yeah, I.  Jill  Know the taste levels in this film were non active.  Quinny  Sure. I I did see a sequence where they like they were walking into a a what you would call it like a museum. And they were literally dropping the banner of when dinosaurs ruled the Earth. And I was like, **** me.  Dion  The banner.  Quinny  Really, that’s a bit on the nose.  Jill  Quinny, I will tell you, I will tell you now that is not the first time they exactly ripped off the first film.  Quinny  Ohh dear.  Dion  Yeah. Yeah, but. I was written by the same guy who wrote the first film based on the Michael Crichton book. That’s OK, but I do feel. Like. Yeah, it’s a.  Jill  Is it OK to not do anything original that you have to completely lift sequences?  Dion  Bit.  Quinny  Right. Yeah, yeah.  Dion  Maybe he’s just using. ChatGPT to really he’s like, here’s the story outline. Fill it out.  Jill  Remember, remember the the fun kitchen sequence with the velociraptors. You wanna see that again?  Quinny  Yeah, but with a different. Yeah. Excellent. Sweet.  Jill  Cool, you’ve got it. Yeah. Do you wanna see the sequence well?  Speaker 7  Kids.  Jill  Yeah, yeah, yeah. You got that done alright. Do you wanna see another sequence where someone’s trying to lead a dinosaur away from a?  Quinny  Wait, OK.  Jill  Group of people with a flair. Yeah, because you got that.  Quinny  Too, I love Jurassic.  Dion  Your thing?  Quinny  Park. Yeah. The first film. Yeah.  Speaker  Yeah, like I mean.  Dion  Sorry, it’s it’s it’s interesting because the ideas that are purported from some of the concepts that presented to us in this. Film I were talking about, you know, interesting, different, distorted kind of things. Like, you know, you’ve got established law like they added amphibian DNA to fill out the chains when they got there. And Can you imagine seeing a Tyrannosaurus Rex or even, you know, some sort of Velociraptor that has a tongue that can fire out? And grab like a frog, like that kind of **** is.  Quinny  I still want the the ******* thing that’s in the book. The the The Lost World Book, the sequel book.  Speaker  Uh. That.  Quinny  Is one of the creepiest bits of the novel that they’ve never adapted to the screen. Probably so.  Dion  Which was that? Tell tell me of that news.  Quinny  So there there’s a bit where they’re they’re they’re running away and that’s much like the Lost world film. They’re running away from dinosaurs and suddenly they’re being chased by Raptors and the Raptors **** ***. And they’re, like, hang on, what the **** makes Raptors turn around and run? No way. And they’re like, well, we’ve gone into something else’s territory. We’re in deep ****. We don’t know what it is, and I think it. I think it was a Spinosaurus or something like that, that they patched some of the DNA of of that with a a. Ohh ****. What are the ones that. You can see through.  Dion  Ohh jellyfish Daniel.  Jill  The cuttlefish.  Quinny  No, no. Like the the little gecko, like a gecko. But what are the ones that change? Chameleon. Chameleon. Yeah. So it was like this perfect chameleon dinosaur and everything was scared ******** of it because they could never see it.  Speaker  Thing.  Jill  Well, they did that with the Indominus. They put the the cuttlefish DNA in the Indominus and it was camouflage.  Dion  Yeah.  Quinny  Ohh I didn’t even remember it being that camouflage. I always think of the Indominus as being kind of just white and dumb looking.  Jill  No, it was camouflage.  Dion  Could also and and change its heat signature. And it was, yeah, like they had a whole bunch of weird ****. And it had Velociraptor. DNA.  Speaker  Yes.  Dion  And it had everything, and it was linked to the child that was made.  Speaker  Yeah.  Quinny  Yeah, that was ******* stupid. OK. So, so yeah. Like it was a cool idea. Yeah. Yeah. That you know something that perfectly camouflaged itself. Yeah. But also is is still a normal looking dinosaur.  Dion  I mean, yeah, look. This film has it all. It has all of the greatest dinosaurs that you wanted to see kind of. I don’t know. They tell you in the film what the ones that they’re going to go for and then they do that they go to the ones that they’re going for. It has, you know, a great person to hate straight away. It’s got a great team of mercenaries who also had.  Quinny  Scarlett Johansson was quite pleasant. I don’t. Know what you’re talking.  Dion  Has a great team of mercenaries that all had distinct personalities and the back story. Yeah, yeah, that was the I was there. I’m like, I’m down for this. This is great. This is gonna be a fun adventure. We’re gonna go to the island and get the things. And I’m like, OK, they got, you know, sluty glasses guy. He was gonna be the person you follow. And then they added a family.  Jill  Yeah. How Red shirt gang.  Dion  For no ******* reason.  Jill  Yeah, that you’ve. Never seen the trailer? There’s just a random. Family got added.  Dion  Yeah. If it’s just like, oh, we need more people now. It’s like, do, do we. We had the team, we had the team which we could grow to love. And then when they got eaten by a dinosaur, we would feel something.  Jill  Yeah.  Dion  In this one, we just get to watch, you know, Ed screen get eaten within the first, like, completely wasted within the first time. Like ohh cool. He’s a military. That was. Yeah, he’s the military guy who’s got the only gun that they seem to have. And then he gets eaten and everyone’s like, cool. So you didn’t pack any other ******* guns.  Jill  Yeah.  Quinny  The. Even though you’re going to an island full of deadly dinosaurs.  Dion  None. And you pack 1 gun. That’s a **** gun anyway. Like.  Speaker 2  I don’t.  Quinny  Understand this. The reason they’re going there is for what? What’s the magnuson?  Jill  OK, so the pharmaceutical Rep wants to get blood samples from dinosaurs that had the largest hearts because that’s going to cure heart disease.  Dion  And they could make a **** ton of money. At least they’re open about that straight away, but then also.  Jill  Yeah, yeah, but it doesn’t work if you only get 1 sample from one large hearted dinosaur, you have to collect three. You have to get the air 1 and the water one and the land one. And together with their powers combined. Will cure heart disease.  Quinny  I’m Captain dinosaur planet. Yeah.  Dion  Exactly. And then if you if you use the fire from a flare.  Quinny  Wow.  Dion  It all goes together and also, you know, hey, let’s just let’s just throw in. Rupert, Friends standing there going and also didn’t your dad die of heart disease? Don’t you want to do something about that? And it’s like what? OK, it’s fine. We’ll just go.  Quinny  And heart.  Jill  Yeah, OK, well, now this is a cause that’s closer.  Dion  Yeah, yeah, it’s closer to. It’s closer to my heart, but like, ohh, holy ****, you already had us with money.  Jill  To my heart. So yeah, that will help.  Dion  Because she was like, that’s real dumb. It’s like, well, here’s a bunch of money. And she’s like, yeah, OK, I can do money. I love money. We’ll do money like that was fine. And then. But, you know, I was on board for that anyway, you know.  Jill  Done.  Dion  I also love how what’s his name? Jonathan Bailey’s Henry Loomis. That paleontologist was like. I’m really conflicted about going. To this island that I’ve been like consulting to this pharmaceutical company about how they can make drug and actually like they like he was the one who came up with like no you have to get it from. The heart of a. Living animal while it’s alive and they have to be the biggest. I came up with this idea. It’s like, OK, we’re going the island to do your idea. He’s like, oh, I don’t know if I can go.  Jill  Yeah, it’s like I’ve just dedicated my life to dinosaurs, and I might have the opportunity to see them in real life, but I don’t.  Dion  I mean.  Jill  Think I could.  Dion  Do it, but I’m slightly morally. Conflicted by it, it’s like.  Speaker  Wait. Really.  Dion  Yeah. Anyway, and then there’s an additional family which is just useless. They add nothing to the plot. Nothing. They’re not there for anything. They’re there for different sequences with different dinosaurs.  Quinny  What are they there for?  Jill  They literally add nothing to any of the context of the plot.  Dion  The mercenary team would have been better off not rescuing them.  Quinny  Right.  Jill  Yeah.  Quinny  So they probably would have been better off too.  Jill  Oh, and the whole family subplot. So it’s not like they were even there for. Fodder.  Dion  The survival rate in the.  Quinny  Ohh ****, I thought this. I thought they were gonna be like, you know, the another red shirt but a red shirt that maybe we’re a little bit more invested in because they’re kids or whatever.  Dion  No. The survival rate in this ******* film is way too high.  Jill  Yeah, out of like, all of the characters, I’m pretty sure it was like 4 that died, tops. And there was, I gotta say, like 10 or 12 characters in the movie that were on the island.  Quinny  Right. OK.  Jill  Yeah.  Dion  There were 11. There were 11 people on that island. I just counted them up quickly in the car. There were 11 people and out of it like 3.  Jill  There you go. You go.  Speaker  And it.  Jill  Was 4, three or four? Yeah.  Dion  Died. 33 died.  Jill  Ohh and it was all in the first like action sequence.  Dion  Well, no there was. There was.  Jill  Ohh wait, no there was one later. Two in the first action secrets and.  Dion  Yeah, there was. There was 2 and then one at the end and yeah. And even someone who did a heroic thing of sacrificing themselves to it, like, you know, to to let everyone get out didn’t die for no explanation. Absolutely no explanation. Yeah.  Jill  Then one later. Yeah, didn’t I?  Dion  You explain how that happened, no? You’re gonna explain where the monster. Where did the Montessori’s go? That was literally going to eat him when you went back to pick him up.  Quinny  And wave it. Away.  Jill  Yeah, they’re not the swords. Like, as terrifying as it was, was very slow.  Dion  No idea. The Montessori was.  Speaker 7  Didn’t move very quickly at.  Quinny  I was going to say you may have to help me a.  Speaker 7  All.  Quinny  Little bit. What’s the Montessori, especially as Jill.  Jill  What the source was like is the Phantom of the opera, so he’s the one that.  Speaker 7  Like.  Jill  Kills the scientists in the lab at the start, but you never really see it until the very end, where it reveals itself. But.  Quinny  Oh, he’s he’s.  Dion  Jill, you came up with the greatest explanation of it. This is the special needs dinosaur. Oh, dear. I’m sorry to say it because say that. Yeah, it is. It is the special needs dinosaur because it’s it’s it looks all ******.  Quinny  You can’t.  Dion  It is all ****** **. Yeah, but it’s also like it just makes it makes decisions in there, which is like, are you OK, buddy? Are you a special little dinosaur? Ooh, shiny thing. You know, kind of like, that’s the kind of level you get it. It’s supposed to be big and scary and kind of weird.  Jill  It’s giving Timmy for himself.  Dion  Then OK, you get that. But like by the end of it, you’re like, you could probably distract this thing with a rock.  Speaker  Like.  Dion  Shiny thing? It’s not hunting anyone in particular, it’s.  Jill  Yeah.  Speaker 7  Just yeah, a laser pointer like a.  Speaker  There.  Dion  Cat. Yeah, yeah, he’s a laser pointer. It should be. Like ohh over. Here. OK, alright. Don’t worry about him. He’s just. A.  Quinny  ********. I am looking at the design of it like I’ve found a. Toy of it.  Dion  Right.  Jill  Ohh yeah, they made a toy that was a toy.  Dion  Its official name is Distortus Rex.  Jill  Yeah. That was just because they. Couldn’t call it the R word. Don’t cancel me.  Dion  Restore restores Rex.  Quinny  Yeah. I’m going. I’m just trying to work out why. It has 6 legs.  Jill  Because it’s an abomination. Quitting.  Dion  Why not?  Quinny  Yeah. And a giant alien looking ahead. Actually, you know what it reminds me of doing? It reminds me. Of. Dion  A duback it reminds me of a. Rancor. What did you call me? Easy. It reminds me of of like a. A a a not quite a right rancor.  Quinny  Ohh yeah, but like the tail of the.  Jill  Rankle from Team who, didn’t we?  Speaker 7  Say.  Quinny  Yeah. Yeah. Rank. God, it does have rankle from Teemo, doesn’t it? Yeah, with a little bit of dew back in there as well. But but dewback with with tiny little dumb **** little baby legs at the front. But then giant *******.  Dion  Got removed.  Jill  Excuse me.  Quinny  Clothes as well. Wow. Yeah, terrible design.  Jill  And it was very slow.  Dion  Yeah. Comparatively, yes. Yes. Casper was asking you.  Speaker  Are.  Quinny  There any other cool dinosaurs in?  Dion  There is there is product placement in this which is also funny. OK, here’s the thing. No, there are not really any cool dinosaurs in this.  Jill  They’re all the stock standard ones that we’ve seen before. There was iguanodons. There was a Tyrannosaurus, there was a.  Dion  Spinosaurus.  Jill  Resource resource source. We saw a really fuzzy blurry shot of a couple of loose wrapped.  Dion  Agodon or whatever they want to call it, Moses areas.  Jill  There’s there’s flexicoil and.  Speaker  Oh oh.  Dion  That, that, that game that gave me the sheets. OK, I need to explain. That one. What? What is in every single?  Speaker  And.  Jill  There was a Ankylosaurus, but it was like for 1/2 little second as they’re like rushing through the jungle I’m like. No. Give me ankylosaurus. What? What?  Quinny  Is the.  Dion  What is the staple dinosaur across all of the other Jurassic Park movies? What is it?  Speaker 7  Yes, velociraptor. Yeah.  Dion  It’s a velociraptor. How dare you in this one? Only show a Velociraptor or two velociraptors out of focus.  Jill  Out of focus.  Dion  Stalking the character you want to die like there’s a character that you want that character to die because it’s just a.  Speaker  Yeah.  Dion  Person that didn’t need to be in the field, but also you’re like, yeah, get rid of that, that character that that character’s ******. And then it gets killed. Like they get killed off screen like in the kind of. Behind things so you don’t need to see what happens like. They’re not even. In the frame like ohh we we put lots of Raptors in there.  Jill  It was supposed to be a comedy beat, but.  Quinny  Yeah. Anyway, OK, I I will point out that there is a toy of Zora Bennett with the Velociraptor.  Dion  No, no, no, no, no, they’re well, they kind of I I did look it up. They were like a different kind of Velociraptor that had been engineered. And I’m like, no, that’s just a Pelican with no feathers.  Quinny  OK, right. So.  Speaker  You want to be.  Jill  Hold that one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was. It looked more like a Pokémon.  Dion  At the end, which was Kinder? Yeah, but you know my favorite dinosaur of this whole movie?  Speaker 2  Wow.  Dion  Merchandising. Dinosaur. That’s right. We’re going to give the little we’re going to give a kid the war merchant door. Yeah, merchant hours.  Jill  Baby Diner Deloris the baby dinosaur.  Dion  Yeah, Mercer hours because ******* rogu the dinosaur. All right. OK. Yeah.  Jill  That’s it.  Dion  Yeah, groger the dinosaur. Who who manages to to to look. It’s almost like Dora the Explorer. Yes, because that’s what it is. The little girl with the backpack is.  Jill  Yes, giving Dora. And boots.  Dion  From from like a Latina background has like adopted. ******* dinosaur. For some reason, even though they’ve been trying to eat her for the whole time, whatever.  Quinny  And and doesn’t. She say early on that she hates dinosaurs. Yeah.  Jill  Well, yeah. She just had a traumatic experience with one, and then all of a sudden, she befriends the baby. 1. Because marketing they.  Dion  I can’t wait for the next one. Jurassic World Re Rebirth, where it’s grown up a little bit and it’s just causing terror around their household because it’s gotten too big. I know, right?  Jill  Yeah, they should get James Gunn to direct that one.  Quinny  I mean, you’ll at least make it fun. Maybe Jill. OK.  Dion  Jill, that’s next week.  Speaker  Look.  Jill  You guys know that I love wanton dinosaur destruction as much as the next, but there was 0 in this movie. This was the most this.  Quinny  And she’s wanting dinosaur destruction.  Jill  Is the biggest. Let down of my life for a Jurassic film.  Quinny  Wow. Yeah, yeah.  Dion  Ohh great it was.  Jill  Not even any of the scenes with dinosaurs were exciting. Was none of them very mediocre?  Dion  I I really liked 1 scene which also did not pay. Off at all. Point of the scene.  Jill  Uh-huh.  Dion  So, and I’ll say because I don’t really feel like it’s not really a spoiler anyway, they they, their boat crashes, they get they have to swim to the beach. The Moses all can’t get in there, but there’s these other like is it Spinosaurus that are like the sail the sail ones yeah I don’t know the ones are the sail Finn on their back they have been kind of swimming around and you know smartly.  Speaker 7  Slide on some things.  Speaker  Yeah.  Dion  The dinosaur expert goes. Like, don’t stop at the beach. They’re amphibious, like keep moving. He keeps running like everyone else is like, oh, finally, we made it to the beach. There’s no more dinosaurs, and he just keeps running. Going. Nope. Nope. And phebus amphibious, like and keeps running into there. And I like that. And someone kind of takes a beat on the beach. And you’re looking at the back, and it’s kind of rocks.  Speaker  Hmm.  Quinny  Yep.  Dion  Everywhere and stuff. And then suddenly one of those ones rolls over. Because it’s been lying on the beach flat. So you didn’t see this? The big sail, Finn. And it’s terrifying because you realize. Ohh ****. They’re on the beach already and everyone’s just kind of relaxing and like breathing heavy and going. Oh my God, I can’t. And one rolls over and kind of like slides around. And you’re like. Holy ****, that’s gonna get that person that’s right there. And then they take a beat and it doesn’t for some reason. Another one comes from somewhere. Else to do it and. Then they just **** ***. Yeah, like they see a person dying like ohh no, that happened anyway. Alright, that’s very sad. We should go. And it’s like they would be hunting you.  Jill  There were a couple of moments that were giving like ohh this is alien vibes. This would work perfectly if they just let into the horror aspect and then they completely swerve the other direction and.  Dion  Yeah. Yeah, this is.  Jill  Basically, make a really kid friendly film.  Dion  Yeah, there’s there’s no horror in this and I think that’s one. Of. The things Queen you’re saying Camp Cretaceous was a. A good TV show. It feels like they they wanted that audience to come and see and they couldn’t get too scary.  Quinny  Yeah. Well, and the and the stupid thing is in in Camp Cretaceous and chaos theory, they do, you know, have enough actual threat in there like dinosaurs do, eat people and ****. You just don’t see it. Like you don’t see big bodies being munched in half, but.  Jill  That was the beauty of the first one. That was the beauty of Jurassic Park. They’re terrified. 8 year old me, but I still went back to keep watching. I’m like, this is ******* terrifying. Must watch more here.  Quinny  Dinosaur leaping. Sir. Absolutely.  Speaker  Yeah.  Dion  They don’t. They do. They hate that guy on the toilet, like the lawyer.  Jill  Yes, snapped him up, chewed him, gobbled him.  Quinny  Down. Yeah, exactly.  Jill  Getting electrified on fences.  Dion  As a.  Quinny  Yeah, and and the, the, the.  Jill  Joke ******** your pants in the kitchen. Yeah, yeah.  Quinny  The Raptors were ******* scary because they were smart, yes.  Speaker 7  Jello.  Speaker  Yeah. Give me.  Quinny  That I mean. Come on. There’s a girl.  Dion  This is this is a like Jurassic Park, is it?  Jill  I ohh Dion, did I tell you or did I not tell you that I wanted them to say clever girl in this movie?  Dion  Is it what?  Jill  And it didn’t happen all the.  Dion  Exactly. We’re waiting for regrets. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Especially considering you’ve got a female lead.  Jill  Of all the things.  Speaker  Yeah.  Dion  Like you know, and.  Jill  Yeah, straight female characters. Yeah, that 41 got eaten, but still.  Dion  Yeah, only it’s it’s one of those. It’s one of those things that I was like. Jurassic Park. The first one is great because you take two kids, you terrorise them with an attack and then the first thing that Ian Malcolm. Sorry. No. Ian. Malcolm. Sam. Meals. Thing is, is also scare them is to make them like.  Speaker 7  Oh yeah, with the color and the.  Dion  No, no, not no, no, the the like the electrified fence. I forgot about that. They’ve just gone through gold.  Jill  Yeah, that’s the first moment he met them. He shows them the the talent and he’s like that. Rip your guts. Out like this?  Dion  No, that was the kid. That was a shift head at the archaeological view.  Quinny  Oh no, I’m pretty. The to the little kid as well, really.  Jill  It doesn’t terrified a kid. Oh.  Dion  Yeah. Ohh yeah, yeah. But like also, I love that like it’s traumatic experience. We should terrorise them a little bit more. I’ll play that joke and then they get terrorized again. Like it is about scaring kids. And this one is not about scaring kids. This one is about making. You know who’s scared in this?  Jill  It wasn’t. There wasn’t even jump scare in this I don’t think.  Dion  No.  Quinny  And yet it’s been very popular and made.  Jill  Why? But why? Why?  Quinny  A lot of.  Speaker  Money.  Quinny  That was my question. That’s my question. Why?  Jill  I think it’s all the people with chat. Deputy brain rot.  Quinny  Who would? Just like yay dinosaur fan?  Dion  It’s it’s, it’s it’s a movie. Like it’s a movie from a pitch deck. It’s like, here’s this action scene. Here’s this action scene. Here’s this action scene. Here’s this action scene. Right. Write it all together for some reason and do it also you. Let’s throw in a message there which I think is Gareth Edwards touch like he’s I feel like Gareth, who’s a good director like I don’t, I don’t think his films are bad. He he wanted to tell a message in it, but he had to do it. In such a. Way, which is like corporations are bad and we should like work together with each other and it just feels ham fisted because he’s been handed a bunch of scenes that he has to put in this movie that don’t make ******* sense. Also, yes again, you mentioned that the other thing quinny the magical blow up boat that seems to be the only thing that can stop dinosaur bites. Yeah. Yeah, because they’re 2 rubbery.  Jill  Completely imperceptible to teeth.  Dion  Yeah. Can’t Pierce a a blow up boat.  Quinny  Oh, we’re OK.  Dion  Which is also done in the stupidness.  Quinny  I’d I’d only read about it and I was like, ohh OK. Magical rubber dingy. Cool, yeah.  Speaker  Sticky.  Dion  Magical rubber, sweet, but also dumb. I mean that whole sequence which was specifically design. Mind for just the T Rex attack was not particularly scary, thrilling or interesting. It was just like they’re gonna get away. Everyone and no one dies.  Quinny  Is is the is the T Rex still even remotely scary?  Jill  No, not in comparison to anything else these days.  Speaker  Yeah.  Quinny  Yeah, right. Because when that. When it first shows up in that first film and you know you don’t see it for a while, it eats a goat off screen and you’re. Like oh ****.  Jill  Yeah.  Quinny  And then it finally shows it up. And it’s this ******* magnificently terrifying thing in the dark.  Jill  Yeah.  Quinny  It was incredible, was there.  Jill  Yeah.  Speaker  That.  Jill  The scariest thing, but like since Jurassic World, he’s just been good guy T Rex. He’s like he’s our pet.  Speaker  Yeah.  Quinny  And that is a problem, isn’t it? Like if you’re now a good guy, we can rely on T Rex to always come through for us.  Jill  Yeah. Again, another slow dinosaur. How how are people in a dinghy outgrowing a Tyrannosaurus Rex?  Dion  Yeah. Or is swimming like, how is a river at both times deep enough for a Tyrannosaurus Rex to swim and then?  Quinny  It’s funny.  Speaker 7  But also the stick. It’s like that Godzilla thing where he’s in the ocean. It’s like his legs go all the way.  Dion  But also to stand in.  Quinny  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.  Speaker 7  Down. They can still serve.  Dion  I’ll stand there and go. Oh, no. I’ve been foiled by my one weakness. A small gap in rock.  Quinny  Casper, I think has hit the absolute nail on the head there. Have the solution. We give the Dinos lasers. I also agree that they should have lasers and should have people riding them. I know riders.  Dion  Yeah. Yeah.  Quinny  I mean, it’s not that ******* hard, guys.  Dion  I mean, come on, there are plenty of islands. There’s gotta be some Indigenous tribe there that’s been left with. And also has domesticated them and now is using them to, you know, fight battle. Why not?  Quinny  Yeah, I’m down for that. Yeah.  Dion  Yeah, yeah. I mean the rest of Hollywood is bankrupt, so why not this one? Hi, Amy.  Quinny  I love the fact that they they go into all of the effort of going OK in the previous films. We’ve now set dinosaurs out into the world and the the whole idea of Jurassic World is that yeah, we are now living in a Jurassic.  Dion  It’s the world. Yeah, yeah.  Quinny  World, where there’s dinosaurs and **** like that. And it’s like, yeah, no undo all of that. Take them out of society so that society just doesn’t care about them and we’re going to put them in a small band in the middle of the of the planet.  Dion  Yep, we’ve gone across the world to come all the way back around. No back to islands in the Pacific. Yeah, yeah.  Speaker  Yeah.  Dion  Cool.  Quinny  Is Scarlett your handsome good.  Jill  She’s adequate.  Dion  You know what I gotta say, all the cast is great because, like they, they are trying very hard. Like they’re all likable. I liked. Wait. OK, let me separate this out. All of the cast from the mercenary side. Like the the you get introduced straight away. They’re all actually quite likable, you know. They’re stereotyped out, so you know who’s who to follow. You know, you got the boat, captain. You got the the mercenary. You got the evil creepy guy. Like it’s very aliens. Easy to follow. It’s like predator. I think I explained that one. It’s like. In the first predator film, by the time they’re on the helicopter going out to the mission, you have identified exactly the difference between all of them and how they work. So yeah, it’s a good way to introduce a cast of different people. Same kind of thing here, here’s all the cast and then they. Had. A boat full of family. That you hate. Like all of them are *****, pretty much or. Bless.  Jill  Yeah, they were pointless, they.  Dion  They’re all.  Jill  Were fine, but they were. Pointless.  Dion  Yeah, fine. But they’re pointless. And then they mix them up. And I was like, this is just irritating and the most irritating thing I think I found about it was after they, their boat crashes, they split them up again to the exact same groups. And that is dumb. Like I mean you presented you, you could have at least given half the mercenaries to the family and half the family to the mercenaries.  Speaker  Hmm.  Jill  If you had mixed them up. Then it’s like, OK, how do we now work with what we’ve got to complete the mission that we have to do, but also get you back safely to get?  Dion  Because the family’s just trying to get off the island and the mercenaries just default back to Ohh well, they’re dead. We’ll.  Speaker 7  And leave the island.  Dion  Just go and get the blood we need.  Jill  Yeah. They’re like, oh, maybe they’ll need us at that helipad that we told. Them about who knows.  Dion  Yeah, yeah.  Jill  And then when they do, they’re like.  Quinny  Oh my God, you made it.  Dion  My God, we never thought we’d see you again.  Speaker 8  Yeah, that’s.  Speaker 7  The grey.  Dion  Yeah, yeah, yeah.  Quinny  The Quetzalcoatlus thing, the the big flying one, is there anything called with?  Speaker  What?  Jill  I mean, no, they’re raiding its nest and then it comes back and it eats one of them.  Dion  No.  Speaker  Oh.  Dion  Do you know what was scarier in the previous films?  Jill  Ohh yeah, they’ve wait, but Joe Bailey fell off a Cliff and survived.  Dion  Because everyone survives, you can’t not survive, right? Also getting up the Cliff is hilarious because, like, we have to make it up there by, like, you know, in the next few hours.  Speaker  Yeah.  Dion  And then they’re just. There. Yeah. Like how how no one can climb that fast. You couldn’t even take an escalator. Fast, but like OK, the the the flying dinosaur like that, the terradon that was in the in the second one. No third one in justified. Well, they went to the Avia and they were like, Oh my God, there’s an aviary. That was scary. And then the eating people off the off the, the the resort in Jurassic World that’s also terrifying. In this one it’s just kind. Of like.  Quinny  Ohh Margarita man being picked up. I love that. It was great.  Dion  Yeah, like all of that kind of stuff. That was this one just kind of felt like ohh no, they got their thing for the thing and now they’ve got their thing, OK. Then they disappear. It’s like, great, now bird is gone and then have to.  Speaker  Yeah.  Dion  Worry about bird anymore.  Jill  Yeah. Yeah, they’re. Like, oh, so once we complete that mission, how do we get off the island? And Scarjo says, Ohh well, there’s a helicopter that I prepared earlier. It would be here at dusk on the second day and it will hover for two minutes precisely. So we must be there at the appointed time so we can leave.  Dion  Yes. And then leave.  Quinny  Here’s one I.  Dion  Prepared, yeah, exactly 100%.  Jill  Precisely.  Quinny  Yeah. I’m sorry. Just wanna wanna call out something Karina has just said in the chat that there’s a mystery temple that they never explain.  Jill  So they’re like. Yeah, because they’re on some random ******* island where a lab has been set up. But here’s like this main looking temple. That are, you know, aptly named Quetzal cottis’s nesting in and they’re like, oh, yeah, whatever.  Quinny  Oh no worse. Yeah, just and wave that away. Yep. Yeah, cool.  Dion  Yeah. Yeah, it’s. There’s a lot of hand waving this way. Actually, there’s a fun one. I know that we’re. We haven’t even got to like ratings or spoilers. I don’t really care. I don’t. Want to play the clip anymore?  Speaker 7  We’re kind of really spoiling this whole movie right now, but it’s not a particularly good movie, I’m afraid, guys.  Quinny  Yeah, I’m feeling like I didn’t I.  Dion  Didn’t even want to play the clip of the family. No, I really enjoyed the weird threesome that was. That was the unintended.  Jill  Oh yeah, what? Joe Bailey in the ****. Chair.  Speaker 7  yeah  Dion  When they’ve when they’ve finally come across. Yeah, what are they called? They’re like. Big the big they’re not brontosaurus or whatever. They’re gigantosaurus whatever they’re like. They’re kind of cool, but.  Speaker  Gig gig addon Adam.  Dion  Gigaton.  Quinny  Giga Dong, well done.  Jill  We didn’t get sleep, got no pain, there was no diesel pain. It just kind of made out for a bit. Now see it.  Speaker  We.  Dion  We said we supposedly supposed to get to this really beautiful moment where these two gigantic gigantosaurus are titanosaurs or whatever it is are like mating. And they go like, oh, my God, we’ve stumbled onto this field where all these things are and they’re mating and we need to get that.  Jill  Titanosaurus Higdon this course. Oh my God. Wait, wait. Can I just say they’re in a field with absolutely nothing, and then they turn slightly and here are these big **** *** dinosaurs, and then they turn around just a little bit more. And then there’s like 100 of them.  Speaker  Why?  Speaker 8  It is cold.  Dion  Yeah, I mean it plays. It plays exactly into that thing which has been established in the previous ones. It’s like do not go into the long grass. That’s where the velociraptors hunt. And you go in, they’re walking in there like, oh, great. We’re finally getting to the action edit. And it’s just ******* giant ones. It just happened to be there.  Jill  Yeah, there’s nothing. Ohh, this is fantastic. Ohh wait. Hang on. Ohh, look at that big one.  Speaker 7  Another big one. I’ll be right on top of.  Speaker 8  Us. What the?  Dion  It’s. *******. It’s supposed to. Yeah, it’s supposed.  Jill  Thing.  Speaker 7  Wait, what? There’s a hundred more over there? Yeah.  Dion  It’s supposed to be this really beautiful moment for Jonathan Bailey’s character as the paleontologist to go, Oh my God, I’m watching this happen in real life and I can see this, and he gets too close to them and touches them. But it is just the fact that there are these two titanosaurus and they just curl like twist sort of twist their necks like ******* snakes. They just do that.  Jill  Yes, they’re just making it out. They’re making.  Quinny  Out they’re making.  Dion  And he’s and. And he’s putting his hand on it. And I’m like, that is the worst part of the reason right there. There is the awkward guy just trying. To get involved. Well, these two are like, what are you doing?  Speaker 7  Getting in the middle of the.  Jill  Well, just I’m just gonna get scratching here. Oh, no. OK.  Dion  Yeah, yeah, yeah. So do I just do an intro or just leave my hand here? Meanwhile, the dinosaur kind of looks down and goes. What are? You doing yes.  Speaker 7  Like is this working for you?  Dion  Stop looking at me.  Quinny  So he’s in the Cockfield exactly.  Dion  Yeah. And then Sky Joe shoots it with a dart for blood for blood and that kind of thing. And that’s how you go.  Jill  And then they’re like. 2 down, one to go.  Dion  I also love how they celebrate every time they get a vial they have they have a they’re like a, a a briefcase full of like, which has space for three vials of blood that that they kind of are using as the as the the progress meter for the game that is this movie. And they all get really excited about harvesting this blood and it’s. Like. You know that you’re the bad guys, right? You’re the bad people. You’re like in Jen from the second movie. You.  Quinny  Know. So is there a point where like and and this is me not having seen it. OK, thank you. Is is there a moment where the the the obviously not great.  Jill  There’s no point.  Speaker 1  There is no point.  Quinny  And the guy at the start turns on them. And of course, OK, just I just just checking. Of course he’s.  Speaker 7  Ohh yes, very early. Very early in the movie.  Dion  He’s established as a complete **** **** the very start, like when.  Quinny  He kind of books them just like that.  Dion  When they’re in, when they’re in the the the water. But like, you know, and then of course he finds.  Speaker 7  Yeah, they’re like.  Jill  No, you’re not a good dude. But we’re just gonna. Look over here.  Dion  Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But we you have money and we do that. And then eventually, of course, he makes.  Jill  Until the moment when they’re like. I think we can get rid of this. Guy, if we just do nothing.  Dion  Yeah. Yeah. And then you’re. You’re right, Kenny. He he does. Carter Burke himself. He he tries to escape him. Leave them all for dead while he tries to get away. And that’s the Carter Burke, you know, right. Not even a satisfying death for him. Just a boring death.  Jill  Yeah. It’s not getting eaten on a toilet.  Speaker  Yeah.  Dion  That’s for sure. No, it is not. And anyway, they all get out and they live happily ever after in only to time to come back now and.  Jill  And we never find out what they did with the.  Quinny  Samples. Ohh really. Nope.  Dion  They kind of say what they plan on doing.  Speaker 7  Jay, just leave the island and that’s it.  Dion  But they don’t say what. There’s no post thing that’s kind of like M we should agree to do this. Yeah, maybe end of film. Ohh alright.  Speaker 7  Yeah.  Dion  Sure.  Quinny  Should we have a clip? And then do our ratings? Do you want to do it the? Other way around I don’t get. I didn’t wanna I. Speaker 7  Whatever works.  Dion  Don’t even wanna play the clip. It’s so dull.  Quinny  Oh.  Dion  Because it’s just the family.  Quinny  Oh, OK.  Dion  No, **** it. I’ll just play the.  Quinny  Clip and the the clip I want to I. On. Want to? I want to see the clip.  Speaker 7  What happened, Dad, where is?  Speaker  He I don’t. Know.  Speaker 8  I’ll go back down. I’ll keep looking.  Speaker 2  Speaker 8  Right.  Speaker 2  What?  Speaker 3  Come on, come on, come on.  Speaker 7  Are you?  Dion  Ohh thank God they all live and no one dies and there are no consequences for anyone in this whatsoever.  Jill  Yeah.  Dion  Yeah, yeah, yes, I know. Karina. How was he? Out. Swim. The mosa saw. We don’t answer these questions. We just watched the films.  Jill  How were they able to outrun a Tyrannosaurus? How was Kincaid able to outrun the? Montessori’s.  Dion  Rex, why was the mosasaur in the open ocean? Also hunting slash, swimming around with the the with the.  Jill  Spinosaurus that we’re in. The middle of nowhere.  Dion  In the middle of nowhere and those just, they just disappear.  Jill  In the middle of nowhere, an amphibious dinosaur was in the middle of the Atlantic helping a mosasaur hunt. Yep. And then where did it go?  Speaker  Yes.  Dion  They just ****** off. We don’t know. Why?  Jill  Where did it go?  Dion  And then, sorry and then?  Jill  We’re doing spoilers right now, yeah.  Dion  And then and then wait.  Quinny  Right and pretty, Kanga says I have to ask is?  Jill  It really called the Montessori. No, it’s just a really monted looking dinosaur.  Dion  No, we just call it the Montessori. Exactly.  Quinny  Like Distorters Rex, but let’s go with yeah, yeah.  Dion  That’s what we say, like, not Billy and the connoisseurs, Billy and the Montours. The the other thing is that that mosasaur like knocks the boat over that they’re on because it’s it’s whatever, ******* territorial. Who cares. And then right after that. Scene where it kind of just misses the guy getting on the boat. Then it just goes. No, pull it. Now go **** ***. Yeah, and it just ***** off like.  Jill  Yeah.  Dion  But it wouldn’t. What? Why? You know.  Jill  This was the stuff that was missing. If they had completely trashed the boat and eaten the family. Would have loved it.  Dion  Fine. Yeah, it could have just been nameless family gone because also as they said it, it just ***** off and then they pick the people up and then the Moses source decides actually, no, the the other boat, that’s the power boat full of mercenaries. That’s the one I’m going to buck up and run aground onto the island. You’re like, wait, it it it could easily funked up a a A. Sailboat, but it knew it had stuff on, and yet it decided to take on the heavily armoured boat.  Jill  Catamaran.  Speaker  Yeah.  Dion  No good reason.  Quinny  I’m in one of the artworks for this that that like also just want to put it out there the the the art, the thing that first indicated to me that perhaps this movie was a bit **** is that all of the posters and everything that I could find looked like the worst *******.  Speaker  Yes.  Quinny  Photoshop jobs that I’ve ever seen. Like it, it’s pictures of like clearly CGI body with its gullet. Your Hansen’s face just kind of pasted onto it halfway up a Cliff or something like that. Not footage, not shots, anything like that. And there is a design in one of them that I went. The **** is that? It has a beaky kind of face, but it looks a bit like a Raptor.  Jill  Yeah, that’s the new kitchen. Dinosaur. Except we’re doing it in a convenience store, but it’s the exact same secret.  Dion  Yeah, yeah, yeah, the the convenient. The convenient dinosaur.  Jill  Yeah, that’s the Pokémon looking one.  Dion  Yeah, that’s the.  Quinny  Right.  Dion  One is like if you took a. Pelican and you took all the feathers off it. Yeah, kind of.  Jill  Thing it’s a little bit flying. It’s a little bit water tight, but.  Dion  It it’s I I called it the goiter dinosaur because it’s got the big kind of flopped up neck that it kind of does, but it’s just it’s just dull.  Speaker  Yeah.  Dion  Right. It does. Yeah, it has no problem. Like there’s there’s no real reason to do it.  Quinny  Dion  It was just there to be like, oh, this is scarier than a Raptor is like, is it because it’s not? You could have just had a Raptor.  Quinny  Right. OK.  Dion  You could have you could you could have made a Raptor with the plates of a stegosaurus. Or imagine you’re a Raptor with the the the horns with horns like you could have done. Yeah. Yeah, you’re ******* with genetics and stuff too. That ****. Make a Raptor with horns so it could impale people.  Quinny  Like a tricera wrapped. Yeah, or.  Dion  That would be ******* scary.  Quinny  Or what?  Jill  How come when I’m trying to think of that that one?  Quinny  Looked like and I get an anklyosaurus. What? What’s the ones that the the head butting ones they? Ankles, horses or.  Jill  No, that’s the. The.  Dion  I think it’s a goto asaurus.  Quinny  I’ll wait for you.  Jill  Was in the last one. He was in Dominion. I can’t remember.  Quinny  Yeah, yeah, I I know. Karina will be able to say Pachycephalosaurus. Yeah, yeah. You know, get a *****. But give that, like, a crown of thorns of of horns or something like that, you know, go for something really ******* out there and mutant and weird. And I’ll be like, OK.  Speaker  Hey.  Speaker 7  Sure.  Quinny  Cool. It sounds like we’re not not weird enough.  Dion  Yeah, I I feel like they’re like, oh, we’re going to do the island of meat and dinosaurs. It’s like, cool. So we don’t really have models that we can do that with because they cost more money. So where do you want to focus on? Is that do we have to keep the other cast of the family with the boat in? Right? It’s like, no, can we get rid of them? No, they have to stay. No, weird dinosaurs. Just use the dinosaurs you already got. It’s it’s a. It’s a bit, yeah. It’s weird, right? So ratings.  Quinny  Yeah, I was gonna say drop some numbers at me like and and if you’ve seen it in the chat, which I know Karina has. You know, drop some of that with with a number after it, so I know what’s gone on.  Dion  25-O Jesus just ******.  Speaker  Wow.  Dion  It’s it’s annoying on both sides. It it? It neuters the dinosaurs and their effectiveness and their scariness, and it also neuters the really good cast you had. And the smart things you could have done and the director, I feel. I feel like everyone kind of. Got. Castrated by this, for whatever reason, I don’t understand why I didn’t like it that much, and I would probably no, I can’t really defend. I’m thinkin

M3gan 2.0 The B1tc# is B@ck is not the tagline for this movie… but it could very easily have been.  After the surprise hit that was the first M3gan, Blumhouse have done what they do best, and that is turn around a moderately budgeted sequel in a surprisingly quick time. Does this make for an excellent film that expands the original property and deepens the lore and background of the character?  No. Does is make for an energetic romp that features not one but two murderous cyborgs with dead, doll-like eyes, doing martial arts and ridiculous stunts?  Possibly. Listen in the full review to get the down low on the download. D10n , Qu1nny and J1ll are all on board for this episode and you better believe they not only have opinions, but a bunch of ways the film could have been SO much better. Synopsis Two years after M3GAN, a marvel of artificial intelligence, went rogue and embarked on a murderous rampage, its creator, Gemma, has become an advocate for government oversight of AI. Unbeknownst to her, a defense contractor has created a military-grade weapon known as Amelia, the ultimate infiltration spy. However, as Emlia’s self-awareness increases, it becomes less interested in taking orders. Hoping to stop Emilia, Gemma decides to resurrect M3GAN, making it faster, stronger, and more lethal. https://youtu.be/Aiam4GCb-ug As always, a digitally self aware thank-you to the dolls and action figures who join in with the conversation on the Twitch stream, live each Tuesday night at 7:30pm AEDT. And an especially huge thanks to any of the A.I. chat bots and art programs who are kind enough to support us by programming a tip in our jar via Ko-Fi, or subscribing on twitch… every bit helps us to keep the lights on and keep Alexa happy or just pay for hosting…) If you feel so inclined drop us a sub we really love them, The more subby mc-sub-faces we get, the more Emotes You get! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYLHdEzsk1s&pp=ygURbTNnYW4gMi4wIHRyYWlsZXI%3D WE WANT YOUR FEEDBACK! Send in voicemails or emails with your opinions on this show (or any others) to info@theperiodictableofawesome.com Please make sure to join our social networks too!  We're on: Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/user/TPToA/ Twitter: www.twitter.com/TPToA Facebook: www.facebook.com/PeriodicTableOfAwesome Instagram: www.instagram.com/theperiodictableofawesome/ Full text transcript   Dion  Ohh yes.  Speaker 7  It’s a feminine on and on and on and on. Norman non. Something like that.  Speaker 4  Play diva humpty. Yeah, yes.  Dion  That’s what’s yes, it’s it’s all it’s all about female empowerment. You’re right about what else you’re right about here.  Quinny  Sort of, yeah.  Dion  No.  Jill  We trained our AI writing script on 1000 hours of RuPaul’s Drag Race and. This is what it came up with.  Dion  And yeah, and it’s actually better than.  Quinny  You you spent so long working out whether you could, you didn’t see whether you should but but but funnily. Going on this next week, sorry.  Dion  Enough that AI chat bot is still better than grok so.  Quinny  Yeah.  Dion  Hello, welcome to period. My name is and.  Jill  Jillian on. I am J1 all.  Quinny  QY Q1 and bifurcated numbers.  Dion  Yes. That’s right. And and Quinn, three, who’s there? And tonight we are talking about the sequel to the 2023.  Jill  Movie, yeah.  Dion  Methree again, I refuse to call anything else than. That Reagan 2.  Speaker 8  I guess.  Dion  Yeah. Oh my God.  Jill  3 and 2.0.  Dion  Yeah. Sorry. You’re right. 3 and 2.0, which if we’re going to follow these conventions, it’s going to be math. 3 gun version 4. Beta. Yeah, well, no version 4.1 final final use. This one final please. Final.  Quinny  Yeah. So no, really no really final and then you’ll find it in the wrong folder cause you for some reason chose the wrong place where you saved.  Dion  It. Yeah, yeah. Or someone will desperately call you and go. Did you make a backup of it? I deleted it accidentally.  Quinny  Always. No.  Dion  No or you start writing it in like a cloud based service and then suddenly someone will produce the movie 3 months before you were releasing it and.  Speaker  Thanks.  Dion  You’re like, OK.  Quinny  Hey, it looks like you’re trying to write a. Script for a. Sequel, you want me to **** it?  Dion  Up for you. Completely bad news. We’ve already scraped it and. Really. Sit in China. It’s bad when you get to the point where even asylum films are being outdone by people stealing the once.  Speaker 7  That’s awesome.  Quinny  Oh, it hurts. It hurts and it hurts.  Dion  That’s not miss Reagan.  Quinny  No. So I want to know.  Speaker  Yeah.  Quinny  I I can’t remember. Did we all enjoy? I think we all enjoyed Megan, didn’t we?  Jill  We did quite thoroughly. We actually looked up the scores that we gave.  Dion  We did.  Quinny  It ohh damn you know.  Dion  Yeah, we did, yeah. When you weren’t here because you were late. COVID and I. Yeah. Now Jill and I went back and looked it up and we reviewed it in 20 January of 2023. And we gave it got a full score.  Quinny  Ohh Jesus Christ, because I’ve got for ********.  Dion  85 because Karina’s score dropped it down from what would have. Been like nothing.  Quinny  Oh.  Dion  So we all had a nice time.  Jill  Thanks Karina.  Dion  Yeah.  Quinny  Good. Damn it. I mean, she’s in the chat right now. She could enter.  Speaker 8  Yes. Yeah.  Quinny  For herself, yeah.  Dion  100%.  Quinny  And incomes cash for with. Like that.  Dion  Subbing subbing for that.  Jill  Thank you. Thank you. As 51 month streak.  Quinny  Oh my God. Jesus. That’s incredible.  Speaker 4  Wow. Wow.  Dion  Yeah, yeah, yeah, it’s.  Jill  God. Is that like how? Long. We’ve been. Yeah, it’s on Twitch.  Dion  Just swinging here. Yeah, yeah, at least.  Quinny  Yeah. Yeah, look.  Jill  Rocky.  Dion  We had to. We had to do all this stuff when it all became apparent that we couldn’t get together and talk about it, and now we just kept doing it.  Speaker  Hmm.  Dion  Yeah. So.  Quinny  We’re we’re still rocking and also Karina, I love the carinas. Not even sorry with her mark. She’s like, whatever.  Jill  Yeah.  Dion  Sorry.  Jill  No regrets.  Dion  Totally, no regrets. Look, I mean, thinking back to the time when we saw the original, I had a great time with it. It was a fun, quirky, slightly creepy Horror Story. It was.  Jill  Yeah.  Dion  We gave it a good score. It had a a fun thing in it. It had the weird dancing. It had the the, like sort of animal running. Very. Yeah. Very camp. But also kind of very creepy. And you just didn’t know how things were going to go.  Jill  Yeah, it was highly camp.  Quinny  It had a bit of style to it too, like it was, it was, you know, a pretty standard like slasher kind of thing. It was. It was child’s play, but with ale.  Jill  Yeah, it’s like, how do we ask the fibroid a.  Quinny  Chucky. Yeah. And I I was was very, very much into that. And like, you know. The the bit with. Yeah. Weird doll face thing chasing kids through the woods and you know, like a dog and ****.  Jill  Yeah. Pushing them in front. Of cars or?  Quinny  Yeah, yeah, there was. There was a whole bunch of cool **** in that first film, but I was like, oh, yeah, that’s actually kind of fun. There’s a.  Jill  Lot really kind of subverted the horror genre as well, but like being so overtly camp, I mean there are quite a lot of camp horror movies that, you know, become cult classics. But this was like.  Dion  Yeah.  Jill  For the modern era, you know about AI and.  Speaker 7  Yeah.  Dion  Yeah. Yeah. Like, yeah.  Jill  What it’s doing to kids and that kind. Of stuff so.  Dion  It was near futurism, you know, it’s kind of like it’s, you know, we’re building robotics.  Jill  Syfy slant.  Dion  Yeah, robotics are more incorporated. It’s close to where we are. It’s a bit Black Mirror, but also it was, it was funny. Because watching. That’s creepy. It’s creepy. Funny you.  Quinny  That was the thing I think that. Know that was the thing that that really worked for me the first time around was that it was. Funny and like when it did creepy, it did creepy well, but there was enough knowing nods and funny to make.  Dion  Yeah.  Quinny  You go oh. Yeah, this this knows what it is. This.  Dion  Knows where it’s at and to be completely honest, begging for a sequel. You know, as soon as that the the credits rolled on the first one I was like, Yep, that will do. Yeah. Now we got a new franchise of the freaking.  Speaker 7  Hold.  Dion  Killer Sassy killer robot *****. I like her. Let’s go. And now, what are we almost 2 and a bit years later, we’ve got 3 and 2.0.  Speaker  Yeah. Hmm.  Dion  Which is.  Speaker 4  Yeah, yeah, I mean.  Jill  I mean, I don’t think patina particularly. No, really. We’re like, OK, So what were all the things about? The first one that made it successful and what everybody loved, it’s like, great, let’s do that again, but more.  Speaker  Yeah. Hmm.  Dion  Yeah, I love. Like all of it when I think about the marketing for it. I was watching this come. I was like, oh, they’re now sound. Like, great, this sounds good. And then it was just catch phrase, catch phrase, neon catch phrase. And I’m like, oh, no.  Speaker  Yeah.  Dion  Oh, no, no, no. Oh, no, no, I didn’t like. I didn’t like the catch phrases from the first movie. I like the creepy murderbot.  Speaker  Yeah.  Jill  Yeah, they’re. Yeah, they’re like ohh quick. Culture is like really latched on to this, like, let’s pander to them more and just like, turn her into hunty diva boots, the house down, Yas Queen.  Dion  Yeah, yeah.  Speaker 8  And it lost all.  Speaker 4  Of the horror.  Quinny  Like, I mean, what was what was the?  Dion  Thing with it was like, ohh Miss Megan’s the the the horrible murderous robot. Oh yeah, that should be the person. We’ve got to empathize with. And following the sequel, it’s like, No, No, we don’t.  Quinny  No, no, you there are many things that you have taken away from this first film that you’ve taken away role.  Speaker  What have we?  Dion  What if we made her the antihero? No, please. No, no, guys, no.  Quinny  So do do you do you want a synopsis? I have the synopsis.  Speaker 4  Ohh please.  Dion  Sure. I actually don’t have any music, but.  Quinny  No, no, that’s OK like.  Dion  There you go. I’ll put a little bit in.  Quinny  The background. There we go, OK. And I I don’t think I can do any kind of. Robot voice for this.  Dion  No, you.  Quinny  Cause like she’s, she’s auto tuned. It’s it’s all very, you know, Glados. It’s not a.  Speaker  Quinny  Thing.  Speaker 7  Quinny  Two years after Megan. Mr. Egan. Whatever you wanna call it, a marvel of artificial intelligence went rogue and embarked on a murderous rampage. Its creator, Jammer, has become an advocate for government oversight of AI. Very exciting. Unbeknownst to her, a defense contractor has created a military grade weapon known as. Amelia. Here, the ultimate infiltration spy. However, as Amelia’s self-awareness increases, it becomes less interested in taking audits, hoping to stop Amelia. Gemma decides to resurrect at Merigan, making it faster, stronger, and more lethal. That’s not entirely. Accurate, no. I also I’m gonna assume that an idiot wrote this because it goes from being Amelia to Amelia, like there are typos and she had. All through it.  Dion  So what you’re telling me? Is the AI wrote this?  Quinny  I think it may have been written.  Speaker  No.  Quinny  By II cause it’s. Yeah, like it’s Amelia, the Emilia, and then something else.  Dion  Yeah.  Quinny  Well done everybody.  Dion  All of the characters that were there in the first one are back in the second one, and that’s yeah, kind of great. Like, you know, there wasn’t anyone who was offensive.  Speaker 1  Yeah.  Dion  You know, and that some of the ideas that were presented were pretty good, you know, like, as in, how do you do a sequel? What are we gonna go here? I I have to say it’s not one of those ones that is kind of really dumb. Dumb logic. Like there’s a few jumps. Yeah. Yeah.  Quinny  No.  Jill  No, I mean like when I heard the plot for the film, I was like ohh, that sounds dumb. I’m in. Yeah, but like, in a fun way of like, it’s gonna be a camp horror film again. I can. I can buy into the ridiculousness of the movie, especially because like the cast is so good at selling it as well.  Speaker  Hmm.  Quinny  Yeah. And then. Yeah, and and I. Mean you’ve kind of got that tradition. Of something like Terminator and then Terminator 2 where you know the first one kill the robot second one. Ohh we make the robot the protector. But like cool. Yeah. And as Casper says, a worst to murder too. Yes. Yeah, Terminator 2 where like the the bad guy doesn’t have any. Any of the interestingness of the T1000.  Speaker 7  I’m worse.  Dion  Kind of. Or, yeah, yeah, a major Japanese. Do you know, like Arnold Schwarzenegger always wanted to do more comedy, more comedy. You know, anything. Imagine if they just let him into. Medicine.  Speaker  Oh.  Quinny  Do you remember the the the the shots in Terminator 3 where he’s like he puts on the the the star sunglasses and stuff?  Dion  Yeah. And that’s kind of. Kind of weak. Yes.  Quinny  All that, yeah.  Dion  And that is kind of this version of of Megan. It’s like the yassif tied. Meghan.  Speaker  It’s yeah.  Dion  Versus.  Jill  To the to the absolute enth degree. Like they they went too far. They turned the dial too far.  Dion  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Fighting. Yeah. Fighting her as well. Not sister, but like cousin.  Quinny  All the way to levity, stupid. Cousin ****.  Dion  Sorry. Yeah, shin hottie from Asoka has has has appeared now as a murderous. Another murderous girl in this one which is, you know more realistic. And that was one of the things that kind of made me a little annoyed too. Was like ohh they took the idea like the the building blocks of Megan and made another one. And this one looks like a real person though. It’s like no part of the reason Meghan was creepy. You know. Well, yeah. No, she’s just murder robot, like stock standard dog standard murder robot. You know who’s hot? Ish. Hmm.  Jill  Yes, exactly.  Quinny  For for a yeah, in a prepubescent, weird way. Like, yeah, it’s.  Jill  Don’t get me wrong, I still had a good time. I still enjoyed the movie. I enjoyed the movie. I was.  Quinny  I was. I was. OK, that’s what I wanted to know.  Jill  Spying the plot. 2°.  Speaker  Yeah.  Jill  The actors again really sold it.  Quinny  Yeah.  Jill  They you know, they they were committed to the bit. You could tell that they were on the emotional journey. Just the thing that bothered me was it was so obvious. That they were. Trying to go harder than they did the first time around and it really just kind of lost the specialness of it being a subversive horror film.  Speaker  Yes.  Quinny  100%.  Speaker  Yeah.  Dion  And I feel like they muted.  Jill  Yes.  Dion  Megan, in a certain way, because they were like, no, no, the actual murder 1 is this other robot who will do the evil murdering, and then we’ll limit.  Speaker  Oh, gorgeous.  Speaker 4  I feel.  Jill  Like Meghan in the first one was, like, really harsh and like a Serbian, but this one was just kind of like.  Dion  Again. Hmm yeah.  Jill  Yeah, yeah, Devo let’s do. It. I’m like, what? Yeah, no, like, compliant. I don’t really get.  Dion  Yeah. It, well, the creepy thing about the first one, which I really liked is she was quiet. She was observant and she would be calculating, and that was the creepy thing about it. You, you. She’d be standing there looking and you’re like, what the **** is that thing thinking about in this one? They just put that internal monologue straight out.  Quinny  Yeah.  Speaker  Yeah.  Jill  Yeah, it was way too vocalised.  Dion  In that. Of like.  Quinny  Yeah, yeah, at no point in time. Are you questioning what her thoughts are? I mean, the the they do their best to give you a whole bunch of twists and turns and you know, shouldn’t be just a who’s a good.  Dion  I’m doing this now.  Jill  Yeah, I appreciated that because yeah, there was a lot of moments where I was like, oh, OK.  Quinny  Guy who’s a bad guy.  Jill  It’s not the that’s not what I thought it was. OK, well, we’re going somewhere else on this journey. But Megan, just monologue too much.  Quinny  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.  Jill  So like all of her motives were like out there.  Dion  Yeah.  Quinny  But also it felt like it had it had taken it from being a like a a creepy little, you know, stalky horror film like hand that rocks the cradle. Is this this cute thing suddenly deadly? It literally turns it into a candy coated weird sci-fi like superhero film like and I I’m look ************, I’m all down for candy coated superhero sci-fi, but this felt like Shark boy and lava girl a lot more of the time than it felt like Megan.  Jill  Yeah.  Dion  Including that you know the the images, it’s just off to the side there where she looks like love the girl like.  Quinny  You know.  Dion  You’re saying?  Jill  Oh yeah, yeah. That moment from like, the the thing where she was in a costume. I’m like, when I saw that. I’m like, wanna cosplay it?  Dion  Dancing comp the Ayo.  Speaker  Yeah. Yeah. Sure. Yeah.  Jill  That was, yeah, it was a fun outfit.  Dion  Don’t. Don’t do the dance, though. Do the the original dance like. I mean, that just felt like it was trying to replicate the dance that we saw in the first one. Which was weird. Umm yeah?  Jill  That’s the thing they’re like. How do? We do. Do all of the things from the first one that everybody loves but like, do it again and have them love it again.  Speaker  Yeah.  Jill  And there was like another I’ll, I’ll say I won’t spoil it for anyone, but it was another musical moment where I was kind of like, ah, OK, it was funny.  Speaker 7  Oh.  Jill  The first time around, but now. I I don’t think I can be in this moment. Seriously.  Quinny  Yeah. Yeah, I when when we come to talking about this, the spoilery stuff or whatever. Yeah, I’ve got real issues with that like.  Dion  There was some. There was, yeah, there was some genuine like, I mean this is. The thing like I. I think as a whole I didn’t. Really enjoy the film. But.  Speaker  Dion  There were bits in it that I was when I was going through it was like I had a fun time. Like I felt like it was a good fun time and I was going with no, this is moving really. This is moving pretty quickly. It’s it’s complicating itself, but then it’s kind of untangling those complications. I got lots of shades of like 80s movies that I didn’t think I’d get. Like I got a lot of Superman 3, like a lot of Ghostbusters.  Quinny  It was a massive Superman three, yeah.  Dion  Yeah, yeah, yeah. But also the Superman 5 nuclear man. I got that too. So was that four. Sorry. Apologies. Sorry.  Quinny  Yeah, there is number. 5.  Dion  No, no, that’s no, that was I was thinking about Highlander 5. But yes, Superman stuff and and some Ghostbusters, some other stuff that was thrown in there. I was kind of like.  Jill  Bit of Metropolis imagery as well.  Quinny  Sure. Very much so.  Dion  Yeah, yeah, yeah. A couple of twists, which I was like, oh, that was quite a. That was a good twist. Or that was interesting. And then a lot of the other stuff I was like, that’s just this is. Fine, but not great. And yeah, by the end of it, I’m like, I don’t need a myth organ or a mafia.  Quinny  Like I I would be happy to go back and and you know, re explore the Megan math Regan thing like. But I would want like something that went back to formula.  Dion  You know.  Quinny  I want something that is crappy. I want something that is about killer robots that.  Dion  Yeah.  Jill  Yeah. I mean, did Halloween or Friday the 13th, like, ever screw the pooch on the second film?  Quinny  You don’t trust.  Speaker 8  Like.  Quinny  Probably.  Jill  Oh, OK. Well, how do you have like such?  Dion  Yeah.  Jill  A long series in a in a horror franchise still be scary every movie, but like you. Quinny  Know this and this is where this one fell down for me. Is that like it forgot that it was?  Speaker 7  Hmm.  Quinny  Horror movie. Yeah, like it totally, totally lost its its teeth. You know, there, there were a couple of. Heads spun around and stuff like that, but. Jill  Yeah, there was like some gore, but like, that was about it. None of it was like terrifying.  Speaker  But.  Quinny  And there was no, no tension, no thriller like that, yeah.  Dion  Yeah, the the like some of the violence was there and remember it was all committed on the screen. It was mainly committed by the new one. Amelia, which in and sorry acronyms. I’m. Like. Oh, sorry acronyms, not acronyms. Acronyms. People must be sitting down trying to write. How like what name? Is this because of we have to make it into an acronym. I felt that that was a bit of a stretch, but like you know, they had all of those things done by her. But when it came to Megan, you know, nothing very bloody. Dement it happen and then they use a you know, a writing tool to stop her from doing that stuff. And it was so frustrating because that was what you wanted. You wanted this homicidal robot that you don’t trust to do those things which make you not want to trust that you want her to be an unreliable. Narrator.  Jill  Umm yeah, but I kind of felt by the end I was like, ohh, come on, Megan, you can do it like I was cheering her on.  Dion  Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Betray them. Betray them. Betray. Yeah.  Speaker 8  Yeah.  Dion  That’s kind of what you’re going for.  Speaker  Hmm.  Jill  Yeah, it was way too much a a hero’s arc.  Dion  And I felt. Like in the.  Jill  Redemption.  Dion  In the in the setup too, you’re you’re given to Gemma the character Gemma. You’re given all the tools at the start of the movie to actually go. You’re being. It and you deserve to have something bad happened to you. You deserve to have your trust broken because you’re being sheet and that was just a bit of a let down to not have that kind.  Quinny  Of thing come through? Yeah. Yeah. Like they were. They were introduced a few new characters. Get rid of them very quickly. In most cases, like you know, and some of the fun, like I I thought Jermaine Clement was having a. Lot of. Fun yes.  Dion  Ohh he’s he’s he’s sort of cameo character was great.  Speaker 8  It is great value.  Dion  Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you ever gonna. If you ever gonna create a tech, bro, you don’t like.  Quinny  Yeah, done, man. And and I, I felt like.  Jill  He works. He wearing a prosthetic chest.  Quinny  100 yeah. Like I love that because it was just so musky. Like it was screaming the ******* Musk. All the way.  Dion  Yeah. And look.  Quinny  I mean, yeah, I would watch Megan versus Chucky, like the new Chucky that is the robot doll version.  Dion  I haven’t seen you.  Quinny  Jackie. Ohh that that one.  Jill  You need.  Quinny  God. Came out a few years ago now I think I’m not like. And then you’ve got the the mystery or you know, mythology of demons versus technology. Yeah.  Dion  Oh. I like, I feel like that. That’s something that they like. They went for that in the third film and it was like Megan versus Chucky. I’d be like, OK, fine. I’m. Back in, we’re.  Quinny  We’re on this, yes.  Dion  Let’s get back to this. It’s about them compare like competing with each other about how to do the most gruesome murder. I’d be like, great. That’s OK. Back on track, you know, steered in, you steered into the skid, and now you’re right. Everything.  Speaker  Yep.  Quinny  Yeah. Because they’ve definitely they’ve they’ve hit this one well and truly sideways, and they’re heading right for the ******* barrier. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Like there are moments in it that I laughed and I really enjoyed, like, you know, there’s a a point where Megan takes it over a car and and you know that like.  Speaker  Yeah.  Jill  They’re complaining.  Quinny  Just because I’m a fan of of Knight Rider, I was like no. OK, thank you. But then I thought you may have laid it on a. Little thick there guys.  Dion  Except for its catch.  Jill  Yeah, you can’t imagine Kit saying hold. On to your. Vaginas. Yeah, no.  Quinny  And yeah.  Dion  And that’s what I’m saying. There’s like, catch phrase. Everyone’s laughing, right. And I’m like. No, everyone went. It’s like they you. It was the first. We all know you don’t have one. And secondly, come on. You know you’re supposed to be a 12 year old girl thing or or are you now a teenager because you’re growing up in the AI space.  Speaker 7  Hmm.  Dion  You know, and it’s like, OK, you’ve got the the metaphors that you’re going for here, you know, the the difference is everyone has to grow and become different. I’m like, yeah, but that doesn’t mean you go from. Homicidal robot too. Maybe I’m the savior.  Quinny  I mean there, there is some other interesting stuff that I I do want to talk about that is less fun, right?  Jill  Ohh, like the narrative around technology and intelligence.  Quinny  Yeah. Yeah. Like the there’s, there’s. Like they’re trying to say something here and that’s the thing that occasionally feels.  Speaker  Yeah.  Quinny  Interesting, but also at odds with the kind of film that it is like they’re they’re very definitely making some pretty big swings at, you know, is AI a problem and what is? What are the questions of the the ethics of it and everything. But the thing that got me.  Dion  Yeah.  Quinny  And that kind of weirded me. Out a little bit. So the guy Christian is, is an AI ethicist and is somebody who’s trying to get AI shut down, basically. There is. There is a podcast I listen to quite regularly and. The weird thing about is the person. One of the two hosts of this one. It’s OK. It’s from a place called the Center for Humane Technology. And they’ve been doing talks and speeches around the world about the AI dilemma and what it’s actually doing to. What? What it’s heading towards, it’s not good. The lead guy of the podcast is a guy called Tristan and the fact that they kept he’s not Tristan. He’s not Christian, he’s Christian. I was like ohh ****. Are you taking a swipe at Tristan?  Jill  Tristan is gone. Ohh, do you think it was like actually?  Quinny  I’m almost 100.  Speaker 8  Quinny  Percent sure they are, because like.  Dion  Come on, let’s be honest. They’re taking a swipe at whoever is anywhere near anything.  Quinny  Yeah. Oh, yeah, like.  Dion  They’re not. It’s it’s a shotgun effect. It’s they’re they’re not sort of sitting there going. Oh, no, we’ll, we’ll, we’ll use the scalpel on this one. And the scalpel on that one, it’s like. You know like. Who’s talking in this space that we can sort of base a few characters around? Yeah, that’s a. Bit of a thing off we go.  Quinny  Yeah, I don’t know. But also the fact that like where they kind of placed it at the end of that, the AI ethicists are actually the bad people. You’re like.  Speaker  Hmm.  Dion  Don’t worry though, if don’t worry if the big.  Jill  You they kind of subverted their whole message.  Quinny  Yeah, yeah, totally sure. What you’re saying here, folks?  Dion  If the. Don’t worry, don’t worry if the big, beautiful bill passes, then we’ll have 10 years of sorry, 12 years of unregulated AI stuff in America. So why regulate something if you don’t understand it?  Speaker 4  Ohh.  Dion  Yeah. I know, right?  Quinny  You know, let’s let’s send Miss Reagan to to alligator Auschwitz and she can, like, dance around through the.  Dion  Screen. That’s how it should be called I think. Sorry.  Jill  Yeah, they’re calling it our first cleaning.  Dion  Alligator, Alcatraz.  Quinny  Yeah, that’s what.  Speaker  They’re called.  Quinny  What they’re calling it, I’ve seen the.  Dion  Yeah, yeah.  Quinny  Photos that shoots out.  Dion  Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We all know what this is, right? Right. Yeah.  Quinny  Like the literally, I watched a ******* speech from DJ. He talking about? Ohh yeah. We’ll let people out on day release to farms. I’m like that’s slavery.  Dion  That’s worse. That’s worse, Ryan. OK. Although predicting, thank you for updating me there. Apparently, it has been that that provision was was struck off. So I don’t know, maybe sure.  Speaker 7  Hmm.  Quinny  Sure. Ohh Aski has an idea and I do quite like Meghan goes into Tron. OK. Yep. And and then she can.  Jill  Yeah.  Quinny  Fight Jared Leto.  Dion  Yeah, betrogen. No, but do you know what that? Would do that would be. Because then it would. It would gasify Tron. Be like pink, pink light cycles and things going just just in.  Quinny  Just the right light up.  Dion  Yeah, she’s just she’s just throwing producer money at her. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly how much go for it, actually, to be fair. Yeah. Kind of a Yas. Tron would be a fun aside.  Quinny  Yeah, make it happen to Disney.  Jill  Gastro.  Quinny  The queer eye for the Tron. Guy.  Dion  Yeah, Jared, you’re looking so weird and and orange. It’s the old color. We need pink, pink everywhere. Let’s go. Like you know.  Quinny  Yeah, I would watch that.  Dion  Yeah. Yes, there we go.  Jill  Honey, you’re a winter, not a summer.  Quinny  And the more I think about the first Megan, the more I go. God, I really enjoyed that film. Yeah. And the more I think God, this film was kind of dopey.  Dion  Yeah. Also like, I mean, I. You know, talking about the way that they presented this to it’s like the villain of it is like, oh, it’s just this sorry we we created an assassin bot and it’s gone rogue and now it’s trying to do something and it’s kind of a bit like, so what’s it trying to do? Oh, well, we can’t really tell you till later in the film. And then we’ll explain sort of things. That has to do with photocopiers, and that’s a real plot point. Sorry, but you know, you’ve got this. It doesn’t actually make it like it’s not as bad as you.  Quinny  You know like.  Dion  There’s no great villain there. There’s like in this. It’s easy, it’s cause like, well, Megan’s the murderbot. So she’s bad. And this one, it’s like, OK, are they really bad? Is anyone really bad? Who’s the actual bad person here? And it’s like, no, no, no. Just give us our hat to hang it on. That’s all we’re after. We need a bad thing. Stop the bad thing. We don’t need the twists and the turns.  Speaker  Hmm.  Quinny  Yes. Yeah, and the the familial relationship between Gemma and and Katie like that. I was able to hang my head on that. For a lot more like. That still works, and there are actually a couple of bits in there that I really enjoyed. There was 1 moment that I was like oh ******* hell. Where like they they go into a bunker or something like that. And Katie’s cracked the ***** with Gemma. She ever tries to hold her hand, and then Katie just ******* jujitsu’s the **** out of her. And I was like, oh, oh, nice. Oh, sorry. Aikido.  Jill  Yeah.  Speaker  Yeah.  Dion  Sorry, which we all know is in a real martial art.  Quinny  Is coming for you right now. Yeah, well. You’ll be here in like 5 to 7.  Dion  Years. I always say that to the Aikido people. Like what are you going to do? Wait to redirect my energy? Just trying to start a fight. It’s all right.  Quinny  It’s never gonna work with my Peter.  Dion  No, exactly.  Speaker  Just.  Quinny  I’m gonna slap your hands.  Dion  Wait. Sorry.  Quinny  Anyway, yeah, like there there are. There are moments in there. There are relationships in there that work, but I feel like.  Jill  Yeah, I think there is definitely a better film that could have been made instead of pandering to the audience. I think wanted this movie, yeah.  Quinny  Yeah, I did see an interview briefly with the producer of it who is. So the other thing we haven’t actually mentioned the film. Has tanked really badly.  Jill  Oh.  Quinny  Yeah, like it has not done anything like the numbers they expected. And the producer was saying, yeah, we we probably followed the wrong directions and we have made wrong choices. And yeah, I’ve had a bad weekend.  Jill  Ohh.  Quinny  Which I I feel bad for them because. It must be really hard when you’ve had a massive success. To go. OK. What are the things that worked?  Jill  Here’s what I’ll give you for free, I bet you. All the money in the world, it was a team of white, straight CIS men that decided to write this film. They were like. Oh, OK. Well, if the gays and the girls love this, then let’s just do more of that and they’ll have absolutely like, no. Perspective around what actually made it good in the first place.  Quinny  Yeah, there is. So one of the writers of Aquila Cooper who wrote malignant. But yeah, you have a couple of writers, Gerard Johnson and James Wan.  Jill  James 1 you. Should have ******* known better bro like.  Quinny  He really ******* should have.  Jill  Yeah, cause yeah, he was on the first one as well and like that movie was such a sigh. But this one was just like.  Dion  It feels I know so like it does feel like they as you said it might not.  Jill  Away shante.  Speaker 8  Sashay away.  Dion  They might have fed too much, you know, RuPaul’s Drag Race into the idea. Shut out engine.  Jill  Yeah, 100%.  Quinny  Algorithm.  Dion  Yeah. And I do feel like you’ve got, it’s like a lot more complicated like in the first one, it’s pretty, it’s a pretty simplistic plot, you know? Yeah, it’s not too. It’s not too hard. This one feels like it’s like, oh, we’re going to get way more complicated. It’s bigger. It’s everything we’re going to treat this as a whole thing. You know, she’s now a, you know, internationally recognized. But on these things. You know, the whole thing wasn’t just swept under the rug. It like, you know, the first movie, the the stuff became an international in like, news story and all that kind of. Thing and I’m like, yeah. But no, sometimes it’s better to just be a bit smaller and a bit tighter like. I mean, it could have just been a whole thing of Megan trying to get her body back after being existing. In all these things, and they did have a few notes about that in this film, but I it jumped the shark for me when it went to like, how does Megan Switch herself around in between things? And I was like, wow, this makes. Absolutely no sense.  Jill  Yeah, they could have saved the military grade. Megan’s. For the third movie.  Dion  Sure. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.  Jill  Just build to it. Don’t do it. Don’t go.  Dion  Yeah, yeah, I know. But I mean, you know, like when at what point are we getting to the underground? Club of Megan’s.  Jill  Yeah.  Speaker  Never.  Jill  Yeah, full read. Never go full R word.  Quinny  Yeah, no. True, no.  Dion  Fight Club never go full Fight Club.  Quinny  And this film didn’t. Yet. No. Yeah. OK. Should we rate it? I do. There are a couple of little things I want to talk about in the spoils.  Dion  Yeah, sure. Runtime question that was in there. Yeah, 100. And 20 minutes it didn’t feel over long.  Quinny  To me, I don’t know. No, I was watching it and I I I kind of got to the the third act and I was ready for it to be done. Sure, you know.  Speaker 7  The world.  Quinny  Like I I all I wanted a big enough twist in that third act to make it worthwhile, and I didn’t really get it, so I was like.  Dion  Mean we you know.  Speaker  Sure.  Dion  Well, I mean, yeah, alright. Do you have an idea of ratings? Has anyone said in the chat? Check it, check the. Rating in there you.  Quinny  Yeah. If you’ve seen, it’s put a number, I will look for the number with the the 100 symbol because it helps me.  Dion  I’m going. I was lower and then I raised it back up a couple of notches because a couple of the times I went, that’s actually quite generally funny.  Speaker  To. Work out.  Dion  And especially 1 gag, which I was like. Ohh no, this is the worst. And then by the end of the gag, I was like it. Got better over time. It aged in the moment.  Speaker 7  It.  Dion  It aged in the moment and I went. That’s actually really ******* funny. Like it was awkward and awful and cringe for like 3 minutes and then by.  Speaker  Yes.  Speaker 4  I was like, I’m never doing it again.  Dion  The end of it I was like ohh this.  Speaker 7  Is all they all they just leave.  Speaker 8  And I’m like, actually, yeah, they they held it and you had to keep keep.  Dion  Yeah, don’t you? Don’t you dare go to the ******* chorus. Jill. So. So yeah, mine was lower and now it’s come back up to 60. 5:00 that’s fine.  Speaker  Yeah.  Quinny  OK, down as in as a 65, OK.  Jill  Oh wow. I gave. Megan won 90 last time. I really ******* loved it.  Dion  Wow. Yes, yeah.  Quinny  Yeah.  Jill  I still enjoyed this. Movie. I’m not gonna be ashamed about enjoying the movie like, especially because it it pandered to my tastes. The only thing that disappointed me was that there was not one horror element left in it, and that was the whole point of it being so great the.  Quinny  Don’t don’t be.  Dion  No.  Speaker 4  Yeah.  Jill  This time. So I mean, I still I. Still loved it. The characters are great. Megan is fantastic, the jokes were dumb. I I lived. Maybe a 75? OK, this time, yeah. If they had had, like, if it was still a true horror film, it would. Probably be another. 90 again but.  Speaker  Yes.  Quinny  Yeah, I’m. I’m. I’m probably gonna. Yeah. Split. No, actually, no. I’m going to close the deal on this one. Like. Yeah, I I. It’s so frustrating watching something where you can see the elements of something really fun and then go. Why did. Where, where, where. Did that go like? Where’s the tension? Where’s the the scares? Where’s the anything that feels slightly? Horrific or, you know, any of that and also, you know, as you said, you know, including shin hottie in there basically means that like if she’s meant to be the scary thing. Then use her as the the scary thing. But she’s not scary.  Jill  No, she’s just sexy and I’m like, can she stalk me?  Quinny  So sexy.  Dion  Yeah, yeah.  Quinny  I would, yes are you? Are you?  Dion  A guard.  Quinny  I’ll I’ll get. I’ll get chest and and Abby implants too, so. So yeah, I’m. I’m down with dark and I’m about. I’m a 65 as well. I it’s OK, but it’s not a patch on the 1st. 1. And there are a couple of points where I was like, I don’t even remember where Megan got damaged, but then she shows up with the horror of, you know, melted face and stuff. And I was like. Doesn’t feel earned. Doesn’t feel like you know. We. God. Yeah, it’s just, it’s just missing stuff.  Jill  I don’t know. Yeah, they tried to turn. Everything into a gag.  Quinny  They really did. They really, really did. OK, right. We have a a clippity Doo dah or something like.  Dion  We’ve got an extra long clip that I’m going to play the entire thing of, and this is after Miss Reagan has been upgraded. So now she knows Kung Fu.  Speaker  Speaker 1  Just wanted to say great job on those actuators.  Speaker  You’re welcome.  Speaker 1  Hey, so remember the time I strangled you and said the lab on fire? I just wanted to clarify that my programming only allowed me to count principles related to my primary user. As a result, I was unable to see you and Tess as being consequential. But I want you to know that won’t happen again. I want you to know. I see you.  Dion  Is she or? Is she not going to be murder? But again find out more when you go and see Miss Reagan. I’m putting this whole thing up. There we go. Perfect. Covering anyone thing. Yeah.  Jill  All right, we’re all dying to ******* talk about it.  Quinny  What the **** was up with the singing? The musical number that you’re just.  Speaker 8  Like.  Jill  Yeah, yeah, we got a an amazing rendition of titanium in the first film.  Quinny  Hmm.  Jill  Yeah. And this time around we got a bit. Of Kate Bush.  Dion  Redeemed.  Quinny  I didn’t recognize and I. Was just like, what are we? Singing here.  Dion  But I mean like that, that was a joke that I saw like that came up and that’s the one where I’m like, yeah, this is not great. This is just awful. What are they trying to do here? And then they really like, it’s it. I think that’s like a metaphysical like, you know, they’ve they’ve got the meta of this, it’s gone through and they know the inside the actual scene. They’re like this is. ******* terrible.  Speaker  Yeah. Yeah, what?  Speaker 4  Are you doing? Yeah.  Quinny  Yeah, yeah. And we’re we’re gonna keep it going to make it uncomfortable. And now it’s funny. Uncomfortable. Yeah.  Dion  Yeah, yeah.  Speaker 7  And.  Dion  Yeah, look.  Jill  Come on. The whole cinema laughed when that.  Dion  Oh yeah, for that one, I was just thinking, man, photocopiers. Why the **** a photocopier is the worst thing? OK, that felt like a gag out of someone who’s like, oh, we saw office space, and we hate printers and stuff, right? So what if we made the actual villain of this entire thing a photocopier? That’s basically been kept at a gulag and is now the worst thing in the plan.  Jill  Ohh. Yeah, that was strange.  Quinny  Strange. Yeah. I mean, though technically not even a photocopier, it was just rob. It was rob from Nintendo.  Jill  Is that true that if you isolate like an AI from anything, it just grows smarter? Like to me that sounds like the complete and. To the system.  Speaker  What would actually happen?  Quinny  It was such periodic concept. That you know. Ohh it’s been left alone. So it’s just gotten more and more dangerous. I’m like, no, it would just be running exactly the same process as over and over and over.  Jill  Also, why is it? Why is it connected to any kind of power?  Dion  Yeah. Just turn it.  Quinny  On using it forward. And and that was the moment the Superman 3 moment where, like, they finally connect to the the black box or whatever the **** it was called. Motherboard. I don’t know. Yeah, the motherboard. And I was like, ohh cool. We gotta get a like. I was really hoping for a weird Superman 3 ******* like.  Dion  Yeah.  Quinny  Electrical **** coming out and overtaking people and like, you know, go full body horror, go a little bit of ******* Cronenberg, you know, really delve deep into the the the almost like. It’s the kind of **** if you’ve set up this horrific AI that has just been stewing in its own evil for 40 years. Then make that some cosmic horror ****. Don’t just make it shin hottie with glowing eyes. I was like, come on, **** sake. Yeah, disappointing. Got very, very angry at that bit.  Jill  Yeah, it was.  Speaker  Strange. And it was, yeah.  Dion  You know, it’s sad that like they made like some of the returning the returning supporting. Cast was also great. Yeah, like their interactions were still good and they were the voice of reason, which is all the audience going. What the **** are you doing? Why you’re even interacting with this thing that tried to kill everyone. UM. And then they try like they do that where, like putting it into that weird robo body, the little kind of one that was, that was actually a cute and fun way of doing that. And then that thing did nothing. And they immediately skipped past that. They moved all the jokes or anything you could have done with it, you know.  Speaker  Ohh yeah. Hmm. Yeah.  Dion  Fun you could have had tough. Yeah. If you have had it. Like in that way.  Quinny  I thought that was going to be half the film.  Dion  For half the film, sure.  Quinny  Again that, yeah.  Jill  Yeah, then earn upgrade.  Quinny  Yeah. Yeah. And there was, there was a moment of something that they used that I was like, actually that’s kind of creepy and cool. There was a moment where they’ve been working on a, like, a exosuit that that, you know, helps people move and. And you know, that’s what they’re trying to move people around. And at one point that becomes animated by itself by, you know, something inside it. And I was like, that would have been *******.  Speaker 1  Yippee.  Quinny  You know, in a dark house, this thing that’s coming towards you that moves in completely in human ways.  Jill  If 2/3 of the movie was Megan jumping around things trying to get a new body, and then you pay it off in the third act, you give her a body and she defeats the bad guy that would have.  Dion  Yeah.  Quinny  **** yeah.  Jill  Worked. So much better than giving her a body at the end of the first act.  Quinny  Yeah, like she she goes through, like, cute little body. Then she goes her own half rebuilt.  Jill  Or if she started out in the weird like exoskeleton thing and then it’s like, Oh my God, it’s Megan. And she’s, like, trying to kill.  Quinny  And then.  Jill  People and. ****. Yeah, and.  Quinny  Yeah.  Jill  Then give her the harmless one. There’s no arm.  Quinny  And.  Dion  Yeah, I’m trying to remember.  Quinny  So much of that would be much more entertaining.  Speaker  A bit.  Dion  The film upgrade, but I was thinking more of like, do you remember the film, the horror film hardware from the 80s?  Speaker  Hmm.  Dion  You know which was about a, you know, a robot that slowly rebuilds itself out of. Junk. All right.  Jill  Ohh ******* poltergeist like.  Speaker  Yeah.  Jill  You.  Dion  Know yeah that like.  Jill  Possessing inanimate objects.  Quinny  Yeah, like they, they, they, they’ve forgotten the face of their fathers. They have forgotten where they came from. And you know, that’s what.  Jill  The horror films that paved the way? Yeah.  Dion  I mean, they feel like they. Had when they were doing the ideation for and they’re writing all the scenes and they’re thinking about the action pieces that they can have with it. It’s like, great, you’ve got enough content. There. For about what 5 movies? If you, but if you just took each one of those and gone hey. Yeah, exoskeleton version, then you know weird cutesy robot version then like oh body rebuilt version. It’s like great. That’s actually separate.  Jill  Yeah, exactly.  Dion  With cool, creepy things you could do along the way to to to make all that and include that kind of crazy sense of humour. And, you know, sassy attitude.  Jill  Yeah, what if they stumbled upon, you know, Megan rebuilding herself and she’s like, you know, that half created corpse dragging along the.  Dion  Yeah, yeah.  Speaker 4  Floor.  Dion  Exactly who wanted to play a tea party with a little girl? That that’s all she is in her brain. And she’s like I’m 43 years old.  Jill  Kind of. Horror motif.  Speaker 7  I’m not a little.  Dion  Girl anymore. You know, it’s kind of. Like ohh.  Jill  Yeah, they took the cheap way out. I.  Quinny  Think. Yeah. And they went for. Yeah, suffication. And they went for superheroes and they went and.  Dion  I feel like I feel like. They didn’t go for yes vacation. They went for merchandising opportunities.  Quinny  Yeah, yeah.  Dion  You. Know.  Speaker  Yeah.  Jill  The marketing team wrote the movie.  Dion  Yeah, I feel like a little like it looked like, you know, Megan had enough versions in the sequel that you’re like, ohh, that’s an action figure line.  Quinny  Yeah. So we’ve, we’ve, we’ve got sci-fi Robo doll. Megan, we’ve got, like, original Megan Reed rebuilt. We’ve got.  Dion  Assassin Amelia, Cyber Amelia, you know.  Quinny  Yeah. Yeah, motherboard God. Amelia. Amelia.  Dion  Or, you know, low jacking the brain implant. Megan, which is actually.  Quinny  Hmm yeah. Once again and there was an idea when Megan Labor, I love it, but.  Jill  That’s the one in the. Squirrel outfit, where she’s flying into the Silicon Valley.  Quinny  See and that was the whole number where I went. What the **** did we just become? Like, you know, Tom Cruise. At what point in time did Megan have to become Tom?  Dion  Yeah, exactly.  Jill  She’s a robot. She doesn’t show up on anything. Why is she flying in stealth mission?  Speaker 8  Like.  Quinny  It was dumb. It was just. It’s too dumb. Was Benoit Blunt dumb? Ohhh yeah. But yeah, like on a on a very surface level. Yeah. OK, that’s fun. Yeah, great. But it’s not because it’s dumb and it doesn’t add up to anything. And there are so many better ideas out there. Why aren’t they hiring us?  Dion  I don’t know. Corny start pitching them and then.  Quinny  I guess the well used to be. Have somebody who’s very good at pitching on our team, so maybe we.  Dion  Should, couldn’t you start writing it? Then you hand that writing over to Jill, Jill, Yasir, fly. The **** out of.  Jill  It. Yeah, it’s not within an inch.  Dion  I’ll I’ll add.  Jill  Of its life.  Dion  Yeah. And then she’ll give it to me and I’ll Add all the things that the executives want to cut out so that they feel like they’ve done something. And then we should be able to get it through, no worries. And then Peter, Peter will take all those ideas, screw them up, throw them away and make something worthy. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.  Quinny  Sweet, so. Actual thing that it’s doing.  Dion  That has nothing to do with killer robots and more stuff to do with. I don’t know crocodiles. Yeah. And like, sure environment. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Worthwhile. Projects.  Quinny  Dion  Well, you know, look, hey, that’s. All I’ve got to say about methadone.  Quinny  So I’m I’m very excited cause what are we doing next week? Folks.  Dion  Next week, you mean for the show or next week for the screening next next Wednesday special time again next Wednesday or we are going back to Dinotopia. That’s right. They made a movie about the Dinotopia books which are quite excellent. So all of those things here now is it seventh film in the franchise of Jurassic something.  Speaker  Yes. Mm-hmm.  Quinny  All I need to know, yes, this is the I I haven’t seen it yet because I came down sick and couldn’t go to the screening.  Dion  Don’t worry, we went for. You.  Quinny  Thank you. Thank you very much. Are they doing Dino riders yet? *************.  Dion  No.  Quinny  Like I don’t understand why this is so hard.  Jill  There’s some Dinos right in the.  Dion  Yeah.  Quinny  Actually, so uncomfortable with that.  Dion  I mean, there was also a lot of.  Jill  And yeah, Karina’s just said Jonathan Bailey’s ****** little glasses pressed to her. Even those ****** little glasses could not save this film.  Speaker 7  Although also next Wednesday, Jill hold hold off for for that one. Yeah. Yeah. Next week.  Quinny  Oh, oh, cards on the table early.  Jill  Everyone knows my love for wanton dinosaur destruction.  Dion  Yeah, it’s, it’s, it’s.  Speaker  Yep.  Quinny  I’m and I’m wanton dinosaur.  Jill  Destruction. Yeah, I I, yeah. Still want it.  Dion  Sure. I mean, we’ll do all that and more next Wednesday, but because we’re not, we’re doing it Wednesday because on Tuesday, what are we?  Speaker 4  We’re gonna watch. Yes.  Dion  Which is save us. Save us James Gunn, save.  Quinny  Very excited about that.  Speaker  Us.  Quinny  Just looking forward to Nathan Fillion’s Bowl cut more than.  Dion  Who knows? Who knows what that’s gonna be?  Quinny  Anything.  Speaker 4  Going to. Is he?  Jill  Playing guy Gardner.  Quinny  100%. How have you missed this job?  Jill  I keep saying I got it in the trailer, but I didn’t realize. It was nice.  Quinny  And when you look at it, you like, oh, that’s actually pretty. Much perfect for Guy Gardner.  Dion  Yeah. Yeah. And as long as he’s a complete ****.  Quinny  Yep, yeah. Have you seen the videos where he’s using his ring constructs as just big middle fingers?  Dion  Gotta be he just has to be. I’m like no.  Jill  Ohh God, I’m going to like this movie, aren’t.  Quinny  I I’m looking forward to it, if nothing else, just because there’s a whole bunch of ******* crypto.  Dion  We’ll see. And then at the end.  Quinny  And.  Dion  Of. The month? Yeah. At the end of the month. Don’t forget we’re doing the movie. That’s out today on Netflix, which is the old guard too.  Quinny  Good God, yes.  Dion  Yeah. There you go. You got your homework. Got your stuff there. Hey, just before we all end up, I just want to get a quick, quick litmus test. How are we all feeling about the running man trailer?  Quinny  Yep, Yep. Plenty of stuff out there.  Dion  Oh. Oh, wait, wait, wait. Jill.  Jill  I’ve been doing work at work, which sucks so.  Dion  Did.  Speaker  Well.  Speaker 7  More full you work.  Quinny  Are you at home, which sucks too?  Dion  Yeah, you should just have a window open on your computer that can hide quickly when someone walks past you with trailers running constantly.  Speaker  Do. Hmm.  Jill  How can I hear them?  Dion  One earpod like thing that’s.  Speaker 4  In there. Ohh Glenn Powell.  Quinny  Yes.  Dion  Did you watch the 80s? One Schwarzenegger running man.  Speaker 4  Maybe.  Dion  He’s a convict. He’s being chased down by Dynamo. And change does or and.  Quinny  You. You. Yeah. I was gonna say.  Dion  Like a bunch of 80s wrestlers are the villains in it who are like who have been Yasir fried and have come out and try to hunt down on Schwarzenegger.  Quinny  Exactly. It’s.  Dion  You’ll you’ll love it.  Quinny  It’s very 80s WWF like animal and hawk, ******* the The Undertaker and all that kind of stuff.  Dion  Yeah, yeah, yeah.  Quinny  But the idea being that, yeah, this guy has signed up or has been essentially press ganged into participating in this televised Death Race. Yeah, where? Yeah. American Gladiators chase you all over the place and try. And kill you for real, yeah.  Dion  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And instead of just knock you out, they actually literally cut you and have the chainsaw.  Quinny  And it’s all televised. Yeah. Yeah. So it’s. Yeah. It’s based on Richard Backman book, Our Last Stephen King. Yep. And the original always had a bit of a kind of a darker, more kind of like, social commentary thing of like.  Jill  My cup of tea.  Speaker  Hmm.  Quinny  Could you imagine where our world gotten so bad that people take?  Dion  We’ll do this.  Quinny  A gig. You know where they just possibly get hunted down. But if they survive, they get all the money in the.  Speaker  Yeah.  Quinny  World or whatever. And that was before reality TV became the yeah. Yes, exactly. Like I love that Stephen King was like, oh, this is just reality TV before. OK.  Jill  Dion  Funnily enough, one of the one. Of the things I actually read the.  Quinny  You you have.  Dion  I watched the movie and I read the book and the book has a. Much different ending. Which is way, way ******* darker. Yeah, but now Edgar Wright is remaking the running man, and it’s Glenn Powell. And Glen Powell has been kind of again, press gangle set up to be in this game, and the game is the same sort of thing. But in this world. Of the current state, which is constant surveillance, people around you all the time, everyone has phones and everyone is playing like they’ve got some hunters that are trying to kill you. But if you feed the information of the location to the whereabouts of this person to a hunter, you can win money too.  Jill  Ohh.  Dion  So everyone’s on the hunt for you and you just have to survive 36 hours. That’s it.  Quinny  The the unfortunate thing is now looking at the State of America and like, yeah, you know, ice and stuff. I’m like, oh, ****, this is it’s kind of a little. Bit. ******* close, yeah.  Dion  Yep, I feel like it’s it’s we’re we’re six months away from this actually being a new thing.  Quinny  Mm-hmm. I’m just, yeah, worried that people are gonna go. Let’s do that. Let’s. Do that as as an actor. We’ll see.  Dion  But not here. We haven’t got there that just.  Quinny  No. Yet no, no, we’re we’re, we’re.  Dion  We’re doing OK. Hey, at the moment, look in in in NSW, the rain has stopped. It’s the the the cyclone bomb hasn’t been too bad and the sun’s out. So everything’s great. Peachy keen.  Quinny  Yeah. Yeah, we’re doing alright. You guys doing OK seeing you for.  Dion  Happy days.  Speaker  Yeah, we’re doing that.  Quinny  Dion  A while I don’t know. You’ve been where? D&D’s.  Quinny  Ohh yeah, actually I do want to give a little bit of a shout out to the the wonderful critters of Australia so.  Dion  Like echidnas and.  Quinny  Yep, drop beers. Tie pens.  Dion  Koalas. Kangaroos.  Quinny  Yeah, but yeah, no. Like, I went down to Melbourne last week, which is why I couldn’t do the show to go to.  Dion  And probably where you got.  Quinny  Yes, it’s possibility because that’s where I got the ropes.  Speaker  Sorry to know.  Dion  Anyone else who went to Melbourne to Rod Laver Arena last week? It’s Quinny Quinn gave. You COVID? Yep, all 11,000.  Quinny  Of you. I’m sorry. Sorry. Yeah, but yeah, it was. It was lovely. And, you know another 5 hour show of D&D, which was very entertaining. And Tom Cardy was very, very good. He did both shows very, very entertaining. Held his own against, you know, people who have been doing this for 10 years. And yeah, there’s nothing quite like seeing 11,000 ******* Dean Dean, nerds singing along to a, you know, a song and shining all their lights. It was it was like going to a massive music concert. But you watch them do maths on stage. Like at one point I’m pretty sure somebody was like adding up this goals and was like. 11,000 people watching me do maths. This is like every nightmare. I’ve ever had.  Dion  That’s good.  Quinny  Yeah. And we saw Tari, who was in the chat before. But I don’t think he’s there anymore. Yeah, and.  Dion  Ohh.  Quinny  You got a pretty unitary. Pretty kangaroo in Sydney, Tara and Melbourne caught up with some friends, had a lovely time. Generally it was ******* delightful and I have been paying for it ever since it’s been so.  Speaker  No.  Dion  Excellent.  Quinny  I’ve been watching a lot of TV. I watched weird TV show called Scavengers Reign and everybody should check it out. Actually, no, I’m I’m not going to say that. It is the weirdest ******* animated series I’ve ever watched and. It’s. I I have a thing called trypophobia. Where you know, seeing holes and uneven patterns and stuff like that creeps me the **** out. This show is just all that. It’s just Cronenberg body horror, ******* weird, alien mushroom, creepy. Oddness. But it’s really quite cool. Like very slow burn. Very weird. Have you ever seen the art of Mobius, the French designer?  Jill  Right.  Dion  Yes, I know of moob the moob.  Quinny  Yeah, it’s. It’s like a lot of that anyway. No, I didn’t go to the Lego Star Wars exhibition. I’m sorry.  Dion  How dare you? You’re not one of us anymore, Connie. I’m looking forward to going seeing some soccer soon. Oh.  Jill  Yes, we yes off to see Wrexham. I have, yes.  Quinny  Ohh Yep. Have you watched the last of the episodes? Of this season.  Dion  I have not. Yeah, I have not. Yeah. And Jill, you going to get your wrestle on soon?  Jill  Try again, yes. I am. I got *******.  Speaker 4  Tickets to ******* WWE.  Jill  In October, I’m going to smack down. I’m going to crown jewel. I’m going to roar. **** yeah.  Dion  Nice.  Quinny  That’s so cool. Where’s that on here in Sydney?  Jill  Or no? Is it the RC in Perth?  Speaker 7  Oh.  Quinny  They often go to Perth. I don’t know why.  Jill  Because they have a three-year contract with WA government.  Quinny  Ohh, I always wondered why like because that’s a long ******* way to go.  Speaker  Yeah.  Dion  Yes, but also the WA government has money and also all of the FIFO workers over there probably really do like the.  Speaker 7  Wrestling that’s be honest.  Quinny  Yeah, yeah. True.  Dion  That’s that thing.  Quinny  We’re well and truly down for.  Dion  That’s creating a stereotype and I’m like, I don’t care to that.  Quinny  That.  Jill  Very, very excited, though it was a little bit of a Taylor Swift moment trying to get the tickets. Ohh, we got them. We got the.  Quinny  There.  Dion  Got the tickets.  Quinny  Well done.  Dion  Yeah, and that’s just trying think what else is coming out this week? Ohh, naked gun at the end of the month and Fantastic Four. So.  Quinny  Yeah, and and our, our, we are definitely keen to try and sort out Fantastic Four but yeah, we’ll we’ll see what happens like.  Dion  Yeah, we’ll see what happens. Who knows, there’s currently. There’s currently rumours that Pedro Pascal might even be here for the premier, which is making everyone panic. That who? Yeah, like I don’t.  Jill  Get the *******.  Quinny  So so if if he’s here for the premiere, we probably won’t be going to the screening.  Dion  No, we won’t be able to get within 400 kilometres of the screening cause of. Gaming.  Quinny  Yeah, ohh all of them are. Coming for it. Yeah, I. Mean we’re definitely not going to Australia.  Dion  No. Yeah. Maybe we will. Who? Who? Who knows? Like, you know, they’re just gonna do their thing.  Quinny  Put the request in but you know.  Dion  Yeah. Who? Who knows?  Quinny  Pretty Kangas you said. Yeah, strange new worlds coming back at the end of the week. End of the month.  Jill  Ohh no I have to resub to. Paramount back.  Quinny  Yeah.  Dion  Y

In this episode of the Just Schools Podcast, Jill Anderson and Dr. Jon Eckert engage in conversation about the profound impact of educators and the importance of recognizing their contributions. Jon tells us inspiring anecdotes of teachers who have made a lasting difference in students' lives, reflecting on the transformative power of kindness and support in education. Jon recounts a personal experience from his own schooling, to emphasize the enduring influence of a compassionate teacher. They explore the crucial role of validation and collaboration between educators and parents in nurturing children's well-being and development. While acknowledging the challenges educators face, such as burnout and high expectations, they also highlight the resilience and hope inherent in the teaching profession. The dialogue focuses on the significance of prioritizing joy, growth, and meaningful connections in education, beyond mere academic success. Ultimately, the conversation stands as a heartfelt tribute to educators, celebrating their tireless dedication and profound impact on shaping young lives. To learn more, order Jon's book, Just Teaching: Feedback, Engagement, and Well-Being for Each Student.   The Just Schools Podcast is brought to you by the Baylor Center for School Leadership. Each week, we'll talk to catalytic educators who are doing amazing work.   Be encouraged. Connect with us: Baylor MA in School Leadership Baylor Doctorate in Education Jon Eckert: @eckertjon Center for School Leadership at Baylor University: @baylorcsl Mentioned: The Anxious Generation: How the Great Rewiring of Childhood Is Causing an Epidemic of Mental Illness by Jonathan Haidt Bad Therapy: Why the Kids Aren't Growing Up by Abigail Shrier    Transcription: Jill: Hi, my name is Jill Anderson and I'm the director of the Center for School Leadership. Jon is with me here, and we're going to flip the script today, and I will be asking the questions. Jon has heard and experienced so many incredible stories from educators across the world. And so to celebrate the Teacher Appreciation Week, we wanted to share some of those stories to encourage and to inspire the good work that each of the educators out there are doing to help each student flourish. So we'll go ahead and get started with the first question. Can you share a story or two of an inspiring teacher? Jon: Yeah. So as we always talk about, we have the best job in education because this is what we do. We just go all over the world and find good things that are happening and try to highlight those, elevate those, and spread those ideas. And they're always built around human beings. And so these stories of cool things happening, I have a ton of those and we'll share them throughout the episode today. But I have to go all the way back to my first grade because that's now I guess about 43 years ago, that would be, that I was in first grade, and this is still as memorable as something that happened yesterday to me. And that's where the power of an educator comes in into the life of a student, where that educator comes alongside and helps that kid become more of who they're created to be. So this happened. The first part of it, it's not such a great teaching example, the second part is good, so stick with me. So I'm in art class. I love art. It's one of my favorite parts of the day. We're getting ready for Halloween, so we're making witches and so we're having to cut out the circle part of the head. And Mrs. Fleshy, the art teacher who've been doing it for quite a while and was a little grumpy, but she's been managing elementary kids in art for probably 30 years, so that could wear anybody down. But she's going around and passing out the scissors. And I don't know if people that are listening, if you're old enough to remember this, but left-handed scissors were always green-handled scissors. And so I knew I was left-handed, but I'd also been diagnosed with dyslexia. And so I had a really hard time knowing which hand was which. I had a hard time reversing words, you could put was and saw on top of each other. And I knew they were different, I couldn't tell you how. Six and nine, B and D they felt like they were invented by Satan just to confuse me. And so I get the scissors and she's watching me because I think she didn't believe I was left-handed. And I put them on my right hand. She's like, she snatched them from me. She's like, "Oh, you're not left-handed." And she gave me the silver-handled scissors. Jill: So sad. Jon: And I was like, "Ah, but I..." And she's moved on to the next person. And so then we're trying to cut out these circles. And if you remember the old scissors at least, if you had them on the wrong hand they did not cut. And so I'm sitting there so frustrated because I cannot get the scissors to cut the paper with my right hand, which I know I'm supposed to have on my right hand and I can't cut with my right. So I try on my left and then they really don't work. And so I start to cry because I'm that frustrated. And Mrs. Fleshy from the front of the room, she says to me, and I can still hear her, I can still smell her too actually, "Jon, if you're going to be disruptive, you need to just get out of class." I'm like, oh. So I go out of the class, I sit in the hallway and just tears are pouring down. And fifth graders are walking by me and sixth graders, and I'm just completely mortified but I can't stop. My first grade teacher, Ms. Thayer comes walking by and she's also been teaching for 30 years. I always say the best teachers in a building and the worst teachers in the building are typically the most veteran teachers, because they're either amazing and they have all that expertise or they're kind of just waiting for retirement. So you have that. So Ms. Thayer comes by and she sees me and she grabs me by my hand. And she takes me back to the room and we sit knee-to-knee in those little first grade chairs. And she asked me to tell her what happened. And so through those halting sobby breaths, I get out what happened? And she just looks at me and she says, "Mrs. Frischi shouldn't have done that to you." And then she gives me this big hug. And from then on I would run through a wall for that woman. And 43 years later, I still get chills thinking about the way she saw me, knew me and loved me in that moment just by breaking adult code saying, "Hey, that was wrong. And I know you weren't trying to be disruptive." And she gave me that hug and I was like, "Hey, I am forever loyal to you, Mrs. Thayer." So many other stories we see all around the world but I just thought I'd start with that one, because I don't think I've ever told that story very publicly. And so I was like, hey, Ms. Thayer needs to get honored wherever she's at now. I'm sure she's up in heaven at this point listening to this podcast. Jill: Yeah, I definitely had not heard that story, but that's such an amazing story to share it because of the validation, it's all it took. It was just to sit at your level and understand what you were going through and that was it. So it's not very hard to do, but it takes some time and thought to say, "Okay, I need to take a minute and see what this kid's going through." Jon: Exactly. Jill: So how can we celebrate teachers? Jon: So I think at the center, you're the director. It's great by the way having somebody else ask the questions because that's usually my role. So thank you for doing that. I think what we do is we just keep elevating the good work that's happening all over the place. There are amazing things happening that we see in the US. I've been to Australia, to England, I go to New Zealand this summer, and we're seeing amazing things happening with educators in public schools and private schools. And so just honoring the work of the profession and taking the time to listen and observe. I'll give you two quick examples where there's this reinforcing cycle of this relational component. That's where the hope always is, is in relationship. Teaching's one of the most human things we do. And so, I was in South Carolina last year. I was in a rural school and was in an early childhood classroom for at-risk kids and walked into this room and in the corner there's this tiny little wheelchair, which there's not much more depressing than a tiny wheelchair. And then a little guy who's less than 30 pounds laying on this mat, and he was just recovering from a seizure. And so he was really exhausted. He's trying to make eye contact with this teacher and he's making this noise. He's not verbal and he's making this noise, and you can tell he just wants the teacher's attention. And she's working with a small group of kids in the other corner. And she notices and she goes over and she just scoops him up, gives him a big hug, his head is on her shoulder and he's looking at me and he is so happy. And so the teacher just kind of offhandedly looks at me and she said, "Hey, sometimes we just need some snuggles." And that kid in that moment was seen, known and loved in that really simple way. And so I've given you a first grade example. I've given you an early childhood example. I want to jump ahead to validating what a high school teacher did. So she's got seniors, I'm not sure, I think she was either an English or a history teacher. And she was sharing this story at one of our professional learning sessions that we were doing last year. And she was recounting the fact that the office had called down to her room to let her know that her father had fallen and had a brain bleed they thought. And she needed to get to him as soon as possible. And so her students that were with her, they heard this because it came through. And before they would let her go, they all got around her and put hands on her and prayed for her before they would let her leave to go be with her father. Jill: That's so amazing. Jon: So that loving relationship, that part that we do it's not just a one way street. That comes back to us. It's not why we love kids so that they will love us back and it's not our job to be their friends, but when we see them, know them and love them, that gets reciprocated for us in a way that's just truly life-giving. So I think anytime we can find those life-giving things and lean into those and then elevate those to let people know all the amazing things that are happening in schools. We hear all the negative stuff because media has a negativity bias to it. But there are amazing things happening in classrooms all over the place. And so how do we see those relationships and the way kids are becoming more of who they're created to be because of the work that's going on in the classroom? Jill: Yeah, absolutely. Those are great stories to be able to share. So on that note, how do we bring more joy to the profession? Jon: So I think part of it is celebrating the right things. So when we think about joy or wellbeing or flourishing, sometimes people think of that as meaning freedom from struggle. And that's not what it is. To me, joy isn't circumstantial. Joy is in this deep abiding hope that there is more. And that joy isn't freedom from struggle but it's the freedom to struggle well. So how do we help educators see what they're doing in the lives of students that allows them to have the energy and fuel to do more? What does that look like for them? And then how do we celebrate that, because I think we've oversold wellbeing over the last few years that like, "Okay, that's really hard for you. You don't have to do that right now." And when we do that, that robs kids of the joy that comes from doing something that they didn't think they could do. And then they do it and they do it well, and there's great joy in that. So if we rob kids the opportunity to struggle, we also rob them of the opportunity to have joy. And so if we think about happiness as being something that we want kids to always feel happy, they're not going to grow very much. And we know all the way back to Vygotsky's own approximate development, the distance between what you can do on your own and what you can do with assistants where you push and stretch is where learning is. So learning is productive struggle. So how do we build that in without making it be a burnout thing? And we don't avoid burnout by getting Jeans day on Friday. That's nice. But where we really find meaning and joy is in celebrating the growth that we see. So if you want an educator to stay in education, help them see what's happening in my view as a Christian that the Lord is doing through them in the lives of a student. That's what gets you up in the morning, how do we keep seeing that and keep building on that. Jill: Absolutely. So you've talked a lot about using the phrase just a teacher. Can you talk a little bit about that, how we avoid using it as just a teacher and how we can switch that around to just teaching? Jon: Yeah. So the book Just Teaching, Feedback, Inclusion and Well-being for Each Student, plays on that phrase that, oh, I'm just a teacher, or, oh, they're just a teacher. And as educators we 100% have to stop referring to ourselves as just a teacher. Education is the profession that makes all others possible. There is great power in that role, and everyone has experienced this. If they've had a good teacher or their child has had a good teacher, the difference that makes. There is huge power in that. And we steal ourselves, we rob ourselves of that when we refer to ourselves as just a teacher. And so when we talk about just teachers, we're talking about teachers that teach for justice and flourishing by making sure each kid is seen, known and loved. And you do that by making sure they're well, that they're engaged and they get feedback. That we give them the opportunity to stretch. It's not to work ourselves into oblivion. It's not just continuing to add more and more to our plates. I think in some places burnout has become a badge of honor and educators think everything requires the extra mile. That's not it. How do we put the work on students that allows them to do the work that will allow them to flourish? And we take the work that's ours, but our job is to coach them through that, not do it for them. Jill: Exactly. Yeah, and even as a parent, I'm not a teacher, I haven't been a teacher, but as a parent I can see that in my own kids. And it's so hard to watch them go through that struggle, but once they get to the other side you're like, okay, this is a good thing that I did to help them grow in that area. Jon: Yeah. Well, we all know nobody wants to be stretched. It's no fun to be, but we all appreciate the benefit of the stretching on the back end. Jill: Yeah, absolutely. So speaking of being a parent, how as a parent can we support teachers in the best way? Jon: Well, I think we need to view our role as teachers, I'll start there, as being a partner of the parent and helping that kid flourish because regardless, in my view there are parents that do bad things for kids. But no parent wants to do things that harm their kid. They care about that kid more than anything else on earth. And sometimes as a teacher you sometimes scratch your head, well, I don't know why we're doing that. And parent-teacher conferences are always this eye-opening moment of, I can't believe that kid gets to school every day because of some of the stuff that goes on. But 95% of parents want what's best for kids. And I would say teachers are there too, nobody really goes into teaching because they want to harm kids. That's not a thing. So if we can keep our child the focus of the interaction and not get on the defensive as teachers or parents about hey... Because it's sometimes hard, especially if parents didn't have great experiences in schools, it's hard for them to come back into school and hear feedback that feels critical because it feels like they're being judged as a parent. And nobody wants to be judged or evaluated, we all want to get better. So how do we make getting better for the kid be our joint mission as parents and educators? And I think I'll go back to the joy piece, if we want our kids to experience joy and be the kind of human beings we want them to be, then we have to give them opportunity to struggle well. How can they stretch? And so that's where parents and educators can be great partners in that, what's the extracurricular activity that you need to really shine? You're not great in math, great, work harder at math. You can't just not do that. You're going go- Jill: Not do it, yeah. Jon: But then, oh, you really love art. Well, lean into art. What can you do there? You don't do art instead of math. You want to be a well-rounded human being that does it. The other thing I would encourage parents to do and this'll come into, I think you'll probably ask me for a book recommendation at some point, but as you think about who your kid's becoming, don't try to parent and engineer all of the pain out of their lives. You can't do it. Jill: That's good. Jon: You can't do it. And so how do you put those guardrails on where they know you're safe, they know that they are loved and nothing they do will change that love. However, some things they do may change how much they please you. So it's not like everything you do is fine. We just love you. You're all great. No, you can make some bad decisions that I am not going to be pleased about and I'm going to tell you. And here is wisdom from an adult who's been through all these things too, and here are some thoughts. And so the one place when I said that I was like, we really have to be smart with smartphones and social media. That is an introduced thing that didn't affect us as parents, and I'm so grateful I didn't have it. That world that's introduced there, the more as parents we can partner with schools to figure out the best ways to use technology. And how to create some freedom from it because it is oppressive. And no matter how much we think we're training them how to use it, adults aren't good at using their smartphones. Jill: I definitely am not either. I have to use the focus feature to be able to avoid it when I'm trying to do work. Jon: Right. If you've caught yourself, and I know I've done it when you and I have been talking, if you catch yourself talking to someone who's an embodied human being right in front of you and you get a buzz on your phone and you're paying attention to that, what are we doing? We're saying that's more important than this human being. So if adults are doing that, we really need to think through what that's like for people with underdeveloped frontal cortexes that allow them to discipline themselves with it. And so I think we really need to be thoughtful about that as parents, how can we do that in a way that allow our kids to really enjoy being with each other and figure out how to navigate life with other people? Jill: Yeah, absolutely. And I was going to ask you about book recommendations. I feel like you're leading into Anxious Generation. Is that the one that you were going to talk about? Jon: Well, we've been talking about... I just read that book last week by Jonathan Haidt, and I've been citing his article in the Atlantic from last summer about schools should ban smartphones, like hard stop ban smartphones. He also has the recommendation that anybody under the age that's not in high school should not have a smartphone, flip phones. Other ways to communicate fine, but no smartphones till high school and no social media until you're 16. And it's really hard to disagree with that. From what I've seen, I feel like kids are so much freer when they have that. And he gives an example in his book about his six-year-old daughter who's on her iPad, and she can't figure out what's going on that there are engineers in a multi-billion dollar industry whose job is to keep her paying attention to the iPad no matter what, because the kid is the product. That's what they're selling to advertisers, that's what they're selling. And she says to her dad, "Dad, can you take this away from me? I can't get my eyes off of it." Jill: Wow, that's really powerful. Jon: Yeah, and so I think that's really where we're. So The Anxious Generation, he has a lot of reasons why we're anxious. It's not just smartphone's bad, it's smartphones disrupt and stunt development for kids because we're not having the human interactions, everything's mediated through social media which is not real. So instead of looking, when I grew up in the '70s and '80s, especially for girls, you walk by the checkout at the grocery store and you see these models that are airbrushed and they look perfect and all this. Now, girls go on and they see that and these are their competition at school, and it's not real but it feels real. And so they curate their lives to look like something they're not, which just breeds all kinds of anxiety because it's not an embodied interaction. They're saying, "Oh yeah, I know that person. That person's like this. They're not like they're real or what it looks like on Instagram." So it's devastating. And then for boys, it's less the social media, it's more the gaming and the pornography that kids are finding at ages 10 and 11 where it's just wide open for them. Jill: So young, yeah. Jon: And again, there are features that are meant to try to limit it but if you can put in a fake birthday, you can get to just about anything. And so there's a lot of responsibility in technology, but I don't see them making a change because the incentives aren't there for them to change. I think as parents, we have to be the parents and say, "Hey, collectively, we're not going to do this." Because if you're the only parent doing it, that's really hard. And in the book, he suggests that get 10 families together that are going to commit to this, that we're not going to jump on this boat of social media, early smartphones all the time. And I think as schools, we have to make the hard decision to say, "Hey, for eight hours a day we're giving you a break from these" and not just don't have them out, because that becomes really hard to enforce in schools. It's these get turned into a pouch that's locked for the day, or these go into a smartphone locker for the day and then you get them at the end of the day. And parents, I would just encourage you to support your schools if they do that. A lot of parents are fighting it because you want immediate access to your kids. You have it, call the office. There are adults charged with taking care of your kid. Trust them to do that. If you trust them for eight hours a day, you can trust them to get an important message to your kid. Jill: Right. I've seen the attitude change just with my own kids. I have an 11-year-old, and so she recently got in trouble and got her phone taken away for a week. And she was an amazing kid. She's creative, she was drawing, she was involved in conversations, engaging, and then she got her phone back and we're like, Where did Bella go? Look, we haven't seen her." So it totally changes who they are. So yeah, I've seen it myself. So what advice would you give educators out there? Jon: So you've already picked up on some of it, so I'll just try to sum it up into a sound bite. Lean into joy, but don't think of joy as being lacking struggle. Where are you seeing growth in yourself as an educator? Where are you seeing growth in your classroom? Lean into that, celebrate that, that's where joy is. And so even when you talk about smartphones, it's not banning something. It's inviting kids into deeper engagement, into that human... When kids get to a camp and they don't have phones for a week and they get to try new things and get to be with other people like, oh, this is great. It's like the veil has come off, the haze that they're in is gone. It's like, oh, they look around there's this amazing world and these amazing people. And so I think we need the same thing for our classrooms. We need to lean into really why we got into teaching in the first place, and that's to help other people grow and become more of who they're created to be. Jill: Yeah, absolutely. So on the flip side, what would be the worst advice that you've heard? Jon: This is hard to say. I got an article out called The Wellbeing Myth, and I think we have oversold wellbeing. And I think it's bad advice to say that kids can't learn if you don't make sure everything's okay. I think we need to focus less on some of those, even the SEL stuff, social emotional learning pieces have been oversold. It's like do hard things together, that works. There was another line, this again goes back to Haidt's book, it maybe Haidt's book or it may be Bad Therapy. I've got two books now coming together in my head. But that parents, adults, or whatever, can help kids learn how to make friends. The way you learn how to make friends is you try to make friends. And it's great to have somebody that you can talk to, "Hey, I tried this and this didn't work very well and whatever." But there's not a recipe for making friends. Okay, be kind, do unto others as you want them doing to you. There's some basic principles. But you know how kids learn those? By trying to do it. So I think teachers and parents, I think sometimes we need to step back a little bit and let kids play more and try stuff more. The average kid in elementary school in the US right now gets 27 minutes a day of recess. That is tragic. That was the height of my day. I would go home with my basketball and kickball stats every day for my three recesses. I look back and I was like, recess was the greatest thing ever. And I might've learned more at recess than I did in the classroom about how to interact with human beings. So like, hey, step back. Give them some space. That's wellbeing. So worry more about the virtual world and worry less about the real world. Let the kids... Haidt has this great line, let them get bruises, not scars. Jill: I love that. That's really great. So what would you say is one of the biggest challenges that you see for educators in the year ahead? Jon: We have a really hard job as educators because so much is expected of educators. Every policy decision, every government action is like, we'll do this through schools because there are schools in every community. So more and more it gets layered on top of educators all the time. And it makes sense from a policy perspective. It's like you have a beach head into every neighborhood, but educators can't do everything. And when we try, we don't do any of it very well and we end up burned out. And so we are seeing amazing educators leave the profession and other people not wanting to go into the profession because teachers aren't making education look like a very appealing job, even though it's the greatest job ever. It doesn't look like that to students. And so that's a challenge and it's a vicious cycle that's continuing. So much is asked, I burn out, it doesn't look like an appealing profession and that's a challenge. Jill: Absolutely. So I want to end on a positive note, what's the thing that makes you the most optimistic as you look ahead? Jon: So our whole deal at the center is to focus on adaptive challenges and improvement that we can make. And so these are short cycle data collections, what can you do in 90 days that makes a difference for kids? And we're seeing teams of educators in schools literally all over the world, we're in 45 plus countries and all 50 states. And we're seeing people make improvement. Now, I don't like talking about solutions because I think solutions are often too pat and too oversimplified where improvement is, well, if you've got a dumpster fire, put the fire out first. You're not building the Taj Mahal while the fire is burning. So it's how do we make those gains and then that builds momentum, especially when you see teachers and students doing together. So I'll end with this really encouraging note that I saw last week. Well, I'll give you a specific example of something that just was super inspiring to me and then a system example. Is that okay? Jill: Okay. Yeah, that sounds great. Jon: All right. So the system example was in South Carolina, we've been working with these schools that are doing collective leadership all over the state for eight years. I'm the program evaluator and researcher so I've been studying this high school, Blythewood High School. And this year when they had their showcase of the progress they've made each year, they brought the students to do it. So I was in a session where juniors and seniors in high school were talking about the collective leadership of their educators, and the way that was affecting their system as students. And the way they were leading alongside educators. I was like, Oh- Jill: That's really cool. Jon: This is the dream. The kids own it. It's not buy-in, they own it. The other story I'll give, and this was maybe my favorite classroom visit from the last year where this makes me optimistic. Brad Livingstone, who's our first gent, he's the husband of our president, Linda Livingstone and I was in his history classroom. And he's an amazing history teacher. He teaches World War II history and Vietnam War history at a local school. And the teaching's amazing, I was there for the Do-little raids. It was amazing World War II, so I enjoyed that. But at the beginning of the class, he's having students report out how many veterans they thanked the past week. So every Monday morning they report in how many veterans they thanked for what they did. And he got them doing this, and he's done this for years in all the different schools he's been in. He drives a van full of them to HEB in the middle of the day at the beginning of the semester. And he said, "Go out and find people that are my age or older and ask them if they served in the military. And if they do, introduce yourself, thank them for their service." Jill: That's awesome. Jon: And so they go out in teams and do that, and then he's like, "Now it's on you. You got to do this." And you got to get 50 this semester. And if you get 50, the goal is to get 1000 thank-yous in the course of the semester. That fundamentally changes the community. It doesn't just change the classroom. It doesn't just change the kids, that changes the community. Once you get to 50, you get a vial of sand from Normandy that he's collected. The kid who has the most thank-yous in a semester gets a vial of sand from Iwo Jima, which is in his way of saying it is the most difficult soil to get in the world because the only way you're allowed to go to Iwo Jima is if you are connected to Japan or you're a military liaison to Japan for the United States. That's the only way you get on that island. And so a veteran brought him back some sand from Iwo Jima. So one kid each semester gets that sand. And I'm sitting in there and this kid has thanked 75 veterans that past week. I was like, "How did you do it?" And he said, "Well, I go to football games and I watch for how people stand up and salute the flag during the national anthem. And then I go find them." I was like- Jill: That's awesome. Jon: ...how amazing is that? So those kinds of small changes are the kinds of things that change our community in a society that feels like it's super broken and polarized, that changes people. And so that's the hope. Jill: That is such a cool story. Thanks for sharing that. Thanks for sharing all the other stories, and I really hope that it was an encouragement to all the educators out there. We are so grateful for the work that you do on a daily basis and making a difference in the lives of each student. Jon: Yeah, thanks for all you do, Jill. It's great. We have a great job. Jill: Yeah, we do.

At DoorGrow, we love showing off the awesome entrepreneurial people we get to coach and work with every day. In today's episode, property management growth experts Jason and Sarah Hull sit down with DoorGrow clients Jill Lyons and Alex Platt to talk about their journey in property management and with DoorGrow. You'll Learn [03:00] Starting a journey with coaching [07:26] Finding support as an entrepreneur [12:18] The path to success is hard work [16:54] Getting out of the business [19:28] The importance of good company culture [21:20] The impact of coaching Tweetables “Done is better than perfect.” “The more valuable you are to your business, the less valuable your business is.” “If you don't mind working, you don't set up boundaries.” “Just being open to the thought and the idea is enough to make it work.” Resources DoorGrow and Scale Mastermind DoorGrow Academy DoorGrow on YouTube DoorGrowClub DoorGrowLive TalkRoute Referral Link Transcript [00:00:00] Jason: The more valuable you are to your business, the less valuable your business is. Ooh, like that one.  [00:00:07] Welcome DoorGrow property managers to the #DoorGrowShow. If you are a property management entrepreneur that wants to add doors, make a difference, increase revenue, help others, impact lives, and you're interested in growing in business and life, and you're open to doing things a bit differently, then you are a DoorGrow property manager. DoorGrow property managers love the opportunities, daily variety, unique challenges, and freedom that property management brings. Many in real estate think you're crazy for doing it. You think they're crazy for not because you realize that property management is the ultimate, high trust gateway to real estate deals, relationships, and residual income. [00:00:47] At DoorGrow, we are on a mission to transform property management business owners and their businesses. We want to transform the industry, eliminate the BS, build awareness, change perception, expand the market, and help the best property management entrepreneurs win I'm your host, property management, growth expert Jason Hull, the founder and CEO of DoorGrow along with Sarah Hull, co owner and COO of DoorGrow. Now let's get into the show. [00:01:13] Our guests today... we've got Jill and Alex. Jill Lyons. Alex, what's your last name? Platt. Okay. I just know he's always with Jill, Alex. So we're really glad to have you on the show. And the topic of today's episode is like, we want to talk about your journey with DoorGrow because you've been with us for a little bit. So, why don't you introduce yourself and explain like kind of how you got into property management.  [00:01:39] Jill: Well, I must've taken an insane pill along the way, but I like it. My name is Jill Lyons and I own and I'm broker of Relaxed Realty Group in Sarasota, Florida. Currently we manage about 500 homes. We have like maybe 520 now and our rent roll, we just surpassed 800,000 this month, so I'm stoked and happy and proud. And you know, I love the business. There's never a day that's not that I feel like, "Oh my gosh, it's, you know, Monday." I never feel like that. So it's every day is a joy. Not every instant is a joy, but every day is a joy.  [00:02:12] Jason: So let's Alex, why don't you introduce yourself and tell us what is your role?  [00:02:17] Alex: So, my name is Alex and I've worked with Jill here just over a year and a half, or going on almost two years when I got my real estate license. My wife started with Jill, Miranda, and she's been with Jill for what, 10 years now? Started with a business with her and I do the operations here. So operations and BDM.  [00:02:38] Jason: Awesome. Okay, cool.  [00:02:41] Jill: So he came from a customer service background with T Mobile for the last 10 years. It's great. Corporate's a great, but there's a lot more opportunity here and oh my God, he's great with people. Of course He's not " to brag about himself. So I'll brag about him. So he will put on multiple hats and do everything that whatever needs to be done.  [00:03:00] Jason: Cool. Yeah, you guys make a good team. We've enjoyed having you in the program. So why don't we start with what problem problems were you dealing with when you first came to DoorGrow? Like what challenges were going on?  [00:03:14] Jill: So I would say my strengths are that I love to sell and talk to people and help people. So, you know, that was naturally there and I grew the business with success with growing doors. And I was in a kind of a comfortable, I would say position as. Having a good amount of owners and properties, but I want to start exiting the business and it was just way too 'me centered,' you know, what do we do? What do we do with people coming to me? You know, I don't mind working. Like I say, so unfortunately, if you don't mind working, you don't set up boundaries, you don't set up corporate structures. My flow, there was nothing corporate about me. [00:03:49] If I wanted to step away, which I did this year, hired the operations manager, but I'm like, now what? And now what do you do? I'm an engineer by education. All I know how to do is build a spreadsheet and show people returns. So I was looking for ...I always believed in coaches. I've been coached since day one of my business. [00:04:07] So coaching is definitely something I believe in, but the coaching company I used was really just real estate working with buyers and sellers. So I hadn't ever got the property management business aspect of it and setting up the business and the structure. So when you watched one of your podcasts and listened to your podcast, and I liked what you had to say, so I-- "let's let them get us to that next level." [00:04:32] Jason: Watch the podcast, listen to the podcast, and now you're on the podcast.  [00:04:36] Jill: I know, I'm like, what do I have to offer? That's the first thing, I'm still listening and learning.  [00:04:42] Jason: You know, there's a lot of people listening out there that would dream of having 520 doors, having an amazing operator, having the operations running smoothly and being on your journey, stepping out of the business, like this, that's a dream for a lot of property managers. [00:04:58] They're still in the thick of the mud and wondering if there's a light at the end of the tunnel.  [00:05:03] Jill: So they don't believe that I'm going to step out.  [00:05:05] Alex: She's a workaholic. So, you know, it's a little bit of yin and yang.  [00:05:09] Jason: You know, entrepreneurs, it's a tough thing. I've known a few entrepreneurs that have like exited their business and then they were bored and they started another business. It happens. So entrepreneurs, we want to stay busy and we want to do the things we really enjoy doing. So you just have to find something you maybe enjoy doing more.  [00:05:29] Jill: I don't know. Yeah, no, I'm not closed to what's next, but I don't know. I'm still here.  [00:05:35] Jason: So let's chat about, and maybe this is a question for Alex. So Alex what did you see when you first came into the business? Some of the challenges in how to like support Jill and how to get her out of the operational stuff. And what challenges did you see that DoorGrow so far been able to help with?  [00:05:54] Alex: So luckily with your program we got to revamp everything. I mean, your Rapid Revamp was amazing. I mean, we got to go from rebuilding and rebranding our logo and everything. So I really enjoyed your class, especially with the whole cycle of suck, making sure that you're not holding onto those owners that are sucking up all your time and, you know, using. A lot of your resource when it comes down to it. I would say those were the biggest things and especially your systems that you have. I mean, I think the Flow is going to help a lot for us to map out each and every one of our procedures that we have on an operational standpoint.  [00:06:33] Jason: Okay. So for those listening, DoorGrow Flow, our process software, which is pretty cool. So the Rapid Revamp, I mean, and you guys made a lot of changes. Yes. Changed your pricing.  [00:06:43] Alex: We changed our name.  [00:06:44] Jill: You changed the name. I said I would never, ever do that!  [00:06:49] Sarah: She's like " I'm not rebranding." I'm like, "okay, we don't have to rebrand." And then she's like, "I think I'm going to rebrand." I was like, "wow! All right, let's do it."  [00:06:58] Jason: Everybody says they don't want to do it. But what I love about entrepreneurs is that if you show them how to make more money, they're pretty okay with it. They're pretty okay with making more money. So, and I think the training, we do a good job in converting people into wanting to make more money. "Here's how it'll make you more money if you do the right things with your branding." So website. Did we help with that?  [00:07:23] Alex: We're almost there. We're on the tail end of that portion of it.  [00:07:26] Jason: So for those that have not been exposed to DoorGrow. Maybe they're just listening to this podcast. They're like, "I don't know if these guys are legit. Kind of looks like some sort of one of these Influencer sort of guys," or I don't know what people think before they become a client but what would you say to those that are on the other side of the paywall and maybe struggling?  [00:07:51] Jill: For me, honestly, if I would have found this 10 years ago, it would have happened faster, my growth and where I am now would have happened faster and more organized. I kind of wing it and I'm the type that, you know, I don't want to spend any money unless a bunch of sitting in the bank. And I probably, if I would have opened up the bank and gotten the coaching and the programs from a property management company versus just from, you know, where I got my assistance from, which I had when I did buying and selling, which I hate it. So I kind of kept my things rather than going into property management coaching and training. It would have definitely made it faster and less painful, and I would say that's the biggest thing that I wish I would have found you sooner, but you know, you always find people when you're supposed to find them and entrepreneurs tend not to be, in my opinion, people that go to business school because they just want to do it. They jump in head first. There's no rhyme or reason to how we do it. So the organization is usually where we struggle the most. And just networking and having the beginning, I just went to Google and figured everything out on my own, rather than reaching out to an organization like yours, that's more specific for us and NARPM, which, you know connected me to other property managers and how are they doing it? And why did I have to create the wheel and do it all my way? I didn't even know that there was anything like this.  [00:09:16] Jason: Yeah. And you had been in NARPM for a while before joining DoorGrow.  [00:09:20] Jill: Yeah. I'm heavily involved in NARPM. I'm the president of our local chapter. So that definitely has made helped my business, and the connection and they have a lot of tools that have helped me significantly realize that it is a business and with systems. But but there isn't the sales support, you know, they don't have you, Jason. It's not energetic and make me go, "yes! I'm going to do it!" With you and with everybody around! You know, it's just like the connections.  [00:09:48] Jason: Yeah. I know you have both really enjoyed the operational pieces as well, and you've attended quite a few of our scale calls on Friday that Sarah runs. What what things have you taken away from on the operational side of things? [00:10:04] Jill: So what would you say, because you deal with that more? I kind of say, go do it.  [00:10:07] Alex: So, I take a lot of the way, honestly, you guys definitely on those calls go over a lot of different systems that are in other people's companies, to be honest. And we try to take piece by piece and just kind of make it our own when it comes to this. I think it's developing more of the systems that we have. As far as like a specific system, I think we talked about maintenance heavily. And the processes over how other companies do it and what we do with our maintenance. So it's kind of getting every pieces of everybody's input on that stuff to kind of lay out what maybe we should change, you know? [00:10:45] Jill: I will say that as far as operational, we were in pretty good shape with that. It's not technicalogical. So you have DoorGrow flow. I'm just talking with Errol tomorrow. So it's been on my list of things to do this whole year to set up flow and get that going so that it's more clear how we do things because when we have a new employee, I can't just hand them, "these are our thing," we have to manually tell them or give them a checklist, which doesn't really help. So, I have to hire Errol cause it stays on my list every single month and it hasn't been done. That's what I'm going to pass the buck on versus the website. I'd like to do the marketing. So we need to finish all of this by the end of the year. That's on our list. Does it check the list? We're at the last, getting to the last quarter. So you give us the tools. It's just setting it up. That takes a lot of time and concentration time. And Errol seemed to be I met him at DoorGrow live, you know, in Texas. And yeah, he was talking about processes and creating them. Like I talked about property management, so he's going to be our guy. I'll see how it goes.  [00:11:47] Alex: We have a lot in our heads, obviously. So, that's getting it all down to where if somebody needs to know something, it's much easier.  [00:11:56] Jason: Yeah we're planning on doing some more stuff with Errol Allen, who Jill's speaking with, and he's currently playing around with our DoorGrow flow software and testing it out as well. [00:12:05] So I think it's going to be a game changer for the market. So Sarah's had a lot of interaction, I think, with the two of you. What's been your perception of why they do so well as clients?  [00:12:18] Sarah: Oh, well, so there's a few things that I'd like to kind of. Point out and give you guys like major kudos on. First is, I think you're just open. Sometimes we have people who are very resistant. They're like, " that won't work," and "I'm not going to do it like this," and "I can't do this," and "that's not in my market," right? And I think the difference is just being open to the thought and the idea is enough to make it work because if you go into something and you think, "oh, this won't work," well, you're probably right. Then it's not going to work. But you guys are very open and you also, I love this about you guys, you take action. You just come in and you're like, "this is what we're going to do," and then you take action, you implement and you get it done. I think, to date, they are the fastest people who have completed everything in the Rapid Revamp. Like, they get a medal for that. Like, every time, they're like, "yep, we're done with this," I'm like, "oh, wow, okay!" They just get it done. It's like they just put their heads down. They know what they need to do. They put in the work and they get it done and then they go, "okay, great, we did that. What do we need now? Like what's the next thing that we can do to either like build on top of that or like take us to the next level? And I think you guys are really great at that. And I think you, you work very well together. You know, you balance each other out. You like ping well back and forth, back together, and I think that gives you the ability to move things along so quickly.  [00:13:44] Alex: It's great to have ideas that we can bounce off of each other and make it a solid process and get it out of the way and move on to the next one.  [00:13:52] Jill: Well, and I love a checklist. So you have a checklist. I want to see checks on there. I don't want to see them open. So I think that myself, I can be more reactionary property management. Our phone is always ringing. Things are always happening. You know, I can easily not get anything accomplished in a day and be busy the whole day. So with the Rapid Revamp it has me be on track along with handling the things that come on you know all day but I have to get my things done  [00:14:18] Alex: And the nice thing about your dashboard was the fact that you could assign things, we would take them and split them up and be like, "okay, you're going to do these and they're assigned to you" and then I could assign ones to me so we can you know, handle what we needed to.  [00:14:30] Jason: Cool. [00:14:31] Sarah: Yeah. Yeah. I think that was really awesome just to see you guys because every time I check in with you, you're like, "Oh, yeah, we're done with that already." Like, okay, let's see what's the next thing for you guys? And you already knew! You were never like, "Hey, I don't know what I'm supposed to be doing. Like, you just like stayed the course. And sometimes it's hard for entrepreneurs to do because there's so many shiny objects. There's so many of them, right? Like, "Hey, I'm coming in, I'm doing this one thing and that's it," and then along the way, there's like some other little thing that's like, "Hey, I need your attention." [00:15:04] And it's so tempting to go, "Ooh, but I could focus on that." Like, " let me just go over here for a second," and like, you guys just stayed the course. You like stay on point. And I think that's that's something I really have to give you guys like a huge compliment on because it's hard to do that. It's really difficult to do that. And you guys do it really well.  [00:15:25] Jill: Thank you.  [00:15:26] Jason: Yeah. And so you've interacted with several of our team members, right? It's not just the Jason show or the Jason and Sarah show. And I think that's what a lot of people think. Could you just comment a little bit on DoorGrow's team? You don't have to remember everybody's names, but yeah.  [00:15:43] Jill: Well the two that I've probably enjoyed the most is Clint. He's like the coolest surfer dude in the whole wide world, but he's sharp as a tack. You know, "we're just going to buy a $5 million company." He's the exact person to teach you how to be cool and do acquisitions and whatnot. [00:16:03] And that you can see why he's so successful because he's a joy to listen to.  [00:16:07] Jason: Yeah, he's fun.  [00:16:08] Jill: And ironically considering an acquisition in the middle of all listening to him and he took his time out, sent me a lot of information and questions I should ask and what due diligence I should do. So, I mean, his wealth of all the years that he's done that, enticed in a few documents was, I could have never created that. And then Roya, she's a ball of energy and I'm all into manifesting and all that. So, I mean, not many people you can feel through a computer screen with their energy, you know, that's heard of talent that she has.  [00:16:43] Jason: Yeah, she's our dangerously powerful mindset coach. And teaches the advanced sales stuff. [00:16:51] She's yeah she's had quite an impact. Yeah.  [00:16:54] Jill: Yeah. For sure.  [00:16:56] I went to DoorGrow live, which was fantastic to connect with everybody. But thanks to DoorGrow and Alex being also trained as a DoorGrow. I'm taking my first three week vacation in 10 years.  [00:17:08] Jason: That's amazing. That's awesome. Yeah. Yeah. That's awesome. Your business will be in good hands with Alex and and we've got his back. So. For sure. So awesome. Yep. Property managers, if you're listening to this and you have not taken a significant vacation in the last five years, when's your turn? Maybe it's time to reach out and let us help you take- this is one of the most common things that we hear, especially this summer. [00:17:36] Lots of our clients are taking vacations like for the first time ever, or in the first time in a long time, or it's a longer vacation than they've been able to take.  [00:17:45] Sarah: Brandon and Mark, they took off the majority of July, both of them, took off the majority of July, and they're like, "things were fine, like things were okay," I'm like, "that's great, that's how it should work," and if we set it up that way, then things can work that way.  [00:18:01] Jason: For sure. Yeah, one of our mentors had this quote, I don't know where it came from, but he said, the more valuable you are to your business, the less valuable your business is. Ooh, like that one. So Jill's working on making herself less valuable to the business. I've made DoorGrow less of the Jason show, and we've got all these amazing coaches and yeah, and that's the goal, right? We're able to provide more value and it allows us to be more free as entrepreneurs. To do the things that we really enjoy doing and eventually maybe to do nothing. If that's really the goal. I don't know. Jill, will have to find something to do. She's going to trap the world. She'll think we're not going to do nothing. Exactly. We're not going to do nothing. I don't think Jill knows what to do.  [00:18:43] Jill: We just want freedom to not always to be working.  [00:18:46] Jason: There you go. Yeah.  [00:18:48] Sarah: You can choose the things you do.  [00:18:50] Jill: Yeah.  [00:18:51] Jason: Well, we've really appreciated having you both in the program. You know, the, Sarah mentioned about you, but what I've noticed is Jill, you have this gift of positivity, it seems to rub off on everyone around you. We've really enjoyed having you in the program. Everyone's like, "Oh, we love Jill." All of our coaches and team members love Jill. And you can see Alex has like got a positive, you know, energy going on as well. And so you've created a really good culture on your team and in your business. And I don't know if it's always been that way, but I know that's something that's important to us at DoorGrow is making sure everybody has good culture with their business and with their team. So can you touch on culture just a little bit? [00:19:30] Jill: Well, I think connection and culture is the most important thing. If I don't have it here, how is a client going to want to be attracted to us? You know, how is that going to work? You know, if you don't have a positive look on the industry, the business... I mean, this is anybody that calls us is frustrated with property management and say, "here, we love to do property management." They're like, "I need you!" [00:19:51] you know, tenants and everybody gets to complain to us and we have to listen to them and, you know, do our job, but in these walls of this company, we don't have to do that. We can vent to each other. We can laugh. We don't complain. We more laugh about situations than we do complain. And I think I've been a good leader as far as that goes. But I think that also because I have that energy, I want to attract that energy. And so those people are, who are working here and stay.  [00:20:18] Jason: I love that. I mean, I think having a culture in which complaining is not the norm. I mean, it's easy to complain in property management. Right? And I'm sure there's a lot of you listening that are like, " I complain all the time. I complain every day," like reducing that complaining in the business and creating a culture where the team don't see that it's totally okay to just complain all the time. Because if you're complaining about your clients, they're going to feel that. They're not going to want to work with somebody that's, they know is just going to be complaining about them behind their back. [00:20:47] And so I think that's really powerful. And I think that there's a lot of joking in property management, and I think if you can't laugh about it, then you're just going to be hurt by it, and so...  [00:20:58] Jill: and the only way you make a lot of money is to do the things that nobody wants to do. [00:21:02] Jason: There you go. And they will pay you a pretty penny to do it. [00:21:05] Alex: Yeah, we don't have one person that dreads coming to work every day. That's for sure. Everybody's like, "oh shoot. It's monday. Let's go!"  [00:21:11] Jill: We're a little family.  [00:21:13] Jason: Awesome. Yeah, I love that. You have a good culture. So, cool well, anything else we should chat about? What are the biggest takeaways you feel like you've gotten from being part of working with DoorGrow for those listening? [00:21:28] Jill: I think first of all to make sure that I express my purpose to everybody, you know, start with the person.  [00:21:34] Jason: Has that changed your close rate? Has that changed how clients respond to you?  [00:21:39] Jill: Oh, just overall being brave enough to start with that, you know, I always assume they don't care, you know they're not calling for my me personally, but they are, you know, and some would get to know me on a personal level over time, but I never started the conversation with that. [00:21:54] I always started it with "I love property management" and I think they could feel our energy, but not deep down what my life purpose is. So, and how I could tie that back into having them become our client. But it gets a personal, it makes it a personal fit right away or not.  [00:22:11] Jason: Yeah. They either trust your motives and like them or they don't, but they, at least they know what your motives are. Otherwise they're just going to assume you just want their money.  [00:22:20] Jill: Yeah. The name change was a huge one. And then the third, I think final one for me is. When you did your stack deck and it wasn't like perfectly animated with all these designs and it looked great. And I'm fine with it. I stopped judging my marketing to have to be the caliber of Coca Cola. [00:22:40] I don't have designers out there. I don't want to spend design. So just produce it and get it out there and make it look kind of quirky and we're quirky anyway. So I don't know why I was thinking that we had to be this high level, corporate marketing program in order for it to work.  [00:22:54] Jason: I think done is better than perfect for sure. [00:22:57] That's one of my  [00:22:57] Alex: favorite things is like, no, just get it complete and then we'll move on and we'll get the next thing done.  [00:23:03] Jason: Yeah. Done makes money. And you've made a lot of changes. You've gotten a lot of things done that are going to help shore up leaks that make you a lot more money. And. Yeah. A lot of people get really caught up on things being so perfect. [00:23:14] They don't get as nearly as much done. So kudos to both of you for implementing and taking action. So, well, we appreciate you coming and hanging out with us here on the show. What do you feel like, what are some tangible results besides the brand? Revenue doors, any other shifts that you've seen in the business since joining? [00:23:33] Jill: Well, we've gotten rid of a lot of the properties. I had the guts to say to a couple owners, you know, "You have to either sell this property or find another manager because it's too much of a liability. And I'm scared to because X Y Z and so should you." And obviously it's a great time to sell last year. So this is the time get to get a better asset, 1031 exchange it, or let's you know, we need to drop it by the end of the year. I didn't, you know, say we're going to drop you on 30 days, but they, most of them, most of those as a consulting, they trust us and know us and they sold those properties. We have two that are closing this week, our last two that are closing and we had problems. Yeah, problems. So we've gotten rid of a lot of problems since the beginning and liability issues, you know, you know, liabilities. So that's that's, I think our biggest deal and it's allowed other doors to come in. [00:24:28] It's amazing what you let go just energetically things will fill its place. So door wise, I would say we're at about the same, but revenue has gone up 20%.  [00:24:38] Alex: We've been getting higher-end properties instead of, you know, things that were D class properties that we didn't want.  [00:24:44] Jason: Love it. 20 percent more revenue. Awesome, that does not suck.  [00:24:48] Sarah: And getting rid of the problem, right?  [00:24:55] Jason: Well, we appreciate you being clients and we're super excited to see your progression through the DoorGrow code, and this business I think that could easily be at a thousand doors in the next two to three years. It's totally doable, especially if you start doing some of the acquisition deals, like it's going to be really interesting once you get some of these systems in place, then you're ready to just scale like crazy. So excited to see what you do. All right. Well then we'll go ahead and wrap up. Appreciate you being on the show. [00:25:25] Thanks for hanging out with us, Alex and Jill. Thank you. Great.  [00:25:29] For those listening, if you want to be like Alex and Jill and make good decisions and grow your business in a healthy way, and maybe increase your revenue 20%. aNd clean up your portfolio and optimize your sales pipeline so you make more money, more easily reach out to DoorGrow. [00:25:45] We would love to take a look at your business and see if we can help you. The answer is: we can... most likely and see if you'd be a good fit for our program. You can check us out at doorgrow. com. There's a big pink button on the home page says "I want to grow." click that. 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How to Make a Million Dollars a Year is the Career Path Number 5 Number One Request (LA 1875) Transcript: Steve: Steve and Jill here. Jill: Hi. Steve: Welcome to the Land Academy Show, entertaining land investment talk. I'm Steven Jack Butala. Jill: And I'm Jill DeWit, broadcasting from the natural springs area of Arkansas. Yes, Eureka Springs right now and we are loving it. Steve: Can't say enough positive stuff about this area, with the state and the country. Jill: You know what's funny, we had a day this last week where it was like, started off, it got sunny but it started off kind of dark and weird and it rained a little bit and it was, you know the show the Ozarks, how we all know it has that funky tint. They make the, there's like a filter on the cameras or something and make it kind of a dark, interesting blue? Would you call it blue background kind of thing? I swear it felt like that. Steve: It was that color. Jill: I was running around taking pictures, I'm like, "That's real." Now I get the Ozarks show and I always thought, why do they make it look so dark? But by the way, right now we're sitting in a beautiful, sunny day. Blue sky, it's gorgeous so it's not always like that, but I get it. It was really cool. Steve: Today Jill and I are going to talk about how making a million dollars a year is the number one discussion point and request for this new career path class. Jill: There's kind of two things that came up because I want to share, to tell you, there's one other thing that everybody asks for. So it's important to know. I want leave a little teaser here. So when we went around the room the other day, everybody brought up two things and one is the money and I'll tell you the other one in a minute. Steve: Before we get into it, let's take a question posted by one of our members on the land investors.com online community. It's free. And last year a ton of people came to us, came to Jill and I requesting for help getting their first mailer out or just getting consistency in doing mailers or mailer type stuff. Well enough people came to us. Jill and I decided to turn over our own mailer department to our employees to allow them to do that. So we call it concierge data and now it's called concierge data plus, you can completely and entirely outsource doing a mailer to this department and it's a subdepartment of offers2owners.com. Or if you're having trouble getting the first one out, check it out. It's very, very efficient. And now we process a ton of orders, more and more every single month. Jill: All right, Chief wrote, "As a seller, how do you ask a buyer, how do you ask a buyer close, as a seller how do you ask a buyer to close through your selected title company? Or is it just customary for the seller to choose? It's a little late for me to be inquiring about this, but I've been letting, or should I say making the buyer's agent find one. Now that I say it out loud pretty sure I'm doing it completely wrong. I need to be sending them somewhere specific, right? My thought was it doesn't really matter to me and it's all about the same price so let them have it in case they have people they like to close through. It was one less thing I had to set up. Now I see why all the buyer's agents attitude seemed to change a little bit after their clients have signed. I'm making them do my job accidentally but sure enough, they'd sign and I'd been letting them take it from there. I'd been asking them where they want to close and wait for an email. How messy. This must be what Jack means by being able to, by doing it all wrong and still being able to pull it off. Embarrassing but enlightening." All right, so let me back up here. Steve: Embarrassing but enlightening. Jill: So here's what I do, Chief, and this, I'm going to make it easy. This will be make it easy for you actually, because I bet you putting it on them could slow you down too. I want you to stay in control for the whole transaction. Steve: Yeah,

How to Make a Million Dollars a Year is the Career Path Number 5 Number One Request (LA 1875) Transcript: Steve: Steve and Jill here. Jill: Hi. Steve: Welcome to the Land Academy Show, entertaining land investment talk. I'm Steven Jack Butala. Jill: And I'm Jill DeWit, broadcasting from the natural springs area of Arkansas. Yes, Eureka Springs right now and we are loving it. Steve: Can't say enough positive stuff about this area, with the state and the country. Jill: You know what's funny, we had a day this last week where it was like, started off, it got sunny but it started off kind of dark and weird and it rained a little bit and it was, you know the show the Ozarks, how we all know it has that funky tint. They make the, there's like a filter on the cameras or something and make it kind of a dark, interesting blue? Would you call it blue background kind of thing? I swear it felt like that. Steve: It was that color. Jill: I was running around taking pictures, I'm like, "That's real." Now I get the Ozarks show and I always thought, why do they make it look so dark? But by the way, right now we're sitting in a beautiful, sunny day. Blue sky, it's gorgeous so it's not always like that, but I get it. It was really cool. Steve: Today Jill and I are going to talk about how making a million dollars a year is the number one discussion point and request for this new career path class. Jill: There's kind of two things that came up because I want to share, to tell you, there's one other thing that everybody asks for. So it's important to know. I want leave a little teaser here. So when we went around the room the other day, everybody brought up two things and one is the money and I'll tell you the other one in a minute. Steve: Before we get into it, let's take a question posted by one of our members on the land investors.com online community. It's free. And last year a ton of people came to us, came to Jill and I requesting for help getting their first mailer out or just getting consistency in doing mailers or mailer type stuff. Well enough people came to us. Jill and I decided to turn over our own mailer department to our employees to allow them to do that. So we call it concierge data and now it's called concierge data plus, you can completely and entirely outsource doing a mailer to this department and it's a subdepartment of offers2owners.com. Or if you're having trouble getting the first one out, check it out. It's very, very efficient. And now we process a ton of orders, more and more every single month. Jill: All right, Chief wrote, "As a seller, how do you ask a buyer, how do you ask a buyer close, as a seller how do you ask a buyer to close through your selected title company? Or is it just customary for the seller to choose? It's a little late for me to be inquiring about this, but I've been letting, or should I say making the buyer's agent find one. Now that I say it out loud pretty sure I'm doing it completely wrong. I need to be sending them somewhere specific, right? My thought was it doesn't really matter to me and it's all about the same price so let them have it in case they have people they like to close through. It was one less thing I had to set up. Now I see why all the buyer's agents attitude seemed to change a little bit after their clients have signed. I'm making them do my job accidentally but sure enough, they'd sign and I'd been letting them take it from there. I'd been asking them where they want to close and wait for an email. How messy. This must be what Jack means by being able to, by doing it all wrong and still being able to pull it off. Embarrassing but enlightening." All right, so let me back up here. Steve: Embarrassing but enlightening. Jill: So here's what I do, Chief, and this, I'm going to make it easy. This will be make it easy for you actually, because I bet you putting it on them could slow you down too. I want you to stay in control for the whole transaction. Steve: Yeah,

How to Make a Million Dollars a Year is the Career Path Number 5 Number One Request (LA 1875) Transcript: Steve: Steve and Jill here. Jill: Hi. Steve: Welcome to the Land Academy Show, entertaining land investment talk. I'm Steven Jack Butala. Jill: And I'm Jill DeWit, broadcasting from the natural springs area of Arkansas. Yes, Eureka Springs right now and we are loving it. Steve: Can't say enough positive stuff about this area, with the state and the country. Jill: You know what's funny, we had a day this last week where it was like, started off, it got sunny but it started off kind of dark and weird and it rained a little bit and it was, you know the show the Ozarks, how we all know it has that funky tint. They make the, there's like a filter on the cameras or something and make it kind of a dark, interesting blue? Would you call it blue background kind of thing? I swear it felt like that. Steve: It was that color. Jill: I was running around taking pictures, I'm like, "That's real." Now I get the Ozarks show and I always thought, why do they make it look so dark? But by the way, right now we're sitting in a beautiful, sunny day. Blue sky, it's gorgeous so it's not always like that, but I get it. It was really cool. Steve: Today Jill and I are going to talk about how making a million dollars a year is the number one discussion point and request for this new career path class. Jill: There's kind of two things that came up because I want to share, to tell you, there's one other thing that everybody asks for. So it's important to know. I want leave a little teaser here. So when we went around the room the other day, everybody brought up two things and one is the money and I'll tell you the other one in a minute. Steve: Before we get into it, let's take a question posted by one of our members on the land investors.com online community. It's free. And last year a ton of people came to us, came to Jill and I requesting for help getting their first mailer out or just getting consistency in doing mailers or mailer type stuff. Well enough people came to us. Jill and I decided to turn over our own mailer department to our employees to allow them to do that. So we call it concierge data and now it's called concierge data plus, you can completely and entirely outsource doing a mailer to this department and it's a subdepartment of offers2owners.com. Or if you're having trouble getting the first one out, check it out. It's very, very efficient. And now we process a ton of orders, more and more every single month. Jill: All right, Chief wrote, "As a seller, how do you ask a buyer, how do you ask a buyer close, as a seller how do you ask a buyer to close through your selected title company? Or is it just customary for the seller to choose? It's a little late for me to be inquiring about this, but I've been letting, or should I say making the buyer's agent find one. Now that I say it out loud pretty sure I'm doing it completely wrong. I need to be sending them somewhere specific, right? My thought was it doesn't really matter to me and it's all about the same price so let them have it in case they have people they like to close through. It was one less thing I had to set up. Now I see why all the buyer's agents attitude seemed to change a little bit after their clients have signed. I'm making them do my job accidentally but sure enough, they'd sign and I'd been letting them take it from there. I'd been asking them where they want to close and wait for an email. How messy. This must be what Jack means by being able to, by doing it all wrong and still being able to pull it off. Embarrassing but enlightening." All right, so let me back up here. Steve: Embarrassing but enlightening. Jill: So here's what I do, Chief, and this, I'm going to make it easy. This will be make it easy for you actually, because I bet you putting it on them could slow you down too. I want you to stay in control for the whole transaction. Steve: Yeah,

Learn More About House Academy Here Why We Have Not Missed the Housing Boom (LA 1635) Transcript: Steven:Steve and Jill here. Jill:Hello. Steven:Welcome to the Land Academy Show, entertaining land investment talk. I'm Steven Jack Butala. Jill:There was a long pause there. I'm Jill DeWit and we are broadcasting from the Valley of the Sun. Steven:Today, Jill and I talk about why we've not missed the housing boom at all. Jill:Personally or all of us? Steven:All of us. Jill:Good. Steven:This all comes from... Jill and I have children between the ages of, let's say 26, 27 and 18, and all of them and all of their friends have all throughout their entire... Let's call it late teens, early twenties have said, "Well, you guys are the generation or two generations before us. And thanks for wrecking everything." Jill:"You guys are the last homeowners," like, "Hold on a moment." Steven:To which I say, "I said the same thing to my parents," to which my parents have said, "That's what I said to my parents." Before we get into it, let's take a question posted by one of our members on the LandInvestors.com online community. It's free. And if you... Oh, please don't forget to subscribe, I should say, on the Land Academy YouTube channel and comment on the shows you like. Jill:David wrote, "Could someone give me some insight? I'm closing on my first deal. It's a 9.37 acre parcel. And in 20 days, there's not a ton of comps in the immediate area, and I was originally thinking about trying to sell it for around 30 to $40,000. But I've been doing a deep dive on research and looking at active listings. I noticed two neighboring parcels at 1.4 and 1.3 acres sold at 10,000 an acre, but it took four to six months. I'm very tempted to list it for $79,900. Even 70% of 10,000 acre at 65,000 and some change I would be thrilled with. I don't want to get crazy and list"... Oh, "I don't want to get crazy and list too high"- Steven:That was my fault. Jill:"And have to sit and/or not sell. Am I getting too excited with the neighboring properties? I'm licensed. I'm probably going to list it myself. So, if I can get the buyers and save some money... But I'm tempted to consider using a local realtor. The MLS might be different than the local one, and I might assume a local realtor who's any good would have a better handle on the prices." Is that the end of it? Steven:Yeah. Jill:So, do you want to go first? Steven:Congratulations. This is working for you. I'm really, really glad. I mean it, you're going to get through this first deal. It's going to be a lot easier. You're going to look back on it and say, "Wow, I learned a lot and I can't wait for the second one." Just like your first marriage. So... Jill:Why do you do...? Steven:I do it to annoy you. Jill:Just poking me all day long. Does this happen to you? Poke, poke, poke. Steven:It didn't bother you. If you just sailed right through it and didn't listen to anything I said, I'd never do it again. Jill:Because clearly you don't want to get a rise out of me. Steven:Here's a couple technical things, and a lot of people in our group in Discord commented the same way. Price per acre on small properties... We take a one acre property and it's priced at $10,000. So, it sells for 10,000 and apply that to even an adjoining property that's 10 acres or 40 acres... You can't use that same number. [crosstalk 00:03:27] The higher the acreage number... If it's 40 acres versus one acre, the price per acre's going to be lower. It's called the bottle case theory. When you buy a single bottle of Coca-Cola and then look at the case price, it's always cheaper to buy it by the case. It's just a pure economics thing. That's why people who subdivide property for a living make hoards and hoards of money. If you take a 40 acre property and buy it for four grand and, theoretically, divide it into 40 properties and sell it for a thousand dollars each, now you... Jill:Buy four, sold it for 40. Steven:I'm grossly oversimplifying it.

Learn More About House Academy Here Why We Have Not Missed the Housing Boom (LA 1635) Transcript: Steven:Steve and Jill here. Jill:Hello. Steven:Welcome to the Land Academy Show, entertaining land investment talk. I'm Steven Jack Butala. Jill:There was a long pause there. I'm Jill DeWit and we are broadcasting from the Valley of the Sun. Steven:Today, Jill and I talk about why we've not missed the housing boom at all. Jill:Personally or all of us? Steven:All of us. Jill:Good. Steven:This all comes from... Jill and I have children between the ages of, let's say 26, 27 and 18, and all of them and all of their friends have all throughout their entire... Let's call it late teens, early twenties have said, "Well, you guys are the generation or two generations before us. And thanks for wrecking everything." Jill:"You guys are the last homeowners," like, "Hold on a moment." Steven:To which I say, "I said the same thing to my parents," to which my parents have said, "That's what I said to my parents." Before we get into it, let's take a question posted by one of our members on the LandInvestors.com online community. It's free. And if you... Oh, please don't forget to subscribe, I should say, on the Land Academy YouTube channel and comment on the shows you like. Jill:David wrote, "Could someone give me some insight? I'm closing on my first deal. It's a 9.37 acre parcel. And in 20 days, there's not a ton of comps in the immediate area, and I was originally thinking about trying to sell it for around 30 to $40,000. But I've been doing a deep dive on research and looking at active listings. I noticed two neighboring parcels at 1.4 and 1.3 acres sold at 10,000 an acre, but it took four to six months. I'm very tempted to list it for $79,900. Even 70% of 10,000 acre at 65,000 and some change I would be thrilled with. I don't want to get crazy and list"... Oh, "I don't want to get crazy and list too high"- Steven:That was my fault. Jill:"And have to sit and/or not sell. Am I getting too excited with the neighboring properties? I'm licensed. I'm probably going to list it myself. So, if I can get the buyers and save some money... But I'm tempted to consider using a local realtor. The MLS might be different than the local one, and I might assume a local realtor who's any good would have a better handle on the prices." Is that the end of it? Steven:Yeah. Jill:So, do you want to go first? Steven:Congratulations. This is working for you. I'm really, really glad. I mean it, you're going to get through this first deal. It's going to be a lot easier. You're going to look back on it and say, "Wow, I learned a lot and I can't wait for the second one." Just like your first marriage. So... Jill:Why do you do...? Steven:I do it to annoy you. Jill:Just poking me all day long. Does this happen to you? Poke, poke, poke. Steven:It didn't bother you. If you just sailed right through it and didn't listen to anything I said, I'd never do it again. Jill:Because clearly you don't want to get a rise out of me. Steven:Here's a couple technical things, and a lot of people in our group in Discord commented the same way. Price per acre on small properties... We take a one acre property and it's priced at $10,000. So, it sells for 10,000 and apply that to even an adjoining property that's 10 acres or 40 acres... You can't use that same number. [crosstalk 00:03:27] The higher the acreage number... If it's 40 acres versus one acre, the price per acre's going to be lower. It's called the bottle case theory. When you buy a single bottle of Coca-Cola and then look at the case price, it's always cheaper to buy it by the case. It's just a pure economics thing. That's why people who subdivide property for a living make hoards and hoards of money. If you take a 40 acre property and buy it for four grand and, theoretically, divide it into 40 properties and sell it for a thousand dollars each, now you... Jill:Buy four, sold it for 40. Steven:I'm grossly oversimplifying it.

In this interview, you will hear from the renowned publicity strategist, international speaker, consultant, and four times bestselling author Jill Lublin on why being kind is more important than people realised. She shared with us her view on Return on Investment, where all things are transactional, versus if we can focus on Return on Kindness instead. Simply put, when you are a kind company, you get better publicity and having kindness in business, it actually brings you more business. I can't help but think a little kindness can go a long way with our customer relationships as well! Decades ago Marianne Williamson wrote her international bestseller and highly influential book Return to Love. Jill's Profit of Kindness is also a book written to remind us about humanity and divinity as something we need to come back to. I hope you will enjoy this conversation as much as I do! Jill A. Lublin is an internationally renowned speaker on the topics of publicity and networking.  As an author of her best-selling books Profit of Kindness (Red Wheel Weiser), Get Noticed...Get Referrals, and co-author of the best-sellers Guerrilla Publicity (Adams Media), and Networking Magic (Adams Media), Jill is a master strategist on how to capture the attention of the media and increase your visibility in the marketplace. Interview Highlights What her new book "The Profit of Kindness" is about?Why it better to focus on the "Return on Kindness" Principle instead of Return on InvestmentHow to discern someone' authenticity - are they consistent on stage and off stage?Sometimes we want to work with people or coaches that can lead us to the edge of growth, which may be challenging, but that is different from working with people with who we are not comfortable.Understand your own skillset and gaps, so that when you work with others, they can fill in those gaps.The path to success and accomplishment will become clear, but not immediately and we may stumble and fell.Don't get too attached to how you think things need to be, because sometimes they will inform you how they need to be.Patience for an entrepreneur can be tough but things tend to unfold in their own natural ways"When" and "How" do we decide to quit our projects and change our direction.Many paths have projects that didn't take off because there is so much happening in the marketplace. Pick something you are passionate about so that you can stay long enough to see it through and stay in the game.Entrepreneurs are often highly creative and dynamic, we are not good with monotony and that's why it's good to delegate things you don't like to do so that they get done and you can focus on what you do best! You can find Jill's books and courses here, and you can also connect with her at: http://www.linkedin.com/in/jilllublinhttp://twitter.com/JillLublinhttp://www.facebook.com/people/Jill-Lublin/1143437802 Video https://youtu.be/7Joudr_GVyI Transcript Sze Wing: Hi, everyone. I'm really excited to introduce you to my guest Jill Lublin all the way from the USA today. And I'm so pleased that she has agreed to come on to be my guest on my podcast. So hi, Jill So great to be here with you. Thank you so much. So a little short introduction. Jill is an international speaker on the topic of Radical Influence, Publicity, Networking, Kindness, and Referrals, and she's also has bestselling books and which we are going to talk about her latest one. And as many of my listeners know that I'm also writing my own books. So definitely I'm so honoured to actually have her to be interviewed. And I'm really excited to ask her with my questions. So, and her latest book is The Profit of Kindness, which went on to be number one in four categories. Sze Wing: Jill is a master strategist on how to position a business for more profitability and more visibility in marketplace. She's a CEO of a strategic consulting firm and has over 25 years experience working with over 100,

Working with Your Spouse without Tragedy (LA 1301) Transcript: Steve: Steve and Jill here. Jill: Hello. Steve: Welcome to The Land Academy Show entertaining land investment talk. I'm Steven Jack Butala. Jill: I'm Jill DeWit, playing with my hair, and I'm broadcasting from sunny Southern California. Steve: Today, Jill and I talk about working with your spouse without tragedy. I'm sure Jill has a lot to say about this. Sure of it. Jill: Let's define tragedy. Just kidding. Steve: We can show you what a tragedy looks like on this episode, actually. Jill: I guess we could. Steve: We can give a great example of tragedy. Jill: So, divorce papers? Or just getting into it? Steve: Yesterday, and I bit the inside of my lip, we were talking about when to leave your job and I'm thinking like, "We should be talking about when to leave your relationship." Jill: Oh, that's sad. Don't say that. Steve: Sometimes you've got to leave. Jill: No, I mean, come on. Don't leave let's... careful. Steve: All right. Jill: All right. Let's be cool here. Steve: Before we get into it, let's take a question posted by one of our members on the landinvestors.com online community. It's free. Jill: Okay. Rebecca wrote, "Hi, Land Academy. Quick question on filtering and pricing lots. The last list I sent out for four to six acre lots/parcels, I filtered out the higher priced lots over 75,000, but kept the lowered valued lots. I filtered them out." So, she didn't keep them. Okay. "I received about eight signed contracts from people who I sent offers to for eight to $10,000 when their lots were worth less than $10,000. Should I price by zip code or filter out the lots assessed under 10K or both? Thoughts please." Steve: You should price by zip code, for sure. No doubt about it based on the information that we have, the level of information we now have specifically because of Zillow. So yes, you should price by zip code, for sure. Should you remove any of the top end or the bottom end data? I call it like a bell curve. I keep it all in. We send out offer prices at a million plus now, and we get some of them signed back because you just never know. Over and over and over again what I hear from our advanced group at our live events, is send out more mail. Send out more mail and see what happens. You put yourself in such a position of control when you send out just hoards of mail. So yeah, maybe some of it's overpriced, maybe some of it's under priced, to this day I over and underprice property sometimes, but I'll tell you, when you're staring at a pile of purchase agreements that are signed, let's say 10 of them, you're going to pick the best three. If you have five purchase agreements signed and you're going to pick the best three, it's not as good of a situation to be in as 10, pick three. But yeah, you've got to price by zip code now. Jill: Well, I like what you said too, careful, don't limit yourself too much because you never, like you said, you never know what's going to come back. And if you're really, really deathly afraid of anything over $100,000, I can understand that, that's over your threshold. I would download the data. You're famous for saying the data is cheap, the mail's expensive and that's true. So, I would download the data just to have it and play with it and think about it too, but go for some bigger numbers anyway because you can afford to do this. Why? Because we'll fund your deals and people in our community will fund your deals. You might find something spectacular, Rebecca, that you're buying it for $83,000 and holy cow, it's worth 400, that just comes across your desk. And I want you to be able to look at those and see those and act on them. Adding a zero or a couple zeros is not nuts. Steve: This group is packed full of people that would love to write you an $83,000 check. Jill: Right. My other thing is too, I think what may have happened is sometimes how counties assess properties.

Working with Your Spouse without Tragedy (LA 1301) Transcript: Steve: Steve and Jill here. Jill: Hello. Steve: Welcome to The Land Academy Show entertaining land investment talk. I'm Steven Jack Butala. Jill: I'm Jill DeWit, playing with my hair, and I'm broadcasting from sunny Southern California. Steve: Today, Jill and I talk about working with your spouse without tragedy. I'm sure Jill has a lot to say about this. Sure of it. Jill: Let's define tragedy. Just kidding. Steve: We can show you what a tragedy looks like on this episode, actually. Jill: I guess we could. Steve: We can give a great example of tragedy. Jill: So, divorce papers? Or just getting into it? Steve: Yesterday, and I bit the inside of my lip, we were talking about when to leave your job and I'm thinking like, "We should be talking about when to leave your relationship." Jill: Oh, that's sad. Don't say that. Steve: Sometimes you've got to leave. Jill: No, I mean, come on. Don't leave let's... careful. Steve: All right. Jill: All right. Let's be cool here. Steve: Before we get into it, let's take a question posted by one of our members on the landinvestors.com online community. It's free. Jill: Okay. Rebecca wrote, "Hi, Land Academy. Quick question on filtering and pricing lots. The last list I sent out for four to six acre lots/parcels, I filtered out the higher priced lots over 75,000, but kept the lowered valued lots. I filtered them out." So, she didn't keep them. Okay. "I received about eight signed contracts from people who I sent offers to for eight to $10,000 when their lots were worth less than $10,000. Should I price by zip code or filter out the lots assessed under 10K or both? Thoughts please." Steve: You should price by zip code, for sure. No doubt about it based on the information that we have, the level of information we now have specifically because of Zillow. So yes, you should price by zip code, for sure. Should you remove any of the top end or the bottom end data? I call it like a bell curve. I keep it all in. We send out offer prices at a million plus now, and we get some of them signed back because you just never know. Over and over and over again what I hear from our advanced group at our live events, is send out more mail. Send out more mail and see what happens. You put yourself in such a position of control when you send out just hoards of mail. So yeah, maybe some of it's overpriced, maybe some of it's under priced, to this day I over and underprice property sometimes, but I'll tell you, when you're staring at a pile of purchase agreements that are signed, let's say 10 of them, you're going to pick the best three. If you have five purchase agreements signed and you're going to pick the best three, it's not as good of a situation to be in as 10, pick three. But yeah, you've got to price by zip code now. Jill: Well, I like what you said too, careful, don't limit yourself too much because you never, like you said, you never know what's going to come back. And if you're really, really deathly afraid of anything over $100,000, I can understand that, that's over your threshold. I would download the data. You're famous for saying the data is cheap, the mail's expensive and that's true. So, I would download the data just to have it and play with it and think about it too, but go for some bigger numbers anyway because you can afford to do this. Why? Because we'll fund your deals and people in our community will fund your deals. You might find something spectacular, Rebecca, that you're buying it for $83,000 and holy cow, it's worth 400, that just comes across your desk. And I want you to be able to look at those and see those and act on them. Adding a zero or a couple zeros is not nuts. Steve: This group is packed full of people that would love to write you an $83,000 check. Jill: Right. My other thing is too, I think what may have happened is sometimes how counties assess properties.

Real Definition of Homestead (LA 1299) Transcript: Steve: Steve and Jill here. Jill: Hello. Steve: Welcome to the Land Academy Show, entertaining land, investment talk. I'm Steven Jack Butala. Jill: And I'm Jill DeWitt broadcasting from sunny, Southern California. Steve: Today Jill and I talk about, well, really, I talk about, the real definition of the word homestead. Jill: Why is it only you? This came up because of a call that I had it. And this guy was nutty. Well, I'll explain it. But this nutty seller was explaining to me how he got this property. He's the first one to get the property. It was never properly, what was the word he said, what did he call it? Divided. It wasn't subdivided. He said staked out or something like that. And I'm going along like a homestead and he's telling me no. So we talked about it. Now we're going to try to clear this up. Steve: That's interesting. Because I chose this topic because I was reading a stream, an extremely lengthy stream in our Facebook. Jill: So they're talking about it too. Steve: Yeah. It's all over the internet man. And it's so wrong. I have to be real straight here. There's some really bad information about the word homestead. And I know why, because homestead means four or five things to different people. So I'm going to try to clear it up. Jill: It's funny. Steve: And not in a boring way. Jill: [inaudible 00:01:22]. By the way. Steve: That's okay. Jill: Okay, good. I got to say usually we're recording this a few days before. Now pretty much today we're recording on the day. This tells you a little bit about our weekend. Steve: We were late because of our social life interfered with our professional life recently. Jill: You should not let that happen. And we did, "Well, we can record tomorrow." I'll just record tomorrow, or we can record tomorrow. And then here, we're like, Oh, you can't. We have no more tomorrows. Steve: Remember back when we first started out, not with the Atlanta Academy, but just working together. And we were there every day and working hard and all into it. And now it's just a lapse [crosstalk 00:00:02:03]. Jill: [crosstalk 00:02:06] I guess so. Don't do that. Steve: I hear radio radio switches clicking off all over the place right now. Before we get into it, let's take a question posted by one of our members on the landinvestors.com online community. It's free. Jill: Okay. So Austin wrote, "Hello. After a somewhat successful first round mailer, I have a handful of recorded deeds from the County," as you should. This is great. "I haven't sold anything so far. I focus in Northern Arizona and have five acre plus desert properties that I'm hoping to sell in the 2,500 to $3,000 range. For this price point, is it appropriate to hire a photo company such as WeGoLook. There's others like that too, to shoot photos and or video, or should I use stock photos from the region and those will be adequate?" Thanks, Austin. And we put those in there for [inaudible 00:02:59] people. That's one of the things- Steve: There's 10,000 pictures in the original program of Northern Arizona. Jill: That we shared. Steve: [crosstalk 00:03:08] 10,000, maybe 8,000. Jill: When I say we, I mean, somebody else that worked for us or you. Steve: What do you think about this topic? Jill: I would, you know what? I think that back in the day, it was hard to get people and hard to tell them where to go. And for them to find properties, it was difficult for us alone telling photographer. But nowadays you could get a guy for 50 to 75 bucks off these companies or Craigslist, and you can give them GPS coordinates that they can pop in their phone and they can drive right there. So I think not hiring it I think there's no reason nowadays to not hire a photographer, to go out there, hopefully see a couple... And you've got how many properties? Steve: A handful. Jill: Is there a way... Do all of them at the same time. Have your photographer pick the first sunny day w...

Real Definition of Homestead (LA 1299) Transcript: Steve: Steve and Jill here. Jill: Hello. Steve: Welcome to the Land Academy Show, entertaining land, investment talk. I'm Steven Jack Butala. Jill: And I'm Jill DeWitt broadcasting from sunny, Southern California. Steve: Today Jill and I talk about, well, really, I talk about, the real definition of the word homestead. Jill: Why is it only you? This came up because of a call that I had it. And this guy was nutty. Well, I'll explain it. But this nutty seller was explaining to me how he got this property. He's the first one to get the property. It was never properly, what was the word he said, what did he call it? Divided. It wasn't subdivided. He said staked out or something like that. And I'm going along like a homestead and he's telling me no. So we talked about it. Now we're going to try to clear this up. Steve: That's interesting. Because I chose this topic because I was reading a stream, an extremely lengthy stream in our Facebook. Jill: So they're talking about it too. Steve: Yeah. It's all over the internet man. And it's so wrong. I have to be real straight here. There's some really bad information about the word homestead. And I know why, because homestead means four or five things to different people. So I'm going to try to clear it up. Jill: It's funny. Steve: And not in a boring way. Jill: [inaudible 00:01:22]. By the way. Steve: That's okay. Jill: Okay, good. I got to say usually we're recording this a few days before. Now pretty much today we're recording on the day. This tells you a little bit about our weekend. Steve: We were late because of our social life interfered with our professional life recently. Jill: You should not let that happen. And we did, "Well, we can record tomorrow." I'll just record tomorrow, or we can record tomorrow. And then here, we're like, Oh, you can't. We have no more tomorrows. Steve: Remember back when we first started out, not with the Atlanta Academy, but just working together. And we were there every day and working hard and all into it. And now it's just a lapse [crosstalk 00:00:02:03]. Jill: [crosstalk 00:02:06] I guess so. Don't do that. Steve: I hear radio radio switches clicking off all over the place right now. Before we get into it, let's take a question posted by one of our members on the landinvestors.com online community. It's free. Jill: Okay. So Austin wrote, "Hello. After a somewhat successful first round mailer, I have a handful of recorded deeds from the County," as you should. This is great. "I haven't sold anything so far. I focus in Northern Arizona and have five acre plus desert properties that I'm hoping to sell in the 2,500 to $3,000 range. For this price point, is it appropriate to hire a photo company such as WeGoLook. There's others like that too, to shoot photos and or video, or should I use stock photos from the region and those will be adequate?" Thanks, Austin. And we put those in there for [inaudible 00:02:59] people. That's one of the things- Steve: There's 10,000 pictures in the original program of Northern Arizona. Jill: That we shared. Steve: [crosstalk 00:03:08] 10,000, maybe 8,000. Jill: When I say we, I mean, somebody else that worked for us or you. Steve: What do you think about this topic? Jill: I would, you know what? I think that back in the day, it was hard to get people and hard to tell them where to go. And for them to find properties, it was difficult for us alone telling photographer. But nowadays you could get a guy for 50 to 75 bucks off these companies or Craigslist, and you can give them GPS coordinates that they can pop in their phone and they can drive right there. So I think not hiring it I think there's no reason nowadays to not hire a photographer, to go out there, hopefully see a couple... And you've got how many properties? Steve: A handful. Jill: Is there a way... Do all of them at the same time. Have your photographer pick the first sunny day w...

This week I'm talking with my friend Jill Stribling. Jill's family has first-hand experience with COVID-19. If you're a longtime listener, you may remember my chat with Jill back in Ep. 35 about her decision to unplug her family, including her 10-year-old son, whose behavior around screens had started to concern her. About Jill Jill is a teacher and is the owner and founder of English for Fun, a school in Madrid, Spain. English for Fun is a learning laboratory where children and adults are empowered to take risks and try new things. They collaborate with the best research institutes throughout the world in order to bring quality education to Spain and to the world. Jill Stribling has a B.A. in Child Development and Psychology and a Master’s degree in Education and specialty in Literacy and Language Arts from California State University and more than 20 years of experience in education. After several years teaching in public schools in Los Angeles, CA, she was recruited by the American School of Madrid in 2001, where she taught Kindergaten and First Grade and took on several leadership roles (i.e. Grade Level Chair, Accreditation Committee Leader, etc.). With her educational and professional experience firmly in place, she developed a methodology for making language learning fun, and began her entrepreneurial journey in 2008 with literally one student in her living room. Shortly afterwards, she had a total of 70 students, and actually had to expand her business. English for Fun is an educational group with an English Enrichment Program for children and adults, an Urban Camp Program, an American Early Childhood Center and a Training Center for educators. Today, she owns schools in Madrid and Pozuelo de Alarcon, and this year alone more than 3,000 students will benefit from the English for Fun method! Back in the fall of 2018, I had the privilege of visiting the Stribling family, touring English for Fun, and speaking with the parents at both of the school campuses. Big Ideas It is important to think of others during this time. If we are not careful, we could cause the death of someone that we or someone else loves. This is a great time to stay inside and work on ourselves. Quotes Jill: I think that this was the scariest thing that I've ever been through in my entire life. Jill: We were really lucky that he recovered in a week. Jill: I think that now looking back on it, we realize, you know, how crazy everything was and how fortunate we are. But, um, but yeah, it was not easy. And, and, you know, I wish looking back on everything that, that not only would we have taken this more seriously when it happened. Jill: If you are someone who is a carrier and you infect other people, you will never know if you caused a death for somebody that someone else loves. Audrey: It's almost as if like, if you don't know anyone directly, it must not be that serious or something. And these numbers of deaths on that we see on the news just seem not as relevant if you don't know them, which is sad. Jill: The thing about how contagious it is is that you don't even realize it until it's too late. Jill: So that for me is the hardest part of this, is all the damage you do to others when you're not careful. Jill: By the time you realize that you have it, you've already passed it to eight to fifteen people. Audrey: I was wishing we had done better because now of course we're seeing that it's kind of everywhere now and cases are still going up in like most of our states. Jill: I think COVID is kind of teaching us that, you know, we've gotta live differently. Jill: It's not about me anymore. It's about somebody's grandmother. It's about somebody's mother who could have cancer. And I know that for a fact, because I have seen it. Jill: I get it like we're social. We want to go out. But I think right now it's the time to work on ourselves. Audrey: I,  like you, hope that from this, we learn that we are a community. We're a global community. What happens over there impacts us, we all have a responsibility. Resources/Links English for Fun NY Times article Jill mentions I'm Still Here: Black Dignity in a World Made for Whiteness Review by Audrey One Simple Thing - Find Your Flow What is "Flow"? Flow is a term coined by psychologist Mihaly Csikzentmihalyi (pronounced “cheeks sent me high”) that refers to a state of optimal experience and involvement in an activity during which we are performing at our best. Watch Dr. Csikszentmihalyi talk about flow in his TED Talk, “Flow, the Secret to Happiness.” When we’re in “flow,” we are doing something we really, really enjoy. We can’t wait to do the activity again, and we feel a lot of positive emotions while participating in the activity. We can stick with it for hours without even noticing the time going by. In fact, when we’re in flow, it’s hard to stop whatever we’re doing. Flow is different from pleasure – simply doing things that are enjoyable like watching TV, scrolling on social media, or shopping. Instead, flow activities usually are demanding and take our full attention and concentration. How do I achieve flow? People achieve flow in all different ways, including while playing a musical instrument, playing a sport, writing, painting, attending a concert, bird watching, riding a horse, or running, to name just a few. Often we cannot relate to the passion others have for their personal “flow” activity, since their enthusiasm and passion seem inordinately high. For the lucky ones among us, we find flow in our daily work. The younger you are, the more likely it is that you’ve been in flow today. Young children excel at getting into a state of flow, usually during unstructured play time. As they create their pretend worlds, “cook” in the sand box, build a fort, or swing high on a swing, they are joyful and time flies by for them. Young children are experts at happily living in the moment. As we get older, however, we need to be more aware of getting ourselves into that engaged, amazing state that we enjoyed when we were younger. Official definition of flow Flow is the mental state of operation in which a person performing an activity is fully immersed in a feeling of energized focus, full involvement, and enjoyment in the process of the activity. In essence, flow is characterized by complete absorption in what one does. Possible Flow Activities And here are some ideas of possible flow activities from Deann Ware, Ph.d: Physical activities such as sports, yoga, dance, and martial arts Outdoor challenges such as hiking Music–writing, playing, mixing Art–painting, sculpture, mixed media, pottery Photography Woodworking Do-It-Yourself projects, such as home improvement Working with animals Gardening Cooking and baking Software development/coding Scrapbooking Writing Needlework–sewing, knitting, cross stitch Horseback riding What you do for work (hopefully!) Questions to ask yourself (and your kids) What activities get you into flow? When have you been doing something that you are so engaged that you’ve completely lost track of time? What are new activities you want to try this summer? What makes your heart “sing?” Sometimes, we need to explore different activities before we figure out which activities get us into that awesome state of flow. Don’t worry if you haven’t found that awesome, engaged state yet. Sometimes, it takes awhile to explore, and many adults haven’t even figured it out yet! So start now, while you have some free time, exploring different activities – creative, athletic, academic, etc. – and find your flow! Flow states are a great clue as we figure out who we are and what makes us our best self! Finding Flow My Favorite I’m Still Here: Black Dignity in a World Made for Whiteness

What’s In This Episode: Brad: If you're sick and tired, and every time you think about your business it makes you go aah, that is a poor indicator of your business health. Brad: Welcome to Breaking Down Your Business, episode 357. Jill: No, no, no, no. No, no. No. Brad: You can find the show notes to this episode at breakingdownyourbusiness.com/357, beep, boop, bop, beep. Jill: What's happened to you? Don't make me shout it. Nobody's going to know who we are. Oh, gross. Brad: Jill. It's April. We're talking about numbers. So I thought that- Jill: So, that immediately means robot voice. Brad: Yes, exactly. Robot voice for the numbers. Jill: Of course. Totally makes sense.

What’s In This Episode: Brad: Welcome to Breaking Down Your Business! Jill: There he is! Brad: Episode 358. Jill: So exciting! Brad: You can find the show notes of this episode of BreakingDownYourBusiness.com/358. Jill: All the numbers correct in the numbers episode. Brad: Yes! We're talking about numbers for the month of April.

What’s In This Episode: Brad: I'm a big fan of podcasting. Jill: Same. Brad: I think podcasting is a great way to demonstrate expertise. Jill: Agreed. Brad: However, it is a long tail process. Welcome to Breaking Down Your Business, episode 352. You can find the show notes for this episode of breakingdownyourbusiness.com/352. Jill: So glad [inaudible 00:00:28]. Brad: That exciting, thrilling energy field voice, that's Jill from the Founding Moms doing her Ethel impression. Jill: I don't know why I wanted to look like this. This is Brad from Anchor Advisors. If you've never listened to the show, I don't actually sound like this.

How to Get Over the Fear of Buying Property (1070) Transcript: Steven:                Steven and Jill here. Jill:                          Good day. Steven:                Welcome to the Land Academy Show. Entertaining land investment talk. I'm Steven Jack Butala. Jill:                          And I'm Jill Dewitt broadcasting from sunny Southern California. Steven:                Today, Jill and I talk about how to get over the fear of buying property. Seems like such an interesting, funny, incredibly unnecessary topic, but I know it's- Jill:                          Oh my gosh, are you serious? Steven:                Yeah, to me it does. Jill:                          To me it's a necessary. Steven:                Yeah. Jill:                          Unnecessary. Just because you have no fear and I have no fear, it doesn't mean- Steven:                Any fear of buying real estate at all. Jill:                          I do not. Steven:                Have you ever? Jill:                          No. Steven:                Neither have I. Jill:                          Hold on a moment. That does not mean that everybody's that way. If it's one thing I have learned. Steven:                Well you just cut me off in the middle of the sentence, but that's okay. Jill:                          I'm sorry. I didn't know you were going there. Steven:                You know what we should do that's so, it's going to be annoying to the listener, but really fun for us. Jill:                          So sorry. Steven:                Every single sentence the other person says, just cut them off. Jill:                          Not nice. Steven:                Go ahead, Jill. Jill:                          No I didn't mean to do that. Steven:                It's not a trap, I mean it. Go ahead. Jill:                          Finish your thing. Steven:                No, I can't remember what I was going to say. Jill:                          Oh, well, sorry. Steven:                Look, this show is all about learning how to buy and sell real estate, so it's not really about Jill and I at all. So what comes easy to us might be incredibly difficult for somebody and vice versa. So this topic came up because we have a lot of new staff right now, and I'm learning by watching how they're doing deals and what they're bringing to the table that adds to what Jill and I can bring to the table. You know, there's some concern about ... you know what I think this really shows really about, and then I'll let you take over, because I know you have a lot of notes. It's just insecurity, not about buying real estate, it's just like fear of failure. Jill:                          Well I was going to say, I really saw it when we were talking about the topics. Not our people, the members. I talked to new members all the time. New and or thinking about jumping in, and this is one of their concerns. Steven:                Oh, okay, good. So it is necessary. Jill:                          It is necessary. And I have a lot more to say when we talk about the show. Steven:                Before we get into it, let's take to a topic posted by one of our members on the landinvestors.com online community. It's free. Jill:                          Joe wrote, "Hello, my name is Joe. I'm 28 years old, married and no kids. New to this site and learning about land investing. I'm very interested. This is definitely something I want to do. However, I don't really know the best path to take at this point in my life. I have a decent paying job, but I hate it." Poor guy. "I'm just now getting to where I can make a change. I either want to go back to college or go back into the military. Now that I've found this, I'm not sure if I should focus on getting a better career first and then working towards investing in land, or just use the job I have now to save and get started. I don't know really what it takes to get going and I don't know h...

What’s In This Episode: Jill's recently made some changes over at The Founding Moms, going from monthly meetups to weekly masterminds. "I'm not even sure I know what a mastermind group is." - Brad Audio branding and content marketing expert Tina Dietz's company is in a period of rapid expansion and she doesn't know who to hire first. They talk through pain points and trust issues. "I want facilitators and listeners more than problem solvers." - Jill So what is a mastermind, anyway? Usually a small group with an agenda that aims to solve whatever business problems group members have. Jill and Brad talk through masterminds and what the benefit of having peers listen, talk through, and get clarity is. Are you part of a mastermind group? Guest: Find Tina Dietz on LinkedIn. 

How to Buy Your Next Primary Residence (LA 946) Transcript: Steven:                Steve and Jill here. Jill:                          Guten Tag! Steven:                What? Welcome to the Land Academy Show, entertaining land investment talk. I'm Steven Jack Butala. Jill:                          And I'm Jill DeWitt, broadcasting from not Germany but from Sunny Southern California. Wouldn't that be funny? Steven:                We should do this where we go, everywhere we go. Jill:                          Yeah. Steven:                Today, Jill and I talk about how to buy your next primary residence using data. Jill:                          Yeah. Steven:                We've done it. I'm doing it right now. Jill:                          Exactly! We do do this on the road but we haven't been in Germany in a while. Steven:                We should celebrate a little more. Jill:                          Exactly! Steven:                Before we get into it, let's a take a question posted by one of our members on the landinvestors.com online community. It's free. Jill:                          Okay. This made me laugh. JeffU asked ... I've got to say, it's so funny. Do you remember there was a guy, I wonder if it's the same guy, there was a guy years ago that was at our group and his name was Jeff and it was back when we first started our member calls every week and we would always title the calls. There was always some funny thing that happened during the call. Steven:                Like these shows. Like this episode. Jill:                          Yeah, we'd all crack up about something so at the end of the call, we started to all, we said, “All right, what would you call the show?” And we come up with this funny things and I swear there was this guy that was ... I want to say it was Jeff U. We're like, “Yeah. You know what? Well, Jeff U?” Do you remember that? Steven:                I do. Jill:                          So anyway, if it's you Jeff, I think it's funny and nice to see you. So, “Sorry for the newbie question. I have heard about Steve and Jill talk about percentages off of retail value. My question is what is retail value?” Is ... this is a great questions guy. Steven:                That's what I think. Jill:                          And now I know you're new so it's not the same Jeff but welcome anyway. “Is it the top price that you could potential sell it for it? Number two, what others are selling it on Land Watch or other sites? Or Number there, is it what you would be selling it for discounted from Land Watch and other sites? Also, I'm just curious, what is the percentage of that ...” wait, “what is the percentage that you discount a property? I understand it's going to be different from county to county but on average what you end up selling it for and what is the discounted price from the full value? Let's say you sell it for top dollar and what is a discount percentage from other sites such as Land Watch for similar properties? Thank you for taking the time to answer this newbie question. JeffU.” Steven:                So we answer every single one of those questions and address those topics in a tremendous amount of detail in our of education programs but I choose this question very specifically because it's a big issue. Like pricing itself is what he's really asking is, “Yeah, you guys talk about retail value. You talk about wholesale value. You obviously say you have to buy it cheaper. What are the percentages?” Steven:                Retail value is the price that it's listed for in general. It used to be not so long ago but used to be the price you listed it for and the price you sell it for is very different. Not so much anymore. Basically, the listing price plus or minus 5% with land or houses or anything is about the same. And that's your retail value and you can very easily with land associate a price per acre or in the case of infill lots,

Jill Richmond joins us today to talk about the U.S. government’s somewhat mixed success to date in regulating cryptocurrency and the growing push by predominantly conservative political forces to reduce federal intervention and give states a bigger say in how this new economy is regulated. Jill brings us up to speed on how crypto trade and lobbying groups such as the Digital Asset Trade Association (DATA), which she Co-Founded, are faring in their efforts to ensure that states pass consistent laws across the board. And she explains how the growing tensions between states and Washington D.C. on crypto regulation involves the principle of  federalism. We’ll give you a report card of states and show how some states are doing better than others at this political gamesmanship. Tune in to find out what’s fact, what’s substance, and what’s grandstanding in the growing political battle over cryptocurrency. Topics Covered in this Conversation with Jill Richmond: – Patchwork of federal regulations – Confusion and lack of clarity – Complex woolly regulatory environment – States trying to create clarity for companies – Many states also creating patchwork of laws – Difficulties of crypto companies to get banked – Interest from banks to move to foreign jurisdictions – Confusion over definition of cryptocurrency and ICOs – Role of federalism in crypto politics – Conservative groups working to give more power to states – Digital Asset Trade Association (DATA)  working to create consistent state legislation – States Report Card – How DATA was created and got involved in legislative activity – States doing the most on regulation – Gubernatorial races and impact on industry – Wyoming becoming Delaware of crypto – Rise of crypto banks – Getting Congress to become more engaged – Closing thoughts and key takeaways   Questions and Comments? podcast@gem.co Guest Contact Information Jill Richmond LinkedIn | Twitter | Telegram Website: Digital Asset Trade Association Resource Links Blockchain and Cryptocurrency: State Law Roundup US Election Sees Crypto-Friendly Politicians Win Governor Races DATA Continues To Move the Needle in Wyoming Wyoming Eyes Creation of Blockchain-Friendly Bank to Lure Bitcoin Startups State Regulations on Virtual Currency and Blockchain Technologies Crypto industry leaders warn Congress: Figure out regulation, or watch innovation leave the US Colorado Digital Token Act Wyoming wants to be Delaware of the West With Business Court U.S. State of Wyoming Defines Cryptocurrency ‘Utility Tokens’ as New Asset Class Transcript: Interview with Jill Richmond Interview Recorded On: January 8th, 2019 Topic: Politics and Crypto   Chitra: Welcome to the show, Jill. It's great to have you.   Jill: No, it's great to be here. Thanks, Chitra.   Chitra: Thanks so much. So this past year there was a tremendous amount of interpretation and confusion it seemed on how different federal agencies were defining how cryptocurrency should be regulated.   Jill: Sure. So - and I think to lean into that a little bit more - I think you have everyone from the SEC to the CFTC to FinCEN determining whether we're looking at property, we're looking at commodity, or we're looking at a security, but none really turning around and saying this may be a new asset class. So, what you have is agencies that leaned in really hard without creating a lot of clarity and companies wrote reactively and proactively trying to respond to what was either coming down the pike as they anticipated it. And so, interestingly enough, what you've started to see as a result of this kind of complex woolly regulatory environment is states and hopefully on the federal side, trying to lean as heavy as they can and trying to create some clarity for companies, individuals, and otherwise, and obviously consumers in terms of how they need to behave, operate within a framework in the United States.   Chitra: Let's pause for a minute and talk about the current state of affairs for businesses and investors when it comes to pain points and friction in how they're operating.   Jill: Okay, sure. So, I guess you sort of need to define what you're talking about here, are you talking about cryptocurrency? Are you talking about blockchain technology?   Chitra: Cryptocurrency.   Jill: Cryptocurrency, fine. Okay. So for cryptocurrency, you have a lot of companies that have very difficult time trying to get banked. So there are banks that are more or less unhelpful to companies that are operating in the US and companies are finding themselves having to find a jurisdiction and bank outside of the US. So there's this, I would say, this interest in moving to other jurisdictions. So that's a huge pain point for companies. Certainly companies who were trying to bank class last year had a very difficult time. I can get to that later. In terms of what legislation is on the ground, possibly in Wyoming to have a bank that basically is supporting blockchain and crypto-based companies.   There are pain points around, even companies, and I'm often uncomfortable in discussing it, but there were companies who essentially said, look, we want to do an ICO. Can we do an ICO in this country? Does that mean that we have to turn around and now only work with accredited investors?   Chitra: An ICO is an initial coin offering, which is a method of crowdfunding in cryptocurrency.   Jill: Yes. So, essentially, companies last year were producing utility tokens and treating those utility tokens effectively as an investment vehicle and running afoul of major securities law. Essentially treating a token, utility token, extensively, which needs to be treated as utility token. In other words, the token has utility consumptive value within the ecosystem.   Chitra: Unlike a security for instance, which the SEC says ICOs and tokens essentially are.   Jill: That's right. So there is still real value in having a utility. That utility token, however, should not, could not, cannot be treated as an investment contract per se. So it's the intent around what that token’s primary purpose is.   Chitra: And this is a source of great disagreement at the federal level.   Jill: It is still a source of great disagreement, although I don't know because the disagreement is such that, the SEC still looks at the how we test as-   Chitra: Which is a supreme court test that deals with securities regulation.   Jill: That's right. And so, in applying that test to, I guess a utility token, it can be very complicated. And as I said, it often is about the intent of the utility tokens. So, there was legislation that was created out in Wyoming. We can cover that, HB 70, which was a bill that was passed in a Wyoming last March that we helped. And I can tell you that we helped shepherd along, which really stipulated effectively what a utility or an open token is and that it is exempt from property taxes.   Chitra: So this is important because the SEC says that cryptocurrency is a security and is illegal unless regulated by the SEC, then you've got the commodities future trading commission. The CFTC says, oh no, cryptocurrency is a commodity. And then you have the IRS saying cryptocurrency is property. And then you have FinCEN which is the treasury’s financial crimes enforcement network saying that it is money. So you have all of these different interpretations. But now you have a state named the Wyoming saying, we believe that utility tokens can be essentially exempt from-   Jill: Property taxes.   Chitra: ...from property taxes. So it seems like this is a perfect example of federalism at play. So can you talk a little bit about how federalism is kind of playing a role here and eventually they'll, it seems that in situations like that often courtside with the federal laws and so how will this all play out?   Jill: Yeah, it's a good question and we haven't seen it yet. So yes, it is a perfect example of federalism, but you still have major issues that fall within, I guess financial markets to some extent, taxes and otherwise that are still at the purview of the state level. So, as long as you are working closely with the state securities, if you're working around securities law as it relates on the state level, you're extensively okay. Do I think that there's going to be a showdown about what's happening in Wyoming? I don't know. We haven't seen it yet and it's hard for me to predict whether we're going to start seeing the courts take on what's happening on a state level. It's still extremely nascent right now. I mean with Wyoming being probably the front runner and the most maybe controversial legislation on the ground in one particular state.   Chitra: Let's go back to the broader area. It seems that many states are now weighing in on how cryptocurrency should be regulated. And the Brookings Institute essentially categorized states in seven different ways. And they said there are states that are unaware, reactionary, appreciative, organized, actively engaged and recognizing innovation potential. And I know that your trade group, The Digital Assets Trade Association has also done a lot of work and done a report card on how states are fairing when dealing with cryptocurrency. Can you sum up what you’ve found?   Jill: Yeah, I think that's fair. So what you saw in 2014, is the first wave of kind of 20 states that came in and started to regulate or started to create legislation acknowledging cryptocurrency and more or less protecting the consumer. So you've got New York and California and the license. So, but fast forward to 2018 really is sort of the next wave of states that fall within those sort of seven categories. So for us at The Digital Asset Trade Association and I love the Brookings, I thought Brookings did a great job of breaking that down, at least for people who were slightly unaware of what's going on on a state level. What we did is take it a little, a step further, which is to say the elections are imminent and let's kind of highlight some of the governors that we know are either proactive. So in the case of Colorado, we had Jared Polis who we know as a state legislator, formed the blockchain coalition.   Chitra: And you're referring to the 2018 midterm elections.   Jill: [crosstalk] That's correct. Yeah. So anyway, the short version of a long story is that where seven of those states fit. So there are seven key states that are really looking into legislation that not only is acknowledging the technology, but are creating safe harbor legislation and also, trying to identify where blockchain technology fits around public and private services. So, can we have state records on a blockchain? Can we have... how are we treating smart contracts? So you have places like Delaware, Arizona was extremely progressive. Wyoming as we know which issued and passed six bills last year, extremely progressive and probably the most progressive.   So our scorecard was basically giving, we're giving governors and states, essentially an A rating or a passive rating or an A rating, so to speak. So at least voters started to understand where their state fit and where their legislators fit around adopting legislation that was probably creating job creation within their state. So it wasn't just about cryptocurrency, it was, look, we're taking a really strong position. We want companies to set up shop in the case of Wyoming and we want to be seen as an innovation hub.   Chitra: So what's at stake really here is the entire new ecosystem that's being built around cryptocurrency. So it's a jobs and attracting more companies to increase your tax base. There seems to be a lot at stake here.   Jill: Yeah, there is a lot at stake and I think there's still that pivotal moment where legislators are starting to see if they take action, they can retain talent, company innovation, staying either in-state and not fleeing to a new jurisdiction. That's the hope. That, that innovation, that sandbox legislation that gets put on the table in Colorado for instance, creates opportunities for new financial based or fintech-based companies to operate within their state and not flee and go somewhere else.   Chitra: What are the stakes for crypto businesses in terms of the friction we talked about, the pain points, what do they want?   Jill: Oh, well. I guess it was September of this year, there was a real, there was a round table on a federal level that was put together with a number of major players within the industry and above and beyond all else, it was clarity. It was just clarity. It was the, look, in order for us to have big money come into this industry, it needs to be regulated well, it needs to be regulated with clarity and their hopes in the friction at least as far as they're concern is as they're building new financial products and infrastructure, that clarity means everything in terms of, again, where that innovation is coming from. Is it in Korea or is it really coming out of the United States? Is it coming from Malta or is it coming from the United States?   Chitra: So you have at the federal level, a patchwork of guidance and confusion. And now you have states jumping in and every state is trying to issue its own idex on regulation of cryptocurrency. You have the underlying kind of a conservative political movement steeped in federalism that's tried to give more [crosstalk] power to the states from ALEC, the conservative organization, the American Legislative Exchange Council. So you have that underlying kind of political movement that's driving some of this stuff. And then we have groups like yours that's trying to wrestle all of this to the ground and finding some kind of consistency. So how is this all working out?   Jill: Well, it's complicated. So, and maybe it helps if I give a little bit of an information. Oh, I help you understand a little bit about DATA, so-   Chitra: Your organization?   Jill: My organization, which is The Digital Asset Trade Association. The Digital Asset Trade Association, let me just sort of give some context to bring you right back. Digital Asset Trade Association was really formed last year. End of January, we had a round table with the chief information officer at the CFTC and the SEC and we sat down in a private room with stakeholders from blockchain and crypto-based companies and said, what can we do to help you? In not so many words, what can we do to help you communicate directly to the companies and understand their pain points and help you understand how do you either both weed out bad actors or be compliant or operate in a way that is moving the needle on proactivity?   And so what came out of it, at least the timing, was Wyoming was really fast moving in introducing six pieces of legislation. And we as an organization that had just been formed, turned around and said, we're going to focus all of our energy and attention over to Wyoming. We're going to work closely with the Wyoming blockchain coalition. We're going to work closely with Caitlin Long and help them shepherd through kind of a stake in the ground and that's what we did and we did it very quickly. It was within two weeks. We sort of dropped in like a SWAT team, testified, introduced as much language, education, support as the state needed. Walked away and said, okay, we have our mission. Our mission is now to use Wyoming as kind of the ground zero, even though there were other states before, but use Wyoming as sort of the proverbial ground zero and say, now let's try and create federal language that takes HB 70, for instance, on a federal level and create consistency among states.   Chitra: [crosstalk] utility token definition.   Jill: This is utility token definition, exactly. And so, we started to get inbound requests from states and guidance and support and we went over to Colorado and started working in Colorado to help pass legislation that by the way, did not pass. But we have a very different makeup in the Senate and the House right now and we have a very progressive governor. And so the short version of a long story, is DATA was really formed to create consistency among states and we will be working with bodies like ALEC to help support that consistency among states.   Chitra: But at the moment, given this patchwork, the fact which of course is democracy at its best and worst as we know it, is this a blessing or a curse that states are jumping in willy nilly to try to change and shape this ecosystem.   Jill: Is it Pollyannaish for me to say it's a blessing and a curse? Because it is. It's a blessing because you almost need to do this pincer move. There's a little bit of a pincer move that needs to happen. States are going to jump in and they're going to try and clarify and they're certainly going to do that hopefully, or at least in their best interest, which is to attract companies and they're going to go head to, so Wyoming is going to go head to head with Delaware and you've got states that are going to start competing with each other to attract talent, to attract innovation. Now is that helpful for those companies? Probably not. The reasons why states are doing it versus why companies need to have some defining language. So, it's a blessing because now you have companies that are like, great, I feel like I can go move-   Chitra: They have a home.   Jill: They have a home, they can move to Colorado and there are a lot of major companies in Colorado. They can move to, you have kind of, you have companies that are now at least exchanges that have turned around and said, okay, we can move out to Wyoming and leave Washington for instance. So you're attracting talent, but you will have to create a serious pincer move around the introduction of a lot of that consistent legislation on the federal side now. And we hope as a trade organization to bridge, we've got many masters, but to bridge that chasm so to speak.   Chitra: And one of the things you're seeing is the education of politicians both at the federal and at the state level about blockchain technology and cryptocurrency and the midterm elections were significant for the cryptocurrency industry in that you had the election of three crypto savvy, crypto friendly governors, I guess it was Jared Polis of Colorado and-   Jill: Gavin Newsom.   Chitra: Gavin Newsom of California and you had the third one was Mark Gordon of Wyoming-   Jill: Wyoming.   Chitra: ... of course. And then you had-   Jill: He was inaugurated last night.   Chitra: Yeah. And then you had two who were re-elected. One was Gina Raimondo of Rhode Island and Greg Abbott of Texas. So you've got five state governors now who are getting educated and are knowledgeable and supportive of cryptocurrency. And that seems to, that that's going to have an impact too.   Jill: Yeah, it will. I mean, you absolutely will. I mean, you're literally starting to see the movement of that legislation right now. You've got bills that are hitting the House floor in Colorado. You have new package legislation that we hope we expect to get very little push back on, but we don't know. There's now five bills that are hitting the House floor on Friday.   Chitra: In Wyoming?   Jill: Wyoming.   Chitra: And what do they, just generally speaking broadly, what are they trying to do those bills?   Jill: So you've got, and I'm going to lose the number, but I think it's HB 76, so forgive me on that. We'll have to edit that. But HB 76, so you have clarifying legislation, which is just re-clarifying HB 70. It helps to clarify in terms of the utility and the exemption of property taxes. And the most important bill, I think that's hitting the floor is a banking bill. Which is setting up the establishment of a bank, which is-   Chitra: A crypto bank.   Jill: A crypto bank.   Chitra: The first of its kind?   Jill: It will be the first of its kind, which is not FDIC insured. So there will be no lending, but it is really for the purposes of depository and acts really for companies to be able to have a bank. I don't know, you've been in this industry long enough to see what it's like to try and set up a bank account. It's often your bank account is shut or frozen or you have a ton of issues and this is a huge pain point for companies. So, I think part of the package of legislation in Wyoming is again, to attract companies and talent.   Chitra: So, in essence is Wyoming trying to become for Crypto what Delaware is for traditional banking for instance?   Jill: It is. Yeah. It is. I think you saw 1977, Wyoming really was the first issue, the LLC. And so, I think there's always been a little bit of a rivalry between Wyoming and Delaware of sorts. But Wyoming has attractive reasons for companies to go. And, I will say that only because I'm watching companies that are relocating to Wyoming that are setting up developer communities across Wyoming that are setting up a secondary office or a third office or a fourth office so that they can take advantage of what Wyoming offers them. Not that I'm plugging Wyoming, I don't live there, but it's-   Chitra: It's one of the states that's proving to be friendly to crypto businesses.   Jill: Yeah, that's right.   Chitra: So let's look ahead to this year, 2019. What do you see happening in terms of federal legislation regulation, state legislation regulation, studies, business development across the spectrum? Where do you see us ending up at the end of 2019 compared to where we were a year ago?   Jill: I think you're going to get a lot more clarity. I mean, I do believe that there is so, I think on a macro level you've seen all of the pieces of the puzzle be put back together again to the extent that you have now strong movement on the state level. So you have a number of bills and key states that are moving. You've got New Jersey that's moving on legislation and Arizona as we know, has moved on legislation. We're getting inquiries from New Mexico and otherwise, legislation that is a little bit more closely aligned with either our agenda of our members or closely aligned with creating innovation etc and just clarity. And I think that the makeup on the federal side, at least in Congress, is such that we will start to move much more quickly in creating consistency as well. So I think-   Chitra: [crosstalk] If nothing else, maybe this is an invitation for Congress to jump in and start to provide some of this legislative language to clarify some of these issues and then reduce the confusion.   Jill: Agreed. I mean, I think this is a good year to see some, either groundbreaking movement or some clarity. So, I think you saw it was maybe December 11th and there was a lot of, it wasn't the most welcome move, but I think you saw the CFTC did a public request for input really around aspects of how Ether and the Ethereum network operates. You're starting to see the engagement at least open inquiries into, let's figure this out.   Chitra: Great. Any closing thoughts, Jill?   Jill: Yeah, I think, look, I'm a big proponent of my organization. We are constantly looking for support in companies that want to join our working groups, especially as we develop working groups post-Wyoming around really around banking and identity and otherwise. And so I would say please sort of visit us at digitalasset.org and keep an eye on what we're doing in Wyoming and keep an eye on what we're doing in Colorado.   Chitra: Great. And where can people learn more about you and the work you're doing?   Jill: So you can find, so digitalasset.org that's probably the best way. And you can certainly reach out to me directly at jill.richmond@digitalasset.org.   Chitra: Awesome. Well, Jill it has been so great to have you on the show, and there's so much going on that a lot of us are not even aware of at the state and federal level. Jill: Yeah. Thanks for asking. Yeah, thank you.

Elie Katzenson interviews East Bay Alternative Book and Zine Fest (EBABZ) organizers Gillian Dreher, June Hong, and Maira McDermott about the specialness of zines and their relevance as underground publications for activists, artists, and writers in search for total creative freedom and publishing options.Transcript:Elie Katzenson:This is Method To The Madness, a biweekly public affairs show on KALX Berkeley celebrating Bay Area innovators.I am Elie Katzenson. I am here with the organizers of EBABZ, which stands for the East Bay Alternative Book and Zine Fest, which is coming up this Saturday, December 8th at Omni Commons in Oakland.It's from 11:00 to 5:00. That venue, Omni Commons, is located at 4799 Shattuck Avenue, which is super close to the MacArthur Bar, and there's a drop off on the sixth bus line in addition to other bus lines. For now, I am here with Jill, June, and Mira. Hi y'all.Mira:Hey.Jill:Hey.Elie Katzenson:Let's start by talking about what a zine is.Mira:A zine, in my opinion, is really anything you want it to be. It doesn't even need to be printed. You can have online zines, digital zines. It's anything that you feel really passionate about or interested in that you want to share with other people, and you just kind of put together this little book.It doesn't have to be a traditional book shape. It can be any shape you want. Staple it, copy a bunch of pages, hand it out. That's a zine.Elie Katzenson:Zines are interesting because, as I understand it, historically they've been and they continue to be like an underground publication used a lot by activists, artists, and writers that are looking for the ability to self publish, which affords them total freedom.There's a lot of identity exploration that maybe traditional publishing houses wouldn't allow for that space, and so you have lesser represented communities exploring their identities.With this, I'm thinking queer people, I'm thinking like there's a lot of diasporic exploration, mixed identities, mixed ethnic identities, anarchist groups, a lot of unique politics are getting space. Then kind of nontraditional relationship models. I've seen some like polyamory and nonmonogamous related zines.Really valuable information that isn't able to get exposure elsewhere, in zines gets massive exposure. These fests, which take place across the country, they are really hubs of, this is a big word to say, but like revolutionary information sometimes. It all starts it seems on a small scale, but this work can have major repercussions in a positive sense for a lot of people.Mira:In my personal experience it has been revolutionary, because through zines that's how I have found the words to work through my own gender identity, and that was revolutionary for me.Elie Katzenson:What Mira just said is proof of why zines are so important. In your experience why are zines so special?June:I think the beauty of the zine is, as Mira said, the total freedom and creative control you can have over your publication, and because you don't have to go through the process of a publishing house, and you self publish, you can really make it anything you want it to be.Jill:I also love the element of like speed and spontaneity. An event can happen and you can make a zine about it immediately. I think it's so great for like activism, or current events, because you can react, and share your ideas. Any idea, super quickly.Elie Katzenson:When I think of something like writer's block, or like fear of showing your work, zines, in this punk way, emphasize the naturalness and the power of your first response,and sort of like first thoughts. How do you let go enough to just say like I'm going to put myself out there. I'm going to put my work out there. How do people do that? I'm so impressed by that with zines that I've seen. They're very thoughtful, but they're not over-thought and they're not manicured to the point of perfection.June:I feel like that's such like a classic problem with creative work or like an issue is at what point do I feel comfortable enough to like share my work. With zines I feel like there's such a broad spectrum. Even the range of zines that I've seen some look definitely more spur of the moment, first draft, made photocopies, and published versus zines that look more like traditional books.I feel like the answer to like when do you feel comfortable? Like how do you get over that hump? Like is this getting over your own perfectionism to publish is something that zines kind of help with, because it is so easy to make. That's one less barrier for you to like put your content out there.Elie Katzenson:How zines have been seen more in the mainstream, and so you're talking about the first draft zine, which is a little more, not less marketable. Then you have commercialized zines that maybe are a little less substance oriented.Maybe a little less political, a little less extreme, a little more surface level, and I've been kind of curious about what the dynamic is within the zine community in regards to content.Is there more collaboration in the same community? There seems to be maybe a little bit more friendship. I know that treating your zines is a big part of what you do when you table.Jill:I've had really good experiences making friends through zines, and even making friends zines on Facebook groups, and then traveling to those people's fests, and let me stay at their house.I've never met these people, and there's just a level of trust that comes in I think when you're sharing your work that's really personal. You kind of get to know someone and then they're like, "Yeah, I've never met you but I think you're not going to murder me, so come stay at my house for a weekend."Thinking specifically about when I went to Omaha Zine Fest, and the organizers of that fest were super sweet. I think there's just a lot of camaraderie in the zine community, because we're all just kind of doing the same thing. Not the same exact thing, but we all have the same passion for this art form.Elie Katzenson:This is the ninth year of EBABZ. As I understand it, it was kind of born out of people enjoying Portland Zine Fest, and San Francisco Zine Fest, and thinking that there was enough artists and creators in the East Bay to have a fest here, and even the organizers nine years ago are different than the organizers that are y'all, right?Mira I know that you kind of had like this sub-zine fest, The Bay Area Queer Zine Fest. I think that the space that EBABZ creates, not only at The Fest, which I've been to a couple of years in a row, but the work that you're championing and really like helping proliferate, how can people and the community of the East Bay in general help EBABZ thrive and help zinesters thrive. How can we support the creation of this work?Jill:Volunteer.June:Yeah.Mira:Show up day of. That's really important still.June:Please volunteer.Jill:It's crazy. My boyfriend especially lately has been in awe of all of the work that we've been doing. I think with events like this you don't realize, you always think, "Oh, someone's in charge."No one's in charge. We're just kind of making all this up as we go, and like working together and like figuring out how to get stuff done. Like I'll come home from our meetings working sessions and he'll be like, "Oh what did you do today?" I'll tell him and he'll be like, "What? Like you're doing so much stuff. That's so cool."So yeah, it would be great for people to get involved.Elie Katzenson:What kind of things can people do?Jill:So much, so everything, from all year long, we have different events. Mira's always really good, and June at like planning, fundraising events, getting in touch with like different organizations, figuring out how we can work together, teaching people how to make zines, like workshops like that.We also do planning stuff throughout the year. We have to like send out applications. We have to figure out like what are our mission statement is.Mira:There's administrative work, but all the way to like really fun poster makes.June:Yeah, make a flyer. InstagramMira:Follow their Instagram y'all.Jill:There's fun stuff happening. Voluntaring looks fun if you follow the Insta.June:I think a lot of people are afraid to volunteer, because putting yourself out there is always really scary. Also maybe in capitalist society in general, there's the concept that you have to pay a lot of time in a place before you have any power or say, and so you think that you shouldn't be there helping, or deciding how things are run because you're new, but EBABZ is a democracy as far as I can tell, a major democracy, and people are really welcome, and like radically welcome. It's radically inclusive.Jill:A friend of mine reached out to me and said they were too busy to volunteer but they know this person who's in high school who was looking for like some way to get involved with zines.We brought them on, and they have just gone for it. They reached out to like all the different high schools in the area to ask for people to get involved, share their zines. Any level of effort is appreciated.Mira:For sure. I feel like that can happen in such different ways too. Like so as we said, there's like many different capacities in which you can volunteer, but also like we all started volunteering at the same time three years ago, and how I showed up was I just saw like a volunteer meeting on Facebook.I just like showed up without really knowing that much about The Zine Fest. I'd like gone the previous year, but my friend had posted it on Facebook, so I was like, "Yeah, well I'll just like show up, and now I've continued to stick with it for the past three years, so you never know how it's going to go.Elie Katzenson:Tomas is one of the organizers who I think is not strictly active anymore, and he was talking about the idea that a zine more than maybe certain other mediums is really like a one-on-one interaction between the creator and the reader.What makes a zine one-on-one interaction? Why is that one-on-one interaction really essential, especially when you're talking about subject matter that is frequently very intimate, and life changing I guess I would say, because I think so much of reading zines is related to identity, and people find a sense of belonging that maybe they're not experiencing as frequently in reading fiction.Mira:In my experience it's been kind of like handing someone my diary, and they just happened to be standing right in front of me sometimes making really awkward eye contact. It's terrifying, but that's just kind of what it is.I don't know. It's really cool to have these one-on-one interactions with people even if it's not in person, and then have them give you feedback, or tell you that, "Oh, this zine meant a lot to me, because x, y or Z," and then it's like, "Oh, I'm not alone in what I'm feeling. Wow, this feels great." There's like solidarity with other people over just, I don't know, stuff that maybe you felt like you were alone in.Jill:There's those kinds of zines. I feel like that with a lot of mirror zines, and a lot of per zines, that are like diary type zines, but there's also the zines where it's more communal, and I feel like rather than like a one-on-one, it's this feeling of entering into a group just through reading.I'm thinking of ones that are collaborative that community produces, or ones that maybe share like history of like a place or a thing that you weren't familiar with. It's like you're entering into this world more of a shared base instead of one-to-one. It's one to a bunch. Even if you've never met those people, or seen those people.Elie Katzenson:When people think about getting involved in community, it seems like you have to be a people person, and really enjoy being extroverted all the time, etcetera. What's interesting about Zines is there's face for everyone, and there's sensitivity to whoever you are.You are just radically accepted and loved, and that respect is just so special. I don't think that's really a question, but I think it's something that I want people who maybe aren't familiar with zines, or who haven't participated in an event where zines are shared to know that that is really the environment that is created at a fest.Like Willy Wonka and The Chocolate Factory where you're going to find the level that you want. Maybe you find the blueberry early, and you get rolled away, or you make it to the end and you get your gobstopper. You know? So.June:Yeah, totally. That reminds me of how earlier we were talking about how to support zine communities and stuff, and we talked about volunteering, but also what I found that has been super important to me within zine organizing, and the Oakland art community in general, is I found that people are so supportive and welcoming, and down to help you out with your projects.People's generosity and acceptance has really blown my mind. It's super inspiring to see people be making things and helping other people make things, and being able to express their selves, and creative projects through helping each other out. That's another way to support is help a friend make something.Elie Katzenson:Totally. I read this newsletter, it's called The Creative Independent. I'll have to send you a link, because it's really great. They interview an artist every day, and sometimes they talk about in different art worlds there's more competition than others. Right?One of the pieces of advice that I read today was about being confident in charging for your work. People can pay for your work, and I don't know why that seems so radical to me, because it can feel so hard to say like, "No, that costs money, or that Zine is 10 bucks." You have really made something, and that's like a sacred exchange.Mira:It's hard sometimes, but I feel like the time that I'm most able to stick out for myself and my work is when people just try to take it off the table like it's free.It's the only time I'm really adamant like "No, I put a lot of blood, sweat, and tears into this." That happened at zine event that I'm tabling at. It's hard to put a price on something you've created, but sometimes it's necessary because you have to even or you have to pay your bills.Elie Katzenson:Right? I mean even beyond breaking even though, right? It shouldn't just be, I just had to pay for my materials. It's like, "No, it's okay for me to make money off of a work that I made."Jill:Totally. Yeah.Elie Katzenson:But why does it feel so hard to do that?Mira:It can be hard to do because money obviously is not like the end-all-be-all of the world, but you also need it to survive, and pay the bills. It's something I do think about is why do we not hesitate to buy a five dollar coffee, but you have a problem with buying a five dollar zine, or something like that. I don't know. Not that it's always necessarily like that, but-June:Yeah, I think it is important to keep in mind value and the effort that people put into making creative work that isn't necessarily sold in a store, and for some reason that seems more official. Okay to give money to.Mira:Both as organizers charging for space, and on the zinester side of the table, charging for these things filled with ideas. We've been conflicted with anticapitalist sentiment too. Then like charging for things.If I'm making something that's against consumerism, and then I'm charging for it, like, "Oh, what do I do? What's happening?" It's all about valuing yourself, and your ideas and-Elie Katzenson:Right. You still have to function in the environment that we were functioning in, [crosstalk]June:It's not that we like money, but-Mira:Yeah.June:Give me my moneys.Mira:Yeah, that's, yeah. Personally I feel like that's been really hard.Elie Katzenson:It's interesting to me, because the price that you're charging the zinesters is quite fair in my opinion. I think it's what, 50 bucks if you're accepted?June:No, not even that.Mira:It's less.June:That's for a double.Mira:For a half table we have a sliding scale, 20 to $40, and then if you have a full table, it's 50 to 75 I want to say. We also-Elie Katzenson:You've always employed a sliding scale?Mira:Always a sliding scale, and also if people have financial struggles, they could email us and we waive the fee.Elie Katzenson:Wow.Jill:Some zine fests are not like that. It's really nice to be able to be a part of one that is like that.Elie Katzenson:I want to talk about The Fest schedule in general. I know the Rock Paper Scissors Collective did a memorial fund, The Rheo Memorial Fund, where they were giving away grants of $100 for people to make zines.You could apply for this zine scholarship. That was really special, because again, $100 means a lot. Be it to EBABZ if they can get a table, or just being able to make 50 copies of their work.Okay. So again, reminder the East Bay Alternative Book and Zine Fest is this Saturday, December 8th it's from 11 to five at Omni Commons, 4799 Shattuck avenue. It's free to get in. No admission. All these tables you can buy zines and peruse.I know that there's some workshops happening. Can you tell me a little bit about that?Mira:We have three different workshops. They're each about an hour long. We have writing from the margins, creativity, and embodiment for artists of color with Fatima Nasir. This one sounds awesome. It's a writing workshop, meditative practices, some brainstorming, and sharing stories.Elie Katzenson:What Times that?Mira:That one is at 12 and then at 1:30 we have mixed media sticker making with Raphael Tapra the third. Sounds extremely fun. You just use a bunch of stuff and make stickers. Very DIY. That's at 1:30 until 2:30, but you can stop by. It's kind of like an in and out situation.Elie Katzenson:Awesome.Mira:Or you can say the whole time. At 3:00 we have letterpress basics with Christie Holahan, and she's gonna show how this tabletop water press works.Then everyone's going to get to make good thing. They're gonna choose a phrase, and then everyone's going to let her press that phrase.Elie Katzenson:Cool. What part of Omni are they doing those in? Do you know? Cause it's like those two big rooms, right? The entry room, and then the larger back room.Mira:It's in the entry room and it's way in the back. You'll see these big wall partition screen things.Elie Katzenson:Oh cool.Mira:It's behind the partition.Elie Katzenson:Awesome. Couldn't have asked for a better workshop description. I was reading online that you are doing something new this year. I think it's called a zine store.June:Yeah. So the zine shop is something new that we're trying out this year. Mostly in response to how we were feeling that we wanted to include as many people as possible, because there are a limited number of tables, but we do get a lot of applications.For people who either didn't get to table, or just have like one or two zines, and don't feel like they can fill a table, they actually still have time to drop off their zine at five Friday at E.M. Wolfman Downtown. It's a bookstore. The organizers will be there the whole day selling them instead of having all of those people having to table.Jill:Another thing we're trying different this year one of our organizers had this cool idea. At all these fests, it's always a person behind a table, and it is super weird. I'm sure for anyone who's been to an event like this, or a craft show before, when you're walking around, and you're like, "Do I make eye contact? Do I not make eye contact? I want to look at this stuff. But I don't want them to feel offended if I don't buy the stuff."It's this kind of tense relationship sometimes. Sometimes it's really fun and you make good connections and you have a great time. Sometimes different personalities, some people feel awkward.One of our organizers was like, "What if we move the zinesters out from behind the table." It creates a more like open layout, and visitors can kind of like file through and peruse without having to have these tense eye contact moments.The tabler will still be there, but it's off to the side, and it creates more opportunities for organic conversations.Elie Katzenson:That's interesting.Jill:Yeah it's our first year doing it. So we'll see.Elie Katzenson:Oh I'm really excited to hear that, because I'm totally used to the awkward dynamic. I just put that Mona Lisa smile on my face for like an hour.Jill:Yup. Same. It's like part of the thing.Elie Katzenson:Yeah.Jill:We still have tables like that, so you will get an opportunity to show your Mona Lisa smile. But yeah, it'll be cool.Elie Katzenson:I think sometimes I personally want to engage in conversation, but I'm conscious of taking up too much space, or maybe they need to spend time with other people and I'm scared of taking too much attention, but sounds like people are maybe more open to speaking than I think that they are. Right?Jill:Yeah. We should mention that we're only using the wheelchair accessible rooms, and it's kid friendly.June:We have the childcare room, but we do not have childcare. BYO Care. You can use the room. That's what Rebecca said. BYO Care.Elie Katzenson:It's wheelchair accessible and you can bring your kids. You can't bring your dogs.June:No.Elie Katzenson:I know. My life is not fair.Jill:You can't have it all.Mira:You really can't.June:After The Fest, there's a EBABZ after party that's happening from six o'clock to around 10 o'clock at Classic Cars West slash Hello Vegan Eats. So yeah, come through.Mira:There's going to be like 10 djs.June:I think it's going to be like six.Mira:Six to 10.June:Six to 10 djs.Elie Katzenson:If you each had kind of one last sentiment or thought to put out into the world as an EBABZ organizer, or something that you'd like to put out there for the end of this interview.June:Just every year. I'm so grateful for zine community, the applications we receive, and the care that is taken in those applications. Also my fellow organizers I'm super grateful for it, because everyone really tries their hardest. Put's a lot of effort into it. Also, yeah, I'm eternally grateful to Aura for introducing me to this community and I think of her.Jill:I went to cal, and I was super DIY, and in high school I feel I was super punk into all this stuff. Then you grow up, and you have to get a job and you have to make money. I have a mortgage now.I start to get out of touch with all my roots and this happy community and what matters in life. Coming to Zine Fest, and volunteering with Zine Fest, reminds me of all that stuff, and keeps me connected, and keeps me grounded in reality, and what's good.Mira:Sort of to echo what both of you were saying, I think organizing EBABZ has been one of the most fulfilling things I've ever done. For that I am eternally grateful to Aura for getting me involved. Also if you come to The Fest, please bring caffeine for the organizers.June:Yes.Jill:I don't drink coffee.Elie Katzenson:The East Bay Alternative Book and Zine Fest is taking place on December 8th from 11:00 AM to 5:00 PM at Omni Commons, which is located at 4799 Shaddock Avenue in Oakland. You can follow EBABZ online on Instagram at E-B-A-B-Z-I-N-E fest, or visit them at their website, EBABZfest.com. Thanks. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

What’s In This Episode: If you're like Jill, you love marketing but hate sales. If you have brands you really love though, do you trust them? And when you notice they are selling to you, what's your reaction? Are they marketing well or poorly? What's the difference? Brad thinks that when marketers are trying to convince you of something you don't really need or want, those are bad examples. But when you believe in what you sell, you want other people to believe in it with you. And when you're really good at marketing (like Apple), you can clearly craft an identity around your brand that makes people feel good.  "Offer what they need, but at a higher price." - Brad Rachael Kay Albers, founder of RKA Ink and host of Awkward Marketing, is going into her tenth year of business. She's looking to scale up and be more of the creative director for her business, but she has her hands in all aspects of everything. She needs to hire more people for her team, but she needs more money to do so. But to do the sales she needs to do, she needs to be doing less work. RAISE YOUR PRICES, RACHAEL! "Charge what you're worth." - Jill So, do you sell products or experiences? Guest: Rachael Kay Albers is the founder and creative director of RKA ink. Her sweet spot is the space where business, marketing, and design meet. She is also the host of Awkward Marketing, which blends storytelling and comedy with marketing and business advice for entrepreneurs who want to build epic, unforgettable brands online.

Top 3 Places Investors Get Stuck (CFFL 562) Transcript: Jack:                      Jack and Jill here. Jill:                          Hello. Jack:                      Welcome to the show today. In this episode, Jill and I talk about the top three places real estate investors get stuck, those bottlenecks. And they're different for everybody. Before we get into it, let's take a question posted by one of our members on the landinvestors.com online community. It's free. Jill:                          Okay. Andy asks, "I love the idea of sell before you buy. I've used Craigslist for vague ads to see how much interest there is before I buy a piece of land." Jack:                      Awesome. Jill:                          "When you get replies to the ad, how much information do you divulge? I do not want to give out the APN or address, but what if someone wants to drive out to look? Can you give them directions to land you do not own?" Jack:                      Sure. What I'd do is say, "Thanks for calling, but the property's sold. We sold it, but tell me, why ... I buy property in this area all the time. Why don't you give me your information? I'll make sure you're on a list because I constantly get properties in that area." Jill:                          Yeah. Jack:                      I used to do this before the internet. I used to do it in the classified ads. Jill:                          Yeah. Did you do it with ... Jack:                      Yeah. Jill:                          ... properties and stuff too? Jack:                      The rental property. Jill:                          Yeah, that's right. Jack:                      That's how I learned. Jill:                          How this works. Jack:                      I actually came up with this myself. I would put a fake classified ad for a rental house, and just see how many calls I would get. Off the Sunday paper, one ad. Remember that? Jill:                          Yeah. And then you're like "Well this is a good area." Jack:                      The first one I did, and I never did it again after that for rental houses. I got 140 calls. Jill:                          What does that tell you? Well I'm just going to say ... Jack:                      Massive lack of rental property in that area. Jill:                          Well here's the thing too, Andy. You'll know pretty darn quick if you have six voicemails on the first day, like well I guess I need to go buy that, and see how many more I can find. Jack:                      Exactly. Jill:                          So even if you don't get back to them or call them back, you'll know, but be, Jack said he's great. Get their information cause you know they're interested, so there's your buyers list. Jack:                      And then you can say, as far as giving them directions and stuff, you never want to mislead. You want that customer to be a customer for life, so you want to say, "No, I don't have prop ... property's sold." Here's the general area. Stop in the grocery store that's over there or whatever. Get that person to say, "Hey what's it like?" The person who's behind the counter. Jill does this all the time. She'll call local business right off of Google Earth, and ask them about, before we buy property. Just be a social butterfly about the whole thing. Jill:                          It's so funny, I know. Could you step outside and look across the street? Seriously. Jack:                      I know. Jill:                          I have done that. Jack:                      I know you have. Jill:                          They're like this is the weirdest thing on the planet, but okay. I would do that. Jack:                      And then they just fall in love with her like everyone. Jill:                          It's so funny. I have no fear. Jack:                      I know you don't.

Painful Truth About Land Investing (CFFL 550) Transcript: Jack:                      Jack Butala with Jill DeWit. Jill:                          Hi. Jack:                      Welcome to the show today. In this episode Jill and I talk about the painful truth about land investing. Jill:                          That was a long pause. Jack:                      I just do that to freak you out. Jill:                          Painful truth. Jack:                      Before we get into it, let's take a question posted by one of our members on landinvestors.com online community. It's free and hopefully we can confuse Jill more too. Jill:                          I could have got a cup of coffee at that pause. That was long. Alright Joshua asks, "In the course Jack speaks about only mailing to an owner one time, even if they own more than one property on my list. When mailing such to such an individual, does anyone change the wording and only let them know if you are interested in any of their properties? If you are still only mailing to one of the properties, will you take extra time to research which property you would be most interested in?" This is a good question. Jack:                      This is a great question. Jill:                          "And put that AP in and pricing in your offer? Or do you just go with the first property on the list when doing the data scrub? I think about sending one total offer to the individual or possibly one offer per different lot acreage." Okay that's the end of the question, I know what I would say. Jack:                      Go ahead Jill. Jill:                          So, well here's how I would cover that. For me, it's about time and efficiency. I'm not going to do any research on the properties until I know if they're even in my ballpark range. So I'm going to bother and do that. I am going to probably just pick the first one honestly and scrub the rest of them because here's why. When and if the person reaches back out to me, one of my questions I always ask is, "Is there anything else that you have?" That covers it right there. And they're going to go, "Well as a matter of fact." Like this just happened to one of our members Luke. He's like a guys got 600 acres, it was that kind of thing. Luke sent him a letter about one, and found about 600 more acres. Now they're doing a bigger deal and they're going to do all this great stuff. And that's it, that's how you do it. Luke didn't and I don't ahead of time pick the prettiest one, and I really want this one. So I'm only sending in an offer for this one. But I'll still ask about the rest of them. I don't do that much ahead of time. And two, because what if you're sending out 6,000 letters, because some of our people are at one time. Are you really going to go through and spend that much time. Just get them in the mail. Price them right, get them in the mail. What? Jack:                      You're cracking me up. Jill:                          I am. And then see who's serious and then look at it. Jack ... Jack:                      That's great advice Jill and now I'm going to tell you actually what happens in our company. Jill:                          Oh no. Oh no here it goes. That's all pretty Jill skipping along the top way. That's really not at all what we do. Jill is now so far removed. Just kidding. Jack:                      If you'd like to know what goes on in our house. Jill:                          Oh gosh. Jack:                      And in our company, check out the show Darma and Greg. It's on during the 80's or 90's, 80's right? Jill:                          I think it might've been 90's too, because I think they tried to do ... Jack:                      They live in California, she's a total hippy and her husband Greg is the corporate attorney and he just looks at her constantly going, what? Jill:                          She wants ice cream for d...

Flirt To Convert II (CFFL 538) Transcript: Jack:                      Jack Butala with Jill DeWit. Jill:                          Hey there. Jack:                      Welcome to the show today. In this episode Jill and I talk about Flirting to Convert. Two. Jill:                          Two. Where the- Jack:                      A lot of years ago we did a show called Flirt to Convert. It was really popular because, I think- Jill:                          It's just funny Jack:                      they want to hear Jill's take on flirting- Jill:                          Thanks Jack:                      to convert, let's just say. Before we get into it, let's take a question posted by one of our members on LandInvestors.com online community. It's free. Jill:                          Okay. Noam asked, "Hi Everyone. What templates do you chose to work with in order to complete a sale on terms, and where do you get them? For terms deals, I know I need a land contract, promissory note and purchase agreement (is this accurate?) I was going to use Rocket Lawyer or a similar website. Do you recommend going the Rocket Lawyer way? Do you mind sharing your own docs? Do I need to notarize my signature on any of these docs, or only does the buyer? Thank you." Jack:                      All good questions. Jill:                          All good questions. Jack:                      So, the program, the educational program that Jill and I provide on how to flip land which is on LandAcademy.com provides a library of contracts and agreements. They're examples. Jill:                          So you have all ours right there. Jack:                      Do you want to use those verbatim? No. You want to put your own twist on it, and make sure that the specific situation is reflected in there. Jill:                          Right, but the meat's there. Jack:                      Do you want to use Rocket Lawyer? Yeah, I've heard all kinds of good stuff. I've never pulled agreements down from there, but I'll tell yeah, you're doing the right thing here, asking this question on LandInvestors.com because everybody is- I mean there's people all over our group, hundreds of people that do agreements all the time so, someone's going to have a real good, up-to-date answer. We've been using the same agreements for quite some time, and it works for us. So, you're in the right hands, let's say. Jill:                          Exactly. Jack:                      If you have a question, or you want to be on the show, reach out to either one of us on LandInvestors.com. Today's topic, Flirt to Convert, at number two. This is the meat of the show. Jill, I know you have a tremendous amount of experience in sales, even right up to the last 20 seconds. Jill:                          What the heck? Jack:                      Me and the kids joke about it. If she's talking, she's selling us something. I don't even know I'm being sold something. Jill:                          Oh boy. Jack:                      She's selling me on putting her paja- Jill:                          We don't have a thing on you. I need to come up with one about you. Jack:                      She's selling me on putting my pajamas on. Jill:                          That's hilarious. Jack:                      She's selling me on what to eat for lunch today. Jill:                          No. Jack:                      When they were little. It's a compliment. Jill:                          No. Thank you. That's just called good parenting. And picking your battles. Jack:                      That's a good point. When is it sales, and when is it too sales-y, like used car salesmen, or when is it like- Jill:                          That's a good one. Jack:                      Or when is it healthy, helpful? Jill:                          Can I talk now?

5 Stages of Wealth (CFFL 533) Transcript: Jack:                      Rental neighborhoods, it works very, very well to put in the paper. Jill:                          Okay. Jack:                      To like in a newspaper, actually. Jill:                          Oh, okay. Jack:                      If you're trying to rent a house. Jill:                          Got it. Jack:                      So you can test it that way and, but even long before you even buy it, you put it right in there, and leave out a few of the details, like the APN and things like that, and just see if ... If 50 people call you to rent a house that you haven't bought yet, there's a pretty darn good chance you're gonna be okay. Jill:                          Exactly. Jack:                      Same thing with the sales in Craigslist. Jill:                          Yeah. Jack:                      You'll get an indicator real quick. If two people call you in three weeks, you want to run away. Jill:                          Right. Jack:                      Never have for sale property. Jill:                          Correct. Jack:                      If you have a question, or you want to be on the show, reach out to either one of us on landinvestors.com. Today's topic, the five stages of wealth. This is [inaudible 00:00:46] to the show. This is also a topic I wrote- Jill:                          Yeah. Jack:                      Because I don't think Jill would ever want any part of this. Jill:                          Well, I want to hear what your things are, and then I have something I want to add that what this made me think of. Jack:                      This came up because I wrote the outline the other day for a book that I'm going to release in about three months, called, "Wealth," or, "Your Wealth." I haven't titled it yet, but it's things that I wish as a young ... I'm not a young man any longer, but I wish someone would explain this to me when I was younger. Number one, here's my five, and then Jill's going to hopefully have some stuff to say, and maybe she'll debunk the whole thing. Number one, secure revenue source, i.e., get a job. All right, nothing's gonna happen unless you ... I don't care who you are, or what you are, unless you're a trust fund baby, you've got to secure an ongoing revenue source. In fact, now that I'm thinking about it, trust fund kids [crosstalk 00:01:47] have a built-in- Jill:                          Probably need it even more. Jack:                      They have a built-in revenue source, that's interest income or whatever. So, secure a revenue source, number one. Number two, remove any debt or don't accumulate, better yet, don't take on any unless it's business associated debt and you actually know how it's gonna go. Jill:                          So that's stage two. Jack:                      Number three ... The five stages, yeah. Begin to accumulate equity. There's two ways to do this, save the money, saving money from your revenue source that you have, your job. Or, number two, invest it, and turn it. Number two is how fortunes are made. Number one is how you live a lonely little life of savings. Jill:                          Yeah, right and under your mattress. Jack:                      Yeah. Number four, now you're accumulating- Jill:                          Step four, or stage four. Jack:                      Number four is, start to plan with this accumulated equity for your non-working years, or also known as, retirement. So, now you put your stock [inaudible 00:02:46] away and you're planning your exit. That's a whole stage that gets completely overlooked by the vast majority of people, even wealthy people. And finally, number five, which is my personal favorite, create a legacy revenue stream for people after you're gone. It may be in the form of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation,

How to Generate $100K per Deal (CFFL 517) Transcript: Jack:                      Jack Butala, Jill DeWitt. Jill:                          Hi there. Jack:                      Welcome to our show. In this episode, Jill and I talk about how to generate a hundred grand per deal. I feel very qualified to discuss this. Before I get into it, let's take a question posted by one of our members on landinvestors.com online community is free. Jill:                          Okay. Vlad and Nadia ask, "So, my husband and I are new members to Land Academy. I really enjoy the material in the course so far. But now that I'm actually getting starting to research which county to target, I'm getting a bit discouraged. Maybe because I hate taking risks. Or at least I'm willing to take a risk if I see some logic in my decision. I've been spending a lot of time reading the forums. I feel states like Arizona, New Mexico, California, et cetera are targeted a lot. Should I even bother with these popular states? I'm getting the feeling that there's much more competition now than even just two years ago. Maybe if it wasn't as expensive to send a mailer out, I wouldn't stress out as much and just give it a shot. I'm looking for a word of encouragement or any advice you're willing to share." Jack:                      You go first Jill. Jill:                          I didn't think it was expensive. No. So, you know what, so here's where I'm coming at this from. These are all valid, good points. I first question commitment. And I see, how do I say this - Jack:                      Waffling? Jill:                          - Yeah. And getting in her own way. Jack:                      Yep. Jill:                          So, I'm trying to think of another example of what something that in a whole different business. You know what. Every business has risks. Every business you want competition. Competition is healthy. And in the real estate world, there's a lot of competition out there. Let's be honest. That's okay. That's why you need to do it right and be efficient and be the best and have the best property at the best price. And there's nothing to think about. And that's where we are. And that's what we share. Jack:                      We have a handful of members, actually now way more than a handful, and I ask them because I talk to them regularly. They do a ton of deals. And almost all of them started with nothing. They have a little bit experience flipping houses or some other business, and it didn't work out. So, the light bulb went off. They heard this show. Or they talked to Jill or whatever. And light bulb went off over their head, and they're making six figures every month. And it's because they just get it. It sung to them. And this is clearly not singing to you. I'm trying to be nice about it actually. Jill:                          That's what I - Jack:                      It either works or it doesn't. I feel compelled to quote Dr. Phil. You know, you either get it or you don't. And if you don't, that's okay. Move on. I mean there's a lot of fish in the sea. Jill:                          Yeah. Jack:                      I'm not a big Dr. Phil fan by the way. But that is pretty damn good advice. Captain Obvious type advice. Jill:                          Exactly. Well you know, it's kind of funny. Makes me think of when I run into, we go, Nell and them will be in investor group settings. And the majority investors don't understand the whole direct mail thing. And they can't wrap their heads around it. And I tell them in there. And I'm like, "Yep." And usually my parting comments are, "Yeah, but who am I to say 15, 16,000 deals later, maybe I don't know. It's just a test." And they go, "Wait a minute." I know they think about it later. But - Jack:                      Where's the risk in sending out ... spending $500 to send out a thousand offers on houses or boats or whatever you choose.

Land Leases Feed Families for Generations (CFFL 498) Transcript: Jack: Jack Butala Jill DeWit. Jill: Hi. Jack: Welcome to our show today. This episode, Jill and I talk about land leases and how they feed families for generations. Before we get into it, let's take a question posted by one of our members. On landinvestors.com online community. It's free. Jill: Okay. Jered asked, "I could use help from my fellow Land Academy peers. My CPA just sent over her LLC's tax return for the first year in the land business. She claims we need to pay taxes on the full profit of our term's deals up front. So if we purchase the land for $2,000 and sold it for $8,000 with payments over five years, she claims the IRS is clear that we need to pay the taxes on the $6,000, the 6k profit up front. With over 25 terms deals, that adds up to way more in taxes owed than revenue generated and would quickly put us out of the land business. We showed her the IRS tax code 453," this is smart, "with the unimproved land exemption but she claims it does not apply for certain reasons. Do any of you pay income tax on just the installment income as it comes, not all up front? Has this been approved by another CPA or am I or my CPA missing something?" Jack: Jered, this is an excellent question and all week I've been saying, we choose the hard questions for a reason. I want you to promise me and I want you to send me a note at jack@landinvestors.com. Promise me that you're gonna go get a new CPA today. Jill: And that's the answer to the question? Jack: I can answer the question. I can get into this in great detail. I've gotten this question over the years. I had a former partner, Park McClusky, quite honestly who had the same problem with his tax person and he solved it by getting another one. It has to do with their- you have two choices on how you file. How you keep books. On an accrual basis and a cash basis and I'm not gonna get into it because I don't want to expose myself from a liability standpoint, but your CPA is wrong. How could you pay money that you haven't made yet? Jill: Mm-hmm (affirmative). That's what I think too 'cause what if the guy defaults on January 2? Jack: That's right. Exactly. Jill: That's not. You can't. Jack: So sometimes professional consultants like that are very, very, very academic and brainy. And they are extremely risk adverse and they have their nose in a book to the point where they don't even know what reality is. Jill: Right. Jack: A lot of professors are like that. And this person is wrong. Jill: Right. Jack: If you have a question or you want to be on the show, reach out to either one of us on landinvestors.com. Today's topic, land leases feed families for generations. I love this. Jill's got a beautiful story for us. This is the meat of the show. Jill: So we met this girl, we were at an event, where were we? I can't remember where, were we in Long Beach? I can't remember where we went. Jack: Yeah, exactly. Jill: Okay, it was a big investors group but they got all the investors from all over southern California really together. And they do this like twice a year. So I said, "Come on, Jack, let's go check it out. Let's just see who's here. See what this is all about. It's not just one group. It's all of the groups combined." Jack: I love these, I love going to these events by the way. Jill: You're being sarcastic. Jack: My answer to Jill was, "Oh my gosh, pick me. Can we go to another one of these? I love to talk to people about real estate." Jill: I know, but I drug you anyway. So that was funny. So anyway. So we arrive at this event and well it looks- well here's, this is the way Jack rolls too. So we get to the event, he's gotta eyeball it first and see if we're going in. Jack: That's right. Jill: So we're standing in line and Jack has to kind of peek in the room, do a quick little walk, check out the food and the beverage situation,

Land Leases Feed Families for Generations (CFFL 498) Transcript: Jack: Jack Butala Jill DeWit. Jill: Hi. Jack: Welcome to our show today. This episode, Jill and I talk about land leases and how they feed families for generations. Before we get into it, let's take a question posted by one of our members. On landinvestors.com online community. It's free. Jill: Okay. Jered asked, "I could use help from my fellow Land Academy peers. My CPA just sent over her LLC's tax return for the first year in the land business. She claims we need to pay taxes on the full profit of our term's deals up front. So if we purchase the land for $2,000 and sold it for $8,000 with payments over five years, she claims the IRS is clear that we need to pay the taxes on the $6,000, the 6k profit up front. With over 25 terms deals, that adds up to way more in taxes owed than revenue generated and would quickly put us out of the land business. We showed her the IRS tax code 453," this is smart, "with the unimproved land exemption but she claims it does not apply for certain reasons. Do any of you pay income tax on just the installment income as it comes, not all up front? Has this been approved by another CPA or am I or my CPA missing something?" Jack: Jered, this is an excellent question and all week I've been saying, we choose the hard questions for a reason. I want you to promise me and I want you to send me a note at jack@landinvestors.com. Promise me that you're gonna go get a new CPA today. Jill: And that's the answer to the question? Jack: I can answer the question. I can get into this in great detail. I've gotten this question over the years. I had a former partner, Park McClusky, quite honestly who had the same problem with his tax person and he solved it by getting another one. It has to do with their- you have two choices on how you file. How you keep books. On an accrual basis and a cash basis and I'm not gonna get into it because I don't want to expose myself from a liability standpoint, but your CPA is wrong. How could you pay money that you haven't made yet? Jill: Mm-hmm (affirmative). That's what I think too 'cause what if the guy defaults on January 2? Jack: That's right. Exactly. Jill: That's not. You can't. Jack: So sometimes professional consultants like that are very, very, very academic and brainy. And they are extremely risk adverse and they have their nose in a book to the point where they don't even know what reality is. Jill: Right. Jack: A lot of professors are like that. And this person is wrong. Jill: Right. Jack: If you have a question or you want to be on the show, reach out to either one of us on landinvestors.com. Today's topic, land leases feed families for generations. I love this. Jill's got a beautiful story for us. This is the meat of the show. Jill: So we met this girl, we were at an event, where were we? I can't remember where, were we in Long Beach? I can't remember where we went. Jack: Yeah, exactly. Jill: Okay, it was a big investors group but they got all the investors from all over southern California really together. And they do this like twice a year. So I said, "Come on, Jack, let's go check it out. Let's just see who's here. See what this is all about. It's not just one group. It's all of the groups combined." Jack: I love these, I love going to these events by the way. Jill: You're being sarcastic. Jack: My answer to Jill was, "Oh my gosh, pick me. Can we go to another one of these? I love to talk to people about real estate." Jill: I know, but I drug you anyway. So that was funny. So anyway. So we arrive at this event and well it looks- well here's, this is the way Jack rolls too. So we get to the event, he's gotta eyeball it first and see if we're going in. Jack: That's right. Jill: So we're standing in line and Jack has to kind of peek in the room, do a quick little walk, check out the food and the beverage situation,

What Land Buyers Really Want Jack Butala: What Land Buyers Really Want. Leave us your feedback for this podcast on iTunes and get the free ebook at landacademy.com, you don't even have to read it. Thanks for listening. Jack: Jack Butala with Jill DeWit. Jill: Hey. Jack: Welcome to our show today. This episode Jill and I talk about what land buyers really want. Jill: Can you tell me what I want, what they really really want? Sorry just thought about that. Jack: First let's take a question posted by one of our members. That was a blast from the 80s. No like the 90s that's the Spice Girls. Jill: Yeah it was. Jack: Let's take a question posted by one of our members on landacademy.com our free online community. Jill: By the way I think one of the Spice Girls lives really close to us in LA and we'll leave it at that. Jack: Really? Jill: Yeah she's married to a soccer player. Jack: Oh. Oh yeah. Jill: Yeah. Speaking of Spice Girls. It's not like I see her in the grocery store but she's there. Okay. So Chris asked, "I have purchased my first properties and the notaries have the put the signed deed to the mill to me." Yay. Jack: Awesome Chris congratulations. Jill: "I should have them in a few days. Can I start marketing the properties right now or do I need to wait until the deeds are recorded at the county office?" Oh, I like these questions. Jack: Can you answer that? Jill: Absolutely. Jack: Without putting us in prison. Jill: You're so silly. You know me so well. Of course. When the deeds are signed the ink can actually still be wet but they are signed. The property is yours Chris. Market away. You are only recording them now. You can get these deeds back and put them in your safe and then record them like later on like right when you get to sell them. Jack: Please don't do that. Jill: No I know. But I'm just saying don't do that but you could do that. Jack: Legally and philosophically one hundred percent correct and ethically correct. Jill: Right. The point is ... Jack: It just causes problems. Jill: You're having it recorded. It's signed in your hands and that's your proof that you own the property. You have it recorded so it's public knowledge. That's the key and you want the assessor to know where to send the proper tax bills. You don't want to have the old owner be still be getting the tax information when it's really now your responsibility. Jack: Yeah, see that's why. Jill: So you want to catch all that up. But the big picture is, okay now can I really go out there and put it on my website and start selling it? Do I really own it now? Is it okay for me to do that? The answer is yes and heck yeah and you better do that. That's the goal. You want to do that. You want to have it in a perfect world it might even be sold before you even have a chance to get it recorded. Jack: Good point. Jill: Because that's the goal here and that's what Jack and I do sometimes. It's great when that happens. It's nothing better than sending in two deeds to be recorded at the same time like here's the deed for when I bought it. Oh, then number two now please record this one second because here's the deed of me selling it. How cool. Jack: Now keep doing exactly what you're doing because you're headed right down the right path. eventually you're going to have a group of A list buyers like Jill and I have. I don't know there's probably ten of them maybe a little bit less. When we get a deal in when the mail comes back and we have a signed offer, what we do is actually I'll make a phone call or send an email out to one of our A list buyers whose bought property just like that in the past, and I'll say hey we've got some more. I trust you so here's the APNs, we haven't purchased them yet, we're not fending it off. They're coming in we're just about to move forward on it but I want to let you know first and see if you want to buy all the properties and I'll put you...

What Land Buyers Really Want Jack Butala: What Land Buyers Really Want. Leave us your feedback for this podcast on iTunes and get the free ebook at landacademy.com, you don't even have to read it. Thanks for listening. Jack: Jack Butala with Jill DeWit. Jill: Hey. Jack: Welcome to our show today. This episode Jill and I talk about what land buyers really want. Jill: Can you tell me what I want, what they really really want? Sorry just thought about that. Jack: First let's take a question posted by one of our members. That was a blast from the 80s. No like the 90s that's the Spice Girls. Jill: Yeah it was. Jack: Let's take a question posted by one of our members on landacademy.com our free online community. Jill: By the way I think one of the Spice Girls lives really close to us in LA and we'll leave it at that. Jack: Really? Jill: Yeah she's married to a soccer player. Jack: Oh. Oh yeah. Jill: Yeah. Speaking of Spice Girls. It's not like I see her in the grocery store but she's there. Okay. So Chris asked, "I have purchased my first properties and the notaries have the put the signed deed to the mill to me." Yay. Jack: Awesome Chris congratulations. Jill: "I should have them in a few days. Can I start marketing the properties right now or do I need to wait until the deeds are recorded at the county office?" Oh, I like these questions. Jack: Can you answer that? Jill: Absolutely. Jack: Without putting us in prison. Jill: You're so silly. You know me so well. Of course. When the deeds are signed the ink can actually still be wet but they are signed. The property is yours Chris. Market away. You are only recording them now. You can get these deeds back and put them in your safe and then record them like later on like right when you get to sell them. Jack: Please don't do that. Jill: No I know. But I'm just saying don't do that but you could do that. Jack: Legally and philosophically one hundred percent correct and ethically correct. Jill: Right. The point is ... Jack: It just causes problems. Jill: You're having it recorded. It's signed in your hands and that's your proof that you own the property. You have it recorded so it's public knowledge. That's the key and you want the assessor to know where to send the proper tax bills. You don't want to have the old owner be still be getting the tax information when it's really now your responsibility. Jack: Yeah, see that's why. Jill: So you want to catch all that up. But the big picture is, okay now can I really go out there and put it on my website and start selling it? Do I really own it now? Is it okay for me to do that? The answer is yes and heck yeah and you better do that. That's the goal. You want to do that. You want to have it in a perfect world it might even be sold before you even have a chance to get it recorded. Jack: Good point. Jill: Because that's the goal here and that's what Jack and I do sometimes. It's great when that happens. It's nothing better than sending in two deeds to be recorded at the same time like here's the deed for when I bought it. Oh, then number two now please record this one second because here's the deed of me selling it. How cool. Jack: Now keep doing exactly what you're doing because you're headed right down the right path. eventually you're going to have a group of A list buyers like Jill and I have. I don't know there's probably ten of them maybe a little bit less. When we get a deal in when the mail comes back and we have a signed offer, what we do is actually I'll make a phone call or send an email out to one of our A list buyers whose bought property just like that in the past, and I'll say hey we've got some more. I trust you so here's the APNs, we haven't purchased them yet, we're not fending it off. They're coming in we're just about to move forward on it but I want to let you know first and see if you want to buy all the properties and I'll put you...

Rick Rosenthal (Transparent, Bad Boys, Halloween II) discusses wearing multiple hats in both film and television, and the efforts of his production company, White Water Films. We talk about: Selling vs. Not Selling Scripts Bonding in Television vs. Film Producing vs. Directing in Television Working on ‘Transparent’ Script Notes and Editing for the Long Haul in Television Improvisation and Mapping Out Seasons in Television “Is this Story a Movie or a Series?” Today’s Movies and Budgets Producing vs. Directing in Film Investing in Productions and Setting Expectations Balancing Film and TV Projects Casting Big Names Building and Maintaining Relationships Quotes from the show: "You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make a duck wear a saddle. I thought that sort of summed up Hollywood well for me." “Television needs… to sort of look at the way novels are structured and layered, and [how] things are set up and developed over time. Most television hasn’t been like that.” “Your role as a producer… is to make sure that the ship doesn’t hit the rocks, or at the very least, doesn’t hit the rocks under full steam. Yet, at the same time, you have to give a certain amount of creative freedom to get dangerously close to the rocks.” “Investing in the movie business is this strange combination of buying a painting and going to Las Vegas.” “If you do good work, that’s what it’s all about. It is about good work, but it’s also about understanding the advantage of having really strong personal relationships with people.” “…If you really care bout the process, then the outcome will take care of itself. Even if it doesn’t appear to be the outcome you want, you don’t know that outcome, that loss as it were, isn’t pushing you to a greater level of process.”

Steve's Arizona GunSlinger Hot Sauce Business Failure Jack Butala: Steve's Arizona GunSlinger Hot Sauce Business Failure. Every Single month we give away a property for free. It's super simple to qualify. Two simple steps. Leave us your feedback for this podcast on iTunes and number two, get the free ebook at landacademy.com, you don't even have to read it. Thanks for listening. Jill: This is Jill DeWit for Land Academy. Welcome to our cash flow from Land Show. In this episode, Steven and I talk about 1 of his biggest failures, it hurts that I'm a gunslinger. Steven, I can't wait for our listeners to hear about this story, so they don't make the same mistakes. Steven: It hurts me, it's a bad memory. Jill: So sorry about that. Steven: I'll share it for you. Jill: I hate to put you through this, but hey, before we start the story, let's take a question from a caller. Steven: Dale, from Vancouver asks, "So really, you don't need a real estate license to do this? Can you please explain?" This is an interesting question Jill, you want to take it, or do you want me to? Jill: I want you to take this. Steven: It happens a lot. Jill: It comes up a lot. You figured this out years ago, and I like your explanation. Steven: I'll give the short answer first, and then I'll tell you why. The answer is you can do it with a license or without a license, and in that effect, there's almost no difference at all. Somewhere along the line, probably a lot of years ago, somebody planted this idea in the American public's head that you have to have a real estate license to be an investor, and nothing could be further from the truth. You don't need to have a dealer license for a car dealership to buy a car, it's the same thing, so no. Very, very, very intelligent people make this mistake. It happens weekly to Jill and I, that people are running out getting a real estate license so they can be a real estate investor. The truth of it is, this is my pain, a licensed real estate agent is kind of subject to a different liability situation, or risk situation than an unlicensed person, because theoretically a licensed real estate agent, at least on paper is more experienced and they should know better. In reality we know it's really based on experienced and that's about it, so no, you don't need a license, but here's my recommendation. Real estate is cool, in most places it's pretty inexpensive. Out here it's about 500 bucks for 2, 3 weeks of education. I always recommend going to real estate school. More education is always better in everything, not just not this. Go to school. Hey, maybe you might decide to take the exam at the end and become an agent, and decided that it's for you, but at the very least you're going to spend 3, 4, 500 dollars and get a tremendous amount of value in a real world experience and learn about stuff. Jill: It's true. Steven: Then at the end decide, so no. Jill: Well I did this way too. Steven: Jill and I are not licensed. Jill: We're not licensed, but [crosstalk 00:02:41] Steven: Nobody here is licensed. Jill: As an investor, it's you buying your own assets, you're not representing somebody else to. Steven: Right Jill. Jill: It's different when you're representing somebody else. That's where the difference is, but people somehow they ... For some reason it gets blurred, and I don't know why. Like I'm buying something for myself and my company basically. Steven: Yeah, I think the blurriness comes from ... I agree with you, it's very blurry. The blurriness comes from the fact that there's a huge machine. There's a huge economic, political machine of people that are very, very interested in having as many license reorders as possible. If they're 1 of the top 5 largest special interest groups in Washington. That's what these fees are about, and these mandatory associations. Realtors have to spend a lot of money just to be licensed,

Steve's Arizona GunSlinger Hot Sauce Business Failure Jack Butala: Steve's Arizona GunSlinger Hot Sauce Business Failure. Every Single month we give away a property for free. It's super simple to qualify. Two simple steps. Leave us your feedback for this podcast on iTunes and number two, get the free ebook at landacademy.com, you don't even have to read it. Thanks for listening. Jill: This is Jill DeWit for Land Academy. Welcome to our cash flow from Land Show. In this episode, Steven and I talk about 1 of his biggest failures, it hurts that I'm a gunslinger. Steven, I can't wait for our listeners to hear about this story, so they don't make the same mistakes. Steven: It hurts me, it's a bad memory. Jill: So sorry about that. Steven: I'll share it for you. Jill: I hate to put you through this, but hey, before we start the story, let's take a question from a caller. Steven: Dale, from Vancouver asks, "So really, you don't need a real estate license to do this? Can you please explain?" This is an interesting question Jill, you want to take it, or do you want me to? Jill: I want you to take this. Steven: It happens a lot. Jill: It comes up a lot. You figured this out years ago, and I like your explanation. Steven: I'll give the short answer first, and then I'll tell you why. The answer is you can do it with a license or without a license, and in that effect, there's almost no difference at all. Somewhere along the line, probably a lot of years ago, somebody planted this idea in the American public's head that you have to have a real estate license to be an investor, and nothing could be further from the truth. You don't need to have a dealer license for a car dealership to buy a car, it's the same thing, so no. Very, very, very intelligent people make this mistake. It happens weekly to Jill and I, that people are running out getting a real estate license so they can be a real estate investor. The truth of it is, this is my pain, a licensed real estate agent is kind of subject to a different liability situation, or risk situation than an unlicensed person, because theoretically a licensed real estate agent, at least on paper is more experienced and they should know better. In reality we know it's really based on experienced and that's about it, so no, you don't need a license, but here's my recommendation. Real estate is cool, in most places it's pretty inexpensive. Out here it's about 500 bucks for 2, 3 weeks of education. I always recommend going to real estate school. More education is always better in everything, not just not this. Go to school. Hey, maybe you might decide to take the exam at the end and become an agent, and decided that it's for you, but at the very least you're going to spend 3, 4, 500 dollars and get a tremendous amount of value in a real world experience and learn about stuff. Jill: It's true. Steven: Then at the end decide, so no. Jill: Well I did this way too. Steven: Jill and I are not licensed. Jill: We're not licensed, but [crosstalk 00:02:41] Steven: Nobody here is licensed. Jill: As an investor, it's you buying your own assets, you're not representing somebody else to. Steven: Right Jill. Jill: It's different when you're representing somebody else. That's where the difference is, but people somehow they ... For some reason it gets blurred, and I don't know why. Like I'm buying something for myself and my company basically. Steven: Yeah, I think the blurriness comes from ... I agree with you, it's very blurry. The blurriness comes from the fact that there's a huge machine. There's a huge economic, political machine of people that are very, very interested in having as many license reorders as possible. If they're 1 of the top 5 largest special interest groups in Washington. That's what these fees are about, and these mandatory associations. Realtors have to spend a lot of money just to be licensed,