10,000 Swamp Leaders

Clif and CK McKenzie come to the Swamp and talk about their generational leadership transition of Watson Furniture. They discuss their different approaches to the work, how they make decisions and how they each lead. Clif has led Watson for a great many years. He didn't start out loving office furniture. That quickly changed. He sets the high standard for the design and functionality of the Watson products. CK brings his US Naval Academy education and US Marine Corps training flying combat helicopters. They approach leading from different core influences and yet they are on the same page about how they lead people. At the core is their belief that “having the right people matters, it matters, it matters.” In our conversation, they share how they have effectively led the Watson team through a difficult post Covid period to brighter days.  LinksWatson FurnitureThanks for listening. Send me your feedbackI want to thank my great team that helps me sound better than I am. Jacki Hydock for her lending her wonderful voice to our introduction and outro Great music by Jazz Night Awesome episode production by the great team of We Edit Podcasts all the way up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Check them out at www.weeditpodcasts.com Thanks For Listening and Jumping into the Swamp

Wendy Tyner visits the Swamp to share her wisdom gained from leading philanthropic organizations and building communities. She begins our conversation sharing what she learned teaching children with learning disabilities. We then discuss how she guided three not-for-profit organizations to become significant community assets that support bluegrass music, farms and public lands. She often guided all these projects at the same time. Wendy offers up a portfolio of lessons learned and “grandmotherly (Baba)” advice for all of us. Thanks Wendy.Wendy's LinksWintergrassPodcast- One Hour to Doors- Podcasts about the business and souls of leaders in the festival and events industry- November 25,2023Friends of the FarmsSierra Ferrell Official WebsiteHome - Trust for Public LandOMC Foundation | Clallam County | Olympic Medical Center Foundation Mountains to SoundThanks for listening. Send me your feedbackI want to thank my great team that helps me sound better than I am. Jacki Hydock for her lending her wonderful voice to our introduction and outro Great music by Jazz Night Awesome episode production by the great team of We Edit Podcasts all the way up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Check them out at www.weeditpodcasts.com Thanks For Listening and Jumping into the Swamp

Aidan McQuade joins me in the Swamp to discuss his book, Ethical Leadership: Moral Decision-Making Under Pressure and his model “The Cruciform of Agency.” Aidan was born in Northern Ireland and grew up during the period known as “the troubles.” He is wiser for that experience. He has dedicated his life to humanitarian work in some of the most difficult conditions over the last twenty years. Our conversation explores his experiences leading aid organizations and the hard decisions that need to be made that affect human life.  We explore his model and how individuals can use it to locate a space of agency in the most difficult of situations. Aidan is also the author of two fiction books as well as a wonderful blog. Enjoy the insights from a man who has impacted the world for the better. Aidan LinksAidan McQuadeAidan's book: Ethical LeadershipMoral Courage in LeadershipLeadership in the “gray-zone”Service to the StateThe Undiscovered CountryThanks for listening. Send me your feedbackI want to thank my great team that helps me sound better than I am. Jacki Hydock for her lending her wonderful voice to our introduction and outro Great music by Jazz Night Awesome episode production by the great team of We Edit Podcasts all the way up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Check them out at www.weeditpodcasts.com Thanks For Listening and Jumping into the Swamp

Benjamin Taylor makes his third appearance in the Swamp and he brings some useful distinctions with him. We discuss the value and importance of understanding the positive and negative dynamics that differentiation and integration have on group dynamics and productivity. But it is not all that simple. There are at least four dynamics at play at any time in your work groups. Benjamin maps these group dynamics and shares moves that you can make to lead, manage and facilitate more effective group-work outcomes.Benjamin's LinksBenjamin Taylor LinkedIN postBenjamin Taylor's Medium Pagehttps://antlerboy.com/ Barry Oshry: Power and SystemsSandra Janoff: Future SearchSafford BeerBenjamin 10000 SwampLeaders Episode 21Benjamin Taylor 10000 SwampLeaders Episode 39Thanks for listening. Send me your feedbackI want to thank my great team that helps me sound better than I am. Jacki Hydock for her lending her wonderful voice to our introduction and outro Great music by Jazz Night Awesome episode production by the great team of We Edit Podcasts all the way up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Check them out at www.weeditpodcasts.com Thanks For Listening and Jumping into the Swamp

Joanne Murphy and Keith Grint come to the swamp to discuss their views on leadership and the effort required to do it well. Joanne and Keith are deeply informed on this topic of leading. Their academic background includes teaching, research and writing. We discuss the differences between command, management and leadership. All three approaches matter and we explore the value of each role. The state of the world calls for more people with the stamina to lead. In this episode, stamina will be supported with craft.LinksJoanne's LinksJoanne's Book: Management and War: How Organisations Navigate Conflict and Build Peace' University of Birmingham Joanne's WebsitePublic Service PodcastThe Leadership Challenge of Northern IrelandTwitter - @changeresearch10000 SwampLeaders Joanne Murphy Podcast (Episode)Keith's LinksBioLinkedInkeith.grint@wbs.ac.ukNew Blog: ILA Blog article: Care-Full Leadership: https://ilaglobalnetwork.org/care-full-leadership/ New Articles:“Closing ranks: Leadership and the mundanization of the extraordinary in military history” Leadership https://doi.org/10.1177/17427150241238811 WhatsApp to Sunak' Leadership (2024) https://doi.org/10.1177/17427150241240598  New Books:A Cartography of Resistance: Leadership, Management & Command https://global.oup.com/academic/product/a-cartography-of-resistance-9780198921745?lang=en&cc=gb  Mutiny & Leadership https://global.oup.com/academic/search?q=grint+mutiny&cc=gb&lang=en Leadership: Limits and Possibilities 2nd ed. (with Owain Smolovic Jones) https://www.bloomsbury.com/uk/leadership-9781350333130/ Thanks for listening. Send me your feedbackI want to thank my great team that helps me sound better than I am. Jacki Hydock for her lending her wonderful voice to our introduction and outro Great music by Jazz Night Awesome episode production by the great team of We Edit Podcasts all the way up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Check them out at www.weeditpodcasts.com Thanks For Listening and Jumping into the Swamp

Three Horizons: The Patterning of Hope Bill Sharpe visits the swamp and brings his Three Horizon framework for navigating the future. Bill is an independent researcher who helps people work together to create transformational change in the face of an uncertain future. Bill will explain what makes each of the three horizons distinct and necessary for addressing the future. The beauty and significance of the Three Horizon framework is the simplicity of understanding and its ease of use. Bill will explain it all and then you can get to work sorting your own Three Horizons.LinksThree Horizons book, and short video introductions by Kate Raworth and Nigel ToppingThe Three Horizons framework explained by Bill Sharpewww.h3uni.org/resource-library/ Three HorizonsFor Three Horizons resources, visit: https://futurestewards.com/3h-practice-resources/To contact the home of the Three Horizons Hub, Future Stewards, send a message via the LinkedIn pageFollow us on LinkedInThanks for listening. Send me your feedbackI want to thank my great team that helps me sound better than I am. Jacki Hydock for her lending her wonderful voice to our introduction and outro Great music by Jazz Night Awesome episode production by the great team of We Edit Podcasts all the way up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Check them out at www.weeditpodcasts.com Thanks For Listening and Jumping into the Swamp

Elvis Fraser comes to the Swamp to share his commitment to helping non-profit organizations realize greater measurable results from their social impact investments through wise monitoring, learning and evaluation strategies.He and his Sanfoka Consulting team align their strategies to advance social justice and equity in all aspects of their work. Elvis has a rich history of leading and mentoring teams around the world and he brings his wisdom to our conversation.  Elvis's LinksSanfoka ConsultingElvis LinkedInSanfoka Case Thanks for listening. Send me your feedbackI want to thank my great team that helps me sound better than I am. Jacki Hydock for her lending her wonderful voice to our introduction and outro Great music by Jazz Night Awesome episode production by the great team of We Edit Podcasts all the way up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Check them out at www.weeditpodcasts.com Thanks For Listening and Jumping into the Swamp

Eva Grosman joins me in the swamp to share how her “life factory setting” which is based on hope and courage, has guided her in building the Centre for Democracy and Peacebuilding as well as a community of peacebuilders around the world. Listen close because Eva offers a multitude of specific, actionable moves each of us can take to lead on difficult challenges. Eva's life work and impact is a model for the potency of personal agency. Eva's LinksCentre For Democracy and PeacebuildingLinkedInThanks for listening. Send me your feedbackI want to thank my great team that helps me sound better than I am. Jacki Hydock for her lending her wonderful voice to our introduction and outro Great music by Jazz Night Awesome episode production by the great team of We Edit Podcasts all the way up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Check them out at www.weeditpodcasts.com Thanks For Listening and Jumping into the Swamp

Nick Ellem comes to the Swamp to share a comprehensive exploration of Adaptive Leadership as well as his journey to teach and help people building adaptive capacity. Nick speaks directly to the reasons why many leadership development programs fall short of expectations. He then  introduces his antidote: The Leadership Learning Cycle which is built on four elements:  Academy LabPodiumTemple The leadership learning cycle offers an integrated framework for building the range of capacities people need to build leadership craft. Enjoy a fresh approach to leadership development. Nick's LinksLinkedInLeadership Learning CycleThanks for listening. Send me your feedbackI want to thank my great team that helps me sound better than I am. Jacki Hydock for her lending her wonderful voice to our introduction and outro Great music by Jazz Night Awesome episode production by the great team of We Edit Podcasts all the way up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Check them out at www.weeditpodcasts.com Thanks For Listening and Jumping into the Swamp

Joanne Murphy, Professor of Inclusive Leadership at Birmingham Business School comes to the swamp and discusses how we can lead inside volatile environments.  She brings a lifetime of lived experience on this topic.  Joanne was raised in Northern Ireland during the “troubles.” She learned first hand what is required to lead in volatile environments. Joanne is an academic, author and teacher who is committed to helping individuals and organizations build the organizational scaffolding that is essential in these troubling times. She wraps all this information inside deep passion and energy. Joanne's LinksJoanne's Book: Management and War: How Organisations Navigate Conflict and Build Peace'  Joanne's WebsitePublic Service PodcastThe Leadership Challenge of Northern IrelandTwitter - @changeresearchBirmingham University - https://www.birmingham.ac.uk/staff/profiles/business/murphy-joanne Joanne's Linkedin - www.linkedin.com/in/joanne-murphyleadershipThanks for listening. Send me your feedbackI want to thank my great team that helps me sound better than I am. Jacki Hydock for her lending her wonderful voice to our introduction and outro Great music by Jazz Night Awesome episode production by the great team of We Edit Podcasts all the way up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Check them out at www.weeditpodcasts.com Thanks For Listening and Jumping into the Swamp

Ethan Schutz, President and CEO of The Schutz Company pays a visit to the swamp and shares the history and the work that is The Human Element. Ethan takes us back to when his father, Will Schutz developed his thinking and motivation for helping people develop greater self-awareness, aliveness and candor through telling more truth. Will developed FIRO Theory which has become a fundamental philosophy that has influenced many people inside the world of organizational development. Ethan has led the organization for 15 years and he brings a deep understanding of group dynamics and how the work of the Human Element does transform shared work and relationships inside organizations.Ethan's LinksThe Human Element CompanyBCon GlobalThe Human Element StoryEthan's TEDx talk Can't You See I'm Busy Being Miserable?The Schutz CompanyEthan Schutz: Trust and the Bottom LineI want to thank my great team that helps me sound better than I am. Jacki Hydock for her lending her wonderful voice to our introduction and outro Great music by Jazz Night Awesome episode production by the great team of We Edit Podcasts all the way up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Check them out at www.weeditpodcasts.com Thanks For Listening and Jumping into the Swamp

Jill Hufnagel comes to the swamp and shares her perspective and experience helping people develop leadership capacity. Jill served as guest faculty on the Harvard Kennedy School's Art & Practice of Adaptive Leadership program and as a senior associate with Cambridge Leadership Associates, along with running her own consultancy JHC&C. In our conversation, Jill discusses the importance of having a clear purpose for leading, how to develop your leadership craft and she offers wisdom on navigating the challenges of leadingJill's Linkshttps://primacentral.org/education/prima-leadership-academy/ https://issuu.com/kansasleadershipcenter/docs/journalwinter_final_web https://www.jillhufnagel.com/blog Jill's WebsiteJill's BookJill's LinkedIn pageI want to thank my great team that helps me sound better than I am. Jacki Hydock for her lending her wonderful voice to our introduction and outro Great music by Jazz Night Awesome episode production by the great team of We Edit Podcasts all the way up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Check them out at www.weeditpodcasts.com Thanks For Listening and Jumping into the Swamp

Geoff Mead returns to the Swamp to discuss narrative leadership. Often acts of leading begin as a conversation.  A conversation that might be internal or conversations with other people. It is important for people who choose to lead, to understand how to craft and use narrative to mobilize people to take action. Geoff helps us understand how to do this work  in this episode. Geoff is the founding director of Narrative Leadership Associates, a consultancy focused on the use of storytelling for sustainable leadership. He is a master guide in the emerging field of narrative leadership and storytelling in organizations. He will share some stories and offer us guidance on how we can adapt our narrative to support the life we seek to live.Geoff's LinksPersonal Blog.  www.cominghometostory.comCentre for Narrative Leadership (not for profit) www.narrativeleadership.orgNarrative Leadership Associates (business) www.narrativeleadership.comGeoff's BooksComing Home to StoryTelling the Story: The Heart and Soul of Successful LeadershipGone in the MorningI want to thank my great team that helps me sound better than I am. Jacki Hydock for her lending her wonderful voice to our introduction and outro Great music by Jazz Night Awesome episode production by the great team of We Edit Podcasts all the way up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Check them out at www.weeditpodcasts.com Thanks For Listening and Jumping into the Swamp

Geoff Mead joins us in the Swamp to explore the significance of the stories we tell ourselves, the narratives we use to guide our life and how they shape our identity.Geoff is the founding director of Narrative Leadership Associates, a consultancy focused on the use of storytelling for sustainable leadership. He is a master guide in the emerging field of narrative leadership and storytelling in organizations. He will share some stories and offer us guidance on how we can adapt our narrative to support the life we seek to live. Geoff's LinksPersonal Blog.  www.cominghometostory.comCentre for Narrative Leadership (not for profit) www.narrativeleadership.orgNarrative Leadership Associates (business) www.narrativeleadership.comGeoff's BooksComing Home to StoryTelling the Story: The Heart and Soul of Successful LeadershipGone in the MorningI want to thank my great team that helps me sound better than I am. Jacki Hydock for her lending her wonderful voice to our introduction and outro Great music by Jazz Night Awesome episode production by the great team of We Edit Podcasts all the way up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Check them out at www.weeditpodcasts.com Thanks For Listening and Jumping into the Swamp

060_Janie Ekberg comes to the Swamp to share her stories of leading across multiple social impact projects. Her story is personal for me because she found a way to mobilize me and get me involved in Camp Siberia and in so doing, change my life and perspective on what it takes to lead without authority.  Janie has also changed the trajectory of  hundreds of other people in her community and around the world. She comes to share her stories of leading, her insights on how to foster a movement and how serving the common good turns is the best work we can experience. LinksIsland TreasureBI TheaterCamp Siberia StoryCamp Siberia YouTubeBainbridge Performing ArtsBainbridge Island Volunteer CaregiversI want to thank my great team that helps me sound better than I am. Jacki Hydock for her lending her wonderful voice to our introduction and outro Great music by Jazz Night Awesome episode production by the great team of We Edit Podcasts all the way up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Check them out at www.weeditpodcasts.com Thanks For Listening and Jumping into the Swamp

Natalie Trotta comes to the Swamp to share her decision to alter her career trajectory and lead herself in the pursuit of building a wellness community. Natalie's journey is important because she highlights that leading is always a choice and it can come from anyone and at any time. Natalie models  that leading has nothing to do with age or “life experience.” She has made a commitment to use herself to help others while she figures out the small details. Natalie understands that the next steps are revealed only when one has begun walking the path.Natalie's LinksAndiamo SubstackLinkedInI want to thank my great team that helps me sound better than I am. Jacki Hydock for her lending her wonderful voice to our introduction and outro Great music by Jazz Night Awesome episode production by the great team of We Edit Podcasts all the way up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Check them out at www.weeditpodcasts.com Thanks For Listening and Jumping into the Swamp

Maxime Fern and Michael Johnstone are at the forefront of taking Adaptive Leadership out of academia and into boardrooms and learning spaces around the world. They come to the swamp to share their great book Provocation as Leadership: A roadmap for Adaptation and Change. Maxime and Michael have been working in family and organizational systems for most of their careers. They believe provocations are both necessary and helpful to building healthy groups. We discuss what makes up useful provocation, why it matters and they provide coaching on how to begin this important work.  Our conversation just might provoke some new ideas and approaches for you in your work and life.LinksVantage Point ConsultingProvocation as Leadership bookMichael's LinkedINI want to thank my great team that helps me sound better than I am. Jacki Hydock for her lending her wonderful voice to our introduction and outro Great music by Jazz Night Awesome episode production by the great team of We Edit Podcasts all the way up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Check them out at www.weeditpodcasts.com Thanks For Listening and Jumping into the Swamp

Lianne Morgan comes to the Swamp and shares her thoughts on the value of following a mindfulness practice. Lianne is a role model for us all. She has a long history of navigating life as a corporate leader. Long enough to know when it's time to depart and how to make that transition. Today Lianne is a mindfulness coach. She offers wisdom in this episode on how to design a practice of mindfulness, the value of following that practice and how to use your body as a medium for learning and growth.Lianne's LinksLianne Morgan WebsiteI want to thank my great team that helps me sound better than I am. Jacki Hydock for her lending her wonderful voice to our introduction and outro Great music by Jazz Night Awesome episode production by the great team of We Edit Podcasts all the way up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Check them out at www.weeditpodcasts.com Thanks For Listening and Jumping into the Swamp

Ellen Schall of New York University comes to the Swamp and shares her wisdom on how to develop a leadership reflective practice. Ellen's journey began when she worked in New York City starting as a Legal Aid Society attorney. She moved to New York University in 1992 and it is still her home. She taught the Leadership course: Reflective Practice: Learning from Work. Ellen shares her thoughts on the importance of distinguishing role from self, how to develop a self-reflection practice, her definition of leading and the deep value that comes from working on the front line of public service. Ellen is a wisdom sharer. Your time listening to Ellen will deepen your capacity to use yourself to lead. But will mean you will need to develop and follow your own Reflective Leadership Practice. She will help you with that work.Ellen's LinksEllen Schall: NYU Wagner A Reflective Practitioner Journey paperLearning to Love the Swamp: Reshaping Education for Public Service paperLeadership Reflections New BookEllen Schall Experience FundEllen Schall Harvard Kennedy School CaseI want to thank my great team that helps me sound better than I am. Jacki Hydock for her lending her wonderful voice to our introduction and outro Great music by Jazz Night Awesome episode production by the great team of We Edit Podcasts all the way up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Check them out at www.weeditpodcasts.com Thanks For Listening and Jumping into the Swamp

Tracey Camilleri and Samatha Rockey come to the Swamp and bring a treasure trove of research based thinking that leverages both the art and science necessary for building successful groups. They share their recommendations from their new book: The Social Brain: The Psychology of Successful Groups. We discuss  the Dunbar Number, the value creation that comes from investing time and energy in  fostering belonging and forming bonds that lead to bigger results. Samatha and Tracey are committed optimists who are using their research and writing to help organizations today and foster better working environments for future generations.LinksTracey's LinkedInSamantha's LinkedInThompson HarrisonTheir Book: The Social BrainI want to thank my great team that helps me sound better than I am. Jacki Hydock for her lending her wonderful voice to our introduction and outro Great music by Jazz Night Awesome episode production by the great team of We Edit Podcasts all the way up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Check them out at www.weeditpodcasts.com Thanks For Listening and Jumping into the Swamp

Martin Thomas and Mick Yates, two friends I admire, come to the Swamp to share their encore stories and second acts. Both men returned to university late in their professional careers and that decision changed the trajectory of their lives, the focus of their commitments and how they have chosen to make a difference as they conjure up second acts and most likely, third and forth acts.  All of us will learn a few things about how to design a life well lived. LinksMartin ThomasLinkedInCall4ChangeMulticapital Scorecard Mick YatesLinkedInMick Yates Photography Photo|FromeI want to thank my great team that helps me sound better than I am. Jacki Hydock for her lending her wonderful voice to our introduction and outro Great music by Jazz Night Awesome episode production by the great team of We Edit Podcasts all the way up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Check them out at www.weeditpodcasts.com Thanks For Listening and Jumping into the Swamp

Episode 053_  Nick Conigrave brings to the swamp his marriage of deep leadership study with the pragmatism needed to help people build their capacity to lead for greater impact. You will hear Nick's passion for helping people as he shares the range of approaches he uses to construct leadership programmes and coaching strategies that are useful to all. Nick is a true  bricolage of leadership development.Nick's LinksLinkedIn profile6 Team ConditionsLeadership as a learning activityLeading Systems towards transformative learningI want to thank my great team that helps me sound better than I am. Jacki Hydock for her lending her wonderful voice to our introduction and outro Great music by Jazz Night Awesome episode production by the great team of We Edit Podcasts all the way up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Check them out at www.weeditpodcasts.com Thanks For Listening and Jumping into the Swamp

Episode 052_ Joanne Flinn visits the swamp to discuss how company directors can integrate the environmental, social and governance agenda inside their organization and thrive. Joanne is the Chair of ESG Institute and the author of Greensight: The Sustainability Guide for Company Directors. She discusses the challenges of the ESG agenda as well as ideas for implementation. Joanne's LinksLinkedInBookESG InstituteI want to thank my great team that helps me sound better than I am. Jacki Hydock for her lending her wonderful voice to our introduction and outro Great music by Jazz Night Awesome episode production by the great team of We Edit Podcasts all the way up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Check them out at www.weeditpodcasts.com Thanks For Listening and Jumping into the Swamp

Episode 051_ Tom Tyner comes to the swamp to share his decision to help preserve public lands for future generations. He shares his decision to leave his position as legal counsel to a global bank, move his family from San Francisco to the Seattle area and dedicate his time and expertise to secure parklands, forests, range land and wilderness for future generations. Tom's a humorist guy so he holds our interest as he shares his lessons and his wisdom on life and leading. Tommy, the trees, the habitat and all of us thank you.Tom's LinksTrust For Public LandsTom's LinkedIn ProfileI want to thank my great team that helps me sound better than I am. Jacki Hydock for her lending her wonderful voice to our introduction and outro Great music by Jazz Night Awesome episode production by the great team of We Edit Podcasts all the way up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Check them out at www.weeditpodcasts.com Thanks For Listening and Jumping into the Swamp

Anne-Fleur Goll joins me to share her story of a call to action on climate change that started small and then suddenly it was big and global. Anne-Fleur balances being a climate consultant on the Deloitte Sustainability team with her climate activism. She has learned a few things on how to create and sustain a movement as well as how to manage and balance these dual roles and take care of herself. Anne's LinksLinkedInHEC SpeechI want to thank my great team that helps me sound better than I am. Jacki Hydock for her lending her wonderful voice to our introduction and outro Great music by Jazz Night Awesome episode production by the great team of We Edit Podcasts all the way up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Check them out at www.weeditpodcasts.com Thanks For Listening and Jumping into the Swamp

Karin Zastrow comes to the Swamp and she arrives with over twenty years of first hand experience working as a leader. Our conversation starts when Karin is tasked with designing her organization's leadership development strategy. Without a budget. Immediately we come to understand that her unique combination of persistence, curiosity, and action is ideally suited for this challenge. Her hard work leads to the development of Direct Leadership. Karin details how she discovered the power of leading by doing and what it takes to master this leadership capacity. Karin has been teaching, coaching and facilitating Direct Leadership work for over 20 years. She is not resting. Just ahead are new enhancements to her approach to leading. Take a listen.Karin's Links Karin LinkedInDirect LeadershipDirect Leadership Training Information I want to thank my great team that helps me sound better than I am. Jacki Hydock for her lending her wonderful voice to our introduction and outro Great music by Jazz Night Awesome episode production by the great team of We Edit Podcasts all the way up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Check them out at www.weeditpodcasts.com Thanks For Listening and Jumping into the Swamp

Joe Badman joins me in the swamp to share his passion for working with public service individuals and teams. Joe discovered early in his career that he was quite good at helping teams collaborate and solve messy problems. Through this work, he unearthed his passion to help improve people's  lives. We all rely on our local governments to deliver high quality services.  Joe and his team help organizations build the capacity to both perform at a higher level and be more self-reliant in the process. We all win with this outcome.  Joe understands that there is magic in helping people. He would know since he is also a magician. Joe's LinksBasisLinkedInI want to thank my great team that helps me sound better than I am. Jacki Hydock for her lending her wonderful voice to our introduction and outro Great music by Jazz Night Awesome episode production by the great team of We Edit Podcasts all the way up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Check them out at www.weeditpodcasts.com Thanks For Listening and Jumping into the Swamp

Nyuon William is an accomplished lawyer and advocate for peace, gender equality and human rights. She joins us to share her journey growing up in the midst of Sudan's civil war, being raised by parents who advocated and supported her education and her development path to becoming a lawyer. Her specialization includes reforms for women's equality, as well as the youth, peace and security agenda. As a lawyer, Nyuon is a role model for women both inside her country and around the world. She uses her legal expertise in support of  the movement for equal rights and fair treatment of youth and especially young women. Nyuon's humility and gentle manor disguise a woman of great resolve and commitment to reforming her country for the common good of everyone. Nyuon is the National Director of the National Alliance of Women Lawyers (NAWL), which is dedicated to promoting and protecting the rights of women and girls.Nyuon's LinksLinkedInSeeds of Hope and ActionNational Alliance of Women LawyersI want to thank my great team that helps me sound better than I am. Jacki Hydock for her lending her wonderful voice to our introduction and outro Great music by Jazz Night Awesome episode production by the great team of We Edit Podcasts all the way up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Check them out at www.weeditpodcasts.com Thanks For Listening and Jumping into the Swamp

Jerilyn Brusseau offers evidence that one woman, with a vision to heal can change the lives of thousands of people. Her story begins with heartbreak when she learns that her brother, Dan Cheney, was shot down and killed in Vietnam just 15 days after he arrived in the country. In that moment, Jerilyn joined nearly 60,000 other American families who lost family members in a war that would last almost 20 years. Almost immediately Jerilyn understood that there were also Vietnamese families suffering equal heartache from losing loved ones. So began Peace Trees Vietnam.In our conversation, Jerilyn takes us on a good will journey from Seattle to Vietnam to heal relationships and clear over 1500 acres of more than 115,000 unexploded bombs, land mines, mortar shells and grenades and replace all that ordinance with trees of peace.But there is more. The Peace Trees Vietnam organization has facilitated the building of kindergartens, libraries and community centers. Probably more important, Jerilyn and her team have helped heal the damaged relationships between two countries through simple acts of kindness and community building. Jerilyn offers much for us to learn about what is possible when deep loss is turned into helping other people.  Peace Trees VietnamI want to thank my great team that helps me sound better than I am. Jacki Hydock for her lending her wonderful voice to our introduction and outro Great music by Jazz Night Awesome episode production by the great team of We Edit Podcasts all the way up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Check them out at www.weeditpodcasts.com Thanks For Listening and Jumping into the Swamp

Larai Diana Gwani comes to the swamp and shared the challenges and successes she has produced in her role as a government official in the Kaduna State Legislature. She has spent  her life living and working inside a patriarchal culture.  She has learned how to use herself to lead inside this difficult environment. She is fighter and advocate for gender & social inclusion as well as citizen stakeholder engagement. Larai is a mentor and role model for the next generations of women leaders emerging in Kaduna state government. She mixes compassion, truth and tough love candor to help others develop their capacity to lead themselves and other people.Larai's LinksLarai LinkedInARISEEmpowering Women for Excellence Initiative Kaduna State GovernmentI want to thank my great team that helps me sound better than I am. Jacki Hydock for her lending her wonderful voice to our introduction and outro Great music by Jazz Night Awesome episode production by the great team of We Edit Podcasts all the way up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Check them out at www.weeditpodcasts.com Thanks For Listening and Jumping into the Swamp

Deborah Jones comes to the Swamp and shares what it took to build the Community Leadership Programme and the Violence Reduction Network in Leicester, England. She describes how the commitment of Leicester's diverse network of leaders has fostered a culture of leadership practice and produced an enhanced impact that benefits their city and county. And they all seem to be having a great time supporting each other on their learning journey.Debbie's Links:Jones ConsultingLinkedInwww.violencereductionnetwork.co.uk VRN Community Leadership VideoCommunity Leadership ShowcaseJones Consulting Part 2I want to thank my great team that helps me sound better than I am. Jacki Hydock for her lending her wonderful voice to our introduction and outro Great music by Jazz Night Awesome episode production by the great team of We Edit Podcasts all the way up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Check them out at www.weeditpodcasts.com Thanks For Listening and Jumping into the Swamp

Meg Zeenat Wamithi comes to the swamp to share how the work of her organization, Mindmapper, is helping youth to learn how to take care of their bodies, minds & bank accounts, engage in meaningful relationships and take part in work experience opportunities in their local communities. Meg is candid about the mental health challenges she faced and she tells us how the network she is building plans to support young people to learn how to take care of themselves.Meg's Links:Meg's Speaker PageMindmapperLinkedInWomen of Influence UKI want to thank my great team that helps me sound better than I am. Jacki Hydock for her lending her wonderful voice to our introduction and outro Great music by Jazz Night Awesome episode production by the great team of We Edit Podcasts all the way up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Check them out at www.weeditpodcasts.com Thanks For Listening and Jumping into the Swamp

Cecile Demailly comes to the Swamp to share insights from her book “The Middle Manager's Survival Guide.” Cecile spent almost twenty years as one of those “middles” in global organizations. She brings her lessons learned from that world and adds fifteen years of experience helping the middle manager community as a consultant. Her ideas are practical, accessible and can be used for managing in the business world and as well as the world of life, family and community. Cecile's LinksCecile's BookCecile's LinkedIn I want to thank my great team that helps me sound better than I am. Jacki Hydock for her lending her wonderful voice to our introduction and outro Great music by Jazz Night Awesome episode production by the great team of We Edit Podcasts all the way up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Check them out at www.weeditpodcasts.com Thanks For Listening and Jumping into the Swamp

Episode 039  Irwin Turbitt comes to the swamp to share his complex and life altering journey from being a police commander in Northern Ireland to teaching and building leadership capacity at the Harvard Kennedy School and Oxford/Said Business school. Irwin had earned his teaching and consulting credentials the “harder way". He began on the streets of Northern Ireland by working on the century-old challenges for a peacefully resolve to the religious strife inside his country.His personal leadership challenges plus his willingness to ask harder questions lead him to university to studying leadership in greater depth. There he discovered a new way to address hard, wicked problems through helping people close the “knowing-doing gap” by building more skill and leadership craft.Irwin offers us experienced based ideas and opinions on what it takes to lead in this swampy world. We all can benefit from his experiences.  Irwin's LinksIrwin's LinkedInPolicing The Drumcree Demonstrations (a paper)I want to thank my great team that helps me sound better than I am. Jacki Hydock for her lending her wonderful voice to our introduction and outro Great music by Jazz Night Awesome episode production by the great team of We Edit Podcasts all the way up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Check them out at www.weeditpodcasts.com Thanks For Listening and Jumping into the Swamp

040 Anne Gibbon joins me to share how her father, the United States Naval Academy and her intuition all conspired to form the leader that she is today. Anne was both the 2007 Heavyweight National Amateur Boxing Championships and a Second-Team All-American rower, and was  inducted into the Academy Athletic Hall of Fame.  That was just the beginning of her leadership journey. We discuss her thoughts on Ethical leadership, the importance of emotional self-regulation and using power for good.Today Anne is the co-founder of Matri, Inc. which helps critical decision-makers consume more information, intuitively, and faster, to make billion dollar decisions from previously invisible data. As you will learn, she senses this work has become her life's work and that she is in it for the long haul. Given Anne's track record, I suspect she is on the path to changing the world for the better. Anne's LinksMatri, Inc.Anne's LinkedInAnne BoxingI want to thank my great team that helps me sound better than I am. Jacki Hydock for her lending her wonderful voice to our introduction and outro Great music by Jazz Night Awesome episode production by the great team of We Edit Podcasts all the way up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Check them out at www.weeditpodcasts.com Thanks For Listening and Jumping into the Swamp

040_ Benjamin TaylorBenjamin Taylor, RedQuadrant founder, returns to the Swamp for an enlightening conversation on two topics:The Problem with Adaptive LeadershipThe Problem with Consulting I asked Benjamin to return to the podcast (listen here to Episode #021) because he has clear and strong thinking on both adaptive leadership and the world of consulting.Adaptive leadership is a bit of a mainstay in my consulting work and since I am a consultant, it was hard to resist discussing these two juicy Medium pieces. I respect Benjamin's deep thinking on these topics so I suspected he would bring some grounding and provocative perspectives. He did all of that and more. Enjoy his critical thinking and his experience based point of view.Benjamin's LinksRedquadrant ToolshedBenjamin's BlogBenjamin's Medium PageBarry OshryChris Argyris: Productive ReasoningPeter Block and Peter Koestenbaum: Confronting Our FreedomPeter Block: Six ConversationsDonald Schon quote Ed Schein Podcast EpisodeTop Tips For Consulting 'The Force'Being In The MiddleThe Terrible Dance of PowerRobust SystemsLimits to method/swampy lowlandsI want to thank my great team that helps me sound better than I am. Jacki Hydock for her lending her wonderful voice to our introduction and outro Great music by Jazz Night Awesome episode production by the great team of We Edit Podcasts all the way up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Check them out at www.weeditpodcasts.com Thanks For Listening and Jumping into the Swamp

Eka Gigauri comes to the swamp to share her twenty year trek to establish transparency, accountability and social integrity in her country of Georgia. Her story begins with the Rose Revolution in Georgia in 2003 when the country separated from the Soviet Union. Today Eka is the Executive Director of Transparency International's county office in Georgia. She leads a team committed to rooting out systems and networks of corruption inside her beloved country. Eka shares her thoughts and approach to being courageous and supporting her team while sticking with the fundamental work of building a Georgia for the common good. Eka's LinksTransparency InternationalTransparency International/GeorgiaEka's LinkedInI want to thank my great team that helps me sound better than I am. Jacki Hydock for her lending her wonderful voice to our introduction and outro Great music by Jazz Night Awesome episode production by the great team of We Edit Podcasts all the way up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Check them out at www.weeditpodcasts.com Thanks For Listening and Jumping into the Swamp

Julia Fabris McBride is the Interim President and CEO as well as the Chief Leadership Development Officer of Kansas Leadership Center. She is co-author with Ed O'Malley of the recently published book “When Everyone Leads”The Kansas Leadership Center (KLC) is a one of a kind, non-profit organization committed to fostering leadership for stronger, healthier and more prosperous Kansas communities and around the world. Julia shares what she has learned about developing adaptive leadership capacity in the state of Kansas and beyond. Why civic leadership is important and what can happen when individuals marry the choice to lead with the capacity to to mobilize communities. Julia's books can be found through these links:When Everyone Leads (Bard Press, January 2023) Teaching Leadership: Case-in-Point, Case Teaching, and Coaching. I want to thank my great team that helps me sound better than I am. Jacki Hydock for her lending her wonderful voice to our introduction and outro Great music by Jazz Night Awesome episode production by the great team of We Edit Podcasts all the way up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Check them out at www.weeditpodcasts.com Thanks For Listening and Jumping into the Swamp

Rachel Musson comes to the Swamp to discuss how her organization, ThoughtBox Education, is reimagining education for kids around the world. Their work is helping students develop the relevant skills to create and sustain a thriving world. She shares the Triple Wellbeing Culture model that focuses on care for self, others and the world. We discuss the value of being a Tempered Radical and how to act like one. The work of reimagining education is complex and messy. Rachel and her team practice Active Patience to keep it all moving. We could all benefit from some active patience.Rachel's Linkswww.rachelmusson79.com www.thoughtboxeducation.comLeadership course!www.thoughtboxeducation.com/be-moreLinkedinOur ‘patrons' page: www.thoughtboxeducation.com/patronsA few resources / books / people mentioned:Active Hope – Chris Johnstone & Joanna MacyThe More Beautiful World – Charles EisensteinBayo AkomolafeRebecca Solnit – George Orwell's RosesSchooling the World (a really recommended 1hr documentary which I may or may not have mentioned!)Tempered RadicalsI want to thank my great team that helps me sound better than I am. Jacki Hydock for her lending her wonderful voice to our introduction and outro Great music by Jazz Night Awesome episode production by the great team of We Edit Podcasts all the way up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Check them out at www.weeditpodcasts.com Thanks For Listening and Jumping into the Swamp

Kit Lykketoft is the Director of Conventions at Wonderful Copenhagen. The official tourism organization of the Capital Region of Copenhagen. Her work is attracting and convening international association conferences to the city while designing a sustainable agenda for attendees. Finding this balance is the challenge of leading. Kit brings a strategist and change maker mindset to proactively use research and future trends to design steps she and her team can take today that support the conference community and the wellbeing of the planet. Kitt's Links:Wonderful Copenhagenhttps://www.wonderfulcopenhagen.com/wonderful-copenhagen/wonderful-copenhagen Best Cities: https://www.bestcities.net/about-us/meet-the-best-cities-team/Interview https://kongres-magazine.eu/2021/11/kit-lykketoft-sustainability-has-become-part-of-copenhagens-dna/ Kitt on Youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdVeGzcrV1oI want to thank my great team that helps me sound better than I am. Jacki Hydock for her lending her wonderful voice to our introduction and outro Great music by Jazz Night Awesome episode production by the great team of We Edit Podcasts all the way up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Check them out at www.weeditpodcasts.com Thanks For Listening and Jumping into the Swamp

034 Kush Doshi jumps into the Swamp to share his views on leading inside a community health system. He brings his passion for advancing health efforts for communities of color and mobilizing health equity by addressing the social determinants of health within communities. But he doesn't stop here. He is also an advocate for equity, inclusion, and diversity within the workforce so that reflects the population it serves. I want to thank my great team that helps me sound better than I am. Jacki Hydock for her lending her wonderful voice to our introduction and outro Great music by Jazz Night Awesome episode production by the great team of We Edit Podcasts all the way up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Check them out at www.weeditpodcasts.com Thanks For Listening and Jumping into the Swamp

033_Larisa Halilovic jumps into the Swamp to share her deep wisdom on leading and building teams. Her leadership journey began when she escaped her war torn country, became a refugee and learned how to adapt and thrive in a new country. Larisa has over twenty years of experience leading teams in the United Kingdom, Bosnia and Herzegovina and Serbia. She has made it her personal mission to introduce and support mentorship programmes for women around the world. Larisa is a glowing source of energy, infectious and deeply wise. Her ideas will help us all lead just a touch better. Larisa Links:LinkedINTedX TalksEmotional Intelligence in an Artificial WorldLarisa Halilović: Core Values - Your Inner CompassI want to thank my great team that helps me sound better than I am. Jacki Hydock for her lending her wonderful voice to our introduction and outro Great music by Jazz Night Awesome episode production by the great team of We Edit Podcasts all the way up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Check them out at www.weeditpodcasts.com Thanks For Listening and Jumping into the Swamp

032_Kurt O'Brien, friend, thought partner and leadership teacher comes to the Swamp to share his insights on how to teach leadership. Kurt brings 22+ years of experience helping emerging leaders in healthcare build their craft of leading. He shares what gives him hope for the future and reflects on the importance of balancing classroom learning with real world experiments.Kurt Links:Kurt's websiteKurt's BookI want to thank my great team that helps me sound better than I am. Jacki Hydock for her lending her wonderful voice to our introduction and outro Great music by Jazz Night Awesome episode production by the great team of We Edit Podcasts all the way up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Check them out at www.weeditpodcasts.com Thanks For Listening and Jumping into the Swamp

031_ Leen Gorissen: Biologist and founder of Center4NI takes us on a journey to reconnect us with our own Natural Intelligence. She asserts that the difficult conditions of our planet call for us to focus more on developing our Natural Intelligence than seeking artificial solutions. Leen shares the Story of Wolves. A remarkable regenerative example that demonstrates how nature provides all of us with the ways and means to restore health to planet earth. Leen is providing grounding for hope for our future if we are willing to use ourselves as agents of change. Leen's LinksWebsiteBook: Building the future of InnovationCompany Website Centre4NIBook website: Book VideoTed TalkI want to thank my great team that helps me sound better than I am. Jacki Hydock for her lending her wonderful voice to our introduction and outro Great music by Jazz Night Awesome episode production by the great team of We Edit Podcasts all the way up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Check them out at www.weeditpodcasts.com Thanks For Listening and Jumping into the Swamp

030 _  Judy Rees shares how simple questions, sharp listening and exploring metaphors can access fresh ideas, improved strategies and sharper actions for addressing challenges and accessing more human potential.LinksReesMcCannBooks by JudyJudy Rees' EbookClean Language: Revealing Metaphors and Opening MindsThe Five Minute Coach Buzzing Online Workshops I want to thank my great team that helps me sound better than I am. Jacki Hydock for her lending her wonderful voice to our introduction and outro Great music by Jazz Night Awesome episode production by the great team of We Edit Podcasts all the way up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Check them out at www.weeditpodcasts.com Thanks For Listening and Jumping into the Swamp

029_ Guillaume Wiatr joins us in the swamp to explore the power of strategic narratives and why building one is an act of leadership. We will explore the difference between stories and narrative and how to use them both inside your team or organization to mobilize change. Guillaume will also talk about External Discipline and External Freedom and how to cultivate both through a reflective practice. Guillaume's website: MetahelmI want to thank my great team that helps me sound better than I am. Jacki Hydock for her lending her wonderful voice to our introduction and outro Great music by Jazz Night Awesome episode production by the great team of We Edit Podcasts all the way up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Check them out at www.weeditpodcasts.com Thanks For Listening and Jumping into the Swamp

Terry Rogers has been a practicing physician for over 56 years. He was the director of respiratory and  critical care at Seattle Swedish Hospital,  served  a Senior Medical Officer and  CEO for King County Blue Shield.  He was also CEO of the Foundation for Healthcare Quality in Seattle.  He retired as Medical Director of Lakeside-Milam Recovery Centers and still sees patients on a weekly basis. Terry has given his life to the good health of other people. Terry is also the author of Faces of Recovery,  a remarkable book that features before and after photos of patients who have been in a 28 day residential treatment program.  The visual alteration that occurs during treatment is stunning. Terry's photography provides these people with self-evidence that they can live a healthy life. In our conversation, Terry talks candidly about the corrosive effects of alcohol and drugs, his own experiences and the power that art and photography can have in how we see ourselves and what we can achieve.You can find Terry's book: Faces of Recovery via the links belowhttp://terryrogersphotography.comFood For Thought Piecehttps://readframes.com/food-for-thought-faces-of-recovery-by-terry-rogers/https://www.blurb.com/b/11051952-faces-of-recovery  I want to thank my great team that helps me sound better than I am. Jacki Hydock for her lending her wonderful voice to our introduction and outro Great music by Jazz Night Awesome episode production by the great team of We Edit Podcasts all the way up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Check them out at www.weeditpodcasts.com Thanks For Listening and Jumping into the Swamp

027_ Lea Ranalder is a committed advocate for building more sustainable cities. Her work with UN-Habitat is focused on developing more renewable energy resources that mitigate climate change in our greatest urban hubs. Cities are both the heartbeat of countries and vulnerable collectives that impact millions of lives everyday. Lea brings her years of experience and passion to facilitate the hard work helping cities, local government and stakeholders work together for the good of the commons.I want to thank my great team that helps me sound better than I am. Jacki Hydock for her lending her wonderful voice to our introduction and outro Great music by Jazz Night Awesome episode production by the great team of We Edit Podcasts all the way up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Check them out at www.weeditpodcasts.com Thanks For Listening and Jumping into the Swamp

026_John Scherer: Facing The Tiger John Scherer brings a lifetime of developing leaders around the world to the swamp. He shares what is possible when we face our tigers and the five deep questions we must answer to understand our purpose and power. As John says: “You don't need to CHANGE yourself. You need to COME HOME to yourself. This changes EVERYTHING.”  John also shares how he mobilized a leadership movement in Poland. Enjoy a conversation with a man of great passion and joy and discover as he exhibits his own passion and purpose. Links:https://scherercenter.com/I want to thank my great team that helps me sound better than I am. Jacki Hydock for her lending her wonderful voice to our introduction and outro Great music by Jazz Night Awesome episode production by the great team of We Edit Podcasts all the way up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Check them out at www.weeditpodcasts.com Thanks For Listening and Jumping into the Swamp

025_Jole Berlage-Buccellati discusses the potential Highly Sensitive People bring to the world and the workplace. Jole's coaching mission is to support the empowerment of highly-sensitive and highly-gifted people to self-actualize, embrace their sensuality, their talents, their power and their unique gifts. The four capacity building themes that guide her work are resilience, adaptability, joy and authenticity. All of us can benefit from understanding and leveraging these themes for growth in both our life and our work. Jole helps us understand how we can do that work.I want to thank my great team that helps me sound better than I am. Jacki Hydock for her lending her wonderful voice to our introduction and outro Great music by Jazz Night Awesome episode production by the great team of We Edit Podcasts all the way up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Check them out at www.weeditpodcasts.com Thanks For Listening and Jumping into the Swamp

024_Annika Torseth: Community Impact Through Second Chances. Jails are often the end of the road for many people. For a few, a jail is a place where a second chance might emerge. Annika Torseth, a forensic case manager joins the podcast and shares what she has learned about how to hold difficult conversations, building a trusting relationship and how to design a re-entry system that will support a better life on the outside. I want to thank my great team that helps me sound better than I am. Jacki Hydock for her lending her wonderful voice to our introduction and outro Great music by Jazz Night Awesome episode production by the great team of We Edit Podcasts all the way up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Check them out at www.weeditpodcasts.com Thanks For Listening and Jumping into the Swamp