Podcasts about adaptive leadership

Learn how breaking out of your comfort zone and embracing new perspectives can transform your leadership and help dismantle bias in your church.Tod Bolsinger and Markus Watson discuss this quote from Erin Devers in Ep. 282, The Cost of Bias in the Church:“One of the strategies for reducing bias is to go bigger, to widen your perspective.”THIS EPISODE'S HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE:People tend to hold onto their biases because they find comfort and safety in the familiar.Leaders confuse discomfort with genuine danger, which prevents them from widening their perspectives.Leaders can intentionally broaden their outlook by seeking out diverse voices and saying yes to experiences that feel scary.Leaders maintain vibrancy and effectiveness by practicing humility and curiosity rather than clinging to expertise.Interacting with people from different backgrounds energizes leaders and equips them to lead change more confidently.Send me a text! I'd love to know what you're thinking!Click HERE to get my FREE online course, BECOMING LEADERS OF SHALOM.

Season 2 of On the Balcony begins by looking sideways — exploring the frameworks that stretch Adaptive Leadership into new terrain.In this first episode, Michael Koehler sits down with Dr. Lisa Lahey, co-author of Immunity to Change, faculty at the Harvard University Graduate School of Education and co-founder of Minds at Work. Lisa's work on adult development has profoundly shaped how we understand leadership — not as a set of skills to acquire, but as an internal capacity to grow.The conversation explores a question many of us wrestle with: Why do we resist the very changes we say we want?Lisa's answer: competing commitments and big assumptions. We're not just resisting change. We're protecting something we care deeply about — even when we don't realize it.This episode gets personal. Lisa coaches Michael through his own immunity to change around pushing his colleagues to use more AI. What emerges is a powerful demonstration of how our internal "immune system" keeps us safe — and stuck.What You'll Explore in This Episode:The shift from socialized to self-authoring mindHow we move from looking outside ourselves for approval to authoring our own values and commitments — and why this developmental shift matters for leadership.The Immunity to Change frameworkA practical, four-column exercise that uncovers the hidden commitments and big assumptions creating resistance to change.A live coaching sessionLisa walks Michael through the process in real time, revealing how deeply protective mechanisms work — and how to begin testing the assumptions that hold us back.How adult development and Adaptive Leadership are relatedBoth frameworks help us face complexity, hold competing commitments, and grow through challenge rather than around it.The influence of Chris ArgyrisHow Argyris's work on organizational learning shaped both Lisa's thinking and the broader field of developmental leadership.The power of the pauseA reflection on pausing not as a luxury, but as an act of deep responsibility to ourselves and the world.Quotes from This Episode:"You can grow your capacity to experience the world in different ways. And that difference keeps enabling you to hold greater complexity, take more perspectives, and handle greater ambiguity."— Dr. Lisa Lahey"There is a next place in development where you no longer are subject to meeting everybody's expectations of you. Instead, you get to be the author of your own expectations — grounded in your own sense of who you are and what you value."— Dr. Lisa Lahey"You have an aspiration to grow. You want to develop some capacity. And yet at the very same time, unbeknownst to you, you've got a whole inner curriculum actively working to protect yourself."— Dr. Lisa Lahey"The immunity to change process invites us to consider: we don't just have worries. We actually have a part of us actively committed to making sure those worries don't come true."— Dr. Lisa Lahey"It is not a luxury to pause. It is an act of deep responsibility to ourselves and the world."— Tara Brach (shared by Dr. Lisa Lahey)Links & Resources:Immunity to Change by Robert Kegan and Lisa Laskow Laheyhttps://www.amazon.com/Immunity-Change-Overcome-Unlock-Organization/dp/1422117367Minds at Work

Public health is at a crossroads. In this episode, Lillian Shirley and Itta Johnson from Public Consulting Group discuss how adaptive leadership can help rebuild trust, strengthen community partnerships, and drive meaningful change across systems. Drawing from real-world initiatives they share practical insights on leading with empathy, collaboration, and purpose in today's complex public health landscape.

In this episode, Jessie Cruickshank sits down with her friend and fellow leader Tracy Matthews for a rich, grounding conversation on what it means to cultivate spiritual attunement in life and leadership. Tracy shares vivid imagery God gave her during prayer—living water seeping into dry, cracked places—and invites us into a way of leading that begins not with planning and striving, but with presence, receptivity, and alignment with God's heart. Together, Jessie and Tracy explore the difference between self-driven leadership and Spirit-led wayfinding, how teams can discern God's guidance together, why shared power and co-regulation matter for emotional and spiritual health, and how slowing down can open us to wisdom we've been missing. They talk courage, disappointment, group culture, and the surprising freedom that comes when we release our grip on the plan and follow the Spirit's gentle nudge instead. This is a practical and deeply encouraging conversation for anyone longing to hear God more clearly and lead with greater peace, courage, and connection.ORDER Jessie's newest book, Ordinary Discipleship: How God Wires Us for the Adventure of Transformation → https://a.co/d/51j86DGFor more great stuff, check out: Ordinary Discipleship by Whoology: https://whoology.coFollow us on social media:https://instagram.com/ordinarydiscipleshiphttps://facebook.com/ordinarydiscipleshipFollow Jessie on social media:Instagram: https://instagram.com/yourbrainbyjessFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/jessica.s.cruickshank/Twitter: https://twitter.com/yourbrainbyjess ORDER Jessie's newest book, Ordinary Discipleship: How God Wires Us for the Adventure of Transformation → https://a.co/d/51j86DGFor more great stuff, check out: Ordinary Discipleship by Whoology: https://whoology.coFollow us on social media:https://instagram.com/ordinarydiscipleshiphttps://facebook.com/ordinarydiscipleshipFollow Jessie on social media:Instagram: https://instagram.com/yourbrainbyjessFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/jessica.s.cruickshank/Twitter: https://twitter.com/yourbrainbyjessJessie Cruickshank is a disciple-maker, wilderness guide, and ordained minister. She has trained thousands of people how to survive when their life depended on it and earned a Master's degree in experiential education at Harvard to learn how the brain works to help people train more effectively.The key to discipleship is not more information, but learning how to create intentional environments where people can learn and grow. By working with the brain and treating individuals as whole persons, you too can discover how God wired our brains for transformation. You already have all the tools you need, it is time to activate them in you and your church.

Jews for Jesus helps Jewish people come to know Jesus, the Jewish Messiah. What's fascinating is how Jews for Jesus has not only remained committed to that mission of sharing the hope of the Jewish Messiah, but has also adapted as the world around it has changed. As ministry leaders, we face the tension between time-honored tradition and the need for fresh approaches—and the story of Jews for Jesus offers some compelling lessons in adaptive leadership.In this episode, Aaron Abramson, CEO of Jews for Jesus and author of Mission Design, shares how Jews for Jesus has reimagined its strategies for sharing the gospel, as well as how leaders can cultivate a posture of learning and flexibility without compromising core convictions.  THIS EPISODE'S HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE:Jews for Jesus began as a movement to share the gospel with Jewish people, focusing on presenting the message in accessible and relevant ways.Aaron Abramson clarifies that believing in Jesus as the Messiah does not require abandoning Jewish identity.The earliest followers of Jesus were Jewish, and the concept of Gentiles joining Jesus was initially controversial in the early church.Markus Watson asks Aaron Abramson to share his own journey of faith and what led him to believe in Jesus as the Messiah.Religious and cultural barriers often make it challenging for Jewish people to consider faith in Jesus.Jews for Jesus historically used bold street evangelism, including handing out creative broadsides and literature on college campuses.Aaron Abramson observes that the primary strategy for evangelism shifted as cultural contexts and modes of communication changed.The rise of digital communication made traditional street evangelism less effective for connecting with Jewish people.Aaron Abramson describes pivoting to a process of empathetic listening and learning from the communities he was trying to reach.Teams at Jews for Jesus began to adopt audience-centric communication, tailoring their approach for different Jewish communities and subgroups.Aaron Abramson explains the development of new outreach models, such as setting up coffee shops and arts ministries as relational spaces.Ministry teams use design thinking, prototyping, and iteration to refine new strategies and measure their impact.Changing methodologies and staying adaptive allow Jews for Jesus to remain effective in reaching diverse Jewish audiences.Markus Watson highlights the importance of continually learning and adapting, affirming that keeping a posture of learning leads to meaningful change.RELEVANT RESOURCES AND LINKS:Jews for Jesus website“So Be It” Youtube channelBooks mentioned:Mission Design, by Aaron AbramasonCenter Church, by Tim KellerRelated episodes:187: Tackling Adaptive Challenges in Church Leadership, with Angie Ward264: Building a Future-Focused Church, with Kara Powell, Jake Mulder, and Raymond ChSend me a text! I'd love to know what you're thinking!Get Becoming Leaders of Shalom for free HERE.Click HERE to get my FREE online course, BECOMING LEADERS OF SHALOM.

Explore how real transformation in spiritual leadership begins with listening deeply to your community and letting curiosity—not certainty—shape your mission.Tod Bolsinger and Markus Watson discuss this quote from Shannon Kiser in Ep. 280, Empowering Leaders for Creative Mission:“Fresh expressions always start with listening and being attentive to who God is putting on your heart.”THIS EPISODE'S HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE:Leaders cultivate fresh expressions of church by listening deeply to their communities.Adaptive leadership emerges when leaders prioritize curiosity about people over quick solutions.Experiments in ministry prompt learning rather than simply measuring success or failure.New missional creativity grows out of attentive relationships, not just innovative ideas.Leaders empower others by embracing humility and care before offering expertise or vision.Send me a text! I'd love to know what you're thinking!Click HERE to get my FREE online course, BECOMING LEADERS OF SHALOM.

What if the best leadership isn't about having the answers, but about asking the questions that draw out wisdom, connection, and creativity from those around us? What if the most transformational moments in ministry happen not when we speak—but when we invite others to share, reflect, and dream with us?In this episode, J.R. Briggs, author of The Art of Asking Better Questions discusses how asking great questions can open new possibilities for ministry leaders and lead to healthier, more effective leadership—for ourselves and our churches.THIS EPISODE'S HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE:JR Briggs describes how questions neurologically "hijack" our brains, engaging us much more deeply than simple information does.Questions foster both clarity and engagement, enabling deeper connection and creativity between people.JR Briggs identifies several cultural obstacles to asking questions, including conversational narcissism, a lack of curiosity, and the fear of awkwardness.Healthy questions play a crucial role in building connection and trust, especially in an age marked by loneliness.JR Briggs attributes his passion for asking questions to observing his father's genuine curiosity and care for others.The quality of your life depends on the quality of questions you ask yourself, God, and others.Deliberate practice, such as collecting good questions and “gaming” conversations, strengthens one's ability to ask better questions.JR Briggs outlines four levels of questions: information, interaction, understanding, and transformation, each deepening relational impact.JR Briggs encourages leaders to move beyond transactional questions and pursue transformational conversations grounded in trust.Curiosity, wisdom, humility, and courage are essential virtues for asking effective questions.Markus Watson notes that leading with questions, rather than only answers, builds stronger relationships and trust as a pastor.Great leaders amplify others and cultivate deep curiosity, according to JR Briggs's research and coaching experience.Questions create space for spiritual direction, hospitality, and genuine pastoral care within ministries.Slowing down and asking questions in tense moments, instead of having knee-jerk reactions, can lead to greater understanding and connection.Jesus used questions extensively—over 300 in the New Testament—to provoke thought, deepen engagement, and transform lives.RELEVANT RESOURCES AND LINKS:Kairos PartnershipsBooks mentioned:The Art of Asking Better Questions, by J.R. BriggsCanoeing the Mountains, by Tod BolsingerRelated episodes:Episode 240: Leading with Wisdom from Above, with Uli ChiEpisode 270: Evangelism as Consolation, with Andrew RootEpisode 278: Preaching in Today's Post-Christian World, with Mark GlanvilleSend me a text! I'd love to know what you're thinking!Get Becoming Leaders of Shalom for free HERE.Click HERE to get my FREE online course, BECOMING LEADERS OF SHALOM.

Discover why leading in today's church means listening deeply to people's questions, griefs, and dreams—before ever stepping into the pulpit.Tod Bolsinger and Markus Watson discuss this quote from Mark Glanville in Ep. 278, Preaching in Today's Post-Christian World:"People are walking to church now, not with the Bible under their arm, but with complex and genuine questions, with hopes, with dreams, with griefs on their heart, sometimes with a complex relationship with the Bible itself.”THIS EPISODE'S HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE:Church leaders face the complexity of guiding people who bring diverse backgrounds, questions, hopes, dreams, and griefs.Pastoral leaders prioritize listening to the congregation before offering teaching or guidance.Leaders shape sermons and leadership approaches by engaging deeply with people's real-life experiences and struggles.Adaptive leadership requires creating community among people who differ in their spiritual journeys and relationships with scripture.Effective preaching and leadership begin with meaningful relationships and conversations, not just expertise or information delivery.Send me a text! I'd love to know what you're thinking!Click HERE to get my FREE online course, BECOMING LEADERS OF SHALOM.

Dr. Sonia A. Matthew, NBCTDr. Sonia Matthew, the 2025 Maryland's National Outstanding Assistant Principal of the Year recognized by both the Maryland Association of Elementary School Principals (MAESP) and the National Association of Elementary School Principals (NAESP), brings 27 years of experience in public education. Her career spans roles as a teacher, reading specialist, Talented and Gifted (TAG) coordinator, and assistant principal at both the middle and elementary levels in Texas and Maryland. Dr. Matthew believes in the power of reflection as the highest form of learning to deepen her practice. In 2012, she was appointed as a master teacher for MSDE (Maryland State Department of Education). She was recently appointed to the MSDE Superintendent's Principal Advisory Council, informing the Maryland State Superintendent on critical issues in school leadership, and to the PLAC-Professional Learning Advisory Council, guiding national professional learning for NAESP. Her leadership, informed by training in Adaptive Leadership and certifications in Social Emotional Learning (SEL) and Adult Wellness, is dedicated to promoting equity and access for all young people, particularly in urban school communities. This commitment is evident in her creation of innovative youth mentoring initiatives, which thrive within schools and through her non-profit organization, Imaginate, Inc., founded on the principle that "if you can imagine greatness, you can achieve it." Dr. Matthew is an Executive Board Member of MAESP, serving as Co-Chair of the Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion Committee. As a National Board-Certified Teacher (NBCT) since 2017, she trains NBCT candidates, across the state of Maryland for the Maryland State Education Association (MSEA). Dr. Matthew is married for 25 years to an amazing and supportive retired Sergeant Major in the U.S Army and is a proud mother of three awesome children, ages 16 to 21. ______________________________________________________________________ The Edupreneur: Your Blueprint To Jumpstart And Scale Your Education BusinessYou've spent years in the classroom, leading PD, designing curriculum, and transforming how students learn. Now, it's time to leverage that experience and build something for yourself. The Edupreneur isn't just another book; it's the playbook for educators who want to take their knowledge beyond the school walls and into a thriving business.I wrote this book because I've been where you are. I know what it's like to have the skills, the passion, and the drive but not know where to start. I break it all down: the mindset shifts, the business models, the pricing strategies, and the branding moves that will help you position yourself as a leader in this space.Inside, you'll learn how to:✅ Turn your expertise into income streams, without feeling like a sellout✅ Build a personal brand that commands respect (and top dollar)✅ Market your work in a way that feels natural and impactful✅ Navigate the business side of edupreneurship, from pricing to partnershipsWhether you want to consult, create courses, write books, or launch a podcast, this book will help you get there. Stop waiting for permission. Start building your own table.Grab your copy today and take control of your future.Buy it from EduMatch Publishing https://edumatch-publishing.myshopify.com/collections/new-releases/products/the-edupreneur-by-dr-will

In today's ever-changing world of leadership, we've come to grips that leading by experience, tendencies, and feelings is no longer enough. Too often, leaders rely on what they've always done, how they naturally respond, or what simply “feels right” in the moment. But true leadership requires something deeper, intentional adaptation. This episode dives into the rise of Adaptive Leadership, a model that challenges coaches and leaders to grow beyond instinct and evolve with the people and circumstances around them. We explore how developing your Intelligence Quotient (IQ), Emotional Quotient (EQ), and Learning Quotient (LQ) can transform the way you connect, communicate, and create lasting impact. Join us as we unpack how great leaders move from reaction to reflection, and from comfort to conscious change.

Struggling with costs in your healthcare organization? Reach out to Michael.  Click Here for more info In this episode, we unpack key findings from Gartner's Q4 2025 Report, revealing how adaptive leadership is redefining success in today's volatile workplace. From the collapse of annual planning cycles to the rise of “strategy sprints” and AI-driven decision support, leaders are being challenged to stay agile without burning out their teams. We share insights on: Why continuous adaptation now outperforms rigid long-term plans How AI can enhance, not replace, human judgment The role of psychological safety in resilient organizations Practical ways to embed adaptability into daily leadership Discover how to lead with calm focus amid chaos — and why adaptive leadership is the essential skill for 2026 and beyond. Read the full article: Adaptive Leadership in a Volatile World More insights at BreakfastLeadership.com/blog  

In this episode, Dr. Torben Noerby—CEO of People & Performance, author of The Contextual Leader, and creator of the Contextual Leadership AI Bot (CLAI)—explores how leaders can adapt to their organizational context to drive performance, accountability, and collaboration.Discover how contextual leadership helps shape culture and strengthen inclusivity, and learn how AI can become a powerful ally in navigating modern leadership challenges. Packed with practical insights and fresh perspectives, this conversation invites leaders to experiment, adapt, and lead with purpose.

Mission functions as a powerful organizing principle in market-based ecosystems. Faisal Hoque, a three-time Deloitte Fast 50 winner and transformation partner to DoD and CACI, reveals how architecting purpose into systematic structures creates a gravitational pull, drawing diverse actors into a coordinated flow. Key insight: exemplary architecture doesn't constrain innovation - it releases latent organizational potential into directed motion.Faisal Hoque, founder of SHADOKA and bestselling author of ten books, including Transcend and forthcoming Reimagining Government, has transformed Mastercard, GE, DoD, DHS, and IBM. His framework shows how leaders architect purpose into systems, generating gravitational force across agencies, partners, and collaborators.Paradigm Shifts:

As ministry leaders, we often imagine that building trust is the ultimate goal—once we have it, the road to transformation should be clear. But what happens when trust alone isn't enough? The truth is, trust is only the starting point. Moving beyond it requires us to invest our trust in ways that actually make change possible, even when it means taking risks and facing loss together.In this episode, Tod Bolsinger, author of Invest in Transformation: Quit Relying on Trust, shares why trust is essential but insufficient for transformative leadership, how we can begin to discern our congregation's unique calling, and what it takes to wisely invest trust as we guide people through the challenges of adaptive change.THIS EPISODE'S HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE:Tod Bolsinger asserts that there is no transformation without trust.Leadership requires energizing a community toward its own transformation for the sake of a shared mission.People will not trust a leader to guide them through difficult change if they don't trust them with current, familiar responsibilities.Leaders build trust through both trustworthy character and technical competence.Relational congruence means consistently showing up as the same person in all relationships, reinforcing trust.Even leaders of good character need to be experienced by others as trustworthy in daily interactions.Technical competence in areas such as scripture, soul care, and organizational skills is non-negotiable for pastoral leaders.Trust is the bank account that leaders must invest (and spend) when leading adaptive or transformational change.When transformation is pursued, trust levels may decrease as change creates uncertainty and resistance.Tod Bolsinger notes that maintaining trust means not squandering it on trivial matters, but instead strategically investing it in real transformation.The process of transformation begins with clarifying a congregation's unique charism—its distinctive gift to the broader community.Charism emerges from actual values and stories, not from aspirational wish lists or debates about what a church “should” be.Discerning a congregation's charism requires telling stories about the times they were most proud of the church.Identifying a congregation's charism is followed by asking how it can address the pain points of the community, thus connecting internal giftedness with external needs.Transformation always involves loss, and truly adaptive change means some may leave, but new vibrancy and alignment with mission can develop as a result.RELEVANT RESOURCES AND LINKS:Church Leadership InstituteBooks mentioned:Invest in Transformation: Quit Relying on Trust, by Tod BolsingerRelated episodes:230. The Power of an 8-word Mission Statement, with Tod Bolsinger264. Building a Future-Focused Church, with Kara Powell, Jake Mulder, and Raymond Chang272. Beyond Church Revitalization, with Josh HaydenSend me a text! I'd love to know what you're thinking!Get Becoming Leaders of Shalom for free HERE.Click HERE to get my FREE online course, BECOMING LEADERS OF SHALOM.

In this week's episode of the Do Good to Lead Well podcast, I had the pleasure of speaking with Lindsay Dodd, the CEO of Cashco Financial, for an enlightening conversation about how to build an award-winning culture. He reveals how purpose and profitability can successfully coexist, emphasizing a people-first mindset that champions dignity, trust, and empowerment. His insights showcase how Cashco Financial has consistently earned recognition as one of Alberta's best workplaces for five consecutive years. We explore leadership not as a set of inherent qualities, but as learned behaviors such as courage, confidence, empathy, and resilience, drawing from frameworks that advocate for modeling the way and inspiring a shared vision.Our discussion delves into the true meaning of authentic leadership, defining it as a consistent commitment to building trust by aligning our actions with our values and beliefs. Lindsay illustrates how genuine vulnerability, coupled with an openness to feedback and a commitment to inclusive workplaces, strengthens bonds and fosters collaboration. We explore practical strategies for navigating challenging peer interactions, stressing the importance of curiosity and addressing issues directly yet calmly. Additionally, Lindsay shares CashCo's unique cultural practices, from hiring based on empathy to an “upside-down triangle” leadership model that prioritizes frontline staff, reinforcing values through daily core value stories.As we look to the future, the conversation addresses the complexities of leading in a polarized society and the rapid evolution of artificial intelligence. Lindsay offers advice on finding common ground amidst differing opinions and encourages leaders to engage with new technologies, learning and playing with them to discover new opportunities while managing risks. This episode offers practical wisdom for building successful, values-driven organizations and preparing for tomorrow's challenges.What You'll Learn- Leadership is a learned behavior- How authenticity builds trust- Go beyond superficial values. Identify operating values that show “how we do things around here”- Empathy drives performance and engagement- Hire for growth, always- Embrace AI with curiosityPodcast Timestamps(00:00) – Lessons in Leadership(07:02) – Authentic Leadership & Trust(12:38) – Vulnerability in Leadership(16:11) – Bringing Culture & Values to Life(20:28) – Leading in a Polarized World(25:38) – Operationalizing Core Values(35:35) – The Power of Empathy(40:29) – Leveraging Strengths, Building Teams(46:21) – Founder Advice: Hire Great People(49:21) – Navigating the AI Revolution(54:54) – Courageous Leadership: The Penguin PrincipleKEYWORDSPositive Leadership, Purpose-driven Leadership, Organizational Culture, Authentic Leadership, Building Trust, Employee Engagement, Core Values, Vulnerability in Leadership, Curiosity, Managing Conflict, Values Alignment, Future of Work, Artificial Intelligence, Empathy, Navigating Polarization, Adaptive Leadership, CEO Success

Learn how transformational leaders can unlock real change by listening deeply to their neighborhoods—before making big plans for the future.Tod Bolsinger and Markus Watson discuss this quote from Josh Hayden in Ep. 272, Beyond Church Revitalization."Remissioning leaders have to do the steady work of exegeting the neighborhood, and doing the exegesis work of the church before they make big plans about what success or flourishing looks like for our church or our neighbors."THIS EPISODE'S HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE:Remissioning leaders exegete both their neighborhoods and their churches before making big plans for success or flourishing.Leaders develop a deep understanding of their community by listening, observing, and engaging with the local context.Churches resist imposing ideas by prioritizing understanding over assumptions when entering a neighborhood.Teams uncover the unique strengths and pain points of their neighborhoods by spending devoted time within them.Faith communities help neighborhoods flourish when they build connections and respond to local needs in the name of Jesus.Send me a text! I'd love to know what you're thinking!Click HERE to get my FREE online course, BECOMING LEADERS OF SHALOM.

Why is it that so many ministry leaders—people called to reflect Christ's love—so often end up burned out, disillusioned, or driven by power and platform instead of humility and service? It's heartbreaking when church leadership doesn't “smell like the gospel,” and instead resembles the very systems of profit and self-promotion it should prophetically resist.In this episode, Jason Jensen, Vice President of Spiritual Foundations for InterVarsity Christian Fellowship and author of Formed to Lead, unpacks what true spiritual formation for leaders looks like, how to hold humility and faith in tension, and how suffering and the wilderness can become gifts in our ministry.THIS EPISODE'S HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE:Jason Jensen observes that much leadership in the church fails to reflect the gospel and often focuses on power, platform, or profit.Large numbers of Christian leaders experience burnout or moral, character, or spiritual failure, leading to disillusionment among younger generations.Jason Jensen asserts that the Gospel of Luke presents a radically different, subversive vision of leadership, centering the vulnerable and overlooked.Leadership in God's kingdom includes all people, from parents to presidents, and turns conventional power dynamics upside down.Christian leadership requires holding together the paradox of tender humility and bold faith.Jason Jensen describes the spiritual formation of a leader as a lifelong, iterative process marked by failure, repentance, and receiving the love of God.Embracing wilderness seasons—times of pain, failure, or dryness—is essential for spiritual growth and character development.Markus Watson invites Jason Jensen to share from personal experience how suffering shaped his faith and leadership, prompting stories of transformation after injury and failure.Experiencing grief, loss, and mistakes can be some of the most formative experiences for a leader's development and empathy.Depth and authenticity in leadership are formed by embracing—not bypassing—suffering and wilderness experiences.Jason Jensen highlights Steve Hayner's example of leadership, specifically his ability to listen well, include others, and help others feel loved and safe.Steve Hayner practiced “expansive discourse” and adaptive leadership, carrying pain with others and facilitating mutual learning rather than judgment.Sustainable organizational change requires time, patience, and leaders who bring everyone to the table and foster shared purpose.Offering one's life—and even one's death—as a gift to God and others represents the culmination of a spiritual journey, embodying humility, sacrifice, and openness.RELEVANT RESOURCES AND LINKS:Jason Jensen:formedtolead.comInstagramXFacebookBooks mentioned:Formed to Lead, by Jason JensenRelated episodes:244. Finding Strength in Desperation, with Mandy SmithSend me a text! I'd love to know what you're thinking!Get Becoming Leaders of Shalom for free HERE.Click HERE to get my FREE online course, BECOMING LEADERS OF SHALOM.

Today, I'm joined by Claudia Owad, Director at Growth Coaching International. With over 30 years of experience across education, corporate, government and not-for-profit sectors, Claudia is a Master Practitioner with EMCC Global and has served on the board of the International Coaching Federation Australasia. A former school counsellor, Claudia is passionate about helping people flourish through the integration of Coaching and Positive Psychology. She has worked with leaders, teachers, students and parents to create thriving learning environments, and continues to influence the field through her leadership, training and international speaking. In this episode, we'll explore her journey, insights into leadership and wellbeing, and the role of coaching in shaping education.

Discover why real transformation happens when leaders have the courage to journey with people into their sorrow and bring the hope of Christ to the places of deepest pain.Tod Bolsinger and Markus Watson discuss this quote from Andrew Root in Ep. 270, Evangelism as Consolation:"What we really need, what people yearn for, is someone who will journey with them into their sorrow and to proclaim and witness to a Jesus Christ who is present in sorrow."THIS EPISODE'S HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE:Leaders embody the gospel by journeying with people into their pain and sorrow.Churches bring transformation by listening to and addressing the pain of their neighbors.Faithful leadership means grieving alongside others while holding on to hope.Evangelism becomes good news when we accompany others in their sorrow, not just share inspiring visions.Congregations foster trust and transformation by walking with people through loss and change.Send me a text! I'd love to know what you're thinking!Click HERE to get my FREE online course, BECOMING LEADERS OF SHALOM.

In this episode of Acta Non Verba, host Marcus Aurelius Anderson interviews Mark McGrath, a Marine, strategic advisor, and author. Together, they explore the philosophy of "actions, not words," discuss the impact of technology and AI on orientation and decision-making, and dive deep into the teachings of John Boyd and Marshall McLuhan. The conversation covers adaptation, information warfare, and the importance of continuous learning and reorientation in a rapidly changing world. Episode Highlights: [15:53] — The role of AI and technology in enhancing human orientation and decision-making. [11:04] — The "Five T Protocol" for analyzing information warfare: terrain, target, tone, trope, and tactics. [27:39] — Lessons on adaptation, energy, and continuous movement from military and business perspectives. Mark McGrath is a Marine, strategic advisor, and author of "The World of Reorientation." He is the co-host of the "No Way Out" podcast and serves as Chief Learning Officer at AGLX. Mark is known for bringing John Boyd’s strategic philosophy to life, helping leaders navigate uncertainty with sharper observations, stronger orientations, and decisive, adaptive actions. He is also the creator of the "Contra Frame" Substack, where he explores experimental ideas on strategy and orientation. Contact Info & Links: Substack: The World of Reorientation Substack: Contra Frame Podcast: No Way Out AGLX: com Twitter/X: @markmcgrathcio LinkedIn: Mark McGrath Learn more about the gift of Adversity and my mission to help my fellow humans create a better world by heading to www.marcusaureliusanderson.com. There you can take action by joining my ANV inner circle to get exclusive content and information.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The COVID-19 crisis pushed churches to reimagine everything from Sunday worship to committee meetings, often thrusting them onto unfamiliar digital ground. Navigating livestreams, Zoom calls, and online communion, ministry leaders have had to ask: What does it mean to truly be the body of Christ in a hybrid or even fully online world?In this episode, Michael Huerter, author of The Hybrid Congregation, talks about the theological and practical implications of digital ministry, how technology is shaping Christian community today, and what it looks like to do incarnational ministry in a time when “embodiment” often includes both physical and digital presence.THIS EPISODE'S HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE:Michael Huerter identifies the technological revolution as a challenge that forces churches to quickly adapt, especially accelerated by the COVID-19 pandemic.Churches adapted rapidly to online worship out of necessity, often improvising by streaming or recording services for the first time.Michael Huerter describes the struggle of clergy to reflect theologically about worship changes while managing weekly ministry demands.The shift to online ministry required pastors to find new ways to foster belonging and community amid isolation.Integrating online technology into church life raises theological questions but can also expand accessibility and connection.Michael Huerter explains that congregations faced difficult questions around sacraments, like communion, during virtual services and responded differently based on tradition.Worship communities discovered that virtual meetings, such as board meetings and Bible studies, created new conveniences and altered expectations for gathering together.Online ministry allows for broader participation, particularly for those unable to attend in person due to distance, weather, or health.Michael Huerter discusses the tension between the benefits of hybrid models and the losses in personal connection that come from shifting meetings and worship online.Participating in both physical and online ministry offers unique strengths and limitations in forming authentic community.The theological call to be incarnational does not require rejecting technology; rather, ministry can thoughtfully incorporate digital tools as part of discipleship.Michael Huerter pushes back against the idea that digital practices conflict with incarnational theology, highlighting historical uses of technology in church growth.Passive participation in online worship, such as listening to music or liturgy, still engages the body and spirit and remains spiritually meaningful.Michael Huerter urges pastors to approach technology with a people-first mindset, focusing on community needs rather than pursuing reach or production value for its own sake.Discernment, curiosity, and pastoral care are key for churches navigating ongoing technological changes and competing values in ministry.RELEVANT RESOURCES AND LINKS:Books mentioned:The Hybrid Congregation, by Michael Huerter131: Spiritual Leadership in the Digital Space, with Laura MurraySend me a text! I'd love to know what you're thinking!Get Becoming Leaders of Shalom for free HERE.Click HERE to get my FREE online course, BECOMING LEADERS OF SHALOM.

Discover how stepping into discomfort and crossing borders—literal and metaphorical—can transform you and your leadership in ways you never imagined.Tod Bolsinger and Markus Watson discuss this quote from Seth Clark in Ep. 268, Borderless Faith:“Somehow there is this thing happening at the border that I get to participate in, that is making a difference and reminding people of God's love and hopefully drawing them into God's love in a new way.”THIS EPISODE'S HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE:Leaders grow when they lean into uncomfortable situations outside their comfort zones.People foster change by entering new spaces with curiosity and a learner's mindset.Resistance offers leaders the opportunity to ask what others are trying to protect.Leaders build relationships when they come alongside those who push back.Ministry participants rediscover God's love by engaging in boundary-crossing work.Send me a text! I'd love to know what you're thinking!Click HERE to get my FREE online course, BECOMING LEADERS OF SHALOM.

In this episode of the Two Piers Podcast, host Erica D'Eramo welcomes back Dr. Anthony Luévanos, leadership strategist and organizational development expert, for a powerful conversation on adaptive leadership and resilience.Dr. Luévanos shares why resilience is more than just “toughing it out, "it's about adaptability, self-awareness, and the ability to inspire teams through uncertainty. Together, Erica and Dr. Luévanos explore how leaders can embrace vulnerability, foster two-way communication, and build organizations that can bend without breaking.Key themes include:The true definition of resilience in leadership—beyond grit and endurance.Common misconceptions that hold leaders back from being adaptive.How gender dynamics shape resilience in male-dominated workplaces.The role of emotional intelligence and vulnerability in resilient leadership.Lessons from extreme conditions, including the Stockdale Paradox and Viktor Frankl's work.Why self-care and community are critical to avoiding burnout.Whether you're leading a team, an organization, or yourself through change, this episode offers actionable insights on cultivating resilience that lasts.

This episode features an inspiring conversation between public health visionaries Dr. Charlotte Huntley and Dr. Marissa Levine, delving into the evolving landscape of public health leadership. Centered around the concept of regenerative leadership, the discussion explores how adaptive, systems-thinking approaches are transforming both individuals and organizations to better serve communities amid ongoing complexity. With decades of leadership experience, from serving as Virginia's State Health Commissioner to advancing work in academia, Dr. Levine offers practical strategies to strengthen emotional intelligence, collaborative cultures, and sustainable change in public and community health. Whether for aspiring leaders, health professionals, or anyone passionate about social impact, this episode offers rich insights and practical tools to nurture resilience and adaptability in today's challenging environment.  

Send me a text! I'd love to know what you're thinking!Ministry can stir up all kinds of feelings, especially when we're dealing with conflict, with grief, with change. And the better we understand what's happening beneath the surface, the better we can lead ourselves—and our people—more thoughtfully and more effectively.In this episode, I'm speaking with Dr. Audrey Davidheiser, a licensed psychologist and the author of Grieving Wholeheartedly. Audrey helps us understand something called Internal Family Systems—IFS—a powerful way of thinking about our inner world and all those “parts” of us that can get in the way of effective leadership.THIS EPISODE'S HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE:Audrey Davidheiser explains what drew her to Internal Family Systems (IFS) therapy.Internal Family Systems is a psychological model that views people as having multiple internal "parts."Parts of yourself often express themselves in day-to-day decisions, sometimes even in conflict with each other.Markus Watson clarifies that having "parts" is different from dissociative identity disorder or multiple personalities.Audrey Davidheiser explains the difference between parts in IFS and the rigid, unaware system found in Dissociative Identity Disorder.Internal Family Systems builds on the foundation of family systems theory, adapting it to the internal world.Inside everyone are parts that take on different roles, often formed in response to significant experiences, such as trauma or relational wounds.Markus Watson illustrates the concept with the example of feeling different internal responses to everyday situations like going to a late-night movie.Every person has both helpful and challenging internal parts, such as critics, achievers, or comfort-seekers, and these parts influence behavior.Audrey Davidheiser introduces three types of parts in IFS: exiles (hurt parts), managers (protective parts), and firefighters (distracting/soothing parts).Parts are not inherently bad; even when their actions are destructive, they are typically trying to protect us or relieve pain.Markus Watson inquires about the relationship between sin and IFS, prompting Audrey Davidheiser to articulate how parts can miss the mark despite good intentions.Pastors can benefit from understanding their own internal parts, especially when reacting to challenging questions or situations in ministry.Audrey Davidheiser suggests the practice of being "unblended"—letting the true Self, rather than an emotional part, lead when responding to others.Leaders who operate from their "Self" (instead of from a part) can foster healthier responses and guide their communities through change with greater empathy and wisdom.RELEVANT RESOURCES AND LINKS:Audrey DavidheiserAim For Breakthrough websiteBooks mentioned:Grieving Wholeheartedly, by Audrey DavidheiserRelated Episodes:262: From Fired to Flourishing, with Chuck DeGroat254: Endless Expectations and Emotional ExhaustionGet Becoming Leaders of Shalom for free HERE.Click HERE to get my FREE online course, BECOMING LEADERS OF SHALOM.

Send me a text! I'd love to know what you're thinking!Learn how keeping “the main thing the main thing” can transform your church's mission, focus your decisions, and unite your community as one body in Christ.Tod Bolsinger and Markus Watson discuss this quote from Terry A. Smith in Ep. 266, The Church as Shalom Maker:"I work so hard to make sure that we keep the main thing the main thing, that we don't get caught up in things that keep us from who we are supposed to be as one body in Christ."THIS EPISODE'S HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE:Leaders clarify the main purpose by engaging in candid conversations about mission.Churches discern their mission by identifying who they are called to reach and impact.Teams make decisions more effectively when their mission and values are clearly defined.Leaders recognize that clarity about core values prepares organizations for necessary change.Focusing on the main thing helps communities avoid distractions from their calling as one body in Christ.Click HERE to get my FREE online course, BECOMING LEADERS OF SHALOM.

Send me a text! I'd love to know what you're thinking!Bias isn't always about the big, obvious issues. Sometimes it shows up in the subtle, everyday moments—like who we compliment, who we listen to, and how we respond to change. It's part of being human, but as leaders, it's our calling to become aware of those biases so we can lead with greater humility and clarity.In this episode, Erin Devers, author of The Unbiased Self, shares the science behind bias, why it's so hard to see in ourselves, and how anchoring our identity in Christ creates the freedom to lead—and live—in a much healthier and more effective way.THIS EPISODE'S HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE:Bias is anything that prevents people from seeing reality accurately, not just issues of race or gender.Erin Devers describes a "cute" experiment where giving compliments—even insincerely—boosts happiness for both giver and receiver.People underestimate how enjoyable giving and receiving compliments will be, which shows a bias against social engagement.Erin Devers highlights that everyone has biases, and recognizing them is foundational to personal and spiritual growth.People have a "bias blind spot," making it much easier to see others' biases than their own.Erin Devers emphasizes Jesus' teaching about removing the plank from one's own eye as a reference to addressing personal bias.Self-esteem plays a major role in bias, as people spin stories to feel good about themselves, sometimes at the expense of accuracy.Attempts to feel right and to feel good about oneself are two core sources of bias in human thinking.Markus Watson connects the discussion to everyday church life, pointing out how bias impacts how pastors perceive congregants.Erin Devers explains that a secure identity as a child of God and sinner saved by grace allows Christians to pursue accuracy rather than always needing to be right.Rooting identity in something secure—whether faith-based or intrinsic human value—helps people approach disagreement with less defensiveness.Broadening perspective, such as considering larger life questions or relational values, helps reduce bias in emotionally charged situations.Erin Devers discusses the difference between fast thinking (quick, automatic judgments) and slow thinking (deliberate, reflective thought) and how both relate to bias.Habit formation and intentional practices like reducing social media can create space for deeper connection, reflection, and less biased engagement within communities.Markus Watson addresses how pastors identify which congregants will support or resist change, revealing how bias shapes leadership decisions.Erin Devers encourages church leaders to acknowledge the collective bias toward doing what is easiest when leading change, while grounding stability in God's presence.RELEVANT RESOURCES AND LINKS:Erin Devers, Indiana Wesleyan UniversityBooks mentioned:The Unbiased Self, by Erin DeversRelated episodes:252. Navigating the Pain of Being Othered, with Jenai AumanGet Becoming Leaders of Shalom for free HERE.Click HERE to get my FREE online course, BECOMING LEADERS OF SHALOM.

Send me a text! I'd love to know what you're thinking!Learn how small, daring experiments from the edges can spark meaningful change in your church—without sending everyone into panic mode.Tod Bolsinger and Markus Watson discuss this quote from Raymond Chang in Ep. 164, Building a Future-Focused Church."We recommend that people consider additional, and smaller experiments from the edges that are likely to move the congregation in the direction that it needs to go without being too disruptive."THIS EPISODE'S HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE:Leaders move congregations forward by initiating small experiments rather than launching large, disruptive initiatives.Congregations learn and adapt best when leaders guide them through a series of modest, incremental changes.Leaders invite trust and participation when they approach change as co-learners rather than as experts.Experimenting at the margins allows churches to discover real community needs before making significant shifts.Genuine experiments help congregations clarify their direction by focusing on questions and learning rather than predetermined outcomes.Click HERE to get my FREE online course, BECOMING LEADERS OF SHALOM.

Send me a text! I'd love to know what you're thinking!What do you do when the tried-and-true ways of doing church just aren't working anymore? When everything you once relied on—Sunday services, eye-catching signage, the best coffee in the foyer—still leaves your church feeling disconnected from your community?In this episode, Shannon Kiser, author of Opening Space: A Vision for Fresh Expressions of Church and Creative Mission, shares about what “fresh expressions” of church means, why the old attractional models are no longer enough, and how ministry leaders can begin to reimagine church for a spiritually curious but institutionally wary world.THIS EPISODE'S HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE:Markus Watson shares statistics that reveal most American churches are plateaued or declining, and the majority of major denominations are aging.Shannon Kiser urges church leaders to rethink how they engage with a spiritually curious culture that may be wary of traditional church settings.Many people possess spiritual curiosity even if they are hesitant or unwilling to attend church gatherings.Markus Watson describes how even the physical space of a church building can feel intimidating and unfamiliar to outsiders.Shannon Kiser explains that Fresh Expressions seeks to equip leaders to start new forms of Christian community tailored to their local context.Fresh Expressions focuses on innovative gatherings—like dinner churches, hiking groups, or park meetups—rather than just worship services.Markus Watson asks Shannon Kiser to define Fresh Expressions and how they originated from creative responses to declining church attendance in the UK.Shannon Kiser describes Fresh Expressions as new forms of church that often look very different from traditional Sunday morning gatherings.Healthy churches should diversify their ministry approaches and embrace what Shannon Kiser calls a "blended ecology."Focusing solely on Sunday attendance and budgets is unlikely to reverse church decline.Markus Watson highlights the impact stories from the church's outreach—such as coffee shops and lunch ministries—can have on the congregation's spiritual vitality.Congregations can raise their spiritual temperature and feel more alive by engaging in mission outside their traditional gatherings.Shannon Kiser recommends listening to the community and beginning with simple, small experiments that fit the church's context and resources.Forming Fresh Expressions requires different types of people: pioneers who connect and lead, permission givers who open doors, and supporters who help behind the scenes.RELEVANT RESOURCES AND LINKS:Fresh Expressions websiteBooks mentioned:Opening Space, by Shannon KiserRelated episodes:177. Exploring New Forms of Church, with Shannon Kiser264. Building a Future-Focused church, with Kara Powell, Jake Mulder, and Raymond Chang272. Beyond Church Revitalization, with Josh HaydenGet Becoming Leaders of Shalom for free HERE.Click HERE to get my FREE online course, BECOMING LEADERS OF SHALOM.

Rev. Dr. Tod Bolsinger joins Kara and Matt to talk about adaptive leadership. Tod believes that congregational leaders can learn to engage in change practices that will relieve pressure and revitalize congregations. Resources AE Sloan Leadership, Inc. (organization) Canoeing the Mountains: Christian Leadership in Uncharted Territory by Tod Bolsinger (book) "Ronald Heifetz: The Nature of Adaptive Leadership" from Faith & Leadership (9 min video) Allyd (organization)

Too often, educational change is approached with a top-down, impersonal strategy—especially in virtual settings. Leaders are handed new tools, frameworks, and mandates but given little space for reflection, values alignment, or the flexibility needed to make change stick. The result? Burnout, survival mode, and disjointed systems that don't serve students or educators.In this episode, Dr. Tovah Sheldon—school design strategist at Michigan Virtual and leader of the Leadership Coaching for Innovation initiative—unpacks how true transformation begins with the adults in the system. With warmth, insight, and a deep coaching mindset, she guides us through what it really means to center leadership development around the human experience. From redefining change through “rugged flexibility” and allostasis, to bridging the gap between personal and organizational values, Dr. Sheldon makes the case for slower, deeper, more reflective innovation. She shares stories of golden moments, challenges us to pluralize transformation, and gives us a clear pathway toward leading with clarity, purpose, and empathy.If you're leading innovation—especially in virtual or hybrid environments—listen in for insight on:Why “rigid” systems fail in dynamic environments, and how to lead with adaptive stability.How to help leaders and teams surface their core values and use them to drive sustainable change.The habits and actions that define innovators—and how they play out differently in virtual spaces.Why going deep before wide is essential for lasting, scalable impact.How “small-i” innovations build momentum toward big transformation.Episode Links:Leadership Coaching for Innovation at Michigan VirtualBrad Stulberg on Rugged Flexibility and AllostasisHenry Ford Innovation Hub – Phil Grumm's WorkAdditional People and Concepts to Link:Brad Stulberg Referenced for the concepts of allostasis and rugged flexibility.

Send me a text! I'd love to know what you're thinking!Learn how real transformation in leadership begins when we shift our focus from what's happening to us to what's happening within us.Tod Bolsinger and Markus Watson discuss this quote from Chuck DeGroat in Ep. 262, Fro Fired to Flourishing.“I had to turn my attention from what happened to me to what was happening within me."THIS EPISODE'S HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE:Change leaders cultivate self-awareness by focusing on their internal responses rather than solely external circumstances.Transformative leadership requires individuals to process their own emotional reactions before leading others through change.Leaders grow when they move beyond blaming external events and explore what pain reveals about their deeper character.Navigating difficult transitions means finding growth by going through challenges, not simply avoiding or getting over them.Lasting change in ministry or leadership begins when individuals reflect on and learn from their personal setbacks.Click HERE to get my FREE online course, BECOMING LEADERS OF SHALOM.

Untying the Knot of Remote Work Communication In today's evolving workplace, communication breakdowns are more than just frustrating—they're costly. Dianna Anderson joins me to unpack her innovative "Untying the Knot" approach, rooted in large-scale change management and coaching. We dive deep into how organizations often rush remote work decisions without engaging their teams, and how this disconnect impacts morale and productivity. It's not just about location—it's about listening. The Shift Toward Adaptive Leadership Post-pandemic workplaces require more than 20th-century leadership styles. Dianna and I discuss how adaptive, people-first leadership is crucial in today's fast-paced, complex world. We explore how leaders can build bridges across generations and departments by fostering creativity, collaboration, and—most importantly—better conversations. From Individual Contributor to Impactful Leader Too often, high-performing employees are promoted to leadership roles without the tools or training to succeed. I share insights from my own leadership journey, including how I transformed a toxic workplace—not with layoffs, but through authentic communication and meeting staff where they were. Leadership isn't innate—it's learned, and it's teachable. Putting People First During a Crisis When the pandemic hit, I made a clear choice: prioritize people over processes. I talk about how checking in on employees' lives beyond work not only boosted morale but built a stronger, more connected organization. Supporting your team's well-being is not a soft skill—it's a strategic advantage. Human-Centered Leadership in the Age of AI In a world where algorithms drive decisions, we can't afford to lose our humanity. Dianna and I unpack why performance metrics must be balanced with emotional intelligence and clear direction. Her one-day coaching-based leadership workshop is a game-changer for teams ready to embrace a more thoughtful, collaborative way to lead. Creating a Shared Language for Change Organizational transformation starts with a shared language. Dianna shares how her work helps companies align people and priorities through simple yet powerful communication practices. I strongly encourage organizations ready to shift their culture to connect with Dianna—you'll be glad you did.   Bio Info Dianna Anderson is a visionary leader and the driving force behind Cylient, a pioneering organization dedicated to equipping people to successfully engage in the conversations they are currently avoiding. Dianna believes that if you can't talk about something, you can't change it. Dianna saw the potential for creating coaching cultures in 2005 after co-authoring Coaching that Counts, a textbook based on ROI data and her years of coaching experience that illuminates how coaching engagements add value in organizations. The Untying the Knot® approach to “in the moment” coaching that she created has equipped over 55,000 people globally to wire up a coaching-based approach to leadership. As a thought leader in leadership development, Dianna has worked with clients across industries, from Fortune 500 companies to smaller organizations. Her approach combines deep empathy, evidence-based strategies, and a profound understanding of human dynamics to help leaders at all levels unlock their potential. Under her guidance, Cylient has become a trusted partner for organizations seeking to create adaptive, resilient cultures in today's fast-paced world. Dianna is a sought-after speaker for her ability to translate complex leadership challenges into actionable insights. Her engaging style and practical wisdom make her a captivating guest on podcasts, where she shares her journey, lessons learned, and discerning insights regarding the power of coaching-based leadership to address current, complex issues. With her unwavering passion for redefining leadership and her commitment to driving meaningful change, Dianna Anderson is not just shaping conversations—she's sparking a movement that reimagines the future of leadership. LinkedIn:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/dianna-anderson-cylient/ Website:  http://www.cylient.com/ YouTube:  https://www.youtube.com/user/CylientCoach X:  https://twitter.com/cylient  

Lets talk about “Guerrilla Management”: How to Think Differently and Win in BusinessIn this eye-opening episode, your hosts Mark Anderson, Sharon Cowan CBSE, and Ed Selkow, dive into the mindset behind Guerrilla Management — the art of solving business problems by stepping outside traditional systems and building smarter, more flexible teams.From empowering front-line supervisors to pivoting your org structure, you'll hear real stories of unconventional decision-making that led to higher profits, lower turnover, and better service.

Send me a text! I'd love to know what you're thinking!More and more, we find ourselves living in what we might call a post-Christian society.  And more and more, preachers and ministry leaders are finding that the methods they were trained in don't always resonate in a post-Christian context. In this episode, Mark Glanville, the author of Preaching in a New Key, brings together his experience as a jazz musician, pastor, and a scholar of the Old Testament to invite us into a new vision for preaching—one that helps us navigate the transition from Christian to post-Christian culture. THIS EPISODE'S HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE:Mark Glanville explains that both jazz and Christian faith involve learning and internalizing tradition, then improvising freshly within it.Jazz musicians practice and absorb the rhythms and melodies of their tradition, but always play something new in performance.Mark Glanville illustrates how biblical preachers should immerse themselves in scripture, becoming shaped by its themes and stories, much like jazz musicians learn their craft.The biblical tradition requires creative and contextual re-interpretation, as seen in how ancient scribes reimagined the metaphor of covenant.Preaching in a post-Christian society means recognizing that faith no longer enjoys cultural support and must grapple with mixed experiences of doubt and trust.Mark Glanville describes post-Christian contexts as places where church and societal values diverge, making the preaching task more complex.Congregants bring complex emotional and spiritual questions to church, rather than the simple expectation of receiving trusted doctrine.Markus Watson notes that contemporary preaching requires greater sensitivity, awareness of listeners' stories, and often more lyrical, dialogical communication.Mark Glanville emphasizes gaining relational intelligence through ongoing pastoral conversations and deep listening with parishioners.Preaching today involves “reversing the flow”—rather than proclaiming “thus says the Lord,” preachers reveal the beauty of Jesus within the text and invite fresh connection.Mark Glanville highlights that healthy preaching depends on the preacher's own healthy inner and emotional life.Preachers must recognize when they are operating from their “defended self”—speaking from wounds or fear, rather than from a secure, loving place in Christ.Scripture addresses communities, not individuals, so preaching should prioritize communal formation and invite congregations to embody Christ together.Mark Glanville encourages pastors to preach, model, and pray for the transformation they seek, stirring the congregation's collective imagination and trusting the Spirit to work through everyone, not just the leadership.RELEVANT RESOURCES AND LINKS:Mark Glanville:Website – www.markglanville.orgBlue Note Theology podcastBooks mentioned:Preaching in a New Key, by Mark GlanvilleRefuge Reimagined, by Mark Glanville and Luke GlanvilleRelated episodes:250. The Prophetic Challenge of DecoGet Becoming Leaders of Shalom for free HERE.Click HERE to get my FREE online course, BECOMING LEADERS OF SHALOM.

Are the best days of the church behind us? Or ahead? Kara Powell and Ray Chang join Mark Labberton to discuss Future-Focused Church: Reimagining Ministry to the Next Generation, co-authored with Jake Mulder. Drawing on extensive research, practical frameworks, and decades of leadership at Fuller Seminary and the TENx10 Collaboration, Powell and Chang map a path forward for the church—one rooted in relational discipleship, kingdom diversity, and tangible neighbour love. In a moment marked by disaffiliation, disillusionment, and institutional fragility, they offer a hopeful vision: churches that are brave enough to listen deeply, lead adaptively, and partner with the next generation in mission. This conversation unpacks their “Here to There” framework, the role of human agency in ecclesial change, and why honouring young people isn't pandering—it's planting seeds for the future of faith. Episode Highlights “We believe the best days of the church are ahead.” “Leadership begins with listening.” “Unless strategy emerges out of culture, or unless the culture is changed, it's really hard to lead.” “Everything rises when we focus on young people.” “Agency is the intersection of knowing, being, and doing.” Helpful Resources and Links Future-Focused Church by Kara Powell, Jake Mulder, and Ray Chang (InterVarsity Press) Fuller Youth Institute—Research and innovation for youth ministry TENx10 Collaboration—Movement to help faith matter more for ten million young people over ten years Asian American Christian Collaborative—Equipping Asian American Christians for faithful public witness ”Churches and Change: Adaptive Leadership”—Heifetz on adaptive vs. technical change (Harvard Business Review) Rethinking Church in the 21st Century (Fuller Seminary)—Ongoing work in contextual theology and church innovation About Kara Powell Kara Powell is the chief of leadership formation at Fuller Seminary, executive director of the Fuller Youth Institute, and founder of the TENx10 Collaboration. A leading voice in youth ministry and church innovation, she is author or co-author of numerous books including Sticky Faith, Growing Young, and 3 Big Questions That Change Every Teenager. She is co-author of Future-Focused Church: Reimagining Ministry to the Next Generation. About Ray Chang Ray Chang is executive director of the TENx10 Collaboration and president of the Asian American Christian Collaborative. A pastor, activist, and writer, Ray's work focuses on racial justice, next-gen discipleship, and building churches that reflect the diversity of God's kingdom. He is co-author of Future-Focused Church: Reimagining Ministry to the Next Generation. Show Notes Kara Powell is chief of leadership formation at Fuller Seminary and executive director of the Fuller Youth Institute Ray Chang is executive director of the TENx10 Collaboration and president of the Asian American Christian Collaborative Future-Focused Church offers a framework for adaptive change, grounded in Scripture, research, and practical leadership “Leadership begins with listening”—Kara shares the importance of appreciative inquiry and asking youth what matters to them Ray describes today's church as “a church actively trying to define and redefine itself in tumultuous and complex times” Simple but powerful framework: Here to There—understanding where we are and where God is calling us next Three checkpoints of a future-focused church: relationally discipling young people, modelling kingdom diversity, tangibly loving our neighbours “Everything rises when we focus on young people”—churches flourish when the next generation is centered Data shows only one in three senior pastors rank young people among their top five priorities Kara: “I wish the problem was that young people were overly prioritized—sadly, it's the opposite” Church innovation isn't just strategic, it's adaptive: “Culture eats strategy for breakfast.” Ray explains why Covid exposed the difference between technical and adaptive change in the church Kara: “We overestimate what we can accomplish in one year and underestimate what we can do in three to five.” Biblical foundations explored—Paul's epistles blend being and doing; Galatians 5 offers a model of fruitful action Human agency as divine invitation—Ray: “God invites us to partner in God's work for the flourishing of humanity” Kara's church story: youth sat in the front, fully engaged—“They prioritized us” Simple action steps from churches include showing up to youth events and publicly celebrating young people's milestones Mark Labberton challenges the idea of “pandering” to youth—Kara responds with data and theological reflection Ray reflects on the complex dynamics in immigrant and second-gen Asian American churches—“placelessness” and a search for belonging Importance of community: following Jesus together, across generations, cultures, and neighbourhoods Kara reframes giving: “Young people want to give to people and to purpose—not to perpetuate programs” “Culture is where values are held; unless strategy aligns with culture, it will be resisted”—Ray on organizational change Intergenerational relationships are critical—older adults model faith and love through presence and commitment The book offers not just direction but formation: process, practice, and people matter as much as the goal “If there's ever a moment to care about the church—and young people—it's now.” Production Credits Conversing is produced and distributed in partnership with Comment magazine and Fuller Seminary.

Send me a text! I'd love to know what you're thinking!Discover why true leadership means having the courage to make tough decisions—even when it means disappointing the people you care about most.Tod Bolsinger and Markus Watson discuss this quote from Rich Stearns in Ep. 105, Courageous Leadership."Leaders have to make difficult decisions.  And difficult decisions require courage."THIS EPISODE'S HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE:Leaders cultivate courage by making difficult decisions that may disappoint their own people.Adaptive leaders accept that faithfully living out the mission often requires sacrificing personal approval.Great leaders guide people through uncomfortable transformation, not just toward easy change.Leaders strengthen their courage by surrounding themselves with friends, partners, and mentors.True leadership calls communities to transformational journeys, even when the leader personally bears the cost.Click HERE to get my FREE online course, BECOMING LEADERS OF SHALOM.

Send us a textSt. George mayoral candidate Aros Mackey who shares his vision for preserving the "Dixie spirit" while fostering economic growth and community leadership.• Exploring St. George's unique position as the "800-pound gorilla" in Utah that handles more complex infrastructure and city management than nearly any other Utah city except Salt Lake• Discussion of Southern Utah's pioneer heritage and the values that shaped the region: faith, patriotism, hard work, personal responsibility, and sacrifice• Aros explains his background in intelligence, criminal justice, and his work combating human trafficking while running a private security agency specializing in executive protection• Examination of the proper role of government with Aros describing himself as a "constitutional purist" who believes authority comes from the peopleVisit votearos.com to learn more about the candidate's platform. Primary election ballots will be mailed starting July 22nd, with voting on August 12th.

Send me a text! I'd love to know what you're thinking!In a world that celebrates rapid growth, platform-building, and constant success, it's easy to take on leadership strategies that promise bigger, better, and faster results. But when these approaches clash with the invitation of Jesus to embrace the cross, where does true, lasting influence come from?In this episode, Nicole Massie Martin, author of Nailing It, unpacks the spiritual paradox at the heart of healthy leadership—how surrender, humility, and even seasons of struggle can form us as leaders and empower the people we serve.THIS EPISODE'S HIGHLIGHTS INCUDE:Christian leaders often merge values like maximizing and growing their ministries, risking a "resurrection only" mindset that ignores suffering.Markus Watson highlights that the moments of deepest closeness with God often emerge from times of pain.Nicole Martin frames power neutrally, stating that its impact depends on how leaders use it—to empower or to hoard.Power must be used for God's glory and for empowering others, not for self-aggrandizement.Markus Watson admits that the temptation for influence and control is a real struggle in leadership, even when intentions are good.Nicole Martin explains that surrendering power as a leader looks like developing teams and creating an environment where others feel empowered to fulfill their calling.Nicole Martin shares a personal story of feeling powerless as a board member until another leader affirmed her authority and encouraged her participation.Empowerment should be modeled by leaders who intentionally invite others to use their own power and gifts.Ego is complex and influenced by cultural worldviews such as honor-shame, guilt-innocence, and power-fear.Nicole Martin emphasizes the importance of anchoring one's self-worth in the love of God, not in achievement or shame.Markus Watson describes how personal failure and pain loosened his unhealthy grip on ego and led him to ground his worth in being God's beloved.Nicole Martin asserts that healthy ego in leadership is characterized by deep confidence, humility, and openness, rooted in one's belovedness by God.Leaders must recalibrate their pace and surrender speed to God's timing, resisting the burnout that comes from adopting the relentless pace of the world.RELEVANT RESOURCES AND LINKS:Christianity TodaySoulfire International MinistriesBooks mentioned:Nailing It, by Nicole Massie MartinLife of the Beloved, by Henri NouwenAbba's Child, by Brennan ManningSurrender to Love, by David BennerEmotionally Healthy Spirituality, by Peter ScazeroFalling Upward, by Richard RohrRelated episodes:112. The Beatitudes and Spiritual Leadership, with Mark Scandrette252. Navigating the Pain of Being Othered, with Jenai AumanClick HERE to get my FREE online course, BECOMING LEADERS OF SHALOM.

Send us a textIn this episode of Leadership Bites, Guy Bloom sits down with Philip Atkinson, author of "The Twelve Leadership Lessons from a Busy Beehive" and founder of Hive Logic. They explore the fascinating parallels between beekeeping and organizational leadership, discussing how the wisdom of the hive can inform effective team dynamics and leadership strategies.Philip Atkinson emphasizes the importance of effective leadership in team dynamics.The metaphor of beekeeping provides valuable insights into organizational behavior.Understanding the wisdom of the hive can enhance leadership practices.Endings in projects and roles are crucial for organizational learning.Communication lessons from bees can improve clarity in organizations.Sensing the system is essential for effective leadership.Leadership change requires careful succession planning.Bees adapt to threats, offering lessons for organizational resilience.Reflection and pausing are vital for effective leadership.Emotional connections to beekeeping can engage teams in learning.Key Takeaways:The Power of Metaphors: Philip shares how beekeeping serves as a powerful metaphor for understanding complex organizational systems and dynamics.Communication and Alignment: Insights into how bees communicate effectively in a hive and the lessons leaders can draw for organizational communication. System Thinking: The importance of viewing organizations as interconnected systems and the role of leaders in sensing and responding to changes.Leadership and Succession: Exploring the concept of "supercedure" in beehives and its implications for leadership succession planning in organizations. Adapting to Change: How bees adapt to new threats and what organizations can learn about resilience and adaptability.Memorable Quotes:"Every person deserves to be led well." "The wisdom of the hive is about understanding culture, purpose, and patterns of behavior."To find out more about Guy Bloom and his award winning work in Team Coaching, Leadership Development and Executive Coaching click below.The link to everything CLICK HEREUK: 07827 953814Email: guybloom@livingbrave.com Web: www.livingbrave.com

Send me a text! I'd love to know what you're thinking!In a post-pandemic world, what does it really mean to be a “small,” “mid-sized,” or even “very large” church? Markus Watson and Tod Bolsinger explore Thom Rainer's recommendations to recategorize church size, reflect on the unique strengths and challenges of congregations of all sizes, and examine why church health and faithfulness matter more than impressive attendance numbers. Whether you're a pastor, church leader, or simply curious about the evolving landscape of church leadership, this episode challenges us to rethink our assumptions—and reminds us that fruitful ministry comes in every size.Tod Bolsinger and Markus Watson discuss this article by Thom Rainer: "The New Very Large Church."THIS EPISODE'S HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE:Church leaders reframe success by focusing on fruitfulness rather than congregation size.Pastors adapt their leadership style to match the unique needs of different-sized churches.Post-pandemic, churches redefine size categories to reflect new attendance realities.Faithful, missionally active congregations thrive regardless of their numerical growth.Discernment and subtraction become vital leadership skills when resources decrease.Click HERE to get my FREE online course, BECOMING LEADERS OF SHALOM.

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Send me a text! I'd love to know what you're thinking!Work hurt is real, and ministry leaders aren't exempt. Whether it's being let go, navigating toxic work environments, or simply enduring deep disappointments, our vocational pain can shape us in ways we never expected—and often never wanted.In this episode, author of When Work Hurts, shares her own journey through work hurt, explores the different ways leaders experience vocational pain, and offers practical and spiritual resources for healing and resilience. THIS EPISODE'S HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE:Meryl Herr shares her personal story of “work hurt” and how it led her to address the topic in her work and writing. Meryl Herr describes feeling disillusioned early in her career when her expectations for work did not align with reality, leading to discouragement and even unexpected job loss. Work hurt occurs when people sustain physical or psychological injuries in their workplace. Meryl Herr categorizes work hurt as stemming from toxic systems, unhealthy cultures, issues of job fit, and personal mistakes. Work hurt can be experienced as disappointment, disillusionment, or devastation, each having different causes and emotional impacts. Meryl Herr notes that people's tolerance for disappointment, disillusionment, and devastation is highly individual. Significant numbers of workers experience work hurt, including burnout, discrimination, and disengagement, as reflected in recent research and statistics. Discrimination and harassment at work affect certain demographic groups more acutely, highlighting systemic injustice and inequity. Meryl Herr stresses the need for individuals to acknowledge and process their work-related pain, rather than internalizing it or transmitting it to others. If people do not transform their work pain, they risk transmitting it as cynicism, projection, or stress in personal and family relationships. Community support, honest conversation, prayer—especially lament—and listening to God are central strategies for healing from work hurt. Meryl Herr encourages practices of discerning God's presence and call, likening vocational discernment to “wayfinding” that requires attention to context, one's gifts, and God's invitation. Being called to a vocation or job does not mean one is exempt from pain or suffering; Meryl Herr and Markus Watson both connect this to biblical examples of hardship in the midst of calling. Pastors play an important role by understanding and addressing the work hurt in their congregations and by providing practical, emotional, and spiritual support. Meryl Herr recommends cultivating “everyday faithfulness,” showing up and doing the daily work set before us as a foundational way to keep moving forward through disruption, loss, and fear.RELEVANT RESOURCES AND LINKS:Meryl Herr:Website – www.merylherr.comDePree Center for LeadershipBooks mentioned:When Work Hurts, by Meryl HerrFalling Upward, by Ruchard RohrRelated episodes:114. Meaningful Work, Get Becoming Leaders of Shalom for free HERE.Click HERE to get my FREE online course, BECOMING LEADERS OF SHALOM.

In a workplace where one-size-fits-all leadership no longer works, adapting to your team's unique needs is key. In this episode of Can You Hear Me?, Eileen Rochford and Rob Johnson explore how adaptive leadership can unlock stronger connections and better results.Thank you for listening to "Can You Hear Me?". If you enjoyed our show, please consider subscribing and leaving a review on your favorite podcast platform. Stay connected with us: - Follow us on LinkedIn! - Follow our co-host Eileen Rochford on Linkedin! - Follow our co-host Rob Johnson on Linkedin!  

Send me a text! I'd love to know what you're thinking!Drawing on the challenges of feeling marginalized and the importance of resting in God's love, this episode explores the vital role that self-compassion plays in leadership. Tod Bolsinger shares wisdom on facing anxiety and insecurity, especially when leaders are stepping into the unknown and leaving behind their expertise. Instead of "faking it till you make it," Tod encourages authenticity, resilience, and building trust within a community.Tod Bolsinger and Markus Watson discuss this quote from Jenai Auman in Ep. 252: Navigating the Pain of Being “Othered”:"Sometimes I need to experience self-compassion and quell the insecurity within me so I can extend compassion and love to my neighbor."THIS EPISODE'S HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE:Leaders cultivate self compassion to address their own insecurity before extending compassion to others.Adaptive leaders acknowledge their anxiety and insecurity rather than suppressing or faking confidence.Leaders practice honesty with themselves and those they lead about the difficulties and uncertainties of new challenges.Leaders invite trustworthy people to join them in facing the unknown, creating a supportive environment.Leaders embrace authenticity and vulnerability as central to healthy and transformative leadership.Click HERE to get my FREE online course, BECOMING LEADERS OF SHALOM.

Send us a textHarold (Trey) Carlson has served as chief of staff for NASA's John F. Kennedy Space Center in Florida since August 2022. In this role, Carlson is responsible for day-to-day operations at Kennedy, helping shape the center's strategic direction while overseeing various policies and initiatives.Before assuming his current role, Carlson served five years as the Kennedy Space Center legislative affairs manager. He directed KSC's legislative agenda, interfacing with Congress and the State of Florida legislature and advocating for NASA's exploration and science mission requirements and Kennedy's multi-user spaceport needs.During his tenure as legislative affairs manager, Carlson served several months as NASA's acting deputy associate administrator for the Office of Legislative and Intergovernmental Affairs (OLIA) and eight months as the acting director for Legislative Liaison Division within OLIA. Previously, he led the development and execution of Kennedy's master plan that transformed the center from a single-use, government-operated federal facility to a multi-user spaceport providing both government and commercial launch operations.Carlson is a former U.S. Navy submariner and holds a bachelor's degree in urban studies and planning from the University of California at San Diego, and a Master of Science degree in public policy and management from the Heinz School at Carnegie Mellon University. A Quote From This Episode"It's the people element that is the most important—whether you're making yeast rolls or launching rockets.”“I've never thought, ‘Why did I do this?' after investing time in a relationship.”Resources Mentioned in This Episode Podcast: Jordan PetersonPodcast: President's Daily Brief TED: Ian Bremmer's 2025 outlookAbout The International Leadership Association (ILA)The ILA was created in 1999 to bring together professionals interested in studying, practicing, and teaching leadership. Plan for Prague - October 15-18, 2025!About  Scott J. AllenWebsiteWeekly Newsletter: Practical Wisdom for LeadersBlogMy Approach to HostingThe views of my guests do not constitute "truth." Nor do they reflect my personal views in some instances. However, they are views to consider, and I hope they help you clarify your perspective. Nothing can replace your reflection, research, and exploration of the topic. ♻️ Please share with others and follow/subscribe to the podcast!⭐️ Please leave a review on Apple, Spotify, or your platform of choice.➡️ Follow me on LinkedIn for more on leadership, communication, and tech.

Send me a text! I'd love to know what you're thinking!Josh Hayden, the author of Remissioning Church: A Field guide for Bringing a Congregation Back to Life, shares wisdom from his own journey—moving from church planting to leading a 158-year-old congregation—and he helps us understand the difference between revitalization and remissioning.  He also talks about the power of what he calls “creative destruction” and reflects on the hope that churches and people really can change. If you are a ministry leader wondering how to lead your church through deep transformation and discovering a renewed mission, you'll find both encouragement and practical guidance in this conversation.THIS EPISODE'S HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE:Josh Hayden explains that remissioning involves inside-out transformation of the church through discipleship for the sake of neighbors and the world.Revitalization focuses on refreshing existing programs, while remissioning addresses deeper, DNA-level transformation.Josh Hayden underscores the importance of listening first—both to the church and the neighborhood—before making plans for change.Markus Watson highlights the challenge new pastors face in established churches, including resistance, sabotage, and managing change.Remissioning leaders must exegete both their congregation and their community to identify gaps and opportunities for meaningful connection.Josh Hayden stresses that successful remissioning requires teamwork; pastors must not attempt change alone.Markus Watson reflects on the emotional challenges of change, including the shame spiral that can occur when a church confronts its shortcomings.Josh Hayden illustrates the shame spiral with an example of unnoticed “No Running in the Halls” signs that undermined stated values of hospitality.Remissioning involves inviting the congregation into a process of repentance, learning, and transformation, rather than imposing outside solutions.Josh Hayden shares how tradition-to-innovation means honoring a church's history while translating it into practices that serve current needs.Experiments in ministry should create shared experiences that allow for evaluation, learning, and adaptation over time.Josh Hayden describes creative destruction as embracing necessary endings so new life can emerge, drawing analogy from nature and industry.Effective change involves creating feedback loops, town hall conversations, and allowing time for the congregation to process and adapt.Not all experiments or changes need to succeed; failed experiments still provide valuable lessons for ongoing transformation.RELEVANT RESOURCES AND LINKS:Josh Hayden:Iwa Collabora websiteBooks mentioned:Remissioning Church, by Josh HaydenCanoeing the Mountains, by Tod BolsingerRelated episodes:16. Canoeing the Mountains, with Tod Bolsinger192. Leading Change Without Authority, with Roy Inzunza264. Building a Future-Focused Church, with Kara Powell, Jake MGet Becoming Leaders of Shalom for free HERE.Click HERE to get my FREE online course, BECOMING LEADERS OF SHALOM.

Send me a text! I'd love to know what you're thinking!Markus Watson and Tod Bolsinger unpack the fascinating connection between the Latin roots of “prayer” and “precarious”—suggesting that it's often in our most uncertain moments that we're drawn into deeper dependence on God. Together, they explore how precarious situations not only shape our leadership but also form and mature our prayer lives. You'll also hear practical wisdom on leading others in prayer through times of change and how discernment, rather than just asking God to bless our plans, is central to a healthy approach to leadership.Tod Bolsinger and Markus Watson discuss this quote from Jeff Hoffmeyer in Ep. 246: Have We Forgotten to Pray?:"The Latin word for prayer is the same root for ‘precarious'. So, I think when we're in a precarious situation, God's desire is that we'll be driven to dependence on prayer."THIS EPISODE'S HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE:Leaders cultivate their prayer lives in the midst of precarious situations.Leaders experience spiritual formation when they become aware of their dependence on God.Leaders guide their congregations into discernment by seeking God's voice together.Leaders model a deep prayer life by honestly acknowledging their limitations.Leaders resist making plans independently and instead invite God to direct their path.Click HERE to get my FREE online course, BECOMING LEADERS OF SHALOM.

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