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This week, please join author Xuerong Wen, Associate Editor Sandeep Das, and Guest Host Mercedes Carnethon as they discuss the article "Comparative Effectiveness and Safety of Direct Oral Anticoagulants and Warfarin in Patients With Atrial Fibrillation and Chronic Liver Disease: A Nationwide Cohort Study." Dr. Carolyn Lam: Welcome to Circulation on the Run, your weekly podcast summary and backstage pass of the journal and its editors. We're your co-hosts. I'm Dr. Carolyn Lam, associate editor from the National Heart Center and Duke National University of Singapore. Dr. Greg Hundley: And I'm Dr. Greg Hundley, associate editor, Director of the Poly Heart Center at VCU Health in Richmond, Virginia. Dr. Carolyn Lam: Greg, I'm so excited about today's feature paper. It deals with the important condition where atrial fibrillation exists in patients with chronic liver disease and what do we do for anticoagulation in these patients. It's a comparative effectiveness and safety study of direct oral anticoagulants compared with warfarin in these patients. A huge, wonderful, important study that we're going to discuss. But before we get there, I'd like to tell you about some papers in this issue and I'd like you to tell me about some too. You got your coffee? Dr. Greg Hundley: Absolutely. Dr. Carolyn Lam: All right. I'll go first In this paper that describes a quantitative prognostic tool for the mitral valve prolapse spectrum and it's derived from the new mitral regurgitation international database quantitative or MIDA-Q registry, which enrolled more than 8,000 consecutive patients from North America, Europe, Middle East. And these were patients all diagnosed with isolated mitral valve prolapse or MVP in routine clinical practice of academic centers, all of which also did prospective degenerative mitral regurgitation quantification. The MIDA-Q score was calculated based on characteristics collected in routine practice combining the established MIDA score, which integrated guideline based markers of outcomes like age, New York Heart Association status, atrial fibrillation, LA size, pulmonary artery pressure left ventricular and systolic, I mentioned, and ejection fraction. Integrating that with scoring points based on the degenerative mitral regurgitation quantitation that is measuring effective regurgitant orifice and volume. Dr. Greg Hundley: Very interesting Carolyn. So a scoring system that combines clinical information with what we might assess with echocardiography like regurgitant volume or regurgitant orifice area. So how well did this mortality risk score perform? Dr. Carolyn Lam: So the new score was associated with an extreme range of predicted survival under medical management and that ranged from 97% to 5% at five years for the extreme score ranges. And it was strongly, independently and incrementally associated with long-term survival over all the markers of outcomes. So the authors concluded, and these by the way were authors led by Dr. Maurice Serrano from Mayo Clinic, Rochester, Minnesota. These authors concluded that the score should allow integrated risk assessment of patients with mitral valve prolapse to refine clinical decision making in routine practice and ultimately reduce degenerative mitral regurgitation under treatment. Dr. Greg Hundley: Wonderful description Carolyn. Well I'm going to switch to the world of electrophysiology, Carolyn. And so as you know, the Brugada syndrome is an inherited arrhythmia syndrome caused by loss of function variants in the cardiac sodium channel gene SCN5A and that occurs in about 20% of subjects. And these authors led by Dr. Dan Roden at Vanderbilt University School of Medicine identified a family with four individuals diagnosed with Brugada syndrome, harboring a rare missense variant in the cardiac transcription factor, TBX5, but no SCN5A variant. And upon identifying these individuals, their objective was to establish TBX5 as a causative gene in Brugada syndrome and to define the underlying mechanisms by which it would be operative. Dr. Carolyn Lam: Oh wow. So a new gene variant. So what was the relationship? Dr. Greg Hundley: Right Carolyn? So using induced pluripotent stem cell derived cardiomyocytes from members of the affected family, multiple electrophysiologic abnormalities were detected in these cardiomyocytes including decreased peak and enhanced late cardiac sodium current. In these cells these abnormalities were entirely corrected by CRISPR/Cas9 mediated editing of that TBX5 variant and transcriptional profiling and functional assays in unedited and edited pluripotent stem cell derived cardiomyocytes showed direct SCN5A down regulation caused decreased peak sodium current and that reduced PDGF receptor expression and blunted signal transduction to phosphoinositide-3-kinase. And interestingly, PDGF receptor blockade markedly prolonged normal induced pluripotent stem cell derived cardiomyocyte action potentials. And also Carolyn interestingly in this study they did a separate analysis. It reviewed plasma levels of PDGF in the Framingham Heart Study and they found that they were inversely correlated with the QT corrected interval. And so Carolyn, these results established decrease SCN5A transcription by the TBX5 variant as a cause of Brugada syndrome and also reveal a new general transcriptional mechanism of arrhythmogenesis of enhanced late sodium current caused by reduced PDGF receptor mediated phosphoinositide-3-kinase signaling. Dr. Carolyn Lam: Wow. Wow, that's significant. Thanks Greg. So this next paper is also really important and could change the practice in the field of cardiac resynchronization therapy or CRT. You see, it suggests that the practice of what we do now, which is combining right bundle branch block with intraventricular conduction delay patients into a single non-left bundle branch block category when we select patients for CRT, that this may not be the way to go. So let's go back a bit and remember that benefit from CRT varies with QRS characteristics and individual trials are actually underpowered to assess the benefit for relatively small subgroups. So the current authors led by Dr. Friedman from Duke University Hospital and colleagues, therefore performed a patient level meta-analysis of randomized trials of CRT to assess the relationship between QRS duration and morphology with outcomes. Dr. Greg Hundley: Very interesting Carolyn. So another wonderful paper from the world of electrophysiology in trying to understand optimal mechanisms to resynchronize the ventricle in patients with differing bundle branch blocks or intraventricular conduction delays. So what did they find? Dr. Carolyn Lam: They found that patients with intraventricular conduction delays and a QRS duration of 150 milliseconds or more, CRT was associated with lower rates of heart failure hospitalizations and all cause mortality. The magnitude of CRT benefit among these patients with the interventricular conduction delay of 150 milliseconds or more and those with the left bundle branch block of 150 milliseconds or more were similar. In contrast, there was no clear CRT benefit for patients with a right bundle branch block of any QRS duration, although the authors could not rule out the potential for benefit at a markedly prolonged QRS duration. So they concluded that the practice of combining right bundle branch block with intraventricular conduction delay patients into a single non-left bundle branch block category when we make patient selections for CRT is not supported by the current data. And in fact, patients with an intraventricular conduction delay of 150 milliseconds or more should be offered CRT as is done for patients with a left bundle branch block of 150 milliseconds or more. Dr. Greg Hundley: Wow, Carolyn, so really interesting point. No clear CRT benefit for patients with right bundle branch block regardless of the QRS duration. Well we've got some other articles in the issue. I'll describe a couple from the mail bag. There's a Research Letter from Professor Lassen entitled "Risk of Incident Thromboembolic and Ischemic Events Following COVID-19 Vaccination Compared with SARS-COV2 Infection." Also Bridget Kuhn has a wonderful Cardiology News piece entitled "Collaborative Care Model Helps Heart Failure Patients Meet End-of-Life Goals." Dr. Carolyn Lam: There's an exchange of letters between Doctors Donzelli and Hippisley-Cox regarding that risk of myocarditis after sequential doses of COVID-19 vaccine, there's an AHA Update by Dr. Churchwell on continuous Medicaid eligibility, the lessons from the pandemic. There's an On My Mind paper by Dr. Parkhomenko on Russia's war in Ukraine and cardiovascular healthcare. Wow, what an issue. Thanks so much, Greg. Shall we go on to the feature discussion? Dr. Greg Hundley: You bet. Dr. Mercedes Carnethon: Well welcome to this episode of Circulation on the Run podcast. I'm Mercedes Carnethon, associate editor of the journal Circulation and Professor and Vice Chair of Preventive Medicine at the Northwestern University Feinberg School of Medicine. I'm very excited to be here today with Xuerong Wen and Sandeep Das, my fellow associate editor here at Circulation to talk about a wonderful piece by Dr. Wen and colleagues from the University of Rhode Island. So welcome this morning Xuerong and thank you so much for sharing your important work with us. Dr. Xuerong Wen: Thank you Dr. Carnethon. It was great meeting you all and I'm the Associate Professor of Pharmacoepidemiology and Health Outcomes at the University of Rhode Island. I'm happy to introduce my study to everyone. Dr. Mercedes Carnethon: Well thank you so much and thank you as well Sandeep for identifying this fantastic article and bringing it forth. Dr. Sandeep Das: Thanks Mercedes. It's great to be with you. Dr. Mercedes Carnethon: Great. Well let's go ahead and get into it. There's so much here to talk about. So Dr. Wen and colleagues studied the comparative effectiveness and safety of direct oral anticoagulants or DOACs and warfarin in patients with atrial fibrillation and chronic liver disease. So this is such an important topic. Can you tell us a little bit about what your study found? Dr. Xuerong Wen: So our study is a comparative effectiveness and the safety analysis using a national health administrative data from private health plans. So we compared the risk of hospitalized ischemic stroke, systemic embolism and major bleeding between DOACs and warfarin in patients with atrial fibrillation and chronic liver disease. So we also had to had compare to these primary outcomes between apixaban and rivaroxaban in the study population. So our studies show that among patients with atrial fibrillation and chronic liver disease, DOACs as a class was associated with lower risk of hospitalization of ischemic stroke and systemic embolism and major bleeding, compared with warfarin. And when compared risk outcomes between individuals apixaban has lower risks as compared to rivaroxaban. So that's our study results. Dr. Mercedes Carnethon: Well thank you so much. This seems like such an important question. We hear a lot about DOACs and some of their risks as well as their considerable benefits. I think what leaves me the most curious is why did you choose to pursue this question and in particular in patients with both atrial fibrillation and liver disease. So why was the intersection of these two particular conditions of interest to your study team? Dr. Xuerong Wen: That's a great question. So the liver actually plays a central role in both the synthesis of coagulation factors and the metabolism of anticoagulant drugs. And the clearance of the anticoagulants in liver ranges from 20% to 100% for DOACs and warfarin. So in clinical practice anticoagulation abnormalities and elevated risk of spontaneous or unprovoked venous thrombotic complications have been reported in patients with liver disease. While these patients with cirrhosis were excluded from the clinical trials of DOACs and also population based, the real world experience is very limited. So that is why we initiated this retrospective cohort study and based on the real world data in this specific population. Dr. Mercedes Carnethon: Oh, thank you so much for explaining that. I definitely learned a lot and really enjoyed reading the piece. I think it was very well organized and well written and I know that our readership will appreciate it. It obviously stood out to you as well, Sandeep. Can you tell me a little bit about why you thought that this would be an excellent piece for circulation? Dr. Sandeep Das: Yeah, absolutely. Thanks for the question. So in the broad field of what we call observational comparative effectiveness research, so basically that's using large observational data sets to try to answer important clinical questions and it's a really challenging thing to do. I mean we're all very familiar with the idea of using randomized trials to assess important clinical questions because of the structure of that design allows you to mitigate some of the effects of confounding. Here, it has to be done analytically. So what's the important factor that really drives you towards a great observational comparative effectiveness piece? So first the clinical importance. I feel a little guilty because I'm old enough to remember when warfarin was the only option available, but really as a clinician, or every patient, I really prefer DOACs over warfarin just for ease of use and lifestyle. So there's a huge sort of importance to the question. Second, the patients with chronic liver disease were excluded from the larger RCTs and the DOAC trials. So really we don't have the answer to the question already. It's an important question. Obviously the bleeding risk is tied up with the liver, warfarin directly antagonizes vitamin K, so there's real questions about safety and so this is the perfect storm and then on top of it was a really well done and well executed study. So when this came across my desk, the very first thing I thought was not, "Is this something that we're interested?" But rather, "How do we make it better? How do we make it more useful to the reader?" This had me from hello. Dr. Mercedes Carnethon: Well thanks so much. We rarely have the opportunity when we read an article to be able to ask the authors questions. So Sandeep, I know that you had mentioned that you had some follow up questions as well. Dr. Sandeep Das: Yeah. So the real thought that I have then is would you argue based on this that we know enough that we should change our practice? And that do you feel comfortable advocating that people now prescribe DOACs to these patients? Dr. Xuerong Wen: I would say yes. Okay. Although this is not a clinical trial, but our study is actually systematically compare the effectiveness and safety between DOAC users and also the warfarin users. And if you look at our table one, we compare with so many variables between these two users and we use the propensity score adjustment and we after propensity score weighting and the two control group almost balanced. And I know right now FDA actually suggested that emulate the trial using the large real world data to do the emulated trial. So our study actually conducted is based on the large population using large data and we use the propensity score weighting to control all this potential compounding factors. Although there are still some limitations in this study. I think we mentioned that in the discussion section and we discussed all potential compounding factors that still may exist. And also there are some misclassifications and out of all this limitations and we still found the two drugs performed differently in this specific population. So we feel that comfortable to say that a DOAC drug performs better than warfarin. And also I think based on other studies that based on the clinical trial in the general population, DOAC drug is performs much better than warfarin and considering that the clearance in liver for DOAC is less than warfarin. So plus all this information together, I think DOAC may be safer than wafarin in the patients with AF and chronic liver disease. Dr. Sandeep Das: Yeah, I would say that I agree that these data, even if you're skeptical about observational CT generally, which I admit that I tend to be, these are really reassuring data that at least the DOACs are... There's absolutely nothing that suggests that they're any worse than warfarin and all of the sort of soft indications for ease of use and patient happiness really would seem to favor DOACs. So I think this is the sort of rare observational CT paper that may actually change my practice. Dr. Mercedes Carnethon: I have a follow-up question, Xuerong, related to the design and as well your strategy to address differences between the groups. So inverse probability weighting is certainly a standard in the field to be able to manage differences between groups when you have a situation where can't, where it's not a randomized trial. Do you as well, and educate me, I admit I'm an epidemiologist whose methodological skills are sometimes challenged. Do you have the opportunity using this design and with inverse probability weighting to evaluate subgroup effects? So my specific question is were you able to determine whether or not these associations were similar based on age and gender in particular? Dr. Xuerong Wen: That's a great question. We did conducted a lot of subgroup study but not by age or gender. We conducted I think this study in a lot of subgroups using the propensity score weighting, but the subgroup that I think we did a subgroup like a patient with a different chronic liver disease. So that's what we did. And we also tested different methods inverse probability score weighting. So we did trimming and we used a different percentage of trimming and to see how that affect the study results. So we have done a lot of subgroup studies. We did not check the age and the gender, but that's a very good point. Maybe later, well I'll ask my student to do that. Dr. Mercedes Carnethon: Well, you're a good mentor. So I think that is a really certainly an appropriate approach. Sandeep, did you have additional questions? Dr. Sandeep Das: No, I wish I had thought of yours before you did. I think exactly the older age, women, racial ethnic groups that are underrepresented historically in trials. I think that that's really, again, the sweet spot of this observational research. We definitely, and NH definitely working on trying to increase enrollment of all these groups in our CTs. However, while we wait for that, I think that's exactly what we should be doing. Dr. Mercedes Carnethon: Well that's great. And Xuerong, you really alluded to really, I think what is one of my final questions related to what do you think based on what you have observed in this study, what do you see as the next steps in the research field for your team, your students, or other people who are carrying out this type of work? Dr. Xuerong Wen: Well, that's a great question. We currently have a couple of more manuscripts ongoing in this field, and we will continue conducting the comparative effectiveness and analysis to compare drugs head to head as well as developing and implementing new methodologies to this field. And we hope our study provides real world evidence for clinical decision making, prescribing anticoagulants to patients with atrial fibrillation and chronic liver disease. We also expect the physicians and researchers more and more value the real world data studies, especially when clinical trials are not feasible or ethical. Dr. Mercedes Carnethon: Well, thank you so much. That was such an excellent vision that you provided us with and we're just very grateful that you submitted this fantastic work to the journal Circulation. I know that our readers will enjoy really digging in. The podcast is meant as a teaser to bring you to the journal so that you can read about this wonderful work by Dr. Wen and colleagues. So again, thank you. I'm Mercedes Carnethon, joined with my associate editor partner here, Dr. Sandeep Das. And thank you very much for spending your time with us today, Dr. Wen. Dr. Xuerong Wen: Thanks for this great opportunity to disseminate my study with us, thank you. Dr. Sandeep Das: Thanks Mercedes. Dr. Mercedes Carnethon: Thank you for joining us for this episode of Circulation on the Run. Dr. Greg Hundley: This program is copyright of the American Heart Association 2023. The opinions expressed by speakers in this podcast are their own and not necessarily those of the editors or of the American Heart Association. For more, please visit ahajournals.org.

This week, join authors Maryjane Farr and Josef Stehlik as they discuss their Perspective article "Heart Xenotransplant: A Door That Is Finally Opening." Dr. Carolyn Lam: Welcome to Circulation On the Run, your weekly podcast summary and backstage pass to the Journal and its editors. We're your co-hosts. I'm Dr. Carolyn Lam, Associate Editor from the National Heart Center in Duke National University of Singapore. Dr. Greg Hundley: And I'm, Dr. Greg Hundley, Associate Editor, Director of the Pauley Heart Center, at VCU Health in Richmond, Virginia. Dr. Greg Hundley: Well, Carolyn, this week's feature, very interesting, xenotransplantation, where organs from other species are transplanted into humans. And it's a perspective piece. And so, we're going to get a weighted conversation from two different individuals that have a different perspective on the topic. Dr. Greg Hundley: But, before we get to that, how about we grab a cup of coffee, and start with some of the other articles in the issue? Would you like to go first? Dr. Carolyn Lam: Absolutely, Greg. Although man, that is a big hook you just gave us. Xenotransplantation is seriously, seriously, a hot topic. Can't wait to learn more. Dr. Carolyn Lam: But, for this first paper I want to talk about, well, we know that sequencing Mendelian arrhythmia genes in individuals without an indication for arrhythmia genetic testing, can identify carriers of pathogenic, or lightly pathogenic, variants. However, to what extent do these variants associate with clinically meaningful phenotypes, and what do we know about variants of uncertain significance? Dr. Carolyn Lam: So to answer this question, Dr. Dan Roden, from Vanderbilt University, and his colleagues, looked at 10 arrhythmia susceptibility genes, that were sequenced in more are than 20,000 participants without an indication for arrhythmia genetic testing in the eMERGE III study, which is a multi-center prospective cohort. Variants, previously designated pathogenic, or likely pathogenic, were identified in 120 individuals, or 0.6% population. And electronic health records revealed an over-representation of arrhythmia phenotypes. Some variants of uncertain significance were also found in individuals with arrhythmias and patch clamping, confirmed reclassification, to likely pathogenic. Dr. Greg Hundley: Really interesting results from this eMERGE III study, Carolyn. So what's the take home message? Dr. Carolyn Lam: As genetic testing becomes more common, the combination of electronic health records and in vitro testing, will help classify variant pathogenicity. Population screening has the potential to identify patients with undiagnosed Mendelian rhythm disorders. However, we need to consider the pros and cons of such an approach. And this is discussed in an accompanying editorial by doctors, Walsh, and Bezzina, and Wilde, from Amsterdam University Medical Center. Dr. Greg Hundley: Very nice, Carolyn. Well, my first paper comes to us from Professor Karl Heusler from the University of Wurzburg. Carolyn, this study was a pre-specified analysis of the anticoagulation using the direct factor Xa inhibitor, apixaban, during atrial fibrillation catheter ablation comparison to vitamin K antagonist therapy, or the AXAFA–AFNET 5 trial. And it randomized 674 patients with atrial fibrillation, in a one-to-one fashion, to uninterrupted apixaban, or vitamin K antagonist therapy, prior to first time ablation, with a goal to assess the prevalence of magnetic resonance imaging detected ischemic brain lesions, and their association with cognitive function, three months after first time ablation, using the continuous oral anticoagulation in patients with paroxysmal atrial fibrillation. Dr. Carolyn Lam: Huh. Nice. So what did they find, Greg? Dr. Greg Hundley: Right, Carolyn. They found that brain MRI detected chronic white matter damage, as well as, acute ischemic lesions, were frequently found after first time ablation for paroxysmal atrial fibrillation, using uninterrupted oral anticoagulation. Including, 27.2% of those receiving apixaban, and 24.8% of those receiving the vitamin K antagonists. So Carolyn, no difference there. MRI detected acute ischemic brain lesions were not associated with cognitive function at three months after ablation. And then, Carolyn, the lower Montreal Cognitive Assessment scores, both before and after ablation, were associated with older age only, highlighting the safety of atrial fibrillation ablation on uninterrupted oral anticoagulation. Dr. Carolyn Lam: Oh, thank you, Greg. Well, my next paper talks about basilar artery occlusion, which we know is a devastating condition without definitive evidence to guide treatment. Now, while we do know that faster treatment times with endovascular therapy is associated with better outcomes in the anterior circulation of the brain. What about this relationship for basilar artery occlusion? See? So that's the question that this paper sought to answer, and it's led by Dr. Smith from University of Calgary in Alberta, Canada, and colleagues. They used individual level patient data from the Get With The Guidelines-Stroke nationwide US registry, prospectively collected from January 2015 to December 2019, and identified 3015 patients with basilar artery occlusion treated with endovascular therapy. Dr. Greg Hundley: Ah, Carolyn. And so what did they find here? Dr. Carolyn Lam: So, here are the results. Treatment of basilar artery occlusion with endovascular therapy, within six hours of last known well, is associated with better outcomes, compared to treatment after six hours. Including, lower odds of mortality and higher odds of reperfusion, independence, and discharge home.   Dr. Carolyn Lam: There was a non-linear association between, faster treatment with endovascular therapy for basilar artery occlusion, and better outcomes, with the greatest per hour improvement in outcomes seen within six hours of the last known well. In summary, results indicate that, faster treatment with endovascular therapy may improve outcomes in basilar artery occlusion. Efforts should therefore be made, to optimize workflow, including pre-hospital, inner-hospital, intra-hospital processes, to achieve rapid treatment with endovascular therapy in acute stroke with basilar artery occlusion. Dr. Greg Hundley: Very nice, Carolyn. Well, my next paper comes to us from the world of pre-clinical science. And Carolyn, as we know, pulmonary hypertension can be caused by chronic hypoxia, leading to hyperproliferation of pulmonary arterial smooth muscle cells, and apoptosis-resistant pulmonary microvascular endothelial cells. And then, upon re-exposure to normoxia chronic hypoxia induced pulmonary hypertension in mice, is reversible. So in this study, the authors led by Dr. Christine Veith, from Justus Liebig University in Giessen, aimed to identify novel candidate genes involved in pulmonary vascular remodeling, specifically, in the pulmonary vasculature. Dr. Carolyn Lam: Ah, a very interesting and important topic. So what, or how, did they do this, Greg? Dr. Greg Hundley: Right, Carolyn. So following a microarray analysis, the investigative team assessed the role of secreted protein, acidic, and rich in cysteine, or SPARC, using lung tissue from idiopathic pulmonary arterial hypertension patients, as well as from chronic hypoxic mice. In this experiment, the mice were exposed to normoxia, chronic hypoxia, or chronic hypoxia with subsequent re-exposure to normoxia, at different time points Dr. Carolyn Lam: Okay, so what were the results? Dr. Greg Hundley: Okay, Carolyn, the big drum roll. So the microarray analysis of the pulmonary vascular compartment, after laser micro dissection, identified SPARC as one of the genes down-regulated at all reoxygenation time points that were investigated. Intriguingly, SPARC was vice versa, up-regulated in lungs, during development of hypoxia induced pulmonary hypertension in mice, as well as in idiopathic pulmonary hypertension. Although, SPARC plasma levels were not elevated in pulmonary hypertension. Dr. Greg Hundley: Transforming growth factor, or TGF-beta 1, or hypoxia induced factor to a signaling pathways, induced SPARC expression in human pulmonary arterial smooth muscle cells. In loss of function studies, SPARC silencing enhanced apoptosis, and reduced proliferation. And so Carolyn, in conclusion, these authors provide evidence for the involvement of SPARC in the pathogenesis of human pulmonary hypertension, and chronic hypoxia induced pulmonary hypertension in mice, most probably, by affecting vascular cell function. Dr. Carolyn Lam: Wow. Thanks for that, Greg. Well, let me give a tour of what else there is in today's issue. There's a letter from Dr. Ng on could cardiologists support, improve, the cardiovascular risk of GnRH agonists. There's a Case Series, by Dr. Blumer, on [entitled] Hemophagocytic Lymphohistiocytosis Associated with Endocarditis: A Case Years in the Making.” There's a Perspective piece by Dr. Hillis on [entitled], Is Asymptomatic Severe Aortic Stenosis Still a Waiting Game?” Dr. Greg Hundley: And Carolyn, from the mailbag, we have a Research Letter, from Professor McFadyen entitled, Inherited Thrombophilias are Associated with a Higher Risk of COVID-19 Associated Venous Thromboembolism, a Prospective Population Based Cohort Study. Dr. Greg Hundley: Well, now onto that perspective and discussion from two viewpoints on xenotransplantation. Dr. Carolyn Lam: Xenotransplantation. Cool. Let's go. Dr. Greg Hundley: Well welcome everyone, to this feature discussion. And today, we're taking a little bit of a, different tact, and we are going to discuss a perspective piece. As you know, usually we will discuss an original article, but we have a perspective. And we have with us, the two authors that created this perspective. Dr. Jane Farr from UT Southwestern, in Dallas, Texas, and Dr. Josef Stehlik, from University of Utah. Welcome to you both. Dr. Greg Hundley: And listeners, our discussion today is on cardiac xenotransplantation, taking a heart from another species and implanting it in a human subject. So Josef, we'll start with you. Could you tell us a little bit about the history of cardiac xenotransplantation, and what are some of the obstacles that have to be overcome, if we're considering performing this procedure in a patient? Dr. Josef Stehlik: Greg, thank you for that question. The concept of xenotransplantation has been around for a long time, with the biggest attraction being, a large and ideally safe source of organs for our patients. As far as cardiac xenotransplantation, the first human art xenotransplant was done in 1964, in a man with terminal heart failure, who received a chimpanzee heart at the University of Mississippi. Dr. Josef Stehlik: The patient didn't survive the surgery, and the way it was done back then, brought up a number of ethical issues, and other issues as well. And so, the next xenotransplant was not done until 1984, in a neonate with hypoplastic left heart syndrome, at Loma Linda University. You might have heard the term, Baby Fae, before. And this infant survived about 20 days, and so we couldn't consider it, long term success. However, these two first xenotransplant brought up some important issues that would be studied for years to come. And I think, that the biggest lesson was that, the intra-species immune barriers were a formidable obstacle, and that really, new technologies, and then new medications, would probably have to come into the clinical arena, before we could do it again. Dr. Greg Hundley: Very nice. Well listeners, now we're going to turn to our second author on this particular paper. And Jane, can you describe some of the circumstances pertaining to this most recent cardiac xenotransplantation? What transpired, and what's been the outcome with that individual? Dr. Maryjane Farr: Thanks, Greg. And thanks for having us here on this program today. So the circumstance around this particular groundbreaking transplant was such that, there was a critically ill patient. This man who was in cardiogenic shock. Both sides of his heart were not working. He was on life saving temporary mechanical support with VA ECMO. And he unfortunately, despite his cardiogenic shock, he was not eligible for standard allotransplantation. Dr. Maryjane Farr: Part of that story was really about, not meeting standard criteria for organ transplantation, probably just about anywhere, in terms of a long history of, maybe not taking his meds, or taking care of himself. And there's, certain criteria that he didn't fit into. And he actually had been assessed, as I understand it, by a number of programs, before the University of Maryland approached him with this possibility. Dr. Maryjane Farr: One other option that could have been taken, was a mechanical circulatory assist device. But as I say, both sides of his heart were not working, and so really, total cardiac replacement was really his only option. Dr. Greg Hundley: And so Jane, do we know anything about what happened? How did the surgical procedure go? Do we know anything about the outcomes? Dr. Maryjane Farr: This is of course, patient privacy. So what we know is really, what's in the public arena. And it's actually, there's been a lot of transparency, which has been terrific, by the patient, and the family, and the doctors, because this is such groundbreaking information. But this patient was truly critically ill. There was some paperwork done to try to get FDA approval for emergency experimental surgery, with xenotransplantation. And of course, all the research at University of Maryland, and in many other centers, nationally, and internationally, have been done over the years. And so finally, there was an approval to do this, and it was basically a scheduled surgery. Dr. Maryjane Farr: And as I understand it, it went just like any other transplant surgery. There was obviously, a procurement team for the genetically modified pig. There was cold storage of the device. Transport, at least as far as to the next operating room, or however it went. And then, standard implantation, and release of cross clamp, and perfusion. And at least by what you can read about, the heart started to work almost immediately. And then of course, I think that's the easy part. It was really all the intense and multi blockade immunosuppressive therapy, which is really, the challenge of this type of therapy. Dr. Greg Hundley: Very nice. Well, Josef, Jane's alluded to this a little bit, but who would be a candidate for this therapeutic, this form of therapy? Dr. Josef Stehlik: Greg, so that's an excellent question. And I would like to address it. Before I do that, maybe we should also mention, very briefly, a little bit of the science behind the genetically engineered pig, that Jane mentioned. Dr. Josef Stehlik: There were three main things that have been done, and what enabled that is gene editing. And here, I would like to actually mention Dr. Mario Capecchi, who received a Nobel Prize in 2007, for his groundbreaking work at the University of Utah, by describing mouse gene knockout. That has been part of what has been used for engineering, of course, in newer approaches, like CRISPR. Dr. Josef Stehlik: Some of the things that have been done is that, the highly antigenic carbohydrates that pigs have on their cell surface, have been edited out. There have been genes that have been edited out and in, connected to coagulation and compliment, to prevent clotting and bleeding in the organ and the recipient after transplant. Dr. Josef Stehlik: And of course, one thing that it's very relevant also to our COVID pandemic, there has always, with xenotransplantation, been a question. Could there be trans-species infection? And pigs do have endogenous retroviruses that are parts of their genome, and those have been edited out as well. And so in this way, some of the previous obstacles have been removed. Dr. Josef Stehlik: So to your question, who might be a candidate? And I absolutely agree with Jane, that in the first step, it should really be patients who are not candidates for other clinically approved approaches, like allotransplantation from human donors, or mechanical assist, that can be durable, and those are the characteristics that the patient met. And I think, the next patients that will come now, hopefully, will probably be in the same category. Dr. Josef Stehlik: Now, I believe, and again, this is a little bit of a speculation, that the next step will be patients who are not eligible for transplant, but who may be eligible for durable ventricular assist devices. And our goal will be to show, that survival and quality of life after xenotransplantation can approach survival and quality of life, on LVADs. And of course, LVADs are evolving, as well. Dr. Josef Stehlik: And then, to some degree, it might be the choice of the recommendation of the team, of the multidisciplinary team. What is the best match for the patient? And to some degree, I think patient preference, to really share decision making in patient preference. Dr. Josef Stehlik: And in the next step, I believe, that's what we are hoping for, that at some point, we will achieve is that, xenotransplant will rival the outcomes of human allotransplantation. And so, that will be probably, the next group of patients. How long this will take is to be seen. But I think, that it addresses your question, who could be the candidates for xenotransplant in the future? Dr. Greg Hundley: Very good. And Jane, Josef was touching on a topic here. How do the anti-rejection treatments differ in xenotransplantation, as compared to allograft transplantation? Dr. Maryjane Farr: And so, that's been the thing for all these decades. And so, the first thing is, genetically engineered xenotransplant organs, that can mitigate some of the anticipated xenoantigenic responses. Dr. Maryjane Farr: So first, these carbohydrates that we do not see, so they are foreign to us, so there can be acute fulminant rejection. So that's, one step, and the gene knockout can take care of that mostly, but not completely. And then there's humeral rejection, and then, cellular rejection. Dr. Maryjane Farr: The cocktail that gets put together for a xenotransplant includes, some of the things that we standardly use, like steroids, ATGAM, or antithymocyte globulin, which is a generalized T and B-cell depleting therapy. What's nuanced, and there's also some role for anti-CD20 B-cell therapy, but what it is nuanced in xenotransplant is anti-CD40 monoclonal antibody therapy. And that was specifically developed, and then studied in heterotopics, or non-human primate pig transplant. Because what turns out is that, the robust T-cell responses, by what's called the indirect pathway, really requires significant costimulatory blockade, where anti-CD40 therapy has been critically important, and well studied by these scientists and others at the University of Maryland, and elsewhere. Dr. Maryjane Farr: And as I understand it, anti-CD40 was really, is the basis, the backbone, of this therapy. And then there's one last thing. And that is, temsirolimus, which is a pro drug of proliferation signal inhibitor therapy, that we standardly use in transplant. That's utilized to arrest the further growth of the xenotransplant. So that sounds like it's the cocktail, and there's some published reports, on these scientists using just such cocktail in their non-human primate transplant models. Dr. Greg Hundley: Well, listeners, we've heard a really interesting story here. But now, let's ask these experts, first, Josef, and then, Jane. Josef, moving forward, what are the concerns that you really see in this aspect of research? Dr. Josef Stehlik: Greg, I think, one of the issues that will have to be addressed, are ethical considerations. And we've seen, that after the news of xenotransplant was made public, there has been a lot of discussion among public about ethics of xenotransplant. I think it will be important to really proactively address that. Dr. Josef Stehlik: One aspect from the past is, we knew that primate xenotransplant have not been embraced by the public, just because of the closeness of primates to humans. I think, some of that will be mitigated, now that we are using pigs. But of course, there are many who feel strongly about humane treatment of animals. And so I think, regulation will need to be established that will address that, and that will make both the professionals and the wary public, comfortable with this approach. Dr. Josef Stehlik: And another thing that will need to be addressed, and Jane talked about it a little bit is, what parts of care for xenotransplant will be different from human allotransplant. Right? So how do the assessment of the biopsies differ? Right? We'll probably have a new grading scheme looking at xenotransplant. Should the antimicrobial prophylaxis be different? So we do prevent the possibility of trans-species infections we haven't seen before, et cetera. So there would be a lot of work for the transplant teams to do, as well. Dr. Greg Hundley: And, Jane. Dr. Maryjane Farr: Yes. One thing that's hard, this is amazing science, and this is a huge opportunity to transplant more patients, many of whom die on the wait list every year. But what really needs to be understood also, as we move into this area, and this is where us, as clinicians, get involved in some of these conversations in particular, is that this patient actually wasn't eligible for transplant. And these are very, very difficult decisions that centers are tasked to make. Dr. Maryjane Farr: It can get really tricky, and there's lots of patients who say, "Okay, I'm not a transplant candidate.", because of this or that, or the other reason. And there's, some reasons that are more important than others. They'll say, "Transplant me anyway. Give me a heart that you might turn down. Just give me a chance." And we don't do that. And insurance companies don't pay for that. And we have to actually find a way to be rational in our approach. Dr. Maryjane Farr: But truly, acknowledging that, if we had more resources, we could probably expand transplant even with the organs that we do have, because we turn down about, probably about 40% of organs, and maybe even more, every year, because we want to match the best organs. So it's really important that xenotransplant, in centers that can do this, demonstrate that this therapy works, and it provides a good quality and quantity of life, for at least, to be reasonable. And once you get there, then you can start to talk about, whether you need to think about allocation, and all that. So you can see how the conversation's going to go on for the next 10 years, about how this fits in. Dr. Greg Hundley: You both alluded to the fact, we need more research. And so, incrementally, for maybe each of you in 30 seconds. What do you see as the next research study that needs to be performed in this space? First, Josef, and then again, Jane. Dr. Josef Stehlik: That's a tough question, but I'll try to address it. I think, it will be a little bit in parallel to the first human allotransplant. Now that we've figured out the procedure and the organ that we can use, I think, it will be research focused on the care of the transplant recipient. And the task, number one, will be to identify immunosuppression that will be safe and effective, to protect this heart from dysfunction for many years after transplant. Dr. Greg Hundley: And Jane? Dr. Maryjane Farr: Yeah. You need to do a case series. The handful of centers in this country, and maybe the world, but I only know about this country, that have been studying and working towards this day, should take the lead. University of Maryland has taken the lead, and there are other centers who have been thinking hard about this, and preparing for this time for a long time, and they should lead the way, and try to do this with all the expertise that they've already built. And then as time passes, we can see what their outcomes are, and then we can start to think about, should there be a randomized controlled clinical trial? What should we compare it against? Who should be offered the opportunity? But at first, we need to find that there's safety and efficacy in the patients that are selected, and also, they themselves select, to go through this operation and therapy. Dr. Greg Hundley: Well listeners, we want to thank Dr. Jane Farr and Dr. Josef Stehlik, for providing their perspective on a recent procedure, involving the xenotransplantation of a genetically engineered porcine heart, into a human subject with advanced biventricular heart failure, that was not well suited for human heart allograft transplantation. Dr. Greg Hundley: Well, on behalf of Carolyn and myself, we want to wish you a great week, and we will catch you next week On the Run. Dr. Greg Hundley: This program is copyright of the American Heart Association, 2022. The opinions expressed by speakers in this podcast are their own, and not necessarily, those of the editors, or of the American Heart Association. For more, please visit ahajournals.org.

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Today’s episode discusses issues pertaining to the management of ST-elevation myocardial infarction in low and middle-income countries. Dr Carolyn Lam and Dr Greg Hundley also discuss the following: Mechanism of Eccentric Cardiomyocyte Hypertrophy Secondary to Severe Mitral Regurgitation by Sadek et al. Autoantibody Signature in Cardiac Arrest by Li et al. Cardiovascular Risk of Isolated Systolic or Diastolic Hypertension in Young Adults by Kim et al. TRANSCRIPT Dr Carolyn Lam: Welcome to Circulation on the Run, your weekly podcast summary and backstage pass to The Journal and its editors. I'm Dr Carolyn Lam, associate editor from the National Heart Center and Duke National University of Singapore. Dr Greg Hundley: And I'm Dr Greg Hundley, associate editor from the Pauley Heart Center at VCU Health in Richmond, Virginia. Well, Carolyn, our feature article this week is a little bit different from what we've done in the past with original manuscripts, we're going to focus on issues pertaining to the management of ST-elevation myocardial infarction in low- and middle-income countries. Oh my Carolyn, there's so many different things to consider. There are knowledge gaps, how we manage patients, how we get from one center to another, even just defining those centers. And this could be a very nice blueprint for future governments to use in managing these patients. But before we get to that feature, how about we have a little bit of a chat on some of the other articles in the issue? Dr Carolyn Lam: You bet, Greg. Now, have you ever wondered why do some but not all patients with severe aortic stenosis develop otherwise unexplained reduced systolic function? Dr Greg Hundley: Yes, I have Carolyn. And I wonder if it happens to do with one of our favorite magnetic resonance spectroscopy measurements, including creatine kinase. Dr Carolyn Lam: You are just too smart, Greg Hundley! Dr Greg Hundley: I had the opportunity to manage this one through the whole editorial board review. Dr Carolyn Lam: Well, Dr Ryder and colleagues from University of Oxford hypothesized that reduce creatine kinase capacity and or flux would be associated with the transition to reduce systolic function in severe aortic stenosis. So they looked at 102 participants recruited into five groups. One, those with moderate stenosis. Two, severe aortic stenosis with ejection fraction above 55%. Three, severe aortic stenosis with ejection fraction less than 55%. Four, healthy volunteers with non-hypertrophied hearts with normal systolic function. And five, patients with non-hypertrophied, non-pressure loaded hearts with normal systolic function who are undergoing cardiac surgery and donating left ventricular biopsies. Now, all these groups underwent CMR, cardiac magnetic resonance imaging, and 31 phosphorous magnetic resonance spectroscopy from myocardial energetics. And they also had left ventricular biopsies. So Greg, I know you know what they found, and so let me lunge right into it. They found that total creatine kinase capacity was reduced in severe aortic stenosis with median values lowest in those with systolic failure, consistent with reduced energy supply reserve. Despite this, in vivo magnetic resonance spectroscopy measures of resting creatine kinase flux suggested that ATP delivery was reduced earlier at the moderate aortic stenosis stage, but where left ventricular functions still remain preserved. These findings thus suggest that significant energetic impairment is already established in moderate aortic stenosis and a fall in creatine kinase flux is not per se the cause of transition to systolic failure. However, as ATP demands increase with aortic stenosis severity, this could increase susceptibility to systolic failure. As such, targeting creatine kinase capacity and our flux may be a new therapeutic strategy to prevent or treat systolic failure in aortic stenosis. Dr Greg Hundley: Very nice, Carolyn. That is a very challenging explanation. And boy, you walked us through it just perfectly. And I'm so glad you're here as an expert in heart failure and transplantation to get us through this next quiz. So Carolyn, can you name several of the primary causes of heart transplant related mortality? Dr Carolyn Lam: All right. Rejection, infection, malignancy and allograph vasculopathy, of course. Dr Greg Hundley: Thank you very much, Carolyn. What a wonderful job. So this paper comes from Dr Alexandra Loupy, and the study focused on the etiology of transplant related vasculopathy, the last one that you just named, from a population-based perspective. So 1,310 heart transplant recipients from four academic centers spread across Europe and the United States underwent prospective protocol-based monitoring consisting of repeated coronary angiographies together with systematic assessments of clinical histological and immunological parameters. The main outcome was prediction for cardiac allograph vasculopathy trajectory. Dr Carolyn Lam: Interesting. So what did they find? Dr Greg Hundley: So Carolyn, over a median follow-up post-transplant of about six and a half years, 4,710 coronary angiograms were analyzed, and four distinct profiles for allograph vasculopathy trajectories were observed. These four trajectories were characterized by one, patients without allograph vasculopathy at one year and non-progression over time. And that was about 56% of the patients. Second, patients without allograph vasculopathy at one year and late onset slow allograph vasculopathy progression. And that was about seven and a half percent of patients. Third, patients with mild allograph vasculopathy at one year and mild progression over time. And that was about 23% of patients. And finally, a fourth category, patients with mild allograph vasculopathy at one year and accelerated progression. And that was about 13% of patients. Dr Carolyn Lam: Huh? So what most predictive? Dr Greg Hundley: Well Carolyn, six early independent predictors of these trajectories were identified. One, donor age. Second, donor male gender. Third, if the donor used tobacco. Fourth, recipient dyslipidemia. Fifth, class two anti-HLA donor-specific antibodies. And finally, acute cellular rejection greater than 2R. The four allograft trajectories manifested consistently in the US independent cohort with similar discrimination, and in different clinical scenarios, and showed gradients for all caused mortality. Dr Carolyn Lam: Wow. Okay. So what's the take home message, Greg? Dr Greg Hundley: Well, because this study identified these four trajectories and their respective independent predictive variables, they provide the basis for a trajectory-base assessment of heart transplant patients for early risk stratification. And therefore, we might be able to develop monitoring strategies and form clinical trials around those to determine the efficacy of perhaps these predictive models. Dr Carolyn Lam: Thanks. Okay. Well, this next paper focuses on Tet-methylcytosine dioxygenase 2, or TET2. Dr Greg Hundley: Carolyn, what is that? Dr Carolyn Lam: Well, I'm glad you asked me before I asked you. So TET2 is a key enzyme in DNA demethylation. And the gene TET2 encodes an epigenetic regulator that demethylates cytosine. Somatic mutations of TET2 occur in cardiovascular disease and are associated with clonal hematopoiesis inflammation and at first vascular remodeling. The current paper by Dr Archer from Queens University Kingston in Ontario, Canada, and colleagues, is novel because it's the first to examine the role of TET2 in pulmonary arterial hypertension. And they did this by evaluating exome sequencing data from the largest PAH cohort assembled to date, including 2,572 patients in the PAH Biobank. Unlike prior genetic studies, the biobank includes patients with associated PAH. Now, this is important. This is the category that includes patients with connective tissue disease such as scleroderma. This biobank also included non-European ancestry. So these are the novel aspects. The authors performed gene-specific rare variant association analyses using up to 1,832 cases of European origin from the PAH Biobank, and transcriptomic analysis in an independent cohort to assess TET2 expression. Dr Greg Hundley: Carolyn, so what did they find regarding to TET2? Dr Carolyn Lam: In the entire cohort, they identified 12 predicted deleterious variants of TET2 novel to PAH. 75% predicted germline and 25% predicted somatic variants. None of the variant carriers were responsive to acute vasodilator challenge. Now, this is the first time that putative germline TET2 mutations have been associated with a human disease. They also identify ubiquitous downregulation of the expression of TET2 in the peripheral blood mononuclear cells of idiopathic PAH and associated PAH patients. Finally, they evaluated TET2 depleted mice and demonstrated that they spontaneously developed inflammation, pulmonary vascular obliteration and pulmonary hypertension, thus providing biological plausibility that disorders in this pathway can indeed cause PAH. This is discussed in an editorial by Dr Soubrier from INSERM, entitled, TET2: A Bridge Between DNA Methylation and Vascular Inflammation. Dr Greg Hundley: Oh wow, Carolyn. Well, let me tell you about a couple other articles in our issue. First, Dr Amr Abbas has a letter to the editor regarding actuarial versus echocardiographic outcomes following TAVR, evaluating gradients, leaks, areas and mortality with responses by Flavin Vincent and from Laurent Fauchier. We have Dr Miguel A. Arias again presenting another EKG challenge for us. Next, professor Giovanni Esposito has a research letter involving PCI rates for ACS during this COVID-19 pandemic. Next, Dan Roden from Vanderbilt has a consensus report related to QTC prolongation during the coronavirus pandemic. And finally, professor Marco Roffi has an on my mind piece related to STEMI and COVID-19 pandemics. Dr Carolyn Lam: Oh, there is a series of on my mind papers in this week's issue. “The Future of Cardiovascular Prevention: Unprecedented Times,” by Laurence Sperling. “Primary and Secondary Prevention Of Cardiovascular Disease in the Era of Coronavirus Pandemic,” by Erin Michos. “Reperfusion of STEMI in the COVID-19 Era: Is it Business as Usual?” by Dharam Kumbhani. And finally, we also have a research letter by Dr Lili Jong, addressing immune checkpoint inhibitors which are increasingly applied to a broader range of cancers and their potential toxicity causing myocarditis. And this letter describes the association of timing and dose of cortical steroids in immune checkpoint inhibitor associated myocarditis and cardiac outcomes. Dr Greg Hundley: How about we discuss how we might want to manage ST-elevation myocardial infarctions in low- and middle-income countries? Dr Carolyn Lam: You bet. Let's go, Greg. Dr Greg Hundley: Well listeners, now we get to turn to our feature article. And we're very privileged today to have Dr Chandrashekhar from The University of Minnesota. And he and a large group of authors have put together a paper discussing the resources and infrastructure really necessary to manage ST-elevation myocardial infarction in low- and middle-income countries. Welcome Chandra. So we're going to call him Chandra for short as he is known internationally. Chandra, can you tell us a little bit about this prevalence of STEMI in low- and middle-income countries, and then also about the constitution of your writing group and what you were trying to do to address this issue? Dr Chandrashekhar: The issue we are trying to address is, as you know, the low- and middle-income countries, there are about 80 plus countries constituting this group, and they account for something like 5.8 billion people around the world. And it's so interesting that 80% of the MIs that happen on the face of this earth are probably happening there, in areas which don't have resources to effectively deal with this condition, unlike the US or European countries and developed countries. So this group got together to create some outlines of how to optimize care in low- and middle-income countries. And we got together groups which have extensive experience in dealing with this problem. It was a coalition of frontline clinicians as well as major organizations, including the Indian Council of Medical Research, the premier research body in India, a public health foundation of India which is a nongovernmental organization extensively involved in this, The Population Health Research Institute in Canada, the Latin America Telemedicine Infarct Network called LATIN, The Pan African Society of Cardiology and The South African Society of Cardiac Interventions, and an NGO in India called STEMI India. So we took experienced people from a number of different countries and created this group. Dr Greg Hundley: Very good. Now, were there knowledge gaps or implementation gaps, maybe help distinguish those two terms for us, that you had to address when just starting your effort? Dr Chandrashekhar: Yeah, absolutely. So let's start with the knowledge gap. As you know, there are excellent guidelines both in the United States, as well as Europe. Of course, there are STEMI guidelines in the UK and Australia and New Zealand, but these guidelines are not very applicable to low and middle income countries due to a number of reasons, due to porosity of resources, due to poverty, overcrowding, lack of infrastructure, and a bunch of other reasons that you can imagine. So if we recommend somebody needs total balloon time under certain threshold, it's nearly impossible to meet this in most places in the low- and middle-income countries. And so there is a significant amount of implementation gap as well as knowledge gap, because the guidelines that are tailored to Western societies don't fit very easily in low- and middle-income countries. It's like fitting a round peg in a square hole. So that's why we thought we should create something very focused, right? And there are implementation gaps in the sense infrastructure-based as well as resource-based. And knowledge gaps, for example, we don't know what the dose of dual antiplatelet therapy is optimal in these patients, for example, ticagrelor may have a higher effect in some Asian populations with small body habitus. Similarly, as you know, statin doses, especially in the far east are much lower than what are prescribed here. So these are the kinds of challenges that we are applying and try to suggest some solutions. Dr Greg Hundley: It sounds like definitions could differ, management strategies could differ, pharmacologic versus invasive, even centers that would manage the patients. Can you describe some of those issues for us? Dr Chandrashekhar: Right. So that was the biggest challenge we had. So we had to create some resource infrastructure appropriate management paradigms for low- and middle-income countries. To give you an example, primary PCI, which is something we take for granted within our milieu, if you think about it, you and I probably didn't give thrombolytic therapy in the last 15 years. So this is a day-to-day thing in low- and middle-income countries. Most of the patients either they come so late that they don't get any reperfusion therapy for STEMI, or if they do, thrombolytic therapy is are very common mode of treatment there. And so we had to create a way for them to get the optimized care. And so we divided the localities into different levels, from level one to level five. Level one being the most remote area and five being the one which is most equipped and can implement all the Western standards and guidelines. And so we suggest a system of hub and spoke to transfer people from the smaller centers to the big centers, and outline what therapies need to be done at what stage. And one of the things that we emphasize so much is called pharmaco-invasive therapy, where you give thrombolytic therapy if you cannot reach a PCI center in time, and then in the next three to 24 hours, you transport the patient to a center where they can do PCI. And this has been studied in a number of trials showing that it's a very effective strategy. And so these are the kinds of solutions that we try to emphasize. Dr Greg Hundley: And how about the patients themselves and the doctors that would implement, in terms of education, does your document cover how to reach out to both patients and physicians in these countries to emphasize these new protocols that you and your group have developed? Dr Chandrashekhar: Absolutely. That's the crucial issue, right? No matter how many guidelines we create, if we can't implement it, they're useless, right? And so we have two parts to this guideline. There's a section devoted to governmental agencies as well as NGOs interested in improving care, STEMI care in low and middle income countries, as well as a section for frontline clinicians, which includes very focused flashcards with definitions and what exactly each level of this center in the hub and spoke model should be doing and how do they transport patients and how do they ensure that adequate pharmacotherapy is instituted? And so we keep repeating this and we also provide some other options of how to communicate with the hub facilities, from the spoke facilities, including use of mobile and social media apps like WhatsApp. Dr Greg Hundley: Do you have certain recommendations that physicians in the field and patients at home should be aware of, for example, administration of aspirin and things like that? Dr Chandrashekhar: Absolutely. These are all codified in flashcards, which are going to be printed for distribution to the frontline physicians. And they are also created as wall posters and plastered in this peripheral health centers where essentially the only thing they may have is an old EKG machine and a few drugs like aspirin. And so we have tried to cater to each of this, both in the informational material and what basic pharmacotherapies and equipment these centers should be having. And that's where the governmental part comes. So when governments have to decide how they invest their scarce dollars, they can divide it appropriately based on these recommendations. Dr Greg Hundley: I like that last statement, it sounds like in addition to physicians and patients that your document may even be useful for governments and organizations delivering the care in these countries, do you want to talk a little bit about where you think this document may go next in that regard? Dr Chandrashekhar: The best use of this document would be for agencies in different parts of the countries to take this up. And at the last count, there are at least five or six governments which are actively looking at the blueprint that is provided from this document, and to see what parts of this are locally implementable within their environment. And eventually, if it appears that it's applicable to multiple jurisdictions, then perhaps something like WHO could take this and modify it suitably for different localities. We see a lot of potential in this. Dr Greg Hundley: Well, we are very privileged to have the opportunity to publish this important work. And I wonder here, just in closing, on behalf of your entire author group, are there any words you'd like to leave us with regarding this just monumental effort? Dr Chandrashekhar: The thing that we can say is we should thank Circulation and its editorial board for working with us. It went through, I think, three revisions and it really made the document much better. And we really thank all of you for allowing us this platform. As you know, this is going to reach a huge part of the medical establishment as an open access article. And hopefully it will help us implement some progressive changes in healthcare in the low- and middle-income countries. And so we really thank Circulation for providing us this platform. Dr Greg Hundley: Well, listeners, we're going to wrap up here and we're most appreciative to Chandra from The University of Minnesota and his entire author group. On behalf of Carolyn and myself, we wish you a great week and look forward to chatting with you next week. This program is copyright to The American Heart Association, 2020.  

Jane Ferguson:                  Hi there. Welcome to Getting Personal: Omics of the Heart, the podcast from Circulation: Genomic and Precision Medicine. I'm Jane Ferguson, and this is Episode 36 from February 2020.                                                 First up, we have “Identification of Circulating Proteins Associated with Blood Pressure Using Mendelian Randomization” from Sébastien Thériault, Guillaume Paré, and colleagues from McMaster University in Ontario. They set out to assess whether they could identify protein biomarkers of hypertension using a Mendelian randomization approach. They analyzed data from a genome-wide association study of 227 biomarkers which were profiled on a custom Luminex-based platform in over 4,000 diabetic or prediabetic participants of the origin trial.                                                 They constructed genetic predictors of each protein and then used these as instruments for Mendelian randomization. They obtained systolic and diastolic blood pressure measurements in almost 70,000 individuals, in addition to mean arterial pressure and pulse pressure in over 74,000 individuals, all European ancestry with GWAS data, as part of the International Consortium for Blood Pressure.                                                 Out of the 227 biomarkers tested, six of them were significantly associated with blood pressure traits by Mendelian randomization after correction for multiple testing. These included known biomarkers such as NT-proBNP, but also novel associations including urokinase-type plasminogen activator, adrenomedullin, interleukin-16, cellular fibronectin and insulin-like growth factor binding protein-3. They validated all of the associations apart from IL-16 in over 300,000 participants in UK Biobank. They probed associations with other cardiovascular risk markers and found that NT-proBNP associated with large artery atherosclerotic stroke, IGFBP3 associated with diabetes, and CFN associated with body mass index.                                                 This study identified novel biomarkers of blood pressure, which may be causal in hypertension. Further study of the underlying mechanisms is required to understand whether these could be useful therapeutic targets in hypertensive disease.                                                 The next paper comes from Sony Tuteja, Dan Rader, Jay Giri and colleagues from the University of Pennsylvania and it's entitled, “Prospective CYP2C19 Genotyping to Guide Antiplatelet Therapy Following Percutaneous Coronary Intervention: A Pragmatic Randomized Clinical Trial”.                                                 They designed a pharmacode genomic trial to assess effects of CYP2C19 genotyping on antiplatelet therapy following PCI. Because loss of function alleles in CYP2C19 impair the effectiveness of clopidogrel, the team were interested in understanding whether knowledge of genotype status would affect prescribing in a clinical setting. They randomized 504 participants to genotype guided or usual care groups and assessed the rate of prasugrel or ticagrelor prescribing in place of clopidogrel within each arm. As a secondary outcome, they assessed whether prescribers adhere to genotype guided recommendations. Of genotyped individuals, 28% carried loss of function alleles. Within the genotype guided group overall, there was higher use of prasugrel or ticagrelor with these being prescribed to 30% of patients compared with only 21% in the usual care group. Within genotype individuals carrying loss of function alleles, 53% were started on prasugrel or ticagrelor, demonstrating some adherence to genotype guided recommendations.                                                 However, this also meant that 47% of people whose genotype suggested reduced effectiveness were nevertheless prescribed clopidogrel. This study highlights that even when genotype information is available, interventional cardiologists consider clinical factors such as disease presentation and may weight these more highly than genotype information when selecting antiplatelet therapy following PCI.                                                 The next paper is about “Deep Mutational Scan of an SCN5A Voltage Sensor and comes to us from Andrew Glazer, Dan Roden and colleagues from Vanderbilt University Medical Center. In this paper, the team aim to characterize the functional consequences of variants and the S4 voltage sensor of domain IV and the SCN5A gene using a high throughput method that they developed. SCN5A encodes the major voltage gated sodium channel in the heart and variants in SCN5A can cause multiple distinct genetic arrhythmia syndromes, including Brugada syndrome, long QT syndrome, atrial fibrillation, and dilated cardiomyopathy, and have been linked to sudden cardiac death.                                                 Because of this, there's considerable interest in understanding the functional and clinical consequences of different variants, but previous approaches were time consuming and results were often inconclusive with many variants being classified as uncertain significance. This newly developed deep mutational scanning approach allows for simultaneous assessment of the function of thousands of variants, making it much more efficient than low throughput patch clamping. The team assessed the function of 248 variants using a triple drug assay in HEK293T cells expressing each variant and they identified 40 putative gain of function and 33 putative loss of function variants. They successfully validated eight of nine of these by patch clamping data. Their study highlights the effectiveness of this deep mutational scanning approach for investigating variants in the cardiac sodium channel SCN5A gene and suggests that this may also be an effective approach for investigating putative disease variants and other ion channels.                                                 The next article is a research letter from Connor Emdin, Amit Khera, and colleagues from Mass General Hospital in the Broad Institute entitled, “Genome-Wide Polygenic Score and Cardiovascular Outcomes with Evacetrapib in Patients with High-Risk Vascular Disease: A Nested Case-Control Study”. In this study, the team set out to probe the utility of using polygenic risk scores to predict the risk of major adverse cardiovascular events within individuals already known to be at high cardiovascular risk and to assess whether genetic scores can identify individuals who would benefit from the use of a CETP inhibitor such as Evacetrapib. They analyze data from the ACCELERATE trial which had tested Evacetrapib in a high risk population, and they found no effect on the incidents of major adverse cardiovascular events overall. Within a nested case-control sample of individuals experiencing major CVD events versus no events, they applied a polygenic risk score and found that the score predicted major cardiovascular events.                                                 Patients in the highest quintile of the risk score were at 60% higher risk of a major cardiovascular event than patients in the lowest quintile. There was no evidence of any interaction between the genetic risk score and Evacetrapib. These data suggest that genetic risk scores may have utility in identifying individuals at high risk events but may not have utility in identifying individuals who may derive more benefit from CETP inhibition. The next letter concerns “Epigenome-Wide Association Study Identifies a Novel DNA Methylation in Patients with Severe Aortic Valve Stenosis” and comes from Takahito Nasu, Mamoru Satoh, Makoto Sasaki and colleagues from Iwate Medical University in Japan. They were interested in understanding whether differences in DNA methylation could underlie the risk of aortic valve stenosis. They conducted an EWAS or epigenome-wide association study of peripheral blood mononuclear cells or PBMCs from 44 individuals with aortic stenosis and 44 disease free controls.                                                 They collected samples at baseline before a surgical intervention in the individuals with aortic stenosis and collected a follow-up sample one year later. They found that DNA methylation at a site on chromosome eight mapping to the TRIB1, or tribbles homolog one gene, was lower in the aortic stenosis group than in the controls at baseline. They replicated the association in an independent sample of 50 cases and 50 controls. TRIB1 MRNA levels were higher in the aortic stenosis group than the controls. When they looked at methylation status one year after aortic valve replacement or a transcatheter aortic valve implantation in patients with stenosis, they found that DNA methylation had increased in the cases while TRIB1 MRNA decreased. These data suggests that methylation status of TRIB1 and expression of TRIB1 may relate to the disease processes in aortic stenosis such as hemodynamic dysregulation and they can be reversed through surgical intervention. Changes in the methylation status of TRIB1 could be a novel biomarker of response to aortic valve replacement.                                                 The next letter comes from Niels Grote Beverborg, Pim van der Harst, and colleagues from University Medical Center Groningen and is entitled, “Genetically Determined High Levels of Iron Parameters Are Protective for Coronary Artery Disease”. Their study addresses the conflicting hypotheses that high iron status is either deleterious or protective against cardiovascular disease. The team constructed genetic predictors of serum iron status using 11 previously identified snips and tested the genetic association with CAD in UK Biobank data from over 408,000 white participants. Overall, the genetic score for higher iron status was associated with protection against CAD. Ten of the snips suggested individual neutral or protective effects of higher iron status on CAD, while one iron increasing snip was associated with increased risk of disease but this was thought to be likely through an iron independent mechanism. Overall, these data suggest that a genetic predisposition to higher iron status does not increase risk of CAD and is actually protective against disease.                                                 The final letter is entitled, “Confidence Weighting for Robust Automated Measurements of Popliteal Vessel Wall MRI” and comes from Daniel Hippe, Jenq-Neng Hwang, and colleagues from the University of Washington. They were interested in assessing whether images of popliteal artery wall incidentally obtained during knee MRI as part of an osteoarthritis study could be used to study the development and progression of atherosclerosis. They developed an automated deep learning based algorithm to segment and quantify the popliteal artery wall in images obtained over 10 years in over 4,700 individuals. Their approach, which they named FRAPPE, or fully automated and robust analysis technique for popliteal artery evaluation, was able to reduce the average time required for segmentation analysis from four hours to eight minutes per image. They applied weights based on confidence for each segment to automatically improve the accuracy of aggregate measurements such as mean wall thickness or mean lumen area. Their data suggest that this automated method can rapidly generate useful information on atherosclerosis from MRI images obtained as part of other studies. When combined with other data. This approach may facilitate novel discovery in secondary analyses of existing studies in an efficient and cost effective way.                                                 And that's all for issue one of 2020. Come back next time for more of the latest papers from Circulation: Genomic and Precision Medicine. Speaker 2:                           This podcast is copyright American Heart Association 2020.  

We’re taking a break this week to spend time with our families during the Thanksgiving holiday. We’ll be back with a new episode on December 13, 2019. This episode was originally published on August 23, 2019. The business world is often thought of as cold and calculating. The only purpose employees serve is to make widgets and check items off a list. When push comes to shove, employees are cut loose when finances are tight. Employees are scared to reach out and ask for help for fear of being seen as weak, thought of as less, and someone else taking their job. There are those that are trying to change it. More and more are talking about building a culture of trust within their business or organization. The key things with a trust culture is the ability to be honest and vulnerable in order to make yourself, your team, and your org better. Dan Roden is one of those people and he joins Jim and Jason this week talk about what trust culture means and how to go about building one.   THANK YOU We know your time is limited, so it means a lot to us that you would spend some of your time with us. If you have found this episode to be valuable, we would appreciate if you would share using one of the social media buttons bellow    And if we are getting you hooked, don’t forget to subscribe, like, and recommend on your favorite podcast platform.   Subscribe on iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/33-tangents/id1384329330 Listen on TuneIn: https://tunein.com/podcasts/Technology-Podcasts/33-Tangents-p1129251/     WHERE TO FIND US Website: www.33sticks.com Email: Podcast@33sticks.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/33Sticks Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/33sticks/

In a recent episode, Jim and Jason talked with Dan Roden about building a culture of trust. This week Jim, Jason, and Bryant talk about another business taboo, being personal. There is a common belief that business needs to be formal, cold, and boring. Anything going on with a person outside of work should be kept there What does it mean to make business personal? Are there benefits can be seen? Why do people shy away from it?     THANK YOU We know your time is limited, so it means a lot to us that you would spend some of your time with us. If you have found this episode to be valuable, we would appreciate if you would share using one of the social media buttons bellow    And if we are getting you hooked, don’t forget to subscribe, like, and recommend on your favorite podcast platform.   Subscribe on iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/33-tangents/id1384329330 Listen on TuneIn: https://tunein.com/podcasts/Technology-Podcasts/33-Tangents-p1129251/     WHERE TO FIND US Website: www.33sticks.com Email: Podcast@33sticks.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/33Sticks Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/33sticks/  

The business world is often thought of as cold and calculating. The only purpose employees serve is to make widgets and check items off a list. When push comes to shove, employees are cut loose when finances are tight. Employees are scared to reach out and ask for help for fear of being seen as weak, thought of as less, and someone else taking their job. There are those that are trying to change it. More and more are talking about building a culture of trust within their business or organization. The key things with a trust culture is the ability to be honest and vulnerable in order to make yourself, your team, and your org better. Dan Roden is one of those people and he joins Jim and Jason this week talk about what trust culture means and how to go about building one.   THANK YOU We know your time is limited, so it means a lot to us that you would spend some of your time with us. If you have found this episode to be valuable, we would appreciate if you would share using one of the social media buttons bellow    And if we are getting you hooked, don’t forget to subscribe, like, and recommend on your favorite podcast platform.   Subscribe on iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/33-tangents/id1384329330 Listen on TuneIn: https://tunein.com/podcasts/Technology-Podcasts/33-Tangents-p1129251/     WHERE TO FIND US Website: www.33sticks.com Email: Podcast@33sticks.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/33Sticks Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/33sticks/  

Dr Carolyn Lam:                Welcome to Circulation on the Run, your weekly podcast summary and backstage pass to the journal and its editors. I'm Dr Carolyn Lam, associate editor from the National Heart Center and Duke National University of Singapore. This week's journal features two papers that deal with genetic testing in young athletes and for sudden arrhythmic death, and with findings that may surprise you. They really show the complexities of this era of genetic testing and cardiovascular medicine, and in fact are discussed as growing pains in cardiovascular genetics. You must listen to our feature discussion, which is coming right up after these summaries.                                                 The first original paper this week suggests that targeting fibronectin polymerization may be a new therapeutic strategy for treating cardiac fibrosis. Fibronectin polymerization is necessary for collagen matrix deposition and is a key contributor to increased abundance of cardiac myofibroblast following cardiac injury. In today's paper, first author Dr Valiente-Alandi, corresponding author Dr Blaxall from University of Cincinnati College of Medicine and Heart Institute, and their colleagues hypothesized that interfering with fibronectin polymerization, or its genetic ablation and fibroblasts, would attenuate myocardial fibrosis and improve cardiac function following ischemia reperfusion injury. Using mouse and human cardiac myofibroblasts, authors found that the fibronectin polymerization inhibitor pUR4 attenuated the pathological phenotype exhibited by mouse and human myofibroblasts by decreasing fibronectin polymerization and collagen deposition into the extracellular matrix as well as by myofibroblast proliferation and migration.                                                 Inhibiting fibronectin matrix deposition by pUR4 treatment or by deleting fibronectin gene expression in cardiac fibroblasts confirmed cardioprotection against ischemia reperfusion-induced injury by attenuating at first left ventricular remodeling and cardiac fibrosis, thus preserving cardiac function. In summary, interfering with fibronectin polymerization may be a new therapeutic strategy for treating cardiac fibrosis and heart failure.                                                 The Insulin Resistance Intervention after Stroke, or IRIS trial, demonstrated that pioglitazone reduced the risk of both cardiovascular events and diabetes in insulin-resistant patients. However, concern remains that pioglitazone may increase the risk of heart failure in susceptible individuals. To address this, Dr Young from Yale Cardiovascular Research Center and the IRIS investigators performed a secondary analysis of the IRIS trial. They found that older age, atrial fibrillation, hypertension, obesity, edema, high CRP, and smoking were risk factors for heart failure.                                                 Pioglitazone did not increase the risk of incident heart failure, and the effect of pioglitazone did not differ across levels of baseline risk. It should however be noted that in the IRIS trial, the study drug dose could be reduced for symptoms of edema or excessive weight gain, which occurred more often in the pioglitazone arm. Overall, pioglitazone reduced the composite outcome of stroke, MI, or hospitalized heart failure in the IRIS trial.                                                 The next study highlights the importance of genetic variation in cardiac fibrosis and suggests that while fibroblast activation is a response that parallels the extent of scar formation, proliferation may not necessarily correlate with levels of fibrosis. In this paper from co-first authors Dr Park and Ranjbarvaziri, corresponding author Dr Ardehali, from David Geffen School of Medicine, University of California, Los Angeles, the authors utilized a novel multiple-strain approach known as the Hybrid Mouse Diversity Panel to characterize the contributions of cardiac fibroblasts to the formation of isoproterenol-induced cardiac fibrosis in three strains of mice.                                                 They found that isolated cardiac fibroblasts treated with isoproterenol exhibited strain-specific increases in the levels of activation, but showed comparable levels of proliferation. Similar results were found in vivo with fibroblast activation but not proliferation correlating with the differential levels of cardiac fibrosis after isoproterenol treatment. RNA sequencing revealed that cardiac fibroblasts from each strain exhibited unique gene expression changes in response to isoproterenol.                                                 The authors further identified LTBP2 as a commonly upregulated gene after isoproterenol treatment. Expression of LTBP2 was elevated and specifically localized in the fibrotic regions of the myocardium after injury in mice and in human heart failure, suggesting that it may be a potential therapeutic target. That brings us to the end of our summaries. Now for our feature discussion.                                                 We all know that t-wave inversion is common in patients with cardiomyopathy, however up to a quarter of athletes of African descent, and five percent of white athletes also have t-wave inversion on ECG, but with unclear clinical significance despite comprehensive clinical evaluation. Now, what is the role in diagnostic use of genetic testing beyond clinical evaluation when we investigate these athletes with t-wave inversion? Well we're about to get some answers in today's feature paper, and I'm so pleased to have the corresponding author of the paper, Dr Sanjay Sharma from St. George's University of London, as well as our associate editor Dr Mark Link from UT Southwestern.                                                 Sanjay, please let us know what you did and what you found. Dr Sanjay Sharma:            Well as you rightly say, that up to 25% of black athletes have t-wave inversion, as do three to five percent of white athletes. And these t-wave inversions often overlap with the sort of patterns that you see in patients with hypertrophic cardiomyopathy and arrhythmogenic cardiomyopathy. For example, 80% of people with hypertrophic cardiomyopathy have t-wave inversion as do 60% of patients with ARVC. Now we know that some ECG patterns, t-wave inversions in V1 to V4 are benign in black patients, but the significance of other ECG patterns is unknown. Cascade screening in family members with cardiomyopathy have shown that t-wave inversion may be the only manifestation of gene inheritance, and there are reports to suggest that some athletes with t-wave inversion do go on to develop overt cardiomyopathy. Now when we investigate the vast majority of our patients with t-wave inversion, these are our athlete patients, we don't actually find anything. But over the past decade, also, these has been major advance in next generation sequencing that allows us to perform genetic testing in a large number of genes that can cause diseases, capable of causing sudden death.                                                 And so, we thought we'd investigate the role of this gene testing in athletes with t-wave inversion. We looked at a hundred, 50 black athletes and 50 white athletes who had t-wave inversion, and we investigated them comprehensively with clinical tests. But we also added in a gene panel looking at 311 genes implicated in six cardiac diseases, notably hypertrophic cardiac myopathy, arrhythmogenic cardiomyopathy, dilated cardiomyopathy, left ventricular non-compaction, long QT syndrome, and the brugada syndrome. We found that 21% of our athletes were then diagnosed with a cardiac disorder capable of causing sudden death, and the vast majority of these people had hypertrophic cardiomyopathy. And this diagnosis was based on clinical evaluation. When we looked at gene testing, we found that gene testing only picked up a problem in 10%. So, the diagnostic yield of gene testing was half that of comprehensive clinical investigation.                                                 When we actually looked at athletes who had nothing wrong with them in clinical investigation, and actually had a gene mutation, we found that only 2.5% of athletes who had t-wave inversion but clinically normal tests, actually had something wrong with them. And our conclusions were that gene testing picks up only half the athletes that clinical testing does, and gene testing is only responsible for identifying 2.5% of athletes with t-wave inversion, where clinical tests are negative. That was the summary of our study in short. We did find that black athletes were less likely to have a positive diagnosis of cardiac myopathy than white athletes, and black athletes are also less likely to have a genetic mutation capable of causing a cardiomyopathy than white athletes. Dr Carolyn Lam:                First and foremost, congratulations on such a beautiful paper, and so wonderfully summarized as well. It really seems to fly in the face, doesn't it? Of the way we've been discussing personalized medicine and saying that we're going to start whole genome sequencing everyone and that's going to provide all the answers for future disease risks. I mean, if I'm not wrong, what your paper is trying to tell us is that at this moment we don't have good examples where genetic testing may trump clinical diagnoses, and in fact we should be still focusing on a comprehensive clinical evaluation of patients and in the absence of a genotype we should learn to question what we're doing in genetic testing. Do you agree with that? Dr Sanjay Sharma:            You couldn't have said that more precisely. As I've said, the diagnostic yield of clinical testing was 21% versus only 10% with genetic testing. The diagnostic yield of pure genetic testing in people with otherwise completely normal findings clinically was only 2.5%. And the other thing that I forgot to tell you was that genetic testing, if we included genetic testing in addition to comprehensive assessment, cost us three times as much as clinical investigation on its own, and had we relied solely on genetics, and nothing else, it would have cost us ten times more than clinical testing. So our cost per making a diagnosis using genetics only would have amounted to $30,000 per condition. Dr Carolyn Lam:                Wow, what a great wake up call. Mark, you've thought a lot about this and in fact there was another paper in this week’s journal that has very complimentary messages. In fact you invited an editorial by Dan Roden, and I really loved his title of it, "Growing Pains in Cardiovascular Genetics." Would you maybe add your thoughts in relation to the other paper, as well as overall? Dr Mark Link:                     Sure. Circulation was very interested in these papers. These are really  ... Now, as Dan Roden says, "Growing pains." Twenty years ago when genetics came out it was looked upon as it was going to completely change our clinical medicine and precision medicine is really relying a lot on genetics. And while ultimately that may be the case, we are in a stage now where the honeymoon is over. And the other paper that was in this same issue was a paper by Hosseini  and colleagues, and it was the Clin Gen paper looking at the Brugada Syndrome abnormalities. Now the Clin Gen is an NIH sponsored group that takes individuals from a number of different institutions and actually gene testing, and tries to provide an independent assessment of the abnormality of genes. Previously is was companies that did this. A company would gene test ... They would look for gene abnormalities, try to link it with clinical disease, and they could basically then do just on their patients. But Clin Gen now is trying to tie all those companies together to get a broad consortion and to look at genetic abnormalities and whether they're truly pathologic, where there's areas of unknown significance, or whether they're truly not pathologic.                                                 So as an example, they took Brugada Syndrome, and they took the different gene abnormalities that have been described from basically different companies and different labs and different institutions, and they looked at the evidence behind the fact that they were truly pathologic, 'cause all 21 genes were defined as pathologic. They found in their independent assessment that only one ended up to be truly pathologic, and the others ones were disputed. And sort of another wakeup call that just because a single company calls a gene pathologic or Brugada Syndrome, does not make it pathologic necessarily. So we all thought these were two very important papers that looked at some of the limitations of genetic testing. We asked Dan Roden, who is really a very accomplished scholar in this field, to provide perspective on this. And I agree, I loved his title, "Growing Pains in Cardiovascular Genetics." And what he did is reviewed the history of genetic testing, and he actually starts before genetic testing and starts with Mendelian genetics, and [inaudible] genetics. And then 23 years ago they started linking that Mendelian genetics to gene abnormalities, especially in diseases such as long QT syndrome and hypertrophic cardiomyopathy.                                                 We've come a tremendous way in diagnosing gene abnormalities and associating them with these underlying cardiac myopathies and hind channel abnormalities. So no one doubts we've come a tremendous way, but there's a long way to go in terms of getting better diagnostic accuracy and really defining where these genetic testing are ultimately going to play out in clinical medicine. So everyone's excited about it, but I think these two papers are two cautionary tales that we do have to remember that genetic testing in 2018 is not the end all and be all. Dr Carolyn Lam:                I love that, cautionary tales. So important. But where do we go from here? What's the take home message for clinicians listening to this today in 2018? I mean is it that perhaps when we do these things we now need to include medical geneticists and genetic counselors as vital partners as we look at this all? Perhaps we need to not forget the primacy of clinical evaluation. What do you think, Sanjay? Dr Sanjay Shar:                  Well, there are guidelines from the American Medical Genetics side as to what one defines as a disease-causing mutation. But I agree that we need to be using certified laboratories that can actually interpret the genetic mutations. For example, in our study of athletes, 63% actually had variance of undetermined significance. So they had spinning mistakes in their genes which probably didn't account to anything at all, but had these mutations, or these so called variance of undetermined mutations been interpreted by someone who didn't really know much about this, these could have resulted in false positive results which could cause absolute chaos for an athletes career. So I do think this type of testing has to be governed very, very carefully and needs to be performed in very specialized and certified laboratories. Dr Carolyn Lam:                Indeed. Not just to the athlete, but to their families too, isn't it? Mark, what do you think is the take home message [inaudible 00:16:18]? Dr Mark Link:                     I think one of the big take home messages that I took away from these papers is that clinical medicine is not dead. In fact, clinical medicine in this day and age is still the prime way of taking care of patients. Genetic testing is still in its infancy. It doesn't help clinically in too many situations yet. It will in the future. It helps in the diagnosis, it's not as useful in the treatment. So we have a long ways to go with genetics. I like your comment that going forward we're going to need more genetic counselors to make sense of these results. Clinicians are going to have a hard time making sense of these results. I do think that there is plenty of role once a disease causing mutation has been defined, and in that situation it's invaluable in cascade screening in identifying other family members who may be affected, but outside that I do believe and I agree completely with both of you, that clinical medicine is not dead. And clinical evaluation should be number one and should enjoy it's prime time because that's where we still are at. And genetics is still in its infancy and so is cardiology. Dr Carolyn Lam:                Perhaps in selective settings ... We're not talking here about, for example, hypercholesteremia variance, we're not talking about cancer gene variance for which screening may be a little bit more advanced, and we may understand the gene phenotype associations that are perhaps- Dr Mark Link:                     I think that understanding gene phenotype associations are going to be critically important in the future. I think, as Sanjay said, the real use of genetic screening now is cascade screening for the family, and there it's invaluable. That you can tell if you've got a co-band with the disease, and with a defined pathological mutation. You can test siblings, sons and daughters, parents to see if any of them have the gene. I think that's where it should be used for sure in 2018. Dr Carolyn Lam:                Thank you so much Mark and Sanjay. So some precautions, some hope. Very, very balanced discussion. So much more we could discuss, so I really want to highly encourage our audience. Pick up this issue. You have to read these amazing papers and the editorials. Dr Carolyn Lam:                So, here's a podcast with all your colleagues, and don't forget to tune in next week.  

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Tonight's special guest is Paul Reiker from Temecula, California, a returning NAASCA family member who's who's been doing a study of PTSD. Paul's looking for the mechanism by which we can take control of our emotional assignments to the past. Paul says, "We hear from therapists, that psychological development is damaged with trauma. This is true. In many ways, I stopped my development." He goes on, "In therapy, this situation came open." Re-arranging the priority of our dreams appears to be the key to placing joy and optimism where there was once anger and fear, and to replace our dwelling on the past. A troubled childhood included a severe beating by his father at 6 years old. "He was screaming, "I wish you were never born." It caused an "ADHD" symptom. Paul says, "Dan Roden, who introduced me to the process which I am now terming "Abreaction, Desensitization and Emotional Reframing, changed the memory of this trauma." He continues, "I spent 12 hours, in trance therapy. Within the 12 hours of that 2 weeks, I was healed of my multiple emotional fixations which where the underlying cause of my suicidal fixation." Paul's now a Clinical Hypnotherapist, and provides therapy for all types of trauma. He believes the model of 1 hour of therapy per week, per the Insurance Payment Plans, is not the best process for healing. It's his opinion that therapy should be 2-3 hour sessions, with 4 or 5 sessions occurring within 30 days, so the problems are solved. In his experience a reduction of PTSD symptoms by 50% is possible in 30 days, with 5-20 hours therapy. Paul is offering a "Christmas Grief Intervention" over the holidays, a variation on an event he's held for 10 years.

Tonight's special guest is Paul Rieker from Temecula, California, an abuse survivor who's doing a study of PTSD. He's seeking the mechanism by which we can take control of our emotional assignments to the past. Re-arranging the priority of our dreams appears to be the key to placing joy and optimism where there was once anger and fear, and to replace our dwelling on the past. A troubled childhood included a severe beating by his father at 6 years old. Paul relates, "He was screaming, "I wish you were never born." This event created many problems for me in my life, into adulthood. It caused an "ADHD" symptom." Paul says, "We hear from therapists, that psychological development is damaged with trauma. This is true. In many ways, I stopped my development." He goes on, "In therapy, this situation came open. Dan Roden, who introduced me to the process which I am now terming "Abreaction, Desensitization and Emotional Reframing, changed the memory of this trauma." Paul continues, "I spent 12 hours, in trance therapy. Within the 12 hours of that 2 weeks, I was healed of my multiple emotional fixations which where the underlying cause of my suicidal fixation." Eventually he became certified as a Clinical Hypnotherapist, of American Council of Hypnotist Examiners, and now provides therapy for all types of trauma. Paul believes the model of 1 hour of therapy per week, per the Insurance Payment Plans, is insufficient and not the best process for healing. It's his opinion that therapy should be 2-3 hour sessions, with 4 or 5 sessions occurring within 30 days, so the problems are solved. In his experience a reduction of PTSD symptoms by 50% is possible in 30 days, with 5-20 hours therapy.  

Host: Janet Wright, MD Guest: Dan Roden, MD Long QT syndrome can be a silent threat. Although not all patients with congenital long QT syndrome develop symptoms, there is potential for dangerous arrhythmia that can cause sudden cardiac death. Can and should genetic testing guide clinicians in diagnosing and treating this condition? Dr. Dan Roden, professor of medicine and pharmacology and assistant vice-chancellor for personalized medicine at Vanderbilt University School of Medicine, says the concept of personalized medicine goes beyond genetics; it is also about meeting a patient's goals and individual needs. How can genetic testing help physicians decide which medical therapy might be most appropriate for each patient? Dr. Janet Wright hosts.

Host: Janet Wright, MD Guest: Dan Roden, MD Long QT syndrome can be a silent threat. Although not all patients with congenital long QT syndrome develop symptoms, there is potential for dangerous arrhythmia that can cause sudden cardiac death. Can and should genetic testing guide clinicians in diagnosing and treating this condition? Dr. Dan Roden, professor of medicine and pharmacology and assistant vice-chancellor for personalized medicine at Vanderbilt University School of Medicine, says the concept of personalized medicine goes beyond genetics; it is also about meeting a patient's goals and individual needs. How can genetic testing help physicians decide which medical therapy might be most appropriate for each patient? Dr. Janet Wright hosts.

Guest: Dan Roden, MD Host: Bruce Bloom, DDS, JD What are the tools that will finally make personalized medicine a reality? Dr. Dan Roden, the William Stokes Professor of Experimental Therapeutics, vice-chancellor for personalized medicine and the director of the John Oates Institute for Experimental Therapeutics at Vanderbilt University School of Medicine, joins host Dr. Bruce Bloom, DNA banks, electronic medical records and more.

Guest: Dan Roden, MD Host: Bruce Bloom, DDS, JD The greatest side effect of medications is that they often don't do what we expect them to do. Dr. Dan Roden, professor in the departments of medicine and pharmacology at Vanderbilt University School of Medicine, talks with Dr. Bruce Bloom about variability in response to drugs. Genetic components are just one of many reasons patients respond differently. Dr. Roden also discusses his specific work with customizing treatment for patients with arrhythmias based upon the disease mechanism.

Guest: Dan Roden, MD Host: Bruce Bloom, DDS, JD The greatest side effect of medications is that they often don't do what we expect them to do. Dr. Dan Roden, professor in the departments of medicine and pharmacology at Vanderbilt University School of Medicine, talks with Dr. Bruce Bloom about variability in response to drugs. Genetic components are just one of many reasons patients respond differently. Dr. Roden also discusses his specific work with customizing treatment for patients with arrhythmias based upon the disease mechanism.

Guest: Dan Roden, MD Host: Bruce Bloom, DDS, JD The greatest side effect of medications is that they often don't do what we expect them to do. Dr. Dan Roden, professor in the departments of medicine and pharmacology at Vanderbilt University School of Medicine, talks with Dr. Bruce Bloom about variability in response to drugs. Genetic components are just one of many reasons patients respond differently. Dr. Roden also discusses his specific work with customizing treatment for patients with arrhythmias based upon the disease mechanism.