Rework

In this episode of The REWORK Podcast, 37signals co-founders Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson answer listener questions. They explain why keeping tabs on competitors isn't part of their strategy, reflect on the changing face of leadership as younger CEOs step in, and talk about the energy that comes with fresh perspectives.Key Takeaways:00:22 – Why focusing on your customers matters more than watching competitors05:55 – A new wave of CEOs is bringing a fresh approach to leadership10:34 – Why you don't always need a mentor—sometimes figuring it out is the best teacher17:38 – Jason and David's different views on handling employee roadblocksLinks and Resources:Record or upload a video question for Jason and DavidGet Basecamp for free at Basecamp.comBooks by 37signalsHEY World | HEYREWORK podcast merchThe REWORK podcastThe Rework Podcast on YouTubeThe 37signals Dev Blog37signals on YouTube@37signals on X

How much data do you really need to make good decisions? In this episode of The REWORK Podcast, Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson talk about 37signals' evolving relationship with analytics—from working with a full-time analyst to now focusing only on the numbers that truly matter. They share why gut feeling, curiosity, and margin often outweigh dashboards and reports—and how trimming the data obsession can lead to better, bolder decisions.Key Takeaways:00:09 – The shift from having a full-time data analyst to working without one02:25 – Just because you can't measure it doesn't mean it's not important07:59 – Analytics don't always drive product decisions10:15 – How financial margin fuels freedom to experiment13:42 – Don't let data make you overly cautious15:26 – David's take on cutting unnecessary costs19:48 – Weighing cost vs. value when making decisionsLinks and Resources:Record or upload a video question for Jason and DavidGet Basecamp for free at Basecamp.comBooks by 37signalsHEY World | HEYREWORK podcast merchThe REWORK podcastThe Rework Podcast on YouTubeThe 37signals Dev Blog37signals on YouTube@37signals on X

In this episode of The REWORK Podcast, host Kimberly Rhodes puts 37signals co-founders Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson in the hot seat with a round of rapid-fire questions — from favorite apps and founder skills to customer requests and what's coming next.Key Takeaways:00:11 – Favorite software that Jason and David use (that they haven't built)03:42 – Underrated skills every founder should develop06:26 – Times they've completely changed their minds on a decision14:05 – Customer feature requests that likely won't ever happen15:36 – A new 37signals product is on the wayLinks and Resources:Screen Studio – https://screen.studio/Obsidian – https://obsidian.md/Get Basecamp for free at Basecamp.comBooks by 37signalsHEY World | HEYREWORK podcast merchThe REWORK podcastThe Rework Podcast on YouTubeThe 37signals Dev Blog37signals on YouTube@37signals on X

Before anything ships at 37signals, the team puts it to the test—by using it themselves. In this episode of The REWORK Podcast, co-founders Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson talk about the importance of dogfooding, or using your own product before handing it off to customers. They share how this practice keeps them close to the real problems, and sometimes even kills off ideas that just don't hold up.Key Takeaways:00:27 – Why every 37signals product is used internally before it ships07:15 – Who makes the final call after internal feedback comes in12:44 – The importance of building things you'll actually use16:48 – Some products and features don't make it past internal testingLinks and Resources:“Doing what you think, not what you thought” from Jason Fried's HEY WorldGet Basecamp for free at Basecamp.comBooks by 37signalsHEY World | HEYREWORK podcast merchThe REWORK podcastThe Rework Podcast on YouTubeThe 37signals Dev Blog37signals on YouTube@37signals on X

How do you decide what to work on next, without relying on a long, stale to-do list? In this episode of The REWORK Podcast, 37signals co-founders Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson talk about why they don't rely on lengthy roadmaps to set priorities. Instead, they focus on what makes sense now, not what seemed like a good idea months ago. They explain how working in real time leads to better decisions and thinking that fits the moment.Key Takeaways:00:44 – Priorities aren't permanent—they're meant to shift as you learn03:20 – Ditch the roadmap mentality in favor of real-time decision-making07:20 – There's a difference between winging it and planning as you go09:10 – Why 6-week cycles give you just enough structure without locking you inLinks and Resources:“Doing what you think, not what you thought” from Jason Fried's HEY WorldGet Basecamp for free at Basecamp.comBooks by 37signalsHEY World | HEYREWORK podcast merchThe REWORK podcastThe Rework Podcast on YouTubeThe 37signals Dev Blog37signals on YouTube@37signals on X

Have a day job but dreaming of launching the next big thing? In this episode of The REWORK Podcast, a listener question sparks a conversation with 37signals co-founders Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson about juggling consulting work while building products on the side. They share real talk about timing, expectations, motivation — and why your side project should serve you, even if it doesn't turn into a smash hit.Key Takeaways:00:12 – Host Kimberly Rhodes reads a listener question about balancing consulting with product building01:01 – Why it's easier than ever to build something—but harder than ever to get noticed05:48 – The barrier to entry is low, but staying in the game is the hard part08:05 – There's no formula for what will take off and what won't13:08 – Aim for more than just small wins—set bold goals16:04 – You have to be fully invested if you want your idea to stand a chanceLinks and Resources:Get Basecamp for free at Basecamp.comBooks by 37signalsHEY World | HEYREWORK podcast merchThe REWORK podcastThe Rework Podcast on YouTubeThe 37signals Dev Blog37signals on YouTube@37signals on X

In a world where constant reinvestment is celebrated, 37signals chooses profit. In this episode of The REWORK Podcast, co-founders Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson talk about how profit gives them freedom, clarity, and staying power—not just for the company, but for their customers too. They make the case for building a business that's solid, simple, and self-funded.Key Takeaways:00:27 – How being profitable is actually a choice08:34 – Why it's important to take money off the table11:35 – Striking the right balance between ego and humility15:00 – Profitability isn't guaranteed forever18:27 – Well-managed profits create reliability for customersLinks and Resources:Why We Choose ProfitGet Basecamp for free at Basecamp.comBooks by 37signalsHEY World | HEYThe REWORK podcastThe Rework Podcast on YouTubeThe 37signals Dev Blog37signals on YouTube@37signals on X

Can you build a company that thrives even when you're not in the room? In this episode of The REWORK Podcast, 37signals co-founders Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson talk about the jobs they've created for themselves and how they're able to step away without progress coming to a halt. They discuss the fine line between being involved and letting the team run things without them.Key Takeaways:00:14 – The importance of creating a job for yourself that you enjoy02:45 – The tragedy of owning a business you don't love06:56 – Staying relevant in your business and knowing when to step in15:14 – Knowing when to step back so your team can grow17:51 – Maintaining a life outside of your business and having work/life balance20:36 – The parts of the business that require the founders' involvement23:33 – Jason and David's stance of not being serial entrepreneursLinks and Resources:Get Basecamp for free at Basecamp.comBooks by 37signalsHEY World | HEYThe REWORK podcastThe Rework Podcast on YouTubeThe 37signals Dev Blog37signals on YouTube@37signals on X

How do you do more without growing your team substantially? In this episode of The REWORK Podcast, 37signals co-founders Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson share how they're expanding their product lineup while keeping their team lean. They reflect on how their approach to building software has evolved, and how pushing into the unknown makes the work more exciting. Key Takeaways00:28 – How 37signals' product lineup has evolved over time08:00 – Why the company is adding a product designer to the team15:07 – Finding the “fun” in creating new products18:50 – Challenging yourself by stepping into the unknown23:16 – Using real products as a way to do research and developmentLinks and Resources:We're hiring a Product Designer!Find out about future job openings at 37signalsGet Basecamp for free at Basecamp.comBooks by 37signalsHEY World | HEYThe REWORK podcastThe Rework Podcast on YouTubeThe 37signals Dev Blog37signals on YouTube@37signals on X

Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson answer  listener questions in this episode of The REWORK Podcast. They discuss the roles 37signals hires for (and the ones they don't), the importance of staying accessible as a founder, and the thought process behind choosing a business structure.Key Takeaways00:16 – Employee roles at 37signals 04:33 – How non-programmers contribute to programming16:44 – Techniques for writing job descriptions18:47 – Tips for being an accessible founder25:22 – Deciding on a business structureLinks and Resources:We're hiring a Product Designer!Find out about future job openings at 37signalsGet Basecamp for free at Basecamp.comBooks by 37signalsHEY World | HEYThe REWORK podcastThe Rework Podcast on YouTubeThe 37signals Dev Blog37signals on YouTube@37signals on X

37signals' co-founders Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson are back to talk about the ins and outs of offering a product for free. In this episode of The REWORK Podcast, they break down why they decided to reintroduce a free Basecamp plan, how offering free access can actually drive sales, and balancing analytics with instincts.Key Takeaways:00:45 – The original philosophy behind Basecamp's free plan03:14 – Going beyond the free trial07:36 – Tracking analytics without getting lost in the numbers12:48 – The true cost of offering something for free19:13 – Pricing strategies for new products 37signals is buildingLinks and Resources:Get Basecamp for free at Basecamp.comBooks by 37signalsHEY World | HEYThe REWORK podcastThe Rework Podcast on YouTubeThe 37signals Dev Blog37signals on YouTube@37signals on X

There are no full-time managers at 37signals, but that doesn't mean the company is void of mentorship. In this episode of The REWORK Podcast, host Kimberly Rhodes chats with Principal Programmer Jeffrey Hardy as he breaks down the company's focus on peer-to-peer mentorship. They discuss hiring practices that allow for less management and what mentorship looks like amongst the team.Key Takeaways:00:42 – Meet Jeffrey Hardy, Principal Programmer02:09 – The evolution of 37signals' management structure05:19 – Replacing managers with mentors10:53 – How hiring impacts the ability to operate without managers13:35 – The power of seeking entrepreneurial experience15:10 – A day in the life of a mentor17:40 – Tips for being a better mentorLinks and Resources:Books by 37signals30-day free trial of HEYSign up for a 30-day free trial at Basecamp.comHEY World | HEYThe REWORK podcastThe Rework Podcast on YouTubeThe 37signals Dev Blog37signals on YouTube@37signals on X

Does blogging still matter in tech? In this episode of The REWORK Podcast, host Kimberly Rhodes chats with 37signals' Principal Programmer Jorge Manrubia about why blogging is very much alive. They dig into the history of the 37signals developers blog, the company's process for contributions, and the added benefits this communication tool provides. Key Takeaways:00:50 – Meet Jorge01:03 – The history of the 37signals developers blog02:25 – The process — who contributes and how topics are decided05:09 – Benefits of writing on the blog and sharing content with the public07:40 – What to consider when starting a company blog09:43 – Sharing code isn't as revealing as you might think11:28 – Secondary benefits of sharing your content13:30 – What's next for the blog?Links and Resources:The 37signals Dev BlogBooks by 37signals30-day free trial of HEYSign up for a 30-day free trial at Basecamp.comHEY World | HEYThe REWORK podcastThe Rework Podcast on YouTubeThe 37signals Dev Blog37signals on YouTube@37signals on X

There is a way to bring your customers together in a meaningful way. In this episode of The REWORK Podcast, host Kimberly Rhodes welcomes 37signals' Support Team members Merissa Dawson and Ashley Bowe to discuss how the Basecamp Community came to life. They describe how they've connected with Basecamp customers and how they've connected customers with each other. They also offer a few tips for anyone looking to start their own community of customers and company enthusiasts.Key Takeaways:00:40 – Meet Merissa and Ashley from Basecamp Support01:54 – The Basecamp Community origin story05:03 – The Community as a place for sharing and collaboration07:20 – The 37signals team role within the Community09:08 – Starting a community without fear of failure13:27 – Tips for starting your own community of users and fansLinks and Resources:Join the Basecamp Community"Launch: 37signals Answers" from Signal v. NoiseHow Decent Espresso uses multiple tools in a single Basecamp projectBooks by 37signals30-day free trial of HEYSign up for a 30-day free trial at Basecamp.comHEY World | HEYThe REWORK podcastThe Rework Podcast on YouTubeThe 37signals Dev Blog37signals on YouTube@37signals on X

Customer support is more than just a department — it's a core feature of any great product. In this episode of The REWORK Podcast, Kimberly Rhodes chats with Chase Clemons, Head of Customer Support at 37signals, about the company's view of support as a product feature. They discuss 37signals' approach to helping customers, the value of ongoing training, and how AI can fit into support strategy without sacrificing the personal connection.Key Takeaways:00:37 – Chase Clemons, Head of Support at 37signals02:12 – Customer Support is a feature, not a cost center.04:09 – Support should focus on the customer experience06:36 – Using case studies to train your support team07:49 – Team members are trusted to use good judgment09:58 – Maintaining a friendly, conversational tone with customers11:27 – Measuring success in Customer Support14:12 – AI vs. the human element in Support17:25 – Encourage customers to reach outLinks and Resources:Books by 37signals30-day free trial of HEYSign up for a 30-day free trial at Basecamp.comHEY World | HEYThe REWORK podcastThe Rework Podcast on YouTubeThe 37signals Dev Blog37signals on YouTube@37signals on X

Wondering when it's the right time to grow your team? In this episode of The REWORK Podcast, 37signals' co-founders Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson chat about their “hire when it hurts” approach as described in their book REWORK. They cover why you shouldn't rush into bringing someone on board, how to know when there's a critical business need, and how to seize the moment when the right people show up.Key Takeaways:00:38 – Try tackling projects with the team you already have before hiring02:43 – Some roles don't call for a full-time position07:33 – Knowing the difference between an actual staffing shortage vs. just being busy09:48 – A workload spike doesn't always mean it's time to expand12:33 – Snagging available talent early if you're already planning to hire soon15:35 – One open position can become multiple hires when the talent pool is just rightLinks and Resources:Books by 37signals30-day free trial of HEYSign up for a 30-day free trial at Basecamp.comHEY World | HEYThe REWORK podcastThe Rework Podcast on YouTubeThe 37signals Dev Blog37signals on YouTube@37signals on X

How does 37signals decide when software is ready to ship? In this episode of The REWORK Podcast, 37signals' co-founders Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson discuss the company's Seven Shipping Principles. They dive into when a product update is good enough to ship and the importance of making updates to solve actual problems.Key Takeaways:00:11 – We only ship good work.03:36 – The problem with MVPs04:41 – We ship when we're confident.10:08 – We own the issues after we ship.13:41 – We don't ship if it isn't right.17:11 –  Making sure your solution tackles a real problem20:00 – We ship to our appetite.Links and Resources:“Seven Shipping Principles” from the 37signals websiteBooks by 37signals30-day free trial of HEYSign up for a 30-day free trial at Basecamp.comHEY World | HEYThe REWORK podcastThe Rework Podcast on YouTubeThe 37signals Dev Blog37signals on YouTube@37signals on X

In this episode (originally aired February 1, 2022), 37signals' co-founders Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson sit down with Shaun Hildner to discuss the consequences of building a business solely with the intention to sell. They share their perspective on building a business for the long haul versus for an exit.Key Takeaways:00:46 – Building a company to sell can encourage mediocre output07:14 – Taking shortcuts is a reflection of one's character09:41 – Why it's better to have a commitment strategy than an exit strategy11:21 – Not all businesses should become unicorns14:58 – What the founders would do if they had to begin againLinks and Resources:Books by 37signalsSign up for a 30-day free trial at Basecamp.comThe REWORK podcastThe Rework Podcast on YouTubeThe 37signals Dev Blog37signals on YouTube@37signals on X

Bigger isn't always better. In this episode of The REWORK Podcast, 37signals' co-founders Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson share the drawbacks of chasing high-profile, enterprise deals. The two founders explain why they prefer their business model that's built around serving smaller clients. Key Takeaways:00:35 – The biggest clients can quickly become the biggest burden and the biggest risk07:10 – The hidden costs of “whale-sized” clients12:35 – Things to consider when defining your ideal client17:02 – Knowing what types of clients you'll enjoy working with19:53 – How venture capital funding can make a difference when choosing your ideal clientsLinks and Resources:"Don't have a biggest customer" from Jason Fried's HEY World"A Static Business is a Healthy Business" from Jason Fried's HEY WorldBooks by 37signals30-day free trial of HEYSign up for a 30-day free trial at Basecamp.comHEY World | HEYThe REWORK podcastThe Rework Podcast on YouTubeThe 37signals Dev Blog37signals on YouTube@37signals on X

As the year winds down, 37signals' co-founders Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson join host Kimberly Rhodes to talk about the company's end-of-year routine. They explain their process for the last few weeks of the year that aren't part of a formal six-week cycle, and they share what they gain from this transitional period of "wandering."Key Takeaways:00:43 – The informal end of year process05:24 – Self-directed work, bug fixes, and tying up loose ends08:22 – Using the downtime for forward thinking and planning12:43 – Viewing the year end as a shift to the next chapter rather than a fresh startLinks and Resources:30-day free trial of HEYBooks by 37signalsSign up for a 30-day free trial at Basecamp.comHEY World | HEYThe REWORK podcastThe Rework Podcast on YouTubeThe 37signals Dev Blog37signals on YouTube@37signals on X

Before introducing a new product feature, it's essential to first understand the problem you're trying to fix. In this episode of The REWORK Podcast, 37signals' co-founders Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson share a recent experience designing a new feature in HEY. During the process, the team pivoted and changed direction, resulting in a better design.Key Takeaways:00:44 – The original product design plan and what changed along the way02:31 – The difference between specifying the outcome and diagnosing the actual problem06:27 – The design meeting where the team got to the root of the problem08:32 – Why executive involvement early in the process adds value13:39 – Pivoting on an original idea while maintaining the original appetite16:04 – Creativity often comes when you've hit a roadblock20:07 – The power of Power Through New Links and Resources:30-day free trial of HEYBooks by 37signalsSign up for a 30-day free trial at Basecamp.comHEY World | HEYThe REWORK podcastThe Rework Podcast on YouTubeThe 37signals Dev Blog37signals on YouTube@37signals on X

Remaining profitable in business is a simple equation — sales revenue exceeding operating costs. In this episode of The REWORK Podcast, 37signals' co-founders Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson explain why controlling costs should be a bigger focus than what your competition is doing. They share some simple strategies for analyzing costs and share why operating without a formal office space might be worth considering.Key Takeaways:00:37 – Why you should stop worrying about what everyone else is doing02:26 – Focusing on the things within your control06:58 – Analyzing your business' cash cows, dogs, and shooting stars11:21 – Budgeting doesn't always mean being frugal12:24 – Weighing cost against value16:16 – What the company gained by letting go of a physical office space18:31 – Aesthetics of a well-run, profitable business21:06 – The biggest expenses entrepreneurs often overlookLinks and Resources:"You only compete with one thing" from Jason Fried's HEY World"Our cloud-exit savings will now top ten million over five years" from David Heinemeier Hansson's HEY World37signals' meet-up expensesBooks by 37signalsSign up for a 30-day free trial at Basecamp.comHEY World | HEYThe REWORK podcastThe Rework Podcast on YouTubeThe 37signals Dev Blog37signals on YouTube@37signals on X

Every week, we invite listeners to send in their questions for 37signals' co-founders, Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson. In this episode, they tackle a fresh set of asks, covering topics from managing multiple product lines, the company's bonus structure, and their thoughts on incorporating AI into their tools.Key Takeaways:00:37 – How 37signals' looks at AI and using AI while exiting the cloud03:47 – How to prioritize work when managing multiple product lines11:33 – Deciding what problems to tackle first18:49 – The company's take on equity and the structure of their profit-sharing planLinks and Resources:37signals' Employee HandbookBasecamp classes with live Q&ABooks by 37signalsSign up for a 30-day free trial at Basecamp.comHEY World | HEYThe REWORK podcastThe Rework Podcast on YouTubeThe 37signals Dev Blog37signals on YouTube@37signals on X

When it comes to business, it's important to consider not only what customers would gain by using your product or service, but also what they're giving up. In this episode of The REWORK Podcast, Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson, co-founders of 37signals, chat about understanding your customer's needs and motivations. They highlight that your competition isn't always who you think it is, and they discuss ways to position your product to address the customer's actual challenges.Key Takeaways:00:40 - The habit of the present. What people are already doing?02:19 - A customer's alternative isn't always your direct competitor05:06 - 37signals competition now vs. when the company started06:29 - Being open to something new often requires breaking a habit12:13 - Considering what people are replacing when developing 37signals newest products14:00 - How dogfooding your product helps you figure out what it needs17:33 - Using free trials, 1:1 demos, and group classes to give potential customers experience with your productLinks and Resources:Jason's post about what your product replaces on XBasecamp classes with live Q&ABooks by 37signalsSign up for a 30-day free trial at Basecamp.comHEY World | HEYThe REWORK podcastThe Rework Podcast on YouTubeThe 37signals Dev Blog37signals on YouTube@37signals on X

Ever filled out a customer survey? For this conversation, Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson, co-founders of 37signals, share their approach to gathering customer feedback. They discuss the timing and frequency of feedback requests, the power of open-ended questions, and how to transform customer language into effective marketing.Key Takeaways:00:37 - A single open-ended question can reveal a wealth of valuable insights05:51 - Listen for the language customers use in their feedback for possible marketing opportunities08:42 - Form questions and answer fields that allow customers to use their own words to express what they think14:18 - Focus on organic feedback rather than quantitative metricsLinks and Resources:Customer feedback on basecamp.comBooks by 37signalsSign up for a 30-day free trial at Basecamp.comHEY World | HEYThe REWORK podcastThe Rework Podcast on YouTubeThe 37signals Dev Blog37signals on YouTube@37signals on X

In this week's episode of The REWORK Podcast, 37signals' co-founders Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson share their approach to product design, explaining why the first version of a product (V1) is always built for the company's internal use case. They discuss responding to user feedback and the importance of actively using their own products to uncover issues. They also dive into the challenges they've faced when building software for someone else's needs vs. their own.Key Takeaways:00:35 - The problem with imagined use cases07:21 - A trimmed down V1 gives you permission to focus on what's most important10:28 - The story of Highrise17:27 - “Dogfooding” to help identify and address product issues20:48 - Avoid the temptation to react too quickly to early customer feedback23:11 - Design breakthroughs come to life by creating innovative solutionsLinks and Resources:Version 1 is for you – Jason Fried's HEY World postBooks by 37signalsSign up for a 30-day free trial at Basecamp.comHEY World | HEYThe REWORK podcastThe Rework Podcast on YouTubeThe 37signals Dev Blog37signals on YouTube@37signals on X

37signals' co-founders Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson share insights from their write-up, The 37signals Guide to Internal Communication. They discuss effective communication strategies within the company and with the public, offering practical advice to consider when conveying messages.Key Takeaways:00:41 - The backstory of how the guide was created02:39 - The write up serves as both an internal reminder and a practical manual for how communication is handled at 37signals06:36 - Why publishing doesn't require perfection10:52 - Poor communication can lead to misunderstandings18:26 - How unclear communication can come across negatively23:03 - Why you shouldn't rush tough conversations Links and Resources:The 37signals Guide to Internal CommunicationBooks by 37signalsSign up for a 30-day free trial at Basecamp.comHEY World | HEYThe REWORK podcastThe Rework Podcast on YouTubeThe 37signals Dev Blog37signals on YouTube@37signals on X

In their book REWORK, 37signals' co-founders Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson write about the power of saying no. This week on the podcast, they revisit that idea, diving into the hidden costs of saying yes and the burden of commitments that often come with it. They also discuss how saying no preserves simplicity and helps maintain focus.Key Takeaways:00:45 – Saying yes often comes with regret03:00 – Yes feels good until it's time to fulfill the commitment07:58 – Adding features to products often results in layered complications14:53 – Saying no is more difficult when you have the capacity to say yes19:51 – The courage to say no creates space for simplicity29:30 – The best way to say to no to customer requestsLinks and Resources:Books by 37signalsSign up for a 30-day free trial at Basecamp.comHEY World | HEYThe REWORK podcastThe Rework Podcast on YouTubeThe 37signals Dev Blog37signals on YouTube@37signals on X

Twice a year, 37signals brings the entire team together for a company meet-up. In this week's episode of The REWORK Podcast, co-founders Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson reflect on how these meet-ups began and how they've evolved over time. They also discuss how they prepare for the meet-ups and the importance of the venue selection.Key Takeaways:00:50 - Jason shares the early history of 37signals' meet-ups02:18 - Why in-person conferences build deeper connections than online meetings06:57 - How the location and architecture of meeting spaces can elevate the experience15:30 - Weighing the financial cost of a meet-up against the value it delivers18:48 - Memories from the company's Atlanta gathering22:17 - An inside look at the meet-up agendaLinks and Resources:Books by 37signalsSign up for a 30-day free trial at Basecamp.comHEY World | HEYThe REWORK podcastThe Rework Podcast on YouTubeThe 37signals Dev Blog37signals on YouTube@37signals on X

37signals' co-founders Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson explore the many benefits of having full control over their business. They talk about the importance of taking measured profits and running an efficient operation, which allows freedom to create without constraints. This approach gives them room for trial and error and plenty of flexibility for expanded opportunities.Key Takeaways:00:41 - The launch of Writebook confirmed 37signals' achievement of optionality03:19 - Ideas and decisions don't have to be perfect when a company is run efficiently09:26 - 37signals history with buyout offers11:22 - When it was tempting to consider venture capital offers18:03 - Finding fulfillment in doing what you love rather than creating solely for profitLinks and Resources:“Achieving Optionality” HEY World post by Jason Fried Books by 37signalsSign up for a 30-day free trial at Basecamp.comHEY World | HEYThe REWORK podcastThe Rework Podcast on YouTubeThe 37signals Dev Blog37signals on YouTube@37signals on X

It's been reported that up to 75% of the population has a fear of public speaking. This week, Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson, co-founders of 37signals, recount some of their previous speaking engagements and share a few tips for building the skill. They discuss the styles of successful speakers and their thoughts on being over prepared.Key Takeaways:00:47 - Jason recalls his first speaking gig02:30 - David shares his preferred style of delivering a talk 06:48 - Preparing for talks, podcasts, and Q&A sessions08:15 - Preparing for keynote speeches and speaking with authenticity13:05 - Examples of great public speakers who are authentically themselves on stage14:43 - Being comfortable improvising a bit on stageLinks and Resources:Books by 37signalsSign up for a 30-day free trial at Basecamp.comHEY World | HEYThe REWORK podcastThe Rework Podcast on YouTubeThe 37signals Dev Blog37signals on YouTube@37signals on X

37signals' co-founders Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson discuss their unique approach of operating without full-time managers. They reflect on the company's experience with full-time managers and share why they've moved to a flatter organization.Key Takeaways:00:54 - The before and after of 37signals' experience with full-time managers08:34 - The founders thoughts on being directly involved in the business10:36 - Why the company's management hierarchy works best for the founders17:17 - 37signals' career ladder doesn't necessarily mean people leadership20:03 - What company size makes sense for having more management layersLinks and Resources:HEY World post – We once more have no full-time managers at 37signalsBooks by 37signalsSign up for a 30-day free trial at Basecamp.comHEY World | HEYThe REWORK podcastThe Rework Podcast on YouTubeThe 37signals Dev Blog37signals on YouTube@37signals on X

This week, Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson, co-founders of 37signals, examine why it's advantageous to keep things simple — in both products and business. They challenge the idea that complex or bespoke tools are the best way to go and lean into not overcomplicating things.Key Takeaways:00:34 - The power of keeping things simple10:55 - Why small businesses don't need to act like big businesses12:04 - The beauty of embracing what you don't know when starting something new18:01 - Building products with depth versus surface area23:09 - Knowing when to listen to customers for product input and ideasLinks and Resources:Merchants of Complexity Post by David Heinemeier HanssonBooks by 37signalsSign up for a 30-day free trial at Basecamp.comHEY World | HEYThe REWORK podcastThe Rework Podcast on YouTubeThe 37signals Dev Blog37signals on YouTube@37signals on X

37signals works in 6-week cycles, which begin with a Kickoff and wrap up with a Heartbeat. In this week's REWORK podcast, co-founders Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson break down the purpose and benefits of the Kickoff and Heartbeat documents and share tips for implementing this process across an organization. Key Takeaways00:40 - When 37signals started using Kickoffs and Heartbeats 02:13 - Details of the Kickoff write-up process07:34 - How much input Jason and David have in the Kickoff13:43 - What Kickoffs & Heartbeats look like for departments with ongoing work17:37 - The Heartbeats as an opportunity to highlight and celebrate the work of individual employees and team22:50 - The benefits of writing up work summaries for institutional historyLinks and ResourcesShape UpBooks by 37signalsSign up for a 30-day free trial at Basecamp.comHEY World | HEYThe REWORK podcastThe Rework Podcast on YouTubeThe 37signals Dev Blog37signals on YouTube@37signals on X

This week on the REWORK podcast, 37signals co-founders Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson answer another round listener questions. Jason and David talk about the ups and downs of their long-running business partnership and friendship, tackle a critical question about Basecamp, and share their thoughts on starting a new company. Plus, they reveal the inspiration behind their Campfire software.Key Takeaways00:34 – How Jason and David's partnership has stood the test of time09:21 – A listener's opinion on Basecamp's shortcomings14:56 – Advice for building a new company from the ground up.25:35 – Creating products out of a need versus seeing a business opportunityLinks and ResourcesIs group chat making you sweat?Books by 37signalsSign up for a 30-day free trial at Basecamp.comHEY World | HEYThe REWORK podcastThe Rework Podcast on YouTubeThe 37signals Dev Blog37signals on YouTube@37signals on X

In this episode, Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson, co-founders of 37signals, return from a summer hiatus to answer a new set of listener questions. They dive into topics like the role of A.I. in writing and their updated thoughts on staying Facebook-free. REWORK host, Kimberly Rhodes also gets in a question of her own.Key Takeaways00:38 - Emphasizing the importance of using your own voice in writing rather than relying on AI05:50 - Discussing how targeted advertising can be beneficial for some but not for everyone08:50 - One disagreement with a company or person shouldn't lead to complete condemnation19:28 - David shares his reflections on taking a summer break from X (formerly Twitter)Links & ResourcesGoogle pulls Dear Sydney adGoogle - Dear Sydney AdONCE.comJobs at 37signalsBooks by 37signalsHEY WorldThe REWORK PodcastThe 37signals Dev Blog37signals on YouTube37signals on X

In their book REWORK, Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson write about the benefits of building products and services that you use yourself. "The easiest, most straightforward way to create a great product or service is to make something you want to use." In this episode, originally aired November 2, 2021, Jason and David sit down with Shaun Hildner to discuss creating products that scratch your own itch.Key Takeaways00:43 – The origins of Basecamp and how it fulfilled an internal need04:38 – Building to solve your own problems vs. someone else's06:27 – The evolution of HEY and how it was created to solve their own frustrations with email09:50 – How building for yourself leads to better quality control 14:25 – The problem with creating MVPs (Minimum Viable Products) and building based on customer feedback aloneLinks and ResourcesBooks by 37signalsSign up for a 30-day free trial at Basecamp.comHEY World | HEYOnce | CampfireThe REWORK podcastThe 37signals Dev Blog37signals on YouTube@37signals on X

In this episode of the Rework podcast, host Kimberly Rhodes chats with Eron Nicholson from 37signals' operations team. He shares insight on his role and the department's various functions. The conversation covers details on the ops team structure, system reliability, global expansion projects and more.Key Takeaways00:38 - Meet Eron02:17 - The structure of the “ops” team05:15 - On-call coverage and schedule08:40 - Managing data center outages13:25 - Balancing project cycles with system administration16:56 - A sneak peek into the Amsterdam projectLinks & Resources37signals developers blogOptimizing Site Performance via Anycast RoutingJobs at 37signalsONCE.comBooks by 37signalsHEY WorldThe REWORK PodcastThe REWORK Podcast on YouTubeThe 37signals Dev Blog37signals on YouTube37signals on XSign up for a 30-day free trial at Basecamp.com

In this episode, Andrea LaRowe, Head of People Operations at 37signals, joins host Kimberly Rhodes to answer questions about the company's HR practices. They discuss the company's management structure and performance evaluations and what the company looks for when hiring. Andrea also shares what's involved in the All Hands meeting and tips for planning a company meet-up.Key Takeaways:00:42 - Meet Andrea02:19 - 37signals' managerial structure and one-on-one process06:15 - 360 evaluations and annual employee reviews09:38 - What job applicants can do to stand out12:45 - All-hands meetings17:21 - Company meetups21:57 - Hiring employees using the ‘manager of one' conceptLinks and Resources:Jobs at 37signalsBooks by 37signalsSign up for a 30-day free trial at Basecamp.comOnce software productsHEY World | HEYThe REWORK podcastThe Rework Podcast on YouTubeThe 37signals Dev Blog37signals on YouTube@37signals on X

In this podcast episode, Kimberly Rhodes talks with Jason Fried, CEO and co-founder of 37signals, about the process of naming products. He discusses practical considerations like domain availability, trademarks, and logo design.Key Takeaways:00:28 - The process of naming a product03:05 - Researching domain names and trademarks07:14 - The style of a product name10:04 - The journey from the working title to the official title13:11 - Designing and updating branding logos20:48 - Gathering input on the nameLinks and Resources:Books by 37signalsSign up for a 30-day free trial at Basecamp.comHEY World | HEYOnce | CampfireThe REWORK podcastThe Rework Podcast on YouTubeThe 37signals Dev Blog37signals on YouTube@37signals on X

In this episode, Kimberly Rhodes hosts a discussion with Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson, the co-founders of 37signals, about their newest product. And the best news? It will be free and simple to use.Key Takeaways:00:26 - The next Once product02:52 - The excitement of easily sharing free information in book form online07:02 - Simplified publishing software that you completely control12:12 - Starting a new product from scratch creates an open space for new ideas15:55 - The various authors and enthusiasts that may want to use the new product22:10 - Making the case on why this product is free25:27 - Q&A from X (Twitter)Links and Resources:ONCE.comJason Fried on Twitter / X and LinkedInDavid Heinemeier Hansson on Twitter / X and LinkedInThe 37signals Employee HandbookBooks by 37signalsSign up for a 30-day free trial at Basecamp.comHEY World | HEYThe REWORK podcastThe Rework Podcast on YouTubeThe 37signals Dev Blog37signals on YouTube@37signals on X

REWORK's host Kimberly Rhodes discusses the unique marketing approach of 37signals with its co-founders, Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson. They talk about how their process is simply sharing their perspectives and products, instead of traditional advertising. They champion genuine interaction over transactional posts and content.Key Takeaways:00:37 - What Founder-Led Marketing means for 37signals02:43 - The journey to finding the authentic voice of the brand09:24 - Why paid advertising doesn't always work as intended16:50 - The love/hate relationship of posting content27:19 - There are different decorums for different platformsLinks and Resources:Saddleback Leather CompanyBooks by 37signalsSign up for a 30-day free trial at Basecamp.comHEY World | HEYThe REWORK podcastThe Rework Podcast on YouTubeThe 37signals Dev Blog37signals on YouTube@37signals on X

In this podcast episode, REWORK host Kimberly Rhodes talks with David Heinemeier Hansson, co-founder of 37signals and CTO,  about his personal shift from using Apple products to exploring Linux and Windows platforms. He discusses the expanded platform integration at 37signals, which now includes all three operating systems. Key Takeaways:00:21 - The last straw with Apple06:34 - Discovering Microsoft's recent improvements and support of developers10:30 - Linux and Windows work well together13:27 - The user-friendly and upgradeable Framework laptop17:45 - Transitioning 37signals to a multi-platform development team22:58 - David's recommended computing and operating systemsLinks and Resources:Steve Ballmer: Developers!The Ikea EffectBooks by 37signalsSign up for a 30-day free trial at Basecamp.comHEY World | HEYThe REWORK podcastThe Rework Podcast on YouTubeThe 37signals Dev Blog37signals on YouTube@37signals on X

In this episode, REWORK host Kimberly Rhodes, talks with Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson, co-founders of 37signals, about the importance of stepping out of the day-to-day operations as a founder. Giving employees room to call the shots can spark new ideas and get things done faster. It also inspires people to think beyond just following orders.Key Takeaways:00:34 - The result of holding your grip too tight in your organization 02:36 - Find the middle ground between projects you should be directly involved in and those that can be managed by others08:38 - Giving employees the freedom to make decisions can lead to increased productivity and better ideas10:20 - Stepping in when it's necessary to realign urgency or quality12:54 - Not all opinions weigh the same15:28 - Trying to be involved in every task or decision reduces the organization's effectiveness22:48 - Intent prompts people to think independently instead of just following a set of instructions, as described in the book Turn the Ship Around.Links and Resources:Staying Out of It Blog Post by Jason FriedTurn The Ship Around bookBlue Ocean Strategy bookBooks by 37signalsSign up for a 30-day free trial at Basecamp.comHEY World | HEYThe REWORK podcastThe Rework Podcast on YouTubeThe 37signals Dev Blog37signals on YouTube@37signals on X

Elaine Richards, 37signals' Chief Operating Officer, shakes things up by flipping the script on host, Kimberly Rhodes. They discuss the behind-the-scenes work of producing the REWORK podcast and selecting topics that resonate with the audience. They even dive into Kimberly's background in podcasting and how the podcast has changed over time. Key Takeaways:01:41 - It all started for Kimberly with an event industry podcast05:19 - The process of creating and reviewing the final product10:41 - Expanding episodes from audio-only to adding video12:00 - Creating the video set 14:01 - Broadening podcast content beyond the REWORK essays19:15 - Not all episode ideas make it to air20:58 - Evaluating the podcast stats22:22 - The most popular REWORK Podcast themes and episodesPodcasting Tools we use:Podcast Recording – SquadCastPodcast Hosting – BuzzsproutTranscripts and Captions – RevSocial Clips – Opus ClipEpisode Mentions:David Heinemeier Hansson's HEY World blogJason Fried's HEY World blogThis Week In Weddings PodcastSummer FridaysLeaving The CloudHow We Work: Fewer Meetings, More Check-InsSoftware Has BugsAsk the Founders: Live Q&A with Jason Fried & David Heinemeier HanssonA Matter of Ambition - Part 2Additional Links & Resources:Books by 37signalsSign up for a 30-day free trial at Basecamp.comHEY World | HEYThe REWORK podcastThe Rework Podcast on YouTubeThe 37signals Dev Blog37signals on YouTube@37signals on X

In this episode of Rework, Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson, co-founders of 37signals, continue their discussion on ambition, focusing on generating ideas and the process of deciding which projects to pursue. They talk about the importance of experimentation, and how they decide which products to maintain or discontinue.Key Takeaways:00:38 - Experimenting and seeing what works in the market03:07 - The more you build, the more ideas you generate09:00 - Determining when a product is commercially viable13:18 - The downfalls of overanalyzing a product before it's built17:31 - Balancing ambition with realistic timelinesLinks and Resources:https://killedbygoogle.com/Books by 37signalsSign up for a 30-day free trial at Basecamp.comHEY World | HEYThe REWORK podcastThe Rework Podcast on YouTubeThe 37signals Dev Blog37signals on YouTube@37signals on X

In this episode of Rework, host Kimberly Rhodes alongside 37signals co-founders, Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson, talk about the company's renewed sense of ambition and excitement for upcoming projects. They highlight the importance of keeping things fresh, while emphasizing the balance between ambition and practicality.Key Takeaways:00:41 - The source of the company's ambition explained02:18 - Sticking to fundamentals and simplicity can still have a major impact06:09 - A hefty price tag on software doesn't mean it's good11:29 - How 37signals structures teams for new product development18:17 - Uncertainty can serve as adventure the exact path to success is not known22:32 - A change in priorities is often necessary to fuel ambition24:59 - The motivation is to make products betterLinks and Resources:Books by 37signalsSign up for a 30-day free trial at Basecamp.comHEY World | HEYThe REWORK podcastThe Rework Podcast on YouTubeThe 37signals Dev Blog37signals on YouTube@37signals on X

In this episode, host Kimberly Rhodes chats with 37signals' cofounders Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson about the company's Summer Fridays policy, which grants employees a four-day workweek from May to September. While the perk encourages work-life balance and a feeling of seasonality, there are drawbacks to consider, like reduced productivity.Key Takeaways:00:46 - 37signals' Summer Friday policy and why it was initially introduced03:09 - The trade-offs the company makes with summer hours10:12 - The challenge with summer hours in the pursuit of more ambitious goals13:09 - How the company balances coverage for always-on teams, like customer support16:17 - The effect on team projects that require collaborationLinks and Resources:Samsung shifts to emergency mode with 6-day work week for executivesThe Hawthorne EffectBooks by 37signalsSign up for a 30-day free trial at Basecamp.comHEY World | HEYThe REWORK podcastThe Rework Podcast on YouTubeThe 37signals Dev Blog37signals on YouTube@37signals on X

In the podcast, REWORK host Kimberly Rhodes talks with 37signals co-founders, Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson, about their journey spinning off products. They stress the value of keeping contracts simple and how once the handover is done, it's best to take a hands-off approach and let the new team run things. They share their experiences with boards and underline the need for trust and flexibility. Key Takeaways:00:43 - The steps they took to transition "Know Your Company" into its own independent entity.04:49 - Contracts don't offer as much protection as people believe.10:58 - The differences in spinning off a startup vs. a long-established company.14:53 - Letting capable partners take the reins and run the show independently.18:51 - The challenge in finding the right partner for a spin-off business.20:12 - In any transaction, things may not turn out as expected, but it may be worth taking calculated risks.23:19 - Contracts don't necessarily prevent disputes and can sometimes escalate them unnecessarily.Links and Resources:Canopy, formerly known as Know Your Company‘Know Your Company' Deal StructureBooks by 37signalsSign up for a 30-day free trial at Basecamp.comHEY World | HEYThe REWORK podcastThe Rework Podcast on YouTubeThe 37signals Dev Blog37signals on YouTube@37signals on X

"Consensus is cozy, but broad agreement is not our aim. The right decision is. Which is why we take the time to think, debate, persuade, listen and reconsider and then, someone, decides. If you disagree, that's fine, but once the decision is made, it's time to commit and support it completely."Tune in as Kimberly leads a chat with Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson, co-founders of 37signals, about the concept of Disagree and Commit. Once a decision is made, everyone should be in 100% — no looking back.Key Takeaways:01:01 - Breaking down how Disagree and Commit operates02:17 - Identifying the most suitable person to make the final decision based on the circumstance07:40 - Embracing the "manager of one" concept, empowering individuals to decide independently with reasonable supervision09:33 - Acknowledging that delegating decisions doesn't compromise the emphasis on quality14:04 - Always keeping the door open to revisit and tweak things15:44 - Granting capable individuals the freedom to make mistakes, alongside providing guidance for improvement20:35 - Viewing hiring not just as an evaluation of current abilities but also considering potential growth opportunities.Links and Resources:Jeff Bezos 2016 Letter to Amazon ShareholdersThere's No Speed Limit by Derek Sivers –  https://sive.rs/kimo Books by 37signalsSign up for a 30-day free trial at Basecamp.comHEY World | HEYThe REWORK podcastThe Rework Podcast on YouTubeThe 37signals Dev Blog37signals on YouTube

Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson, the co-founders of 37signals, dive into their book REWORK and discuss the essay “Strangers at a Cocktail Party” with Rework host, Kimberly Rhodes. From their experience, hiring too many people at once can throw off the balance and continuity of a company's culture. They talk about the importance of gradual assimilation and how culture is implicit, not always written down. They share insights on the value of fresh perspectives and the excitement of facing challenges head-on.Key Takeaways:00:30 - Gradually integrating new hires is important for upholding an organization's established norms and values.02:30 - Company culture is nurtured through the daily interactions and collective experiences shared within an organization.05:34 - New hires inject new perspectives and innovative ideas into the mix.07:14 - Embracing crises and novel challenges is part of the excitement of running a business.12:19 - Reflecting on the hiring patterns at 37signals.14:23 - While change is essential for adjusting the company's culture and strategy, it's vital to implement it carefully and minimize disruptions.Links and Resources:The Half-Life of Facts by Samuel ArbesmanAll About Atlas - Boston Dynamics RobotBooks by 37signalsSign up for a 30-day free trial at Basecamp.comHEY World | HEYThe REWORK podcastThe Rework Podcast on YouTubeThe 37signals Dev Blog37signals on YouTube@37signals on X