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Raising Future HEALTHY Adults with Elizabeth Pehrson (Episode 296)   Hebrews 12:11 NIV “No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it.”   *Transcription Below*   Elizabeth Pehrson is a speaker, podcaster and founder of The Exchange. She's a yellow sanguine, who is full of energy and lives life wide-open! She loves Jesus and meaningful connections. Elizabeth is married to David and mother of EIGHT children, who range from high school to graduated from college.   Follow her online:  Instagram: @long_game_parenting or @octomama or @theexchangeus Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/elizabeth.m.pehrson   Thank you to Our Sponsor: WinShape Marriage   Questions and Topics We Cover: What are a handful of habits in the home that you see as most essential for families so that they all can experience a joyful life together? What natural consequences and strategic discipline can you offer as ideas for teens living at home? As parents, what else can we do now to help our kids reach maturity and independence as adults?   Previous Guests from The Savvy Sauce Episode Mentioned: 74 Effective Parenting for Toddlers Through College with Wife, Mother to 8, and The Exchange Founder, Elizabeth Pehrson Part 1  75 Responding to God's Stirring with Elizabeth Pehrson, Founder of The Exchange, Part Two Inspiring Perspective in Parenting with Kay Wyma (Episode 164) Stories of God's Upside Down Economy with Kristen Welch (Episode 174)   Connect with The Savvy Sauce on Facebook or Instagram or Our Website   Gospel Scripture: (all NIV) Romans 3:23 “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,”   Romans 3:24 “and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.”   Romans 3:25 (a) “God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood.”    Hebrews 9:22 (b) “without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.”    Romans 5:8 “But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.”    Romans 5:11 “Not only is this so, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.”    John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.”   Romans 10:9 “That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.”    Luke 15:10 says “In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.”   Romans 8:1 “Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus”   Ephesians 1:13–14 “And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God's possession- to the praise of his glory.”   Ephesians 1:15–23 “For this reason, ever since I heard about your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints, I have not stopped giving thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers. I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better. I pray also that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is like the working of his mighty strength, which he exerted in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.”   Ephesians 2:8–10 “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God‘s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.“   Ephesians 2:13 “But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.“   Philippians 1:6 “being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.”   *Transcription*   Music: (0:00 – 0:11) ‍ ‍ Laura Dugger: (0:12 - 1:18) ‍ ‍ Welcome to The Savvy Sauce, where we have practical chats for intentional living. I'm your host, Laura Dugger, and I'm so glad you're here. ‍ ‍ I'm thrilled to introduce you to our sponsor, WinShape Marriage. Their weekend marriage retreats will strengthen your marriage, while you enjoy the gorgeous setting, delicious food, and quality time with your spouse. To find out more, visit them online at winshapemarriage.org slash savvy. ‍ ‍ My returning guest for today is Elizabeth Pehrson, and if possible, we are going to get even more practical than we did last week, as we're going to discuss ways to actually enjoy parenting, while simultaneously preparing our children to launch as faithful and healthy adults someday. ‍ ‍ Here's our chat. ‍ ‍ Welcome back again to The Savvy Sauce, Elizabeth. I'm so excited to be here. ‍ ‍ This is fun. It's always a joy to get a chat with you, and we're going to go even more practical today, but do you mind sharing some disclaimers about that first? ‍ ‍ Elizabeth Pehrson: (1:32 - 1:57) ‍ ‍ Not at all. You know, when I was growing up, I grew up in the church, and I really looked at "train up a child in the way he should go, and when he's old, he will not depart from it," as a promise. And it really is a principle. And so as much as we want it to be A plus B equals C, it's not always that way. There are certain principles that we are to follow and God's asked us to, and so I think we need to focus on that and leave the rest to him. ‍ ‍ Laura Dugger: (1:57 - 2:28) ‍ ‍ That's so good. So, keeping that in mind, but then also hearing wise tips that we can hopefully implement. How do you think we can teach our children the importance of reciprocity, such as encouraging them to ask other people questions rather than just focusing the conversation on themselves, or encouraging them to do chores around the house, rather than just expecting their parents to do all the work or over function for them? ‍ ‍ Elizabeth Pehrson: (2:29 - 6:07) ‍ ‍ Oh, yeah, this one's right up my alley. I love this question so much. John F. Kennedy, you know, gave his famous speech, "ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country." And I think in the same way, we want each family member to ask not what can you do for me, but what can I do for the family. And we believe that wholeheartedly. ‍ ‍ And so, because of that, we started assigning age-appropriate chores at the age of three. And they have a chore every single day of the week, except for Sunday, even when they're busy, even when they have baseball, football, lacrosse, didn't matter what it was. We have this whiteboard in our home. And it's like the motherboard of all things in our family. And it's got on the top part of it, it has our calendar appointments, practices, games, meetings, you know, meals for the week, like everything you can imagine that it takes to run our family is at the top part. And then the second part of the whiteboard, we have a section that says, “because we clothe and feed you, and then it has their names underneath that. ‍ ‍ And so, when they leave for school, I look at the calendar, I look at everything that needs to be gotten done that day or that week for the family. And then I delegate it to each of the children. And so, I would assign them each a chore. And so, when they would get home from school, it was right there where they would walk in and put their backpacks down and they knew to look at their chore. And they knew that it had to be finished before dinner. And it made it so easy because there was no nagging, there was no reminding, there was no, you know, begging them to do it and following up, it was just so much a part of each of their day, just like going to school or brushing their teeth, it was something they knew they had to do. ‍ ‍ And in addition to that, in our home, when our children turn eight, we have this rule that you are no longer a consumer, but you are a contributor. So, at the age of eight, they have to start doing all their own laundry, washing their own sheets, and lots of other substantially harder chores. And then at nine, they have to start mowing the yard, they start cooking and things that actually really contribute to the family as a whole. ‍ ‍ And, you know, in the last episode, I talked a lot about modeling for our kids, you know, what we want them to learn. And as far as the, you know, talking about asking important, I mean, having them ask questions and reciprocity, it's the same thing as to you have to model it, right? You have to model that for your children. And so let them hear you ask the cashier how her day's going, you know, even if it embarrasses them, or, you know, how you speak to the waiter or the waitress, let them see you notice the neighbor struggling with something in their yard. Like let them watch you thank their father for taking the car to get the oil changed or taking the trash out just simple things like that. You know, something that our mentors taught us that we implemented with our children right away. ‍ ‍ And this was I cannot emphasize the impact that this had on our children enough. But when somebody anybody, but particular an adult asked you a question, you look them in the eyes, you answered their question. And then you responded with a question, you ask them a question that was a game changer. I can't tell you how many bus drivers, teachers, coaches said, “I've never had a student asked me how my weekend was.” I've never once, when they get on the bus asked me, ”How am I doing today? How was my day?” ‍ ‍ And again, it's not for any like praise or anything like that. But my point is, it's so countercultural that it stands out. And it's so important to have your children learn from a young age what it looks like to look an adult in the eye and ask her a question. If they can't do that, when they're older, they'll never be able to advocate for themselves. ‍ ‍ Laura Dugger: (6:08 - 6:21) ‍ ‍ I love all things countercultural. I think because a lot of times it does point back to Jesus, just even somebody experiencing that and having a wow factor. Ultimately, it's because the goodness of the Lord that they've just experienced. ‍ ‍ Elizabeth Pehrson: (6:22 - 6:23) ‍ ‍ Absolutely, absolutely. ‍ ‍ Laura Dugger: (6:23 - 6:38) ‍ ‍ So, do you have maybe a handful of habits in the home that you see as most essential for families so that everyone living there can enjoy and experience a joyful life together? ‍ ‍ Elizabeth Pehrson: (6:40 - 9:00) ‍ ‍ Oh, I'm sure that we do. I think joy in a home is rarely accidental. It's cultivated, it's intentional. And I would just say, ask what brings your family joy, and then do more of that. It's most likely going to be different for everybody. And I can only speak for us. But what we loved, what we did, family dinners around the dinner table were non-negotiable. ‍ ‍ There were seasons around the dinner table, that part was negotiable, because there were seasons, like we had four boys playing football. And so, we would have practices five nights a week and four games on Saturday. And so, we would take the dinner to the ballpark, and we would literally sit there as a family, because I wasn't going to constantly never have family dinner just for the six months in the fall, or winter, or whatever. But we used dinner time to ask intentional questions, to laugh, to tell stories. We joked, we role-played, that was a big one for us. ‍ ‍ Just as a family, we would do that together. And probably the best thing that we did, and the thing that we still do, is we make things fun. We play games, really fun ones. Not that board games aren't fun, those are fun. But instead of, our kids are grown now, and for Easter, they will all come home, and I will have created games out of Easter eggs with all different types. Not going to find them, but just different types. I'll line up 20 Easter eggs with different colors, and then the first person, they get 10 seconds to look at it. And then the first person that can replicate it with those colors. Things like that, what was in the Easter eggs, questions, that kind of stuff. ‍ ‍ One year, we did an Easter egg hunt, where we tied two people together. One was on the back, and the one below was blindfolded. So, the one on the back had to tell them where to go, and what to do. Or we leg-tied their legs together. Just things to make it creative or fun. At Christmas, we always play reindeer games. It's my kids' favorite thing that we do. We've often gotten in inflatables, and we've done an Easter egg hunt that way, where everyone's wearing these huge inflatables, or we play a kickball game. And that was our Christmas card this last year. But just anything that wants to make them want to participate, right? Want to have them want to come home. So that's what I would say. ‍ ‍ Laura Dugger: (9:01 - 9:18) ‍ ‍ I love it. And I don't remember the direct quote. It was from Bob Goff. But just saying how the more outlandish it is, or the more that you add variety or break from the norms, that's what they're going to remember. So, I'm sure your kids have incredible memories of all those holidays. ‍ ‍ Elizabeth Pehrson: (9:19 - 9:19) ‍ ‍ Yes. ‍ ‍ Laura Dugger: (9:20 - 9:38) ‍ ‍ I hope so, anyway. Oh, I'm sure that we'll have to steal some of those. But do you also have any stories to share for the payoff now that you're experiencing? Because when your children were little, you started them off with focusing on chores and hard work. ‍ ‍ Elizabeth Pehrson: (9:38 - 9:39) ‍ ‍ How long do you have? ‍ ‍ Laura Dugger: (9:40 - 9:42) ‍ ‍ Give everything you got. ‍ ‍ Elizabeth Pehrson: (9:42 - 14:13) ‍ ‍ Okay. Chores for children when they are young, it has proven to be the single biggest indicator of success when they're older. Hands down. Chores, specifically hard chores, they teach your kids responsibility. They teach them resourcefulness. It instills in them confidence. It instills in them capability. It instills in them competence. And I could give you example, after example, after example of how I've seen this payoff for my children. And I would say even in some ways, more importantly, how I have seen it negatively impact their friends, whose parents did not require them to work at home when they were younger. ‍ ‍ I remember my oldest son went off to college, and he called me after orientation and he's a man of few words, doesn't say thank you very often. And he said, "Mom, I have to tell you something." And I said, "What?" And he said, "You know, this is a pretty hard school to get into. And the people are competent. They're smart." He said, "I have never in my life seen a group of individuals that are so incapable of doing anything for themselves." He's like, "We're standing in line to get our, what's the ID, you know, their picture taken." He said, "Kid after kid on their phone. Hey, I don't, I don't have a credit card. I don't have a debit card. I don't know how to do this." He said, "I mean, and then he gets to college and it's like, they don't know how to get their oil changed. They don't know how to, you know, make their own doctor's appointment." And he thanked me. He's like, "I'm sorry. I resisted it when I was younger, but I just want to say thank you." ‍ ‍ And, you know, my daughter Libby called me one day and she said, "Mom, you know, you're not going to believe this." And I said, "What?" And so, she tells me of the story of her roommate, and her roommate had not left campus in six weeks. And so, she asked her, she said, "Hey, I thought you had a car here." And she said, "I do." And she said, "Well, why don't you ever leave?" And she said, "Well, I don't have gas." And she said, "Well, do you need money?" And she said, "Well, no, I don't need money." You know, she said, "I thought maybe you needed gas money." She said, "No." And she said, "Well, then what's going on?" She goes, "I've never put gas in my car." And that's not a chore, but that is a basic skill. Think about that, dropping your child off to college with a car and never having shown them or made them get their own gas. ‍ ‍ And then she called me a couple of weeks later. And she said to me, "Mom, did you know it's possible not to know how to hand wash dishes?" And I said, "Well, that's not possible. What are you talking about?" She said, "Well, she was just buying new dishes, plastic dishes. She was buying them because she didn't know how to wash them." And so, she said, "I said to her, hey, like you can just wash your dishes." She goes, "We don't have a dishwasher." And she said, "So I had to show her how to use soap and water to wash her own dishes." I mean, I could go on and on and on. ‍ ‍ I mean, I have another daughter that went off to college, and we were at the very first day moving them in and the mom was barking orders, telling everyone what to do. And after about 10 minutes, I was like, I went outside in the hallway, and I just sat down and removed myself. And her husband looks at me and he goes, "Wow, you learned quickly." And I said, "What does that mean?" And he said, "Get out of her way and let her do it." And I said, "Well, what about your daughter?" He goes, "Oh, she's never done anything for herself. She does everything for her." ‍ ‍ We got in the car to go home. And I just said to my husband, I said, "It's going to be really hard for our daughter because this girl's never done anything for themselves." I mean, I could give you story, after story, after story, but you know, when you require your children to put in hard work when they're really young, you know, they don't panic when life requires effort. Later on, they aren't entitled to comfort. They aren't entitled to other people doing things for them. You know, they know how to contribute, you know, wherever they land, whether it's in a dorm room, a house or, you know, college house or beyond, you know, my kids joke with me. They were like, "Mom, this can be a gift or a curse knowing how to do everything." And I said, "Well, what do you mean?" They're like, "Well, nobody else knows how to do everything. And they know that we do. So, they just want us to do it." And I was like, "Sorry about that. You know, sorry, you have to take care of it." ‍ ‍ But again, it's like, we are trying to train our kids up for independence, not to be dependent on us. And they go off to college or they graduate college, and they're already going to have first, like so many first being away from home, sleeping with a stranger in their same room, your dorm room, like so many things are going to have to navigate. And then do you want them to have to figure out how to do laundry, how to do dishes, how to I mean, no, it's like, wow, chores instill that. And then when they're really young. ‍ ‍ Laura Dugger: (14:14 - 14:23) ‍ ‍ So, did you and your husband sit down and map out everything that you wanted them to know? Or how did you come up with these chores? And what are some more examples? ‍ ‍ Elizabeth Pehrson: (14:24 - 16:09) ‍ ‍ Oh, yeah. And it's so interesting. It's so interesting, because I thought about this when I was thinking about our time together. But there's a book that we read. Well, there's a couple of books that we read that were pretty impactful. But one of them was called Cleaning House by Kate Wills Weima. And so, her 12 things, the idea of the book is to think about all the things you want to know your children know how to do and know how to do well when they leave home. And then you take one month and you just focus on that, that specific thing. And so, we sat down and her 12 things weren't our 12 things. Some of them were, but some of them were not. And so, we just did month after month after month of wanting them to know exactly, you know, how to do these things, you know, when we're grown, or when they're grown. And so we did that. ‍ ‍ But I mean, my husband, anytime he was working on the lawnmower, anytime he was doing anything in the yard, he gathered the boys around like, "Hey, boys, come on," and he was trying to show them or fixing the toilet or deal, you know, whatever it might have been. And I would do the same thing, whether it was in the garden, or whether it was in the kitchen, or whether it was outside with yard work, whatever, just to gather them around and involve them because they don't know. I mean, it's not their fault, but they won't know unless we show them. ‍ ‍ And one of the things I love is that the earlier you start showing them and training them up in these chores, and in this yard work, and in managing a home, the longer you have at home to train them up to do it well. But a lot of people think, oh, they're too young, or I'll just wait until they're older. Well, truth is, by the time they're 16, you really have very limited time with them. Very limited. And you're like, "Oh, when am I going to do that?" You know, they're at their sports, they're at school things, they're driving, they're with friends. And so, it's like, the earlier you can start the better. ‍ ‍ Laura Dugger: (16:11 - 16:22) ‍ ‍ So good, even I'm thinking we could even involve our kids in what else have we not thought of that you want to learn how to do because it really is a gift to be trained and to take that time. ‍ ‍ Elizabeth Pehrson: (16:23 - 16:32) ‍ ‍ I mean, and that kind of goes back to what we've talked about last time, you know, just being lifelong learners and curious, like, I don't know how to do this. But let's figure it out together. ‍ ‍ Laura Dugger: (16:33 - 16:44) ‍ ‍ Well, and I'm going to also link to a previous episode, I did interview Kay on that book. But do you remember the other one that you also read related to it? ‍ ‍ Elizabeth Pehrson: (16:44 - 20:24) ‍ ‍ Oh, yes, there was a season where there's actually two of them. But there is a season where my focus and my priority was riding entitlement from my children. I meet with moms all the time. And they're like, "My children are so spoiled." And I'm like, "Well, just I'm curious who spoils them." You know, and it really does start with us. It stems with us, even if it's the ones where moms will say, "Well, I mean, I don't give them that brand new thing, but their grandmother does." Well, technically, you're the gatekeeper of what comes in and out of your home, you can allow it or not allow it, you can say to them, "You know what, they don't need the newest iPad, they don't need the newest Lululemon or whatever. I want to, I want you to offer an experience with them, you know, something different, something like that, you can control that." But there was a season where that's all I saw. And I saw it in my children's hearts as well. And so, I read the book How to Raise Grateful Children in an Entitled World. And then I also read the book 7 by Jen Hatmaker long time ago, a lot of our philosophies have changed. But back in the day, long time ago, it was an entitlement, it said an experiment against a mutiny against excess. And so, it was another challenge we did, like we did the 12-month challenge from Kay's book, we did a seven-month challenge from her book, and we took seven areas where we have so much excess, and we stripped it down one month at a time. And I'm telling you, it was hard, not only because our children didn't want to do it, but it was hard for me, particularly the month of technology. I mean, you're talking no TV, no cell phone, no, I mean, other than phone calls, you know, no scrolling, none of that, no podcast, no, you couldn't use it just for a month just to have stillness, quiet. I mean, it was crazy hard. But then we noticed that the puzzles started coming out and coloring started coming out and creativity started coming out, you know, it requires 15 minutes of boredom, boredom for creativity to set in. And I would say the creativity did set in, and it was unbelievable. ‍ ‍ One month, we only allowed we got to choose, but we picked seven foods. That's all you could eat for one month. When you went out, that's all you could choose from. It was so hard. It was unbelievable. But what caught me so strongly was in her book, she starts out by saying she had three young children at home, and she was adopting two children from Ethiopia. And she had already been over to visit them twice. And they were literally starving to death. And you know, her heart just wanted them home. But because of all the logistics, she couldn't get them here yet. And she said one day she made fish sticks for her kids. And then she went up to go switch laundry. She came back down a few minutes later, and she saw all the fish in the trash can. And she was like, "What in the world?" So, she asked them, she said, "Did y'all not eat?" They're like, "We did." And she said, "Well, I just saw the fish sticks in the trash can." And they're like, "We didn't have ketchup." She's like, "You just threw away five pounds of fish, you know, whatever it was, because you didn't have ketchup. Yet we have two other children across the world that would give anything to have those fish sticks." And I was like, "I see that with my children. It's like, I don't want that. Or I don't care for that. Or that clothing, I'd rather something else." And so, for one month, they only could wear seven articles of clothing total. That's it. And it's crazy, because you think everyone's looking at you like, "Why are you wearing the same thing every single day?" No one even cares what you're doing. But it just changed your whole mindset and perspective. So, entitlement was a big one for us. And those two books were super helpful with that. ‍ ‍ Laura Dugger: (20:25 - 20:28) ‍ ‍ Well, and even it sounds like a version of fasting. ‍ ‍ Elizabeth Pehrson: (20:29 - 20:53) ‍ ‍ Oh, absolutely. I mean, we've told our kids all you know, since they were young, it doesn't matter what it is. Whatever you can't fast from owns you. It does, whatever that is. And so, some months the food was harder for others for some month, the clothing was harder, the girls, the clothing was harder. You know, the boys could care less for some month, it was a technology, but it's like whatever it is, it's got a stronghold in your heart. That's what owns you. ‍ ‍ Laura Dugger: (20:54 - 23:23) ‍ ‍ And now a brief message from our sponsor. ‍ ‍ Friends, I'm excited to share with you today's sponsor, WinShape Marriage. Do you feel like you need a weekend away with your spouse and a chance to grow in your relationship together at the same time? 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For any of the other parents who are also exhausted and maybe don't know what consequences to utilize as they seek to influence their children, what are some natural consequences and strategic discipline that you've offered before or that you can think of, especially with teens in the home? ‍ ‍ Elizabeth Pehrson: (23:25 - 27:02) ‍ ‍ Yeah. Discipline basically means to disciple, and so we're training our kids up. We can't expect them just to know it on their own and intuitively think, that's not a wise choice, so I shouldn't make it. We're here because they need us. God entrusted them to us. But I love that you said consequences, because that's really the way I choose to look at discipline, because childhood is meant to be training ground for independence. ‍ ‍ Natural consequences, in my opinion, are the best way to do that, because I think consequences should connect directly to their choices, to my choices, because as we tell them, every single choice you make, every single one has a consequence, good or bad. You're going to have a consequence. You reap what you do, so therefore it is so important to acknowledge and recognize what you choose. Not my response to it, but to what you choose. ‍ ‍ You oversleep an alarm, which is, you know, middle schoolers and high schoolers are known to do. You oversleep the alarm, you experience the discomfort of being late, whether that's missing the whole day because you as the mom are busy doing other things, or you're at work, or maybe you just missed that test the first period and you can then drive yourself to school, but you have to suffer that consequence. I'm not going to rescue you from that, or you know, you forget to bring in a project that you have worked on for days and days and days and days, and you forget to bring it in. Your grade will reflect that. That is a natural consequence. ‍ ‍ I had a son, I won't name him, but I had a son that chose to make the decision to cheat on a chemistry test, and the teacher called me and said, in high school, AP, and said, "You know, he's a great student, he made a poor choice, he didn't study, he's busy with football," and she said, "So I'm going to let him retake it," and I said, "No, he chose to make that decision. Please fail him like you would do any other student. I do not want him to ever, ever, ever consider doing this again," and she goes, "Well, it might be on his transcript." I said, "Okay, so be it, but I'm more interested in his long-term character and who he's becoming than I am about his AP chemistry score. I'm more interested in that," so the natural consequences, or to give him a zero on that. ‍ ‍ You know, you have the stud athlete as a son, and they forget their cleats or their jerseys at home. Guess what? They sit out from practice. They sit out from the game that afternoon. You know, it's not going to be the end of the world. Although we think it is, they think it is, it's not. So, I try to think of discipline, you know, not as punishing, but more as preparing them for adulthood, and you know, like we talked about the other day, I encourage moms not to bail, but to let them fail. I mean, it literally could seem like the end of the world to your child, but in the grand scheme of things, it has no bearing on their life later on, but many moms treat every little thing as if, you know, but I just try to tell moms when I meet with them, your child's employer will not care what they made on a middle school project. They won't. If they forgot it and got a C, your employer, their employer will not care that they made a C on that, or maybe even an F. They will not even care what your son or your daughter's high school GPA is. They will not care if you missed that baseball game, you missed that tournament, but they will care if you are hardworking, if you're responsible, if you take ownership for your actions, and I think natural consequences are the best way to teach all of those things. ‍ ‍ Laura Dugger: (27:03 - 27:13) ‍ ‍ Well, and I would assume if we actually follow through, it's so painful in the moment, but it probably doesn't take many times to learn that lesson. ‍ ‍ Elizabeth Pehrson: (27:14 - 29:29) ‍ ‍ No, not at all, and particularly if you have multiple children. I remember I was giving a talk on entitlement and how we rescue our children so easily, and I was setting up, and so I was getting things out of my car, taking things back and forth into this, you know, building where I was setting up, and as I get into the back seat, I see this project that my daughter literally had been working on for two weeks, and when she got out of the car that day, she left it, and I just thought, "Oh, here I am talking about this. I can either do it, nobody will know, take it up there, but then I was like, no, what does that teach her? Mom's going to bail me out every single time," and it was like, ah, it crushed me, crushed me, but I was more interested in what's going to happen for her long term, and another thing, if you have, if you have siblings, multiple children, they can learn from each other, not just from their own personal suffering. ‍ ‍ That same daughter, I'll never forget it. She came home from school. She was in the third grade, and my kids know, like, your schoolwork is on you. It is not on me. I have already been to kindergarten. I have already been to third grade. I've already been to high school. It is on you, and I email the teachers at the beginning of the year. I just want you to know that my third-grade daughter will be doing her entire projects, schoolwork, tests, grade, everything will be her, so please, please grade her on a third grade level, because what's happening is parents are doing their projects, parents are doing their papers, all of the things, and so it's like, wow, hers looks terrible. It is on par for a third grader, though, you know, so I email the teachers at the beginning, and I let them know that they are responsible. They can choose to teach them in any way that they want, discipline them in any way they want, and my daughter came home from school one day, and she had this big thing due the next day, and she was like, "Mom, oh my goodness, I left it in my desk. Would you please email her and see if I can come in early in the morning and get it and work on it," and I said, "Sure," and all my kids were like, "You will," and so I emailed, and I said, "Dear Mrs. Prilliman, she left her, you know, her assignment in her desk. Please feel free to punish her and discipline her in any way that you see fit," and she's like, "Mom," you know, she was so upset, but the other kids are like, "Mental note, I will never do that," you know, so they can learn, you know, from each other as well, so. ‍ ‍ Laura Dugger: (29:30 - 29:50) ‍ ‍ That is a benefit of having siblings. I love hearing those stories. That helps it sink in, but Elizabeth, also, what can we be doing while our children are still in the home in hopes of them experiencing wise financial stewardship and freedom financially when they leave home? ‍ ‍ Elizabeth Pehrson: (29:51 - 32:34) ‍ ‍ Yeah, I'm going to be very honest. David and I were not the best at this. It's not our greatest strength, that is for sure. It is not our natural genius, and with a family of 10, money was always tight. It really was, but we didn't want our kids to feel the weight of that. We didn't want them to feel that burden, but having said that, we did teach them delayed gratification. We did teach them saving before spending, distinguishing wants from needs. That's a big difference, working for what they desire or what they wanted, and they had to participate in paying for part or all of what they wanted, and that included travel sports. I mean, you know, there were times where we had five or six in travel sports. I mean, it's thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars, and so they either had to contribute financially if they could, depending on their age, or I remember one year, my son was young, and he wanted to do it, and it was going to be $2,800, and he was very gifted in baseball, and we wanted him to have this experience, but we knew that it was going to impact the entire family because all of our kids were still young. ‍ ‍ It wasn't like we could leave them at home. Everybody would be going every single weekend to all these different places, and so we said, "Okay, we're going to sit down as a family, and we're going to talk about this," and so they agreed. They wanted him to do it. They wanted to go to all these tournaments as a family, but so we decided that we would not eat out until that was paid off, the equivalent of that was paid off, and anytime anyone wanted to like stop at McDonald's or pick up something, we're like, "Remember, we're paying for Jack's baseball," and it was a family effort, and so, you know, I mean, it could be their homecoming dress if they want something extravagant or things that were above and beyond, you know, over a roof over their head or food on the table or clothes, you know, their basic needs, but just tried to model financially real life, and we all know that just because we want something doesn't mean we get it. It doesn't work that way, and when we give our kids everything they want, I would argue that we are setting them up and sometimes their potential future spouses up for failure because I don't know if you know this, but this generation is the first generation not to have as to make as much or have as much as their previous two generations before them. ‍ ‍ Typically, we make more than our parents and our grandparents, but this is the first one not to, and that's why grown adults are still living at home, so it's like, wow, if we can model this for our kids, you know, that, hey, just because you want that extra thing doesn't mean you get it. You got to work some extra jobs. You got to pick up some extra shifts, you know, maybe ask for some money chores at home, you know, that we would offer them, but we just tried to model it for real life, but like I said, it wasn't our greatest strength. ‍ ‍ Laura Dugger: (32:35 - 32:41) ‍ ‍ Oh, I bet even more of a strength than you realize just hearing that example. I did not know that about the generation. That's fascinating. ‍ ‍ Elizabeth Pehrson: (32:43 - 34:15) ‍ ‍ Yeah, I mean, one of my all-time favorite, there's a TED Talk. It's old. It's like a really short one, and I'm blanking on the lady's name, but she was in college, and her dad was an attorney, and he was very affluent. They had a lot of money, and back in the day, I think this was like in the 90s, 2000s maybe, there was this new pair of jeans that were out, and they were $120, and every other pair of jeans were like 50 bucks or something, you know, 40 bucks, and so she called her dad, who could easily afford it, and said, "Dad, oh my gosh, I need a pair of these jeans. Everybody," she was in college at University of Florida. "Everybody has these jeans. I want a pair," and he goes, "Okay, well, what are you going to do to go get the money?" She's like, "Dad, come on. I know you can give it to me." He said, "No, that's not the way life works," so she happened to be in the student center, and she saw one of those little advertisements, need a house cleaner, and she's like, "My parents made me do chores. I know how to clean a house," so she pulled the little number. She went to the lady's house. She cleaned her house, got the 120 bucks, and the lady said, "Well, when are you coming back," and she said, "Oh, no, no, I just needed one pair of jeans. Like, you know, I'm not coming back," and she said, "No, you did an amazing job." Well, this girl went on to start an organization while she was in college, a business. Now, it's like on a Fortune 500 something. I don't even know, but it's called Student Maid, M-A-I-D, and she had 500 employees by the time she was a senior, and she was cleaning apartments, houses, but her dad had given her the 120 bucks because he could to get the pair of jeans, so it's like, get out there and figure it out, and so I just love that story. ‍ ‍ Laura Dugger: (34:16 - 34:34) ‍ ‍ Wow, I love that as well, and totally different topic, but when it comes to caring for our health and our bodies, if we truly believe our bodies are a temple for God, what are ways that we can model and encourage our children to live wisely in that way? ‍ ‍ Elizabeth Pehrson: (34:35 - 37:07) ‍ ‍ Yeah, I'm glad you said model because really that's what it comes down to. I mean, if they see us beating ourselves up, not prioritizing sleep, not moving our bodies, not eating well, you know, that's what they're going to do. I mean, it's just history has proven itself. You can look at cultures. Those that move their bodies, sleep, rest on the Sabbath, I mean, they're a healthier culture, and so all of those things, you know, eating with balance, not obsession, resting on Sundays, I mean, even in the church world, that's almost unheard of to take the Sabbath off, and I would really say, particularly if you have daughters, not that it doesn't matter for sons as well, but it really impacts daughter is speaking respectfully about the body that God has given you. ‍ ‍ I sadly see so many women talk trash about their own looks or their own appearance, their body, if I could just fix this, I wish I didn't have this, and then they expect their daughters not to do the same, you know, and so when we say, "Oh, honey, you're beautiful," they're like, "Well, you don't think you are," you know, and they see right through it. I mean, I want my daughters to be strong, not skinny, right? I want them to be healthy, not appearance driven. I want them to know that mom got up and went to the gym every morning. Mom made sure she got outside and got sunshine and got on a walk, you know, culture already put so much pressure on these young girls and their size. Oh, my goodness, it like just breaks my heart, and so the last thing they need is for us to start, you know, for striving for unattainable goals, right, that put an expectation on them and their appearance. I mean, that's the last thing that they need, and so David and I have always tried to, well, I would say we tried very, very, very, very hard to compliment their character and their effort, but never their appearance. ‍ ‍ Most of the times when you hear parents applauding and just talking about how good looking someone is, how beautiful they are, it's nothing that they did to earn. I mean, you'll hear something. My son is so tall and big and strong, and I'm like, he did nothing. God gave him that, you know, and if you happen to have a very small son like I do, and if that's what you're praising over here, what does that speak to this child? Or, you know, oh my goodness, you're so beautiful, and so we try to focus on their heart, the internal, their, you know, the stewardship of what God has given them, but never appearance. It's more taking care of the body, and we believe the important part of that is the heart and the soul. So, we just want them to have the goal of honoring the life that God entrusted to them, the body that God entrusted to them. ‍ ‍ Laura Dugger: (37:08 - 37:21) ‍ ‍ Such wise principles, and then when we think about spiritual life as well, what wisdom can you share for parents who want to help their children cultivate a flourishing spiritual life? ‍ ‍ Elizabeth Pehrson: (37:22 - 39:19) ‍ ‍ Well, one prayer for our children is that they would each have a faith of their own, you know, not one that's handed down, not a formula, you know, but a relationship with Jesus, and so with that in mind, we tried to focus on the heart of who Jesus is and not the rules of God. You know, we never wanted them to view God as this like scary judge, you know, with his gavel, like handing down these judgments, but a God who genuinely loves them regardless of what they do, and so we wanted that to be their own unique personal relationship, not one that looks like ours, acts like ours, you know, it's like this cookie cutter, so we encourage them just to pray naturally, not formula, you know, like formally, but we talked about God in a real casual way, like in our coming and our going, not this big Sunday conversation, you know, you have at the dinner table after church, but we wanted them to see our own dependence on God, which was every single day, and we wanted to create space for them to have their own unique personal faith, and one thing I've learned is that faith cannot be manufactured, but you can cultivate the soil where it grows, and I'll just say this really quick, in an effort to have them have a faith of their own, it was so neat, they all went to the same church, but their faith looks so differently, different from their siblings, and there was a time we had all four of them at one college in Athens, and so they're all there, and we were visiting, and I said, "Hey, well, you know, we'll go to church tomorrow morning, you know, with y'all," and they all kind of looked at me like I had three heads, and I thought, "Well, don't y'all go to church, please tell me I'll go to church," you know, that's not what they meant, they all four went to completely different churches, wow, I was mind blown, I was like, "This is the most ecumenical family I've ever met," like I was like, I had no idea that that is how different the relationships with the Lord are, as for what they were seeking in a church, and I was just so grateful for that. ‍ ‍ Laura Dugger: (39:20 - 40:17) ‍ ‍ When was the first time you listened to an episode of The Savvy Sauce? 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You know, we had this big charging station in our kitchen, and so the kids had to put their phones there at night, and it would charge like all of them, and so we could see if the phone was not up at night, and there were some serious consequences if they broke those rules. I remember one time my daughter, after we went to bed, she snuck back downstairs and got her phone and brought it upstairs, and anyway, I kept getting these notifications come through on my iPad, and I was like, "What in the world?" Well, I didn't even realize the clouds, or it's over my head, but whatever reason, hers was beeping on mine, and so we went in there, and she had her phone under her pillow. She was texting somebody, and so when she got home from school that next day, her door was off of the hinges, and she was, you know, as a middle school girl, her privacy was so important. I was like, "You can change in the bathroom, you know, but you have shown us that you cannot earn privacy right now. You don't make the choices with it," but it is really hard. ‍ ‍ I think a lot of people, their natural inclination is just to remove it all from them, but I hesitate to encourage anyone to do that, because the truth of the matter is the world we live in is full of technology, and if you just completely say you can't have it, and the next thing you know they're 18, they go off to college or whatever the age is, and you give it to them, they haven't been in the home where you've been training them up how to manage your time with it, put, you know, limits on the time, how much you can spend on it, that kind of thing, and so it's like you're never going to outsmart your children in technology. They're already smarter than you are, but it's like how can you help them with the time management, you know, letting, talking with them about like what they're putting before their eyes on the technology, that kind of thing. The same goes for TV. You know, we would never watch something in front of our children that we would want them to think is normal ever, you know, and so it's like it's not, we don't want to normalize that. ‍ ‍ Laura Dugger: (42:07 - 42:33) ‍ ‍ That's good, and really I'm hearing this theme, a key ingredient for everything we've discussed so far is actually a fruit of the spirit, self-control. So, knowing that discipline and self-control are actually going to lead to freedom, how can we help our children grow up to live an appropriately disciplined life? ‍ ‍ Elizabeth Pehrson: (42:34 - 45:53) ‍ ‍ Yeah, my dad used to say this thing all the time. He would say, "The slave to the compass has the freedom of the seas. The rest must sail close to the shore," and it's so true. I mean, we have, if you want to do that, you have to come under the authority of the boat. In other words, you can't just do whatever you want on a boat and be able to sail the whole ocean. It doesn't work that way. You have to follow the captain's orders, and you have to follow the mechanisms that make the ship move, right? And so, it's like, but if you do that, if you master that, if you're a slave to the compass, to the sails, so the way the boat works, you can have the freedom of the seas. And the same is true of discipline and of self-control, right? We must exhibit that in order to have freedom. ‍ ‍ And so, when our children exhibited obedience and discipline and self-control, we then gave them more freedom, you know, more responsibilities. And then when they didn't follow instructions, like my daughter with the cell phone, you know, they didn't do what was expected of them. We pulled in the reins a little bit. Dave Ramsey, years and years ago, before I, my children were older, he shared the analogy of the rope, and I loved it because he said, you know, the more your children exhibit responsibility, making the right choices, they're being obedient, you let out that rope. And that one end, it's almost like you've got a rope around their waist. You're letting it out, letting them experience more independence. But then the second that they don't do that, you kind of rein it back in. If they make a poor choice, they stay out past their curfew, whatever it might be, you pull it back in. And so, it's a very important analogy for his family. ‍ ‍ So important though, when his oldest daughter went off to college, Rachel, you know, she goes off to college, he wraps up this beautiful gift, and it was a rope. And it was the rope with the round. And he said, and it had, he tied things on it, like she went to Tennessee, I think. So, it had like an orange thing on it. And then it had the colors of her high school and all these things that represented her life. And he said, "Hey, for 18 years, I've been holding on to this end of the rope. But now it's time I let it go. And I'm giving it to you; you're going to manage that rope all on your own." And so, it meant the world to her because they knew how important and so she put it on her doorknob in her dorm room. And every time she left and entered, she saw that, you know, that rope realizing that she was responsible for how far she let that thing out and how far she pulled that in. And so, discipline, self-discipline is huge. ‍ ‍ You know, at the end of the day, we just wanted to show our children that discipline and self-control, it isn't a restriction, right? It's the pathway to freedom. And I've got to tell you; my kids are more disciplined than I am. I mean, my two oldest sons are 26 and 25. And they set timers on their phone. And so, they literally can only and each other has the passcode so they can't even override it. They can only be on their phone for three hours a day at all for anything. And they do it during the hours where they're at work, so that they know they can't be on it anyway. I mean, it's already self-limiting. And it's like they know that this is a temptation, they don't want to waste that time. And so, and when you see a child when you train up a child and discipline, it's amazing how it spills over into other areas. You know, they both are very disciplined with how many books they read, how far they run every day. Like, I mean, they're very disciplined individuals, because I think it's contagious. You know, that just self-discipline just kind of permeates all the other areas of your life as well. ‍ ‍ Laura Dugger: (45:54 - 46:06) ‍ ‍ And that is so encouraging, because I guess I just envision like, we're planting seeds, and we've gotten to hear a few of the seeds that you planted. And now it grows up even bigger than you could have probably ever asked or imagined. ‍ ‍ Elizabeth Pehrson: (46:06 - 46:22) ‍ ‍ Oh, yeah. I mean, sometimes their discipline frustrates me, because like, I'll need to talk to them, and they're on like a 23-mile run, and they can't talk or, you know, like, I'll want to call them. And they're like, "Mom, I can't use my phone right now." And I'm like, "Come on," you know, but they are, they are disciplined. I just drives me crazy sometimes. ‍ ‍ Laura Dugger: (46:23 - 46:36) ‍ ‍ Oh, I love that so much. So, Elizabeth, as parents, what else can we do now to help our kids eventually reach maturity and independence as adults? ‍ ‍ Elizabeth Pehrson: (46:37 - 51:07) ‍ ‍ Yeah, I mean, again, I can't say it enough. Childhood is meant to be the training ground for independence. So, every single day, they are training you or you are training them. And it's like, are you training them up for independence, maturity? Are you training them up to be dependent upon you? Are you teaching them that your proximity is what keeps them safe? And it's like, okay, so we're going to make these choices when they're young, might be harder on us, because I have mom say to me all the time, you know, I mean, it's just easier when I do it. And I'm like, it is, or they're like, they'll never do a job as good as I do. They won't. But you know what, it's like, it doesn't matter. It's not about what's easy on us. It's what's best for them for the long run. ‍ ‍ So, you know, goes back to that book we talked about, but you can really just think of Kay's book, you can really think about anything that you want to know that you want them to know how to do well and reach maturity and master whatever that is. And, you know, most people, not intentionally, but subconsciously think, oh my goodness, by magic at the stroke of their 18th birthday at midnight, you know, they're just going to know how to do these things. And they don't, they don't know how to do these things. ‍ ‍ I mean, my oldest son went off to college and two weeks after he went off, I came back home and I was at Target. And I ran into this lady and who'd also dropped off her daughter. And she said to me, "How are you doing?" And I said, "I'm fine. How are you?" She goes, "I mean, are you, are you managing?" And I'm like, "Managing what?" And she's like, "Without your son." And I said, "Yes," she would help my son. She goes, "Well, I have to ask you how many times have you been up there?" And I said, "Since two weeks ago when we dropped them off?" And she said, "Yeah." And I said, "I haven't should I ask how many times you've been up there?" She was well, one time she called me because I forgot to teach her how to use her diabetic medicine. So, I had to drive and teach her how to do that. And I thought, okay, in my mind, I'm thinking that was kind of a really big deal to not know how to do. And then she said, "And then another time she called me, and she chewed me out because I didn't pack laundry detergent for her." And I thought, "Oh, you packed her stuff. She didn't do that." And she said, "Well, I mean, you know, I just was doing it for her." And she goes, "I had to tell her I did pack laundry detergent." And she said, "No, the only thing I've seen you pack are those little round things that I've seen you put in the dishwasher." Oh, no, this is what she tells me. And I was like that she's seeing you put in the dishwasher. She goes, "I had to tell her that laundry pods are made too. So, I had to go up and teach her how to do laundry." And then the third time I just missed her. So, I went up there, but I thought, wow, like we are training them to fly from us. ‍ ‍ You know, that is the ultimate goal is that they are independent, that they can leave us. But the hardest thing about it is accepting that success. If you do it well, because that's the last thing you want to do is have your child not need you anymore. Moms thrive on being needed, particularly by our children. But honestly, that is what God gave them to us for so that they can go out and launch onto their own. So, we just started training them up as soon as we possibly could on little things like solving problems or managing their own schedules. That's a big one. You shouldn't be asking them what homework do you have? What tests do you have? What paper do you have? How can I help you? Don't do that tonight because you've got to do your homework. Let them manage their own schedules. Let them set their own alarms. If they oversleep it, there is a natural consequence. So, they won't keep doing that anymore. ‍ ‍ And I mean, I had a daughter that slept through every alarm we ever set. It didn't matter how loud it was. So, I was not going to give into that. So, we literally bought an alarm that was a round ball. And on this round ball, it would be on the floor. And when her alarm would go off, it would roll away from her bed. And so, she couldn't not turn it off. She'd have to get out of bed to turn it off. And so, I mean, there's ways you can do it if you really want to. But, you know, training them up how to advocate for themselves. Most children don't know how to advocate for themselves, which is why the most recent stat right now on Fox News, I saw it two months ago, 29% of college graduates are taking their parents with them to their job interviews. 29% are taking their parents with them. They're 23 years old. Think about that. Let that set in. You know, teaching them how to shop for, prepare, cook meals. You have conflict, healthy conflict. Recover from mistakes. You know, try again. I mean, our job, I've already said it, but our job is not to make their lives easy. And it's not to do what's easy for us. It's to make them capable. ‍ ‍ Laura Dugger: (51:10 - 51:38) ‍ ‍ Wow. You have been so inspirational to learn from. And one more thing on that. When, if we're very encouraged, we're going to be more consistent and do this thoughtfully, intentionally. When we meet resistance from our kids, what encouragement do you have for us, regardless of their age, whether they're whining about it when they're younger, throwing a temper tantrum or giving attitude? What would you encourage us with there? ‍ ‍ Elizabeth Pehrson: (51:38 - 54:03) ‍ ‍ Well, it's not very encouraging, but you will meet resistance. You will. I mean, why would they ever, I mean, my kids had to make their own lunches starting in kindergarten. And my daughter Walker would come home every day and I'm the only one that has to make their own lunch, you know? And I'm like, "You know what? You get to put in your lunch, whatever you want. Every other child has to eat what their mom makes them eat." You know, I'm like trying to show her these things, but the truth is you are going to be met with resistance. But if it ever crosses that line into disrespect, that first and foremost needs to be handled first, without a doubt. There's never a reason for disrespect. And if you allow that disrespect in your sons, they will grow up to be men that disrespect their wives. If you allow that in your children, they will grow up to be employees that disrespect their employees. And on, you know, you reap what you sow. So, it's like, I am not going to allow that. ‍ ‍ Having said that we make our chores on the whiteboard so that there is no nagging, there is no reminding, there is none of that. And so, we put it on there. They know it has to be done. And if it's not done, they don't sit down for dinner. And then once our kids hit middle school and they had practices after school and high school practices and things like that, they couldn't do it before dinner because they didn't get home until dinner or sometimes afterwards. So, it had to be done before they went to bed. And if they didn't, I didn't nag, I didn't get upset with them. But the next day when they walked up and saw the whiteboard, their second chore was incredibly time consuming and incredibly hard because they did not do the chore from the day before. Because again, we're modeling real life. Just because you had a full day doesn't mean you get to walk in the door, kick off your heels at night and just assert all your responsibilities. Not at all. You have to still do it. And so, it's like you've chosen to play these sports. You've chosen to do these travel things and you're still a part of this family. So, it's like encourage them in a way to do these things that doesn't impact you. Like you don't want to get into this, you know, match back and forth trying to explain to them why it's important. It's just a rule. It is what it is. That's why I like it on the whiteboard. There's no, there's no having to nag, having to check, but just don't allow the disrespect is the big thing when they kind of meet you with resistance. But again, what child's going to be like, "Sure, mom, I want to take on this." They're not going to, you know, I, like I said, my oldest, he did not enjoy doing all the things that he had to do. And there came a day he went to college and he was so grateful, so grateful that he knew how to do those things. ‍ ‍ Laura Dugger: (54:04 - 54:07) ‍ ‍ So, we're going for that long term. Thank you. ‍ ‍ Elizabeth Pehrson: (54:07 - 54:09) ‍ ‍ Always, always long game parenting. ‍ ‍ Laura Dugger: (54:10 - 54:19) ‍ ‍ Well, Elizabeth, you have given us so much in these weeks together, but where would you like to direct us to continue learning from you after this chat? ‍ ‍ Elizabeth Pehrson: (54:19 - 54:49) ‍ ‍ Well, if women live in Atlanta, we do have the exchange, which is local and coming, and I would love for them to come to that. We also have our podcasts on purpose with, which encourages women to live on purpose and with intention. You know, I just absolutely love connecting with women that want to live wholeheartedly this one beautiful life we've been given. So, I'd love for them to reach out to me on Instagram. I've got my personal handle as Octomama. I also have the exchange US and long game parenting. ‍ ‍ Laura Dugger: (54:50 - 55:09) ‍ ‍ Wonderful. We will provide all of those links in the show notes for today's episode. And I just have one more question for you. We are called The Savvy Sauce because savvy is synonymous with practical knowledge. And so, as my final question for you today, Elizabeth, what is your savvy sauce? ‍ ‍ Elizabeth Pehrson: (55:09 - 56:01) ‍ ‍ My savvy sauce today, based on what we've spoken about, I would say to the women listening to the very best of your ability, it's going to be difficult. It is not going to be easy, but to the very best of your ability, stop over functioning for your children. And over functioning is simply doing for your children what they can and should be doing for themselves. And my favorite mantra that I tell moms all the time is just because you can do provide or give doesn't mean you should just because you can do provide or give, it doesn't mean you should. So, if you want to have grateful children, do less, not more. You want to raise children that have a respect for other people, do less, not more. If you want to raise de

In this episode of Stories from the River, host and CEO Charlie Malouf welcomes keynote speaker and author Kristen Hadeed, fresh off her impactful talk at Broad River Retail's “Pioneering the Path - a Purpose 8:28 Experience” leadership event. Kristen opens up about her unexpected journey—accidentally launching the cleaning company Student Maid at just 19, navigating major failures, and discovering her passion for human-centered leadership. What began as a student side-hustle quickly became a laboratory for learning, where she uncovered how trust, communication, and belief in people can transform a culture. Kristen reveals the pivotal conversation with her friend and colleague Monique that ultimately shifted her company's purpose, evolving from her cleaning company Student Maid to a leadership development organization. Her story sets the stage for a larger message: leadership isn't about perfection—it's about courage, connection, and owning our impact. Charlie and Kristen also discuss how she prepares her keynotes, customizing every presentation to the culture and needs of her audience rather than delivering a pre-packaged speech. Together, they unpack themes from her session, including the power of a “resilience résumé,” confronting imposter syndrome, and recognizing fear as a signal that something truly meaningful is on the line. Kristen's vulnerability, humor, and practical wisdom invite Memory Makers to lead with heart, take ownership, and collaborate boldly with courageous conversations. From her first interactions with Broad River, Kristen says she immediately felt the authenticity and electricity of the culture. Part 1 captures that energy—an inspiring conversation about growth, intentional leadership, and the courage to build environments where people can thrive. Come back for part two of this conversation on Thursday! Additional Resources:  Kristen's Leadership Development Company Website - https://www.kristenhadeed.com   Permission to Screw Up by Kristen Hadeed - https://www.amazon.com/Permission-Screw-Up-Learned-Everything/dp/1591848296   The Human Leadership Program by Kristen Hadeed -  https://www.kristenhadeed.com/humanleadershipprogram   Kristen's Original 2012 TED Talk with over 3.3M Views: How to Retire by 20 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDvoGev5_tk   Kristen Hadeed and Millennials on the Truly Human Leadership podcast: https://feeds.libsyn.com/67290/podcast/ep-19-kristen-hadeed-and-millennials   Kristen Hadeed and Millennials on the Truly Human Leadership on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/truly-human-leadership/id992577373?i=1000581569564   The War of Art by Steven Pressfield - https://www.amazon.com/War-Art-Through-Creative-Battles/dp/1936891026   The Imposter Phenomenon by Dr. Pauline Rose Clance - https://paulineroseclance.com/impostor_phenomenon.html   Silence the Imposter by Gary Frey - https://www.amazon.com/Silence-Imposter-Weapons-Syndrome/dp/B0CJLLLV61   Combining Ministry and Football: The Unique Path of Pittsburgh Steelers Chaplain Kent Chevalier - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJuLje81LNE   Arthur Brooks - The Power of Teaching, The Arrival Fallacy, The Mad Scientist Profile, Lifting Heavy Weights, & The Two Best Practices To Be Happy - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-learning-leader-show-with-ryan-hawk/id985396258?i=1000725431986     Watch this episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/XOAGyXo5auw    Visit https://www.storiesfromtheriver.com for more episodes.  Broad River Retail brought this show to you. Visit https://BroadRiverRetail.com      Follow us on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/broad-river-retail  

In this episode of Stories from the River, host and CEO Charlie Malouf welcomes keynote speaker and author Kristen Hadeed, fresh off her impactful talk at Broad River Retail's “Pioneering the Path - a Purpose 8:28 Experience” leadership event. Kristen opens up about her unexpected journey—accidentally launching the cleaning company Student Maid at just 19, navigating major failures, and discovering her passion for human-centered leadership. What began as a student side-hustle quickly became a laboratory for learning, where she uncovered how trust, communication, and belief in people can transform a culture. Kristen reveals the pivotal conversation with her friend and colleague Monique that ultimately shifted her company's purpose, evolving from her cleaning company Student Maid to a leadership development organization. Her story sets the stage for a larger message: leadership isn't about perfection—it's about courage, connection, and owning our impact. Charlie and Kristen also discuss how she prepares her keynotes, customizing every presentation to the culture and needs of her audience rather than delivering a pre-packaged speech. Together, they unpack themes from her session, including the power of a “resilience résumé,” confronting imposter syndrome, and recognizing fear as a signal that something truly meaningful is on the line. Kristen's vulnerability, humor, and practical wisdom invite Memory Makers to lead with heart, take ownership, and collaborate boldly with courageous conversations. From her first interactions with Broad River, Kristen says she immediately felt the authenticity and electricity of the culture. Part 1 captures that energy—an inspiring conversation about growth, intentional leadership, and the courage to build environments where people can thrive. Come back for part two of this conversation on Thursday! Additional Resources:  Kristen's Leadership Development Company Website - https://www.kristenhadeed.com   Permission to Screw Up by Kristen Hadeed - https://www.amazon.com/Permission-Screw-Up-Learned-Everything/dp/1591848296   The Human Leadership Program by Kristen Hadeed -  https://www.kristenhadeed.com/humanleadershipprogram   Kristen's Original 2012 TED Talk with over 3.3M Views: How to Retire by 20 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDvoGev5_tk   Kristen Hadeed and Millennials on the Truly Human Leadership podcast: https://feeds.libsyn.com/67290/podcast/ep-19-kristen-hadeed-and-millennials   Kristen Hadeed and Millennials on the Truly Human Leadership on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/truly-human-leadership/id992577373?i=1000581569564   The War of Art by Steven Pressfield - https://www.amazon.com/War-Art-Through-Creative-Battles/dp/1936891026   The Imposter Phenomenon by Dr. Pauline Rose Clance - https://paulineroseclance.com/impostor_phenomenon.html   Silence the Imposter by Gary Frey - https://www.amazon.com/Silence-Imposter-Weapons-Syndrome/dp/B0CJLLLV61   Combining Ministry and Football: The Unique Path of Pittsburgh Steelers Chaplain Kent Chevalier - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJuLje81LNE   Arthur Brooks - The Power of Teaching, The Arrival Fallacy, The Mad Scientist Profile, Lifting Heavy Weights, & The Two Best Practices To Be Happy - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-learning-leader-show-with-ryan-hawk/id985396258?i=1000725431986     Watch this episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/XOAGyXo5auw    Visit https://www.storiesfromtheriver.com for more episodes.  Broad River Retail brought this show to you. Visit https://BroadRiverRetail.com      Follow us on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/broad-river-retail  

Kristen Hadeed hadn't turned 30 and she was already the CEO of a successful company and well on her own leadership journey. Through her company – Student Maid, an all-student cleaning company – she was able to touch the lives of hundreds of college students and hundreds more clients. She has helped these students work their way through school, but she also created a culture that helps them develop important life and leadership skills. Today, Kristen spends her time helping leaders, teams, and organizations around the world embrace their humanity. She has worked in just about every industry,in almost every U.S. state and several other countries, and in hundreds of virtual meeting rooms. Whether she is delivering a keynote talk, multi-day workshop, or facilitating ongoing development, her goal is always the same: to ignite the kind of human leadership that builds trust, belonging, and wildly engaged cultures. Her work has been featured in news outlets including PBS, FOX, Inc., NBC, TIME, and Forbes. Her first TED Talk has more than three million views on YouTube. Kristen has long been a friend of Barry-Wehmiller and she wrote about her leadership journey in a new book, Permission to Screw Up: How I Learned to Lead by Doing Almost Everything Wrong, that has sold more than 50,000 copies worldwide. Kristen was previously a guest on our podcast for a profound conversation about the Millennial generation. She returned to talk to us around the time Permission to Screw Up was released.

In 2009, at the age of 20, Kristen Hadeed started Student Maid, an all-student cleaning company that grew to employ more than 400 college students in two cities. In 2021, she took the lessons learned from that experience and moved fully into leadership development.  This was our first interview with Kristen, originally from 2016, but she had a prescient insight into the causes of today's "Great Recession." She has been part of a growing generation of leaders who are helping to highlight the sense of meaning and purpose that millennials are looking for in their work. In other words, like everybody else, they simply want to know that who they are and what they do matters.  

In today's episode, Sevana and Tiffany discuss who you should hire when and why. What purpose do key personnel serve, and how would you know when you them? Famous Example - Brian Scudamore of 1-800-Got-Junk (https://bench.co/blog/small-business-stories/brian-scudamore/)Other Brian Scudamore interviews:YouTube Interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDDaHMZYE3sNPR How I Built This: https://www.npr.org/2018/06/07/590234095/1-800-got-junk-brian-scudamoreKristen Hadeed of Student Maid (https://www.inc.com/marcel-schwantes/heres-a-top-10-list-of-the-worlds-best-ceos-but-they-lead-in-a-totally-unique-wa.html)Articles - 4 Secrets to Hiring the Right People Hiring for C-Suite Strategy for Hiring C-Level Exec Books:E-MythAdvice - Spend the time figuring out what you what your company to be and who you want in it instead of just jumping in without much of a vision. Do some soul searching, take a look at your budget to see what you can afford, and hire accordingly.****************************About BBSB - We are two business owners with two very different perspectives on building business, and the business behind that in order to achieve your goals. One of us built to sell, and will continue on the serial entrepreneur path, which means your focus and drive should include very particular tools and tips in order to achieve your goal. The other, is building a generational business, one that can go on long after she's let go of the wheel. This type of business also requires very specific tools and platforms to achieve this goal. Both women have been successful in their own right, but in honesty - haven't scratched the surface!Sponsorship Opportunities - Email us here: thebusinessbehindsmallbusiness@gmail.comWebsite - Check out our website! https://www.thebusinessbehindsmallbusiness.comNotice - As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases. These earnings contribute towards the costs of creating this podcast and we greatly appreciate your support!Disclaimer - We are NOT licensed financial experts, nor do we give financial advice. Anything we share with you here on our podcast, whether it be a personal experience or submission, or advice/tips that have worked for us, or that we believe would work for you should not be viewed as either financial, business, or tax advice. We ask for you to do your research, have open and honest conversations with your company's own support providers and make decisions based upon that. Throughout this broadcast we will share our knowledge and give suggestions and hope you will receive t

CMAA's World Conference and Club Business Expo is just days away and we're back with another preview of what attendees can expect in San Diego, CA. First, we're joined by CMAA Team Members David McCabe, Kim Pasquale, and Jayne Ayers as each takes us through Conference education, the Member Services Pavilion, and the Networking Event – among other exciting things! Then, Kristen Hadeed joins us to preview her Conference session. Kristen is the Founder and CEO of Student Maid and at Conference, she will lead a conversation about real challenges, fears, and help you determine where to go from here. Hear more on Wednesday, February 23, 2022, 9:45 a.m.

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Today Leah and Paul have a fun talk with Amanda Thompson, the "Chief of Compassion" to what was formerly the company Student Maid.  Which has, since Covid, transitioned into a Leadership Company.  She is also the private  executive assistant to Kristen Hadeed, the CEO and founder of Student Maid and author of Permission To Screw Up. Student Maid was a cleaning company Kristen Hadeed had created, unintentionally.  She learned how to be a great leader by making mistakes and learning from them along the way.  As the company grew so did the culture.  Amanda explains to us that their team all work as one to make sure they are leading with love, yet keeping structure.  We learn all about how Student Maid came to fruition, and how some of Kristen's biggest mistakes became the company's greatest strengths.  And then how the closing of colleges due to  Covid forced the natural transition for the the company into teaching others the human leadership skills they were using.  All of these stories can be found in Kristen Hadeed's book Permission To Screw Up.The Kristen Hadeed Team run The Human Leadership Program monthly, which is currently virtual.  Kristen also speaks to companies all over the globe to teach Human Leadership.You can follow Kristen Hadeed and her team on all social Media platforms as user name Kristen HadeedAnd for all information about reaching out to the Kristen Hadeed Team you can go to www.KristenHadeed.comA thank you to our show sponsor Cleveland Cookie Guy.  Cookies can be purchased by messaging him on Instagram at CleCookieGuyTo reach The Paul Conley Life Work Balance Coaching Course write him at Pmconley34@gmail.com  or Follow him on Linked In as Paul ConleyAny questions or suggestions for the Podcast can be sent to our Facebook Page Life Work Balance Podcast or to LKstarkey@gmail.com or Pmconley34@gmail.com

Kristen Hadeed imagines a world in which all organizations have cultures that empower people to keep climbing toward the best version of themselves every day. As the young leader of Student Maid, a successful cleaning company that hires students, Kristen has fostered a unique perspective on leadership, organizational culture and engaging the next generation. In October 2017, she published her first book, "Permission To Screw Up," in which she tells the stories of her biggest mistakes in leadership. She hopes to inspire other leaders to share their "perfectly imperfect" stories of success to empower people with the knowledge that even if they screw up, they can still make it. Kristen and Student Maid have been featured in news outlets including PBS, FOX, Inc., TIME and Forbes. Her first TED Talk has received more than two million hits on YouTube. Sponsor/Partnership: Coinbase is a secure online platform for buying, selling, transferring, and storing digital currency. Other Links: What One CEO Did When 45 of Her Employees Quit (INC)

Amanda Thompson is an American female recurve archer from the United States.  She was coached by Terry Laney. She qualified for a position on the Junior US World Team and competed in the Junior World Archery Championships in Lilleshall, England. She was selected for USA Archery's Junior Dream Team. She won a position on the Junior US World Team and competed in the Junior World Archery Championships in Merida, Mexico. She was selected to be a Resident Athlete at the United States Olympic Training Center in Chula Vista, California. Amanda is currently the Chief of Student Maid. What has Amanda's experience been with Student Maid? (2:19) Amanda instantly fell in love with the Student Maid culture. It is a cleaning company but they provide so much more for their students. They are building the next generation of leaders.  Amanda started off answering phone calls and kept growing the company before becoming head of operations. She was living in Florida at the time and she was running day to day operations. They are all about each person being their own wheelhouse. They believe in not just doing what you love, but also doing what you are great at. One of Amanda's wheelhouse categories is teaching or coaching and developing skills. At Student Maid, they have a lot of workshops and different things you can learn. Amanda states that she needs to be teaching to feel happy and fulfilled.  Amanda is not from Florida but leaving the company was not an option when they moved. Amanda's boss did not want to lose Amanda just as much as Amanda did not want to leave the company and so they figured out how to make it work and that was how they came up with their ambassador program.  They have students running an entire company. That was how their program bloomed. Amanda manages students who learn how to run a company, they run in terms and graduate with a great resumé. Students can say that they worked in a business and that they have experience. How has the Pandemic affected Amanda and Student Maid? (11:43) Amanda believes a lot of business owners, leaders and companies are going through the same thing during the pandemic. It's been an unsure time as to what is going to happen next.  Student Maid has two parts to the business. They have the cleaning company and then they have Kristin Hadid LLC. Kristin wrote a book and she travels the world telling people how to treat their people. At Student Maid, they practise what Kristin teaches. Student Maid would not have remained open had it not been for Kristin. Kristin decided to use the pandemic as an opportunity to talk to people and other businesses about how to care for their employees during this difficult time.  They closed Student Maid at the beginning of the pandemic for their employees. They did not want to risk their employee's health and lives by making them go into other people's homes.  So even though they shut down for a short period of time, their people felt loved and supported during this trying year. They were meeting with their employees weekly despite being closed just to check in and make sure everyone was doing well.  How did Amanda transition from being a competitive archer to head of operations at Student Maid? (20:54) Amanda started archery when she was 10 and she excelled at it. She started to compete nationally and internationally. She made it onto some world teams and have the opportunity to live at the Olympic Training Center in San Diego under her head coach at the time.  Amanda, however, did not love archery, she was just good at it and once you get to a certain level with a sport, you have to love it. Amanda was passionate about teaching and so she stepped away from archery and became a preschool teacher. She was trying to find her passion and teaching was always behind it.  She ended up in Florida coaching Archery at an Eastern Sports Facility outside Gainesville. Still not quite satisfied, Amanda was still looking for jobs at the time. She accidentally ran into Student Maid and it sounded too good to be true.  She thought it was a fake scam on craigslist. She still applied, having never heard of Student Maid before. The interview was the first Interview Amanda has had where the company asked her to interview them to see if they were a good fit for her.  She thought that was really great and she saw the stuff they were doing for the students and the opportunities she would be able to have, coach and make her own. She dropped Archery and everything else and started to work for Student Maid full time.  Student Maid Student Maid is a cleaning and concierge service based in Gainesville, Florida dedicated to empowering the rising generation of leaders. Their goal is to empower them to approach their futures with confidence in themselves and in their leadership abilities. Resources Connect with Amanda: LinkedIn Student Maid: Website Bill Ellis bill@brandingpillars.com bill@brandingforresults.com +1 314-807-0923 www.brandingpillars.com www.brandingforresults.com Connect with Bill on LinkedIn Connect with Bill on Facebook Bill's Instagram: @wcellis   See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Kristen Hadeed is the founder of Student Maid, a successful cleaning company that has employed thousands of students over the last decade that is known for building the next generation of leaders. In this episode, Kristen, an optimist of Simon Sinek's community, discussed how our co-founder Tony Hsieh had changed the way she viewed culture as a young entrepreneur. Listen in to hear what “strong” and “good” leadership looks like for our time. Learn from her how to be more human as a leader, how to create organizations that are more human, and all her ups and downs in her business building and leadership development journey.**This episode was recorded in late October 2019. When Kristen started her journey, she had no idea what she was in for: The average turnover rate in the cleaning industry is 75%, and profit margins hover around just 15%. But even with the odds stacked against her, she built a company that blew the industry benchmarks out of the water. Her people love coming to work, they stick around for years, and some have even turned down dream jobs to join the executive team and build careers at Student Maid.Kristen believes Student Maid's success boils down to one thing and one thing only: creating a place with humanity at its core. A place where people feel accepted for who they are, where they are encouraged to fail and embrace their imperfections, and where they are empowered to reach their potential. Now she spends most of her time helping leaders and organizations around the world create similar environments for their people.In 2017, she published her first book, Permission To Screw Up, in which she offers an unapologetic account of her biggest mistakes in leadership. She hopes that her vulnerability will give others the courage to open up about their own “perfectly imperfect” moments and proudly embrace them as the tremendous learning opportunities they are.Kristen and Student Maid have been featured in news outlets including PBS, FOX, Inc., NBC, TIME, and Forbes. Her first TED Talk has more than three million views on YouTube.

Kristen Hadeed is the founder of Student Maid, a successful cleaning company that has employed thousands of students over the last decade and that is known for building the next generation of leaders.   In 2017, she published her first book, “Permission To Screw Up”, in which she offers an unapologetic account of her biggest mistakes in leadership. She hopes that her vulnerability will give others the courage to open up about their own “perfectly imperfect” moments and proudly embrace them as the tremendous learning opportunities they are.   Kristen has been featured in news outlets including PBS, FOX, Inc., NBC, TIME, and Forbes. Her first TED Talk has more than three million views on YouTube.    Key Takeaways [4:10] In college, Kristen got a cleaning contract and within 3 days, 45 of the 60 people she hired walked off the job. She had no idea she was such a bad leader, but it was a defining moment for her to change. [6:25] Instead of blaming others, Kristen took an introspective approach. That’s because she grew up in a household where failure is learning. [9:55] People don’t trust people who are perfect. [11:25] When Kristen was writing her book, she realized she had a fear of failure as well as a fear of success. [14:20] If you keep people in bubble wrap to prevent them from making mistakes, the business will not be able to grow. [14:50] Kristen defines “empowering” as trusting in someone before they’ve proven it. It’s about believing in someone’s potential. [17:50] Kristen puts the responsibility on her staff to own their own performance plan and to take accountability for their actions. [22:05] Kristen focuses on building leaders not simply hiring people to join a cleaning company.  [25:20] Companies are hesitant to invest in their low-level employees if they know they’re just going to move on. Kristen invests in her employees because she cares about the people. [25:50] People do so much for our organizations, so it’s only natural we give back and. [26:50] Kristen used to be so focused on retention, but has since shifted her focus to investing in people. [28:25] Empathy is really about hearing people, seeing them, and validating their feelings. [30:35] The pandemic has been an excellent time for Kristen to reflect on her priorities as she now feels like she was on autopilot before. [34:00] Kristen always ends her day on a daily reflection, so that she can both learn from the good and the bad that happened throughout her day. [38:30] Listener challenge: When we look back on this time, what do you want to say about it? Live a proud life.   Quotable Quotes “If you’re always trying to be perfect, you’re never going to take risks.” “In our effort to appear perfect, we lose a lot of trust.” “When human beings are in the equation, there’s probably some screwing up that’s going to happen.”   Resources Mentioned Website: Kristenhadeed.com & book resources Permission to Screw Up: How I Learned to Lead by Doing (Almost) Everything Wrong, by Kristen Hadeed Kristen on LinkedIn Kristen on Facebook Kristen on Instagram Kristen on Twitter The Now Habit, by Neil Fiore Why is Everyone Smiling? The Secret Behind Passion, Productivity, and Profit, by Paul Spiegelman The Dream Manager: Achieve Results Beyond Your Dreams by Helping Your Employees Fulfill Theirs, by Matthew Kelly   The Leadership Podcast is Sponsored by:     Cultivate Grit. Amplify Action. Click HERE to learn more.     Free downloads of Quick Reference Guides on Delegation, Time Management, Sales, and more.  

IDOC Practice Management Consultant, Dr. Steve Vargo, is joined by special guest, Kristen Hadeed, Founder of Student Maid and author of the well-received book on leadership: Permission to Screw Up. Listen to this edition of the Focal Point podcast and learn from two highly regarded, published authors on why it's OK to make mistakes, admit to them, and learn from the experience.

Paul Prusakowski was introduced to the world of prosthetics at an early age. A single moment in his life opened his eyes to this new world and he never looked back. He knew he was going to be a prosthesis. As destiny would have it, he ended up at FIU for school where a professor implanted the idea in his head... "bring computer technology into this profession." Hear Paul's incredible journey and let us introduce you to another one of Gainesville's great entrepreneurs that is investing in the success of our community! 5:30 - Paul's story 12:30 - Did you jump right onto that opportunity? (bringing computer technology into the profession?) 14:00 - The seed was planted... so, where was your mindset at when it came to college classes? We're you into your classes or did you just want to focus on the "idea" that had been planted in you? 17:00 - The entrepreneurial itch begins. 19:21 - What got you to Gainesville? 22:00 - How do you generate the majority of your money? 24:00 - Which came first? The prosthetic side or the software side? 26:42 - Being able to see what's ahead... is this a trait you have always had? Can that be cultivated? 28:40 - Have you started migrating your systems to the cloud and what has that been like? 32:20 - Mike shares our troubles with migrating the cloud. 34:22 - With the prosthetics, is it human only? internal or external? 34:40 - What was it like to see the blade runner compete in the Olympics? What's the process like for creating a functional prosthesis for everyday life versus something that's engineered for competition? 38:52 - How many voices are at the table to create something like that (engineered prosthesis for a high-level competitor) and what's the risk? Are there insurance policies for that? 40:00 - Do you get amped off those relationships... being so invested into the success of those you treat? 41:41 - How do you instill that purpose in your team, especially in those that don't get to see the frontlines of what you do? 43:00 - What mindset do you see more in the people you serve... "hope" or "negativity"? 49:00 - What do you feel Gainesville is missing? Where can we improve? 51:49 - How does one go about finding the right mentor? 54:00 - What would you be doing right now if it weren't this? 56:00 - Do you ever disconnect or are you always engaged? 56:50 - Selfishly, what's your business need from Gainesville? GET NOTIFIED of new episode releases by texting WHOAGNV to 484848 Thank you to sponsor Student Maid for their support! https://studentmaid.com/ - - - - - Subscribe to my channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCW1tLSw2Z5MB6Yebj_2pDJA?sub_confirmation=1 You can purchase custom WHOA GNV gear by visiting us here! - https://www.whoagnv.com/whoa-gnv-shop CONNECT WITH OUR GUEST: Paul Prusakoski https://gainesvilleprosthetics.com/ https://www.opiesoftware.com/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/opiesoftware LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/opiesoftware/ CONNECT WITH OUR PODCAST & NOMINATE A GUEST: https://www.whoagnv.com/ Instagram: http://instagram.com/whoagnv Facebook: http://facebook.com/whoagnvpodcast Twitter: http://twitter.com/whoagnv --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/whoa-gnv-podcast/support

Kristen Hadeed, founder of Student Maid, talks with Sara Hannah and Matt Whiat of Chapman & Co. Leadership Institute about the challenges her business has faced during the COVID-19 pandemic and how they've been about to navigate the crisis without sacrificing people or principles.

Collin: "One of the things that has been on my mind, that I've always told myself would never be on my mind, is the possibility of laying somebody off. I saw a lot of organizations, here in Gainesville, first week - cut, cut, cut - I don't want to say they were heartless. I don't know anything about their business. It's unfair for me to make that judgment, not knowing enough context, but the reality was... a lot of people lost their jobs in that first week. I'm the guy that would virtually give up the business to save everybody. I'm very heart-driven versus numbers-driven. We both preach that 'people over profit' mentality, but at what point do you draw the line? At what point do you save the ship?" Hey Podcast Fam! I love when I get to share time with my friend Kristen (Maid) Hadeed! We share so much when it comes to our values in the game of entrepreneurship and there probably isn't anything greater than our love for our people. Join us as Kristen answers this question and so many more in this epic episode! "You have to pivot. The world that existed before this is not the world." - Kristen Hadeed Support Kristen and Student Maid here: https://kristenhadeed.com https://studentmaid.com Love you Gainesville! Zoom Hugs! -------- Join us as we discuss the daily changes and effects of the coronavirus on businesses. During this uncertain time, we ask for your support to keep bringing you daily updates of our Coronavirus Session episodes. If you can donate, please consider purchasing a gift card to help fund the production of the WHOA GNV podcast. https://www.whoagnv.com/whoa-gnv-shop/gift-card-coronavirus If you can’t donate at this time we ask you to support our podcast in other ways - tune into our Coronavirus Session episodes, share the podcast with friends, or leave us a review! We hope you all remain safe and healthy. Thank you to all of our listeners and sponsors for allowing us to bring you businesses and individuals that make you go WHOA! CONNECT WITH OUR PODCAST & NOMINATE A GUEST: https://www.whoagnv.com/ Instagram: http://instagram.com/whoagnv Facebook: http://facebook.com/whoagnvpodcast Twitter: http://twitter.com/whoagnv Know someone that would be PERFECT for our show? Nominate them here! https://www.whoagnv.com/nominate-a-guest/ Join us on the journey and listen on... iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/whoa-gnv-podcast/id1381002391?mt=2&i=1000410719480 Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/whoagnv/ Stitcher: https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/whoa-gnv-podcast Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3vZ0Bg4FJmdx3VPKg4ehMf?si=2ET-VhjXRtqIDUTp_Dau7w --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/whoa-gnv-podcast/support

There is a lot of uncertainty in the economy, but the Entrepreneur Exchange continues to deliver as Michelle Ellwanger with Edge Coaching joins the podcast to share strategies for business owners to combat stress and anxiety as they work through the unknowns of managing through the current health pandemic.  Plus co-hosts Jeff Neuville and Gary Muller discuss businesses that you may be able to start during a health crisis, and some you should not.  Finally, they share their small businesses of the month which range from a  local farm to student cleaners and robotic poultry devices.  It's all here on this month's Entrepreneur Exchange!   CVCC Small Business Center  Edge Coaching    Small Business of the Month:   LFR Farm  Student Maid  Poultry Patrol 

Today, SLI Team members Carol Malinski and Olivia Pence talk with Kristen Hadeed about the current workplace climate amidst the coronavirus pandemic, and discuss Kristen’s Remote Working Guide: How to Lead a Team & Yourself. These dynamic women discuss accountability, culture, and how leaders can persevere in times of adversity.  Kristen Hadeed is the CEO and founder of Student Maid, a cleaning company that has employed thousands of millennials over the last decade and is known for building the next generation of leaders. In addition to leading her own company, she now helps organizations around the world make a lasting, meaningful impact on people by creating environments in which they thrive. She has worked with a variety of industries including healthcare, education, retail, real estate, nonprofit, hospitality, aviation, and consumer products. In 2017, she published her first book, “Permission to Screw Up,” in which she tells the stories of her biggest mistakes in leadership. She hopes to inspire other leaders to share their “perfectly imperfect” stories of success to empower people with the knowledge that their most challenging moments can become their biggest leadership lessons. Kristen and Student Maid have been featured in news outlets including PBS, FOX Inc., NBC, TIME, and Forbes. Her first TED Talk has received over three million hits on YouTube.  For more information on Kristen, visit www.kristenhadeed.com. To receive her Remote Working Guide: How to Lead a Team & Yourself, go to kristenhadeed.com/resources. This resource is available with an option to "Pay What You Can." The amounts raised will help Kristen produce more content and support Student Made employees as they cannot work during this health crisis. For all things SLI, we urge you to visit our website at servantleadershipinstitute.com.

Kristen Hadeed is the founder of Student Maid, a successful cleaning company that has employed thousands of students over the last decade. Kristen believes Student Maid's success boils down to one thing and one thing only: creating a place with humanity at its core. A place where people feel accepted for who they are, where they are encouraged to fail and embrace their imperfections, and where they are empowered to reach their potential. In 2017, she published her first book, Permission To Screw Up, in which she offers an unapologetic account of her biggest mistakes in leadership. You can find more about Kristen at: www.kristenhadeed.com Where Others Won't is recorded in Toronto, Canada, and was created by Cody Royle and Adam Esker. You can book Cody to speak, or learn more about his background by visiting: www.codyroyle.com

Kristen Hadeed imagines a world in which all organizations have cultures that empower people to keep climbing toward the best version of themselves every day. As the young leader of Student Maid, a successful cleaning company that hires students, Kristen has fostered a unique perspective on leadership, organizational culture and engaging the next generation. In October 2017, she published her first book, "Permission To Screw Up," in which she tells the stories of her biggest mistakes in leadership. She hopes to inspire other leaders to share their "perfectly imperfect" stories of success to empower people with the knowledge that even if they screw up, they can still make it. Kristen and Student Maid have been featured in news outlets including PBS, FOX, Inc., TIME and Forbes. Her first TED Talk has received more than two million hits on YouTube. Sponsor/Partnership: Coinbase is a secure online platform for buying, selling, transferring, and storing digital currency. Other Links: What One CEO Did When 45 of Her Employees Quit (INC)

Today, Marcel Schwantes talks to Kristen Hadeed, founder of Student Maid, a cleaning company that has employed thousands of students all around the world. This is a challenging industry, but Kristen blew industry standards out of the water with her innovative ideas, company culture and by focusing on love.  Marcel and Kristen talk about some of the challenges of running a company, and what Kristen does to keep positive and motivated throughout the day. They recommend a book and strategy that can help you transform your feelings about your life. [02:50]We don’t always end up where we think we’re going to! Kristen talks about her company, Student Maid, how she came up with the idea, and what role a pair of jeans played in building her business empire. [04:30]If you’ve run a business, you’ve experienced staff turnover - but Kristen had to deal with 45 out of a team of 60 walking out on no notice. She talks about what she didn’t know going into her business, and how she became obsessed with becoming a leader people wanted to follow. She and Marcel talk about what leadership is, and how to let go of the ‘standard’ definition. [7:30]In a world where retention is the gold standard, Kristen supports her people leaving to do other things. She actively shares her knowledge with people, and formally trains her employees on the kinds of skills they’ll need throughout their careers. [12:25]Cleaning is NOT an easy (or always pleasant) job, but Kristen’s team is motivated to do it. Marcel wonders about the different generations she works with, and she talks about her outlook on what makes people tick - regardless of when they were born. [16:30]Marcel notes that vulnerability is a word that scares a lot of leaders. Kristen shares what it means to her, and the different ways you can practice it to connect with your people. Often, that means making mistakes and Kristen talks about her most epic screw up, and what she learned because of it. [21:00]Compassion is being considered more and more important in professional relationships. Marcel and Kristen talk about what compassion looks like in the workplace, and how to navigate situations where being compassionate isn’t the same as being nice. Marcel notes that compassion can take the form of tough love. [26:00]As part of the research Marcel is conducting, he and Kristen talk about fear and love in leadership. They get into what success means, being afraid at work, the impacts of experiencing fear and difficulties, and those wonderful times when you get to feel love at work. At the end of the day, Kristen thinks that having a team you can trust and rely on makes a world of difference. [29:45]Kristen talks about one of the challenges many leaders experience - and all dread. Losing one of your top people always hurts, and it can have effects similar to grieving. She also talks about a statistic that is tugging at her heart. [36:30]Marcel asks Kristen to talk about what she thinks will make a difference in people’s lives. She shares something she thinks is critical for every business owner, and other kinds of leaders should try to do. [38:00] ResourcesStudent Maid Permission to Screw UpKristenHadeed.com 

Kristen Hadeed founded Student Maid in college with zero knowledge about leadership or running a company. Along the way, she has uncovered some pretty awesome truths about how to build teams and workplaces that are engaged and create results. Kristen's company is more than just about cleaning toilets, it's about building the future generation of leaders. Listen in as she talks about authenticity, limiting beliefs and giving herself permission to screw up. Learn more at kristenhadeed.com Follow me everywhere @cywakeman

There is a massive motivation that flourishes from a simple acknowledgment which you let slip to your colleagues. Likewise, there is a great value that comes from leaders who ensure the success of their employees as they leave and move forward. Judith W. Umlas, the author of The Power of Acknowledgment and Senior Vice President of the International Institute for Learning, Inc., breaks down the five C’s of acknowledgment. She describes how she was inspired to write her other book, Grateful Leadership, and shares how you can join the Center for Grateful Leadership and the perks that follow.Success can be defined by how much your employees are enjoying what they do, whether it’s glamorous or not. Kristen Hadeed, the CEO and Founder of Student Maid, unravels the value of making sure employees are empowered when they walk in and out of the door. The author of Permission to Screw Up, she reveals how we can know if failing or screwing up is just enough to teach us something. She also touches on the power of investing in your employees to prep them up for their future, how to overcome fear and more. Love the show? Subscribe, rate, review, and share!Here’s How »Join the Take The Lead community today:DrDianeHamilton.comDr. Diane Hamilton FacebookDr. Diane Hamilton TwitterDr. Diane Hamilton LinkedInDr. Diane Hamilton YouTubeDr. Diane Hamilton Instagram

Most of us have had to scrounge around for odd jobs at certain points in our lives either to make ends meet or to help save for that certain special thing we've wanted in our lives, but few of us have turned that odd job into a thriving company. This was the case for Kristen Hadeed, who started cleaning houses in college as a way to save up for a pair of jeans that she desperately wanted. 10 years later, Hadeed is the Founder of StudentMaid, a cleaning company based in Florida that helps teach leadership skills to employees to help them move onto their next big thing. I sat down with Kristen to talk accidentally starting a business, the many failures she has had along the way, and how listening to your gut as a leader is critically important. Fair warning: this episode is chock-full of great insights for entrepreneurs. 

We are SO excited to have Kristen Hadeed, CEO & Founder of Student Maid & author of "Permission to Screw Up" on Method Meets Magic. Kristen will be talking today about creating an abundant environment in the workspace where employees can thrive. We are SO excited to have Kristen Hadeed, CEO & Founder of Student Maid & author of "Permission to Screw Up" on Method Meets Magic. Kristen will be talking today about creating an abundant environment in the workspace where employees can thrive. Kristen Hadeed is the CEO and founder of Student Maid, a cleaning company that has employed thousands of millennials over the last decade and is known for building the next generation of leaders. In addition to leading her own company, she now helps organizations around the world make a lasting, meaningful impact on people by creating environments in which they thrive. She has worked with a variety of industries including healthcare, education, retail, real estate, nonprofit, hospitality, aviation, and consumer products. In 2017, she published her first book, "Permission to Screw Up," in which she tells the stories of her biggest mistakes in leadership. She hopes to inspire other leaders to share their "perfectly imperfect" stories of success to empower people with the knowledge that their most challenging moments can become their biggest leadership lessons. Kristen and Student Maid have been featured in news outlets including PBS, FOX Inc., NBC, TIME, and Forbes. Her first TED Talk has received more than three million hits on YouTube.

Kristen Hadeed, motivational speaker and author of Permission to Screw Up, joins the show to talk about her entrepreneurial journey. With a driven spirit at just 8 years old, Kristen was always looking for new ventures to immerse herself in; overcoming any obstacles that stood in her way. Now the CEO of Student Maid, she’s acquired her fair share of wisdom. Tune-in this week for some unforgettable tips and motivation to becoming the entrepreneur you want to be!

Kristen imagines a world in which all organizations have cultures that empower people to climb toward the best version of themselves every day. As the CEO and founder of Student Maid, a cleaning company that has employed thousands of millennials and is known for building the next generation of leaders, Kristen has fostered a unique perspective on leadership, organizational culture, and bridging the generational gap. In addition to leading her own company, Kristen now helps organizations around the world make a lasting, meaningful impact on people by creating environments in which they thrive.

This week we talk to Kristen Hadeed! The founder of Student Maid and author of Permission to Screw Up. Kristen tells us her beginnings as a student trying to raise money for a pair of jeans, having more than half her employees quit in ONE day and the struggles she is still facing as a leader. Learn about the importance of accepting failure and being comfortable not knowing what to do. This week on WHOA GNV PODCAST! Kristen Hadeed 3:10 Podcast success stories 4:33 Kristen’s origin story 7:57 What’s was the craziest thing you had to deal with in your business? 10:50 How have you invested in yourself as a leader? 12:15 How much help did you have when first starting the business? 12:37 How did you handle the seasonality of your business? 17:25 How long ago did you make the decision to downsize your business and how has it helped your business? 24:35 How did downsizing free up your time? And what did you do with that time? 25:38 How many team members do you have now? 25:58 How do you balance your speaking engagements/traveling with your business? 28:45 How often are you on the road? 30:10 Now that you have an influx of opportunities coming to you, how do you choose which opportunities to pursue? 31:20 So you wrote a book( Permission to Screw Up), what has it been like being an author? 32:20 Meeting Simon Sinek 36:00 Difficulty writing and how to know you’re writing the right book 39:10 Being willing to admit and accept, fault and failure. 44:03 What are your core values like and how have they impacted the culture of your business? 48:28 Has it been a challenge having to accept things will not always be done the way you want them to be? 50:38 Has there been a time where you have had to step back into a role or position after letting another person take it over? 53:00 When is the right time to intervene as a leader? 56:18 How do you try to connect with your audience and those who need your advice? 58:00 What is a company you admire from a leadership standpoint? 58:58 Is another book in the works? 59:30 What are some books/podcasts you enjoy? Subscribe to this channel and be informed when a new episode releases:www.youtube.com/channel/UCW1tLSw2Z5MB6Yebj_2pDJA?sub_confirmation=1 CONNECT WITH OUR GUESTS: Kristen Hadeed Twitter and Instagram: @kristenhadeed facebook.com/kristenhadeed Permission to Screw Up by Kristen Hadeed: www.amazon.com/Permission-Screw-Up-Learned-Everything/dp/1591848296 CONNECT WITH MY CO-HOST, TY RUCAREAN: www.instagram.com/bestofgainesville/ CHECK OUT OUR LAST EPISODE: 25 Years - A Gainesville Staple, The Swamp Restaurant | Ron DeFilippo | WHOA GNV Podcast:youtu.be/6muRBWmE1BE Join us for this journey and listen on... iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/whoa-gnv-podcast/id1381002391?mt=2&i=1000410719480 Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/whoagnv/ Stitcher: https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/whoa-gnv-podcast?refid=stpr Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3vZ0Bg4FJmdx3VPKg4ehMf --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/whoa-gnv-podcast/support

According to today’s guest, much of what you’ve heard about millennials isn’t true. She should know: She’s a millennial herself, and she built a nationally-known company by hiring only millennials. Today the Guys continue their interview with Kristen Hadeed, founder of the company Student Maid and author of the bestselling business book, “Permission to Screw Up: How I Learned to Lead by Doing (Almost) Everything Wrong.”

Did you ever make a major mistake in your business? Meet a woman who launched a cleaning business while she was still a college student, signed a contract to clean 800 apartments, then had 75% of her employees quit on their first day of work. Today the Guys interview Kristen Hadeed, founder of the company Student Maid and author of the bestselling business book, “Permission to Screw Up: How I Learned to Lead by Doing (Almost) Everything Wrong.”

It's time to talk about learning from failure. I know. Learning from failure is no one's favorite subject. No one gets excited about failure, but y'all, failure is a reality in life and business! We might as well just learn from it! I have had a lot of failures in my life . . . and in Business Boutique . . . and in speaking. So I've gotten a lot of practice. And today, I'm going to help you answer the question, "How do I learn from my failure?" Three Ways to Learn From Failure 1. Adjust on the Fly When it's possible, adjust on the fly. A few years ago I was booked to speak at Catalyst, talking to women about life balance. Everything I wrote was directed at women and what we struggle with when it comes to life balance. I used stories that were relatable to women and I even pulled stories from the Bible, citing Scripture about women. On the day of the event, I stood at the back of the room and watched the room fill up with people, who were all men. Do you see the problem? I could have gone ahead and given the talk as if I were presenting to women. That would have been the safe route. Or I knew I could adjust on the fly to the failure. That's what I did. I had notes from a previous talk and just scrapped the slides! It was exactly the talk I was supposed to give, and they only heard it because I was willing to think on my feet. The lesson? Don't be afraid to think on your feet and make it up on the fly to save a misstep from becoming a complete failure! Related: How to Be More Confident 2. Deal With It If you make a mistake, drop the ball, or just fall flat on your face, deal with it. Back when I worked as the aquatic director at the YMCA, in the middle of a chaotic day, I made a big mistake. On the day of our mandatory annual aquatics safety training, my director called me to ask why my lifeguards were not in attendance. Luckily there were two options for sessions: 9 a.m. or 2 p.m. But I'd not only forgotten, I also hadn't told a single person they needed to be there. You know what I did? I dealt with it. I went speed walking down the hall to the executive director's office and opened the door. I looked her in the face and said, "I am sorry to bother you, but I need you to know that I have dropped a huge ball. I am taking care of it, but I just want you to know that I am aware of it and I am really sorry." I explained what I'd forgotten and gave her my plan to fix it. Thankfully, I got almost 100% of my staff to the 2 p.m. training. I failed but I did three things to face my failure head on. Own it. It's in our nature to hide, cover up, make excuses, and place blame. By owning it, you are doing the opposite of what most people choose, while demonstrating maturity, integrity and self-awareness. In the process, you're also building trust. Apologize for it. Apologizing shows you're coachable. It demonstrates humility instead of defensiveness, which makes others want to work with you more. Fix it. Doing your best to fix a mistake is proactive. People will respect your ability to try to repair a mishap when one happens. 3. Dust Yourself Off There's no magic lesson with this one. But here's the truth: You're going to have experiences you would never want to relive. There are going to be times you fail so badly it stays with you for a while. Many years ago I had a speaking engagement that I try to forget, and it haunts me to the this day. But you know what? It hasn't kept me from doing the thing I'm meant to do. I kept going. And you can too. Y'all, it's totally possible to learn from failure with these three strategies. If you can adjust on the fly, you might avoid it all together. If you can't avoid it, then deal with it. If you can't deal with it, just dust yourself off and keep going. How to Learn From Failure with Kristen Hadeed Kristen Hadeed is the CEO and founder of Student Maid, a cleaning company that has employed thousands...

It’s time to talk about learning from failure. I know. Learning from failure is no one’s favorite subject. No one gets excited about failure, but y’all, failure is a reality in life and business! We might as well just learn from it! I have had a lot of failures in my life . . . and in Business Boutique . . . and in speaking. So I’ve gotten a lot of practice. And today, I’m going to help you answer the question, “How do I learn from my failure?” Three Ways to Learn From Failure 1. Adjust on the Fly When it’s possible, adjust on the fly. A few years ago I was booked to speak at Catalyst, talking to women about life balance. Everything I wrote was directed at women and what we struggle with when it comes to life balance. I used stories that were relatable to women and I even pulled stories from the Bible, citing Scripture about women. On the day of the event, I stood at the back of the room and watched the room fill up with people, who were all men. Do you see the problem? I could have gone ahead and given the talk as if I were presenting to women. That would have been the safe route. Or I knew I could adjust on the fly to the failure. That’s what I did. I had notes from a previous talk and just scrapped the slides! It was exactly the talk I was supposed to give, and they only heard it because I was willing to think on my feet. The lesson? Don’t be afraid to think on your feet and make it up on the fly to save a misstep from becoming a complete failure! Related: How to Be More Confident 2. Deal With It If you make a mistake, drop the ball, or just fall flat on your face, deal with it. Back when I worked as the aquatic director at the YMCA, in the middle of a chaotic day, I made a big mistake. On the day of our mandatory annual aquatics safety training, my director called me to ask why my lifeguards were not in attendance. Luckily there were two options for sessions: 9 a.m. or 2 p.m. But I’d not only forgotten, I also hadn’t told a single person they needed to be there. You know what I did? I dealt with it. I went speed walking down the hall to the executive director’s office and opened the door. I looked her in the face and said, “I am sorry to bother you, but I need you to know that I have dropped a huge ball. I am taking care of it, but I just want you to know that I am aware of it and I am really sorry.” I explained what I’d forgotten and gave her my plan to fix it. Thankfully, I got almost 100% of my staff to the 2 p.m. training. I failed but I did three things to face my failure head on. Own it. It’s in our nature to hide, cover up, make excuses, and place blame. By owning it, you are doing the opposite of what most people choose, while demonstrating maturity, integrity and self-awareness. In the process, you’re also building trust. Apologize for it. Apologizing shows you’re coachable. It demonstrates humility instead of defensiveness, which makes others want to work with you more. Fix it. Doing your best to fix a mistake is proactive. People will respect your ability to try to repair a mishap when one happens. 3. Dust Yourself Off There’s no magic lesson with this one. But here’s the truth: You’re going to have experiences you would never want to relive. There are going to be times you fail so badly it stays with you for a while. Many years ago I had a speaking engagement that I try to forget, and it haunts me to the this day. But you know what? It hasn’t kept me from doing the thing I’m meant to do. I kept going. And you can too. Y’all, it’s totally possible to learn from failure with these three strategies. If you can adjust on the fly, you might avoid it all together. If you can’t avoid it, then deal with it. If you can’t deal with it, just dust yourself off and keep going. How to Learn From Failure with Kristen Hadeed Kristen Hadeed is the CEO and founder of Student Maid, a cleaning company that has employed thousands of students in the last decade. Kristen also helps organizations all over the world make a lasting and meaningful impact on people by creating environments in which they thrive. In addition to all of this, Kristen Hadeed is the author of the book, Permission to Screw Up: How I Learned to Lead by Doing (Almost) Everything. Kristen wants other leaders to know that their most challenging moments can become their biggest leadership lessons. In this episode, with topics like: Why failure is such a tough topic to take on, but so necessary How to move past fear and put yourself out there How to dust yourself off and try again What personal qualities, habits and beliefs you need to be able to push past fear and failure Why it’s important to share our own failure stories What small-business leaders can learn from failure How to Prioritize Your Time When Everything Feels Important I know it’s a crazy, busy season. But aren’t they all? Here’s a quick challenge to help you prioritize during this season! First of all, know that not all priorities are created equal. But when you have tons of responsibilities, you need to have priorities and determine what’s most important to you. You need to know what comes first and second and third—and fifteenth. That way, when two things compete for your attention, you can make a decision based on your priorities. When you know what your priorities are, decision-making becomes so much easier. So, determine what’s most important to you. It’s your life. You want to spend it on what’s most important to you! They’re your priorities, and it’s your time. You get to decide. #AskChristyWright One of my favorite parts of this podcast is hearing directly from you. Give me a call on my toll-free line at 844.944.1074. You might hear your question on a future episode! 1:16 Three Ways to Learn From Failure 17:18 How to Learn From Failure with Kristen Hadeeed 41:20 #AskChristyWright 51:05 Challenge to Prioritize Your Time Get Christy's Shame Off You download by filling out the form here! Order the new 2019 Business Boutique Goal Planner with the code BBPLANNER at BusinessBoutique.com/Planner and receive Christy’s Setting Goals video that you can watch right now! Our friends at Infusionsoft are giving you their free ebook, Your Strategic Game Plan! Text the word STRATEGY to 480-428-4150. Check out our friends at Volusion. 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In this episode, I take clips from three strong women in business, mash them together and put them into one great "masterclass" podcast. The first clip is from Kristen Hadeed, the Founder and CEO of Student Maid and author of "Permission To Screw Up".  She talks about her growth mindset and how to lead with authenticity. The second clip is from Annie Matthews, a personal mentor of mine and the VP Sales at TechTarget.  She talks about why you should love what you do - and what to do if you don't love it. The final clip is from Cy Wakeman, Founder and CEO of Reality-Based Leadership, keynote speaker and NY Times bestselling author of "No Ego".  She talks about how to remove ego and spread positivity on a daily basis. Enjoy!   Listen Here: iTunes Google Play Stitcher Sign up for the weekly Millennial Momentum Newsletter. No BS, All hustle

In this episode, I take clips from three strong women in business, mash them together and put them into one great "masterclass" podcast. The first clip is from Kristen Hadeed, the Founder and CEO of Student Maid and author of "Permission To Screw Up".  She talks about her growth mindset and how to lead with authenticity. The second clip is from Annie Matthews, a personal mentor of mine and the VP Sales at TechTarget.  She talks about why you should love what you do - and what to do if you don't love it. The final clip is from Cy Wakeman, Founder and CEO of Reality-Based Leadership, keynote speaker and NY Times bestselling author of "No Ego".  She talks about how to remove ego and spread positivity on a daily basis. Enjoy!   Listen Here: iTunes Google Play Stitcher Sign up for the weekly Millennial Momentum Newsletter. No BS, All hustle

Today's guest imagines a world in which all organizations have cultures that empower people to keep climbing, every day, toward the best version of themselves. Being the young leader of Student Maid, a successful cleaning company that hires students, has helped her foster a unique perspective on leadership, organizational culture, and engaging the next generation. She is an expert in developing and teaching practical, ready-made tools that inspire people to take action and her energetic and insightful keynotes and workshops work to unleash the potential in others that exceed their wildest expectations. She works to challenge the millennial status quo and has learned what it takes to create a work environment that brings out the best in people of all ages. Author of Permission to Screw Up, she tells the stories of her biggest leadership mistakes in hopes of inspiring other leaders to share their perfectly imperfect stories of success. She believes sharing openly empowers people with the knowledge that even if they screw up, they can still make it. Please join me in welcoming Kristen Hadeed. In this episode we discuss: her thoughts on leadership: “Leadership is about helping people realize their potential and helping them see it, sometimes even before they recognize it in themselves.” how a big leadership fail fostered her decision and desire to be a great leader, and where she has gone since then. how her parents were paramount in helping her and her sister foster creativity and curiosity. the journey she took in starting her student cleaning business and turning it into an impactful culture. her thoughts on fostering connection, and how she met Simon Sinek, and the role he has played in her career. her methods for networking and maintaining relationships. Listen, subscribe and read show notes at www.OnTheSchmooze.com - episode 110

Kristen Hadeed didn't set out to be the CEO of a fast-growth company or a consultant to companies looking to fix their culture. All she wanted was a pair of jeans. That pair of jeans was motivating enough for Kristen to begin her entrepreneurial journey in cleaning apartments while attending the University of Florida. That quick search for cash turned into Student Maid, a cleaning company that hires students. In the last 10 years at Student Maid, Kristen has had some SERIOUS growing pains including a time where 75% of her company quit on her - all at the same time. She is an open book and recently wrote “Permission To Screw Up”, detailing the biggest mistakes she's made in leadership. In a day where everyone is craving Instagram likes and filtering every picture, Kristen's authenticity and vulnerability is a breath of fresh air. That helps to explain why Student Maid has become a successful company, how she got Simon Sinek to become her mentor and why other businesses are seeking her out to explain how to build such a strong culture. “It's not failure if you're learning from it.” Listen Here: iTunes Google Play Stitcher Follow Kristen: Personal Site Student Maid Site Permission To Screw Up LinkedIn Instagram Twitter Facebook Sign up for the weekly Millennial Momentum Newsletter. No BS, All hustle

Kristen Hadeed didn’t set out to be the CEO of a fast-growth company or a consultant to companies looking to fix their culture. All she wanted was a pair of jeans. That pair of jeans was motivating enough for Kristen to begin her entrepreneurial journey in cleaning apartments while attending the University of Florida. That quick search for cash turned into Student Maid, a cleaning company that hires students. In the last 10 years at Student Maid, Kristen has had some SERIOUS growing pains including a time where 75% of her company quit on her - all at the same time. She is an open book and recently wrote “Permission To Screw Up”, detailing the biggest mistakes she’s made in leadership. In a day where everyone is craving Instagram likes and filtering every picture, Kristen’s authenticity and vulnerability is a breath of fresh air. That helps to explain why Student Maid has become a successful company, how she got Simon Sinek to become her mentor and why other businesses are seeking her out to explain how to build such a strong culture. “It's not failure if you're learning from it.” Listen Here: iTunes Google Play Stitcher Follow Kristen: Personal Site Student Maid Site Permission To Screw Up LinkedIn Instagram Twitter Facebook Sign up for the weekly Millennial Momentum Newsletter. No BS, All hustle

Kristen Hadeed imagines a world in which all organizations have cultures that empower people to keep climbing toward the best version of themselves every day. As the young leader of Student Maid, a successful cleaning company that hires primarily students, Kristen has fostered a unique perspective on leadership, organizational culture and engaging the next generation.  In October 2017, she published her first book, “Permission To Screw Up,” in which she tells the stories of her biggest mistakes in leadership. She hopes to inspire other leaders to share their “perfectly imperfect” stories of success to empower people with the knowledge that even if they screw up, they can still make it.   

Student Maid’s Kristen Hadeed shares her numerous leadership mistakes, how to learn fast, and inspire employees so much they clean toilets with a smile.   You'll Learn: When and how to deliver critical feedback The detrimental effects of praise The power of vulnerability to grow an inspired workforce   About Kristen: Kristen is the Founder and CEO of Student Maid, a student-powered cleaning company in Florida. She helps organizations make a lasting, meaningful impact on people by creating environments in which they thrive. Her first book, “Permission To Screw Up,” tells the stories of her biggest mistakes in leadership. She hopes to inspire other leaders to share their “perfectly imperfect” stories of success to empower people with the knowledge that even if they screw up, they can still make it. Kristen and Student Maid have been featured in news outlets including PBS, FOX Inc., NBC, TIME and Forbes. Her first TED Talk has received nearly three million hits on YouTube.   View transcript, show notes, and links at http://AwesomeAtYourJob.com/ep305

Kristen Hadeed is the author of the new book "Permission to Screw Up: How I Learned to Lead by Doing Almost Everything Wrong." In college, Kristen accidentally founded a business, Student Maid, a successful cleaning company that hires only students. Those early moments in her business life created the foundation that she uses today in business and life. Kirsten imagines a world in which all organizations have cultures that power people to keep climbing towards the best version of themselves. Kristen has fostered a unique perspective on leadership, organizational culture and engaging the next generation. Her first TED talk has received more than two million hits on YouTube. Topics discussed in today's episode include: How Kristen accidentally started a business because she wanted to buy a pair of designer jeans. Why 75% of her employees quit and how it was one of her greatest learning experiences. The value of vulnerability in life and in leadership. Why your job is not your purpose. The importance of giving yourself permission to fail forward. Kristen's perspective of millennials that can help you relate and understand the generation. Kristen's tips for millennials to make a bigger impact in the workforce and in the world. ********************* Pick up Kristen's new book at www.amazon.com/Permission-Screw-Up-Learned-Everything-ebook/dp/B06VXGMCZD/ Learn more about Kristen at kristenhadeed.com Find Kristen on Instagram at @kristenhadeed ********************* Join the Life Amplified Power Tribe and talk to Dan about this week's episode: facebook.com/groups/lifeamplified Learn more about Dan and how he can help you add more purpose, fulfillment, and joy in ALL aspects of your life at creativesoulcoaching.net Be social with Dan on Instagram and Twitter: @CSCDanMason Learn more about your ad-choices at https://news.iheart.com/podcast-advertisers

"Things don't go according to plan and that is the plan." Kristen Hadeed unintentionally launched Student Maid, a cleaning company that hires students, while attending the University of Florida in 2007. Since then, Student Maid has employed hundreds of people and is widely recognized for its industry-leading retention rate and its culture of trust, accountability, and compassion. But Kristen and her company were no overnight sensa­tion. In fact, they were almost nothing at all. In this episode, I chat to Kristen about her journey and all that she's learnt. A few months into starting her new venture, with little knowledge of how to lead her business, disaster struck and 75 percent of her cleaning team quit on the same day. She's learnt the hard way but what she's learnt is gold - she shares all in this interview.

Kristen Hadeed: Permission to Screw Up Kristen Hadeed is the founder and CEO of Student Maid, a successful cleaning company that hires college students. She is the author of the book Permission To Screw Up*, in which she tells the stories of her biggest mistakes in leadership. Key Points The best thing you can do when you screw up is to admit it—and then people will start trusting you. Failure is the best way to learn. If you never admit to your failures, people start to think you’re hiding something and begin to lose trust. By admitting your mistakes, you give everyone else the permission to admit theirs. Resources Mentioned Permission To Screw Up* by Kristen Hadeed If Love Is a Game, These Are the Rules* by Cherie Carter-Scott Book Notes Download my highlights from Permission to Screw Up in PDF format (free membership required). Related Episodes How To Lead The Millennials, with Chip Espinoza (episode 158) The Way to Stop Rescuing People From Their Problems, with Michael Bungay Stanier (episode 284) Four Steps to Get Unstuck and Embrace Change, with Susan David (episode 297) Ideas Worth Stealing From Top Entrepreneurs, with Dorie Clark (episode 318) Discover More Activate your free membership for full access to the entire library of interviews since 2011, searchable by topic.

Kristen Hadeed: Permission to Screw Up Kristen Hadeed is the founder and CEO of Student Maid, a successful cleaning company that hires college students. She is the author of the book Permission To Screw Up*, in which she tells the stories of her biggest mistakes in leadership. Key Points The best thing you can do when you screw up is to admit it—and then people will start trusting you. Failure is the best way to learn. If you never admit to your failures, people start to think you’re hiding something and begin to lose trust. By admitting your mistakes, you give everyone else the permission to admit theirs. Resources Mentioned Permission To Screw Up* by Kristen Hadeed If Love Is a Game, These Are the Rules* by Cherie Carter-Scott Book Notes Download my highlights from Permission to Screw Up in PDF format (free membership required). Related Episodes How To Lead The Millennials, with Chip Espinoza (episode 158) The Way to Stop Rescuing People From Their Problems, with Michael Bungay Stanier (episode 284) Four Steps to Get Unstuck and Embrace Change, with Susan David (episode 297) Ideas Worth Stealing From Top Entrepreneurs, with Dorie Clark (episode 318) Discover More Activate your free membership for full access to the entire library of interviews since 2011, searchable by topic.

Kristen Hadeed imagines a world in which all organizations have cultures that empower people to keep climbing toward the best version of themselves every day. As the young leader of Student Maid, a successful cleaning company that hires students, Kristen has fostered a unique perspective on leadership, organizational culture and engaging the next generation. In October 2017, she published her first book, "Permission To Screw Up," in which she tells the stories of her biggest mistakes in leadership. She hopes to inspire other leaders to share their "perfectly imperfect" stories of success to empower people with the knowledge that even if they screw up, they can still make it. Kristen and Student Maid have been featured in news outlets including PBS, FOX, Inc., TIME and Forbes. Her first TED Talk has received more than two million hits on YouTube. Sponsor/Partnership: Coinbase is a secure online platform for buying, selling, transferring, and storing digital currency. Other Links: What One CEO Did When 45 of Her Employees Quit (INC)

After accidentally starting a business (tune in for the whole story!) as a college undergrad, Student Maid founder and CEO Kristen Hadeed has learned a lot about leadership from her mistakes along the way—and you can too. But one of the most important things she’s learned is that no matter what business you’re in, everyone wants the same thing: to feel valued. To that end, she has become passionate about not only growing herself as a leader but also helping her team do the same. Her company may be in the cleaning business, but she likes to say she’s in the business of making her team members better people. You can do the same thing in your own business and if you ask Kristen, the upside is endless. Join us to learn how it’s done. entreleadership.com/podcast How To Create Core Values How To Achieve Work/Life Balance

When you hear the story of the founding of a business, you often get the sanitized version. You only hear the high points. However, it's often in failure that the biggest lessons are learned. Today's guest Kristen Hadeed founded Student Maid several years ago, but the early days weren't always so smooth. She's just published a book called Permission To Screw Up in which she chronicles some of the lessons learned as an entrepreneur and a boss, and on today's show she shares some of the hightlights. == Thanks to Slack for supporting The Accidental Creative podcast. Slack: Where work happens. Find out why at slack.com. Music for the AC podcast is by Joshua Seurkamp. End remix is by DJ Z-Trip.

Millennial entrepreneur Kristen Hadeed talks about how the mistakes on her leadership journey and how it made her a better leader while developing her business Student Maid.

Today, Dr. Jerry Zandstra was able to sit down with Kristen Hadeed, founder of StudentMaid. In 2009, Kristen Hadeed was just another college student who couldn't afford a pair of jeans. Needing cash, Kristen decided to start her own cleaning business called Student Maid. Eventually, her business grew to employ over 500 students. Today, Kristen spends her time running Student Maid and teaching people how to effectively lead millennials. 

This episode of the Built On Purpose Podcast features a conversation with Kristen Hadeed, the Founder & CEO of Student Maid. What started as a way for Kristen to make enough money to pay her way through school quickly turned into something bigger. Kristen had no idea that her little side project cleaning houses would turn into a career. At 21 she turned down a six figure job in finance to continue growing her company which now has two locations and more than 500 employees. In this episode, Kristen discusses millennials in the workplace, being a CEO and founder in her 20's, and what can be learned by cleaning toilets.  Listen to more episodes of the Built On Purpose Podcasts at http://yscouts.com/podcast/