Podcasts about united we pray

Austin Suter is the Executive Director of United? We Pray. Over the last year, I've been learning about how to pray & think about racial strife as a Christian. This episode is a bit heavier than normal, but I think it's extremely important. Learn more from United? We Pray on their website: https://uwepray.org/ --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/hampton-dortch/message

Keep the Faith with Adam Burton: Dive into this week's sermon from Central Baptist Church in Maysville, Kentucky, as we explore the transformative power of collective prayer. Drawing inspiration from the early Christian church and the challenges they faced, Adam Burton delves into the profound impact of united prayer in our lives today. Discover the forgotten power of praying together, the potency of a united front in prayer, and practical steps to become a prayer powerhouse in your community. Stay Connected: Central Baptist Church: Facebook Twitter YouTube Pastor Adam Burton: Facebook Instagram Twitter For more resources, sermon notes, and devotions, visit cbcmaysville.com.

This week we sat down for a conversation with Isaac Adams and Austin Suter from United? We Pray. Isaac is a husband, father, author and the founder of U?WP. He is also the lead pastor of Iron City Church in Birmingham, AL. Austin is the editor for U?WP. He is a husband, father and seminary student at RTS Charlotte and a member at Iron City Church in Birmingham, AL. United? We Pray Talking About Race JM's Album Of The Week: Ray Charles - The Spirit Of Christmas Bradford's Book Club: The King of Christmas: All God's Children Search for Jesus (A FatCat Book) by Todd R. Haines & Natasha Kennedy

Conversations about race aren't going away. In fact, they're just getting started. This week on Truth Over Tribe, Patrick talks with speaker and author Isaac Adams about just that. Isaac is the founder of United We Pray, a ministry dedicated to prayer for racial strife, and is the author of Talking About Race: Gospel Hope for Hard Conversations. Hear Isaac share several resources and tips for helping direct our conversations about race in the right direction. Listen now!Resources:Talking about Race: Gospel Hope for Hard ConversationsSubscribe To Our BlogHow Tribal Are You?Ok, truth time... Did you like this episode? Tell us by leaving a rating or review!

Episode 17. Blake Long's work has been featured on Challies.com, For the Church, 9Marks, United We Pray, Servants of Grace, Gospel-Centered Discipleship, Monergism.com, and The Aquila Report. He has his own blog at theology-and-life.com. He is the author of an important book called 'Gospel Smugness.'

Episode 17. Blake Long's work has been featured on Challies.com, For the Church, 9Marks, United We Pray, Servants of Grace, Gospel-Centered Discipleship, Monergism.com, and The Aquila Report. He has his own blog at theology-and-life.com. He is the author of an important book called 'Gospel Smugness.'

Episode 17. Blake Long's work has been featured on Challies.com, For the Church, 9Marks, United We Pray, Servants of Grace, Gospel-Centered Discipleship, Monergism.com, and The Aquila Report. He has his own blog at theology-and-life.com. He is the author of an important book called 'Gospel Smugness.'

Isaac Adams unpacks certain painful aspects of the broken trust in American culture and in the church. He talks about the challenges of being profiled, leaned upon as people’s “one black friend,” de facto segregated society, redlining, over-policing, and the long tail of the cumulative effects of these and a number of other things. Adams  explains how public videos like George Floyd elicit secondary trauma in black persons due to other negative incidents from their own lives, as well as the ways in which there is a greater collective cultural dynamic. Adams unpacks the ways in which people interpret data and encourages how it relates to humility, compassion, and kindness. Encouraging us to believe black people when they share their experiences instead of putting them on trial, Adams also urges us to pray for human flourishing in this cultural moment, sharing why he started United? We Pray.The hosts and Isaac Adams discuss:Introduction and background for Isaac (1:51)“Why is there so much anger out there?” (3:36)Factors (injustices) that fuel anger (8:14)Black people in plain sight, yet unseen (13:00)Basic primer on historical racial pains (13:36)Redlining, accumulated wealth, over-policing, and a growing national concern (16:58)The symbolism of a police knee on a George Floyd’s neck (22:04)Why we should care (26:52)Personal experiences of racism in Israel Adams’ life (28:49)Continuing to care when you feel overwhelmed (30:50)Engaging the conversation in a redemptive manner (34:38)United We Pray—encouragement to pray together through these issues (40:30)A hopeful vision for the church in these volatile times (45:01)Questions to discuss with your family and community:1. What might be factors that limit our perspective on other cultures? What factors might limit our perspective on acts of injustice? 2. When you think of a racist action, what type of things come to your mind? How might other ethnicities answer this question differently? 3. How might Christians lead on issues of injustice? How would that be different than what the world has to offer? 4. What can we do on this matter that would make the world say, “Wow, look at the way they love each other”? 5. End in prayer. Pray for our country, city, and community. Pray that God would make these places where justice thrives. Pray that God would open our hearts to hear the instruction and rebuke of voices that are different from ours. Pray that God would make us more loving in our listening, speaking, and care for one another, that the world may see our good deeds and glorify God.

In this episode we continue to discuss racial issues in the church with Isaac Adams, pastor at Capitol Hill Baptist Church and founder of the ministry United We Pray.

In this episode, we discuss race issues, the church, diversity and division, United We Pray, and more. Note, this podcast was recorded before either knew of the George Floyd killing. 

Overview: ”One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind.” Romans 14:5How does conscience relate to faith? Isaac and Austin discuss how differences conscience can lead us to differences in acting out our faith, and how to live in biblical community whilst holding different consciences. Join as they answer questions like:Why is a conscience critical to the conversation on race?Does liberty of conscience change what we need to agree on?How does one's conscience get seared or damaged?To learn more about United? We Pray follow us on Twitter or our website. Please consider rating the podcast on Apple Podcasts, and subscribe using your favorite podcast client to hear more!Produced by Josh Deng

Overview: ”Those who give to the poor will lack nothing, but those who close their eyes to them receive many curses.” Proverbs 28:27Is a virus racist? Isaac and Austin explore the news that COVID-19 is disproportionally affecting African Americans. They also explain why we often tie racism today to America's history of slavery.Links & Show Notes:COVID-19, Xenophobia, and a Prayerful Response (by James Choi)King Jesus, COVID-19, And Vulnerable Black People (by Austin Suter)Courtney Reissig: When I Recognized RacePraying About Systemic Racism (by Isaac Adams)To learn more about United? We Pray follow us on Twitter or our website. Please consider rating the podcast on Apple Podcasts, and subscribe using your favorite podcast client to hear more!Produced by Josh Deng

Overview: “How long, O Lord?” Psalm 13:1In this short episode, Austin and Isaac discuss the recent shooting of Ahmaud Arbery, and how his death ties into a long chain of innocent black men murdered in recent history. They talk about reasons why they can’t watch the videos of the events anymore, and advocate a few ideas on what can be done in light of this tragedy.To learn more about United? We Pray follow us on Twitter or our website. Please consider rating the podcast on Apple Podcasts, and subscribe using your favorite podcast client to hear more!Produced by Josh Deng

Overview: "Live in harmony with one another. Do not be proud, but be willing to associate with people of low position. Do not be conceited." (Romans 12:16)Austin and Isaac continue the discussion on unity, diving deeper into the particulars of racial unity. They give insights on how to be wise around the conversation on race, and share ways that people live out their faithfulness in the pursuit of racial justice. Listen in as they answer questions like:What roles do pastors and church leadership have in pursuing unity? Do they have a weightier role?How does your relationship with someone determine how you handle a hard conversation on racial unity?How do the ethnicities of those in conversation on race affect the conversation?Why should we consider giving minorities more voice in the conversation on race? Isn't that the showing the sin of partiality?To learn more about United? We Pray follow us on Twitter or our website. Please consider rating the podcast on Apple Podcasts, and subscribe using your favorite podcast client to hear more!Produced by Josh Deng

Overview: "How good and pleasant it is when God’s people live together in unity!" (Psalm 133:1)In a tip of the hat towards the name of our ministry, Isaac and Austin give a two-part series on Unity, a hot touch word in the conversation on race. Listen in as they discuss:How would we define unity, and specifically, Christian unity?Why is unity so important anyway?What is unique about the American experience that we should pay special attention to unity?If unity is so important, why should we bring up "divisive" topics?How does the manner in which we bring up these conversations affect the conversation itself?To learn more about United? We Pray follow us on Twitter or our website. Please consider rating the podcast on Apple Podcasts, and subscribe using your favorite podcast client to hear more!Produced by Josh Deng

Overview: Austin has a curious interaction while hosting a booth at a recent conference. This makes Isaac and Austin reflect on why exactly it is that we do what we do here at United? We Pray. Surely it’s not for cool points for being part of the “social justice fad”? Why do we care so much about this conversation as it pertains to God’s Church? Listen in as they discuss:How do we help our friends enter the hard conversation of race?How can we encourage confession instead of shame when it comes to their racial realizations?How can we promote humility in our racial conversations without tolerating apathy or antagonism?Links & Show Notes:Check out Isaac Adams, H. B. Charles Jr, and Mark Vroegop’s breakout session at T4G 2020: “Taking Racial Struggles to the Throne of Grace: A Time of Corporate Prayer for Racial Strife Between Christians”

Isaac Adams, Assistant Pastor at Capitol Hill Baptist Church, joins Kevin and Charles to answer all our burning questions about race and church. Listen in as we tackle some difficult subjects such as "wokeness," social justice, and the history of racism in the church. Check out United We Pray at uwepray.com

“Two are better than one; because they have a good reward for their labor." (Ecclesiastes 4:9)In this episode, the rest of the leadership team join Isaac to talk about what roles they play on the United? We Pray team, and why they do what they do.

What happens when people unite in prayer? What happens when people do not unite in prayer? There is great power in unity. Many great things have happened throughout history when people have untied for a good or noble cause. Imagine what great things could happen when believers united in prayer?

Tune in to hear Juan's first interview with another podcaster, Isaac Adams, host of the United? We Pray podcast. Follow the podcast on Instagram @savedandwoke Follow Juan on Instagram @mr_savedandwoke Tune in and subscribe to the United? We Pray Follow them on Instagram and Twitter @praypod

FYI: This episode was originally recorded August 2018. Given that we pushed season three back to 2019, we had it scheduled to release in Spring 2019.Host: Isaac Adams and Trillia NewbellOverview: "Know this, my beloved brothers: let every person be quick to hear, slow to speak, slow to anger; for the anger of man does not produce the righteousness of God." (James 1:19-20).In this episode, Trillia Newbell and Isaac Adams sit with Mark Dever, Pastor of Capitol Hill Baptist Church in Washington D.C. The three of them discuss interracial dating, single-issue voting and racial divisions in churches, the American flag in worship gatherings, and other topics as they talk about the importance of understanding and remembering.The Lord Jesus Christ told us to take his Supper in remembrance of him (1 Cor. 11:24). As Christians, memory is no mere thing. Dever, who grew up in what was formerly a slave-hold state, speaks to why knowing history is so important. Whether it's the history of George Liele, the first American missionary, or the history of the slave trade ending in the British Empire, or the personal history of a friend, Dever maintains that, "It's very hard to have a meaningful conversation about race and American history if you've not studied much about it."As the last two episodes of Season 3 have taken place in Africa, "the continent of lament," as Dever refers to it—join Isaac, Trillia, and Mark as they discuss race, politics, and the local church in the United States.Links & Show Notes:11:45 -- "Why do you think working hard to not oppose either party is the best gospel strategy?" 14:00 -- Education [on race] is necessary but insufficient. 22:30 -- The American flag in our worship gatherings? 32:11 — PrayerIn this episode we referred to our episodes in Africa. Listen to the episode with a Zambian Pastor or a Kenyan Pastor. For more on the importance of American History in the race conversation, check out the episode with Matt Hall.To learn more about United? We Pray follow us on Twitter or our website. Please consider rating the podcast on Apple Podcasts, and subscribe using your favorite podcast client to hear more!Produced by Josh Deng

Host: Isaac AdamsOverview: But do not gloat over the day of your brother in the day of his misfortune; do not rejoice over the people of Judah in the day of their ruin; do not boast in the day of distress. (Obadiah 12)Join Isaac as he heads to Kenya to talk with Pastor Ken Mbugua about tribalism and its hidden faults. Kenya, along with some of its churches, has wonderful diversity as there are 42 tribes there. And every five years Kenyan pastors of mult-ethnic churches are reminded of their diversity. Why?Because every five years there is an election.Mbugua discusses the animosity between tribes such as the Luo and Kikuyu, and how confrontations and conflicts occurred over accusations of rigged elections and police brutality. "Kenya descended into an intense time," Mbugua said, reflecting on the 2017 Presidential Election.One tribe felt disenfranchised. Another felt confused and perhaps callous. And Mbugua discusses how he led his church through this difficult time. He explained why, "You need to do a better job convincing me of your plight," is anything but a helpful response.Mbugua goes on to talk about Western missionaries and how, though the Lord has used them, some have unwittingly done great harm. Nonetheless, Mbugua takes hope because "the Lord sometimes does a lot of good through us but often despite us."Links & Show Notes:3:45 -- The Challenges of Ethnic Diversity9:22 -- "No one is tribalistic in Kenya" 14:20 -- Kenyan Presidential Election 20:53 -- Strength & Weakness in Addressing the Church31:24 -- Reflections on the State of Race in America37:00 -- Missionaries & Race45:00 -- Prayer1. Meet Ken MbuguaQuotes:"The allegiance needs to be not political correctness but rather standing with what the Bible says." --Ken Mbugua"Every five years we're reminded how diverse our church is because every five years we have an election" -- Ken Mbugua"Are there challenges in your church when sinners of different ethnicities come into contact with one another?""We wanted our eldership to be as diverse as the congregation." -- Ken Mbugua"Evidence that made me see that I might be more tribalistic than I want to acknowledge is how I vote. The tribe you're from in many ways indicate seemed to at least indicate who you didn't vote for." -- Ken MbuguaOne Tribe: "The police are just doing their job."Another Tribe: "The police are abusing their power."Come hear from an African pastor how he navigated a chaotic political election and its threat to divide his church."The value in a human being ultimately lies in the fact that they're made in the image of God.""There's one kind of white American that's defensive—'I'm not a racist.' And there's another that over-compensates, confessing things they don't even understand. Neither help the conversation.""Our blindnesses are so deep, our sins are so hidden when we talk about race and tribalism.""Lord, we look to you to grant to us as your church for everything we need to be what you have already made us—which is one in Christ.""Lord, give us a love that doesn't keep a record of wrongs or election votes, and give us a love that is willing to stand up for what's right."To learn more about United? We Pray follow us on Twitter or our website. Please consider rating the podcast on Apple Podcasts, and subscribe using your favorite podcast client to hear more!Produced by Josh Deng

Host: Isaac AdamsOverview: "And they sat with him on the ground seven days and seven nights, and no one spoke a word to him, for they saw that his suffering was very great." (Job 2:13)Come hear a man reckon with the hard history of his lineage: His family sold slaves. To kick off Season 3, Isaac Adams travels through Africa to pray with and learn from African pastors about race, the local church, and politics.In this episode, Isaac sits with Pastor Saidi Chishimba, a pastor in Zambia. Chishimba relays his family’s history through the lenses of the sovereignty of God, the complexity of sin, and the power of lament. How can God be sovereign and slavery exist? How can a man sell another man? How can a pastor smooth tribal lines even in his preaching? How can a president make an effort to break tribal lines? Zambia and the Bemba Kingdom might teach us a lesson.As season three is about politics, race, and the local church, Chishimba offers insights on the relation between tribalism and politics. “Tribal lines…usually hinge on politics,” he suggests, as he goes on to explain the concepts of cousinship and the good that comes from integration.While much good was discussed, Chishimba and Isaac lament the death of Isaac’s father, and Chishimba explains why silence is good medicine in Zambia. “It’s not how much you hug me or kiss me,” Chishimba says in light of someone’s death, “it’s how long you sit in silence with me.”If you’ve ever wondered how to wrestle with individual sin vs. corporate sin, Chishimba offers a faithful model. Come pray with these two brothers, that no tribe would be more devoted to their own tribe than to Jesus.Links & Show Notes:5:00 – My Great Grandfather, the slave-trader14:30 – What is “tribalism” and “cousinship”23:20 – Tribalism & Zambian churches30:39 – Lament: You are the Chief Mourner38:05 – How Chishimba responded to his ancestors trading slaves44:10 – Prayer1. Central African Baptist College & Seminary | This is the seminary Isaac traveled to in Zambia. They’re doing great work. (Isaac may have called it Central African Bible College in the episode!)2. Article: “My Great-Grandfather, The Nigerian Slave Trader” | It’s striking to compare and contrast how Saidi processes the legacy of his family with the author of this piece in The New Yorker.To learn more about United? We Pray follow us on Twitter or our website. Please consider rating the podcast on Apple Podcasts, and subscribe using your favorite podcast client to hear more!Produced by Josh Deng

Host: Isaac AdamsOverview: “Satan dreads nothing but prayer. His one concern is to keep the saints from praying. He fears nothing from prayerless studies, prayerless work, prayerless religion. He laughs at our toil, he mocks our wisdom, but he trembles when we pray.” - Samuel ChadwickIsaac gives us an overview of Season 3 and its focuses. We say goodbye to some old friends and hello to some new. Also, we’re hiring!Links & Show Notes:1. Book: “If God Is For Us: The Everlasting Truth of Our Great Salvation” by Trillia Newbell2. Karl’s website: kmagnuson.comTo learn more about United? We Pray follow us on Twitter or our website. Please consider rating the podcast on Apple Podcasts, and subscribe using your favorite podcast client to hear more!Produced by Josh DengGraphic design by Rob Alvey

Host: Isaac AdamsGuest: Jarvis WilliamsOverview: “Finally, be strong in the Lord and in the strength of his might. Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the schemes of the devil. For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.” (Ephesians 6:10-12)In this Summer Special, Isaac Adams sits with Jarvis Williams, professor of New Testament Interpretation at The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary. The brothers discuss Dr. Williams’ latest work for children and families, “The Gospel in Color — A Theology of Racial Reconciliation for Families.”As the song goes, “Jesus loves the little children—red and yellow, black, and white, they are precious in his sight, Jesus loves the little children of the world.” What do the truths of this hymn mean for us as Christians and Christian parents? What is race, racism, and racial reconciliation, and how does the gospel intersect with these issues? These are the questions Jarvis and Isaac tackle. Other questions include:Is the Christian perspective on these matters to ignore racial difference?How can anti-racist work be gospel work?What does forgiveness look like in this conversation?Why does prayer matter in this conversation?What is whiteness? What is blackness?Why is there something particularly redemptive about an *African-American* man teaching at The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary?Jarvis goes on to share what it’s like to be a parent of color and a Christian. At a Christian School, Jarvis’ son was told by a classmate that he was stupid because his skin was brown. Jarvis went on to teach his son why his skin color shouldn’t be an object of shame, and why God loves his brown skin.There are more reasons to talk about race with our children. Three Jarvis and his co-author, Curtis Woods, lay out are:Current racial divisionsColorblindness isn’t a solution, and it inadvertently perpetuates the racism it seeks to avoidRace is a systemic problemJoin Isaac and Jarvis for prayer, and check out this latest resource for parents and their children.Links & Show Notes:1. Book: “Mississippi Praying: Southern White Evangelicals and the Civil Rights Movement, 1945-1975” by Carolyn Renée Dupont2. Book: “Doctrine and Race: African American Evangelicals and Fundamentalism between the Wars” by Mary Beth Mathews3. Book: “One New Man: The Cross and Racial Reconciliation” by Jarvis WilliamsTo learn more about United? We Pray follow us on Twitter or our website. Please consider rating the podcast on Apple Podcasts, and subscribe using your favorite podcast client to hear more!Recorded and produced by Karl MagnusonGraphic design by Rob Alvey

Hosts: Isaac Adams & Trillia NewbellOverview: “Rejoice always, pray without ceasing, give thanks in all circumstances; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you.” (1 Thessalonians 5:16-18)In the Season 2 Finale, Trillia and Isaac reflect upon God’s grace throughout another season of United? We Pray. They reflect upon 1 Thessalonians 5:16-18 — “Rejoice always, pray without ceasing, give thanks in all circumstances; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you.” This verse becomes the summer, if not lifetime, homework for listeners of U?WP. During this episode, Trillia and Isaac reflect on how prayer is an indispensable balm for wounds that are centuries old. They look back at past episodes, remembering that “racial reconciliation is a lifestyle, not an event.” Racial reconciliation is not a problem merely to be fixed and done away with; it’s an aim to love and enjoy one another and praise God for the different people he has made and united in Christ. Given these truths, “we will continue to pray until we’re face to face with God,” as Trillia reminded us, because there is always work to be done. Join Trillia and Isaac as they encourage anyone pursuing racial reconciliation to endure, rejoice, and pray without ceasing. To learn more about United? We Pray follow us on Twitter or our website. Please consider rating the podcast on Apple Podcasts, and subscribe using your favorite podcast client to hear more!Recorded and produced by Karl MagnusonGraphic design by Rob Alvey

Hosts: Isaac Adams & Trillia NewbellGuest: Duke KwonOverview: “The Pharisee, standing by himself, prayed thus: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector.” (Luke 18:11)Should our conversations about race and the church only be black and white? What is lost if we don’t have a wider conversation, and what is gained from having a broader conversation that includes those of other ethnicities?Korean-American pastor Duke Kwon joins Trillia Newbell and Isaac Adams to discuss his experience as the other “other.” What is it like to be considered different than the norm? How has the model minority myth factored into the race conversation even in the church—and what is that myth?Kwon explains how different experiences can be even within certain cultures. Cambodians experience life differently than Vietnamese, and these experiences can be very different than that of Koreans. And yet, in Christ, we are one — how can we live out that unity? Kwon explains what pushes back against that unity and why many Asian-Americans will take about being perpetually foreign.“No matter how long you’ve been here,” Kwon said, “You’re always seen as different and foreign. People are always asking you where you’re from, and it leads to an ongoing sense of marginalization. It’s a subtle thing, but very impactful: When you get asked ‘Where are you from?’ your entire life, again and again, you start to internalize this message: I must not belong. I must not be from here. I must not be seen as a true neighbor.”Join Isaac, Trillia, and Duke as they discuss how Asian-Americans have been used as a foil for black people and how understanding what it means to be black and white in this country informs what it means to be Asian in this country.“If we’re going to unravel this crazy, broken, sometimes sinful knot that is what it means to be a racial person in this country, we need to get to the heart of the black/white struggle,” Kwon said. He continued to discuss why it is that people draw from other resources besides Scripture in this conversation, and why that leads to defensiveness. Yet it also presents an opportunity to the American church to mix up their conversation and biblically inform it so that conversations about race are a part of faithful, biblical discipleship.Links & Show Notes:1. Article: “Why Asian Americans Struggle to Feel at Home in White-Majority Churches” by Steve Chang2. Article: “Being Asian American in a White Church” by Tim Chiang3. Academic Article: “The History of the Idea of Race…and Why It Matters” by Audrey Smedley4. Book: “White Awake: An Honest Look at What it Means to Be White” by Daniel HillTo learn more about United? We Pray follow us on Twitter or our website. Please consider rating the podcast on Apple Podcasts, and subscribe using your favorite podcast client to hear more!Recorded and produced by Karl MagnusonGraphic design by Rob Alvey

Hosts: Isaac Adams & Trillia NewbellGuest: Miguel DavillaOverview: “By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.” (John 13:35)How can lay church members help their pastors in times of racial suspicion? What is racial suspicion? Trillia Newbell and Isaac Adams sit with pastor Miguel Davilla to discuss the posture church members can have to serve, love, and encourage their pastors in times of racial division. Join them for the conversation with each other and their prayers to God. In this conversation, Miguel talks about what it’s like to pastor a church in a divided country. What are resources that pastors wish they had? How did the racial conversation get to where it’s at? Why are racial issues more prevalent today than they were five years ago? What’s a way forward in a way that we would all shake our head yes to? The answers to these questions are complex, and pastors don’t have all the answers. “We’re imperfect men called to an impossible task,” Miguel says. Part of that task is loving people who might disagree with each other and/or with their pastors. “All brothers and sisters in Christ are all coming to the race conversation at different stages—it’s as though we’re all boarding the train at different stations but assuming we all boarded the train at the same time.” And yet, how do people aboard this train love their pastor? Miguel answers: “Loving your pastor in a time of racial suspicion is about the posture we have — where there’s not this suspiciousness that says, ‘I’ve already created a judgment about where you stand, and now I want you to prove me wrong vs. I’m assuming you’re on the most God-centered view as possible, and I’m hoping you don’t prove me wrong.” Join Trillia, Isaac, and Miguel as they pray for pastors in the trenches of racial division. Most importantly, we pray this episode encourages you to pray for your own congregation. Grace & peace. Links & Show Notes:1. The Whole in Our Holiness Ligon Duncan's message from T4G 2018 Isaac mentioned at the top of the episode (homework assignment!)2. A Quiet Exodus: Why Black Worshipers Are Leaving White Evangelical ChurchesTo learn more about United? We Pray follow us on Twitter or our website. Please consider rating the podcast on Apple Podcasts, and subscribe using your favorite podcast client to hear more!Recorded and produced by Karl MagnusonGraphic design by Rob Alvey

Hosts: Isaac AdamsGuest: John PerkinsOverview: “Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven.” (Matthew 6:10) Martin Luther King Jr. was assassinated on April 4, 1968 in Memphis, Tennessee. Fifty years later to the day, Isaac Adams sat with Dr. John Perkins, an 87-year-old civil rights activist, a few blocks from where Dr. King was killed. There, Isaac heard Perkins’ reflections on race and the church in light of his work and MLK Jr.’s legacy. Originally, Isaac and John were supposed to record on April 3, 2018. Dr. Perkins noted how he saw God’s sovereignty in the fact that they wound up recording on April 4 — 50 years to the day Martin Luther King Jr. was killed. And Dr. Perkins was right. Reflecting on Emmett Till, Rosa Parks, Abraham Lincoln, and Martin Luther King Jr., Dr. Perkins talks about how he was teaching in a rural school when he heard MLK Jr. was killed. He speaks of the vanishing of hope on that day, a “horrible moment in the history of the world.” Dr. Perkins continued to meditate on how necessary prayer is in the work of racial reconciliation. We pray because “the problems are greater than the resources.” If you want to hear how suffering can be redemptive; if you want to hear how God used Perkins’ son to bring about his conversion; if you want to hear this titan of justice and advocacy pray for the church, then this is the episode for you. In this episode, Dr. Perkins seeks to put the gospel at the center of the conversation. Respectfully rebutting prosperity theology, Perkins makes clear that repentance is necessary for everyone because “sin, in its final analysis, is against God.” At the end of this episode, Dr. Perkins likens his life, which he readily admits is coming to a close, to Paul’s parting words in Acts 20. Perkins has done what we could with what God gave him. He has served his generation. He was grateful to come another 50 years since MLK Jr. was killed. Though things have changed a lot, and many things have not changed, Dr. Perkins would say goodbye this way: “You probably won’t see my face no more. I’m saying goodbye like Paul to the church at Ephesus…but it’s sort of joyful.” Links & Show Notes:1. The Final Call of John Perkins A wonderful profile of John Perkins life, written by Sarah Zylstra. 2. John Perkins Has Hope for Racial Reconciliation. Do We? A review of “One Blood” by Pastor Duke Kwon 3. One Blood John Perkins’ parting words to the church on race. There is an entire chapter devoted to prayer in this work, “the weapon of our warfare.”4. Dream With Me John Perkins’ latest memoir. 5. Let Justice Roll Down John Perkins first book. 6. The Sound (John M. Perkins’ Blues) Switchfoot wrote this song in honor of Dr. Perkins. He speaks about it in the beginning of his memoir, Dream With Me. This is the song played at the end of the episode. To learn more about United? We Pray follow us on Twitter or our website. Please consider rating the podcast on Apple Podcasts, and subscribe using your favorite podcast client to hear more!Recorded and produced by Karl MagnusonGraphic design by Rob Alvey

Hosts: Isaac Adams & Trillia NewbellGuest: Dr. Michael EmersonOverview: "Know this, my beloved brothers: let every person be quick to hear, slow to speak, slow to anger." (James 1:19)In this episode, Trillia Newbell and Isaac Adams talk with Michael Emerson, one of the authors of the seminal work, Divided by Faith. Published nearly 20 years ago, Divided by Faith examines evangelicals and the problem of race from a sociological perspective. What personal and professional experiences led Dr. Emerson to write Divided by Faith? Why did he seek to live in a community where he was in the racial minority and send his kids to school where they're in the racial minority? Dr. Emerson speaks to systemic and individual solutions to racial inequalities while providing both a warning and a word of hope to evangelicals today. Having done thousands of interviews about this topic, Dr. Emerson encourages us to remember that "one of the ways we can addresses our history of racial division and inequality is to come together in our churches: to worship, to share leadership, to give voices to one another. If we can do this in authentic, biblical ways, it will make a profound difference." What do those authentic, biblical ways look like? Join us in this episode. Links & Show Notes:To learn more about United? We Pray follow us on Twitter or our website. Please consider rating the podcast on Apple Podcasts, and subscribe using your favorite podcast client to hear more!Recorded and produced by Karl MagnusonGraphic design by Rob Alvey

Hosts: Isaac Adams & Trillia NewbellOverview: Colorblindness is the theory that if we ignore race, then racial problems will eventually cease. Is this term and theory helpful or unhelpful. Why or why not? How is it present in our culture, and how is it present in our churches? Join Isaac Adams and Trillia Newbell as they discuss colorblindness and why the idea keeps appearing in Christian conversations about race? In this conversation, Trillia and Isaac discuss how colorblindness has been embedded in popular culture and why it leads some folks to say things like, “I don’t see you as my black friend; I just see you as my friend.” A phrase like this might be said with the best of intentions to love that other person, but may ultimately reflect a zeal not according to knowledge. Being colorblind prevents us from being able to fully weep with those who weep and rejoice with those who rejoice. One of the glorious aspects of God is that he has made us to depict his beauty, and no one person or ethnicity can do that fully. Instead, we can celebrate and embrace our diversity as a part of God’s good idea and design. Praise God, and enjoy this episode! Links & Show Notes:1. Galatians 3:28 Does NOT Encourage Color-blind Christianity! by Jarvis Williams2. 4 Reasons You Shouldn’t be Colorblind by Trillia Newbell3. Don’t Be Colorblind at Church by Isaac Adams4. I Don’t See You as a Black Friend by Garrett Kell5. Disunity in Christ by Christena Cleveland. Cleveland has a section, “Should We All Be Colorblind?” starting on p. 186.To learn more about United? We Pray follow us on Twitter or our website. Please consider rating the podcast on Apple Podcasts, and subscribe using your favorite podcast client to hear more!Recorded and produced by Karl MagnusonGraphic design by Rob Alvey

Hosts: Isaac Adams & Trillia NewbellOverview: “Let love be genuine. Abhor what is evil; hold fast to what is good.” (Romans 13:9)In this episode, Trillia and Isaac talk and pray about the goal of racial reconciliation. Why is it helpful or unhelpful? What isn’t the goal of racial reconciliation? Join us in prayer. And as you do, consider what we suggest the goal of reconciliation is:NOT THIS: We begin this episode by focusing on the fact that the goal of reconciliation is not merely appeasing minorities or showing off apparent diversity like a college brochure would. As Dr. Jarvis Williams suggests, “Many Christians equate racial diversity with racial reconciliation, so they conclude that if diversity is present than reconciliation is as well.” There’s an important implication of this point: it means that reconciliation can hardly have a metric put on it. It’s messy, it’s relational, and people know when you’re faking it. Instead of a quick, one-time fix, reconciliation is al lifestyle, not an event as civil rights activist John Perkins said. BUT THAT: What do we mean, then, by reconciliation? We mean genuine love for the “other” — a 1 Corinthians 13 love that sparks Philippians 2 service. A love that transforms the conversation and the pursuit of one another. Links & Show Notes:1. Matt Hall’s United? We Pray Episode Season 1 episode referenced in the episode!2. One New Man Book by Dr. Jarvis Williams3. Divided by Faith Book by Michael Emmerson and Christian Smith, which contains a review To learn more about United? We Pray follow us on Twitter or our website. Please consider rating the podcast on Apple Podcasts, and subscribe using your favorite podcast client to hear more!Recorded and produced by Karl MagnusonGraphic design by Rob Alvey

Hosts: Isaac Adams & Trillia NewbellGuest: SharDavia WalkerOverview: “What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.” (Mark 10:9)In the opening to season two, Trillia Newbell and Isaac Adams talk and pray with SharDavia Walker about interracial marriages—the beauty of them and the difficulty of them in and outside the church. How do you humbly and honestly navigate conversations with family who don’t approve of interracial relationships? Does the Bible speak about interracial marriages? How does the message of the gospel apply to this conversation? Facing different forms of awkwardness, difficulty, and outright opposition—from humorous things to horrible things—Isaac, Trillia, and Shar reflect on God’s faithfulness to them as those who are in interracial marriages. Regarding difficulties, Shar spoke wonderfully to the need for compassion and humility, especially in a way that reminded us of Francis Grimké, the brother who inspired this podcast. In 1898, Francis said: “Let us meet in our places of worship, and there…devoutly pray to Almighty God: First, that if it is our fault that the hearts of our fellow countrymen are so cruelly turned against us, he will show us the evil, and give us the wisdom to remove it.”In other words, as we seek to be honest with others and call for repentance, let us also do the same in our own lives. May God grant us humility and honesty as we pursue unity and pray for it. Links & Show Notes:Note: Due to the sensitive nature of this conversation, please be aware that as stories are recounted at the 8 minute mark, the n-word is used. You can read more about the context surrounding that sad story here: https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/mizzou-and-a-more-excellent-way/1. Mark Dever’s Sermon Introduction In a sermon following the 2016 Presidential Election, Mark Dever shares a testimony about a friend of his who met opposition when pursuing a white sister.2. Our Interracial Marriage and the Gospel A video testimony of Trillia Newbell’s interracial marriage. To learn more about United? We Pray follow us on Twitter or our website. Please consider rating the podcast on Apple Podcasts, and subscribe using your favorite podcast client to hear more!Recorded and produced by Karl MagnusonGraphic design by Rob Alvey

“We do not know what to do, but our eyes are on you.” (2 Chronicles 20:12b)Taking racial struggles to the throne, United? We Pray is a podcast that calls for prayer about racial divisions in churches. With all that could be said about race and the church, why have a podcast on prayer? Here are four reasons: 1. The Bible commands prayer.2. Church History commends prayer. 3. Pastors know about prayer. 4. Christians agree on prayer. And so we pray. We’d love for you to join us for this second season as we approach the throne of grace—will you?Links & Show Notes:1. Francis Grimké Sermon Series The Negro His Rights and Wrongs, The Forces For Him and Against Him2. Trillia Newbell’s Call to Prayer Blog Post3. Isaac Adams’ Four Reasons for United? We PrayTo learn more about United? We Pray follow us on Twitter or our website. Please consider rating the podcast on Apple Podcasts, and subscribe using your favorite podcast client to hear more!Recorded and produced by Karl MagnusonGraphic design by Rob Alvey

Hosts: Isaac Adams & Trillia NewbellGuest: Jasmine HolmesOverview: “I will give thanks to the Lord with my whole heart; I will recount all of your wonderful deeds. I will be glad and exult in you; I will sing praise to your name, O Most High.” (Psalm 9:1-2)In the season finale, Trillia Newbell and Isaac Adams reflect on the first season of United? We Pray, and they speak with Jasmine Holmes about safe places. In the race conversation, at times, someone will say something unhelpful or downright racist, and if their statement is met with correction, they’ll respond by saying, “I thought you were a safe place.” Jasmine, Trillia, and Isaac reflect on the need to redefine the concept of a “safe place.” What does it look like to speak the truth and love, and hear the truth in love? How can Christians be honest with one another and yet extend heaps and heaps of grace to each other, as God has extended that grace to us in Christ? Trillia and Isaac continue to reflect on that grace as they look back on the episodes and start of Season 1 of United? We Pray. As we reflect on God’s goodness, we have to say thank you! Thank you to Karl Magnuson, producer of United? We Pray. Thank you to Dante Stewart, social media manager of United? We Pray. Thank you to Thern Newbell and Megan Adams, wonderful spouses to Trillia and Isaac. Thank you to all the listeners who joined us for Season 1 of United? We Pray, and most of all, thanks be to the Lord Jesus Christ—our savior, Lord, and peace. To him be the glory now and forever, amen. Links & Show Notes:A Call to Prayer During an Anxious Time This is the blog post that Trillia wrote to call for prayer in the midst of racial turmoil.To learn more about United? We Pray follow us on Twitter or our website. Please consider rating the podcast on Apple Podcasts, and subscribe using your favorite podcast client to hear more!Recorded and produced by Karl MagnusonGraphic design by Rob Alvey

Hosts: Isaac Adams & Trillia NewbellGuest: Matt HallOverview: “For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility...that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace…” Ephesians 2:14-15In our last episode with Karen Ellis, Trillia Newbell and Isaac Adam looked at underground churches in other countries to glean lessons about unity. In this episode, the hosts speak with Dr. Matt Hall, Dean of Boyce college, to look back at American Christianity and its history race. What is race? What does it mean in the Bible? How many races are there? How does racism in the past affect us today?Matt Hall looks at and defines race from a biological, theological, and sociological perspective as he explains where the modern idea of race came from. Matt suggests that we can’t talk about race in America if we don’t understand where it came from and what it is. Further, if we want to see true gospel reconciliation, a measure of historical truth-telling is required—a stance that is not always comfortable, popular, or simple. How does the complexity of race and the past factor into our conversations about race today? What are helpful and unhelpful ways the current generation thinks about identity? How do the Scriptures’ constant reference to remembering the past accurately tether to our identity as Christians? Join us for prayer and discussion as we look at the reality of race, its incredible power throughout history, and God’s faithfulness in the midst of history. Links & Show Notes:1. Removing the Stain of Racism from the Southern Baptist Convention edited by Jarvis J. Williams and Kevin M. Jones In this book, you’ll find a chapter by Dr. Jarvis Williams, whom Dr. Hall referred to. His chapter explains what race meant in biblical times and how the definition of it has changed. The definitions are fairly technical but helpful to those who want to dive in. In this book you’ll also find a helpful chapter on history and why it matters specifically for Southern Baptist churches as they live in a world in which race matters. 2. Dream with Me: Race, Love, and the Struggle We Must Win by John Perkins Dr. Hall referred to civil rights activist John Perkins—his legacy and hope. Dream with Me is Dr. Perkins' latest work and memoir in which he reflects upon the issues of race and its effects on his life. 3. The Invention of Racism in Classical Antiquity by Benjamin Isaac This book is a long, scholarly treatment of the idea of race and racism in the ancient world (or in Biblical times). However, the introduction alone is worth the price of the book. To learn more about United? We Pray follow us on Twitter or our website. Please consider rating the podcast on Apple Podcasts, and subscribe using your favorite podcast client to hear more!Recorded and produced by Karl MagnusonGraphic design by Rob Alvey

Hosts: Isaac Adams & Trillia NewbellGuest: Karen EllisOverview: “Jesus told them another parable: "The kingdom of heaven is like a mustard seed, which a man took and planted in his field…” (Matt. 13:31)Missiologist Karen Ellis joins Isaac Adams and Trillia Newbell to share insights about race and unity from her work with underground churches. Karen focuses on the faithfulness of brothers and sisters in churches around the world as they do work that is small and unannounced. That’s what the things of the kingdom typically are—small, quiet, unannounced. Nonetheless, Karen reminds us that, “Unity may not be loudest voice out the gate, but praise God, it’ll be the voice that lasts into eternity.” If you have ever felt like you’re not an expert on race and unity, if you have ever felt spiritually flabby in your prayer life, join us for this episode. In it, Karen reminds us of the freedom there is in faithfulness and in not having our voices dominate the scene and she speaks to other questions as well: Is race a only a challenge for American churches? How has the conversation about race changed for evangelical Christians over the years? Do you have to be an expert to speak about race, the church, and justice? The powerless have a word about power. If believers in a loud world can be quiet enough, we just might hear it. Links & Show Notes:Follow Karen Ellis on TwitterTo learn more about United? We Pray follow us on Twitter or our website. Please consider rating the podcast on Apple Podcasts, and subscribe using your favorite podcast client to hear more!Recorded and produced by Karl MagnusonGraphic design by Rob Alvey

Hosts: Isaac Adams & Trillia NewbellGuest: Jackie Hill PerryOverview: “He has shown you, O man, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God.” (Micah 6:8)In this episode, Jackie Hill Perry discusses the difference between boldness and foolishness in speaking about race and the church. Jackie, Trillia, and Isaac discuss the power of prayer to guard the believer against unforgiveness and bitterness as well as other concerns about how the church is treated within this conversation. What might weary saints do as they wait upon the Lord? When it comes to the race conversation, what are the pitfalls in how Christians use our language? How does one walk the line between their honesty being boldness or foolishness? Join us in prayer, as we look to God’s Word and remember that out of the overflow of the heart, the mouth speaks; that mercy and justice are to go hand-in-hand; and that there is coming a day where justice, peace, and kindness will reign because Jesus reigns.Links & Show Notes:1. “I Am Delivered” — Jackie mentioned that in this life God delivers us from sin, but we have not yet been finally delivered. In this article, she teases that idea and concept out more of what God has done and what he has yet to do.2. “The Art of Joy” — “The Art of Joy” is Jackie’s first hip-hop album that was mentioned in this episode; it focuses on how joy in Christ is what we were made for, and how that joy is better than anything else we might imagine.To learn more about United? We Pray follow us on Twitter or our website. Please consider rating the podcast on Apple Podcasts, and subscribe using your favorite podcast client to hear more!Recorded and produced by Karl MagnusonGraphic design by Rob Alvey 

Hosts: Isaac Adams & Trillia NewbellGuest: Matt ChandlerOverview: “As soon as I heard these words I sat down and wept and mourned for days, and I continued fasting and praying before the God of heaven.” (Nehemiah 1:4)Originally, Isaac and Trillia planned to talk and pray about white supremacy with Matt Chandler. However, given the recent tragedy in Texas at First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs, we thought it would be appropriate to pray for our brothers and sisters there. While some may question the response of prayer in these times, we do not. And because of our unity in Christ, when one part of the body suffers, we all suffer. Regardless of our ethnicity, we are one—we share the same Spirit and the same Savior. Though there’s a question mark in the minds of many regarding racial unity, our unity in Christ is not in question. And so we pray. Join us as we lament, pray, and discuss the pitfalls of social media in an age of evil, too often seen in mass shootings. Links & Show Notes:1. Deep Demons: Race & The Church (w/ Ray Ortlund) As referenced in this episode, here is the United? We Pray episode where Ray Ortlund explains our oneness in Christ. 2. Texas Shooting Kills 26 at Southern Baptist Church A short article describing the massacre that occurred at First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs. 3. The Enduring Effects of White Supremacy in American Culture Professor Jarvis Williams reflects on Dylann Roof slaying nine black brothers and sisters at Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal church.To learn more about United? We Pray follow us on Twitter or our website. Please consider rating the podcast on Apple Podcasts, and subscribe using your favorite podcast client to hear more!Recorded and produced by Karl MagnusonGraphic design by Rob Alvey

Hosts: Isaac Adams & Trillia NewbellOverview: “Three times I pleaded with the Lord about this, that it should leave me. But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly of my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may rest upon me. For the sake of Christ, then, I am content with weaknesses, insults, hardships, persecutions, and calamities. For when I am weak, then I am strong.” (2 Corinthians 12:8-10)In this third episode, Isaac Adams and Trillia Newbell discuss why being a bridge-builder is so difficult and how bridge builders, in Christ, can persevere in their ministries. The reality for anyone building a bridge is that bridges get stepped on, they get driven on from both sides, and they’re the first to freeze over when the bad weather hits. How might a bridge builder guard against cynicism and despair? Why should they pray for the very folks who are burning bridges? What might taking care of yourself as a bridge-builder look like?We don’t have all the wisdom to answer these questions, and so we pray. Often, bridge-building work can be discouraging work because of sin—both the sin of others and our own. What’s more, bridge-builders can be tempted to look for external fruit from their labors, when the reality is that we cannot calculate our own fruit. We labor, but God gives the growth. Yet the great hope of bridge builders is that when we are weak, we are strong in the Lord. His grace is sufficient. His mercies are new each morning. And so we pray with this hope, knowing that, as one theologian said, “God will change out his workmen but carry on his work.”If you know someone who is doing good bridge-building work, why not drop them a note of encouragement? We can never encourage one another too much. If there’s a brother or sister, whether publicly or locally, whose ministry you’ve appreciated, why not encourage them?To learn more about United? We Pray follow us on Twitter or our website. Please consider rating the podcast on Apple Podcasts, and subscribe using your favorite podcast client to hear more!Recorded and produced by Karl MagnusonGraphic design by Rob Alvey

Hosts: Isaac Adams & Trillia NewbellGuest: Ray OrtlundOverview: "Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God. And the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus." (Philippians 4:6-7)Join Trillia Newbell, Isaac Adams, and Ray Ortlund as they discuss racial strife and the church. While recording this episode, Ray made an apt analogy. He compared the evil of racism to the demon possessing the boy in Mark 9:14-29. Jesus said about that demon: "This kind cannot be driven out by anything but prayer." Reflecting on racism in the church, Ray said, "that demon is deep, baby; it's deep!" And so we pray.We pray, as Trillia mentioned, that we wouldn't be smiling racists. We confess our weakness. And we do so because, as Ray said, "If we’re really going to make a difference regarding ethnic strife and unity, prayer must be at the foundation of everything.”Links & Show Notes:1. Black Lives Matter and Racial Tension in America Here's an article breaking down the statistics of racial divisions in American churches in light of the racial strife from the last few years. 2. Divided by Faith A fuller-treatment that analyzes, from a sociological perspective, the differences in worldviews of different evangelicals and how that leads to racial divisions. 3. No Racial Reconciliation Without Intersectionality and Privilege Is "white privilege" a term devised simply to make white people feel guilty? This article looks at privilege, and the different kinds of privilege, and suggests how we might both reckon with the truth and use the benefits God has given us for the service of others. It re-frames the understanding of privilege in a biblical perspective and speaks to the need for a more dynamic conversation about the complexities of race if racial reconciliation will occur. To learn more about United? We Pray follow us on Twitter or our website. Please consider rating the podcast on Apple Podcasts, and subscribe using your favorite podcast client to hear more!Recorded and produced by Karl MagnusonGraphic design by Rob Alvey

Hosts: Isaac Adams & Trillia NewbellOverview: “Rejoice always, pray without ceasing, give thanks in all circumstances; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you.” (1 Thessalonians 5:16-18)In this first episode, Isaac Adams and Trillia Newbell discuss the purpose of United? We Pray and share their hopes for the podcast. The Bible makes clear that God’s people are a praying people, and United? We Pray seeks to encourage more prayer about racial struggles. We hope to pray proactively, and we hope to praise God, confess to God, thank God, and ask of God. What’s more, we hope that brothers and sisters listening in on these prayer join in prayer because, as Trillia says, “what a chorus that would be!” The issue of race, unity, and the church may daunt you; it may have you altogether weary. Wherever you may be, join us as we come to the throne of grace in Jesus’ name. We pray that we would see these issues not as something entirely negative, something like a prison, but as something that can glorify God, a prism that reflects his beauty. Links & Show Notes:1. Francis Grimké Sermon Series — The Negro His Rights and Wrongs, The Forces For Him and Against Him2. Trillia Newbell’s Call to Prayer Blog Post3. Trillia’s children’s book: God’s Very Good IdeaTo learn more about United? We Pray follow us on Twitter or our website. Please consider rating the podcast on Apple Podcasts, and subscribe using your favorite podcast client to hear more!Recorded and produced by Karl MagnusonGraphic design by Rob Alvey 

One thing is clear: when it comes to unity in the church across racial lines, we need divine help. Prayer is how we ask for that help (James 1:5). Christians don't agree on how to address racial divisions, but Christians do agree that we ought to rely upon God in prayer. We must do more than pray if we are to maintain the unity of the Spirit in the bonds of peace, but we cannot do less. Will you pray with us?To learn more about United? We Pray follow us on Twitter or our website. Please consider rating the podcast on Apple Podcasts, and subscribe using your favorite podcast client to hear more!Recorded and produced by Karl MagnusonGraphic design by Rob Alvey