Podcasts about racial reconciliation

In this video with host Dr. Eric Bryant, pastor of Transformation Church Dr. Derwin Gray discusses the transformative power of faith and the role of the church in bringing justice, beauty, and the message of Jesus to our world. Dr. Gray emphasizes the concept of what is spiritual formation and how it shapes individuals into the image of Christ. Dr. Gray highlights the need for believers to embody the Kingdom of God on earth, rather than focusing solely on the afterlife.Dr. Gray explains that understanding what is spiritual formation involves recognizing Jesus' role in transforming lives. This transformation is not just about personal growth but also about engaging in emotional healing and addressing societal issues. The church's mission includes promoting the importance of community service as a reflection of God's love.The discussion also touches on what is the gospel message, emphasizing that it is more than a promise of heaven. It is about living out the teachings of Jesus and bringing heaven to earth through acts of service and justice. Dr. Gray illustrates this by sharing examples from his church's initiatives, such as providing meals and supporting local schools.✳️ Resources mentioned:

We read Acts 2 and think: I want that. Three thousand people saved in a day. A community so marked by love they sold what they had so no one would go without. But in this episode of Blueprint for Revival, Mike Plunket asks the question we usually skip past: how did it happen?Mike traces a pattern that shows up throughout church history — crisis, desperate seeking after God, and only then, visitation. Applied to a crisis like racial injustice, he argues the church can't program, manage, or apologize its way to the "no longer Jew or Greek, slave or free" unity Scripture describes. The only well the Spirit fills is one kept clean of "rubbish" — the quiet, unconscious belief that we produce our own salvation through effort, record, or respectability.Using the transformation of Saul into Paul, Mike shows how the gospel of "Jesus plus nothing" doesn't just change what someone believes — it dismantles both self-righteous contempt and fear at their shared root, because both are fed by the same lie: that we have to earn our worth.Blueprint for Revival is a weekly teaching series from Metro District, Christian and Missionary Alliance.Metro District Podcast is the voice of the Metro District, Christian and Missionary Alliance — resourcing and connecting churches across NY, NJ, and PA.This episode is part of Blueprint for Revival, a weekly teaching series with Mike Plunket.

In this episode, Derwin Gray and I talk about what it actually takes to heal. He noticed years ago that people were making their wounds into their identity, and It's Time to Heal is his answer - be honest, expect it to be hard, accept what happened without letting it define you, live from love instead of for it. We get into salvation as healing rather than a one-time event, why the fleshly desires still call after we become believers, and what forgiveness cost him in his own story. We also talk about why healing that stays personal has stopped short of the gospel.Dr. Derwin L. Gray is the co-founding and Lead Pastor of Transformation Church, just outside of Charlotte, NC. Dr. Derwin L. Gray was named the recipient of the John M. Perkins Justice Award. The award is given to a visionary leader whose life and work exemplify the principles of biblical justice. He is also an award-winning author who has published several books, including “How to Heal Our Racial Divide: What the Bible Says, and What the First Century Christians Knew about Racial Reconciliation" and NEW RELEASE "Lit Up With Love: Becoming Good-News People To A Gospel-Starved World". You can follow him at @derwinlgray on Instagram, Twitter, and Facebook, as well as www.derwinlgray.com.Derwin's Book:It's Time to HealConnect with Joshua: jjohnson@shiftingculturepodcast.comGo to www.shiftingculturepodcast.com to interact and donate. Every donation helps to produce more podcasts for you to enjoy.Follow on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, Threads, Bluesky or YouTubeSupport the podcast and the ministry that my wife and I do around the world. Just click on the support the show link below Support the show

Two friends confront retirement myths, entrepreneurial grit, and America's racial wounds—while examining real slave artifacts that spark raw honesty. Bill and Odell blend business wisdom, faith, and hard history to model how listening across divides builds true common ground. To learn more, please visit our website The Common Ground This podcast is produced by BG Podcast Network. Bill Goebell Social: Bill's Website Rev. Odell Cleveland Social: Odell's Website Odell's Instagram Odell’s Facebook Books available on Amazon Odell's Patreon Odell's X Chapters00:00 Introduction, Prayer, and Retirement Banter 04:47 Entrepreneurial Life: "We Only Eat What We Kill" 09:35 Business Development, Networking, and Rejiggering 12:01 Odell's Three-Legged Stool Consulting Model 16:48 Negotiation, Value, and Client Relationships 23:57 Slave Tags and the Hidden History of Enslaved Skills 31:06 Uncle Nearest, Jack Daniels, and Intellectual Property 35:53 Childhood Racism, Integration Struggles, and Finding Common Ground 40:33 Thomas Jefferson, Hypocrisy, and America's Original Sin 48:35 Slave Chains, Ghana Castles, and the Transatlantic Trade 53:24 Closing Reflections and PrayerSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Many of us want work to heal the racial divides in our nation and just need some objective ways to begin. Chris Brooks talks with Pastor Derwin Gray, who will provide a deep dive into biblical racial reconciliation that is void of critical race theory but is realistic and relational. Don't miss this crucial conversation, coming up on Equipped with Chris Brooks.  Featured resource:How to Heal Our Racial Divide by Derwin Gray May thank you gift:Raising Daughters: A Christian Mom's Guide for the Lifelong Journey by September McCarthy Equipped with Chris Brooks is made possible through your support. To donate now, click here. To become 1 in 100 who supports at $1,000 (annually or $83/month), click here.

In Ephesians 2:11–22, the apostle Paul reveals one of the most radical truths of the gospel: Jesus didn’t merely reconcile individuals to God — He demolished the wall of hostility between people and formed one new family. Jew and Gentile. Far and near. Outsiders and insiders. Now one. In this message, “The Third Race,” we explore how the cross brings peace, identity, belonging, and purpose — and why the church is meant to be the world’s greatest example of unity across every barrier

In this episode of the ERLC Podcast, Interim President Dr. Gary Hollingsworth sits down with Dr. Fred Luter, senior pastor of Franklin Avenue Baptist Church and former president of the Southern Baptist Convention, to discuss racial reconciliation in the life of the church. Together, they reflect on the power of the gospel to break down dividing walls, share encouraging stories of progress within the SBC, and offer practical guidance for pastors seeking to lead their congregations toward greater unity. As Southern Baptists observe Racial Reconciliation Sunday, this conversation reminds us that a free and faithful church should reflect the diverse, redeemed multitude we will one day worship alongside in heaven.Listen to more episodes of The ERLC Podcast at erlc.com/podcast.

Jason Green was serving in the Obama White House when a phone call from his mother sent him home to sit with his grandmother in the hospital — and into a story he never knew was his. In this conversation, we talk about the hidden history of Quince Orchard, a Black community founded after emancipation, and three segregated churches that chose to merge in 1968 after Dr. King's assassination. We explore remembrance before reconciliation, the communal strength of the Black church, breaking cycles of harm, and what it actually costs to build resilient, integrated community in a divided time. If you're asking where we go from here — chaos or community — this episode is for you.Jason G. Green is a Maryland-born community organizer, attorney, entrepreneur, and storyteller whose work sits at the intersection of economic opportunity, community trust-building, and democratic renewal. He is the author of the forthcoming book Too Precious to Lose (One World | Penguin Random House, 2026), an intimate narrative that blends a personal, community history with a broader call to repair the connections that bind us together.Green served as Special Assistant to the President and Associate White House Counsel to President Obama, advising on domestic and economic policy during the recovery from the Great Recession. He later co-founded SkillSmart, a pioneering workforce and economic-impact software company that has helped quantify more than $100 billion in economic development activity and supported a talent pipeline of more than 50,000 skilled workers across the United States.He is the President and CEO of EverGreen Labs, a strategy studio that helps organizations deepen stakeholder alignment, improve market positioning, and drive measurable business outcomes. Green previously served as Executive-in-Residence at Zeal Capital Partners, supporting early-stage companies focused on the future of work, financial technology, and health equity.A civic leader deeply committed to history, memory, and reconciliation, Green is a trustee of the Pleasant View Historic Association and a founding commissioner and former chair of the Montgomery County Commission on Remembrance and Reconciliation. His award-winning PBS documentary, Finding Fellowship, explores the intertwined Black and white history of Quince Orchard and the community-led fight to preserve its legacyGreen has served several corporate and nonprofit boards, including Daivergent, Flare, Clear Impact, Per Scholas, the Arena, the Washington University Alumni Board of Governors and Regional Cabinet, and the Yale Law School Executive Committee and is a non-resident fellow at the Urban Institute. He holds a J.D. from Yale Law School and a B.A. from Washington University in St. Louis.His work—spanning technology, public service, storytelling, and community leadership—is rooted in a belief that our shared future depends on our capacity to connect and build together. Green currently lives in Dallas, Texas, with his wife Ritu and their son Aidan.Jason's Book:Too Precious to LoseJason's Recommendation:Great ExpectationsConnect with Joshua: jjohnson@shiftingculturepodcast.comGo to www.shiftingculturepodcast.com to interact and donate. Every donation helps to produce more podcasts for you to enjoy.Follow on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, ThreaGet Your Sidekick Support the show

What if the deepest divisions in your life could be completely erased? Ephesians 2 reveals a stunning truth: through Christ, old barriers are abolished and you become part of one new family. Your identity is no longer defined by cultural labels but by belonging to Christ alone. Listen now and be inspired to live as a countercultural witness to God's reconciling love.

In this classic episode, Darrell Bock, Eric Mason, Elizabeth Woodson, and Bryan Carter discuss the church's role in biblical racial reconciliation. Time codes 00:15 Mason's ministry of reconciliation in Philadelphia 05:08 Woodson's ministry of reconciliation in Dallas 06:39 Carter's ministry of reconciliation in Dallas 08:56 Carter's message: Recognize distinctives that shape faith for African Americans 12:37 Woodson's message: Understand theology affects sociology in the Black church 14:18Mason's message: The Black church represents dignity for African Americans1 8:45 How can we move from conversations about reconciliation to action? 23:40 Racial reconciliation is a key part of the church's mission 26:47 Hope and the current racial environment in America 32:05 The role of partnerships and the church community Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. famously observed that “11 o'clock on Sunday morning is the most segregated hour in America.” In this episode of Apostolic Life in the 21st Century, Dr. David K. Bernard reflects on that statement and its ongoing relevance for today's church.Dr. Bernard also discusses the importance of multicultural ministry and shares practical, biblical insights on how churches can create a welcoming environment for people of every race, ethnicity, and culture. Drawing from his experience as a pastor and church planter in Austin, Texas, as well as his years of leadership within the United Pentecostal Church International, he offers guidance for both church leaders and individual believers who desire to reflect the unity of the body of Christ.Resources mentioned in this episode include:UPCI Statements Archive2023 Senior Pastor Survey ResultsAnchor Points by Dr. David K. BernardVisit PentecostalPublishing.com to shop Dr. Bernard's full catalog of published works. Enter promo code DKB10 at checkout to save 10 percent on your order.If you enjoy this podcast, leave a five-star rating and a review on iTunes or your preferred podcast platform. We also appreciate it when you share Apostolic Life in the 21st Century with family and friends.

Send us a textWelcome to The Beached White Male podcast—and to a milestone moment. As the show approaches 500 episodes and more than 75,000 downloads, this episode looks back at how it all began - why the continued commitment to the name (Beached White Male) - and anticipates what lies ahead. What started as a book project—and some unexpected advice to “start a podcast instead”—grew out of conversations around racial reconciliation and a first improvised interview recorded in a hotel room. Now in its seventh year, firmly planted in retirement, Ken revels in the freedom of open conversations with powerful guests - courageous authors and influencers who share Ken's passion.The coming season promises deeper dives into the social and moral questions shaping public life at the intersection of Christianity and American power. Expect thoughtful guests, honest laughter, and questions that challenge assumptions without trying to win arguments. This is a space for curiosity, humility, and better conversations.Welcome to Season 7.Support the showBecome a Patron - Click on the link to learn how you can become a Patron of the show. Thank you! Ken's Substack Page The Podcast Official Site: TheBeachedWhiteMale.com

With racism and xenophobia on the rise and a world that seems more fractured than ever, we learn from Ezekiel 22:29-30 what it means to stand in the gap the oppressed poor and needy and ill-treated foreigner; and from 2 Corinthians 5:16-20 our personal responsibility to be ministers of reconciliation.

Elisa Morgan knows what it's like to mother through every season—from raising young kids to walking alongside adult children through different challenges. She spent years investing in mothers as the first president of MOPS International (now MomCo), but in this season of life she's discovering something sacred about aging: The purpose isn't to do more—it's to grow more like Christ. We talk about leaning into our limitations, praying for our kids, and asking what God is calling us to give birth to in each new season.   Elisa's Podcast, God Hears Her  The MomCo   Be the Bridge: Pursuing God's Heart for Racial Reconciliation by Latasha Morrison  Jobs to be Done: Theory to Practice by Anthony W. Ulwick  Truth Rising   ___________ The Strong Women Podcast is a product of the Colson Center which equips Christians to live out their faith with clarity, confidence, and courage in this cultural moment. Through commentaries, podcasts, videos, and more, we help Christians better understand what's happening in the world, and champion what is true and good wherever God has called them.  Learn more about the Colson Center here: https://www.colsoncenter.org/   Visit our website and sign up for our email list so that you can stay up to date on what we are doing here and also receive our monthly journal: https://www.colsoncenter.org/strong-women    Join Strong Women on Social Media:   https://www.facebook.com/StrongWomenCC  https://www.facebook.com/groups/strongwomencommunitycc/  https://www.instagram.com/strongwomencc/  https://linktr.ee/strongwomencc 

Send us a textMy guest this week is Inés Velásquez-McBryde—pastor, preacher, reconciler, and *mujerista* theologian. She grew up in Nicaragua, came to the U.S. nearly three decades ago, and brings with her a deep love for story, justice, and community. She is deeply involved in the resistance to the invasion of Los Angeles by ICE agents, determined to deport masses of brown people, no matter their legal status.Inés and I serve together on the board of the Center for Restorative Justice. I've witnessed her passion for lifting women's voices, planting a multiethnic church, and calling the Church to racial reconciliation and full inclusion. In this episode, she shares her story—from her early dreams of America to her calling in ministry, to her fearless advocacy for immigrants, women, and justice.  We talk about LA and ICE, the 2024 election, and what it means to follow Jesus in a world where power too often silences compassion. Inés is a voice of courage and grace in a time when we need both.SHOW NOTES - Learn more about Inés Velásquez-McBrydeSupport the showBecome a Patron - Click on the link to learn how you can become a Patron of the show. Thank you! Ken's Substack Page The Podcast Official Site: TheBeachedWhiteMale.com

Bio: Jenny - Co-Host Podcast (er):I am Jenny! (She/Her) MACP, LMHCI am a Licensed Mental Health Counselor, Somatic Experiencing® Practitioner, Certified Yoga Teacher, and an Approved Supervisor in the state of Washington.I have spent over a decade researching the ways in which the body can heal from trauma through movement and connection. I have come to see that our bodies know what they need. By approaching our body with curiosity we can begin to listen to the innate wisdom our body has to teach us. And that is where the magic happens!I was raised within fundamentalist Christianity. I have been, and am still on my own journey of healing from religious trauma and religious sexual shame (as well as consistently engaging my entanglement with white saviorism). I am a white, straight, able-bodied, cis woman. I recognize the power and privilege this affords me socially, and I am committed to understanding my bias' and privilege in the work that I do. I am LGBTQIA+ affirming and actively engage critical race theory and consultation to see a better way forward that honors all bodies of various sizes, races, ability, religion, gender, and sexuality.I am immensely grateful for the teachers, healers, therapists, and friends (and of course my husband and dog!) for the healing I have been offered. I strive to pay it forward with my clients and students. Few things make me happier than seeing people live freely in their bodies from the inside out!Danielle (00:28):Welcome to the Arise Podcast, conversations based in what our reality is, faith, race, justice, gender in the church, therapy, all matter of things considered just exploring this topic of reality. Hey, I'm having this regular podcast co-host. Her name is Jenny McGrath. She's an M-A-C-P-L-M-H-C. She's dope. She's a licensed mental health counselor, a somatic experiencing practitioner, certified yoga teacher, and an approved supervisor in the state of Washington. She spent over a decade researching the ways in which the body can heal from trauma through movement and connection. And she's come to see that bodies are so important and she believes that by approaching the body with curiosity, we can begin to listen to the innate wisdom our body has to teach us. And that is where the magic happens. So I hope you're as thrilled as me to have such an amazing co-host join me. Yeah, we're going to talk about reality and therapy. We're just jumping in. Jenny and I are both writing books.Jenny, I think it's funny that we are good friends and we see each other when we're around each other, but then if not, we're always trading reels and often they're like parodies on real life. Funny things about real life that are happening, which I've been, the theme of my book is called Splitting, and I know you write about purity culture, and a part of that I think really has to do with what is our reality and how is it formed? And then that shapes what we do, how we act, how we behave in the world, how we relate to each other. So any thoughts on that? On Thursday, September 25th,Jenny (02:17):I mean, as you named that, I think 10 minutes before this started, I sent you a reel. There was a comedian singing Why She Doesn't Go to Therapy, and it says, all my friends that go to therapy are mean to me, and you don't have boundaries. You're just being an asshole. And it was good, but it was also existential. This was what seems to me a white woman. And I do think as a white woman who's a therapist, I feel existential a lot about the work I do in therapy and in healing spaces, and how we do this in a way that doesn't promote this hyper individualistic reality. And this idea that everything I see and everything I think is the way that it is, how do I stay open to more of a communal or collective way of knowing? And I think that that's a challenging thing. So that's something that comes to mind for me as you bring up Instagram reels.Danielle (03:26):Oh man, I have so many thoughts on that that I wasn't thinking before you said it, but I think they were all locked in a vault, been unleashed. No, seriously. You come from your own position in the world. Talk about your position and how did you come to that point of seeing more of a collective mindset or reality point of view?Jenny (03:47):I mean, honestly, I think a big part has been knowing you and working with you and knowing that I think we've had conversations over the years of both the privilege and the detriment that happens in a lot of white therapeutic spaces that say you just need detach from your family, from your community, from those who have harmed you. And I want to be very, very clear and very careful that obviously I do think that there are situations we need to extract ourselves from and remove ourselves from. And I think that can become disabling for bodies to, I've been having this thing play in my head lately where I'm like, are you healed? Or have you just cut off everyone that triggers you?Yeah, and I saw another, speaking of meme, it was like, I treat my trauma like Trump treats tariffs. I just implement boundaries arbitrarily, and they harm everyone.And so I think it's, there is a certain privilege that comes with being able to say, I'm just going to step away. I'm going to do my own thing. I'm going to do my healing journey. And I think there is a detriment to that and there's a loss. And I think we have co-evolved to be in community and to tell stories and to share reality and to hold reality in the tension of our space. I think about it as we each have a different lens. There's no objective reality, but if I can be open to your lens and you can be open to my lens, then we actually have two lenses, and then if we have five lenses or 10 lenses, we can have a much fuller picture of where we are rather than seeing the world through the really monochromatic white, patriarchal, Christian nationalist lens that we've been maybe conditioned, or at least I was conditioned to see the world through.Danielle (06:10):Yeah. Whoa. Yeah, I know we've talked about this so many times, and I think it just feels so present right now, especially as every moment it feels like every day. If you watch the news, if you don't take a break, I think you can be jarred at any moment or dissociated at any moment, or traumatized at any moment, or maybe feel a bit of joy too when someone says a smack down on your side of the issue. And I think that when we get in that mode of constantly being jarred and then we try to come into a healing space, it's like how do we determine then what is actually healing for us? What is actually good? What is actually wise? And I agree, I think if we're in a rhythm of being on our own, and I'm not criticizing, I mean, I get lonely and I'm part of a group, so I'm not speaking to loneliness particularly, but I'm speaking to the idea that no one else has input in your life, even the kind of input you may not agree with, but no one else is allowed to speak to you.(07:15):When I get in those spaces, it's not that I just feel lonely, I don't feel any hope. I don't feel any movement or any possibility because let's say that this ends tomorrow, that authoritarian regime magically ends. It's healed tomorrow. We're going to have to look at all of our people in our lives and face them and decide what we're going to do. I mean, that's what I think about a lot. At the end of the day, I might sit next to someone that hates me or that I perhaps might have rage and anger towards them. What are we going to do? So I don't know, when you talk about the different lenses, I'm not sure how that all mixes together. I don't have an answer, basically. Shoot.Jenny (08:05):But I also think that that's part of maybe how we hold reality is maybe it is more about presence and being with what is, rather than having an answer, I think I become more and more skeptical of anyone who says they have an answer for anything.Danielle (08:31):So I mean, there was this guy that recently passed away, and there was, on one hand I wanted to really talk about it, and on the other hand, I didn't want to talk about it because it took up so much space. And I feel that even as we start to talk about how do we form healing spaces in therapy with that, I think, what did you call it that, what kind of lens did you say? It was like a monochromatic lens. How do we talk about that without centering it?Jenny (09:08):I think one thing that comes to mind is holding it in context of all of the other deaths that have not taken up that space. And the social studies phrase, what are the conditions of possibility that have enabled this death to create church services happening that have taken over people's social media, people who have been silent about lots of different deaths in the last year or five years, all of a sudden can't help but become really vigilant about talking about this. I think for me, it helps to zoom back and go, how come? Why is this so prevalent? Why is this so loud? What is this illuminating or what is this unearthing about? What's already been here?So I grew up in very fundamentalist, white evangelical Christianity. And from the time I was eight, nine years old, I had in me messages instilled of martyrdom, whether that was a message that I should be a martyr, or whether that was a message that Christians were already being martyred, whether that was the war against Christmas with Starbucks cups or not having prayers happen at school. And these things where I grew up in this world where we were supposed to be prominent, we were supposed to be prevalent, we were supposed to be protected. And whenever there was any challenge to that from bodies that weren't white or straight or Christian or American, there became this very real frenzy around martyrdom. And I think on an interpersonal level and on a collective level, someone who plays the victim will always hold the most power in the relational dynamic. And so I think that this moment was a very useful moment to that psyche and that reality of seeing the world as a victim, as a martyr, as being persecuted, regardless of the fact that evangelical Christians are the strongest floating block in our nation. They have incredible privilege when it comes to a lot of education, marriage inequality, things like that, that are from the long lineage of Christian nationalism in our country.Danielle (12:15):So then how do you work with folks that are coming in with that lens, and what's the responsibility of our field? I know you and I can't answer that question necessarily, but we can just say from our own experience what that's like. Are you willing to share a little bit of that?What would I say? My client load is mixed and so do a lot of work, but just because it's mixed doesn't mean that I'm not currently undoing that process in myself as well. So I think just as much as therapy is about whoever comes into my office or shows up in the zoom room or even a group or a teaching we've been a part of, I think it's, well, I mean we say this co-created, but I actually mean it means I have to keep learning. I have to keep trying to be in my body. And what I mean by that is I was talking to my friend Phil yesterday, and he was like, Danielle, are you tracking your body sensations? And he's like, I just challenge you to do that today. And I was like, man, that that's a good reminder. So I think one way I try to come with clients is from the perspective of I don't know it all.(13:38):I only know what I'm feeling and sensing in this moment, and I have that to offer along with other things I've studied, of course. But just because the person sitting with me doesn't have a degree or the group and the people, doesn't mean they don't know just as much as me. It's just another form of maybe learning or knowing or presence and healing. And then we're figuring that out together. I see that as one way of undoing, undoing this. I know everything point of view, which I kind of felt like I had to have when I came out of grad school. Yeah,Jenny (14:14):Yeah, totally. Yeah, I feel similar and I think often think in quotes. And so one of my favorite quotes is by Simone Devo, and she says, without a doubt, it is always more comfortable to endure blind bondage than to work for one's liberation. And so I am consistently asking, where is my blind bondage? Who are the people in my life that will show me where my blind bondage is? Who are the people that will hold me accountable to my own liberation? And for me as a therapist, I work primarily with white folks who grew up in fundamental Christianity. And over 10 years of doing that work, I think that a primary part of my work is radical agency(15:13):Because I think that particularly white bodies maintain privilege by abdicating our agency and by being compliant with the systems that give us power and give us privilege. And so I think for me, my ethic is how do I help clients come into contact with their radical agency? And so a big part of that that I think is important is consent. And so if someone is coming to work with me, it's part of my disclosure form, it's part of my intake to say, I don't think our mental health concerns or our somatic concerns exist in a bubble. They are deeply impacted by the systems we move through. And so while we'll be engaging your individual body, we're also going to be engaging the collective structures. And I've had people say, no, I don't want to do that work. And I say, great, there are other lovely therapists that will work with you and be a better fit. That's just not the type of therapy I do. That's not within my scope of practice to only focus on the individual, because for me, that's unethical.Danielle (16:23):Oh, that's cool. I like that, Jenny. I think that a lot. I was consulting recently, and we're just talking about this current moment, and I'll just say from my point of view that even in my family, I noticed when something had gone on locally, we have some organizing that we do and we had some warnings go out. And I noticed even in my own family, the heightened anxiety, the alert, and one of the things we had to do was we took turns driving around just making sure everybody's safe and everybody was safe. And I came down and at the point where people began to lower anxiety, and we're talking about just regular business owners, regular people out there, we're not even talking about immigrants, quote migrants. We're just talking about people out there that don't want to encounter force. You could feel the anxiety just lower now that we went the parking lot's clear, no one's here, we're safe. This isn't happening, not today. I'm not saying it won't happen here in our area of the country, but it's not happening today. And I realized in consultation later about clients and stuff that things are going to, but the clinician I was consulting with just said to me, she said to me, just for your family, she's like, that anxiety is warranted. That's real. You're supposed to feel anxious. There's no way you can take that away for those people and you shouldn't.(18:02):And so just kind of learning, reminding myself, when you go to grad school, when you study therapy and psychology, there's pathological, there's diagnoses, all these things, but then there's some things like we just can't take away. They're part of the experience. They need to be there. They're part of the warning. And there's a reason why when you get out and do something practical for a community, the anxiety lowers. And I think that just gave me a lot of insight, not just for my client, but for my family and for myself. And there's some calm, not because I'm anxious, but because, oh, I'm not crazy. I'm not just making this up. And so I do think that speaks to how the system is creating trauma and it is powerless. What can we do against the big bad authorities? And we can do things, we can connect, we can be with people, but at some level, that baseline of anxiety is going to be there because it's warranted. That's how I think of it.What do we do? Well, we sat at home, we watched sports. We went to Best Buy, and this is not every, we had some privilege. We bought an extra controller to play Mario World or whatever it was. I don't remember, but I was like, I'm not playing on that little controller. They wanted me to hold. I was like, I need a real controller. I'm old. I need to be able to feel it in my hands. Just silly stuff. Just didn't put pressure on the kids to do homework. Not a pressure to clean the house, just to just exist. Just be, yeah. What about you? What do you do when you encounter either anxiety from trauma like that or the systemic pressure maybe to even conform to whiteness or privilege in that moment?Jenny (20:12):I typically need to move my body in some way, whether that's to take my dog on a very long walk or whether that's just to roll around on a dance floor or maybe do a yoga practice. I become aware of how my body is holding that, and I think about how emotions are just energy in motion. And so if we don't give them motion and expression, it becomes like a battery pack in our nervous system. And so I can feel that if I haven't been able to move and to express whatever my body needs to express, and often I don't even know cognitively what my body needs to express, but I've grown in trust that my body knows, and I say, I think the sillier we look the better it usually feels. I just saw this lovely post the other day, a movement person did where they, we talk a lot about brainwashing, but we don't talk a lot about body washing, and we are so conditioned to only move our body in certain ways. And because our body is not different than our brain, I think that the more free we feel in our actual physical body to our own ability, the more that can actually create a little bit more mobility in how we see reality and how we engage with it.Danielle (21:44):So take that back to the beginning where you started talking about how when you have clients come in, you're like, yo, we're going to address this systemically and collectively. What do you do with folks when they have that kind of energy and you guys are working through it and it's like, oh, it's like maybe that's collective energy. What do you do? Yeah,Jenny (22:02):Yeah. I ask my clients probably annoying amount of times each session, what do you notice right now? And then I follow their body. So if their body says like, oh, I feel a lot of tension in my gut instead of alleviating that, I go, okay, great. Can you actually exaggerate that tension a little bit and see what happens? See if that tension wants to come out in a snarl or a growl, or maybe you want to curl up in a ball and I just follow whatever the impulses of their body are. Or if they say like, oh, I feel a lot in my shoulders. I'm like, great. Do you want to go push against a wall or push against the floor or punch a pillow and let your body actually get some movement into those spaces that you're sensing?Well, as I said, I'm very skeptical about individual work, even though I do it, I don't think is all that. I think it is both necessary and not that helpful for the collective(23:21):Because it is individual. And so I actually do think we need collective spaces of moving and expressing and being in our bodies. I think our ancestors knew this for before Christian supremacy and then white supremacy and then capitalistic supremacy eradicated how we've evolved to move in our and collectively. That being said, I do think that the more we become aware of how our body is constrained and how we've been socialized, especially I think for anybody, but for me, I'll speak to white bodies, we aren't always conscious. We take for granted whiteness and how it affects our bodies. So the first time I'm asking a white person, especially maybe a white woman to look pissed, that's going to be probably really scary because socially we are not actually allowed to be pissed. We're allowed to be dams, souls, and we're allowed to freak out, but we're not actually allowed to be strong and be powerful and be angry. And so I do believe that in that work of individual liberation and freedom, it actually helps us resist those roles and those performances of white womanhood that then perpetuate collective harm.Danielle (24:49):I can see how that shift would really impact the way one person both connects with their neighbor or a different person, even same race or same culture, and would impact not only how they relate and connect to that person, but also just how they might love.Jenny (25:10):Yeah, because I think it is dangerous. It is disproportionately dangerous to oppressed bodies when white women aren't holding our own anger because I think that there is a deferral to the police, to governing bodies to different authorities when a white woman is actually pissed, rather than saying like, Hey, you did this and it pissed me off, let's work it out here. Oftentimes that ends up actually getting policed to authorities that then disproportionately harm oppressed bodies. And so I think it is essential for white women to grow our capacity to bear. No, I actually am pissed and I can acknowledge that and engage that and be with it in myself.I do. I do actually. So I have been working on a book for the last six years in which I'm looking at the socialization of young white women in purity culture and this political moment of Invisible children, which was this documentary style film that manipulated an entire generation of young white women to get involved in missions or development. And so as part of my research, I interviewed many white women who grew up in purity culture and became missionaries. And there were some that maybe still had good relations with organizations such as invisible children and felt threatened or maybe pissed that I was inquiring into this. And so instead of engaging and talking about the emotions that were coming up, they went straight to interrogating my IRB and then went straight to is this research ethical? Even though I could tell they were really just angry and upset about what I was interrogating, and I would've much rather we could have that conversation than this quick sense of I'm going to go to the structures while I can maintain feeling like this demure pleasantness of white womanhood, even though I could feel the energy. And that's an example for me, and I have white privilege, and so there was still threat there, but it was not probably to the same degree that it could be if I didn't hold that same power and privilege that I do.Scared. I felt really scared and I had done everything ethically. I had hired my own IRB to oversee my research. I did their protocol and still I felt the wielding of power and the sense of I can move the system to act against you if I don't like what you're doing. And so it was really, really scary. And then I had to move my anxiety and my body and I had to shake because what I do often when I get scared and I had to let my body discharge that adrenaline and that cortisol, and then I was able to back to myself and respond and say, it sounds like you have some concerns, and being interviewed is totally optional so you don't have to do it. And then I never heard back from 'em, and so it was just helpful for me to get to move that through. Even in part of that process,Danielle (29:27):Jenny, is that energy still in you now or is it gong?Jenny (29:30):Oh yeah, totally. I can feel my body vibrating and even there's that fear of like, oh shit, what's going to happen if I talk about this? I can feel the silencingThe demand to be small and not to expose it because then I'm open to fill in the blank. And so I can feel the sense of how power wants to keep us from speaking truth to power and to those that wield it.Danielle (30:02):Man, I want to swear so bad, motherfucker. I'm not surprised. But I do think I continue to allow myself to be shocked. And I think the thing is, I know this can happen. I know it will happen. I think both you and I are writing on topics that are very interrogate this moment in a very particular way that's threatening. And so although I'm not surprised, I am allowing myself to continually be shocked, not I want to re-traumatize myself, but I don't want to lose the feeling of there might be somebody good out there, this might be well received. And also I want to maintain that feeling of like, man, I really love my friend. I believe in her. And I think allowing myself to kind of hold all those things kind of just allows me to wake up for the moment versus just numbing out to it. Man,So vicious. It's so vicious because you aren't taking their money, you aren't literally hurting them physically. You're not taking their power, and yet there's this full force. You've dedicated your life to this thing and they could take you out.Jenny (31:19):Yeah, and I think it's primarily because I am questioning white women's innocence and I think based on how race and gender work, a white woman's privilege and power comes from this presumed purity and innocence. And so if we start to disrupt that and go, actually, I'm human and I've done some shit and I've, I've caused harm and I will cause harm, and that's actually a really important part of me working out my humanity. Then I'm stepping out of the bounds of being protected under white patriarchy.Danielle (32:06):I feel like I learned, I feel like so much resonance with that. I've had many similar experiences, but one stands out where right after the election I talked with a friend of mine on the phone, and I don't remember if she is a white colleague from same grad school and said something like, oh, it's just a bummer. And we didn't really talk about it. And I was like, that's all you could say. I thought about that. And later I sent a really kind text saying, Hey, that really hurt my feelings. I don't know. It doesn't make sense why we haven't talked about it more. And then I didn't hear back. It just went silent. This is someone I'd known for seven years.(32:45):Then later I called and I was like, Hey, what's up? And they're like, I can't believe you would write that to me If I ever engage you again, I want to start here. Some other random place. I was just sat back and I was like, I'm not giving this any more energy at that time. I said that to myself and it was just like the complete collapse when I said, you hurt my feelings, the complete collapse. When I said, I don't understand this, can we talk about it? And then I went through this period this summer of just having this feeling. I don't want to be at odds with people. So I left this person a voicemail saying, Hey man, can we talk? I haven't heard back from them, but I feel like I did my part. But I'm just struck it even in down from the big view, like the 30,000 foot view or how that person wants to reign the system on you to even interpersonally, if I don't like what you said, I'm just going to remove my presence,Jenny (33:51):Which I think again, is so much of the epidemic of whiteness. And I think it then produces such a fragility that's like I don't actually know how to bear open conflict and disruption because I'm not practiced at it, and I just will escape every time someone calls me to accountability or says something I don't like. And we can't stay in that place of tension.Yeah. Well, I think one is that I feel those tendencies so much in my own body, and I do think that we have capacity to metabolize them. And so I literally might say something like, great, could you let your body get up and run around the room or run in place? Or maybe you stay seated but you let your legs and your arms kick. And they think that if we even just let ourselves express I want to fight, or if I want to flee or I want to get away from this and we let our body do what we need to do, we can then come back to ourselves and have fuller access to our capacity. And again, sometimes I do think there are relationships or communities or things that we do need to step away from. And sometimes if we've only ever learned to say yes, we might go through a process where we swing to the other side and we just cut everyone out and then we get to learn how to have discernment and how to enter into relationships thoughtfully and how to know who are those people we will be investing in probably for a long time.(35:43):And so it's not denying that those impulses are there, but it's letting our bodies metabolize them and work through them. And it makes me think of res, menkin talks about dirty pain versus clean pain, and I think dirty pain is just like, this hurts. I'm going to avoid it. And just disconnect and dissociate clean pain is like this hurts and I'm going to press into it and I'm going to see what it can teach me and how I can grow into a stronger, more mature person through this process.Danielle (36:16):Man, that sounds like some good work you could do with somebody. I think the thing about therapy, coming back to what you said at the beginning is I think we want a quick answer. We want, we want to go to a retreat, we want to show up at the gym. In my case, I go to the gym often. We want to go somewhere, we want to feel like we did it, we accomplished it. And often at the gym, I can hear my coaches are saying just little steps. Every week and above doing lots of weight, it's showing up as much as you can, being consistent. And I kind of hear that in a little bit of what you're saying. It's not like getting to the end right away. It's tracking your body and the sensations and showing up for yourself even in that way.Jenny (37:08):And I think even like that, I love that analogy. I often say relationships are like muscles. They're only as strong as the ruptures that they can handle. And stronger muscles have had more and more and more and more ruptures. We build muscle through tearing and rebuilding. And I think that that's the same with relationship too. But if we've never torn, then we're so afraid of what's going to happen. If there is a rupture,Danielle:I don't know that we're going to heal that, but someone recently said the system is collapsing. It really is. It's coming down on itself. And I think really it's going to come down to the work that you talked about at the beginning, however people are choosing to see it. But one way you talked about it was that monochromatic lens and adding a lens, adding a lens. And I do think the challenge for all of us, even to form something new, whether that means new government, I don't know what it means, but just even a new way of being together set the government aside. It means really forming, adding lenses to ourselves. Jenny, I hope you're coming back to talk to me again.It's okay. Where can they find your stuff? Tell me.Jenny (38:42):Yeah, so I'm on Instagram at indwell movement, and then my website is indwell movement.com. So find me at either of those places, email me, reach out, send a message, would love to connect.Danielle (38:59):Okay, cool. Well, that's a wrap on this episode. If you can share, download, subscribe, tune into what we're talking about. But more important, have a conversation with a friend, a colleague, a neighbor, challenge your therapist, challenge your family. Don't forget to keep talking. And at the end of the show notes are resources, just some resources. They aren't the end all, be all of resources, but I'm putting 'em in there because I want you to know it's important to do resourcing for ourselves. As always, thank you for joining us, and at the end of the podcast are notes and resources, and I encourage you to stay connected to those who are loving in your path and in your community. Stay tuned.  Crisis Resources:Kitsap County & Washington State Crisis and Mental Health ResourcesIf you or someone else is in immediate danger, please call 911.This resource list provides crisis and mental health contacts for Kitsap County and across Washington State.Kitsap County / Local ResourcesResource Contact Info What They OfferSalish Regional Crisis Line / Kitsap Mental Health 24/7 Crisis Call Line Phone: 1‑888‑910‑0416Website: https://www.kitsapmentalhealth.org/crisis-24-7-services/ 24/7 emotional support for suicide or mental health crises; mobile crisis outreach; connection to services.KMHS Youth Mobile Crisis Outreach Team Emergencies via Salish Crisis Line: 1‑888‑910‑0416Website: https://sync.salishbehavioralhealth.org/youth-mobile-crisis-outreach-team/ Crisis outreach for minors and youth experiencing behavioral health emergencies.Kitsap Mental Health Services (KMHS) Main: 360‑373‑5031; Toll‑free: 888‑816‑0488; TDD: 360‑478‑2715Website: https://www.kitsapmentalhealth.org/crisis-24-7-services/ Outpatient, inpatient, crisis triage, substance use treatment, stabilization, behavioral health services.Kitsap County Suicide Prevention / “Need Help Now” Call the Salish Regional Crisis Line at 1‑888‑910‑0416Website: https://www.kitsap.gov/hs/Pages/Suicide-Prevention-Website.aspx 24/7/365 emotional support; connects people to resources; suicide prevention assistance.Crisis Clinic of the Peninsulas Phone: 360‑479‑3033 or 1‑800‑843‑4793Website: https://www.bainbridgewa.gov/607/Mental-Health-Resources Local crisis intervention services, referrals, and emotional support.NAMI Kitsap County Website: https://namikitsap.org/ Peer support groups, education, and resources for individuals and families affected by mental illness.Statewide & National Crisis ResourcesResource Contact Info What They Offer988 Suicide & Crisis Lifeline (WA‑988) Call or text 988; Website: https://wa988.org/ Free, 24/7 support for suicidal thoughts, emotional distress, relationship problems, and substance concerns.Washington Recovery Help Line 1‑866‑789‑1511Website: https://doh.wa.gov/you-and-your-family/injury-and-violence-prevention/suicide-prevention/hotline-text-and-chat-resources Help for mental health, substance use, and problem gambling; 24/7 statewide support.WA Warm Line 877‑500‑9276Website: https://www.crisisconnections.org/wa-warm-line/ Peer-support line for emotional or mental health distress; support outside of crisis moments.Native & Strong Crisis Lifeline Dial 988 then press 4Website: https://doh.wa.gov/you-and-your-family/injury-and-violence-prevention/suicide-prevention/hotline-text-and-chat-resources Culturally relevant crisis counseling by Indigenous counselors.Additional Helpful Tools & Tips• Behavioral Health Services Access: Request assessments and access to outpatient, residential, or inpatient care through the Salish Behavioral Health Organization. Website: https://www.kitsap.gov/hs/Pages/SBHO-Get-Behaviroal-Health-Services.aspx• Deaf / Hard of Hearing: Use your preferred relay service (for example dial 711 then the appropriate number) to access crisis services.• Warning Signs & Risk Factors: If someone is talking about harming themselves, giving away possessions, expressing hopelessness, or showing extreme behavior changes, contact crisis resources immediately.Well, first I guess I would have to believe that there was or is an actual political dialogue taking place that I could potentially be a part of. And honestly, I'm not sure that I believe that. Well, first I guess I would have to believe that there was or is an actual political dialogue taking place that I could potentially be a part of. And honestly, I'm not sure that I believe that.

The world is divided spiritually, politically, racially and socially. Luckily there are leaders like Latasha Morrison in the world who champion belonging, advocacy, collaboration and community. She is bringing her wisdom and years of experience with Be The Bridge to help us acknowledge our blind spots and pursue restoration through listening with empathy, learning with humility and advocating for justice.   RELEVANT LINKS: Grab “Brown Faces, White Spaces: Confronting Systemic Racism to Bring Healing and Restoration” and “Be the Bridge: Pursuing God's Heart for Racial Reconciliation” from our Becoming Church resource list on Amazon! Follow: @latashamorrison | @kristinmockleryoung | @mosaiccltFollow @kristinmockleryoung and @mosaicclt on Instagram. Leave a review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify Preorder Kristin's book “The Other Side of Certainty: How to Follow Jesus When Easy Answers No Longer Work” on Amazon or Bookshop.org or read Chapter One to see if it's right for you! If you already ordered The Other Side of Certainty, enter your order # for your pre-order bonuses!

Welcome back to What If I'm Wrong? A show where we might not give you the answers, but we will ask some really good questions. On today's episode, we're joined by Josh Clemons, executive director of OneRace Movement. Today we're continuing in our series on leadership. In this week's episode we're talking about why churches MUST lead in racial reconciliation.  Heather shares about the word reconciliation—and how it means making things right again.  Join host Heather Thompson Day and submission specialist Haley Hoskins for a conversation on how we as the Body of Christ should be leading in these spaces of racial reconciliation. In Day in the Bible, Heather reflects on 2 Corinthians 5:18-19, Paul wrote these words to remind the church that reconciliation isn't just a divine transaction - it's a divine calling. Have a story to share? Email us at whatifimwrongpod@gmail.com. Host Bio:  Dr. Heather Thompson Day is an interdenominational speaker, an ECPA bestseller, and has been a contributor for Religion News Service, Christianity Today, Newsweek and the Barna Group.  Heather was a communication professor for 13 years teaching both graduate and undergraduate students in Public Speaking, Persuasion, and Social Media. She is now the founder of It Is Day Ministries, a nonprofit organization that trains churches, leaders, and laypeople in what Heather calls Cross Communication, a gospel centered communication approach that points you higher, to the cross, every time you open your mouth.  Heather's writing has been featured on outlets like the Today Show, and the National Communication Association. She has been interviewed by BBC Radio Live and The Wall Street Journal.  She believes her calling is to stand in the gaps of our churches. She is the author of 9 books; including It's Not Your Turn, I'll See You Tomorrow, and What If I'm Wrong? Heather's Social Media Heather's Instagram Heather's Website  Heather's TikTok Heather's YouTube  Haley's Social Media Haley's Instagram Josh Clemons  OneRace Movement Josh's Instagram What If I'm Wrong Social Media What If I'm Wrong Instagram  What If I'm Wrong YouTube What If I'm Wrong Tik Tok Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What happens when the church trades the way of Jesus for the way of empire? In this episode of Shifting Culture, I talk with theologian and activist Drew Hart about his latest book, Making It Plain. We trace the long history of Christendom, the Doctrine of Discovery, and the legacies of white supremacy that continue to shape American Christianity today. But this isn't just a conversation about what went wrong. Drew offers a hopeful vision he calls Anablactivism - a merging of Anabaptist discipleship and the prophetic witness of the Black church. Together we explore how these traditions, born on the underside of oppression, can help us recover a faith that looks like Jesus: rooted in solidarity, committed to justice, and pursuing God's Shalom in our neighborhoods and the world. If you've wrestled with Christian nationalism, wondered how to disentangle faith from power, or longed for a discipleship that takes Jesus seriously, this conversation will both challenge and inspire you.Rev. Dr. Drew G. I. Hart is an associate professor of theology at Messiah University where he has directed the Thriving Together: Congregations for Racial Justice program in central PA since 2021. He co-hosts Inverse Podcast with Australian peace activist Jarrod McKenna and is the author of Trouble I've Seen: Changing the Way the Church Views Racism (2016), Who Will Be A Witness?: Igniting Activism for God's Justice, Love, and Deliverance (2020), and he co-edited and contributed to Reparations and the Theological Disciplines: Prophetic Voices for Remembrance, Reckoning, and Repair (Nov. 2023). His newest book is Making It Plain: Why We Need Anabaptism and the Black Church (September 2, 2025). Drew regularly speaks at colleges, conferences, churches, and community groups across the country. He is married to Renee and is the father of three sons.Drew's Book:Making it PlainDrew's Recommendations:God's Apocalyptic InsurrectionThe Lamb of the FreeSubscribe to Our Substack: Shifting CultureConnect with Joshua: jjohnson@allnations.usGo to www.shiftingculturepodcast.com to interact and donate. Every donation helps to produce more podcasts for you to enjoy.Follow on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, Threads, Bluesky or YouTubeConsider Giving to the podcast and to the ministry that my wife and I do around the world. Just click on the support the show link belowThe Balance of GrayFaith That Challenges. Conversations that Matter. Laughs included. Subscribe Now!Listen on: Apple Podcasts SpotifySupport the show

Open Forum: Pastor Amos opened the forum by welcoming attendees, sharing updates on the new schedule, and announcing events such as a midweek service on evangelism and an AI workshop. He reiterated the "Year of Believe" theme, encouraging personal belief amid broader societal turmoil. Stephanie reflected on her writing session's low turnout and shared her evolving documentary thesis on America's historical sins and spiritual wounds, prompting a deep discussion with Pastor Amos about national repentance and forgiveness. Her racial reconciliation project led to dialogue about healing between Black and white Americans, with contributions from Lynette, a film producer, and Pastor Amos, who emphasized cultural forgiveness and the limits of movements like "white fragility." Arlene shared her faith-led career transition and business discernment, while Bose sought advice on integrating faith into career coaching; Pastor Amos advised aligning her calling with her anointing. Lynette also sought spiritual support for an upcoming council meeting, receiving encouragement from the group, which closed in prayer. Partner with Us: https://churchforentrepreneurs.com/partner Connect with Us: https://churchforentrepreneurs.com                  

Who are the black evangelicals? How has contemporary evangelicalism reckoned with racial justice? Theologian Vincent Bacote joins Mark Labberton to discuss Black + Evangelical, a new documentary exploring the in-between experience of black Christians in white evangelical spaces. Bacote—professor of theology at Wheaton College and director of the Center for Applied Christian Ethics—shares his personal faith journey, early formation in the Navigators, growing racial consciousness, and decades-long engagement with questions of race, theology, and evangelical identity. Together, they work through the tensions, challenges, and possibilities for a more truthful and hopeful evangelical witness. Episode Highlights “The goal of the documentary is not to be a kind of hit piece about the evangelical movement. It's to tell the story of the church.” “To be for Black people is not to be against somebody else.” – Tom Skinner “I couldn't understand why the Bible people weren't leading the way on questions of race.” “Participation in evangelical spaces can't mean leaving part of yourself outside.” “Realism allows you to have honesty, but also remember the good news is the greatest news of all.” “God wants all of us—our whole selves—not a muted version.” Helpful Links and Resources Black + Evangelical Documentary (Christianity Today) Black + Evangelical Documentary Trailer The Political Disciple: A Theology of Public Life by Vincent Bacote Reckoning with Race and Performing the Good News by Vincent Bacote Breaking Down Walls by Raleigh Washington & Glen Kehrein Tom Skinner's Urbana 1970 Address (Full Audio) *The Color of Compromise* by Jemar Tisby About Vincent Bacote Vincent Bacote is professor of theology at Wheaton College and director of the Center for Applied Christian Ethics. He is the author of several books, including The Political Disciple: A Theology of Public Life and Reckoning with Race and Performing the Good News: In Search of a Better Evangelical Theology. His research and teaching address public theology, ethics, and the intersection of race and evangelical identity. Bacote is a widely cited commentator and a frequent voice in conversations about Christian faithfulness in public life. Show Notes Mark Labberton welcomes Vincent Bacote, professor of theology at Wheaton College and director of the Center for Applied Christian Ethics. Introduction to the Black + Evangelical documentary, a project Bacote helped conceive and produce. Bacote's upbringing at Shiloh Baptist Church of Glenarden, Maryland—unknowingly part of the Progressive National Baptist Convention. Conversion experience around age ten, preceded by years of genuine faith. College years at the Citadel; involvement in the Navigators campus ministry. Influence of a summer training program in Memphis focused on African American ministry. Early exposure to evangelical culture through radio preachers like Chuck Swindoll, Charles Stanley, John MacArthur, and James Dobson. Initial tensions over the lack of evangelical engagement on issues of race. Graduate studies at Trinity Evangelical Divinity School with the initial goal of becoming a pastor. Encounter with Raleigh Washington and Glen Kehrein's Breaking Down Walls, grounding racial reconciliation in Ephesians 2. Observations of the scarcity of black theologians in evangelical seminaries. 1993 Geneva College conference on black evangelicals—learning from leaders like Bill Pannell, Tom Skinner, Tony Evans, Carl Ellis, and Eugene Rivers. Writing an editorial titled “Black and Evangelical: An Uneasy Tension?” for the student paper at Trinity. Realization that evangelicalism is both a biblical and socio-cultural movement with contextual blind spots. Arrival at Wheaton College in 2000 with a focus on public theology and ethics beyond race alone. Genesis of the Black + Evangelical project at a 2008 Fuller Seminary gathering with Ron Potter. Partnership with Christianity Today and filmmaker Dan Long to shape the documentary. Filming over forty hours of interviews with twenty-four participants, distilled into a ninety-four-minute film. Mark Labberton highlights Tom Skinner's impact and his “Blackface” critique of white evangelicalism. Bacote reflects on his “racially optimistic” early years and growing awareness of systemic realities. Analysis of the Promise Keepers movement and the need for sustained relational work beyond large gatherings. Challenges in building genuine multiethnic churches versus surface-level diversity. The documentary's aim: to tell the church's story, honour lived experiences, and inspire commitment to mission. Bacote's “four stages” for minorities in evangelical institutions: delight, dissonance, distress, and decision. Emphasis on “sober hope”—honesty about pain while holding onto the good news. The gospel's call to bring one's full self into the life of the church. Closing encouragement to watch and share Black + Evangelical as a story worth hearing for the whole church. Production Credits Conversing is produced and distributed in partnership with Comment magazine and Fuller Seminary.

Dear friends in Christ, welcome to this podcast from All Saints Episcopal Church in Portland. All Saints is a loving, welcoming parish serving Southeast Portland for over a century. Our purpose is to celebrate God's love, seek and serve Christ in all persons, and go forth into the world rejoicing in the power of the Spirit!Today, we invite you to join our special guest the Rev. Ernestein Flemister, Missioner for Racial Reconciliation for the Episcopal Diocese of Oregon, as she preaches the gospel, and explores the mysteries of God in our modern world!To learn more about the work of the Diocese of Oregon toward racial reconciliation, we invite you to visit https://ecwo.org/erjwg/

Dear friends in Christ, welcome to this podcast from All Saints Episcopal Church in Portland. All Saints is a loving, welcoming parish serving Southeast Portland for over a century. Our purpose is to celebrate God's love, seek and serve Christ in all persons, and go forth into the world rejoicing in the power of the Spirit!Today, we invite you to join our special guest the Rev. Ernestein Flemister, Missioner for Racial Reconciliation for the Episcopal Diocese of Oregon, as she preaches the gospel, and explores the mysteries of God in our modern world!To learn more about the work of the Diocese of Oregon toward racial reconciliation, we invite you to visit https://ecwo.org/erjwg/

Dr. Dhati Lewis serves as the Vision and Multiplication Pastor of Blueprint Church as well as the Founder and President of MyBLVD, an organization focused on helping Christian leaders embrace presence, navigate division and lead with passion. Dhati is passionate about bringing contextualized resources to disciple-makers through coaching, consulting, cohort training, and church planting. He is married to his best friend, Angie, and they live in Atlanta, Georgia, with their children and church family. He is the author of Among Wolves: Disciple Making in the City and Advocates: The Narrow Path to Racial Reconciliation.

Dr. Dhati Lewis serves as the Vision and Multiplication Pastor of Blueprint Church as well as the Founder and President of MyBLVD, an organization focused on helping Christian leaders embrace presence, navigate division and lead with passion. Dhati is passionate about bringing contextualized resources to disciple-makers through coaching, consulting, cohort training, and church planting. He is married to his best friend, Angie, and they live in Atlanta, Georgia, with their children and church family. He is the author of Among Wolves: Disciple Making in the City and Advocates: The Narrow Path to Racial Reconciliation.

Dr. Dhati Lewis serves as the Vision and Multiplication Pastor of Blueprint Church as well as the Founder and President of MyBLVD, an organization focused on helping Christian leaders embrace presence, navigate division and lead with passion. Dhati is passionate about bringing contextualized resources to disciple-makers through coaching, consulting, cohort training, and church planting. He is married to his best friend, Angie, and they live in Atlanta, Georgia, with their children and church family. He is the author of Among Wolves: Disciple Making in the City and Advocates: The Narrow Path to Racial Reconciliation.

Dr. Dhati Lewis serves as the Vision and Multiplication Pastor of Blueprint Church as well as the Founder and President of MyBLVD, an organization focused on helping Christian leaders embrace presence, navigate division and lead with passion. Dhati is passionate about bringing contextualized resources to disciple-makers through coaching, consulting, cohort training, and church planting. He is married to his best friend, Angie, and they live in Atlanta, Georgia, with their children and church family. He is the author of Among Wolves: Disciple Making in the City and Advocates: The Narrow Path to Racial Reconciliation.

Dr. Dhati Lewis serves as the Vision and Multiplication Pastor of Blueprint Church as well as the Founder and President of MyBLVD, an organization focused on helping Christian leaders embrace presence, navigate division and lead with passion. Dhati is passionate about bringing contextualized resources to disciple-makers through coaching, consulting, cohort training, and church planting. He is married to his best friend, Angie, and they live in Atlanta, Georgia, with their children and church family. He is the author of Among Wolves: Disciple Making in the City and Advocates: The Narrow Path to Racial Reconciliation.

Dr. Dhati Lewis serves as the Vision and Multiplication Pastor of Blueprint Church as well as the Founder and President of MyBLVD, an organization focused on helping Christian leaders embrace presence, navigate division and lead with passion. Dhati is passionate about bringing contextualized resources to disciple-makers through coaching, consulting, cohort training, and church planting. He is married to his best friend, Angie, and they live in Atlanta, Georgia, with their children and church family. He is the author of Among Wolves: Disciple Making in the City and Advocates: The Narrow Path to Racial Reconciliation.

Dear friends in Christ, welcome to this podcast from All Saints Episcopal Church in Portland. All Saints is a loving, welcoming parish serving Southeast Portland for over a century. Our purpose is to celebrate God's love, seek and serve Christ in all persons, and go forth into the world rejoicing in the power of the Spirit!Today, we invite you to join our special guest the Rev. Ernestein Flemister, Missioner for Racial Reconciliation for the Episcopal Diocese of Oregon, as she preaches the gospel, and explores the mysteries of God in our modern world!To learn more about the work of the Diocese of Oregon toward racial reconciliation, we invite you to visit https://ecwo.org/erjwg/

What happens when a biracial man raised between two worlds—Black and white, chaos and faith, pain and purpose—steps into the pulpit with nothing but the gospel and a heart for unity?In this raw, honest, and deeply moving conversation, Pastor Riley Halliday shares his extraordinary story: growing up between two families, facing rejection, reconciling with a father who once offered to pay for his abortion, navigating racial tension in the Church, and ultimately discovering the healing power of Jesus Christ.From military discipline to ministry leadership, Riley speaks candidly on:

One my favorite books this year was Be The Bridge: Pursuing God's Heart for Racial Reconciliation by Latasha Morrison. A wonderful book that is challenging but also compassionate and full of grace. We've waded into conversations like this recently with Nikki Lerner, Darwin Hobbs, and David Gate. Why are we doing this? Because I truly […] The post #362: Is Racial Reconciliation and a Healthy Multicultural Church Possible? An interview with Latasha Morrison appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

Today, we're discussing the recent controversy surrounding Shiloh Hendrix, who called a black child a racial slur at a playground instead of taking the concern to the child's parents. This behavior is not only unacceptable—it's unchristian. As followers of Christ, we are called to be above reproach (1 Timothy 3:2), especially when dealing with the next generation. God will not judge us by our skin color, so why are we so quick to judge others by theirs? We can simultaneously be aware of the statistics about certain cultures within particular races, and realize that this is not how we handle those problems. We'll explore the biblical approach to conflict resolution. When there's a problem with a child's behavior, the godly route is to speak directly with their parents—not to attack the child. Christians must hold one another accountable. --https://policecoffee.com/collections/coffee

Laura Lomax shares her journey bridging cultural gaps through tailored online learning. Revealing how to adapt DEI content for different audiences, she explores practical strategies for fostering inclusion and engagement, offering actionable takeaways for course creators.Laura Lomax is an intercultural practitioner, instructional designer, training and development specialist, and a certified professional coach.In this episode, Ari, Abe, and Laura discuss:Laura's professional background in intercultural competency, program development, and training across multiple industriesThe evolution of diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) work and adapting terminology to suit different audiencesStrategies for approaching and customizing courses for organizations, especially impenetrable or conservative institutionsThe importance of tailoring course content and delivery for specific, niche audiencesTechniques for making sensitive or divisive topics more relatable and accessible to all learnersBest practices for effective online course design, including formats, interaction, and engagementChallenges and methods for fostering active participation and deeper engagement in online programsObtaining and utilizing continuing education accreditation as a business strategy and marketing toolLessons learned and practical advice for course creators on course organization, technology use, and content presentationWays to follow up with learners and organizations to ensure training effectiveness and lasting impact“We used the word ‘inclusion' a lot, but unfortunately, diversity, equity, even the word culture, was a little triggering.” — Laura LomaxGuest Bio:Laura Lomax has more than 35 years of leadership experience, including 18 years as CEO of a health care management firm. From assessment, analysis, and program development to delivery and evaluation, Laura focused on designing solutions to underserved communities as well as governmental agencies, including police departments, sheriff's departments, jails, and prison systems in 10 states across the U.S.Since 2015, Laura has focused on developing customized workplace learning solutions to build intercultural awareness and accountability for individuals, teams, and organizations.  She has administered assessments and provided cultural competence workshops to more than 2,000 participants from the following sectors: government, education (K-20), banking, health care, law enforcement, social services, hospitality, and nonprofit agencies.Laura received her BA in Anthropology (1984) and Master of Science in Instructional Design and Technology (2022). She is a certified Intercultural Practitioner and a Qualified Intercultural Development Inventory Administrator. Laura is also a certified facilitator/trainer for competency-building programs, including Cultural Detective, Emotional Intelligence in Diversity, and Pathways to Racial Reconciliation. In 2018 she received the NAACP Pioneer Award for building inclusive communities through leadership.Resources or websites mentioned in this episode:MiraseeRuzukuLaura's website: InterculturalWorks.comLaura's courses: courses.elearnersource.comLaura's email: laura@interculturalworks.comCredits:Hosts: Ari Iny and Abe CrystalProducer and Editor: Michi LantzExecutive Producer: Danny InyMusic Soundscape: Chad Michael SnavelyMaking our hosts sound great: Home Brew AudioTo catch the great episodes that are coming up on Course Lab, please follow us on Mirasee FM's YouTube channel or your favorite podcast player. And if you enjoyed the show, please leave us a comment or a starred review. It's the best way to help us get these ideas to more people.Music credits:Track Title: Bossa BBArtist Name: MarieWriter Name: Chelsea McGoughPublisher Name: A SOUNDSTRIPE PRODUCTIONTrack Title: Coo CoosArtist Name: Dresden, The FlamingoWriter Name: Matthew WigtonPublisher Name: A SOUNDSTRIPE PRODUCTIONTrack Title: GraceArtist Name: ShimmerWriter Name: Matthew WigtonPublisher Name: BOSS SOUNDSTRIPE PRODUCTIONSTrack Title: Carousel LightsArtist Name: Chelsea McGoughWriter Name: Chelsea McGoughWriter Name: Matthew WigtonPublisher Name: A SOUNDSTRIPE PRODUCTIONPublisher Name: BOSS SOUNDSTRIPE PRODUCTIONSSpecial effects credits:24990513_birds-chirping_by_promission used with permission of the author and under license by AudioJungle/Envato Market.Episode transcript: How Smart Course Creators Tackle “Divisive” Topics (Laura Lomax).

SEND US A MESSAGE! We'd Love to Chat With you and Hear your thoughts! We'll read them on the next episode. This is an earlier conversation with Monique Duson and Kevin Briggins of the Center for Biblical Unity and Offcode Podcast. We discuss a relatively recent article in Christianity Today written by Justin Giboney of the AndCampaign. It seems that there is some revising going on when we reflect on the last 10 years and the social justice movement that swept across churches in the United States. The Black Lives Matter movement and critical theory have both been proven toxic. We discuss exactly how we can know that. Link to Woke Preacher ArticleIn the second half of the show, the trio react to Eric Mason's recent statements about the presence of the prosperity Gospel in the black church.LINK TO THE THREADSupport the showPlease Rate & Comment!Hosts: Brandon and Daren SmithWebsite: www.blackandblurred.comPatreon: www.patreon.com/blackandblurredPaypal: https://paypal.me/blackandblurredYouTube: Black and Blurred PodcastIG: @BlackandBlurredPodcastX: @Blurred_Podcast

SEND US A MESSAGE! We'd Love to Chat With you and Hear your thoughts! We'll read them on the next episode.  In this thought-provoking episode, Brandon tackles a sensitive and timely question: Is America's Church RACIST? Brandon explores the complex and often controversial relationship between faith and race in the United States. From the legacy of slavery and segregation to modern-day biases and macroaggressions, we examine the ways in which racism has been perpetuated and perpetuates within Christian hearts. Have we justified hatred by hearkening back to the hatred that preceded it? Is the church truly a beacon of hope and unity, or has it failed to address its own complicity in modern, systemic racism? Listen in and share your thoughts in the comments. Let us know if you also see the growth in ethnic idolatry. Visit Brandon's Church Plant WebsiteSupport the showPlease Rate & Comment!Hosts: Brandon and Daren SmithWebsite: www.blackandblurred.comPatreon: www.patreon.com/blackandblurredPaypal: https://paypal.me/blackandblurredYouTube: Black and Blurred PodcastIG: @BlackandBlurredPodcastX: @Blurred_Podcast

Monique was joined by our friends, Kevin Briggins, and Brandon Smith from the Black and Blurred podcast to talk about a recent article by our friend Woke Preacher Clips. It's a whole long discussion about the decay of race relations in evangelical churches in the last 10 years. Link to the article: "The “Racial Reconciliation” Movement Is Over. Good—Progressives Ruined It" https://centerforbaptistleadership.org/the-racial-reconciliation-movement-is-over-good-progressives-ruined-it/ In the second half of the show, the trio react to Eric Mason's recent statements about the presence of the prosperity Gospel in the black church. Link to the thread: https://x.com/pastoremase/status/1901042476338868451 Check out Brandon Smith's podcast: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCX1SN81UTyvN4g-TJzHm5kQ -- Be sure to stay connected by downloading the CFBU app! With the CFBU app, you'll have all our resources (Theology Mom, All the Things Show, and CFBU) at your fingertips. Search for "center for biblical unity" in your app store.

"And I think God is moving all the time in those areas, and we miss it. I don't want to miss it." Adrienne Reedy.In this episode of the Be. Make. Do. podcast, Lisa talks with Adrienne Reedy, a multi-talented artist and mentor. She discusses her journey in art and music, emphasizing the transformative impact of visual arts on her life. She stresses the importance of recognizing God's guidance and maintaining joy and positivity, despite challenges. Reedy's motivation stems from a deep sense of being loved and supported, which she aims to instill in others. Join us for this challenging and encouraging conversation.The Maker, The Mystic, The Soul Healer, The Imaginative Visionary, The Prophetic Critic or the Storyteller? What's your archetype? Take the quiz here!Learn more about Adrienne on her website: https://adriennereedy.net/about/Get more inspiration from Adrienne's monthly Artscape to Heartscape conversations with artists on YouTube. Learn more about Convergence at https://www.vergenow.orgStay in touch and share your thoughts:TikTok: @bemakedopodcast
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There's a crisis of good news in our world today. The message of the gospel - the radical, transformative love of God poured out through Jesus Christ - has become muted, obscured by the noise of culture wars and the bitter taste of Christendom's failures. For many, the idea of "evangelism" conjures up images of slick preachers and aggressive door-to-door campaigns, leaving a sour note where there should be a jubilant melody. But my guest today, Derwin Gray, is on a mission to reclaim that melody - to help believers rediscover the joy and power of sharing the good news, not as a chore or a weapon, but as an overflow of the love that has set their own hearts ablaze. As the founding pastor of Transformation Church, Derwin has witnessed firsthand the way a community can be "lit up with love" - a people so captivated by the grace of God that it spills out into every corner of their lives. In our conversation, he unpacks a vision of evangelism that is relational, empathetic, and rooted in the overwhelming reality of God's affection. It's a perspective that has the potential to rekindle our passion for the gospel and reshape how we engage a world that is, in many ways, starving for the good news. So join me as we dive into Derwin's story, and discover how the simple act of receiving God's love can transform us into everyday missionaries, compelled to share the most life-giving news the world has ever known. Dr. Derwin L. Gray is the co-founding and Lead Pastor of Transformation Church, just outside of Charlotte, NC. He is also the author of several books, including “How to Heal Our Racial Divide: What the Bible Says, and What the First Century Christians Knew about Racial Reconciliation." You can follow him at @derwinlgray on Instagram, Twitter, and Facebook, as well as www.derwinlgray.com.Derwin's Book:Lit Up With LoveDerwin's Recommendation:Paul: A BiographySubscribe to Our Substack: Shifting CultureConnect with Joshua: jjohnson@allnations.usGo to www.shiftingculturepodcast.com to interact and donate. Every donation helps to produce more podcasts for you to enjoy.Follow on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, Threads, Bluesky or YouTubeConsider Giving to the podcast and to the ministry that my wife and I do around the world. Just click on the support the show link belowEmail jjohnson@allnations.us, so we can get your creative project off the ground! Support the show

Perhaps no executive order of President Trump’s has so far been met with as much confusion and consternation as the one issued two weeks ago freezing federal funding for grants and loans. Although it has been blocked temporarily by federal courts, nonprofits and organizations are still reeling from the effect it’s had on grants they’ve won from agencies like the National Endowment for the Arts.  That’s especially true if you’re a nonprofit like Portland choir Cappella Romana, which won a $35,000 NEA grant last May for the premiere of a work about racial reconciliation that fuses Orthodox music with African American gospel. As first reported in Oregon ArtsWatch, the choir was uncertain its NEA grant money could be accessed for performances of Canon for Racial Reconciliation in Seattle and Portland after the federal funding freeze was announced. But a direct appeal to donors, who gave more than $20,000 in 48 hours, has ensured the shows on Feb. 28 and March 1 will go on. On the morning of Feb. 11, the NEA funds appeared in Cappella Romana’s accounts, according to executive director Mark Powell. He joins us to talk about the Canon for Racial Reconciliation, and how the evolving guidance for NEA grants may close the door to works championing racial diversity or marginalized communities.  

Season 6 — with a focus on Reconciliation — kicks off with Rev. Paul Roberts Sr., who doesn't actually use that word. Why? He explains it well in this episode that will have you contemplating the meaning of the term, and how it interacts with the terms Repair and Reparations. Rev. Bill Davis leads the conversation with Roberts, who serves as President of Johnson C. Smith Seminary in Atlanta. Together, they explore the vital topics of repair, and reparations — examining their theological foundations and implications for faith communities today. How can the church actively participate in healing historical injustices? What role does theology play in the call for reparations? Join us for this powerful discussion on justice, faith, and transformative action.

Esau McCauley is a professor of New Testament and Public Theology at Wheaton College, as well as the bestselling author of seven books. In this week's episode, we're talking about his newest book, How Far to the Promised Land, in which he shares his own story of hope and his family's legacy. We also dive into his two fantastic children's books: Andy Johnson and the March for Justice and Josey Johnson's Hair and the Holy Spirit. Through it all, he shares so much rich truth about what it looks like to advocate for justice and anti-racism as a family. This is a conversation that we believe will both enlighten and inspire you. It sure did both of us! You may also enjoy these episodes. Ep 24: Talking to Kids About Race with Dr. Chinwe Williams Ep 96: Teaching Kids How to Engage with People Who Have Differing Points of View with Carlos Whittaker . . . . . Sign up to receive the monthly newsletter to keep up to date with where David and Sissy are speaking, where they are taco'ing, PLUS conversation starters for you and your family to share! Go behind the scenes and watch our podcast on YouTube! Download a copy of the Raising Boys and Girls Feelings Chart. Connect with David, Sissy, and Melissa at raisingboysandgirls.com. . . . . . If you would like to partner with Raising Boys and Girls as a podcast sponsor, fill out our Advertise with us form. A special thank you to our sponsors: Needed: Head over to thisisneeded.com and use code RBG for 20% off your first order. Jolie: Jolie will give you your best skin & hair guaranteed. Head to jolieskinco.com/RBG to try it out for yourself with FREE shipping. And if you don't like it— you can return your Jolie for a full refund within 60 days, no questions asked. Our Place: Go to fromourplace.com and enter my code RBG at checkout to receive 10% off sitewide. Our Place offers a 100 day trial with free shipping and returns. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week we share a Soundings Seminar featuring an in-depth introduction to the Racial Reconciliation Group—a diverse, grassroots community focused on building relationships for racial healing, unity, and justice. They discuss how their group began, some of what they have worked through together, and more generally why they think their group has been so transformative for its members. This was originally recorded as part of Coracle's 2024 “Justice, Mercy & Humility” Soundings Seminar Series.View Our Full Archive of Soundings Seminarsinthecoracle.org  |  @inthecoracle Support the show

January 21, 2025 | Latasha Morrison Latasha Morrison—speaker, founder of Be the Bridge, Master's student in Biblical and Theological Studies, and author...

Latasha Morrison is a speaker, author, reconciler, bridge-builder and leader, committed to educate people on cultural intelligence and racial literacy. She's the author of Be the Bridge and the recently released Brown Faces, White Spaces. In this podcast conversation, Latasha tells us how she got into the space of racial reconciliation, the challenges she's faced, the power of listening, and how people can pursue great racial literacy in our polarized world around this topic. Register for the Austin conference on sexualtiy (Sept 17-18) here: https://www.centerforfaith.com/programs/leadership-forums/faith-sexuality-and-gender-conference-live-in-austin-or-stream-online Register for the Exiles 2 day conference in Denver (Oct 4-5) here: https://theologyintheraw.com/exiles-denver/  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Do we believe in redemption?  That's the question Latasha Morrison, author and founder of Be the Bridge, encourages listeners to consider. On this episode, Morrison and Moore discuss the issues of race, culture, and history's impact on the present. They talk about what it's like to listen, lament, and act on behalf of the oppressed—surrendering our work to the Lord as we walk the path of justice, righteousness, and reconciliation. Resources mentioned in this episode or recommended by the guest include: Brown Faces, White Spaces: Confronting Systemic Racism to Bring Healing and Restoration by Latasha Morrison Be the Bridge: Pursuing God's Heart for Racial Reconciliation by Latasha Morrison Be the Bridge Misreading Scripture with Western Eyes: Removing Cultural Blinders to Better Understand the Bible by E. Randolph Richards and Richard James Misreading Scripture with Individualist Eyes: Patronage, Honor, and Shame in the Biblical World by E. Randolph Richards and Richard James Jemar Tisby “Meet 115 Changemakers Working With Facebook To Bring The World Together” Ruby Bridges Goes to School: My True Story by Ruby Bridges Ta-Nehisi Coates  Do you have a question for Russell Moore? Send it to questions@russellmoore.com. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Kansas City Chiefs Kicker, Harrison Butker, recently gave a controversial commencement address at Benedictine College where he drew on some popular conservative talking points about Pride Month, Covid 19 policies, and the calling of women in the home. Phil, Skye, and Kaitlyn discuss the problems they had with the speech, as well as their frustrations with some of the criticism of the speech, and how Butker's views seem to have been influenced more by conservative politics than the historic Catholic position on these issues. Then, Kaitlyn sits down with Latasha Morrison to talk about her new book, "Brown Faces, White Spaces." They discuss the importance of understanding historical context to grasp the roots and impacts of systemic racism, and practical ways that churches and individuals can engage in the work of racial reconciliation. Plus, a megachurch in Texas tried to manipulate a traffic study for a stop light, and Phil thinks he has proof that News of the Butt is the best part of the podcast.   Holy Post Plus   0:00 - Intro   1:29 - Show Starts   2:26 - Theme Song   2:47 - Sponsor - Sundays Dog Food - Get 35% off your first order of Sundays. Go to www.SundaysForDogs.com/HOLYPOST or use code HOLYPOST at checkout.   4:00 - Sponsor - Blueland - Get 15% off your first order by going to https://www.blueland.com/HOLYPOST   5:11 - Megachurch Manipulates Stoplight Placement 10:49 - News of the Butt Supporters Speak Out   13:35 - Harrison Butker   23:00 - Why Did Butker's Speech Get So Much Attention?   29:31 - Pope Francis Says Conservatives Have “Suicidal” Mindset   37:12 - Is the Media More Spiritually Formative Than the Pope?   44:15 - Sponsor - Better Help - Get 10% off your first month at www.betterhelp.com/holypost   45:11 - Sponsor - Go to https://www.songfinch.com/HOLYPOST and start your original song!   46:40 - Interview   48:20 - What is “Be the Bridge?”   55:37 - Understanding Historical Context in Discussing Racial Divide   59:02 - Why She Combined Personal History, Data, and the Bible in “Be the Bridge”   1:03:40 - How Scripture Informs Justice   1:14:14 - Jesus, the Suffering Servant   1:19:53 - Maintaining Hope for Restoration   1:24:48 - End Credits Links Mentioned in the News Segment:   Texas Megachurch Hits the Brakes After Trying to Skew a Traffic Study: https://religionnews.com/2024/05/14/a-texas-megachurch-tried-to-fudge-a-traffic-study-to-get-a-new-light-it-did-not-end-well-josh-howerton-lakepointe-church/   Benedictine Sisters of Mount St. Scholastica Rebut Harrison Butker as No One Else Could: https://www.yahoo.com/news/benedictine-sisters-mount-st-scholastica-100700734.html?   Pope Francis says U.S. Conservatives Have a “Suicidal Attitude”: https://www.axios.com/2024/05/20/pope-francis-60-minutes-interview-takeaways   Other resources: Be the Bridge: Pursuing God's Heart for Racial Reconciliation: https://a.co/d/eZLQFB6   Brown Faces, White Spaces: Confronting Systemic Racism to Bring Healing and Restoration: https://a.co/d/bERMEXN   Holy Post website: https://www.holypost.com/ Holy Post Plus: www.holypost.com/plus Holy Post Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/holypost Holy Post Merch Store: https://www.holypost.com/shop   The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.  

Today we remember Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.—we remember his dream, the progress for Civil Rights that he helped make possible, and we remember the tension he held between hope and reality. You may know him best for his “I have a dream” speech, but did you know he also said, “The dream had turned somewhat into a nightmare.”? My friend Latasha Morrison, bridge-builder and racial reconciler, is joining us to talk about how far we've come and how far we have yet to go— the hope and the nightmare we still see today.  I believe this conversation is more important now that it was in 2020. Latasha helps us pull back the curtain on race in America over the last four years.  You ready to jump in? We've got work to do. . . . . . Find Latasha here: https://latashamorrison.com/ Learn more about Be the Bridge here: https://bethebridge.com/podcast/ Buy Latasha's book Be the Bridge: Pursuing God's Heart for Racial Reconciliation here: https://amzn.to/3NXzBli  . . . . . Purchase your copy of my new book, How to Human, HERE: https://bit.ly/HowtoHumanNotes Let's keep in touch! Sign up for my newsletter to be the first to hear ALL my updates: https://bit.ly/MasFamiliaNotes Interested in advertising with us? Reach out here. . . . . . BITE TOOTHPASTE: Head to trybite.com/HUMANHOPE to get 20% off your first order or use promo code HUMANHOPE. HIYA HEALTH: Receive 50% off your first order at hiyahealth.com/HUMANHOPE Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices