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In this episode, we sit down with Adam Caldwell from Maple Reinders to explore how internal storytelling and site documentation can drive real tech adoption on construction sites. From thermal drone workflows to in-house video production, learn how Adam's team turned progress updates into a viral internal flywheel – winning buy-in from PMs, supers, and execs. If you're trying to scale reality capture, improve adoption, or make tech stick, this one's for you.

Live from the AGC National Convention, this episode of Build Different features Roy Malcom (DPR Construction) and Cheri Hanes (AXA XL) as we unpack why construction tech so often gets ignored – and how to change that. From aligning tools with real jobsite pain points to building buy-in across teams, this convo is packed with practical tips to make your tech actually stick.

Bombarded with demos and LinkedIn DMs? Felipe Serrano from Brasfield & Gorrie breaks down his field-tested process for evaluating construction tech without burning out. From vendor intake forms to cross-team buy-in, we unpack how to vet tools, prove ROI, and avoid tech fatigue—especially if you're flying solo without a dedicated R&D team. Real talk from the jobsite to the boardroom.

Construction tech pioneer Joe Williams joins the show to unpack why smaller, leaner teams are better positioned to reshape the industry. From launching Project Atlas to navigating a Bluebeam acquisition, Joe shares hard-earned lessons on product vision, AI, and why unified data beats a bloated tech stack every time. If you're rethinking how to build smarter with less overhead – this one's for you.

Contracts don't care what you meant—they care what you documented. In this episode, construction attorney Stewart Shurtleff joins the crew to break down the legal risks hiding in your jobsite texts, emails, RFIs, and photos. We dive into where AI helps (and where it hurts), how reality capture is changing disputes, and why casual communication can cost you big.

Jan Ahner from Alvin H. Butz, Inc. isn't your typical superintendent. In this episode, we unpack how a boots-on-the-ground builder is driving tech adoption on his own terms — from early drone deployments to site-wide digital workflows. If you think innovation only comes top-down, this conversation will change your mind.

In this episode, drone consultant Ted shares how he turned hands-on field work into viral content and real industry impact—breaking down what actually works in reality capture, both on the jobsite and online.

The crew breaks down the ultimate project bracket – pitting execution tools, data strategies and industry workflows head-to-head. From drones vs. laser scanning to the battle between Precon and Financial Control, tune in for a no-holds-barred debate on what truly moves the needle in construction.

In this episode of Built Different, co-host Adam announces his departure from Built Different to rejoin Turner Construction, marking a full-circle moment in his career. The team reflects on his impact in bridging construction and technology, from field operations to marketing and community building. The conversation shifts to the power of preconstruction, and the importance of integrating reality capture and site logistics planning early in the project lifecycle.

Big changes on Build Different! We're switching up the lineup and bringing in a new voice. Tune in as we introduce our new host, dive into his journey through construction and tech, and talk about what's next for the show.

In this episode of Built Different, we're diving into three big questions shaping the industry: Are robotics the next frontier or just another overhyped tool? How do Division 1 specs impact the way projects get built? And what really defines a strong community in construction? Plus, we break down the shift from tech to doctrine – where tools are no longer just job site solutions but written into contracts. Expect real talk, sharp takes and a no-BS look at the forces changing how we build.

In this episode of Built Different, we dive into career transitions—what makes people stay in construction, what pushes them to explore new opportunities, and whether the grass is really greener on the other side. From industry challenges and job site realities to the appeal of tech and remote work, we break down the factors that drive career moves and share personal stories of navigating change. Whether you're considering a shift or just curious about what it's like on the other side, this episode delivers real talk on the opportunities and trade-offs of leaving the field.

In this episode, we dive into stadium construction trends, the rise of FPV drone footage, and must-have tech tools – Meta Smart Glasses, DJI Osmo cameras, and more. We also break down top insights from the ASC competition and reveal how industry events are shaping the next wave of construction talent and innovation.

The Built Different podcast returns with a fresh lineup of hosts—Brian Vizarreta, Grant Hagen and Adam Della Monica—bringing unfiltered conversations straight from the field. In this kickoff episode, we dive into the realities of tech adoption in construction: why CYA culture is taking over, how AI is actually being used (or ignored) on job sites, and whether robotics and automation will finally gain traction. Plus, we unpack the challenges of overloaded workloads, the disconnect between innovation and implementation and why the best tech should make work easier, not harder.

And that's a wrap on Season 4! Before we close out the season, your hosts Grant Hagen and Adam Della Monica sit down for one last conversation. Big thank you to everyone who tuned in, we'll see you again for season 5!

Communication is key in construction, but how do you ensure it's clear, efficient and avoids costly misunderstandings? In this episode, we head over to Skender to chat with Senior Vice President Clay Edwards and Senior Superintendent Tom Behringer. They share how they've transformed their workflows by embracing tech that not only enhances communication, but also saves valuable time and money.

Sometimes in order to thrive in construction you have to take a chance and jump into the deep end In this episode, we took a trip over to CORE Construction to discuss how their teams take a chance on tech. We sat down with Project Manager ZR Saenz and VDC Manager Madina Tursunboeva to discuss their personal experiences in navigating cutting-edge tech, how they've fostered a innovative and positive work culture and why all builders should be lifelong learners.

Want to see how experience and fresh ideas are changing construction? Forget those outdated ideas about the industry. This episode goes behind the scenes with Zac Denison (Senior Superintendent) and Todd Harper (Director of Construction Technology from Austin Commercial to show you how tech, fresh talent, and smart teamwork are powering the jobsites of today and laying the foundation for the jobsites of tomorrow. If you want to know what it takes to build in the 21st century, this is your listen.

Are you drowning in tech jargon and empty promises? In this episode, we show you how you can cut through the hype and find the tech that REALLY works. Austin Lay (Reality Capture Technologies Manager) and Jon Ferguson (Vice President) from Layton Construction share how construction tech has changed – and why your workers are now the ones asking for the latest tools. We explore the value of dedicated tech resources for getting real results on the jobsite and focus on the problem-solving tools that deliver instead of overpromising. Plus, learn how innovations like drones and BIM have become the new industry standards you can't build without.

Tired of tech that creates more headaches than solutions? Many construction teams feel overwhelmed by the constant stream of new construction tech. We cut through the noise with seasoned construction pros, Jeff Forbes (Regional Director, Beck Group) and Paul Krauss (General Superintendent, Beck Group). They share the real-world tools they swear by and how these technologies make a tangible impact on jobsites. Get ready to discover field-proven solutions that address common construction pain points. Learn how modeling software empowers you to identify and resolve clashes before construction begins, saving you time, money, and rework.

Too often, more tech means more headaches – a pile of tools that slow you down instead of boosting productivity. In this episode of Built Different, we explore how to streamline your tech stack and find solutions that make a real impact. Join seasoned construction veterans Vice President, Josh Carson and superintendent, Mike Kuzenski from Moss and Associates as they share their strategies for overcoming tech fatigue and choosing tools that truly empower your team. We'll discuss their field-tested tech wins, how they secure executive buy-in for innovation, and why strong relationships remain the foundation of successful projects, even in our tech-driven world.

The Built Different podcast is back and this season we're headed to the field

And that's a wrap on season 3 of the Built Different podcast!  And to wrap it up appropriately, we invited our guests back to share some of their most memorable moments and impactful learnings from the season, as well as just spend some time together and have a few laughs.  Our special reunion episode features:  -Gary Chapman, VDC regional manager at Turner Construction  -Cole Milberger, senior VDC manager at Turner Construction  -Josh Bergstrom, vp of field operations at Ryan Companies -Lucas Manos, director of IT applications at Ryan Companies -Josh DeStefano, west coast innovations leader at DPR Construction -Randy Christiansen, sr. VDC manager at Layton Construction  -Sean Farrell, construction manager at Layton Construction  -Wilson Haworth, VDC manager at Juneau Construction

More tech doesn't always mean better outcomes, in fact, having a large suite of point-solutions can often slow you down and negatively impact builder quality of life.  In this episode of Built Different, we met with the innovative leaders at Ryan Companies, vice president of field ops, Josh Bergstrom, and director of IT applications, Lucas Manos. During this conversation, we explored Ryan Companies' tech evaluation process and the parameters they use to overcome tech fatigue by finding and cutting the solutions that aren't solving anything. We also took a look at some of their big tech wins from the field and how Ryan Companies uses the results from those wins to achieve executive buy-in.  Ryan Companies is a national builder that utilizes cutting-edge construction technology to deliver a distinct and meaningful impact on every project, blending innovation with client-focused solutions. This approach ensures enhanced experiences, vibrant communities, and superior, safe buildings.

To get the most out of your technology you have to do more than just use it, you have to build a culture around that technology that empowers innovation.  In this episode of Built Different, we met with the innovative leaders at DPR construction, director of strategic investments and partnerships, Kaushal Diwan, and west coast innovation lead, Josh DeStefano. During this conversation, we explored the impact of DPR's innovative community and how freeing up builders at the beginning of a project can help inspire executive leadership buy-in on the tools that work. We also explored the biggest misconceptions around technology and how you can identify the changemakers at your organization. DPR Construction stands as an innovative, self-executing general contractor and construction management firm, expertly navigating the intricacies of sustainable, technologically advanced projects across various sectors. The scope of DPR's work spans from extensive new builds to minor tenant enhancements and distinctive projects.

Leveraging technology in construction can revolutionize your results, but integrating it seamlessly into your workflow is key.

If you're building something, why would you not use a digital representation of that project from the very beginning? For Turner Construction, this is just common sense.  In this episode of Built Different, we flew over to Nashville Tennessee, to visit Turner Construction to see how they've ingrained technology into every step of their workflow. During our visit, we got the opportunity to chat with VDC regional manager, Gary Chapman and senior VDC manager Cole Milberger all about how they win more work by building trust both internally and externally. During the conversation, we got deep into how Turner uses digital representations of their sites and why you need to get tech involved at the ground floor to see the best results.  Turner is the largest domestic contractor in the United States, completing $12 billion of construction on 1,500 projects each year. 

The construction industry isn't going to die anytime soon, but there is a significant risk that if we don't transform we won't thrive.  In this episode of Built Different, Grant Hagen flew down to Sydney, Australia to sit down with CEO of the Australian Constructors Association (ACA) Jon Davies and Autodesk's industry strategy manager, Sumit Oberoi. During the episode, we turned our attention ahead to the future of construction, and why the industry as a whole must improve builders' day-to-day if it wants to thrive and how tech plays a role in helping attract the next generation of builders. The Australian Constructors Association (ACA) represents industry leaders across Australia, ensuring builders are supported in delivering infrastructure to communities across the country. The ACA's mission is to build a more sustainable and collaborative construction industry in Australia.  Autodesk is a construction software company specializing in helping the industry amplify the way that they build. From AutoCAD to Revit, Autodesk provides construction teams with a full suite of tools to help them create more awareness on their project allowing for broad collaboration across teams. 

Good tech is meant to augment and improve builders' lives – not replace them.  In this episode of Built Different, we visited Choate Construction's VDC office to chat with VDC director Todd Barrett and assistant project manager David Talley. During the conversation, we discussed the steps and elements needed to build a tech-forward company culture and how to tackle the challenge of quantifying successful tech adoption. More importantly, we went deep into how tech should only work to better builder experiences and never replace them.  Choate Construction is a 100% employee-owned and ENR top 400 construction company that executes projects from coast to coast. Choate's builders are dedicated to forging lasting relationships through superb construction solutions that deliver exceptional results. Choate puts their people first and focuses on the innovations that improve their teams' quality of life.

The Built Different Podcast is back for season 3! This season we took the show on the road, meeting teams in site trailers, offices and even a few podcast studios to discuss how the latest innovations are having an impact within their organizations. To kick off the season, we visited Juneau Construction's podcast studio and sat down with VDC manager Wilson Haworth and VP of operations Greg Cornwell to discuss what success looks like for new tech. From laser scanning to drone facade inspections, we shined a light on the tools Juneau is using for their biggest projects and how they've been able to separate the good from the bad.  Juneau Construction is a premiere builder of higher education facilities and multifamily buildings throughout the Southeast. Founded in 1997, Juneau boasts more than 185 employees with offices in Atlanta, Miami and Tampa. Among many of their large scale projects, Juneau taps the latest in reality capture technology to track progress, validate work and execute successfully on a wide variety of projects.

The Built Different podcast is back! In season 3, Grant Hagen and Brian Vizarreta took the show on the road, meeting teams in site trailers, offices and even a few podcast studios to discuss how the latest innovations are having an impact within their organizations. This season, we're introducing live streams to the mix to invite YOU to join the conversation. We'll also provide show recaps for each episode in our new Built Different Download. Join us on August 7th as we continue this journey together.

And that's a wrap on season 2 of the Built Different podcast!  To end it with a bang we invited the rest of our guests back for a virtual roundtable to talk about how the industry has changed since recording their episodes 9 months ago and why not all tech is good tech for your business.  Part two of our special reunion episode features:  John Andres, director of technology at Andres Construction Technology Jesse Jones, emerging technology manager at Swinerton Patrick Scarpati, VDC manager at Harkins Builders Anthony Chiaradonna, CIO at Consigli Construction Nichole Carter, founder of ICWSAT Cutler Knupp, managing director at Dysruptek Ben Stocker, construction technologist at Skender And don't forget to register for our upcoming livestream Q&A with the hosts of Built Different on July 13th, 3PM CT! Register here: https://www.linkedin.com/company/89950013/admin/

Season 2 of the Built Different podcast is coming to a close. And to wrap it up appropriately, we invited our guests back to share some of their most memorable moments and impactful learnings from the season, as well as just spend some time together and have a few laughs.  To make room for everyone, we broke the reunion roundtable discussions into two parts. In part one, we hone in on how the construction industry is steadily becoming more tech-forward and how builders can make the most of the changing times.  Part one of our special reunion episode features:  Todd Wyne, chief innovation officer at Rogers-O'Brien  Lauren Williams, application implementation manager at McCarthy Nathan C. Wood, executive director at Construction Progress Coalition Matt Daly, general manager at DroneDeploy Hamzah Shanbari, director of innovation at Haskell  Evan Reilly, sr. tech strategist at Skanska Anthony Hartke, VDC regional manager at Turner Construction Stay tuned for part two and our upcoming season finale on July 13th! 

Tech can act as an accelerant in your company's growth, but it can also amplify your problems instead of solving them.  In episode 12 of the Built Different podcast, DJ Phipps, strategic product consultant for Procore, and Jeff Sample, industry evangelist for Join, discussed the proliferation of tech in construction and how good company culture and efficient processes are crucial for successful adoption.  Procore is a construction software company that is dedicated to helping builders grow their business, protect their people and realize project success. For over 20 years, Procore has driven the construction industry forward by providing innovative solutions for owners, general contractors, specialty contractors and public agencies.  Join is a project delivery platform designed to help all stakeholders make better and faster decisions. Join's software is used by contractors, owners and design teams throughout the construction lifecycle to gain real-time insight into cost data and forecasting, ensuring each project is finished successfully.  This episode was recorded at Procore's 2022 Groundbreak conference.

Are you prioritizing data consistency on your jobsite?  This means more than just capturing data on a regular basis, but rather ensuring everyone has easy access to the same data across your teams.  In episode 11 of Built Different, Anthony Chiaradonna, chief information officer for Consigli Construction, and Nathan C. Wood, founder of CPCoalition, discussed the power of good and consistent data, and why having all of your data in one easy-to-reach place can define the success of your tech tools.  Consigli Construction is a leading builder in Milford, Mass. with an over 100-year history of managing projects across the Northeast and Mid-Atlantic regions. Since the very beginning, Consigli has delivered continued success on complex projects that bring a need for both creativity and innovative thinking.  The Construction Progress Coalition (CPCoalition) connects technology providers and AEC professionals to transform the way we build for the better. They push adoption of new technologies across the construction industry, helping construction experts unlock the power of digital transformation so that they can find success on their jobsites.  This episode was recorded at Procore's 2022 Groundbreak conference.

Are you getting the most out of your technology providers? Are they treating you like a true partner, or just another customer?  While a tech vendor can provide you with the tools, a true technology partner can ensure that you onboard and use those tools successfully.  In episode 10 of the Built Different Podcast, we spoke with Trevor Johnston, director of construction technology and Vladislav Grishaev, construction technology project manager, from XL Construction on the value of tech partnerships. We also learned how XL educates their builders and how relatively new tools like 360 cameras are becoming the industry standard for photo documentation.  For over 30 years, XL Construction has been a leading Northern California builder. Throughout their history, they have been committed to delivering high-quality products utilizing the latest in construction technology to make it happen.This episode was recorded at Procore's 2022 Groundbreak conference.

If end-user incentive isn't part of the equation when you buy tech, then you're buying the wrong tech… Usage will define the failure or success of a tool, no matter how effective it may seem to be – which is why adoption should be your focus before pulling the trigger on a new solution.  In the latest episode of Built Different, we sat down with Mike Rascona, technology director at E-J Electric Installation Co., and Nichole Carter, certified Procore consultant at ICWSTAT, to discuss why not even the flashiest of tools guarantee success and how to get buy-in from tech-aderse builders.  For over a century, E-J Electric Installation Co. has delivered high-quality electrical and lighting installations nationwide to a variety of projects ranging from ad-hoc maintenance calls to projects valued at well over $300 million. Throughout their 123-year history, they've constantly remained adaptive, utilizing the latest in building technology to make their projects a success.  ICWSAT helps its growing list of clients make the most out of Procore technology with the goal of reducing corporate risk, improving project collaboration and increasing client satisfaction. ICWSAT provides ongoing support for their clients' staff ensuring that the company maximizes their technology usage across field and tech teams.  This episode was recorded live at Groundbreak 2022. 

It's easy to get distracted by shiny new tools on the market… But to drive the best outcomes for your project, you need to first focus on the problem – and only then ask yourself whether the answer is a new tool, a better process or both. In the latest episode of Built Different, co-hosts Grant Hagen and Brian Vizarreta sit down with Jesse Jones, Emerging Technologies Manager at Swinerton, and Matt Daly, General Manager at DroneDeploy, to discuss how to innovate from the ground up and why a problem-centric approach will help you find the best solution for your job.  Swinerton is a commercial construction company with over 135 years of experience behind them. Since their founding, Swinerton's rich culture of innovation has helped them become a premiere builder in the U.S.  This episode was recorded live at Groundbreak 2022.

Starting your own reality capture program is easier than you think… From laser scanning on mobile phones to site photos with 360 cameras and aerial mapping with automated drone flights, the future of construction tech and site documentation is already here (and more accessible than ever).  In the latest episode of Built Different, co-hosts Grant Hagen and Brian Vizarreta sit down with Patrick Scarpati, VDC Manager at Harkins Builders, and Ben Stocker, Construction Technologist at Skender, to discuss the current state of reality capture and how the construction industry is rapidly changing as a result.  Harkins Builders is a construction management company that specializes in multifamily, commercial and government building projects across the US.  Skender is a collaboratively driven construction company with over 60 years of experience in building everything from affordable housing to office buildings and science labs.  This episode was recorded live at Groundbreak 2022.

There is no one-size-fits-all solution for every construction project...  But the solution you should ultimately use in the field is the one that makes you and your team better builders.  In the latest episode of Built Different, co-hosts Grant Hagen and Brian Vizarreta sit down with Anthony Hartke, VDC Manager at Turner Construction, to discuss how tech solutions from big projects can be translated to smaller ones, and why every project should use some form of reality capture.  Turner is the largest domestic contractor in the United States, completing $12 billion of construction on 1,500 projects each year.   This episode was recorded live at Groundbreak 2022.

In the fifth episode of Built Different season two, co-hosts Grant Hagen and Brian Vizarreta sit down with Evan Reilly, Senior Tech Strategist at Skanska, a multinational construction company based in Stockholm, Sweden since 1887. Evan gives a detailed look at the impact 360 walkthroughs have had on construction, and delivers tips on how to truly empower early adopters of new tech. This episode was recorded live at Procore Groundbreak 2022.

In the fourth episode of Built Different season two, co-hosts Grant Hagen and Brian Vizarreta sit down with John Andres and Britt Jordan from Andres Construction, a Dallas-based builder serving Dallas, Fort Worth, Austin and Houston since 1991. John (Director of Technology) and Britt (Operations Technology Specialist) give an in-depth look at how Andres Construction ensures they get the most out of their technology tools and how construction tech in general has rapidly evolved over the past 10 years. This episode was recorded live at Procore Groundbreak 2022.

In the third episode of the Built Different podcast season two, co-hosts Grant Hagen and Brian Vizarreta sit down with Ryan Moret and Lauren Williams from McCarthy Building Companies, a leading U.S national construction company. As Director of Applications and Applications Implementation Manager respectively, Ryan and Lauren act as a guiding force for adopting new technologies and processes throughout McCarthy's nationwide construction teams. This episode was recorded live at Procore Groundbreak 2022.

In this second episode of Built Different since it relaunched, co-hosts Grant Hagen and Brian Vizarreta sit down with Hamzah Shanbari and Cutler Knupp from Haskell, a global leader in AEC solutions. As Director of Innovation and Managing Director respectively, Hamzah and Cutler are championing disruptive technologies to reshape the built world via Haskell's Dysruptek innovation venture. This episode was recorded live at Procore Groundbreak 2022. =========== GUEST LINKS: Hamzah Shanbari: https://bit.ly/3wgdHAz Cutler Knupp: https://bit.ly/3ZIP8to Haskell: https://bit.ly/3XMjCcd =========== HOST LINKS: Grant Hagen: https://bit.ly/3CxCvr8 Brian Vizarreta: https://bit.ly/3IyzPxt =========== PODCAST LINKS: Subscribe on: Spotify: https://bit.ly/3IzGJTc Apple Podcasts: https://bit.ly/3IvepRK Google Podcast: http://bit.ly/3GWs5D1 iHeart: https://bit.ly/3Xh4aEJ Amazon: https://bit.ly/3k36H7j

In the first episode of Built Different season 2, co-hosts Grant Hagen and Brian Vizarreta sit down with Todd Wynne and Chris Patton from Rogers-O'Brien, a leading general contractor in Texas. As Chief Innovation Officer and Director of VDC respectively, Todd and Chris are the driving forces behind technology and innovation at Rogers-O'Brien. This episode was recorded live at Procore Groundbreak 2022. =========== GUEST LINKS: Todd Wynne: https://bit.ly/3XiJyvF Chris Patton: https://bit.ly/3VUHv02 Rogers O'Brien: https://bit.ly/3Iz0ABH =========== HOST LINKS: Grant Hagen: https://bit.ly/3CxCvr8 Brian Vizarreta: https://bit.ly/3IyzPxt =========== PODCAST LINKS: Subscribe on: Spotify: https://bit.ly/3IzGJTc Apple Podcasts: https://bit.ly/3IvepRK YouTube: https://bit.ly/3VZPQPK iHeart: https://bit.ly/3Xh4aEJ Amazon: https://bit.ly/3k36H7j

Welcome to Built Different, a podcast about the technology, teams and trendsetters who are changing the way we build. Hosts Grant Hagen and Brian Vizarreta – two of the leading voices in the worlds of reality capture and construction tech – are building a community that is obsessed with questioning the status quo, creating cultures of innovation and equipping everyone with tools to, quite simply, build different. You can expect inspirational yet practical stories from innovators on the frontlines to the leadership teams casting a vision for a better way to build. Built Different relaunches on January 9th.

In this episode of Built Different, Matt & Chris are joined by Gayatri Shahane, Data Scientist at StructionSite. They talk about how StructionSite is leveraging data analytics to measure the impact of the construction industry on the environment and propose solutions for reducing the sector's contribution to climate change and pollution.

In this episode of Built Different, Matt & Chris are joined by Josh Kanner, Founder and CEO at Newmetrix. They discuss how the Newmetrix platform uses AI technology to reduce risk on jobsites, using more than 15 centuries of incident data and millions of construction images to create valuable predictive outcome models for clients.

In this episode of Built Different, Matt is joined by Phillip Lorenzo, Co-Founder and Chief Data Officer at StructionSite and Dan Zito, Chief Technology Officer and Co-Founder at StructionSite. They talk about the startup experience of StructionSite as founders, from identifying a product fit and a sustainable market for growth to navigating the waters of entrepreneurship and building things from the ground up.

John Andres, Operations Technology Manager at ANDRES Construction Services, is a third-generation Texas builder who grew up in construction. What started as an internship pulling nails out of boards has led to a career in discovering and implementing construction tech to make Andres more profitable and efficient. Hear more on John's journey, the story that convinced him to trade the field for the office, and how StructionSite allows Andres to tackle issues and solve problems that arise during construction.

Although construction is majorly on-site, innovations such as BIM, 360° cameras, drones, AI, augmented reality (AR) technology, and virtual reality, among others, have been made to monitor projects remotely through collaborative cloud platforms. These changes have simplified the tracking of work on job sites and enabled ease and speed. To talk more about the use of tech in the construction industry, as well as the automation of manual processes, Matt and Chris are joined by Ben Stocker, Construction Technologist at Skender.