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In a world of exhaustive binary thinking sometimes complexity offers relief. Lauren Hall joins the show to offer her alternative living in 4D she calls "radical moderation". In the latter half of the conversation Saving Elephants host Josh Lewis happily takes Lauren up on her offer to geek out on Edmund Burke. About Lauren Hall Excerpts from laurenkhall.com Lauren Hall is an author and professor helping people combat overwhelm in an age of extremes. Her writing rejects binary and black-and-white thinking to help people lead more balanced lives, build stronger relationships, and restore individual and civic well-being. Hall is a 2024 Pluralism Fellow with the Mercatus Center's Program on Pluralism and Civil Exchange and serves on the Board of Advisors for the Prohuman Foundation. Her Substack and speaking spread the message of radical moderation to new audiences via public writing, speaking, and podcast interviews. Hall has presented her work on radical moderation at conferences including the Heterodox Academy Conference, the State Policy Network Conference, the Mercatus Center's Pluralism Summit, and various political science and related conferences and has a range of talks and podcast interviews available on radical moderation and other topics. In her "real" job, she is a Professor of Political Science and Associate Dean of Academic Affairs at the Rochester Institute of Technology (RIT) and author of the books Family and the Politics of Moderation (Baylor U. Press, 2014) and The Medicalization of Birth and Death (Johns Hopkins U. Press, 2019). Hall has a PhD in Political Science from Northern Illinois University (2007) and a BA in Philosophy from Binghamton University (2002). Introducing Conservative Cagematches One of the most invigorating and interesting aspects of conservative history is how often luminaries on the Right disagreed and fought one another. From Strauss' take down on Burke to Frank Meyer defending his fusionist views from the likes of Brent Bozell and Murray Rothbard to Harry Jaffa fighting just about everyone, the Right has gained vitality and endurance through the process of disagreeing well (and sometimes not so well). In that same spirit, Saving Elephants will soon launch a new venture: Conservative Cagematches. These livestream events will feature experts and acolytes from differing schools of thought on the Right to engage in their differences. We're working now to put together the first panel for an Edmund Burke vs. Leo Strauss debate and can't wait to share the august line-up we have so far. More to come soon!
Political Tribalism with Lauren HallPolitical scientist Lauren Hall joins Michael Liebowitz for a wide-ranging discussion on political tribalism—how identity, loyalty, and moral signalling have displaced judgment, moderation, and principled disagreement in modern politics.Lauren Hall brings a rare combination of scholarly depth and cultural clarity to the conversation. Drawing on the classical liberal tradition and her work on family, moderation, and the moral limits of politics, she examines how tribal thinking corrodes institutions, distorts public debate, and turns politics into a substitute for meaning. The discussion explores why societies fracture when politics becomes a moral identity—and what intellectual resources exist for restoring restraint, pluralism, and seriousness to public life.This episode is a thoughtful examination of ideas over slogans, and persuasion over power—an essential listen for anyone concerned with the health of liberal society.Disclaimer:The views expressed by Lauren Hall are her own, and not necessarily reflective of her employer or anyone with whom she works.About Lauren HallLauren Hall is Professor and Associate Dean of Academic Affairs at the Rochester Institute of Technology, College of Liberal Arts. She is the author of The Medicalization of Birth and Death (Johns Hopkins University Press, 2019) and Family and the Politics of Moderation (Baylor University Press, 2014), and co-editor of a volume on the political philosophy of Chantal Delsol.Her scholarship engages deeply with the classical liberal tradition, including extensive writing on Edmund Burke, Adam Smith, and Montesquieu.About Michael Liebowitz – Host of The Rational EgoistMichael Liebowitz is the host of The Rational Egoist podcast, a philosopher, author, and political activist committed to the principles of reason, individualism, and rational self-interest. Deeply influenced by the philosophy of Ayn Rand, Michael uses his platform to challenge cultural dogma, expose moral contradictions, and defend the values that make human flourishing possible.His journey from a 25-year prison sentence to becoming a respected voice in the libertarian and Objectivist communities is a testament to the transformative power of philosophy. Today, Michael speaks, writes, and debates passionately in defence of individual rights and intellectual clarity.He is the co-author of two compelling books that examine the failures of the correctional system and the redemptive power of moral conviction:Down the Rabbit Hole: How the Culture of Corrections Encourages Crimehttps://www.amazon.com.au/Down-Rabbit-Hole-Corrections-Encourages/dp/197448064XView from a Cage: From Convict to Crusader for Libertyhttps://books2read.com/u/4jN6xjAbout Xenia Ioannou – Producer of The Rational EgoistXenia Ioannou is the producer of The Rational Egoist, responsible for overseeing the publishing, presentation, and promotion of each episode to ensure a consistent standard of clarity, professionalism, and intellectual rigour.She is the CEO of Alexa Real Estate, a property manager and entrepreneur, and serves on the Board of Directors of the Ayn Rand Centre Australia, where she contributes to the organisation's strategic direction and public engagement with ideas centred on reason, individual rights, and human freedom.Xenia also leads Capitalism and Coffee – An Objectivist Meetup in Adelaide, creating a forum for thoughtful discussion on philosophy and its application to everyday life, culture, and current issues.Join Capitalism and Coffee here:https://www.meetup.com/adelaide-ayn-rand-meetup/Follow Xenia's essays on reason, independence, and purposeful living at her Substack:https://substack.com/@xeniaioannou?utm_source=user-menuBecause freedom is worth thinking about — and talking about.#TheRationalEgoist #LaurenHall #PoliticalTribalism #ClassicalLiberalism #Reason #IndividualRights #FreeThought #IntellectualHonesty #MichaelLiebowitz #XeniaIoannou
Lauren Hall looks at the roots of political tribalism, why voters feel trapped between false choices, and how radical moderation offers a way out of constant polarization.
Political scientist and author Lauren Hall recently wrote that political parties will not be the salvation that many Americans seek. Instead, she prescribes a kind of coalition against authoritarianism — one that might unite many people who otherwise disagree on a lot of issues. Hall joins us this hour to talk about how to accomplish that, and how to recognize the forces that might prevent such a coalition from forming. In studio:Lauren Hall, Ph.D., professor of political science and associate dean at RIT, author, and co-host of the "We Made this Political" podcast---Connections is supported by listeners like you. Head to our donation page to become a WXXI member today, support the show, and help us close the gap created by the rescission of federal funding.---Connections airs every weekday from noon-2 p.m. Join the conversation with questions or comments by phone at 1-844-295-TALK (8255) or 585-263-9994, email, Facebook or Twitter. Connections is also livestreamed on the WXXI News YouTube channel each day. You can watch live or access previous episodes here.---Do you have a story that needs to be shared? Pitch your story to Connections.
This week on the show we welcome back Lauren Hall to fill us in on all of the recent happenings in the world of cycling. Lauren was on the ground at the Tour de France Femmes avec Zwift with the USA Cycling Foundation, and we get all of the inside scoop on what her time was like there. She then headed straight to Leadville to be part of the commentary team and the Leadville Trail 100 Mountain Bike race. Leadville 2025 was an epic day, and the three discuss all of the highlights of the day, as well as a few controversial topics. They then take a dive into the Grand Prix standings post Leadville, and how the standings will play into the dynamics for the rest of the season.Learn More and Register for our Feisty 40+ Strong Retreat: https://feisty.co/events/feisty-40-strong-retreat/ Sign Up for our 2025-2026 Winter Training for Cyclists Program: https://feisty.co/winter-training-for-cyclists/ Register for our 2026 Gravel Camp and Bike Mechanic School: https://feisty.co/events/gravel-camp-x-bike-mechanic-school/ Follow us on Instagram:@feistycycling @feisty_media Girls Gone Gravel Website:https://www.girlsgonegravel.com/ Support our Partners:Previnex: Get 15% off your first order with code GIRLSGONEGRAVEL at https://www.previnex.com/
Lauren Hall is with the Joplin Chamber of Commerce. She joined NewsTalk KZRG to discuss the Joplin Chamber of Commerce's upcoming Building Opportunities for Leadership Development (BOLD) Women's Summit. Join Ted, Steve, and Lucas for the KZRG Morning Newswatch!
This week we welcome back Lauren Hall and Meredith Miller to take a deep dive into the last two races of the Life Time Grand Prix, LIttle Sugar MTB and Big Sugar Gravel. Lauren and Meredith are both commentators for Life Time's love coverage of the series, and have had a front row seat to watch all of the amazing racing this season. They chat about how the season has unfolded so far, as well as how the addition of Little Sugar to the series may change the dynamic this year. With the top three women in the series in close contention, and two races left, the last couple weeks of the season are sure to be exciting!Find the Winter Training for Cyclists program at https://feisty.co/winter-training-for-cyclists/Learn More and Register for our Feisty 40+ Strong Retreat: https://www.womensperformance.com/strongretreat Follow us on Instagram:@girlsgonegravel @feisty_media Girls Gone Gravel Website:https://www.girlsgonegravel.com/ Support our Partners:Previnex: Get 15% off your first order with code GIRLSGONEGRAVEL at https://www.previnex.com/ Feisty's Lift Heavy Guide: Get your guide to lifting heavy plus a 4-week training plan at https://www.womensperformance.com/lift-heavy
The signing window has closed and Manchester Thunder Head Coach – Karen Greig – has secured her 10 athletes for the Netball Super League 2026. Presenter and commentator Lindsey Chapman get's the lowdown, not only on the 10 names on the list, but also on how Greig secured the signatures as well as her aspirations for how the team will work in the new season. With reflections right across the squad Karen is excited about the combinations at her fingertips for 2026. Using learnings from last season, she can't wait to get going with her new look side. Lindsey is then joined by Fox Netball Commentator and Netball legend Sue Gaudion. The Australian presenter and outgoing General Manager of West Coast Fever, offers brilliant insight on Thunder's new shooting circle which includes two players she's been commentating on down-under: Eleanor Cardwell and Sophie Fawns. With laser focus analysis Sue explains why she feels Thunder's attacking end will be so dangerous in season 2026. Finally, Lindsey gets into some serious FANalysis (fan-analysis) with three brilliant Thunder fans from Runcorn Netball Club – Laura Dixon, Jenny Tierney and Lauren Hall. They discuss the big questions; how can Thunder improve on last year's performance in order to reach finals and… has Karen ultimately signed the right 10? Don't forget to get your tickets for Manchester Thunder Coaching Conference on Saturday 4th October – info and tickets here: https://www.manchesterthunder.co.uk/events/netball-coaching-conference-2025/ If you would like to get in touch with the podcast or be part of FANalysis, we'd love to hear from you: Email: hello@a-linedmedia.co.uk Instagram: @lindseychapmanpresenter
This week on the show we welcome back Lauren Hall to fill us in on all of the recent happenings in the world of cycling. Lauren was on the ground at the Tour de France Femmes avec Zwift with the USA Cycling Foundation, and we get all of the inside scoop on what her time was like there. She then headed straight to Leadville to be part of the commentary team and the Leadville Trail 100 Mountain Bike race. Leadville 2025 was an epic day, and the three discuss all of the highlights of the day, as well as a few controversial topics. They then take a dive into the Grand Prix standings post Leadville, and how the standings will play into the dynamics for the rest of the season.Register for the Feisty 4-Week STRONG Kickstarter: https://learning.feisty.co/course/strong-cohort Follow us on Instagram:@girlsgonegravel @feisty_media Girls Gone Gravel Website:https://www.girlsgonegravel.com/ Feisty Media Website:https://livefeisty.com/ Support our Partners:Previnex: Get 15% off your first order with code GIRLSGONEGRAVEL at https://www.previnex.com/ Feisty's Lift Heavy Guide: Get your guide to lifting heavy plus a 4-week training plan at https://www.womensperformance.com/lift-heavy
Join us this episode with Lauren Hall to chat about DISH's commitment to providing high quality permanent housing to San Franciscans who suffer from serious health issues. According to the National Low Income Housing Coalition, theres is a nationwide shortage of affordable housing and permanent supportive housing. We explore the political attacks on the Housing First framework that stigmatizes drug use and users and call for the prioritization of treatment before housing. "It is hard to make positive change in your life if you don't have a home," Support the show
The B-List ballad royale continues at the Headbangers Vault as new champion Big Sexy takes on B1Bomb in a 1980's rock battle with special guest judges Freddie & Lauren Hall.
UNBOUND Gravel is right around the corner, and here at Girls Gone Gravel we could not be more excited! Our crew is making their way to Emporia, but before the race kicks off we are joined by cycling legend Lauren Hall, and Life Time's VP of Marketing Michelle Duffy Smith to take a deep dive into all things UNBOUND. This year's 200 mile race will feature nearly 100 elite female racers, so you can be sure there will be no shortage of excitement on race day. 2025 will mark the first year that the race will feature a prize purse for all elite racers, and the 200 mile race will also see the champions from the past 5 years on the start line, so competition will be fierce. Michelle and Lauren talk through the stacked women's field, and try to determine what tactics may play out across the 200 miles of racing - including their best predictions of when LDC will take a flyer. We also get everyone's picks for their top 5 finishers. Who do you think will take the top step?Michelle and Lauren will be hosting a live broadcast covering the 200 mile race. The broadcast will kickoff at 10am central time on the Life Time Grand Prix Youtube channel. Prior to 10am coverage will be on the Life Time Grand Prix Instagram page @lifetimegrandprix, which will also be the place to catch race updates throughout the day.Follow us on Instagram:@girlsgonegravel @feisty_media Girls Gone Gravel Website:https://www.girlsgonegravel.com/ Feisty Media Website:https://livefeisty.com/ Support our Partners:Previnex: Get 15% off your first order with code GIRLSGONEGRAVEL at https://www.previnex.com/ Feisty's Lift Heavy Guide: Get your guide to lifting heavy plus a 4-week training plan at https://www.womensperformance.com/lift-heavy
For the video of this episode, go to https://youtu.be/ftqRVeBptqs. What is Radical Moderation? And how can that idea help heal the hyper-polarization that characterizes not only politics but family relationships these days? Our guest in this episode, Professor Lauren Hall, tells us about her work and how she came to it. As Judy mentions early in the interview, I (Bruce) have called myself a radical moderate for decades. (“What do we want? Moderation! When do we want it? When it's appropriate!”) Lauren's website is https://www.laurenkhall.com/. Her Substack is “The Radical Moderate's Guide to Life.” Do you have ideas for topics or guests for our podcast? Go to https://ctin7.com and send us a message. And you can also sign up for Dr. Chalmer's newsletter right from our homepage. Our sponsor is The Blue Tent: Erotic Tales from the Bible by Laria Zylber. Find out more at https://lariazylber.com. Bruce's latest book, Betrayal and Forgiveness: How to Navigate the Turmoil and Learn to Trust Again is now available! More information at https://brucechalmer.com/betrayal-and-forgiveness/. And here's the link to leave a review: https://www.amazon.com/review/create-review?&asin=B0D4B6KL79
How do students at Veritas Scholars Academy build relationships and foster an uplifting online environment?VSA student Lauren Hall joins us to share her experiences in student leadership, including working with the Student Moderators and leading the Student Mentors – a group of Juniors and Seniors who give godly counsel, tech help, encouragement, and more to their peers.If you have ever wondered what kind of environment students enter into at Veritas Scholars Academy and what sort of people students are encouraged to become, you won't want to miss a minute of this insightful episode! We'll learn how students build community, employ positive peer pressure, help each other excel, and enter into relationships that will last a lifetime.
The boys talk about how much they don't fit in anywhere.
Musical Instruments made out of veggies?
The boys talk about the nomination with Lauren Hall
In the first hour of "Connections with Evan Dawson" on 3/12/25, political scientist Lauren Hall joins us to share her views on the need for conservatism and the value of principled conservatism.
The boys talk Valentine's Day stuff w/ Lauren Hall
Send Wilk a text with your feedback!Radical Moderation: Breaking Free from Binary ThinkingMy guest this week is Lauren Hall, a professor of political science, an author, and a thought leader whose work challenges the rigid, binary ways we often think about personal, social, and political issues. She's written extensively on the medicalization of birth and death, the politics of family, and the crucial need for what she calls radical moderation—a framework that moves beyond “us versus them” thinking and embraces the full complexity of human experience.Lauren's approach introduces a four-dimensional way of understanding our world—one that demands humility, curiosity, and a recognition that real solutions exist beyond the false choices we're so often given. In a time when civil discourse feels like a lost art, her work reminds us of the power of pluralism, gratitude, and the willingness to engage with perspectives outside of our own echo chambers.Beyond her academic work, Lauren is yet another of my fellow advisors for the ProHuman Foundation, a group committed to fostering open and honest conversations about the issues that shape our lives. In this episode, we'll explore the dangers of negativity bias, the importance of lived experience, and how practicing radical moderation can help us bridge the divides that seem to grow wider every day.TakeawaysRadical moderation challenges binary thinking in society.Understanding different dimensions of experience is crucial.Lived experiences shape our perspectives and judgments.Negativity bias affects how we perceive the world.Gratitude can enhance our understanding of others.Trade-offs are inherent in every decision we make.Complexity in social issues requires humility and curiosity.Pluralism acknowledges the diversity of human experiences.Engaging in civil discourse can bridge divides.We share a common humanity despite our differences.Learn more about and connect with Lauren K. Hall by checking out the full show notes for this episode at DerateTheHate.com.What have you done today to make your life a better life? What have you done today to make the world a better place? The world is a better place if we are better people. That begins with each of us as individuals. Be kind to one another. Be grateful for everything you've got. Make each and every day the day that you want it to be! Please follow The Derate The Hate podcast on: Facebook, Instagram, Twitter(X) , YouTube Subscribe to us wherever you enjoy your audio or directly from our site. Please leave us a rating and feedback on Apple podcasts or other platforms. Not on social media? You can share your thoughts or request Wilk for a speaking engagement on our site's contact page: DerateTheHate.com/Contact If you would like to support the show, you're welcome to DONATE or shop Amazon by going through our Support Us page and I'll earn through qualifying purchases at no extra cost to you. I look forward to hearing from you!
The boys talk about Alligators on the run with Lauren Hall.
The boys and Lauren Hall talk about Morgan's Baby Mama Drama
The boys talk with Lauren Hall about Pizza Hut's new wine.
Lauren Hall talks about her Christmas decor in her house.
Lauren Hall talks about her Christmas decor in her house.
The boys talk about ghosting people in their early days of dating.
The boys talk with Lauren Hall about the influx of Armadillo sightings.
The boys talk with Lauren Hall about the influx of Armadillo sightings.
Lauren Hall defends her love of all things autumnal to the boys.
The boys discuss with Lauren Hall the opening of a new Trader Joe's in Mt. Pleasant.
Lauren Hall talks about her trip to New Orleans to see Taylor Swift.
The boys talk with Lauren Hall about stress.
Lauren Hall defends her Peppermint Mocha drink choice.
The boys talk about ghosting people in their early days of dating.
The boys talk about Girl Brunch with Lauren Hall.
The boys talk with Lauren Hall about the Bachelorette Men.
Matt speaks with Lauren Hall about "radical moderation," a framework that encourages moving beyond binary thinking in social and political issues. Hall explains her framework, which helps individuals navigate complex situations by fostering curiosity, empathy, and creative thinking. They also discuss the roles of community, parenting, and social psychology in moderating polarized views. Episode Notes: "Radical Moderation" by Lauren Hall Find more at: https://radicalmoderatesguide.substack.com "The Way Out: How to Overcome Toxic Polarization" by Peter T. Coleman Link: https://www.amazon.ca/Way-Out-Overcome-Toxic-Polarization/dp/0231195718 "High Conflict: Why We Get Trapped and How We Get Out" by Amanda Ripley Link: https://www.amazon.ca/High-Conflict-Trapped-How-Out/dp/1982128575 "Elements of Justice" by David Schmidtz Link: https://www.amazon.ca/Elements-Justice-David-Schmidtz/dp/0521539360 "Living Together: Essays on Justice, Pluralism, and Community" by David Schmidtz Link: https://www.amazon.ca/Living-Together-Essays-Justice-Pluralism/dp/0190233731 "The Polarization Detox Challenge" by Starts With Us Explore more at: https://startswith.us/polarization-detox "The Science of Family: The Politics of Moderation in Family Policies" by Lauren Hall Link: https://www.amazon.ca/Science-Family-Politics-Moderation-Policies/dp/0367523267 Thanks to our patrons including: Amy Willis, Kris Rondolo, and Christopher McDonald. To become a patron, go to patreon.com/curioustask
The last race of the 2024 Life Time Grand Prix is officially in the books, and we have our last wrap up show of the season this week! Kathryn and Kristi were on the ground in Bentonville for Big Sugar and they spoke with athletes, artists, and industry insiders, including a live wrap up with Lauren Hall and Janel Spilker. Follow us on Instagram:@girlsgonegravel @feisty_media Girls Gone Gravel Website:https://www.girlsgonegravel.com/ Feisty Media Website:https://livefeisty.com/ Support our Partners:Use the code gggfierce for 30% off at fiercehazel.com Tifosi: Use the code FM20! to get 20% off your order at tifosioptics.com To shop all LTH Nutritional Supplements, head to shop.lifetime.life/nutrition and use code FEISTY at checkout to get 20% off your order! Feisty's Lift Heavy Guide: Get your guide to lifting heavy plus a 4-week training plan at https://www.womensperformance.com/lift-heavy
The boys talk with Lauren Hall about her Labor Day food choices.
The boys talk with Lauren Hall about the NFL players clothing line.
It's almost time for the final race of the Life Time Grand Prix for 2024. Bug Sugar is just a few days away, and this week we welcome back Lauren Hall and Janel Spilker to get the pre-race scoop, including a course preview, and the group's podium picks. The standings for the top 10 in the overall for the Life Time Grand Prix are about as tight as they get, and Big Sugar is anyone's race. Janel and Lauren give us a breakdown of who can contend for the top spots, and how that will play into the race at Big Sugar.Follow us on Instagram:@girlsgonegravel @feisty_media Girls Gone Gravel Website:https://www.girlsgonegravel.com/ Feisty Media Website:https://livefeisty.com/ Support our Partners:Use the code gggfierce for 30% off at fiercehazel.com Tifosi: Use the code FM20! to get 20% off your order at tifosioptics.com To shop all LTH Nutritional Supplements, head to shop.lifetime.life/nutrition and use code FEISTY at checkout to get 20% off your order! Feisty's Lift Heavy Guide: Get your guide to lifting heavy plus a 4-week training plan at https://www.womensperformance.com/lift-heavy
The boys discuss the Bachelorette with Lauren Hall.
The boys discuss the Bachelorette with Lauren Hall.
The boys discuss Alicia Silverstone's diagnosis with Lauren Hall.
The boys discuss The Bachelorette & Murrells Inlet with Lauren Hall.
The boys discuss Alicia Silverstone with Lauren Hall.
Honkytonk Saloon broadcast with Lauren Hall.
It is almost time for Unbound Gravel 2024! On this episode of the show, Kathryn and Kristi are joined by Life Time Grand Prix commentators Janel Spilker and Lauren Hall to dive into all of their race-day predictions. The course is heading north this year, and Kristi gives us her insider's scoop on what riders can expect from the infamous North Route, as well as a few changes to the start procedures for 2024. Everyone also weighs in on their podium predictions, as well as a few “heart picks” for a few riders who could shake things up on race day. Follow along for all the action @unboundgravel and @lifetimegrandprixFollow us on Instagram:@girlsgonegravel @feisty_media Girls Gone Gravel Website:https://www.girlsgonegravel.com/ Feisty Media Website:https://livefeisty.com/ Support our Partners:TransRockies Gravel Royale: Ante up and use code GGG24GR$100 to save $100 off race entry Buycycle: save up to $100 on your purchase by entering code GIRLSGONEGRAVEL at buycycle.com Precision Fuel & Hydration: Use this link to get 15% off your first order https://visit.pfandh.com/girlsgonegravel Tifosi: Use the code FM20 to get 20% off your order at tifosioptics.com
Jeff discusses the evolution of the U.S. healthcare system since the late 19th Century with Dr. Lauren Hall of the Rochester Institute of Technology. At issue are the surprising, and disheartening, unintended consequences of changes in technology and policy that have yielded the high-cost, low-efficiency and in some ways even lower-effectiveness “system” Americans face today. […]
As the What Next team catches its breath at the end of summer, we're revisiting some of the biggest stories of the year. This story originally ran on March 30. What Next will resume regular programming next week. Two weeks after Roe v. Wade was overturned, Lauren Hall found out the baby she was carrying had a fatal condition: her head and skull weren't properly developing. Texas's three overlapping bans on abortion forced her to fly to Washington to terminate the unviable pregnancy. With the Center for Reproductive Rights, she became one of thirteen plaintiffs suing the state, so no one else will have to go through what she did. Recently, a district court judge decided in their favor, but the state of Texas immediately appealed, leaving pregnant Texans in limbo until the appeals process finishes. Guest: Lauren Hall, plaintiff suing the state of Texas over its abortion bans. If you enjoy this show, please consider signing up for Slate Plus. Slate Plus members get benefits like zero ads on any Slate podcast, bonus episodes of shows like Slow Burn and Amicus—and you'll be supporting the work we do here on What Next. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to help support our work. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices