Talkin‘ Politics & Religion Without Killin‘ Each Other

In this inspiring episode, host Corey Nathan welcomes Bishop Mary D. Glasspool, a pioneering leader in the Episcopal Church and the first openly lesbian woman to be consecrated as a bishop in the Anglican Communion. Since 2016, she has served as Assistant Bishop in the Episcopal Diocese of New York. Bishop Mary shares her personal journey of faith, identity, leadership, and inclusion, offering insights into navigating the intersections of religion, politics, and justice. What We Discuss: Bishop Mary's journey as a trailblazer in the Episcopal Church How her faith and identity evolved in tandem What the Philadelphia 11 meant to her and the church Navigating hard conversations across deep differences What gives her hope for the future of the church and the world Episode Highlights: 01:00 – Corey introduces Bishop Mary and her groundbreaking role 06:00 – Growing up in a multigenerational Episcopal family 17:00 – The impact of the Philadelphia 11 and her call to ministry 27:00 – Coming out and confronting institutional theology 34:00 – Stories of ministry, mentorship, and pioneering women 43:00 – Navigating political division in local churches 50:00 – Her retirement plans and what's next 1:02:00 – On non-binary thinking, listening deeply, and collaboration Featured Quotes: “We can do this. It is possible to talk politics and religion without killing each other.” “The best way to be ecumenical is to be deeply rooted and grounded in your own faith.” “Diversity is a strength… It can help us grow and become stronger as human beings.” “We need to allow for silence. We need to listen.” Resources Mentioned: The Philadelphia Eleven Documentary: https://www.philadelphiaelevenfilm.com The Episcopal Church: https://www.episcopalchurch.org

In this episode, host Corey Nathan is joined by Pastor David Hegg, Senior Pastor at Grace Baptist Church in Santa Clarita, CA. With decades of experience, a master's in theology, and a doctorate in preaching, Pastor Hegg shares his unique journey into ministry, his thoughts on biblical teaching, and how Christians can faithfully navigate today's cultural and political landscape. What We Discuss: How Pastor Hegg's early struggles shaped his path in ministry The importance of preaching Scripture as it was originally written A biblical approach to Christian leadership and cultural engagement Insights into the role of conscience in political decision-making Why “reasoned humility” is essential for healthy public discourse Episode Highlights: 00:04:00 – From mowing the church lawn to pastoring a large congregation 00:10:00 – Disputes over doctrine: seminary conflict and church governance 00:19:00 – Faith vs. science: Genesis, creationism, and biblical authority 00:25:00 – Why many pastors feel exhausted, and how to sustain ministry 00:30:00 – Handling political pressure and cultural division during COVID 00:36:00 – Engaging LGBTQ+ individuals with truth and grace 00:43:00 – What it means to “withdraw” from politics without disengaging 00:54:00 – Preview of Pastor Hegg's upcoming books and a theological novel Featured Quotes: “What God has for us is always best for us.” – Pastor David Hegg “We must hold our beliefs with reasoned humility.” “You can't come to any text without a framework, but you must be willing to reform that framework based on Scripture.” “We don't throw darts—we meet people where they are and walk with them.” Resources Mentioned: Grace Baptist Church: gracebaptist.org The Obedience Option: www.amazon.com/s?k=The+Obedience+Option+David+Hegg The Well: https://www.amazon.com/s?k=The+Well+David+Hegg Mind & Cosmos by Thomas Nagel: www.goodreads.com/book/show/13690432-mind-cosmos

“You've got to be willing to kick your sources right in the balls if necessary, even if they're your friends.” Julie Mason came up the ranks at regional newspapers before becoming a White House reporter. On her SiriusXM radio show, you can tell how much she loves and champions good reporters and reveres excellent journalism. And that's one of the many reasons we love Julie Mason! So we're re-booting our most recent conversation with Julie from earlier this year...   In this episode, host Corey Nathan reconnects with Julie Mason, renowned journalist and host of The Julie Mason Show on SiriusXM's POTUS channel. Julie brings decades of experience in journalism, spanning local, state, and national politics, and shares her sharp insights on the evolving media landscape, political discourse, and the state of journalism today. What We Discuss: The evolving role of journalists in a polarized media environment. How to navigate news consumption and discern credible sources. Insights into the challenges of covering politicians and divisive topics. The growing intersection between social media platforms and journalism. Why re-engaging with quality news content is critical to democracy. Mike Pence: The King of Hilarity... Wait. WHAT?!?! No, really Episode Highlights: [00:00:00] – Corey welcomes Julie back to the podcast after four years and reflects on her journey in journalism, from print reporting to hosting her SiriusXM show. [00:09:00] – Julie explains how she transitioned from print to radio and why she took the leap into the unfamiliar world of broadcasting. [00:20:00] – The challenges of modern journalism: Julie addresses disinformation, lies in politics, and why reporters must focus on stories that truly impact people's lives. [00:27:00] – A discussion on how journalism is evolving to meet the needs of a fatigued audience, from long-form storytelling to true crime podcasts. [00:40:00] – Julie emphasizes the importance of journalists remaining stoic and professional, especially during major historical events like January 6th. [00:47:00] – Corey and Julie explore ways to have constructive conversations with people across ideological divides, drawing inspiration from bipartisan efforts in Congress. [00:55:00] – Julie's call to action: Why supporting quality journalism through subscriptions and active engagement matters more than ever. Featured Quotes: “You've got to be willing to kick your sources right in the balls if necessary, even if they're your friends.” “Politician lied is not really the story—focus on what impacts people's lives.” “To have meaningful conversations, you have to put down your weapons and see the humanity in the other person.” Resources Mentioned: The Julie Mason Show on SiriusXM's POTUS Channel – www.siriusxm.com/channels/potus-politics  Substack Recommendations: The Great Transformation with Mike Madrid Tom LoBianco's 24Sight Oliver Darcy's Substack The Contrarian by Jennifer Rubin and Laurence Tribe Dirty John Podcast – Listen Here

A lot's happened already this year. So it's worth re-setting this conversation with friend of the pod, Wajahat Ali, from earlier this year...   When there's such chaos amd divisiveness all around us, what can we do to cultivate a sense of hope and humanity?   In this episode, we welcome back Wajahat Ali, celebrated writer, editor of The Left Hook Substack, co-host of Democracy-ish Podcast, and author. Known for his humor and insight, Waj brings his unique perspective as a father, storyteller, and political commentator to discuss navigating the tumultuous political and social landscape of 2025. Together, Corey and Wajahat dive deep into themes of decency, empathy, and how to cultivate hope amid chaos. Episode Highlights: [00:02:00] Wajahat muses about earning a "Five Timer Club" t-shirt. [00:04:00] Discussion on the California wildfires and the politicization of natural disasters. [00:06:00] Wajahat analyzes the blame game targeting DEI initiatives in crisis situations. [00:09:00] Corey and Wajahat explore the role of empathy and decency in politics. [00:11:00] Wajahat reflects on hope during his daughter's cancer journey and how that translates to political resilience. [00:16:00] Star Wars analogy: How everyday people (the "Ewoks") can fight against authoritarianism. [00:22:00] A candid discussion on America's historical resistance to progress and how that impacts the current political climate. [00:35:00] The importance of rest and joy in sustaining activism and engagement. [00:54:00] Wajahat's advice on engaging with people across ideological divides—when to plant seeds of change and when to walk away. Featured Quotes: "Hope is optimism with action. It's believing in a better story but doing your part to get there." – Wajahat Ali "You can't save everyone. The caravan must move forward, but the doors remain open." – Wajahat Ali "We could have been so much better, and we chose this." – Wajahat Ali "One conversation with one person can create a ripple effect. Even a one-degree shift can matter." – Corey Nathan   How to find Waj: The Left Hook | https://thelefthook.substack.com/ Democracy-ish | https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/democracy-ish/id1473376303 Bluesky | https://bsky.app/profile/wajali.bsky.social

In this episode, we welcome back Dr. Alexander Vindman—retired U.S. Army Lieutenant Colonel and former Director for European Affairs on the White House National Security Council. Known for his key role in the first Trump impeachment and his deep expertise in Eastern European affairs, Vindman returns to discuss his latest book, The Folly of Realism: How the West Deceived Itself About Russia and Betrayed Ukraine. The conversation dives into the geopolitical stakes of the ongoing war in Ukraine, U.S. foreign policy across administrations, and the importance of civic responsibility in the face of authoritarianism. What We Discuss: Why U.S. administrations consistently misunderstood Russia and Ukraine. The concept of “Neo-Idealism” and its value in foreign policy. How family history and personal experience shaped Vindman's worldview. The political realities facing Ukraine and the U.S. in a post-Trump world. The role of values in sustaining democratic institutions. Episode Highlights: [00:01:00] Introduction to Alexander Vindman and his background. [00:04:30] Alex's twin brother Eugene Vindman's transition to Congress and bipartisan cooperation. [00:17:00] Reconnecting with family in Ukraine and the impact of history. [00:25:00] The thousand-year struggle for Ukrainian sovereignty. [00:38:00] Why equating Russia with Cold War power is misguided. [00:44:30] Vindman defines “Neo-Idealism” and its global implications. [01:00:00] The danger of Trumpism and dismantling of democratic norms. [01:07:00] How we can engage across political and cultural divides. Featured Quotes: “Russia, absent Ukraine, ceases to be an empire. With Ukraine, it becomes one.” – Alexander Vindman “Neo-Idealism is about tethering our interests to our values and committing to them over the long term.” – Alexander Vindman “We succumbed to misplaced hopes and fears. We thought if we treated Russia as a partner, it would behave like one.” – Alexander Vindman “You can find common ground by talking about family. That's where our shared concerns lie.” – Alexander Vindman Resources Mentioned: The Folly of Realism – www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/alexander-vindman/the-folly-of-realism/9781541705043 Alexander Vindman's Substack – www.avindman.com Alexander Vindman on Bluesky - @avindman.bsky.social

In this episode, host Corey Nathan reflects on a pivotal shift in direction for the podcast. The solo episodes of “Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other” will be moving toward a more practical focus—answering the question of how we engage in tough conversations about politics and religion in more productive, neighborly, human ways. Drawing from years of interviews, personal experiences, and lively social media debates, Corey opens up about the challenges and tools needed to bridge our deepest divides. What's Discussed: Why Corey is focusing more on how we talk about politics and religion, not just what we talk about The role of "epistemic bubbles" and "informational universes" in shaping our perspectives Tools and strategies for engaging across political and religious differences How grace, curiosity, and relationship-building can change the tone of even the toughest conversations Real-life examples from Corey's online and offline experiences—including some Facebook showdowns! Episode Highlights: [00:02:00] Corey announces a new focus on practical tools for civil dialogue [00:06:00] The concept of “epistemic ecosystems” and how they isolate us [00:10:00] Why you can't “convert” someone in one conversation—but you can plant seeds [00:13:00] Mike Madrid: “Effective communication across bubbles requires more than simply correcting facts...” [00:17:00] A quote from the Constitution sparks a wild Facebook debate [00:24:00] From “literate idiots” to neighbors with nuance—Corey breaks down who shows up online [00:32:00] How to actively listen, lead with curiosity, and find the serious point in a noisy thread [00:45:00] Tips on when to pick your spot, take it offline, or simply walk away Featured Quotes: “Sometimes you can't teach someone a new language—but you can give them a few new words.” “Give yourself grace. You're going to mess it up. But keep showing up.” “Effective communication across bubbles requires more than simply correcting facts. It demands engaging underlying values and concerns.” Resources Mentioned: Mike Madrid's Substack - The Great Transformation: greattransformation.substack.com Tangle News: www.readtangle.com Ground News: ground.news Village SquareCast: podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/village-squarecast/id1520059234

In this episode, host Corey Nathan speaks with Rev. Dr. Serene Jones, President of Union Theological Seminary. As the first woman to lead the historic 180-year-old institution, Dr. Jones brings deep insight to the intersection of theology, justice, and public life. Together, they explore how Christian faith can guide us through trauma, division, and democracy's challenges, while sharing stories of growing up in faith and creating space for conversations across political and religious divides. What We Discuss: How Serene Jones' upbringing shaped her theological lens What theology has to do with democracy and justice Why questions are a sign of faith, not doubt The importance of building bridges, even when no one's building from the other side How seminaries are evolving to meet the needs of a changing world Episode Highlights: [00:03:00] A unique faith upbringing in the Disciples of Christ tradition [00:07:00] Church as a place of learning about democracy, justice, and real life [00:13:00] The message of Micah 4 and how it resonates with global conflict today [00:27:00] The role of theology in shaping public ethics and spiritual resilience [00:39:00] Navigating campus dialogue during protests and unrest [00:44:00] Three calls for progressive communities in red states [00:51:00] Addressing collective and generational trauma through faith [00:53:00] Asking: What would Jesus do—really? Featured Quotes: “Faith that's not equipped to deal with the big questions of life is not a faith worth its weight.” “If we are not building bridges, there's no one there to catch people when they fall.” “Theology is not just an abstraction. It's an action. It's a way of living in the world.” “The crisis in our nation is a massive spiritual crisis—for all of us.” Resources Mentioned: Union Theological Seminary – utsnyc.edu Call It Grace by Serene Jones – www.penguinrandomhouse.com/authors/2146640/serene-jones/

In this episode, host Corey Nathan reconnects with Lisa Willey Knierim—Mayor of Cranbury Township, NJ, President of 1880 Hospitality, and high school pal. Lisa shares powerful insights into the realities of small-town governance, the impact of state housing mandates, and the ripple effects of national political discourse. From boardrooms to township meetings, she brings candor, civility, and a healthy dose of humor to the conversation. What We Discuss: How national political polarization affects small-town governments. What the Mount Laurel Doctrine means for affordable housing in NJ. The value of listening and transparency in political leadership. How Six Sigma strategies works in business—and public service. Real-world consequences of recent U.S. tariff policy from a global trade professional. Episode Highlights: [00:03:00] The structure of Cranbury's local government and Lisa's role as mayor [00:07:00] Breaking down the affordable housing mandate and land challenges [00:14:00] How partisan behavior has filtered into local meetings [00:24:00] Six Sigma in practice: business problem-solving that works [00:27:00] Why abrupt tariff policy changes hurt American businesses [00:34:00] Lisa's close election win and continued work with her predecessor [00:45:00] Remembering the best of our communities post-pandemic [00:53:00] Lisa's campaign to bring back civility in politics Featured Quotes: “At the local level, I wish I didn't even have to declare my party. It feels absolutely irrelevant.” – Lisa Willey Knierim “You've got to create a vanilla ice cream environment—not too spicy. Be compassionate, be practical, be human.” “National-level problems shouldn't be light-switch decisions.” “It's not that I can't solve the problem. But I can listen. That's halfway there.” Resources Mentioned: Six Sigma Black Belt Certification: asq.org/cert/six-sigma-black-belt Cranbury Township Info: www.cranburytownship.org/ Lisa Willey Knierim Campaign Page: www.facebook.com/LisaKnierimTC22

In this episode, Corey Nathan sits down with Kate Carney, Deputy Director at More in Common. Kate shares her fascinating journey—from working in Congress to boating 6,000 miles around the U.S.—and how those experiences shape her work today. The conversation centers on More in Common's new report, The Connection Opportunity, and explores how we can foster meaningful relationships across political, racial, religious, and socioeconomic divides. What's Discussed: Why social connection is critical to healthy democracy. Surprising data on Americans' openness to diverse perspectives. How psychological factors like intergroup anxiety impact connection. Kate's transformative journey completing the Great American Loop. Real-world solutions for bridging divides in your own community. Episode Highlights: 02:00 – Kate's 6,000-mile boat journey and what it taught her about America. 10:00 – The Connection Opportunity: How More in Common is reframing social cohesion. 21:00 – Why politics remains the most difficult line of difference to cross. 25:00 – The power of community norms and intergroup anxiety. 32:00 – Revisiting the "Hidden Tribes" report and what's changed since its release. 41:00 – The seven levers of change for increasing social connection. 48:00 – How cities like Kansas City, Houston and Pittsburgh are fostering community dialogue. 54:00 – Personal agency and why democracy starts with you. Featured Quotes: “We are inherently diverse. To build strong communities, we have to be intentional about connecting across our differences.” — Kate Carney “The more people connect across difference, the more they want to—it's a cascade.” — Kate Carney “There's an overwhelming desire to have these conversations. It's the fortress of assumptions that gets in our way.” — Corey Nathan Resources Mentioned: More in Common: www.moreincommonus.com The Connection Opportunity Report: moreincommonus.com/publication/the-connection-opportunity

In this episode, host Corey Nathan reflects on where we stand as a country several months into the current administration. With candor and conviction, Corey explores the themes of democracy, decency, and due process. Drawing from scripture, the Constitution, and commentary by thought leaders like David Brooks and Mike Madrid, this episode delivers a compelling, timely snapshot of America's civic health—and what's at stake moving forward. What's Discussed: Why the First, Fifth, and Fourteenth Amendments are more important than ever The consequences of immigration policies that bypass due process How the economy (including tariffs and inflation) is impacting voters What swayed key constituencies in the 2024 election What to watch for heading into 2026 and 2028 Episode Highlights: [00:02:00] Framing the episode: A “temperature check” on America [00:05:00] The First Amendment under threat [00:07:00] Due process and the constitutional rights of all persons [00:14:00] What really moved voters in 2024 (spoiler: price of eggs + immigration) [00:17:00] A powerful quote from David Brooks on civilizational foundations [00:22:00] Legal attacks and a defense of constitutional law [00:29:00] Polling data showing shifts in public opinion [00:34:00] Real-world impact on families, students, and small businesses Featured Quotes: “Nor shall any person be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law.” “Don't talk to me about Donald Trump being a brilliant businessman—he's a brilliant thief.” “For me, it's about democracy and decency. Always has been.” Resources Mentioned: David Brooks: "What's Happening Is Not Normal" (NYT) – www.nytimes.com/2025/04/17/opinion/trump-harvard-law-firms.html Adam Unikowsky on Substack – adamunikowsky.substack.com/p/the-case-for-suing Mike Madrid's Substack, The Great Transformation – substack.com/@madridmike

In this episode, host Corey Nathan talks with renowned journalist, scholar, and public intellectual E.J. Dionne Jr. E.J. is a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, a syndicated columnist for The Washington Post, a professor at Georgetown University, and a prolific author. Together, they discuss democracy, faith, political polarization, and the enduring need for real argument and hope in public life. What We Discuss: How E.J.'s upbringing shaped his approach to political debate and dialogue. Why engaging seriously with opposing ideas is crucial to democracy. The difference between optimism and hope — and why hope is essential. How faith and civil society contribute to repairing societal divisions. Episode Highlights: [00:03:00] E.J. shares how his father encouraged open political debate. [00:06:00] Reflections on DEI, the “woke” debates, and critiques of excesses. [00:10:00] The Trump administration's unintended role in uniting pro-democracy groups. [00:15:00] Anger and economic grievances in Fall River, Massachusetts. [00:24:00] Why hope, not just optimism, is vital for public life. [00:36:00] E.J.'s personal faith journey and the importance of humble belief. [00:48:00] Reflections on Pope Francis' legacy and the Catholic Church. [01:05:00] What worries E.J. about democracy today — and what gives him hope. Featured Quotes: "In real argument, you enter imaginatively into the ideas your opponent holds." — E.J. Dionne "Hope is the virtue on which faith and love depend." — E.J. Dionne "You can really disagree with people you love, and you can love people you disagree with." — E.J. Dionne "We find sanctity even in mundane conversations." — Corey Nathan Resources Mentioned:

In this episode, host Corey Nathan shares a candid reflection about a recent encounter where he was right on the facts and the law—but completely wrong in how he presented them. Yet if we're honest with ourselves about when we make mistakes, it's a good opportunity to learn, reminding us that how we communicate is just as important as what we communicate. What You'll Learn: Why being right on the law isn't enough in a conversation How righteous anger can derail productive dialogue Why due process matters for everyone—especially those who aren't guilty of crimes Tools for engaging in hard conversations with empathy and curiosity How the Constitution and Judeo-Christian values intersect in public discourse Episode Highlights: [00:02:00] Corey introduces the story and the key lesson he learned [00:05:00] Breakdown of the Alien Enemies Act and a real legal case [00:06:45] A stranger challenges Corey at a restaurant [00:07:30] Corey "goes Jersey" and loses his cool [00:13:00] What due process really protects and why it matters [00:16:00] How Isaac Saul, David Brooks, and Mónica Guzmán inspired a better way to respond [00:18:00] Reading the First and Fifth Amendments to ground the conversation Featured Quotes: "I was completely right on the facts, but I was completely wrong on the delivery." — Corey Nathan "Due process is there for the innocent just as much as the guilty—even more so for the innocent." — Corey Nathan "Ask at least three questions before making your point." — inspired by Isaac Saul

In this episode, we sit down with Isaac Saul, founder of Tangle, a widely respected, nonpartisan political newsletter. Isaac and his team bring a fresh approach to political journalism by curating multiple perspectives—right, left, and independent—on major stories of the day. Corey, a fan and avid reader of Tangle, dives deep into Isaac's upbringing in Bucks County, PA, how that shaped his civic “multilingualism,” and the genesis of Tangle during a particularly difficult phase of his career. Together, they explore the challenges of journalistic ethics, political polarization, media bias, and the future of trustworthy news. What We Discuss: Why Bucks County, PA, is so friggin' awesome! And why it plays a crucial role in shaping moderate political thinkers. How Isaac Saul built Tangle from the ground up as a response to media frustration. The journalistic principles and ethical guardrails that guide Isaac's work. How to discern quality journalism in an era dominated by clickbait and misinformation. The dangers of polarization and what gives Isaac hope about our democratic future. Episode Highlights: [00:01:00] Isaac Saul shares the mission behind Tangle and what inspired him to create it. [00:05:00] Corey and Isaac explore how growing up in politically diverse Bucks County cultivated empathy and civic fluency. [00:10:00] Isaac discusses his unique way of reaching conspiracy-minded friends—by “using their language” and exposing financial incentives in media. [00:15:00] Isaac describes his journalistic background and the importance of reporting with integrity and skepticism. [00:24:00] Isaac recounts his “f*** this” moment that led to launching Tangle after being rejected from multiple major outlets. [00:34:00] Corey explains his methodical approach to reading Tangle and how it helps refine his own viewpoints. [00:40:00] Behind the scenes: How Isaac and his team choose stories and fairly represent both sides of complex political issues. [00:54:00] Isaac shares his hopes and fears about political division, executive overreach, and the role of media in democracy. Featured Quotes: "The people who are really politically engaged on the right and the left right now are living in just different realities." – Isaac Saul "I know what I think. It's the least interesting thing on the planet. I live with this brain all day. I want to hear what others think." – Isaac Saul "You should treat every click like you're handing a news outlet a dollar." – Isaac Saul "Centrism is an ideology in and of itself. I'm not trying to land in the middle—I'm just being honest about my real reactions." – Isaac Saul Resources Mentioned: Tangle Newsletter – www.readtangle.com Isaac Saul's TED Talk: “What Media Doesn't Tell You” – youtu.be/543mYKKh1EE?si=CjdQv94HzT04vknh How Media Bias Works (Tangle article) – www.readtangle.com/why-the-media-is-broken/ Isaac on Twitter: x.com/Ike_Saul

In this deeply moving episode, Corey Nathan welcomes Rabbi Sharon Brous, the senior and founding rabbi of IKAR, a groundbreaking Jewish community based in Los Angeles. Rabbi Brous is also the author of The Amen Effect: Ancient Wisdom to Heal Our Hearts and Mend Our Broken World. Together, they explore ancient traditions, mental health, spiritual leadership, and how to foster deeper, more compassionate human connections even across profound divides. What We Discuss: The ancient ritual of turning toward the brokenhearted and its modern relevance. The profound impact of being seen and embraced in moments of vulnerability. How leaders carry and process communal pain—and why that matters. Practical wisdom on staying curious and compassionate across ideological divides. The role of community design in spiritual experiences. Episode Highlights: [00:01:00] Rabbi Brous explains the Mishnah Middot and the ritual of turning toward the brokenhearted. [00:08:00] Corey and Rabbi Brous discuss the concept of sin as a burden like mental illness. [00:15:00] The transformative power of being truly seen and how crying makes space for new realities. [00:20:00] Rabbi Brous reflects on the toll leadership can take and how caregivers must process pain. [00:24:00] The design of IKAR's prayer space and how it fosters visibility and community. [00:34:00] Navigating discomfort with changes in religious leadership and traditions. [00:42:00] How to stay at the table with those who hurt or anger us—and why it's critical. [00:53:00] A powerful story about transformation through simple presence and blessing. Featured Quotes: "Sometimes you don't even want to get out of bed. Yet, sacred tradition compels us to show our brokenness—and trust that we will be held with love." — Rabbi Sharon Brous "If you don't metabolize pain, it will metastasize inside of you." — Rabbi Sharon Brous "We can create new neural and spiritual pathways—by allowing ourselves to be seen and to receive love." — Rabbi Sharon Brous "It takes courage to be curious about someone who hurt you, but that's the only way to heal." — Rabbi Sharon Brous Resources Mentioned: The Amen Effect by Rabbi Sharon Brous: https://ikar.org/the-amen-effect/the-big-idea/ IKAR Jewish Community: https://www.ikar.org/ How to Know a Person by David Brooks: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/652822/how-to-know-a-person-by-david-brooks/ Fierce Love by Rev. Dr. Jacqui Lewis: https://jacquijlewis.com/fierce-love/ I Never Thought of It That Way by Mónica Guzmán: https://www.moniguzman.com/book

In this heartfelt and wide-ranging episode, host Corey Nathan sits down with a very special guest — his own son, Emerson Riley Nathan. Together, they dive into Gen Z's unique perspective on faith, politics, and culture. As a young adult navigating the complexities of belief, identity, and creativity, Emerson offers refreshing candor about his spiritual journey, social views, and passion for music. This conversation is an inspiring look at how different generations can engage in meaningful, respectful dialogue. What You Will Learn: Insights into Gen Z's evolving relationship with faith and spirituality How Emerson balances skepticism and open-mindedness about religion The impact of politics and social media on young people's worldview How music and community-building are vital for mental health and connection The dynamic of a father and son having open, vulnerable discussions about big life questions Episode Highlights: [00:01:00] – Emerson's "graveyard shift" lifestyle and its impact on his creativity [00:03:00] – Emerson shares his journey growing up between Christianity and Judaism [00:07:00] – How the 2012 election and political polarization shaped Emerson's views [00:11:00] – Moving away from organized religion and questioning traditional beliefs [00:20:00] – Emerson's current agnostic beliefs and embracing uncertainty about the afterlife [00:27:00] – The healing power of kindness and defining what it means to be good [00:32:00] – Emerson's passion for dubstep, rave culture, and community through music [00:45:00] – Corey and Emerson discuss responsible adulthood, fatherhood, and finding purpose [00:59:00] – How politics today have created both division and a sense of helplessness Resources Mentioned: Sugar Magnacious on Instagram Debased Sound on Instagram

In this episode, we welcome back political journalist and author Will Saletan. Will, formerly of Slate and now a writer for The Bulwark, is known for his sharp insights on American democracy, political corruption, and authoritarianism. Will reflects on the pivotal events leading up to and following the 2024 election, including Joe Biden's withdrawal, Kamala Harris's campaign, and Donald Trump's return to power. This thought-provoking conversation dives into the state of democracy, the rise of authoritarianism, and how ordinary Americans are responding. What You Will Learn How Will Saletan processed the chaotic political landscape leading up to the 2024 election. Why many Americans seem indifferent to threats against constitutional rights. Will's analysis of Trump's authoritarian tendencies and the implications for democracy. The emerging role of European allies as America's commitment to NATO and democracy weakens. Practical strategies for handling misinformation and toxic discourse on social media. Episode Highlights [00:01:00] Introduction to Will Saletan and a reflection on major events since their last conversation. [00:03:00] Will discusses his surprise at Biden's physical and verbal deterioration during the 2024 campaign. [00:07:00] The challenges Kamala Harris faced stepping into the race and why the "change election" dynamic mattered. [00:11:00] Corey and Will examine why many Americans rationalized or minimized January 6th. [00:23:00] Will explains how fear and profit motive lead companies and law firms to capitulate to authoritarian pressures. [00:29:00] How self-censorship and fear of government retribution are stifling free speech. [00:54:00] Will shares the "general idea" he's concluded about the Trump administration: incompetence and stupidity at historic levels. [01:03:00] Hope on the horizon: how European nations are stepping up to defend democratic values. [01:06:00] Final reflections on the resilience of democracy beyond America's current political struggles. Featured Quotes Will Saletan: "What clicks for me is very simple: they're idiots. They're really stupid, and they think they're smart." Will Saletan: "The danger isn't just the lies themselves—it's the machinery of intimidation that stops people from even trying to tell the truth." Corey Nathan: "It's encouraging when you realize people are so much more than the hat they might wear." Will Saletan: "Even though America has faltered, there's still goodness in the world—and it's stepping up." Resources Mentioned Will Saletan at The Bulwark Will's book: The Corruption of Lindsey Graham: A Case Study in The Rise of Authoritarianism Will on Bluesky - @saletan.bsky.social (Note: If Will referenced any other external resources or books you want linked specifically, just let me know!)

In this solo episode, host Corey Nathan takes a deep dive into one of the foundational guidelines we've used in curating conversations both in person and online: handling misinformation. Corey reflects on his experiences moderating political and religious discussions, the evolution of social media moderation, and the fine balance between protecting free speech and maintaining civil discourse. We invite listeners into an honest exploration of free expression, civic engagement, and fostering better conversations, even with those we deeply disagree with. What We Discuss: Why it could be worth rethinking the rule to report and remove proven falsehoods from these forums. The importance of understanding the First Amendment and time, place, and manner restrictions on free speech. How maintaining civil discourse matters more than ever, even with the spread of misinformation. Reflections on the lessons learned from controversial public conversations, like Gavin Newsom's podcast guests and protests on college campuses. How personal experiences during the pandemic and political unrest shaped Corey's approach to moderating tough conversations. Episode Highlights: [00:03:00] Corey's initial set of rules for moderating conversations on social media. [00:08:00] Why platforms like Meta and Twitter are no longer actively flagging misinformation. [00:10:00] Revisiting the meaning of the First Amendment and its application to private forums. [00:18:00] Discussing time, place, and manner restrictions in the context of campus protests and public demonstrations. [00:23:00] Reflecting on the events of January 6th and the perpetuation of election fraud narratives. [00:36:00] Learning from Gavin Newsom's engagement with controversial figures like Steve Bannon and Charlie Kirk. [00:43:00] Why civil engagement—even with those we strongly disagree with—might be more powerful than silencing falsehoods. [00:52:00] Corey's updated stance: allowing proven falsehoods to remain visible for educational and relational purposes. Featured Quotes: "Congress shall make no law... but that doesn't mean I, a private individual, can't curate conversations in my own forums." "When we disagree is when it's most important to protect free speech."  "Sunlight is the best disinfectant. Let the worst ideas stand up to scrutiny."  "Staying in relationship with those we disagree with gives us a better chance to understand and grow."  Resources Mentioned: The Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression (FIRE) Gavin Newsom's Podcast

In this episode, host Corey Nathan welcomes back Monica Guzmán, Senior Fellow for Public Practice at Braver Angels, host of A Braver Way podcast, CEO of Reclaim Curiosity, and author of I Never Thought of It That Way: How to Have Fearlessly Curious Conversations in Dangerously Divided Times. Monica's mission is to help bridge America's political divides through fearless curiosity. With deep reflections on the 2024 election, evolving friendships across ideological lines, and her renewed commitment to bridge building, Monica shares how we can stay grounded and connected—especially when it feels impossible. What We Discuss: How Moni processes political polarization and stays grounded—even when the world feels divided Practical strategies for engaging with people across ideological lines without compromising your values Why shared outrage across political lines can be a gateway to unity The role of empathy, humility, and curiosity in depolarizing conversations How journalists and moderators can better navigate falsehoods without censoring legitimate concerns Episode Highlights: [00:03:00] – Mónica explains how her emotional radar helps her know when to seek out conversations with people who see politics differently. [00:08:00] – Unexpected agreement: conservatives and liberals are both frustrated with Congressional dysfunction and executive overreach. [00:14:00] – Moni shares how talking with people who had different experiences during COVID reshaped her understanding and empathy. [00:21:00] – Corey and Mónica discuss boundaries in bridge building—when is it time to walk away from a relationship? [00:29:00] – Moderating contentious conversations: “police the structure, not the content.” [00:36:00] – The relationship between activism and dialogue—and why one without the other can be reckless or ineffective. [00:46:00] – Tips for recognizing quality journalism and avoiding emotionally manipulative content. [00:56:00] – Mónica's closing advice: engagement is not endorsement. Curiosity and conversation don't mean you're compromising your values. Featured Quotes: “I've been persuaded over and over again that positions against mine are not ludicrous.” – Mónica Guzmán “Engagement is not endorsement. Having a conversation doesn't mean you're capitulating.” – Mónica Guzmán “Find your edge—and push it. That's all you need to do to build a bridge.” – Mónica Guzmán “I don't want a decision or a position to get in the way of our relationship. I want to understand it better.” – Corey Nathan Resources Mentioned: I Never Thought of It That Way by Monica Guzmán - moniguzman.com/book Braver Angels - braverangels.org

In this episode, host Corey Nathan reconnects with his longtime friend Gary Keifer, an expat currently living in Peru. Gary brings a refreshingly honest and “untethered” perspective to U.S. politics, unfiltered by party loyalty or institutional affiliation. With a background in comedy, improv, and theater, Gary offers thoughtful insights rooted in personal experience and global observations. The conversation spans topics from immigration and working-class politics to why Gary abstained from discussing American politics for years—until now. Together, Corey and Gary exemplify what it means to engage in civil discourse across ideological lines. What We Discuss: Why Gary calls himself an "untethered expat" and what that means for his political views. How the Clinton-era Democratic strategy toward the working class contributed to the rise of Trump. Why immigration is the central issue Gary believes needs urgent resolution—and how both parties have failed on it. The limitations of elite political commentary and the value of everyday perspectives. Why Trump's populism appeals to working-class voters despite his billionaire status. The potential dangers of overreaching political mandates and ignoring opposing voices. Episode Highlights: [00:02:00] – Corey introduces Gary, a longtime friend with a unique expat perspective on U.S. politics. [00:04:30] – Gary explains his belief in choosing “common people” over public figures for meaningful conversations. [00:08:00] – Why Gary broke his two-year vow of not discussing U.S. politics. [00:10:30] – How Bill Clinton's shift away from labor shaped modern political realignment. [00:16:00] – A comedic (and thought-provoking) take on Trump's origin story and Steve Bannon's influence. [00:30:00] – Gary criticizes both parties for exploiting immigration and creating a caste system. [00:34:00] – Corey and Gary analyze Biden's early decisions and whether reversing Trump-era immigration policies was a political mistake. [00:45:00] – The bipartisan immigration deal Trump blocked—and what it reveals about political strategy. [01:00:00] – Gary pleads: “Just give Trump the win on immigration so we can move on.” Featured Quotes: “Fascism doesn't just appear out of nowhere. It fills a void left by something else.” – Gary Keifer “You can't skip Chapter One of fascism—how we got here matters.” – Gary Keifer “Compromise is the substrate of democracy.” – Corey Nathan “At the end of the day, we're just regular guys trying to have conversations most people are avoiding.” – Corey Nathan

In this conversation, host Corey Nathan welcomes back Peter Wehner, contributing writer at The Atlantic and The New York Times, senior fellow at the Trinity Forum, and author of multiple books including The Death of Politics and City of Man. A former speechwriter for President George W. Bush, Pete brings a unique perspective shaped by his deep political experience, Christian faith, and unwavering moral compass. Together, Corey and Pete engage in a wide-ranging conversation on the 2024 election, the moral health of our nation, the role of the church, and the constitutional implications of a second Trump presidency. What We Discuss: How Pete Wehner processed the pivotal moments of the 2024 election, including Biden's withdrawal and Kamala Harris's campaign Why Donald Trump's reelection reveals unsettling truths about American society and the church How constitutional crises might unfold under Trump's second term Why thinkers like Vaclav Havel, Solzhenitsyn, and Tocqueville are essential guides in this political moment How to have more effective and empathetic conversations across political and religious divides Episode Highlights: [00:01:00] – Introduction to Pete Wehner's background and career [00:02:00] – Pete reflects on Biden's debate performance and why he felt Biden should have withdrawn sooner [00:05:00] – Analysis of Kamala Harris's campaign, debate performance, and what ultimately cost her the election [00:09:00] – The moral reckoning: what Trump's reelection says about American voters and the church [00:14:00] – Pete dissects why evangelicals have remained loyal to Trump and how rationalizations took hold [00:27:00] – A 30-page email exchange: Pete's attempt to reason with a high-profile Trump supporter and what it revealed [00:34:00] – Trump's “appetite for revenge”: Pete outlines troubling actions already taken in just 60 days of Trump's second term [00:41:00] – Defining a constitutional crisis and what happens when a president defies court rulings [00:46:00] – Finding hope and moral clarity through leaders like Havel, Solzhenitsyn, and Tocqueville [00:50:00] – The TP&R question: Pete's insights on how to build better conversations across our differences Featured Quotes: “Donald Trump is president because of the white evangelical vote. He touched something deep in the hearts of many Christians—and that should trouble us.” – Peter Wehner “Hope is not the conviction that something will turn out well; it's the certainty that something makes sense, regardless of how it turns out.” – Vaclav Havel (quoted by Pete) “We're moving toward a constitutional crisis... If Trump defies a court order, we may find out how many divisions Chief Justice John Roberts really has.” – Peter Wehner “We have to prioritize human relationships. The ripple effects for the country can be healthy.” – Peter Wehner Resources Mentioned: Peter Wehner's articles in The Atlantic: https://www.theatlantic.com/author/peter-wehner/ Peter Wehner's columns in The New York Times: https://www.nytimes.com/column/peter-wehner “The Power of the Powerless” by Vaclav Havel: https://www.nonviolent-conflict.org/resource/the-power-of-the-powerless/ The Gulag Archipelago by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn: https://www.amazon.com/Gulag-Archipelago-1918-1956-Experiment-Investigation/dp/0061253804 Democracy in America by Alexis de Tocqueville: https://www.gutenberg.org/files/815/815-h/815-h.htm

In this episode, we explore some essential tools for navigating difficult conversations in today's polarized world. After all, we are part of The Democracy Group! And our goal with TDG and this program is to foster respectful, insightful discussions on politics, religion, and other sensitive topics—without resorting to hostility. In this solo episode, Corey shares practical strategies for setting boundaries, "clearing the brush" (i.e. assumptions), and focusing on meaningful conversations rather than debates.

In this episode, host Corey Nathan sits down with Charlie Sykes, a prominent conservative commentator, former talk radio host, and founder of The Bulwark, who's currently writing and podcast on his excellent Substack To the Contrary. Known for his sharp political insights and willingness to challenge the current trajectory of the Republican Party, Charlie discusses the erosion of democratic norms, the transformation of conservatism, and what the future holds for both parties.

In this episode, host Corey Nathan shares his candid thoughts on hope, concerns about the state of democracy, and the importance of engaging in meaningful conversations. Inspired by recent discussions with David French and Charlie Sykes, Corey explores whether he remains hopeful about the future—both at the national level and in his local community. What You Will Learn The state of American democracy and the balance of power How the First Amendment is being threatened Why the judicial branch has been a critical check on executive overreach The role of civil discourse in bridging ideological divides How personal relationships offer reasons for hope Episode Highlights [00:00:00] – Introduction: Exploring the question of hope in today's political climate [00:01:30] – Why Corey is concerned about the balance of power in government [00:05:00] – The judicial branch as a key safeguard against executive overreach [00:07:30] – Threats to First Amendment rights, including freedom of speech and the press [00:12:00] – The rise of online hostility and how it impacts public discourse [00:18:00] – Finding hope through local engagement and personal relationships [00:22:00] – The power of human connection in bridging political divides Featured Quotes "I have concerns about the balance of power and our First Amendment rights—but that doesn't mean I'm without hope."  "When we engage with each other at the local level, it becomes about relationships instead of transactions."  "If we really want to change things, we have to start by recognizing each other's humanity." 

In this episode, we welcome back David French, columnist for The New York Times, former constitutional attorney, and author of Divided We Fall. We discuss the current state of American democracy, the challenges of political division, and how we can engage in civil discourse despite deep ideological differences. David also shares a personal update on his family and reflects on the profound trials and growth that come with adversity.

In this episode we dive into the complex issue of Ukraine, America's involvement, and the broader implications for democracy and global alliances. This episode is an exploration of how we can develop reasoned positions on global conflicts, engage in informed discussions, and recognize the limitations of our own expertise. What We Discuss How to approach discussions about Ukraine with a reasoned, principled perspective. The importance of distinguishing between facts and opinions in political discourse. How to recognize and rely on credible experts rather than self-appointed commentators. Strategies for engaging in meaningful conversations with those who hold different views. Why shared values and historical context matter in forming ethical positions. Episode Highlights [00:01:00] – Corey introduces the topic, emphasizing the importance of forming reasoned opinions based on principles rather than political affiliations. [00:04:00] – The rise of divisive, “owning the libs” mentalities in political discourse and the shift away from virtues like decency and integrity. [00:06:00] – Discussion of a powerful article by Dr. Russell Moore on the moral costs of ignoring Ukraine's plight and the dangers of moral relativism in international affairs. [00:09:00] – The importance of verifying facts through reputable sources like the Council on Foreign Relations, rather than relying on partisan opinionators. [00:13:00] – Why experts like Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Anne Applebaum and military expert Alexander Vindman are critical voices in understanding the Ukraine conflict. [00:18:00] – The dangers of allowing misinformation to shape public opinion and the tactics used in political debates to shift blame and avoid accountability. [00:24:00] – Strategies for having better conversations, including finding shared values, hunting for points of agreement, and engaging with intellectual humility. [00:28:00] – A reflection on balancing justice, kindness, and humility in both personal interactions and global politics, inspired by Micah 6:8. Featured Quotes

In this episode we sit down with Congressman Ritchie Torres, a fighter from the Bronx who has spent his life advocating for his community. We discuss pressing issues such as the social safety net, housing inequality, mental health, bipartisanship, and Rep. Torres' personal journey from public housing to Congress. We also touch on Israel, antisemitism, and the future of American democracy. What We Discuss: How Congressman Torres' personal experiences with poverty and public housing shaped his political career. His perspective on the Republican budget resolution and its impact on working-class Americans. Why mental health advocacy is deeply personal to him and the tools he uses to maintain his well-being. His unwavering support for Israel and the backlash he has faced because of it. Insights on the current political landscape, Donald Trump's influence, and the need for bipartisanship. Whether Rep. Torres is considering a run for governor of New York and what motivates his political aspirations. How to engage in better political and religious discussions without hostility. Episode Highlights: [00:01:00] Introducing Ritchie Torres – His background, legislative achievements, and what drives him. [00:02:00] GOP Budget Cuts & Social Safety Net – Why the latest proposal is a “frontal assault” on working-class Americans. [00:04:00] Personal Story & His Greatest Hero – How being raised by a single mother in the Bronx shaped his worldview. [00:07:00] Mental Health & Politics – How Rep. Torres overcame depression and why he's open about talking about mental health. [00:14:00] Facing Backlash for Supporting Israel – The threats and vitriol he has endured for his stance. [00:20:00] Avoiding Political Distractions – Why he focuses on core economic issues instead of social media trends. [00:22:00] Trump 2.0 & The Future of Democracy – His concerns about a second Trump presidency. [00:25:00] Political Future: Running for Governor? – Why he believes New York needs a new generation of leadership. [00:27:00] How to Talk Politics Without Killin' Each Other – The importance of intellectual humility and pluralism. Featured Quotes: “Before I'm a congressman or a councilman, I'm first and foremost the son of my mother...”  “I refuse to live in fear of the extremes. I insist on doing what I think is right, even if it means standing alone.”  “Not only should civil discourse be possible, it's a necessity for a pluralistic democracy like ours.”  “If you do the same thing over and over and expect a different result, that's the definition of insanity.” 

Can we bridge the partisan divide and have constructive dialogue about politics and religion with "them" - people who have different beliefs about democracy, politics and religion? Are we able to simply have civil, civic conversations?  (We're grateful to have a number of new listeners. So we thought it'd be good to revisit this episode that was first aired just after the inauguration.) In this edition, host Corey Nathan explores how we can have meaningful, respectful, and productive conversations with those who think differently from us—politically, religiously, and ideologically. After four years of hosting the show and speaking with a wide array of guests, Corey shares his own insights, offering seven practical tools (plus a bonus tip) for engaging with “one of them” in a way that fosters connection rather than division. What Is Discussed How to give yourself and others grace in difficult conversations The importance of setting proper expectations when discussing sensitive topics Why asking the right questions is more powerful than having the perfect comeback How storytelling can humanize those with whom we disagree The value of being open to the phrase "I never thought of it that way" How to recognize when it's time to step away from a conversation or to love someone "from a safe distance" Resources and organizations that can help you navigate difficult discussions Episode Highlights ⏳ [00:02:00] – Reviews from listeners: the good, the bad, and the constructive ⏳ [00:05:00] – The purpose of this episode: sharing tools for engaging with "one of them" ⏳ [00:06:00] – Tool #1: Grace – Accepting that we will all make mistakes in these conversations ⏳ [00:09:00] – Tool #2: Proper Expectations – Why we shouldn't expect to change someone's mind 180 degrees ⏳ [00:12:00] – Tool #3: Asking Questions – Learning from Jesus' approach of responding with questions ⏳ [00:20:00] – Tool #4: Storytelling – The power of narrative in understanding each other as human beings ⏳ [00:25:00] – Tool #5: Being Open to "I Never Thought of It That Way" Moments ⏳ [00:32:00] – Tool #6: Recognizing Your Line – Knowing when to step away from an unhealthy dynamic ⏳ [00:35:00] – Tool #7: Equipping Yourself – Books, organizations, and resources for learning how to engage better ⏳ [00:38:00] – Bonus Tip: Taking Care of Yourself – Mental, emotional, and physical well-being in this work Featured Quotes

In this timely edition of Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other, host Corey Nathan welcomes Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde, the Bishop of the Episcopal Diocese of Washington, D.C., and the Washington National Cathedral. Bishop Budde is a well-respected spiritual leader who has appeared on PBS NewsHour, Meet the Press, Good Morning America, and The Today Show. The conversation dives into Bishop Budde's faith journey, her reflections on political and social issues, and her approach to leading with grace and courage in divisive times. The discussion also touches on the controversy surrounding her sermon and how she directly addressed Donald Trump at the National Cathedral following the 2025 presidential inauguration. What We Discuss Bishop Budde's personal faith journey, from her early religious experiences to her leadership in the Episcopal Church. The challenges of navigating faith, politics, and national unity in today's polarized climate. How to extend grace and practice mercy even in the face of criticism. The role of the church in advocating for social justice, particularly regarding immigration and LGBTQ+ rights. Strategies for engaging in difficult conversations while maintaining mutual respect. Episode Highlights [00:00:00] – Introduction to the episode and guest, Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde. [00:02:00] – Bishop Budde shares her faith journey and the struggles she faced reconciling different religious influences. [00:10:00] – The tension between faith and exclusivity: why some versions of Christianity felt limiting to her. [00:15:00] – The discipline of grace: choosing to respond with compassion rather than anger, even when faced with opposition. [00:26:00] – Bishop Budde's response to the 2025 presidential inauguration sermon controversy and the importance of speaking truth with love. [00:38:00] – Handling criticism and maintaining a sense of personal and spiritual balance. [00:52:00] – Finding hope in uncertain times: How we can cultivate a spirit of resilience and faith amid societal challenges. [00:55:00] – The importance of dialogue: How to foster better conversations across political and religious differences. [01:03:00] – Final thoughts and how to follow Bishop Budde's work. Featured Quotes "If it's not about love, it's not about God." – Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde "The discipline of grace is a practice, not a gift. It's about choosing to respond with love even when it's difficult." – Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde "To be raised from the dead—whatever that means in our own lives—requires our consent to live again, to have our hearts broken again, and to take on all of life again." – Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde "We need to ask ourselves: When was the last time I changed my mind? True dialogue requires being open to seeing the world differently." – Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde Resources Mentioned Bishop Budde's Book: How We Learn to Be Brave Episcopal Diocese of Washington – www.edow.org

In this episode, host Corey Nathan takes on one of the biggest challenges in today's society: toxic partisanship. He explores how political and social divisions have deepened, fueled by media, social networks, and entrenched ideological battles. But rather than just diagnosing the problem, Corey offers a powerful antidote—getting local and engaging in real-life, face-to-face conversations. He draws inspiration from scholars like Jonathan Haidt, Katherine Stewart and Robert Putnam, as well as his personal experiences, to make a compelling case for community-based solutions to polarization. What We Discuss ✅ The real extent of political division in America—and why it's not as bad as it seems ✅ How social media and national narratives exaggerate our differences ✅ The philosophy of Carl Schmitt and its impact on modern political discourse ✅ Why local engagement—like city council meetings, PTAs, and even bar conversations—is the key to bridging divides ✅ Practical steps to foster meaningful discussions and rebuild relationships Episode Highlights ⏳ [00:02:00] – The growing problem of toxic partisanship and how social media makes it worse ⏳ [00:05:00] – A study from More in Common shows Americans want unity, but doubt the other side does ⏳ [00:09:00] – Corey shares personal examples of online political attacks and how they reflect broader polarization ⏳ [00:14:00] – A key solution: Local engagement and organizations like Village Square ⏳ [00:17:00] – How shared community goals, like better roads and schools, help bridge ideological divides ⏳ [00:20:00] – The inspiring story of Joe Walsh and Fred Guttenberg: Two ideological opposites who became close friends ⏳ [00:23:00] – The challenge of engaging with people who seem beyond reach—and knowing when to step away ⏳ [00:26:00] – A call to action: Take the first step, invite someone for coffee, and start humanizing one another Featured Quotes

In this episode, host Corey Nathan welcomes investigative journalist and author Katherine Stewart back to the show. Katherine has spent over 15 years researching and reporting on religious nationalism and its impact on American democracy. Her new book, Money, Lies, and God: Inside the Movement to Destroy American Democracy, exposes the deep financial and ideological networks fueling Christian nationalism and the broader anti-democratic movement. This conversation explores how extreme wealth, disinformation, and religious nationalism are being weaponized against democracy—and what we can do about it.

In this edition, Corey Nathan challenges listeners—especially his fellow Christians—to consider whether they have forgotten the first commandment: "Thou shalt have no other gods before Me." He explores how idolatry has evolved beyond worshiping wooden idols and now manifests in politics, ideology, and the way Christians engage with their faith in a modern democracy. This is meant to be an open conversation for people of all beliefs. Corey discusses the intersection of faith and civic engagement, posing challenging questions about whether political preferences are shaping morality rather than the other way around.

In this episode, host Corey Nathan engages in a timely and candid discussion with Marcus Ruiz Evans, the leader of the CalExit movement. Marc has been spearheading efforts to make California an independent nation for over a decade, publishing California's Next Century 2.0 in 2012. With the California Secretary of State recently approving a petition to start collecting signatures for an independence initiative, this conversation is more relevant than ever. Marc provides historical context, legal perspectives, and the strategic steps required to potentially break away from the United States.

In this episode, host Corey Nathan sits down with Blake Fischer, the creator and host of The Homeless Conservative podcast. Blake describes himself as a constitutional conservative who feels politically "homeless" in today's climate. They dive deep into politics, faith, and media, all while challenging ideological silos in an engaging and candid conversation. Blake shares his unique political journey, from growing up in Oklahoma and getting involved in politics at an early age to becoming a musician touring the country in a punk-rock band. His experiences shape his political perspective, emphasizing constitutional principles, independent thinking, and holding both sides accountable.

In this episode, we welcome back Jonathan Rauch, senior fellow at the Brookings Institution and a contributing writer at The Atlantic. Jon joined us to discuss his new book, Cross Purposes: Christianity's Broken Bargain with Democracy. We dive deep into the intersection of faith, democracy, and civic engagement (that's our jam!), exploring how American Christianity has shifted in recent years and what that means for the future of our democracy. We also discuss the aftermath of the 2024 election, the rise of political tribalism, and the role of faith in shaping a more just and stable society. What We Discuss How Jonathan Rauch's perspective on faith and democracy evolved over time (including what Jon refers to as the dumbest thing he ever wrote). Why he believes Christianity has played a crucial role in supporting democracy—and where it has gone wrong. The key differences between “thin Christianity” and “thick Christianity.” How the LDS Church offers a model for civic engagement based on negotiation and peacemaking. Why the loss of institutional trust is fueling political and social instability. The role of Braver Angels and other organizations in bridging political divides. Episode Highlights ⏳ [00:02:00] – Jonathan Rauch discusses his background, his past books, and his upcoming release, Cross Purposes. ⏳ [00:07:00] – Reflecting on the 2024 election and why it was surprisingly “ordinary” despite extreme circumstances. ⏳ [00:13:00] – How Trump's second administration is reshaping democracy and institutions. ⏳ [00:22:00] – Rauch's personal journey: From skepticism about religion to recognizing its role in democracy. ⏳ [00:35:00] – The rise of “thin Christianity” and how churches are struggling with political identity. ⏳ [00:44:00] – How the LDS Church provides an example of “thick Christianity” and civic engagement. ⏳ [00:57:00] – Rauch's concerns about post-liberalism and authoritarian tendencies in American politics. ⏳ [01:10:00] – The importance of doubt, curiosity, and engaging across differences. ⏳ [01:17:00] – Final thoughts: How to be better citizens and people of faith in a pluralistic society. Featured Quotes

Is it possible to have decent conversations across political differences. Short answer: Yeah! In this episode, host Corey Nathan explores how we can have meaningful, respectful, and productive conversations with those who think differently from us—politically, religiously, and ideologically. After four years of hosting the show and speaking with a wide array of guests, Corey shares his own insights, offering seven practical tools (plus a bonus tip) for engaging with “one of them” in a way that fosters connection rather than division. What Is Discussed How to give yourself and others grace in difficult conversations The importance of setting proper expectations when discussing sensitive topics Why asking the right questions is more powerful than having the perfect comeback How storytelling can humanize those with whom we disagree The value of being open to the phrase "I never thought of it that way" How to recognize when it's time to step away from a conversation or to love someone "from a safe distance" Resources and organizations that can help you navigate difficult discussions Episode Highlights ⏳ [00:02:00] – Reviews from listeners: the good, the bad, and the constructive ⏳ [00:05:00] – The purpose of this episode: sharing tools for engaging with "one of them" ⏳ [00:06:00] – Tool #1: Grace – Accepting that we will all make mistakes in these conversations ⏳ [00:09:00] – Tool #2: Proper Expectations – Why we shouldn't expect to change someone's mind 180 degrees ⏳ [00:12:00] – Tool #3: Asking Questions – Learning from Jesus' approach of responding with questions ⏳ [00:20:00] – Tool #4: Storytelling – The power of narrative in understanding each other as human beings ⏳ [00:25:00] – Tool #5: Being Open to "I Never Thought of It That Way" Moments ⏳ [00:32:00] – Tool #6: Recognizing Your Line – Knowing when to step away from an unhealthy dynamic ⏳ [00:35:00] – Tool #7: Equipping Yourself – Books, organizations, and resources for learning how to engage better ⏳ [00:38:00] – Bonus Tip: Taking Care of Yourself – Mental, emotional, and physical well-being in this work Featured Quotes

In this episode, host Corey Nathan reconnects with Julie Mason, renowned journalist and host of The Julie Mason Show on SiriusXM's POTUS channel. Julie brings decades of experience in journalism, spanning local, state, and national politics, and shares her sharp insights on the evolving media landscape, political discourse, and the state of journalism today. What We Discuss: The evolving role of journalists in a polarized media environment. How to navigate news consumption and discern credible sources. Insights into the challenges of covering politicians and divisive topics. The growing intersection between social media platforms and journalism. Why re-engaging with quality news content is critical to democracy. Mike Pence: The King of Hilarity... Wait. WHAT?!?! No, really Episode Highlights: [00:00:00] – Corey welcomes Julie back to the podcast after four years and reflects on her journey in journalism, from print reporting to hosting her SiriusXM show. [00:09:00] – Julie explains how she transitioned from print to radio and why she took the leap into the unfamiliar world of broadcasting. [00:20:00] – The challenges of modern journalism: Julie addresses disinformation, lies in politics, and why reporters must focus on stories that truly impact people's lives. [00:27:00] – A discussion on how journalism is evolving to meet the needs of a fatigued audience, from long-form storytelling to true crime podcasts. [00:40:00] – Julie emphasizes the importance of journalists remaining stoic and professional, especially during major historical events like January 6th. [00:47:00] – Corey and Julie explore ways to have constructive conversations with people across ideological divides, drawing inspiration from bipartisan efforts in Congress. [00:55:00] – Julie's call to action: Why supporting quality journalism through subscriptions and active engagement matters more than ever. Featured Quotes: “You've got to be willing to kick your sources right in the balls if necessary, even if they're your friends.” “Politician lied is not really the story—focus on what impacts people's lives.” “To have meaningful conversations, you have to put down your weapons and see the humanity in the other person.” Resources Mentioned: The Julie Mason Show on SiriusXM's POTUS Channel – www.siriusxm.com/channels/potus-politics  Substack Recommendations: The Great Transformation with Mike Madrid Tom LoBianco's 24Sight Oliver Darcy's Substack The Contrarian by Jennifer Rubin and Laurence Tribe Dirty John Podcast – Listen Here Call to Action Support on Patreon - www.patreon.com/politicsandreligion  Watch on YouTube - www.youtube.com/@politicsandreligion  Leave a Review for TP&R - ratethispodcast.com/goodfaithpolitics  Proud to be part of The Democracy Group - www.democracygroup.org/shows/talkin-politics-religion  Social Media Links @coreysnathan: Bluesky LinkedIn Instagram Threads Facebook @julesdc Facebook Our Sponsor Meza Wealth Management: www.mezawealth.com

In this episode, host Corey Nathan addresses the pressing issue of how pro-democracy patriots - the large coalition of folks who believe in this American experiment - can endure during times when anti-democratic tendencies are metastasizing. Drawing from personal experiences, philosophical insights, and cultural reflections, we explore ways of maintaining hope, practicing discernment, and fostering meaningful connections amid political division. What We Discuss: Strategies for practicing discernment in consuming media and news. The importance of mindfulness and staying present in times of uncertainty. How local and state-level civic participation can make a meaningful impact. Insights into nurturing relationships with those holding differing political views. The role of beauty, truth, and community in sustaining democratic ideals. Episode Highlights: [00:00:00] Introduction: Corey shares updates on a recent wildfire evacuation and gratitude for firefighters' efforts. [00:03:00] Pro-Democracy Patriots: Corey explores how individuals committed to democracy can stay engaged and positive during anti-democratic times. [00:06:00] Reflecting on MLK Day: The significance of Martin Luther King Jr.'s legacy and the moral universe's arc bending toward justice. [00:10:00] Media Discernment: Corey discusses how he filters through news and commentary to focus on credible journalism and meaningful content. [00:19:00] Practicing Mindfulness: The importance of staying present in the moment to avoid spiraling into anxiety. [00:22:00] Truth and Beauty: A reflection on Kristen du Mez's advice to seek out beauty and truth for strength and grounding. [00:27:00] Navigating Relationships: Balancing relationships with those holding differing political views while maintaining personal boundaries. [00:28:00] Local Civic Engagement: Why local and state politics deserve more attention and how they affect daily life more significantly than federal issues. Featured Quotes: “The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice.” – Reflecting on MLK Jr.'s wisdom. “Practicing discernment means filtering out the junk from the substance and focusing on credible voices.” – Corey Nathan. “You can still love people who disagree with you—sometimes from a safe distance.” – Corey Nathan. “Truth is about staying generous in a world that baits you into resentment.” – Kristen Du Mez. Call to Action Support on Patreon Watch on YouTube Leave a Review for TP&R Proud to be part of The Democracy Group Social Media Links @coreysnathan: Bluesky LinkedIn Instagram Threads Facebook Our Sponsor Meza Wealth Management: www.mezawealth.com

Is there a church that can be for the rest of us? Are we living in a "post-evangelical" world?   In this episode, we welcome Joe Smith, lead pastor of Shift GNV in Gainesville, Florida, and host of the Shift Happens Podcast. Known for creating "a church for the rest of us," Joe shares his journey through faith deconstruction and reconstruction, building a community for those feeling spiritually homeless in a post-evangelical world. The conversation explores his innovative ministry, personal experiences, and the broader implications of inclusivity and resistance in modern faith communities.   Episode Highlights [00:01:00] - Corey introduces Joe Smith and dives into his work at Shift GNV, emphasizing the concept of "a church for the rest of us." [00:02:30] - Joe explains the origins and purpose of Shift GNV, creating a safe space for people navigating post-evangelical spirituality. [00:06:00] - Defining "post-evangelical" and reflecting on the societal shift away from rigid evangelical structures. [00:14:30] - Joe recounts his personal experience with religious trauma, including grappling with the fear-based teachings of his upbringing. [00:23:00] - The transformative impact of fatherhood on Joe's beliefs about gender roles and inclusion. [00:34:00] - A modern perspective on the parable of the Good Samaritan and its application to societal divisions today. [00:41:00] - Joe's views on resisting MAGA ideologies and the responsibility of faith communities to challenge injustice. [00:52:00] - Introducing the Post Evangelical Collective (PEC) and its role in fostering forward-thinking, inclusive church practices. Featured Quotes "If I believe that God is love, then this [fear-based compulsion] doesn't produce good fruit—it can't be of God." "Jesus wasn't scandalous for who he excluded, but for who he included." "My belonging to God isn't complete until I understand my belonging to you." "The boundaries I set are the best way to love you and myself simultaneously." Resources Mentioned Shift GNV: Shift Church Gainesville Shift Happens Podcast: Podcast Link Post Evangelical Collective: Learn More Here Recommended Reading: After Evangelicalism by Dr. David Gushee. Call to Action Support on Patreon Watch on YouTube Leave a Review for TP&R Proud to be part of The Democracy Group Social Media Links Corey Nathan (@coreysnathan): Bluesky LinkedIn Instagram Threads Facebook Joe Smith Bluesky (@therealjoesmith.bsky.social) Instagram (@therealjoe.smith) Threads (@therealjoe.smith)   Our Sponsors Meza Wealth Management: www.mezawealth.com

What has our response been to the wildfires in Los Angeles? Frankly, it's brought out some of the worst of us. But thankfully, there have also been many heroes from LA's firefighters and firefighters who came here from neighboring counties and states, to other countries including Mexico and Canada who lent manpower, vehicles and equipment, to everyday people who've offered up their homes, food and time to help in any way they can.   In this special edition of TP&R, we take a look at the devastating wildfires in Los Angeles. Corey shares personal experiences living near the affected areas in Santa Clarita and reflects on the dual nature of humanity's response—highlighting both acts of compassion and the spread of harmful misinformation. Corey calls attention to how political leaders and media figures handle disasters, the role of conspiracy theories, and how communities can unite in the face of adversity.   Episode Highlights: [00:01:00] Corey shares his firsthand experience with the high winds and proximity to the Hearst Fire in Sylmar. [00:03:00] Personal stories of friends and neighbors who lost homes or were displaced by the fires. [00:05:00] Discussion on Yair Rosenberg's article about conspiracy theories surrounding the wildfires. [00:07:00] Critique of political leaders exploiting the disaster for political gain, specifically Donald Trump and Speaker Mike Johnson. [00:10:00] Praise for Congressman Chuck Edwards' efforts to combat misinformation following Hurricane Helene. [00:12:00] The role of media figures like Tucker Carlson, Matt Walsh and Dan Bongino in spreading divisive rhetoric. [00:17:00] Practical ways to support wildfire victims, including offering shelter, donations, and volunteering. [00:20:00] Encouragement to be part of "the best of us" through compassionate actions.   Featured Quotes: "Healthy communities ask themselves, what did we do wrong? Unhealthy ones ask, who did this to us?" – Yair Rosenberg "When did capitalizing on devastating natural disasters to score political points become a thing?" – Corey Nathan "Most people have done the right thing—neighbors looking out for neighbors, friends checking in with friends." – Corey Nathan "The ministry of 'that sucks'—sometimes the best thing you can do is just listen and be there." – Corey Nathan   Resources Mentioned: American Red Cross California Fire Foundation Charity Navigator Support on Patreon Watch on YouTube Leave a Review for TP&R Yair Rosenberg's Atlantic Piece Rep. Chuck Edwards - Debunking Helene Response Myths Scott Galloway's No Mercy / No Malice   Call to Action: If you appreciate the thoughtful conversations we're fostering here, please subscribe, leave a review, and share the show with friends. Your support helps us continue discussing important topics with gentleness and respect. Check us out on YouTube and support us on Patreon.   Social Media Links: Corey Nathan (@coreysnathan): Bluesky LinkedIn Instagram Threads Facebook   Our Sponsors Meza Wealth Management: www.mezawealth.com  

When there's such chaos amd divisiveness all around us, what can we do to cultivate a sense of hope and humanity?   In this episode, we welcome back Wajahat Ali, celebrated writer, editor of The Left Hook Substack, co-host of Democracy-ish Podcast, and author. Known for his humor and insight, Waj brings his unique perspective as a father, storyteller, and political commentator to discuss navigating the tumultuous political and social landscape of 2025. Together, Corey and Wajahat dive deep into themes of decency, empathy, and how to cultivate hope amid chaos. Episode Highlights: [00:02:00] Wajahat muses about earning a "Five Timer Club" t-shirt. [00:04:00] Discussion on the California wildfires and the politicization of natural disasters. [00:06:00] Wajahat analyzes the blame game targeting DEI initiatives in crisis situations. [00:09:00] Corey and Wajahat explore the role of empathy and decency in politics. [00:11:00] Wajahat reflects on hope during his daughter's cancer journey and how that translates to political resilience. [00:16:00] Star Wars analogy: How everyday people (the "Ewoks") can fight against authoritarianism. [00:22:00] A candid discussion on America's historical resistance to progress and how that impacts the current political climate. [00:35:00] The importance of rest and joy in sustaining activism and engagement. [00:54:00] Wajahat's advice on engaging with people across ideological divides—when to plant seeds of change and when to walk away. Featured Quotes: "Hope is optimism with action. It's believing in a better story but doing your part to get there." – Wajahat Ali "You can't save everyone. The caravan must move forward, but the doors remain open." – Wajahat Ali "We could have been so much better, and we chose this." – Wajahat Ali "One conversation with one person can create a ripple effect. Even a one-degree shift can matter." – Corey Nathan Resources We're on YouTube! https://www.youtube.com/@politicsandreligion Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other is part of The Democracy Group, a network of podcasts that examines what's broken in our democracy and how we can work together to fix it. Join our community on Patreon! https://www.patreon.com/politicsandreligion It would mean so much if you could leave us a review: https://ratethispodcast.com/goodfaithpolitics Please support our sponsor Meza Wealth Management: www.mezawealth.com How to find Waj The Left Hook | https://thelefthook.substack.com/ Democracy-ish | https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/democracy-ish/id1473376303 Bluesky | https://bsky.app/profile/wajali.bsky.social

As we welcome in a new year, what is this moment about? What have we been leading up to? And what will the coming months and years be about?    In this episode, Corey reflects on the importance of democracy and decency in today's polarized climate. Emphasizing respectful dialogue and the significance of national and local political involvement, we explore the impact of the election and the ongoing challenges posed by political divisiveness. We delve into insights from notable essays and personal experiences, advocating for voting, recognizing the humanity in others, and knowing when to step away from unproductive conversations. Join us in the commitment to have more basic decency and to respect our democratic institutions.   Episode Highlights [00:00:00] Intro: The intersection of democracy and decency. [00:03:00] Discusses the significance of respecting election results for a healthy democracy. [00:05:00] Explores how many voters are motivated by opposition to perceived threats from the other side. [00:06:00] Highlights Masha Gessen's insights on liberal democracy versus populism. [00:08:00] Corey shares personal experiences with online threats related to political discourse. [00:10:00] Emphasizes the importance of modeling proper behavior after elections. [00:12:00] Reflects on David Brooks' perspective on understanding people in all their complexities. [00:14:00] Discusses knowing when to disengage from toxic interactions to preserve well-being.   We're on YouTube!  https://www.youtube.com/@politicsandreligion   Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other is part of The Democracy Group, a network of podcasts that examines what's broken in our democracy and how we can work together to fix it.   We're on Patreon! Join the community:  https://www.patreon.com/politicsandreligion   It would mean so much if you could leave us a review:  https://ratethispodcast.com/goodfaithpolitics    Please support our sponsor Meza Wealth Management: www.mezawealth.com

(Given that yesterday was the 4 year anniversary of Jan. 6, 2021, an attempted violent disruption of the peaceful transfer of power, one of our nation's most cherished traditions, we thought it would be a good time to refresh our conversation with Prof. Danielle Allen who has been ensconced in the work of renovating our democratic institutions.)   Our democracy is brittle. Many would say our Constitutional Republic is in trouble. So what kind of work can we do on "actually renovating our institutions"?   We were fortunate to be joined by Dr. Danielle Allen, a democracy advocate, Harvard professor and nonprofit leader who's doing something about it. We talked about how to maintain a loving spirit when faced with "a lot of bleeps"; Danielle's fascinating family legacy and her "obsession" with democracy; what the heck a eudaemonist democratic pragmatist is; the ways the 5 freedoms articulated in the 1st Amendment are under threat; the merits of ranked choice voting, expanding the House of Representatives and other democratic renovations; the imperative of developing a civic portfolio; and how to "not let our differences take our humanity hostage."   Prof. Danielle Allen is James Bryant Conant University Professor at Harvard University. She is a professor of political philosophy, ethics, and public policy and director of the Democratic Knowledge Project and of the Allen Lab for Democracy Renovation. Outside the University, she is a co-chair for the Our Common Purpose Commission and Founder and President for Partners In Democracy, where she advocates for democracy reform to create greater voice and access in our democracy, and to drive progress towards a new social contract that serves and includes us all.   We're on YouTube!  https://www.youtube.com/@politicsandreligion   Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other is part of The Democracy Group, a network of podcasts that examines what's broken in our democracy and how we can work together to fix it.   We're on Patreon! Join the community:  https://www.patreon.com/politicsandreligion   It would mean so much if you could leave us a review:  https://ratethispodcast.com/goodfaithpolitics    Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other is part of The Democracy Group, a network of podcasts that examines what's broken in our democracy and how we can work together to fix it.   Please support our sponsor Meza Wealth Management: www.mezawealth.com   Be sure to read Danielle's series in the Washington Post on How to Renovate American Democracy: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/01/31/danielle-allen-american-democracy-renovation-series/

(Getting to speak with Anne Applebaum was such an honor. She's not only one of the world's most prominent historians and writers, Anne's focus on the fragility of democracy and emerging autocracies couldn't be more timely.)   In the 20th Century, we had Cold War adversaries. In the early 2000s, George W. Bush talked about the Axis of Evil. But are those frameworks the most accurate way to understand the forces attempting to undermine not just democratic nations but democratic ideas? And to what degree have these antagonists - those that are fundamentally opposed to our core principles such as the freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of assembly and basic human rights - pervaded U.S. politics?   In this episode we welcome Anne Applebaum, Pulitzer-prize winning historian, staff writer at The Atlantic and senior fellow at the Agora Institute at Johns Hopkins University. After discussing her motivations, experiences, and insights into the autocratic regimes and their impacts on global democracy, we dive into Anne's new book Autocracy, Inc.: The Dictators Who Want to Run the World. We explore how autocracies collaborate, ways the rest of the world is complicit in autocratic behaviors, and strategies to combat these influences. The conversation also touches on Anne's personal history and initial fascination with the history, literature, culture and politics of the “Borderlands,” a region that includes Poland, Belarus, Ukraine, Russia and beyond.   01:53 Anne's Early Career and Inspirations 16:29 The Concept of Autocracy, Inc. 29:44 Global Complicity in Autocracy 34:39 Hamas and Global Destabilization 37:05 Trump's Influence and Dictator Admiration 39:17 Russian Propaganda and Dark Money in US Politics 42:37 Autocracy, Inc. and Democratic Values 52:43 Engaging in Local Politics and Understanding the Big Picture   anneapplebaum.substack.com   www.anneapplebaum.com/book/autocracy   AUTOCRACY IN AMERICA podcast - www.theatlantic.com/podcasts/archive/2024/08/introducing-autocracy-in-america/679474/   We're on YouTube!  https://www.youtube.com/@politicsandreligion   Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other is part of The Democracy Group, a network of podcasts that examines what's broken in our democracy and how we can work together to fix it.   We're on Patreon! Join the community:  https://www.patreon.com/politicsandreligion   It would mean so much if you could leave us a review:  https://ratethispodcast.com/goodfaithpolitics    Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other is part of The Democracy Group, a network of podcasts that examines what's broken in our democracy and how we can work together to fix it.   Please support our sponsor Meza Wealth Management: www.mezawealth.com

(Speaking with Nancy was such a highlight of this year. In addition to all we discussed in this raw, beautiful, candid, downright funny conversation, I'm glad to report that subsequent to when we spoke, Nancy was able to "ring the bell" as a cancer survivor!)   We're joined by author, essayist, investigative journalist and the gloriously feral Nancy French. We discuss Nancy's new memoir, GHOSTED: AN AMERICAN STORY, which involves deeply personal topics such as her experiences with sexual abuse, faith struggles, being a ghostwriter for politicians, and increasing political turmoil. Nancy also talks about navigating her long-standing personal and professional relationships amid the Trumpification of the Republican party; how the party has drifted away from folks like her even though Nancy's positions and philosophy haven't changed; and how her Christian faith has played a significant role in the journey. We also candidly explore the dynamics of interpersonal relationships, the complexities in religious institutions, and being resilient in troubled times.   Nancy French is a five-time New York Times bestselling author, essayist, investigative journalist, and storyteller at the Moth. She's published op-eds and articles in the Washington Post, USA Today, Time and many other publications. Her investigative journalism into abuse at Kanakuk Kamps appeared on the front page of USA Today. Nancy is also the co-author of The After Party with friend of the pod Curtis Chang and she's the author of the new memoir GHOSTED: AN AMERICAN STORY.   01:20 Nancy French: A Brief Introduction;  05:14 The Art of Ghostwriting;  09:53 The Journey of Discovery and Art;  13:45 The Struggles of Writing Your Own Story;  19:38 The Challenges of Confronting Past Abuse;  31:10 The Power of Love and Relationships;  37:47 The Struggle with Faith and the Church;  40:25 Reflections on Christian Faith and History;  41:16 Experiences of Divine Intervention;  42:07 Discussing Faith with Non-Believers;  46:19 Political Writing and Its Consequences;  50:12 The Shift in Political Identity (Despite Not Having Changed);  52:11 The Impact of Political Polarization;  55:34 The Power of Human Connection Across Differences   We're on YouTube!  https://www.youtube.com/@politicsandreligion     Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other is part of The Democracy Group, a network of podcasts that examines what's broken in our democracy and how we can work together to fix it.   We're on Patreon! Join the community:  https://www.patreon.com/politicsandreligion   It would mean so much if you could leave us a review:  https://ratethispodcast.com/goodfaithpolitics    Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other is part of The Democracy Group, a network of podcasts that examines what's broken in our democracy and how we can work together to fix it.   Please support our sponsor Meza Wealth Management: www.mezawealth.com   You can find Corey on all the socials @coreysnathan such as bsky.app/profile/coreysnathan.bsky.social   www.nancyfrench.com   GHOSTED on Amazon - https://amzn.to/49tSNzO   www.threads.net/@nancyjanefrench

Yeah, this ages well. Seriously... This conversation with Bill Kristol was from April of this year. Some of the discussion applied to that moment in time (eg. bemoaning the Mets tepid start to the 2024 season); but much of it still applies even given the outcome of the latest election. With that, here are the notes from one of our "Best of 2024" conversations...   Are REPUBLICAN VOTERS AGAINST TRUMP our greatest BULWARK against authoritarianism and the most significant constituency in DEFENDING DEMOCRACY TOGETHER? (Dad jokes about the future of our Constitutional Republic aside...) Bill Kristol shares his thoughts on the state of our democracy and how this year's consequential election is shaping up.   We're on YouTube!  https://www.youtube.com/@politicsandreligion   So glad to be joined again by Bill Kristol, Editor at Large of The Bulwark; Director of Defending Democracy Together; and Host of Conversations with Bill Kristol. We took time to reflect on Bill's early political experiences, including his roles in the Reagan and George H.W. Bush administrations, his academic career, and his work with the Project for the Republican Future. We also touch on our shared passion for baseball, particularly for the New York Mets! We then delve into Bill's critical views on the Trump presidency, the rise of authoritarianism, and the importance of defending liberal democracy. He shares insights into his efforts with the Republican Voters Against Trump initiative and the importance of bipartisan engagement in preserving democratic norms. We then discuss the impact of social and political polarization, the significance of grassroots activism, and the need for open, exploratory dialogue across ideological divides. We wind down with Bill emphasizing the resilience of the American political system and the potential for positive change through collective action and constructive discourse.   00:52 Meet Bill Kristol: A Storied Career in Politics;  01:58 Baseball and Politics: A Personal Connection;  04:09 Navigating Political Ideologies: From Youth to Present;  05:41 The Evolution of Political Beliefs and the Impact of External Changes;  10:18 The Threat of Illiberalism and the Defense of Liberal Democracy;  15:21 Exploring the Dangers of Trumpism and Authoritarian Tendencies;  26:56 The Role of Intellectuals and Voters in Shaping Political Futures;  33:59 The Impact of Testimonials from Former Trump Voters;  34:53 The Strategy Behind Targeting Swing Voters;  35:54 Challenges and Strategies in Political Advertising;  36:55 Building a Broad Coalition Against Trump;  42:09 The Role of Money in Politics and Campaign Strategies;  44:34 Fostering Careers and Nurturing Talent in Politics;  50:43 The Evolution of Political Discourse and Outreach;  54:36 Final Thoughts on Political Engagement and Hope   We're on Patreon! Join the community:  https://www.patreon.com/politicsandreligion   It would mean so much if you could leave us a review:  https://ratethispodcast.com/goodfaithpolitics    Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other is part of The Democracy Group, a network of podcasts that examines what's broken in our democracy and how we can work together to fix it.   Please support our sponsor Meza Wealth Management: www.mezawealth.com   You can find Corey on all the socials @coreysnathan such as bsky.app/profile/coreysnathan.bsky.social and www.threads.net/@coreysnathan.   www.thebulwark.com   www.defendingdemocracytogether.org   bsky.app/profile/billkristolbulwark.bsky.social

Are science and belief in God incompatible? Dr. Francis S. Collins, renowned for having led the Human Genome Project and the former Director of the National Institutes of Health (NIH), says science and faith are two different ways of understanding God's creation.   We dove right in and had so much to explore! His father's folk music collection that is a true national treasure;  Connecting music with the mysteries of the universe both as a scientist and a person of faith;  An encounter with a heart patient that led Dr. Collins to his faith in Christ;  How he got the job to lead the Human Genome Project (no, it wasn't an answer to an ad on Craigslist);  Leading the NIH during a worldwide pandemic;  The ongoing harrassment and even death threats he and his colleagues at NIH have had to endure;  Struggling to understand the emergence of the anti-vax movement;  Nurturing relationships with folks who hold very different views such as the late Christopher Hitchens;  The BioLogos Foundation;  And the most interesting book club in the world!   Dr. Francis Collins is the former director of the National Institutes of Health. And was the longest serving director of NIH — spanning 12 years and three (very different) presidencies. Dr. Collins is a physician-geneticist noted for his landmark discoveries of disease genes and his leadership of the international Human Genome Project, which culminated in April 2003 with the completion of a finished sequence of the human DNA instruction book. Dr. Collins' research laboratory has discovered a number of important genes, including those responsible for cystic fibrosis, Huntington's disease, a familial endocrine cancer syndrome and, most recently, genes for type 2 diabetes among others. Dr. Collins was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom in November 2007 and the National Medal of Science in 2009.   We're on YouTube!  https://www.youtube.com/@politicsandreligion     Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other is part of The Democracy Group, a network of podcasts that examines what's broken in our democracy and how we can work together to fix it.   We're on Patreon! Join the community:  https://www.patreon.com/politicsandreligion   It would mean so much if you could leave us a review:  https://ratethispodcast.com/goodfaithpolitics    Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other is part of The Democracy Group, a network of podcasts that examines what's broken in our democracy and how we can work together to fix it.   Please support our sponsor Meza Wealth Management: www.mezawealth.com   You can find Corey on all the socials @coreysnathan such as bsky.app/profile/coreysnathan.bsky.social   biologos.org/

(This was one of my favorite conversations of 2024 partly because Tom and I both did our best Robert DeNiro impressions toward the end.) Let's talk candidly about why Gov. Josh Shapiro of PA wasn't chosen as Kamala Harris's running mate. Let's also assess the merits and potential drawbacks of Gov. Tim Walz of MN as the Democratic VP candidate. Oh, and while we're at it, how's that J.D. Vance pick working out for the Trump campaign?   We're on YouTube!  https://www.youtube.com/@politicsandreligion   We're joined by Tom Nichols, staff writer at The Atlantic and professor emeritus of national-security affairs at the U.S. Naval War College, to discuss all of this and more! We get into Tom's background in a working-class family, his educational journey, and his career in academia. Tom also discusses his views on democracy, international security, and challenges in contemporary politics. We get to reflect on Tom's Greek Orthodox faith and how it shapes his beliefs, while contrasting his temperamentally and philosophically conservative outlook with the current stance of the Republican Party. Additionally, Tom offers insights on the importance of a balanced media diet in today's political landscape. And since Tom is a 5x Jeopardy champion, we do a little Robert DeNiro-inspired Jeopardy at the end!   03:30 Tom Nichols' Background and Upbringing 07:49 Influence of Church and Community 10:49 Orthodox Christianity and Politics 19:51 Political Philosophy and Conservatism 25:49 Discussion on Israel and U.S. Politics 32:56 Debating the Choice Between Shapiro and Walz 33:49 Tim Walz: The Normal Guy in Politics 36:24 Tim Walz's Background and Achievements 40:09 JD Vance: A Controversial Figure 46:40 Kamala Harris's Electability and Political Evolution 53:29 Media Consumption and Political Discourse   We're on Patreon! Join the community:  https://www.patreon.com/politicsandreligion   It would mean so much if you could leave us a review:  https://ratethispodcast.com/goodfaithpolitics    Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other is part of The Democracy Group, a network of podcasts that examines what's broken in our democracy and how we can work together to fix it.   Please support our sponsor Meza Wealth Management: www.mezawealth.com   You can find Corey on all the socials @coreysnathan such as bsky.app/profile/coreysnathan.bsky.social   www.theatlantic.com/newsletters/daily   www.threads.net/@radiofreetom

“All who entered the Temple Mount entered by the right, circled to the right and exited by the left, except for one to whom something had happened, who entered and circled to the left...” (Mishnah Middot)   We're on YouTube!  https://www.youtube.com/@politicsandreligion   Rabbi Sharon Brous, the founding rabbi of IKAR and author of THE AMEN EFFECT, delves into ancient Jewish rituals, the role of pain in human connections, and the transformative power of compassion and curiosity. Through heartfelt stories and profound insights, she explores the importance of staying engaged with those who challenge us and how communities can support each other in moments of deep sorrow and joy. The discussion also touches upon inclusivity in Jewish worship, dealing with vicarious trauma, navigating hard conversations such as differences over what's happening in Israel and the results of the U.S. election, and the significance of asking and truly listening to Malakh: "tell me about your heart."   00:52 Introducing Rabbi Sharon Brous 01:21 Exploring the Mishnah Middot 04:05 The Power of Ritual and Compassion 06:53 Personal Reflections on Sin and Mental Health 11:49 The Role of Community and Vulnerability 17:41 Balancing Leadership and Personal Burdens 24:22 Innovative Practices at IKAR 36:53 Challenges and Changes in Jewish Leadership 38:47 Navigating Differences in a Diverse Congregation 39:53 The Power of Curiosity and Compassion 47:05 The Importance of Staying at the Table   We're on Patreon! Join the community:  https://www.patreon.com/politicsandreligion   It would mean so much if you could leave us a review:  https://ratethispodcast.com/goodfaithpolitics    Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other is part of The Democracy Group, a network of podcasts that examines what's broken in our democracy and how we can work together to fix it.   Please support our sponsor Meza Wealth Management: www.mezawealth.com   You can find Corey on all the socials @coreysnathan such as bsky.app/profile/coreysnathan.bsky.social   ikar.org   ikar.org/the-amen-effect/the-big-idea

How should we respond to the election? Fight? Surrender? Or is there another way? Let's "Meet the Majority" and see if we can figure it out!   We're on YouTube!  https://www.youtube.com/@politicsandreligion   As part of our "Meet the Majority" series, this is a candid conversation on ideological differences, election surprises, and friendship. In this episode, Corey sits down with his long-time friend Brandon to explore their differing political views and the implications of recent elections. Corey explains the importance of maintaining relationships and having open dialogue despite political differences. Brandon, a staunch Republican, shares his life story, professional background, and family history. He discusses his views on national security, the shortcomings of the far left, and the influence of Trumpism on American politics and the church. Both Corey and Brandon delve into the complexities of being in the political middle today, their concerns about the future, and the need for more constructive discourse. The conversation highlights the importance of listening and understanding different perspectives to foster better relationships and navigate the current political landscape.   00:49 Meet the Majority Series: Background and Purpose 03:42 Brandon's Background and Political Views 07:19 Discussion on Liberalism and Conservatism 11:34 The Middle Ground in Politics 17:11 Concerns About Trump and the Future of the Republican Party 26:28 Impact of Trumpism on the American Church 28:24 Debating Presidential Impact and Religious Influence 30:26 Supreme Court and the Conservative Legal Movement 33:10 Navigating Political Differences and Building Relationships 37:25 Reflecting on Political Identity and Middle Ground 50:08 Concluding Thoughts and Future Conversations   We're on Patreon! Join the community:  https://www.patreon.com/politicsandreligion   It would mean so much if you could leave us a review:  https://ratethispodcast.com/goodfaithpolitics    Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other is part of The Democracy Group, a network of podcasts that examines what's broken in our democracy and how we can work together to fix it.   Please support our sponsor Meza Wealth Management: www.mezawealth.com   You can find Corey on all the socials @coreysnathan such as bsky.app/profile/coreysnathan.bsky.social

Is there any coherence to Trumpism from a policy standpoint? Public policy expert, Lanhee Chen, says coherence is overrated... at least at this moment.    We're on YouTube!  https://www.youtube.com/@politicsandreligion   In this conversation with Lanhee Chen, we explore some hard questions in today's fraught political moment. As a key policy advisor to both Mitt Romney and Marco Rubio on their respective presidential campaigns, how can candidates and elected officials balance political considerations and policy priorities? Is there a place for a "compassionate conservative" in today's Republican Party? Is there a place for conservatives in today's California? We also discuss key moments that influenced Lanhee's career, his conservative philosophy shaped by early experiences, and significant milestones like running for statewide office in California as a Republican. Lanhee shares insights into political coherence, the impact of electoral processes, and his stance on contemporary issues such as regulatory policies and international relations.   Lanhee Chen is a widely respected public policy expert who has advised numerous high-profile Republican candidates and served as a presidential appointee in both Republican and Democratic administrations. He is currently the David and Diane Steffy Fellow in American Public Policy Studies at the Hoover Institution, as well as the Director of Domestic Policy Studies and Lecturer in the Public Policy Program at Stanford University.   00:53 Guest Introduction: Lanhee Chen 01:36 Lanhee Chen's Early Interest in Politics 03:56 Formulating a Conservative Philosophy 09:06 Working with Mitt Romney 14:27 Challenges in Modern Politics 17:42 The State of California Politics 21:50 Advice for New Politicians 24:23 Impact of Electoral Processes 28:45 Electoral Reforms and Future Outlook 32:01 The Rise of Neopopulism in American Politics 34:43 Assessing Trumpism and Policy Coherence 37:34 Hope and Concerns for the Upcoming Administration 39:45 Reflecting on Biden's Legislative Accomplishments 46:49 Final Thoughts and Future Plans   We're on Patreon! Join the community:  https://www.patreon.com/politicsandreligion   It would mean so much if you could leave us a review:  https://ratethispodcast.com/goodfaithpolitics    Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other is part of The Democracy Group, a network of podcasts that examines what's broken in our democracy and how we can work together to fix it.   Please support our sponsor Meza Wealth Management: www.mezawealth.com   You can find Corey on all the socials @coreysnathan such as bsky.app/profile/coreysnathan.bsky.social   www.hoover.org/profiles/lanhee-j-chen