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Welcome to the LinkedIn Ads Show. Show resources: LinkedIn Learning course about LinkedIn Ads by AJ Wilcox: LinkedIn Advertising Course Contact us at Podcast@B2Linked.com with ideas for what you'd like AJ to cover. Transcript: LinkedIn targeting is the reason we're willing to pay LinkedIn premium prices. Oh, you know we're about to get geeky today. Welcome to the LinkedIn Ads show. Here's your host, AJ Wilcox. 0:21 Hey there LinkedIn Ads fanatics! Today we're taking a deep dive into the targeting facets on LinkedIn. And I'm about to brain dump on you. If you were one of the ones who loved episode three because of how geeky we got into the history of LinkedIn Ads. I think you're gonna like this one just as much. I'm going to cover each available type of targeting that LinkedIn has to offer. Yes, all 24, and we'll discuss #1) how accurate the targeting is, #2) how it's useful, and then #3) any gotchas or nuances that you should know about or care about as you're using it. We'll also talk about how it's derived. And we'll also target the targeting facets in order presented in campaign manager so you can follow right along. Alright, let's hit it. 1:05 First up in the news, the COVID-19 pandemic is causing a lot of advertisers to pull back. I hear from those who are heavy on Facebook ads that this is something that has caused prices to significantly drop on Facebook. On LinkedIn, we are seeing advertisers pull back so you're seeing maybe slight decreases in CPMs or CPCs. You may see an increase in traffic as more and more people are working from home. And maybe there's some unrest about potential layoffs. And so they might be using LinkedIn to maybe line up their next job or check and see other opportunities. So this is a great time to be advertising on LinkedIn, because it's my belief that B2B will always move a little bit slower than B2C. So I'm guessing that b2b will recover much quicker and probably won't take as much of a hit. So right now, while costs are a little bit depressed, now is a good thing. To be running ads, and starting those conversations with people who are maybe these are longer sales cycles. So you're starting the relationship now, and not asking immediately for a demo. For any type of advertising where you are asking directly for a demo, let's say it's search ads, or maybe you are using LinkedIn as a bottom of funnel type of platform, then yeah, I think now would be a good time to either pull budget or pull back. But if you're using LinkedIn as intended to capture audience attention, and start to nurture that relationship with something like, you know, free content, gated assets, that kind of thing. Now's a really good time to continue to spend while your competitors are all fearful. All right, as we move into targeting here, LinkedIn has the most detailed business targeting of any platform on the planet. We've talked about that before. I love the fact that it's so scalable, it's access to this audience, pretty much for anyone who's a white collar professional. Plus, it was purpose built showcasing your professional self. So it's the first and sometimes only place you go to tell when you change positions. I like to joke that LinkedIn is the second person to know when I make a career change after I tell my wife. It's got unprecedented scale, since platforms like Facebook come and go with popularity. But LinkedIn is a constant. I like to call it a low level hum. LinkedIn doesn't always make a lot of noise, but it's always there and always useful. And because of that low level hum, it always seems useful, and it seems immune to pop culture attention. So while Facebooks will come and go and become the Myspaces, I think LinkedIn is here for the long haul. There's no other platform that can replace it. The way you will notice the unprecedented scale is it's really rare when one of our clients has a budget that we can't actually spend on their very ideal target audience. So that tells you the extent of the scale you get with LinkedIn, with these white collar professionals. Certainly if you're targeting someone who maybe LinkedIn isn't a perfect fit for, like, let's say something like door to door salespeople, maybe you're trying to recruit them. They're out knocking on doors all day long and so they're not in front of a computer. But for the most part, it's really not hard to spend any sort of budget you have on the perfect audience on LinkedIn. Now, as for how LinkedIn derives each of these targeting methods, we'll dive into that. And there are three main types. LinkedIn has a lot of the first two, and is starting to incorporate more of the third. So these types are Explicit Targeting, which means you're specifically told LinkedIn something about you. Then there's Implicit or Implied Targeting, meaning that the platform looked at something that you did give it and derived or guessed something about. And then the third is where there might be a behavioral an observational bent to this data. So LinkedIn may know something about you because of actions you take on the platform, not necessarily what you told it in an open field, or anything that it derived from something else. So each of these targeting types, I'll let you know whether it's derived explicitly, meaning it's going to be very accurate. Or maybe it's implicit, were based off of something you did give the platform, they're gonna make a guess about you, and it won't be as accurate, but likely, you'll get a lot more scale. We'll also talk about inclusion and exclusion in the targeting. Now, inclusion makes audiences smaller and much more targeted in general. I like to think of exclusions as just cutting out the pieces that you don't want. Like if you've ever been cutting a potato or peeling a potato, and it's got a few bad spots. exclusion on LinkedIn is a lot like cutting off those bad spots of the potato. And even just this year, we got access to Boolean targeting, which gives us the ability to specify and targeting or, or targeting now, and they will make your audience tighter, you could say something like, I want this job title, and this company size. And that means you will only get the people who have that exact job title, and are also at a company of that size. If you use or targeting, you're going to make your audiences much broader. And an example here that we've actually used would be something like we want this job title, or if you're a member of this group. And the reason you might want to do that is maybe there aren't enough job titles, or people who own that job title to spend your budget. But maybe if you have that job title, you're just as relevant as someone who went and joined a specific group about that topic that might give you the targeting you want. Back in episode two, we talked about the difference between targeting the right company versus the right individual. And for my experience, most of the time, we're combining these we want the right ideal role in the right type of company. And I like to use the example if you told me your ideal target audience are CFOs, but your product costs $1,200 dollars a month, I would tell you that you are your target audience is certainly CFOs, but not a two person company. So you'd want to combine larger companies that could actually afford what it was you were selling with the right role who would feel that pain point and you'd be able to help them out. The most useful filters for targeting people with roles are job title, job function, which is someone's department, their level of seniority skills on their profile, and groups that their members have. So those are my star five, that's my dream team have role filters. Then you have the company filters that will allow you to target things like company size by number of employees, the industry someone is in or their company is in, as well as company name for you account based marketing advertisers out there. Alright, let's break through each of the different targeting types, starting with geography. Now this is the only required targeting type. LinkedIn from the very beginning has always made you select a geography. So if you don't care about geography, you're okay with this worldwide, then you will have to specifically select all seven continents. This is definitely explicit targeting. On someone's profile, they will list where their geography is and this has recently been updated now with all of Microsoft and Bing's geolocation data. So it used to be that here in the state of Utah, we had two major metro area. There was Salt Lake, Metro up North and Provo Metro down South. And if you didn't want to target one of those two, you just have to target the whole state. Well, now with Microsoft and Bing's break down data, and this is already rolled out, you've already got access to this, you can target all the way down to the specific city, I would expect to have maybe difficulties with targeting people by granular areas like cities, at least for the next few years. Because when people originally set up their profile, they got to choose a metro area. Like for instance, I work with people outside of the state of Utah and all over the world. So even though I don't live right in the city of Salt Lake City, I still live in Salt Lake City metro as it's more recognizable. I actually work in a city called Lehi, which if you know Utah is the tech hub of the state, and I love it, but if you're not familiar, you may question if someone in a city called Lehi is actually good at what they do that this could be some Podunk town out in the sticks, you'd never know. So as long as people are actually updating their profile geography, then targeting all the way down to the city level will make sense In the future, right now, I think there will be a lag of people who originally set up their profile in a metro and haven't yet updated to a specific city. So you'll probably want to target a little bit more broadly, at least until that catches up. Then we get into the matched audiences. Now, there are three different kinds of matched audiences a fourth of you want to get real particular here. And we'll start with an email list upload. Now, this was something we got access to back in 2017. One of my favorite features on the platform, you can upload a CSV or an Excel sheet of up to 300,000 emails. And these can be either raw emails, or they can match a 256 Sha, an encrypted list of how email addresses might be obfuscated. So if you're working with an agency, for instance, and you don't want to give them a list, like let's say your whole customer list, you can export that as a 256 Sha encrypted list and LinkedIn will still take that and be able to recognize it. This is definitely explicit targeting because if you give LinkedIn an email address that they recognize, they will then target that person. And if they don't recognize it, they won't go about trying to target anyone. They're not making any guesses here. This is very, very useful for inclusion purposes. So for instance, if I wanted to target all of my current customers, I could upload this list of email addresses as a matched audience and run targeting against them to tell them about a deal I'm running or something like that. You might be tempted to run this as a suppression list or excluding it. And be aware that it doesn't work great as a suppression list, just because there's oftentimes a pretty low match rate between here's my email address and LinkedIn saying, Oh, yes, I know someone with that email address. I much prefer using company name or what they they'll call account match. As a suppression list. It's going to be a lot more accurate and cover more If your audience. Just like any sort of LinkedIn targeting, you do need at least 300 of the emails on your list to match with LinkedIn. Because you can't target any audience smaller than 300. Personal emails will match at a higher rate, which is great, because a lot of people are more willing to give you personal email addresses. But LinkedIn also does have a great database of people's professional emails. One of the great ways that they do this is if you are working with someone and you've sent them an email, then they can upload their email list into LinkedIn and say, Hey, show me people I'm not connected with already. And LinkedIn will allow them to send invites to people that they've emailed with, even if LinkedIn doesn't know who owns that. So what happens is you've received a connection request from someone over email that says, hey, so and so would like to connect with you. And as soon as you log in to LinkedIn and click accept, LinkedIn goes, Oh, this this personal email address you usually lost. With also matches to this work email address. So whereas on Facebook, you might have a huge personal match rate, but as soon as you upload a business address, it just goes to near zero on LinkedIn, there's going to be a pretty good match rate both with your personal emails, as well as pretty decent on professional. Now LinkedIn will let you know your match rate. But it's going to be pretty broad here, it might say something like 30%. Or maybe you have a list you pulled directly from LinkedIn. So there's theoretically 100% match rate, but they'll just tell you 90% or higher. Now, this makes a lot of sense with email addresses, because you probably wouldn't want someone to be able to tell whether that email address actually matched a LinkedIn profile. That seems like there could be some privacy concerns. 13:48 But as we move on to the next matched audiences feature called account lists or account match, this is actually my favorite matched audience. And this one, the match rate doesn't make quite as much sense, but we'll get into that. You can upload a list of up to 300,000 company names matched. And again, this is explicit targeting. You tell LinkedIn, this company name we want to target. And that person says I work for that company, and therefore the match works. So this is explicit targeting. And I find this feature extremely useful, both as an inclusion for here's a list of companies I really care about, and I want to show specific ads to as well as an exclusion as a suppression list like "Hey LinkedIn, here is a list of all of my competitors, or my current customers or my current and past customers, and any ad I show, I want you to exclude these people from seeing my ads because I'm not going to get any value out of a competitor clicking my ads and charging me money". The gotchas here is that it does require the employee to have claimed working for the company. page. So as long as the employee came into the company after the company page was set up, then this is going to make a lot of sense. It also requires the company to have created a company page. Because if that company page does not exist, and you put in some company name, LinkedIn won't know who to match it to, because they won't see any employees attached to it. This all is dependent on your company page itself. Now, like I mentioned, the match rate here is pretty obfuscated, and it's understandable with personal email addresses, but I get really angry about it when it's around account names. The reason why is because there's no privacy involved in a company name. So if I uploaded a list and let's say I was trying to target IBM, and that didn't match, LinkedIn is only going to tell me that it was 90% or higher matched. And I might have missed the fact that that IBM didn't work, but if I would have typed I. B. M. it would have. So I do wish that LinkedIn would actually give us a specific percentage. And even let us know which account names did not match. But so far that hasn't happened. You can add a web URL for a much better match right here. And I highly recommend that if you can pull a list of your company names, and then in the next column over, you give the URL for that company that would totally solve for that IBM issue I mentioned before, because LinkedIn would go oh, I don't recognize IBM. Oh, but I do recognize ibm.com. Yeah, that map's to I. B. M. 16:41 The third type of matched audience targeting here is retargeting. Now this was one I was really excited for. And like we mentioned in Episode Three retargeting is about to get a lot better, but as of right now, it's it's pretty weak in how it works. It's 100% cookie based retargeting, which means someone has to land on your website that you have control of, and you've placed the LinkedIn pixel. And then their browser has to accept cookies, which as of right now, half of the browsers don't even accept cookies. That's all iOS devices running Safari won't even accept the cookie. And anything running the Mozilla Firefox browser also won't take it. And we know within the next two years, Google Chrome has already announced a sunset around third party cookies. And we also know that Microsoft is never last to the conversation about privacy. And so I'm guessing that Internet Explorer or edge will probably sunset cookies before then. So within about two years, LinkedIn's retargeting won't even work, but that's why the enhancements that they're rolling out with engagement retargeting are so exciting to me. This type of targeting is based on user behavior. It's once you've landed on a page, we're going to stick that cookie on you and make you eligible to be retargeted in the future. Now this is only mildly useful right now for exactly the reasons I talked about. But some additional things. The cookie pool minimum is 300. Because on LinkedIn, you're not allowed to advertise to any audience smaller than 300. So you have to have at least 300 people in that retargeting pool. And because only 50% of browsers accept the cookie, it makes it unreliable as a suppression list. So you might say, if you've clicked on my ad, but didn't convert, now I want to exclude you moving forward. And you could set up that rule, but of course, only 50% of the browser's out there would actually honor it. So you'd still be getting a whole bunch of return traffic there on that campaign. The other benefits that are usually associated with retargeting are that you'll be able to stay top of mind as you remind people about your product or service. Well, people just don't spend that much time on LinkedIn. And they're just not super active in general, it's like three to four log ons per month is average. And so there's not a whole lot of benefit in retargeting people on LinkedIn, just so that they have an opportunity to see your ad three or four times a month. Retargeting is also usually very economical, but on LinkedIn, it's not really the case. We oftentimes see costs lower than $1 per click coming from Facebook and Google's retargeting. And on LinkedIn, it's really rare when we see a retargeting click that's less than about $4. So sure, you'll probably get some kind of discount, but it's usually not big enough to really entice me. 19:36 Then the fourth element here of matched audience targeting is look alikes. Now we waited for look alikes for a long time any of us who have experience with Facebook Ads, the look alike targeting is one of the best technologies Facebook has. So people were screaming for it like "hey, LinkedIn, can you come out with look alikes just like we have on Facebook?". And there just wasn't a good reason for LinkedIn to have look alike functionality, because the original targeting was so good. If you want a look alike, you can just go and say I want to target everyone with that job title. Or you could say if I like targeting that company, I'm going to target all of the companies in its industry or of its size or both. So when LinkedIn acquiesced, and actually gave us look alike targeting, it just wasn't all that useful, because their original targeting was so good originally. So because of that, I do call it mildly useful. It is really good to create a look alike from your customer list where you might not have specific titles or specific types of companies, but you can let LinkedIn make those connections. It's important to understand it's actually based off of the audience expansion functionality that you find in every campaign selected as default, which I'm not a fan of. But what I do like about look alikes is that you can break it out into its own campaign. I never use audience expansion just because it muddies my current audience. But with a look alike, you pretty much get to use the same logic, the same engine that gets you additional people, but you can run it as a whole separate campaign so you can test. This is very much implicit targeting because it's derived from people have likely similar roles and also similar types of companies. And it is very much a black box, we can't see what's happening. Plus on Facebook, we get some really cool functionality this slider bar from one to 10%. Basically how tight do you want this look like to be? Do you want it to be the most precise type of targeting this is really really close. Or are you okay with most of it in there and Facebook can just use a little bit of artistic license to add to it. LinkedIn there's only one setting it's, here's my list, create a look alike from it, and you're you are kind of stuck with whatever it comes up with. If you're doing having any sort of account based marketing approach where you're targeting by company name, do make sure that you have not selected that audience expansion checkbox because you're specifically telling LinkedIn, I want to target just these companies. And then LinkedIn is going "Ooh, I know companies that look like that". And they'll start to broaden your audience, which you obviously don't want. 22:21 Then we move on to the company filters. We talked about how the three major company filters were company name, company size, and company industry. So we'll go through each of those. With company name it's just like account match, where we could upload a list of up to 300,000 company names with a few small intricacies here. First of all, you are limited to only 200 company names per campaign, which is really, really terrible to actually go and type out 200 company names. It will be one of the worst things that you do with your time. But the coolest part about it is if you will do this, you will have a 100% match rate on your company names. Because as you type IBM, LinkedIn will pop up a message that says is this the company you mean, and you can make sure that you're hitting that exact company. If you uploaded that same company list into LinkedIn through a matched audience, it may not have 100% match rate, and LinkedIn wouldn't even tell you which ones you were missing. So if I'm ever targeting fewer than 200 companies per campaign, then I'm going to use this feature just the company name targeting. Now this is explicit. Someone does say I work for this company and LinkedIn goes "Ah, I see that company's company page I know that exists, I can match these up". And I do find this very, very useful. We use company name targeting for account based marketing campaigns all the time. Then company size. This is where you can target a company by the number of employees it has. Some people would like the ability to target by revenue target, for instance. But LinkedIn asks people from the company page, hey, how many employees do you have, and that number becomes gospel. And that's what we are able to target. Because of that it is explicit. The company page owner has to say we are this size of organization for you to be able to target them by their company size. This is very, very useful. We use this all the time. It's how we make sure that we're targeting either the enterprise or small to medium sized businesses or anything in between. The gotchas and nuances here are specifically that most of the companies out there do not have a company page profile, or I guess I'll say it like this. Most LinkedIn members are not linked to a company page where LinkedIn knows their size. So that means if you are using company size targeting, you are probably going to exclude about half of everyone on LinkedIn. Now this number has improved significantly. When I very first got into LinkedIn Ads back in like 2011, it was something like seven times more people did not have a known company size. And now that's only 50/50. That's pretty good. We can actually use this to our advantage, though, because a lot of people are probably using company size targeting. But let's say that you are specifically targeting smaller companies, let's say companies with fewer than 50 employees. Rather than just targeting the companies who are explicitly less than 50 employees. What you can do is exclude all companies that are larger than 50. And what that does is it gives you the companies of the smaller size that you're looking for. But it also gives you all of the unknowns. And the majority of the unknowns are probably from companies with fewer than 50 people. It usually takes a marketing person to say, "hey, we should probably own our profiles across the web". Keep in mind that each person can fit under multiple company sizes because of their multiple positions. So imagine that someone works in an enterprise, a 5,000 and above size company. And maybe they have their own consultancy on the side. Or maybe they're on the board of some nonprofit. And so you might be targeting companies with 5000 or more employees, and then you get a lead from a tiny nonprofit. That can happen sometimes with company size targeting just because each member can be currently connected to more than one company. Make sure you don't use company size as an exclusion just because you're lazy and you don't want to select more checkboxes because anytime you use company size exclusions, you're going to be left with those who are undefined, which tend to be small. Now company industry targeting this is where you can target someone by the industry that they are in or their company is in. Now, that's a really important distinction to make. This is explicit the member on their individual profile gets to choose what industry they're in. And they are also likely associated to a company page. And the company page admin got to select an industry as well. So I might have as my industry, marketing and advertising, but my company might be in high tech or something like that. Same rules apply here that if someone has multiple roles on their profile concurrently, they can also qualify for more than one industry. Not to mention I'm pretty sure they can be targeted by their company's industry and or the industry they claim themselves. In addition to those basic company targeting, there are a couple more that are related to companies. So one's called company followers, and this is where you can reach the followers of your company page. I say your company page, and I mean it. You actually have to have admin access to any company page to be able to use this targeting feature. And I do wish that we could show ads to followers of our competitors, for instance, but we can't do that you have to own the page to either target your own followers or exclude them, which is more often what we're doing with it. And that is pretty explicit as targeting goes. Because if you're either following a company or you're not. This can be really useful for let's say, if you're in the SaaS software industry, it's really nice to show product update ads to the people who are your users of your product. Because that way, when it's time for your contract renewals to come up, you can remind them how good your product was. So hopefully they resign again. I tend to use this mostly as an exclusion, because if someone's already following my company page, they're already seeing my content and oftentimes ads for free anyway. So I might want to just exclude them from my ads so that we're not paying for them. Your ads account does have to be associated with your company page to make this work. Then there's an odd one here called company connections, where you can reach just the first degree connections of any company you select. And companies are only available if they have more than 500 employees. So you're not reaching the employees of that company, you are reaching the first degree connections of the employees, which I can't imagine a case where this would be really incredibly useful. This is of course, explicit targeting, because you're reaching just people who are first level connections and this is very clear data. One good reason I can think of to use this is messing with people. So maybe you want to target a competitors first degree connections and maybe say something bad about the competitor or embarrassed them in some way. And of course, all of these people have a connection to that brand in some way. That could be something you try if that's really your style. But more often than not, but maybe more helpful on a serious note, you could exclude this segment along with your competitors company name, if there's something that you really don't want to get back to a competitor, because you can exclude your competitors from seeing your ads. But maybe one of their connections or one of their good friends sees it and shoots them a screenshot of the ad that they saw their competitor is running, and they might send it to their friend and clue them in. So you can exclude your competitors as well as their first degree connections and really be helpful that that message isn't going to get back to them. 30:52 All right, then you have your age targeting. Now, this is really important to understand that it is an implicit type of targeting It's derived from the date that you started your first position that you claim on your profile. This is important to understand because no one ever put in their birthdate into LinkedIn, it'd be pretty easy for them to ask that when they sign up. But no one ever did that. And so LinkedIn is gonna look at it and say, ah, people usually start to graduate from college around the age of, let's call it 22 or something. And that means when you start your first position, you're probably 22 around that time, and we can calculate how old you are. This can be pretty inaccurate, especially because you'll find some people who go "uh, my earlier career experience wasn't related to marketing or wasn't really wasn't related to sales, so I'm just going to leave that stuff off of my profile", and then all of a sudden, LinkedIn thinks that you're 12 years old. So I try not to use this facet unless I absolutely need to. And it is pretty broad anyway. Then you've got gender which is also implicit. It's really interesting because of how wrong this can be. It only has two categories, male or female, I think they'll probably give additional categories in the future just to be sensitive to transgender. But this is derived based off of a probability of someone's first name being either a masculine or a feminine name. So we have a client whose name is Lenny. And it's a man his name is is Lenny. But he gets ads all the time, like, "Hey, are you a female executive?" And he's like, "No, definitely not". So I would call gender maybe mildly useful, I would imagine it's probably, I don't know, 90ish% accurate. So I try not to use it unless I absolutely have to realizing that because it's just a guess based off of someone's first name, there will be a little bit of spillover in both directions. Okay, here's a quick sponsor break and then we'll dive into the rest of the targeting options. 32:53 The LinkedIn Ads show is proudly brought to you by B2Linked.com, the LinkedIn Ads experts. 33:02 That's right you know it, B2Linked is the LinkedIn Ads focused agency. We manage many of LinkedIn's largest spending accounts worldwide and our official LinkedIn partners. Contact us on B2linked.com to get in touch, and our team can help you enact these and other strategies to get you the very best. 33:20 Alright, let's jump into the rest of the targeting options. So next we have degrees. Now, this is explicitly derived from the profile. When you go to add education, it will ask you what your degree is. And I would say in the Higher Ed segment, this is a really, really useful and important type of targeting. As a gotcha though, there are so many degree names. You can have a Bachelor of Science in marketing, a Bachelor of Arts and marketing and a bajillion of other options. So be aware there. If you are specifically trying to target one type of person, you'll probably want to type in something like for instance, if you're going after marketers, you'll type in marketing or you'll type in bachelor's, and then just scroll through that big list trying to find anything that is relevant. Next is field of study. This is also explicitly added from your profile when you add an education. You get to say what you studied. So for me, it was marketing, I studied marketing. And this can be really helpful for Higher Ed types of targeting. And there are so many different fields of study. So be aware, again, like degrees, you'll probably be trying to target by a lot of different variations. Then you've got schools, again, this is an education. This is explicit, someone says I went to this University, and it is optional to add, but most people probably do, I think most are pretty proud of their school and their degree, so they will add it even if optional. 34:46 Then we get into some of my very favorite targeting criteria here. These are the ones that are helpful for targeting the individual. So job function is the department that someone works in. They say they call it job. function in my mind, I just tell myself department. And this is derived from several different things in a profile. LinkedIn told me they are in the process of updating and changing how this is done. But at least when I was informed about it many, many years ago, this was derived from your job title, your industry, and I believe it was skills, but it might have been something else. So they match those three, three things together and try to figure out what departments you fit in. Each member can have multiple from a single position. So let's say your job title is Chief Financial Officer or CFO, LinkedIn looks at that and goes, Oh, well, you are 100% in the finance job function, but we're also going to put you at 16% in the business development function, which is what a lot of C Executives fit into. So you can have one person fit multiple departments or job functions. Because this is pulled from some other things in your profile like your title, your industry and skills, that does make it implicit, which means it's a little bit less accurate. But it is LinkedIn's broadest targeting. And we find this to be really helpful in combination with other elements, like company name, for instance. So if I ever tried to overlay job title on top of company name, I would likely not hit nearly as many people on my audience size as I wanted to. But because job function is so broad, I love it in conjunction with other types of targeting that make it quite tight. Now, here's a nuance that you won't know until you go and try to do it. And then LinkedIn tells you you can't, you can't combine job function and job title in almost any way. That means as inclusions or exclusions, and that is because job function is derived from job title. So they look at it and go well, you can't exclude one from the other because they come from the same pot. Something interesting that we found out when LinkedIn came out with the segment breakdown several months ago, where you can look at audiences and see what LinkedIn categorizes them as we did the job title of CEO, and then went to go look at the job function of a CEO, because we've always been curious, like, what is a CEO? What is what department does the does LinkedIn think that it fits into, and CEOs are near 100% business development, which is odd to me, it didn't make sense, but I'm glad that I at least know. And of course, that opened it up to us learning a lot more about how LinkedIn categorizes these job functions. For another example here, sales manager job title, if you go into segment breakdown, LinkedIn calls them 98% sales, but 6% operations 5% business development, 4% marketing and 2% support, which is odd that they would have such small percentages. I would imagine that they are those percentages in certain industries, which tells us why they're so low 38:01 Then you have seniority and seniority we use almost all the time. It is a fantastic filter. And it is also implicit from your job title. It's derived from the perceived level of your job title. This is really easy when you have something like a manager, director, VP kind of title, but obviously more nebulous if you have something like specialist, analyst, consultant, those types of things. We find this one extremely useful. We use it all the time like I sai. There are quite a few gotchas and nuances with the job seniority filter, for instance, one of the options is unpaid. And I just wonder from the job title, how do they know that they're unpaid? If you go into segment breakdown, LinkedIn says the majority of unpaid jobs in your 30s have at least 12 years of experience. So and that's 15% of them was the biggest amount in that list. And so I look at it and go "wait, does that mean that they're categorizing CEOs or really senior people as unpaid"? It didn't seem like it jive to me. Then they have training again, I wonder how do they know that someone is in training 61% of people in training are in education. And then if you look at the years of experience 9% of training are in the 12 or more years of experience bucket. And then there's 7% in the 1, 2, 3, 4 years of experience bucket. So I wonder if they're training, what's this connection, two years of experience. And then there's entry level. 22% of entry level are registered with over 12 years of experience. So again, I maybe I'm wondering a little bit about that. Not quite sure how accurate it would be. Then senior, so many people get senior wrong as a seniority. What it means is when I think senior, I think individual contributors. This is someone who manages projects and things, but not people. And the thing everyone gets wrong. They go, "oh yeah, we're targeting senior managers or senior directors or senior VPS". That's not what it means. It doesn't mean you have a senior in your title, it means that you are an individual contributor. And then I look at that and go wait 36% of senior seniorities have 12 plus years of experience. So again, years of experience seems maybe unreliable at this point. 40:28 There's a manager seniority, which we end up using a lot. LinkedIn calls this a people manager. And I again, I wonder if you have manager in your title, how does LinkedIn know that you manage people and not just projects and things? Something interesting if you're looking at manager seniority, 4% of those people are also in Director, 3% are also owners, 2% are VPS, so again, that breakdown maybe leaves me with some more questions than I had before. Director, VP, CXO all of those make pretty good sense to me. And when I looked at owner as a seniority, it's like CEO because it's near 100% business development as a job function. I thought that was interesting. Partner, I oftentimes will equate owner and partner together. Partners are qualified as 57% business development and 53% entrepreneurship. So I guess that makes sense. It's just interesting to see how LinkedIn slices it. Okay, then we have job titles. Now, because your job title is a free form field, you can write whatever you want in there. And so LinkedIn is attempting to look at your title and understanding and equate it to other people's titles to try to build this model around it and understand which job titles make sense. When you look at it, though, LinkedIn only understands about 30% of the job titles out there. So that means that when you're using this targeting facet 70% of your audience won't be reachable with this. It is explicit and it's going to be very accurate because someone really had to closely match a job title for LinkedIn to understand it. We find this to be really useful. And we use it around a lot around roles. In fact, we probably use this with every single client, we are usually running a job title campaign for a role. Through the API, we queried and found that there are 30,223, so just over 30,000 unique titles on LinkedIn. And there are other known titles that roll up under those, which means your LinkedIn has 30,000 that you can type in and it will match that there are a whole bunch of others that LinkedIn says roll up to that that we can't see. What's been interesting to me for a long time is you know, here in marketing I know a lot of people who have PPC or demand Gen in their job title. And I've been waiting for like nine years now for when I type in PPC or demand Gen into a job title that LinkedIn will match with something. So LinkedIn tells me that they would roll up under things like digital marketing. But because I can't see it, I just don't know if maybe their index is really old, they're not looking at more current titles, maybe it's not updated very often. Or maybe LinkedIn understands all of these titles fantastically and I just don't know. Because most marketers go to LinkedIn because of the job title targeting, it's the first thing they they go to, it's the first thing they try out. This does tend to be some of the most competitive inventory out there. And because LinkedIn only understands about 30% of job titles, that means that there's diminished audience inventory, but demand for that inventory is higher, because this is job title targeting that people really like to use. So because of that job title targeting is going to be some of the most expensive targeting that you do. And you just expect it's going to be very accurate. It's going to give you more or less smaller audience sizes, and it's going to cost more, but probably give you very good lead quality. If you're targeting standard job titles like sales manager, HR manager, you'll probably capture the majority of them. Those are very easy titles for LinkedIn to understand. But then that also means that those are very easily reachable for less money with something like job function, and seniority. And because members can have multiple positions listed concurrently on their profile, let's say something like you work for a fortune 500 in the daytime, but you're also on the board of a nonprofit or you do consulting on the side so you have both titles currently running. That also means that you can qualify as multiple job titles. Then we have skills, another one we use all the time. These are explicit because each member can claim up to 50 skills on their profile when they sign up. And these are always things you can go and edit later. They are more specific than job title. So for instance, I might have the job title of digital marketing manager but I think might be really highly specialized in LinkedIn Ads, or Google Ads or Facebook Ads. So those types of ads, the channels themselves would be under skills quite easily. But I couldn't reach that person just from their job title, unless I wanted to go broader, like digital marketing manager that really could be managing anything, anything paid organic, social search, whatever. It does aid and giving us broad audiences. And so it is very, very useful. Also, for things like overlaying on top of lists of companies for ABM lists, this can be great for that. As for the nuances here, each member can have up to 50. But it's also not the strongest signal. So for instance, I took a SQL class one time SQL, a database class, and because of that, I put SQL as a skill on my profile, but certainly you wouldn't want to try to sell me a database management software. It's not what I do primarily. It's just one thing. I was proud of I liked. If you wanted to try to target people like me who might have a job title of ad specialist or PPC something, because there's no PPC job title skills can be a great way to reach someone like me who maybe LinkedIn just didn't understand their job title. One thing I would absolutely love, people claim skills and you can endorse each other, you've probably done this a lot, you've probably received a lot of endorsements. I wish that we could either bid up bid higher on people who had more endorsements on certain skills, the ones that were bidding on, and maybe even ignore, if you only have three or fewer endorsements around a skill, maybe I don't want to target you. And that would be really cool. I've given this feedback to LinkedIn, please give it to your reps as well. I think that'd be awesome. Skills, back in the day used to be free form and I think this was probably sometime around 2014 when this changed, you could write any skill you want. So we used to play jokes with this, we would nominate other people in assigned skills like snowboarding to to friends trying to get them things like contracts or influence or attention in sports. So now they have enough skills out there that you're kind of forced, there are a certain number of skills you can put in. I don't know how often these are updated. I don't know how often they add new skills. But certainly this is something that you're kind of closed into a box now. 47:21 Years of experience is another pretty interesting one. Again, just like age, this is implicitly drawn from the date you started your first claim position. The definition would be the number of years you've been in the professional world realize that it's only mildly useful because it is very implicit and you just never know how accurate it's going to be. I think rather than age or years of experience that seem very prone to error, I would much rather use seniority that doesn't seem nearly as prone to error. Then groups I absolutely love groups targeting. Now don't mistake this. This is targeting people who are members of certain groups, it doesn't mean that your ads are going to be shown when they're logged into the group, I get that question quite a bit. This is very explicit. In fact, you have to go way out of your way on LinkedIn right now to join a group. And I don't think LinkedIn is very proud of their group's product right now because you really, really have to go out of your way. If you're searching for a group, you've got to get like four clicks deep before you're ever even seeing an option for groups. I think this is very, very useful. Because if you're passionate enough about a topic to go and join a group all about it, you're probably really relevant to what I'm trying to sell you. Back when LinkedIn was really proud of their group's product, and they were really highly used. A lot of people joined groups and then kind of forgot about them, and they're still part of it, which is great. It means when I use group targeting, I'm going to have larger audience sizes, but realize that may not be quite as up to date. And because fewer people are members of groups, these will usually give you a smaller audience sizes. 48:59 Then you have member interests. There are currently 11 broad interests, and then they break down into a bunch of more micro and niche interests. It's interesting that these are part of the third category of how targeting is determined. These are part of the behavioral or observed category. The way they do it is looking at what you interact with in the feed. So subjects that you're posting on subjects that you are completing social actions on, like liking, commenting, and resharing. And if they can get the data from you, if you do any sort of searches on Bing, they will pull from your Bing search history to try to figure out what you're interested in. I think this is not very useful. I don't use interests a whole lot it just because of how broad they are and how prone to error. My big question is, what does someone have to do to be labeled as interested in a certain topic? Is it like you hit the like button once on a post about that topic? Or do you have to comment three times? Or is it a single search on Bing? Is it 15 searches on Bing with a keyword?, we just don't know this. So I would suggest using it for things like paring down an audience when there just isn't a reason for you to be targeting a million people. But your targeting isn't tight enough to get it down to like a very small group, we might overlay interests just to give yourself a better shot. It's also really interesting to look at your audience's interests just to see how much faith that you are willing to put in. So what you could do is put in the job title of someone that you're trying to target, then you look in the right rail under the breakdown, the segment breakdown, and look under interests just to see does it jive? Are you targeting developers and there's a ton of stuff about like Bitcoin? Maybe that's maybe that makes sense. If you're targeting developers, and there's a ton about travel or Instagram influencers or something like that, I wouldn't have as much faith in it. 50:56 Then you've got some new stuff called member traits. Now Member traits used to be something called custom segments that was beta targeting that you only got access to, if you had a LinkedIn Rep. And what's really cool is they're starting to slowly roll these out. And at one point, there was something like 30, or 40 different custom segments that your LinkedIn rep had access to. And now I think they've released maybe four or five of them. And I hope they keep going. I think these are so so cool. They are also behavioral and observed types of facets. But what's so cool about them is LinkedIn knows a lot about you because of your behavior on the platform. And so I feel like these are a lot more trustworthy. There's still tons that haven't been released yet. So definitely ask your rep if they have any ideas for custom segments that might be good for the audience that you go after. There's one called frequent contributor, obviously, I don't know what their baseline is for how many times you have to post or comment on something to be a frequent contributor, but it's there. This There's one called frequent traveler. And I think they know because if you're on the mobile app and you log into LinkedIn, from IP addresses that go across the country across the globe, they know that you're a business traveler. There's one called job seeker that this one makes a lot of sense. If someone has viewed at least three job postings, or applied to any one of them. LinkedIn goes, "ah, they're looking for a job", so you can target them pretty easily. There's one called open to education. There's one called device preference. And device preference is really interesting to me. I don't know where we're all the way there yet. But it'll break down into do they prefer desktop or mobile for their LinkedIn experience. And under mobile, you can actually break down to iOS and Android. It is called preference and it doesn't mean the device they're on. I believe this just means the the device that they tend to use the most often, so not quite as accurate as I have liked, but certainly that gets us closer. I certainly expect more coming out here because there's a lot of custom segments we've used in the past that aren't in the list yet. As for how useful these are, it really is a yard sale or a garage sale, whatever you want to call it, where you just have to look at the list and maybe something applies. Maybe something doesn't. It's really unorganized or disorganized. But there's lots of good options, maybe something is a good fit for you. So check that those out. Then you have something called audience templates. Now, audience templates are different from our member traits, because they don't involve anything that's behavioral. These are just templates that LinkedIn has built for you that make it easier to target certain types of people. So for instance, there's one that's expertise in Bitcoin. And if you actually apply this, you see that all LinkedIn did is they just automatically applied all of the Bitcoin and blockchain groups targeting. Then there's financial advisors and then all they did was added all of the job titles that financial advisors seem to have, and added some finance industries on to it, you can choose IT decision makers, but this is just job function of IT with a seniority of like manager and above. There's nurses, there's medical doctors, these are ones that mostly rely on job title. There's also degrees which you can exclude, which is really helpful for Higher Ed. This one, again, is kind of a yard sale, you don't know if there's going to be something that fits your audience or not until you look and there's 26 out there right now. So check those out when you get a chance. 54:37 So my recommendations for you as you're designing your targeting, use explicit as much as you possibly can. This is going to give you the highest lead quality, it's going to be the most precise, and this is so much of the reason why we like LinkedIn is this precision in targeting. So when you need quality, go explicit on your targeting options, and then use the implicit ones, when you just need volume, and you're okay with a little bit of error. Most of the time, you're going to need a little bit of a mix. And I really like testing these targeting methods against each other. For instance, if I have an audience like sales manager, I'm probably going to test job title of sales manager, and job function of sales with manager seniority against each other. And I want these in two separate campaigns. And I want to see which one gives me more volume, lower cost, better efficiency down the funnel. Because I understand the need for quality versus volume. And it's kind of a sliding scale in most cases, I would use job function with seniority on an ABM list on an account list anytime. But if I'm just using LinkedIn's native targeting to reach every one of this role in North America, I'd be much more likely to use job titles or even groups that really narrow it down. 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HAPPY NATIONAL EMO DAY! ... I guess join us, as we talk about emo music or whatever. Do what you want, I don't feel good today. Today I guess we're celebrating with a super cool person and we're surprised he even noticed us, comedian and musician Cory Barringer (Twitter: @HunkyCory / Instagram: HunkyCory / The Kelps on Bandcamp)!! LET'S PARTY!! Find Holiday Party online – Patreon: patreon,com/HOLIDAYPARTY Twitter: @HOLIDAYPARTYPOD / Instagram: HOLIDAYPARTYPODCAST / Facebook: @HOLIDAYPARTYPODCAST / HOLIDAYPARTYPODCAST.COM Find Alyssa – Twitter: @alyssapants / alyssapants.com Find Disa – Spotify: open.spotify.com/user/1243777842 SHOW NOTES History/Fun facts about the topic Definition and history--What exactly is emo, you ask? To start, Dictionary.com gives a two-part definition of emo as a noun 1. A type of guitar-based music developed from emocore but having a softer, pop, or mainstream sound 2. A fan of emo, especially a person who is overly sensitive and full of angst or adopts a certain style characterized by dyed black hair, tight t-shirts and jeans Wikipedia further defines Emo as “a rock music genre characterized by an emphasis on emotional expression, sometimes through confessional lyrics.”  Urban Dictionary has over 1400 entries for the definition of emo, with the top entry outlining three applications of the word as: an emotional person, a style, and a genre of music, from user “One of the few people who will say what the labels are instead of my opinion on them” in February 2008. This was their only submission to the site According to NME, emo might be “music’s dirtiest word,” one that “attracts scorn like few others.”  As a genre, It emerged as a style of post-hardcore from the mid-1980s hardcore punk movement in Washington DC, where it was known as ‘emotional or emotive hardcore’ or ‘emocore’.” The origin of the term itself is hard to pin down, though evidence shows that it was coined in 1985. Some attribute its birth to a 1985 Thrasher article in which Embrace and other Washington DC bands were referred to as “emo-core,” while others claim that Minor Threat frontman Ian MacKaye used it self-mockingly in a magazine, and yet other people give credit to an audience member at an Embrace show, who shouted as an insult that the band was “emocore.” Either way, the general consensus is that the term was intended as an insult from the very beginning, and none of the flagship bands wanted anything to do it Though The Beach Boys’ 1966 album “Pet Sounds” was labelled “the first emo album” by Treble Zine’s Ernest Simpson, the first Emo band is often cited to be Rites of Spring, ostensibly because of their lyrics, such as, “I woke up this morning with a piece of past caught in my throat/And then I choked,” from their song “For Want Of.” Apparently the members of Rites of Spring hate being called emo, though, with Guy Picciotto once saying, “I’ve never recognized ‘emo’ as a genre of music… the reason I think it’s so stupid is that--what, like the Bad Brains weren’t emotional? What--they were robots or something? It just doesn’t make any sense to me.” In 1980, Minor Threat frontman Ian Mackaye founded the Dischord record label where it signed many DC hardcore punk bands. Later on, it went on to sign MacKaye and Picciotto’s iconic band Fugazi. Fugazi were not emo, drawing in elements of hardcore, funk, and jazz instead, but they did inspire bands in the mid 90s to abandon conventional hardcore roots The first wave of emo took off with Revolution Summer 1985, which was an attempt deliberately sought by emo-core bands like Gray Matter, Beefeater, Dag Nasty, Soulside, and Embrace to break the limitations of hardcore punk in favor for a fresh idea of creativity. It was a social movement that challenged the initial wave of hardcore music, the attitudes of fans and bands before them, and also the image mainstream media protrayed of punks. The bands that spawned from Revolution Summer often took a stand against violence, especially at shows in the form of slamdancing, as well as standing up against the sexism of the scene. During the 90s, a second wave of emo began to spread out and started splintering into different subgenres, and became to be defined by an emotional intimacy between bands and their fans. According to the altpress.com article “What is Emo, Anyway? We Look at History to Define a Genre,” this is where we saw the birth of screamo, with bands like Antioch Arrow and Swing Kids.  In Seattle, Sunny Day Real Estate drew elements of grunge and alt-rock, and were in fact often pegged as the “next Nirvana” by industry insiders before they broke up for the first time in 1995. Farther down the West Coast in California, Green Day, Rancid, Jawbreaker, and Weezer were exploding onto the national scene The emo scene was particularly prolific in the Midwest at this time, giving us bands such as The Promise Ring, Cap’n Jazz, American Football, and The Get Up Kids, as well as many of the stereotypes that continue to this day--that emo is “boy-driven, glasses-wearing, overly sensitive, overly brainy, chiming-guitar-driven college music,” according to author Andy Greenwald, who wrote “Nothing Feels Good: Punk Rock, Teenagers, and EMO,” a 2003 book that explores the evolution of the emo scene and how this culture has affected its largest group, teenagers. According to The Chicago Reader critic Leor Galil, Midwest, or second-wave, emo was critical in transforming DC emo into “something malleable, melodic, and cathartic--its common features included cycling guitar parts, chugging bass lines, and unconventional singing that sounded like a sweet neighbor kid with no vocal training but plenty of heart.” The 2000s saw a third wave of emo music, and saw pop-punk and emo become inexorably intertwined. It was during this period when bands like Jimmy Eat World, Thursday, Taking Back Sunday, At The Drive-In, Saves The Day, and Brand New were at their respective peaks. We also saw the likes of Atreyu, the Faint, Bright Eyes, and Coheed and Cambria. As altpress notes, “one thing about all of these bands [is that] they all sound wildly different from one another. The sonic palette of emo is widening as quickly as outside influences can be embraced.” With the advent of MySpace in the mid 2000s, emo blew up into a full-blown counter-culture, with groups such as Fall Out Boy, AFI, My Chemical Romance, Paramore, Relient K, Plain White T’s, and Panic! At the DIsco at the forefront, giving us all the inspo to go full “mall emo.”  Through that entire decade, emo purists were incensed, claiming that “emo” is already dead, horrified that bands like the Used and Senses Fail were being called “screamo,” and referring to their precious OG screamo bands as “skramz” instead.  According to NME, “this is an era that countless emo purists like to reject, but it saw the genre take flight like never before.” The last decade has seen emo take two clear paths. There has been something of an underground revival, with many newer bands finding inspiration from emo’s second wave the 90s, while the emo acts from the mid-2000s explosion have gone on to huge pop success and transitions to other genres.   With artists such as Lil Peep, Princess Nokia, nothing, nowhere, and Ghostmane, the next generation of emo may see the continuation of blending emo elements with hip-hop. Wherever it goes, we can surely expect the OG emo gatekeepers to keep their pearls clutched close and their tissues even closer The most significant update to the world of emo, as least to me, is taking place practically as we speak. The return of My Chemical Romance commences tomorrow, December 20th, at the Shrine Expo Hall In LA. The saga to this reunion has been a long and painful one. First, they stomped on the souls of emos around the world when they announced their breakup on March 22nd, 2013.  Then in July 2016, they posted to their social media for the first time in years a video with the piano intro from “Welcome to the Black Parade,” ending with a cryptic date, “9/23/16”, which stoked hopes for a reunion announcement. It ended up being the reissue date of The Black Parade with unreleased demos.  Next, in June of this year, Joe Jonas claimed that he saw the band was rehearsing in a New York studio space. Frank Iero sort of quashed these rumors, and a lot of people speculated that Joe Jonas may have confused Iero’s band, Frank Iero and the Future Violents, with My Chemical Romance.  Turns out that MCR just sucked at being sneaky. They announced on Halloween 2019 that they would be performing in LA, then followed up that announcement a week later with more dates in Australia, Japan, and New Zealand for 2020 Since the reunion announcement, Pitchfork issued a retrospective review of Three Cheers for Sweet Revenge, giving it an 8.2 score, describing it as “an operatic pop-rock behemoth that became an icon for outcasts.” Criticisms and controversies (from Wikipedia) Emo music was blamed for the suicide of teenager Hannah Bond by the coroner at her inquest and her mother, with emo music reportedly glamorizing suicide. She had an online presence in emo forums where she discussed the “glamour” of hanging, as well as telling her parents that her self-harm was an “emo initiation ceremony.” A qualitative study showed emo respondents reporting “attitudes including high acceptance for suicidal behavior and self-injury,” and concluded, “the identification with the emo youth subculture is considered to be a factor strengthening vulnerability towards risky behaviors.” Emo has been criticized for being androcentrist, with Andy Greenwald citing that there are few women in emo bands and those who are have little influence on lyrical content. “Emo’s popularity and its “lonely boy’s aesthetic” have lead to a litany of one-sided songs in which men vent their fury at the women who have wronged them. Some emo bands’ lyrics disguise violent anti-women sentiments with a pop-music veneer.” The emo genre experienced backlash in response to its rapid growth. Some bands rejected the label for its social stigma and controversy. The backlash intensified in 2008, when anti-emo groups attacked teenagers in Mexico City, Queretaro, and Tijuana. Legislation was proposed in Russia’s Duma regulating emo websites and banning emo attire in schools and government buildings, with the subculture perceived as a “dangerous teen trend” promoting anti-social behavior, depression, social withdrawal, and suicide. In 2012, the BBC reported that Shia militias in Iraq shot or beat to death as many as 58 young Iraqi emos.  As we know, “emo” isn’t a term only to denote a genre of music, but also a fashion statement, a lifestyle, and a collection of personality traits Wikipedia succinctly informs us that “emo fashion was originally clean-cut and tended towards geek chic”, with comparisons made to Fred Rogers and Buddy Holly. As emo entered the mainstream, fashion began to include skinny jeans, tight t-shirts, studded belts, converse sneakers, Vans, and black wristbands. Thick black eyeliner and black fingernails also became common, though the most ubiquitous facet of emo fashion is the hairstyle: flat, straight, usually jet-black hair with long bangs covering much of the face.  As emo became a subculture, people who dressed in emo fashion and associated themselves with its music were known as “emo kids” or “emos”.  An “emo kid,” according to Urban Dictionary is: A social classification that has been bastardized by scenesters, rich preps, and wannabe goths united. A true emo kid does not label him/herself as being “emo”...often this label is foisted on him or her against the alleged emo kid’s will. True emo kids listen to whatever the hell music they feel like, and it is often poetic or expressive. Emo is not a clothing style, cutting our wrists, or being a frequent buyer at Hot Topic. Those who call themselves “emo” are most likely just trying to be “scene” and have really screwed up the genre through wearing generic, borderline gothic clothing that all their sad little friends wear.” In other words, a “true” emo kid is someone who gatekeeps being an emo kid The most common Emo stereotypes, as taken from thetoptens.com, wikipedia,  Emos hate themselves They self harm or are suicidal They’re Emo for attention Emos have fake cut marks They whine a lot They’re depressed Their poetry is bad Emo songs are bad Emos wear their mom’s makeup (pro-tip: don’t share mascara or eyeliner with anyone unless you want some attention-grabbing eye infections) They wear black clothing in hot weather (this is a good idea though!) Have spiky hair Only wear converse Their hair covers one of their eyes (sounds painful if hair is indeed spiky) Worship the devil According to National Today, emo is responsible for starting some well known trends, including Ear gauges, which NT describes as “the default millennial piercing option Social media--”Back when you couldn’t see the point in getting a Facebook page, emos were tricking out their Myspaces with glitter, animations, and their favorite songs on autoplay” Selfies: “Emos pioneered the art of self-photography, before phones even had a selfie camera!” And skinny jeans, “the official ‘00s pants style for both men and women started in the emo community first” History of National Emo Day From definithing.com, “national emo day takes place on december the 19th, and is celebrated all around the world, by emo’s and non-emos alike. It is a day for emos to celbrate their sub-culture, and for non-emos to pretend to be emo, for a day, sometimes people use the day, as an excuse tyo National emo day A day for the all emos to congregate together for a m-ss non-celbration, and general whine about life. Celebrated on the 19th of december “Oh my god… my life is like, so totally hard.” “Yeah me too… i hate my life, like so much” “What” “Go to national emo day” “Omg yeaaaah!! I mean, like. Okay, whatever, man.” Also known as-ned Its where you act emo, dress emo, be emo! Its always on may 4th. Its to make fun of the fake emo kids who are scene! “Hey are you celebrating national emo day?” “H-ll yeah i am! I cant wait to act depressed all day!” Now according to Uncyclopedia, National Emo Day “was created in 1927, created by a group of Christians who wanted to reach out to more people. In a desperate attempt they had 10K people sign a document stating they would created a holiday to celebrate the life of Emos. As they continued to publicize the petition to create the holiday they got little to know [sic] results so they decided to change their approach on the topic, They decided to instead of publicising it as an emo holiday to publicise it as a petition to make “Girls Gone Wild” videos for free. Within only 6 days they had achieved 10k signatures.” But for real, the earliest reference I could find to National Emo Day was an Urban Dictionary entry by BlackSouledBeast from December 5th, 2009, which states, and this may sound familiar, “National Emo Day takes place on December the 19th, and is celebrated all around the world, by emo’s and non-emos alike. It is a day for emos to celbrate their sub-culture, and for non-emos to pretend to be emo, for a day. Sometimes people use the day, as an excuse tyo” There was another UD entry from December 5th, 2009, by user Johnatronn, which stated, “a day for the all emos to congregate together for a mass non-celbration, and general whine about life. Celebrated on the 19th of December.” There are a grand total of 4 entries on Urban Dictionary entries for National Emo Day. The other two were added May 1st, 2018, by CRIMSON_WOLF, and June 9, 2018, by Moncricket Killer. So take that information for what it’s worth Activities to celebrate Take part in our National Emo Day social media challenge, which is to post as many sad sack updates as you can throughout the day, ending each of them with the hashtag #NationalEmoDay and the :( emoji Become emo! WikHow gives a helpful breakdown of precisely how to be an emokid. First, look the part and get an emo appearance.  Start with getting “emo hair,” which usually refers to a layered haircut in which long bangs are swept and styled to one side usually held in place with mousse, hair gel, or pomade. The color is mainly natural, but sometimes “emo hair” is dyed black and sometimes features a bright highlight of blonde or other “punky” colors Then break out the black eyeliner and don’t be shy with it. Get your full waterlines, and don’t skimp on the corners of your eyes You’re also going to need nail polish, specifically black. Don’t be afraid to wear different colors or mix them Consider getting piercings! Snake bites in particular are a very common piercing among the emos  Dress in emo fashion. Stock your closet with skinny jeans, hoodies, vintage t-shirts, and checked shirts that will pair great with your concert tees. Wear emo bands t-shirts, even if you’ve never seen them live Wear thick horn rimmed glasses, even and especially if you have perfect eyesight Shoes should be converse or vans. WikiHow says that you do not have to buy them new, and that’s a lie. If you don’t have an outlandish collection of limited edition high-tops and canvas slip-ons, you’re a poser and not doing emo correctly Accessorize with scarves, stripy socks, wristbands, studded belts, safety pins that are doing nothing, badges, and fingerless gloves.  Embrace androgyny.  Don’t forget to cuff your jeans, cut thumb holes into your hoodies, and be sure to own at least two items with characters from The Nightmare Before Christmas Next, you have to understand Emo, so learn all about it. You’re off to a good start with this episode. Learn about the history as well as the subgenres, including emocore (Rites of Spring); post-emo indie rock/Midwest emo (Sunny Day Real Estate); Emo pop (Jimmy Eat World); screamo (Heroin); and emo rap (MC Lars).  Understanding emo includes appreciating emo music. You can listen to the classics of the subgenres, as well as explore using music streaming services like SoundCloud, Bandcamp, Pandora, Spotify, and Youtube to find less well-known emo bands. Develop a passion for different kinds of music. Generally speaking, all emo music has two things in common: big, sweeping, extremely melodramatic guitar-based music, either aggressive and harsh or acoustic and gentle, that contain confessional or explicitly personal lyrics, often about heartbreak and loneliness. You can listen to Death Cab for Cutie or My Chemical Romance or both (you lunatic) and still be emo. Learn to tell the difference between emo and other subcultures.  Emo is a subculture that is based around music, and deals with emotions, self-expression, and self-exploration. Being emo means you understand your roots, listen to emo music, and participate in the community Scene is a subculture which emerged from members of the chav subculture in England experimenting with alternative fashions. It’s a mixture of several styles including emo, indie pop, rave, and punk. Scenes tend to wear brighter colors, and have teased or backcombed hair which may feature “cool tails.” Scene kids tend to listen to genres like metalcore, deathcore, and crunk core Goth is a subculture which emerged from the British post-punk scene in the late 70s/early 80s. Goths primarily listen to goth rock, cold wave, deathrock, and darkwave. And finally, participate in emo culture by going to shows, cultivating a creative persona, picking up an instrument, or making or customizing your own clothes (pins, patches, color on your shoes) If you don’t know where to start with your emo music adventure, you have some options. If you’re feeling brave, you could throw a dart at Wikipedia’s list of emo artists, You can get some recommendations from Rollingstone’s article “40 Greatest Emo Albums of All Time”, which lists the top ten as  10. MCR “Three Cheers for Sweet Revenge (2004) 9. FOB “From Under the Cork Tree” (2005) 8. JEW “Bleed American” (2001) 7. Cap’n Jazz “Burritos, Inspiration Point, For Balloon Sports…” (1995) 6. American Football “American Football” (1999) 5. Braid “Frame and Canvas” (1998) 4. Jawbreaker “Dear You” (1995) 3. The Promise Ring “Nothing Feels Good” (1997) 2. Rites of Spring “Rites of Spring” (1985) 1. Sunny Day Real Estate “Diary” (1994) Make sure to check out our NATIONAL EMO DAY Mixtape. This is the first one I’ve made that intentionally doesn’t have a specific listening order, though I did put them in order of their album release dates. Since I don’t know what kind of ~emotions~ you’ll be needing to connect with when you listen, I encourage you to hit shuffle and keep clicking “next” until you find your emo unicorn song.  Wouldn’t it Be Nice by The Beach Boys (1966) For Want of by Rites of Spring (1985) In Circles by Sunny Day Real Estate (May 10, 1994) Buddy Holly by Weezer (May 10, 1994) Here Come the Rome Plows by Drive Like Jehu (1994) Red & Blue Jeans by The Promise Ring (1997) Napoleon Solo by At The Drive-In (1998) Never Meant by American Football (1999) At Your Funeral by Saves the Day (2001) The Middle by Jimmy Eat World (2001) A Favor House Atlantic by Coheed and Cambria (2003) A Decade Under the Influence by Taking Back Sunday (2004) Vindicated by Dashboard Confessional (2004) I’m Not Okay (I Promise) by My Chemical Romance (2004) All That I’ve Got by The Used (2004) Sugar, We’re Going Down by Fall Out Boy (2005) Streetcar by Funeral For A Friend (2005) I Write Sins Not Tragedies by Panic! At The Disco (2005 Everything is Alright by Motion City Soundtrack (2005) Misery Business by Paramore (2007) 20 Dollar Nose Bleed by Fall Out Boy (featuring Brendon Urie) (2008) In Exile by Thrice (2009) Your Eyes Are Bleeding by Princess Nokia (2018) Uncomfortably Numb by American Football (featuring Hayley Williams) (2019) SOURCES https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emo https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=emo https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=emo%20kid https://www.thetoptens.com/false-emo-stereotypes/ https://www.dictionary.com/browse/emo https://www.wikihow.com/Be-Emo https://www.altpress.com/features/what_is_emo_history_definition/ https://www.nme.com/blogs/nme-blogs/emo-wave-guide-evolution-2302802 https://www.facebook.com/events/national-emo-day/1304009436379814/ https://nationaltoday.com/national-emo-day/ https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=National%20Emo%20Day http://mirror.uncyc.org/wiki/The_Only_Emo_Holiday:_National_Emo_Day https://definithing.com/national-emo-day/ https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-lists/40-greatest-emo-albums-of-all-time-23526/my-chemical-romance-three-cheers-for-sweet-revenge-2004-158842/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_emo_artistshttps://www.ranker.com/list/emo-bands-and-musicians/reference

Schenay Mosley is singer, songwriter, and pianist whose most recent, excellent project Lotus is available now. The Dayton, Ohio native has been in Chicago for years now, and just got off a wildly successful tour with Smino. She talks disaster plans, Myspaces, finding herself through adversity, and more! Recorded 6/11/19 in Chicago Music from this week's episode: Intro - @schenaysmusic Loversgold - @schenaysmusic

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The internets is built up with interconnected networks. The Facebooks and the MySpaces hangs out with the Blackplanets. This week’s guest has the internets fully wired. HipHopWired.com’s editor-in-chief Alvin Blanco stops by the spaceship to talk shop. Aqua, as he is regarded by friends is a professional journalist who spotted the weblog wave way back during its inception. He’s also an unapologetic Wu-Tang Clan stan with a published book to prove it. Fly with the Talkitects as we recount the journey of one of our own Internets icons.

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