Data Protection Breakfast Club

A&P talk about their favorite things in work, life, privacy, tech, AI, snacks, books and more.

A&P are joined by Andrew Woods, the GC of AdTech company PubMatic, formerly of Twitter. Andrew's origin story can be heard on the 2/22/23 Episode. This conversation focuses on the changing economic model of the internet and AI's massive impact on our future and the future of ads/privacy.

A&P chat with Keir Lamont, Senior Director of the Future of Privacy Forum's U.S. Legislation team. In this role he supports research and independent analysis concerning federal, state, and local consumer privacy laws and regulations. Notably Keir releases updates on a fortnightly cadence on State and Federal Privacy Legislation and is one of the people most closely tracking development @ the state level. There may be no greater expert on the US “Patchwork” than Keir!

The guys are joined by longtime friend Julia Shullman. She's stepped into a role in the advertising tv space with Telly an innovative company that is also developing an actual TV that si free for consumers, with a transparent data driven ad delivery system attached. The discussion also covers the current TV advertising environment and the dynamism brought about by streaming platforms, internet of things, and regulatory challenges like the VPPA and other laws.

Andy and Pedro sit down with Chris Sands, former CMO of the L Suite (TechGC) to discuss his new role establishing a community based recruiting function and executive hiring in general.

Andy & Pedro chat with Val Ilchenko, GC/CPO @ TrustArc, one of the leading privacy technology companies. Val helped create and grow the privacy programs @ GoTo and LogMeIn before moving into his current role. The guys chat about the unique fun and challenges of your first leadership role in legal/privacy.

Andy & Pedro sit down with Kathleen Patton, a GC who has literally seen it all and done it all in her impressive career. The convo targets some of the biggest issues when leading an IPO and M&A deals, but also touches on her style of confident leadership that all in-house lawyers ought to model and learn from. In addition to her stints inside companies, she also maintains a clear priority of family, friendships, mentorship and fun.

Andy and Pedro discuss the current climate for tech companies and the impact of an administration change in the US. They also touch on the 2025 outlook for AI tools, privacy laws and how to advise clients in this environment.

Andy & Pedro are joined by some great friends and incredible privacy/legal leaders Anne Bradley FPF fellow/startup advisors/founder and former Nike/Hulu CPO and Susan Rohol partner @ Willkie Farr and former Warner/Discovery CPO. We chat about hiring, mentoring and the challenges/rewards of both!

Andy & Pedro are joined by a good friend of the pod, Rob Morvillo - Chief Legal Officer @ Olo. The discussion focuses on the in-house lawyer's relationship with their outside law firm counsel and how this has evolved over time.

Andy and Pedro chat with their good friend Alan Chapell, longtime AdTech privacy lawyer and one of the key voices in the overlap between AdTech and competition law.

Andy and Pedro discuss the importance of putting yourself out there in your career by speaking, writing and engaging in public conversations. They also bat around some really important concepts like what to watch on flights, motorcycle meditation and the best privacy pros to hear speak at events.

Andy and Pedro celebrate the 100th episode of DPBC! They discuss the future of tech companies in the EU, focusing on data protection regulations and the challenges these companies face. Thank you for listening!

Nubiaa Shabaka combines a wealth of expertise in privacy/cybersecurity with a deep curiosity and love of learning/collaborating. It is a skill we have consistently seen in several big organization CPOs. And Nubiaa has had some of the biggest roles you can have in privacy/cyber at a mix of very complex organizations. Currently she is the VP, & Chief Cybersecurity Legal/Privacy Officer @ Adobe and was Chief Cybersecurity Legal/Privacy Officer @ American International Group (AIG) and in a similar leadership role @ Morgan Stanley. In addition to her day job, Nubiaa also works closely on Adobe's Data Governance program and sits on its AI leadership groups.

We last talked with Greg in October of 2021. In that episode we covered Greg's law firm days, in-house career and formation of TechGC with his Co-Founder Kiran Lingam. We catch up with Greg again to discuss the growth of the L Suite and really just the impact of “community” on our work and life. And of course we will tackle the very important question of the best pizza in Brooklyn and Manhattan.

Would you move for your dream job?  Aaron Mendelsohn did, but not a simple move.  He and his family relocated to Denmark when he got an opportunity to join the LEGO Group and help support its privacy journey.  We rarely see a US lawyer going to Europe and its a fascinating story.   Aaron loves the LEGO Group brand deeply (and so do we).  Supporting a company and brand which you personally use and love often goes a long way in doing your best work!

Simon McDougall doesn't take the easy road, never has.  He likes hard problems and isn't afraid to dig in and try to solve them. Simon has a deep sense of pragmatism and business balance which makes him an effective leader.  He is currently the Chief Compliance Officer of ZoomInfo and was previously Deputy Commissioner for the Information Commissioner's Office (ICO), the UK's independent authority for upholding information rights. While @ the ICO he established new technology policy and innovation functions working on artificial intelligence, adtech, and competition.  Simon also has worked for years in consulting at Promontory (an IBM company) and Deloitte.

We last talked with Jules on March 17, 2021 over 3 years ago!  A LOT has happened since.  That episode was a career retro covering Jules' time @ AOL, DoubleClick and in government.   This time we dig in with Jules on the current global and US privacy laws, Artificial Intelligence, Clean Rooms, Public Policy and the role of “think tanks” in both society and in the privacy community.

In this episode, we catch up with Trevor Hughes, who has grown IAPP Membership from 300 to 80,000. We last spoke with him 3 years ago, right after January 6th. Now, amidst a rapidly changing global privacy landscape and a booming tech sector driven by AI, we revisit for fresh insights about the present and future.

Christina Montgomery is IBM's Chief Privacy & Trust  Officer and has spent over 29 years at the company! In that time Christina has just about done it all from a legal perspective.  Prior to her current role, she was Secretary to IBM's Board of Directors, was Managing Attorney, overseeing the IBM law department's strategic and transformational initiatives, hiring and recruiting, professional development, budget management, and other projects on a worldwide basis.Now Christina is leading the charge on IBM's AI Ethics Board speaking publicly about the challenges and benefits of emerging AI technologies.

In this episode the guys chat 1x1 without guest about the key relationship between legal and sales. The discussion covers highs, lows, contracting, privacy negotiation and some hilarious anecdotes!

In this episode, we dive into the world of data privacy with Keith Enright, the Chief Privacy Officer at Google. Keith's long-standing leadership in the privacy profession shines as we explore his calm and steady approach to handling the vast challenges that come his way. With a track record that includes leading privacy at Macy's and serving as a General Counsel, Keith is more than a leader; he's a visionary in the field. Discover how he guides Google's worldwide privacy team and how he plays a pivotal role in shaping responsible AI. Join us for an insightful conversation with one of the foremost voices in data privacy.

Harvey Jang is the type of leader you want to work with. He is affable, open and leads with positive intent. In a world of constant change and at a company where IP and Innovation are literally the foundation, he leans into that dynamism and it makes him a compelling leader. In addition to Cisco, Harvey serves on the Board of Directors for the IAPP and is on the faculty for their privacy and AI governance certifications. Prior to that, he worked on legal/privacy teams @ intel, HP and Symantec. At Cisco Harvey leads a global team of privacy professionals, lawyers, and engineers in developing and operationalizing Cisco's privacy policies and standards, privacy by design, and accountability frameworks. He is also active in Cisco's AI, business and human rights, and DEI initiatives as well.

Tim Parilla is a loyal friend, teammate and confidant. He flies planes, loves dogs, cocktails and just kicking back to have some laughs. His leadership style is steady, calm and eyes on the horizon - like the pilot you want. At Linksquares leads legal, HR, Operations and IT, and works closely with product development at Linksquares, a late stage legal tech company. He previously spent 7 years as GC @ DraftKings. There, he scaled the legal function, managed the company's legal posture through multiple fundraises, managed the very public, high profile legal challenges the company faced in 2015 and eventually worked on its SPAC IPO.

Cynthia Cole has been a GC, CEO, and Head of HR! She has also been a Partner @ Baker Botts and now at Baker McKenzie. At Baker Botts she built the technology transactions and data privacy practice. An intellectual property and tech transactions attorney, Cynthia also has expertise in AI, digital transformation, data privacy, and cybersecurity strategy. Cynthia also occupies a unique role in acting as outside general counsel to a number of executive teams and boards.

We welcome back our good friend Phil Lee to the podcast to discuss life as a lawyer and now entrepreneur - having built his own firm Digiphile from the ground up.  In addition to knowing the GDPR and all EU laws inside and out Phil is a dedicated Back to the Future and Star Wars fan, lego builder, tech lover and all around fun person to be with. He lived in California, helping launch Fieldfisher's US office and enjoyed being in the tech center of the US.  It helped Phil attain a certain advantage and balance in their representation of US clients who serve the EU.

Ron has had an incredible run in privacy leadership and isn't stopping anytime soon. He's been a critical privacy leader at Deloitte and PwC and worked for brands like Amex, Coach & Kate Spade. He drove privacy at Tinder/Match and most recently led privacy efforts at Grindr as Chief Privacy Officer. Now Ron owns his own consulting company and is a leader in the privacy space at large.

Laura Belmont, accomplished attorney and compliance professional, a leader in complex issue resolution, collaboration, and data-driven decision-making as General Counsel at Civis Analytics, blending business success with community service.

Alan is the rock and roll adtech and privacy lawyer. He's not only an actual singer/musician, but he's a rockstar in the adtech privacy world and he's been rocking hard for years. Alan isn't afraid to take positions, debate issues and advocate for his clients and the industry.

Guest: Elise Houlik, Chief Privacy Officer @ Intuit Elise Houlik's privacy team at Intuit team is deeply engaged with its business teams. A hallmark of her leadership is this type of partnership with cross-functional teams - supporting a true privacy by design and rooted privacy culture. Elise also spent time at Mastercard as SVP/Assistant General Counsel - Privacy & Data Protection leading North American and LATAM privacy as well as the teams supporting open banking, SMB, B2B, digital payments and partnerships, start-ups, cryptocurrency / blockchain, marketing and communications, HR, operations & technology, and corporate security. Elise also spent time at Fannie Mae in Washington, DC, acting as the company's Lead Privacy & Cybersecurity counsel.

Guest: Jessica Lee, Chair Privacy, Security & Data Innovations Practice @ Loeb & Loeb Summary: Jessica Lee has a wide ranging practice covering most areas of technology, data, social media and entertainment. She's one of those rare lawyers who can bridge the divide between practice areas with a pragmatic approach to problem solving. She's also a runner having completed multiple marathons which makes privacy a cake walk (run). Jessica finds time as well to advise non-profits as a board member

For many years Amy Stewart was a complex commercial litigator specializing in competition and trade secrets.  After 30+ years at the Rose Law Firm in Little Rock, Arkansas, Amy took the leap to join LiveRamp as General Counsel and Chief Privacy Officer.  It was a wild time, as LiveRamp's parent company Acxiom, her long-time client, had just sold its data business to IPG and LiveRamp began operating as a stand-alone public company headquartered in San Francisco.   Amy has seen a ton of change and has the incredible ability to connect to the immediately salient strategic business narrative and craft a legal growth plan to complement

Dennis Olle has a long standing love of the natural world and brings that passion to his work as well. He is a mentor to young lawyers and an attorney who has passion for things well beyond day to day life as a partner in a law firm.  He is a corporate lawyer with extensive background in capital formation, public and private offerings, and M&A transactions. He also counsels clients in a wide array of general corporate matters. But, there's so much more to Dennis' view of the practice of law...

Shira Anderson loves Buffy the Vampire Slayer. The TV show, NOT the movies to be clear. She's also a lawyer and public policy leader focused on global privacy and data policy @ Meta. Her background in international law is key in this role and past lives include stints as a PR and marketing manager, copy editor, and she served in the Israel Defense Forces Foreign Relations Unit.

Richy Glassberg knows someone you know. Well. He's affable to the moon. And that's a really important skill for a leader. Richy is yet another example of someone who came up in AdTech and has now embraced the privacy challenge. The DPBC podcast is a TechGC production.  Learn more about the TechGC's thriving in-house legal community at techgc.co Follow TechGC on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/techgc

Steve Blickensderfer has an amazing mustache - epic one!  But, he also leads privacy for public gaming company Krafton. Steve's role is to manage the global regulatory team across all laws impacting the video game industry.  The video game space is one of those sneaky challenging areas as it cuts across nearly every area of regulation.  Oh and also it has geo-political issues to handle too! The DPBC podcast is a TechGC production.  Learn more about the TechGC's thriving in-house legal community at techgc.co Follow TechGC on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/techgc

Anne Bradley is a builder of foundational privacy programs having done this with two major global brands, Nike and Hulu.  In addition to building, Anne has scaled these complex orgs and created lasting privacy team legacies.   The DPBC podcast is a TechGC production.  Learn more about the TechGC's thriving in-house legal community at techgc.co Follow TechGC on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/techgc

The Customer Data Platform (CDP) space has grown massively in the last 5 years.  CDPs often present different capabilities in different verticals with value props that vary.  But, in every use case privacy and data sit at the center.  And, BlueConic CEO Cory Munchbach has understood that for a long time going all the way back to her time as an analyst at Forrester.  She has seen the forest through the trees, understanding that if you intend to ingest and process personal data at scale - a privacy lens is critical.

Susan Rohol has worked in various privacy leadership roles at Warner for over 5 years and was with Nike leading Privacy, Data and IP Policy.  She has also worked on the Senate Judiciary Committee.  Susan brings a highly practical approach to incredibly complex problems.  And she couples this with deep legal knowledge, balance and sense of humor. The DPBC podcast is a TechGC production.  Learn more about the TechGC's thriving in-house legal community at techgc.co Follow TechGC on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/techgc

Julia Shullman is the most technical privacy lawyer you'll find.  She spent countless hours with tech teams at AppNexus, Xandr and TripleLift to become proficient in data flows and how technology fuels advertising.  Now with Coir and in her work as a Consultant she melds her technical skills and acumen for ever-shifting privacy laws to help companies. The DPBC podcast is a TechGC production.  Learn more about the TechGC's thriving in-house legal community at techgc.co Follow TechGC on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/techgc

Employment lawyer to DoorDash privacy lead. Not your typical path, but then again how many “typical” paths are there to anything? Adam Rivera has had a career that has spanned consumer goods, tech providers in the legal and news space, financial services and now at a leading local commerce and tech company. This variety has given him a broad privacy and legal frame that manifests as versatility. The DPBC podcast is a TechGC production. Learn more about the TechGC's thriving in-house legal community at techgc.co Follow TechGC on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/techgc

Andrew Woods has a POV. He's not going to lob legal advice over a fence and walk away. He will have a take and will be deeply engaged in the decision-making process. Andrew was a law firm associate, founder/GC then an adtech lawyer at Turn. Eventually he landed at Twitter and his role grew as the leader of the commercial legal for Twitter's revenue products. Recently he took the job as GC of PubMatic a publicly traded adtech platform. The DPBC podcast is a TechGC production. Learn more about the TechGC's thriving in-house legal community at techgc.co Follow TechGC on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/techgc

Mark Cockerill is a lawyer who gets right to the point. Frankly he doesn't have time to waste! He's a busy dad of 3 and the site lead for ServiceNow's active presence in Ireland, as well as an interest in American Football of all things. His current remit covers a broad array of legal issues - but he also ran ServiceNow's global privacy program for a number of years. The DPBC podcast is a TechGC production. Learn more about the TechGC's thriving in-house legal community at techgc.co Follow TechGC on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/techgc

Shirley Paley sees the big picture. She's a strategic GC and leader covering companies with varied legal needs. While her background is in IP she has a multifaceted legal leadership approach having served as GC at 2 very different companies. Prior to those GC roles she was instrumental in the growth and eventual acquisition of Demandware by Salesforce which became Commerce Cloud. Currently she's leading legal at Formlabs, one of the largest 3D printing companies. The DPBC podcast is a TechGC production. Learn more about the TechGC's thriving in-house legal community at https://www.techgc.co/ Follow Andy on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andy-dale-7705b83/ Follow TechGC on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/techgc

The original “collaborator” CPO is Todd Ruback. For years he has run a NYC based roundtable of top CPOs who can focus on real world privacy issues behind closed doors. Todd dove deep into AdTech in 2012 as CPO/GC of Evidon/Ghostery the formative website cookie tool. Since then Todd has led consulting groups at Promontory and now FTI. he DPBC podcast is a TechGC production. Learn more about the TechGC's thriving in-house legal community at https://www.techgc.co/ Follow Andy on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andy-dale-7705b83/ Follow TechGC on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/techgc

Daniel Barber founded DataGrail in 2018 after a successful run in tech sales and biz dev. Daniel came up in the early days of MarTech with Responsys, Datanyze, ToutApp and others. DataGrail solves data privacy challenges with a host of integrations and DSR flow management tools. Daniel recently announced that DataGrail raised a $45 Series C financing to propel further growth. The DPBC podcast is a TechGC production. Learn more about the TechGC's thriving in-house legal community at https://www.techgc.co/ Follow Andy on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andy-dale-7705b83/ Follow TechGC on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/techgc

We're joined by Omer Tene our friend from his IAPP days! Omer is one of the leading data protection law and policy practitioners in the world. Rarely does someone beat him to analysis of new laws or issues on Twitter. He's a must-follow and one of the top thinkers in our space! And he's got a great sense of humor to boot. The DPBC podcast is a TechGC production. Learn more about the TechGC's thriving in-house legal community at https://www.techgc.co/ Follow Andy on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andy-dale-7705b83/ Follow TechGC on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/techgc

Manas Mohapatra is one of those rare lawyers that can context shift quickly and not lose a step in legal and business analysis. He led the early days Privacy Program at Twitter after some time with the FTC and a law firm. Following Twitter he was CPO at Viacom navigating a massive, matrixed media conglomerate. Eventually Manas moved to BNY focusing on commercial, privacy and payments/blockchain which took him to the GC role he holds now. See what we mean?! Learn more about the community that helps General Counsels in their day to day, TechGC (https://www.techgc.co/) Follow Andy on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andy-dale-7705b83/ Follow TechGC on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/techgc

Andy & Pedro speak with Alexandra Ebert, a Responsible AI, synthetic data & privacy expert who serves as Chief Trust Officer at MOSTLY AI. As a member of the company's executive leadership team, she is engaged in public policy issues in the emerging field of synthetic data and Ethical AI and is responsible for engaging with the privacy community, with regulators, the media, and with customers. The DPBC podcast is a TechGC production.  Learn more about the TechGC's thriving in-house legal community at https://www.techgc.co/ Follow Andy on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andy-dale-7705b83/  Follow TechGC on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/techgc

Our guest is Victoria Beckman, long time privacy and cyber lawyer who has seen it all. She's now leading the Digital Crimes Americas Team at Microsoft. Learn more about the community that helps General Counsels in their day to day, TechGC (https://www.techgc.co/) Follow Andy on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andy-dale-7705b83/ Follow TechGC on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/techgc

Manuel Martinez-Herrera is GC and Exec sponsor of D&I at BetterCloud. He took BetterCloud through a recent acquisition by Vista Equity Partners. Manuel has been practicing law for more than 15 years including stints in Barcelona, Madrid, Buenos Aires, and New York. Before BetterCloud, Manuel held roles at Namely, MetLife and was an associate at White & Case. Manuel loves pencils, Roberto Bolaño novels, and Real Madrid. Learn more about the community that helps General Counsels in their day to day, TechGC (https://www.techgc.co/) Follow Andy on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andy-dale-7705b83/ Follow TechGC on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/techgc